From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 10:59:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17223 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17055; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.12/1.53) id TAA07646; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:57:53 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199607011757.TAA07646@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Increasing openinfo.cachesize in pwd_mkdb (was Re: Incremental [s]pwd.db updates?) To: taob@io.org Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:57:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Jun 23, 96 10:23:31 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The diffs to support the -c switch are quite simple, if anyone is > interested in them (maybe even committing them?). I think it would be > a perfect compliment to gvr's enhancements to passwd/chpass/chfn/chsh. > I still need to edit the man page and patch vipw to pass a cachesize > parameter to pwd_mkdb. Wait a few days..I'll commit my diffs to -current then. -Guido From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 13:30:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06178 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06110; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19774; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Guido van Rooij cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Increasing openinfo.cachesize in pwd_mkdb (was Re: Incremental [s]pwd.db updates?) In-Reply-To: <199607011757.TAA07646@gvr.win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Guido van Rooij wrote: > > Wait a few days..I'll commit my diffs to -current then. I've come across some master.passwd files that cause my patched version of pwd_mkdb to segfault, but work fine with the standard binary. It may not be possible to arbitrarily set the cachesize value without tweaking some of the other parameters passed to the db hashing functions. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 16:25:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA27614 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27607 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00983; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:34:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:34:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199607012334.TAA00983@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager Cc: bsdi-users@bsdi.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The ET/BWMGR bandwidth limiter that works on Ethernet and synchronous interfaces is now available for FreeBSD and BSD/OS. The bandwidth limiter limits traffic based on IP address or network address and is particularly suitable for WEB hosting or co-located servers which require limited access to backbone bandwidth. The limiter allows multiple hosts, virtual hosts or entire networks to be limited to any bandwidth below the physical medium on one or more interfaces. Each address or network can have independent limits, allowing you to mix high and low volume customers conveniently on a single LAN. The bandwidth limiter is available as a full-featured demo that can be upgraded to a full-production product by simply obtaining an activation key from ET. The limiter is contained in our 2.2beta11 driver and requires a new utility, bwaddr for set up. The Bandwidth Limiter also keeps utilization statistics which can be viewed on the command line and stored in an ascii- delimited format with another provided utility, bwstats. The delimited output can be saved in a file and can be used to generate reports with user-created post processing scripts. There are 2 levels of activation key available. Customers which have one of our boards in the limiting PC can obtain a board-level key for $150. Stand-alone keys, which will work with any system with at least one ethernet adapter installed, are $495. Information regarding the product and on-line manuals can be found at: http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 17:54:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06025 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rip.psg.com (root@rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06020 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rip.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uatjV-0007zrC; Mon, 1 Jul 96 17:54 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 17:54 PDT To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@bsdi.com From: randy@rg.net Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager References: <199607012334.TAA00983@etinc.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not be limited to abuse of the net. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 18:36:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08737 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canopus.estinc.com (peterm@canopus.estinc.com [165.247.10.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08730 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from peterm@localhost) by canopus.estinc.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA00351; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:43:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Peter W Mountain To: randy@rg.net cc: Dennis , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You got my vote Randy !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Mountain | peterm@canopus.estinc.com Director, Business Development | Visit our Tape Backup Web page: Enhanced Software Technologies, Inc. | http://www.estinc.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 randy@rg.net wrote: > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not > be limited to abuse of the net. > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 19:17:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA11552 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA11542 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA00592; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:18:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: randy@rg.net cc: Dennis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 randy@rg.net wrote: > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not > be limited to abuse of the net. Oh, shut up! If you want to be anal retentive about this stuff go hide in a corner somewhere. Why on earth are you on a mailing list if not to learn about technology and tools that can help you do your job better. This is not a social club, ya know. We are building and running networks and to the best of my knowledge this is the *FIRST* such product available anywhere. Up until now the only way to achieve this was to buy two expensive routers and possibly a Synchronous Modem Eliminator if the routers couldn't supply clock signals. With this bandwidth limiting technology ISP's can provide cheaper Internet connectivity to customers. One scenario is to have a POP in a high-rise building and deliver precise bandwidth over in-building Ethernet. The other is to supply precise bandwith to colocated WWW servers. This is *GOOD* news and I don't like to see people shooting the messenger for it! Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 19:34:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12606 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (smartlink.net [204.118.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12598 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by warp10.smartlink.net(8.6.12/SMARTLINK-1.0) with id TAA08718 for on Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:36:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph McDonald To: randy@rg.net cc: Dennis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 randy@rg.net wrote: > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not > be limited to abuse of the net. As much as I hate spam, I have to disagree with this one. There have been a number of requests in ISP-land on how to make a "bandwidth resistor", now there is a solution, the solution was posted to a mailing list of ISP's, not to individual accounts. regards, -joe From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 21:08:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23636 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sail.wantabe.com (root@portal.wantabe.com [198.65.144.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23617 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jeffrl.wantabe.com (jeffrl.wantabe.com [198.65.155.10]) by sail.wantabe.com (8.7.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA27414; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:22:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jeffrl.wantabe.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB67A2.1161B700@jeffrl.wantabe.com>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:07:25 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB67A2.1161B700@jeffrl.wantabe.com> From: Jeffrey J Libman To: "randy@rg.net" , "'Michael Dillon'" Cc: Dennis , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "bsdi-users@bsdi.com" Subject: RE: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:04:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk thank you, michael! i was afraid i was the only one to think this = posting pretty appropriate for this list! &*) seems like 2 or 3 times a year, we see the question raised and discussed = about how to do this, and i am very happy to learn of a software = solution, where only the (expensive) hardware solution was available! cheers, jeff -------------------- Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do. -- R. A. Heinlein -------------------- Jeffrey J. Libman, ops. mgr. |\ web - = http://www.wantabe.com Wantabe, Inc. |_\ ftp - ftp.wantabe.com jeffrl@wantabe.com <----|----> mail (713) 493-0718 __,.-=3D\'`^`'~=3D-..news apache is kool! bsdi is kooler! ---------- From: Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael@memra.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 1996 2:12 PM To: randy@rg.net Cc: Dennis; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager=20 On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 randy@rg.net wrote: > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send = junk > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will = not > be limited to abuse of the net. Oh, shut up! If you want to be anal retentive about this stuff go hide in a corner somewhere. Why on earth are you on a mailing list if not to learn about technology and tools that can help you do your job better. This is not a social club, ya know. We are building and running networks and to the = best of my knowledge this is the *FIRST* such product available anywhere. Up until now the only way to achieve this was to buy two expensive routers and possibly a Synchronous Modem Eliminator if the routers couldn't = supply clock signals. With this bandwidth limiting technology ISP's can provide cheaper = Internet connectivity to customers. One scenario is to have a POP in a high-rise building and deliver precise bandwidth over in-building Ethernet. The other is to supply precise bandwith to colocated WWW servers. This is *GOOD* news and I don't like to see people shooting the messenger for = it! =20 Michael Dillon ISP & Internet = Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: = michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jul 1 22:35:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28738 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28728 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA11631 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:42:56 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199607020042.AAA11631@ecpi.com> Subject: Pleas help silo overflow with Boca-16 card? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:42:55 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am currently running 2.0.5 with boca-16 card. I have connected 8 28.8 modems on the Boca-16 card. Each "sio" is programmed for "115200" speed. I started getting following message on my console " 00:06:05 ecpi /kernel: sio5: 1 more silo overflow (total 16)" " 00:06:05 ecpi /kernel: sio11: 1 more silo overflow (total 5)" I guess I started getting above message for all the serial ports where there was some activity. After these messages the serial ports get locked an all the users connected on those ports get disconnected, it want let new users login on those ports until I specify the following on all the serial ports. stty -f /dev/ttyid5 115200 icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok -echoke\ -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -mdmbuf -flusho pendin\ -extproc -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel\ -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk opost onlcr oxtabs cread cs8 -parenb\ -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb cread crtscts stty -f /dev/ttyd5 115200 icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok -echoke\ -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -mdmbuf -flusho pendin\ -extproc -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel\ -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk opost onlcr oxtabs cread cs8 -parenb\ -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb cread crtscts Q-1. Is there any known bug I should be aware of? Q-2. Do I need to specify less speed on the ttyd* ports? may be 57600? Q-3. Do I need faster machine to process 8 28.8 modems (I have 486-66)? Any help on this subject will be great help. Thanks, Tushar (tushar@ecpi.com) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jul 2 07:02:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09553 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09547 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA16831; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:59:55 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199607021359.IAA16831@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager To: randy@rg.net, peterm@canopus.estinc.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:59:54 -0500 (CDT) Cc: dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "randy@rg.net" at Jul 1, 96 05:54:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not > be limited to abuse of the net. If you're a member of the bsdi-users list, I might agree that this was questionable content, but still within the realm of plausibility, given that so many people have been desperately looking for a product like this, it is new and innovative technology, and it was a relatively short and to the point synopsis. It was not a lengthy marketing junk email. If you're a member of the freebsd-isp list, you don't have a leg to stand on because this is something that is routinely requested by ISP's and is 1000% on topic for the list, particularly when done as tastefully as Dennis presented it. Dennis has been providing connectivity technologies in both camps for a long time. While people may not always agree with him, he has done the work and put in the time and effort and he has, in my opinion, earned the position of being someone who should be listened to. He is not a crackpot, particularly when he is discussing anything in his field of expertise, and it would be foolish to ignore him on some petty and misplaced rationale that his message was "junk email". ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jul 2 07:34:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11506 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11499; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199607021434.HAA11499@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: randy@rg.net, peterm@canopus.estinc.com, dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199607021359.IAA16831@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Jul 2, 96 08:59:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco wrote: > > > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk > > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not > > be limited to abuse of the net. > > If you're a member of the bsdi-users list, I might agree that this was > questionable content, but still within the realm of plausibility, given > that so many people have been desperately looking for a product like > this, it is new and innovative technology, and it was a relatively short > and to the point synopsis. It was not a lengthy marketing junk email. > > If you're a member of the freebsd-isp list, you don't have a leg to stand > on because this is something that is routinely requested by ISP's and is > 1000% on topic for the list, particularly when done as tastefully as > Dennis presented it. > > Dennis has been providing connectivity technologies in both camps for a > long time. While people may not always agree with him, he has done the > work and put in the time and effort and he has, in my opinion, earned the > position of being someone who should be listened to. He is not a > crackpot, particularly when he is discussing anything in his field of > expertise, and it would be foolish to ignore him on some petty and > misplaced rationale that his message was "junk email". thank you, Joe. you said it better than i could have. ;) jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jul 2 08:14:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14264 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14250 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02137; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:24:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:24:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199607021524.LAA02137@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: randy@rg.net From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager Cc: bsdi-users@bsdi.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk >email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not >be limited to abuse of the net. > We all have policies. The bottom line is that is we place a magazine ad TODAY it would not appear until October. For those that need it today (or perhaps dont subscribe to the one we put it in), its the only option. It also helps keep costs down....we'd have to add a couple hundred $ to the price of the product if we had to mass market just to get the product started. I understand your "concerns"...we dont do announcements unless we think that it is of interest to a large number of list subscribers. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jul 2 11:11:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26957 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flubber.futurecomm.com (bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com [205.247.49.222]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26931 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com Received: from localhost (bbecker@localhost) by flubber.futurecomm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02939; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:10:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:10:44 -0400 (EDT) To: Joseph McDonald cc: randy@rg.net, Dennis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Joseph McDonald wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 randy@rg.net wrote: > > > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk > > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not > > be limited to abuse of the net. > > As much as I hate spam, I have to disagree with this one. There have been > a number of requests in ISP-land on how to make a "bandwidth resistor", > now there is a solution, the solution was posted to a mailing list of > ISP's, not to individual accounts. You have a point, but i think he does too. The posting looked to me to be more of a sales-pitch than anything else. Ad copy doesn't belong in here, does it? Even the BSDI notes about new versions that you see here, don't sound like a straw-hat-and-cane routine. I'd prefer seeing pointers to ads as a result of someone asking a question. That gives everyone a choice. Bill From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jul 2 12:07:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01234 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoo.toronto.edu (zoo.toronto.edu [128.100.72.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01206 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:06:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Henry Spencer Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager To: bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com cc: Dennis , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@bsdi.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You have a point, but i think he does too. The posting looked to me to be > more of a sales-pitch than anything else. Ad copy doesn't belong in here, > does it? Even the BSDI notes about new versions that you see here, don't > sound like a straw-hat-and-cane routine... I'd say Bill has put his finger on the crux of the issue. A brief note saying "we've got XXX available now, contact us for more info" is not out of place, provided XXX really is new in some way (not just the tenth or hundredth near-identical commodity product) and is of interest to this particular community. But posting ad copy or a press release to the list is inappropriate -- the hype/facts ratio is too poor. Unless the product is something *really* unusual which has to be explained in detail -- bearing in mind that the audience here is techies -- such a note should fit in one paragraph. Henry Spencer henry@zoo.toronto.edu From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jul 2 12:12:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01732 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garion.hq.ferg.com (pm1-16.wmbg.widomaker.com [204.17.220.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01718; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.hq.ferg.com (localhost.hq.ferg.com [127.0.0.1]) by garion.hq.ferg.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA26443; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:12:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199607021912.PAA26443@garion.hq.ferg.com> X-Authentication-Warning: garion.hq.ferg.com: Host localhost.hq.ferg.com didn't use HELO protocol From: Branson Matheson To: bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com cc: Joseph McDonald , randy@rg.net, Dennis , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Jul 1996 14:10:44 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 15:12:17 -0400 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com uttered with conviction : > You have a point, but i think he does too. The posti ng looked to > me to be more of a sales-pitch than anything else. Ad copy do esn't > belong in here, does it? Even the BSDI notes about new versions > that you see here, don't sound like a straw-hat-and-cane routine. > > I'd prefer seeing pointers to ads as a result of some one asking a > question. That gives everyone a choice. Yes... but it is also an extra step that can be difficult for those that are accross uucp or read their mail offline. Hrmmm.. ok on this note let me ask this question .. ( and I have cc'd to the FBSD Postmaster ), If there were a mailing list for FreeBSD commercial products... freebsd-commercial or some such, how many would be interested ( as I am ) in subscribing to it? IMHO FreeBSD provides a stable OS for people to use, but the benefits of commercial software are apparent and having that software run on my OS of choice makes it that much better. The more support that we get from commercial vendors can do nothing but assist our effort to make FreeBSD that much more a mainstream Operating System. -branson ============================================================================= Branson Matheson | Ferguson Enterprises | If Pete and Repeat were System Administrator | W: (804) 874-7795 | sittin on a fence and Pete Unix, Perl, WWW | branson@widomaker.com | fell off, who is left? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jul 2 12:22:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02468 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02456; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199607021922.MAA02456@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager To: branson@widomaker.com (Branson Matheson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com, joe@smartlink.net, randy@rg.net, dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <199607021912.PAA26443@garion.hq.ferg.com> from "Branson Matheson" at Jul 2, 96 03:12:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Branson Matheson wrote: > > -------- > > bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com uttered with conviction : > > > You have a point, but i think he does too. The posti ng looked to > > me to be more of a sales-pitch than anything else. Ad copy do esn't > > belong in here, does it? Even the BSDI notes about new versions > > that you see here, don't sound like a straw-hat-and-cane routine. > > > > I'd prefer seeing pointers to ads as a result of some one asking a > > question. That gives everyone a choice. > > Yes... but it is also an extra step that can be difficult for those > that are accross uucp or read their mail offline. > > Hrmmm.. ok on this note let me ask this question .. ( and I have cc'd > to the FBSD Postmaster ), If there were a mailing list for FreeBSD > commercial products... freebsd-commercial or some such, how many > would be interested ( as I am ) in subscribing to it? let me speak here as THE POSTMASTER ;) dennis's mailing was entirely appropriate. all vendors would do well to use it as a guideline. such mailings should be: clear relevant brief contain pointer for more info contain pricing commercial interest in developing products for FreeBSD is GOOD tasteful mailings are to be encouraged, just as inappropriate ones are to be discouraged. anyone that has a problem with this policy should continue the discussion on FreeBSD-chat. it is no longer relevant to freebsd-isp jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 05:59:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA05069 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 05:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05059 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 05:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from luiz@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA07010; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:02:55 -0300 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:02:55 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Majordomo. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear FreeBSD Experts, We are looking for a Majordomo Server for FreeBSD. Where can i find it? Luiz Netlink ISP From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 06:25:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA07061 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06825; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00462; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:41:22 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id QAA03393; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:41:21 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199607031341.QAA03393@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: muliport boards - building a PPP dialup server To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:41:21 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, cofer@www.cas.unt.edu, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Kevin_Swanson@blacksmith.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607031243.WAA09601@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jul 3, 96 10:13:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, # > and who can enlighten me about Stallion cards? # # gerg@stallion.com.au wrote and supports the FreeBSD driver for the # entire range of Stallion cards. Thanks for the pointer! (I tried mailto:info@stallion.com recently, and didn't get any useful information, signal/noise was ~0.0 in their reply). # > (I'm looking for PCI, 16 or 32 ports device, be it # > Stallion, Cyclades, Digiboard or whoever). # > At least 16 ports, PCI, and FreeBSD support _are_ the # > requirements. # # I'm curious - why PCI? Something makes me beleive that if I want more than 16 ports at 115200 per box, there would be two bottlenecks: 1. tty-level driver overhead, that's what I'm watching now with 16 FIFOed ports in 486dx4/100 -- interrupt load is tiny, and most of CPU is eaten by system. "Smart" card with it's own CPU (I treat it like an I/O co-processor) should minimize this factor. (?) 2. ISA bus itself, no matter what will I put into it. We don't have any EISA slots; so PCI is left. (And should I mention the fact that there are boxes around of non-Intel architectures running unices, which have PCI slots but no ISA slots?) Yes, probably I'm wrong and ISA can deal i.e. with 32x115200; but how reliable will this configuration be? # Stallion have an excellent reputation and their gear # is available prettymuch anywhere in the worl; Still absent here in Ukraine, for a pity. # I wouldn't hesitate to # recommend them if you're serious about your hardware. Thanks, got it. -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. Phones/fax: +380 (44) { 244-0122, 276-0188, 271-3457, 271-3560 } "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 06:28:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA07248 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA07243; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA04990 ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:21:40 -0700 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29329; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:28:09 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id QAA02893; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:28:08 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199607031328.QAA02893@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: muliport boards - building a PPP dialup server To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:28:08 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, cofer@www.cas.unt.edu, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Kevin_Swanson@blacksmith.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199607031244.OAA14182@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at Jul 3, 96 02:44:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello again, # > and who can enlighten me about Stallion cards? # > # > (I'm looking for PCI, 16 or 32 ports device, be it # > Stallion, Cyclades, Digiboard or whoever). # > At least 16 ports, PCI, and FreeBSD support _are_ the # > requirements. # Hi So:ren, you say: # I'm currently using two of their old ONBoard cards. Both are # 16 ports/ISA types. If their newer cards are of the same # quality I can only recommend them. I run both cards at their # full speed (38400) on all 16 ports, works very nice... We have several MOXA C104+ (4 ports) and C128+ (8 ports) boards now, theyr'e with 16550 chips and are Ok with all channels at 57600, up to 16 channels per 486 box; FreeBSD performs flawlessly, no overloads or overruns. (Thanks to Bruce Evans and sio.c hackers!) So I should certainly add: simultaneous speed of 115200 on _all_ ports is required too -- otherwise, will I gain something better from this "smart" boards than I'm getting now from good old FIFOs? -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. Phones/fax: +380 (44) { 244-0122, 276-0188, 271-3457, 271-3560 } "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 06:42:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA07988 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA07983 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mlcoh.loop.com (mlcoh.loop.com [204.179.169.6]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA00996 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:41:37 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960703054222.006bddcc@patty-inet.loop.net> X-Sender: greg@patty-inet.loop.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 06:42:22 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Greg Wiley Subject: Re: Majordomo. Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >We are looking for a Majordomo Server for FreeBSD. >Where can i find it? Nothin' like the real thing... ftp://ftp.greatcircle.com/pub/majordomo -greg From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 07:17:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09511 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br (root@cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.2.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09504 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09002; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:17:21 -0300 (EST) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199607031417.LAA09002@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Majordomo. To: luiz@mirage.nlink.com.br (Luiz de Barros) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:17:21 -0300 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Luiz de Barros at "Jul 3, 96 10:02:55 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL14 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Luiz de Barros) // Dear FreeBSD Experts, // // We are looking for a Majordomo Server for FreeBSD. // Where can i find it? // // Luiz // Netlink ISP Try on our server: ftp://ftp.coppe.ufrj.br/pub/unix/mail Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 07:18:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09585 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09578; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA05146 ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:16:53 -0700 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29329; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:28:09 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id QAA02893; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:28:08 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199607031328.QAA02893@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: muliport boards - building a PPP dialup server To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:28:08 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, cofer@www.cas.unt.edu, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Kevin_Swanson@blacksmith.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199607031244.OAA14182@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at Jul 3, 96 02:44:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello again, # > and who can enlighten me about Stallion cards? # > # > (I'm looking for PCI, 16 or 32 ports device, be it # > Stallion, Cyclades, Digiboard or whoever). # > At least 16 ports, PCI, and FreeBSD support _are_ the # > requirements. # Hi So:ren, you say: # I'm currently using two of their old ONBoard cards. Both are # 16 ports/ISA types. If their newer cards are of the same # quality I can only recommend them. I run both cards at their # full speed (38400) on all 16 ports, works very nice... We have several MOXA C104+ (4 ports) and C128+ (8 ports) boards now, theyr'e with 16550 chips and are Ok with all channels at 57600, up to 16 channels per 486 box; FreeBSD performs flawlessly, no overloads or overruns. (Thanks to Bruce Evans and sio.c hackers!) So I should certainly add: simultaneous speed of 115200 on _all_ ports is required too -- otherwise, will I gain something better from this "smart" boards than I'm getting now from good old FIFOs? -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. Phones/fax: +380 (44) { 244-0122, 276-0188, 271-3457, 271-3560 } "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 13:32:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23051 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23029; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA15101; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:27:05 +1000 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:27:05 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199607032027.GAA15101@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua Subject: Re: muliport boards - building a PPP dialup server Cc: Kevin_Swanson@blacksmith.com, cofer@www.cas.unt.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org, michaelv@HeadCandy.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ># I'm curious - why PCI? > Something makes me beleive that if I want more than 16 ports > at 115200 per box, there would be two bottlenecks: > 1. tty-level driver overhead, that's what I'm watching > now with 16 FIFOed ports in 486dx4/100 -- interrupt > load is tiny, and most of CPU is eaten by system. No, interrupt load is large. Serial hardware interrupt overheads (for drivers with fast interrupt handlers like sio and cy) are not counted because the drivers mask statclock interrupts. The overheads are added to the overheads of whatever happens to be running when the serial interrupts occur. On a 486DX/2/66 with 16550s (non-multiport; add 25-33% to interrupt overheads for multiport) or cd1400s, the overheads are approximately: source overhead relative ------ serial interrupt overheads 3% per 11KB 1 system overheads for termios raw mode input 3.3 1 system overheads for cslip input 3.7 1+ system overheads for pppd input 6.1 2 system overheads for termios cooked mode input huge (50?) 16 The system overheads are easy to reduce by replacing the 486/33 with a Pentium. The interrupt overheads are mostly I/O overheads so they are hard to reduce because boards with fast I/O are hard to find. > "Smart" card with it's own CPU (I treat it like > an I/O co-processor) should minimize this factor. (?) Only if the driver supports the smartness. This isn't easy, because the upper tty layers want to do their own line discipline processing. None of the FreeBSD serial drivers supports smartness. > 2. ISA bus itself, no matter what will I put into it. This is the main bottleneck on anything faster than a DX2/66, at least if 8-bit I/O is used. The overheads for Comtrol RocketPorts would be about half as small because RocketPorts support 16-bit I/O. Bruce From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 16:06:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06270 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06265 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA00284; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:05:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: User-land ISP install software? [not fbsd-specific] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I can get user-friendly Windoze software that users can run to easily get set up to use our ISP? It should install the winsock, web browser and email software with a minimum of fuss. I'm not a windoze programmer, so I can't write this software myself. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 17:12:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10437 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10429 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from luiz@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA12460; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:16:15 -0300 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:16:15 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Majordomo. In-Reply-To: <199607031417.LAA09002@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oi Joao, Muito obrigado pela dica, j=E1 peguei e est=E1 funcionando muito bem.... Luiz On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > #define quoting(Luiz de Barros) > // Dear FreeBSD Experts, > //=20 > // We are looking for a Majordomo Server for FreeBSD. > // Where can i find it? > //=20 > // Luiz > // Netlink ISP >=20 > Try on our server: ftp://ftp.coppe.ufrj.br/pub/unix/mail >=20 >=20 > =09=09=09=09=09Jonny >=20 > -- > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis=09=09=09jonny@gta.ufrj.br > +55 21 290-4698 ( Job )=09=09=09jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br > Network Manager=09=09=09=09UFRJ/COPPE/CISI > Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro >=20 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 17:32:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA11304 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11286 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.7.4/8.7.3) id IAA10218; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:27:51 +0800 (HKT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:27:50 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Michael Dillon cc: randy@rg.net, Dennis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 randy@rg.net wrote: > > > We have a corporate policy of not doing business with folk who send junk > > email. We assume your lack of judgment and questionable ethics will not > > be limited to abuse of the net. > > Oh, shut up! > If you want to be anal retentive about this stuff go hide in a corner > somewhere. Why on earth are you on a mailing list if not to learn about > technology and tools that can help you do your job better. This is not a > Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting > Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 > http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com > > While I tend to agree with the substance of your message, this is no way to communicate with a well meaning person protecting the list. Your abusive manner has already driven me from the BSD/OS list -- don't start it here. jbeukema From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 17:36:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA11634 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from onyx.xtalwind.net (root@onyx.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11628 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (h-adsorb.x31.infi.net [206.27.115.51]) by onyx.xtalwind.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21885; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:36:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: jacko To: Steve Reid cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User-land ISP install software? [not fbsd-specific] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Steve Reid wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get user-friendly Windoze software that users > can run to easily get set up to use our ISP? It should install the > winsock, web browser and email software with a minimum of fuss. > > I'm not a windoze programmer, so I can't write this software myself. Take a look at http://www.usefulware.com It isn't cheap but it is a nice package. And, the number of support calls we're getting are less than when we handed out seperate programs. :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 18:20:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA14125 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.dlc.fi (raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi [194.251.35.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14079 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from raccoon@localhost) by pegasus.dlc.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA24541 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:19:51 +0300 (EDT) From: "Antti Rytsola" Message-Id: <9607040419.ZM24537@pegasus.dlc.fi> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:19:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART-BOUNDARY=.19607040419.ZM24537.dlc.fi" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --PART-BOUNDARY=.19607040419.ZM24537.dlc.fi Content-Description: Text Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Zm-Decoding-Hint: mimencode -q -u subscribe freebsd-isp help -- = Antti Ryts=F6l=E4 Data Link Connections raccoon@dlc.fi = = --PART-BOUNDARY=.19607040419.ZM24537.dlc.fi-- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jul 3 19:50:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20076 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20063 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA19813; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:53:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: John Beukema cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, John Beukema wrote: > Your > abusive manner has already driven me from the BSD/OS list -- don't start > it here. Harrumph! I haven't been on that list for almost a year now. You better rejoin it. :-) Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 00:21:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA07440 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tav.kiev.ua (tav-sita.sita.kiev.ua [193.124.50.39]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07404 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by tav.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA19152 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:10:14 +0300 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Oleg N Panashchenko Organization: Maxis Labs Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 10:10:13 +0300 Message-Id: Subject: Re: multiport boards - building a PPP dialup server X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199607032027.GAA15101@godzilla.zeta.org.au> bde@zeta.org.au wrote: : > "Smart" card with it's own CPU (I treat it like : > an I/O co-processor) should minimize this factor. (?) : Only if the driver supports the smartness. This isn't easy, because the : upper tty layers want to do their own line discipline processing. None : of the FreeBSD serial drivers supports smartness. What do you mean by smartness? Is it special input processing in the case of (tp->t_state & TS_CAN_BYPASS_LRINT)? I think that at least Digiboard driver in -stable does this. Am I wrong? : Bruce Oleg From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 01:32:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11901 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA11886; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA14526; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:46:33 +0200 Message-Id: <199607031346.PAA14526@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: muliport boards - building a PPP dialup server To: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua (Andrew V. Stesin) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:46:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.org, stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, cofer@www.cas.unt.edu, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Kevin_Swanson@blacksmith.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199607031328.QAA02893@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> from "Andrew V. Stesin" at Jul 3, 96 04:28:08 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Andrew V. Stesin who wrote: > > We have several MOXA C104+ (4 ports) and C128+ (8 ports) > boards now, theyr'e with 16550 chips and are Ok with > all channels at 57600, up to 16 channels per 486 box; > FreeBSD performs flawlessly, no overloads or overruns. > (Thanks to Bruce Evans and sio.c hackers!) > > So I should certainly add: > simultaneous speed of 115200 on _all_ ports is required > too -- otherwise, will I gain something better from this > "smart" boards than I'm getting now from good old FIFOs? Well, the reason I don't run the ONBoards faster is that they are quite old, and cannot be programmed higher (I guess that was pretty cool with 38400 in 1988 :). I belive some of their newer products can handle 115200 if not more... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 01:51:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA13121 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12507; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25714; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:04:31 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id MAA23321; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:04:30 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199607040904.MAA23321@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: muliport boards - building a PPP dialup server To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:04:30 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607032027.GAA15101@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jul 4, 96 06:27:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [... Cc: trimmed ...] Thanks alot for the explanation, Bruce! # source overhead relative # ------ # serial interrupt overheads 3% per 11KB 1 # system overheads for termios raw mode input 3.3 1 # system overheads for cslip input 3.7 1+ # system overheads for pppd input 6.1 2 # system overheads for termios cooked mode input huge (50?) 16 # # The system overheads are easy to reduce by replacing the 486/33 with a # Pentium. The interrupt overheads are mostly I/O overheads so they are # hard to reduce because boards with fast I/O are hard to find. So an idea to get a PCI board seems to be pretty reasonable... # > 2. ISA bus itself, no matter what will I put into it. # # This is the main bottleneck on anything faster than a DX2/66, at least # if 8-bit I/O is used. The overheads for Comtrol RocketPorts would be # about half as small because RocketPorts support 16-bit I/O. Anyway, ISA is a dead-end, I think. (Consider the following: 16 ports seems to be an upper limit for ISA card at 8MHz, even if it's 16bit "smart" one -- simply because it's ISA. PCI has 33Mhz => 4 times faster, it's a 32bit bus => add two times more. So PCI intellgent card should be able to handle at least 8 times more ports at full speed, => up to 128 ones! And just today I have a headache -- we already have 16 ports busy on a dialup server, what will I do when some 2 more lines will come? Seems that getting a smart PCI serial device is the easiest solution and a more reasonable investment than a second server, considering added complexity of distributed system). # Bruce # -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. Phones/fax: +380 (44) { 244-0122, 276-0188, 271-3457, 271-3560 } "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 03:36:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA18567 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nathan.allegany.com (orange@NATHAN.ALLEGANY.COM [198.212.246.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA18562 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: orange@nathan.allegany.com Received: (from orange@localhost) by nathan.allegany.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id GAA10476; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:32:18 -0400 (EDT) To: Michael Dillon cc: John Beukema , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk how does one get on the BSD/OS list, anyhow? thanks, oran stewart On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, John Beukema wrote: > > > Your > > abusive manner has already driven me from the BSD/OS list -- don't start > > it here. > > Harrumph! I haven't been on that list for almost a year now. You better > rejoin it. :-) > > Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting > Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 > http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 07:09:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA28001 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wave.cyberbeach.net (wave.cyberbeach.net [205.150.79.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA27996 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 07:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from surf.cyberbeach.net (surf.cyberbeach.net [205.150.79.12]) by wave.cyberbeach.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA03879 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:09:03 -0400 Received: (from kurt@localhost) by surf.cyberbeach.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA11663 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:09:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:09:03 -0400 From: Kurt Schafer Message-Id: <199607041409.KAA11663@surf.cyberbeach.net> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Forced update of NIS passwords Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently been working on a WWW based password changing utility for our users so that the more timid can avoid the horrors of having to interact with a spooky shell style interface. The form/CGI works to update the password on the main YP server, but the process of forcibly updating the client machines is escaping me at this time. How can I force an update of the password file on the client machines ? -Kurt From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 08:48:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02989 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02984 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA28455 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:50:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Jul 1996 orange@nathan.allegany.com wrote: > how does one get on the BSD/OS list, anyhow? Send a message reading subscribe to the address bsdi-users-request@bsdi.com Michael Dillon ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 12:17:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA13396 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arneis.intelnet.vol.it (arneis.intelnet.vol.it [194.166.29.62]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13376 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gio@localhost) by arneis.intelnet.vol.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA22402; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:17:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:17:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Giorgio Cico To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: HELP requested on iij-ppp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HELP !!! I need to configure a FBSD box as an access server, connecting two modem to the two Com ports. I followed the manual in the section 'Receiving incoming ppp connections' but it doesn't works well. The address of the box is 194.166.29.199 (255.255.255.0) I want the ppp connection address be 194.166.29.160/161 I want all packet sent to my default router (194.166.29.1) I inserted the address 194.166.29.162 as the address of the box during the connection: I'm not sure if it is correct/necessary, but, otherwise, the box succesfully negotiates an address of 0.0.0.0 . this is the result of the session on the client (Trumpet on Windows 3.11) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Trumpet Winsock Version 2.0 Revision B Copyright (c) 1993,1994 by Peter R. Tattam All Rights Reserved. THIS IS AN UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE VERSION FOR EVALUATION ONLY. PPP[C021] state = starting PPP[C023] state = starting PPP[8021] state = starting PPP ENABLED Internal SLIP driver COM1 Baud rate = 38400 Hardware handshaking Compression enabled IP buffers = 32 My IP = 0.0.0.0 netmask = 0.0.0.0 gateway = 0.0.0.0 Manually dialing. AFTER LOGGING IN, TYPE THE KEY TO RETURN TO NORMAL SLIP PROCESSING. PPP DISABLED atdt803480667 CONNECT 26400/ARQ FreeBSD (test.intelnet.vol.it) (ttyd1) login: ppp Password: User Process PPP. Written by Toshiharu OHNO. Log level is 09 Using interface: tun0 Packet mode enabled. ~}#@!}!}!} }8}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } } }!}$}%\}%}&!}8Xo~PPP ENABLED PPP[C021] SND CONFREQ ID=01 LEN=24 MRU(05DC) ACCM(00000000) MAGIC(000144D4) PFC ACFC PPP[C021] state = reqsent PPP frame check error, 29 PPP[C021] RCV CONFREQ ID=02 LEN=24 ACFC PFC ACCM(00000000) MRU(05DC) MAGIC(82A118D8) PPP[C021] SND CONFACK ID=02 LEN=24 ACFC PFC ACCM(00000000) MRU(05DC) MAGIC(82A118D8) PPP[C021] state = acksent PPP frame check error, 18 PPP[C021] SND PROTREJ ID=01 LEN=12 data 80 FD 01 01 00 06 01 02 PPP[C021] SND CONFREQ ID=02 LEN=24 MRU(05DC) ACCM(00000000) MAGIC(0001510F) PFC ACFC PPP[C021] RCV ECHOREQ ID=03 LEN=16 data 82 A1 18 D8 59 4E 4F 54 00 00 00 00 PPP[C021] RCV CONFREQ ID=04 LEN=24 ACFC PFC ACCM(00000000) MRU(05DC) MAGIC(82A118D8) PPP[C021] SND CONFACK ID=04 LEN=24 ACFC PFC ACCM(00000000) MRU(05DC) MAGIC(82A118D8) PPP[C021] RCV CONFACK ID=02 LEN=24 MRU(05DC) ACCM(00000000) MAGIC(0001510F) PFC ACFC PPP[C021] state = opened PPP[8021] SND CONFREQ ID=01 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F01) IPADDR(00000000) PPP[8021] state = reqsent PPP[8021] RCV CONFNAK ID=01 LEN=10 IPADDR(C2A61DA0) My IP address = 194.166.29.160 PPP[8021] SND CONFREQ ID=02 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F01) IPADDR(C2A61DA0) PPP[8021] RCV CONFACK ID=02 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F01) IPADDR(C2A61DA0) PPP[8021] state = ackrcvd PPP[8021] RCV CONFREQ ID=02 LEN=16 IPADDR(C2A61DA2) IPCP(002D0F00) PPP[8021] SND CONFACK ID=02 LEN=16 IPADDR(C2A61DA2) IPCP(002D0F00) PPP[8021] state = opened state = syn_sent *** *** here I am tring a telnet to 194.166.29.62 *** 0 IP 194.166.29.160 ->194.166.29.62 len 44 prot 6 126.3 1024->23 seq 00000000 SYN wind 4096 opt 020405B4 0 IP 194.166.29.160 ->194.166.29.62 len 44 prot 6 131.4 1024->23 seq 00000000 SYN wind 4096 opt 020405B4 0 IP 194.166.29.160 ->194.166.29.62 len 44 prot 6 141.4 1024->23 seq 00000000 SYN wind 4096 opt 020405B4 state = closed --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- /var/log/ppp.log ------------------------ 07-04 10:58:52 [140] Using interface: tun0 07-04 10:58:52 [140] Listening at 3000. 07-04 10:58:52 [140] PPP Started. 07-04 10:58:52 [140] Packet mode enabled 07-04 10:58:52 [140] LCP: state change Initial --> Closed 07-04 10:58:52 [140] LCP: SendConfigReq 07-04 10:58:52 [140] ACFCOMP 07-04 10:58:52 [140] PROTOCOMP 07-04 10:58:52 [140] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 07-04 10:58:52 [140] MRU [4] 1500 07-04 10:58:52 [140] MAGICNUM [6] 82a118d8 07-04 10:58:52 [140] LCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 07-04 10:58:53 [140] *Connected! 07-04 10:58:53 [140] LCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 07-04 10:58:53 [140] MRU 1500 07-04 10:58:53 [140] ACCMAP 00000000 07-04 10:58:53 [140] MAGICNUM 000144d4 07-04 10:58:53 [140] PROTOCOMP 07-04 10:58:53 [140] ACFCOMP 07-04 10:58:53 [140] LCP: SendConfigAck(Req-Sent) 07-04 10:58:53 [140] MRU 1500 07-04 10:58:53 [140] ACCMAP 00000000 07-04 10:58:53 [140] MAGICNUM 000144d4 07-04 10:58:53 [140] PROTOCOMP 07-04 10:58:53 [140] ACFCOMP 07-04 10:58:53 [140] LCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent 07-04 10:58:55 [140] LCP: SendConfigReq 07-04 10:58:55 [140] ACFCOMP 07-04 10:58:55 [140] PROTOCOMP 07-04 10:58:55 [140] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 07-04 10:58:55 [140] MRU [4] 1500 07-04 10:58:55 [140] MAGICNUM [6] 82a118d8 07-04 10:58:55 [140] LCP: Received Configure Ack (2) state = Ack-Sent (8) 07-04 10:58:55 [140] LCP: state change Ack-Sent --> Opend 07-04 10:58:55 [140] LCP: LayerUp 07-04 10:58:55 [140] Phase: Authenticate 07-04 10:58:55 [140] his = 0, mine = 0 07-04 10:58:55 [140] Phase: Network 07-04 10:58:55 [140] IPCP: state change Initial --> Closed 07-04 10:58:55 [140] IPCP Up event!! 07-04 10:58:55 [140] IPCP: SendConfigReq 07-04 10:58:55 [140] IPADDR [6] 194.166.29.162 07-04 10:58:55 [140] COMPPROTO [6] 002d0f00 07-04 10:58:55 [140] IPCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 07-04 10:58:55 [140] CCP: state change Initial --> Closed 07-04 10:58:55 [140] CCP Up event!! 07-04 10:58:55 [140] CCP: SendConfigReq 07-04 10:58:55 [140] CCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 07-04 10:58:56 [140] LCP: Received Protocol Reject (1) state = Opend (9) 07-04 10:58:56 [140] -- Protocol (80fd) was rejected. 07-04 10:58:56 [140] CCP: LayerFinish. 07-04 10:58:56 [140] CCP: state change Req-Sent --> Stopped 07-04 10:58:56 [140] LCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Opend (9) 07-04 10:58:56 [140] MRU 1500 07-04 10:58:56 [140] ACCMAP 00000000 07-04 10:58:56 [140] MAGICNUM 0001510f 07-04 10:58:56 [140] PROTOCOMP 07-04 10:58:56 [140] ACFCOMP 07-04 10:58:56 [140] LCP: LayerDown 07-04 10:58:56 [140] Phase: Terminate 07-04 10:58:56 [140] LCP: SendConfigReq 07-04 10:58:56 [140] ACFCOMP 07-04 10:58:56 [140] PROTOCOMP 07-04 10:58:56 [140] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 07-04 10:58:56 [140] MRU [4] 1500 07-04 10:58:56 [140] MAGICNUM [6] 82a118d8 07-04 10:58:56 [140] LCP: SendConfigAck(Opend) 07-04 10:58:56 [140] MRU 1500 07-04 10:58:56 [140] ACCMAP 00000000 07-04 10:58:56 [140] MAGICNUM 0001510f 07-04 10:58:56 [140] PROTOCOMP 07-04 10:58:56 [140] ACFCOMP 07-04 10:58:56 [140] LCP: state change Opend --> Ack-Sent 07-04 10:58:57 [140] LCP: Received Configure Ack (4) state = Ack-Sent (8) 07-04 10:58:57 [140] LCP: state change Ack-Sent --> Opend 07-04 10:58:57 [140] LCP: LayerUp 07-04 10:58:57 [140] Phase: Authenticate 07-04 10:58:57 [140] his = 0, mine = 0 07-04 10:58:57 [140] Phase: Network 07-04 10:58:57 [140] IPCP: Oops, Up at Req-Sent 07-04 10:58:57 [140] IPCP Up event!! 07-04 10:58:57 [140] CCP: Oops, Up at Stopped 07-04 10:58:57 [140] CCP Up event!! 07-04 10:58:57 [140] IPCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 07-04 10:58:57 [140] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 07-04 10:58:57 [140] IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 07-04 10:58:57 [140] IPCP: SendConfigNak(Req-Sent) 07-04 10:58:57 [140] IPADDR[6] 194.166.29.160 07-04 10:58:58 [140] IPCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Req-Sent (6) 07-04 10:58:58 [140] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 07-04 10:58:58 [140] IPADDR[6] 194.166.29.160 07-04 10:58:58 [140] IPCP: SendConfigAck(Req-Sent) 07-04 10:58:58 [140] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 07-04 10:58:58 [140] IPADDR[6] 194.166.29.160 07-04 10:58:58 [140] IPCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent 07-04 10:58:58 [140] IPCP: SendConfigReq 07-04 10:58:58 [140] IPADDR [6] 194.166.29.162 07-04 10:58:58 [140] COMPPROTO [6] 002d0f00 07-04 10:58:59 [140] IPCP: Received Configure Ack (2) state = Ack-Sent (8) 07-04 10:58:59 [140] IPCP: state change Ack-Sent --> Opend 07-04 10:58:59 [140] IPCP: LayerUp. 07-04 10:58:59 [140] myaddr = 194.166.29.162 hisaddr = 194.166.29.160 07-04 10:58:59 [140] found interface ep0 for proxy arp 07-04 10:58:59 [140] OsLinkup: 194.166.29.160 07-04 11:04:44 [140] Disconnected! 07-04 11:04:44 [140] Connect time: 351 secs 07-04 11:04:44 [140] Phase: Dead 07-04 11:04:44 [140] OsLinkdown: 194.166.29.160 07-04 11:04:45 [140] PPP Terminated. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The configuration of ppp is as follow. --------------------------- /etc/ppp/ppp.conf ------------------------ # # Default setup. Executed always when PPP is invoked. # default: set device /dev/cuaa0 set speed 38400 disable lqr deny lqr set login "" set timeout 0 deny pap deny chap set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATE1Q0 OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" # ppp: disable pap disable chap enable proxy set authname ppp-server set ifaddr 194.166.29.162 194.166.29.160/31 set debug phase chat lcp tcpip ccp route ipcp --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup ---------------------- # *** *** this seems ignored *** add 0 0 194.166.29.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Any hints ? Many thanks in advance Giorgio Cico From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 12:32:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14555 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14550 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from greg@localhost) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA04784 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:31:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:31:53 -0700 From: Greg Wiley Message-Id: <199607041931.MAA04784@patty.loop.net> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Forced update of NIS passwords Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The form/CGI works to update the password on > the main YP server, but the process of forcibly updating the client machines > is escaping me at this time. > > How can I force an update of the password file on the client machines ? Your script could launch make to push all the new NIS data but we found that it's usually too slow for a web response, especially if one of th clients go down. You can also run the YP make from cron every so often and let form users know that their changes will go into effect within the next whatever minutes. You can also have the YP clients pull their db information period- ically (you should do that anyway just in case a client misses a push). Whatever works. -greg From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 4 17:33:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA23804 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23793 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA13742 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:42:43 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199607041942.TAA13742@ecpi.com> Subject: dialup devices? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:42:43 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi , I have installed BOCA 16 card on freebsd 2.0.5 version. I have copiled the kernel with options "COM_MULTIPORT" device sio4 at isa? port 0x180 tty flags 0x1305 device sio5 at isa? port 0x188 tty flags 0x1305 device sio6 at isa? port 0x190 tty flags 0x1305 device sio7 at isa? port 0x198 tty flags 0x1305 device sio8 at isa? port 0x1a0 tty flags 0x1305 device sio9 at isa? port 0x1a8 tty flags 0x1305 device sio10 at isa? port 0x1b0 tty flags 0x1305 device sio11 at isa? port 0x1b8 tty flags 0x1305 device sio12 at isa? port 0x1c0 tty flags 0x1305 device sio13 at isa? port 0x1c8 tty flags 0x1305 device sio14 at isa? port 0x1d0 tty flags 0x1305 device sio15 at isa? port 0x1d8 tty flags 0x1305 device sio16 at isa? port 0x1e0 tty flags 0x1305 device sio17 at isa? port 0x1e8 tty flags 0x1305 device sio18 at isa? port 0x1f0 tty flags 0x1305 device sio19 at isa? port 0x1f8 tty flags 0x1305 irq 15 vector siointr We are using folloing ttyd devices for the following port sio4 ttyd4 sio5 ttyd5 sio6 ttyd6 sio7 ttyd7 sio8 ttyd8 sio9 ttyd9 sio10 ttyda sio11 ttydb sio12 ttydc sio13 ttydd sio14 ttyde All the above dial-up port runs fine but Now I am trying to use sio15 with ttydf. Every time I login on that port, it makes system crash. I have tried number of times. Any hint what could be the reason? What serial device I should be using for the sio16 ttyd?? (ttydg may be) sio17 ttyd?? sio18 ttyd?? sio19 ttyd?? Any help on this subjet would be great help. Thanks Tushar Patel tpatel@ecpi.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jul 5 03:47:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07060 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 03:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA07049; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 03:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA00165; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:36:58 +1000 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:36:58 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199607051036.UAA00165@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua Subject: Re: muliport boards - building a PPP dialup server Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So an idea to get a PCI board seems to be pretty reasonable... If the PCI interface is actually faster. > Anyway, ISA is a dead-end, I think. (Consider the following: > 16 ports seems to be an upper limit for ISA card at 8MHz, even if > it's 16bit "smart" one -- simply because it's ISA. > PCI has 33Mhz => 4 times faster, > it's a 32bit bus => add two times more. So PCI intellgent Only for 32bit peripherals. Not for 8-bit peripherals like 16550s and cd1400s. These have at most 1/2 the bandwidth of the ISA bus because they use only 1/2 its width. In practice they usually have only 1/5 the bandwidth of the ISA bus because they don't support insb/outsb. > card should be able to handle at least 8 times more ports > at full speed, => up to 128 ones! And just today I have The software overhead would be too large for more than 32 or 64 * 115200 bps on a Pentium. Fortunately, modems can't sustain 115200 bps. Bruce From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jul 5 18:27:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24866 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wave.cyberbeach.net (wave.cyberbeach.net [205.150.79.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24852 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from surf.cyberbeach.net (surf.cyberbeach.net [205.150.79.12]) by wave.cyberbeach.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA18090 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:27:49 -0400 Received: (from kurt@localhost) by surf.cyberbeach.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA17776 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:27:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:27:48 -0400 From: Kurt Schafer Message-Id: <199607060127.VAA17776@surf.cyberbeach.net> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FrontPage Web Extensions Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody managed to install the Microsoft Frontpage server extensions into Apache version 1.1 ? I'm running FreeBSD 2.1, and downloaded the BSD/OS files from Microsoft. The command line mode executable that you are supposed to run to install/config the server extensions (cgi-scripts essentially) bombs out on me with a 'Memory Fault' Anyone ? FrontPage is a great authoring tool. It sure would be nice if the extensions could be made to work with Apache cause I have no plans of dumping Apache any time in the next 10 millennia. -Kurt From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jul 5 19:19:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29608 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.lamb.net (root@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29590 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21653; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:17:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ulf Zimmermann" Message-Id: <960705191756.ZM21651@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:17:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: Kurt Schafer "FrontPage Web Extensions" (Jul 5, 9:27pm) References: <199607060127.VAA17776@surf.cyberbeach.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0b.514 14may96) To: Kurt Schafer , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FrontPage Web Extensions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jul 5, 9:27pm, Kurt Schafer wrote: > Subject: FrontPage Web Extensions > > Has anybody managed to install the Microsoft Frontpage server extensions > into Apache version 1.1 ? > > I'm running FreeBSD 2.1, and downloaded the BSD/OS files from Microsoft. > > The command line mode executable that you are supposed to run to install/config > the server extensions (cgi-scripts essentially) bombs out on me with a > 'Memory Fault' > > Anyone ? FrontPage is a great authoring tool. It sure would be nice if the > extensions could be made to work with Apache cause I have no plans of dumping > Apache any time in the next 10 millennia. > > -Kurt >-- End of excerpt from Kurt Schafer Which version of FreeBSD are you running ? And what kind of Bins for BSDI are they ? Ulf. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jul 5 20:26:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05854 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scooter.quickweb.com (scooter.quickweb.com [199.212.134.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05842 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by scooter.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA27001; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:27:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Mayo To: Kurt Schafer cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FrontPage Web Extensions In-Reply-To: <199607060127.VAA17776@surf.cyberbeach.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Kurt Schafer wrote: > > Has anybody managed to install the Microsoft Frontpage server extensions > into Apache version 1.1 ? > > I'm running FreeBSD 2.1, and downloaded the BSD/OS files from Microsoft. > > The command line mode executable that you are supposed to run to install/config > the server extensions (cgi-scripts essentially) bombs out on me with a > 'Memory Fault' > > Anyone ? FrontPage is a great authoring tool. It sure would be nice if the > extensions could be made to work with Apache cause I have no plans of dumping > Apache any time in the next 10 millennia. > > -Kurt > Just upgrade your FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE, and everything will be okay. The problem is that the extensions are for BSDI 2.0, which isn't supported by FreeBSD 2.1R. Once you 'sup' 2.1-STABLE you'll be able to run them no probs. You may have to installed DES crypt routines (you don't need them, but it makes FrontPage work with BSD's password file..) Moving to 2.1-STABLE is a good idea at any rate - lots of bug fixes and enhancements. Hope that helps, -Mark :%t$sig -- Oops, thought I was in vi.. ------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | C-Soft www.quickweb.com | ------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jul 6 07:44:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11841 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11822 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09965 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607061444.KAA09965@ns2.harborcom.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bradley Dunn" Organization: Harbor Communications To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:38:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Apache-SSL Reply-to: dunn@harborcom.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Is anyone out there using Apache-SSL? What have been your experiences? I have a client who wants me to set up a secure server for him. I have experience with Netscape's Commerce Server, and suffice to say I'd just rather do this with Apache. Can Apache-SSL do it? Bradley Dunn Harbor Communications From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jul 6 09:30:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22490 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 09:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22483 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 09:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0ucZxj-0008sKC; Sat, 6 Jul 96 09:12 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Apache-SSL To: dunn@harborcom.net Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 09:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607061444.KAA09965@ns2.harborcom.net> from "Bradley Dunn" at Jul 6, 96 10:38:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is anyone out there using Apache-SSL? What have been your > experiences? I gave it a quick evaluation, but don't have any requests for it yet, so haven't purchased a permanent license. It seemed to work just fine, but the encryption does add a significant load. I noticed that using the secure server was noticeably slower than using the regular one. -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jul 6 10:30:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24817 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salsa.habaneros.com ([207.34.140.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24794 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jalapeno.habaneros.com (jalapeno [207.34.140.98]) by salsa.habaneros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09620; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:15:56 -0700 Received: by jalapeno.habaneros.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB6B25.665C2F20@jalapeno.habaneros.com>; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:25:05 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB6B25.665C2F20@jalapeno.habaneros.com> From: "Neil C. Jensen" To: "'batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie)'" , "'dunn@harborcom.net'" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Apache-SSL Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:25:04 -0700 Encoding: 34 TEXT Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I agree with the comments about slower response for the secure server, however this should be reduced in the future, as I believe that Eric Young (developer of SSLeay) is currently doing a lot of work on speed improvements. If you want to keep abreast of the developments I highly reccomend the SSLeay mailing list : ssl-users@mincom.com. This is a low volume, fairly high quality mailing list. ---------- From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Sent: Saturday, July 06, 1996 9:12 AM To: dunn@harborcom.net Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache-SSL > Is anyone out there using Apache-SSL? What have been your > experiences? I gave it a quick evaluation, but don't have any requests for it yet, so haven't purchased a permanent license. It seemed to work just fine, but the encryption does add a significant load. I noticed that using the secure server was noticeably slower than using the regular one. -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. . From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jul 6 13:30:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03080 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03072 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA02711; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:32:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: iap@vma.cc.nd.edu cc: linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, os2-isp@dental.stat.com Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: New listserver - ISP-Telco (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:54:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Cramer To: nanog@merit.edu Cc: rmg@ranma.com, clewis@sytex.net, sosebee@bellsouth.com Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: New listserver - ISP-Telco Hopefully we will be filling a void. People have asked for a list that would have as its subject: Telco equipment as related to the ISP environment. We hope to deal with a broad subject matter; CSU/DSU configuration, equipment feature comparisons, T-Carrier analyzer tips, lease line procurement, etc, etc, etc. The list is now open for subscriptions. We will take subscriptions for about 3-5 days. This way no one will miss anything and we can also shake out any last minute problems. Postings will be accepted starting July 10th unless notified otherwise. SUBSCRIPTION INFO: Subscribe to: majordomo@list.sytex.net, with no subject, and "subscribe isp-telco" in the body of the message. Regards, Dick -- Richard Cramer rcramer@sytex.net Phone: 703-425-2515 President Fax: 703-425-4585 Sytex Access Ltd. POB 2385, Fairfax, VA 22031-0385 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jul 6 13:54:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA04300 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04295 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA18437; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607062054.QAA18437@ns2.harborcom.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bradley Dunn" Organization: Harbor Communications To: njensen@salsa.habaneros.com Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:48:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Apache-SSL Reply-to: dunn@harborcom.net CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 6 Jul 96 at 10:25, Neil C. Jensen wrote: > I agree with the comments about slower response for the secure server, > however this should be reduced in the future, as I believe that Eric Young > (developer of SSLeay) is currently doing a lot of work on speed improvements. Does anyone know how the speed compares to Netscape? Bradley Dunn Harbor Communications From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jul 6 18:14:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA14972 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salsa.habaneros.com ([207.34.140.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14962 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jalapeno.habaneros.com (jalapeno [207.34.140.98]) by salsa.habaneros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA10212 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:59:54 -0700 Received: by jalapeno.habaneros.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB6B66.39B7BE80@jalapeno.habaneros.com>; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:09:08 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB6B66.39B7BE80@jalapeno.habaneros.com> From: "Neil C. Jensen" To: "'dunn@harborcom.net'" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Apache-SSL Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:09:06 -0700 Encoding: 52 TEXT Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk See below regarding speed (from the SSL-user archives). I believe that Netscape uses RSAref, although I am not sure on this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Young (eay@mincom.oz.au) wrote: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:26:16 +1000 (EST) After a very long Saturday, I've finally got Montgomery multiplication in my Big Number libraries. What does this mean for you guys? Well the speed of the RSA operation in the next version of SSLeay will be about 2 times faster that that in 0.6.0 :-). (I have also incorperated Colin Plum's window exponentiation (sp?)). I consider this a very big deal since my library is now 7-8 times faster than RSAref (for linux) and from what I have heard, I'm probably faster than the BSAFE toolkit, or at least similar speed. Now I know you probably all don't give a damn about this and would prefer SSLv3 or shared library support first, but this is the lind of stuff I like doing :-). This has been on my TODO list for at least a year. I am now actually happy with the performance of the Bignumber library part of SSLeay. Previously I was only happy with the ciphers and message digests :-). I have to thank Colin Plum and others like Wei Dai who I have corresponded about this stuff, and in the case of Colin, most of the techniques which make my library fast are from him. ---------- From: Bradley Dunn[SMTP:dunn@harborcom.net] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 1996 2:48 PM To: njensen@salsa.habaneros.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Apache-SSL On 6 Jul 96 at 10:25, Neil C. Jensen wrote: > I agree with the comments about slower response for the secure server, > however this should be reduced in the future, as I believe that Eric Young > (developer of SSLeay) is currently doing a lot of work on speed improvements. Does anyone know how the speed compares to Netscape? Bradley Dunn Harbor Communications