From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 18 01:27:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA02966 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 01:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA02959 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 01:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.6.10/DPC-1.0) with SMTP id BAA01419; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 01:12:58 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 01:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow X-Sender: dan@cedb To: Robert Chalmers cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is this error? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Robert Chalmers wrote: > Can someone tell me please, what is generating this error? > Starting up, I have a XYLOGICS MicroAnnex 8 Port Communications server, > which is the 203.1.96.4 machine. Acting as a active RIP, routing. > It's on the 203.1.96.0 network, connected by PPP to the 203.22.80.0 network Try changing your default route to point to 203.1.96.4 and let the Annex take care of the routing. Unless the link is up there is no route to the host so FreeBSD is responding correctly. Even if the link is up, your default should point at a directly addressable machine. Think about it. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 18 11:08:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA04237 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genghis_khan.dbeach.com (genghis_khan.dbeach.com [207.18.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04232; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from naief@localhost) by genghis_khan.dbeach.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA05794; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:05:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Admin To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: News provider feeback (fwd) In-Reply-To: <13723.840317807@orion.webspan.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > > The only hardware you have to worry about (plus what a news server > > needs offcourse) is the serial port. We found that using built in ports > > do not work, you keep losing data (tty-level buffer overflow messages > > will fill your screen,logs). Its better to use an independent serial card > > (vs built in the motherboard), or a Hayes ESP type card. > > Umm? If you have on-board (decent) 16550A UARTS, you should be able to > handle that stream fine. It sounds like you have a clone motherboard > which has poorer quality 16550 clones. I'm no expert on PC > architecture, but I can't think of any reason that the on-board ports > would suffer drawbacks that a paddleboard wouldn't. > > Gary We have an ASUS P/I-P55TP4N motherboard.The manual says that the board has "Super Multi-I/O: with two high-speed UART compatible serial ports". Is this setup good or bad, I really do not know. We kept on having buffer overflows until we got ourselves another I/O card, and everything worked well thereafter. When I called Pagesat to ask about the system and wether it will work with FreeBSD and so on, They said no problem, the only thing you have to do is get an independent fast serial port and you are good to go, So apparentaly a lot of folks were having a problem. One thing I noticed from the Satallite reciver is that data does not flow continously but rather arrives in short bursts every 20 seconds or so. Maybe the independent card had a larger buffer size than the inboard one?.. or maybe its a genuine 16550N vs just compatible?.. Naief > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 18 12:02:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07017 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.tioga.com (root@falcon.tioga.com [205.146.65.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07012 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tbalfe@localhost) by falcon.tioga.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA17016; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Balfe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Recommendations (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sometimes people make me wonder. This guy must be on the OS/2 team or something. Thought you might get a kick out of it. ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com President http://www.tioga.com/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 ======================================================================== "Humanity has been compared...to a sleeper who handles matches in his sleep and wakes to find himself in flames." - H.G. Wells The World Set Free 1914 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 10:22:26 From: reyes01@ibm.net To: webmaster@tioga.com Subject: Recommendations I was just looking at your page and noticed that you have a link to Intel and another to www.freebsd.org in the middle of the page. May I recommend you remove them. The reason is that you are making it easy for someone to get sidetracked and go somewhere else instead of looking at your info. If someone wanted to get info on Intel I am sure that they would not have much trouble finding it. :) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 02:42:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA00565 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.kconline.com (ns.kconline.com [207.51.167.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00554 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rif@localhost) by ns.kconline.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA03607 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:38:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Riffle To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: UUCP server configuration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone please point me towards some documentation on how to set up a UUCP server? What I am tring to do is set it up to where my system will accept mail for a domain via uucp. I was able to find plenty of docs on how to setup uucp as a client, but I am having real troubles finding docs on a server for a mail and possiably news domain. An example would be, say a local BBS wanted to have a domain where they could get mail/news. The mail would come to my server where they would call and pick it up, and post any mail they had outgoing. Thanks, Jim Riffle From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 06:42:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15898 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15892 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA19079; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:41:15 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608191341.IAA19079@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: UUCP server configuration To: rif@ns.kconline.com (Jim Riffle) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:41:14 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jim Riffle" at Aug 19, 96 04:38:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Could someone please point me towards some documentation on how to set up > a UUCP server? What I am tring to do is set it up to where my system will > accept mail for a domain via uucp. I was able to find plenty of docs on > how to setup uucp as a client, but I am having real troubles finding docs > on a server for a mail and possiably news domain. > > An example would be, say a local BBS wanted to have a domain where they > could get mail/news. The mail would come to my server where they would > call and pick it up, and post any mail they had outgoing. UUCP doesn't really have a "server" concept; UUCP machines are peers. That's probably a major conceptual problem :-) You can certainly set it up so that one side always initiates the connection, but that doesn't change the fundamental paradigm of UUCP. Doing things like mail and news are things that are done on top of UUCP, much like FTP operates on "top of" TCP/IP. They are really separate issues, and need to be thought of as such. Make sure that you can uucp files back and forth between your machines. This is the first step... UUCP is a batch file transfer service and if you can't transfer files, nothing else will work either. Check out the O'Reilly book on the topic, or the Taylor documentation, or both. Once you have done that, then consider doing mail, etc. The O'Reilly Sendmail book should be an invaluable guide, but to a certain extent, you just need to "make it work" particularly if you are dealing with a DOS-based BBS/UUCP package as the remote note. I've had to do all sorts of grungy hacks over the years. At one point MajorBBS would not recognize its own node name in caps, even though it emitted it in that form.... You will also need to work with your DNS administrator if you wish to provide them with a domain name on the Internet. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 06:45:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA16112 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA16099 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA19089; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:44:30 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608191344.IAA19089@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News provider feeback To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Alan Batie" at Aug 17, 96 12:41:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I've heard it works fine, particularly if you offload the serial port > > onto a different box :-) > > Why? It give the cpu something to do while it's waiting on the disk :-) Maybe because I am paranoid and I like to be able to spool things when the news server is having problems... ;-) > > However there is the bandwidth issue, as always.. > > They're supposedly going to a 115Kbps system in September, last I heard. I think they did that long ago. Still, I would think that at some point, it will necessarily crap out in terms of available bandwidth (I don't suppose they are doing alt.binaries.* even now), and they will either have to switch to some faster serial link (and specialized hardware, or maybe Ethernet which would be cool) or it will just become nonviable. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 06:48:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA16397 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA16391 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA19104; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:47:32 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608191347.IAA19104@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News provider feeback (fwd) To: naief@genghis_khan.dbeach.com (Network Admin) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:47:32 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Network Admin" at Aug 17, 96 04:16:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I've heard it works fine, particularly if you offload the serial port > > onto a different box :-) > How do you mean, please if you have time elaborate on how this can done > some more. I would probably choose to offload it onto a separate box, preferably one with a large hard disk, so that if my news server is down or otherwise occupied, I don't miss lots of news. > > However there is the bandwidth issue, as always.. > Is that good or bad ? I think that although the Pagesat system requiers > more money upfront, it will pay for itself very quickly. And if > you are running an ISP you should remember that clients will complain > about slower access (to the net) much faster than a news feed that is not > super extensive. I don't know what things are like where you are, but here in Milwaukee, people whine no matter what, and if you give them some excuse, such as a laggy or spotty newsfeed, they will be on your butt.. PageSat still worries me, although I think it would make a fine backup system. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 07:21:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA18742 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sam.networx.ie (dublin-ts1-54.indigo.ie [194.125.133.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18737 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mip1.networx.ie (mip1.networx.ie [194.9.12.1]) by sam.networx.ie (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA01769; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:23:26 +0100 X-Organisation: I.T. NetworX Ltd X-Business: Network Consultancy and Training X-Address: 67 Merrion Square, Dublin 2, Ireland X-Voice: +353-1-676-8866 X-Fax: +353-1-676-8868 Received: from mike.networx.ie by mip1.networx.ie Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:15:42 BST From: Michael Ryan Reply-To: mike@NetworX.ie Subject: Re: Hosts learning routes in OSPF To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Maybe this is off-topic, but in an OSPF network, how do the > > end-nodes learn of up-to-date routes (I'm assuming that only > > the routers run OSPF)? > > The learn by using a default route that is one of the OSPF routers, > the OSPF router will send a redirect message to the host if there > is a better direct route to where this packet goes, or it will just > forward the packet if there is not a better local route. Thanks, Rodney. After I posted the question, I started thinking and reckoned that redirects might be the answer. > > > > > Is there the equivalent of a "routed -q" type facility? > > Nope, and not needed as far as I can see, the one function I > would like to see on OSPF (gated actually), and maybe I missed > it, is ``routed -g'' so that hosts on local nets can pick up > the default route from the wire instead of having to set it > on all of them. I think that rdisc can actually handle this > for me, but haven't tried to implement it here yet. I played a little bit with rdisc on Solaris, and it seems to work. Hmm, interesting... Mike --- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 07:25:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA19119 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19099 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA27086 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:25:20 GMT Received: from localhost (cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA26925 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:22:43 GMT Message-Id: <199608191422.OAA26925@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: cshenton owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on Compaq Presario etc? ether, graphics, etc X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.31.8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:22:42 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone installed FreeBSD on a Compaq Presario or similar boxes? I'm concerned that they may be using mutant ethernet chips, boards, and likewise for video, and potentially SCSI. (Sorry I don't have the exact target model number yet, but it's a Pentium 120 model). Thanks. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 10:31:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16028 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lyskamm.dnet.it (lyskamm.dnet.it [194.242.196.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16020 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by lyskamm.dnet.it (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id TAA29906; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:38:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (andi@localhost) by fap.dnet.it (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01416; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:33:14 GMT Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:33:14 +0000 () From: Andreas Mutschlechner X-Sender: andi@fap To: Tushar Patel cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tun device problem more info In-Reply-To: <199608162335.XAA12776@ecpi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Tushar Patel wrote: > Hi, > > I did some more experiment on the "/dev/MAKEDEV" and > I managed to get > > crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 10 Aug 16 23:19 tuna > ^^^ > correct minor number > > I have correct minor number, but it has same problem > > "No tunnel device is available" > "open_tun: Device_busy" > > By any chance this could be related to the fact that > I have "maxusers 10" in the generic KERNEL configuration? > > Please help me. > Time ago there was a bug report about this. The problem is ppp itself. The function OpenTunnel in os.c has some flaws: int OpenTunnel(ptun) int *ptun; { int s; char *cp; char *suffix = "0123456789"; <----- gives max tun9 char ifname[IFNAMSIZ]; char devname[12]; strcpy(devname, "/dev/tun0"); for (cp = suffix; *cp; cp++) { devname[8] = *cp; tun_out = open(devname, O_RDWR); if (tun_out >= 0) break; } ---SNIP----- Hope this helps. greets andi From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 18:13:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02762 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net (gandalf.asiapac.net [202.188.0.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02756 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tnc173.asiapac.net (tnc173.asiapac.net [202.188.1.73]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA14177 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:56:38 +0800 Message-Id: <199608200056.IAA14177@gandalf.asiapac.net> X-Sender: sckhoo@mail.asiapac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:07:07 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Swee-Chuan Khoo Subject: newbie isp question Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi, I am curently preparing to launch isp in my country. I have some question that i can't seem to find the answer. 1) can freebsd machine take more than 65000 user? the uid will ran out, right? 2) radius. CHAP can't use radius with password pointing to unix password file, is that true? Thanx. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Khoo Swee Chuan ( The Network Connections ) - system administrator | | http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ sckhoo@asiapac.net | | tel:603-7337757 fax:603-7345577 #include | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Live long and prosper" - "Be well and Happy" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 19:26:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06384 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06376 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA32710 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:38:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA12032 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:22:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: newbie isp question In-Reply-To: <199608200056.IAA14177@gandalf.asiapac.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Swee-Chuan Khoo wrote: > 1) can freebsd machine take more than 65000 user? the uid will > ran out, right? Yes. But if you are going to have that many users you should not be using the UNIX user database but should be building your own user database. If you use the Berekely db format to do this it mates nicely with sendmail and you only need to modify a few services to work with it like POP, IMAP, RADIUS and maybe httpd. > 2) radius. CHAP can't use radius with password pointing to > unix password file, is that true? Not true. RADIUS is a protocol for a NAS (Network Access Server) to communicate with an Authentication Server. The AS can use whatever it wants to for verifying the password and user name. Since CHAP is part of the PPP protocol set, the AS has nothing to do with it. If you have any questions about CHAP and RADIUS you should be asking your NAS vendors whether their PPP implementation will do CHAP and emit RADIUS queries. And if you are looking for a custom billing system built around commercial 4GL RDBMS technology then send me an email. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 20:29:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA09686 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA09664 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA45670; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 03:28:55 GMT Message-Id: <199608200328.DAA45670@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreebSD ISP list" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 23:27:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Looking for web hosting provider Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am not sure if this is the right place, but I would like URLs for WEB hosting providers. I already have the URL of several web hosting providers I like, but I would prefer to use a provider using FreeBSD to contribute to the cause. :) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 21:35:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18701 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from databus.databus.com (databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA18688 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:35:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Barney Wolff To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:27 EDT Subject: Re: newbie isp question Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <321940960.a57@databus.databus.com> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:22:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Dillon > > > 2) radius. CHAP can't use radius with password pointing to > > unix password file, is that true? > > Not true. RADIUS is a protocol for a NAS (Network Access Server) to > communicate with an Authentication Server. The AS can use whatever it > wants to for verifying the password and user name. Since CHAP is part of > the PPP protocol set, the AS has nothing to do with it. If you have any > questions about CHAP and RADIUS you should be asking your NAS vendors > whether their PPP implementation will do CHAP and emit RADIUS queries. Actually, RADIUS has nothing to do with it. CHAP cannot be used with any one-way encryption of the user's password, because the actual password is needed as input to the CHAP MD5 computation. In case that was not clear, one more time: to do CHAP, *both* sides (caller and verifier) need access to the clear-text form of the user's password, so neither side can store it using one-way encryption, but must use reversible encryption or none at all. That applies whether the password is checked directly by the NAS or remotely by an auth server. You can't use the Unix password file to verify CHAP, whether you're doing it locally or asking an auth server to do it. Barney Wolff From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 22:06:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA20748 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20735 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA15826; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:05:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:05:39 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Francisco Reyes cc: FreebSD ISP list Subject: Re: Looking for web hosting provider In-Reply-To: <199608200328.DAA45670@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.hilink.com.au/www.html We are just about to upgrade to 2.1.5 and provide MS Frontpage extensions. Danny On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Francisco Reyes wrote: > I am not sure if this is the right place, but I would like URLs for > WEB hosting providers. I already have the URL of several web hosting > providers I like, but I would prefer to use a provider using FreeBSD > to contribute to the cause. :) > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 22:39:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA22851 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22840 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA02321 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:51:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA13785 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:35:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbie isp question In-Reply-To: <321940960.a57@databus.databus.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Barney Wolff wrote: > In case that was not clear, one more time: to do CHAP, *both* sides > (caller and verifier) need access to the clear-text form of the user's > password, so neither side can store it using one-way encryption, but > must use reversible encryption or none at all. That applies whether the > password is checked directly by the NAS or remotely by an auth server. > > You can't use the Unix password file to verify CHAP, whether you're > doing it locally or asking an auth server to do it. Fair enough. However RADIUS will also work with cleartext passwords in the RADIUS users file, i.e. Password=my-passwd rather than Password=UNIX, so although a specific RADIUS server may not have CHAP support it should be possible to add that support unless there are some problems with field sizes. But the best place to ask this question would be on the RADIUS mailing list hosted by Livingston and the second best place to ask it would be on the portmaster-users@livingston.com mailing list. Last I checked both lists were monitored by the people at Merit who have the most feature-laden RADIUS server around. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 19 23:12:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA26412 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@mindbender.headcandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26406 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06278; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608200612.XAA06278@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbie isp question In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 19 Aug 96 19:22:55 -0700. Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:12:11 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Swee-Chuan Khoo wrote: >> 1) can freebsd machine take more than 65000 user? the uid will >> ran out, right? >Yes. But if you are going to have that many users you should not be using >the UNIX user database but should be building your own user database. Hesiod and kerberos handle this Really Well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 06:20:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27855 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27849 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from final.dystopia.fi (final.dystopia.fi [194.100.42.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id GAA12383 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kajtzu@localhost) by final.dystopia.fi (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA24272 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:18:32 +0300 From: "Kaj J. Niemi" Message-Id: <199608201318.QAA24272@final.dystopia.fi> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Compaq Presario etc? ether, graphics, etc To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:18:31 +0300 (EET DST) In-Reply-To: <199608191422.OAA26925@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> from "Chris Shenton" at Aug 19, 96 10:22:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyone installed FreeBSD on a Compaq Presario or similar boxes? I'm > concerned that they may be using mutant ethernet chips, boards, and > likewise for video, and potentially SCSI. (Sorry I don't have the exact > target model number yet, but it's a Pentium 120 model). Works great on my Presario CDS 942 incl. 486DX/100 (freq'ed), ISA, CL-GD5434, Sony-4X-ATAPI, etc. Afaik, Compaqs and FreeBSD work great.. :-) -- Kaj - kajtzu@dystopia.fi/04800-30565 - PGP: C1EA5FC1657D9CDF-017C33F44433E712 "Hmm.. I need a ride to the morgue.. Hey! that's what Emergency-911 is for!!" "Only the tough work a code in the buff!" - "Quod erat demonstrandum, baby.." From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 08:40:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06399 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wizard.teksupport.net.au (wizard.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06387 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magician.teksupport.net.au (magician.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.98]) by wizard.teksupport.net.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA11035 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:40:04 +1000 Message-Id: <199608201540.BAA11035@wizard.teksupport.net.au> X-Sender: robseco1@wizard.teksupport.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:40:04 +1100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Rob Secombe Subject: Error during 'make world' Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I was just in the process of upgrading a 2.1.0 system to 2.1.5. I copied the /usr/src tree off the live filesystem disk to the corresponding directory on sd0 and let a 'make world' loose. After about an hour or so it all went quiet and reported: md2hl.c:16: mdX.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. All a bit disappointing really :( I would have thought everthing would have been there. Anyone got any ideas? TIA Rob Secombe Teksupport Pty. Ltd. 7 Warwick Avenue, Springvale, Email robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au Melbourne 3171 Victoria Australia World Wide Web http://www.teksupport.net.au/ ************************************************************************* From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 09:13:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10323 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wave.cyberbeach.net (wave.cyberbeach.net [205.150.79.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10307 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from support.cyberbeach.net (support.cyberbeach.net [205.150.79.24]) by wave.cyberbeach.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA10912 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:13:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199608201613.MAA10912@wave.cyberbeach.net> From: "Kurt Schafer" To: Subject: Virtual WWW/FTP/Mail Hosting Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 12:09:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any way one can set up a FreeBSD box to host multiple WWW/FTP/Mail sites off of one machine ? I know with Apache, it is possible to have multiple HTTP processes listening and responding to different IP addresses (and is getting more standard too) but how about FTP and Mail ? Fiddling with SENDMAIL.CF has let me send/receive mail for multiple domains but usernames are limited to one 'jsmith' per machine rather than one 'jsmith' per domain. How about FTP ? Is there any way to set up an FTP site that will offer different PUB,INCOMING,etc directories based on the ftp host being accessed ? -Kurt From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 09:15:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10557 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.epsilon.nl (skipper.epsilon.nl [194.178.91.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10011 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jouke@localhost) by skipper.epsilon.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA25117 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:06:10 +0200 From: "J. Dijkstra" Message-Id: <199608201606.SAA25117@skipper.epsilon.nl> Subject: Weird Apache problem To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:06:10 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I just set up Apache to run virtual web servers. The IP aliasing was no problem, and everything runs almost fine.. The weird thing is, that if I modify the httpd.conf file to let the server run on port 81, there are no problems at all, and all three v-servers run fine. Now when I set the port to 80, the pages get mixed up! So when I want to few www.host1.com/index.html, I get www.host2.com/ index.html.. Anyone got a clue on what's going on here? - Jouke From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 10:02:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17765 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [165.90.138.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17756 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calweb.calweb.com (calweb.calweb.com [165.90.138.3]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24878; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web1.calweb.com (rdugaue@web1.calweb.com [165.90.138.10]) by calweb.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15201; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:55:20 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Du Gaue Reply-To: Robert Du Gaue To: Joe Greco cc: Alan Batie , andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: News provider feeback In-Reply-To: <199608191344.IAA19089@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think they did that long ago. Still, I would think that at some point, > it will necessarily crap out in terms of available bandwidth (I don't > suppose they are doing alt.binaries.* even now), and they will either have Why assume that??? They are doing all the standard groups including Alt. We had them on the slow speed feed and they were about 2 days behind with constant data *and* carried the alt.binaries.* as well, It was Planet Connect that did not carry those groups. With the upgrade to the high-speed service the Satelite has some 'resting time' which is why the data comes in bursts every 20-40 seconds and even then the burst is about 3 seconds or so, plenty of room to carry more. Here's a distribution of the 'lag' for 100,000+ messages received by our news server from a varity of sources. Pagesat clearly sends us the majority: >From jfesler@calweb.com Mon Aug 19 16:01:55 1996 Return-Path: jfesler@calweb.com Received: from news.calweb.com (root@news.calweb.com [165.90.138.5]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13299 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Fesler Received: (from root@localhost) by news.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24386; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608192301.QAA24386@news.calweb.com> To: rdugaue@calweb.com Subject: News results Status: RO X-Status: Currently, overall, pagesat is providing 2/3'ds of our news, with an average lag of 6.42 hours from the time the message is posted to the time we see it here. This sample is over the last 100,000 messages. Totals and heirarchies for any group that has a significant number of articles is actually shown below. Many 'ignorable' groups are not listed based on the quantity seen in the last 100,000 messages. Newsgroup Name/Site Lag # of msg. -TOTAL 10.067h 99795 -TOTAL via jolt.pagesat.net 6.420h 61863 -TOTAL via missing 6.995h 975 -TOTAL via news.campus.mci.net 12.095h 31580 -TOTAL via news.crocker.com 44.581h 1035 -TOTAL via news.quiknet.com 40.251h 4257 ab 7.215h 88 abg 12.506h 58 alt 10.503h 32363 alt via jolt.pagesat.net 7.086h 20479 alt via missing 7.721h 695 alt via news.campus.mci.net 13.056h 9193 alt via news.crocker.com 41.049h 589 alt via news.quiknet.com 32.513h 1370 atl 5.584h 91 atl via jolt.pagesat.net 2.415h 70 aus 4.750h 734 aus via jolt.pagesat.net 3.625h 461 aus via news.campus.mci.net 4.781h 253 austin 7.353h 119 austin via jolt.pagesat.net 5.987h 95 ba 8.338h 1070 ba via jolt.pagesat.net 5.837h 642 ba via news.campus.mci.net 9.652h 313 ba via news.quiknet.com 18.585h 99 bc 9.922h 61 be 5.125h 56 be via jolt.pagesat.net 5.068h 52 bionet 2.787h 114 bionet via jolt.pagesat.net 2.870h 93 bit 23.058h 2045 bit via jolt.pagesat.net 17.551h 1100 bit via news.campus.mci.net 28.238h 882 bit via news.quiknet.com 48.692h 60 biz 5.855h 753 biz via jolt.pagesat.net 4.374h 606 biz via news.campus.mci.net 8.676h 122 bln 10.515h 59 c20 36.259h 56 c20 via jolt.pagesat.net 32.694h 52 ca 11.275h 77 can 8.127h 202 can via jolt.pagesat.net 7.500h 141 can via news.campus.mci.net 5.831h 56 chi 3.767h 81 chi via jolt.pagesat.net 2.902h 62 chile 6.281h 61 chile via jolt.pagesat.net 6.150h 60 chinese 4.135h 209 chinese via jolt.pagesat.net 2.550h 140 chinese via news.campus.mci.net 0.812h 51 cl 29.429h 105 cl via jolt.pagesat.net 22.950h 64 cna 5.230h 241 cna via jolt.pagesat.net 4.519h 162 cna via news.campus.mci.net 2.197h 61 comp 8.281h 8258 comp via jolt.pagesat.net 4.904h 4818 comp via news.campus.mci.net 9.855h 3119 comp via news.crocker.com 71.401h 104 comp via news.quiknet.com 36.577h 174 control 7.967h 4291 control via jolt.pagesat.net 5.448h 2973 control via news.campus.mci.net 10.731h 1121 control via news.quiknet.com 29.700h 140 csie 5.231h 65 dc 7.070h 149 dc via jolt.pagesat.net 5.707h 114 de 31.654h 1225 de via jolt.pagesat.net 9.203h 78 de via news.campus.mci.net 30.652h 989 de via news.quiknet.com 49.009h 158 demon 13.019h 366 demon via jolt.pagesat.net 8.421h 335 dfw 7.501h 130 dfw via jolt.pagesat.net 4.798h 102 dk 5.568h 95 dk via jolt.pagesat.net 4.916h 81 es 8.799h 56 fj 11.857h 437 fj via news.campus.mci.net 6.080h 345 fj via news.quiknet.com 34.541h 89 fl 4.830h 91 fl via jolt.pagesat.net 3.776h 63 fr 13.906h 203 fr via news.campus.mci.net 9.170h 162 han 2.355h 151 han via jolt.pagesat.net 0.603h 131 hawaii 14.204h 113 hawaii via jolt.pagesat.net 14.133h 71 hk 2.217h 370 hk via jolt.pagesat.net 1.539h 283 hk via news.campus.mci.net 0.279h 53 houston 6.957h 110 houston via jolt.pagesat.net 6.451h 87 it 12.746h 298 it via jolt.pagesat.net 12.524h 246 k12 9.078h 199 k12 via jolt.pagesat.net 5.331h 123 k12 via news.campus.mci.net 14.586h 66 la 7.475h 90 la via jolt.pagesat.net 4.324h 66 linux 6.983h 117 linux via jolt.pagesat.net 6.765h 80 maus 28.523h 744 maus via jolt.pagesat.net 26.052h 589 maus via news.campus.mci.net 25.732h 106 microsoft 65.547h 745 microsoft via jolt.pagesat.net 12.885h 257 microsoft via news.campus.mci.net 64.165h 150 microsoft via news.quiknet.com 106.386h 328 misc 4.798h 3996 misc via jolt.pagesat.net 3.851h 2885 misc via news.campus.mci.net 5.419h 1018 mtl 12.582h 50 muc 25.218h 131 muc via jolt.pagesat.net 14.363h 82 ncar 7.007h 294 ncar via jolt.pagesat.net 4.927h 219 ncar via news.campus.mci.net 2.434h 62 nctu 5.712h 121 nctu via jolt.pagesat.net 5.223h 81 ne 4.223h 184 ne via jolt.pagesat.net 3.874h 140 news 5.275h 702 news via jolt.pagesat.net 4.827h 379 news via news.campus.mci.net 5.021h 296 nl 6.925h 460 nl via jolt.pagesat.net 6.122h 377 nl via news.campus.mci.net 8.484h 76 no 13.440h 121 no via news.campus.mci.net 2.805h 72 nyc 11.362h 76 nyc via jolt.pagesat.net 8.042h 54 nz 7.383h 149 nz via jolt.pagesat.net 6.466h 101 ont 6.663h 51 ott 7.540h 168 ott via jolt.pagesat.net 5.270h 125 pgh 5.235h 57 phl 10.411h 59 pl 3.150h 338 pl via jolt.pagesat.net 4.311h 212 pl via news.campus.mci.net 1.197h 126 prg 6.381h 75 prg via jolt.pagesat.net 4.009h 64 pt 5.957h 120 pt via jolt.pagesat.net 5.022h 95 rec 5.999h 16333 rec via jolt.pagesat.net 5.093h 9431 rec via news.campus.mci.net 5.666h 6325 rec via news.crocker.com 42.215h 159 rec via news.quiknet.com 19.226h 371 relcom 15.891h 804 relcom via jolt.pagesat.net 5.533h 87 relcom via news.campus.mci.net 4.996h 502 relcom via news.quiknet.com 45.524h 215 saar 20.656h 69 sci 7.548h 1326 sci via jolt.pagesat.net 4.867h 718 sci via news.campus.mci.net 10.002h 565 seattle 7.708h 93 seattle via jolt.pagesat.net 7.127h 74 sfnet 4.900h 616 sfnet via jolt.pagesat.net 4.848h 449 sfnet via news.campus.mci.net 1.901h 156 sg 8.039h 103 sg via jolt.pagesat.net 2.339h 70 soc 20.820h 3980 soc via jolt.pagesat.net 6.553h 2066 soc via news.campus.mci.net 36.203h 1835 soc via news.quiknet.com 34.208h 54 swnet 10.290h 289 swnet via jolt.pagesat.net 10.592h 221 swnet via news.campus.mci.net 8.317h 60 talk 6.316h 754 talk via jolt.pagesat.net 5.649h 474 talk via news.campus.mci.net 5.841h 258 tor 10.319h 110 tor via jolt.pagesat.net 7.852h 86 triangle 4.190h 132 triangle via jolt.pagesat.net 2.597h 102 tw 4.814h 6444 tw via jolt.pagesat.net 4.284h 4761 tw via missing 4.523h 83 tw via news.campus.mci.net 2.345h 1288 tw via news.quiknet.com 23.239h 311 tx 4.490h 185 tx via jolt.pagesat.net 2.659h 155 uiuc 5.925h 82 uiuc via jolt.pagesat.net 4.805h 66 uk 11.324h 639 uk via jolt.pagesat.net 3.951h 117 uk via news.campus.mci.net 7.983h 462 uk via news.quiknet.com 52.197h 57 ukr 8.464h 297 ukr via jolt.pagesat.net 6.731h 231 ukr via news.campus.mci.net 11.033h 62 us 9.575h 215 us via jolt.pagesat.net 5.124h 161 van 7.851h 62 van via jolt.pagesat.net 7.910h 58 z-netz 28.492h 532 z-netz via jolt.pagesat.net 23.944h 390 z-netz via news.campus.mci.net 24.207h 74 z-netz via news.quiknet.com 60.092h 67 za 0.477h 58 All in all I'd give their service between a 7-8.5 for message reliablity and delivery. If you have a slow feed to the 'net though this service is well worth it since it frees up alot of bandwidth that would otherwise be riding on your T1. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com President, CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 11:32:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23826 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (root@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23818 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22721; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199608201832.LAA22721@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: Virtual WWW/FTP/Mail Hosting To: kurt@cyberbeach.net (Kurt Schafer) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608201613.MAA10912@wave.cyberbeach.net> from Kurt Schafer at "Aug 20, 95 12:09:26 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is there any way one can set up a FreeBSD box to host multiple WWW/FTP/Mail > sites off of one machine ? > > I know with Apache, it is possible to have multiple HTTP processes > listening and responding to different IP addresses (and is > getting more standard too) but how about FTP and Mail ? > > Fiddling with SENDMAIL.CF has let me send/receive mail for multiple domains > but usernames are limited to one 'jsmith' per machine rather than one > 'jsmith' per domain. With the rules of Sendmail it can be done to have tables/external DBs to provide this. > > How about FTP ? Is there any way to set up an FTP site that will offer > different PUB,INCOMING,etc directories based on the ftp host being accessed > ? There exists patches for wu-ftpd to provide virtual ftp hosts. > > -Kurt > Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 11:35:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24110 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.trifecta.com (www.trifecta.com [206.245.150.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24103 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dev@localhost) by www.trifecta.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA09448; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:33:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem In-Reply-To: <199608201606.SAA25117@skipper.epsilon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Speaking of other weird Apache problems, I have noticed that apache for us has become less responsive. We will connect, and it takes a long time to download a page. It seems that either the network connection or apache seems to be taking very long to send that page. I am running a P120 w/32 megs or RAM, w/PCI SCSI2 adaptec host adapter, etc.etc. Any ideas on how to get a quicker response? Dev Chanchani www.interactive.trifecta.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 12:10:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26033 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26024 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17065; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:03:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:03:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199608201503.KAA17065@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: PPP Server? Cc: Steve Reid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >For a PPP server, I recommend Kernel PPP. I've heard it's more reliable, >and you can run it directly from init (by editing /etc/gettytab) and the >users won't have to go through a login prompt. Does it require static or dynamic IP assignments? I'd prefer dynamic Is there a documentation on how to do this? I've looked at the man page but, it blew me away... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 13:01:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29089 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29081 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17686 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:54:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:54:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199608201554.KAA17686@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: DNS Problem Again Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got me a 2G IDE and reinstalled 2.1. I configured it same as I did before, but now I can ping by IP but by name. Also the nslookup will display server name with 0.0.0.0 IP when first ran instead of 206.24.68.15. And can't lookup up anyone else but and its canical names. I looked over the DNS configuration, and can't seem to find error. Its very close to one in isot.isot.com and ORA's DNS book. In /etc/sysconfig, I got the hostname=multibyte.multibyte.com and defaultrouter=isot.isot.com which are tied in by ethernet. Am I missing anything else? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 13:18:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29948 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egate.egate.net (ns.egate.net [207.34.206.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29939 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paul@localhost) by egate.egate.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA04219; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:18:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Andersen To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: DNS Just stops for PPP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have the strangest thing happening here (or so I think)... Some of our PPP customers have had their DNS not work sometimes. It happens to all customers at the same time and the customers PPP in through a livingston box. The strange part of it is that the DNS server (the FreeBSD 2.1 box) seems to be working to the machine. I can do an Nslookup from the machine itself and it seems to be getting answers from our servers. We normally have to HUP the named process a few times and that clears it up. Any ideas? Paul ----------- Paul Andersen paul@egate.net System Administrator T: +1 (416) 447-8505x23 E-Gate Communications Inc. F: +1 (416) 447-6447 Toronto, Ontario P: +1 (416) 382-9316 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 13:29:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00798 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00791 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13712; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199608202018.QAA13712@rk.ios.com> Subject: Re: newbie isp question To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Aug 19, 96 07:22:55 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Swee-Chuan Khoo wrote: > > > 1) can freebsd machine take more than 65000 user? the uid will > > ran out, right? On my 2.2-SNAP: typedef u_int32_t uid_t; /* ****/types.h */ It means you can have 4 G users > > Yes. But if you are going to have that many users you should not be using > the UNIX user database but should be building your own user database. > If you use the Berekely db format to do this it mates nicely with sendmail > and you only need to modify a few services to work with it like POP, IMAP, > RADIUS and maybe httpd. You shouldn't modify anything in apps if you do it nicely. The only routine(s) which has to be changed is getpw* family from libc . All well behaved apps never crunch /etc/passwd themselves. Rashid From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 13:33:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01090 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01079 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hon.hn ([206.48.105.210]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA13104 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hon.hn (hon.hn [206.48.253.65]) by hon.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00469 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:31:51 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:31:51 +0000 () From: "Samuel E. Romero" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Apache response with MSIE3.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm setting up a site using FreeBSD 2.1.5 and Apache 1.1.1. Everything was working ok until MSIE3.0 came out. I downloaded it and tested to see the appareance and all that using that browser and the server didn't responded as with Netscape (I didn't try the beta versions so I can't tell if happened with all of them). It lags to answer the requests and sometimes it even losses the requests. I used that browser to go to other sites (I think they are using Apache), and the response was Ok. Is there something in the configuration to fix this? -- Samuel E. Romero Soluciones Internacionales ser@hon.hn Honduras On Net Tel. CC:(504)39-0547 Tegucigalpa, M.D.C. Honduras, C.A. 16 0F 78 9E E2 C3 52 46 - 27 7F 97 08 99 E5 1A F9 -- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 13:35:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01297 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (root@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01288 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22995 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199608202034.NAA22995@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:34:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from Dev Chanchani at "Aug 20, 96 02:33:55 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. Speaking of weird problems. I was falling about a problem and I am not sure if I am too stupid :) or there is a bug. If it is a bug, I would put it into security bug bucket. I have the following access.conf: # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. Options Indexes IncludesNOEXEC FollowSymLinks order allow,deny allow from all As this shows I set IncludesNOEXEC, which should allow me to do Server Side Includes, but no CGI-BIN or external programs. Now I have here this webpage: Ulf's empty homepage I have no time to make something up here, but I would like to give you some links to memory specs:)

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------ As you see I have 1 CGI, 1 external program and 1 ECHO. If I know access this via http://server/ulf/index.html, the server executes the ECHO and don't allow the CGI and external program. It gives a message like "An error occured while executing this directive" But now, if I access this page via http://server/~ulf/index.html it executes everything regardless of "Option IncludeNOEXEC". Has anyone seens this too? Open for everything. And yes you can call me stupid, if it is in the manual, but I couldn't find anything. I looked into the source code and I think it might be a bug. Ulf. :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 13:59:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03696 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jules.citizen1.com (grigsby@jules.citizen1.com [206.169.17.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03689 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grigsby@localhost) by jules.citizen1.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA05150; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Grigsby Message-Id: <199608202100.OAA05150@jules.citizen1.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, gism@isot.isot.com Subject: Re: DNS Problem Again Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:54:54 -0500 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org >From: Global Internet Shopping Mall >Subject: DNS Problem Again >Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org >Precedence: bulk > >I got me a 2G IDE and reinstalled 2.1. I configured it same as I did >before, but now I can ping by IP but by name. Also the nslookup will >display server name with 0.0.0.0 IP when first ran instead of 206.24.68.15. >And can't lookup up anyone else but and its >canical names. > >I looked over the DNS configuration, and can't seem to find error. Its very >close to one in isot.isot.com and ORA's DNS book. > >In /etc/sysconfig, I got the hostname=multibyte.multibyte.com and >defaultrouter=isot.isot.com which are tied in by ethernet. > >Am I missing anything else? The file /etc/resolv.conf lists the nameservers the machine will query. A line such as "nameserver 0.0.0.0" just means "use the name service running locally." It sounds like you might not have a db.cache file, which lists the root name servers (those for the root domain ".") -- the nameservers your named should ask when it doesn't know where else to go. In your named.boot file you should have a line something like this cache . db.cache where db.cache is a file that lists the addresses of the root name servers. Scott From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 14:25:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA05547 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.trifecta.com (www.trifecta.com [206.245.150.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05542 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dev@localhost) by www.trifecta.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA10808; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:23:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: "Samuel E. Romero" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache response with MSIE3.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is the same problem that I am having if you see my earler post about our server losing responsiveness. We run apachessl and they just announced a new release, I was thinking about grabbing it to take a look. Dev On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Samuel E. Romero wrote: > I'm setting up a site using FreeBSD 2.1.5 and Apache 1.1.1. Everything > was working ok until MSIE3.0 came out. I downloaded it and tested to > see the appareance and all that using that browser and the server didn't > responded as with Netscape (I didn't try the beta versions so I can't > tell if happened with all of them). It lags to answer the requests and > sometimes it even losses the requests. I used that browser to go to other > sites (I think they are using Apache), and the response was Ok. Is there > something in the configuration to fix this? > > -- > Samuel E. Romero Soluciones Internacionales > ser@hon.hn Honduras On Net > Tel. CC:(504)39-0547 Tegucigalpa, M.D.C. Honduras, C.A. > 16 0F 78 9E E2 C3 52 46 - 27 7F 97 08 99 E5 1A F9 > -- > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 14:43:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA06469 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06459 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00305; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:43:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Global Internet Shopping Mall cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Steve Reid Subject: Re: PPP Server? In-Reply-To: <199608201503.KAA17065@isot.isot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >For a PPP server, I recommend Kernel PPP. I've heard it's more reliable, > >and you can run it directly from init (by editing /etc/gettytab) and the > >users won't have to go through a login prompt. > > Does it require static or dynamic IP assignments? I'd prefer dynamic > Is there a documentation on how to do this? I've looked at the man page > but, it blew me away... You can create a /etc/ppp/options.ttyXX file for every tty you have PPP connections coming in from and set a different address for each tty. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 15:44:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09456 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamespot.com (ns1.gamespot.com [206.169.18.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09451 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tech-a.gamespot.com (tech-a.gamespot.com [206.169.18.59]) by gamespot.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA06207; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:33:26 GMT Message-Id: <199608201533.PAA06207@gamespot.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ian Kallen" To: Ulf Zimmermann Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:39:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem Reply-to: ian@gamespot.com CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Ulf Zimmermann brevity.. > I have the following access.conf: > # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. > > Options Indexes IncludesNOEXEC FollowSymLinks > > order allow,deny > allow from all > > brevity... > ------ > As you see I have 1 CGI, 1 external program and 1 ECHO. If I know access > this via http://server/ulf/index.html, the server executes the ECHO and > don't allow the CGI and external program. It gives a message like > "An error occured while executing this directive" > > But now, if I access this page via http://server/~ulf/index.html it executes > everything regardless of "Option IncludeNOEXEC". Has anyone seens this too? I don't run user home pages but I'll venture a guess: You are setting NOEXEC for /usr/local/www/data but is your home directory under that directory tree? ~ulf/public_html is probably not covered by this diretive. Ian Kallen ian@gamespot.com Director of Technology & Web Administration http://www.gamespot.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 15:48:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09680 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (root@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09675 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA23305; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199608202247.PAA23305@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem To: ian@gamespot.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608201533.PAA06207@gamespot.com> from Ian Kallen at "Aug 20, 96 03:39:06 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > From: Ulf Zimmermann > brevity.. > > I have the following access.conf: > > # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. > > > > Options Indexes IncludesNOEXEC FollowSymLinks > > > > order allow,deny > > allow from all > > > > > brevity... > > ------ > > As you see I have 1 CGI, 1 external program and 1 ECHO. If I know access > > this via http://server/ulf/index.html, the server executes the ECHO and > > don't allow the CGI and external program. It gives a message like > > "An error occured while executing this directive" > > > > But now, if I access this page via http://server/~ulf/index.html it executes > > everything regardless of "Option IncludeNOEXEC". Has anyone seens this too? > > I don't run user home pages but I'll venture a guess: > > You are setting NOEXEC for /usr/local/www/data but is your home > directory under that directory tree? ~ulf/public_html is probably not > covered by this diretive. > > > Ian Kallen ian@gamespot.com > Director of Technology & Web Administration > http://www.gamespot.com > Probably your are right, but I can't see any option anywhere to set that. Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 20 19:22:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA28639 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tbd.gfoster.com (dyna237.intr.net [204.157.123.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28629 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by tbd.gfoster.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA00343; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:21:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199608210221.WAA00343@tbd.gfoster.com> To: rif@ns.kconline.com CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Jim Riffle on Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:38:17 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: UUCP server configuration Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The best general reference for setting up uucp I have found is the O'Reilly book "Managing uucp and Usenet" by Tim O'Reilly and Grace Todino ISBN: 0-937175-93-5. I understand that the book has just been or is about to be released in a new edition so you might want to check with the publisher before you buy it. The edition I have does not cover the Taylor uucp included in FreeBSD but the background information on how uucp works is invaluable. The included Taylor uucp "info" docs might be enough on their own to get you up and running, try "info uucp" at a shell prompt. It is a mistake to refer to "server and client" when talking about uucp. It is really a peer-to-peer protocol with either party to a conversation being able to initiate it. If you don't want your machine to call out and only accept incoming calls, you simply don't give it any legal times-of-day to dial. Setting up uucp-accessable mail drops as you have described below is becoming very popular. Here is how I have done it. 0. select appropriate nodenames (up to eight characters) for the machine dialing in and the machine being dialed. 1. establish a login for the client, shell needs to be /path/to/uucico, userid has to be the same as user uucp (66 on standard FreeBSD systems) 2. set up the uucp system files to authenticate the system dialing in but do not give any legal time to call them ...at this point the client should be able to dial in and send mail to anyone on the dialed machine but cannot get mail because the standard sendmail.cf file included with FreeBSD knows nothing about UUCP. 3. establish a DNS domain for the client and MX them to your uucp host 4. make sure the domain name in #3 is in the sendmail "w" class 5. configure sendmail.cf with the uucpdomain and mailertable feature sets 6. set up a mailertable that points the domain in #3 to the appropriate uucp mailer (usually uucp-dom) 7. set up a uucpdomain mapping that rewrites the uucp nodename to the DNS domain and vice versa 8. (doing 7 should preclude you from having to do this but I have never gotten it to work) put a custom rule in S51 in sendmail.cf that does something like this: R$+<@NODENAME.uucp>$* $@$1<@NODE.DOMAIN.DOM>$2 (replace the CAPS with names appropriate to your case). Write me back if I can help you more with this. Glen Foster >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:38:17 -0500 (EST) >From: Jim Riffle > >Could someone please point me towards some documentation on how to set up >a UUCP server? What I am tring to do is set it up to where my system will >accept mail for a domain via uucp. I was able to find plenty of docs on >how to setup uucp as a client, but I am having real troubles finding docs >on a server for a mail and possiably news domain. > >An example would be, say a local BBS wanted to have a domain where they >could get mail/news. The mail would come to my server where they would >call and pick it up, and post any mail they had outgoing. > >Thanks, >Jim Riffle From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 06:19:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA14035 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14025 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA29176; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:12:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:12:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199608210912.EAA29176@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Scott Grigsby From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: Re: DNS Problem Again Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Thanks Scott. Got it working. For the nameserver IP, I put >>206.24.68.1 instead of 15 and seems working. Don't understand though, >>that IP belongs to the server this machine is attached by ethernet. >>And I really wanted this to be nameserver. > >Well, now you are just relying on 206.24.68.1 as the nameserver; you >haven't solved the problem of why named wasn't working on your machine >(.15). I guess your right. When I registered the domain I made as secondary. Do I need to add multibyte.com in isot.com as secondary? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 07:08:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA17719 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17688 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id KAA10066; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199608211406.KAA10066@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: newbie isp question In-Reply-To: <199608202018.QAA13712@rk.ios.com> from Rashid Karimov at "Aug 20, 96 04:18:22 pm" To: rashid@rk.ios.com (Rashid Karimov) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Cc: michael@memra.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rashid Karimov writes: > > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Swee-Chuan Khoo wrote: > > > > > 1) can freebsd machine take more than 65000 user? the uid will > > > ran out, right? > > > On my 2.2-SNAP: > > typedef u_int32_t uid_t; /* ****/types.h */ > > It means you can have 4 G users Not without a bit of work. Add a user to your password file with a uid >= 65536 and pwd_mkdb will whine about a bad entry. The uid value is limited to 16 bits for compatibility with older *nix password files and NIS. This can be changed/fixed if backwards compatibility is of no interest. These code fragments are from -stable. pwd_mkdb/pw_scan.c:94 fragment from pw_scan() if (id > USHRT_MAX) { warnx("%s > max gid value (%d)", p, USHRT_MAX); return (0); } pwd_mkdb/pwd_mkdb.c:385 fragment from scan() if (!pw_scan(line, pw)) { warnx("at line #%d", lcnt); fmt: errno = EFTYPE; /* XXX */ error(pname); } There may be some NIS issues that need to be addressed also. I didn't look at that code. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 07:29:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA19682 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from infolink3.infolink.net (terrylam@infolink3.infolink.net [202.68.28.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19677 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terrylam@localhost) by infolink3.infolink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA10792 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:20:21 +0800 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:20:21 +0800 From: Terry Lam Message-Id: <199608211420.WAA10792@infolink3.infolink.net> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 07:35:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA20207 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20199 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA29752; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 05:28:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 05:28:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199608211028.FAA29752@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Steve Reid From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: Re: PPP Server? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >For a PPP server, I recommend Kernel PPP. I've heard it's more >> >> >reliable, and you can run it directly from init (by editing >> >> >etc/gettytab) and the users won't have to go through a login prompt. > >You can create a /etc/ppp/options.ttyXX file for every tty you have PPP >connections coming in from and set a different address for each tty. So something like /etc/ppp/options.ttyc0 below? crtscts # Hardware flow control netmask 255.255.255.0 # netmask ( not required ) 206.24.68.15:206.24.68.100 # ip's of local and remote hosts domain ppp.multibyte.com # my domain passive # wait for LCP modem # modem line Would this assign (.100) to the port ttyc0? On the domain part the host name should be ppp? If so, do I need to create canical name of ppp in the DNS? Do I also create /etc/ppp/pppserv.ttyc0, /etc/ppp/pppservdown.ttyc0, /etc/ppp/kermit.ans.ttyc0, and /etc/ppp/kermit.noans.ttyc0 scripts as shown in doc? One for each ttyc? Or just one file each and specify all the ttycX and pppX in each file? Thanks for help. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 08:26:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26544 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com ([207.31.83.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26531 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA04423 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608211525.LAA04423@absinthe.i3inc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: absinthe.i3inc.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Gated.conf for dialup subnets? X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.31.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Wed_Aug_21_11:25:36_1996)--" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:25:38 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ----Next_Part(Wed_Aug_21_11:25:36_1996)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii I've set up a FreeBSD box for dialup access for a few dialups which need to route to various home-office subnets. FreeBSD-2.1.5-RELEASE routed doesn't support the variable-length subnet masks I need to use to provide ppp PtP nets and larger ones for the remote nets, eg: Dialup router: ppp0 207.31.83.5->207.31.83.6 /30 subnet To remote net: 207.31.83.32 ... .48 /28 subnet I took the plunge and brought up gated, and managed to hack a .conf file together which rips out .6/32 and .32/28, but I'm not sure I have it right. I can't depend on the remote nets sending me RIPv2 updates, so I have to static them somehow. The gated docs are decent syntax references, but aren't that helpful as a guide of what to do and why. The O'Reilly TCP/IP Network Administration book covers it pretty well, but the commands/syntax are for an earlier version of gated, and don't include some items in the latest rev in the ports collection (eg: define ... pointtopoint). Anyone got working samples, advice, or pointers to good tutorials and references? Many thanks. I've attached config-du-jour if you think it might help -- or just want to laugh :-) --Chris ----Next_Part(Wed_Aug_21_11:25:36_1996)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: "gated.conf" # $Id: gated.conf,v 1.8 1996/08/21 04:35:13 chris Exp $ # # sisyphus: PPP server at Provider # ed1 205.215.4.64/24 # ppp0 207.31.83.5:207.31.83.6/30 (to absinthe) # ppp1 ?? # absinthe: gateway on homenet # ppp0 207.31.83.6:207.31.83.5/30 (to sisyphus) # le0 207.31.83.33/28 (on net 207.31.83.32/28) # # Want to advertise static/kernel/direct ?? route to PPP-connected homenet # and PtP interface to the Provider net out ed1. ############################################################################### traceoptions "/var/log/gated.log" replace size 50k files 3 general; # Was advertising .32/28 and .6/32 OK without this; # working on getting it to dynamically advertise when PPP is alive. # See also: static{} and export ... {proto static...} interfaces { interface all passive; # never time them out define 207.31.83.6 pointtopoint 207.31.83.5; # might not be at boot }; rip yes { broadcast; # regardless of #if's, static, etc defaultmetric 1; # add to routes learned from other protos interface 205.215.4.64 version 2; # RIPv2 to provider }; static { default gateway 205.215.4.1 retain; # default ether route # Only see static when pppp's really up. 207.31.83.32 mask 255.255.255.240 gateway 207.31.83.6 interface ppp; # Why isn't this advertised?? #207.31.83.32 mask 255.255.255.240 gateway 207.31.83.6; # Advertised as .4/30; Direct does .6/32, why?? #207.31.83.4 mask 255.255.255.252 gateway 207.31.83.6; # use Direct?? # Need to set default route with "retain"... but not export }; export proto rip interface 205.215.4.64 { # export to Provider proto direct { # all direct nets # Advertised as .6/32; why not 4/30?? 207.31.83.4 mask 255.255.255.252 metric 1; # ppp mini-network only }; proto static { # all defined statics 207.31.83.32 mask 255.255.255.240 metric 2; # homenet via ppp stat }; # This rips out .32/28, finally, but remotes no longer sends .4/30. # But what if it's not (manually) installed in the kernel?? # want it to come up when I log in via ppp. proto kernel { # learned from kernel 207.31.83.32 mask 255.255.255.240 metric 1; # homenet }; }; ----Next_Part(Wed_Aug_21_11:25:36_1996)---- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 11:25:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14019 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14012 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02509; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:19:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:19:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199608211419.JAA02509@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Scott Grigsby From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: Re: DNS Problem Again Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Well, now you are just relying on 206.24.68.1 as the nameserver; you >haven't solved the problem of why named wasn't working on your machine >(.15). I been playing with /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/sysconfig and now it doesn't work anymore. I put it back exactly as when it was working, but doesn't work either, what is going on whith thing... I tried all variation that I could think of: Now it will not ping outside the local network and the nslookup says default server not available. Is there anyother files I need to configure besides the below? /etc/named.boot /etc/namedb/* /etc/sysconfig /etc/resolv.conf /etc/hosts /etc/host.conf Help! Getting little frustrated... :( From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 11:34:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14729 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pelican.altadena.net (pelican.dial.interworld.net [206.124.240.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14721 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pelican.altadena.net (Smail3.1.29.1 #10) id m0utI6d-0000RwC; Wed, 21 Aug 96 11:34 PDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 11:34 PDT From: pete@pelican.altadena.net (Pete Carah) To: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz Subject: Re: INN In-Reply-To: <199608152213.PAA28830@freefall.freebsd.org> Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199608152213.PAA28830@freefall.freebsd.org> you write: >At 12:43 PM 8/15/96, Jason Wilson wrote: >>It starts at around 2MB, goes upto about 8MB within an hour or so, then >>sits at around 11MB thereafter. I haven't really put it to any use other >>than one incoming feed (ie. there's no nnrp clients yet) due to the >>performance problems. As for swap though it sits quite low. The ram >>will go from (24MB current) to 64MB after this issue is resolved. The >>only time I see any real performance is in the first minute before any >>incoming feeds start. >Sorry, I think I'm stumped now. I've never encountered anything like this in >INN, the swap thing was the one idea I had. From what you say above, do you >mean that INN's performance gradually slows down over that 15-30minutes, or >does it stop suddenly? What do the ends of your news log files say when it >stops? Are any other networking subsystems on your server affected? That last question is probably the key. Did you remember the rather important overrides in the kernel config maxusers 200 (AT LEAST 128 for any news server) options "NMBCLUSTERS=4096" You also need child_max and open_max overrides if you expect to have many readers (see "LINT" for details). I have 200 on each. Actually I'd like to see DG's sizing for ftp.cdrom... *that* should handle any load any isp could throw at a non-smp machine. Lacking that nmbcluster override can easily cause symptoms like you see. It should, however, influence other TCP speeds besides news. See "netstat -m" For example (this is my home machine on a full-time 28k link) pelican:10% netstat -m 81 mbufs in use: 14 mbufs allocated to data 5 mbufs allocated to packet headers 45 mbufs allocated to protocol control blocks 17 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 1/146 mbuf clusters in use 302 Kbytes allocated to network (4% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines The 146 is a high-water mark, NOT the sysgen max. DG can elaborate on what this actually means; I'm not really sure, as long as those denied and delayed lines are both 0 all should be OK. My *home* innd (unoff3 right now; to be upgraded) is: news 195 9.0 11.0 9960 3388 ?? DNs 10Aug96 355:28.50 /usr/lib/newsbin/innd/innd -p4 -r -i0 or 39 megs virt 15 real. That is for a fairly small feed (no alt.bin at all, and the only big-8 group that I get all of is 'news.*'. :-) Note that innd has been up since the last boot which was only needed because of a power failure ("THE" power failure); it took down santa clara nap and cix and fix-west, and all the other western interchange points too :-(. Normally I boot about once/month unless my daughter gets to the red button. I also run two "full-feed" machines, both P120s with 4x3g 5400RPM Micropolis SCSI drives (one drive is alt.binaries only; that now allows an expire of 2.5 days for that drive. Alt.binaries has gone crazy lately :-). Those say: news 207 1.8 25.6 20820 7908 ?? DNs Tue05AM 40:16.86 /usr/lib/newsbin/innd/innd -p4 -r -i0 and news 221 11.2 26.7 19240 17020 ?? SNs Mon08AM 235:45.45 /usr/lib/newsbin/innd/innd -p4 -r -i0 These are also both unoff3. Both of them were started during boots; I don't know the reason for either boot. Note that virt is around 80mb for both. Interestingly the one with expire running is the one with the smaller "real" size (and it has a somewhat bigger feed, too). However, the "real" may not be comparable since the smaller one is running on a 2.0.5 system and the other has been upgraded to 2.1.5; sometimes ps gets tinkered with. The biggest change that matters (streaming) was introduced in unoff3. That makes the 28k feed actually work :-) A couple of the unoff4 changes look useful; I'm going to upgrade all of these servers over the next week or two. The netstat -m from them is: 147 mbufs in use: 109 mbufs allocated to data 9 mbufs allocated to packet headers 24 mbufs allocated to protocol control blocks 5 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 106/254 mbuf clusters in use 526 Kbytes allocated to network (43% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines and 103 mbufs in use: 30 mbufs allocated to data 9 mbufs allocated to packet headers 50 mbufs allocated to protocol control blocks 14 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 28/126 mbuf clusters in use 264 Kbytes allocated to network (26% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines in the same order. Both of these two systems often last a month or more. >From these numbers it would seem that 4096 is way high, but DG has recommended that number in the past to anyone with a news server who has performance problems. I don't really know how it relates to the netstat -m output (i.e. if the 254 is limited at 4096 or if there is some other relationship there.) -- Pete From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 12:40:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19431 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.trifecta.com ([206.245.150.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19426 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dev@localhost) by www.trifecta.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA01562; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: support@c2.org Subject: Apache Performance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I have noticed that my apache web server performance has become a dog. I have seen the same version of apache scream under similar server load. are there any configuration options that i can change that will help the performace of apache (compile time, configuration files, etc, etc). I have noticed lately that when people hit our pages, the page does not load as fast (connections opened longer for the file to load), etc. I dropped the new apache in and it screamed until i recompiled it and changed some configuration options. I have been playing fo ra while, but cannot figure out why our webserver slowed back down. Any help would be appreciated. Dev Chanchani From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 14:07:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27221 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27215 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00218; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:07:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:07:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Global Internet Shopping Mall cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP Server? In-Reply-To: <199608211028.FAA29752@isot.isot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >You can create a /etc/ppp/options.ttyXX file for every tty you have PPP > >connections coming in from and set a different address for each tty. > > So something like /etc/ppp/options.ttyc0 below? > crtscts # Hardware flow control > netmask 255.255.255.0 # netmask ( not required ) > 206.24.68.15:206.24.68.100 # ip's of local and remote hosts > domain ppp.multibyte.com # my domain > passive # wait for LCP > modem # modem line > > Would this assign (.100) to the port ttyc0? On the domain part the host > name should be ppp? If so, do I need to create canical name of ppp in the DNS? Yes. What I do is I have a all of the options in /etc/ppp/options and only put the local:remote IP addresses in the options.ttyXX file. > Do I also create /etc/ppp/pppserv.ttyc0, /etc/ppp/pppservdown.ttyc0, > /etc/ppp/kermit.ans.ttyc0, and /etc/ppp/kermit.noans.ttyc0 scripts as shown > in doc? One for each ttyc? Or just one file each and specify all the ttycX > and pppX in each file? I have no idea what those files are for. I've never needed them. Take a look at http://www.ssimicro.com/~jeremyc/ppp.html. I found it very useful when setting up. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 21:09:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA09372 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mackay01.cqit.qld.edu.au (robert@cqit.qld.edu.au [203.22.80.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09346 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from robert@localhost) by mackay01.cqit.qld.edu.au (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA14749 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:02:00 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Chalmers Message-Id: <199608220402.OAA14749@mackay01.cqit.qld.edu.au> Subject: 2.2 snapshot stuffed To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:01:59 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk iHi, trying to install FreeBSD from the SNAPSHOT 2.2 Cd, and even when it tries to access ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ it errors out. Looks like the install disk is RS??? what's the secret folks. bc -- Mackay TAFE Sheng Huo Jiu Shi Dou Zheng robert@cqit.qld.edu.au for Whirled Peas From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 22:23:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA14548 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from afrodita.adam.es (root@[194.133.59.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14532 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pppB2.adam.es (pppB2.adam.es [194.133.59.82]) by afrodita.adam.es (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA12751 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:23:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199608220623.HAA12751@afrodita.adam.es> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Domingo Siliceo" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:30:57 +0200 Subject: Recommendations, please. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been playing with FreeBSD for three or four months and having a lot of fun. Now I'm thinking about to become a (little) ISP. I have a 486 DX/4 100 with 32Mb, 1Gb hard disk and one modem (planning to increase this number to three or four). Nothing more. What do you think I need (experience aside 8-)? Of course, my plan is to use FreeBSD 2.1.0 as the basis. Thanks beforehand for your time. ./Domingo Siliceo From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 21 22:54:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA18712 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pino.ngonet.be (pino.ngonet.be [193.190.166.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18701 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gonzo.ngonet.be (tommie.ngonet.be [193.190.166.2]) by pino.ngonet.be (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA02872; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:49:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960822055159.00733df4@ppp-gw> X-Sender: gul@ppp-gw X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:51:59 +0200 To: Paul Andersen From: Gunter Loos Subject: Re: DNS Just stops for PPP Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 16:18 20/08/96 -0400, Paul Andersen wrote: >We have the strangest thing happening here (or so I think)... > > Some of our PPP customers have had their DNS not work sometimes. >It happens to all customers at the same time and the customers PPP in >through a livingston box. The strange part of it is that the DNS server >(the FreeBSD 2.1 box) seems to be working to the machine. I can do an >Nslookup from the machine itself and it seems to be getting answers from >our servers. We normally have to HUP the named process a few times and >that clears it up. Any ideas? > > Been there too, as a matter of fact: still am there. Especially with Macs I seem to have this problem a lot lately. I'd like to be included for any answers, please. Gunter . .__ . |Nationaal Centrum voor OntwikkelingsSamenwerking vzw, NgoNet _| _ [ __ | |Voice Gunter.Loos@+32 2 5392620 Fax +32 2 5391343 (_](/, [_./(_|| |mailto:gul@ngonet.be "You are all weirdos." - Sam the Eagle ----MijnEigenWoordenNietVanIemandAnders - MyOwnExpressionsNotSomeoneElses---- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 00:26:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA23580 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA23562 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA25910; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:31:30 GMT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:31:30 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199608221531.PAA25910@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: How to handle the file locates in another host? Cc: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am planning to show out my users' usage time on my www server. But the log file locates in my mail server host. Is possible for me to handle that file right in my www server? How can I do that? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 00:45:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24739 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.marben.be (gatekeeper.marben.be [194.78.27.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24698 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gatekeeper.marben.be (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09850; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:02:29 +0200 Received: from tarifa.marben.be(172.20.0.254) by gatekeeper.marben.be via smap (V1.3) id sma009848; Thu Aug 22 10:02:02 1996 Received: from tarifa.marben.be by tarifa via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id JAA10504; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:34:29 +0200 Message-ID: <321C0D85.59E2@marben.be> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:34:29 +0200 From: Jean-Pierre Morant Organization: Marben SA-NV X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Domingo Siliceo CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommendations, please. References: <199608220623.HAA12751@afrodita.adam.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Use 2.1.5R : you'll get Linux binary compatibility, and won't have problems with packages/ports. -- Jean-Pierre Morant c/o MARBEN S.A./N.V. La vie serait tellement Boulevard du Souverain,400, Vorstlaan plus facile 1160 Bruxelles Si seulement Belgium nous avions les sources.... + 32 2 663 1130 (phone) + 32 2 663 1199 (fax) http://www.marben.be jpm@marben.be From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 00:45:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24758 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24748 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.gds.de (pluto.gds.de [194.77.222.13]) by gds.de (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05155 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:41:36 GMT Message-Id: <199608220941.JAA05155@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Gresek" Organization: GDS To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:46:20 +0000 Subject: ip-traffic accounting Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, i'm running several virual www-servers on FreeBSD-2.1.5 and Apache. Each of them has its own IP-address (ifconfig ep0 inet .... alias). Now I am looking for a software that would log the traffic to each IP on this host so that I can build a table that shows the data amount per week and per month for the specified IP-address. To limit our risk with a heavy loaded server, I'd like to limit the bandwith to its IP-address (e.g. 64kbps). Is it possible? How? Thanks in advance Richard +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ : GRESEK DATA SYSTEMS : Hauptstrasse 2 : 56271 Kleinmaischeid : Tel.: +49 2689 959120 http://www.gds.de : Fax : +49 2689 959122 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 01:46:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA28035 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA28030 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA11158; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:46:21 +1000 Received: from orion.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id SAA18992; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:47:51 +1000 Received: from localhost by orion.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-0.3) id SAA15483; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:49:45 +1000 Message-Id: <199608220849.SAA15483@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: pete@pelican.altadena.net (Pete Carah) cc: isp@freebsd.org, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: INN Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:49:45 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In an otherwise informative and interesting article, pete@pelican.altadena.net (Pete Carah) wrote: >My *home* innd (unoff3 right now; to be upgraded) is: >news 195 9.0 11.0 9960 3388 ?? DNs 10Aug96 355:28.50 /usr/lib/news >bin/innd/innd -p4 -r -i0 >or 39 megs virt 15 real. >From the FreeBSD 2.1.5 ps(1) man page: rss the real memory (resident set) size of the process (in 1024 byte units). vsz virtual size in Kbytes (alias vsize) So there's no need for any multiplication by 4Kb on FreeBSD. Picky, I know, but some people seem to be sweating about the actual size of innd. Maybe I should have just sold them some RAM? :-) Stephen. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 01:57:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA28503 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA28498 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA16908 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:56:29 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA11954; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:54:40 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608220854.BAA11954@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Recommendations, please. To: dsiliceo@adam.es (Domingo Siliceo) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608220623.HAA12751@afrodita.adam.es> from Domingo Siliceo at "Aug 22, 96 07:30:57 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi all, > I've been playing with FreeBSD for three or four months and having a lot > of fun. > > Now I'm thinking about to become a (little) ISP. I have a 486 DX/4 100 > with 32Mb, 1Gb hard disk and one modem (planning to increase this number > to three or four). Nothing more. I am part of a co-op group that uses a 486DX2/66 with 16MB, 203MB hard disk and a multiport serial card to route between 10 dial up slip lines and a 56K FRAD. It works like a champ and has been for several years. It is a minimal service, providing nothing more than routing of packets and DNS services for the sixteen class C addresses in our CIDR block. It runs gated as a routing protocol, and you should probably become familiar with that as well. > > What do you think I need (experience aside 8-)? Of course, my plan is to > use FreeBSD 2.1.0 as the basis. Get yourself upgraded to FreeBSD 2.1.5, then find out how to use CTM and get yourself updated to the changes in the -stable branch that have occured since 2.1.5. FreeBSD 2.1.0 will work for you, but you'll be in a lot better shape if you run the latest release. > Thanks beforehand for your time. Ohhh... and don't skimp on modems, cheap modems mean dropped carrier, and that means aggrivated clients. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 05:24:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA10184 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mp.aha.ru (mp.aha.ru [194.135.22.36]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10178 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mp.aha.ru id QAA19176; (8.6.11/vak/1.8e) Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:20:40 +0400 From: bvt@mp.aha.ru (Boris Tyshkiewitch) Message-Id: <199608221220.QAA19176@mp.aha.ru> Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem To: ulf@Lamb.net (Ulf Zimmermann) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:20:39 +0400 (MSD) Cc: ian@gamespot.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608202247.PAA23305@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> from "Ulf Zimmermann" at Aug 20, 96 03:47:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > As you see I have 1 CGI, 1 external program and 1 ECHO. If I know access > > > this via http://server/ulf/index.html, the server executes the ECHO and > > > don't allow the CGI and external program. It gives a message like > > > "An error occured while executing this directive" > > > > > > But now, if I access this page via http://server/~ulf/index.html it executes > > > everything regardless of "Option IncludeNOEXEC". Has anyone seens this too? > > > > I don't run user home pages but I'll venture a guess: > > > > You are setting NOEXEC for /usr/local/www/data but is your home > > directory under that directory tree? ~ulf/public_html is probably not > > covered by this diretive. btw, some days ago I patch mod_userdir.c for setuid to specified user. Restore uid to root I done in logger handler. 5 line of code. Works fine. Boris. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 07:13:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA17369 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17362 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA24576; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:11:14 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608221411.JAA24576@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: ip-traffic accounting To: rg@plusnet.de (Richard Gresek) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:11:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, dennis@etinc.com In-Reply-To: <199608220941.JAA05155@gds.de> from "Richard Gresek" at Aug 22, 96 09:46:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hallo, > > i'm running several virual www-servers on FreeBSD-2.1.5 and Apache. > Each of them has its own IP-address (ifconfig ep0 inet .... alias). > > Now I am looking for a software that would log the traffic to each IP > on this host so that I can build a table that shows the data > amount per week and per month for the specified IP-address. Look at ipfw or ipfilter. > To limit our risk with a heavy loaded server, I'd like to limit the > bandwith to its IP-address (e.g. 64kbps). Is it possible? How? Talk to Dennis at Emerging Technologies about his bandwidth limiter. I believe. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 07:38:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA19028 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.transport.com (root@[204.119.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18986 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:38:01 -0700 (PDT) From: pete@webnw.com Received: from connect.transport.com (pdx40.transport.com [204.119.17.40]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA05911 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:37:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:37:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199608221437.HAA05911@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: connect@mail.transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS Just stops for PPP Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have been dealing with a similar situation for months without resolution. It also hits randomly on our BSD/Apache virtual servers (2). On the virts it will only effect Domains associated with IPs different from the host IP address. We are using Livingston Portmasters and Cisco routers. RIP protocols with routed on the BSD boxes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >At 16:18 20/08/96 -0400, Paul Andersen wrote: >>We have the strangest thing happening here (or so I think)... >> >> Some of our PPP customers have had their DNS not work sometimes. >>It happens to all customers at the same time and the customers PPP in >>through a livingston box. The strange part of it is that the DNS server >>(the FreeBSD 2.1 box) seems to be working to the machine. I can do an >>Nslookup from the machine itself and it seems to be getting answers from >>our servers. We normally have to HUP the named process a few times and >>that clears it up. Any ideas? >> >> >Been there too, as a matter of fact: still am there. Especially with >Macs I seem to have this problem a lot lately. >I'd like to be included for any answers, please. > >Gunter > . .__ . |Nationaal Centrum voor OntwikkelingsSamenwerking vzw, NgoNet > _| _ [ __ | |Voice Gunter.Loos@+32 2 5392620 Fax +32 2 5391343 >(_](/, [_./(_|| |mailto:gul@ngonet.be "You are all weirdos." - Sam the Eagle >----MijnEigenWoordenNietVanIemandAnders - MyOwnExpressionsNotSomeoneElses---- > > ****************************************************** Strength is Gentle, Wisdom Quiet, Passion Overwhelming Net Connection/Pete Chiboucas www.webnw.com 8888 SW Cashmur Ln pete@webnw.com Portland Or 97225 503 203 1671 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 07:43:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA19194 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19188 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id KAA16225; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25033; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608221443.KAA25033@server.id.net> Subject: Re: ip-traffic accounting To: rg@plusnet.de (Richard Gresek) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608220941.JAA05155@gds.de> from Richard Gresek at "Aug 22, 96 09:46:20 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i'm running several virual www-servers on FreeBSD-2.1.5 and Apache. > Each of them has its own IP-address (ifconfig ep0 inet .... alias). > > Now I am looking for a software that would log the traffic to each IP > on this host so that I can build a table that shows the data > amount per week and per month for the specified IP-address. > > To limit our risk with a heavy loaded server, I'd like to limit the > bandwith to its IP-address (e.g. 64kbps). Is it possible? How? It's possible to limit it in software, UU-Net does exactly this on their Pentium Pro 200 web servers running BSDI. -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 07:43:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA19266 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19249 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id KAA16231; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:44:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25053; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608221444.KAA25053@server.id.net> Subject: Re: 2.2 snapshot stuffed To: robert@mackay01.cqit.qld.edu.au (Robert Chalmers) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199608220402.OAA14749@mackay01.cqit.qld.edu.au> from Robert Chalmers at "Aug 22, 96 02:01:59 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > trying to install FreeBSD from the SNAPSHOT 2.2 Cd, and even when > it tries to access ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ it errors > out. Looks like the install disk is RS??? How did you get a snapshot CD? ;) -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 07:59:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA20056 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20049 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mailman@localhost) by adsight.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA07474; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:55:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Virtual WWW Customers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For those of you who are hosting large numbers of virtual WWW customes (100+), what seems to be the best route for spending your advertising dollars? Anybody using Yellow Pages, Direct mail, Usenet groups? I'm just selling web pages, no dialups, so it's a business to business venture. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sam Magee http://www.adsight.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 09:10:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA24474 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tchnet.tchnet.com (tchnet.tchnet.com [198.109.196.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24468 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnet@localhost) by tchnet.tchnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15488; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:10:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:10:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "R. A. Nethercott" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: silo overflows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a question for you guys... I am getting silo overflows on my system and I am not sure what they are, if they are good or bad, what they can do to my system. Generally, I get 1 or 2 at a time but I have seen them get as high as 200. Is this something I should be worried about? If so, how do I go about fixing this problem? R A Nethercott System Administrator Technet, Inc. rnet@tchnet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 13:01:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11993 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11745 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA13577; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:12:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA15934; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:56:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Craig Shrimpton cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960822194013.0082c27c@solar> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Craig Shrimpton wrote: > Is anyone using the disk concatenator for FreeBSD on a news spool? It looks > like it can dramatically increase performance but seems a little "hairy" to > setup. I'd like to know this too because I'm going through an exercise right now helping a provider build a more stable and effective fullfeed news server than what they have. The cost of RAID is a bit steep for this provider and as a result we've been leaning towards Linux with md. There are a few things about FreeBSD that I don't understand well enough right now. One of them is software RAID striping and it sounds like ccd does this? Another one is whether FreeBSD supports MMAP. And then there is the whole NNRPD shared active thingy. There have already been a couple of messages that make me think FreeBSD might be the better choice of OS here. Since running an effective fullfeed USENET news server is getting harder and harder these days I'm sure that there are others who would welcome hearing about how it is done. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 14:21:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18744 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18734 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20279 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:16:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:16:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199608221716.MAA20279@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: Cyclom & rc.serial Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Two questions: In /etc/ttys, is this line correct? ttyc0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200 dialup on ... In /etc/rc.serial, am I supposed to add lines like for i in $* do stty ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.epsilon.nl (skipper.epsilon.nl [194.178.91.12]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA17354 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jouke (async16.epsilon.nl [194.178.91.66]) by skipper.epsilon.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA10201; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:46:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199608222146.XAA10201@skipper.epsilon.nl> From: "Jouke Dijkstra" To: "Derek Boonstra" Cc: Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:48:24 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Oohh! Wierd Apache problem. Maybe there is something undermining the > process on port 80... is anything setup for 80 in /etc/inetd.conf ?? > Maybe a httpd with a different conf file. > > - ( I really don't know ) > You're never going to beleive this one.... Once I changed the contents of the web pages, everything worked fine! Somehow Microsoft IE 3.0 mixed up. Pressing 'Refresh' did show the \ wrong page, however, changing the contents of the 'index.html' file, and pressing refresh solved the problem.. What am I going to do about that? Complain to MicroSoft? ;-) BTW, IE 3.0 actually IS pretty neat.. Hope the Unix versions will come soon.. - Jouke From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 14:53:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20900 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20865 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id QAA25222; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:50:50 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608222150.QAA25222@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:50:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: craigs@OS.COM, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Aug 22, 96 12:56:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Craig Shrimpton wrote: > > > Is anyone using the disk concatenator for FreeBSD on a news spool? It looks > > like it can dramatically increase performance but seems a little "hairy" to > > setup. > > I'd like to know this too because I'm going through an exercise right now > helping a provider build a more stable and effective fullfeed news server > than what they have. The cost of RAID is a bit steep for this provider and > as a result we've been leaning towards Linux with md. You don't want RAID that mirrors or does parity, you just want striped disks for a news operation, and ccd does it just fine. Avoid Linux unless you are prepared to play the Incompatibility Game and Kernel-Of-The-Day Game. I've been running news on every release of FreeBSD since 2.0R and haven't run into any catastrophic problems that prevent operation. Your only other _good_ choice for news, if you don't do BSD, is Solaris on a SPARC, and that has its own deficiencies. > There are a few things about FreeBSD that I don't understand well enough > right now. One of them is software RAID striping and it sounds like ccd > does this? Disk striping, yes. See: metropolis# df -k Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 140862 16094 113500 12% / /dev/sd0s1e 302222 155148 122898 56% /usr /dev/sd0s1f 271886 150922 99214 60% /usr/src /dev/sd10s1e 704559 339752 308443 52% /var /dev/ccd0e 1500399 246615 1133753 18% /usr/local /dev/ccd1e 1971087 162356 1651045 9% /news /dev/ccd2e 1971087 689629 1123772 38% /news/.0 /dev/ccd3e 1971087 291799 1521602 16% /news/.1 /dev/ccd4e 1971087 262458 1550943 14% /news/.2 /dev/ccd5e 1971087 115531 1697870 6% /news/.3 /dev/ccd6e 8075148 2672880 4756257 36% /news/.4 /dev/sd20s1e 1001951 680219 241576 74% /news/.5 procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc amd:493 0 0 0 100% /home /dev/ccd0h 501359 1 461250 0% /export/home/u0 It works, it's great, it's fast, I've seen this system process 11 new articles/second after a downtime, while feeding half a dozen other systems and a slave reader. You will notice the disks are mostly empty. What I really wanted was disks that were just a few hundred megs each, I am not going for a long expire period on a machine that is exclusively a feeder, but there were no fast drives <<< 1GB out on the market anymore, and the 1G drives were _cheap_. > Another one is whether FreeBSD supports MMAP. For active? Yes, but some say not reliably. I see no real difference whether or not I am using it, these days, so I leave it off. > And then there is the whole NNRPD shared active thingy. Works fine. If you have a mongo active file, don't forget to adjust the constants in the patch accordingly. > There have already been a couple of messages that make me think FreeBSD > might be the better choice of OS here. Since running an effective fullfeed > USENET news server is getting harder and harder these days I'm sure that > there are others who would welcome hearing about how it is done. Build it for speed and as close to zero latency as possible. Use more disks instead of less. Stripe lots of FAST 1GB disks - like the new Hawk 31055's - instead of going with larger drives. 2 9ms 1G disks are ALWAYS faster than 1 8ms 2G disk, and the price is similar! Go with more SCSI busses. NCR controllers are $60 apiece. Get three, and a 10/100 PCI Ethernet controller, and you're still only putting out about $350 for your I/O controllers. Use a large stripe size. I use 1 cylinder group. You are not striping for bandwidth. You are striping for CONCURRENCY. You _want_ one mechanism to be able to handle an _entire_ file access on its own. You can see that the machine above was just built for speed. All disks are striped across controllers, they are FAST Hawk drives, etc. etc. Don't compromise on RAM. Stuff it. My feeds box has 128MB RAM. The readers have 256MB (we had some fun with that though). And it was relatively cheap to build, compared to your average Sun system. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 16:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA27936 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palin.cc.monash.edu.au (palin.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.2.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27926 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (peter@localhost) by palin.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.6.4) id JAA23536; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:11:23 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:11:23 +1000 From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199608222311.JAA23536@palin.cc.monash.edu.au> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, rg@plusnet.de Subject: Re: ip-traffic accounting Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Now I am looking for a software that would log the traffic to each IP I do this with ipfw (man ipfw) From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 17:03:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA05743 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (root@shell.aros.net [205.164.111.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05731 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by shell.aros.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04546; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:00:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199608230000.SAA04546@shell.aros.net> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Cc: craigs@OS.COM, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Michael Dillon at "Aug 22, 96 12:56:28 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lo and behold, Michael Dillon once said: > On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Craig Shrimpton wrote: > > > Is anyone using the disk concatenator for FreeBSD on a news spool? It looks > > like it can dramatically increase performance but seems a little "hairy" to > > setup. We're using the ccd for striping news right now and it's really quite fun. Our server is a P133 with two adaptec 2940UW's, and a few 4gb drives (soon to be replaced with 2gb drives). > There are a few things about FreeBSD that I don't understand well enough > right now. One of them is software RAID striping and it sounds like ccd > does this? Another one is whether FreeBSD supports MMAP. Yes, and yes. > And then there is the whole NNRPD shared active thingy. DEFINITELY yes. The sharedactive patch is a huge blessing for your RAM consumption. It freed up almost 25 megs on our server when we installed it. > There have already been a couple of messages that make me think FreeBSD > might be the better choice of OS here. Since running an effective fullfeed > USENET news server is getting harder and harder these days I'm sure that > there are others who would welcome hearing about how it is done. We're very pleased with it. We made a few mistakes with it (using slightly lower quality drives than we should have and using 4gb drives instead of 2gb drives) that we're correcting now, and the performance keeps going up as we do. Using ccd was a good performance boost as well; probably not as much as an external RAID array, but it also didn't cost us an arm and a leg. Joe Greco would be a good person to ask about a FreeBSD news server - he runs a fairly large one and has been very successful doing so under FreeBSD. -Dave Andersen -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 17:04:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06003 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05194 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id TAA20744; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA02483; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608222354.TAA02483@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: craigs@OS.COM, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Michael Dillon at "Aug 22, 96 12:56:28 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is anyone using the disk concatenator for FreeBSD on a news spool? It looks > > like it can dramatically increase performance but seems a little "hairy" to > > setup. > > I'd like to know this too because I'm going through an exercise right now > helping a provider build a more stable and effective fullfeed news server > than what they have. The cost of RAID is a bit steep for this provider and > as a result we've been leaning towards Linux with md. > > There are a few things about FreeBSD that I don't understand well enough > right now. One of them is software RAID striping and it sounds like ccd > does this? Another one is whether FreeBSD supports MMAP. > > And then there is the whole NNRPD shared active thingy. > > There have already been a couple of messages that make me think FreeBSD > might be the better choice of OS here. Since running an effective fullfeed > USENET news server is getting harder and harder these days I'm sure that > there are others who would welcome hearing about how it is done. We run a "fullfeed" news server via multiple T's to the backbone, and seven (count 'em) fully redundant news feeds on a FreeBSD box. This box is running FreeBSD 2.2-960612-SNAP. We are successfully using ccd to strip acrossed several 4.3GB drives, and the performance increase is incredible! We have recently starting hitting an article per second rate of >30! We have not been able to get NNRPD's "shared active thingy" to work successfully, however, but FreeBSD does support MMAP (if your careful), and the networking code in FreeBSD seems to be much more robust than the code in Linux. -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 17:07:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06230 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (root@shell.aros.net [205.164.111.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06219 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by shell.aros.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04759; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:07:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199608230007.SAA04759@shell.aros.net> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Cc: michael@memra.com, craigs@OS.COM In-Reply-To: <199608222150.QAA25222@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "Aug 22, 96 04:50:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lo and behold, Joe Greco once said: > > And then there is the whole NNRPD shared active thingy. > > Works fine. If you have a mongo active file, don't forget to adjust > the constants in the patch accordingly. You may also need to tweak your kernel SVSHM options to allow enough memory for the patch to load. In your kernel config file, put something like: options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options "SHMMAXPGS=1024" # (Or whatever works for you) -Dave Andersen -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 17:57:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13023 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss.void.net (root@void.net [207.30.81.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13015 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.void.net (win.void.net [207.30.81.253]) by abyss.void.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00342; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960823010025.0069e5a8@207.30.81.100> X-Sender: dan@207.30.81.100 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:00:25 -0400 To: "Jouke Dijkstra" , "Derek Boonstra" From: Dan Benjamin Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem Cc: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >BTW, IE 3.0 actually IS pretty neat.. Hope the Unix versions will come >soon.. There will not be one. Microsoft does this so we will have to keep Windoze on at least *one* partition somehwere ... ;-) ==================================================== Dan Benjamin dan@void.net The Void / Init http://www.void.net/ George Orwell was an optimist. ==================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 18:29:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16349 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solar.os.com (root@solar.os.com [199.232.136.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16338 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from craigs@localhost) by solar.os.com (8.7/8.7.0) id UAA13202; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:57:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:57:55 -0400 From: Craig Shrimpton Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: Joe Greco cc: Michael Dillon , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608222150.QAA25222@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > /dev/ccd0e 1500399 246615 1133753 18% /usr/local > /dev/ccd1e 1971087 162356 1651045 9% /news > /dev/ccd2e 1971087 689629 1123772 38% /news/.0 > /dev/ccd3e 1971087 291799 1521602 16% /news/.1 > /dev/ccd4e 1971087 262458 1550943 14% /news/.2 > /dev/ccd5e 1971087 115531 1697870 6% /news/.3 > /dev/ccd6e 8075148 2672880 4756257 36% /news/.4 > How many individual disks does each one of these represent? Could you post your ccdconfig file? Thanks, Craig +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Craig Shrimpton | e-mail: craigs@os.com | | Orbit Systems | information: info@os.com | | Worcester, MA 508.753.8776 | http://www.os.com/ | +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Strategic Systems From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 19:01:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA19742 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA19732 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA15871; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:19:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17501; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:03:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org cc: craigs@OS.COM Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608222150.QAA25222@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > Use a large stripe size. I use 1 cylinder group. You are not striping for > bandwidth. You are striping for CONCURRENCY. You _want_ one mechanism to > be able to handle an _entire_ file access on its own. By concurrency do you mean that the write requests are non-blocking and thus a request that lands on a second drive can start writing before a previous request completes? And did you need to fo that tweak to UFS meta data updates that makes it more like Linux's ext2fs? Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 19:15:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20511 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20489 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14906; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:13:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608222150.QAA25222@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > Avoid Linux unless you are prepared to play the Incompatibility Game and > Kernel-Of-The-Day Game. I wouldn't generalize that much. Check out 'hunter.premier.net' in the Freenix1000. Linux box with a DPT SmartRAID controller. And its only on a single T1 (so was howland.reston) Linux can kick a fair amount of ass as a newsserver. I'm hoping to get the chance to push a FreeBSD box to the same level though. We're running our spool on the CCD right now, but the DPT SmartRAID stuff would be killer. Since I don't directly admin news, the admin that does will probably end up building a Linux box so that the DPT support will be there. Unless FreeBSD drivers suddenly appear... The uncertainty about the MMAP stuff for INN bothers me a bit too... Oh, CCD clue. Stripe size of 2048 is um... st00pid. We were, um... er... testing! thats it. *grin* Have a good one. (BTW, anyone looking to exchange feeds? < 150ms to news.intersurf.net prefered. Innfeed sites a plus.) | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 20:00:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23133 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23118 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA12036; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:58:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Dan Benjamin cc: "Jouke Dijkstra" , "Derek Boonstra" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:00:25 EDT." <1.5.4.32.19960823010025.0069e5a8@207.30.81.100> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: <12033.840769106@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dan Benjamin wrote in message ID <1.5.4.32.19960823010025.0069e5a8@207.30.81.100>: > >BTW, IE 3.0 actually IS pretty neat.. Hope the Unix versions will come > >soon.. > > There will not be one. Microsoft does this so we will have to keep Windoze > on at least *one* partition somehwere ... > > ;-) Apparently from an acquientance who is a MS developer, they are, and will be out within 30 days. Of course, we'll have to wait and see exactly WHICH UN*X's they ``support''. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 20:19:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23762 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23757 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA18862 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:31:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA19660 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:15:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Does FreeBSD hash PCB's like BSDI ??? Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In the context of running a heavily loaded mail server Paul Vixie mentions below that BSDI can handle this better than older UNIXes due to hashed PCB's. Note that this is very applicable to sites that want to run lots of large mailing lists which is something I am working on setting up. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:06:12 -0700 From: Paul A Vixie To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: *** MAKE SPAM@INTERRAMP.COM DIE FAST!!! *** (fwd) I think that this is losing its appropriateness here on NANOG, and that we ought to take it elsewhere (spam-request@zorch.sf-bay.org is where we took it last time). Some points are technical enough to need a reply here, though: > Our mail server regularly gets stuck with a full listen queue due to > occasional cases of one-way routing out on the net,... deliberately > introducing this would kill it. Consider, for instance, that the spammer > is probably sending mail to dozens of accounts on your system, and each > attempt will generate multiple SYN's, and each one of those wastes a slot > for several minutes. Even if you've cranked it up from the default of 5, > you'll be hosed for hours. Most vendors now ship kernels capable of hashing PCBs and having listen queues thousands of entries long. Sun, SGI, DEC, and BSDi all have it. Though the original demand was due to WWW traffic, it now has an applic- ation in SMTP due to DJB's "qmail", which opens multiple streams to the same host if a message has multiple recipients on that host. (DJB says this results in better aggregate mail throughput, and I will not dispute him (not here, that is.)) If a spammer is using a "qmail"-like mailer, both you and he are going to be short of slots for a while, whenever your host's recipients sort to the top of his delivery list. On the other hand a spammer only has a handful of machines and usually only a 56K or T1 to spam from -- this means he can't be trying to open _too_ many simultaneous connections or he'll thrash his line and/or machines into dust, making too little overall progress to make the, um, "endeavour", um, "worthwhile." Now we're into a less technical area -- United States law: > Of course, I suspect that any evidence that multiple providers were filtering > mail based on some agreed-upon list would land all of them in court, though > I'm not a lawyer. Neither am I. But the evidence showing that a given provider is or is not following the advice of a central netblock blacklist is VERY hard to get at and prove conclusively. And the central blacklist editor is not responsible for what other (undetectable) people do with the information made available. Once I can find a way to keep ISC and CIX out of it, I will _welcome_ a chance to do this up in court and find out what the law has to say about it. Finally, we're into idle speculation -- hit 'd' now. > Imagine, for a minute, that some spammer discovers that one of YOUR unix > boxes can be used to forward mail for them, some weekend when you're out > of town,... and your IP address gets blacklisted. How soon would you call > your lawyer to help you recover from what could be a total loss of business? Well, there are two issues there. First, Eric knows that Sendmail needs to be plugged. 8.8, now in final alpha testing, has all kinds of hooks to prevent a host from being used as a relay. Given that the last couple of Moneyworld spams were bounced (at me, anyway) through a host in Thailand, and that no responsible blacklist operator (counting myself, anyway) will be willing to blacklist an innocent relay, I see the next year or so as our battleground for turning off the generic SMTP relay service now available on most Internet SMTP servers. Fortunately, folks will see a good use for this feature (saving their line and host resources) even if they don't dislike spam as much as I do. So convincing folks to upgrade ought to be simple. No part of this battle can be won overnight. Right now I'm trying to educate ISP's that they can't turn a blind eye to spam unless they want the rest of us throwing inside fastballs at their heads. They will in turn educate their customers. Blacklisting netblocks is just an educational tool, not a direct means toward stopping the spammers. This is why filters that block only SMTP aren't good enough. I looked, again, at the Advertising Blacklist whose URL was posted here earlier, and no mention is made of blocking netblocks. Once I get past my own internal legal hurdles, I'll try to have a link added on that page that lets folks know about the netblock blacklist. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 20:26:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24030 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24023 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA18957; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:39:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA19717; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:23:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: craigs@OS.COM Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608230000.SAA04546@shell.aros.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Dave Andersen wrote: > We're using the ccd for striping news right now and it's really quite > fun. Our server is a P133 with two adaptec 2940UW's, and a few 4gb > drives (soon to be replaced with 2gb drives). In the specific case I am looking at the provider already has Buslogic PCI cards (958's I think) due to the better support for them on Linux. Would these Buslogic cards be a problem on FreeBSD? Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 20:26:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24067 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24054 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA20697; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:23:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199608230323.XAA20697@rk.ios.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: angio@aros.net (Dave Andersen) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: michael@memra.com, craigs@OS.COM, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608230000.SAA04546@shell.aros.net> from "Dave Andersen" at Aug 22, 96 06:00:43 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > There are a few things about FreeBSD that I don't understand well enough > > right now. One of them is software RAID striping and it sounds like ccd > > does this? Another one is whether FreeBSD supports MMAP. > Yes, and yes. > > We're very pleased with it. We made a few mistakes with it (using > slightly lower quality drives than we should have and using 4gb drives > instead of 2gb drives) that we're correcting now, and the performance > keeps going up as we do. Using ccd was a good performance boost as well; > probably not as much as an external RAID array, but it also didn't cost > us an arm and a leg. I run CCD on 3 AHA 2940Ws and 6HDs and get about 18Mb/sec raw thruput with my PPro-200. Talking about external RAID - it's less mess to configure, but I'm not sure if single SCSI channel connecting your server to RAID will give you decent thruput. I'm not sure exactly how good my ASUS PPro MB is - I had to send it back to ASUS to get rid of the infamous ORION chipset limitation, but it looks pretty fast. 2.2-SNAP-06* is ROCK solid. All my troubles seem so far away now :) - it's up for 2 mos with about 8 incoming and ~6 outgoinh feeds and 200+ readers average ( yeah yeah I know ... will setup separate readers machines soon :) Rashid. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 21:22:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA26547 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA26541 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA29783 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:21:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA09955; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608230418.VAA09955@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Dillon Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD hash PCB's like BSDI ??? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:15:54 PDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:18:36 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In the context of running a heavily loaded mail server Paul Vixie mentions >below that BSDI can handle this better than older UNIXes due to hashed >PCB's. Note that this is very applicable to sites that want to run lots of >large mailing lists which is something I am working on setting up. FreeBSD is was the first "BSD" to have PCB hashing. I implemented it nearly a year and a half ago: revision 1.9 date: 1995/04/09 01:29:18; author: davidg; state: Exp; lines: +105 -32 Implemented PCB hashing. Includes new functions in_pcbinshash, in_pcbrehash, and in_pcblookuphash. There is a very good chance that BSDI's implementation is based on my work, but I haven't seen the code so this is just a guess. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 22:40:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA29398 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.netpath.net (server1.netpath.net [205.139.153.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29392 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.netpath.net (server1.netpath.net [205.139.153.2]) by server1.netpath.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA07763; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:39:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Geoffrey Deasey X-Sender: deasey@server1.netpath.net To: Dan Benjamin cc: Jouke Dijkstra , Derek Boonstra , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird Apache problem In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960823010025.0069e5a8@207.30.81.100> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Microsoft has announce that their WILL be one, of course no time table was even hinted at :( > >BTW, IE 3.0 actually IS pretty neat.. Hope the Unix versions will come > >soon.. > > There will not be one. Microsoft does this so we will have to keep Windoze > on at least *one* partition somehwere ... Geoffrey Deasey / / /\ / / / \/ Netpath/Stratonet /__ / / \/ /__/ /\ 910-226-0425 Forever ! From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 22 23:44:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01555 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (jw@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01548 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jw@localhost) by mojo.calyx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08327 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 02:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 02:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Williams To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: suid login Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm having annoying problems with users who connect, then run login to hide their source host. My problem isn't so much the (attempted) hiding, but the fact that after a lot of this activity my w display gets full of broken fixed entries from people long logged off. If I remove the setuid bit from login can I expect any ill behavior from it other then the fact that users can no longer re-login without reconnecting? I have noticed that setuid screen when called with -ln causes similar problems. What is going on and is there a way I can support those programs without getting bogus login entries? Thanks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John L. Williams - Chief Network Engineer, Riot Graphics Corp. System Administrator, Calyx Internet Access jw@riot.net - jw@calyx.net - jw@pirahna.net - jw@netpimp.com - jw@cartel.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 01:38:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA05940 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net (gandalf.asiapac.net [202.188.0.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05935 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tnc176.asiapac.net (tnc176.asiapac.net [202.188.1.76]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA23247 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:21:42 +0800 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:21:42 +0800 Message-Id: <199608230821.QAA23247@gandalf.asiapac.net> X-Sender: sckhoo@mail.asiapac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Swee-Chuan Khoo Subject: mail storage Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi, I got an request from customer asking whether we provide the following services. They want their intranet connect to my server couple of times a day to receive and sending mail thro my connection to internet. They will use my server space to store incoming mail and use the smtp to send mail. BTW< multiple account in their LAN. This sounds like uucp, right? Any other solution, do like to get uucp install if i can avoid it. They are running M$ Exchange Server. What should i install in my server site, preferably a FreeBSD machine. Thanx. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Khoo Swee Chuan ( The Network Connections ) - system administrator | | http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ sckhoo@asiapac.net | | tel:603-7337757 fax:603-7345577 #include | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Live long and prosper" - "Be well and Happy" From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 07:35:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA27473 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com ([206.26.1.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27451 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com (daemon@localhost) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA17593 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:36:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fa.tdktca.com (bsd.fa.tdktca.com [163.49.131.129]) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA17587 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:36:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from alex@localhost) by fa.tdktca.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA06105; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:46:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:46:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Nash To: Global Internet Shopping Mall cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyclom & rc.serial In-Reply-To: <199608221716.MAA20279@isot.isot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Global Internet Shopping Mall wrote: > Two questions: > In /etc/ttys, is this line correct? > ttyc0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200 dialup on Add a quote after 115200. > In /etc/rc.serial, am I supposed to add lines like > for i in $* > do > stty stty done You probably want to configure the lock (/dev/ttylc*) and init (/dev/ttyi*) devices instead. Alex From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 09:26:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06836 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (root@mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06828 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29429; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608231626.JAA29429@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, craigs@os.com Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 22 Aug 96 20:23:18 -0700. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:26:14 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Dave Andersen wrote: >> We're using the ccd for striping news right now and it's really quite >> fun. Our server is a P133 with two adaptec 2940UW's, and a few 4gb >> drives (soon to be replaced with 2gb drives). >In the specific case I am looking at the provider already has Buslogic PCI >cards (958's I think) due to the better support for them on Linux. Would >these Buslogic cards be a problem on FreeBSD? They work really well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 09:32:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07413 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (root@mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07380 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29475; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608231632.JAA29475@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Swee-Chuan Khoo cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail storage In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 23 Aug 96 16:21:42 +0800. <199608230821.QAA23247@gandalf.asiapac.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:32:09 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > They want their intranet connect to my server couple of times >a day to receive and sending mail thro my connection to internet. >They will use my server space to store incoming mail and use the smtp >to send mail. BTW< multiple account in their LAN. This sounds like >uucp, right? Any other solution, do like to get uucp install if i can >avoid it. > They are running M$ Exchange Server. What should i install in >my server site, preferably a FreeBSD machine. Exchange doesn't do UUCP. They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping mail back to them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 10:35:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16301 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16293 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA26728; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:34:42 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608231734.MAA26728@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: suid login To: jw@ns.calyx.com (John Williams) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:34:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "John Williams" at Aug 23, 96 02:44:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, I'm having annoying problems with users who connect, then run login to > hide their source host. My problem isn't so much the (attempted) hiding, > but the fact that after a lot of this activity my w display gets full of > broken fixed entries from people long logged off. Really? I am a little suprised, I usually don't ever see problems with this under FreeBSD. > If I remove the setuid > bit from login can I expect any ill behavior from it other then the fact > that users can no longer re-login without reconnecting? I have noticed > that setuid screen when called with -ln causes similar problems. What is > going on and is there a way I can support those programs without getting > bogus login entries? Well you seem to be having an interesting problem of some sort... A simpler idea for login is simply to chgrp it to the group you use for your users and then chmod g-x it :-) Nasty nasty.. but potentially effective. More interesting would be to figure out what is causing your problems to begin with. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 10:55:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17631 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17626 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird.Think.COM (Early-Bird-1.Think.COM [131.239.146.105]) by mail.think.com (8.7.5/m3) with ESMTP id NAA04879; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compound.Think.COM (fergus-27.dialup.prtel.com [206.10.99.158]) by Early-Bird.Think.COM (8.7.5/e1) with ESMTP id NAA25561; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04591; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:54:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:54:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199608231754.MAA04591@compound.Think.COM> To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Cc: sckhoo@asiapac.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mail storage References: <199608230821.QAA23247@gandalf.asiapac.net> <199608231632.JAA29475@MindBender.serv.net> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Michael L. VanLoon on Fri, 23 August: : They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. : They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon : should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping : mail back to them. Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? A 5 minute perl hack. The corresponding NT client can also be a 5 minute perl hack. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 11:12:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19541 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19532 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA15125; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:10:18 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608231810.LAA15125@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: mail storage To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sckhoo@asiapac.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608231632.JAA29475@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at "Aug 23, 96 09:32:09 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > They want their intranet connect to my server couple of times > >a day to receive and sending mail thro my connection to internet. > >They will use my server space to store incoming mail and use the smtp > >to send mail. BTW< multiple account in their LAN. This sounds like > >uucp, right? Any other solution, do like to get uucp install if i can > >avoid it. > > They are running M$ Exchange Server. What should i install in > >my server site, preferably a FreeBSD machine. > > Exchange doesn't do UUCP. > > They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. > They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon > should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping > mail back to them. Attempting to use frequent runs of the queue is not a good way to solve this problem, it is non-predictable. Better off to have sendmail sort mail destined to them into a seperate /var/spool/mqueue.${DOMAIN}, then fire up a: sendmail -q -oQ/var/spool/mqueue.${DOMAIN} This is a non-trivial thing to set up, and there are bits and pieces of it described in the BAT book, look in the sections on fault tolerent and holding someones mail for them until they come back on line. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 11:26:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA21488 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seguin.neis.net (seguin.neis.net [204.249.228.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21472 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.neis.net (house.neis.net [204.249.228.130]) by seguin.neis.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA19915 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:01:04 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960823180419.00f84b04@mail.neis.net> X-Sender: pete@mail.neis.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:04:19 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Peter M. Murray" Subject: FreeBSD - BGP - ET Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hoi folks, We're considering implementing a BGP router for multi-homing purposes with FreeBSD and ET's dual T-1 card. Has anyone out there done this? If so, are you happy? Can you share some tips and hints, pros and cons? Any responses I'll gladly summarize and post to this forum. Thanks! Cheers, pete Peter M. Murray New England Internet Services pete@neis.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 11:53:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA25362 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25327 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id NAA25326; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA24458; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:52:52 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199608231852.MAA24458@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: mail storage To: alk@think.com (Tony Kimball) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, sckhoo@asiapac.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608231754.MAA04591@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at Aug 23, 96 12:54:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Or better yet, run: sendmail '-qI' so you're only processing the mail that's actually supposed to go to them when they set off the trigger. -Dave Andersen Lo and behold, Tony Kimball once said: > > Quoth Michael L. VanLoon on Fri, 23 August: > : They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. > : They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon > : should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping > : mail back to them. > > Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run > sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? > A 5 minute perl hack. The corresponding NT client > can also be a 5 minute perl hack. > > > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 12:07:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27244 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.igs.net (rene@host.igs.net [206.248.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27230 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rene@localhost) by host.igs.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) id PAA29249; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Rene Kahle To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mail storage In-Reply-To: <199608231810.LAA15125@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Attempting to use frequent runs of the queue is not a good way to solve > this problem, it is non-predictable. > > Better off to have sendmail sort mail destined to them into a seperate > /var/spool/mqueue.${DOMAIN}, then fire up a: > > sendmail -q -oQ/var/spool/mqueue.${DOMAIN} > > This is a non-trivial thing to set up, and there are bits and pieces of > it described in the BAT book, look in the sections on fault tolerent and > holding someones mail for them until they come back on line. An easier, but less elegant, way to do it is to issue a command like: sendmail -qRdomain.com & after starting PPP to make sendmail force the queue for domain.com at that time. -- Rene From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 12:53:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01275 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01258 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA15353; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:50:51 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608231950.MAA15353@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: mail storage To: angio@aros.net (Dave Andersen) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: alk@think.com, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, sckhoo@asiapac.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608231852.MAA24458@terra.aros.net> from Dave Andersen at "Aug 23, 96 12:52:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Or better yet, run: > > sendmail '-qI' Ahh... don't you mean -qR? -qIsubstr looks at queue-Id's, queue-id's are not going to have there domain name in them: GndRsh:rgrimes {105} mailq Mail Queue (2 requests) --Q-ID-- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------ AAA11666 1084 Thu Aug 22 00:04 rgrimes (HeadCandy.com: Name server timeout) michaelv@HeadCandy.com NAA10653 1905 Wed Aug 21 13:07 rgrimes (HeadCandy.com: Name server timeout) michaelv@HeadCandy.com ^^^^^^^^^ queue-id This -qR must be new with 8.7, much nicer way to handle what use to take a lot of hacking... > so you're only processing the mail that's actually supposed to go to them > when they set off the trigger. > > -Dave Andersen > > Lo and behold, Tony Kimball once said: > > > > Quoth Michael L. VanLoon on Fri, 23 August: > > : They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. > > : They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon > > : should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping > > : mail back to them. > > > > Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run > > sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? > > A 5 minute perl hack. The corresponding NT client > > can also be a 5 minute perl hack. > > > > > > > > > -- > angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented > system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) > http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual > "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 13:02:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02786 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02733 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mlcoh.loop.com (mlcoh.loop.com [204.179.169.6]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA06909 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:00:23 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960823200347.00704904@pop.loop.com> X-Sender: greg@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:03:47 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org From: Greg Wiley Subject: Re: mail storage Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >An easier, but less elegant, way to do it is to issue a command like: > > sendmail -qRdomain.com & > Also, rather than write a seperate port monitor, have them click a button from their web browser when they want to collect their mail. -greg From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 13:09:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03811 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03799 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id OAA26047; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA30971; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:09:02 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199608232009.OAA30971@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: mail storage To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608231950.MAA15353@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Aug 23, 96 12:50:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You are, of course, correct. sendmail -qR would do a much better job. :) -Dave Lo and behold, Rodney W. Grimes once said: > > > Or better yet, run: > > > > sendmail '-qI' > > Ahh... don't you mean -qR? -qIsubstr looks at queue-Id's, > queue-id's are not going to have there domain name in them: > > GndRsh:rgrimes {105} mailq > Mail Queue (2 requests) > --Q-ID-- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------ > AAA11666 1084 Thu Aug 22 00:04 rgrimes > (HeadCandy.com: Name server timeout) > michaelv@HeadCandy.com > NAA10653 1905 Wed Aug 21 13:07 rgrimes > (HeadCandy.com: Name server timeout) > michaelv@HeadCandy.com > ^^^^^^^^^ > queue-id > > This -qR must be new with 8.7, much nicer way to handle what use to take > a lot of hacking... > > > so you're only processing the mail that's actually supposed to go to them > > when they set off the trigger. > > > > -Dave Andersen > > > > Lo and behold, Tony Kimball once said: > > > > > > Quoth Michael L. VanLoon on Fri, 23 August: > > > : They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. > > > : They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon > > > : should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping > > > : mail back to them. > > > > > > Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run > > > sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? > > > A 5 minute perl hack. The corresponding NT client > > > can also be a 5 minute perl hack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented > > system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) > > http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual > > "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." > > > > > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 23 15:20:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19551 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19540 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02661 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:15:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:15:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199608231815.NAA02661@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: /usr/src/share/doc/smm files Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At documentation it said to refer to /usr/src/share/doc/smm for configuring multi-serial port to the kernel. But how do read this? Seems like it needs something to read. I tried ./Makefile after chmod 700 but it error missing files. Felix. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 00:02:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11265 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.inetnebr.com (kyricc@falcon.inetnebr.com [199.184.119.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11252 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kyricc@localhost) by falcon.inetnebr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA00157 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:03:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mr. Jason A. Borgmann" Message-Id: <199608240703.CAA00157@falcon.inetnebr.com> Subject: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:03:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am in the process of starting an ISP in my area. I was wondering if any of you could list the pros/cons of using a T1 over a 128k ISDN (besides speed). This intended ISP will probably start very small (less than 20 people is what we are figuring) but should be able to grow to over 200 accounts. Thanks... From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 00:10:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA12299 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (root@mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12283 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02076; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608240708.AAA02076@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon), craigs@os.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, mvanloon@microsoft.com Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 22 Aug 96 16:50:50 -0500. <199608222150.QAA25222@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:08:15 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Build it for speed and as close to zero latency as possible. Use more disks >instead of less. Stripe lots of FAST 1GB disks - like the new Hawk 31055's >- instead of going with larger drives. 2 9ms 1G disks are ALWAYS faster >than 1 8ms 2G disk, and the price is similar! Go with more SCSI busses. >NCR controllers are $60 apiece. Get three, and a 10/100 PCI Ethernet >controller, and you're still only putting out about $350 for your I/O >controllers. Have you compared Adaptec 2940UW's with tagged-command-queuing enabled to these? I found tagged-queuing to be a huge win in some benchmarks I ran recently when comparing a BusLogic and Adaptec controller. Does the NCR driver do tagged-command-queuing? >Use a large stripe size. I use 1 cylinder group. You are not striping for >bandwidth. You are striping for CONCURRENCY. You _want_ one mechanism to >be able to handle an _entire_ file access on its own. Is this something you just deduced, or have you proven this under real newsfeed conditions? I'm still slightly skeptical -- I think I'd start by trying smaller interleaves to increase the liklihood of randomizing the drive accessed per file, going with maybe cluster size (16K) up to a physical drive cylinder (~600K, probably) per interleave. But, if you've done extensive testing (and only if you've done extensive testing) of these alternatives, I'll take your advice as the direction to go in. How many drives per controller, and controllers per machine would you say is "optimum"? >Don't compromise on RAM. Stuff it. My feeds box has 128MB RAM. The >readers have 256MB (we had some fun with that though). What special tricks did you need to do to FreeBSD to make it run in 128MB of RAM? 256MB? Anything? Did I understand that you're running a 2.2 snapshot? Is there a particular reason you're using this and not 2.1.5? Also, what ethernet card has given you the best results (specific model, please)? I'm going to be setting up a killer newsfeed-sucking machine at work to do performance testing against, and I want to wring as much performance as I can out of this box (It'll be a Dell OptiPlex P5 133MHz -- the rest is up to me). Any other tips you (or anyone else) would like to share? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 00:24:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA13578 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13573 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA05946 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:37:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA04498 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:21:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608240703.CAA00157@falcon.inetnebr.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Mr. Jason A. Borgmann wrote: > Hello, I am in the process of starting an ISP in my area. I was wondering > if any of you could list the pros/cons of using a T1 over a 128k ISDN > (besides speed). If the T1 breaks the telco will fix it fast because T1 is a business data service. If ISDN breaks the telco will fix when they get around to it, maybe tomorrow or the next day, because ISDN is just a consumer dialup service anyway. > This intended ISP will probably start very small (less > than 20 people is what we are figuring) but should be able to grow to over > 200 accounts. I write this nice reply above and then I read this!!! GROW you said? to 200 accounts? OK, maybe you can make a go of it with such a small ISP but I guess there is no way you can afford a T1 so 128K ISDN or Frac T1 Frame Relay are your only real choices. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 09:34:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA14854 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14847 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA28292; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:31:27 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608241631.LAA28292@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:31:26 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, michael@memra.com, craigs@os.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, mvanloon@microsoft.com In-Reply-To: <199608240708.AAA02076@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at Aug 24, 96 00:08:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Build it for speed and as close to zero latency as possible. Use more disks > >instead of less. Stripe lots of FAST 1GB disks - like the new Hawk 31055's > >- instead of going with larger drives. 2 9ms 1G disks are ALWAYS faster > >than 1 8ms 2G disk, and the price is similar! Go with more SCSI busses. > >NCR controllers are $60 apiece. Get three, and a 10/100 PCI Ethernet > >controller, and you're still only putting out about $350 for your I/O > >controllers. > > Have you compared Adaptec 2940UW's with tagged-command-queuing enabled > to these? I found tagged-queuing to be a huge win in some benchmarks > I ran recently when comparing a BusLogic and Adaptec controller. Does > the NCR driver do tagged-command-queuing? # ncrcontrol T:L Vendor Device Rev Speed Max Wide Tags 0:0 SEAGATE ST31055N 0318 10.0 10.0 8 4 1:0 SEAGATE ST31055N 0318 10.0 10.0 8 4 2:0 SEAGATE ST31055N 0318 10.0 10.0 8 4 3:0 SEAGATE ST31055N 0318 10.0 10.0 8 4 4:0 SEAGATE ST31055N 0318 10.0 10.0 8 4 I believe that you can set the number; I haven't seen any reason yet to bother with it. > >Use a large stripe size. I use 1 cylinder group. You are not striping for > >bandwidth. You are striping for CONCURRENCY. You _want_ one mechanism to > >be able to handle an _entire_ file access on its own. > > Is this something you just deduced, or have you proven this under real > newsfeed conditions? It's something that some simple filesystem concurrency tests did favor, it's the traditional news wisdom, and if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Your traditional striping paradigm is designed to double the BANDWIDTH off the disks... i.e. combine two drives that peak out at 2.5MB/s to get an aggregate 5MB/s. This is done by a combination of small stripe sizes, the fact that the drive will tend to read ahead, and concurrent read requests. You end up with multiple mechanisms whose heads are moving closely in sync. This is stupid for news, where your average transaction is very small, and in reality what you want is not greater bandwidth, but greater transactions per second. You engineer for this by engineering your disk I/O subsystem for concurrency: if you open a particular file, you want (best case) ONE mechanism to do the directory lookup and data fetch for that file. This is hopeless in reality.. /news/comp/protocols/tcp-ip/domains/12345 because each directory will be in a different area of the disk, in general. So the best optimization you can make is hope that you can arrange for "domains/12345" to be accessed by a single mechanism, which you can do by setting a LARGE stripe size. Incidentally, you often end up getting a free ride for the "/news/comp/protocols/tcp-ip" portion, because a good amount of that is likely to be already cached by the system. Your terminal node directories (domains in this case) are the least likely to be cached, most likely to be read. You see how it works? :-) It ain't perfect but there's no obviously better solution unless you move to a news-specialized FS. > I'm still slightly skeptical -- I think I'd > start by trying smaller interleaves to increase the liklihood of > randomizing the drive accessed per file, going with maybe cluster size > (16K) up to a physical drive cylinder (~600K, probably) per > interleave. But, if you've done extensive testing (and only if you've > done extensive testing) of these alternatives, I'll take your advice > as the direction to go in. You have the right idea (randomize the drive accessed per file!!!!) but you have to remember that you often are forced to do that lookup in the "domains" directory, and then fetch the data. A smaller interleave means an increased likelihood that one mechanism will do the directory lookup and the other gets the data. This is inefficient because the first mechanism was already in the neighborhood and the second mechanism's time is being wasted. It is not up to me to convince you, however. Do your own tests and draw your own conclusions. Then go look with DejaNews through news.software.nntp for discussions of this in the past. > How many drives per controller, and controllers per machine would you > say is "optimum"? At $60 a controller I say stuff the machine with controllers and spread your disks out over them! (On a PCI system that means 3 SCSI controllers, this is better than your average Sun with its $800 SCSI controllers, so most Sun news servers have one or maybe two SCSI busses). It only costs you $120 more (two extras) to get one third the SCSI bus contention of using a single controller. At that price why bother figuring out if two or three is optimal... "just do it". Your drives then obviously get spread out among the busses. Note: I stripe _across_ busses because I intuitively believe that this may give me better response. > >Don't compromise on RAM. Stuff it. My feeds box has 128MB RAM. The > >readers have 256MB (we had some fun with that though). > > What special tricks did you need to do to FreeBSD to make it run in > 128MB of RAM? 128MB works fine with Triton-I and Triton-II. RTFMM (motherboard manual) for recommendations on RAM though. You then set options MAXMEM because your standard PC BIOS apparently reports memory > 64MB in some odd fashion that FreeBSD doesn't comprehend yet. > 256MB? Anything? We had a summerlong adventure with 256MB. You need a Triton-II board. If you really plan to do this, contact me in e-mail and I'll talk to some people and give you some more details. > Did I understand that you're running a 2.2 snapshot? Is there a > particular reason you're using this and not 2.1.5? I'm using 2.1.5R. I do not use snapshots on production systems. > Also, what ethernet card has given you the best results (specific > model, please)? I've used the Kingston PCI 10bT cheapies with great success, maybe the KNE40T but I don't recall the model # for sure (my supplier knows what I mean when I order one), the SMC EtherPower 10/100 (9332?) works great as well, I've seen these hooked up to a SynOptics switch and you can really shovel data around. > I'm going to be setting up a killer newsfeed-sucking machine at work > to do performance testing against, and I want to wring as much > performance as I can out of this box (It'll be a Dell OptiPlex P5 > 133MHz -- the rest is up to me). > > Any other tips you (or anyone else) would like to share? "The more, the merrier". That applies to every resource: RAM, disks, SCSI busses, etc. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 09:38:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15258 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15251 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA28304; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:37:44 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608241637.LAA28304@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: kyricc@inetnebr.com (Mr. Jason A. Borgmann) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:37:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608240703.CAA00157@falcon.inetnebr.com> from "Mr. Jason A. Borgmann" at Aug 24, 96 02:03:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, I am in the process of starting an ISP in my area. I was wondering > if any of you could list the pros/cons of using a T1 over a 128k ISDN > (besides speed). This intended ISP will probably start very small (less > than 20 people is what we are figuring) but should be able to grow to over > 200 accounts. There are two factors from an economic standpoint: circuit cost and bandwidth cost. A T1 may or may not be an expensive circuit (distance dependent), but your upstream peer will probably charge you $1000-$2000 month for bandwidth. The telco generally makes you sign a contract for length of service, as well. An ISDN line is generally a cheap circuit, but may be metered by the minute making it less attractive for a dedicated connection. The bandwidth will be cheaper because it will be much less. You generally do not sign long term contracts with the telco which means that you can switch from ISDN to T1 with only a minimum of fuss. An ISDN line is inherently less reliable than a point to point T1, mainly because the telco's are generally really bad with ISDN. Dennis's response about what kind of router you connect to is somewhat relevant, but probably not an immediate concern for an ISP with 20 users. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 10:16:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17580 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss.void.net (root@void.net [207.30.81.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17573 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dan@localhost) by abyss.void.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA00217; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Benjamin To: Joe Greco cc: "Mr. Jason A. Borgmann" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608241637.LAA28304@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello, I am in the process of starting an ISP in my area. I was wondering > > if any of you could list the pros/cons of using a T1 over a 128k ISDN > > An ISDN line is inherently less reliable than a point to point T1, mainly > because the telco's are generally really bad with ISDN. Let me preface my comments below with this disclaimer: I don't have anything to do with or any particular fondness for any telco. There, I said it. Now out with the compliments: I keep being told this, but those of us in BellSouth area must have lucked out. It seems that our ISDN folks are quite knowledgeable, even the phone operators seem to have a good knowledge of ISDN and related technologies themselves. At any rate, assume they know nothing (as I did) and either be correct or pleasantly surprised ;) ===================================================== Dan Benjamin dan@void.net President / SysAdmin The Void / Init http://www.init.org/ http://www.void.net/ ===================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 11:20:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA21101 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (root@cat-food.Melmac.org [206.169.44.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21093 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05321; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199608241819.LAA05321@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: kyricc@inetnebr.com (Mr. Jason A. Borgmann) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608240703.CAA00157@falcon.inetnebr.com> from "Mr. Jason A. Borgmann" at "Aug 24, 96 02:03:40 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, I am in the process of starting an ISP in my area. I was wondering > if any of you could list the pros/cons of using a T1 over a 128k ISDN > (besides speed). This intended ISP will probably start very small (less > than 20 people is what we are figuring) but should be able to grow to over > 200 accounts. > > Thanks... > Sorry to be rude, but another "Wanna-be-ISP". First it looks like you should go and read more about what is possible in telecommunication hardware. Like that ISDN is not upgradable over that 128K. That there exist Fractional T1. Frame Relay. And so on and so on. Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 11:58:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22938 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (root@mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22932 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05256; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608241852.LAA05256@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tony Kimball cc: sckhoo@asiapac.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail storage In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 23 Aug 96 12:54:37 -0500. <199608231754.MAA04591@compound.Think.COM> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:52:48 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Quoth Michael L. VanLoon on Fri, 23 August: >: They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. >: They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon >: should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping >: mail back to them. >Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run >sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? >A 5 minute perl hack. The corresponding NT client >can also be a 5 minute perl hack. Well, that's OK too. My main point was that UUCP was not the solution to their problem. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 12:01:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23081 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.intrastar.net (BSD.INTRASTAR.NET [206.136.25.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23075 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsuter@localhost) by bsd.intrastar.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00602; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:52:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:52:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacob Suter To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: "Mr. Jason A. Borgmann" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608241819.LAA05321@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sorry to be rude, but another "Wanna-be-ISP". First it looks like you should > go and read more about what is possible in telecommunication hardware. > Like that ISDN is not upgradable over that 128K. That there exist Fractional > T1. Frame Relay. And so on and so on. as you would say on IRC: "Blah"... Yeah, one ISDN circuit is not upgradable, but you can generally get more ISDN circuits in effect getting more bandwidth. I would think anywhere where ISDN would be would generally have more than 20 users.... If the calling area sucks that bad scream at the telco and PUC.. Later.... From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 12:40:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA24617 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (root@mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24567 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05511; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608241935.MAA05511@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, mvanloon@microsoft.com Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 24 Aug 96 11:31:26 -0500. <199608241631.LAA28292@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:35:46 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >At $60 a controller I say stuff the machine with controllers and spread >your disks out over them! (On a PCI system that means 3 SCSI controllers, [...] >Your drives then obviously get spread out among the busses. Note: I stripe >_across_ busses because I intuitively believe that this may give me better >response. Could you give me an example? How does this fit your scheme: two AHC2940UW's (I can probably get these easier than NCR controllers -- cost isn't a significant factor) with tagged-command-queuing enabled, four drives (2-4GB), two per controller. If I put a single ccd across all of them, going in the order 1, 3, 2, 4. Does that sound like a fairly well optimized start? Or, maybe even three AHC2940UW's with six drives, 1, 4, 7, 2, 5, 8, 3, 6, 9, in a single large ccd. Once you star getting multiple ccd filesystems in the news spool, things become much more complicated (keeping things balanced between different filesystems). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 15:11:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03246 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axis.axisnet.net (ali@axis.axisnet.net [206.54.226.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03239 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ali@localhost) by axis.axisnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA14721; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:12:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:12:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Ali Lomonaco To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: PPP Server Doing Subnets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently made many PPP servers with multiport serial cards and FreeBSD. It works excellent with assigning 1 ip. Now I have customers that want subnets. I have never done this. Do I need to run gated? The customers want 16-bit subnets. Thanks Ali Lomonaco From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 18:06:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA17957 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nanguo.chalmers.com.au (chalmers.com.au [203.1.96.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17949 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nanguo.chalmers.com.au (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0uuTlT-00030bC; Sun, 25 Aug 96 11:13 EST Message-Id: From: robert@chalmers.com.au (Robert Chalmers) Subject: Who knows about routed? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:13:23 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can someone routed guru please tell me what this is trying to say, apart from the obvious... nanguo routed[304]: bad host in route from eros (af 2) nanguo routed[304]: bad host in route from eros (af 2) Just what does routed see as a "bad host" ? it's filling my log files... bc -- The China House Sheng Huo Jiu Shi Dou Zheng robert@chalmers.com.au for Whirled Peas http://chalmers.com.au Location: Web Works Whitsunday. 21'7" S, 149'14" E. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 18:53:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA20837 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.id.net (root@shell.id.net [199.125.1.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20828 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rls@localhost) by shell.id.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15557; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 21:54:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199608250154.VAA15557@shell.id.net> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: jsuter@bsd.intrastar.net (Jacob Suter) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 21:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ulf@Lamb.net, kyricc@inetnebr.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Jacob Suter at "Aug 24, 96 01:52:37 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sorry to be rude, but another "Wanna-be-ISP". First it looks like you should > go and read more about what is possible in telecommunication hardware. > Like that ISDN is not upgradable over that 128K. That there exist Fractional > T1. Frame Relay. And so on and so on. Well, obviously another clueless "thinks-he's-an-isp"... Ever hear of ISDN PRI? We're running 23 channels of ISDN here, works rather well... -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 20:42:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA28941 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net (gandalf.asiapac.net [202.188.0.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28934 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tnc1133.asiapac.net (tnc1133.asiapac.net [202.188.1.133]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA05771; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:25:04 +0800 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:25:04 +0800 Message-Id: <199608250325.LAA05771@gandalf.asiapac.net> X-Sender: sckhoo@mail.asiapac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alk@think.com From: Swee-Chuan Khoo Subject: Re: mail storage Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run >>sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? >>A 5 minute perl hack. The corresponding NT client >>can also be a 5 minute perl hack. > >Well, that's OK too. My main point was that UUCP was not the solution >to their problem. :-) amazing, i almost find the solution in less than 24 hours. This is what i'll do, i'll get a P120 with FreeBSD 2.1.5 ( 2.2? ) and configure it to handle couple of domain, maybe like 3-4 of them. okay, regarding the perl hack, i need some help on this. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Khoo Swee Chuan ( The Network Connections ) - system administrator | | http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ sckhoo@asiapac.net | | tel:603-7337757 fax:603-7345577 #include | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Live long and prosper" - "Be well and Happy" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 20:53:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA29636 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maildeliver1.tiac.net (maildeliver1.tiac.net [199.0.65.213]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29629 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailserver2.tiac.net (mailserver2.tiac.net [199.0.65.231]) by maildeliver1.tiac.net (8.6.12/8.7.4) with ESMTP id XAA18904 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:56:47 -0400 Received: from cyclo201.tiac.net (cyclo201.tiac.net [206.119.129.236]) by mailserver2.tiac.net (8.6.12/8.7.4) with ESMTP id XAA00466 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:56:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199608250356.XAA00466@mailserver2.tiac.net> From: "Bill Desjardins" To: Subject: Cabletron Cards Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:53:12 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Does anyone use ethernet cards from cabletron? I have a friend who works at cabletron and I can get them for just about nil. What are the compatibility issues? Special drivers required? Which models work best? I am running freebsd 2.1.5 If you don't use these, what other cards besides the 3com's do you reccommend? Thanks, Bill Desjardins Global Communications INTERNETworking Corporation A Complete Internet Services Provider mailto:BillDes@gcomnett.com http://www.gcomnett.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 22:03:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05424 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05409 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA17595; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:02:03 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608250502.WAA17595@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, mvanloon@microsoft.com In-Reply-To: <199608241935.MAA05511@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at "Aug 24, 96 12:35:46 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >At $60 a controller I say stuff the machine with controllers and spread > >your disks out over them! (On a PCI system that means 3 SCSI controllers, > [...] > >Your drives then obviously get spread out among the busses. Note: I stripe > >_across_ busses because I intuitively believe that this may give me better > >response. > > Could you give me an example? > > How does this fit your scheme: two AHC2940UW's (I can probably get > these easier than NCR controllers -- cost isn't a significant factor) > with tagged-command-queuing enabled, four drives (2-4GB), two per > controller. If I put a single ccd across all of them, going in the > order 1, 3, 2, 4. Does that sound like a fairly well optimized start? > > Or, maybe even three AHC2940UW's with six drives, 1, 4, 7, 2, 5, 8, 3, > 6, 9, in a single large ccd. Save yourself some slot space and allow for future growth, if your going to go multiple AIC7xxx get AHA3940UW's which are the equivlent of 2 2940UW's on one card. Does anyone out there make a card with multiple NCR 53C8xx chips on it?? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 22:39:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08610 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08589 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA17651; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:39:11 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608250539.WAA17651@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Who knows about routed? To: robert@chalmers.com.au (Robert Chalmers) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Robert Chalmers at "Aug 25, 96 11:13:23 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can someone routed guru please tell me what this is trying to say, > apart from the obvious... > > > nanguo routed[304]: bad host in route from eros (af 2) > nanguo routed[304]: bad host in route from eros (af 2) ^^^^^^ af 2 == INET ^^^^^^^^ this is coming from this part of input.c: if (((*afp->af_checkhost)(&n->rip_dst)) == 0) { syslog(LOG_DEBUG, "bad host in route from %s (af %d)\n", (*afswitch[from->sa_family].af_format)(from), from->sa_family); continue; } > Just what does routed see as a "bad host" ? It means that the IP address is not believed to be an internet host, and by following the indirection of *afp->af_checkhost you end up in this chunk of code: /* * Return 1 if the address is believed * for an Internet host -- THIS IS A KLUDGE. */ inet_checkhost(sin) struct sockaddr_in *sin; { u_long i = ntohl(sin->sin_addr.s_addr); #ifndef IN_EXPERIMENTAL #define IN_EXPERIMENTAL(i) (((long) (i) & 0xe0000000) == 0xe0000000) #endif if (IN_EXPERIMENTAL(i) || sin->sin_port != 0) return (0); if (i != 0 && (i & 0xff000000) == 0) return (0); for (i = 0; i < sizeof(sin->sin_zero)/sizeof(sin->sin_zero[0]); i++) if (sin->sin_zero[i]) return (0); return (1); } There should probably be additional data in the logged message (ie, a pretty print of &n->rip_dst->sin_addr.s_addr would tell you exactly what data was rejected by inet_checkhost. > it's filling my log files... The host eros routed is probably sending out funny routes :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 24 23:54:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14629 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lassie.eunet.fi (lassie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14624 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from key.hole.fi by lassie.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA03248 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:54:39 +0300 Received: (from count@localhost) by key.hole.fi (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA01591; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:54:39 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199608250654.JAA01591@key.hole.fi> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608241935.MAA05511@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at "Aug 24, 96 12:35:46 pm" To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:54:38 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon taisi sanoa: > > How does this fit your scheme: two AHC2940UW's (I can probably get > these easier than NCR controllers -- cost isn't a significant factor) > with tagged-command-queuing enabled, four drives (2-4GB), two per > controller. If I put a single ccd across all of them, going in the > order 1, 3, 2, 4. Does that sound like a fairly well optimized start? Why wouldn't you use a AHC 3940? That card has two SCSI buses so you wouldn't run out of PCI slots so fast. At work I built a P166 machine with 3940 and four 2G HP disks spread over the two buses. Raw speed from a single disk is around 5MB/sec, ccd (with stripe size 32 - I didn't experiment with different sizes) gives 11MB/sec write and 13MB/sec read. And those drives are 'only' 5400 rpm and narrow. My setup is also 1-3-2-4. -- Bror 'Count' Heinola % count@key.hole.fi % http://pobox.com/~count/ Pengerkatu 13b A5 % IRC: Count NIC: BH271 % FI-00530 HELSINKI % Work: bror@sms.fi % Roads? Where we're going, Cell: +358-40-5533-554 % Santa Monica Software % we don't need roads.