From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 26 03:39:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA18575 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 26 May 1996 03:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oznet16.ozemail.com.au (oznet16.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA18558; Sun, 26 May 1996 03:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au (oznet02.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.124]) by oznet16.ozemail.com.au (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA03500; Sun, 26 May 1996 20:39:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from Default (slmel3p59.ozemail.com.au [203.15.163.75]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA08469; Sun, 26 May 1996 20:38:55 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199605261038.UAA08469@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Lyon" To: rlyon@ozemail.com.au, Chris Linstruth Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 20:29:45 +0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp Reply-to: rlyon@ozemail.com.au CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 06:02:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Linstruth > To: rlyon@ozemail.com.au > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp serv > Are you processing 200000 Usenet articles a day? And supporting > readers? > > I'm certain we wouldn't be seeing any problems if the load wasn't > so stressful. At least not as often. > > It's not that the system doesn't run. It's been up almost 4 days on > this boot. A crash is inevitable though. > I am using my FSB box for development work. The most strenuous activity would be the compile/link cycle. This is not quite in the same league as a heavily loaded news server. Sorry, but I gained the impression that there problems in trying to just get the basic machine up and running. The 1542 is ISA based, which is going to be a potential limitation. Sound like a fist full of dollars is the solution. Regards Richard ... From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 26 10:57:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06562 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 26 May 1996 10:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06544; Sun, 26 May 1996 10:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr14.etinc.com (dialup-usr14.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06730; Sun, 26 May 1996 14:03:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 14:03:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199605261803.OAA06730@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Routers and FreeBSD (let's have a bakeoff) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Karl writes... >> Just for fun though, whats the mininum cost for a unit with two >> Fast Ethernets and a dual T1 and enough memory (at least 32 >> meg) to be multi-homed running BGP4? PC cost is under >> $2500. and it does quite nicely. > >Again you stack the desk. Why? > >Two T1 inbound circuits require no more than ordinary Ethernet (3MB >aggregate total on each T1 <= ~6Mbps (nominal REAL Ethernet throughput >under load). Not if you have serious local ethernet routing. Aggregate 3Mbs as an average is about right for 10Mbs ethernet , but that doesnt diminish the instantanous requirements of full 10Mbs that a single transaction can easily achieve (or MUCH higher on a fast ethernet). Is it OK with you if the router drops your serial data when say, a backup is being done between the local ethernets (as many popular low-end routers will)? Is the fact that the router can handle average loads "good enough" even if it chokes under peak pressure? My point was that the above box with fast ethernet is big bucks in non-PC routers, and that a PC does very well and fits within a small-medium ISPs budget. Of course a "real ISP" like MCS has no such requirements, im sure. > >I can come up with contrived examples all day. So can you. Why are you >doing so? The rest of us are trying to keep away from that game. Its not contrived, Karl. Its a fairly common scenario. > >Further, that "multi homed Pentium box" will be VERY unlikely to be able >to survive serious convergence situations and still be forwarding packets >during the event. It further has to handle MEDs and policy routing to >be considered something I would recommend that anyone actually run in >a multihomed configuration (this is presuming you really want to >load-balance instead of just using one of the T1s for backup :-) Word is the performance is pretty good. Pentium 133s are pretty fast little buggers. Although, recommendations are almost always highly subjective, so I wouldnt expect one from someone so clearly biased. > >>> I consider the access stuff fairly dinky :-) >> >> and the most lucrative. > >Which is why ASCEND just blew the doors off all the access router people a >couple of months ago (the P130 again) which, dollar-for-dollar, outruns any >PC *OR* traditional router solution. whos doors? my doors are intact :-) And what does "outruns" mean, in human-speak? > >This "leapfrog" game is common in the computer industry. > >> A serious router is one that carries my data. It starts in a small >> office and ends in the backbone, but there are 1000 times more >> small routers than large ones. To dismiss them as "trivial" is to >> ignore 99% of the market, which Im sure you dont want to do. >> >> Dennis > >Again, comparing a PC to a C4500 is once again biasing the equation. > >Compare it against an Ascend P130, and tell me who has the best bang for >the buck. I do regularly. With an Ascend I still have to buy a host to run my web pages, e-mail and DNS. Plus I have an extra hop (rather than having the serial line terminate directly into my host, so the performance is inferior even if the Ascend has a 200Mhz processor in it. With a unix box, I dont need a secondary host, so the cost of an Ascend + host is more that my unix router/host no matter what kind of dinky little host you put on it. You try and tell me that an NT server with an Ascend P130 is a higher perf solution or less costly than a unix host with a card and I'll laugh so hard ..... Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous PC Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 26 12:43:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA11367 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 26 May 1996 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cesium.clock.org (cesium.clock.org [17.255.4.43]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11359; Sun, 26 May 1996 12:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cesium.clock.org id <119170-29765>; Sun, 26 May 1996 12:43:23 -0800 From: Sean Doran To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, smd@cesium.clock.org In-reply-to: dennis@etinc.com's message of Fri, 24 May 1996 14:06:49 -0400 Subject: Re: The view from here (was Re: ISDN Compression Load on CPU) References: <199605241806.OAA01368@etinc.com> Message-Id: <96May26.124323pdt.119170-29765+19@cesium.clock.org> Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 12:43:18 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis writes: Dennis> All of the routers on the market are just Dennis> basically PCs, in one form or another. Cisco Dennis> OS is just a hacked up unix os, so what your Dennis> really saying is that the guys at cisco write Dennis> better code than you do. Well, your inaccuracies need correcting. Firstly, "IOS" (a name I hate) is not like UNIX in just about any respect you'd care to think about. In particular, there is no preemptive scheduling, processes are free to walk all over each other's memory, there is a very weak distinction between user space and kernel space (in particular, a crash in a process will usually take the whole system out), and there is no facility for adding in processes which are not linked at compile time. IOS is, pretty simply, a very specialized single program controlling a hardware system. That it happens to multitask internally doesn't really change this. The easiest comparison between IOS and another OS would probably have to do with TOPS-20, but that's largely because of the interface that human users see. The value of IOS is, IMO, essentially equal to the value of the people coding. Dave Katz, Ravi Chandra, Paul Traina (who plays with FreeBSD, I note), Greg Christy, the late Tony Li and a number of others are certainly much better at coding things having to do with such esoterica as IS:IS, BGP4 and flinging IPv4 packets around too quickly than anyone else I know anywhere. I'm not sure I'd trust them to play with "a hacked up unix os", or certain other guts in IOS, but that is not what they do. Conversely, what they do is not what anyone else on this list does unless he also works for Cisco or its competitors including 3Com, Bad Notworks or the gated consortium (and even then, gated people do not generally play with anything more than the routing protocols and getting routing information propagated into the kernel). "All of the routers on the market are just basically PCs" is, I hope, rhetorical licence, as it's pretty obviously untrue. No high end router I can think of except perhaps the current generation of Cisco 7500s (one RSP, no smart interface cards) is very much like a PC at all. On the low end, you're right, though, except you have to get to the very low end before you get to "routers" that _really_ are PCs, without more than a tiny amount of specialized hardware goo. (I think of Netblazers here). There are definite and obvious advantages to being able to use a UNIX-using PC (or Sun SPARC) as a low-to- moderate-end router. Making up stories about Cisco products in particular is not necessary to prove that point, and it doesn't really detract from the obvious disadvantages of using a PC instead of a dedicated router, both technical and non-technical. Sean. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Public Key in ftp://ftp.sprintlink.net/engineer/smd/pgpkey iQCVAwUBMai0JESWYarrFs6xAQExjQP+MpvJhFgD2A+NIjk0eYJspkiR6+rmL4x0 z6L9wP85PKnNHniPZHR/RpiQFzT//fx0TlcuOiZuN9ZNSquWro3NjLmehSJOjOgi Ui8jijzjnU53d18iGuWx6AbkDqZk5D3QQoH8ImEpIpAUImT6irq9zQqCaaUNzSil 8qFrtNCM3Nc= =sDAk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 26 12:57:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA12143 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 26 May 1996 12:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toplink1.toplink.net (toplink1.toplink.net [194.163.120.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12138; Sun, 26 May 1996 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ck@localhost) by toplink1.toplink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA29941; Sun, 26 May 1996 21:56:35 +0200 From: Christian Kratzer Message-Id: <199605261956.VAA29941@toplink1.toplink.net> Subject: Cyclom 8 port compatible, irq problem To: hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 21:56:35 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I posted a couple of weeks back about problems with a Cyclom 8 port card. Well I still have not got the sucker running and thought I'd ask for pointers one last time before dumping the card any buying an orignal cyclom product. (I now finally know of a dealer here in Germany) The card is supposed to be fully compatible with the cyclom 8 port card. The manufacturer is Decision computers http://www.decision.com/. Here's how far I got. The dos program checks the card and says its ok. The dealer says the card works under linux with their cyclom driver. The card is detected ok May 25 17:39:14 toplink5 /kernel: cy0 irq 15 maddr 0xd8000 msize 8192 on isa but it does not throw any interrupts. i.e. it does not show up in vmstat -i When I try to talk to a connected modem characters just end up in the outbound queue but nothing happens. ck@toplink5: {8} pstat -t | grep cuac cuac0 0 0 26 1296 256 28 OCcBa 0 0 term cuac1 0 0 22 1296 256 24 OCcBa 0 0 term I don't think it's a hardware Problem as I am currently dual booting dos and freebsd 2.1r on the test machine. The dos test programs detects the card and says it's ok. I now have following questions to the world ;-) - Is anybody else using a Decision Computers Card ? - Do I need some kind of special cabling ? The modems run fine of normal sio ports. I run my modems with AT&F&D3&C1S0=1 - Do I need any special stty settings to get it started ? - One theory of mine is that there is some minor difference to the "real" cyclom Product in initialising the card and getting it to trigger interrupts. Any tips on what I should look out for ? - Where in the kernel should I start tracing to check if the irq has really been registered ? Or can I safely assume that the card is not triggering any interrupts. Greetings Christian -- TopLink GbR, Internet Services info@toplink.net Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.net/ Phone: +49 7452 87174 Fax: +49 7452 87175 FreeBSD spoken here! From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 06:31:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA12223 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA12160 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 06:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.haplink.co.cn (www.haplink.co.cn [202.96.192.52]) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA07832 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 21:37:05 GMT Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by www.haplink.co.cn (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA05045 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 May 1995 22:30:47 +0900 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 22:30:47 +0900 From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199505271330.WAA05045@www.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: How to setup majordomo Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have got perl5.001 and majordome-1.93 and read carefully inside the README & FAQ files and tried many times to modify the Makefile to suit my OS--FreeBSD2.1-STABLE but unfortunetly until now I have NOT let it go. Who there has the experience on setting up it? Would you please show me a light? Can you express a little extensive for my poor english understanding? Best regards! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 09:02:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21595 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 09:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21590; Mon, 27 May 1996 09:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08426; Mon, 27 May 1996 12:08:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 12:08:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199605271608.MAA08426@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: ISDN Pri: Back to the subject please Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> Having said that, I don't want people to get the impression that this is a >> FreeBSD vs. Ascend religious war. This about making an ISDN solution with >> FreeBSD. >You'll need a Q.920/Q.921 LAPD level-2 protocol to run on the 64kb/s D >channel to carry frame back and forth between the ISDN terminal and >the switch. Certainly the HDLC implementation would be done in the >hardware interface, but there are also some higher-level X.25-like >transport stuff going on in here, too. > >Then you'll need a Q.930/Q.931 level-3 protocol stack for actually >communicating call processing events between the switch and the ISDN >terminal. I believe this is where you'll find a variety of different, >switch-specific implementation differences to deal with. > >I think this is where the real challange is. Once you've managed to >get the ISDN call running, you can hack it into your existing PPP >stack without huge differences and away you go. That why I was >interested in what sort of software development kits might be >available, and the status of the drivers. My past experience has been >that there are no real freely available ISDN signalling stacks >available, so either you roll your own from scratch or license it from >someone else. So you write one. Big f*cking deal. If you license software you lose, cause the good stuff isnt available. It isnt any more difficult to do then anything else, except you have to come up with the bucks for a test bed. Has anyone looked into existing ISDN PRI boards with embedded code? (like ISDN systems has one). It'll cost more that SDLs board but it exists and has been shipping for awhile, plus i believe it comes with code and a usable API (not sure how much of it is OS level). I've thought about it myself but Im up to my elbows at this point.....not to bad mouth my competitors too much but they've never written a usable protocol stack and aren't likely to be much help in writing a driver, so the task might be excruciating. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 11:36:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA01725 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01671 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id OAA03111; Mon, 27 May 1996 14:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199605271833.OAA03111@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: How to setup majordomo To: xiyuan@www.haplink.co.cn (xiyuan qian) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 14:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199505271330.WAA05045@www.haplink.co.cn> from xiyuan qian at "May 27, 95 10:30:47 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk xiyuan qian writes: > Hi, I have got perl5.001 and majordome-1.93 and read carefully inside the README & FAQ files and tried many times to modify the Makefile to suit my OS--FreeBSD2.1-STABLE but unfortunetly until now I have NOT let it go. Who there has the experience on setting up it? Would you please show me a light? Can you express a little extensive for my poor english understanding? > Best regards! Here are the diffs against my version of majordomo-1.93 and the distribution. If you were having trouble compiling wrapper.c, the included patch will fix that. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions diff -rc /u1/jc/majordomo-1.93/Makefile ./Makefile *** /u1/jc/majordomo-1.93/Makefile Sat Jan 7 13:06:48 1995 --- ./Makefile Wed Apr 19 13:58:26 1995 *************** *** 19,33 **** # # This is where "wrapper" looks for the programs it's supposed to run. ! W_BIN=/tools/majordomo-1.93 # This is the environment that (along with LOGNAME and USER inherited from the # parent process, and without the leading "W_" in the variable names) gets # passed to processes run by "wrapper" ! W_PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb W_HOME=${W_BIN} ! W_SHELL=/bin/csh W_MAJORDOMO_CF=$(W_BIN)/majordomo.cf # Use these settings for BSD-based systems, including SunOS 4.x. If you're --- 19,33 ---- # # This is where "wrapper" looks for the programs it's supposed to run. ! W_BIN=/usr/local/majordomo-1.93 # This is the environment that (along with LOGNAME and USER inherited from the # parent process, and without the leading "W_" in the variable names) gets # passed to processes run by "wrapper" ! W_PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin W_HOME=${W_BIN} ! W_SHELL=/bin/tcsh W_MAJORDOMO_CF=$(W_BIN)/majordomo.cf # Use these settings for BSD-based systems, including SunOS 4.x. If you're *************** *** 45,52 **** # and comment out the BSD settings above. # # ! W_UID = 54 ! W_GID = 54 W_CHOWN=root W_CHMOD=4755 WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ --- 45,52 ---- # and comment out the BSD settings above. # # ! W_UID = 1 ! W_GID = 99 W_CHOWN=root W_CHMOD=4755 WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ diff -rc /u1/jc/majordomo-1.93/wrapper.c ./wrapper.c *** /u1/jc/majordomo-1.93/wrapper.c Sat Jan 7 12:28:00 1995 --- ./wrapper.c Wed Apr 19 13:59:25 1995 *************** *** 14,19 **** --- 14,20 ---- #endif #include + #include #ifndef STRCHR # define STRCHR(s,c) strchr(s,c) *************** *** 96,102 **** #if defined(SETGROUP) /* renounce any previous group memberships if we are running as root */ if (geteuid() == 0) { /* Should I exit if this test fails? */ ! char setgroups_used = "setgroups_was_included"; /* give strings a hint */ int groups[] = { POSIX_GID, 0 }; if (setgroups(1, groups) != 0) { --- 97,103 ---- #if defined(SETGROUP) /* renounce any previous group memberships if we are running as root */ if (geteuid() == 0) { /* Should I exit if this test fails? */ ! char *setgroups_used = "setgroups_was_included"; /* give strings a hint */ int groups[] = { POSIX_GID, 0 }; if (setgroups(1, groups) != 0) { From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 12:10:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03816 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netpc.com (root@netpc.com [206.7.246.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03802 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by netpc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA22695; Mon, 27 May 1996 14:17:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 14:17:03 -0500 (CDT) From: root To: freebsd-isp Subject: Accounting softare Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know what is available for accouting for freebsd. thanks, Sam ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full Service Internet Provider| NETPC | Contact Us By Email Custom Web Page Development | Long Grove,IL | ================== Network Consulting | (847)540-6209 Sales | sales@netpc.com Complete Business Solutions |(847)540-6035 Fax & Data| sysadmin@netpc.com | Monday-Friday 8-5pm | webmaster@netpc.com Get Connected To I-NET Today! | Sat 8-12 Sun 12-4 | support@netpc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 12:13:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04022 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netpc.com (root@netpc.com [206.7.246.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04014 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 12:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by netpc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA22703; Mon, 27 May 1996 14:19:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 14:19:32 -0500 (CDT) From: root To: freebsd-isp Subject: PPP Server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone help with the setup of how to have bsd answer the phone lines and take ppp/slip/cslip connections . i have 2 class c's of ip's and want to have some callers get dynamic and some get static ip's i have 4 boca 16 port boards and i also have xylogics terminal servers here. I want to get it going on the boca cards first..... any help on how to get this setup would be greatly appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full Service Internet Provider| NETPC | Contact Us By Email Custom Web Page Development | Long Grove,IL | ================== Network Consulting | (847)540-6209 Sales | sales@netpc.com Complete Business Solutions |(847)540-6035 Fax & Data| sysadmin@netpc.com | Monday-Friday 8-5pm | webmaster@netpc.com Get Connected To I-NET Today! | Sat 8-12 Sun 12-4 | support@netpc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 13:23:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA08256 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MediaCity.com (root@easy1.mediacity.com [205.216.172.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08250; Mon, 27 May 1996 13:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brian@localhost) by MediaCity.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA21234; Mon, 27 May 1996 13:22:17 -0700 From: Brian Litzinger Message-Id: <199605272022.NAA21234@MediaCity.com> Subject: Re: ISDN Pri: Back to the subject please To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 13:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605271608.MAA08426@etinc.com> from Dennis at "May 27, 96 12:08:29 pm" Reply-To: brian@MediaCity.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dennis wrote: > Has anyone looked into existing ISDN PRI boards with embedded code? > (like ISDN systems has one). It'll cost more that SDLs board but it exists > and has been shipping for awhile, plus i believe it comes with code and a > usable API (not sure how much of it is OS level). I've thought about it > myself but Im up to my elbows at this point.....not to bad mouth my > competitors too much but they've never written a usable protocol stack > and aren't likely to be much help in writing a driver, so the task might > be excruciating. I've looked into using the FutureTel Telemux (PRI/3BRI) card. ($1400 I think). But they just aren't interested in supporting it in Non-DOS environments. (actually the DOS support is lacking too.) -- Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD http[s]://www.mpress.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 14:07:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12100 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 14:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12073 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id RAA04291; Mon, 27 May 1996 17:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199605272106.RAA04291@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: PPP Server To: root@netpc.com (root) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 17:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from root at "May 27, 96 02:19:32 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk root writes: > > Can anyone help with the setup of how to have bsd answer the phone lines > and take ppp/slip/cslip connections . i have 2 class c's of ip's and want > to have some callers get dynamic and some get static ip's i have 4 boca > 16 port boards and i also have xylogics terminal servers here. I want to > get it going on the boca cards first..... > You're not going to like this but... First, become /very/ familiar with pppd or ppp and sliplogin. If you can't get them to work properly under controlled conditions there is no sense in going any further. Buy a Portmaster or more Xylogics and save yourself a lot of grief. Basically you have to write some scripts that exec ppp/pppd/sliplogin with the proper arguments. The script is the login shell for your dial-up IP users. Scripts for static IP users could be as simple as one script per user with the IP address in the script. Or you could use a common script and look up the IP address based on the users logname. Perl would be good for this. Dynamic IP is a bit more difficult. The folks that I have talked to that actually made it work and were satisfied with the scheme used an IP address based on the tty port the login is on. Any other scheme for picking the address to use has race conditions that have to be dealt with. There is no easy way to do this on the scale you are talking about. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 17:16:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12171 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 17:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tchnet.tchnet.com (tchnet.tchnet.com [198.109.196.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12151 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dashadow@localhost) by tchnet.tchnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA17200; Mon, 27 May 1996 20:16:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 20:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hart To: John Capo cc: root , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP Server In-Reply-To: <199605272106.RAA04291@irbs.irbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 May 1996, John Capo wrote: > Basically you have to write some scripts that exec ppp/pppd/sliplogin > with the proper arguments. The script is the login shell for your > dial-up IP users. > It really isn't all that hard, and doesn't require much detail. > Scripts for static IP users could be as simple as one script per > user with the IP address in the script. Or you could use a common > script and look up the IP address based on the users logname. Perl > would be good for this. > Again, this can be taken care of much easier. > Dynamic IP is a bit more difficult. The folks that I have talked > to that actually made it work and were satisfied with the scheme > used an IP address based on the tty port the login is on. Any > other scheme for picking the address to use has race conditions > that have to be dealt with. > Much easier to do than you think, John. First, as a login shell use /usr/sbin/pppd. Then, in /etc/ppp create one file for each tty that has a modem connected to it. These files will be called options.ttyd# where # is the dialin #. In these files place a colon followed by the ip address of that tty. For example: :198.109.196.100 That ip address is now assigned to that tty as a static for that tty. This is useful because: #1 - It allows users with a personal dialin to have a static ip. #2 - It sets up the dynamic ip addresses for all other users. If you have a user that does not have a personal dialin and needs a static ip, then add a ~(username)/.ppprc file and in there place the same as above in it. The last file you will need is a /etc/ppp/options file. In there the following should get you working: crtscts modem proxyarp debug -detach 198.109.196.2: netmask 255.255.255.0 If you follow the steps above you should be online within a few hours. I know this works with your setup, also, because we also use Boca 16 Port Boards, and even have Boca Rack-Mount modems. If you have any trouble, drop me some mail. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Hart, System Administrator Technet Internet Services dashadow@tchnet.com (517)796-8200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 18:36:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18232 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 18:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18187 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id VAA07089; Mon, 27 May 1996 21:34:39 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199605280134.VAA07089@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: PPP Server To: dashadow@tchnet.tchnet.com (John Hart) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 21:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jc@irbs.com, root@netpc.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from John Hart at "May 27, 96 08:16:08 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Hart writes: > On Mon, 27 May 1996, John Capo wrote: > > First, as a login shell use /usr/sbin/pppd. Then, in /etc/ppp create one > file for each tty that has a modem connected to it. These files will be > called options.ttyd# where # is the dialin #. In these files place a > colon followed by the ip address of that tty. For example: The options.ttydn scheme is nice. I was not aware of that one. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 19:18:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21466 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 19:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misha.net (delta.wwa.com [204.120.206.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21450 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 19:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.120.206.102] by misha.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA06843; Mon, 27 May 1996 21:15:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 21:15:22 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, www-security@ns2.Rutgers.EDU From: skat@misha.net (Shin Katsumata) Subject: emailing from chroot to non-chroot Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running Apache server on FreeBSD in chrooted environment. Everything seem to be running, but I am having problem running a form processing CGI. The CGI uses "sendmail" to send the information to an email account. The program works if httpd is running in the non-chrooted environment. I believe problem is with sending a email from chrooted environment to non-chrooted environment on same machine (since this machine is not connected to internet yet, I cannot test to see if I could email to another machine from chrooted environment). My question is what mail processing program could I use to send email from chrooted to non-chrooted environment? If I should use "sendmail" how should it be configured on chrooted and non-chrooted enviroment? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Shin =================================== Shin Katsumata email: skat@misha.net www: http://www.misha.net/~skat/index.html From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 20:28:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA26089 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 20:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA26083 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 20:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA06776; Mon, 27 May 1996 19:44:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 20:27:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Shin Katsumata cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, www-security@ns2.Rutgers.EDU Subject: Re: emailing from chroot to non-chroot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 May 1996, Shin Katsumata wrote: > machine from chrooted environment). My question is what mail processing > program could I use to send email from chrooted to non-chrooted > environment? PERL with the chat.pl package or the Chat module. Just connect to the SMTP port on another local machine and relay the mail through it. Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 06:02:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA25162 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 06:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from katy.apana.org.au (katy.apana.org.au [202.12.89.57]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25155 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 06:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from davo@localhost) by katy.apana.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA01774 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 28 May 1996 22:18:47 +0930 From: Dave Edwards Message-Id: <199605281248.WAA01774@katy.apana.org.au> Subject: User PPP failing. To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 22:18:46 +0930 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We seem to be having a problem with user ppp on our dialin lines. I look after an intel FreeBSD machine running 2.1.0-Release. We have 2 cyclades 16ye boards with about 18 modems of various types attached so far. I compiled a kernel with 20 tun devices and 20 slip devices for our use but we are having lots of trouble with dialin PPP. The slip interfaces work fine. The error occures just after the user logs in. They get: > Starting PPP for cuac0 > can't find ifindex. > oen_tun: Device not configured and the line drops of course.. ifconfig -a only show 12 tun devices configured which is a bit suspect. Is there a hard limmit on the number of slip/ppp/tun devices we can use? The devices are there, I made 20 in /dev. We can sometimes get up to three people in with PPP before it fails. But can't predict when it will fail. At the moment we have only one on and all other attempts are failing :( So far I have tried upping maxusers to 15 and 4 other kernels with different numbers of devices with no better luck. I'm about to install a kernel now with 20 ppp devices in case we have to move over to kernel ppp (which will be a last resort..) Any ideas folks?? ciao dave -- Dave Edwards davo@katy.apana.org.au || davo@frisbee.net.au Adelaide, South Australia ---- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 07:12:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02279 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 07:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02271; Tue, 28 May 1996 07:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id EAA04403 ; Tue, 28 May 1996 04:53:17 -0700 Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uOLmt-000QZAC; Tue, 28 May 96 12:14 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA23196; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:47:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199605280947.LAA23196@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: ISDN Pri: Back to the subject please To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:47:08 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, isdn@muc.ditec.de (FreeBSD ISDN Distribution List) In-Reply-To: <199605271608.MAA08426@etinc.com> from "Dennis" at May 27, 96 12:08:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dennis writes: > > Has anyone looked into existing ISDN PRI boards with embedded code? > (like ISDN systems has one). It'll cost more that SDLs board but it > exists and has been shipping for awhile, plus i believe it comes > with code and a usable API (not sure how much of it is OS > level). I've thought about it myself but Im up to my elbows at this > point.....not to bad mouth my competitors too much but they've never > written a usable protocol stack and aren't likely to be much help in > writing a driver, so the task might be excruciating. No, I haven't heard of this one. Can you give me a pointer? Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 09:14:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10743 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10710 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA05040 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 07:26:40 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA00247; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:24:00 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605281424.JAA00247@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: User PPP failing. To: davo@katy.apana.org.au (Dave Edwards) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 09:23:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605281248.WAA01774@katy.apana.org.au> from "Dave Edwards" at May 28, 96 10:18:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > We seem to be having a problem with user ppp on our dialin lines. There are some hard coded constants in ppp that are problematic. Look for a number (I think 32) set for the max number of interfaces ppp will try to get with the ioctl to get the interface list. I bumped this to 1024 and had fewer problems :-) -current code has better support for doing > 9 tun devices via ppp. Fetch and recompile ppp from -current.. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 12:07:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21854 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21837 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA07398 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:02:43 -0700 Received: from cioeserv.cioe.com (cioeserv.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id MAA28727 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by cioeserv.cioe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA13644 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:01:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:01:58 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199605281901.OAA13644@cioeserv.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to setup majordomo Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any hope of getting a majordomo port into the ports distribution? -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 14:08:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29192 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29169 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-132.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.132]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA08226 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 13:48:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01417 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:36:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199605281236.OAA01417@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The view from here (was Re: ISDN Compression Load on CPU) From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 May 1996 11:52:45 PDT." <199605241852.LAA20913@Root.COM> Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:36:53 +0200 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reference: > From: David Greenman > Jordan's talking about other quality issues, like a poorly designed bus an - d > rail design that allows for cards to become unseated fairly easily and the > general lack of quality with 99.9% of the motherboards on the market. In this > case, I'm refering to poor Q/A at the factory (bad cache ram, etc), poor Yes, Anyone who thinks PCs are OK should buy an electronics friend a beer, & ask for a comparison of typical industrial electronics with typical PC electronics. PC `quality' meets a market that is cut-throat, low budget, & uneducated. Systems engineering standards are not applied, result:- - Low quality tinned sockets, that allow cache ICs to work loose, (not often one sees turned gold plated sockets on PC boards). - Keyboard sockets straight on main board, allowing physical stress from plugging & knocking. - Non gold plated bus connectors & dip jumper headers, & ram sockets. - Pcb bus edge connectors instead of VME/DIP gold plated steel pin connectors. - Insufficiently physically supported long LocalBus cards, - Simplistic power ground = safety ground = emmission screen ground. - Undercooled badly machined boxes. etc PCs are very cheap, but with the `shake it & die' nature of PC hardware, I reccomended a putative customer an internal server box, an external firewall box, + 3rd cold standby box, as 3 PCs (inc. software) are still cheaper than 2 Sun/HP type boxes). Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 15:07:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA05375 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05304; Tue, 28 May 1996 15:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA08808 ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:40:47 -0700 Received: from InfoWest.COM ([204.17.177.10]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id JAA25354; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agifford (zaketh.uv.com [204.17.177.95]) by InfoWest.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09276; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:09:24 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960528165727.00d346b8@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:57:27 -0600 To: questions@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: Nantoma/EDO vs. Orion/FPM for PPro performance? Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hola! Here's a few PPro questions... Rumor has it that the Orion chipset (Intel's 82450KX/GX PCIset), even with the B0 stepping that fixed Orion's SLOW PCI bus performance, still has some sort of PCI performance problems. Can anyone confirm or deny? Now for Orion vs. Nantoma questions... How does an Orion-based motherboard using FPM (Fast Page Mode) RAM in a 2:1 interleaving memory configuration (as supported by the '450KX) compare against a comparable Nantoma-based (Intel's 82440 PCIset) motherboard using EDO or BEDO RAM without interleaving? What about an Orion board with a 4:1 interleaved configuration (as supported by the '450GX)? Does anyone have FreeBSD-2.1R or FreeBSD-2.1-stable running on a Nantoma or Orion board? I've been looking at building a FreeBSD system based on an ASUS P/I P6RP4 motherboard ('450KX PCIset) and a 2:1 interleaved FPM RAM config. I'm also tempted to use a SuperMicro Suggestions, comments, caveats, warnings, questions, debate, etc. encouraged! :) Thanks, Aaron Gifford --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- Aaron D. Gifford InfoWest, 1845 W. Sunset Blvd, St. George, UT 84770 InfoWest Networking Phone: (801) 674-0165 FAX: (801) 673-9734 Visit InfoWest at: "http://www.infowest.com/" ICBM: 37.07847 N, 113.57858 W "Southern Utah's Finest Network Connection" --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 15:14:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07377 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 15:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07281; Tue, 28 May 1996 15:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from InfoWest.COM (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA06257 ; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:41:42 -0700 Received: from agifford (zaketh.uv.com [204.17.177.95]) by InfoWest.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09036; Tue, 28 May 1996 10:53:27 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960528164129.00b40d1c@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:41:29 -0600 To: questions@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: Support for BusLogic BT958? (SCSI III UltraWide) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! Is there/will there be support for BusLogic's MultiMaster 958 PCI SCSI UltraWide controller? It is my understanding that the BT958 is a superior SCSI UltraWide controller. Does anyone know if this is true/false? How does it compare against Adaptec's 2940UW? Sincerely, Aaron Gifford --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- Aaron D. Gifford InfoWest, 1845 W. Sunset Blvd, St. George, UT 84770 InfoWest Networking Phone: (801) 674-0165 FAX: (801) 673-9734 Visit InfoWest at: "http://www.infowest.com/" ICBM: 37.07847 N, 113.57858 W "Southern Utah's Finest Network Connection" --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 19:03:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24250 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 19:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24245; Tue, 28 May 1996 19:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA09834; Tue, 28 May 1996 19:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605290203.TAA09834@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Aaron D. Gifford" cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for BusLogic BT958? (SCSI III UltraWide) In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 28 May 96 10:41:29 -0600. <2.2.32.19960528164129.00b40d1c@infowest.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 19:03:05 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Is there/will there be support for BusLogic's MultiMaster 958 PCI SCSI >UltraWide controller? It is my understanding that the BT958 is a superior >SCSI UltraWide controller. Does anyone know if this is true/false? How >does it compare against Adaptec's 2940UW? The bt driver has always supported the BT958, even before it existed. :-) The bt driver supports *every* BusLogic SCSI controller, with the same interface, except the new FlashPoint controllers. Consult http://www.buslogic.com/ if you need help telling the difference... There have been a whole ton of posts on this, already (especially in the last couple months on current-users and/or port-i386@NetBSD.org -- you might want to see if it's in the archives over there). The Adaptec is a more modern design with lower command overhead. On very fast drives, on a very fast system, it has the potential to be faster. On my system (cheap drives, 486), I doubt I'd know the difference (I use the BusLogic BT747 EISA controller). The BusLogic is an excellent quality controller, but the technology in the BT742-based designs (which includes the BT958) is older than the Adaptec 2xxx controllers, being more like the Adaptec 174x. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 22:49:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08162 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 22:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08154 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 22:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA23722 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 May 1996 00:53:59 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199605290053.AAA23722@ecpi.com> Subject: UPS for freebsd? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:53:59 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am planning to put UPS for my freebsd box (2.0.5). Is there any preferred UPS to be used with the box? What is involved in putting UPS? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Tushar From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 01:12:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA17155 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 01:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fisbin.remuda.com (fisbin.remuda.com [199.238.225.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17131; Wed, 29 May 1996 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scotto@localhost) by fisbin.remuda.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA01656; Wed, 29 May 1996 01:11:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 01:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Overholser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Subject: SOLVED-->Re: sendmail read errors/timeouts etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk thanks all for the suggestions. some of you spent more than a few token cycles on this problem for me - thanks. the short answer is that i was running with an mtu of 296 via my 28.8 connection. the 296 was a relic from the 14.4 days. anyway, i changed it to 1500 and the problems are gone - it was like flipping a switch. the problem began when i replaced my rusty linux box running slip with the freebsd box running ppp. the troublesome sites apparently blocked tcp frags improperly (i know very little about implementing firewalls). i verified that with the nintendo folks. i can only guess about microsoft and msn. regardless, my problem is gone. thanks, scotto On Fri, 17 May 1996, Scott Overholser wrote: > sorry for spamming all these lists. i turned up hits on all of them when > i searched the mailing list archives. > > i recently replaced my email gateway with a freebsd 2.1.0 box. prior to > that it was a linux box (different hardware) running sendmail 8.6.11 and > 100% trouble free. now though, i am seeing sendmail errors when sending to > a few select sites. in addition, i see them when i receive from the same > sites. > > the troublesome sites (that i know of) are microsoft.com, msn.com, and > noa.com. i *absolutely* cannot send mail to recipient@microsoft.com or > recipient@noa.com. i seem to be able to send mail to recipient@msn.com > but i cannot receive mail from msn.com. mail to/from other sites is no > problem. > > here are some sample messages (although based on my search through the > archives, many of you have seen them before): > ---------->%snip>%---------- > com. [205.166.76.99], stat=Deferred: Operation timed out during client QUIT with > bowser.noa.com. > > m. [131.107.3.23], stat=Deferred: Connection reset by peer during client QUIT wi > th abash1.microsoft.com. > > May 15 00:31:17 fisbin sendmail[566]: XAA00566: SYSERR(root): collect: read time > out on connection from upsmot02.msn.com, from= > ---------->%snip>%---------- > > there are many more...mostly from the same sites though. i've checked > everything i can think of - dns config, resolver config, sendmail config > (cranked the timeouts absurdly high). nothing phases the problem. i don't > suspect hardware because of the number of posts from others having the > same problem. > > oh yeah, i also turned on sendmail logging and waded through that mess. it > looks like all the mail is xferred to the remote host on outbound mail and > xferred to my host on inbound mail but it dies on the QUIT. > > the really strange thing is that i don't get the errors when sending > directly to some hosts at microsoft. for example, if i send mail to > a-scotov@microsoft.com i may as well beat my head against a wall. on the > other hand, if i send the mail to a-scotov@exchange.microsoft.com the mail > is delivered (and i can send mail from a-scotov@exchange.microsoft.com to > scotto@remuda.com) - in case you hadn't guessed, i earn my daily bread at > microsoft. the difference between the two addresses is that the > exchange.microsoft.com address is an experimental mail server running > various stable builds of ms exchange. the microsoft.com address is the main > corporate gateway(s) running the shipping version of microsoft exchange. > > well, enough gab. does anyone have a solution to this problem?! this is > growing old. i know there are lots of folks out there on these mailing lists > that have had this problem. > > the only real answer suggested in the responses was from david greenman "these > are likely caused by transient connectivity hickups on the internet and can > almost certainly be ignored." however, i've gotta agree with john brogan who > said (over a year ago - with freebsd 1.1.5.1) "about 15 or 16 systems have > had this exact same problem...about 7,000 have not had any problems..." that's > exactly what i'm seeing (sort of). mail works but for a few sites - which > unfortunately i must correspond with on a daily basis. > > i confess a certain discomfort in suspecting the os rather than sendmail. > however, i've used sendmail for a long time and never experienced anything > like this without being able to attribute it to something i can sink my teeth > into. i certainly have a problem swallowing "transient network errors" > especially when the mail archives are peppered with posts from folks asking > the same question for over a year - not to mention the fact that i can send > email to/from sites other than the troublesome ones mentioned above whilst > my netbsd and linux running comrades don't seem to be experiencing any of > these troubles (i happen to be alone in running freebsd amonst a sea of > linux'ers and netbsd'ers). > > well, sorry for the spam, the length, and above all - the quasi-soapbox. > > if anyone at all has taken the time to read this fully, i appreciate it and > hope for a speedy solution. this weekend i'll probably switch the scsi ids > on my external drives and install netbsd to see if it fares any better in > sending mail to recip@microsoft.com et al. > > thanks > scotto > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 04:42:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA28674 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 04:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA28638; Wed, 29 May 1996 04:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00638; Wed, 29 May 1996 21:23:03 +1000 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:23:03 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199605291123.VAA00638@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, scotto@remuda.com Subject: Re: SOLVED-->Re: sendmail read errors/timeouts etc. Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >the short answer is that i was running with an mtu of 296 via my 28.8 >connection. >... >the troublesome sites apparently blocked tcp frags improperly (i know very >little about implementing firewalls). i verified that with the nintendo >folks. i can only guess about microsoft and msn. regardless, my problem >is gone. Some microsoft networks are reported to respond incorrectly to mtu discovery packets. Bruce From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 09:43:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17439 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 09:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worldcom.ch (ns.worldcom.ch [194.51.96.111]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17431 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 09:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nino.ironside.com by worldcom.ch (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA13802; Wed, 29 May 1996 18:44:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:44:17 +0200 Message-Id: <199605291644.SAA13802@worldcom.ch> X-Sender: johnson@mail.planet.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Scott Johnson Subject: New Member Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am thinking of starting up as an ISP and would like to know what you think would be the best starting configuration. I would probably start with about 20 to 30 lines in Southern California. Thanks, Scott johnson@planet.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 11:53:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24976 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 11:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enetis.net (enet1.enetis.net [206.31.204.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24970 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enet1 (localhost.enetis.net [127.0.0.1]) by enetis.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10051; Wed, 29 May 1996 12:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <31AC9D73.59E2B600@enetis.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:54:43 -0600 From: Justin England Organization: E-Net Information Services (605-341-ENET) X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Johnson CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Member References: <199605291644.SAA13802@worldcom.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would consider against setting one up in So Cal. I moved out of So Cal just to start up my ISP outside of CA. All I can say is that ISPs come and go in Orange County. Just my .02 worth Justin England E-Net Information Services jengland@enetis.net http://www.enetis.net Scott Johnson wrote: > > I am thinking of starting up as an ISP and would like to know what you think > would be the best starting configuration. I would probably start with about > 20 to 30 lines in Southern California. > > Thanks, > > Scott > johnson@planet.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 12:19:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27059 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 12:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from feyuri.microsoft.com (feyuri.microsoft.com [131.107.243.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27050 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 12:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by feyuri.microsoft.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.961.0) id <01BB4D58.C193CB90@feyuri.microsoft.com>; Wed, 29 May 1996 12:17:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Scott Overholser (Volt Computer) (Exchange)" To: "'Tushar Patel'" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: UPS for freebsd? Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 10:18:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.961.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1) subscribe to the ups mailing list for some good info from time to time. it is very low volume but i've seen some good information on it. the address of the list is: upsd-list@ww.net. i think it's a majordomo list so you'd be able to get info by sending mail to majordomo@ww.net. 2) you can hook up your ups two different ways. one way is to just plug it in and forget about it. the other way is to wire it up via a serial port so your box will shut down automatically in the event of a power failure. of course the second option presumes you've got a ups with battery and serial interface. i've never bothered to wire it up myself... check out ftp.ww.net/pub/wildwind/upsd/ i've never looked there so i can't vouch for what you find. scotto p.s. the linux folks have (or used to have) a pretty good howto describing how to prepare your system for a new ups and how to connect the interface - much of it is not os dependant. >---------- >From: Tushar Patel[SMTP:tushar@ecpi.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 1996 5:53 PM >To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >Subject: UPS for freebsd? > > >Hi, > >I am planning to put UPS for my freebsd box (2.0.5). Is there any preferred >UPS to be used with the box? What is involved in putting UPS? > >Any help will be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Tushar > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 15:17:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13195 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13188 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00207; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:15:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Computer disappears from the network, then reappears...? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is strange... Has anyone else seen this happen? Last night one of the machines I admin, spock.edmweb.com [204.244.190.2] went down, or so it seemed. I (inside the LAN) was unable to ping Spock, and another person outside was also unable to ping that machine. I went to the console today fully expecting I would have to reboot the machine, but when I got there everything was fine... It had never actually gone down. uptime showed it had never crashed and/or rebooted. All of the processes were still running. The log files showed nothing out of the ordinary, and syslog had placed it's mark messages at the proper intervals. It appears as though the machine lost it's network connection (ethernet) then got it back... netstat -in shows a few hundred 'Oerrors' which seems to confirm that the network connection was lost. The machine is a 16-meg Pentium 100 with Asus Triton motherboard and SCSI-II hard drive on an Adaptec 2940. The ethernet card is an SMC EtherPower 10/100 in 10 mbps (standard ethernet) mode. There is a Cyclades Cyclom 8yo installed, which is not really being used yet. Running FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE with the /sys/netinet/in_rmx.c from -stable to correct the Proxy ARP bug. The only thing the machine was really doing at the time was hosting the Chatnet IRC bots. The bots disappeared from IRC, and when the connection came back they were still gone from IRC, but their proccesses were still running. I would guess maybe this is an ARP problem, but I don't know. I've never seen it happen before. Has anyone else seen this? ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 18:44:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA10352 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 18:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aussie.net (root@wombat.aussie.net [203.17.14.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10343 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 18:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zappa.arksoft.com.au (zappa.aussie.net [203.17.14.69]) by aussie.net (8.6.12/ARK-1.3) with SMTP id LAA04423 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:42:44 +1000 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:42:44 +1000 Message-Id: <199605300142.LAA04423@aussie.net> X-Org: microfish Pty Limited - Sydney, Australia X-URL: home of http://www.aussie.net/ and http://www.gpo.net/ X-Sender: andrew@aussie.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Andrew Khoo Subject: Interesting problem with finger/who Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just brought up a new FreeBSD box yesterday. This box exhibits an interesting characteristic which I still cannot put a finger on. Whenever I do a finger or who, it only lists sessions logged in on virtual consoles, that is ttyv*. However, last seems to work fine, and indicates the correct users and sessions times. Physically checking /var/run/utmp and /var/log/wtmp seems to indicate that everything is functioning correctly. I have already checked the physical programs and copied them across from a "working" system, but who still does not work. Running FreeBSD 2.1R. Anyone has any ideas? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 05:50:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA13583 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 30 May 1996 05:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA13412 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.haplink.co.cn (www.haplink.co.cn [202.96.192.52]) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA04160 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 20:56:54 GMT Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by www.haplink.co.cn (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00426 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:49:27 +0900 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:49:27 +0900 From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199505301249.VAA00426@www.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Majordomo problem Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have set up my first maillist "sample" as a test, when I sendmail to majordomo to subscribe sample, help..., only help works, give back all the help message, but subscribe not work and the more bad is always give back "memory fault", lead my host to die. My God! What's wrong? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 06:57:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28705 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 30 May 1996 06:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tommie.ngonet.be (tommie.ngonet.be [193.190.166.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28651; Thu, 30 May 1996 06:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koekiemonster.ngonet.be (koekiemonster.ngonet.be [193.190.166.75]) by tommie.ngonet.be (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00846; Thu, 30 May 1996 15:57:07 +0200 Message-ID: <31ADA94D.4A8@ngonet.be> Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:57:33 +0200 From: Gunter Loos Organization: NgoNet - Brussels X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: PPP Routing (again)] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <31AD8417.39C9@ngonet.be> Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:18:47 +0200 From: Gunter Loos Organization: NgoNet - Brussels X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: PPP Routing (again) X-URL: http://www.de.freebsd.org/support.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit