From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 00:54:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA03704 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03695 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA13744; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:54:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199603100854.AAA13744@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Mark F. Patterson" cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: slow network response In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 09 Mar 1996 23:03:00 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:54:48 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Thanks Rodney, but go luck. Traceroute tell me the routes looks good, >but the average numbers on loopback are still very high. I re-examined my >routing tables and there doesn't seem to be anything that stands out. >Even checked my cables. > >Anyknown problems with a 3Com-509B-combo on thinnet(BNC). I don't recall >any myself. > >Again, any help folks is appreciated. Thanks! What do you have in /etc/hosts, and what does "localhost" resolve to? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 05:07:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA25277 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from iceonline.com (root@ns.iceonline.com [204.191.208.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA25272 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from edmbbs.iceonline.com by iceonline.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tvkiA-001Z6zC; Sun, 10 Mar 96 04:58 PST Received: by edmbbs.iceonline.com (UUPM-1.51) id D4176Jj Sun, Mar 10, 1996 05:02:27 EST From: sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com Message-Id: <9603100502.D4176Jj@edmbbs.iceonline.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named/sendmail problem: "MX points back..." Organization: EDMBBS Marketing Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 05:02:26 EST Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Argh! I am going INSANE!!!! %-( RD> You must restart sendmail. A HUP isn't good enough. RD> Restarting sendmail will generate much more consistent results. Thanks for the advice, I wasn't sure about the HUP. I've been killing and restarting it every time today... But, to no avail. I think either the Cw option is not the option to use, or sendmail is ignoring the /etc/sendmail.cf file. None of the changes I make seem to have any effect, even if I kill and restart sendmail. :( Maybe there's some undocumented ritual sacrifice I should be using??? From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 05:51:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA28205 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-gw-6.compuserve.com (arl-gw-6.compuserve.com [198.4.6.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA28199 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from cod.connix.com by arl-gw-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.941228sam) id IAA11504; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:51:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:51:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199603101351.IAA11504@arl-gw-6.compuserve.com> X-Sender: cod@connix.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com From: "C. O'Donnell" Subject: Re: named/sendmail problem: "MX points back..." Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 05:02 AM 3/7/96 EST, sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com wrote: >My sendmail.cf file is the default except for the new Cw lines... > Cwlocalhost > Cwkirk.edmnet.com. > Cwedmnet.com. Maybe try removing the trailing dot? >I suppose I should add a Cw line for every host that Kirk handles mail >for, but I don't think that'll make much difference right now. > Class "w" expands to all host names that are local (meaning this machine). It will incorrectly choose "SMTP" instead of "local" for a mail agent if it doesn't find the host in it's "w" class. But sendmail should fill this list from DNS, except for the short domain name (edmnet.com). Good luck, Chuck From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 06:25:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29917 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 06:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29911 Sun, 10 Mar 1996 06:25:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199603101425.GAA29911@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: named/sendmail problem: "MX points back..." To: codonnell@bus.net (C. O'Donnell) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 06:25:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603101351.IAA11504@arl-gw-6.compuserve.com> from "C. O'Donnell" at Mar 10, 96 08:51:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk C. O'Donnell wrote: > > At 05:02 AM 3/7/96 EST, sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com wrote: > >My sendmail.cf file is the default except for the new Cw lines... > > Cwlocalhost > > Cwkirk.edmnet.com. > > Cwedmnet.com. > > Maybe try removing the trailing dot? yes, please remove the trailing dot. > > >I suppose I should add a Cw line for every host that Kirk handles mail > >for, but I don't think that'll make much difference right now. > > > Class "w" expands to all host names that are local (meaning this machine). > It will incorrectly choose "SMTP" instead of "local" for a mail agent if > it doesn't find the host in it's "w" class. But sendmail should fill this list > from DNS, except for the short domain name (edmnet.com). > > Good luck, > Chuck > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 07:23:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA02888 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from green.eggtech.com (egg2.flash.net [206.149.28.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02881 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mikee@localhost) by green.eggtech.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25137; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:23:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:23:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199603101523.JAA25137@green.eggtech.com> From: Mike Eggleston To: sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com CC: isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <9603100502.D4176Jj@edmbbs.iceonline.com> (sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com) Subject: Re: named/sendmail problem: "MX points back..." Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "sreid" == sreid writes: > Argh! I am going INSANE!!!! %-( RD> You must restart sendmail. A HUP isn't good enough. Restarting RD> sendmail will generate much more consistent results. > Thanks for the advice, I wasn't sure about the HUP. I've been > killing and restarting it every time today... But, to no avail. > I think either the Cw option is not the option to use, or sendmail > is ignoring the /etc/sendmail.cf file. None of the changes I make > seem to have any effect, even if I kill and restart sendmail. :( > Maybe there's some undocumented ritual sacrifice I should be > using??? I had this same problem and the only way I could fix it was to make sure that I had not defined the thing in /etc/sendmail.cf that says what host to masquerade as. When I removed the masquerade definition from sendmail.cf and had the mx records set right, everything else worked right. Mike From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 08:19:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA05927 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [165.90.138.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05922 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from calweb.calweb.com (calweb.calweb.com [165.90.138.3]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27505; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from web1.calweb.com (rdugaue@web1.calweb.com [165.90.138.10]) by calweb.calweb.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28632; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:18:35 GMT Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:18:57 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Du Gaue To: sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named/sendmail problem: "MX points back..." In-Reply-To: <9603100502.D4176Jj@edmbbs.iceonline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > RD> You must restart sendmail. A HUP isn't good enough. > RD> Restarting sendmail will generate much more consistent results. > > Thanks for the advice, I wasn't sure about the HUP. I've been killing > and restarting it every time today... But, to no avail. Before installing a new config try this: sendmail -bt -C /etc/sendmail.cf (assuming you've already moved it, but I wait until it's tested before I move it!) and run it through some test that'll hit the changes you made. If you don't see it working, then your changes are probably not what you thought and are not working. Everytime I modify and rebuild my sendmail.cf I go into test mode and run it through some standard patterns. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 17:21:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA06664 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06653 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.5/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id RAA02066; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: "C. O'Donnell" , sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named/sendmail problem: "MX points back..." In-Reply-To: <199603101425.GAA29911@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Maybe try removing the trailing dot? > > yes, please remove the trailing dot. I love the way sendmail forces you to use the incorrect form, everyone should be using a trailing '.', oh well. == Chris Layne ============================================================= == coredump@nervosa.com ================ http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 19:34:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA19348 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19325 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30780-7205>; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:36:12 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:35:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: invalid opcode cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "C. O'Donnell" , sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com, isp@Freebsd.ORG Subject: Re: named/sendmail problem: "MX points back..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@Freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, invalid opcode wrote: > On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > Maybe try removing the trailing dot? > > > > yes, please remove the trailing dot. > > I love the way sendmail forces you to use the incorrect form, everyone > should be using a trailing '.', oh well. No, not according to RFC 821. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 10 22:36:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA06947 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ter2.fl.net.au (root@ter2.fl.net.au [203.63.198.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06834 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from tiger.fl.net.au (adf@tiger.fl.net.au [203.63.198.11]) by ter2.fl.net.au (2.0/adf) with SMTP id QAA07166 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:38:06 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960312033345.00a52a24@mail.fl.net.au> X-Sender: adf@mail.fl.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:33:45 -1000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Andrew Foster Subject: News and FreeBSD Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Anyone run a stable FreeBSD news server using innd? I'm getting reboots, and it's generally whilst running the expire in news.daily. This is with INN 1.4 unoff3 Thanks, Andrew Foster First Link Internet Services ----------- Andrew Foster Sydney, Australia From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 05:11:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07390 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 05:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from iceonline.com (root@ns.iceonline.com [204.191.208.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA07385 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 05:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from edmbbs.iceonline.com by iceonline.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tw7Fo-001Z7xC; Mon, 11 Mar 96 05:03 PST Received: by edmbbs.iceonline.com (UUPM-1.51) id D9274hD Mon, Mar 11, 1996 05:02:28 EST From: sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com Message-Id: <9603110502.D9274hD@edmbbs.iceonline.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Thanks! (Re: MX points back...) Organization: EDMBBS Marketing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 05:02:27 EST Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who helped me with my sendmail/named problem... I finally have it working properly! :) The trailing dot on the Cw line *was* the problem. That one little dot would have driven me to the funny farm if it weren't for the help I got here. Thank you all. :) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 07:48:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA16537 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16530 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA17671; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:47:06 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603111547.JAA17671@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News and FreeBSD To: adf@fl.net.au (Andrew Foster) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:47:06 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960312033345.00a52a24@mail.fl.net.au> from "Andrew Foster" at Mar 11, 96 05:33:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Anyone run a stable FreeBSD news server using innd? I'm getting reboots, > and it's generally whilst running the expire in news.daily. > > This is with INN 1.4 unoff3 > > Thanks, > Andrew Foster > First Link Internet Services I'm running several major news servers under 2.1.0-RELEASE, one running unoff2, one unoff3, etc. No problems. It may get a little annoyed at you if you don't have enough RAM or other resources... a more detailed description of your system would be helpful. fyi: news.sol.net is a 64MB ASUS Triton P90 with NCR-810 SCSI and AHA-3940 SCSI, a SMC-8013 ethernet, and a slew of disks :-) the average history.pag file size is around 15MB. (these are all important factors, please reply in at least that much detail). ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 07:49:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA16632 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from itchy.mosquito.com (itchy.mosquito.com [206.205.132.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA16627 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from boot@localhost) by itchy.mosquito.com (8.6.11/8.6.12) id KAA08096; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:50:37 -0500 From: Bruce Bauman Message-Id: <199603111550.KAA08096@itchy.mosquito.com> Subject: increase ptys? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:50:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: boot@itchy.mosquito.com (Bruce Bauman) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do I increase the number of ptys on my system? We are running out of ptys at times. Thanks in advance. -- Bruce Bauman Mosquito Net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 09:24:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA26502 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26490 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from www (pluto.gds.de [194.77.222.13]) by gds.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA00217 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 19:54:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199603111854.TAA00217@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Gresek" Organization: GRESEK DATA SYSTEMS To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:25:18 +0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: routing with ppp / pppd X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Richard Gresek" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have ppp running as dial-in server. Everything works fine at the first connect. On the second connect I get the connection, ppp starts but I am not able to do a ping to the server's modem. Pings to all other machines do not come back either. Very sure it is a problem with the routing table. It is very strange that after the disconnect of the first session there still is an entry in the routing table for the disconnected client with a '#link1' in the place of the gateway. I had to reconfigure my kernel with the option ARP_PROXYALL. Probably this could be the reason. But without this option in the kernel the ppp didn't work at all (I could make the connection but could not ping any interface.) though I had proxy enabled in the .ppp.conf. I have this problem with pppd and with user ppp. Both work fine on the first connect after the boot but fail on the further connections. Can anyone give me a suggestion what to do? Richard GRESEK DATA SYSTEMS Hauptstrasse 2 D-56271 Kleinmaischeid Germany Tel.: +49 2689 959120 Fax: +49 2689 959122 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 14:53:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA26644 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26636 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA05321; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:52:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:52:41 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199603112252.PAA05321@trout.sri.MT.net> To: "Richard Gresek" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing with ppp / pppd In-Reply-To: <199603111854.TAA00217@gds.de> References: <199603111854.TAA00217@gds.de> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have ppp running as dial-in server. > > Everything works fine at the first connect. > > On the second connect I get the connection, ppp starts but I am not > able to do a ping to the server's modem. Pings to all other machines > do not come back either. Details are always helpful, such as version, etc.. > I had to reconfigure my kernel with the option ARP_PROXYALL. Why, it shouldn't be necessary? In any case, all 4.4Lite derived systems had bugs in the ARP handling code. Bill Fenner fixed in it FreeBSD, and his fix exists in all newer versions of FreeBSD, include -current and -stable. If you aren't running one of those versions, your best bet is to upgrade to one of them which has the fix installed. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 17:15:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA08775 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.mnsinc.com (mail1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08765 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pdc (jking.mnsinc.com [205.157.131.123]) by mail1.mnsinc.com (8.6.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA29200 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:15:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199603120115.UAA29200@mail1.mnsinc.com> X-Sender: jking@mnsinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: James King Subject: Digiboard PC/Xem Controller Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone been Suscessful in configuring the Digiboard PC/Xem MultiPort Serial Card with the FreeBSD Package. I have edited the Kernal and added the lines to no Avail. Any suggestion or Examples would be greatly appreciated. James King JKING@MNSINC.COM From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 21:59:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA02053 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 21:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from tulpi.interconnect.com.au (root@tulpi.interconnect.com.au [192.189.54.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02042 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 21:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ahill@localhost) by tulpi.interconnect.com.au id QAA22168 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:59:09 +1100 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:59:08 +1100 (EST) From: Anthony Hill To: "Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proxy server In-Reply-To: <199603091941.QAA05819@unix1.ism.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can someone suggest me a proxy server to combine with apache httpd ? > > Question: There is any sense in putting two ethernet controlers in a proxy > server to phisically separate the internal (protected) network from > the external ? Sure is.......then you can use the catch-phrase of the year, and tell people you've got a firewall. (half a firewall anyway). Now if you deny all connection requests from the external network to the internal network, you will make the hackers job that much harder. (You will however need to get your users to use an ftp client capable of passive mode ftp, or get them to use a web browser.) > > TIA! > Helio. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 22:04:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02384 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02379 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA29521; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:04:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:03:42 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Andrew Foster cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960312033345.00a52a24@mail.fl.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Andrew Foster wrote: > Anyone run a stable FreeBSD news server using innd? I'm getting reboots, > and it's generally whilst running the expire in news.daily. We've been running innd for about 2 months. It has crashed twice, once due to lack of inodes ( oops. Not a TRUE crash, just stopped accepting mail ) and once while MCI was spamming us with 1.5 and 1.7meg messages ( the server just locked up, screensaver included. We are running plain out of the box Innd as compiled from the 2.1-release ports collection. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : An ISP serving the Virginia Middle Penninsula : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 11 22:32:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA06461 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from neptune.pristine.com.tw ([192.72.150.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06416 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from team_fbf@localhost) by neptune.pristine.com.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA07628; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:26:40 GMT From: ywliu Message-Id: <199603121426.OAA07628@neptune.pristine.com.tw> Subject: Re: Running BSDI binaries To: sigma@pair.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:26:39 +0000 () Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Kevin Martin" at Mar 6, 96 10:22:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Recently, I've had a couple of customers who want to run commercial BSDI > binaries. I know there's BSDI support in FreeBSD somewhere, but it's not > part of the normal release, am I right? Where can I find the appropriate > library or module or patch or whatever I need? Hi, I believe the ability to run BSDI binary file is already in FreeBSD 2.1 (for historical reasons) and I know it can run BSDI 1.x binary files, but probably not BSDI 2.0. The best way to identify is : run it under FreeBSD 2.1. At least I can run Netscape BSDI version under FreeBSD 2.1 quite happily. ywliu From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 12 17:00:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10828 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10821 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.83.63.13] (apfel.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.13]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA13982 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:59:58 +0100 X-Sender: michael@zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:00:00 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org From: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Subject: Re: proxy server Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Can someone suggest me a proxy server to combine with apache httpd ? You can run the Netscape Proxy server (the BSDI version). Works fine on my FreeBSD 2.1 machine. This is probably the best choice if you expect a high load and / or need a large cache. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 12 19:39:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24930 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24919 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tnc189.asiapac.net (tnc189.asiapac.net [202.188.1.89]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA19885 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:26:02 +0800 Message-Id: <199603130326.LAA19885@gandalf.asiapac.net> X-Sender: sckhoo@mail.asiapac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:37:16 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org From: Khoo Swee Chuan Subject: Re: proxy server Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >>Can someone suggest me a proxy server to combine with apache httpd ? > >You can run the Netscape Proxy server (the BSDI version). Works fine on my >FreeBSD 2.1 machine. >This is probably the best choice if you expect a high load and / or need a >large cache. > CERN server works well too, at least mine is, on caching part. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Khoo Swee Chuan ( The Network Connections ) sckhoo@asiapac.net | | SAFH, DNRC, PostMaster, WebMaster, FtpMaster, NameMaster, CardMaster | | http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ | | tel:603-7337757 fax:603-7345577 #include | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Never let your sense of morals prevent you in doing what is right." - I. Asimov From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 13 13:26:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA26080 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from itchy.mosquito.com (itchy.mosquito.com [206.205.132.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26068 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from boot@localhost) by itchy.mosquito.com (8.6.11/8.6.12) id QAA15850; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:26:55 -0500 From: Bruce Bauman Message-Id: <199603132126.QAA15850@itchy.mosquito.com> Subject: csh hanging around after disconnect To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:26:55 -0500 (EST) Cc: boot@itchy.mosquito.com (Bruce Bauman) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. We're an ISP using Livingston portmasters and running 2.1-stable. Our portmasters are set with an idle timeout of 30 minutes. I have noticed that when users get booted off by the timeout, their csh process hangs around. Is this a bug? Or am I doing something wrong on my end. We don't reboot our server very often, so this ends up being a problem for us. Also, we run the poppassd daemon so that users can change their passwords via Eudora. We have the same problem - if a user disconnects in the middle of changing their password, the process hangs around forever and ties up a pty. Does anyone have a fix for this? Thanks. -- Bruce Bauman Mosquito Net, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 14 07:41:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA12845 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12834 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA21964; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:40:33 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603141540.JAA21964@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect To: boot@mosquito.com (Bruce Bauman) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:40:33 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, boot@itchy.mosquito.com In-Reply-To: <199603132126.QAA15850@itchy.mosquito.com> from "Bruce Bauman" at Mar 13, 96 04:26:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi. We're an ISP using Livingston portmasters and running 2.1-stable. Our portmasters > are set with an idle timeout of 30 minutes. I have noticed that when users get booted > off by the timeout, their csh process hangs around. Is this a bug? Or am I doing > something wrong on my end. We don't reboot our server very often, so this ends up > being a problem for us. > > Also, we run the poppassd daemon so that users can change their passwords via > Eudora. We have the same problem - if a user disconnects in the middle of > changing their password, the process hangs around forever and ties up a pty. > Does anyone have a fix for this? I've seen Portmasters do all sorts of strangeness with TCP/IP connections, be it SLIP or rlogin... I believe you're running into another variant of one of my old complaints about Portmasters (and the reason I religiously steer people away from these marginal devices)... the Portmasters do goofy things when connections go away. In this case, if memory serves, try putting an Ethernet sniffer (or FreeBSD with tcpdump) on the wire. Connect up, watch the packets. Drop the connection and I would bet a small sum of money that you do not see the Portmaster close down the connection correctly (if at all). MY fix for this particular type of brokenness has always been to enable SO_KEEPALIVE :-) In YOUR case, I would say it's easier to disable the misfeature on the Portmaster and install a Perl script (etc) on your UNIX box to kill idle connections. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 14 09:22:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19778 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from databus.databus.com (root@databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19773 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:22:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9603141222.AA23891@databus.databus.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 12:21 EST From: Barney Wolff To: Bruce Bauman , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The terminal server is acting as a router. What is it supposed to send and to whom, when the user disconnects without closing all TCP (and other connection-oriented) sessions? The only answer to this, and not a very swift one, is to run TCP keep-alives on all telnet and poppassd sessions on your host, and that will eventually detect that the user's gone away. Barney Wolff >From: Bruce Bauman >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:26:55 -0500 (EST) > >Hi. We're an ISP using Livingston portmasters and running 2.1-stable. Our portmasters >are set with an idle timeout of 30 minutes. I have noticed that when users get booted >off by the timeout, their csh process hangs around. Is this a bug? Or am I doing >something wrong on my end. We don't reboot our server very often, so this ends up >being a problem for us. > >Also, we run the poppassd daemon so that users can change their passwords via >Eudora. We have the same problem - if a user disconnects in the middle of >changing their password, the process hangs around forever and ties up a pty. >Does anyone have a fix for this? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 14 14:20:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07151 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07110 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08486; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:20:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Bruce Bauman cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Bruce Bauman Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect In-Reply-To: <199603132126.QAA15850@itchy.mosquito.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Bruce Bauman wrote: > Hi. We're an ISP using Livingston portmasters and running 2.1-stable. Our portmasters > are set with an idle timeout of 30 minutes. I have noticed that when users get booted > off by the timeout, their csh process hangs around. Is this a bug? Or am I doing > something wrong on my end. We don't reboot our server very often, so this ends up > being a problem for us. Have you upgraded to ComOS 3.3.1?? I have not had the problem you described. However, livingston has finally listened to alot of complaints and ComOS 3.3.1 has fixed ALOT of other problems on my end. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : An ISP serving the Virginia Middle Penninsula : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 14 14:20:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07327 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07322 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from kmt.kmtnet.com ([205.177.113.3]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA08488 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:20:15 -0800 Received: (from marpat@localhost) by kmt.kmtnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00703; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:18:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:18:26 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Patterson To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 14 15:12:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09860 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09853 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabal.io.org (cabal.io.org [198.133.36.103]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA09194 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:12:36 -0800 Received: (from taob@localhost) by cabal.io.org (8.7.4/8.7.4) id RAA04768; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:12:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:12:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Matt Emerson cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switch from sun to freebsd news server? In-Reply-To: <199602250142.UAA00358@nightfly.pip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, Matt Emerson wrote: > > i may be completely mad, but i have been thinking about replacing > our current news server (sparc 10/40 running sunos 4.1.4, 64MB mem, > 8GB spool) with a pentium running freebsd. How many readers and feeds do you expect to handle? A P133 with 64MB and multiple disk controllers and spindles should be able to handle 100 readers and about a dozen feeds without too much trouble. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 15 07:19:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA04313 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gnn-2.gnn.com (gnn-2.gnn.com [204.148.97.92]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04306 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from www-23-219.gnn.com. (www-23-219.gnn.com [205.188.23.219]) by gnn-2.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15175 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:18:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603151518.KAA15175@gnn-2.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:10:48 From: Bullocks@gnn.com (Scott Bullock) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Duplicate messages Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell why I'm getting duplicat messages from this mailing list? I've already sent this message to the majordomo without response. The following is what I am currently subscribed to. freebsd-announce Bullocks@gnn.com freebsd-isp Bullocks@gnn.com Scott Bullock Hesperia, CA BullockS@gnn,com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 15 11:21:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA23636 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23624 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.4/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id LAA26065 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA04913 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:17:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199603151917.LAA04913@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Calling all Sprint customers... From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:17:41 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you're a Sprint customer, you may have noticed that there is no connectivity to freefall and wcarchive at the moment. This is because Sprint only peers with CRL (our NSP) at the CIX and Sprint's T1 to the CIX is down at the moment. Anyway, this message is to ask all you Sprint customers to call up and complain that 1) Sprint's connection to the CIX is down, and 2) Sprint's refusal to peer with CRL at any other peering location (such as PacBell-NAP, MAE-west, etc) is stupid and is a mistake. Sprint could be peering with CRL at DS3 speeds (again, at MAE-west, PB-NAP, etc), but isn't. Ask them to change this! Thanks. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 15 15:14:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10170 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10162 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22921 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:14:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:14:03 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD IRCNet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If anyone is interested : We have started forming a FreeBSD IRC net. We are looking for ISP's and other well connected ( T1 or better ) sites that are interested in joining an IRC net. We have been playing with the net making sure how to run IRCD and are now to the point to start actively hooking people up. If you are interested either contact tom@inna.net ( me ) or Thekind@netural.com. You can hit our irc servers ( irc.inna.net, irc.netural.com, irc.superior.net, angelica.campus.luth.se ) we are hoping connecting ANOTHER freebsd ISP tonight. Look for me ( Xyzzy ) in the #Freebsd channel. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : An ISP serving the Virginia Middle Penninsula : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 15 19:15:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24904 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24886 Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from basenet.basenet.com (root@basenet.basenet.com [206.74.12.34]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA02967 ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:14:30 -0800 Received: from [206.74.12.43] (orion.basenet.com [206.74.12.43]) by basenet.basenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14921; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:19:02 -0500 X-Sender: erich@206.74.12.34 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:20:08 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: erich@basenet.com (Eric Hester) Subject: comtrol rocketports Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi There, I have been running a linux for about a year now at my ISP. I have tolerated its instability (minor up until recently) But I have just recently started playing with FreeBSD, which I am most impressed with. Anyway to the point. I have terminal servers running linux with comtrol rocketports. If I am to move to FreeBSD I will have to have comtrol drivers for it. I know BSDI supports comtrol. Is there/will there be support for rocketports anytime soon? would it be terribly hard to port either the linux or bsdi driver to FreeBSD (Forgive me, but Im still learning FreeBSD structure.. it seems terribly similar to BSDI, whcih makes sense)... any help is appreciated. ---------Base Internet Services - Base Computer Systems, Inc.----------- Eric Hester erich@basenet.com President/System Administrator 864 855-9812 x6201 ---------Base Internet Services - Base Computer Systems, Inc.----------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 15 21:50:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA01412 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01407 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from marikit.iphil.net (map@marikit.iphil.net [203.176.0.4]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA04867 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:49:54 -0800 Received: (from map@localhost) by marikit.iphil.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) id NAA05822; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 13:49:24 +0800 From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" Message-Id: <199603160549.NAA05822@marikit.iphil.net> Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect To: barney@databus.com (Barney Wolff) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 13:49:24 +0800 (GMT+0800) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9603141222.AA23891@databus.databus.com> from "Barney Wolff" at Mar 14, 96 12:21:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I'm having the same problem... except I'm using bash. Barney Wolff wrote: > The only answer to this, and not > a very swift one, is to run TCP keep-alives on all telnet and poppassd > sessions on your host, and that will eventually detect that the user's > gone away. How is this done? Is this a separate daemon, or an option to compile in these daemons? Another way - can we looked through the logged in users at regular intervals and find out who's disconnected? You could compare this against the list of logged in users ('show sessions'), but we'd have to differentiate from users who are telnetted in from somewhere else... -- miguel a.l. paraz iphil communications, makati, philippines From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 05:22:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA02577 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 05:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.net (sydney2.world.net [198.142.12.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA02572 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 05:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: mikel@bns.com.au Received: from ausnet.world.net (melb18.world.net [198.142.2.27]) by world.net (8.7.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA08305 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:21:06 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199603161321.XAA08305@world.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 00:17:44 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Administration Utilities X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition v0.99s Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk G'Day, We get our 64k ISDN feed from a company who charges on percentage use. Because of this, I thought it would be a good idea to monitor my line usage to check their claim's on my usage. When I thought of this, I also thought of other things I would like to monitor closely, like, bandwidth usage of users (both dial in and permenant) bandwidth consumption by service, eg, ftp, www etc... I am sure there are such tools available... could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance Regards and Salutations, Mikel From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 07:07:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA06996 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from databus.databus.com (root@databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06989 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:07:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9603161007.AA03474@databus.databus.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 96 10:07 EST From: Barney Wolff To: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" >Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 13:49:24 +0800 (GMT+0800) > >> The only answer to this, and not >> a very swift one, is to run TCP keep-alives on all telnet and poppassd >> sessions on your host, and that will eventually detect that the user's >> gone away. > >How is this done? Is this a separate daemon, or an option to compile >in these daemons? See the SO_KEEPALIVE option in set/getsockopt(3N). That turns keepalives on or off, and probably needs to be in inetd, or perhaps telnetd. The interval between keepalives is a kernel parameter, and I don't know if it's tunable or you need to delve into the source. It may be on already - the default interval for keepalives is 2 hours. In the dialup IP scenario, 5 minutes is probably more useful. Barney Wolff From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 07:46:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA09342 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09336 Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA24201; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:45:46 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603161545.JAA24201@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: comtrol rocketports To: erich@basenet.com (Eric Hester) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:45:46 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Eric Hester" at Mar 15, 96 10:20:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi There, > > I have been running a linux for about a year now at my ISP. I have > tolerated its instability (minor up until recently) But I have just > recently started playing with FreeBSD, which I am most impressed with. > Anyway to the point. I have terminal servers running linux with comtrol > rocketports. If I am to move to FreeBSD I will have to have comtrol drivers > for it. I know BSDI supports comtrol. Yup. > Is there/ Nope. > will there be support for rocketports anytime soon? Only if somebody writes or ports one.. > would it be terribly hard to port either the > linux or bsdi driver to FreeBSD (Forgive me, but Im still learning FreeBSD > structure.. it seems terribly similar to BSDI, whcih makes sense)... any > help is appreciated. This is an issue that's also near and dear to my heart as I'm looking at serial port issues (well, I have been for a very long time)... The Linux driver is probably not (directly) portable due to what others have described as fundamental paradigm differences. It would, however, probably be a great source of general information. The BSDI driver, IIRC, is part of the BSDI distribution rather than being contributed software, so the driver is probably under BSDI copyright. For what it's worth, I believe quite strongly that FreeBSD needs support for these serial port solutions! Hayes ESP 1 and 8 port (in enhanced mode), Comtrol Rocketport, etc. Not everybody can afford the more expensive offerings from Stallion and Specialix (look at the cost for just 8 ports).. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 07:49:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA09513 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09504 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA24225; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:48:32 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603161548.JAA24225@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect To: map@iphil.net (Miguel A.L. Paraz) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:48:32 -0600 (CST) Cc: barney@databus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603160549.NAA05822@marikit.iphil.net> from "Miguel A.L. Paraz" at Mar 16, 96 01:49:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello! > > I'm having the same problem... except I'm using bash. > > Barney Wolff wrote: > > > The only answer to this, and not > > a very swift one, is to run TCP keep-alives on all telnet and poppassd > > sessions on your host, and that will eventually detect that the user's > > gone away. > > How is this done? Is this a separate daemon, or an option to compile > in these daemons? It's something that doesn't exist but would be implemented by adding a little code to all the networking daemons. Particularly the daemons without timeouts.. > Another way - can we looked through the logged in users at regular > intervals and find out who's disconnected? You could compare this > against the list of logged in users ('show sessions'), but > we'd have to differentiate from users who are telnetted in from > somewhere else... No, that gets to be very difficult very quickly. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 07:57:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA09812 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09807 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA24257; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:54:36 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603161554.JAA24257@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Administration Utilities To: mikel@bns.com.au Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:54:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603161321.XAA08305@world.net> from "mikel@bns.com.au" at Mar 18, 96 00:17:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > G'Day, > > We get our 64k ISDN feed from a company who charges on percentage use. > Because of this, I thought it would be a good idea to monitor my line > usage to check their claim's on my usage. > > When I thought of this, I also thought of other things I would like to > monitor closely, like, bandwidth usage of users (both dial in and > permenant) bandwidth consumption by service, eg, ftp, www etc... > > I am sure there are such tools available... could someone point me in the > right direction? You are looking for the accounting features in IPFW :-) man ipfw and look at the samples over in /usr/share/somethingorother ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 08:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA10327 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from marikit.iphil.net (map@marikit.iphil.net [203.176.0.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10308 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from map@localhost) by marikit.iphil.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) id AAA07898; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 00:11:14 +0800 From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" Message-Id: <199603161611.AAA07898@marikit.iphil.net> Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 00:11:14 +0800 (GMT+0800) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603161548.JAA24225@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Mar 16, 96 09:48:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wrote: > > How is this done? Is this a separate daemon, or an option to compile > > in these daemons? Joe Greco wrote: > It's something that doesn't exist but would be implemented by adding a > little code to all the networking daemons. Particularly the daemons without > timeouts.. Looks like a bigger task than it should be. Perhaps this should be more configurable... or compilable with a #define, ISP - "define -DISP if you're running the daemons on an ISP machine." The effect is the machine runs out of ptys. I would want to install that, but this is a client machine that runs remotely, and I don't want to take chances unless I'm on-site. > > Another way - can we looked through the logged in users at regular > > intervals and find out who's disconnected? You could compare this > > against the list of logged in users ('show sessions'), but > > we'd have to differentiate from users who are telnetted in from > > somewhere else... > No, that gets to be very difficult very quickly. Yes... is there any other way? On another client box, a Linux machine that did the PPP by itself, I made a script that kills all user processes when the user logs out. Drastic... but stray user processes were screwing up the accounting. -- miguel a.l. paraz iphil communications, makati, philippines From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 08:51:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18306 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18289 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA24399; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:47:50 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603161647.KAA24399@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: csh hanging around after disconnect To: map@iphil.net (Miguel A.L. Paraz) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:47:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603161611.AAA07898@marikit.iphil.net> from "Miguel A.L. Paraz" at Mar 17, 96 00:11:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I wrote: > > > > How is this done? Is this a separate daemon, or an option to compile > > > in these daemons? > > Joe Greco wrote: > > > It's something that doesn't exist but would be implemented by adding a > > little code to all the networking daemons. Particularly the daemons without > > timeouts.. > > Looks like a bigger task than it should be. Perhaps this should > be more configurable... or compilable with a #define, ISP - > "define -DISP if you're running the daemons on an ISP machine." Actually, people may frown on this, but I'd sorta like a way to define the use of keepalives as a systemwide default.. > The effect is the machine runs out of ptys. I would want to > install that, but this is a client machine that runs remotely, > and I don't want to take chances unless I'm on-site. :-) > > > Another way - can we looked through the logged in users at regular > > > intervals and find out who's disconnected? You could compare this > > > against the list of logged in users ('show sessions'), but > > > we'd have to differentiate from users who are telnetted in from > > > somewhere else... > > > No, that gets to be very difficult very quickly. > > Yes... is there any other way? Not really. > On another client box, a Linux machine that did the PPP by itself, > I made a script that kills all user processes when the user logs out. > Drastic... but stray user processes were screwing up the > accounting. That only worked coincidentally... you had just the right circumstances. A more general problem is, for example, a busy news server... you don't have folks logging in and out. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 16 10:39:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23125 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23120 Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA16123; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:49:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: Joe Greco cc: Eric Hester , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: comtrol rocketports In-Reply-To: <199603161545.JAA24201@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > I have been running a linux for about a year now at my ISP. I have > > tolerated its instability (minor up until recently) But I have just > > recently started playing with FreeBSD, which I am most impressed with. > > Anyway to the point. I have terminal servers running linux with comtrol > > rocketports. If I am to move to FreeBSD I will have to have comtrol drivers > > for it. I know BSDI supports comtrol. > > will there be support for rocketports anytime soon? > Only if somebody writes or ports one.. > For what it's worth, I believe quite strongly that FreeBSD needs support for > these serial port solutions! Hayes ESP 1 and 8 port (in enhanced mode), > Comtrol Rocketport, etc. Not everybody can afford the more expensive > offerings from Stallion and Specialix (look at the cost for just 8 ports).. And what's wrong with building special-purpose terminal servers out of Linux boxes and using FreeBSD for all the other servers? After all, Linux is UNIX too and all a terminal server needs to do is run a bunch of serial ports and maybe a few rlogins to a FreeBSD shell server. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com