From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 11 03:35:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA02508 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.leissner.se (gate.leissner.se [193.45.192.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02499 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gate.leissner.se (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA04574; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:34:52 GMT Received: from unknown(192.71.29.17) by gate.leissner.se via smap (V1.3) id sma004572; Sun Aug 11 10:34:25 1996 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960811103427.00757b1c@lda> X-Sender: pol@lda X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:34:27 +0200 To: "Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica" From: Peter Olsson Subject: Re: Limit size of messages in sendmail Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 16:49 1996-08-10 -0300 Helio Coelho Jr. wrote: > A little off-topic, but... Is it possible to limit the maximum size >of a message a user can receive (and send), (beside using quotas in his home >directory). I have some users that like to exchange 6 mb files with his >friends by e-mail ! > I'm using Sendmail8.7.5 in a FreeBSD2.1R. I checked out the O'Relly >Sendmail's book but not luck. Any ideas ? Example from sendmail.cf: Msmtp, P=ÄIPCÅ, F=mDFMuX, S=11/31, R=21, E=ÖrÖn, L=990, M=1000000, T=DNS/RFC822/SMTP, A=IPC $h The "M=1000000" limits messagesize. If a message is larger the sender will get a mail telling him he tried sending a too large message. Peter Olsson pol@leissner.se From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 11 09:44:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23055 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dial2.cyvox.net.au (dial2.cyvox.net.au [203.24.200.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23043 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from a@localhost) by dial2.cyvox.net.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA00413 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:14:12 +0930 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Chameleon-Return-To: alek@cyvox.net.au X-XFmail-Return-To: alek@cyvox.net.au Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:06:40 +0930 (CST) Organization: CyVox Internet From: Alek Argirov To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Cyclades devices Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Alek Argirov Date: 08/12/96 Time: 02:06:40 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- Hi, I have a problem where /dev/ttyc0 will not return a login prompt but /dev/cuac0 will. I am using the standard mgetty+sendfax. Anyone ever come across this problem? Alek.et XFMstatus: 0001 From: Alek Argirov To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Cyclades devices ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Alek Argirov Date: 08/12/96 Time: 02:06:40 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- Hi, I have a problem where /dev/ttyc0 will not return a login prompt but /dev/cuac0 will. I am using the standard mgetty+sendfax. Anyone ever come across this problem? Alek.ime: 02:06:40 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- Hi, I have a problem where /dev/ttyc0 will not return a login prompt but /dev/cuac0 will. I am using the standard mgetty+sendfax. Anyone ever come across this problem? Alek. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 11 10:58:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28253 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dial2.cyvox.net.au (dial2.cyvox.net.au [203.24.200.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28248 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from a@localhost) by dial2.cyvox.net.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA00385 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:28:11 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:13:39 +0930 (CST) Organization: CyVox Internet From: mail@cyvox.net.au To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: dialin route from second machine Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------------------------------- E-Mail: mail@cyvox.net.au> Date: 08/12/96 Time: 03:13:39 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- I am in the process of setting up a second dialin machine as opposed to letting the name server handle everything. On the Name Server I have allocated a number of IP numbers for each dialin line. Are there any futher configurations that need doing in /etc/named on the dailin box or should it work once the ppp login is setup? thanks in advance, Alek. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 01:29:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07974 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.marben.be (gatekeeper.marben.be [194.78.27.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA07943 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gatekeeper.marben.be (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21748 for <@gatekeeper.marben.be:freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:40:32 +0200 Received: from tarifa.marben.be(172.20.0.254) by gatekeeper.marben.be via smap (V1.3) id sma021746; Mon Aug 12 10:40:05 1996 Received: from tarifa.marben.be by tarifa via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id KAA15977; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:18:28 +0200 Message-ID: <320EE8D4.4DAA@marben.be> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:18:28 +0200 From: Jean-Pierre Morant Organization: Marben SA-NV X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: EXCITE again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So many BSD binariies work so well over 2.1.5 - but I still can't get excite for BSD/OS working correctly on my FreeBSD box. Does someone succeed in doing that ??? -- Jean-Pierre Morant c/o MARBEN S.A./N.V. La vie serait tellement Boulevard du Souverain,400, Vorstlaan plus facile 1160 Bruxelles Si seulement Belgium nous avions les sources.... + 32 2 663 1130 (phone) + 32 2 663 1199 (fax) http://www.marben.be jpm@marben.be From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 01:48:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA09021 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.marben.be (gatekeeper.marben.be [194.78.27.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08898 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gatekeeper.marben.be (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21798; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:59:05 +0200 Received: from tarifa.marben.be(172.20.0.254) by gatekeeper.marben.be via smap (V1.3) id sma021796; Mon Aug 12 10:58:46 1996 Received: from tarifa.marben.be by tarifa via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id KAA16056; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:37:02 +0200 Message-ID: <320EED2D.6113@marben.be> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:37:01 +0200 From: Jean-Pierre Morant Organization: Marben SA-NV X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Olsson CC: "Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limit size of messages in sendmail References: <2.2.32.19960811103427.00757b1c@lda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Another solution is to encapsulate sendmail within the smapd daemon available in TIS's firewall package. Not only does it provide limits for size but it also restricts the SMTP commands set to a "secured" subset. It's available as a port for FreeBSD since not very long. -- Jean-Pierre Morant c/o MARBEN S.A./N.V. La vie serait tellement Boulevard du Souverain,400, Vorstlaan plus facile 1160 Bruxelles Si seulement Belgium nous avions les sources.... + 32 2 663 1130 (phone) + 32 2 663 1199 (fax) http://www.marben.be jpm@marben.be From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 06:18:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA18432 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 06:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tchnet.tchnet.com (tchnet.tchnet.com [198.109.196.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA18425 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 06:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dashadow@localhost) by tchnet.tchnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA12511; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:18:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hart To: Jean-Pierre Morant cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EXCITE again In-Reply-To: <320EE8D4.4DAA@marben.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Jean-Pierre Morant wrote: > So many BSD binariies work so well over 2.1.5 - but I still can't get > excite for BSD/OS working correctly on my FreeBSD box. > Does someone succeed in doing that ??? I also just tried this Friday on my 2.1.5 box, and I couldn't get it to work, either. Even after playing with the scripts to take advantage of my perl binary it still puked in different areas. Oh well... Anyone? John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Hart, System Administrator Technet Internet Services dashadow@tchnet.com (517)796-8200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 11:56:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06154 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06149 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA08814; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:55:05 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608121855.NAA08814@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW / Barracuda problems? To: richards@herald.net (Richard Stanford) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:55:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Stanford" at Aug 9, 96 07:36:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sorry to bug the list with a compatability question, but: > > My hardware vendor recently told me that the Adaptec 2940UW cards > I was planning on putting in my new FreeBSD servers would not work > properly with my ST15150N Barracudas. Have any of y'all had any > experience with this combination? YES... KEEP THEM COOL! > Also, from ISP experience, are any of you using the faster 4GB > Barracudas? Are they worth it? Other than the fact that I often end up pulling them out and replacing them with 2 x ST32550N for speed? :-) (two mechanisms are faster than one). > Thanks for the information, folks. Oh, I was also planning on > using ST32155 2GB Hawks for the system disks - anyone had any > problems with these? Got a couple dozen of the 31055's, I think one infant death, faster at some operations than the Barra's. Only been using them for about three months however. NICE drives, from what I can tell, would not hesitate to recommend them to a friend. I would project the same results to the 32155's. ;-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 12:44:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10902 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gromit.pinpt.com (gromit.pinpt.com [205.179.195.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10875; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover3.pinpt.com (wallace.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by gromit.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA01694; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:42:26 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960812194350.00819ea8@wallace.pinpt.com> X-Sender: schluntz@wallace.pinpt.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:43:50 -0700 To: "Gary Palmer" From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: UPS Systems Cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Even without the optional SNMP card, the APC BackupUPS (and higher) >machines have serial ports which can be used to alert a daemon on the >system to impending battery death. A lot of similar products from >other manufacturers (ViewSonic, Tripp Lite, for example) have similar >features, but I've only worked with the APC models. Do you know where I can get the source for that daemon? I could really use it. (After everything dying here on Sat. after the power outages here in Calif. I need to fix up my setup.) I was relying on a NT machine to tell the rest of the systems to shut down, but under fire it decided that it didn't want to. :-( -Sean --- Sean J. Schluntz eMail schluntz@pinpt.com Manager Support Services Phone (408) 997-6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation Fax (408) 323-2300 http://www.pinpt.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 17:10:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA14989 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA14980 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09681 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:23:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA14331 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:06:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199608101949.QAA25867@unix1.ism.com.br> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica wrote: > A little off-topic, but... Is it possible to limit the maximum size > of a message a user can receive (and send), (beside using quotas in his home > directory). I have some users that like to exchange 6 mb files with his > friends by e-mail ! > I'm using Sendmail8.7.5 in a FreeBSD2.1R. I checked out the O'Relly > Sendmail's book but not luck. Any ideas ? Page 388 Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 17:31:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16991 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16986 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allenh (ppp15.wtrt.net [205.231.181.85]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA03853 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:31:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608130031.TAA03853@inetsrv.wtrt.net> From: "Allen Hyer" To: Subject: Versions Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:30:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am running FreeBSD v2.1.5-RELEASE, can someone tell me how to check what versions of sendmail and named I am running? Thanks, Allen Hyer West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 18:00:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21664 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blacksun.reef.com (blacksun.REEF.COM [199.2.91.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21646 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by blacksun.reef.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26882; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:57:05 -0700 From: james@reef.com (James Buszard-Welcher) Message-Id: <9608121757.ZM26880@blacksun.reef.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:57:05 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Allen Hyer" "Versions" (Aug 12, 5:35pm) References: <199608130031.TAA03853@inetsrv.wtrt.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: "Allen Hyer" , Subject: Re: Versions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Go into Debug mode: sendmail -db On Aug 12, 5:35pm, Allen Hyer wrote: > Subject: Versions > I am running FreeBSD v2.1.5-RELEASE, can someone tell me how to check what > versions of sendmail and named I am running? > > Thanks, > Allen Hyer > West Texas Rural Telephone >-- End of excerpt from Allen Hyer -- James Buszard-Welcher | ph. (847) 729-8600 | "Just don't create a file Silicon Reef, Inc. | FAX (847) 729-1560 | called -rf" -Larry Wall From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 18:19:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24303 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24256 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608130119.SAA24256@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from tpc-pc1 by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:29:58 +1200 X-Sender: CHarding@mail.massey.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:29:57 +1200 To: Jason Wilson , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz (Craig Harding) Subject: Re: INN X-Mailer: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jason Wilson wrote: >After starting INN everything runs smoothly; feeds come in/go out fine, nnrp >clients connect and read/post fine etc etc. After running for about >15-30 minutes everything stops. All incoming and outgoing nntp feeds >close, nnrp clients hang, ctlinnd hangs, and when I telnet to >the nntp port it times out with dest unreachable. From a ps listing >everything looks normal. Everything was working fine until I reinstalled >FBSD a few days ago. Just a thought - did anything happen to your swap configuration or similar when you reinstalled FreeBSD? INN keeps everything in memory and grows to be a very large process. In my configuration it starts out at around 2MB at boot-time and slowly grows over the next hour or so to 6-7MB. This could interact with a swap or memory problem with the result you describe. -- C. -- Craig Harding Editor, Massey University Television Production Centre "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 19:07:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA00252 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gbdata.com (GB2.Brewich.COM [207.90.222.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00234 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA15660; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:06:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199608130206.VAA15660@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: Versions To: james@reef.com (James Buszard-Welcher) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:06:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9608121757.ZM26880@blacksun.reef.com> from James Buszard-Welcher at "Aug 12, 96 05:57:05 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk James Buszard-Welcher wrote: > Go into Debug mode: > > sendmail -db > For sendmail why don't you just telnet to port 25? e.g. telnet localhost 25 This will give the version. For named look at /var/log/messages, when named starts up it will print its version info. > > On Aug 12, 5:35pm, Allen Hyer wrote: > > Subject: Versions > > I am running FreeBSD v2.1.5-RELEASE, can someone tell me how to check what > > versions of sendmail and named I am running? > > > > Thanks, > > Allen Hyer Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups mail info@GBData.COM for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 19:12:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01266 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01252 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA10302 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:21:27 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199608122121.VAA10302@ecpi.com> Subject: help: getty doesnot start on the 11th line... To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:21:26 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am running 2.0.5 with Boca card for some time. Recently we added extra lines for the more dial-up capability. I have compiled the kernel to have 16 sio ports with the boca-16 card. I can use all 16 port individually. But when I have 10 dial-up lined used and I try to use 11th line the modem picks up the phone but the getty process does not start. Don't get any thing. When there are less than 10 ports in use then I can log on to any of the 16 ports. Please help. Thanks, Tushar tpatel@ecpi.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 19:27:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03412 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03407 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allenh (ppp15.wtrt.net [205.231.181.85]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA04485 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:28:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608130228.VAA04485@inetsrv.wtrt.net> From: "Allen Hyer" To: Subject: Re: Versions Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:26:17 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, thanks to the suggestions I have gotten the version # for sendmail. Here is the output from named in /var/log/messages when it started. Is the version # LOCAL-960717.011537? I was expecting a number more like 4.9 Aug 12 13:39:11 inetsrv named[1331]: starting. named LOCAL-960717.011537 Wed Jul 17 01:15:37 1996 jkh@whisker.cdrom.com:/usr/src/usr.sbin/named Aug 12 13:39:11 inetsrv named[1332]: Ready to answer queries. While on the subject of named, can someone tell me what these messages (also from /var/log/messages) mean? Aug 12 13:38:53 inetsrv named[827]: Lame server on 'accucom.net' (in 'accucom.NET'?): [206.135.75.2].53 'NS1.CCI-INTERNET.COM': learnt (A=128.9.0.107,NS=128.9.0.107) Thanks again, Allen Hyer West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 19:28:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03497 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03487 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA10692 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:36:42 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199608122136.VAA10692@ecpi.com> Subject: Help: Can't get getty for the 11th line. To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:36:42 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am not sure my first mail got through or not so I am sending it again. I am running freebsd 2.0.5 with boca16. I can individually log on to any of the 16 ports, but when 10 ports are used simultaneously and try to log on to the 11th port then I don't get the getty process. Any suggestion in solving the problem. It is only the simultaneous connection which is causing the problem. Please help. Thanks, Tushar From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 19:49:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07167 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (COMSYS.COM [192.94.236.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07155 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 95server (ptp59.rof.net [206.168.17.59]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA17859; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:59:46 GMT Message-ID: <320FDEB5.1BE7@comsys.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:47:33 -0500 From: Alex Huppenthal Reply-To: alex@comsys.com Organization: Communication Systems Research Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Harding CC: Jason Wilson , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: INN References: <199608130119.SAA24256@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Craig Harding wrote: > > Jason Wilson wrote: > > >After starting INN everything runs smoothly; feeds come in/go out fine, nnrp > >clients connect and read/post fine etc etc. After running for about > >15-30 minutes everything stops. All incoming and outgoing nntp feeds > >close, nnrp clients hang, ctlinnd hangs, and when I telnet to > >the nntp port it times out with dest unreachable. From a ps listing > >everything looks normal. Everything was working fine until I reinstalled > >FBSD a few days ago. > > Just a thought - did anything happen to your swap configuration or similar > when you reinstalled FreeBSD? INN keeps everything in memory and grows to be > a very large process. In my configuration it starts out at around 2MB at > boot-time and slowly grows over the next hour or so to 6-7MB. This could > interact with a swap or memory problem with the result you describe. > > -- C. > -- > Craig Harding Editor, Massey University Television Production Centre > "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly Check aliases of ip addresses. Check your dns records. Check your resolver. -Alex From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 21:36:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA16484 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16476 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA21258; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:36:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Allen Hyer" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Versions In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:30:12 CDT." <199608130031.TAA03853@inetsrv.wtrt.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:36:06 -0400 Message-ID: <21255.839910966@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Allen Hyer" wrote in message ID <199608130031.TAA03853@inetsrv.wtrt.net>: > I am running FreeBSD v2.1.5-RELEASE, can someone tell me how to check what > versions of sendmail and named I am running? Sendmail: telnet localhost smtp (read banner) DNS: you'll have to take my word (I believe) that it's a 4.9.3BETA (24 sperings to mind). You can check the commit logs if you download the CVS tree. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 21:40:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA16892 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16878 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA21593; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Allen Hyer" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Versions In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:26:17 CDT." <199608130228.VAA04485@inetsrv.wtrt.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: <21589.839911218@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Allen Hyer" wrote in message ID <199608130228.VAA04485@inetsrv.wtrt.net>: > Ok, thanks to the suggestions I have gotten the version # for sendmail. > Here is the output from named in /var/log/messages when it started. Is the > version # LOCAL-960717.011537? I was expecting a number more like 4.9 > Aug 12 13:39:11 inetsrv named[1331]: starting. named LOCAL-960717.011537 > Wed Jul 17 01:15:37 1996 jkh@whisker.cdrom.com:/usr/src/usr.sbin/named > Aug 12 13:39:11 inetsrv named[1332]: Ready to answer queries. It's the script that generates the version no for compilation does this for some reason. In 2.1.5-RELEASE it SHOULD be 4.9.3BETA24 I think. > While on the subject of named, can someone tell me what these messages > (also from /var/log/messages) mean? > Aug 12 13:38:53 inetsrv named[827]: Lame server on 'accucom.net' (in > 'accucom.NET'?): [206.135.75.2].53 'NS1.CCI-INTERNET.COM': learnt > (A=128.9.0.107,NS=128.9.0.107) That someone or something to do with accucom.net's DNS has messed up. Nothing you should worry about. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 22:07:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA18223 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18216 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allenh (ppp15.wtrt.net [205.231.181.85]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA05266 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:08:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608130508.AAA05266@inetsrv.wtrt.net> From: "Allen Hyer" To: Subject: adduser problem Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:06:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk First, let me thank everyone who responded to my previous posts. Now, I have a new problem. My FreeBSD box (2.1.5-RELEASE) has about 150 accounts set up. Recently, adduser has started replying an error message: chown: guest: illegal group name I have searched through the /etc/group file and everything looks ok to me. Another symptom, in the /home directory, on an ls -l, the output looks like this .... drwxr-xr-x 2 ruddent 31 512 Jun 26 14:54 ruddent/ drwxr-xr-x 2 sanders 31 512 Jul 16 15:50 sanders/ drwxr-xr-x 2 sharon 31 512 Jul 12 15:54 sharon/ drwxr-xr-x 2 shayroo 31 512 May 23 15:44 shayroo/ drwxr-xr-x 2 sjrtx 31 512 May 29 14:38 sjrtx/ .... I think it used to look like this: .... drwxr-xr-x 2 ruddent guest 512 Jun 26 14:54 ruddent/ drwxr-xr-x 2 sanders guest 512 Jul 16 15:50 sanders/ drwxr-xr-x 2 sharon guest 512 Jul 12 15:54 sharon/ drwxr-xr-x 2 shayroo guest 512 May 23 15:44 shayroo/ drwxr-xr-x 2 sjrtx guest 512 May 29 14:38 sjrtx/ .... so, instead of showing guest group ownership, ls -l shows 31. Any ideas? Thanks, Allen Hyer West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 12 22:48:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA22417 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22406 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA02386; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:44:29 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:44:29 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199608131344.NAA02386@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adduser problem Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Now, I have a new problem. My FreeBSD box (2.1.5-RELEASE) has about 150 > accounts set up. Recently, adduser has started replying an error message: > > chown: guest: illegal group name > > I have searched through the /etc/group file and everything looks ok to me. > Another symptom, in the /home directory, on an ls -l, the output looks like > this > > .... > drwxr-xr-x 2 ruddent 31 512 Jun 26 14:54 ruddent/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 sanders 31 512 Jul 16 15:50 sanders/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 sharon 31 512 Jul 12 15:54 sharon/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 shayroo 31 512 May 23 15:44 shayroo/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 sjrtx 31 512 May 29 14:38 sjrtx/ > .... > > I think it used to look like this: > > .... > drwxr-xr-x 2 ruddent guest 512 Jun 26 14:54 ruddent/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 sanders guest 512 Jul 16 15:50 sanders/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 sharon guest 512 Jul 12 15:54 sharon/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 shayroo guest 512 May 23 15:44 shayroo/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 sjrtx guest 512 May 29 14:38 sjrtx/ > .... > > so, instead of showing guest group ownership, ls -l shows 31. > > Any ideas? > Hi, I had met the same problem. When I made another group named guest1 and moved some users to guest1, all went ok. Why? Is there a max user account number? --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 02:32:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA03397 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA03359 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA03156 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:40:04 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:40:04 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199608131740.RAA03156@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Setup SmartList? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Can someone help me with setting up Smartlist(maillist)-3.10 on FreeBSD-2.1-Stable? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 04:25:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA08400 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 04:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA08395 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 04:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous234.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.234]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA15769; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:56:59 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00442; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:44:04 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:44:04 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199608131044.MAA00442@campa.panke.de> To: xiyuan qian Cc: allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adduser problem In-Reply-To: <199608131344.NAA02386@npc.haplink.co.cn> References: <199608131344.NAA02386@npc.haplink.co.cn> Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk xiyuan qian writes: >Hi, I had met the same problem. When I made another group named >guest1 and moved some users to guest1, all went ok. Why? Is there a >max user account number? [group(5) rev 1.4] LIMITS A group cannot have more than 200 members. The maximum line length of /etc/group is 1024 characters. Longer lines will be skiped. Wolfram From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 04:50:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA09632 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 04:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sam.networx.ie (dublin-ts19-155.indigo.ie [194.125.134.155]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA09624 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 04:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mip1.networx.ie (mip1.networx.ie [194.9.12.1]) by sam.networx.ie (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA06804 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:54:07 +0100 X-Organisation: I.T. NetworX Ltd X-Business: Network Consultancy and Training X-Address: 67 Merrion Square, Dublin 2, Ireland X-Voice: +353-1-676-8866 X-Fax: +353-1-676-8868 Received: from mike.networx.ie by mip1.networx.ie Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:48:37 BST From: Michael Ryan Reply-To: mike@NetworX.ie Subject: gated config for ospf and bgp To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Has anybody got a sample gated config file which shows how to configure it for OSPF and BGP? If anybody replies, could you please also indicate your router topology, so I can understand the config file? Thanks, Mike --- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 06:46:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA14094 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14088 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id JAA13895; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:44:56 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199608131344.JAA13895@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: Versions To: allenh@wtrt.net (Allen Hyer) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608130228.VAA04485@inetsrv.wtrt.net> from Allen Hyer at "Aug 12, 96 09:26:17 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Allen Hyer writes: > > While on the subject of named, can someone tell me what these messages > (also from /var/log/messages) mean? > > Aug 12 13:38:53 inetsrv named[827]: Lame server on 'accucom.net' (in > 'accucom.NET'?): [206.135.75.2].53 'NS1.CCI-INTERNET.COM': learnt > (A=128.9.0.107,NS=128.9.0.107) > ftp://rs.internic.net/policy/internic/internic-domain-6.txt John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 07:35:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16514 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16509 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA10163; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:34:37 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608131434.JAA10163@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: gated config for ospf and bgp To: mike@networx.ie Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:34:37 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Ryan" at Aug 13, 96 09:48:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Has anybody got a sample gated config file which shows how > to configure it for OSPF and BGP? > > If anybody replies, could you please also indicate your > router topology, so I can understand the config file? I too would be fascinated in this information. I've been planning to go this route (no pun intended) but haven't had time to dig through the gated documentation and somewhat contradictory examples, and I don't care to make my production networks into a testbed. :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 08:00:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18284 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18276 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0uqKwr-0008wuC; Tue, 13 Aug 96 08:00 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Versions To: jc@irbs.com (John Capo) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608131344.JAA13895@irbs.irbs.com> from "John Capo" at Aug 13, 96 09:44:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Aug 12 13:38:53 inetsrv named[827]: Lame server on 'accucom.net' > > ftp://rs.internic.net/policy/internic/internic-domain-6.txt I didn't see anything in there that explained what a "lame server" is... -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 08:02:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18390 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18385 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0uqKyJ-0008xIC; Tue, 13 Aug 96 08:01 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: adduser problem To: wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: xiyuan@npc.haplink.co.cn, allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608131044.MAA00442@campa.panke.de> from "Wolfram Schneider" at Aug 13, 96 12:44:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > LIMITS > A group cannot have more than 200 members. The maximum line length of > /etc/group is 1024 characters. Longer lines will be skiped. If it's the user's primary group (e.g. the one in the password file), they don't need to be in the group file, so this limit doesn't apply. That's how I got around it. -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 08:14:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18933 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18928 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA10255; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:12:44 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608131512.KAA10255@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Versions To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:12:44 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jc@irbs.com, allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Alan Batie" at Aug 13, 96 08:00:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Aug 12 13:38:53 inetsrv named[827]: Lame server on 'accucom.net' > > > > ftp://rs.internic.net/policy/internic/internic-domain-6.txt > > I didn't see anything in there that explained what a "lame server" is... See the documentation for BIND. A lame server is a server which is supposedly authoritative for a zone (i.e. has an NS record pointed at it) but returns an answer that is not authoritative. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 12:13:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04205 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04200 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id PAA15769; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199608131909.PAA15769@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: Versions To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jc@irbs.com, allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Alan Batie at "Aug 13, 96 08:00:01 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Alan Batie writes: > > > Aug 12 13:38:53 inetsrv named[827]: Lame server on 'accucom.net' > > > > ftp://rs.internic.net/policy/internic/internic-domain-6.txt > > I didn't see anything in there that explained what a "lame server" is... You're right. There is a draft on lame server policies but it looks like I saved the wrong URL. Poking around on rs.internic.net doesn't turn it up either. A lame server is one that has been delegated authority for a zone but returns a answer that is not authoritative for that zone. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 13:52:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10055 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10043 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00824 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:39:54 -0500 (CDT) From: zeeb@digitaladvantage.net (Russ Panula) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Microsoft IEAK Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:01:13 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Message-ID: <3210fae5.13046503@mail.digitaladvantage.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody successfully set up Microsoft's IEAK using a FreeBSD/Apache combination? Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 14:25:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12199 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.netpath.net (server1.netpath.net [205.139.153.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12186 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.netpath.net (server1.netpath.net [205.139.153.2]) by server1.netpath.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA10307; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:24:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Geoffrey Deasey X-Sender: deasey@server1.netpath.net To: Russ Panula cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft IEAK In-Reply-To: <3210fae5.13046503@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Has anybody successfully set up Microsoft's IEAK using a FreeBSD/Apache > combination? > > Russ > If they have I would love to hear about it. Geoffrey Deasey / / /\ / / / \/ Netpath/Stratonet /__ / / \/ /__/ /\ 910-226-0425 Forever ! From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 15:44:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18074 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uk1.vbc.net (jdd@uk1.vbc.net [204.137.194.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18064 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jdd@localhost) by uk1.vbc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA28365; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:43:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:43:07 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Dixon To: Michael Ryan cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated config for ospf and bgp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Michael Ryan wrote: > Has anybody got a sample gated config file which shows how > to configure it for OSPF and BGP? > > If anybody replies, could you please also indicate your > router topology, so I can understand the config file? OSPF and BGP4 can both get complex. What is your intended configuration? -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 http://www.uk.vbc.net VBCnet West +1 408 971 2682 fax +1 408 971 2684 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 16:28:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19897 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19883 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.6.10/DPC-1.0) with SMTP id QAA07341; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:14:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow X-Sender: dan@cedb To: Russ Panula cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft IEAK In-Reply-To: <3210fae5.13046503@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Russ Panula wrote: > Has anybody successfully set up Microsoft's IEAK using a FreeBSD/Apache > combination? Depends on what you classify as succesful. I've got the CGI setup and it sends out pages correctly, including the final .ins files. But, while it works for 3.1, Win95 puts up the "You are posting data" warning (and I am using GET like they say to) and worse, at the end when the user hits Finish and I send out the .ins file, Win95 says it doesn't know how to handle it ! :(. But 3.1 works so I know that I have the AddType setting correct. Might be something screwy with the Win95 system I'm using to test it with but after spending a couple of days on it I've decided to let it sit for a week or so before going back at it. The cgi is a combination of C + template HTML files. It's pretty ugly at the moment but I'll be cleaning it up before my next stab at this. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 16:39:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20390 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synwork.com (root@synwork.com [199.3.234.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20385 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synwork.com (flaq@ns1.synwork.com [204.120.255.17]) by synwork.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06210; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:39:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:39:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike To: Dan Busarow cc: Russ Panula , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft IEAK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Dan Busarow wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Russ Panula wrote: > > Has anybody successfully set up Microsoft's IEAK using a FreeBSD/Apache > > combination? > Alright, what's IEAK? :) Mike ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Syn-Work Media, Inc. | WWW Development & Hosting | Life Safety http://www.synwork.com | Systems Integration | CCTV mike@synwork.com | Voice/Data/Fiber | Access Control Flaq on IRC | Dukane Distributor | BICSI/RCDD :|:|:|: Powered By FreeBSD :|:|:|: Turning PC's Into Workstations ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 17:03:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21420 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21415 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allenh (ppp22.wtrt.net [205.231.181.92]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA09664 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:04:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608140004.TAA09664@inetsrv.wtrt.net> From: "Allen Hyer" To: Subject: Re: adduser problem Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:02:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Wolfram Schneider > To: xiyuan qian > Cc: allenh@wtrt.net; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: adduser problem > Date: Tuesday, August 13, 1996 5:44 AM > > xiyuan qian writes: > > >Hi, I had met the same problem. When I made another group named > >guest1 and moved some users to guest1, all went ok. Why? Is there a > >max user account number? > > [group(5) rev 1.4] > LIMITS > A group cannot have more than 200 members. The maximum line length of > /etc/group is 1024 characters. Longer lines will be skiped. > > Wolfram Ok, now I see that there are limits on the /etc/group file. This is almost definately the problem that I have run into. Is there a prettier workaround than splitting the groups? How much of an undertaking would it be for me to hack the sources to expand the limits? Any help is appreciated! Thanks, Allen Hyer West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 18:41:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26223 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26215 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01543; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:28:35 -0500 (CDT) From: zeeb@digitaladvantage.net (Russ Panula) To: Dan Busarow Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft IEAK Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:49:56 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Message-ID: <32113aa3.316137@mail.digitaladvantage.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Dan Busarow wrote: >On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Russ Panula wrote: >> Has anybody successfully set up Microsoft's IEAK using a FreeBSD/Apache >> combination? > >Depends on what you classify as succesful. I've got the CGI setup and it >sends out pages correctly, including the final .ins files. But, while >it works for 3.1, Win95 puts up the "You are posting data" warning (and I >am using GET like they say to) and worse, at the end when the user hits >Finish and I send out the .ins file, Win95 says it doesn't know how to >handle it ! :(. But 3.1 works so I know that I have the AddType setting >correct. > I'll keep this in mind.. >Might be something screwy with the Win95 system I'm using to test it with >but after spending a couple of days on it I've decided to let it sit for a >week or so before going back at it. > >The cgi is a combination of C + template HTML files. It's pretty ugly at >the moment but I'll be cleaning it up before my next stab at this. > I'd be interested in the C modifications you made.. My C skills are somewhat lacking.. Specifically, cgiutil.cpp, cgiutil.h, and signup.cpp would help out a lot. >Dan >-- > Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 > DPC Systems dan@dpcsys.com > Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 > > Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 18:43:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26334 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26318 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01551; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:30:46 -0500 (CDT) From: zeeb@digitaladvantage.net (Russ Panula) To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft IEAK Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:52:08 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Message-ID: <32113ee0.1401127@mail.digitaladvantage.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:39:19 -0500 (CDT), Mike wrote: >On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Dan Busarow wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Russ Panula wrote: >> > Has anybody successfully set up Microsoft's IEAK using a FreeBSD/Apache >> > combination? >> > >Alright, what's IEAK? :) > Envision AOL hand-out disks using Internet Explorer and you've got the picture. http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ieak/ for more information. >Mike > >~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ > Syn-Work Media, Inc. | WWW Development & Hosting | Life Safety > http://www.synwork.com | Systems Integration | CCTV > mike@synwork.com | Voice/Data/Fiber | Access Control > Flaq on IRC | Dukane Distributor | BICSI/RCDD > :|:|:|: Powered By FreeBSD :|:|:|: > Turning PC's Into Workstations >~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ > Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 13 19:54:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29503 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29492 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.6.10/DPC-1.0) with SMTP id TAA08461; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:41:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow X-Sender: dan@cedb To: Russ Panula cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft IEAK In-Reply-To: <32113aa3.316137@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Russ Panula wrote: > Specifically, cgiutil.cpp, cgiutil.h, and signup.cpp would help out a lot. I scrapped all of their stuff and just wrote it from scratch using the same technique of name'ing the submit buttons and having hidden fields pointing at the next and previous pages. All I really used from their samples was the .ins format. What you want is a single executable that serves up different pages based on it's command line args, nothing terribly tricky in that. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 06:04:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28026 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28021 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA11322 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 03:54:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 03:54:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199608140854.DAA11322@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: Share T1 voice/data? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can the T1 be shared for both data and telephone voice line? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 06:49:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA00119 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itchy.serv.net (itchy.serv.net [199.201.191.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00112 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from begonia@localhost) by itchy.serv.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) id GAA13664; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:49:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: INN problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We've been having problems with inn just up and dying lately, ie, it just stops running. The only thing that shows up in the log files are error messages like the ones below. We tried upgrading to inn1.4unoff4 and that hasn't seemed to help at all. Aug 8 13:56:51 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 7430400 bytes Cannot allocate memory Aug 13 19:04:41 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 4374784 bytes Cannot allocate memory Aug 14 04:41:04 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 9429248 bytes Cannot allocate memory Has anybody had a problem like this, or have any idea whats going on? Thanks for any help. Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ServNet/Abstract Software sjkb@abstractsoft.com http://www.serv.net/~begonia ``Just another one of the flock following the herd.'' From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 07:39:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02404 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02395 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA11682; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:37:14 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608141437.JAA11682@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: gated config for ospf and bgp To: jdd@vbc.net (Jim Dixon) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:37:14 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mike@networx.ie, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jim Dixon" at Aug 13, 96 11:43:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Michael Ryan wrote: > > > Has anybody got a sample gated config file which shows how > > to configure it for OSPF and BGP? > > > > If anybody replies, could you please also indicate your > > router topology, so I can understand the config file? > > OSPF and BGP4 can both get complex. What is your intended configuration? I don't know about Michael, but I'm looking to provide internal and external redundancy. Internally I'd like to provide dual backbone Ethernets and probably do some basic load balancing between them, but set it up so that in case of a hub or switch failure, or problem with an Ethernet NIC or something, the load automatically switches to the "good" network. >From an implementation point of view, customers here are generally connected via a single circuit, and connect to a border router. Our outbound connection to the Internet is done the same way. Our core routers either connect to other local equipment (DNS, mail, news servers, etc) or to core routers at other POP's. What I would like to see... -------- net1-> o-----|Core1 | -------------------------| -------- | | | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | | | | | | | | -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- | |Border| |Border| |Border| |Border| |Border| |Border| |Border| |Border| | -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- | | | | | | | | | | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | -------- -------------------------------|Core2 | -------- where some number "n" of the border routers connect to backbone service providers (and speak BGP4), others speak to customers, and independent core routers duplicate services (i.e. multiple nets, to which both core routers connect, such as net1 above). The strategy is obviously to attempt to provide continuous IP connectivity through a single point of failure. Externally, I would like to peer with multiple service providers, and I do not want to do so off of the same border router. That's _my_ goal. :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 07:39:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02463 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02456 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA11708; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:38:41 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608141438.JAA11708@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: INN problem To: begonia@itchy.serv.net (Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:38:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush" at Aug 14, 96 06:49:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We've been having problems with inn just up and dying lately, ie, it just > stops running. The only thing that shows up in the log files are error > messages like the ones below. We tried upgrading to inn1.4unoff4 and > that hasn't seemed to help at all. > > Aug 8 13:56:51 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 7430400 bytes Cannot > allocate memory > Aug 13 19:04:41 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 4374784 bytes Cannot > allocate memory > Aug 14 04:41:04 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 9429248 bytes Cannot > allocate memory > > Has anybody had a problem like this, or have any idea whats going on? I've seen that for a long time. Doing an "unlimit" before rc.news helps the situation, but does not entirely fix it. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 07:52:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA03319 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03313 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA11737; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:51:50 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608141451.JAA11737@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Share T1 voice/data? To: gism@isot.isot.com (Global Internet Shopping Mall) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:51:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608140854.DAA11322@isot.isot.com> from "Global Internet Shopping Mall" at Aug 14, 96 03:54:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can the T1 be shared for both data and telephone voice line? Yes. Actually doing it is an exercise left up to the reader, however. Hint: Sprint offers some options along these lines, I believe. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 07:59:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA03757 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dial2.cyvox.net.au (dial2.cyvox.net.au [203.24.200.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03749 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from a@localhost) by dial2.cyvox.net.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA27259 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:28:48 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:26:09 +0930 (CST) Organization: CyVox Internet From: Alek Argirov To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there a way of forcing the removal of mail from the server when using popd? cheers, Alek. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 07:59:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA03784 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pahtoh.cwu.edu (root@pahtoh.cwu.edu [198.104.65.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03778 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tahoma.cwu.edu (skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu [198.104.67.25]) by pahtoh.cwu.edu (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA20791; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:59:26 -0700 Received: (from skynyrd@localhost) by tahoma.cwu.edu (8.6.13/8.6.9) id HAA09380; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:59:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Timmons To: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INN problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm... inn is a notorious memory hog. What is your HW config? How much physical memory? swap? Which release of FreeBSD are you running? Probably 96MB physical is a minimum for inn with anything near a full feed and a bunch of clients. -Chris On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush wrote: > We've been having problems with inn just up and dying lately, ie, it just > stops running. The only thing that shows up in the log files are error > messages like the ones below. We tried upgrading to inn1.4unoff4 and > that hasn't seemed to help at all. > > Aug 8 13:56:51 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 7430400 bytes Cannot > allocate memory > Aug 13 19:04:41 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 4374784 bytes Cannot > allocate memory > Aug 14 04:41:04 brockman innd: ME cant remalloc 9429248 bytes Cannot > allocate memory > > Has anybody had a problem like this, or have any idea whats going on? > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ServNet/Abstract Software > sjkb@abstractsoft.com http://www.serv.net/~begonia > ``Just another one of the flock following the herd.'' > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 08:18:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA04800 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04794 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA11810; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:16:03 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608141516.KAA11810@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: INN problem To: skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu (Chris Timmons) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:16:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: begonia@itchy.serv.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chris Timmons" at Aug 14, 96 07:59:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmmm... inn is a notorious memory hog. What is your HW config? How much > physical memory? swap? Which release of FreeBSD are you running? > > Probably 96MB physical is a minimum for inn with anything near a full > feed and a bunch of clients. I've seen this happen on a machine with 256MB RAM and more swap space than most people have for their entire disk space. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 08:24:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05285 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genghis_khan.dbeach.com (genghis_khan.dbeach.com [207.18.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05260 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from naief@localhost) by genghis_khan.dbeach.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA15592; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:20:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Admin To: Chris Timmons cc: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: INN problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Chris Timmons wrote: > > Hmmm... inn is a notorious memory hog. What is your HW config? How much > physical memory? swap? Which release of FreeBSD are you running? > > Probably 96MB physical is a minimum for inn with anything near a full > feed and a bunch of clients. How many is bunch equal to? How many clients can connect at any one time and read news on a 2.1R box which has 128MB RAM and 166Pentium CPU and obtain "OK" service (Running INN1.4sec which is in the ports collection that came on the CD) Thanx in advance :) Naief > > -Chris > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 08:57:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA10282 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10277 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-089.etinc.com (ppp-089.etinc.com [204.141.95.148]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05833; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:00:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:00:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199608141600.MAA05833@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Global Internet Shopping Mall From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: Re: Share T1 voice/data? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Can the T1 be shared for both data and telephone voice line? > Sure. Just get a CSU with voice capability. We rep a unit that can either have a DSX interface or direct RJ-11s (FXS, FX0 or 4 wire E&M), and can allocate any number of DS0s to the V.35 for data. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 09:07:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10903 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10896 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA11905; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:04:11 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608141604.LAA11905@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: INN problem To: naief@genghis_khan.dbeach.com (Network Admin) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:04:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu, begonia@itchy.serv.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Network Admin" at Aug 14, 96 11:20:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Chris Timmons wrote: > > > > > Hmmm... inn is a notorious memory hog. What is your HW config? How much > > physical memory? swap? Which release of FreeBSD are you running? > > > > Probably 96MB physical is a minimum for inn with anything near a full > > feed and a bunch of clients. > How many is bunch equal to? > > How many clients can connect at any one time and read news on a 2.1R box > which has 128MB RAM and 166Pentium CPU and obtain "OK" service > (Running INN1.4sec which is in the ports collection that came on the CD) > > Thanx in advance :) Given an appropriate disk I/O subsystem, I would probably hazard a guess of about 110, based on a client's experiences and observations. CPU is not a real factor - get a P133 or even P100. You need to be running the sharedactive patch too. Note: This does not prevent you from trying to drive 250 clients off of the box, but performance suffers and your feeds will not keep up - you lose news. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 09:31:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12015 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12003 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA05682; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:43:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05075; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:27:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: inet-access@earth.com cc: linuxisp@jeffnet.org, iap@vma.cc.nd.edu, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, os2-isp@dental.stat.com Subject: ISP's are being sued Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>More ISPCON info. >>There was a guy there who claims to know these things and he says that >>Netscape is looking at swooping down on illegal copies of its software. >>He also claims that Trumpet *IS* definitely going to swoop down. >Actually they both have already done so. Trumpet sued the largest >ISP in Australia and won, and is targeting some in the U.S. now. >Netscape has sent requests for payment to a number of ISP's >and told them they had to pay for all copies they ever distributed. The above 4 lines come from a different source than my info and in fact from a person who should be even closer to this stuff. So it looks like a LOT of ISP's are going to receive some big bills and either pay them or go broke. The prices for legal copies of Netscape are not that bad if you go to CCSWEB, Usfulware or Intercon. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 09:34:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12252 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lantimes.com (mail.lantimes.com [140.174.133.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12244 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: brian_riggs@lantimes.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.lantimes.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id JAA06155 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:11:47 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by cc_mail.lantimes.com id AA840040215 Wed, 14 Aug 96 09:30:15 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 09:30:15 Message-Id: <9607148400.AA840040215@cc_mail.lantimes.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe to freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 09:35:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12324 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12309 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-089.etinc.com (ppp-089.etinc.com [204.141.95.148]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06111; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:39:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:39:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199608141639.MAA06111@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Global Internet Shopping Mall From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: Re: Share T1 voice/data? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Can the T1 be shared for both data and telephone voice line? > Sure. Just get a CSU with voice capability. We rep a unit that can either have a DSX interface or direct RJ-11s (FXS, FX0 or 4 wire E&M), and can allocate any number of DS0s to the V.35 for data. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 09:50:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13288 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.intrastar.net (BSD.INTRASTAR.NET [206.136.25.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13283 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsuter@localhost) by bsd.intrastar.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10980; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:44:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:44:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacob Suter To: Global Internet Shopping Mall cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Share T1 voice/data? In-Reply-To: <199608140854.DAA11322@isot.isot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Global Internet Shopping Mall wrote: > Can the T1 be shared for both data and telephone voice line? Yes... If your telco is so kind as to tell digital service by the DS0.. Basically what they do is configure "DS0-1 = 56/64, DS0-2 = Voice grade, etc etc"... There are a couple problems with this scenario. what happens in the telco office is that there is a cable (resembling a good 'ol RJ-45 4-wire) jumping from their equipment to the channel bank to be used to deliver the voice/data service. On the data it doesn't much matter, maybe an additional ms or two of lag, on the other hand the voice quality goes DOWN hard. because the timing on the D/A converters on the channel bank will never be really synched with the A/D converters on the switch (and vise versa) you loose a lot of your top-end sound quality, which means your top connection speed is NOT going to be 28.8k, but about 24.0K. Unluckily at the moment I am living this nightmare. there are ways around it for the telco, which are in reality cheaper and a whole lot better than this, but GTE (my telco) is too stupid to figure out how to do it (basically elimination of the D/A-A/D conversions at the CO, direct wiring digital service from the switch to the channel bank). I hope this has helped. Good luck, JS From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 09:53:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13541 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whyy.org (root@internal-gw.whyy.org [199.234.236.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13536 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tvmaster1.whyy.org (tvmaster1.whyy.org [199.234.236.48]) by whyy.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27690; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960814165411.31972bdc@199.234.236.254> X-Sender: jehrenkrantz@199.234.236.254 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:54:11 -0400 To: Joe Greco From: Jeffrey Ehrenkrantz Subject: Re: INN problem Cc: skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu, begonia@itchy.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk JG, On a related matter What size pipe is required to deal with the load you mention. Specificaly Full news feed without loss of feed data ? tnx ..je At 11:04 AM 8/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Chris Timmons wrote: >> > >Given an appropriate disk I/O subsystem, I would probably hazard a guess of >about 110, based on a client's experiences and observations. CPU is not a >real factor - get a P133 or even P100. You need to be running the >sharedactive patch too. > >Note: This does not prevent you from trying to drive 250 clients off of the >box, but performance suffers and your feeds will not keep up - you lose news. > >... JG > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 10:17:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15175 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15170 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA12149; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:14:04 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608141714.MAA12149@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: INN problem To: jehren@jehrenkrantz.whyy.org (Jeffrey Ehrenkrantz) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu, begonia@itchy.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960814165411.31972bdc@199.234.236.254> from "Jeffrey Ehrenkrantz" at Aug 14, 96 12:54:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > JG, On a related matter What size pipe is required to deal with the load you > mention. Specificaly Full news feed without loss of feed data ? > tnx ..je You mean, like, what speed connection to the Internet? Assuming you wanted *,!*binaries*, and you had an upstream host that was using innfeed, I would imagine you could do an inbound feed on an ISDN connection. However, Usenet is largely cooperative. You can generally buy a feed from your upstream provider or get it included as part of your package. Most midsize sites still want two or three complete feeds, however, and the price that you pay for that is that you must in turn feed those sites :-) That's the Usenet paradigm, and all my feeds are done this way. I run half a dozen feeds (bidirectional) on news.sol.net and I use up 34 minutes of T1 time per hour (or 34/60 of my bandwidth) on news traffic currently. This includes a full *binaries* feed, and it is interesting to note that I push a lot more out than I take in. I run dozens of feeds (bidirectional) on spool.mu.edu, and I often saturate the T1. That does not include any *binaries* groups. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 13:43:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA24796 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guarany.cpd.unb.br (guarany.cpd.unb.br [164.41.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24666 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.linf.unb.br by guarany.cpd.unb.br (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23057; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:17:08 -0300 Received: from pegasus by antares.linf.unb.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08044; Wed, 14 Aug 96 17:26:13 WST From: e8917523@antares.linf.unb.br (Daniel C. Sobral) Message-Id: <9608142126.AA08044@antares.linf.unb.br> Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:27:14 -0400 (WST) In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Aug 14, 96 09:27:42 am Disclaimer: Klaatu Barada Nikto! X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Dillon writes: > > >Netscape has sent requests for payment to a number of ISP's > >and told them they had to pay for all copies they ever distributed. > > The above 4 lines come from a different source than my info and in fact > from a person who should be even closer to this stuff. So it looks like a > LOT of ISP's are going to receive some big bills and either pay them or go > broke. The prices for legal copies of Netscape are not that bad if you go > to CCSWEB, Usfulware or Intercon. Interesting. Some ISPs here have contracts stating it is the responsibility of the client to register any of the softwares (given to them by the ISP) they use. Were this the case of the sued ISPs? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) e8917523@linf.unb.br "Master, do we seek victory in contention?" "Seek rather not to contend, for without contention there can be neither victory nor defeat." From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 13:49:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA25092 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from final.dystopia.fi (root@final.dystopia.fi [194.100.42.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24988 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kajtzu@localhost) by final.dystopia.fi (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA19126 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:46:44 +0300 From: "Kaj J. Niemi" Message-Id: <199608142046.XAA19126@final.dystopia.fi> Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:46:44 +0300 (EET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Aug 14, 96 09:27:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The above 4 lines come from a different source than my info and in fact > from a person who should be even closer to this stuff. So it looks like a > LOT of ISP's are going to receive some big bills and either pay them or go > broke. The prices for legal copies of Netscape are not that bad if you go > to CCSWEB, Usfulware or Intercon. How about choosing Microsoft Internet Explorer in the first place? Go to http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ieak/ (new) on how to redistribute M$IE for free to all your [prospective/current] users. I found it extremely interesting reading. :-) Other ISPs here in Finland either supply a _licensed_ copy of NN or use M$IE. M$IE is, imnsho, _way_ faster then Netscape will ever be. Just my few cents, -- Kaj - kajtzu@dystopia.fi/94800-30565 - PGP: C1EA5FC1657D9CDF-017C33F44433E712 "Hmm.. I need a ride to the morgue.. Hey! that's what Emergency-911 is for!!" "Only the tough work a code in the buff!" - "Quod erat demonstrandum, baby.." From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 14:20:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26719 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.w3page.com (root@p09.pm-3.pm.dimensional.com [206.100.130.73]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26713 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.w3page.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA03197 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:20:27 -0600 Message-ID: <3212431B.28AE515D@w3page.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:20:27 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Virtual FTP with FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have wu-ftpd 2.4.2 Beta 11 ( or just the patches ) to do "Virtual FTP" on FreeBSD 2.1 Release working? It seems to compile just fine, and work in the "normal" manner just fine. I would like anonymous ftp to domain1.com go to a different directory than an anonymous ftp to domain2.com... I have read the FAQ, but it does not cover the virtual ftp at all. If there is another FAQ, or a howto, Please point me in the right direction. I would appreciate something more than, "apply the patches, compile, add this line to the ftpaccess file..." That comes with it. Tis most likely something simple, but, I cannot find the answer. If someone out there has this working, please tell me what you are using, and where you got it... Thanks a bunch. Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 14:37:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27472 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enetis.net (enet1.enetis.net [206.31.204.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27463 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enet1 (enet1.enetis.net [206.31.204.1]) by enetis.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21903; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:36:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Justin England X-Sender: jengland@enet1 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued In-Reply-To: <9608142126.AA08044@antares.linf.unb.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Michael Dillon writes: > > > > >Netscape has sent requests for payment to a number of ISP's > > >and told them they had to pay for all copies they ever distributed. > > Interesting. Some ISPs here have contracts stating it is the responsibility > of the client to register any of the softwares (given to them by the ISP) > they use. > If I remember right, the Netscapes license DOES NOT allow for redistrubition. You can only obtain Netscape from a retail store, their web site, or through some of their .EDU mirror sites. Therefore, you cannot give out copies of netscape to your users without a contract with Netscape. Justin England From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 14:44:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27805 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itchy.mindspring.com (itchy.mindspring.com [204.180.128.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27799 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jf-isdn.usefulware.com (jf-isdn.usefulware.com [207.69.188.50]) by itchy.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04413; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960814213209.006b66fc@mail.atl.mindspring.com> X-Sender: isdn128@mail.atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:32:09 -0400 To: linuxisp@jeffnet.org, iap@vma.cc.nd.edu, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: UsefulWare Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe-- UsefulWare Inc. Software Solutions for ISP's Worldwide. Check out http://www.usefulware.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 15:12:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29158 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29153 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0uqoAv-0008x6C; Wed, 14 Aug 96 15:12 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: your mail To: alek@cyvox.net.au (Alek Argirov) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Alek Argirov" at Aug 15, 96 00:26:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there a way of forcing the removal of mail from the server when using popd? It wouldn't be hard to hack popd to do that, but you're likely to have some irate customers... -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 15:17:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29580 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29574 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-089.etinc.com (ppp-089.etinc.com [204.141.95.148]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08302 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:21:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:21:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199608142221.SAA08302@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk M. Dillon writes... >>>More ISPCON info. >>>There was a guy there who claims to know these things and he says that >>>Netscape is looking at swooping down on illegal copies of its software. >>>He also claims that Trumpet *IS* definitely going to swoop down. > >>Actually they both have already done so. Trumpet sued the largest >>ISP in Australia and won, and is targeting some in the U.S. now. >>Netscape has sent requests for payment to a number of ISP's >>and told them they had to pay for all copies they ever distributed. > >The above 4 lines come from a different source than my info and in fact >from a person who should be even closer to this stuff. So it looks like a >LOT of ISP's are going to receive some big bills and either pay them or go >broke. The prices for legal copies of Netscape are not that bad if you go >to CCSWEB, Usfulware or Intercon. > It seems that in this country (US), it would be difficult for anyone to sue for distributing something that was readily available as free, particularly older versions which were deemed "beta". Its obvious that Netscapes strategy was rather self-serving in becoming widely-used, and any decent lawyer should be able to argue that point. As for shareware, I dont see how Trumpet could sue for distributing the product, as the goal of shareware is to get wide-distribution. The product clearly displays the shareware message when your run it...it is the end-users responsibility to pay the user fee, unless of course the ISP implies that they would foot the bill in exchange for signing up with them Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 15:50:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01420 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01412 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06576; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:49:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:49:48 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Dennis cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued In-Reply-To: <199608142221.SAA08302@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Dennis wrote: > As for shareware, I dont see how Trumpet could sue for distributing the > product, as the goal of shareware is to get wide-distribution. The product > clearly displays the shareware message when your run it...it is the end-users > responsibility to pay the user fee, unless of course the ISP implies that they > would foot the bill in exchange for signing up with them As reported in {The Australian} the actual case of Trumpet International Software vs Ozemail hinged on the distribution of copies of Trumpet Winsock in an Ozemail trial disk bundled in a magazine. Trumpet had prior warning of the distribution and specifically asked Ozemail to pay or refrain. Ozemail went ahead with the distribution anyway, so Trumpet filed suit. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 17:01:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03890 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03885 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA11099 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:13:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA09260 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:57:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:57:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued In-Reply-To: <9608142126.AA08044@antares.linf.unb.br> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > The above 4 lines come from a different source than my info and in fact > > from a person who should be even closer to this stuff. So it looks like a > > LOT of ISP's are going to receive some big bills and either pay them or go > > broke. The prices for legal copies of Netscape are not that bad if you go > > to CCSWEB, Usfulware or Intercon. > > Interesting. Some ISPs here have contracts stating it is the responsibility > of the client to register any of the softwares (given to them by the ISP) > they use. > > Were this the case of the sued ISPs? Doesn't matter. If the ISP's are distributing Netscape without permission then they are breaking the law. The best solution is for them to stop breaking the law and tell their customers to either get their own software or buy something like Valet http://www.intercon.com/valet/ Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 14 17:15:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA04516 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04507 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA11275 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:28:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA09431 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:12:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued In-Reply-To: <199608142221.SAA08302@etinc.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Dennis wrote: > As for shareware, I dont see how Trumpet could sue for distributing the > product, as the goal of shareware is to get wide-distribution. The product > clearly displays the shareware message when your run it...it is the end-users > responsibility to pay the user fee, unless of course the ISP implies that they > would foot the bill in exchange for signing up with them And if the ISP's ads say "free software included with each account" then they certainly appear to be claiming that they are giving out software that does not require additional payment by the user. In which case the ISP will get a nice letter asking for money and if they don't pay, they will be in court paying their lawyers lots of money. If anyone is doing this their only hope is to get legit fast and hope that they haven't been noticed yet. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 03:27:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA29906 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA29901 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA132705; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:27:13 GMT Message-Id: <199608151027.KAA132705@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip202-135-14-115.sy.au.ibm.net(202.135.14.115) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smacTICrx; Thu Aug 15 10:27:04 1996 From: "Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [Team OS/2]" To: "Michael Dillon" , "Multiple recipients of list os2-isp" Cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "iap@vma.cc.nd.edu" , "linuxisp@jeffnet.org" , "OS/2 - Internet Service Provider" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 17:39:12 Reply-To: "Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [Team OS/2]" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:27:42 -0700 (PDT), Michael Dillon wrote: >>>He also claims that Trumpet *IS* definitely going to swoop down. >>Actually they both have already done so. Trumpet sued the largest >>ISP in Australia and won, and is targeting some in the U.S. now. >The above 4 lines come from a different source than my info and in fact >from a person who should be even closer to this stuff. So it looks like a The bit about Trumpet is definitely true. Peter Tattam sued OzEmail and won a substantial claim. I don't know that OzEmail is the largest ISP here, but they are big. The claim centered on the fact that OzEmail were NOT entitled to distribute Trumpet (shareware ver) without paying for it unless they left it intact as per distribution archive. They supplied it with custom scripts and buried in a custom installer to make it look like "their" product. Peter warned them once. They then did a big PC show and handed out thousands more disks (and on a magazine cover too) with the illegal distribution. So he sued, and won. Serves them right. ISPs have no more right to steal software than anyone else. They want to make a profit out of "giving" away software, they have to pay the costs. ====================================================== Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [Team OS/2] sysadm@zws.com http://www.zws.com Running on System V UNIX Tel : +61-419-320415 / +61-412-809805 / +61-414-927056 Fax : +61-3-92281335 Pager : +61-3-92566393 P.O. Box 590, Toorak, Vic. 3142, Australia OS/2 + Macintosh + Linux + FreeBSD + AmigaDOS + AMSDOS Why not ASK NOW about your FREE advertising space ? ====================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 05:08:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA04457 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 05:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss.void.net (root@void.net [207.30.81.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04442 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 05:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dan@localhost) by abyss.void.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA00470; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Benjamin To: "Kaj J. Niemi" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP's are being sued In-Reply-To: <199608142046.XAA19126@final.dystopia.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How about choosing Microsoft Internet Explorer in the first place? > Go to http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ieak/ (new) on how to redistribute > M$IE for free to all your [prospective/current] users. I found it > extremely interesting reading. :-) It's very easy and they send you distribution disks that arrived the next day. This is very nice if your customers/clients are running WIndows 3.1, 3.11, or 95. If not, you're not at all closer to a solution. IMHO The newest release of MS Internet Explorer is slicker if a tiny bit slower than Netscape's newest, but Netscape provides a consistent look and feel across all platforms, something important to those of us who setup multi-platform intranets. Still, it's nice even just to be "allowed" to distribute something legally nowadays. ==================================================== Dan Benjamin dan@void.net The Void / Init http://www.void.net/ George Orwell was an optimist. ==================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 08:14:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA13537 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13527 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA13733; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:13:58 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608151513.KAA13733@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Virtual FTP with FreeBSD To: bminazzi@w3page.com (Blaine Minazzi) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:13:58 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3212431B.28AE515D@w3page.com> from "Blaine Minazzi" at Aug 14, 96 03:20:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have wu-ftpd 2.4.2 Beta 11 ( or just the patches ) > to do "Virtual FTP" on FreeBSD 2.1 Release working? I used wu2.4 plus the patch plus a local hack or two that should not matter and it works for me. See ftp.gmttech.com/ftp.marketingimages.com, which are on the same machine. > It seems to compile just fine, and work in the "normal" > manner just fine. I would like anonymous ftp to domain1.com > go to a different directory than an anonymous ftp to domain2.com... > > I have read the FAQ, but it does not cover the virtual ftp at all. > > If there is another FAQ, or a howto, Please point me in the right > direction. > > I would appreciate something more than, "apply the patches, compile, > add this line to the ftpaccess file..." That comes with it. Well, it wasn't really much harder than that (assuming that you know how to set up wuftpd to begin with.) Have you set up wuftpd before? It's just a good place to start solving your problem. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 08:31:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA15679 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15667 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA13822; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:30:56 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608151530.KAA13822@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: INN To: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz (Craig Harding) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jasonw@glycerine.mulberry.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608130119.SAA24256@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Craig Harding" at Aug 13, 96 12:29:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Jason Wilson wrote: > > >After starting INN everything runs smoothly; feeds come in/go out fine, nnrp > >clients connect and read/post fine etc etc. After running for about > >15-30 minutes everything stops. All incoming and outgoing nntp feeds > >close, nnrp clients hang, ctlinnd hangs, and when I telnet to > >the nntp port it times out with dest unreachable. From a ps listing > >everything looks normal. Everything was working fine until I reinstalled > >FBSD a few days ago. > > Just a thought - did anything happen to your swap configuration or similar > when you reinstalled FreeBSD? INN keeps everything in memory and grows to be > a very large process. In my configuration it starts out at around 2MB at > boot-time and slowly grows over the next hour or so to 6-7MB. This could > interact with a swap or memory problem with the result you describe. 2MB? 6-7MB?? :-) Boy oh boy. I wish I had a news server that was ever that small. ;-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 09:39:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21087 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from glycerine.mulberry.com (jasonw@glycerine.mulberry.com [204.187.141.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21072 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by glycerine.mulberry.com id AA26930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:43:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Wilson To: Joe Greco Cc: Craig Harding , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INN In-Reply-To: <199608151530.KAA13822@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > Jason Wilson wrote: > > > > >After starting INN everything runs smoothly; feeds come in/go out fine, nnrp > > >clients connect and read/post fine etc etc. After running for about > > >15-30 minutes everything stops. All incoming and outgoing nntp feeds > > >close, nnrp clients hang, ctlinnd hangs, and when I telnet to > > >the nntp port it times out with dest unreachable. From a ps listing > > >everything looks normal. Everything was working fine until I reinstalled > > >FBSD a few days ago. > > > > Just a thought - did anything happen to your swap configuration or similar > > when you reinstalled FreeBSD? INN keeps everything in memory and grows to be > > a very large process. In my configuration it starts out at around 2MB at > > boot-time and slowly grows over the next hour or so to 6-7MB. This could > > interact with a swap or memory problem with the result you describe. > It starts at around 2MB, goes upto about 8MB within an hour or so, then sits at around 11MB thereafter. I haven't really put it to any use other than one incoming feed (ie. there's no nnrp clients yet) due to the performance problems. As for swap though it sits quite low. The ram will go from (24MB current) to 64MB after this issue is resolved. The only time I see any real performance is in the first minute before any incoming feeds start. Suggestions? Jason From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 09:48:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21668 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from glycerine.mulberry.com (root@glycerine.mulberry.com [204.187.141.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21663 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by glycerine.mulberry.com id AA26930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:43:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Wilson To: Joe Greco Cc: Craig Harding , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INN In-Reply-To: <199608151530.KAA13822@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > Jason Wilson wrote: > > > > >After starting INN everything runs smoothly; feeds come in/go out fine, nnrp > > >clients connect and read/post fine etc etc. After running for about > > >15-30 minutes everything stops. All incoming and outgoing nntp feeds > > >close, nnrp clients hang, ctlinnd hangs, and when I telnet to > > >the nntp port it times out with dest unreachable. From a ps listing > > >everything looks normal. Everything was working fine until I reinstalled > > >FBSD a few days ago. > > > > Just a thought - did anything happen to your swap configuration or similar > > when you reinstalled FreeBSD? INN keeps everything in memory and grows to be > > a very large process. In my configuration it starts out at around 2MB at > > boot-time and slowly grows over the next hour or so to 6-7MB. This could > > interact with a swap or memory problem with the result you describe. > It starts at around 2MB, goes upto about 8MB within an hour or so, then sits at around 11MB thereafter. I haven't really put it to any use other than one incoming feed (ie. there's no nnrp clients yet) due to the performance problems. As for swap though it sits quite low. The ram will go from (24MB current) to 64MB after this issue is resolved. The only time I see any real performance is in the first minute before any incoming feeds start. Suggestions? Jason From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 10:11:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23084 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23079 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05994 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:30:03 -0500 (CDT) From: zeeb@digitaladvantage.net (Russ Panula) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INN Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:51:41 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Message-ID: <32136254.80785614@mail.digitaladvantage.net> References: <199608151530.KAA13822@brasil.moneng.mei.com> In-Reply-To: <199608151530.KAA13822@brasil.moneng.mei.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: >> Jason Wilson wrote: >> >> >After starting INN everything runs smoothly; feeds come in/go out fine, nnrp >> >clients connect and read/post fine etc etc. After running for about >> >15-30 minutes everything stops. All incoming and outgoing nntp feeds >> >close, nnrp clients hang, ctlinnd hangs, and when I telnet to >> >the nntp port it times out with dest unreachable. From a ps listing >> >everything looks normal. Everything was working fine until I reinstalled >> >FBSD a few days ago. >> >> Just a thought - did anything happen to your swap configuration or similar >> when you reinstalled FreeBSD? INN keeps everything in memory and grows to be >> a very large process. In my configuration it starts out at around 2MB at >> boot-time and slowly grows over the next hour or so to 6-7MB. This could >> interact with a swap or memory problem with the result you describe. > >2MB? 6-7MB?? :-) Boy oh boy. I wish I had a news server that >was ever that small. ;-) > >... JG > I bet you could even get away with using IDE disks on that server.. innd over here is sitting at ~30mb right now. Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 10:33:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24227 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24222 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA14128; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:32:07 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608151732.MAA14128@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: INN To: zeeb@digitaladvantage.net (Russ Panula) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:32:07 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <32136254.80785614@mail.digitaladvantage.net> from "Russ Panula" at Aug 15, 96 11:51:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I bet you could even get away with using IDE disks on that server.. > > innd over here is sitting at ~30mb right now. 30MB? That's about right to boot. ;-) 532 news 35 0 41M 17M sleep 319:35 14.54% 16.79% innd 25454 news 43 4 97M 59M run 37:36 6.79% 6.79% innd 1407 news 42 4 104M 57M run 61:02 5.99% 5.99% innd 191 news 2 4 37M 23M select 93:16 5.00% 5.00% innd 213 news -6 4 54M 23M sleep 13:28 6.41% 6.41% innd >From a selection of my news servers... The bottom two are slaves with minimal requirements. The top one, oddly enough, is spool.mu.edu, which seems unusually small footprinted given its historical run size of about 80MB, often larger, with the dozens of feeds... hm. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 13:20:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15278 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15260 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA25747 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:33:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA20018 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:17:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INN In-Reply-To: <199608151732.MAA14128@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: I've been trying to help a local ISP keep their full-feed news server running and we are running into so many problems requiring manual intervention that we must be doing something terribly wrong. Could somebody do a rundown of the hardware and software requirements to run a full-feed news server with two incoming feeds (one over 10Mbps fibre ATM with ping times of 3 ms) and an average of 15 readers (nnrpd processes). Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 13:46:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19026 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19011 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA14361; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:45:05 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608152045.PAA14361@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: INN To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:45:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Aug 15, 96 01:17:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > I've been trying to help a local ISP keep their full-feed news server > running and we are running into so many problems requiring manual > intervention that we must be doing something terribly wrong. Could > somebody do a rundown of the hardware and software requirements to run a > full-feed news server with two incoming feeds (one over 10Mbps fibre ATM > with ping times of 3 ms) and an average of 15 readers (nnrpd processes). software: inn1.4unoff4 (mandatory these days). if not - probably a source of major problems. FreeBSD 2.1.5R. hardware: one P90 with 64/96MB RAM, half a dozen good fast disks (Barracuda or Hawk class, nothing slower than 9.5ms). Triton or Triton-II chipset. Many other chipsets == crap. NCR PCI SCSI controller(s). That's a good set of ingredients for a workable (somewhat small) news server. If you have more specific questions, send to me in private mail and I'll see if I can lend a hand. I run a lot of FreeBSD- and non-FreeBSD based news servers and I've seen a number of examples of things that work and don't work. As some people have noticed, setting up a news server isn't hard, setting one up well is still something of an art form. ;-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 14:27:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24996 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix1.ism.com.br (root@unix1.ism.com.br [200.255.211.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24792 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clpc1.compuland.com.br (clpc1.compuland.com.br [200.255.96.22]) by unix1.ism.com.br (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA17068 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:24:41 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:24:41 -0300 Message-Id: <199608152124.SAA17068@unix1.ism.com.br> X-Sender: compland@ism.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Subject: CGI in apache Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi: I now that this is not the best list to ask this, but since most of us uses Apache... I'm trying to run lwgate (a cgi script to mailing lists) in a Apache1.1.1 but I'm getting the following errors in Apache's httpd/logs/ERROR_LOG file: execution of ... failed ... reason: Premature end of script header .and. exec of .... failed ... errno is 13. Anyone has an ideia of what is going wrong ? Thanks a lot! Helio. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 15:13:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28817 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28808 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608152213.PAA28808@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from tpc-pc1 by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:12:32 +1200 X-Sender: CHarding@mail.massey.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:12:31 +1200 To: zeeb@digitaladvantage.net (Russ Panula), freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz (Craig Harding) Subject: Re: INN X-Mailer: Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Russ Panula wrote: >On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > >> Craig Harding wrote: >> >>> In my configuration it starts out at around 2MB at >>> boot-time and slowly grows over the next hour or so to 6-7MB. This could >>> interact with a swap or memory problem with the result you describe. >> >>2MB? 6-7MB?? :-) Boy oh boy. I wish I had a news server that >>was ever that small. ;-) > >I bet you could even get away with using IDE disks on that server.. Whaddya mean "could"?? We do! :-) -- C. -- Craig Harding Editor, Massey University Television Production Centre "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 15 15:13:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28838 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28830 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608152213.PAA28830@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from tpc-pc1 by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:12:36 +1200 X-Sender: CHarding@mail.massey.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:12:35 +1200 To: Jason Wilson From: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz (Craig Harding) Subject: Re: INN Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:43 PM 8/15/96, Jason Wilson wrote: >It starts at around 2MB, goes upto about 8MB within an hour or so, then >sits at around 11MB thereafter. I haven't really put it to any use other >than one incoming feed (ie. there's no nnrp clients yet) due to the >performance problems. As for swap though it sits quite low. The ram >will go from (24MB current) to 64MB after this issue is resolved. The >only time I see any real performance is in the first minute before any >incoming feeds start. Sorry, I think I'm stumped now. I've never encountered anything like this in INN, the swap thing was the one idea I had. From what you say above, do you mean that INN's performance gradually slows down over that 15-30minutes, or does it stop suddenly? What do the ends of your news log files say when it stops? Are any other networking subsystems on your server affected? -- C. -- Craig Harding Editor, Massey University Television Production Centre "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 01:44:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19296 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaia.gol.com (gaia.gol.com [202.243.48.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19291 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (joe@localhost) by gaia.gol.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) id RAA14092; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:44:15 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:44:15 +0900 (JST) From: Joe Kelly Subject: News provider feeback To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: joe@gaia.gol.com Message-Id: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm interested in hearing opinions on which is the best top level news provider, sprint, mci, uunet, cable & wire and/or netcom. If they're are others please add them in. Basically I'm interested in getting only a news feed(s) without getting a leased line from them. But I've been told by most of the above that they won't just sell a newsfeed. Does anyone know differently and by the way what are the reliability/stability of mci and uunet feeds like? Can please reply to me directly since I'm not on this list. Thanks in advance...Joe Kelly. ______________________________________________________________________ Global OnLine Japan. Dial-Up, Leased-Line, ISDN, Web Services & More. URL: ______________________________________________________________________ "Be Pure, Be Vigilant, Behave" From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 06:19:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA00609 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00604 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA15007; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:17:59 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608161317.IAA15007@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News provider feeback To: joe@gaia.gol.com (Joe Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:17:58 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, joe@gaia.gol.com In-Reply-To: from "Joe Kelly" at Aug 16, 96 05:44:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I'm interested in hearing opinions on which is the best top level news > provider, sprint, mci, uunet, cable & wire and/or netcom. If they're are > others please add them in. > > Basically I'm interested in getting only a news feed(s) without > getting a leased line from them. But I've been told by most of the > above that they won't just sell a newsfeed. > > Does anyone know differently and by the way what are the > reliability/stability of mci and uunet feeds like? > > Can please reply to me directly since I'm not on this > list. The real players in the news game exchange newsfeeds for free. If you look at the Usenet paradigm, it is not oriented towards "buying a newsfeed from someone". It is a flood fill algorithm, which means that you should be exchanging news with multiple people, feeding them as well as being fed by them. Going with a single feed from a single provider has a number of drawbacks: 1) if the provider (or the provider's news server) has a problem, so does your newsfeed. 2) you only get the articles and groups that the provider receives. 3) the provider's system may be slooooow (some people complain about this for any one of {UUNet, Sprint, MCI, Netcom, etc}, I don't know.) 4) other misc. drawbacks If you are receiving feeds from multiple directions, you are much more likely to be getting timely and complete coverage. On the other hand, it means that you are potentially feeding other sites. If you are a well connected site, you will find yourself pushing out lots more news than you take in... my ratio is about 5:1. However, the Usenet paradigm was designed in this manner, and I highly recommend that you follow it. I recommend a bare minimum of three neighbors with good news feeds. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 07:00:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04196 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04184 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02165; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199608161359.JAA02165@rk.ios.com> Subject: Re: News provider feeback To: joe@gaia.gol.com (Joe Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, joe@gaia.gol.com In-Reply-To: from "Joe Kelly" at Aug 16, 96 05:44:15 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hello, > > I'm interested in hearing opinions on which is the best top level news > provider, sprint, mci, uunet, cable & wire and/or netcom. If they're are > others please add them in. UUnet = BAD BAD BAD MCI - OK SPRINT - OK others- dunno > > Basically I'm interested in getting only a news feed(s) without > getting a leased line from them. But I've been told by most of the > above that they won't just sell a newsfeed. YOu can always get a newsfeed from a smaller company, just make sure they sit (newsfeed -wise) close enough to MCI/Sprint > > Does anyone know differently and by the way what are the > reliability/stability of mci and uunet feeds like? > > Can please reply to me directly since I'm not on this > list. > > Thanks in advance...Joe Kelly. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Global OnLine Japan. Dial-Up, Leased-Line, ISDN, Web Services & More. > URL: > ______________________________________________________________________ > "Be Pure, Be Vigilant, Behave" > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 07:33:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA06787 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dnai.com (dnai.com [140.174.162.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06781 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by dnai.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04688; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dror Matalon To: Joe Kelly cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News provider feeback In-Reply-To: <199608161359.JAA02165@rk.ios.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Rashid Karimov wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm interested in hearing opinions on which is the best top level news > > provider, sprint, mci, uunet, cable & wire and/or netcom. If they're are > > others please add them in. We're using cais.net and are happy with them. I believe they charge $50 / month. We of course have local peering arrangements for news, but it's nice to know that in an emergency we can get most of our news from one well connected source. Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 08:33:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA10447 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10442 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02196; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:31:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News provider feeback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone what any expieriences (good or bad) with the Pagesat system? Does it work with FreeBSD? Regards, Andrew Webster - andrew@pubnix.net - http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal - Connected to the world - Branche au monde 514-990-5911 - P.O. Box 147, Cote St-Luc, Quebec, H4V 2Y3 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 09:07:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA25225 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25218 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA15378; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:06:38 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608161606.LAA15378@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News provider feeback To: andrew@pubnix.net Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Webster" at Aug 16, 96 11:31:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone what any expieriences (good or bad) with the Pagesat system? > > Does it work with FreeBSD? > > Regards, I've heard it works fine, particularly if you offload the serial port onto a different box :-) However there is the bandwidth issue, as always.. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 10:20:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA01249 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genghis_khan.dbeach.com (genghis_khan.dbeach.com [207.18.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01243 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from naief@localhost) by genghis_khan.dbeach.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA25370; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:16:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Admin To: Joe Greco cc: andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: News provider feeback In-Reply-To: <199608161606.LAA15378@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > Does anyone what any expieriences (good or bad) with the Pagesat system? We use it, and have had no problem with it what so ever. Even though we are in Florida and get a lot of rain, it seems that data is only lost during hard rain only (I mean hard) which usually does not last long. The feed is quit sizable and has good coverage. I do not think you will win an award for best connceted news site if you relay on Pagesat alone but you will have a news feed that will make your clients happy (assuming you get the average ISP clients we do here ;-) The only hardware you have to worry about (plus what a news server needs offcourse) is the serial port. We found that using built in ports do not work, you keep losing data (tty-level buffer overflow messages will fill your screen,logs). Its better to use an independent serial card (vs built in the motherboard), or a Hayes ESP type card. Ahh one more thing, when they tell you that you can set it up by yourself, take that with a grain of salt. Maybe again because we are in Florida (which makes it hard to locate the satallite, and requires a bigger dish), I still think that setting the dish up would not be easy and might require you to hire a pro to do for you :-( > > Does it work with FreeBSD? Yes it works, the software that they give compiles with no problem and works very good, All you have to do is choose the OS and what device you want and compile. You will get two programs psfrx and psnews and a shell script to uncompress and feed the news. > > > > Regards, > > I've heard it works fine, particularly if you offload the serial port > onto a different box :-) How do you mean, please if you have time elaborate on how this can done some more. > > However there is the bandwidth issue, as always.. Is that good or bad ? I think that although the Pagesat system requiers more money upfront, it will pay for itself very quickly. And if you are running an ISP you should remember that clients will complain about slower access (to the net) much faster than a news feed that is not super extensive. > >... JG > Naief From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 10:36:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA02311 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.intrastar.net (BSD.INTRASTAR.NET [206.136.25.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02289 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsuter@localhost) by bsd.intrastar.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA03088; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:28:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:28:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacob Suter To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Telco/NAPs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've meen noticing that quite a few people from BSDNET #freebsd, and the whole ISP world in general seem to love the LD Telcos that have decided to become Network Access Providers. I'm beginning to wonder if the rays from the 21" monitors are starting to get to ya'll... Putting speed aside (I would be really concerned if I was in the OC-3 market, but I seriously doubt most of us here are), the telcos want to be our competition for the most part.... Would you buy your upstream connection from your existing competitior? Hell no! Am I missing something here? Are the telcos offering free service or something for ya'll? I'm gonna be disgruntled when/if we all get taken out of business by the telcos that you all helped pay for... JS From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 11:17:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA04510 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04504 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA16050; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:16:42 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608161816.NAA16050@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Telco/NAPs To: jsuter@bsd.intrastar.net (Jacob Suter) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:16:42 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jacob Suter" at Aug 16, 96 12:28:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've meen noticing that quite a few people from BSDNET #freebsd, and the > whole ISP world in general seem to love the LD Telcos that have decided > to become Network Access Providers. I'm beginning to wonder if the rays > from the 21" monitors are starting to get to ya'll... > > Putting speed aside (I would be really concerned if I was in the OC-3 > market, but I seriously doubt most of us here are), the telcos want to be > our competition for the most part.... Would you buy your upstream > connection from your existing competitior? Hell no! Eh, why not? (Assuming all other things are equal, which they often are) The very concept of the Internet is based on the concept that discrete entities choose to interconnect their networks. If you start refusing to connect with people who are 'competition', pretty quickly the list can grow so large in scope that you have eliminated every available candidate for an upstream connection. See, we purchase connectivity through a well-connected local ISP, Internet Connect. (Great folks, incidentally). Some of my customers in turn provide ISP services to their clients. Whether or not Internet Connect chose to do business with us is irrelevant; we would be here and we would be connected SOMEWHERE and we would still be "competition" to them. So if they choose to turn down our $NNN/month, they gain nothing, and we go to another provider and pay $MMM/month. They are simply out the $NNN. There is no advantage in either refusing to provide connectivity for your competition, or to refrain from buying connectivity from your competition. An ISP's selling point must be that they can do it and do it better than the other guy. This is going to become clear very rapidly to a lot of ISP's in the next few years. Now, there may be VERY valid technical or political reasons to avoid buying from your competition. If you get a contract from MCI and you've failed to lock in a rate, that could well be a bad thing. If you are not confident in your upstream provider's technical competence, that is an outstanding risk. But everything being equal, if you are just worried about the "competition" thing, why NOT buy from them, if it makes sense to do so from every other angle? > Am I missing something here? Are the telcos offering free service or > something for ya'll? > > I'm gonna be disgruntled when/if we all get taken out of business by the > telcos that you all helped pay for... Hate to burst your bubble, but the telcos have always been involved. They provide the data circuits that carry a vast majority of the Internet's traffic. Buy a T1. Who do you get it from? A telco. Buy a T3. Who do you get it from? Probably a telco. Buy a {phone line, ISDN line, 56k line}. Same thing. It has become mildly more complex in the last few years, true. The telcos are now offering "Internet" service so that you are not just purchasing bandwidth to a provider from them, you are also purchasing your connectivity from them in their role as a provider. It is generally cheaper for a telco to do this - there is often less wire involved. A PtP T1 from here to a location 5 miles away may cost $500, plus I may pay that location (an ISP) $1000/month for bandwidth. The phone company may be able to live me a local loop T1 for half that price (CO is relatively close) and economies of scale allow them to sell bandwidth for less, and they often get a break on their interconnecting / outbound pipes because it is a cost that can be largely internalized. On the other hand, the local cable companies can do the same thing now... and in some areas, they are. In others, they are at least providing fiber connectivity services. May you always live in interesting times. ;-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 13:04:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11859 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11852 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA10039 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:17:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02170 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:01:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Telco/NAPs In-Reply-To: <199608161816.NAA16050@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > our competition for the most part.... Would you buy your upstream > > connection from your existing competitior? Hell no! > > Eh, why not? (Assuming all other things are equal, which they often are) > The very concept of the Internet is based on the concept that discrete > entities choose to interconnect their networks. If you start refusing to > connect with people who are 'competition', pretty quickly the list can grow > so large in scope that you have eliminated every available candidate for an > upstream connection. That's right. Here in British Columbia, BC-Tel is *THE* telephone company. They supply leased line IP access to corporate customers and to ISP's. They have a Fibre-ATM network that connects to corporate customers, ISP's and a regional provider named BC-Net who is not affiliated with the telco. BC-Net also sells leased lines to corporate customers and ISP's. The telco also supplies dialup IP access (Sympatico) to end users. And some of the larger ISP's connected to either BC-Tel or BC-Net supply access to other ISP's in addition to corporate leased lines and dialup access. For example, here in Vernon the Okanagan Internet Junction has a fibre ATM connection from BC-Tel. But they buy IP access over this ATM link from BC-Net. Then, downstream they sell frame-relay access to customers connected by frame relay from either Sprint Canada or Unitel(national LD provider), by the local cableco, and by BC-Tel leased lines. They also supply IP access to another ISP by colo ethernet and that ISP's modem lines are supplied by BC-Tel and the packets are delivered to the colo ISP via a multiple PVC's on the ATM network. Let me draw a picture to explain the colo ISP. User --- modem --------PVC to ISP A---------| on a | colo ISP telco |---PVC from BCNet----| servers owned | | | Ascend Max | ISP A's | BC-Net ---------------- ATM link---ethernet---| | | Internet ISP A's modem lines and servers etc. As you can see the colo ISP is a rather virtual ISP in that they own their own servers but everything else is leased somehow. They are piggybacking on ISP A's infrastructure and the telco's infrastructure; for a fee of course. With the USA's Telecom Act of 96 and the unbundling of telco services into 7 different access points, the above scenario is going to be the normal state of affairs rather than the exception. I suppose I could talk about people who rent a virtual domain from their ISP and then resell websites on it. Or the national ISP's which colo POP's at local or regional ISP sites who they compete with. > There is no advantage in either refusing to provide connectivity for your > competition, or to refrain from buying connectivity from your competition. In fact it is very important to your long term success that you remain on friendly terms with your competition. One day he might buy you or you might buy him or you might both be bought by somebody else or he might go out of business and you too but when you apply for a new job he is the one doing the interviewing... Be nice, be happy, your career may depend on it. > Hate to burst your bubble, but the telcos have always been involved. They > provide the data circuits that carry a vast majority of the Internet's > traffic. Buy a T1. Who do you get it from? A telco. Buy a T3. Who do > you get it from? Probably a telco. Buy a {phone line, ISDN line, 56k > line}. Same thing. And coming soon, ISP's who start offering telco services in competition with them. Does your uncle build subdivisions? Maybe you should wire them up for phones and sell the telco access to your local loop. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 14:34:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19953 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss.void.net (root@void.net [207.30.81.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19948 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss.void.net (win.void.net [207.30.81.253]) by abyss.void.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA00393 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960816213715.006bcb2c@207.30.81.100> X-Sender: dan@207.30.81.100 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:37:15 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Dan Benjamin Subject: ISDN connectivity Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Just curious to hear about your experiences with FreeBSD and ISDN services, from the standpoint of both providing services over ISDN as well as providing ISDN service itself. Wondering what types of hardware you may be using to establish the links (Ascend Pipeline 50, Cisco 2500, Bitsurfer Pro, etc.). Thanks! ==================================================== Dan Benjamin dan@void.net The Void / Init http://www.void.net/ George Orwell was an optimist. ==================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 20:28:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11543 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11537 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA11237 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:37:36 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199608162237.WAA11237@ecpi.com> Subject: Tun device problem.... To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:37:35 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I tried following suggestion give by Jorden, still when I try to connect on the 11th line I get message saying no tun device available. > > > >tushar@ecpi.com (Tushar Patel) wrote: > >> crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 9 Aug 7 22:08 tun9 >> ^^^^ >> It has correct number. >> >> crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 0 Aug 7 21:51 tuna >> ^^^^ >> Some how this number is not correct >> crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 0 May 28 08:47 tunb >> ^^^^^ >> Same here. > >> What should be the tun device after tun9, is it tuna? >> If that is correct then why the number shown in the >> mail is not correct? > >Since mknod(8) doesn't know about hexadecimal digits (from MAKEDEV): > >tun?) > unit=`expr $i : 'tun\(.*\)'` # this yields $unit="a" > rm -f tun$unit > mknod tun$unit c 52 $unit # mknod tuna c 52 a -- wrong > chown uucp.dialer tun$unit > ;; > >So if you simply name them tun10, tun11 etc., it should work. I had to changed the above to "tun??)" then it let me make "tun10" device. The entry in the "/dev" directory has correct minor number (10), but when I try to connect on the 11th line that is "tun10" it says no tun device available. crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 10 Aug 13 22:59 tun10 crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 11 Aug 14 00:06 tun11 crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 12 Aug 14 00:06 tun12 crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 13 Aug 14 00:06 tun13 crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 14 Aug 14 00:06 tun14 crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 15 Aug 14 00:06 tun15 > > >p.s.: In -current, mknod would have complained about the bad digit, >instead of silently assuming 0. You could also rewrite the above >there into: > > mknod tun$unit c 52 0x$unit > >if you prefer tuna, tunb, ... over tun10, tun11... I tried doing that but still it gave incorrect minor number crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 0 Aug 16 21:52 tuna ^^^ not correct Output of the "netstat -ain" shows me that I have 16 tun device compiled. Here is the output of the "netstat -ain" lo0 16384 127 127.0.0.1 8714 0 8714 0 0 tun0 1500 81415 0 80209 0 0 tun0 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 81415 0 80209 0 0 tun1 1500 45122 0 44435 0 0 tun1 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 45122 0 44435 0 0 tun2* 552 95136 0 99618 0 0 tun3 1500 30188 0 28808 0 0 tun3 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 30188 0 28808 0 0 tun4 1500 43528 0 43688 0 0 tun4 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 43528 0 43688 0 0 tun5 552 15363 0 13836 0 0 tun5 552 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 15363 0 13836 0 0 tun6* 552 8426 0 7674 0 0 tun7 1500 5359 0 4998 0 0 tun7 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 5359 0 4998 0 0 tun8 1500 3646 0 3191 0 0 tun8 1500 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 3646 0 3191 0 0 tun9 552 3544 0 3324 0 0 tun9 552 205.238.159 205.238.159.50 3544 0 3324 0 0 tun10 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun11 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun12 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun13 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun14 1500 0 0 0 0 0 tun15 1500 0 0 0 0 0 Another thing to notice in the output of the "netstat -ain" is that normally when the device is not used I see "*" next to the device, but for tun10 - tun15 I don't see that too. Is it because there is no space or some other problem? >joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE >Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > Any suggestion to solve this problem. Thanks, Tushar > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 16 21:26:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA14120 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14115 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA12776 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:35:35 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199608162335.XAA12776@ecpi.com> Subject: tun device problem more info To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:35:34 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I did some more experiment on the "/dev/MAKEDEV" and I managed to get crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 10 Aug 16 23:19 tuna ^^^ correct minor number I have correct minor number, but it has same problem "No tunnel device is available" "open_tun: Device_busy" By any chance this could be related to the fact that I have "maxusers 10" in the generic KERNEL configuration? Please help me. Thanks Tushar From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 04:49:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20545 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pahtoh.cwu.edu (root@pahtoh.cwu.edu [198.104.65.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20540 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tahoma.cwu.edu (skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu [198.104.67.25]) by pahtoh.cwu.edu (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA06317; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:49:13 -0700 Received: (from skynyrd@localhost) by tahoma.cwu.edu (8.6.13/8.6.9) id EAA15727; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:49:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Timmons To: Joe Greco cc: Michael Dillon , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: INN In-Reply-To: <199608152045.PAA14361@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Have you played with stripe sets on any of your news servers? I have four wide 4gb cudas across two controllers which I am considering striping into a number of partitions to further balance the load. I've seen some other posts where people are doing this with 2.1.5R and innd. -Chris On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > > I've been trying to help a local ISP keep their full-feed news server > > running and we are running into so many problems requiring manual > > intervention that we must be doing something terribly wrong. Could > > somebody do a rundown of the hardware and software requirements to run a > > full-feed news server with two incoming feeds (one over 10Mbps fibre ATM > > with ping times of 3 ms) and an average of 15 readers (nnrpd processes). > > software: inn1.4unoff4 (mandatory these days). if not - probably a source > of major problems. FreeBSD 2.1.5R. > hardware: one P90 with 64/96MB RAM, half a dozen good fast disks (Barracuda > or Hawk class, nothing slower than 9.5ms). Triton or Triton-II chipset. > Many other chipsets == crap. NCR PCI SCSI controller(s). > > That's a good set of ingredients for a workable (somewhat small) news > server. > > If you have more specific questions, send to me in private mail and I'll > see if I can lend a hand. I run a lot of FreeBSD- and non-FreeBSD based > news servers and I've seen a number of examples of things that work and > don't work. > > As some people have noticed, setting up a news server isn't hard, setting > one up well is still something of an art form. ;-) > > ... JG > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 10:21:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05151 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05140 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0urp3Z-0008vKC; Sat, 17 Aug 96 10:21 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: News provider feeback To: andrew@pubnix.net Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Webster" at Aug 16, 96 11:31:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone what any expieriences (good or bad) with the Pagesat system? > Does it work with FreeBSD? I used it a couple years ago, but then a little tree became a big tree faster than expected in just the wrong place. Since I got a T1 about then, I switched to a net feed. The software comes in source, and is pretty basic. Basically, articles stream in ascii, with standard "#!rnews bytecount" lines in between them. Every now and then, a batch of email appears in between the news articles (in clear text --- *don't* get your email service from them!). The software I had didn't parse email and it all showed up in the log as bad articles. I had to hack it to recognize the email separator and skip it. I'm considering going back: they're changing systems and satellites, and the new satellite is in a location I can use. The bad news is that my hardware is now so much scrap, as I missed the upgrade window, so I'll have to shell out for all new, including the antennae. The news did seem to lag a little (a couple of days), but then so does my net feed, and pagesat says they've fixed that... -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 12:43:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09608 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09595 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0urrFJ-0008vYC; Sat, 17 Aug 96 12:41 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: News provider feeback To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199608161606.LAA15378@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Aug 16, 96 11:06:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've heard it works fine, particularly if you offload the serial port > onto a different box :-) Why? It give the cpu something to do while it's waiting on the disk :-) > However there is the bandwidth issue, as always.. They're supposedly going to a 115Kbps system in September, last I heard. -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 13:19:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13772 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genghis_khan.dbeach.com (genghis_khan.dbeach.com [207.18.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13761 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from naief@localhost) by genghis_khan.dbeach.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02259; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:16:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:16:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Admin To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: News provider feeback (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > Does anyone what any expieriences (good or bad) with the Pagesat system? We use it, and have had no problem with it what so ever. Even though we are in Florida and get a lot of rain, it seems that data is only lost during hard rain only (I mean hard) which usually does not last long. The feed is quit sizable and has good coverage. I do not think you will win an award for best connceted news site if you relay on Pagesat alone but you will have a news feed that will make your clients happy (assuming you get the average ISP clients we do here ;-) The only hardware you have to worry about (plus what a news server needs offcourse) is the serial port. We found that using built in ports do not work, you keep losing data (tty-level buffer overflow messages will fill your screen,logs). Its better to use an independent serial card (vs built in the motherboard), or a Hayes ESP type card. Ahh one more thing, when they tell you that you can set it up by yourself, take that with a grain of salt. Maybe again because we are in Florida (which makes it hard to locate the satallite, and requires a bigger dish), I still think that setting the dish up would not be easy and might require you to hire a pro to do for you :-( > > Does it work with FreeBSD? Yes it works, the software that they give compiles with no problem and works very good, All you have to do is choose the OS and what device you want and compile. You will get two programs psfrx and psnews and a shell script to uncompress and feed the news. > > > > Regards, > > I've heard it works fine, particularly if you offload the serial port > onto a different box :-) How do you mean, please if you have time elaborate on how this can done some more. > > However there is the bandwidth issue, as always.. Is that good or bad ? I think that although the Pagesat system requiers more money upfront, it will pay for itself very quickly. And if you are running an ISP you should remember that clients will complain about slower access (to the net) much faster than a news feed that is not super extensive. > >... JG > Naief From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 13:21:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14103 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genghis_khan.dbeach.com (genghis_khan.dbeach.com [207.18.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14094 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from naief@localhost) by genghis_khan.dbeach.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02277; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:18:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Admin To: Alan Batie cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News provider feeback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Alan Batie wrote: > > I've heard it works fine, particularly if you offload the serial port > > onto a different box :-) > > Why? It give the cpu something to do while it's waiting on the disk :-) > > > However there is the bandwidth issue, as always.. > > They're supposedly going to a 115Kbps system in September, last I heard. They are on it now. > Naief From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 14:37:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22760 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22734 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA13727; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:36:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Network Admin cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: News provider feeback (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:16:27 EDT." Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: <13723.840317807@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Network Admin wrote in message ID : > The only hardware you have to worry about (plus what a news server > needs offcourse) is the serial port. We found that using built in ports > do not work, you keep losing data (tty-level buffer overflow messages > will fill your screen,logs). Its better to use an independent serial card > (vs built in the motherboard), or a Hayes ESP type card. Umm? If you have on-board (decent) 16550A UARTS, you should be able to handle that stream fine. It sounds like you have a clone motherboard which has poorer quality 16550 clones. I'm no expert on PC architecture, but I can't think of any reason that the on-board ports would suffer drawbacks that a paddleboard wouldn't. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 18:32:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04363 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sam.networx.ie (dublin-ts3-93.indigo.ie [194.125.133.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04354 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mip1.networx.ie (mip1.networx.ie [194.9.12.1]) by sam.networx.ie (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA18384 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:32:26 +0100 X-Organisation: I.T. NetworX Ltd X-Business: Network Consultancy and Training X-Address: 67 Merrion Square, Dublin 2, Ireland X-Voice: +353-1-676-8866 X-Fax: +353-1-676-8868 Received: from mike.networx.ie by mip1.networx.ie Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:24:24 BST From: Michael Ryan Reply-To: mike@NetworX.ie Subject: Hosts learning routes in OSPF To: FreeBSD ISP Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Maybe this is off-topic, but in an OSPF network, how do the end-nodes learn of up-to-date routes (I'm assuming that only the routers run OSPF)? Is there the equivalent of a "routed -q" type facility? Mike --- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 22:40:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA21523 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21504 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA03391; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:40:28 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608180540.WAA03391@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Hosts learning routes in OSPF To: mike@NetworX.ie Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Michael Ryan at "Aug 18, 96 02:24:24 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Maybe this is off-topic, but in an OSPF network, how do the > end-nodes learn of up-to-date routes (I'm assuming that only > the routers run OSPF)? The learn by using a default route that is one of the OSPF routers, the OSPF router will send a redirect message to the host if there is a better direct route to where this packet goes, or it will just forward the packet if there is not a better local route. > > Is there the equivalent of a "routed -q" type facility? Nope, and not needed as far as I can see, the one function I would like to see on OSPF (gated actually), and maybe I missed it, is ``routed -g'' so that hosts on local nets can pick up the default route from the wire instead of having to set it on all of them. I think that rdisc can actually handle this for me, but haven't tried to implement it here yet. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 17 23:13:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA26875 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 23:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nanguo.chalmers.com.au (chalmers.com.au [203.1.96.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26869 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nanguo.chalmers.com.au (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0us1Hk-00025FC; Sun, 18 Aug 96 16:24 EST Message-Id: From: robert@chalmers.com.au (Robert Chalmers) Subject: what is this error? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:24:32 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can someone tell me please, what is generating this error? Starting up, I have a XYLOGICS MicroAnnex 8 Port Communications server, which is the 203.1.96.4 machine. Acting as a active RIP, routing. It's on the 203.1.96.0 network, connected by PPP to the 203.22.80.0 network whose ppp point is 203.22.80.5 I can't work out if the "bad host in route..." is being generated on my side, or the other side? does anyone have any ideas? tia bc ppp[345]: asy8 timer started with max inactivity of 0 (5 second intervals) ppp[345]: route: add dst 203.22.80.5 via gateway 203.1.96.4 routed[322]: route: add dst 203.22.80.0 via gateway 203.22.80.5 routed[304]: bad host in route from 203.1.96.4 (af 2) routed[304]: bad host in route from 203.1.96.4 (af 2) routed[322]: route: delete dst 203.22.80.0 via gateway 203.22.80.5 routed[322]: re-installing interface asy8 routed[322]: route: add dst 203.22.80.0 via gateway 203.22.80.5 routed[322]: route: add dst 0.0.0.0 via gateway 203.22.80.5 routed[322]: route: add dst 203.61.61.0 via gateway 203.22.80.5 routed[304]: bad host in route from 203.1.96.4 (af 2) routed[304]: bad host in route from 203.1.96.4 (af 2) routed[322]: route: delete dst 203.22.80.0 via gateway 203.22.80.5 routed[322]: re-installing interface asy8 -- The China House Sheng Huo Jiu Shi Dou Zheng robert@chalmers.com.au for Whirled Peas http://chalmers.com.au Location: Web Works Whitsunday. 21'7" S, 149'14" E. 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