From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 03:00:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA00176 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 03:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00150 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 03:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id LAA24594; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:45:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.gtn.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14577; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:32:09 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:32:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Christopher Taylor cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Taylor UUCP Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-try-apsfilter: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz X-Fax: +49 2137 2018 X-Phone: +49 2137 2020 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Christopher Taylor wrote: > Hi, I have a couple of customers who run a BBS, and want to get UUCP > email to their bulletin board. I have never setup any UUCP package > before, and I am hoping that someone in here has. :) You lucky one ;-) > I downloaded and > compiled v1.06 just fine, and set up the proper directories, and created > an account for someone to test out, and set its uid and group to that of > UUCP's. BTW, where did you compile and install t-uucp ?! ... On a FreeBSD machine t-uucp is already part of the system ... ? > I also set shell to uucico, and home to /var/spool/uucppublic. correct. > But, for some reason it keeps saying it doesn't have permission to talk! Could you please make a transmission with debugging enabled and give a more detailed error message ?! /somepath/uucico -r1 -xall -Ssomehost /var/spool/uucp/Debug contains debugging output... > Does it have something to do with my files in /etc/uucp? And do I need to > do anything special to my /etc/sendmail.cf file, to store uucp mail > destined for one of my UUCP customers, in /var/spool/uucppublic/sysname? Well not too much at a time ... surely, sendmail has to be told, how mail has to be delivered to certain machines ... Usually you have a connection to an ISP, so this is your smarthost... Or you are directly connected to Internet, so your sendmail probably is configured to deliver mails itself ... Although some people still prefer sending mail to a smarthost via uucp over IP... So it's done batched and might save money on an expensive dialup line ... READ /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/README carefully ... You might need something like the mailertable or domaintable feature, to deliver mail to some locally connected machines ... Sendmail will be configured via macro files habe a look in /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/cf/cf ... If there is a foo.mc file, then type 'make foo.cf' and this file is your sendmail.cf .... you can test it via sendmail address test mode before installing it in /etc/sendmail.cf... sendmail -bt -Cfoo.cf > 3,0 testperson@foo.do.main Then sendmail will tell you, how it would deliver the mail to the mail address ... So you can test your delivery ... Don't forget to type the 3,0 in from of each tested address ! > Also, I have gone over all the Taylor UUCP documentation I can find, and > still cannot figure it out. Well, it's a bit complicated for a fist time beginner, but not impossible ... Here is my sendmail.mc file for a first start ... Look in sendmails README file about the domain and mailertable feature and with some modifications you should get a working sendmail. And if then additionally your uucp is well configured, everythig should be fine ;-)) divert(-1) include(`../m4/cf.m4') VERSIONID(`@(#)klemm.mc 1.1 (AKL) 20/03/96') OSTYPE(bsd4.4)dnl Dmklemm.gtn.com MASQUERADE_AS(klemm.gtn.com)dnl define(`confDOMAIN_NAME', `$m')dnl define(`UUCP_MAX_SIZE', 2000000)dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `uucp-dom:easix')dnl define(`UUCP_RELAY', `uucp-dom:easix')dnl # queue each job, uux's -r flag, uucp transmission via cron # define(`UUCP_MAILER_ARGS',`uux - -r -z -a$g -gC $h!rmail ($u)')dnl # immediate delivery for each mail define(`UUCP_MAILER_ARGS',`uux - -z -a$g -gC $h!rmail ($u)')dnl FEATURE(nodns)dnl FEATURE(nocanonify) FEATURE(use_cw_file) FEATURE(always_add_domain) FEATURE(masquerade_envelope) FEATURE(local_procmail) MAILER(local)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl MAILER(uucp)dnl __ andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 21:27:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07656 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trogon.kiwi.net (trogon.kiwi.net [207.155.57.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07628 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by trogon.kiwi.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) id VAA23830 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Christopher H. Taylor" Message-Id: <199610070431.VAA23830@trogon.kiwi.net> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi Chrisotpher, > HiLink Internet Pty Ltd runs Taylor UUCP. Firstly > you need to generate a new sendmail.cf file to add in the delivery rules. > There are a set of m4 macros provided with the sendmail source to > do this. Now you can proceed to setting up UUCP. > > 1. make a new user with a UID that is not equal to the UID of uucp. > 2. make the shell of that user /usr/libexec/uucp/uucico > 3. add the user to /etc/uucp/sys > > Most of the documentation needed is provided in the sample files contained > in /etc/uucp. A reasonable reference on the theory of UUCP is the nutshell > book from O'Riely, but note that it does not cover taylor UUCP. > > Maurice Castro Hi Maurice, I appreciate your help in this matter. But I have done all that you said, and do have the UUCP book from O'Reilly. I have been working on this for over a month now, and still cannot get it to work. :( Could you possily, drop me your sendmail template, with all the m4 definitions inside of it? That would *REALLY* help me out a lot!!! Especially since you are running FreeBSD as well! Thanks again.. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ o Christopher Taylor - Kiwi Computer Services o o VOICE: 909-274-7800 BBS: 909-274-7803 o o *+*+*+* o o Kiwi Internet Services Now Online! o o $12.95/mo FLAT RATE PPP Access!! o o Visit: Http://Www.Kiwi.Net o +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ PGP Fingerprint: 0D 47 98 16 74 DC 3D 7E 1E 6E 6C 2B D9 A5 C7 1B Public Keyring Available Upon Request! From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 23:02:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA15467 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15441; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA05493; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: xiyuan qian cc: isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, steve@cioe.com Subject: Re: Upgrade my system In-Reply-To: <199610052020.UAA07936@npc.haplink.co.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, I am going to upgrade my system FreeBSD2.1.0 to 2.1.5, but I do need > some help on that. 1. Do I need download all the files of 2.1.5 as my > setting up with 2.0.5? > 2. I have upto 300 users in my 2.0.5, how can I convert them to the new > system, I mean, especially the password or some more important file? I just ran the 'upgrade' procedure in sysinstall. Here is my handy-dandy guide to upgrading 2.1 -> 2.1.5 using sysinstall: Quick checklist: 1) BACKUP /ETC, BACKUP /ETC, BACKUP /ETC. IT __WILL__ BE HOSED!!! 2) Boot the new floppy. Select the 'update' option. Follow the prompts. Make sure you MOUNT your filesystems and not NEWFS them. Select the same distributions you did originally (but you can skip XFree86 if you installed it from 2.1.0 -- there are no changes) and any you wish to add. 3) Hit 'commit'. Take note of the modified files. 4) When you're dumped to a shell prompt: . Copy services back from your backup /etc. It's three lines long now :( . Edit sysconfig and re-config from scratch using your old one as a guide. It's changed a bunch this time around and it's too much pain to hack in the new changes. . Migrate any changes you made to rc.local. Note that httpd is no longer started from sysconfig. 5) Reboot, recompile & reinstall your kernel, reboot again, and enjoy. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > > Best regaurds! > > --xiyuan > > > > Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 01:13:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22973 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 01:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdisp@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22963 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 01:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA25730; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:12:15 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199610070912.LAA25730@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: How to solve the news server problem To: rdugaue@calweb.com (Robert Du Gaue) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:12:15 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Robert Du Gaue at "Oct 5, 96 08:13:56 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > how about running the news on sgi challenge s? > hehe. That cracks me up. We started our ISP with an SGI. Now it's called > boatanchor.calweb.com for good reasons. It's NFS stuff does not get along > with Freebsd and it barely handles the 64 businesses we have on it. which model? > > is there anyone familiar with the challenge s machines? the price doesnt > > sound too bad, since it's only a little more than pro200, and has faster > The last P6Pro/200 I got was about $3k. This was with 128megs ram, 2 gig notice that i do live in finland, and even though that this is a firm that's been selling pc hardware for years, and thus is getting the pc hardware for isping relatively cheap, still pro200 with 128 ecc ram, 4 2gig uw seagates, adaptec 3940, adequate cooling, no display/display adapter, dual smc ether cards, would cost me around $8000 considering that i would get sgi without much ram and disks but would get them myself, i would get it with less than $12000... (challenge s) and as far as i know, anyone's free to correct, it's cpu _does_ outperform atleast two pro200 machines... > fast/wide, dual ethernet controller, etc.... The challenge S is > considerably more then that, and make sure you get the correct software > options. By the time you're done getting what you need you'll be way over > $10k. not that much over... > > most _is_ the "slow" bus speed, coz you can drag only 132mbytes of stuff > "slow"? The PCI bus speed is quite adequate. 132mbyte across a 10mb > ethernet would be a neat trick. Our 10baseT backbone, with nearly 5000 > subscribers is only about 14% utilized during peak. The PCI buses or the > ethernet backbone are not a bottleneck! hmm... but how many servers you are running? mickey From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 06:19:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA26025 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 06:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (jvissers@monet.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26020; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 06:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jvissers@localhost) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.6/8.7.3) id PAA07276; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:19:32 +0200 From: Jos Vissers Message-Id: <199610071319.PAA07276@monet.telebyte.nl> Subject: User name length limit increase To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:19:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Can somebody please explain how to increase the user login name length limit. I would expect this to be some systemwide setting or at worst a definition in a header file. But I can't find anything except UT_NAMESIZE (8) in utmp.h. Increasing that and recompiling libc doesn't help a lot. Is it possible at all to increase this beyond 8 and if so, how? Thanks, Jos -- Jos Vissers, System administrator Telebyte From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 06:19:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA26058 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 06:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26053; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 06:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vAFav-00093lC; Mon, 7 Oct 96 06:19 PDT Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA29621; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:17:18 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199610071317.NAA29621@veda.is> Subject: 460.8 kb/s serial ports? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What would be the best way to connect a bunch of 460.8 kb/s async serial ports to a FreeBSD based login server? An "Enhanced" serial port will provide the peripheral interface hardware, but this imposes a limit of 4 ports per machine (2 E2S1P cards, 4 interrupts). What I want is an intelligent controller that will do 32 ports per interrupt at this speed, like an enhanced version of the Specialix XIO. Or where else should I be looking? The idea is to offer ISDN and ordinary modem service on the same bunch of dialup lines. -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 07:29:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA00102 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (jeff@mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29997 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA15581; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:33:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:33:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeff.Lynch-JORSM.Internet" To: "Christopher H. Taylor" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199610070431.VAA23830@trogon.kiwi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had a month-long episode getting UUCP working with a local BBS here. I can't really get into the specifics of your setup, due to unusually heavy work load at this time, but just make sure the sysop at the BBS has carefully respected the case-sensititivity in his setup files. He had "MAILHOST" instead of "mailhost", as soon as he fixed it, voila problem solved. He was running a wildcat 4 BBS. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com On Sun, 6 Oct 1996, Christopher H. Taylor wrote: > > > Hi Chrisotpher, > > HiLink Internet Pty Ltd runs Taylor UUCP. Firstly > > you need to generate a new sendmail.cf file to add in the delivery rules. > > There are a set of m4 macros provided with the sendmail source to > > do this. Now you can proceed to setting up UUCP. > > > > 1. make a new user with a UID that is not equal to the UID of uucp. > > 2. make the shell of that user /usr/libexec/uucp/uucico > > 3. add the user to /etc/uucp/sys > > > > Most of the documentation needed is provided in the sample files contained > > in /etc/uucp. A reasonable reference on the theory of UUCP is the nutshell > > book from O'Riely, but note that it does not cover taylor UUCP. > > > > Maurice Castro > > Hi Maurice, I appreciate your help in this matter. But I have done all > that you said, and do have the UUCP book from O'Reilly. I have been > working on this for over a month now, and still cannot get it to work. :( > Could you possily, drop me your sendmail template, with all the m4 > definitions inside of it? That would *REALLY* help me out a lot!!! > Especially since you are running FreeBSD as well! Thanks again.. > > +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ > o Christopher Taylor - Kiwi Computer Services o > o VOICE: 909-274-7800 BBS: 909-274-7803 o > o *+*+*+* o > o Kiwi Internet Services Now Online! o > o $12.95/mo FLAT RATE PPP Access!! o > o Visit: Http://Www.Kiwi.Net o > +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ > > PGP Fingerprint: 0D 47 98 16 74 DC 3D 7E 1E 6E 6C 2B D9 A5 C7 1B > Public Keyring Available Upon Request! > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 07:33:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA00550 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (jeff@mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00526; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA15630; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:37:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:37:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeff.Lynch-JORSM.Internet" To: Jos Vissers cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: <199610071319.PAA07276@monet.telebyte.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Jos Vissers wrote: > Hello, > > Can somebody please explain how to increase the user login name length > limit. I would expect this to be some systemwide setting or at > worst a definition in a header file. > But I can't find anything except UT_NAMESIZE (8) in utmp.h. > Increasing that and recompiling libc doesn't help a lot. > > Is it possible at all to increase this beyond 8 and if so, how? > > Thanks, Jos > > -- > Jos Vissers, System administrator Telebyte > DON'T DO IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Too much legacy code out there won't work if you do. Keep this huge can of worms closed. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 07:44:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA01466 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl (hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl [192.87.5.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01446; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.hse.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V5.0-7 #8340) id <01IAD9QI7AWG00PO5K@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:42:50 +0200 (MET_DST) Received: from charm.il.ft.hse.nl by hermes.hse.nl (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.04) id AA07772; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:42:50 +0100 Received: (from erik@localhost) by charm.il.ft.hse.nl (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA17951; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:42:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:42:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Erik Manders Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-reply-to: <199610071319.PAA07276@monet.telebyte.nl> To: Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL (Jos Vissers) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Reply-to: erik@il.ft.HSE.NL, questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <199610071442.QAA17951@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Location: Somewhere in The Netherlands Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After long consideration, Jos Vissers uttered the following: > Hello, > > Can somebody please explain how to increase the user login name length > limit. I would expect this to be some systemwide setting or at > worst a definition in a header file. > But I can't find anything except UT_NAMESIZE (8) in utmp.h. > Increasing that and recompiling libc doesn't help a lot. Almost there, but not quite. You grab the sources (ALL of them), edit UT_NAMESIZE in .../include/utmp.h and rebuild everything. After the installation you might want to remove /var/run/utmp (i think) and reboot. Remember that xterm probably will also need recompiling! So will anything else that even looks at the utmp! That's because changing UT_* changes sizeof(struct utmp) and sizeof(struct lastlog) which is kinda important. > > Is it possible at all to increase this beyond 8 and if so, how? Sure! I've changed UT_HOSTSIZE to 48 for instance. See above! > > Thanks, Jos > > -- > Jos Vissers, System administrator Telebyte > > Erik Manders erik@il.ft.hse.nl -- :evil and rude: adj. both {evil} and {rude}, but with the additional connotation that the rudeness was due to malice rather than incompetence. Hackish evil and rude is close to the mainstream sense of `evil'. --Jargon file, version 4.0.0 [edited] From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 08:35:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06164 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from final.dystopia.fi (root@final.dystopia.fi [194.100.42.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06142; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kajtzu@localhost) by final.dystopia.fi (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA02235; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:34:03 +0300 From: "Kaj J. Niemi" Message-Id: <199610071534.SAA02235@final.dystopia.fi> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase To: erik@il.ft.HSE.NL, questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:34:03 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Reply-To: kajtzu@iug.org In-Reply-To: <199610071442.QAA17951@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> from "Erik Manders" at Oct 7, 96 04:42:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Almost there, but not quite. You grab the sources (ALL of them), edit > UT_NAMESIZE in .../include/utmp.h and rebuild everything. After the > installation you might want to remove /var/run/utmp (i think) and > reboot. Remember that xterm probably will also need recompiling! So will > anything else that even looks at the utmp! That's because changing UT_* > changes sizeof(struct utmp) and sizeof(struct lastlog) which is kinda > important. Even though this _is_ technically possible a lot of programs will go FUBAR faster than you can say "OOPS" when doing the things mentioned above - ie. I wouldn't advise you (anybody for that matter) unless you're _very_ sure of what you're doing and have a deathwish... :-) just my .02, -- Kaj - kajtzu@iug.org - Pager 04800-30565 - http://www.iug.org/~kajtzu/ "Hey, I need a ride to the morgue.. but that's what E-911 is for!" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 09:17:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA08794 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toth.hq.ferg.com (pm1-07.wmbg.widomaker.com [206.161.154.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08788; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toth.hq.ferg.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toth.hq.ferg.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10386; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:06:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Branson Matheson X-Sender: branson@toth.hq.ferg.com To: kajtzu@iug.org cc: erik@il.ft.HSE.NL, questions@freebsd.org, Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: <199610071534.SAA02235@final.dystopia.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Kaj J. Niemi wrote: > > Almost there, but not quite. You grab the sources (ALL of them), edit > > UT_NAMESIZE in .../include/utmp.h and rebuild everything. After the > > installation you might want to remove /var/run/utmp (i think) and > > reboot. Remember that xterm probably will also need recompiling! So will > > anything else that even looks at the utmp! That's because changing UT_* > > changes sizeof(struct utmp) and sizeof(struct lastlog) which is kinda > > important. > > Even though this _is_ technically possible a lot of programs will go > FUBAR faster than you can say "OOPS" when doing the things mentioned > above - ie. I wouldn't advise you (anybody for that matter) unless > you're _very_ sure of what you're doing and have a deathwish... :-) This is SILLY. Yes it might break some things.. and yes you should know what you are doing when you do this.. but its dumb to limit youself just because legacy code has a problem.. most other OS's have made this change.. and I do NOT see why we should not. If legacy code is the problem then lets FIX it. Beyond that .. I have made this change on three machines before.. and yes I had to re-compile code for it to work... but if we do it on a RELEASE with all the packages re-compiled.. It should work. and It does work for me... raidusd works with long usernames, yp works too. It's like saying that I have all these nice new carbeurators for my cars that will make them work better and faster .. but I don't want to put it on this one car because it won't fit on the old intake. Gimme a break.. replace the intake! -branson ============================================================================= Branson Matheson | Ferguson Enterprises | If Pete and Repeat were System Administrator | W: (804) 874-7795 | sittin on a fence and Pete Unix, Perl, WWW | branson@widomaker.com | fell off, who is left? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 10:02:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11104 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11099; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA06637 ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cassy@localhost) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA19938; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:58:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Perkins X-Sender: cassy@patty.loop.net To: "Jeff.Lynch-JORSM.Internet" cc: Jos Vissers , questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I believe using NIS will allow you to increase your login name space. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cassandra M. Perkins | People usually get what's coming to | | Network Operations | them... unless it's been mailed. | | The Loop Internet Switch Co., LLC | -fortune | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Jeff.Lynch-JORSM.Internet wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Jos Vissers wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Can somebody please explain how to increase the user login name length > > limit. I would expect this to be some systemwide setting or at > > worst a definition in a header file. > > But I can't find anything except UT_NAMESIZE (8) in utmp.h. > > Increasing that and recompiling libc doesn't help a lot. > > > > Is it possible at all to increase this beyond 8 and if so, how? > > > > Thanks, Jos > > > > -- > > Jos Vissers, System administrator Telebyte > > > > DON'T DO IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Too much legacy code > out there won't work if you do. Keep this huge can of worms > closed. > > ========================================================================= > Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet > email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider > Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 > Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 10:03:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11193 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.multinet.net (house.multinet.net [204.138.173.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11188 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from graydon@localhost) by house.multinet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09844; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:03:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Graydon Hoare ()" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: <199610071534.SAA02235@final.dystopia.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Kaj J. Niemi wrote: > > changes sizeof(struct utmp) and sizeof(struct lastlog) which is kinda > > important. > > Even though this _is_ technically possible a lot of programs will go > FUBAR faster than you can say "OOPS" when doing the things mentioned > above - ie. I wouldn't advise you (anybody for that matter) unless > you're _very_ sure of what you're doing and have a deathwish... :-) Hmm... hasn't been my experience. I've been running with 11 char usernames for some time without things blowing up. Now, mind you, it's just a mailbox & kerb. system, but popper, login, kinit, sendmail, bash etc all seem to work OK (after the implicit make-world I did). I've heard warnings about going beyond 12 characters as breaking something, but have never experienced it. Which programs break? This is something a lot of people want -- maybe instead of dire predictions we should just fix it. after all... Windows can do it (restrain flames, I'm as unixey as they next guy) -graydon From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 10:52:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14050 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.trifecta.com ([206.245.150.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14041 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dev@localhost) by www.trifecta.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA11551; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: BPF Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was doing some tinkering with the /dev/bpf device. My understanding is that reading from the bpf device gives you a raw dump of the data over the network. You will have a bpf header (18 bytes?) Then I need to know the ip_offset for packets comming in over the ed1 network interface so I can start calculating how much traffic is going to what address based on the ip header. Any help would be appreciated. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 11:25:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15838 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hod (hod.tera.com [206.215.142.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15819; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [206.215.142.62]) by hod (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10397; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05970; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610071824.LAA05970@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: from Branson Matheson at "Oct 7, 96 12:06:13 pm" To: branson@widomaker.com (Branson Matheson) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kajtzu@iug.org, erik@il.ft.HSE.NL, questions@freebsd.org, Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Branson Matheson: > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Kaj J. Niemi wrote: > [[ changing the default from 8 to 2N characters... ]] > It's like saying that I have all these nice new carbeurators for my > cars that will make them work better and faster .. but I don't want > to put it on this one car because it won't fit on the old intake. > Gimme a break.. replace the intake! > > -branson > In the my two-cents-worth department, I agree with this logic. The 8-character-length was from the days when virtually no one saw the need for more than a few computers total in the universe. Times have changed. To the core group and other OS gurus, and whoever else may be interested, I pose this question: couldn't the 8 be changed to, say, 64 without causing any hassles anywhere? How does Sun, for one, get away with logins like `john.q.engineer@eng.sun.com'?? gary kline From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12:24:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA20259 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20250; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id OAA13826; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:22:55 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610071922.OAA13826@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase To: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:22:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: branson@widomaker.com, kajtzu@iug.org, erik@il.ft.hse.nl, questions@FreeBSD.org, Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610071824.LAA05970@athena.tera.com> from "Gary Kline" at Oct 7, 96 11:24:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In the my two-cents-worth department, I agree with this > logic. The 8-character-length was from the days when > virtually no one saw the need for more than a few computers > total in the universe. > > Times have changed. > > To the core group and other OS gurus, and whoever else > may be interested, I pose this question: couldn't the > 8 be changed to, say, 64 without causing any hassles > anywhere? How does Sun, for one, get away with logins > like `john.q.engineer@eng.sun.com'?? because that is not a login, but rather a mailbox address? ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12:38:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21225 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hod (hod.tera.com [206.215.142.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21197; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [206.215.142.62]) by hod (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11766; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:37:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06009; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610071937.MAA06009@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: <199610071922.OAA13826@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "Oct 7, 96 02:22:55 pm" To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kline@tera.com, branson@widomaker.com, kajtzu@iug.org, erik@il.ft.hse.nl, questions@FreeBSD.org, Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, isp@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Joe Greco: > > In the my two-cents-worth department, I agree with this > > logic. The 8-character-length was from the days when > > virtually no one saw the need for more than a few computers > > total in the universe. > > > > Times have changed. > > > > To the core group and other OS gurus, and whoever else > > may be interested, I pose this question: couldn't the > > 8 be changed to, say, 64 without causing any hassles > > anywhere? How does Sun, for one, get away with logins > > like `john.q.engineer@eng.sun.com'?? > > because that is not a login, but rather a mailbox address? > Mmmf; yeah, and it's a mail alias like Mike Murphy says. --I've relied on aliases for smail3 stuff months, years back. Still, same question to the Core gurus: why can't the default be reset to 64 bytes MAX for login? --gdk > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12:50:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA22088 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22081; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id OAA13921; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:47:15 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610071947.OAA13921@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase To: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, kline@tera.com, branson@widomaker.com, kajtzu@iug.org, erik@il.ft.hse.nl, questions@FreeBSD.org, Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610071937.MAA06009@athena.tera.com> from "Gary Kline" at Oct 7, 96 12:37:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > because that is not a login, but rather a mailbox address? > > Mmmf; yeah, and it's a mail alias like Mike > Murphy says. --I've relied on aliases for > smail3 stuff months, years back. > > Still, same question to the Core gurus: why > can't the default be reset to 64 bytes MAX > for login? Maybe because it would be a real pain to have to remember 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 my.very.long.and.annoying.log.in.name.which.formats.poorly.in.w@freebsd.org % w 2:44PM up 62 days, 8:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.25, 0.14, 0.09 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT my.very.long.and.annoying.log.in.name.which.formats.poorly.in.w p1 freefall 08Aug96 3:32 w % Aside from the traditional "size" argument, I don't see anything that would prevent a site from doing this. ON THE OTHER HAND, I see no particularly good reason to implement it as default .. particularly with 64 characters. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12:54:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA22422 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i-gw.dalsys.com (i-gw.dalsys.com [207.42.153.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22414 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by i-gw.dalsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA20859 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:54:52 -0500 Received: from future.dsc.dalsys.com(199.170.161.3) by i-gw.dalsys.com via smap (V1.3) id sma020856; Mon Oct 7 14:54:43 1996 Received: from richards.dsc.dalsys.com by future.dsc.dalsys.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/8.6.12) id AA114761; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:59:46 -0500 Message-Id: <32597D3F.383B@herald.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 14:59:27 -0700 From: Richard Stanford Organization: Herald Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: User name length limit increase References: <199610071824.LAA05970@athena.tera.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Kline wrote: > anywhere? How does Sun, for one, get away with logins > like `john.q.engineer@eng.sun.com'?? Well, that's an email address, not a login -- which is probably an alias to something unpronouncable like enginejq on the eng machine. It's a fair question, though. My system skills aren't good enough that I feel comfortable changing the length and diving into whichever critical piece of software no longer works, but I'd love to be able to offer longer usernames... -Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 13:15:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA24727 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toth.hq.ferg.com (pm1-07.wmbg.widomaker.com [206.161.154.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24711; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toth.hq.ferg.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toth.hq.ferg.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12469; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:00:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Branson Matheson X-Sender: branson@toth.hq.ferg.com To: Joe Greco cc: Gary Kline , jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, kajtzu@iug.org, erik@il.ft.hse.nl, questions@FreeBSD.org, Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: <199610071947.OAA13921@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > my.very.long.and.annoying.log.in.name.which.formats.poorly.in.w@freebsd.org > > % w > 2:44PM up 62 days, 8:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.25, 0.14, 0.09 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > my.very.long.and.annoying.log.in.name.which.formats.poorly.in.w p1 freefall 08Aug96 3:32 w > % > > Aside from the traditional "size" argument, I don't see anything that would > prevent a site from doing this. ON THE OTHER HAND, I see no particularly > good reason to implement it as default .. particularly with 64 characters. Agreed :-) 64 characters is a bit excessive.. but 32 would not be.. for the same reason as that mail alias.... this compnay has 5000+ associates and I have many occurances of people with the same name so anything I can do to make it idiot proof is a good thing... for instance my name has 16 characters in it.. branson.matheson@ferg.com would be nice and easy to remember. On the other hand.. I would not want to type that all the time to login.. so there is a trade off... for my users here... I may force them to use the long name.. but my power users I would probably let them have the shorter name. -branson ============================================================================= Branson Matheson | Ferguson Enterprises | If Pete and Repeat were System Administrator | W: (804) 874-7795 | sittin on a fence and Pete Unix, Perl, WWW | branson@widomaker.com | fell off, who is left? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 13:51:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27398 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tahoma.cwu.edu (skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu [198.104.65.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27393 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tahoma.cwu.edu; id AA01981; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:48:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Timmons To: Dev Chanchani Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BPF In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk man pcap man tcpdump cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump; more *.c :) This is a very good start. Stevens TCP Illustrated v1 and possibly v2 might also be of interest to you. -Chris On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Dev Chanchani wrote: > I was doing some tinkering with the /dev/bpf device. > > My understanding is that reading from the bpf device gives you a raw dump > of the data over the network. > > You will have a bpf header (18 bytes?) > Then I need to know the ip_offset for packets comming > in over the ed1 network interface so I can start calculating > how much traffic is going to what address based on the ip header. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 14:28:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00660 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.trifecta.com (www.trifecta.com [206.245.150.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00652 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dev@localhost) by www.trifecta.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA12461; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: Chris Timmons cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BPF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chris, I looked at the tcpdump source code and did not find what I was looking for. It must be in there somewhere, guess I will take another gander. As well as Stevens Programming Books (I have the Network Programming), would that be BSD specific (deal with /dev/bpf?) Thanks, Dev On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Chris Timmons wrote: > > man pcap > man tcpdump > > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump; more *.c > > :) > > This is a very good start. Stevens TCP Illustrated v1 and possibly v2 > might also be of interest to you. > > -Chris > > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Dev Chanchani wrote: > > > I was doing some tinkering with the /dev/bpf device. > > > > My understanding is that reading from the bpf device gives you a raw dump > > of the data over the network. > > > > You will have a bpf header (18 bytes?) > > Then I need to know the ip_offset for packets comming > > in over the ed1 network interface so I can start calculating > > how much traffic is going to what address based on the ip header. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 14:41:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01683 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noc.msc.edu (noc.msc.edu [137.66.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01674 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA11225; Mon, 7 Oct 96 16:41:01 -0500 Received: from fergus-26.dialup.prtel.com by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA09550; Mon, 7 Oct 96 16:40:57 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA06214; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:41:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:41:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199610072141.QAA06214@compound.Think.COM> To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com Cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase References: <199610071937.MAA06009@athena.tera.com> <199610071947.OAA13921@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : Aside from the traditional "size" argument, I don't see anything that would : prevent a site from doing this. ON THE OTHER HAND, I see no particularly : good reason to implement it as default .. particularly with 64 characters. What *should* it be, then? ((1<; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00278; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:46:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BPF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My understanding is that reading from the bpf device gives you a raw dump > of the data over the network. > You will have a bpf header (18 bytes?) > Then I need to know the ip_offset for packets comming > in over the ed1 network interface so I can start calculating > how much traffic is going to what address based on the ip header. The usuall way to keep track of traffic is to use IP accounting. Any FreeBSD machine can be set up to keep track of how much data it is sending/receiving to/from any address/port. Look at the man page for ipfw if you haven't already. If you're trying to use a promiscious-mode FreeBSD machine to do accounting for machines that don't have IP accounting facilities, then what you're doing kinda makes sense... But, I think it probably would still be better to use the existing IP accounting facilities if possible... Is it possible to do IP accounting for other machines on the network, if the interface is in promiscous mode? Can it be done with a kernel hack? Sorry I can't answer your question, but the idea of using bpf to do IP accounting doesn't seem quite right to me. (But what do I know? I haven't looked at those parts of the kernel.) ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 15:20:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA04125 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (jvissers@monet.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04117; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jvissers@localhost) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.6/8.7.3) id AAA22841; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:20:01 +0200 From: Jos Vissers Message-Id: <199610072220.AAA22841@monet.telebyte.nl> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase To: cassy@loop.com (Cassandra Perkins) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:20:01 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Cassandra Perkins" at Oct 7, 96 09:58:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cassandra Perkins wrote: > I believe using NIS will allow you to increase your login name space. Indeed it will, but for security reasons we stopped running NIS and that's when I found out about the name limit. Jos -- Jos Vissers, System administrator Telebyte From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 16:20:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08002 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07982; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA01591; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:34:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11917; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:15:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: Branson Matheson cc: Joe Greco , Gary Kline , kajtzu@iug.org, erik@il.ft.hse.nl, questions@freebsd.org, Jos.Vissers@telebyte.NL, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Branson Matheson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > my.very.long.and.annoying.log.in.name.which.formats.poorly.in.w@freebsd.org > > > > % w > > 2:44PM up 62 days, 8:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.25, 0.14, 0.09 > > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > > my.very.long.and.annoying.log.in.name.which.formats.poorly.in.w p1 freefall 08Aug96 3:32 w > > % > > > > Aside from the traditional "size" argument, I don't see anything that would > > prevent a site from doing this. ON THE OTHER HAND, I see no particularly > > good reason to implement it as default .. particularly with 64 characters. > > Agreed :-) 64 characters is a bit excessive.. but 32 would not be.. > for the same reason as that mail alias.... How about having the traditional 8 char limit on usernames but modify adduser to automatically prompt for an email alias when adding new users. Have the email alias automatically added to a userdb and have sendmail already configured to do lookups in this userdb. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 17:21:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12231 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.cpl.net (root@[206.171.202.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12198 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pink (pink.cpl.net [206.171.202.66]) by luke.cpl.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09718 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961008001745.008eca1c@computerstopusa.com> X-Sender: shawn@computerstopusa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 17:17:45 -0700 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Shawn Ramsey Subject: ... Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk anyone know if it is possible to disable, or redirect to a file, when someone logs into root, it displays it on the console, usually messing up whatever u are doing(such as editing a file, etc). ? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 18:09:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16130 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16121 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA07343 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA02249; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:04:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:04:14 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Shawn Ramsey cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961008001745.008eca1c@computerstopusa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I suggest you look at /etc/syslog.conf for where these messages are directed. Danny On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > anyone know if it is possible to disable, or redirect to a file, when > someone logs into root, it displays it on the console, usually messing up > whatever u are doing(such as editing a file, etc). ? > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 18:21:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16911 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.tnet.com.au (access.tnet.com.au [203.15.94.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16904 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from aonline@localhost) by access.tnet.com.au (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA03934; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:25:04 +0800 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:25:03 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Switching from Linux to FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am in charge of a small ISP that currently runs Linux on all of it's servers, but i wish to give FreeBSD a try on one of them. But i have a couple of questions. 1) We currently have a couple of Stallion Easy I/O cards in our dial in server, and i am wondering if their is a driver for FreeBSD available ? 2) How do you change a users default shell ? I tried editing the passwd file to /bin/bash, but even after makeing that change you still get a shell of /bin/sh. What am i doing wrong ? 3) Is their any advantage in running FreeBSD instead of Linux, i.e.. does it run better/faster ? I dont have any problem with Linux, but FreeBSD seems to have a few differences that i cant work out, but i want to give it a try, to see if it does the job any better than linux. thanks Michael Slater aonline@tnet.com.au From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 19:18:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21621 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (jeff@mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21615 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id VAA30195; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:21:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:21:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeff.Lynch-JORSM.Internet" To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Shawn Ramsey , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > I suggest you look at /etc/syslog.conf for where these messages are directed. > > Danny > > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > anyone know if it is possible to disable, or redirect to a file, when > > someone logs into root, it displays it on the console, usually messing up > > whatever u are doing(such as editing a file, etc). ? If editing a file or viewing one with a pager (such as less or more) just refresh the screen (^L). The console messages are not entered into the file you are editing. I know this isn't the real answer to your question and it is annoying, but rather harmless nonetheless. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 20:31:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA28026 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (h-advertise.x31.infi.net [206.27.115.62]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28014 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA01547; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:30:19 -0400 (EDT) From: jack X-Sender: jack@localhost To: Shawn Ramsey cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961008001745.008eca1c@computerstopusa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > anyone know if it is possible to disable, or redirect to a file, when > someone logs into root, it displays it on the console, usually messing up > whatever u are doing(such as editing a file, etc). ? man syslog.conf(5) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@onyx.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 23:09:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18619 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.win.net (ns2.win.net [204.215.209.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA18608 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from launchpad.win.net (launchpad@localhost) by ns2.win.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA12908 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 01:59:39 -0400 Received: by win.net!launchpad; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 01:14:17 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v4.0a Message-ID: Reply-To: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 01:14:17 -0400 Subject: Subnetting From: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a question about subnetting. Why is it a no-no to use all zero (or all 1 for that matter) subnet numbers? Everything says, "Don't do it," but nothing says why, beyond the fact that it's non-standard. In the end everything points at RFC 950, which just says, "It's not recommended," again without giving a reason. Okay, so I accept that it's non-standard, but it should work. Even Cisco's documentation admits that it works, while saying, "We don't advise it." My question is... Is there some specific *technical* reason for not doing it? Is it bad for any performance reason? Is there anything that will malfunction because of it? I mean, abiding by this standard sacrifices a lot of IP numbers. I'd like to know why I'm doing it beyond "being a good little netter." Joe Mays From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 02:12:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA11115 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (jvissers@monet.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11110; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jvissers@localhost) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA32726; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:12:11 +0200 From: Jos Vissers Message-Id: <199610080912.LAA32726@monet.telebyte.nl> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:12:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Oct 7, 96 04:15:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Dillon wrote: > How about having the traditional 8 char limit on usernames but modify > adduser to automatically prompt for an email alias when adding new users. > Have the email alias automatically added to a userdb and have sendmail > already configured to do lookups in this userdb. We already have sendmail looking in a userdb for mail aliases and shadow domains but some users just can't be made to understand that their username is not the same as their email address. Besides, we are migrating from Linux to FreeBSD and because Linux does allow long usernames we already have exisiting "long users". But increasing UT_NAMESIZE followed by a make world does appear to have worked. Now all I have to do is patch up who and w and the likes to make the output a bit more convenient. Jos -- Jos Vissers, System administrator Telebyte From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 02:21:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA11548 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Vorlon.odc.net (nwestfal@Vorlon.odc.net [207.137.42.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11543 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nwestfal@localhost) by Vorlon.odc.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id CAA07816; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:20:45 -0700 From: Neal Westfall Message-Id: <199610080920.CAA07816@Vorlon.odc.net> Subject: Re: Switching from Linux to FreeBSD To: aonline@access.tnet.com.au (Michael Slater) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Slater" at Oct 8, 96 09:25:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 2) How do you change a users default shell ? I tried editing the passwd file > to /bin/bash, but even after makeing that change you still get a shell of > /bin/sh. What am i doing wrong ? FreeBSD uses shadow passwords, and rebuilds a password database every time the password file is changed. The correct file to edit is /etc/master.passwd, and you should just use vipw to change it, since vipw rebuilds the password file when you are done editing. > 3) Is their any advantage in running FreeBSD instead of Linux, i.e.. does it > run better/faster ? Probably the best advice is to not change anything if your servers are running fine right now. I tried to use FreeBSD as a news server but kept experiencing kernel panics. Eventually we threw up our hands and switched to linux and it has run fairly well ever since, which goes against the conventional wisdom, which says that FreeBSD is supposed to be the better choice for a news server. > > I dont have any problem with Linux, but FreeBSD seems to have a few > differences that i cant work out, but i want to give it a try, to see if > it does the job any better than linux. > If your servers are running fine, it is doubtful you are going to notice much difference between the two. If it ain't broke...... Neal Westfall nwestfal@odc.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 03:02:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA14722 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.cpl.net (root@[206.171.202.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA14715 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pink (pink.cpl.net [206.171.202.66]) by luke.cpl.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA12323 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961008095850.00964bec@computerstopusa.com> X-Sender: shawn@computerstopusa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 02:58:50 -0700 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Shawn Ramsey Subject: Virtual mail Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone. Does anyone here have any experience setting up "virtual mail servers" ? I just finished setting it up, and it is working surprising well. :) Just one thing... I had it working, so I stupidly changed the located of the db alias file to /etc/mail. This apparanly broke it. Not that it is a very big deal, but is there a way to get this working in another directory other than /etc? I changed this line: Kmbt hash /etc/mbt.db to Kmbt hash /etc/mail/mbt.db If anyone knows how to get it to work like that, please let me know, although it isnt very critical. :) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 03:22:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA16341 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.cpl.net (root@[206.171.202.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16334 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pink (pink.cpl.net [206.171.202.66]) by luke.cpl.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA12426 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961008101920.009984fc@computerstopusa.com> X-Sender: shawn@computerstopusa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 03:19:20 -0700 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Shawn Ramsey Subject: Re: ... Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:51 PM 10/7/96 -0400, you wrote: >Quoting Shawn Ramsey (shawn@computerstopusa.com): >> anyone know if it is possible to disable, or redirect to a file, when >> someone logs into root, it displays it on the console, usually messing up >> whatever u are doing(such as editing a file, etc). ? >> > >Don't login in as root, use su instead. I was. But I already fixed it(thanks for all the replies:) ). Just had to edit /etc/syslog.conf. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 04:32:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20407 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 04:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tbd.gfoster.com ([204.157.123.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA20384; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 04:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by tbd.gfoster.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id HAA07442; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:31:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199610081131.HAA07442@tbd.gfoster.com> To: Jos.Vissers@telebyte.nl CC: michael@memra.com, questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199610080912.LAA32726@monet.telebyte.nl> (message from Jos Vissers on Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:12:10 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: User name length limit increase Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, the obvious thing that jumps out here is to extend aliasing capabilities to authentication as well as mail. It seems that this might be more easily done than wholesale conversion to long user names. Why shouldn't you have as many names for a user as you can stand (without additional entries in /etc/passwd)? The system would report the unique eight character passwd userid in the "who utilities" and logs reducing the need to deal with formatting issues. Of course that is yet another database in /etc that would have to be maintained but it could be optional. I'm sure there are other issues that would have to be addressed but it would be pretty useful. Glen Foster >From: Jos Vissers >Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:12:10 +0200 (MET DST) >Cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org > >We already have sendmail looking in a userdb for mail aliases and shadow >domains but some users just can't be made to understand that their >username is not the same as their email address. > >Jos From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 05:26:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22582 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 05:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22577 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 05:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (rls@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id IAA05265; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA22514; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199610081225.IAA22514@server.id.net> Subject: Re: redundant news systems In-Reply-To: <199610031638.LAA06994@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "Oct 3, 96 11:38:41 am" To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Everyone should be concerned with reducing network traffic. > > > > DNS is cached by everyone and everything, because although it seems > > short and sweet, it's often slow. Loading down nameservers unnecessarily > > makes matters worse. > > > > You and your systems aren't the only ones affected. > > Why would anybody else's systems be doing dozens of name lookups per > second for my news server? They are not allowed to use my news server. > Maybe they are just looking for a good time. In any case, why should I > worry about it? > > Think about that for a bit and then get back to me, eh? :-) Do you have some special way of telling your DNS server that your TTL for news.mei.com is differrent than the TTL for ftp..mei.com, or the MX record for mei.com?? -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 06:28:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA26358 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (root@zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26332 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sister.ludd.luth.se (sister.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA12743; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:27:36 +0200 Received: from localhost (pantzer@localhost) by sister.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA02005; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:27:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:27:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mattias Pantzare To: Robert Shady cc: Joe Greco , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: redundant news systems In-Reply-To: <199610081225.IAA22514@server.id.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Do you have some special way of telling your DNS server that your TTL for > news.mei.com is differrent than the TTL for ftp..mei.com, or the MX > record for mei.com?? That is realy easy. Just put the ttl after the name, but before IN. Take a look at: http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/docs/bog/bog.html From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 06:29:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA26478 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (dunn@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26469 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dunn@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA23323; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:29:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn To: Robert Shady cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: redundant news systems In-Reply-To: <199610081225.IAA22514@server.id.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Robert Shady wrote: > Do you have some special way of telling your DNS server that your TTL for > news.mei.com is differrent than the TTL for ftp..mei.com, or the MX > record for mei.com?? Yes. See section 6.5 of BOG or RFC1035. The TTL in the SOA record is the minimum. -BD From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 07:12:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA28374 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28369 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17790; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:23:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:23:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199610081423.KAA17790@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Neal Westfall From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Switching from Linux to FreeBSD Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Someone wrote.... >If your servers are running fine, it is doubtful you are going to notice >much difference between the two. If it ain't broke...... As a router, you will be much happier with FreeBsd........stability-wise and performance-wise..... Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 07:27:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA29011 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zNET.com (sd01.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29006; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fvarnell (sdas1-48.znet.com [207.167.65.48]) by zNET.com (8.8.0/8.8.0-jjb-sd01) with SMTP id HAA28381; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325A6445.52E@sd.znet.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 07:25:09 -0700 From: Frank Varnell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: atapi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been unable to install freebsd on my new computer. I have a Compaq 133Mhz Presario #4706. It has 2.5MB hard disk and an 8x IDE CDROM (I don't know which brand).Also has Windows95. I bought the Walnut Creek 2.1.5 Aug '96 release. It didn't have the ATAPI.flp files mentioned in the book. So, I went back to the 2.1 release which I had successfully installed on another machine (dell w/ atapi). One of the reasons I bought this machine was that I thought a popular, mainstream machine would make an easy BSD install. Yes, I checked the archives (for hours!). Lot's of similar questions but no answers that I could find. Here is the problem. Running the install either from CD or 2.1 atapi.flp, after specifying the install parameters (disk partition,x11 preferences, etc.) when the install program asks for install medium and I specify CDROM, it tells me it can't find the CDROM device. Anyone able to help here? Pleeeze! From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 08:01:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00916 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00910; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous230.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.230]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA07786; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:36:34 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00984; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:33:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:33:35 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199610081233.OAA00984@campa.panke.de> To: Jos Vissers Cc: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon), questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User name length limit increase In-Reply-To: <199610080912.LAA32726@monet.telebyte.nl> References: <199610080912.LAA32726@monet.telebyte.nl> Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jos Vissers writes: >But increasing UT_NAMESIZE followed by a make world does appear to >have worked. Now all I have to do is patch up who and w and the likes >to make the output a bit more convenient. The NIS protocol mandates an 8-character username. --Wolfram Schneider From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 08:50:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA03279 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.barcode.co.il (gatekeeper.barcode.co.il [192.116.93.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03232; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nadav@localhost) by gatekeeper.barcode.co.il (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA13342; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:47:49 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:47:49 +0200 (IST) From: Nadav Eiron To: Frank Varnell cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi In-Reply-To: <325A6445.52E@sd.znet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Frank Varnell wrote: > I have been unable to install freebsd on my new computer. > I have a Compaq 133Mhz Presario #4706. It has 2.5MB hard disk and > an 8x IDE CDROM (I don't know which brand).Also has Windows95. > I bought the Walnut Creek 2.1.5 Aug '96 release. It didn't have > the ATAPI.flp files mentioned in the book. So, I went back to the > 2.1 release which I had successfully installed on another > machine (dell w/ atapi). There is no atapi.flp in 2.1.5R because with this release the ATAPI support is built into the standard install floppy. You can use it just the same. > One of the reasons I bought this machine was that I thought a popular, > mainstream machine would make an easy BSD install. Well, from what I've heard, Compaqs are known PCI trouble makers, so that's not such a good choice. > > Yes, I checked the archives (for hours!). Lot's of similar questions > but no answers that I could find. > > Here is the problem. Running the install either from CD or 2.1 > atapi.flp, after specifying the install parameters (disk > partition,x11 preferences, etc.) when the install program asks for > install medium and I specify CDROM, it tells me it can't find the > CDROM device. Make sure that the CDROM is connected as the slave on the primary EIDE controller. Look at the boot messages and see if it is being recognized (it'll say something about atapi and wcd0). If not - try moving it to the master position on the secondary controller. In any case, have the CD loaded when the machine boots. Sometimes it matters. > Anyone able to help here? Pleeeze! > I also saw some references on patches to the driver that make it compatible with some more CDROM drives. Look in the archives for the hackers list, and search for atapi (if I remeber correctly). Good luck, Nadav From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 09:09:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04164 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04157 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA24732; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:06:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:06:24 -0700 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199610081606.JAA24732@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Subnetting Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a question about subnetting. Why is it a no-no to use all > zero (or all 1 for that matter) subnet numbers? Everything says, > "Don't do it," but nothing says why, beyond the fact that it's > non-standard. In the end everything points at RFC 950, which just > says, "It's not recommended," again without giving a reason.... > Is there some specific *technical* reason for not doing it? It means you can't tell the difference between a subnet-directed broadcast and a network broadcast. Subnet-directed broadcast: Net value: x Subnet value: y Host value: all 1's (or all 0's if brain-damage) All subnets broadcast: Net value: x Subnet value: all 1's (or all 0's if brain-damage) Host value: all 1's (or all 0's if brain-damage) If you allow a subnet value of all 0's (or all 1's), then you can't tell these two cases apart. Whether this is enough reason to avoid these subnets is debatable. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 09:29:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05662 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05657 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA15329; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:28:10 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610081628.LAA15329@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: redundant news systems To: rls@mail.id.net (Robert Shady) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:28:10 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610081225.IAA22514@server.id.net> from "Robert Shady" at Oct 8, 96 08:25:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Do you have some special way of telling your DNS server that your TTL for > news.mei.com is differrent than the TTL for ftp..mei.com, or the MX > record for mei.com?? Yes and it's called RTFM. ;-) You can specify an optional TTL on a per record basis. {name} {ttl} addr-class A address news 60 IN A 169.207.30.21 One of the least used features I've seen in BIND. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 10:30:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08765 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noc.msc.edu (noc.msc.edu [137.66.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08741; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA24030; Tue, 8 Oct 96 12:30:28 -0500 Received: from fergus-26.dialup.prtel.com by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA25323; Tue, 8 Oct 96 12:30:23 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA28347; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:31:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:31:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199610081731.MAA28347@compound.Think.COM> To: nadav@barcode.co.il Cc: fvarnell@znet.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: atapi References: <325A6445.52E@sd.znet.com> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Nadav Eiron on Tue, 8 October: : Well, from what I've heard, Compaqs are known PCI trouble makers, so that's : not such a good choice. I'll second that baseless rumor. I wonder about the Dell SDRAM systems, though. Any experience out there? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 12:37:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18994 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [206.169.44.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18988 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04176 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.6) id MAA16500 for isp@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199610081936.MAA16500@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Question about networks To: isp@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. This has nothing with FreeBSD to do, but I need the openion of other ISPs. Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge $100/month per class C network. Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. What do you think of this ? Regards, Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services | http://www.Lamb.net/ | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 13:14:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21504 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.cpl.net (root@[206.171.202.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21495 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pink (pink.cpl.net [206.171.202.66]) by luke.cpl.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00246 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961008201056.00979c34@computerstopusa.com> X-Sender: shawn@computerstopusa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 13:10:56 -0700 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Shawn Ramsey Subject: Re: Virtual mail Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Kmbt hash /etc/mbt.db >> >> to >> >> Kmbt hash /etc/mail/mbt.db >> >> >> If anyone knows how to get it to work like that, please let me know, >> although it isnt very critical. :) >> > >Restart sendmail. Umm, I tinkered for an hour before I finally gave up, restarting sendmail everytime I changed something. :) Someone suggested recompiling sendmail, and another said its not recommended to change directories. Guess I'll just leave it as is. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 13:39:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23517 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (dunn@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23508 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dunn@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19615; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:38:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: isp@FREEBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about networks In-Reply-To: <199610081936.MAA16500@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think it is BS. Being in Alameda I would think you should have a plethora of clueful upstream alternatives. Check http://thelist.iworld.com/areacode/510.html and just go down the list searching for a provider who meets your needs. In the US most providers will allocate you address blocks based on need, and will then route those for you as part of the standard bandwidth charge. Charging for routing may be a reality some day, but at this point, in the US at least, it is rare. And help me out here with the math. A /19 is 32 "class Cs", right? 32 * $100 = $3200. So they charge more for aggregation? That is *total* BS. -BD (not BS :) On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge > $100/month per class C network. Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block > they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. > > What do you think of this ? > > Regards, > Ulf. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 > Lamb Art Internet Services | http://www.Lamb.net/ | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 13:50:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA24730 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24725 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-089.cdmo.com (ppp-089.cdmo.com [204.141.95.148]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA20099; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:01:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:01:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199610082101.RAA20099@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ulf Zimmermann From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Question about networks Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hi. > >This has nothing with FreeBSD to do, but I need the openion of other ISPs. > >Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge >$100/month per class C network. Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block >they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. I think its time to fire up those IPX proxy servers and screw 'em good! Just give each customer 1 host address..... Dennis > >What do you think of this ? > >Regards, >Ulf. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 >Lamb Art Internet Services | http://www.Lamb.net/ | http://www.Alameda.net > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 14:00:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25292 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noc.msc.edu (noc.msc.edu [137.66.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25282 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA11942; Tue, 8 Oct 96 15:59:32 -0500 Received: from fergus-26.dialup.prtel.com by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA26683; Tue, 8 Oct 96 15:59:29 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA16980; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:00:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:00:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199610082100.QAA16980@compound.Think.COM> To: ulf@Lamb.net Cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Question about networks References: <199610081936.MAA16500@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Ulf Zimmermann on Tue, 8 October: : Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge : $100/month per class C network. That would be more than reasonable in the current market where I live. : Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block : they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. : What do you think of this ? I think that if you send me their domain, I'll filter all their traffic. Routing must be free to everyone, or there is no Internet and we can all go home. Soon I expect to see virtualization ISPs start up, which will provide tunnel routes through hostile providers such as you describe, thus decoupling the address space provision from uplink provision. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 14:12:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26320 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [206.169.44.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26311 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04400; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.6) id OAA17318; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199610082111.OAA17318@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: Question about networks To: joe@smartlink.net (Joseph McDonald) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ulf@Lamb.net, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <325ac0df.1755766@mail.smartlink.net> from Joseph McDonald at "Oct 8, 96 09:02:39 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >This has nothing with FreeBSD to do, but I need the openion of other ISPs. > > > >Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge > >$100/month per class C network. Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block > >they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. > > > >What do you think of this ? > > Get another provider. We give out address space as our clients need it, so > do both of my upstreams (sprint, ln). How much space are you asking for? > What sort of justification are you giving? > > regards, > -joe > > I am in the process to sell mainly 64K and 128K Centrex ISDN connections. Plus several Frame Relay connections (56K and up). Most of this customers are small business. I am almost finished to create a web interface, where they can change themself the reverse lookup (for smaller then /24 nets). I have already 5 customer signed up, even the PRIs are not installed yet. Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services | http://www.Lamb.net/ | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 15:30:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07039 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07012 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA01868; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:29:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:29:53 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about networks In-Reply-To: <199610081936.MAA16500@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge > $100/month per class C network. Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block > they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. > What do you think of this ? Yurk! They are obviously trying to avoid providing access to other ISPs. If they were trying to make people use CIDR more I would have expected a charge like $100/time-unit for 1 Class C and $500/time-unit for /19. Having "month" as time-unit is outrageous. $100 per year might be reasonable, depending on their reasons. As an aside: Telstra Internet in Australia charge A$2000 (US$1600) per month for BGP4 routing updates!! Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 16:30:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15961 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com ([198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15949 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06082; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610082330.QAA06082@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Question about networks In-Reply-To: <199610081936.MAA16500@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> from Ulf Zimmermann at "Oct 8, 96 12:36:27 pm" To: ulf@Lamb.net (Ulf Zimmermann) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi. > > This has nothing with FreeBSD to do, but I need the openion of other ISPs. > > Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge > $100/month per class C network. Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block > they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. > > What do you think of this ? I'd find another provider.... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 21:44:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05074 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunasci.infored.com.mx (sunasci.infored.com.mx [200.13.66.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05067 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from felipe@localhost) by sunasci.infored.com.mx (8.7.6/8.7.3) id XAA04125; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:43:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Felipe Rivera Marquez To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: BIND & xtacacs exiting on signal 11 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there... I've just installed a server with FreeBSD... working as a DNS & tacacs server. I've compiled both (BIND and Xtacacs from Vikas) with a few warnings. Do you think this is the reason why they're making the segmentation violation?? (ok.. i guess you need the warnings).. but one thing.. the tacacs thing fixed puting it in inetd, but BIND...?? have anyone of you had this problem??? i'm not a native english speaker.. so just pass over my mistakes :) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 22:36:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08109 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.bisnet.net (bisnet.axisnet.net [206.54.226.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08104; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danf@localhost) by server1.bisnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA12948; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:38:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:38:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Daniel C. Fifield" To: isp@freebsd.org, install@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.ord Subject: Problem setting up nntpd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am attempting to setup nntpd. I installed it and changed the owner and group to news on all the files. I also changed the nntp line in the /etc/inetd.conf file to look like: nntp stream tcp nowait news /usr/local/libexec/nntpd nntpd I sent a HUP signal to the inetd process, but I am still getting Connection Refused if I attempt to telnet to the 119 port. Please help! Sincerely, Daniel C. Fifield From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 23:17:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10339 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tu.kielce.pl (andrzej@eden.tu.kielce.pl [193.59.4.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10126 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from andrzej@localhost) by tu.kielce.pl (8.7.5/8.7.3/ts-ugUA.960515) id IAA07453; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:13:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andrzej Szydlo Message-Id: <199610090613.IAA07453@tu.kielce.pl> Subject: IPX proxy servers (was Re: Question about networks) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:13:05 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199610082101.RAA20099@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Oct 8, 96 05:01:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > >$100/month per class C network. Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block > > I think its time to fire up those IPX proxy servers and screw 'em good! > > Just give each customer 1 host address..... > > Dennis Where could I find out more information about IPX proxy servers? Andrzej From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 23:30:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12646 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12634; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA25716; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:44:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA02533; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:25:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: install@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@freebsd.ord Subject: Re: Problem setting up nntpd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Daniel C. Fifield wrote: > I am attempting to setup nntpd. I installed it and changed the owner and > group to news on all the files. I also changed the nntp line in the > /etc/inetd.conf file to look like: > > nntp stream tcp nowait news /usr/local/libexec/nntpd nntpd > > I sent a HUP signal to the inetd process, but I am still getting > Connection Refused if I attempt to telnet to the 119 port. You posted this to the ISP mailing list, therefore you are doing *EVERYTHING* wrong. You should be running INN instead and if you have problems with that 95% are answered in the excellent INN FAQ and the rest can be discussed in news.software.nntp NNTPD is only intended for very small news servers. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 00:26:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA27676 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from foo.primenet.com (ip029.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27650; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bkogawa@localhost) by foo.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA17392; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610090732.AAA17392@foo.primenet.com> To: danf@server1.bisnet.net Subject: Re: Problem setting up nntpd Newsgroups: localhost.freebsd.questions References: From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" Cc: isp@freebsd.org, install@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.ord X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In localhost.freebsd.questions you write: >I am attempting to setup nntpd. I installed it and changed the owner and >group to news on all the files. I also changed the nntp line in the >/etc/inetd.conf file to look like: >nntp stream tcp nowait news /usr/local/libexec/nntpd nntpd Two things. 1. is nntp in /etc/services ? 2. Is your nntpd configured to accept connections from your IP address? (I believe that nntpd has access control options which you may be running afoul of?) Can you run nntpd by hand? (e.g. type /usr/local/libexec/nntpd and see what happens). >I sent a HUP signal to the inetd process, but I am still getting >Connection Refused if I attempt to telnet to the 119 port. >Please help! >Sincerely, >Daniel C. Fifield -- bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 06:35:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24830 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24824 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA16644; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:33:10 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610091333.IAA16644@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Question about networks To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ulf@lamb.net, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610082100.QAA16980@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at Oct 8, 96 04:00:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Quoth Ulf Zimmermann on Tue, 8 October: > : Regardless of the speed to my uplink provider, they want to charge > : $100/month per class C network. > > That would be more than reasonable in the current market where I live. Is that to route your own address space, or for them to delegate you a chunk of their address space? (The difference is subtle from a certain point of view). I get my address space from InterNIC, because I plan for the worst and I "expect" to have to switch connectivity providers in the future (well, I really do NOT want to, quite happy, but nonetheless I plan ahead for the worst case)... or if I become multihomed, which is not necessarily unlikely. > : Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block > : they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. > > : What do you think of this ? > > I think that if you send me their domain, I'll filter all their traffic. > Routing must be free to everyone, or there is no Internet and we can Routing, yes, delegation of address space, I want to say yes too, but it is "hard" for an ISP to get address space, and some may pass this on to the customer in the form of a charge. > all go home. Soon I expect to see virtualization ISPs start up, which > will provide tunnel routes through hostile providers such as you > describe, thus decoupling the address space provision from uplink > provision. This is already being done... well I don't know if anyone is doing it as a "virtual ISP" but I know of an organization that has a T1 Internet connection at their central office, doesn't want to pay for dedicated lines to faraway branch offices, so they buy "cheaper" single IP PPP or SLIP accounts with local ISP's. Then they tunnel their internal networks over to the remote office, encrypted, la da da... it even appears to them as a single network behind their firewall, very nice if you want that sort of centralization. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 07:50:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA28614 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (dunn@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28604 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dunn@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA14933; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn To: Joe Greco cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about networks In-Reply-To: <199610091333.IAA16644@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > : Or for routing of a /19 CIDR block > > : they want $4000/month for it plus the charge for the IP providing. > > > > : What do you think of this ? > > > > I think that if you send me their domain, I'll filter all their traffic. > > Routing must be free to everyone, or there is no Internet and we can > > Routing, yes, delegation of address space, I want to say yes too, but it > is "hard" for an ISP to get address space, and some may pass this on to > the customer in the form of a charge. I think any plan to charge for address space has to be accompanied by charges per route. If not, what are the incentives to aggregate? For example, let's say that an organization needs a /16. Let's say there is a market for addresses, but they find it is cheaper to buy 256 /24s instead of buy one /16. What is the incentive for them to get the /16? The answer may be management considerations or internal routing efficiency, but I think that if a market for addresses becomes reality, people will expect any addresses they buy to be routable. -BD From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 09:28:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06628 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (root@phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06616 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@asimov.volant.org Received: from asimov.volant.org (asimov.phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25880; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by asimov.volant.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25318; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:29:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:29:57 -0700 Message-Id: <9610091629.AA25318@asimov.volant.org> To: rickg@nwpros.com, richards@herald.net Subject: Re: Internet Explorer bug? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: patl@Phoenix.volant.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: IGQhSV4IMhLSMxOl2ciBlw== Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Ok, this reply is -way- late; but I've let mail from this list pile ] [ up unread for a couple of weeks... ] |> > ... |> |> Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator will do their best to "fix" |> broken HTML. This can lead to certain errors being masked, until the |> page is viewed by lynx or another more literal browser. The problem |> here is that any key-sequence beginning with & ( < & © ... ) |> should end with a semicolon ( ; ). |> |> I would suggest testing all pages with lynx as a matter of course (and |> every other browser you can get your hands on). This "feature" of |> Netscape and Microsoft browsers can cause some horrendous mistakes to |> appear correct. For instance, on a couple of occasions I've |> accidentally written: |> |> ... An even better idea is to run your pages through one of the free HTML verification services. You can find one, and pointers to others at: http://www.webtechs.com/html-val-svc/ This is not to disparage the benefits of ensuring that your pages still make sense, and even look OK, under as many browsers as possible, especially text-only browsers like lynx. But that's a 'meaningful content' check; if you want a 'correct HTML' check, use a verifier that checks against the DTD. -Pat My opinions are my own. For a small royalty, they can be yours as well... Pat Lashley, Senior Software Engineer, Henry Davis Consulting patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG || http://Phoenix.Volant.ORG/ || lashley@netcom.com PGP Key Fingerprint: 2C 2A A9 8E 86 F1 AE 17 55 9D 49 31 5B 96 E7 92 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 12:33:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA24609 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noc.msc.edu (noc.msc.edu [137.66.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24585 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA09033; Wed, 9 Oct 96 14:32:05 -0500 Received: from fergus-26.dialup.prtel.com by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA13694; Wed, 9 Oct 96 14:32:02 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA21809; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:32:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199610091932.OAA21809@compound.Think.COM> To: dunn@harborcom.net Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about networks References: <199610091333.IAA16644@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Bradley Dunn on Wed, 9 October: : I think any plan to charge for address space has to be accompanied by : charges per route. If not, what are the incentives to aggregate? : : For example, let's say that an organization needs a /16. Let's say there : is a market for addresses, but they find it is cheaper to buy 256 /24s : instead of buy one /16. What is the incentive for them to get the /16? On the other hand, in practice one would certainly expect 256 /24s to be substantially more expensive than one /16. I'd also very much like to hear more about IPX proxies. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 13:00:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27144 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27065 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (rls@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id QAA18688; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02267; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199610091959.PAA02267@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Question about networks In-Reply-To: from Bradley Dunn at "Oct 9, 96 10:49:09 am" To: dunn@harborcom.net (Bradley Dunn) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > : What do you think of this ? > > > > > > I think that if you send me their domain, I'll filter all their traffic. > > > Routing must be free to everyone, or there is no Internet and we can > > > > Routing, yes, delegation of address space, I want to say yes too, but it > > is "hard" for an ISP to get address space, and some may pass this on to > > the customer in the form of a charge. > > I think any plan to charge for address space has to be accompanied by > charges per route. If not, what are the incentives to aggregate? > > For example, let's say that an organization needs a /16. Let's say there > is a market for addresses, but they find it is cheaper to buy 256 /24s > instead of buy one /16. What is the incentive for them to get the /16? > > The answer may be management considerations or internal routing > efficiency, but I think that if a market for addresses becomes reality, > people will expect any addresses they buy to be routable. I'd have to agree.. There are way too many customers out there grabbing large chunks of address space that they have NO intentions of ever using. We give out /27's by default (32 IP's), and have only had about 2% of our customers ever request (or need) more, and we do have some fairly large corporations on the net right now... -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 14:02:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03960 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03940 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.8.0/8.7.3) id GAA21235; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 06:32:00 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 06:32:00 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199610092102.GAA21235@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about networks X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <53h2i1$kej@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : On the other hand, in practice one would certainly expect 256 /24s to : be substantially more expensive than one /16. : I'd also very much like to hear more about IPX proxies. Whats an IPX proxy? Are we talking Novell IPX/SPX stuff??? Or are we talking IP proxies, something along the line of NAT (Network Address Translation) that ipfilter uses? Grabbing the ipfilter package is a good start if your interested in this. As to what you could proxy with IPX I'm stumped. Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 16:33:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18100 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.cpl.net (root@[206.171.202.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18095 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pink (pink.cpl.net [206.171.202.66]) by luke.cpl.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03756 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961009233014.0071fb08@computerstopusa.com> X-Sender: shawn@computerstopusa.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 16:30:14 -0700 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Shawn Ramsey Subject: SSL Server? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know if this would really apply here.. but are there any, or is it even legal, to freely use an SSL encrpyting Web server in a commercial environment for free? The only one I have seemed to found, is Apache-SSL, but I couldnt get it to compile. The is also AolServer, but I really don't want to put up another server running Linux(ick) just for serving secure documents. Also, did Netscape completly drop BSD/OS from their supported servers? They used to have the News, Mail, and Commerce server available for BSDI, but no more... From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 16:37:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18461 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (dunn@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18455 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dunn@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA01862; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:35:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn To: Tony Kimball cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about networks In-Reply-To: <199610091932.OAA21809@compound.Think.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Bradley Dunn on Wed, 9 October: > : I think any plan to charge for address space has to be accompanied by > : charges per route. If not, what are the incentives to aggregate? > : > : For example, let's say that an organization needs a /16. Let's say there > : is a market for addresses, but they find it is cheaper to buy 256 /24s > : instead of buy one /16. What is the incentive for them to get the /16? > > On the other hand, in practice one would certainly expect 256 /24s to > be substantially more expensive than one /16. Why? If you have a /16 and individual /24s are going for more than a /16, why would you sell it as a /16 instead of selling the individual /24s? If anything, I would think a /16 would cost more, because it would be more desirable than 256 /24s in the case of route filters or route charges. > I'd also very much like to hear more about IPX proxies. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/751/ij/home.html is one. -BD From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 18:18:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26738 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26732 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA02268; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:19:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Shawn Ramsey cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSL Server? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961009233014.0071fb08@computerstopusa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > I don't know if this would really apply here.. but are there any, or is it > even legal, to freely use an SSL encrpyting Web server in a commercial > environment for free? No clue about this. I know that the SSLeay code on which Apache SSL relies does have some copyright problems as far as some of the encryption schemes if brought into the US. > > The only one I have seemed to found, is Apache-SSL, but I couldnt get it to > compile. The is also AolServer, but I really don't want to put up another > server running Linux(ick) just for serving secure documents. I was able to successfully compile (httpsd) and install Apache-SSL under FreeBSD-2.1.5, 2.1.0 doesn't work. The only problem is that the configuration has gotten me stumped and I haven't gone any further on it. > Also, did Netscape completly drop BSD/OS from their supported servers? They > used to have the News, Mail, and Commerce server available for BSDI, but no > more... Yes, too bad because the communication server runs very well under FreeBSD-2.1.5. It installs and runs without a single oddity. Now all we need is a web based configuration interface for Apache, and it would KICK netscape's butt! Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 01:51:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA01269 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noc.msc.edu (noc.msc.edu [137.66.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA01257 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA21366; Thu, 10 Oct 96 03:50:51 -0500 Received: from fergus-17.dialup.prtel.com by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA23996; Thu, 10 Oct 96 03:50:48 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.6/8.7.3) id DAA08019; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:50:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:50:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199610100850.DAA08019@compound.Think.COM> To: dunn@harborcom.net Cc: alk@Think.COM, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about networks References: <199610091932.OAA21809@compound.Think.COM> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Bradley Dunn on Wed, 9 October: : > On the other hand, in practice one would certainly expect 256 /24s to : > be substantially more expensive than one /16. : : Why? If you have a /16 and individual /24s are going for more than a /16, : why would you sell it as a /16 instead of selling the individual /24s? If : anything, I would think a /16 would cost more, because it would be more : desirable than 256 /24s in the case of route filters or route charges. Assuming that is predominance of value in the address space itself, rather than merely in the administrative process: The 256 /24s can be tossed around, exchanged, chopped up, etc., much more easily -- they are more liquid, which enhances their value; also, each having value in itself and marketed individually must contribute to the overhead costs of the selling entity independently, which adds to the selling price of each; finally, the end-consumer demand for small pieces of address space is much much greater than the demand for large pieces. The only way to use the large piece effectively is to resell chunks of it, which is a costly administrative excercise, whereas the smaller chunks require less overhead to put to use, thus increasing their value. : > I'd also very much like to hear more about IPX proxies. : : http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/751/ij/home.html : is one. I was hoping for a FreeBSD view. I note that LINT shows: options IPXIP #IPX in IP encapsulation (not available) options IPTUNNEL #IP in IPX encapsulation (not available) Is anyone using this for anything interesting? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 02:57:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA05640 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 02:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA05633 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 02:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA19269; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:57:18 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199610100957.LAA19269@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Question about networks In-Reply-To: <199610100850.DAA08019@compound.Think.COM> from Tony Kimball at "Oct 10, 96 03:50:46 am" To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:57:18 +0200 (SAT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL24 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > : > I'd also very much like to hear more about IPX proxies. > : > : http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/751/ij/home.html > : is one. > > I was hoping for a FreeBSD view. I note that LINT shows: > options IPXIP #IPX in IP encapsulation (not available) > options IPTUNNEL #IP in IPX encapsulation (not available) > > Is anyone using this for anything interesting? > IPXIP is actually working, with a little bit of carefull configuration. But it use the same "proprietry" method as the old XNS code, so it can only work between FreeBSD boxes. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 03:24:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07767 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07758 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.8.0/8.7.3) id TAA01521; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:53:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:53:37 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199610101023.TAA01521@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: avatar@cpl.net (Shawn Ramsey), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSL Server? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <53hitt$oh4@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : I don't know if this would really apply here.. but are there any, or is it : even legal, to freely use an SSL encrpyting Web server in a commercial : environment for free? The "wn" web-server has some SSL stuff lying around somewhere for it. Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 14:44:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18433 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18383 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id HAA03028; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:43:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:43:06 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Peter Childs cc: Shawn Ramsey , freebsd-isp@FREEBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SSL Server? In-Reply-To: <199610101023.TAA01521@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Peter Childs wrote: > In article <53hitt$oh4@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: > > : I don't know if this would really apply here.. but are there any, or is it > : even legal, to freely use an SSL encrpyting Web server in a commercial > : environment for free? > > The "wn" web-server has some SSL stuff lying around somewhere for it. There is also Zeus : http://www.zeus.co.uk/ Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 19:33:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07860 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07855 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id QAA00388; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:32:31 -1000 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:32:31 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199610110232.QAA00388@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: ISP Unix usage Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Aloha, is there a poll or tally somewhere that gives some indication of the popularity of the various Unix platforms in use by ISPs as servers? I'm most interested in how FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris/SunOS compare. Has anyone attempted to do this? Thanks Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 07:28:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA18446 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18420 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA21001; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:24:05 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610111424.JAA21001@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: ISP Unix usage To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:24:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610110232.QAA00388@pegasus.com> from "Richard Foulk" at Oct 10, 96 04:32:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Aloha, is there a poll or tally somewhere that gives some indication of > the popularity of the various Unix platforms in use by ISPs as servers? > > I'm most interested in how FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris/SunOS compare. > > Has anyone attempted to do this? You failed to mention BSDI. :-) In my experience: The people with money to burn buy Suns and run Solaris or SunOS. The people with less money to burn buy big honkin' PC's and run Solaris x86. The people who do not wish to burn money but want support buy BSDI. (No, I will not comment on the support issue.) The people who are interested in a good solution at a low cost tend to run FreeBSD. The people who are not too bright run Linux and play "Kernel of the Day". That is it from a financial point of view :-) I know that's not a real answer to your question though. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 15:22:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00417 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00407 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id MAA16207; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:21:06 -1000 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:21:06 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199610112221.MAA16207@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Joe Greco "Re: ISP Unix usage" (Oct 11, 9:24am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Joe Greco Subject: Re: ISP Unix usage Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > Aloha, is there a poll or tally somewhere that gives some indication of } > the popularity of the various Unix platforms in use by ISPs as servers? } > } > I'm most interested in how FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris/SunOS compare. } > } > Has anyone attempted to do this? } } You failed to mention BSDI. :-) } } In my experience: } } The people with money to burn buy Suns and run Solaris or SunOS. } } The people with less money to burn buy big honkin' PC's and run Solaris } x86. } } The people who do not wish to burn money but want support buy BSDI. } (No, I will not comment on the support issue.) } } The people who are interested in a good solution at a low cost tend to } run FreeBSD. } } The people who are not too bright run Linux and play "Kernel of the Day". } } } That is it from a financial point of view :-) I know that's not a real } answer to your question though. } I discussed this recently with a web-based system vendor that sells to this market and claims not to take sides. He asserts that Linux and Solaris each command nearly 50% of the new installs and BSD only 1%. He claims that of the installed base Linux holds about 15%, BSD about 3% and Solaris owns the rest. Food for thought ... Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 12 19:48:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26334 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26312; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.7.6/8.7.3) id CAA18416; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 02:47:07 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199610130247.CAA18416@veda.is> Subject: Re: 460.8 kb/s serial ports? To: bextreme@m4.sprynet.com (Jesse) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 02:47:05 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610071512.IAA23505@m4.sprynet.com> from Jesse at "Oct 7, 96 08:11:29 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jesse Brown suggested to me: > I have done a little looking, and their are cards that will support > speeds of 480kb\s or FASTER per port. Some manufacturers are Digi > (http://www.dgii.com) and Cyclades (http://www.cyclades.com) According to what I found there, the fastest from Digi is a dumb board with a bunch of 230.4 kb/s ports (sustained half-duplex rating). Cyclades boasts an intelligent board at 460.8 kb/s full duplex on all 8 ports simultaneously, at around $700 ($400 on special limited dealer/ISP introductory offer). Do we have a driver for this beast yet, or is one in the works somewhere behind the scenes? It's the Cyclades 8Zo card, looks quite impressive. -- Adam David