From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 00:49:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA17814 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17808 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id CAA13375; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA26447; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:49:39 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199608250749.BAA26447@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: rls@shell.id.net (Robert Shady) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Cc: jsuter@bsd.intrastar.net, ulf@Lamb.net, kyricc@inetnebr.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608250154.VAA15557@shell.id.net> from "Robert Shady" at Aug 24, 96 09:54:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ISDN PRI costs as much as, if not more, T1 data service. It's also not a good solution in any case for Internet connectivity - multiplexing 23 B channels will have 10x the latency (quite literally) as a single T1 or fractional T1. -Dave Andersen Lo and behold, Robert Shady once said: > > > Sorry to be rude, but another "Wanna-be-ISP". First it looks like you should > > go and read more about what is possible in telecommunication hardware. > > Like that ISDN is not upgradable over that 128K. That there exist Fractional > > T1. Frame Relay. And so on and so on. > > Well, obviously another clueless "thinks-he's-an-isp"... Ever hear of > ISDN PRI? We're running 23 channels of ISDN here, works rather well... > > -- Rob > === > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ > > Innovative Data Services > Serving South-Eastern Michigan > Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services > Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 13:20:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01710 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01697 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.tioga.com (root@falcon.tioga.com [205.146.65.5]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA25706 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tbalfe@localhost) by falcon.tioga.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA27380; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Balfe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: http tester Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone have something that will repeatadly hit a webserver without stopping? I have asked Brian Tao for his, but he's not releasing it to the public. I want to try some testing not only to test my webserver, but for a webserver built as a intranet server on 100mbit. ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com President http://www.tioga.com/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 ======================================================================== "Humanity has been compared...to a sleeper who handles matches in his sleep and wakes to find himself in flames." - H.G. Wells The World Set Free 1914 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 13:21:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01970 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01943 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.intrastar.net (root@BSD.INTRASTAR.NET [206.136.25.13]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA25441 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsuter@localhost) by bsd.intrastar.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA00513; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:48:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:48:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacob Suter To: Joe Greco cc: Robert Shady , ulf@Lamb.net, kyricc@inetnebr.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608251355.IAA29158@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At the point where you are doing that, why NOT go with F-T1? It is designed > precisely to cope with that sort of thing. Making ISDN do it is like trying > to hammer a screw into a wall. Call GTE texas sometime and ask for a Fractional T1 circuit... Their reply is generally along the lines of "no". Frame Relay? Yeah right! but hell, we don't have ISDN, but I wish we did..... So, you end up paying $25/mile on an intralata T1, when all you need is 128k.... Naah! From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 13:22:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02160 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02120 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumter.awod.com (awod.com [198.81.225.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA25373 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsunami.awod.com (chs0099.awod.com [198.81.225.98]) by sumter.awod.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA20298; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:25:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960825162538.008ec0c4@awod.com> X-Sender: klam@awod.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:25:38 -0400 To: Dave Andersen From: Ken Lam Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 Cc: jsuter@bsd.intrastar.net, ulf@Lamb.net, kyricc@inetnebr.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:49 AM 8/25/96 -0600, you wrote: >ISDN PRI costs as much as, if not more, T1 data service. It's also not a >good solution in any case for Internet connectivity - multiplexing 23 B >channels will have 10x the latency (quite literally) as a single T1 or >fractional T1. > > -Dave Andersen ISDN PRI is costly and may not be the solution, however, ISDN is quite scalable. But you don't have to have a PRI to do that. Check out Adtrans ISU512 which takes up to 4BRIs and imuxes them together. That is an extremely effective product, which though I haven't installed it personally, have spoken with several persons who use it. The costs of adding BRIs+port charges is probably lower using an ISU512 to get capacity than going FracT1. -ken --- Ken Lam lam@awod.com Integrated Technical Systems Systems, Networks, and Internet Solutions -- Defining Technology Today "'Plug and Play' was only applicable to the original ATARI(tm)" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 13:22:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02309 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02260 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osceola.gate.net (root@osceola.gate.net [199.227.0.18]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA25170 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hopi.gate.net (jdejonge@hopi.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA78702 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:22:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (jdejonge@localhost) by hopi.gate.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20272 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:23:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hopi.gate.net: jdejonge owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert J. DeJonge" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "File exists" error on PPP setup. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was attempting to set up and configure my machine to use the user PPP program. When I boot the machine--with the current network configuration-- I get the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ . . lo0: flags=8009 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 tun0: flags=51 mtu 1500 inet 0.0.0.0 --> 206.124.64.253 netmask 0xffffff00 add net 0.0.0.0: gateway aether.one.domain writing to routing socket: File exists add host aether.one.domain: gateway localhost: File exists starting routing daemons: routed. . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I was attempting to connect to a GTE dialup account. Their gateway address is 206.124.64.253. This ISP uses dynamic IP address allocation. What causes the "file exists" error? Also, when using the ppp program in manual mode; I get "write: file exists". Thanks for your help Robert jdejonge@gate.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 13:26:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02659 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02634 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA24980 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 07:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA29173; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:15:22 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608251415.JAA29173@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:15:22 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, mvanloon@microsoft.com In-Reply-To: <199608241935.MAA05511@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at Aug 24, 96 12:35:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >At $60 a controller I say stuff the machine with controllers and spread > >your disks out over them! (On a PCI system that means 3 SCSI controllers, > [...] > >Your drives then obviously get spread out among the busses. Note: I stripe > >_across_ busses because I intuitively believe that this may give me better > >response. > > Could you give me an example? > > How does this fit your scheme: two AHC2940UW's (I can probably get > these easier than NCR controllers -- cost isn't a significant factor) > with tagged-command-queuing enabled, four drives (2-4GB), two per > controller. If I put a single ccd across all of them, going in the > order 1, 3, 2, 4. Does that sound like a fairly well optimized start? > > Or, maybe even three AHC2940UW's with six drives, 1, 4, 7, 2, 5, 8, 3, > 6, 9, in a single large ccd. > > Once you star getting multiple ccd filesystems in the news spool, > things become much more complicated (keeping things balanced between > different filesystems). I never liked 'single large' news filesystems because it gets so hard to tell who is filling up your disks in a timely fashion... Some folks have also claimed that updates of fs metadata can still cause various contention problems and associated slowdowns. I've never tried to conduct tests under FreeBSD to see if there is any merit, but even so, I do not like the idea of my entire news spool being GONE if one drive vaporizes on me (I recently lost /news on a machine with separate partitions for alt and alt.binaries at a LARGE ISP, they told me they received few complaints that everything else was gone.. nobody cares about all the good hierarchies anymore). You could go with 3940's (two busses, one card). Unfortunately I noticed some disturbing differences in performance under 2.1.0R between the NCR and the 3940, the NCR was hands down faster... dunno what the current state of affairs is. There's also a 3985 with three busses, and apparently it would not be hard to support the busses but FreeBSD doesn't support it yet. The 3985 also has RAID hardware built in, but driver support would be required, so I would probably consider it to be a three-SCSI-bus controller and nothing more. As for how I lay down filesystems across busses... well it's not too hard, you'll never hit optimum so I just sorta "do it", bearing in mind that swap drives, NOV drives, /usr/local drives, and alt.binaries drives will be the worst bandwidth eaters and should ideally be spread as evenly as possible. I just "start at the top" and assign drives across the busses. For example.. Bus 0 Bus 1 Bus 2 ------ ------ ------ 2G root 2G var news CCD news CCD news/.0 CCD news/.0 CCD usr/local CCD usr/local CCD nov CCD nov CCD alt.binaries CCD alt.binaries CCD A few notes: the stripe size for /usr/local should be *small* because you are really interested in increasing tps to a single large file (history). The alt.binaries stuff should be on a separate CCD because you do not want binaries eating up your nice expensive CCD array of small disks... I usually use two Barra 4G's for binaries. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 13:26:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02791 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02742 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA24900 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 06:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA29158; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:55:42 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608251355.IAA29158@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: rls@shell.id.net (Robert Shady) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:55:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jsuter@bsd.intrastar.net, ulf@Lamb.net, kyricc@inetnebr.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199608250154.VAA15557@shell.id.net> from "Robert Shady" at Aug 24, 96 09:54:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Sorry to be rude, but another "Wanna-be-ISP". First it looks like you should > > go and read more about what is possible in telecommunication hardware. > > Like that ISDN is not upgradable over that 128K. That there exist Fractional > > T1. Frame Relay. And so on and so on. > > Well, obviously another clueless "thinks-he's-an-isp"... Ever hear of > ISDN PRI? We're running 23 channels of ISDN here, works rather well... ISDN PRI? You are suggesting multiplexing > 2 ISDN B's? Eeeeccch... I think I have to agree with the original poster... since "technically possible" and "something you would want to do" are two very different things. At the point where you are doing that, why NOT go with F-T1? It is designed precisely to cope with that sort of thing. Making ISDN do it is like trying to hammer a screw into a wall. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 13:57:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06809 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06802 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id QAA10316; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA11788; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608252058.QAA11788@server.id.net> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rls@shell.id.net, jsuter@bsd.intrastar.net, ulf@lamb.net, kyricc@inetnebr.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608251355.IAA29158@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "Aug 25, 96 08:55:41 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Sorry to be rude, but another "Wanna-be-ISP". First it looks like you >>> should go and read more about what is possible in telecommunication >>> hardware. Like that ISDN is not upgradable over that 128K. That there >>> exist Fractional T1. Frame Relay. And so on and so on. >> >> Well, obviously another clueless "thinks-he's-an-isp"... Ever hear of >> ISDN PRI? We're running 23 channels of ISDN here, works rather well... > > ISDN PRI? You are suggesting multiplexing > 2 ISDN B's? Eeeeccch... > > I think I have to agree with the original poster... since "technically > possible" and "something you would want to do" are two very different things. > > At the point where you are doing that, why NOT go with F-T1? It is designed > precisely to cope with that sort of thing. Making ISDN do it is like trying > to hammer a screw into a wall. ISDN Primary Rate Interface Service is 23 ISDN B channels, and a single ISDN D channel coming in over a single T1. The original post was meant to be a slam against a poster who suggested using ISDN, the response was "ISDN is *NOT* upgradable over 128K"... I mearly suggest that "ISDN" doesn't really have any limit to it's upgradability, or at least, surely not 128K... Now whether it is a viable solution for an Internet up-link is another topic I'd be happy to discuss.. We have several companies that think the savings of using ISDN vs. FT1 is well worth the minor inconviences that ISDN has... -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 14:03:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA07336 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.tioga.com (root@falcon.tioga.com [205.146.65.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07331 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tbalfe@localhost) by falcon.tioga.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA27503; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:05:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Balfe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Webmasters, look Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found some cool tools for Apache is case anyone is interested, including a module that allows cgi's to be run as that user. http://www.louisville.edu/~jadour01/mothersoft/products.html ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com President http://www.tioga.com/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 ======================================================================== "Humanity has been compared...to a sleeper who handles matches in his sleep and wakes to find himself in flames." - H.G. Wells The World Set Free 1914 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 15:01:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11886 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 15:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egate.egate.net (ns.egate.net [207.34.206.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11877 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paul-ml@localhost) by egate.egate.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA16556; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:00:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul Andersen (ML)" To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: "Mr. Jason A. Borgmann" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608241819.LAA05321@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Sorry to be rude, but another "Wanna-be-ISP". First it looks like you should > go and read more about what is possible in telecommunication hardware. > Like that ISDN is not upgradable over that 128K. That there exist Fractional > T1. Frame Relay. And so on and so on. For above 128k is there not also Multi-Line load balancing? obviously it requires hardware on both ends that support it but does it now allow it to "break" 128? ----------- Paul Andersen paul@egate.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 17:14:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27586 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cruz.isle.net (root@cruz.isle.net [204.140.227.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27575 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from john (port049.vta.fishnet.net [205.216.133.198]) by cruz.isle.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06933 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:01:48 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960826001430.006c195c@isle.net> X-Sender: johns@isle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:14:30 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: John Scharles Subject: tcpdump Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to use tcpdump on my freebsd 1.2.5R machine and I get: tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: Device not configured I've compiled the kernel with the bpfilter set to 4. Of course I'm not sure if my el cheapo ne2000 clone can go into the saucy/sexy/promiscuous mode (it's based on a UMC chipset). Anyone have any ideas on what to try? John Scharles From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 17:28:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA29397 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synwork.com (root@synwork.com [199.3.234.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29390 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synwork.com (flaq@ns1.synwork.com [204.120.255.17]) by synwork.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA00678; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 19:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 19:28:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike To: John Scharles cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcpdump In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960826001430.006c195c@isle.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, John Scharles wrote: > I'm trying to use tcpdump on my freebsd 1.2.5R machine and I get: > > tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: Device not configured > > I've compiled the kernel with the bpfilter set to 4. Of course I'm not sure > if my el cheapo ne2000 clone can go into the saucy/sexy/promiscuous mode > (it's based on a UMC chipset). > > Anyone have any ideas on what to try? > John Scharles > > Have you done a /dev/MAKEDEV bfp0 yet? There is also another utility I like to use in the ports collection called 'trafshow' Hope that helps. Mike ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Syn-Work Media, Inc. | WWW Development & Hosting | Life Safety http://www.synwork.com | Systems Integration | CCTV mike@synwork.com | Voice/Data/Fiber | Access Control Flaq on IRC | Dukane Distributor | BICSI/RCDD :|:|:|: Powered By FreeBSD :|:|:|: Turning PC's Into Workstations ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 25 18:57:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA07818 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07704 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA05069; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:02:14 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:02:14 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199608261002.KAA05069@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: alk@think.com, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Subject: Re: mail storage Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Quoth Michael L. VanLoon on Fri, 23 August: > : They probably just want you to run sendmail with a frequent retry. > : They could connect to you, dumping mail out, and your sendmail daemon > : should retry often enough to see that they are there and start dumping > : mail back to them. > > Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run > sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? > A 5 minute perl hack. The corresponding NT client > can also be a 5 minute perl hack. Can you drop me some details? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 00:05:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24080 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24074 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id BAA19001; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA06100; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:05:53 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199608260705.BAA06100@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: http tester To: tbalfe@tioga.com (Thomas J Balfe) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Thomas J Balfe" at Aug 25, 96 02:23:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I .. ahh, "ported" webstone to FreeBSD a few months ago. I haven't tried it for a while, but I'd wager my port still works. It's not good, it's not even very well done, but it was enough for us to do some preliminary testing of our webserver machine. :) YMMV. ftp://ftp.aros.net/pub/util/freebsd/webstone.tar.gz -Dave Andersen Lo and behold, Thomas J Balfe once said: > > Anyone have something that will repeatadly hit a webserver without > stopping? I have asked Brian Tao for his, but he's not releasing it to > the public. I want to try some testing not only to test my webserver, but > for a webserver built as a intranet server on 100mbit. > > > ======================================================================== > Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com > President http://www.tioga.com/ > Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 > ======================================================================== > > "Humanity has been compared...to a sleeper who handles matches > in his sleep and wakes to find himself in flames." > - H.G. Wells The World Set Free 1914 > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 01:38:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA27508 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27499 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00140; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:38:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:38:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Robert Shady cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608252058.QAA11788@server.id.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Robert Shady wrote: > ISDN Primary Rate Interface Service is 23 ISDN B channels, and a single > ISDN D channel coming in over a single T1. The original post was meant to Actually you can do whatever you want to with a PRI. There are pre NI-2 standards that allow you do do what NFAS does on the DMS and on 5ESS's running older software. So you can have any arbitrary number of B channels delivered over any number of T1 lines and have Primary and Backup D channels. For example, when I add a 3rd PRI, I'm not going to order it with a D channel. I'll get 24 B's on that line, and I'll use the D channel on one of my other lines. I'm aware of Meridian systems that have a primary and a backup D channel and 3 to 4 hundred B channels, all delivered over T1s or T3s. The really nifty thing about ISDN is that most of the telco people here seem to have missed the fact that you can run data over it. *grin* They all think its the best thing since sliced bread as far as running voice etc. (which, it is.) > topic I'd be happy to discuss.. We have several companies that think the > savings of using ISDN vs. FT1 is well worth the minor inconviences that > ISDN has... Typically, ISDN and FT1 are for two different applications. That we are able to use nailed-up ISDN lines to provide dedicated lines to customers is only a slight feature of the technology, and has a large amount to do with the pricing structure and tarrifs in your service area. Also, BRI service is *NOT* a high priority for repair service (at least in BellSouth land). If your customer wants immediate repair responce when their line goes down, sell them on a 56k, FT1 (if available) or T1. Hell, sometimes I don't think I get priority responce on my PRIs... Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 01:46:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA27987 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27982 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00491; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:45:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:45:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608251355.IAA29158@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > ISDN PRI? You are suggesting multiplexing > 2 ISDN B's? Eeeeccch... > > I think I have to agree with the original poster... since "technically > possible" and "something you would want to do" are two very different things. We've got unmetered ISDN here, so its not something I wouldn't consider doing, under the right circumstances. Get something like a Pipeline 400B or a Max 1800 and you could have a total of 8 or 16 B channels to use in your MPP call to your provider. I think for some applications, this would be pretty slick with a bandwidth on demand setup running. You could nail up 1 B channel and configure each end to bring up more when there was the need for them. Since FT1 isn't tariffed here, this is an option I would consider. I'd be more likely to suggest FR, but some cusotmers have this thing for ISDN. *shrug* Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 03:52:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA03308 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA03303 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.kada.lt by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA28189 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 03:48:45 -0700 Received: from dara by alpha.kada.lt (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/21Jun96-0218PM) id AA29751; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:27:40 +0300 Message-Id: <9608261027.AA29751@alpha.kada.lt> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Darius Ramanauskas" Organization: State Land Cadastre Ent. To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:33:27 +0000 Subject: Help SENDMAIL or somethink is buggy?!? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello All, I or someone from my users can not send mail to one host UNECE.ORG. The response from sendmail is: ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:48:27 +0300 (EET DST) from [193.219.211.124] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- (transient failure) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 451 ... reply: read error from gatekeeper.unicc.org. ... Deferred: Connection reset by peer during client HELO with gatekeeper.unicc.org. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old --- the mailq: MAA25541 16 Fri Aug 23 12:33 taide (vilius.pogozhelskis@unece.org... reply: read error from gate) vilius.pogozhelskis@unece.org RAA21266 326 Thu Aug 22 17:07 (Deferred: Connection reset by peer with gatekeeper.unicc.org) QAA21117 2 Thu Aug 22 16:25 dara (Deferred: Connection reset by peer with gatekeeper.unicc.org) vilius.pogozhelskis@unicc.org QAA21075 0 Thu Aug 22 16:05 dara (Deferred: Connection reset by peer with gatekeeper.unicc.org) vilius.pogozhelskis@unece.org QAA21083 2 Thu Aug 22 16:07 dara (vilius.pogozhelskis@gatekeeper.unicc.org... reply: read erro) vilius.pogozhelskis@gatekeeper.unic c.org The strange thing is that from any other host on the same network (Linux) and others will send mail to this host :-((( Please help me if anyone know or had this situation. FBSD 2.1.5-R In sendmail.cf I have added multihost support. Thank you. Dara Sys/Net Admin From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 07:07:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11602 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11581 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA29967; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:04:05 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261404.JAA29967@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: rls@mail.id.net (Robert Shady) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:04:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, rls@shell.id.net, jsuter@bsd.intrastar.net, ulf@lamb.net, kyricc@inetnebr.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608252058.QAA11788@server.id.net> from "Robert Shady" at Aug 25, 96 04:58:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > ISDN PRI? You are suggesting multiplexing > 2 ISDN B's? Eeeeccch... > > > > I think I have to agree with the original poster... since "technically > > possible" and "something you would want to do" are two very different things. > > > > At the point where you are doing that, why NOT go with F-T1? It is designed > > precisely to cope with that sort of thing. Making ISDN do it is like trying > > to hammer a screw into a wall. > > ISDN Primary Rate Interface Service is 23 ISDN B channels, and a single > ISDN D channel coming in over a single T1. The original post was meant to > be a slam against a poster who suggested using ISDN, the response was > "ISDN is *NOT* upgradable over 128K"... I mearly suggest that "ISDN" doesn't > really have any limit to it's upgradability, or at least, surely not 128K... > Now whether it is a viable solution for an Internet up-link is another > topic I'd be happy to discuss.. We have several companies that think the > savings of using ISDN vs. FT1 is well worth the minor inconviences that > ISDN has... I'm well aware of what ISDN PRI is, and of course ISDN doesn't have any "real" limits, my question is simply whether or not it makes sense to try to do it. I can run 24 33.6K modems in parallel and get a lot of bandwidth too, I'm just not sure it's a smart thing to try to do. ;-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 07:45:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA13236 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13219 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-089.etinc.com (ppp-089.etinc.com [204.141.95.148]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23948; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:50:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:50:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199608261450.KAA23948@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Robert Shady From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert Shady writes... >ISDN Primary Rate Interface Service is 23 ISDN B channels, and a single >ISDN D channel coming in over a single T1. The original post was meant to >be a slam against a poster who suggested using ISDN, the response was >"ISDN is *NOT* upgradable over 128K"... I mearly suggest that "ISDN" doesn't >really have any limit to it's upgradability, or at least, surely not 128K... >Now whether it is a viable solution for an Internet up-link is another >topic I'd be happy to discuss.. We have several companies that think the >savings of using ISDN vs. FT1 is well worth the minor inconviences that >ISDN has... The original premise that ISDN is not upgradable is correct, so why are you babbling? Yeah, like a 56k DDS line is upgradeable to T1....but its a whole different product, and you need different equipment. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 07:48:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA13635 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13626 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA13526 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 05:45:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 05:45:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199608261045.FAA13526@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: Help, No Login Prompt Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After the USR modem answers, the client does not get the login prompt. I have configured everything I could think of. My /etc/ttys: ttyc0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" dialup on ttyc1 "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" dialup on .... My /etc/rc.serial: modem() { for i in $* do comcontrol /dev/ttyc$i dtrwait 100 drainwait 180 stty ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA00275; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:04:48 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261504.KAA00275@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:04:48 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, mvanloon@microsoft.com In-Reply-To: <199608241935.MAA05511@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at Aug 24, 96 12:35:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Once you star getting multiple ccd filesystems in the news spool, > things become much more complicated (keeping things balanced between > different filesystems). "So what" :-) (maybe that just seems easy to me because I've been doing it forever). I've found in recent years that "balanced" is a meaningless term as the capacity of the drives is MUCH greater than needed, and the drive will reach I/O saturation at a point before it's near full... so my spools don't necessarily have to run at 90% cap. :-) However I will point out that you definitely want alt.binaries* on a separate disk or ccd device. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 08:09:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18133 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18124 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA00291; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:07:49 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261507.KAA00291@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:07:48 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, craigs@OS.COM In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Aug 22, 96 04:03:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > Use a large stripe size. I use 1 cylinder group. You are not striping for > > bandwidth. You are striping for CONCURRENCY. You _want_ one mechanism to > > be able to handle an _entire_ file access on its own. > > By concurrency do you mean that the write requests are non-blocking and > thus a request that lands on a second drive can start writing before a > previous request completes? Perhaps more importantly, *reads*. > And did you need to fo that tweak to UFS meta data updates that makes it > more like Linux's ext2fs? I've played with metadata updates before (disabled ATIME and MTIME updates) but I don't want to do it on a production system until there is an officially sanctioned method to do so. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 08:19:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18765 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18753 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA00313; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:17:49 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261517.KAA00313@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:17:49 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at Aug 22, 96 09:13:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > Avoid Linux unless you are prepared to play the Incompatibility Game and > > Kernel-Of-The-Day Game. > > I wouldn't generalize that much. Check out 'hunter.premier.net' in the > Freenix1000. > > Linux box with a DPT SmartRAID controller. That's nice. Still, I see a lot of people struggling to get Linux to work as a news server... > And its only on a single T1 (so was howland.reston) Howland? On a single T1? I can ask Enger but I doubt it. Howland had continually rated high on Reid's Top 1000 because back in the days when ANS was _THE_ Internet backbone, it was the only major news system that was connected directly to ANS and was able to take advantage of the ANS backbone's excellent connectivity and 45mbps rates. At least, that's how _I_ remember it. :-) Since Howland has recently moved, that may change somewhat, but I don't buy that it was on a T1. > Linux can kick a fair amount of ass as a newsserver. I'm hoping to get > the chance to push a FreeBSD box to the same level though. > > We're running our spool on the CCD right now, but the DPT SmartRAID stuff > would be killer. Since I don't directly admin news, the admin that does > will probably end up building a Linux box so that the DPT support will be > there. Unless FreeBSD drivers suddenly appear... I'd like that, although going with a real RAID is a possibility too. I generally don't bother with RAID's for news and my performance is pretty good. :-) (see: newspump.sol.net) > The uncertainty about the MMAP stuff for INN bothers me a bit too... Why bother using it? I've not seen a noticeable difference either way, and finally decided it wasn't worth the "uncertainty" (although in many months of operations, I saw few crashes that I attributed to it). > Oh, CCD clue. Stripe size of 2048 is um... st00pid. We were, um... er... > testing! thats it. *grin* > > Have a good one. > > (BTW, anyone looking to exchange feeds? < 150ms to news.intersurf.net > prefered. Innfeed sites a plus.) I don't even see you on the Freenix Top 1000 list :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 09:04:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21269 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21264 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17004; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:02:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:02:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608261517.KAA00313@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > That's nice. Still, I see a lot of people struggling to get Linux to work > as a news server... True, Linux does give you more opportunity to shoot yourself in the foot, but that is characteristic of the PC platform in general. > > And its only on a single T1 (so was howland.reston) > > Howland? On a single T1? I can ask Enger but I doubt it. *shrug* I think it was a Sparc5 or Sparc10 at his house. Its on some horking Ultra up at Erols now... > Howland had continually rated high on Reid's Top 1000 because back in the > days when ANS was _THE_ Internet backbone, it was the only major news > system that was connected directly to ANS and was able to take advantage > of the ANS backbone's excellent connectivity and 45mbps rates. At least, > that's how _I_ remember it. :-) http://www.freenix.fr/top1000/ > Since Howland has recently moved, that may change somewhat, but I don't > buy that it was on a T1. Heh... hunter.premier.net was, and they're rated #4 (would be #3 if GBL hadn't messed up their path data) > > We're running our spool on the CCD right now, but the DPT SmartRAID stuff > > would be killer. Since I don't directly admin news, the admin that does > > will probably end up building a Linux box so that the DPT support will be > > there. Unless FreeBSD drivers suddenly appear... > > I'd like that, although going with a real RAID is a possibility too. Um... Isn't the DPT stuff "real raid"? Now you can go with an external Mylex RAID box but the DPT stuff works just as well. Up to 3 UltraFastSCSI channels per controller. > I generally don't bother with RAID's for news and my performance is pretty > good. :-) (see: newspump.sol.net) Freenix as of July says: 59 2.96 newspump.sol.net Which isn't bad. :) Can I get a feed from you? > > The uncertainty about the MMAP stuff for INN bothers me a bit too... > > Why bother using it? I've not seen a noticeable difference either way, > and finally decided it wasn't worth the "uncertainty" (although in many > months of operations, I saw few crashes that I attributed to it). Cool. I'll pass that along. > > Oh, CCD clue. Stripe size of 2048 is um... st00pid. We were, um... er... > > testing! thats it. *grin* > > > > Have a good one. > > > > (BTW, anyone looking to exchange feeds? < 150ms to news.intersurf.net > > prefered. Innfeed sites a plus.) > > I don't even see you on the Freenix Top 1000 list :-) Yep, our newsserver was sucking really bad until recently. We were down a disk and using a really old 2.0.5 SNAP release. This has changed. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 09:24:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22173 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22156 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA00478; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:22:47 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261622.LAA00478@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:22:47 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at Aug 26, 96 11:02:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > That's nice. Still, I see a lot of people struggling to get Linux to work > > as a news server... > > True, Linux does give you more opportunity to shoot yourself in the foot, > but that is characteristic of the PC platform in general. True :-) Still, my point was, I have run news servers out of the box on 2.0R, 2.0.5R, 2.1.0R, 2.1.5R... even on a GENERIC kernel (but you really need a custom kernel if you want it to work "well", GENERIC seemed to develop problems around 70 simultaneous readers). > > > And its only on a single T1 (so was howland.reston) > > > > Howland? On a single T1? I can ask Enger but I doubt it. > > *shrug* I think it was a Sparc5 or Sparc10 at his house. Hmm. > Its on some horking Ultra up at Erols now... Yes, I know :-) > > Howland had continually rated high on Reid's Top 1000 because back in the > > days when ANS was _THE_ Internet backbone, it was the only major news > > system that was connected directly to ANS and was able to take advantage > > of the ANS backbone's excellent connectivity and 45mbps rates. At least, > > that's how _I_ remember it. :-) > > http://www.freenix.fr/top1000/ Which doesn't go back to the Glory Days of the Internet.. > > Since Howland has recently moved, that may change somewhat, but I don't > > buy that it was on a T1. > > Heh... hunter.premier.net was, and they're rated #4 (would be #3 if GBL > hadn't messed up their path data) > > > > We're running our spool on the CCD right now, but the DPT SmartRAID stuff > > > would be killer. Since I don't directly admin news, the admin that does > > > will probably end up building a Linux box so that the DPT support will be > > > there. Unless FreeBSD drivers suddenly appear... > > > > I'd like that, although going with a real RAID is a possibility too. > > Um... Isn't the DPT stuff "real raid"? Guess you can play with words, but in my opinion, not if it's just a controller... a real RAID includes little things like hot swappability, redundant power, things that require hardware. ;-) I thought when I looked at the DPT stuff it was just a controller like the Adaptec 3985 "RAID" controller, but had some cache RAM on it too. That's great from the computer's point of view, of course... :-) but I am still hesitant to call something that is not a complete solution a "RAID". I will grant it "RAID controller" though. > Now you can go with an external Mylex RAID box but the DPT stuff works > just as well. Up to 3 UltraFastSCSI channels per controller. > > > I generally don't bother with RAID's for news and my performance is pretty > > good. :-) (see: newspump.sol.net) > > Freenix as of July says: > > 59 2.96 newspump.sol.net > > Which isn't bad. :) Can I get a feed from you? Freenix as of July doesn't even LIST you :-) (looking for: "intersurf", maybe I should be looking for something else) Considering that the box was deployed at the beginning of summer and I have not really even started pushing a lot of newsfeeds off of it, the fact that it splashed into the Top 250 it's first month online and the Top 100 it's second month online was pretty impressive I thought. Hmmmmmmmm no wonder, look at my daily transmission totals... TOTALS 1341 1205487 840575 164662 74995 69% 866:44:58 Almost 70% acceptance from remote sites is nice to see.. We can take this offline.. > > > The uncertainty about the MMAP stuff for INN bothers me a bit too... > > > > Why bother using it? I've not seen a noticeable difference either way, > > and finally decided it wasn't worth the "uncertainty" (although in many > > months of operations, I saw few crashes that I attributed to it). > > Cool. I'll pass that along. Actually I think I am still running mmap on news.sol.net... > > > Oh, CCD clue. Stripe size of 2048 is um... st00pid. We were, um... er... > > > testing! thats it. *grin* > > > > > > Have a good one. > > > > > > (BTW, anyone looking to exchange feeds? < 150ms to news.intersurf.net > > > prefered. Innfeed sites a plus.) > > > > I don't even see you on the Freenix Top 1000 list :-) > > Yep, our newsserver was sucking really bad until recently. We were down a > disk and using a really old 2.0.5 SNAP release. Ouch. :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 09:46:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23986 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23981 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18476; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:44:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:44:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608261622.LAA00478@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > Um... Isn't the DPT stuff "real raid"? > > Guess you can play with words, but in my opinion, not if it's just a > controller... a real RAID includes little things like hot swappability, > redundant power, things that require hardware. ;-) Well, the controller doesn't have that, but the SmartRAID cabinet is the geek-box you're looking for. Its a real solution. > I thought when I looked at the DPT stuff it was just a controller like the > Adaptec 3985 "RAID" controller, but had some cache RAM on it too. To an extent, but you can plug them into the DPT box... Here... http://www.dpt.com/raidsys.html It does power management, automatic faulting on errors, individual drive temprature monitoring and will make breakfast on Wednesdays I'm told. > That's great from the computer's point of view, of course... :-) but I am > still hesitant to call something that is not a complete solution a "RAID". > I will grant it "RAID controller" though. Indeed. > Freenix as of July doesn't even LIST you :-) (looking for: "intersurf", > maybe I should be looking for something else) Yep. We suck. I'm not claiming otherwise. > Considering that the box was deployed at the beginning of summer and I > have not really even started pushing a lot of newsfeeds off of it, the fact > that it splashed into the Top 250 it's first month online and the Top 100 > it's second month online was pretty impressive I thought. You'll be in top25 at least by next month. :) > Hmmmmmmmm no wonder, look at my daily transmission totals... > > TOTALS 1341 1205487 840575 164662 74995 69% 866:44:58 > > Almost 70% acceptance from remote sites is nice to see.. > > We can take this offline.. Yes, you're kicking ass. No doubt about that. Its my fondest hope to see 2 or 3 FreeBSD based boxes in top10. I'm gonna do everything I can on my end to try to get ours there. > Actually I think I am still running mmap on news.sol.net... Ah, I won't bother then. *shrug* > > Yep, our newsserver was sucking really bad until recently. We were down a > > disk and using a really old 2.0.5 SNAP release. > > Ouch. :-) Yes, we lost one of our 3 spool disks. (Gag, I know, thats gonna change too) We're running on a P90 with 64meg of ram and 3 4.3 gig Quantum Grand Prix drives on 2 Buslogic 946s controllers. History file is on the OS disk which is a 2.1 gig Quantum Grand Prix. We're using CCD to stripe the 3 spool disks. Zakk (the newsadmin) is currently adding feeds and hopefull we'll start showing up in Freenix. *cross fingers* He's also going to be building a new news box. *evil grin* Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 10:21:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25744 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25739 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30 † id KAA10676; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16235; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608261720.KAA16235@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, craigs@os.com Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 26 Aug 96 10:07:48 -0500. <199608261507.KAA00291@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:20:02 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> And did you need to fo that tweak to UFS meta data updates that makes it >> more like Linux's ext2fs? >I've played with metadata updates before (disabled ATIME and MTIME updates) >but I don't want to do it on a production system until there is an >officially sanctioned method to do so. On the other hand, I've had two NetBSD machines running with all filesystems in async mode for several months, now. One of these machines is getting beat since I'm running lots of benchmarks on it. The X benchmarks, in particular, seem to kill it quite regularly (must be bugs in the 3.1.2E beta server), forcing me to hit reset since X gets totally hung, and it's not networked to anything. I have yet to lose a single file, that I know of, running my drives in async mode. In fact, when it comes back up, I look to see how much of the data it finished collecting in the benchmark file it was writing before I reset it. The file is always there. Of course, your results may vary... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 10:34:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26231 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26226 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA00654; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:33:45 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261733.MAA00654@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:33:44 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at Aug 26, 96 11:44:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Guess you can play with words, but in my opinion, not if it's just a > > controller... a real RAID includes little things like hot swappability, > > redundant power, things that require hardware. ;-) > > Well, the controller doesn't have that, but the SmartRAID cabinet is the > geek-box you're looking for. Its a real solution. > > > I thought when I looked at the DPT stuff it was just a controller like the > > Adaptec 3985 "RAID" controller, but had some cache RAM on it too. > > To an extent, but you can plug them into the DPT box... > > Here... > > http://www.dpt.com/raidsys.html > > It does power management, automatic faulting on errors, individual drive > temprature monitoring and will make breakfast on Wednesdays I'm told. Heyyyyyyyyyy wait a minute here. That looks (from the fuzzy GIF) identical to the nifty DEC "RAIDstor" SC4200 we just got.. the description certainly matches except DEC has a RAID controller stuffed into one of the 5.25" bays... hmm Most fascinating. Wonder if it really is the same basic box.. > > That's great from the computer's point of view, of course... :-) but I am > > still hesitant to call something that is not a complete solution a "RAID". > > I will grant it "RAID controller" though. > > Indeed. > > > Freenix as of July doesn't even LIST you :-) (looking for: "intersurf", > > maybe I should be looking for something else) > > Yep. We suck. I'm not claiming otherwise. :-) > > Considering that the box was deployed at the beginning of summer and I > > have not really even started pushing a lot of newsfeeds off of it, the fact > > that it splashed into the Top 250 it's first month online and the Top 100 > > it's second month online was pretty impressive I thought. > > You'll be in top25 at least by next month. :) I am not that optimistic, that way I will be pleasantly suprised when we make "Top 10" :-) > > Hmmmmmmmm no wonder, look at my daily transmission totals... > > > > TOTALS 1341 1205487 840575 164662 74995 69% 866:44:58 > > > > Almost 70% acceptance from remote sites is nice to see.. > > > > We can take this offline.. > > Yes, you're kicking ass. No doubt about that. > > Its my fondest hope to see 2 or 3 FreeBSD based boxes in top10. > > I'm gonna do everything I can on my end to try to get ours there. Well, go for it. :-) Remember also: news admins who work together can collectively get further than news admins who work independently... I administer several large news servers and do so in concert, this does help a lot. > > Actually I think I am still running mmap on news.sol.net... > > Ah, I won't bother then. *shrug* Yeah, I don't think it matters... but as I noted, I've been using READ on all my new installs. > > > Yep, our newsserver was sucking really bad until recently. We were down a > > > disk and using a really old 2.0.5 SNAP release. > > > > Ouch. :-) > > Yes, we lost one of our 3 spool disks. (Gag, I know, thats gonna change > too) > > We're running on a P90 with 64meg of ram and 3 4.3 gig Quantum Grand Prix > drives on 2 Buslogic 946s controllers. History file is on the OS disk > which is a 2.1 gig Quantum Grand Prix. > > We're using CCD to stripe the 3 spool disks. > > Zakk (the newsadmin) is currently adding feeds and hopefull we'll start > showing up in Freenix. *cross fingers* > > He's also going to be building a new news box. *evil grin* Well, hope it works out. :-) Maybe some of the rants about CCD have been helpful... ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 10:36:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26349 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26344 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird.Think.COM (Early-Bird-1.Think.COM [131.239.146.105]) by mail.think.com (8.7.5/m3) with ESMTP id NAA14741; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compound.Think.COM (fergus-26.dialup.prtel.com [206.10.99.157]) by Early-Bird.Think.COM (8.7.5/e1) with ESMTP id NAA03047; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10693; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:36:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:36:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199608261736.MAA10693@compound.Think.COM> To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news References: <199608261507.KAA00291@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Joe Greco on Mon, 26 August: : I've played with metadata updates before (disabled ATIME and MTIME updates) : but I don't want to do it on a production system until there is an : officially sanctioned method to do so. As I understand it, this is like half way to an async mount? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 10:42:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26685 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26676 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA00675; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:41:22 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261741.MAA00675@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: alk@think.com (Tony Kimball) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:41:22 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199608261736.MAA10693@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at Aug 26, 96 12:36:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Quoth Joe Greco on Mon, 26 August: > : I've played with metadata updates before (disabled ATIME and MTIME updates) > : but I don't want to do it on a production system until there is an > : officially sanctioned method to do so. > > As I understand it, this is like half way to an async mount? It's more like half way to a -ro mount. Sometimes you do not CARE when someone last read a file. It costs lots and lots of disk bandwidth to write that information back on a busy news server where thousands of files are accessed during every 30 second interval. If you do not have to write that information, you now have more disk bandwidth with which to READ more data, which is what you really wanna do. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 10:46:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26988 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26976 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA00687; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:45:04 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261745.MAA00687@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:45:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, michael@memra.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, craigs@os.com In-Reply-To: <199608261720.KAA16235@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at Aug 26, 96 10:20:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> And did you need to fo that tweak to UFS meta data updates that makes it > >> more like Linux's ext2fs? > > >I've played with metadata updates before (disabled ATIME and MTIME updates) > >but I don't want to do it on a production system until there is an > >officially sanctioned method to do so. > > On the other hand, I've had two NetBSD machines running with all > filesystems in async mode for several months, now. One of these > machines is getting beat since I'm running lots of benchmarks on it. > The X benchmarks, in particular, seem to kill it quite regularly (must > be bugs in the 3.1.2E beta server), forcing me to hit reset since X > gets totally hung, and it's not networked to anything. > > I have yet to lose a single file, that I know of, running my drives in > async mode. In fact, when it comes back up, I look to see how much of > the data it finished collecting in the benchmark file it was writing > before I reset it. The file is always there. > > Of course, your results may vary... But async mode will not buy you much in this case...! Async is simply delaying the inevitable, which is already delayed in FreeBSD until the next 30-second sync. I do not want to write metadata at _all_ if all it is is an ATIME update... if I have to write it, now OR later, I am losing bandwidth and transactions per second that I would rather spend reading other data. Now of course if you are doing OTHER things, async is a real win. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 11:04:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28849 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28840 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21264; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:03:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:03:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608261733.MAA00654@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > Heyyyyyyyyyy wait a minute here. > > That looks (from the fuzzy GIF) identical to the nifty DEC "RAIDstor" SC4200 > we just got.. the description certainly matches except DEC has a RAID > controller stuffed into one of the 5.25" bays... hmm Check out the Mylex RAID system. Its a 5.25" form factor RAID unit. They've probably got a DPT style case and a Mylex style RAID controller in one of the 2 5.25" bays. > Most fascinating. Wonder if it really is the same basic box.. The cases probably are the same. > I am not that optimistic, that way I will be pleasantly suprised when we > make "Top 10" :-) It could happen. Clayton didn't think he'd make top 10, but he ended up in #4. That boggled me a bit. > Well, go for it. :-) Remember also: news admins who work together can > collectively get further than news admins who work independently... I > administer several large news servers and do so in concert, this does help > a lot. Well, in a few months 3 of the Top 5 boxes will be at Erols or admined by people at Erols. Look for hunter.premier.net to move to #3, howland.erols.net to take down mci, and news.erols.net to take #2 or #4 or something. It should be good fun. > Well, hope it works out. :-) Maybe some of the rants about CCD have been > helpful... CCD was pretty easy to get working. I'm impressed so far. Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 11:27:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00675 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00670 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30 † id LAA12368; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16542; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608261827.LAA16542@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 26 Aug 96 11:22:47 -0500. <199608261622.LAA00478@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:27:01 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Um... Isn't the DPT stuff "real raid"? >Guess you can play with words, but in my opinion, not if it's just a >controller... a real RAID includes little things like hot swappability, >redundant power, things that require hardware. ;-) >I thought when I looked at the DPT stuff it was just a controller like the >Adaptec 3985 "RAID" controller, but had some cache RAM on it too. Of course, if it is just a controller, there simply is no way to do hot swap. But the controller itself will also do automatic fail-over to standby drives, automatically filling the fail-over with data and bringing it on-line when ready. But, if you buy DPT's SmartRAID drive chassis to go along with the card, you got full hot swap, automatic fail-over, redundant power supplies (and fans), etc. This goes along with the controller's own ability to do automatic fail-over to standby drives, with or without the case, automatic temperature alarms, S.M.A.R.T. technology for predicting drive failures on SCSI drives that support S.M.A.R.T., and its use of ECC memory (if you buy ECC). Of course, you probably need some driver support for all this, so there's no guarantee the Linux driver will support it all, but... It's really pretty cool stuff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 11:31:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00990 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00985 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30 † id LAA12478; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16588; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608261830.LAA16588@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: michael@memra.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, craigs@os.com Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 26 Aug 96 12:45:04 -0500. <199608261745.MAA00687@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:30:49 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> And did you need to fo that tweak to UFS meta data updates that makes it >> >> more like Linux's ext2fs? >> >I've played with metadata updates before (disabled ATIME and MTIME updates) >> >but I don't want to do it on a production system until there is an >> >officially sanctioned method to do so. >> On the other hand, I've had two NetBSD machines running with all >> filesystems in async mode for several months, now. One of these >But async mode will not buy you much in this case...! Async is simply >delaying the inevitable, which is already delayed in FreeBSD until the next >30-second sync. I do not want to write metadata at _all_ if all it is is >an ATIME update... if I have to write it, now OR later, I am losing >bandwidth and transactions per second that I would rather spend reading >other data. Not completely. What if the data that is being postponed changes two or three times while it's in the cache. When it finally gets written, you just wrote once what would have been written two or three more times. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 11:52:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02301 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02292 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA00979; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:49:35 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608261849.NAA00979@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:49:34 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, michael@memra.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, craigs@os.com In-Reply-To: <199608261830.LAA16588@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon" at Aug 26, 96 11:30:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >But async mode will not buy you much in this case...! Async is simply > >delaying the inevitable, which is already delayed in FreeBSD until the next > >30-second sync. I do not want to write metadata at _all_ if all it is is > >an ATIME update... if I have to write it, now OR later, I am losing > >bandwidth and transactions per second that I would rather spend reading > >other data. > > Not completely. What if the data that is being postponed changes two > or three times while it's in the cache. When it finally gets written, > you just wrote once what would have been written two or three more > times. First thing, on a news server, it ain't terribly likely to happen. Second thing, that already happens, because FreeBSD only flushes once every thirty seconds. inode updates are already async. What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 12:14:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07059 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07051 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19448; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608261910.NAA19448@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Joe Greco Cc: michaelv@mindbender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608261849.NAA00979@brasil.moneng.mei.com> References: <199608261830.LAA16588@MindBender.serv.net> <199608261849.NAA00979@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes > over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. Use MFS for your news spool partition. :) You *have* to write them down sometime unless you have gigabytes of battery backed memory. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 12:15:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07181 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07145 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA21209; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608261912.PAA21209@ns2.harborcom.net> From: "Bradley Dunn" To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:04:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm...Would one be able to bring PRI in over two T1s and use only one of the 48 channels as a D? Or would you still need a backup D on the second T1? What kind of termination equipment is necessary, would a Cisco AS5200 work? Bradley Dunn Harbor Communications ---------- > From: Matthew N. Dodd > To: Robert Shady > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 > Date: Monday, August 26, 1996 4:38 AM > > On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Robert Shady wrote: > > ISDN Primary Rate Interface Service is 23 ISDN B channels, and a single > > ISDN D channel coming in over a single T1. The original post was meant to > > Actually you can do whatever you want to with a PRI. There are pre NI-2 > standards that allow you do do what NFAS does on the DMS and on 5ESS's > running older software. > > So you can have any arbitrary number of B channels delivered over any > number of T1 lines and have Primary and Backup D channels. > > For example, when I add a 3rd PRI, I'm not going to order it with a D > channel. I'll get 24 B's on that line, and I'll use the D channel on one > of my other lines. > > I'm aware of Meridian systems that have a primary and a backup D channel > and 3 to 4 hundred B channels, all delivered over T1s or T3s. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 12:25:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07785 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MediaCity.com (root@easy1.mediacity.com [205.216.172.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07780 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brian@localhost) by MediaCity.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA09327; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:22:41 -0700 From: Brian Litzinger Message-Id: <199608261922.MAA09327@MediaCity.com> Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Michael Dillon at "Aug 24, 96 00:21:35 am" Reply-To: brian@MediaCity.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Mr. Jason A. Borgmann wrote: > > > Hello, I am in the process of starting an ISP in my area. I was wondering > > if any of you could list the pros/cons of using a T1 over a 128k ISDN > > (besides speed). > Michael Dillon wrote: > If the T1 breaks the telco will fix it fast because T1 is a business data > service. If ISDN breaks the telco will fix when they get around to it, > maybe tomorrow or the next day, because ISDN is just a consumer dialup > service anyway. > It isn't necessarily the line type that determines how the Telco will respond. In PacBell land, if you are a "priority business customer" you get priority service on all your circuits. If the only circuit you have is a single standard ISDN, you probably won't be a priority business customer. On the other hand a couple extention centrex ISDN group will probably do it. -- Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD http[s]://www.mpress.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 12:38:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09287 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09282 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24614; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:38:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Bradley Dunn cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 128k ISDN vs. T1 In-Reply-To: <199608261912.PAA21209@ns2.harborcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Bradley Dunn wrote: > Hmmm...Would one be able to bring PRI in over two T1s and use only one of > the 48 channels as a D? Or would you still need a backup D on the second > T1? What kind of termination equipment is necessary, would a Cisco AS5200 > work? I'd strongly reccomend you always have a primary and a backup on each chassis. You can loose one or the other (but not both). Single points of failure really suck. Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:05:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11743 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11736 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA01517; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:02:50 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608262002.PAA01517@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, michaelv@mindbender.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608261910.NAA19448@rocky.mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Aug 26, 96 01:10:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes > > over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. > > Use MFS for your news spool partition. :) > > You *have* to write them down sometime unless you have gigabytes of > battery backed memory. Why? Of what practical value or use is writing back data which will never be looked at? Think about it: if you were to unmount your news spool and remount it -ro, nnrpd would continue to work just fine because NOTHING ever looks at the file atime value (which FFS can't/won't modify if you mount -ro)... and if the only reason you are doing an update is to write back the modified atime, what the hell is the value of doing the write? I would agree that writing out the mtime is necessary (or better: "free") during article creation because you're writing out the other data at the same time, but I do not see the value in updating hundreds or thousands of atime's every 30 seconds just because somebody read those files. Now if I had gigabytes of battery backed memory, I might just make the entire news spool a MFS.. that could be fast... just gotta wait for RAM prices to drop a bit more. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:09:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12124 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12100 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20286; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608262005.OAA20286@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Joe Greco Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), michaelv@mindbender.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608262002.PAA01517@brasil.moneng.mei.com> References: <199608261910.NAA19448@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199608262002.PAA01517@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes > > > over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. > > > > Use MFS for your news spool partition. :) > > > > You *have* to write them down sometime unless you have gigabytes of > > battery backed memory. > > Why? > > Of what practical value or use is writing back data which will never be > looked at? Maybe I'm confused, but I see the discussion talking about ATIME writes, and normal writes, and there being no distinction made between when you are talking about one or the other. > Think about it: if you were to unmount your news spool and remount it -ro, > nnrpd would continue to work just fine because NOTHING ever looks at the > file atime value (which FFS can't/won't modify if you mount -ro)... and if > the only reason you are doing an update is to write back the modified atime, > what the hell is the value of doing the write? POSIX compliancy. :) I was under the impression that you didn't even want to write out the actual data itself. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:16:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12753 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12740 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird.Think.COM (Early-Bird-1.Think.COM [131.239.146.105]) by mail.think.com (8.7.5/m3) with ESMTP id QAA04356; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compound.Think.COM (fergus-26.dialup.prtel.com [206.10.99.157]) by Early-Bird.Think.COM (8.7.5/e1) with ESMTP id QAA05732; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11717; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:17:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:17:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199608262017.PAA11717@compound.Think.COM> To: sckhoo@asiapac.net Cc: alk@think.com, xiyuan@npc.haplink.co.cn, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail storage References: <199608250325.LAA05771@gandalf.asiapac.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Swee-Chuan Khoo on Sun, 25 August: : : >>Why not just write a tiny little inetd service to run : >>sendmail -q when you get a packet from their server? : : okay, regarding the perl hack, i need some help on this. Here, make it *really* easy, add this to /etc/aliases and run newaliases: sendmail: "| /usr/local/bin/sendmail -q" then when the client goes online they use a command-line mail agent to send an empty message to sendmail@your.server. Here's one in perl -- just change the #! for NT and the "localhost" for the client addr. #!/usr/bin/perl ($name,$aliases,$proto) = getprotobyname('tcp'); ($name,$aliases,$type,$len,$thataddr) = gethostbyname('localhost'); socket(S, 2, 1, $proto) || die $!; connect(S,pack('S n a4 x8', 2, 25, $thataddr)) || die "connect: $!"; select(S); $| = 1; select(STDOUT); chop($date = `date`); chop($hostname = `hostname`); print S "helo $hostname\n" || die $!; print S "mail from: smagent@$hostname\n" || die $!; print S "rcpt to: alk\n" || die $!; print S "data\nRequest spool at $date\n.\n" || $!; print S "quit\n" || die $!; close(S) || die $!; print "done\n"; exit(0); From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:17:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12979 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12970 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird.Think.COM (Early-Bird-1.Think.COM [131.239.146.105]) by mail.think.com (8.7.5/m3) with ESMTP id QAA04860; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compound.Think.COM (fergus-26.dialup.prtel.com [206.10.99.157]) by Early-Bird.Think.COM (8.7.5/e1) with ESMTP id QAA05764; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11720; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:18:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:18:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199608262018.PAA11720@compound.Think.COM> To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, michaelv@mindbender.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news References: <199608261830.LAA16588@MindBender.serv.net> <199608261849.NAA00979@brasil.moneng.mei.com> <199608261910.NAA19448@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Nate Williams on Mon, 26 August: : > What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes : > over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. : : Use MFS for your news spool partition. :) Assuming I have a few gig of ram, what about swapping? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:18:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13000 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12991 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA01571; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:14:38 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608262014.PAA01571@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:14:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, nate@mt.sri.com, michaelv@mindbender.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608262005.OAA20286@rocky.mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Aug 26, 96 02:05:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Why? > > > > Of what practical value or use is writing back data which will never be > > looked at? > > Maybe I'm confused, but I see the discussion talking about ATIME writes, > and normal writes, and there being no distinction made between when you > are talking about one or the other. Oh, sorry, I thought it was clear that we were talking about useless metadata writes :-) > > Think about it: if you were to unmount your news spool and remount it -ro, > > nnrpd would continue to work just fine because NOTHING ever looks at the > > file atime value (which FFS can't/won't modify if you mount -ro)... and if > > the only reason you are doing an update is to write back the modified atime, > > what the hell is the value of doing the write? > > POSIX compliancy. :) Phahff. Screw POSIX compliancy if it's an optional brokenness and it makes life better. DG has mentioned that it's a real problem for him on wcarchive in the past, too... and there are some of us who understand the need for standards compliance but also appreciate that there are times that the rules can be safely bent. :-) > I was under the impression that you didn't even want to write out the > actual data itself. :) Well. Let's see... Usenet... 90% noise... you know that might just be a workable concept. Only 1/2 :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:22:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13341 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13331 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20405; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608262017.OAA20405@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Joe Greco Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), michaelv@mindbender.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608262014.PAA01571@brasil.moneng.mei.com> References: <199608262005.OAA20286@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199608262014.PAA01571@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Think about it: if you were to unmount your news spool and remount >>> it -ro, nnrpd would continue to work just fine because NOTHING ever >>> looks at the file atime value (which FFS can't/won't modify if you >>> mount -ro)... and if the only reason you are doing an update is to >>> write back the modified atime, what the hell is the value of doing >>> the write? >> >> POSIX compliancy. :) > > Phahff. Screw POSIX compliancy if it's an optional brokenness and it makes > life better. DG has mentioned that it's a real problem for him on wcarchive > in the past, too... and there are some of us who understand the need for > standards compliance but also appreciate that there are times that the rules > can be safely bent. :-) UnionFS would be a *really* good solution in this case. You'd allow someone to have 'read/write' priviledges to the FS (inn, maintainers, etc..), but then re-mount it somewhere else read-only, thus disabling ATIME writes and only allowing read-only FS's. The best of both worlds. Otherwise, I think if you added a flag to the FS to disable ATIME updates for specific filesystems you might get DG to add it. (hint hint! ;) Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:47:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14821 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vic.cioe.com (vic.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14816 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by vic.cioe.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01738 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:47:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199608262047.PAA01738@vic.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: nntp proxy? (transparent) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking for a piece of software that will let me do the following: act as an nntp (nnrp) server for the sake of users reading mail, but get its articles from a different system... hopefully cacheing these messages locally for the next request. I understand theirs a program called 'dnews' or something similar that will do the job under NT, what about FreeBSD? What this will do is allow only one server to get the whole 25K newsgroups worth of feed and distribute the newsreaders to another machine or two that doesn't need as many resources (disk space, memory, etc...). -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:53:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15143 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15121 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA01720; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:52:05 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608262052.PAA01720@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:52:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, nate@mt.sri.com, michaelv@mindbender.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608262017.OAA20405@rocky.mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Aug 26, 96 02:17:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Phahff. Screw POSIX compliancy if it's an optional brokenness and it makes > > life better. DG has mentioned that it's a real problem for him on wcarchive > > in the past, too... and there are some of us who understand the need for > > standards compliance but also appreciate that there are times that the rules > > can be safely bent. :-) > > UnionFS would be a *really* good solution in this case. You'd allow > someone to have 'read/write' priviledges to the FS (inn, maintainers, > etc..), but then re-mount it somewhere else read-only, thus disabling > ATIME writes and only allowing read-only FS's. I don't know about UnionFS... but in the name of thoroughness let me go build a kernel.. Damn. Instant crash. The comments in LINT do mention that it is buggy. > The best of both worlds. Otherwise, I think if you added a flag to the > FS to disable ATIME updates for specific filesystems you might get DG to > add it. (hint hint! ;) We discussed it in the past, both DG and I have come up with implementations that we were not happy with for one reason or another (me, my solution was probably naive because I have zippo familiarity with FFS internals, DG's solution probably had technical correctness on it's side but for some reason didn't work in all cases, or something like that). ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 13:55:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15284 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15268 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA01731; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:53:13 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608262053.PAA01731@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: alk@think.com (Tony Kimball) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:53:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, michaelv@mindbender.serv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608262018.PAA11720@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at Aug 26, 96 03:18:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Quoth Nate Williams on Mon, 26 August: > : > What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes > : > over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. > : > : Use MFS for your news spool partition. :) > > Assuming I have a few gig of ram, what about swapping? If you can afford a few gig of RAM, you can affort a few hundred meg more to avoid swapping. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 14:14:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16522 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16517 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13955; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199608262114.RAA13955@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.isp References: <4vt3h1$1mcf@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.isp you write: >> > > What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes >> > > over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. >> > >> > Use MFS for your news spool partition. :) >> > >> > You *have* to write them down sometime unless you have gigabytes of >> > battery backed memory. >> >> Why? >> >> Of what practical value or use is writing back data which will never be >> looked at? >Maybe I'm confused, but I see the discussion talking about ATIME writes, >and normal writes, and there being no distinction made between when you >are talking about one or the other. >> Think about it: if you were to unmount your news spool and remount it -ro, >> nnrpd would continue to work just fine because NOTHING ever looks at the >> file atime value (which FFS can't/won't modify if you mount -ro)... and if >> the only reason you are doing an update is to write back the modified atime, >> what the hell is the value of doing the write? >POSIX compliancy. :) Im looking at replacing our news server with a huge FreeBSD system, and was wondering why not have a fstab options (noatime,nomtime) that disables the writing of [AM]TIME data? That shouldnt be *too* difficult to add.. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 14:40:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18018 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18008 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mlcoh.loop.com (mlcoh.loop.com [204.179.169.6]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA20285; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:37:26 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960826214112.00726058@pop.loop.com> X-Sender: greg@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:41:12 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, isp-telco@bsd1.sytex.net From: Greg Wiley Subject: Heads Up Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dialup Providers- This is one from a number of comments on this subject being discussed in the TELECOM list. This one points out the need for our voices to be heard by the regu- lators. Whether you're for or against the usage charges, you need to be heard or the issue will be resolved with- out you. -greg >To: greg >Subject: more from telcom group re: isps and co capacities > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 15:27:53 -0700 >From: lars@anchor.RNS.COM (Lars Poulsen) >Subject: Can ISP Dial-ins Really Cause Blocking in the CO? > > >Both in TELECOM Digest and on the COM-PRIV mailing list, the issue has >been raised about telephone companies complaining to the regulatory >authority that home access to the Internet through modem dial-in to >a local ISP places an undue burden on the local exchange facilities, >and the telco wants a regulatory change to put an end to this "misuse" >which is caused by the availability of flat rate local calling. > >As a suggested remedy, at least in the US, the telco wants ISPs to >be subject to the same two cent per minute access charges as the long- >distance telephone carriers. > >Many outside of the telco management are sceptical of these claims of >blocking, and observe that this request for tariff relief (which ISPs >claim will drive them out of business) comes just as the telcos >themselves are getting ready to roll out internet access services. > >The following quote from a knowledgeable journalist is illustrative: > > The [telcos] aren't provisioning their switches in suburban > areas to provide access rates at anything near the blocking > rates. > > In the city areas I am told that the modern switches are > usually provisioned to something near the 70-75% blocking rate > limit, while in suburban areas it is down around the 30%. So, > suburban calls are more likely to come up against the busy > barrier - however, no one I know has ever seen this happen at > times when people are surfing the Internet - which, is 9 to 11 > at night. > > The problem is that the carrier is claiming that the Internet > users are pushing the 'technical limits' of their exchange, and > leaving everyone with the suggestion that it would be a very > expensive thing to fix. In fact, we see no limit, and it is a > financial decision rather than a technical one. > >The carrier argument is cogently expressed by Bell Atlantic: > > Bell Atlantic did a study of the impact of the Internet explosion > during February and March, 1996. We submitted the study to the >Federal > Communications Commission. ... > > We have posted both the article and the original study on the >Bell > Atlantic Internet site (http://ba.com/ea/fcc). > >The study shows that there are in fact some exchanges where Internet >access traffic has exceeded the traditional busy hour, creating a new >busy hour during the evening hours, around 9 PM. In particular, this >seems to happen where a suburban area with no concentration of >business subscribers acquires an ISP. Such a bedroom community may for >years have been served by a Remote Switching Unit (RSU) using a >minimum amount of connection paths within the RSU and an even smaller >amount of trunkage to connect the RSU to the main switch, located in >another community. > >The typical subscriber line in this area may have had 20 minutes of >local calls per day and 10 minutes of calls outside of the RSU. As the >ISP moves in, some percentage of the residences now have 120 minutes >of internet access per day (i.e. five to six times to previous >traffic), and if the ISP is on the main switch, this new traffic >requires interoffice trunkage (so that the need for interoffice >trunkage for these subscribers is 12-15 times the previous >traffic). If the ISP is located on the same RSU, they take up a number >of line groups which will be fully loaded during the busy >hour. According to the Bell Atlantic report, each line group module >can accept 512 station ports, but provides only 64 channels into the >switching fabric. Thus, it is much more expensive to equip the RSU to >accommodate the ISP lines. > >After pondering these facts for a while, I realize that this doesn't >have to be a problem. If the telco spreads the ISP lines evenly across >the switch (putting no more than 16 on any one 512-port module) the >switch as described can easily take the load. > >Friends, if we are to survive this assault, we need to educate the >commissioners, so that they will be able to understand that the >"dangerous overload caused by ISP traffic" is just another >manifestation of a total failure of the telcos to understand the >nature of Internet access, leading to a failure to construct a working >network out of the perfectly good building blocks that they have on >hand. > >In the long run, I think we are nearing the end of flat-rate local >calls for residential subscribers. Back in February, I wrote an >article about the issues, it is still available on: > http://www.silcom.com/~lars/editorial/telecom.html > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 14:45:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18464 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18459 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA15639; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608262145.OAA15639@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:14:16 EDT." <199608262114.RAA13955@crh.cl.msu.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:45:25 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In lists.freebsd.isp you write: > >>> > > What I want is a solution which postpones the writes until hell freezes >>> > > over. Or, better yet, doesn't do them at all. >>> > >>> > Use MFS for your news spool partition. :) >>> > >>> > You *have* to write them down sometime unless you have gigabytes of >>> > battery backed memory. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> Of what practical value or use is writing back data which will never be >>> looked at? > >>Maybe I'm confused, but I see the discussion talking about ATIME writes, >>and normal writes, and there being no distinction made between when you >>are talking about one or the other. > >>> Think about it: if you were to unmount your news spool and remount it -ro, >>> nnrpd would continue to work just fine because NOTHING ever looks at the >>> file atime value (which FFS can't/won't modify if you mount -ro)... and if >>> the only reason you are doing an update is to write back the modified atime, >>> what the hell is the value of doing the write? > >>POSIX compliancy. :) > >Im looking at replacing our news server with a huge FreeBSD system, and was >wondering why not have a fstab options (noatime,nomtime) that disables the >writing of [AM]TIME data? That shouldnt be *too* difficult to add.. I've already written the code. There was a bug that was causing the flag to not be propagated correctly in the kernel that I haven't had time to fix. I'm starting to get interested in this again for wcarchive, so perhaps I'll dig out the changes in the next few days. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 15:07:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19779 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19772 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mlcoh.loop.com (mlcoh.loop.com [204.179.169.6]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA23457 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:04:44 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960826220830.0072f7f4@pop.loop.com> X-Sender: greg@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:08:30 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Greg Wiley Subject: Re: nntp proxy? (transparent) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >act as an nntp (nnrp) server for the sake of users reading mail, >but get its articles from a different system... hopefully cacheing >these messages locally for the next request. > >I understand theirs a program called 'dnews' or something similar that >will do the job under NT, what about FreeBSD? We looked into dnews for the same purpose. It does work under FreeBSD. However, while the software supports what they call a "sucking feed", it does not support a true cache. The articles are indeed downloaded from the feeding server when they are needed but then they expire under one of the normal expiration plans. There is no "re-sucking" so to speak. That made dnews unusable for our purposes. I haven't seen the white paper but I recently noticed that Netscape advertises a news proxy service in their intranet solutions. Maybe they mean an article caching server. We are going to check that out. -greg From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 15:24:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20927 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.tioga.com (root@falcon.tioga.com [205.146.65.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20921 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tbalfe@localhost) by falcon.tioga.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA28910; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:26:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Balfe To: Dave Andersen cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http tester In-Reply-To: <199608260705.BAA06100@terra.aros.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, cool, I'm messing with it now, but I'll have to mess further later, I am not familiar with it totally. ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com President http://www.tioga.com/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 ======================================================================== "Humanity has been compared...to a sleeper who handles matches in his sleep and wakes to find himself in flames." - H.G. Wells The World Set Free 1914 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 16:51:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24459 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecpi.com (ecpi.com [205.238.159.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24453 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA23831 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:02:06 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:02:06 GMT From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199608261902.TAA23831@ecpi.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: atapi.flp file missing with 2.1.5 CD ROM Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just got 2.1.5 CDROM and I am trying to make atapi boot floppy, but there is no such file in the floppies directory. Is it not required or is it missing? Tushar tushar@ecpi.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 16:54:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24609 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24602 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01354; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:07:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA07277; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:51:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Greg Wiley cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, isp-telco@bsd1.sytex.net Subject: Re: Heads Up In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960826214112.00726058@pop.loop.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Greg Wiley wrote: > Dialup Providers- > > This is one from a number of comments on this subject > being discussed in the TELECOM list. This one points > out the need for our voices to be heard by the regu- > lators. Whether you're for or against the usage charges, > you need to be heard or the issue will be resolved with- > out you. Well, you might want to consider joining the ISP Consortium and speak with a united voice. Info at http://www.ispc.org Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 18:13:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02874 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02869 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brice.globaldialog.com (marijuana@s05b.globaldialog.com [156.46.146.69]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21599 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:12:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827001120.0069f8a0@pop.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: brice@pop.globaldialog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:11:20 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brice Subject: unsubscribe Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe //.x.X.( Brice ~ brice@globaldialog.com ) .X.x.\\ \\HomePage http://www.globaldialog.com/~brice // //`'---====-- --===== ===----===----- ===---// \\"Picture a bright blue ball just spinnin'..|| \\ Spinnin' Free" -Garcia & the Dead <----/// .x.X.{ Shakedown Street, Wisconsin }.X.x. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 26 20:51:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04945 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04920 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id WAA02211; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:49:53 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608270349.WAA02211@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:49:53 -0500 (CDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608262145.OAA15639@root.com> from "David Greenman" at Aug 26, 96 02:45:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Im looking at replacing our news server with a huge FreeBSD system, and was > >wondering why not have a fstab options (noatime,nomtime) that disables the > >writing of [AM]TIME data? That shouldnt be *too* difficult to add.. > > I've already written the code. There was a bug that was causing the flag to > not be propagated correctly in the kernel that I haven't had time to fix. I'm > starting to get interested in this again for wcarchive, so perhaps I'll dig > out the changes in the next few days. You would have my undying gratitude if you did..! Wait, you already do for past events... I for one would REAALLLLY like to see this. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 06:56:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA06275 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 06:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tav.kiev.ua (tav-sita.sita.kiev.ua [193.124.50.39]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA06269 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 06:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from helg@localhost) by tav.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA16307; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:41:35 +0300 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:41:35 +0300 From: Oleg N Panashchenko Message-Id: <199608271341.QAA16307@tav.kiev.ua> To: steve@cioe.com (Steve Ames) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nntp proxy? (transparent) Organization: Maxis Labs X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199608262047.PAA01738@vic.cioe.com> you wrote: : I'm looking for a piece of software that will let me do the following: : act as an nntp (nnrp) server for the sake of users reading mail, : but get its articles from a different system... hopefully cacheing : these messages locally for the next request. Look at nntpcache at ftp.nntpcache.org Oleg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 07:08:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA06749 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06744 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA00239 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 05:05:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 05:05:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199608271005.FAA00239@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: Long Delay while booting Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When rebooted there is a long delay (2~5 minutes) after displaying: ep0: flags=..... inet ..... lo0: flags=...... .... What causes this? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 08:09:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA09420 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cruz.isle.net (root@cruz.isle.net [204.140.227.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA09415 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from john (router1port14.isle.net [204.140.227.237]) by cruz.isle.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA06169 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:55:33 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827150916.006db390@isle.net> X-Sender: johns@isle.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:09:16 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: John Scharles Subject: freebsd as a terminal server Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can freebsd be setup (without get hacking that is) to become a portmaster clone? By that I mean by putting in a multiport card can I use some other computer (say a NT server running radius...don't ask why) to do the authentication rather than normal login that freebsd would use? Also if this would work how would adding a card from ET to allow routing to a T1 line affect the performance of the freebsd machine? John Scharles From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 08:36:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA10300 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isot.isot.com (root@internet-of-texas.Houston.mci.net [204.70.37.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10293 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gism.isot.com (gism.isot.com [206.24.68.34]) by isot.isot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA00595 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 06:33:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 06:33:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199608271133.GAA00595@isot.isot.com> X-Sender: gism@ns.isot.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Global Internet Shopping Mall Subject: /usr/sbin/pppd Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After configure kernel ppp, I loged in from remote and tried to run /usr/sbin/pppd, but sys tells me no file found. I even tried move into the dir and tried pppd and ./pppd with same result "no file found" and the file is there. Any idea??? Felix. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 10:20:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16109 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16100 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mailman@localhost) by adsight.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01775; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:15:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: Global Internet Shopping Mall cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/pppd In-Reply-To: <199608271133.GAA00595@isot.isot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Have you gone into /etc/ppp directory and created your ppp.conf file (and others) from the samples provided? On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Global Internet Shopping Mall wrote: > After configure kernel ppp, I loged in from remote and tried to run > /usr/sbin/pppd, but sys tells me no file found. I even tried move into the > dir and tried pppd and ./pppd with same result "no file found" and the file > is there. Any idea??? > > Felix. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 11:17:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19038 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.netpath.net (server1.netpath.net [205.139.153.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19018; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bubba@localhost) by server1.netpath.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA07907; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:17:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:17:04 -0400 From: Bubba Bubba Message-Id: <199608271817.OAA07907@server1.netpath.net> To: dennis@etinc.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.1.5-RELEASE omission Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk q  From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 14:45:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA02263 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02252 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00364; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:44:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Sam Magee cc: Global Internet Shopping Mall , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/pppd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Have you gone into /etc/ppp directory and created your ppp.conf file > (and others) from the samples provided? Just a correction... ppp.conf is for iijppp (/usr/sbin/ppp). For kernel PPP (/usr/sbin/pppd) the file is /etc/ppp/options It gets confusing, having two PPP programs with config files in the same directory. :-/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 19:12:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA16493 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA16484; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Message-Id: <199608280212.TAA16484@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Long Delay while booting To: gism@isot.isot.com (Global Internet Shopping Mall) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608271005.FAA00239@isot.isot.com> from "Global Internet Shopping Mall" at Aug 27, 96 05:05:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Global Internet Shopping Mall writes: > > When rebooted there is a long delay (2~5 minutes) after displaying: > ep0: flags=..... > inet ..... > lo0: flags=...... > .... > > > What causes this? It's probably a name server timeout. Check that you don't have domain name referencess that you can't resolve locally, since at this point the name server isn't running. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 27 22:43:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02306 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02294; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA26445; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:43:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao Reply-To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L cc: FREEBSD-ISP-L Subject: Another pointless contest... gigantic passwd files? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't have any FreeBSD servers that have 400-day uptimes (although our Majordomo server is at 102 days now), but I figure one of our servers may have the largest passwd file around. :) # cd /etc # ls -ls *passwd *pwd.db 7632 -rw------- 1 root wheel 7806209 Aug 27 18:16 master.passwd 5936 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6063368 Aug 27 19:02 passwd 38936 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 41750528 Aug 27 18:58 pwd.db 43752 -rw------- 1 root wheel 73437184 Aug 27 19:02 spwd.db # wc -l passwd 102531 passwd Generating the db files with a pwd_mkdb modifed with cachesize set to 64MB cache took about 45 minutes on a P133 while handling mail and primary DNS (named was occupying about 30MB itself). It was swapping rather heavily, and I think I can get the time to under half an hour on an unloaded system with 128MB of RAM. Now to figure out what we're going to do with NFS's 16-bit uid's and the best way to handle mail for 100,000 users... (replies set to freebsd-chat) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Senior Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 28 06:11:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA25503 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25498 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mailman@localhost) by adsight.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA02812; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:06:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:06:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: Steve Reid cc: Global Internet Shopping Mall , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/pppd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That makes sense, but is that still the answer to the original problem -- missing config/options file? On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Steve Reid wrote: > > Have you gone into /etc/ppp directory and created your ppp.conf file > > (and others) from the samples provided? > > Just a correction... > ppp.conf is for iijppp (/usr/sbin/ppp). For kernel PPP (/usr/sbin/pppd) > the file is /etc/ppp/options > > It gets confusing, having two PPP programs with config files in the same > directory. :-/ > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 28 08:50:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05953 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hon.hn ([206.48.105.210]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05921 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hon.hn.hon.hn (si1.hon.hn [206.48.253.70]) by hon.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02405 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:49:55 GMT Message-ID: <3223C19B.3AA3@hon.hn> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:48:43 +0600 From: "Samuel E. Romero" Reply-To: ser@hon.hn Organization: Honduras On Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Help with sio overflow with Bocaboard 16 (BB2016) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to set up a server to be an ISP, and I'm using the Bocaboard 2016. The machine is a P150/48MB/2GB IDE. I'm using the Motorola 28.8 ModemSURFER for the incoming modems. I can connect trough the modem using a terminal comm program, buy as soon as I start to 'upload' something using zmodem, I get several 'sio overflow' messages and the program doesn't connect. Have somebody used this board with any look?. I'm using FreeBSD-2.1.5R for the host. -- Samuel E. Romero Soluciones Internacionales ser@hon.hn Honduras On Net Tel. CC:(504)39-0547 Tegucigalpa, M.D.C. Honduras, C.A. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 28 09:20:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10562 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hon.hn ([206.48.105.210]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10542 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hon.hn.hon.hn (si1.hon.hn [206.48.253.70]) by hon.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03568 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:20:33 GMT Message-ID: <3223C8C9.14BB@hon.hn> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:19:21 +0600 From: "Samuel E. Romero" Reply-To: ser@hon.hn Organization: Honduras On Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Help with sioo overflow with BB2016 - more. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've looked in the mailing lists for some help and followed the instructions in them about making some changes to sio without luck. The same happens even with the "FIFO" buffer changed to 8 or 4 in sio.c. I can't send anything more than the typed chars from the calling machine because when something realy fast is sent, the silo overflow message appears and the host doesn't receive anything. I've no luck connecting at 115200, 57600, nor 19200 bps. The modems had CTS/RTS on, and it is also configured on the serial ports for the bocaboard. Any help? -- Samuel E. Romero Soluciones Internacionales ser@hon.hn Honduras On Net Tel. CC:(504)39-0547 Tegucigalpa, M.D.C. Honduras, C.A. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 28 17:50:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22287 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22252 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by www.haplink.co.cn (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA23489 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:52:04 +0900 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:52:04 +0900 From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199608282352.IAA23489@www.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Help on compile SmartList Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I do need your help since I am very unformiliar with C programming. When I try to setup SmartList (maillist) on my host FreeBSD2.1-stable, I get the following error. cc -c -O formail.c formail.c:38: warning: `daemon' redeclared as different kind of symbol /usr/include/stdlib.h:147: previous declaration of `daemon' formail.c:38: `daemon' was decared `extern' and later `static' **** error code 1 stop --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 28 19:16:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA02240 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02228 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06315; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:29:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03802; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:13:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: iap@vma.cc.nd.edu cc: linuxisp@jeffnet.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, os2-isp@dental.stat.com, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Join ISP-MARKETING New List! (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:24:16 -0500 From: "Christopher M. Sevcik" Reply-To: inet-access@earth.com To: inet-access@earth.com Subject: Join ISP-MARKETING New List! Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Resent-From: inet-access@earth.com Hello ISP Folks: Learn Why Most ISP's Fail To Achieve The Profits And Sales They Deserve.... Because many of you have mentioned interest in developing a ISP-MARKETING list for the discussion on how to market your Internet products and services more effectively and with a higher return on your investment, I have created a list for this discussion and will be sinking thousands of dollars into the isp-marketing web site that you will see up shortly. One of the major reasons I am certain many ISP's will fail, is *not* because of lack of intelligence or lack of technical skill, but rather lack of sales, lack of enough customers, lack of marketing knowledge. If this is you or you are a seasoned pro, we need both groups to join this list and let the sharing begin. I am not a tech geek. I am a marketing geek. So many of you have contributed to my knowledge base on the technical aspects of this internet business, that I wanted to find a way to give back, and this list is exactly that. to subscribe, send a email to: majordomo@sparknet.net with the words in the body: subscribe isp-marketing This is a closed list and only ISP Marketing related discussion will be allowed. Don't be left out. Find out how your peers are marketing and take away ideas you can use to be more effective and leverage your business in your community! Thanks for your time and I hope to see you on the ISP-Marketing List! Christopher M. 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From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 01:18:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24223 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esimene.cynet.net.au (root@esimene.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24194 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from warpy.cynet.net.au (warpy.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.100]) by esimene.cynet.net.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00191 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:18:10 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199608290818.SAA00191@esimene.cynet.net.au> From: Mikel Lindsaar Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 18:17:59 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Virtual Hosting and Apache X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.1 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Right. Let me see if I have this straight (it is working for one domain but I am not sure if it will work for more) I am using Apache 1.0.5 and FreeBSD 2.1.0 Stable I want to virtual host www.my.com.au and www.au.some.com. Under /usr/local/etc/http/conf/httpd.conf I have the following (relevant only) [Begin Sniplette] BindAddress * ServerAdmin webmaster@cynet.net.au DocumentRoot /www/virtual/www.my.com.au ServerName www.my.com.au ErrorLog logs/www.my.com.au-error_log TransferLog logs/www.my.com.au-access_log ServerAdmin webmaster@cynet.net.au DocumentRoot /www/virtual/www.au.some.com ServerName www.au.some.com ErrorLog logs/www.au.some.com-error_log TransferLog logs/www.au.some.com-access_log [EndSniplette] I have created the directories /www/virtual/www.my.com.au and /www/virtual/www.au.some.com and put the relevant files in there. I have organised the following DNS entries to be put in their appropriate files: www.my.com.au. IN A 203.24.16.10 <== "unused" IP Address www.au.some.com. IN A 203.24.16.12 <== "unused" IP Address 10 IN PTR www.my.com.au. 12 IN PTR www.au.some.com. Now. Does anyone see any problems with this? And can I keep doing this until I run out of system resources (ram, hdd, processor speed)? Also. Does the virtual hosting only apply to complete domains? Or can you virtual host a single name of a domain? Such as in the above example, creating an entry for computer1.cynet.net.au when the httpd process is running on www.cynet.net.au? Thanks all for your time Regards and Salutations, Mikel -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mikel Lindsaar | "The dream is the foundation, mikel@cynet.net.au | of our society!" ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 03:42:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA01364 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01359 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05389; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:41:54 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:41:53 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Mikel Lindsaar cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtual Hosting and Apache In-Reply-To: <199608290818.SAA00191@esimene.cynet.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Mikel Lindsaar wrote: [stuff deleted which looks fine] > I have organised the following DNS entries to be put in their appropriate > files: > > www.my.com.au. IN A 203.24.16.10 <== "unused" IP Address > www.au.some.com. IN A 203.24.16.12 <== "unused" IP Address 10 IN PTR > www.my.com.au. > 12 IN PTR www.au.some.com. ? Why *unused*? You need to *use* them. ifconfig ed0 203.24.16.10 alias ifconfig ed0 203.24.16.12 alias I have a class C network dedicated to VWS and tell my router that the WWW server host is the gateway for the network. In fact, all of the IP addresses (1-254) are aliases on lo0. > Does anyone see any problems with this? No. > And can I keep doing this until I > run out of system resources (ram, hdd, processor speed)? Yes. > Does the virtual hosting only apply to complete domains? Or can you > virtual host a single name of a domain? Such as in the above example, > creating an entry for computer1.cynet.net.au when the httpd process is > running on www.cynet.net.au? Only applies to IP addresses. Except that Apache+Netscape will negotiate a name. This will become more common, but meanwhile, it applies to IP addresses. Any name you point at the IP address via a A or CNAME, will work. regards, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 04:18:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA02975 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synwork.com (root@synwork.com [199.3.234.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA02970 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synwork.com (flaq@ns1.synwork.com [204.120.255.17]) by synwork.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA20996; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:17:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:17:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike To: Mikel Lindsaar cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtual Hosting and Apache In-Reply-To: <199608290818.SAA00191@esimene.cynet.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Mikel Lindsaar wrote: > Right. > > Let me see if I have this straight (it is working for one domain but I am > not sure if it will work for more) > > I am using Apache 1.0.5 and FreeBSD 2.1.0 Stable > > I want to virtual host www.my.com.au and www.au.some.com. > > Under /usr/local/etc/http/conf/httpd.conf I have the following (relevant > only) > > [Begin Sniplette] > > BindAddress * > > > ServerAdmin webmaster@cynet.net.au > DocumentRoot /www/virtual/www.my.com.au > ServerName www.my.com.au > ErrorLog logs/www.my.com.au-error_log > TransferLog logs/www.my.com.au-access_log > > > > ServerAdmin webmaster@cynet.net.au > DocumentRoot /www/virtual/www.au.some.com > ServerName www.au.some.com > ErrorLog logs/www.au.some.com-error_log > TransferLog logs/www.au.some.com-access_log > > > [EndSniplette] > > I have created the directories /www/virtual/www.my.com.au and > /www/virtual/www.au.some.com and put the relevant files in there. > > I have organised the following DNS entries to be put in their appropriate > files: > > www.my.com.au. IN A 203.24.16.10 <== "unused" IP Address > www.au.some.com. IN A 203.24.16.12 <== "unused" IP Address 10 IN PTR > www.my.com.au. > 12 IN PTR www.au.some.com. > > Now. > > Does anyone see any problems with this? And can I keep doing this until I > run out of system resources (ram, hdd, processor speed)? > > Also. > > Does the virtual hosting only apply to complete domains? Or can you > virtual host a single name of a domain? Such as in the above example, > creating an entry for computer1.cynet.net.au when the httpd process is > running on www.cynet.net.au? > Looks okay to me. All you need to do is assign those IP's to an interface, restart APache and you should be in business. I've heard of people with hundreds of virtuals under FreeBSD and Apache. Mike ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Syn-Work Media, Inc. | WWW Development & Hosting | Life Safety http://www.synwork.com | Systems Integration | CCTV mike@synwork.com | Voice/Data/Fiber | Access Control Flaq on IRC | Dukane Distributor | BICSI/RCDD :|:|:|: Powered By FreeBSD :|:|:|: Turning PC's Into Workstations ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 09:17:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA16463 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16455 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.6.10/DPC-1.0) with SMTP id JAA21672; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:02:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow X-Sender: dan@cedb To: Mikel Lindsaar cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtual Hosting and Apache In-Reply-To: <199608290818.SAA00191@esimene.cynet.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Mikel Lindsaar wrote: > I am using Apache 1.0.5 and FreeBSD 2.1.0 Stable > [ ... ] > BindAddress * > > BindAddress and VirtualHost are mutually exclusive. Get rid of the BindAddress line since VirtualHost is the preferred method for what you are describing. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 10:57:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22017 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21990 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13381 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:55:29 +0200 Message-Id: <199608291755.TAA13381@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "isp@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 19:57:20 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've noticed that FreeBSD has a max of 64 concurrent users and 150 processes. Is it possible to increase this? --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 11:02:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22454 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mcnet.ch (mail.mcnet.ch [193.5.163.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22449 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcben.mcnet.ch (pcwin95.mcnet.ch [193.5.166.40]) by mail.mcnet.ch (8.6.9/8.3) with SMTP id UAA21764; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:06:34 +0200 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829180718.008a40d8@mail.mcnet.ch> X-Sender: brossier@mail.mcnet.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:07:18 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Benoit Rossier Subject: virtual ftp server Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I installed wu-ftpd 2.4 on a FreeBSD 2.1.0 box. It works well. I applied a patch to make it a virtual server from Brian Kramer. With anonymous or real user, I can see the right banner and it goes into the right directory. But I can't see any files in the directories. I can put files, create directory, all things but I can't see anything (ls is executed but the server return 0 byte)! Has anyone solved this problem or is there a little bug in my patch (date: 26 may 95)? Is there an other patch? Thanks in advance, Benoit From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 11:48:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26349 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from regina.ibs-us.net (regina.ibs-us.net [208.131.3.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26344 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fisbis@localhost) by regina.ibs-us.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA17274; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek Boonstra To: Mikel Lindsaar cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtual Hosting and Apache In-Reply-To: <199608290818.SAA00191@esimene.cynet.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Mikel Lindsaar wrote: > [... much cut ...] > Does anyone see any problems with this? And can I keep doing this until I > run out of system resources (ram, hdd, processor speed)? Or... until you run out of breath! ; ) see http://www.apache.org/docs/virtual-host.html < limits on file descriptors , resources, etc > > > Does the virtual hosting only apply to complete domains? Or can you > virtual host a single name of a domain? Such as in the above example, > creating an entry for computer1.cynet.net.au when the httpd process is > running on www.cynet.net.au? hmmmmm... ow... I'm not sure what you mean by 'a single name of a domain'. Each virtual host must have its ipDNS configured for the host machine. So, yes you may create an entry for computer1.cynet.net.au when the host is running on www.cynet.net.au as long as www.cynet.net.au is set up to respond as computer1.cynet.net.au. make sense? regards, __ __ __ ___/ /__ _______ / /__ / / 503.232.9480 / _ / -_) __/ -_) '_// _ \ ---------------------- \_,_/\__/_/ \__/_/\_\/_.__/@ibs-us.net I only need a tablesaw and milk. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 14:37:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA06870 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06801 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id QAA07720; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:35:33 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608292135.QAA07720@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? To: froden@bigblue.no Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:35:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608291755.TAA13381@login.bigblue.no> from "Frode Nordahl" at Aug 29, 96 07:57:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've noticed that FreeBSD has a max of 64 concurrent users and 150 processes. > > Is it possible to increase this? frisbees# limit cputime unlimited filesize unlimited datasize 131072 kbytes stacksize 65536 kbytes coredumpsize unlimited memoryuse unlimited memorylocked 6480 kbytes maxproc 179 openfiles 360 frisbees# uname -a FreeBSD frisbees.moneng.mei.com 2.1.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE #0: Wed Jul 17 03:09:31 1996 jkh@whisker.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 It looks like the GENERIC process limit is ~180 (not sure where you got 150), and as far as I am aware, there is no user limit. MAXUSERS is a constant which is somewhat misleading; it is simply a measure for how many users you expect to be dealing with on the system. Advice varies on how to count X sessions, etc. You can build with a different value for MAXUSERS, if it suits you. I administer several boxes: daily-bugle# limit cputime unlimited filesize unlimited datasize 131072 kbytes stacksize 65536 kbytes coredumpsize unlimited memoryuse unlimited memorylocked 253420 kbytes maxproc 4115 openfiles 8232 which have MAXUSERS tuned to 256. It also has 256MB RAM to back that up. Cool eh... "Can I please lock 250MB in core".. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 15:46:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13024 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13014 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08337; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:44:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:44:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Joe Greco cc: Tony Kimball , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anyone using ccd (FreeBSD disk striper) for news In-Reply-To: <199608261741.MAA00675@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > Sometimes you do not CARE when someone last read a file. It costs lots and > lots of disk bandwidth to write that information back on a busy news server > where thousands of files are accessed during every 30 second interval. > > If you do not have to write that information, you now have more disk > bandwidth with which to READ more data, which is what you really wanna > do. Clayton O'Neill fixed Linux to not update ATIMEs for use on his newsserver and he did get some noticeable performance improvements. Nowhere near the improvements he got when he went RAID via DPT, but still, it was worth it. I think he even had a mount time flag that would allow per fs ATIME updates. (ie: mount -o noatime) I've not really looked at doing this yet but it didn't look very straight forward. Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 15:51:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13291 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (slipper3b.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.56]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13280 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12944; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Benoit Rossier cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: virtual ftp server In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960829180718.008a40d8@mail.mcnet.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Benoit Rossier wrote: > Hi, > > I installed wu-ftpd 2.4 on a FreeBSD 2.1.0 box. It works well. > I applied a patch to make it a virtual server from Brian Kramer. > > With anonymous or real user, I can see the right banner and it goes into the > right directory. But I can't see any files in the directories. I can put > files, create directory, all things but I can't see anything (ls is executed > but the server return 0 byte)! > > Has anyone solved this problem or is there a little bug in my patch (date: > 26 may 95)? > Is there an other patch? I solved it with a statically linked version of ls in a bin directory under the directory wu-ftpd chroots the user to. We limit our users to their own home directories so each has a bin dir with a hard link to a copy of '-static' ls. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@onyx.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 17:21:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18462 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18443 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spyder.inna.net (jamie@spyder.inna.net [206.151.66.4]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23993; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Frode Nordahl cc: "isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? In-Reply-To: <199608291755.TAA13381@login.bigblue.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: Recompile your kernel. > I've noticed that FreeBSD has a max of 64 concurrent users and 150 processes. > > Is it possible to increase this? > --------------------------------- > Frode Nordahl > > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 21:30:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA04617 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esimene.cynet.net.au (root@esimene.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04612 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from warpy.cynet.net.au (warpy.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.100]) by esimene.cynet.net.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00804 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:00 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199608300430.OAA00804@esimene.cynet.net.au> From: Mikel Lindsaar Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 14:29:43 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Token Ring Network Cards? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.1 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are there any token ring network cards available that run nice and stable under FreeBSD? I have a client with 20 odd PCs all running token ring, they want to get onto the 'net. The only options are buying a token ring capable router (expensive) or using a FreeBSD machine running as the router, cache, mail etc server. Also, in the above scenario... there is no reason why this same machine could act as a IP filter between the serial device and the token ring card? Regards and Salutations, Mikel -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mikel Lindsaar | "The dream is the foundation, mikel@cynet.net.au | of our society!" ----------------------------------------------------------- Cynet! The Business ISP! http://www.cynet.net.au/ ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 21:58:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06600 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06595 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA01103; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:57:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Mikel Lindsaar cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Token Ring Network Cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:29:43 +1000." <199608300430.OAA00804@esimene.cynet.net.au> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:57:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1098.841381046@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mikel Lindsaar wrote in message ID <199608300430.OAA00804@esimene.cynet.net.au>: > Are there any token ring network cards available that run nice and stable > under FreeBSD? Nope. We don't have ANY token ring support as of this time. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 22:14:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA07025 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esimene.cynet.net.au (root@esimene.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07020; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from warpy.cynet.net.au (warpy.cynet.net.au [203.24.16.100]) by esimene.cynet.net.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00972; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:14:37 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199608300514.PAA00972@esimene.cynet.net.au> From: Mikel Lindsaar Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 15:14:18 +1000 To: "Gary Palmer" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Token Ring Network Cards? In-Reply-To: <1098.841381046@orion.webspan.net> X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.1 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In <1098.841381046@orion.webspan.net>, on 08/30/96 at 12:57 AM, "Gary Palmer" said: >Mikel Lindsaar wrote in message ID ><199608300430.OAA00804@esimene.cynet.net.au>: >> Are there any token ring network cards available that run nice and stabl >> under FreeBSD? >Nope. We don't have ANY token ring support as of this time. >Gary Thanks for the quick responce. Does "as of this time" mean that one is under development or is anyone out there thinking that it might be something they would want to waste hours of device testing on? *8-] My device coding expertese is not quite up to it I am afraid. Regards and Salutations, Mikel -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mikel Lindsaar | "The dream is the foundation, mikel@cynet.net.au | of our society!" ----------------------------------------------------------- Cynet! The Business ISP! http://www.cynet.net.au/ ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 29 23:14:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10813 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1-bsb.GNS.com.br (srv1-bsb.GNS.com.br [200.239.56.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10805 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by srv1-bsb.GNS.com.br (8.7.5/8.7.5) id DAA17857; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:14:09 -0300 (EST) Received: from dl0100-bsb.gns.com.br(200.239.56.100) by srv1-bsb.GNS.com.br via smap (V1.3) id sma017781; Fri Aug 30 03:13:40 1996 Received: by DANIEL.sobral (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0122; Fri, 30 Aug 96 00:12:52 +0300 Message-Id: <9608292112.AA0122@DANIEL.sobral> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 0:12:52 +0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" Subject: Re: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Reply-To: e8917523@linf.unb.br X-Disclaimer: Klaatu Barada Nikto! X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco writes: > > > I've noticed that FreeBSD has a max of 64 concurrent users and 150 processes. > > You can build with a different value for MAXUSERS, if it suits you. I > administer several boxes: He is obviously confused by FreeBSD's "MAXUSERS > 64" warning. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@gns.com.br e8917523@linf.unb.br From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 01:26:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA21758 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21750 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA11148; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:25:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Mikel Lindsaar cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Token Ring Network Cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:14:18 +1000." <199608300514.PAA00972@esimene.cynet.net.au> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:25:39 -0400 Message-ID: <11144.841393539@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mikel Lindsaar wrote in message ID <199608300514.PAA00972@esimene.cynet.net.au>: > Does "as of this time" mean that one is under development or is anyone out > there thinking that it might be something they would want to waste hours > of device testing on? *8-] No development is underway that I know of. Sorry. We have occasionally asked for someone to come forward, but it seems like we have a lot of people who have the need but none with the need and the ability to write support. If someone wants to try, I'm sure that the core team would be willing to help out with kernel structure info and help where needed. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 06:10:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA17291 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 06:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA17286 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 06:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA16979; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:08:21 +0200 Message-Id: <199608301308.PAA16979@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: "isp@FreeBSD.org" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 15:10:06 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Aug 96 0:12:52 +0300, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: >Joe Greco writes: >> >> > I've noticed that FreeBSD has a max of 64 concurrent users and 150 processes. >> >> You can build with a different value for MAXUSERS, if it suits you. I >> administer several boxes: > >He is obviously confused by FreeBSD's "MAXUSERS > 64" warning. You're reading my mind :) --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 06:53:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA20295 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 06:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20286 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA08372; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:52:08 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608301352.IAA08372@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? To: froden@bigblue.no Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:52:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608292312.BAA14425@login.bigblue.no> from "Frode Nordahl" at Aug 30, 96 01:13:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > login:~# limit [vt220] > cputime unlimited > filesize unlimited > datasize 65536 kbytes > stacksize 8192 kbytes > coredumpsize unlimited > memoryuse 14988 kbytes > descriptors 64 > memorylocked 9994 kbytes > maxproc 40 > login:~# uname -a > FreeBSD login.bigblue.no 2.1.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 7 14:5 > 4:17 MET DST 1996 root@login.bigblue.no:/usr/src/sys/compile/LOGIN i386 > login:~# > > This is what I get on FreeBSD 2.1.0-STABLE (Cannot run 2.1.5 on this machine due to incompatibility of some > nature) > > So, the MAXUSER directive in the kernel confiugration can be set to whatever I want? You know where one > might find the proc directive? The MAXUSERS directive can be set to whatever. However, it is NOT a limit to the number of simultaneous users you can have online! It is simply a guideline that helps the kernel scale a number of things to the size you expect to need. Obviously running 200 users on a box with MAXUSERS 10 may fail... probably due to proc table overflow... but running 20 is quite possible and reasonable. Last I checked, and it was a while ago, MAXUSERS directly or indirectly contributes to the sizes of things like the proc and maxfiles and MBCLUSTERS variables. These are all things you want larger on a busy system. As for "maxproc" - type "unlimit; limit" :-) There is a way to change the 40 default in the kernel but it is generally considered the wrong thing to do so. Also note, MAXUSERS has a warning if you go > 64. This is mainly to warn people who are doing silly things like setting MAXUSERS=2048 on a 16MB box. The setting of MAXUSERS does affect kernel resource consumption, so be reasonable with it. The old Sun guidelines are still pretty good: Start with 16 Add one for every logged in user you expect Add one for every NFS client you expect Add one for every xterm window you expect Round up to an even power of 2 Side note: Usually you are doing something wrong if MAXUSERS > Memory Size in MB.. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 08:09:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA24920 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [165.90.138.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24903 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calweb.calweb.com (calweb.calweb.com [165.90.138.3]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06487; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web1.calweb.com (rdugaue@web1.calweb.com [165.90.138.10]) by calweb.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15686; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:02:34 GMT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Du Gaue To: Frode Nordahl cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , "isp@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? In-Reply-To: <199608301308.PAA16979@login.bigblue.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> > I've noticed that FreeBSD has a max of 64 concurrent users and 150 processes. > >> > >> You can build with a different value for MAXUSERS, if it suits you. I > >> administer several boxes: > > > >He is obviously confused by FreeBSD's "MAXUSERS > 64" warning. > > You're reading my mind :) So are we saying that is just what it is. A 'warning', and the actual value is still taken? Why does it warn then? Are there some ramifications going over 64 that someone configuring a machine for heavy duty ISP stuff needs to know about??? > --------------------------------- > Frode Nordahl > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com President, CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 08:29:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26472 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26462 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA08472; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:25:44 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608301525.KAA08472@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Max users/max processes in FreeBSD?? To: rdugaue@calweb.com (Robert Du Gaue) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:25:44 -0500 (CDT) Cc: froden@bigblue.no, dcs@gns.com.br, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Robert Du Gaue" at Aug 30, 96 08:02:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >He is obviously confused by FreeBSD's "MAXUSERS > 64" warning. > > > > You're reading my mind :) > > So are we saying that is just what it is. A 'warning', and the actual > value is still taken? Why does it warn then? Are there some ramifications > going over 64 that someone configuring a machine for heavy duty ISP stuff > needs to know about??? It is certainly just a warning. :-) The ramifications of setting a higher number than 10 are that you probably need more memory to support it... if you try MAXUSERS 256 on a machine with 4MB, I doubt the kernel will even run, since it probably won't have enough space to allocate its data structures. Setting > 64 is often a mistake, and if it isn't a mistake in your case, you are supposed to understand the reasons that you can safely ignore the warning. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 09:01:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA29706 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29690 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17754 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:00:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199608301600.SAA17754@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "isp@FreeBSD.Org" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 18:01:50 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IP aliassing. Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have made IP aliassing work by executing the following command: ifconfig ep0 xxx.yyy.zzz alias And then add a route for that ip to localhost, but, when I add that alias, ifconfig comes up with a "File exists" error, but the alias work, so I just wonder if it is the right way of doing things? --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 09:38:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03370 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@cat-food.Melmac.org [206.169.44.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03356 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22899; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199608301636.JAA22899@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: IP aliassing. To: froden@bigblue.no Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: <199608301600.SAA17754@login.bigblue.no> from Frode Nordahl at "Aug 30, 96 06:01:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have made IP aliassing work by executing the following command: > ifconfig ep0 xxx.yyy.zzz alias > > And then add a route for that ip to localhost, but, when I add that alias, ifconfig comes up with a "File exists" error, > but the alias work, so I just wonder if it is the right way of doing things? > --------------------------------- > Frode Nordahl > > You forgot to put a netmask of 255.255.255.255 into the ifconfig command Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 09:39:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03573 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03567 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA00446; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:35:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: Frode Nordahl cc: "isp@FreeBSD.Org" Subject: Re: IP aliassing. In-Reply-To: <199608301600.SAA17754@login.bigblue.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: > I have made IP aliassing work by executing the following command: > ifconfig ep0 xxx.yyy.zzz alias > > And then add a route for that ip to localhost, but, when I add that alias, ifconfig comes up with a "File exists" error, > but the alias work, so I just wonder if it is the right way of doing things? > --------------------------------- > Frode Nordahl > > This started happening to me yesterday, after I upgraded from 2.1R to 2.1.5R -- before that, the same alias commands worked without complaint. Obviously some version difference here. Anybody know if these warnings can be ignored? Sam Magee From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 10:40:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07661 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (rls@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07651 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00515; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:40:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199608301740.NAA00515@server.id.net> Subject: Re: IP aliassing. In-Reply-To: from Sam Magee at "Aug 30, 96 12:35:04 pm" To: webadmin@adsight.com (Sam Magee) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: froden@bigblue.no, isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have made IP aliassing work by executing the following command: > > ifconfig ep0 xxx.yyy.zzz alias > > > > And then add a route for that ip to localhost, but, when I add that alias, ifconfig comes up with a "File exists" error, > > but the alias work, so I just wonder if it is the right way of doing things? > > --------------------------------- > > Frode Nordahl > > > > > > This started happening to me yesterday, after I upgraded from > 2.1R to 2.1.5R -- before that, the same alias commands worked > without complaint. Obviously some version difference here. > Anybody know if these warnings can be ignored? You need to specify the network mask now... Ie: ifconfig ed0 1.1.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 ifconfig ed0 alias 1.1.1.2 netmask 0xffffffff ifconfig ed0 alias 1.1.1.3 netmask 0xffffffff -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 10:55:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09267 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09258 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA18643; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:54:11 +0200 Message-Id: <199608301754.TAA18643@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "Robert Shady" Cc: "isp@FreeBSD.Org" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 19:55:55 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IP aliassing. Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:40:13 -0400 (EDT), Robert Shady wrote: >You need to specify the network mask now... Ie: > >ifconfig ed0 1.1.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 >ifconfig ed0 alias 1.1.1.2 netmask 0xffffffff >ifconfig ed0 alias 1.1.1.3 netmask 0xffffffff Ok! Good to know.. It's a bit irritating with all those errors scrolling by at startup :) BTW: Does anyone know the maximum number of aliases that can be configured per network interface? --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 11:53:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13881 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13865 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cassy@localhost) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12557; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:52:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Perkins X-Sender: cassy@patty.loop.net To: Robert Shady cc: Sam Magee , froden@bigblue.no, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP aliassing. In-Reply-To: <199608301740.NAA00515@server.id.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone explain why a netmask of 255.255.255.255 is required for aliased IPs. Thank you, Cassandra M. Perkins The Loop ISC On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Robert Shady wrote: > > > I have made IP aliassing work by executing the following command: > > > ifconfig ep0 xxx.yyy.zzz alias > > > > > > And then add a route for that ip to localhost, but, when I add that alias, ifconfig comes up with a "File exists" error, > > > but the alias work, so I just wonder if it is the right way of doing things? > > > --------------------------------- > > > Frode Nordahl > > > > > > > > > > This started happening to me yesterday, after I upgraded from > > 2.1R to 2.1.5R -- before that, the same alias commands worked > > without complaint. Obviously some version difference here. > > Anybody know if these warnings can be ignored? > > You need to specify the network mask now... Ie: > > ifconfig ed0 1.1.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 > ifconfig ed0 alias 1.1.1.2 netmask 0xffffffff > ifconfig ed0 alias 1.1.1.3 netmask 0xffffffff > > -- Rob > === > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ > > Innovative Data Services > Serving South-Eastern Michigan > Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services > Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 15:33:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03032 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red.jnx.com (ppp-206-170-2-174.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.2.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03017 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23006; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00330; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608302233.PAA00330@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: pst@jnx.com, dock@jnx.com Subject: Recommendations for cards... Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We're looking for recommendations for high density async cards, T1 cards and T3 cards. And if anyone has seen an OC-3 SONET (no, not ATM) card, that'd be cool too. Thanks, Tony p.s. As we're not on the list, please include us in your replies. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 17:07:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08936 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iago.ienet.com (iago.ienet.com [207.78.32.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08931 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ienet.com (localhost.ienet.com [127.0.0.1]) by iago.ienet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05672; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608310006.RAA05672@iago.ienet.com> To: ascend-users@bungi.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: pius@ienet.com Subject: 2 bugs in Ascend's RADIUS server Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:06:32 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There seem to be 2 bugs in Ascend's RADIUS server (radius-960528). I'm not sure whether they're known bugs or not and I'm a little bit skeptical that I've not missed something because it seems like other people should have noticed these bugs as well. The first one is in radiusd.c. On my FreeBSD 2.2-960612-SNAP system it causes "Malloc warning: free(): already free chunk" messages to be displayed on the console. The following patch fixes the problem: *** ascend/radiusd.c Wed Jun 26 11:58:43 1996 --- freebsd/radiusd.c Fri Aug 30 13:26:39 1996 *************** *** 1719,1725 **** authCleanup(authInfo) AuthInfo *authInfo; { ! pairfree(authInfo->cutList); authInfo->cutList = (VALUE_PAIR *)0; pairfree(authInfo->authreq->request); memset(authInfo->authreq, 0, sizeof(AUTH_REQ)); --- 1719,1726 ---- authCleanup(authInfo) AuthInfo *authInfo; { ! if (authInfo->cutList != authInfo->authreq->request) ! pairfree(authInfo->cutList); authInfo->cutList = (VALUE_PAIR *)0; pairfree(authInfo->authreq->request); memset(authInfo->authreq, 0, sizeof(AUTH_REQ)); Here's the hopefully not too confusing explanation: As one can see, in the original version, if authInfo->cutList is the same as authInfo->authreq->request, then pairfree() is called twice with the same address which explains why already free()'d chunks are being free()'d again (causing malloc.c in libc to produce the above warning). cutList and authreq->request both point to the head of a linked list. cutList points to a sublist that is cut out of authreq->request by the cut_attribute() function. The relevant bit of code is at the beginning of rad_authenticate(): authList = cut_attribute(authreq->request, PW_USER_NAME, &authName); if((authName == (VALUE_PAIR *)NULL) || ((int)strlen(authName->strvalue) <= 0)) { log_err("Authenticate: from %s - No User Name\n", ip_hostname(authreq->ipaddr)); authCleanup(&authInfo); return -1; } else { authInfo.authName = authName; authInfo.cutList = authName; cutCur = authName; } Now cutList will point to the same place as authreq->request only if the User-Name attribute is the first element in the original attribute list (pointed to by authreq->request) but this is apparently always the case. The reason that they'll point to the same place lies in cut_attribute(): VALUE_PAIR * cut_attribute(list, attributeId, attribute) VALUE_PAIR *list; int attributeId; VALUE_PAIR **attribute; { VALUE_PAIR *head = (VALUE_PAIR *)0; *attribute = (VALUE_PAIR *)0; if( !list ) { head = list; } else if( list->attribute == attributeId ) { *attribute = list; head = list->next; } else { /* ... */ } return head; } When cut_attribute returns, the third argument to cut_attribute will point to the element that's being cut out (unless it's not in the list, of course). The first argument to cut_attribute is never changed. Now if the attribute that's being cut out happens to be the first element in the list (list->attribute == attributeId), then the third argument to cut_attribute will end up pointing to the same place the first one is pointing to. In the first call to cut_attribute in rad_authenticate, authreq->request is the first argument to cut_attribute and is not changed. When cut_attribute returns, authName will point to the first element of the list (the same place authreq->request is pointing to) because User-Name is the first attribute in the list, and finally cutList is assigned the value of authName. Before rad_authenticate returns, authCleanup is called and we have this problem. The second bug is present only in radius-960528 and not in the earlier radius-960327 (the first bug is present in both). The symptom (on my system) is that the request-handling process segfaults and dumps core whenever a username isn't found in the users file. This is reproducible, for example, when I do an "Upd Rmt Cfg" from our MAX 4000 because the MAX requests profiles for pseudo-users such as route-2, banner, etc. which are not in the users file. Here's a patch to users.c that'll fix the problem: *** ascend/users.c Fri May 24 13:21:09 1996 --- freebsd/users.c Fri Aug 30 16:10:37 1996 *************** *** 229,234 **** --- 229,235 ---- userinfo_close(userfd); return 0; } + userinfo_close(userfd); #else /* DBM_MODE */ curParseLine = 0; while( (status = user_read(&userfd, curname, line)) == 0 ) { *************** *** 242,248 **** #endif /* DBM_MODE */ fprintf(errf, "%s:users %s and %s not found\n", progname, name, "DEFAULT"); - userinfo_close(userfd); return NO_USER_OR_DEFAULT_NAME; } --- 243,248 ---- This one is much easier to explain: First of all, from looking at the code it appears that this bug only happens when not compiling in DBM mode. I've never actually compiled in DBM mode and used a DBM users file; so I'm not really 100% sure, but the above patch should work for both the flat-file and the DBM version of radiusd. The problem could be fixed in either usr_read.c or in users.c. The problem is that the user_read() function in usr_read.c closes the file pointed to by userfd (its first argument) and sets userfd to NULL when the end of the file is reached. Then and only then does user_read() return a non-zero value. All other returns from user_read() return 0. This means, that, in flat-file mode, when the while loop returns, immediately before the "users not found" error message is printed, userfd is already NULL and the file pointed to by userfd is already closed, making the call to userinfo_close() deadly because the subsequent fclose(NULL) will trigger the segfault. The above patch just moves the call to userinfo_close() into the DBM-specific part of the code since the DBM file still needs to be closed since user_read() is never called. Hope that makes sense. Pius -- I N T E R N E T Pius Fischer, Chief Engineer E X P R E S S 611 W. Sixth St., Suite 3201 N E T W O R K Los Angeles, CA 90017 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 17:11:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09188 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from challenge.com (nomad.challenge.com [206.12.153.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09183 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.12.153.100] by challenge.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0uwdf7-003kI7C; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:11 PDT Message-Id: To: "isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Batched SMTP Mail Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:12:45 -0500 From: Doug Woodward X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v3.01.Test 19 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Doug Woodward * EMC.Ver #3.01.Test 19 ] -- Has anyone ever been able to get smail 3.1.29.1 to do batched SMTP mail, the way it will handle UUCP. The ideal situation would be to set it up exactly the same way. Place all incoming mail for a domain into a directory. Upon connection by the remote smtp mail server (dial-up) the system uploads all mail waiting the domain's directory to it and processes any incoming mail out onto the "net" received from the system. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Doug Woodward dougw@challenge.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 19:00:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA14161 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw.dfw.net (jeff@dfw.dfw.net [198.175.15.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14154 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12703; Fri, 30 Aug 96 20:59:25 CDT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:59:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey B. Davis" To: Frode Nordahl Cc: Robert Shady , "isp@FreeBSD.Org" Subject: Re: IP aliassing. In-Reply-To: <199608301754.TAA18643@login.bigblue.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: > > > > >ifconfig ed0 1.1.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 > >ifconfig ed0 alias 1.1.1.2 netmask 0xffffffff > > Ok! Good to know.. It's a bit irritating with all those errors scrolling by at startup :) > BTW: Does anyone know the maximum number of aliases that can be configured per network interface? > --------------------------------- > Frode Nordahl > --- I have 253 routed now on a box, and things seem fine. I also have the number of users set high and some 500 or so virtuals set up and testable (though Im off to try more IP numbers and a better testing solution).. Questions: as above, any one get a limit on the number of aliases? Any limit on the number of virtuals with CGI access? (CGI access seemed to be a problem over 133 virtuals on a linux box).. Any one have any interesting testing programs for ranges of IP's on a machine for http access?? Jeff Jeffrey B. Davis Net Solutions Creator Spano Net Solutions 846 E Walnut #268 2145001188 Grapevine Tx 76051 Unix, Internet, Intranet, WWW server, Performance, and Solution Consultant From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 22:26:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA21314 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from the.link.ca (the.link.ca [198.169.185.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21308 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.cia.com (net126.nexes.com [206.186.176.126]) by the.link.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA32659 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:26:34 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960830172642.006ddacc@the.link.ca> X-Sender: jpw687@the.link.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:26:42 +0600 To: isp@FreeBSD.Org From: Blas Zappa Subject: I hate to do this but... Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can't unsubscribe.. could someone in charge of this list please unsubscribe me... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Blas Zappa aka | net.goth | If only they had used their Jonathan Wilkins | dj @ ex machina | terminals for niceness jpw687@the.link.ca | more pretentious than you | instead of evil ... From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 23:21:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24426 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24417 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09668; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:21:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:21:32 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Frode Nordahl cc: "isp@FreeBSD.Org" Subject: Re: IP aliassing. In-Reply-To: <199608301600.SAA17754@login.bigblue.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.Org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: > I have made IP aliassing work by executing the following command: > ifconfig ep0 xxx.yyy.zzz alias > > And then add a route for that ip to localhost, but, when I add that alias, > ifconfig comes up with a "File exists" error, > but the alias work, so I just wonder if it is the right way of doing things? Yes this is the right way to do things. the route add ipalias localhost just prevents packets from going out the default route and back when you are talking to yourself. Is the route there to start with? Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 30 23:44:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25351 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25346 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spyder.inna.net (jamie@spyder.inna.net [206.151.66.4]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA29365; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 02:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 02:45:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Blas Zappa cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I hate to do this but... In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960830172642.006ddacc@the.link.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Blas Zappa wrote: mail: majordomo@freebsd.org put : unsubscribe freebsd-isp in the body of the message. Don't mail unsubscribe messages to the mailing list. > I can't unsubscribe.. could someone in charge of this list please > unsubscribe me... > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Blas Zappa aka | net.goth | If only they had used their > Jonathan Wilkins | dj @ ex machina | terminals for niceness > jpw687@the.link.ca | more pretentious than you | instead of evil ... > > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 00:17:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26887 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss.radford.net (root@port-04.server2.nrv.net [206.99.236.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26882 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pitlord@localhost) by abyss.radford.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA00248; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:24:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle X-Sender: pitlord@abyss.radford.net To: Mikel Lindsaar cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtual Hosting and Apache In-Reply-To: <199608290818.SAA00191@esimene.cynet.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Mikel Lindsaar wrote: > I am using Apache 1.0.5 and FreeBSD 2.1.0 Stable > I want to virtual host www.my.com.au and www.au.some.com. > Under /usr/local/etc/http/conf/httpd.conf I have the following (relevant > only) > > [Begin Sniplette] *snip* *snip* > [EndSniplette] that all looked ok... > I have created the directories /www/virtual/www.my.com.au and > /www/virtual/www.au.some.com and put the relevant files in there. Good > I have organised the following DNS entries to be put in their appropriate > files: > > www.my.com.au. IN A 203.24.16.10 <== "unused" IP Address > www.au.some.com. IN A 203.24.16.12 <== "unused" IP Address 10 IN PTR > www.my.com.au. > 12 IN PTR www.au.some.com. > > Does anyone see any problems with this? And can I keep doing this until I > run out of system resources (ram, hdd, processor speed)? don't see any problem... > Does the virtual hosting only apply to complete domains? Or can you > virtual host a single name of a domain? Such as in the above example, > creating an entry for computer1.cynet.net.au when the httpd process is > running on www.cynet.net.au? On one machine, I've got 4 virtual domains, and 6 virtual hosts. Each of which with their own DNS entry, IP addy, and web server. Works great, except when I try to resolve the virtual domains from other machines on the net (can anyone help with DNS?). So, yes, you can have virtual hosts, as well as virtual domains. :^) > > Thanks all for your time > You're welcome > Regards and Salutations, Uh... ok > > Mikel > Troy. -- Taglines suck, cya! From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 03:35:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA03967 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03960 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00272; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:34:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:34:41 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Jeffrey B. Davis" cc: Frode Nordahl , Robert Shady , "isp@FreeBSD.Org" Subject: Re: IP aliassing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Jeffrey B. Davis wrote: > I have 253 routed now on a box, and things seem fine. I also have > the number of users set high and some 500 or so virtuals set up and > testable (though Im off to try more IP numbers and a better testing > solution).. > > Questions: > as above, any one get a limit on the number of aliases? 5000 have been documented. The test stopped at 5000 due to boredom on the part of the operator. Other than that, no untoward effects. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 03:39:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA04062 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rs3.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (rs3.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.100.214]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04054 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rs3.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA56409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for isp@freebsd.org); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:38:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:38:53 +0200 (MST) From: Ralf Luettgen To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: IP-Masquerading Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Is there anyone, who knows, if ip masquerading is also availible for FreeBSD or only for Linux. And where is the location of this tool. Many thanks Ralf From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 04:08:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA04940 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA04924 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03316; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:05:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199608311105.NAA03316@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: "isp@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 13:08:07 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IP aliassing. Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:34:41 +1000 (EST), Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > >On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Jeffrey B. Davis wrote: > >> I have 253 routed now on a box, and things seem fine. I also have >> the number of users set high and some 500 or so virtuals set up and >> testable (though Im off to try more IP numbers and a better testing >> solution).. >> >> Questions: >> as above, any one get a limit on the number of aliases? > >5000 have been documented. The test stopped at 5000 due to boredom on >the part of the operator. Other than that, no untoward effects. Cool! So there is virtually no limit then... :) --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 04:36:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA07827 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA07822 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03498 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:34:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199608311134.NAA03498@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "isp@FreeBSD.org" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 13:36:54 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: User management Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any tools available to go throgh the expiery list, and for example send out a email to all users that expires in two weeks? And is it possible to alter the default expire message that users get when they try to log in? --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 04:58:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA08974 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA08969 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03609 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:56:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199608311156.NAA03609@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "isp@FreeBSD.org" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 13:58:59 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Shell? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone know of a shell that supports filename completing (Like TCSH) that is SMALLER, (like csh or sh). tcsh eats up 1 MB of ram, so it's a bit "expensive" shell to use as default shell, but we need filename completion when preessing ... Anyone? --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 08:14:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA17890 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17884 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04262; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:11:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199608311511.RAA04262@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "Ernie Elu" Cc: "isp@FreeBSD.org" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 17:13:57 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Shell? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 00:58:10 +1000 (EST), Ernie Elu wrote: >> Anyone know of a shell that supports filename completing (Like TCSH) that is SMALLER, (like csh or sh). tcsh >> eats up 1 MB of ram, so it's a bit "expensive" shell to use as default shell, but we need filename completion >> when preessing ... >> >> Anyone? >> --------------------------------- >> Frode Nordahl >> >> > >I just use bash, seems to be robust. A bit less than 700kb per session. Yeah, but that still is more than 256K :) --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 08:41:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20165 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.i1.net (root@mail1.i1.net [205.216.202.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20160 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.i1.net (tbrown@mail1.i1.net [205.216.202.4]) by mail1.i1.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16043; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Timothy Brown To: Frode Nordahl cc: Ernie Elu , "isp@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Shell? In-Reply-To: <199608311511.RAA04262@login.bigblue.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Won't ash do it? On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: > On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 00:58:10 +1000 (EST), Ernie Elu wrote: > > >> Anyone know of a shell that supports filename completing (Like TCSH) that is SMALLER, (like csh or sh). > tcsh > >> eats up 1 MB of ram, so it's a bit "expensive" shell to use as default shell, but we need filename completion > >> when preessing ... > >> > >> Anyone? > >> --------------------------------- > >> Frode Nordahl > >> > >> > > > >I just use bash, seems to be robust. A bit less than 700kb per session. > > Yeah, but that still is more than 256K :) > --------------------------------- > Frode Nordahl > Timothy Brown InterNIC: TB1313 Chairman, Internet Service Providers' Consortium PGP Key Available Independent Consultant ph: 314/928.5545 2733 McClay Valley Blvd fax: 314/928.5250 St. Peters, MO 63376 pgr: 314/360.3408 cel: 314/303.2949 www: http://www.i1.net/~tbrown/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 10:22:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00333 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00316 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04545; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:20:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199608311720.TAA04545@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "Timothy Brown" Cc: "isp@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 19:22:24 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Shell? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT), Timothy Brown wrote: >Won't ash do it? > Ash? I'll try.... --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 10:22:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00362 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (h-adoptive.x31.infi.net [206.27.115.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00351 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01058; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:22:12 -0400 (EDT) From: jack Reply-To: jack To: Frode Nordahl cc: "isp@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Shell? In-Reply-To: <199608311156.NAA03609@login.bigblue.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: > Anyone know of a shell that supports filename completing (Like TCSH) that is SMALLER, (like csh or sh). tcsh > eats up 1 MB of ram, so it's a bit "expensive" shell to use as default shell, but we need filename completion > when preessing ... csh will do filename completion with the Esc key. It'll also give you your strange extra entry with ps -aux | grep jack :) jack 955 0.0 0.1 460 12 v1 RV 31Dec69 0:00.00 -sh (csh) jack 168 0.0 3.4 696 1048 v0 Is 3:02AM 0:00.26 -tcsh (tcsh) jack 169 0.0 3.5 700 1076 v1 Is 3:02AM 0:00.38 -tcsh (tcsh) jack 872 0.0 14.0 4480 4308 v0 S+ 11:40AM 0:02.37 (pine) jack 947 0.0 1.1 460 316 v1 D 12:11PM 0:00.05 -sh (csh) jack 954 0.0 0.9 468 280 v1 R+ 12:14PM 0:00.00 ps -aux Guess you get 1Jan70 and I get 31Dec69 due to our time zone differences. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@onyx.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 10:25:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00820 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00811 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04560; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:23:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199608311723.TAA04560@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "jack" Cc: "isp@FreeBSD.org" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 19:26:08 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Frode Nordahl's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Shell? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:22:12 -0400 (EDT), jack wrote: >On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: > >> Anyone know of a shell that supports filename completing (Like TCSH) that is SMALLER, (like csh or sh). tcsh >> eats up 1 MB of ram, so it's a bit "expensive" shell to use as default shell, but we need filename completion >> when preessing ... > >csh will do filename completion with the Esc key. It'll also give you >your strange extra entry with ps -aux | grep jack :) Hehe :)) >jack 955 0.0 0.1 460 12 v1 RV 31Dec69 0:00.00 -sh (csh) >jack 168 0.0 3.4 696 1048 v0 Is 3:02AM 0:00.26 -tcsh (tcsh) >jack 169 0.0 3.5 700 1076 v1 Is 3:02AM 0:00.38 -tcsh (tcsh) >jack 872 0.0 14.0 4480 4308 v0 S+ 11:40AM 0:02.37 (pine) >jack 947 0.0 1.1 460 316 v1 D 12:11PM 0:00.05 -sh (csh) >jack 954 0.0 0.9 468 280 v1 R+ 12:14PM 0:00.00 ps -aux > >Guess you get 1Jan70 and I get 31Dec69 due to our time zone differences. Guess so... Is it possible to enable command history with the arrow keys in csh? And maby move the fliec from ESC to TAB? --------------------------------- Frode Nordahl From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 11:34:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05524 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.w3page.com (root@p21.pm-3.pm.dimensional.com [206.100.130.85]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05518 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.w3page.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00626 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:34:23 -0600 Message-ID: <322885AF.3FEC9693@w3page.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:34:23 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: NCR 53c810 scsi problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I may have uncovered a bug in the 53c810 driver in FreeBSD. The problem I encountered involves an IBM 0663 E 15 1.2 gig and a HP C3725S 2 Gig SCSI drive. With 2.1.0, and the 1.2 IBM all is well... Then the upgrade to 2.1.5, and it blows chow. ( dont have all the errors verbatim, as I have been busier tring to *find* the root of the problem, rather than posting it here... ) NCR Reset SD0 Unit Attention blah, blah, blah... So, since i need a little more space anyway, I throw a shiny new HP 2 gig into the works, and another controller card of the same type. The 810 card is recognised, as is the drive... But, Install can not even *see* the drive HP Drive. Pop in a dos disk, fdisk and format, works fine. Same with Linux. Works great. FreeBSD just refuses to see the drive. And gives lots of errors with the IBM. Boot 2.1.0, and all is well as far as the IBM goes, still cannot see the HP drive. Only thing I can think of is the NCR driver has a problem. Btw... Did a search of newsgroups, and found one guy with the exact same problem HP 2 gig scsi and NCR controller. I will snag the errors and post if anyone can actually fix the problem, but in the meantime, I gotta get running, so Im gonna get a Adaptec 2940. Just thought y'all might want to avoid the same combo till it does get fixed. Blaine Minazzi From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 12:47:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07712 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux.sjs.com (steve@linux.sjs.com [199.245.191.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07707 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by linux.sjs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA32419 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:46:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD & Apache Authentication? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can't seem to get Password authentication working with Apache on FreeBSD. I created a password file with dbmmanage called junk (junk.db) and dbmmanage can view the file fine. I compiled Apache V1.1.1 with Module db_auth_module mod_auth_db.o I installed DES on the FreeBSD system. This is what I see in my error_log when I try to access the directory with the .htaccess file in it: [Sat Aug 31 15:45:15 1996] access to /usr/local/etc/httpd/password/junk failed for linux.sjs.com, reason: could not open db auth file [Sat Aug 31 15:45:15 1996] access to /home/sites/metwest/stats failed for linux.sjs.com, reason: DB user steve not found I added a perror("DEBUG") statement into the module code and when I try to access the page, this prints on the screen: DEBUG: No such file or directory Here is my .htaccess file: AuthName Traffic AuthType Basic AuthDBUserFile /usr/local/etc/httpd/password/junk require valid-user and here is a directory of /usr/local/etc/httpd/password # ls -la | more total 267 drwxr-xr-x 3 root bin 1024 Aug 24 23:31 . drwxr-xr-x 9 root bin 512 Aug 20 15:32 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 16384 Aug 30 09:48 junk.db Any ideas on what the problem might be? Regards, Steve Stuczynski S.J.S. Communications e-mail: steve@sjs.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 14:12:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12424 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp.DK.net (uucp@uucp.DK.net [193.88.44.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12395 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pingnet (uucp@localhost) by uucp.DK.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id XAA00825; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 23:11:52 +0200 Received: from infotek by ic1.ic.dk with UUCP id AA09374 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:43:58 +0200 Received: by infotek.infotek.dk (5.67/IC2.1) for isp@freebsd.org; id AA01050; Sat, 31 Aug 96 21:55:38 +0200 From: John Plate Message-Id: <9608311955.AA01050@infotek.infotek.dk> Subject: Re: Batched SMTP Mail To: dougw@challenge.com (Doug Woodward) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:55:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Doug Woodward" at Aug 30, 96 05:12:45 pm Organization: InfoTek aps, Copenhagen, Denmark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Charset: ISO_8859-1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug Woodward: > > Has anyone ever been able to get smail 3.1.29.1 to do batched SMTP mail, > the way it will handle UUCP. > > The ideal situation would be to set it up exactly the same way. > Place all incoming mail for a domain into a directory. > > Upon connection by the remote smtp mail server (dial-up) the system > uploads all mail waiting the domain's directory to it and processes any > incoming mail out onto the "net" received from the system. If your intention is to batch mail for UUCP, you should take a look at the UUBATCH system available on the Net. I've decided to maintain ports of UUBATCH to other types of UUCP than HDB, but my time is short these days :-( Mail me for further details if you are interested in UUBATCH. -- John Plate From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 14:38:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15637 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15628 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30 † id OAA18199; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14535; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608312138.OAA14535@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Frode Nordahl" cc: "Ernie Elu" , "isp@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Shell? In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 31 Aug 96 17:13:57 +0100. <199608311511.RAA04262@login.bigblue.no> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:38:06 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- MindBender.serv.net" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Anyone know of a shell that supports filename completing (Like >>> TCSH) that is SMALLER, (like csh or sh). tcsh eats up 1 MB of ram, so >>> it's a bit "expensive" shell to use as default shell, but we need >>> filen ame completion when preessing ... >>I just use bash, seems to be robust. A bit less than 700kb per session. >Yeah, but that still is more than 256K :) Remember that *BSD uses shared text segments, and that even if it is using 768KB, 388KB of that (on my NetBSD system with tcsh 6.06, anyway) is shared by every tcsh running in the system. Also, keep in mind that certain bloat is inevitable if you want "features". Ash (NetBSD's default sh -- I think FreeBSD uses something different) is nice and small, but doesn't do nearly as much as bash or tcsh. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 15:13:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20231 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iago.ienet.com (iago.ienet.com [207.78.32.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20213 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ienet.com (localhost.ienet.com [127.0.0.1]) by iago.ienet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12635; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608312212.PAA12635@iago.ienet.com> To: scrain@shore.net Cc: ascend-users@bungi.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (ASCEND) 2 bugs in Ascend's RADIUS server Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:12:27 -0700 From: Pius Fischer Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, scrain@shore.net wrote: >> VALUE_PAIR * >> cut_attribute(list, attributeId, attribute) >> VALUE_PAIR *list; >> int attributeId; >> VALUE_PAIR **attribute; >> { >> VALUE_PAIR *head = (VALUE_PAIR *)0; >> >> *attribute = (VALUE_PAIR *)0; >> if( !list ) { >> head = list; >> } >> else if( list->attribute == attributeId ) { >> *attribute = list; >> head = list->next; >Insert: > list->next=(VALUE_PAIR *)NULL; >> } >> else { >> /* ... */ >> } >> return head; >> } > >IMHO, the bug is actually in cut_attribute. When the found item is deep >in the list it returns a list without the item in it and the item. When >the item is first in the list it doesn't properly NULL out the cut >attribute, so pairfree frees the whole list instead of just the one cut >out item. Yes, I agree, a fix to cut_attribute strikes closer to the root of the problem, but you're still left with at least the problem of the two calls to pairfree in authCleanup: void authCleanup(authInfo) AuthInfo *authInfo; { pairfree(authInfo->cutList); authInfo->cutList = (VALUE_PAIR *)0; pairfree(authInfo->authreq->request); memset(authInfo->authreq, 0, sizeof(AUTH_REQ)); free(authInfo->authreq); authInfo->authreq = (AUTH_REQ *)0; } With the above change to cut_attribute, both authInfo->cutList and authInfo->authreq->request still end up pointing to the same place which is now just one element and not the entire attribute list. So, authCleanup will free the first element twice and all the other elements won't be freed at all. One possible fix would be to add another line to rad_authenticate: /* Get the username from the request */ authList = cut_attribute(authreq->request, PW_USER_NAME, &authName); + authreq->request = authList; if((authName == (VALUE_PAIR *)NULL) || ((int)strlen(authName->strvalue) <= 0)) { log_err("Authenticate: from %s - No User Name\n", ip_hostname(authreq->ipaddr)); authCleanup(&authInfo); return -1; } And then again, there's the possibility of other problems being introduced because of cut_attribute's new behavior. I simply figured that the original patch I supplied would fix the problem without the possibility of introducing any new problems. Yet I agree that fixing cut_attribute would probably be the more elegant solution, but it would require a little more time. Maybe cut_attribute's first argument could be a (VALUE_PAIR **) instead of (VALUE_PAIR *) and it wouldn't have to return anything. That way the pointer to the head of the original list could be changed to truly point to "a list of all the attributes in the original list EXCEPT the first occurence of one matching the attribute id" (quoted from the comments for cut_attribute). Regards, Pius -- I N T E R N E T Pius Fischer, Chief Engineer E X P R E S S 611 W. Sixth St., Suite 3201 N E T W O R K Los Angeles, CA 90017 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 15:30:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA22039 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from challenge.com (nomad.challenge.com [206.12.153.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22033 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.12.153.100] by challenge.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0uwyYd-003kMyC; Sat, 31 Aug 96 15:30 PDT Message-Id: To: John Plate Subject: Re: Batched SMTP Mail Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 15:31:30 -0500 From: Doug Woodward X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v3.01.Test 19 CC: "isp@FreeBSD.Org" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Doug Woodward * EMC.Ver #3.01.Test 19 ] -- >If your intention is to batch mail for UUCP, you should take a look at >the UUBATCH system available on the Net. I've decided to maintain >ports of UUBATCH to other types of UUCP than HDB, but my time is short >these days :-( My UUCP is working fine. The problem is getting Smail to batch SMTP incoming mail for a domain and then wait for dial-up from that particular domain's off-line SMTP Mail Server. Such as Seattle Lab's SLmail95 which will do dial-up on demand or at pre-set time intervals the way UUCP will. Put the mail in a directory and when the system calls take any incoming mail (and process ) then off-load all mail stored the directory to it. Doug Woodward dougw@challenge.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 16:13:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23528 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23523 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18446; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608312309.RAA18446@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- MindBender.serv.net" Cc: "Frode Nordahl" , "Ernie Elu" , "isp@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Shell? In-Reply-To: <199608312138.OAA14535@MindBender.serv.net> References: <199608311511.RAA04262@login.bigblue.no> <199608312138.OAA14535@MindBender.serv.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Also, keep in mind that certain bloat is inevitable if you want > "features". Ash (NetBSD's default sh -- I think FreeBSD uses > something different) is nice and small, but doesn't do nearly as much > as bash or tcsh. Ash is the default for all 4.4 derivatives, including FreeBSD. NetBSD was going to switch to ksh, though I don't think it ever happened. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 16:42:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24619 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (h-advantage.x31.infi.net [206.27.115.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24613 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01601; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Frode Nordahl cc: "isp@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Shell? In-Reply-To: <199608311723.TAA04560@login.bigblue.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Frode Nordahl wrote: > > Is it possible to enable command history with the arrow keys in csh? And maby move the fliec from ESC to > TAB? I've never tried, but I doubt it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@onyx.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 31 18:27:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA29491 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29486 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA22805; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:27:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Frode Nordahl" cc: "isp@FreeBSD.org" From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Shell? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:58:59 BST." <199608311156.NAA03609@login.bigblue.no> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: <22800.841541240@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Frode Nordahl" wrote in message ID <199608311156.NAA03609@login.bigblue.no>: > Anyone know of a shell that supports filename completing (Like TCSH) that is > SMALLER, (like csh or sh). tcsh > eats up 1 MB of ram, so it's a bit "expensive" shell to use as default shell, > but we need filename completion > when preessing ... if you do `set filec' in csh, you can then press escape to get filename completion. I believe there is something similar in our sh implimentation, but I'm no sh expert, so maybe someone else can fill you in. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info