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From: Tushar Patel <tpatel@ecpi.com>
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Subject: Problem with dial-in/dial-out togather.
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I am trying to use same serial port for dialin line and for the dialout
(fax). I am using "cuaa4" as dialout device and "ttyd4" as dialin device.
When I enabled the "ttyd4" entry in the "/etc/ttys" file,
ttyd4 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" dialin on
I saw the following described problem.
When I send the fax using "cuaa4" the fax goes through the first time
after I have turned on the modem. When I tried to send the fax again
then I get the message saying the cuaa4 device is busy. This problem
goes away when I turned the "ttyd4" entry off.
ttyd4 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" dialin off
BTW, I am running FreeBSD 2.0.5.
Has anybody seen any problem similar to this?
Any suggestion in solving this problem?
Any thing special I need to do after I send a fax to reinitialize the serial
port?
Thanks for taking time.
Tushar
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From: Nate Williams <nate@sri.MT.net>
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Tushar Patel writes:
> I am trying to use same serial port for dialin line and for the dialout
> (fax). I am using "cuaa4" as dialout device and "ttyd4" as dialin device.
>
> When I enabled the "ttyd4" entry in the "/etc/ttys" file,
>
> ttyd4 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" dialin on
>
> When I send the fax using "cuaa4" the fax goes through the first time
> after I have turned on the modem. When I tried to send the fax again
> then I get the message saying the cuaa4 device is busy.
Is your modem setup correctly to handle both incoming/outgoing calls?
I'm setup this way at home w/out problem, but I had to mess with the
modem with regards to the modem control signals. However, that was over
a year ago and I don't remember which ones. :(
Nate
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I was curious if anyone on this list would be interested in some tools that
are used to add/delete/modify users/dns. The whole thing is handled through
a web page so you can manage your users from anywhere with any browser. Also,
it's simple enough anyone can use it. I am going to be adding stuff for
problem tracking, and billing at some point. At the moment I was just writing
all the stuff for my own edification but it hit me that someone else may find
it useful. Basically you run a web server on a special port as root, and you
.htaccess everything underneath it with passwords. So it seems fairly safe.
I was thinking about trying to package it all up but only if anyone seemed
interested in it.
Matt
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I am having problem with my name server.
It used to work fine. Now I get following
error message.
named[23178] Lame delegation to '12.IN-ADDR.ARPA'
from [204.179.186.34] (server for '12.IN-ADDR.ARPA'
?) on query on name '243.233.222.12.in-addr.arpa'
I have problem when I connect to the machineand start looking
for the external names like "intel.com"I don't get any
responce.
I have the latest "named.root" file from INTERNIC.
Can you please help me?
Tha
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Matt Midboe wrote:
> I was curious if anyone on this list would be interested in some tools that
> are used to add/delete/modify users/dns.
This would be interesting, to let your less technical staff
take charge. I'm also working along the same lines, plus
some enhanced RADIUS accounting.
> I was thinking about trying to package it all up but only if anyone seemed
> interested in it.
That would be great for the FreeBSD community - how about making
it available for FTP, then we can build upon it and make
enhancements.
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Hello!
What multiport cards are you using for directly handling dialins -
or are you all using terminal servers. I am currently
using Cyclades under Linux with good results. Any recommendations?
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From: Nate Williams <nate@sri.MT.net>
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I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
etc.?
Thanks for any advice you can give,
Nate
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> I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
> could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
> on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
> another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
>
> We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
> Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
> have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
>
> What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
> etc.?
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give,
See http://www.etinc.com/... Dennis has a pretty decent product that looks
like it would handle most FR needs with ease.
... Joe
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On Feb 13, 12:12, Nate Williams wrote:
> Subject: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
> I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
> could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
> on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
> another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
>
> We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
> Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
> have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
>
> What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
> etc.?
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give,
>
>
>
> Nate
>-- End of excerpt from Nate Williams
So far my calculation for FR is:
A Frame Relay card:
ETinc.:
ET/5025 56K/64K $495
V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100
Frame Relay/X.25 $50
or
ET5025-16 56K/64K $695
V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100 (per port)
Frame Relay/X.25 $200
Dual Port Option $100
or
ET5025-25 T1 incl Frame Relay $1095
Dual Port Option $200
You need a CSU/DSU for this card, price for 56K/64K is about $250-$600, for
128K-1.5MB price is starting around $700 and up to $2000.
Or you take cards from SDL Comm, which have only a Frame Relay driver for BSDI
at the moment. But the cards are cheaper.
RISCom/N2s 56K/64K $490
RISCom/N2d dual port 56K/64K $590
RISCom/N2dds dual port with one CSU/DSU on board 56K/64K $650
RISCom/N2csu dual port with one T1 CSU/DSU on board something around $1100
Frame Relay option for BSDI $150
About monthly Frame Relay I can't say anything, but in California I would pay
about $275 for 128K
Ulf.
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>I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
>could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
>on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
>another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
>
>We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
>Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
>have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
>
>What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
>etc.?
>
>Thanks for any advice you can give,
How about a $645. card, and you can keep your box :-)
dennis
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From: Nate Williams <nate@sri.MT.net>
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> >I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
> >could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
> >on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
> >another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
> >
> >We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
> >Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
> >have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
> >
> >What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
> >etc.?
> >
> >Thanks for any advice you can give,
>
> How about a $645. card, and you can keep your box :-)
I just looked at your Web Page, and if I understand correctly that buys
me:
1) Sync. card
2) Watchdog timer
3) F.R. protocol
I'd still need to buy a CSU/DSU pair, correct? Also, can I buy a
CSU/DSU that does 56/64K now, but can be switched to 128K or T1 at a
later date? Will the card support both?
Nate
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Hey all,
Has anyone looked into writing a driver for the Hayes ESP cards?
http://www.hayes.com/esporder.htm
... Joe
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>On Feb 13, 12:12, Nate Williams wrote:
>> Subject: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
>> I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
>> could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
>> on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
>> another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
>>
>> We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
>> Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
>> have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
>>
>> What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
>> etc.?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice you can give,
>>
>>
>>
>> Nate
>>-- End of excerpt from Nate Williams
>
>So far my calculation for FR is:
>
>A Frame Relay card:
>
>ETinc.:
>
>ET/5025 56K/64K $495
>V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100
>Frame Relay/X.25 $50
>
>or
>
>ET5025-16 56K/64K $695
>V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100 (per port)
>Frame Relay/X.25 $200
>Dual Port Option $100
>
>or
>
>ET5025-25 T1 incl Frame Relay $1095
>Dual Port Option $200
>
>You need a CSU/DSU for this card, price for 56K/64K is about $250-$600, for
>128K-1.5MB price is starting around $700 and up to $2000.
>
>Or you take cards from SDL Comm, which have only a Frame Relay driver for BSDI
>at the moment. But the cards are cheaper.
>
>RISCom/N2s 56K/64K $490
>RISCom/N2d dual port 56K/64K $590
>RISCom/N2dds dual port with one CSU/DSU on board 56K/64K $650
>RISCom/N2csu dual port with one T1 CSU/DSU on board something around $1100
>Frame Relay option for BSDI $150
>
>About monthly Frame Relay I can't say anything, but in California I would pay
>about $275 for 128K
to clarify this....
Realize that you get software and support from BSDI (its their
software)....with our
product you buy the software (and get the support) from us.
see www.etinc.com/compare.htm for the "biased" poop.
BTW..we sell brand-name, high quality CSU/DSUs for (56/64k) 325. and 695. (T1)
and lesser quality ones (still better than an on-board CSU) for $190 (56k) and
$300. (T1....available any day now).
db
.
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On Feb 13, 19:20, dennis wrote:
> Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
> >On Feb 13, 12:12, Nate Williams wrote:
> >> Subject: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
> >> I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
> >> could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
> >> on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
> >> another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
> >>
> >> We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
> >> Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
> >> have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
> >>
> >> What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
> >> etc.?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice you can give,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>-- End of excerpt from Nate Williams
> >
> >So far my calculation for FR is:
> >
> >A Frame Relay card:
> >
> >ETinc.:
> >
> >ET/5025 56K/64K $495
> >V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100
> >Frame Relay/X.25 $50
> >
> >or
> >
> >ET5025-16 56K/64K $695
> >V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100 (per port)
> >Frame Relay/X.25 $200
> >Dual Port Option $100
> >
> >or
> >
> >ET5025-25 T1 incl Frame Relay $1095
> >Dual Port Option $200
> >
> >You need a CSU/DSU for this card, price for 56K/64K is about $250-$600, for
> >128K-1.5MB price is starting around $700 and up to $2000.
> >
> >Or you take cards from SDL Comm, which have only a Frame Relay driver for
BSDI
> >at the moment. But the cards are cheaper.
> >
> >RISCom/N2s 56K/64K $490
> >RISCom/N2d dual port 56K/64K $590
> >RISCom/N2dds dual port with one CSU/DSU on board 56K/64K $650
> >RISCom/N2csu dual port with one T1 CSU/DSU on board something around $1100
> >Frame Relay option for BSDI $150
> >
> >About monthly Frame Relay I can't say anything, but in California I would
pay
> >about $275 for 128K
>
> to clarify this....
>
> Realize that you get software and support from BSDI (its their
> software)....with our
> product you buy the software (and get the support) from us.
>
> see www.etinc.com/compare.htm for the "biased" poop.
>
>
> BTW..we sell brand-name, high quality CSU/DSUs for (56/64k) 325. and 695.
(T1)
> and lesser quality ones (still better than an on-board CSU) for $190 (56k)
and
> $300. (T1....available any day now).
>
>-- End of excerpt from dennis
Dennis,
kick your webmaster that he should update the prices ;-) On the web is still
$725 for T1. Look I have a price of $1100 from SDL Comm for a 2 port card with
CSU/DSU on board and the BSDI Frame Relay option. (Btw. they claim they are
better) Even if I take the smallest card from Etinc I have $495 (card) + $100
(V.35 option) + $50 (Frame Relay) + $695 (T1 CSU/DSU) = Total of $1340. With
only 1 port and a card there ETinc's web page is saying for 56K/64K (it is some
kind of confusing, to say 56K/64K but offer a T1 option). This $240 more then I
have from SDL Comm, but SDL has no FreeBSD driver.
I am trying at the moment to get $3000 together, so I can get me Frame Relay
(128K as it looks like at the moment). That is $1009 for PB, $500 for the
provider and rest for hardware I need.
Ulf.
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From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis)
Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
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>On Feb 13, 19:20, dennis wrote:
>> Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
>> >On Feb 13, 12:12, Nate Williams wrote:
>> >> Subject: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
>> >> I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I
>> >> could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use
>> >> on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying
>> >> another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever.
>> >>
>> >> We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in
>> >> Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we
>> >> have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo.
>> >>
>> >> What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment,
>> >> etc.?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any advice you can give,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nate
>> >>-- End of excerpt from Nate Williams
>> >
>> >So far my calculation for FR is:
>> >
>> >A Frame Relay card:
>> >
>> >ETinc.:
>> >
>> >ET/5025 56K/64K $495
>> >V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100
>> >Frame Relay/X.25 $50
>> >
>> >or
>> >
>> >ET5025-16 56K/64K $695
>> >V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100 (per port)
>> >Frame Relay/X.25 $200
>> >Dual Port Option $100
>> >
>> >or
>> >
>> >ET5025-25 T1 incl Frame Relay $1095
>> >Dual Port Option $200
>> >
>> >You need a CSU/DSU for this card, price for 56K/64K is about $250-$600, for
>> >128K-1.5MB price is starting around $700 and up to $2000.
>> >
>> >Or you take cards from SDL Comm, which have only a Frame Relay driver for
>BSDI
>> >at the moment. But the cards are cheaper.
>> >
>> >RISCom/N2s 56K/64K $490
>> >RISCom/N2d dual port 56K/64K $590
>> >RISCom/N2dds dual port with one CSU/DSU on board 56K/64K $650
>> >RISCom/N2csu dual port with one T1 CSU/DSU on board something around $1100
>> >Frame Relay option for BSDI $150
>> >
>> >About monthly Frame Relay I can't say anything, but in California I would
>pay
>> >about $275 for 128K
>>
>> to clarify this....
>>
>> Realize that you get software and support from BSDI (its their
>> software)....with our
>> product you buy the software (and get the support) from us.
>>
>> see www.etinc.com/compare.htm for the "biased" poop.
>>
>>
>> BTW..we sell brand-name, high quality CSU/DSUs for (56/64k) 325. and 695.
>(T1)
>> and lesser quality ones (still better than an on-board CSU) for $190 (56k)
>and
>> $300. (T1....available any day now).
>>
>>-- End of excerpt from dennis
>
>Dennis,
>
>kick your webmaster that he should update the prices ;-) On the web is still
>$725 for T1. Look I have a price of $1100 from SDL Comm for a 2 port card with
>CSU/DSU on board and the BSDI Frame Relay option. (Btw. they claim they are
>better) Even if I take the smallest card from Etinc I have $495 (card) + $100
>(V.35 option) + $50 (Frame Relay) + $695 (T1 CSU/DSU) = Total of $1340. With
>only 1 port and a card there ETinc's web page is saying for 56K/64K (it is some
>kind of confusing, to say 56K/64K but offer a T1 option). This $240 more then I
>have from SDL Comm, but SDL has no FreeBSD driver.
>
>I am trying at the moment to get $3000 together, so I can get me Frame Relay
>(128K as it looks like at the moment). That is $1009 for PB, $500 for the
>provider and rest for hardware I need.
I suspect that you've only read the pricelist and not the other 28 pages so
that you'd
know what you're buying.
$725. includes the V.35 cable....$695. without.
You wouldn't want to use the ET/5025 for T1, so for T1 it would be $995. +
$725.
for the first one, about 150 less for subsequent ones. You gotta pay for a
mercedes, man.
but you're gonna use it every day....get something good.
our 56/64k boards have RS-232 interfaces..You can try to run it at T1 if you
like. You
need V.35 or X.21 or EIA-530 to run T1, which is an add-on option. Our 56k
boards have
the same RISC processor as our T1 boards...theirs is a clunker. Our dual
port card
has 2 CPUs on it....so it costs extra.
The day that SDL has any product better than ours is the day that I retire.
First they dont even have a real protocol engine for FR.....just "wrapper
encapsulation".
A traceroute on their web site and "server" would suggest that they don't
even use their own products. .After 2 years in "beta" with their frame relay
its suddenly 'better" than ours... Hehehehehehehehehe, LOL......
Its your money...you get what you pay for...spend it as you like......You
can get a Yugo
for $250. Do you drive one? Quoting price only (as if all products are
created equal)
is irresponsible. You're gonna pay (how much?) a month and you're gonna scrimp
on your interface?
Now lets keep this off the lists 'cause we're just gonna make everyone
angry.....
db
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From: "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM>
Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
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> I am trying at the moment to get $3000 together, so I can get me Frame Relay
> (128K as it looks like at the moment). That is $1009 for PB, $500 for the
> provider and rest for hardware I need.
>
> Ulf.
You guys should also look at the relative cost of an external,
standalone Ascend Pipeline 50 LS56 router, which has an ethernet
interface and a 56K DDS leased line interface (with built-in CSU/DSU).
I'm using one of these things at home, and it works really, really
great. Its physically the same size as the Pipeline 50 ISDN router.
For T1 upgrade paths, you might also look at the newly announced
Pipeline 130 router, which I think has ISDN, 56K and T1 interfaces. I
don't know what it costs.
http://www.ascend.com
louie
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>Has anyone looked into writing a driver for the Hayes ESP cards?
No one has even reported using the one in -current ;-(.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Driver for Hayes ESP cards..
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/sys/i386/isa/sio.c:
revision 1.131
date: 1995/12/29 12:50:54; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +120 -1
Added support for the Hayes ESP serial card.
Submitted by: Sean Eric Fagan (sef@kithrup.com)
Based on code by John Vinopal (banshee@resort.com)
Cosmetic (I hope) changes by me (bde).
:-)
Jordan
> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone looked into writing a driver for the Hayes ESP cards?
>
> http://www.hayes.com/esporder.htm
>
> ... Joe
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I have a question about routing one Network from a remote HUB into an ISP.
We want to run a Fiber line from the remote HUB to our ISP, and let all the
machines on the HUB (some of which are connected to a Novell 3.1 server, some
not) access the internet with Winsock PPP software.
What sort of routing equipment, if any, do we need? Can we just chuck a
RisCOM router card in our ISP and leave it to that, or is this oing to involve
a full router box. Also, if we do the same thing on multiple remote sites,
would we be better off putting another box in our office to take all these
remotes in, then spit 'em back out to the inet?
You'll have to excuse my lack of knowledge, I'm not exactly a network guru..
<G>
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Subject: Re: Driver for Hayes ESP cards..
To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
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> >Has anyone looked into writing a driver for the Hayes ESP cards?
>
> No one has even reported using the one in -current ;-(.
Hi Bruce,
I wasn't aware there was one. I am supping an update now. I don't have one
of these cards, (yet?), but it seemed like an interesting offer. The Hayes
pricing still seems steep though.
Question: I expect the answer is "no" (I'll look at the sources shortly),
but do the changes actually use the ESP card in the ESP mode, or just in
16550-sorta-compat mode? I'd be delighted to hear "yes" :-)
Thanks as always,
... JG
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>Question: I expect the answer is "no" (I'll look at the sources shortly),
>but do the changes actually use the ESP card in the ESP mode, or just in
>16550-sorta-compat mode? I'd be delighted to hear "yes" :-)
It's supposed to give only 16550 compatibility mode with a 1K fifo. I
think the large fifo got lost in porting.
(FIFO_DMA_MODE | ... | FIFO_RX_MEDH) gets uselessly (?) written to the
fifo control register but com->fifo_image doesn't get initialized to
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>
>> I am trying at the moment to get $3000 together, so I can get me Frame Relay
>> (128K as it looks like at the moment). That is $1009 for PB, $500 for the
>> provider and rest for hardware I need.
>>
>> Ulf.
>
>You guys should also look at the relative cost of an external,
>standalone Ascend Pipeline 50 LS56 router, which has an ethernet
>interface and a 56K DDS leased line interface (with built-in CSU/DSU).
>
>I'm using one of these things at home, and it works really, really
>great. Its physically the same size as the Pipeline 50 ISDN router.
>
>For T1 upgrade paths, you might also look at the newly announced
>Pipeline 130 router, which I think has ISDN, 56K and T1 interfaces. I
>don't know what it costs.
>
eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
I add a T1
for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
A good rule of thumb: If you know un*x, use un*x....if you don't, use
something else.
db
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From: Sean Eric Fagan <sef@kithrup.com>
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>eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
>I add a T1
>for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
Can your Web or e-mail server boot up in 30 seconds or less?
Does your Web or e-mail server have NO moving parts?
Can your Web or e-mail server function without a keyboard, monitor, monitor
card, disk drive, floppy drive, etc?
Can you fit 10-15 of your Web or e-mail servers in the space taken up by a
standard large tower PC case?
Sean.
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Is there anyone working on RADIUS support for FreeBSD so that it can be
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From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis)
Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
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>>eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
>>I add a T1
>>for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
>
>Can your Web or e-mail server boot up in 30 seconds or less?
yes...maybe 32...
>
>Does your Web or e-mail server have NO moving parts?
>Can your Web or e-mail server function without a keyboard, monitor, monitor
>card, disk drive, floppy drive, etc?
This is pretty stupid.....because you still need a server....so the answer
is that
there are no ADDITIONAL moving parts....yes.
This moving parts argument really cracks me up....my novell server has been
up for 18months....... :-)
>Can you fit 10-15 of your Web or e-mail servers in the space taken
>up by standard large tower PC case?
Why would you do this when you could just buy a single router? If you dont have
room in your office for a PC then you are correct....otherwise you're not.
The bottom line is that an external router vs a card:
-adds a hop.
-routes with a much slower processor
-has fewer features
-is less expandable
-costs more
other than that....its a good idea.
dennis
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On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Sean Eric Fagan wrote:
> >eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
> >I add a T1
> >for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
>
> Can your Web or e-mail server boot up in 30 seconds or less?
No, but I've never seen one that does.
> Does your Web or e-mail server have NO moving parts?
No, but I've never seen one that does.
> Can your Web or e-mail server function without a keyboard, monitor, monitor
> card, disk drive, floppy drive, etc?
No, but I've never seen one that does.
> Can you fit 10-15 of your Web or e-mail servers in the space taken up by a
> standard large tower PC case?
Probably, not but I don't use any non-rackmount equipment.
Tom
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To: sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan)
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>
> >eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
> >I add a T1
> >for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
>
> Can your Web or e-mail server boot up in 30 seconds or less?
yes
> Does your Web or e-mail server have NO moving parts?
no
> Can your Web or e-mail server function without a keyboard, monitor, monitor
> card, disk drive, floppy drive, etc?
yes, actually it could
> Can you fit 10-15 of your Web or e-mail servers in the space taken up by a
> standard large tower PC case?
maybe.
Kids, kids. Quit the bickering. We all know that FreeBSD sucks and Linux
rules. This is the same argument, just different specifics.
A FreeBSD based router has many advantages. Standard PC parts. Same OS you
use for everything else. Unified management, backup, monitoring strategies.
Inexpensive. You get the source. Many other advantages.
A dedicated (Cisco, etc) router has many advantages. No moving parts.
Generally tends to be optimized for the job. More specialized networking
abilities. Many other advantages.
But NEITHER is the right choice for ALL situations. I've been served well
by my FreeBSD-based routers. I'm well aware of people who have been served
well by Cisco routers. Look for the solution that gets the job done in the
most appropriate fashion in your environment, and then do it.
... Joe
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On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, dennis wrote:
> >You guys should also look at the relative cost of an external,
> >standalone Ascend Pipeline 50 LS56 router, which has an ethernet
> >interface and a 56K DDS leased line interface (with built-in CSU/DSU).
> >I'm using one of these things at home, and it works really, really
> >great. Its physically the same size as the Pipeline 50 ISDN router.
> >For T1 upgrade paths, you might also look at the newly announced
> >Pipeline 130 router, which I think has ISDN, 56K and T1 interfaces. I
> >don't know what it costs.
>
> eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
"Real" routers can be real firewalls, and they have built in ethernet,
> I add a T1
> for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
Usually built in T-1 and up.
> A good rule of thumb: If you know un*x, use un*x....if you don't, use
> something else.
Not necessarily.
But no they can't run your e-mail and webpages -- those should be on
another computer anyway.
- Steve
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>But no they can't run your e-mail and webpages -- those should be on
>another computer anyway.
porque? sometimes this is true...but anyone using a small, desktop
router could most likely benefit functionally, performance and dollar-wise
with a single solution.
db
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One thing to keep in mind is that PCs also come in 4"x4"x4" cubes that
are expandible via PC-104 bus cards. Something like this could easily
stack like firewood to fill a small space in little time. Put a
ramdisk or flashram card inot this mix, run FreeBSD on it and you have
a nice little box. I believe that these boxes are 100% PC compatible,
but am not 100% positive. They are showing up in places like the
Circuit Cellar magazine. I don't hink you'll find a pentium on one of
these boxes, but I recall seeing 386 and 486 in them.
So not all PC's are what you think they are :-)
Warner
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> >eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
> >I add a T1
> >for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
>
> Can your Web or e-mail server boot up in 30 seconds or less?
IF you have a swap area that is the size of usable swap *plus* the
size of memory
*AND* You add state save/restore patches,
THEN the answer is 15-20 seconds.
The answer is about 30-40 seconds for an install, if the install
calculates (and you immediately accept) reasonable minimal config
defaults.
> Does your Web or e-mail server have NO moving parts?
Do fans count? 8-).
> Can your Web or e-mail server function without a keyboard, monitor, monitor
> card, disk drive, floppy drive, etc?
Does "etc." include Flash-ATA? 8-).
> Can you fit 10-15 of your Web or e-mail servers in the space taken up by a
> standard large tower PC case?
Do portables count? You pay a premium for density...
Terry Lambert
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Ok, ok, now some more news about Frame Relay :)
The company Sourcecom has a ISA/EISA card which which just get the power from
the PC (as far I can see this from their web page). It has a RJ45 ethernet and
a V.35 port up to T1. Price for this card is $679 at Datacom Warehouse. PCI
card version for $859.
It supports Frame Relay (RFC1490, Q.920, Q.921 & Q.922, Annex 'D & LMI, up to
24 PVC's), PPP (LCP (RFC1661), IPCP (RFC1332), IPXCP (RFC1552), BNCP (RFC1638),
HDLC. Many software feature. Take a look at http://www.sourcecom.com/.
And Ascend sells now the Pipeline 130, with 1 Ethernet port, 1 WAN port with T1
CSU/DSU and 1 ISDN BRI port. List price $1995.
Ulf.
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Subject: Re: RADIUS
To: andrew@nash.pubnix.net (Andrew Webster)
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Andrew Webster wrote:
> Is there anyone working on RADIUS support for FreeBSD so that it can be
> used as a smart terminal server?
Yes, I am going to put some work into this.
I already have the Livingston radiusd with the SLIP/CSLIP/PPP
patches installed, plus some other patches of my own. This
already works with a Portmaster that I borrowed, for reference
purposes.
I also have the RADIUS client login for Linux, and will study how it
can be nicely injected into the BSD login - replacing
the getpwent() call with a RADIUS authentication request. This Linux
code does not support RADIUS accounting; I plan to put that in
by taking it backwards from the server code.
Along this line, I previously asked for suggestions on good
multiport cards to use for FreeBSD. I also plan to stick a
sync serial board to make the system a one-box solution
for ISPs.
I would appreciate advice on how to use such a system where
user accounts are divided between different boxes. Would
NIS/NIS+ do it? Or perhaps, a distributed RADIUS system
like in the (complicated) Merit radiusd?
Any suggestions or code are appreciated!
--
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To: map@iphil.net (Miguel A.L. Paraz)
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> Andrew Webster wrote:
>
>
> > Is there anyone working on RADIUS support for FreeBSD so that it can be
> > used as a smart terminal server?
>
> Yes, I am going to put some work into this.
>
> Any suggestions or code are appreciated!
The Houston (Tx, USA) computer club's Internet system is running a
radiusd that I have hacked on. It provides access classes via the CLASS
field in the FreeBSD user database (Major classes are RLOGIN, SLIP, CSLIP,
PPP but specific users can be added to the /etc/raddb/users file for
dedicated links, demos w/out access to the Unix box, etc) and each class
only takes one entry in the /etc/raddb/users file (the lookup in this file
is done on the CLASS field, not the login name) allowing us to completely
ignore the the /etc/raddb/users file when creating accounts ~ all we do is
set the class field to RLOGIN, SLIP, CSLIP, or PPP and the user gets that
type of connection.
The user also has a shell account that (s)he can telnet into via
their IP connection or from a remote host to access Unix services. We
have also hacked chpass(1) to take a -c option and allow the user to
change their class at will.
The radiusd from Livingston is quite hackable, and you an do just
about anything with it you want.
We are running four 30 line portmasters with a total of 120 lines,
and keep all the user accounts (1400+) on one FreeBSD box ~ most users
don't touch it. It's also our web (http://hal-pc.org) server and mail
server. We have a separate box for news. We love FreeBSD....
If there is intrest in this, I'll spend some time making it into
a package/port.
--
X, windows done right...
Jeff Hupp <Jhupp@gensys.com> <http://gensys.com>
PGP Public Key available at http://gensys.com or on the key servers
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From: Brian Tao <taob@io.org>
To: Rashid Karimov <rashid@rk.ios.com>
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On Wed, 15 Feb 1995, Rashid Karimov wrote:
> > Have you tried renumbering your active file to see if that fixes
> > the problem? See the ctlinnd command.
>
> yes , it should solve the problem ... Good advice is to
> get and read thru the INN FAQ - it's absolutely the Best
> FAQ IMHO.
Yep, people aren't kidding when they say that. Between the FAQ
and the Install.[12] documentation with inn-1.4unoff3, I was able to
get my very first large-scale INN server running in about an hour
after unpacking the source. Within a day, I was running crossfeeds
with 4 other sites. For something as complex as Usenet news
administration, it was dead simple to setup.
> what is expirience with running FreeBSD PCs as INND
> servers with full news feed ? Is it capable of handling
> the load ? Any IO/CPU limitations ?
I have the same questions, since I'm just starting out here. My
server will be going into full production mode within a few days (it's
been running with about a dozen beta testers for a week now).
> I run P6-200 here as news server - runs just fine, load
> averages are ~0.3-0.5 , readers peak at ~200-300, total
> of ~23.000 newsgroups in active, 3 days expire average,
> 370.000 - 420.000 inodes used in /usr/spool/uucp.
P133, 128 megabytes RAM, 3 NCR53c810 controllers and nine disks
to be split up thusly (I don't have all the controllers plugged in
yet):
sd0 1GB /, /usr, /var, swap
sd1 2GB /usr/local/news
sd2 2GB /var/spool/news/alt
sd10 2GB /var/spool/news, swap
sd11 2GB /var/spool/news/over.db
sd12 2GB /var/spool/news/out.going, /var/spool/uucp
sd20 2GB /var/spool/news/comp, /var/spool/news/soc, swap
sd21 2GB /var/spool/news/misc, /var/spool/news/rec
sd22 4GB /var/spool/news/alt/binaries
At the moment, I have the news spool spread over two 2GB Quantum
Atlas drives and a 4GB Quantum Grand Prix, running off a single
Buslogics BT-946C controller. It receives about 120,000 articles a
day (900MB or so), with 20000 groups in the active file. Only about
7000 of those actually have articles in them so far. ;-)
I have the history database, the overview files and the
alt.binaries spool on a single disk on the current machine, and that
disk is getting hit pretty hard according to iostat. That's being
split across three spindles and three controllers in the production
machine, so disk I/O should not be a problem.
A delayed expire run takes less than 5 minutes to generate the
list of articles to delete, which fastrm processes in about 30
minutes. I expect that to rise once we get a hundred readers on it at
once, and more articles to expire.
It seems INN is only spooling about 2 articles per second, peaking
at around 5/sec for very short periods of time. Perhaps this will
improve once I'm using multiple controllers and more disks?
--
Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org)
Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc.
"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"
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> One thing to keep in mind is that PCs also come in 4"x4"x4" cubes that
> are expandible via PC-104 bus cards. Something like this could easily
> stack like firewood to fill a small space in little time. Put a
> ramdisk or flashram card inot this mix, run FreeBSD on it and you have
> a nice little box. I believe that these boxes are 100% PC compatible,
> but am not 100% positive. They are showing up in places like the
> Circuit Cellar magazine. I don't hink you'll find a pentium on one of
> these boxes, but I recall seeing 386 and 486 in them.
These are the absolute craze in automation and industrial environments.
You can get P5s, I've even seen a P6 prerelease.
Mostly you get a cpu card with all the std: ram sockets, 2s1p, 2ide, 1fd
and a pc/104 and a ISA connector. You can then either put them in
a passive ISA bus, or use the PC/104 or both.
You can stack a 16 port server into no space with these.
I have personally seen one 19" rack unit about 8" high, contain a server
(4G/32G/P5/90) and four clients (0G/16M/486/66) where each of the
clients had 32 serial ports. Inside the box was a 1' ethernet, and
the server had a second ethernet to "the big world".
The point about this, in the words of the owner: "The users run no
processes on the server. It's almost impossible to hack it. They
can try to hack the client, but it will reboot if it think it has
been hacked, and on a reboot everything is rebuilt from the servers
R/O copy so it's a shortlived glory."
Of course the modems took up 10 times as much space...
--
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Subject: Re: Building a large FreeBSD news server
To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao)
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Hi again :),
>
> > what is expirience with running FreeBSD PCs as INND
> > servers with full news feed ? Is it capable of handling
> > the load ? Any IO/CPU limitations ?
>
> I have the same questions, since I'm just starting out here. My
> server will be going into full production mode within a few days (it's
> been running with about a dozen beta testers for a week now).
>
> > I run P6-200 here as news server - runs just fine, load
> > averages are ~0.3-0.5 , readers peak at ~200-300, total
> > of ~23.000 newsgroups in active, 3 days expire average,
> > 370.000 - 420.000 inodes used in /usr/spool/uucp.
>
> P133, 128 megabytes RAM, 3 NCR53c810 controllers and nine disks
> to be split up thusly (I don't have all the controllers plugged in
> yet):
> At the moment, I have the news spool spread over two 2GB Quantum
> Atlas drives and a 4GB Quantum Grand Prix, running off a single
> Buslogics BT-946C controller. It receives about 120,000 articles a
> day (900MB or so), with 20000 groups in the active file. Only about
> 7000 of those actually have articles in them so far. ;-)
>
> I have the history database, the overview files and the
> alt.binaries spool on a single disk on the current machine, and that
> disk is getting hit pretty hard according to iostat. That's being
> split across three spindles and three controllers in the production
> machine, so disk I/O should not be a problem.
>
> A delayed expire run takes less than 5 minutes to generate the
> list of articles to delete, which fastrm processes in about 30
> minutes. I expect that to rise once we get a hundred readers on it at
> once, and more articles to expire.
>
> It seems INN is only spooling about 2 articles per second, peaking
> at around 5/sec for very short periods of time. Perhaps this will
> improve once I'm using multiple controllers and more disks?
It's interesting thing , actually ... I was trying to get some
estimates on articles/sec rate. Folx at n.s.n say that it
should indeed peak at 5 arts/sec for a decent feed, so I decided
to check what an ftp rate would be on a local 10Mb LAN.
I've tried it on FreeBSD <> FreeBSD ( P166 <> P6-200)
Sun20 <> FreeBSD
Sun20 <> Sun10
LocalFreeBSD <> LocalFreeBSD
with 100 small files(2K) with prompt off.
Guess what !
It was steady (!!!) 100 files in 20 secs , or ~5 files/sec
in ALL CASES.
I've tried to do ftp to the same PC from 2 different machines
at the same time. It took ~23 sec to upload 200 files (100
from each PC).
So it looks like for small articles/multiple feeds (and fast
links :) the upper limit could be bigger than 5art/sec ( putting
aside the difference " ftp versus nntp").
Other thing is that on th eame link it will take ~0.25 sec
to transfer single 200K file , and even less if the thing
is compressed , so batched newsfeed looks like reasonable
alternative, especially for a stub news server, when one
knows for sure that there won't be no "blanks" in the batch -
I mean the articles the site already has.
With multiple feeds the effective loss of the BW will be much
bigger , especially if the server ( say, small ISP) will provide
transit for the newsfeed from one major peer to another.
Probably it has sense to inject only articles which were originated
locally , but it's often not the point when all peers are
equally interested in getting full newsfeed from each other trying
to get news articles as fast as possible.
Rashid
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Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:20:21 +0800 (GMT+0800)
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Warner Losh wrote:
> Put a ramdisk or flashram card inot this mix, run FreeBSD on it and you have
> a nice little box.
Would you know how to make FreeBSD boot from flash?
It would be great for making terminal server/router boxes, with
no fear of hard disk crashes...
--
miguel a.l. paraz -- map@iphil.net -- http://www.iphil.net/user/map/
iphil communications, makati city, philippines
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From: Andrew Webster <andrew@fortress.org>
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To: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <map@iphil.net>
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On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Miguel A.L. Paraz wrote:
> Andrew Webster wrote:
>
>
> > Is there anyone working on RADIUS support for FreeBSD so that it can be
> > used as a smart terminal server?
>
> Yes, I am going to put some work into this.
>
> I already have the Livingston radiusd with the SLIP/CSLIP/PPP
> patches installed, plus some other patches of my own. This
> already works with a Portmaster that I borrowed, for reference
> purposes.
>
> I also have the RADIUS client login for Linux, and will study how it
> can be nicely injected into the BSD login - replacing
> the getpwent() call with a RADIUS authentication request. This Linux
> code does not support RADIUS accounting; I plan to put that in
> by taking it backwards from the server code.
Sounds like you are ahead of the game with the work you've already done!
>
> Along this line, I previously asked for suggestions on good
> multiport cards to use for FreeBSD. I also plan to stick a
> sync serial board to make the system a one-box solution
> for ISPs.
I use a pair of Digipoard PC/8 cards with 16550uarts, ports are running
at 38400 and 57600 on a P-100 system which is acting as a new server and
virtual host box for PubNIX Montreal.
Works great. I am interested in RADIUS as a method to try and get the
user database under one roof.
> I would appreciate advice on how to use such a system where
> user accounts are divided between different boxes. Would
> NIS/NIS+ do it? Or perhaps, a distributed RADIUS system
> like in the (complicated) Merit radiusd?
You can use NIS systems for this and have a radius "server" on some
corner of your network. I haven't had much luck with NIS on freebsd. It
works about 90%. I may have overlooked something during the setup, but
users can't change their passwords when runnning NIS!
Andrew Webster - andrew@pubnix.net - http://www.pubnix.net
PubNIX Montreal - Connected to the world - Branche au monde
514-990-5911 - P.O. Box 147, Cote St-Luc, Quebec, H4V 2Y3
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Subject: Re: RADIUS
To: map@iphil.net (Miguel A.L. Paraz)
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According to Miguel A.L. Paraz:
>
> I would appreciate advice on how to use such a system where
> user accounts are divided between different boxes. Would
> NIS/NIS+ do it? Or perhaps, a distributed RADIUS system
> like in the (complicated) Merit radiusd?
I would advise against NIS/NIS+/YP due to the security concerns
therein. I would advise in favor of the distributed (proxy)
approach used by Merit RADIUS (but some may say I'm biased...) :-)
I, of course, would never say that, but you may, if you like. ;^)
Regards,
web...
--
William Bulley, N8NXN Senior Systems Research Programmer
Merit Network Inc. Domain: web@merit.edu
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To: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <map@iphil.net>
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: Would you know how to make FreeBSD boot from flash?
: It would be great for making terminal server/router boxes, with
: no fear of hard disk crashes...
No. I've never tried it.
Warner
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From: Brian Tao <taob@io.org>
To: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <map@iphil.net>
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On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Miguel A.L. Paraz wrote:
>
> Brian Tao wrote:
>
> > 2:05AM up 8 days, 12:13, 132 users, load averages: 2.84, 3.29, 4.05
>
> Wow! Care to share your system configuration, kernel and
> system and tuning tricks, et cetera?
There's nothing extraordinary about the hardware or the kernel.
This is an example of what FreeBSD can do "out of the box", which is
rather impressive (at least to me ;-) ).
Hardware is a 133-MHz Pentium system, ASUS P/I-P55TP4XEG
motherboard with 512K pipeline burst cache and 128M of RAM. Tip: if
you're spending this kind of money on a system, go out and buy PCI
versions of everything! Our supplier shipped the systems with a cheap
Trident PCI VGA card, an NCR53c810 SCSI controller, and an SMC
EtherPower 9332 10/100Mbps NIC. The EtherPower 8432 (I think that's
the number, it's the 10Mbps-only version) also works well.
Hardware installation was literally "plug and play". The PCI
firmware sorts out all the nastiness normally associated with ISA
peripherals. IRQ's are settable through the BIOS setup screen (the
defaults worked for me) and the 2.1.0-R install kernel correctly
identified all the pieces without prior fiddling with jumpers and
DOS-based config utilities. :)
Total cost of the system came to around C$6000, or around US$4500.
The killer is the RAM, of course (C$4200 for four 60ns 32MB SIMM's),
but the software was free. :) That works out to around US$45 per
user, if you limit yourself to 100 online at a time.
At 100+ interactive users, I've found that the bottleneck is at
the 10Mbps Ethernet interface, not the CPU or memory. With that many
users typing away at their terminals, de0 is sending and receiving 400
to 500 packets per second. Home directories are NFS mounted, which
doesn't help matters. This results in lagged keyboard response and
screen updates. Putting the machine on a 100Mbps port may eliminate
this bottleneck. Swap usage hovers around 10 to 20% and the CPU
doesn't appear to be working particularly hard with 100+ users. I'd
guess that it can handle 150 interactive users comfortably, bringing
the costs down to a mere US$30 per user.
More tips... don't forget to configure and MAKEDEV all 256 pty's!
I let my users run 'screen' here, and it was configured at compile
time to use pty[PQRS] (the upper 128 pty's) so that [pt]ty[pqrs] were
available for telnetd and rlogind. Also, be sure to have enough mbufs
around to avoid locking up the network on that machine if they ever
run out. This happened once with NMBCLUSTERS=2048, so now I have it
set to 4096. I've seen the high-water mark hit 1952 clusters since
then.
I've included the dmesg output and kernel config file below. As I
said, there isn't anything out of the ordinary with the configuration.
All the options are documented or well-known. We have two such
systems, with a third one arriving today (whee!). A CNAME shuffle
record in our DNS is used to spread the user load around (trying an
"nslookup shell.io.org"). Although I might be able to get away with
having only a single login server, having more available gives me the
flexibility to take one of them down for maintenance, knowing the
remaining ones will be able to handle the load. All run stock
2.1.0-RELEASE with no additional patches.
>>>>>
FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Dec 30 14:19:27 EST 1995
taob@flinch.io.org:/src/2.1.0-RELEASE/sys/compile/SHELL
CPU: 133-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU)
Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52b Stepping=11
Features=0x1bf<FPU,VME,PSE,MCE,CX8,APIC>
real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes)
avail memory = 130035712 (126988K bytes)
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
vt0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard
vt0: ega, mono, 8 scr, mf2-kbd, [R3.20-b24]
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: NEC 72065B
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
Probing for devices on the PCI bus:
chip0 <Intel 82437 (Triton)> rev 2 on pci0:0
chip1 <Intel 82371 (Triton)> rev 2 on pci0:7
ncr0 <ncr 53c810 scsi> rev 2 int a irq 10 on pci0:11
ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle
(ncr0:1:0): "QUANTUM FIREBALL1080S 1Q09" type 0 fixed SCSI 2
sd0(ncr0:1:0): Direct-Access
sd0(ncr0:1:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8.
1042MB (2134305 512 byte sectors)
sd0(ncr0:1:0): with 3835 cyls, 4 heads, and an average 139 sectors/track
de0 <Digital DC21140 Fast Ethernet> rev 18 int a irq 11 on pci0:12
de0: DC21140 [10-100Mb/s] pass 1.2 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:80:46:c8
de0: enabling 10baseT UTP port
machine "i386"
cpu "I586_CPU"
ident CABAL
maxusers 128
options INET
options FFS
options NFS
options MSDOSFS
options PROCFS
options QUOTA
options "COMPAT_43"
options "SCSI_DELAY=5"
options SCSIDEBUG
options SCSI_REPORT_GEOMETRY
options UCONSOLE
options SYSVSHM
options SYSVSEM
options SYSVMSG
options PROBE_VERBOSE
options "NMBCLUSTERS=4096"
options "MAXMEM=131072"
config kernel root on sd0
controller isa0
controller pci0
controller ncr0
controller scbus0
device sd0
controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr
disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0
device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint
options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210"
device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr
device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr
device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr
device de0
pseudo-device loop
pseudo-device ether
pseudo-device log
pseudo-device pty 256
pseudo-device bpfilter 4
--
Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org)
Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc.
"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"
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>One thing to keep in mind is that PCs also come in 4"x4"x4" cubes that
>are expandible via PC-104 bus cards. Something like this could easily
>stack like firewood to fill a small space in little time. Put a
>ramdisk or flashram card inot this mix, run FreeBSD on it and you have
>a nice little box. I believe that these boxes are 100% PC compatible,
>but am not 100% positive. They are showing up in places like the
>Circuit Cellar magazine. I don't hink you'll find a pentium on one of
>these boxes, but I recall seeing 386 and 486 in them.
>
The real point here is that many "routers" are just re-packaged PCs...the
"smaller is better" argument applies if you're willing to make the necessary
trade-offs. Frankly, I'd rather have the benefits of a good sized hard drive and
expandabiltiy than to save a cubic foot of space. Rememberr that your talking
about 2 very different kinds of users....service providers and end users. From
an end users perspective there is no way that any stand-alone router can give
me more utility than my single-box freebsd server/router/gateway. Even if
service
providers use the "big net rack mount" type units in your facility, they can
score
points with their customers by giving them a rather impressive server/router
solution. And with protocols like Frame relay there are 50-100 times the
number of
end user units than there are service provider units.
dennis
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Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:53:37 -0600 (CST)
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> : Would you know how to make FreeBSD boot from flash?
> : It would be great for making terminal server/router boxes, with
> : no fear of hard disk crashes...
>
> No. I've never tried it.
I think in the early days of FreeBSD, somebody down at UWM was trying to
make it ROM-able. I'd check with Jim Lowe <james@cs.uwm.edu> or Jim Jegers
(current address unknown, previously <jimj@cs.uwm.edu>). There was a thread
a really long time ago on -hackers about this, but I can't seem to find a
mailing list archive anywhere.
... JG
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I've a working version of Radius 1.16 with bin and complete source tree
ftp to ftp.cdrom.com in the incomming directory (unless is being move
to differnet directory).
Wes
ICON
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> From owner-freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Thu Feb 15 00:44:15 1996
> From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <map@iphil.net>
> Message-Id: <199602150444.MAA08392@marikit.iphil.net>
> Subject: Re: RADIUS
> To: andrew@nash.pubnix.net (Andrew Webster)
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> Andrew Webster wrote:
>
>
> > Is there anyone working on RADIUS support for FreeBSD so that it can be
> > used as a smart terminal server?
>
> Yes, I am going to put some work into this.
>
> I already have the Livingston radiusd with the SLIP/CSLIP/PPP
> patches installed, plus some other patches of my own. This
> already works with a Portmaster that I borrowed, for reference
> purposes.
>
> I also have the RADIUS client login for Linux, and will study how it
> can be nicely injected into the BSD login - replacing
> the getpwent() call with a RADIUS authentication request. This Linux
> code does not support RADIUS accounting; I plan to put that in
> by taking it backwards from the server code.
>
> Along this line, I previously asked for suggestions on good
> multiport cards to use for FreeBSD. I also plan to stick a
> sync serial board to make the system a one-box solution
> for ISPs.
>
> I would appreciate advice on how to use such a system where
> user accounts are divided between different boxes. Would
> NIS/NIS+ do it? Or perhaps, a distributed RADIUS system
> like in the (complicated) Merit radiusd?
>
> Any suggestions or code are appreciated!
> --
> miguel a.l. paraz -- map@iphil.net -- http://www.iphil.net/user/map/
> iphil communications, makati city, philippines
>
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On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Miguel A.L. Paraz wrote:
> Along this line, I previously asked for suggestions on good
> multiport cards to use for FreeBSD. I also plan to stick a
> sync serial board to make the system a one-box solution
> for ISPs.
Bad idea except for tiny startups or in-house corporate systems.
> I would appreciate advice on how to use such a system where
> user accounts are divided between different boxes. Would
> NIS/NIS+ do it? Or perhaps, a distributed RADIUS system
> like in the (complicated) Merit radiusd?
Start by making the FreeBSD terminal server into a terminal server. That
is to say, no accounts on it at all except root. Strip just about
everything out of /etc/inetd.conf. Make it so that a successful RADIUS
login either gives a PPP or SLIP session, or else it rlogins to another
box which is the shell/mail server and has the user accounts. You can
handle hundreds of shell accounts on one box. If they are only POP email
you can probably handle thousands. But you would not want to put more
than 32 lines on a single FreeBSD terminal server.
NIS is a bad idea since it has too many security holes.
Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022
Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049
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We have a customer who has a Novell network, and their users want to receive
Internet mail from us. This customer won't have a static IP address. They just
want to dial in and fetch mail from us, similar to the way our normal dialup
customers do (e.g. using POP).
The problem is, they want a single machine on their end to basically dial us
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Any ideas?
-- Bruce
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You could find them an SMTP/POP server for Novell Networks. I'm sure
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Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp)
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Poul-Henning Kamp stands accused of saying:
>
> > One thing to keep in mind is that PCs also come in 4"x4"x4" cubes that
> > are expandible via PC-104 bus cards. Something like this could easily
> > stack like firewood to fill a small space in little time. Put a
> > ramdisk or flashram card inot this mix, run FreeBSD on it and you have
> > a nice little box. I believe that these boxes are 100% PC compatible,
> > but am not 100% positive. They are showing up in places like the
> > Circuit Cellar magazine. I don't hink you'll find a pentium on one of
> > these boxes, but I recall seeing 386 and 486 in them.
>
> These are the absolute craze in automation and industrial environments.
> You can get P5s, I've even seen a P6 prerelease.
A couple of problems with these units :
Co$t (Especially for anything more than a 486DLC
Heat dissipation
PC-104 is ISA on a different connector
Having said that, if space is critical, they're a great way to go.
> Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team.
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On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Bruce Bauman wrote:
> We have a customer who has a Novell network, and their users want to receive
> Internet mail from us. This customer won't have a static IP address. They just
> want to dial in and fetch mail from us, similar to the way our normal dialup
> customers do (e.g. using POP).
>
> The problem is, they want a single machine on their end to basically dial us
> up and snarf the mail for all of their users, and feed back the outgoing
> mail to us for eventual delivery on the Internet. We want a simple solution.
Make a sendmail database that forwards mail for all of their users to one
account. But warn them that they will need to sort the mail on their end
and if it is done manually, then their employees email will not be
confidential any more, just like a fax machine.
Better if you find out what corporate email system they are using and
talk to local VAR's about setting up some sort of gateway, maybe using UUCP.
Or if they would put a FreeBSD box on their network (an old 386 perhaps)
you could configure it to run a dialin script that makes a PPP connection
and then runs POPMAIL for each usera nd deposits each user's email in a
separate mailbox on the FreeBSD machine. Then they can just run Eudora or
Pegasus on each desktop and the FreeBSD box will be acting as their mail
server. Of course, this requires all machines to be running a TCP/IP
stack. This is unlikely if they have Novell 3.x
Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022
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Bruce Bauman writes:
>
> We have a customer who has a Novell network, and their users want to
> receive Internet mail from us. This customer won't have a static IP
> address. They just want to dial in and fetch mail from us, similar to
> the way our normal dialup customers do (e.g. using POP).
>
> The problem is, they want a single machine on their end to basically
> dial us up and snarf the mail for all of their users, and feed back
> the outgoing mail to us for eventual delivery on the Internet. We want
> a simple solution.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> -- Bruce
This is a perfect (and traditional) use for UUCP. On their end, if
they don't have a Unix machine, they can run UUPC (the dos version of
UUCP).
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From: "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM>
Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
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> >
> >> I am trying at the moment to get $3000 together, so I can get me Frame Relay
> >> (128K as it looks like at the moment). That is $1009 for PB, $500 for the
> >> provider and rest for hardware I need.
> >>
> >> Ulf.
> >
> >You guys should also look at the relative cost of an external,
> >standalone Ascend Pipeline 50 LS56 router, which has an ethernet
> >interface and a 56K DDS leased line interface (with built-in CSU/DSU).
> >
> >I'm using one of these things at home, and it works really, really
> >great. Its physically the same size as the Pipeline 50 ISDN router.
> >
> >For T1 upgrade paths, you might also look at the newly announced
> >Pipeline 130 router, which I think has ISDN, 56K and T1 interfaces. I
> >don't know what it costs.
> >
>
> eeee-gads...why? Can it by my firewall? can I add an ethernet for $60.? Can
> I add a T1
> for $200? Can it serve my Web pages? can it be my E-mail server?
On the other hand, your Internet gateway doesn't have to fsck when the
power fails and comes back again. It doesn't serve web pages, or run
SMTP.. it does actually route packets pretty well.
To each his own.. My PL50 works really well, and takes up less space
than the ZyXEL modem I used to use. It doesn't have moving parts, and
doesn't need an external CSU/DSU.
>
> A good rule of thumb: If you know un*x, use un*x....if you don't, use
> something else.
>
Yes, it's true that if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything
looks like a nail. That's no excuse not to get the 'right' tool for
the job.
louie
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Louis writes.....
>On the other hand, your Internet gateway doesn't have to fsck when the
>power fails and comes back again. It doesn't serve web pages, or run
>SMTP.. it does actually route packets pretty well.
You're missing the point...you're comparing a router to a host/router, and
I'm comparing a card to a router box.. No....my card doesnt have
any moving parts either. There are substantial performance and functional
advantages to having a common code solution between router and server.
What's really funny is that you contradict yourself in your next "argument"
>
>To each his own.. My PL50 works really well, and takes up less space
>than the ZyXEL modem I used to use. It doesn't have moving parts, and
>doesn't need an external CSU/DSU.
My argument is to put a router INTO my server...your argument of putting the
CSU into the router is similar, except that you almost always dont have a choice
of which CSU/DSU to use with an integrated solution. If you dont care...then
fine...but they're almost never as good or reliable as external ones.
>
>>
>> A good rule of thumb: If you know un*x, use un*x....if you don't, use
>> something else.
>>
>
>Yes, it's true that if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything
>looks like a nail. That's no excuse not to get the 'right' tool for
>the job.
I dont think that the "hammer" argument works here...theres no evidence
that your solution is better or more appropriate than a unix solution, and
much evidence that it is less flexible and lower performance (due to an
added hop, at the minimum). From the talk about problems with the PLs,
I'd say its a pretty risky choice.
dennis
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Or you could just edit your sendmail config file and place the following line
in S0. Basically it's for virtual domains, and it routes all mail addressed
user@virtual.dom --> real@virtual.dom (real is the account that is an
actual account on your machine. Otherwise, you will loose each name you
alias to as a login account.)
R$-<@virtual.dom> $#local$:real
*** Put this BEFORE R@ $#local$:$n ***
This will bypass your local mailer from checking whether the rightside of
the lefthand equation is an actual valid account, ie is user@virtual.dom
a local account?????
This should be the very first line in the S0 section. BTW, replace the
@virtual.dom with their domainname and the real with the account that
they are gonna pop the mail from remotely. Remember also to put the
domainname in the w macro:
Cwlocalhost virtual.dom
Patrick
On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Michael Dillon wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Bruce Bauman wrote:
>
> > We have a customer who has a Novell network, and their users want to receive
> > Internet mail from us. This customer won't have a static IP address. They just
> > want to dial in and fetch mail from us, similar to the way our normal dialup
> > customers do (e.g. using POP).
> >
> > The problem is, they want a single machine on their end to basically dial us
> > up and snarf the mail for all of their users, and feed back the outgoing
> > mail to us for eventual delivery on the Internet. We want a simple solution.
>
> Make a sendmail database that forwards mail for all of their users to one
> account. But warn them that they will need to sort the mail on their end
> and if it is done manually, then their employees email will not be
> confidential any more, just like a fax machine.
>
> Better if you find out what corporate email system they are using and
> talk to local VAR's about setting up some sort of gateway, maybe using UUCP.
>
> Or if they would put a FreeBSD box on their network (an old 386 perhaps)
> you could configure it to run a dialin script that makes a PPP connection
> and then runs POPMAIL for each usera nd deposits each user's email in a
> separate mailbox on the FreeBSD machine. Then they can just run Eudora or
> Pegasus on each desktop and the FreeBSD box will be acting as their mail
> server. Of course, this requires all machines to be running a TCP/IP
> stack. This is unlikely if they have Novell 3.x
>
>
> Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022
> Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049
> http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com
>
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I have the very modest beginnings of a few tools for web based administration
up for ftp now. Their is no polished install procedure and you shouldn't
download them unless you are prepared to configure your web server a little
bit. You can ftp them from ftp://foo.garply.com/users/matt/web-admin.tar.gz.
I will have the version with full DNS and user modification stuff out on
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From: "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM>
Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD
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> Louis writes.....
>
> >On the other hand, your Internet gateway doesn't have to fsck when the
> >power fails and comes back again. It doesn't serve web pages, or run
> >SMTP.. it does actually route packets pretty well.
>
> You're missing the point...you're comparing a router to a host/router, and
> I'm comparing a card to a router box.. No....my card doesnt have
> any moving parts either. There are substantial performance and functional
> advantages to having a common code solution between router and server.
> What's really funny is that you contradict yourself in your next "argument"
No, you're missing the point.
In my original message I pointed out that the cost of a dedicated
Ascend Pipeline 50 LS56 is very close if not cheaper than the cost of
the synchronous interface for a PC platform and the associated
external CSU/DSU.
The moving parts refer to the disk drive in the PC that loads the OS
that makes the interface do anything useful. If you only have one
machine, then the failure of the disk isn't any big deal. If, on the
other hand, you have a local ethernet with a handful of machines on
it, why would you tie their functioning to a realtively delicate
platform with moving parts?
> >To each his own.. My PL50 works really well, and takes up less space
> >than the ZyXEL modem I used to use. It doesn't have moving parts, and
> >doesn't need an external CSU/DSU.
>
> My argument is to put a router INTO my server...your argument of putting the
> CSU into the router is similar, except that you almost always dont have a choice
> of which CSU/DSU to use with an integrated solution. If you dont care...then
> fine...but they're almost never as good or reliable as external ones.
You only need a working CSU/DSU that conforms to the relevant Bellcore
specs. I don't know why you'd believe the external CSU/DSUs are more
reliable since they all use the same VLSI these days.
> >
> >>
> >> A good rule of thumb: If you know un*x, use un*x....if you don't, use
> >> something else.
> >>
> >
> >Yes, it's true that if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything
> >looks like a nail. That's no excuse not to get the 'right' tool for
> >the job.
>
> I dont think that the "hammer" argument works here...theres no evidence
> that your solution is better or more appropriate than a unix solution, and
> much evidence that it is less flexible and lower performance (due to an
> added hop, at the minimum). From the talk about problems with the PLs,
> I'd say its a pretty risky choice.
It absolutely is more reliable; the performance of your entire network
doesn't depend on the functioning of a UNIX box with disk drives, etc.
When there's a power failure, I don't want the connectivity to my
network to fail until someone comes along and types 'fsck -y' on the
console to reboot the gateway.
Louis A. Mamakos
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Louis continues...
>No, you're missing the point.
>
>In my original message I pointed out that the cost of a dedicated
>Ascend Pipeline 50 LS56 is very close if not cheaper than the cost of
>the synchronous interface for a PC platform and the associated
>external CSU/DSU.
>
>The moving parts refer to the disk drive in the PC that loads the OS
>that makes the interface do anything useful. If you only have one
>machine, then the failure of the disk isn't any big deal. If, on the
>other hand, you have a local ethernet with a handful of machines on
>it, why would you tie their functioning to a realtively delicate
>platform with moving parts?
But your router DOESNT DO A DAMN THING (sorry) without a server,
so you still need a host with moving parts....so you're saving nothing.
>You only need a working CSU/DSU that conforms to the relevant Bellcore
>specs. I don't know why you'd believe the external CSU/DSUs are more
>reliable since they all use the same VLSI these days.
Im glad that its that easy. All products are created equal, so just buy the
cheapest thing available. Simple world you have.
Standalone enclosures are more reliable, its easier to resolve problems,
almost always have more features, and dont have the heat and noise issues
that "integrated" ones. Integrated ones have space limitations so they often
leave out protection circuitry in external ones.
>It absolutely is more reliable; the performance of your entire network
>doesn't depend on the functioning of a UNIX box with disk drives, etc.
>When there's a power failure, I don't want the connectivity to my
>network to fail until someone comes along and types 'fsck -y' on the
>console to reboot the gateway.
Too bad for your customers. My UNIX gateway's been up since August without a
crash.
But I guess a slower, more costly solution would make me feel better :-)
db
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From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis)
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>On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Louis A. Mamakos wrote:
>
>> > >> A good rule of thumb: If you know un*x, use un*x....if you don't, use
>> > >> something else.
>
>[clip]
>
>> > added hop, at the minimum). From the talk about problems with the PLs,
>> > I'd say its a pretty risky choice.
>
>Yeah. That 1.6ms hop to my router sure does hender things.. :)
Which is about the same performance difference as using a pentium instead of a
'386 for your server...which do you use? :-)
Plus it keeps up to 3Mbs of traffic off your ethernet........
>
>Why bother talking about this so much? It's the same thing I see / have
>seen in the Linux-ISP list, and it gets us no where since neither side
>will bother switching.
Lots of people are switching. People stayed with DOS for awhile...but there
arent many left now...
More and more ISPs are realizing what a selling point it is to have a single
box,
virtually complete internet access solution for getting private line
business. And
there are a lot of people/companies that are looking for a good reason to get a
unix system in house.
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