From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 13 12:04:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01147 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omnisolve.com (omnisolve.com [206.43.0.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01142 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from val@localhost) by omnisolve.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17519 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:09:46 GMT From: Valtaire Message-Id: <199610131309.NAA17519@omnisolve.com> Subject: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:09:44 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I use ijppp for my server, and i'd like to start using PAP authentication. Problem is, I can't seem to figyre out how to set up my ppp.secret file. whenever i try to log in it says: 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] Phase: Authenticate 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] his = 0, mine = c023 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PapInput: REQUEST 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PasswdAuth enabled - calling 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PasswdAuth - user not a PPP user 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PapOutput: NAK in the logs. i'm asumming it's a problem with the ppp.secret file... - Joel From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 13 13:57:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA05566 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05561 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00223; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:57:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:56:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Valtaire cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP In-Reply-To: <199610131309.NAA17519@omnisolve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello. I use ijppp for my server, and i'd like to start using PAP > authentication. Problem is, I can't seem to figyre out how to set > up my ppp.secret file. Each line should look something like this... steve somepasswd 204.244.190.9/32 You'll note that I'm using static IP. I only use iijppp for my own account, regular users get dynamic IP with pppd. If you want a dynamic IP setup with iijppp you should check the man page (IIRC, it's not hard). One thing I have noticed is that the Microsoft dialer (the one that comes with Windows95 and the Win3.1 version of Internet Exploter) won't allow passwords longer than 8 characters. Well, it'll allow them, but they won't work. It took me a while to figure that one out. :-/ ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 13 15:42:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09814 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from databus.databus.com (databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09809 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Barney Wolff To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:40 EDT Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <3261704c0.18ef@databus.databus.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:56:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: Steve Reid > > One thing I have noticed is that the Microsoft dialer (the one that comes > with Windows95 and the Win3.1 version of Internet Exploter) won't allow > passwords longer than 8 characters. Well, it'll allow them, but they won't > work. It took me a while to figure that one out. :-/ This is simply not true, by personal experience with the Win95 dialer. Barney Wolff From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 13 21:31:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA25027 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25022 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00211; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:30:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: Barney Wolff cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP In-Reply-To: <3261704c0.18ef@databus.databus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > One thing I have noticed is that the Microsoft dialer (the one that comes > > with Windows95 and the Win3.1 version of Internet Exploter) won't allow > > passwords longer than 8 characters. Well, it'll allow them, but they won't > > work. It took me a while to figure that one out. :-/ > > This is simply not true, by personal experience with the Win95 dialer. Hmm... When I first tried setting up a win95 machine to access our PPP server, I had a password a bit longer than 8 characters and it didn't work. I tried everything I could think of but it didn't work until I changed the password to something short. Since everyone else seems to have no problem with long passwords, I can only guess that maybe I had trailing whitespace in the /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file. I've been using <8 char passwords ever since, and haven't seem the problem. *shrug* So am I also the only person who can't get the "save password" checkbox to work under Windows 95? The option is there but it isn't lit up and so it can't be selected. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 13 23:42:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02787 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cruz.isle.net (root@cruz.isle.net [204.140.227.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02782 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from john (router1port14.isle.net [204.140.227.237]) by cruz.isle.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA25084; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:35:16 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961014064021.009471e4@isle.net> X-Sender: johns@isle.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:40:21 -0700 To: Steve Reid From: John Scharles Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:30 PM 10/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >So am I also the only person who can't get the "save password" checkbox to >work under Windows 95? The option is there but it isn't lit up and so it >can't be selected. > You must first be logged into '95 (Microsoft's idea of secure???) for it save the password in the dialup dialogs. John Scharles From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 00:44:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA07612 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07553; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA12451; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:13:59 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199610140713.IAA12451@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: ppp over vty possible ? To: question@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:13:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering if there is an easy way to run ppp over a pty/ttyp pair in order to make some tests. For those interested on which tests I want to do: When I use ppp from home (14.4 modem) with telnet (and possibly other apps, I haven't checked), the RTT is suspiciously close to 200 ms (within 10ms; I have a modified kernel which prints the current RTT and bandwidth on every connection). As you can imagine, typing this way is not the most pleasant thing in the world. I suspect that something is triggering delayed acks, but don't know what. The same does not occur with local connections, or even with hosts a few hops apart. The modem should add roughly 40ms each way (perhaps less, since there is PRED1 compression enabled -- and the same happens with VJ_COMP), so I really cannot tell where the delay comes from. Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 04:10:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA21722 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chunga.apana.org.au (chunga.kt.apana.org.au [202.12.89.57]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA21674 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from davo@localhost) by chunga.apana.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA14713; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:37:41 +0930 (CST) From: Dave Edwards Message-Id: <199610141107.UAA14713@chunga.apana.org.au> Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP To: val@omnisolve.com (Valtaire) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:37:40 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610131309.NAA17519@omnisolve.com> from Valtaire at "Oct 13, 96 01:09:44 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 'Valtaire scribbled..' > Hello. I use ijppp for my server, and i'd like to start using PAP > authentication. Problem is, I can't seem to figyre out how to set > up my ppp.secret file. > > whenever i try to log in it says: > > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] Phase: Authenticate > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] his = 0, mine = c023 > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PapInput: REQUEST > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PasswdAuth enabled - calling > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PasswdAuth - user not a PPP user > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PapOutput: NAK > > in the logs. > i'm asumming it's a problem with the ppp.secret file... Hmmm, could be whitespace messing it up, sounds like a configuration problem anyway... However why keep a file around with passwords in it, when you can authenticate using the /etc/passwd file! Get a copy of ppp-plus from ftp://ftp.al.imforei.apana.org.au/pub/freebsd/ppp-plus/ Pete put a lot of work into this and its been stable on our system for 3 or 4 months now. Also fixes some problems in the original code and adds support for OS/2 and out-of-the-box Win95. ciao dave -- Dave Edwards davo@chunga.kt.apana.org.au || davo@sa.apana.org.au Adelaide, South Australia ---- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 06:33:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27376 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.superior.net (root@nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27371; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from exidor@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.7.6/8.7.5) id JAA16872; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610141332.JAA16872@nimbus.superior.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:32:33 -0400 From: exidor@nimbus.superior.net (Christopher Masto) To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Cc: question@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp over vty possible ? In-Reply-To: <199610140713.IAA12451@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Oct 14, 1996 08:13:59 +0100 References: <199610140713.IAA12451@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo writes: > When I use ppp from home (14.4 modem) with telnet (and possibly > other apps, I haven't checked), the RTT is suspiciously close to > 200 ms (within 10ms; I have a modified kernel which prints the > current RTT and bandwidth on every connection). As you can imagine, > typing this way is not the most pleasant thing in the world. That doesn't sound very suprising to me. I typically see 200-300ms ping times over a modem running PPP. There's a lot of turnaround latency in 14.4/28.8 modems. -- / Christopher Masto \ / Superior Net Services \ / Your vote counts \ | exidor@superior.net | | $24.95/month unlimited use | | Support free speech | \ Programmer/Tech / \ http://www.superior.net/ / \ HappyNet for all / From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 08:04:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02341 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.superior.net (root@nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02326; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from exidor@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.7.6/8.7.5) id LAA19690; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610141502.LAA19690@nimbus.superior.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:02:47 -0400 From: exidor@nimbus.superior.net (Christopher Masto) To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Cc: exidor@nimbus.superior.net (Christopher Masto), question@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp over vty possible ? In-Reply-To: <199610141429.PAA13506@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Oct 14, 1996 15:29:34 +0100 References: <199610141332.JAA16872@nimbus.superior.net> <199610141429.PAA13506@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo writes: > > That doesn't sound very suprising to me. I typically see 200-300ms > > ping times over a modem running PPP. There's a lot of turnaround > > latency in 14.4/28.8 modems. > > Can you give more details ? The same problem does not occur when > I use a plain connection (e.g. using the "term" mode of ppp). Now, > for sure it might be something in the modem, e.g. it sees a burst > of bytes coming in and decides it is worth waiting for a sufficiently > large block to attempt compression. But -- apart for this being a > symptom of poor design in the modem -- what is intriguing me is > the delay -- 200ms -- so close to what is a TCP_FASTTIMEOUT. There's a lot more overhead to send one character over a PPP connection compared to a terminal. If you're just in a term mode, you send the character and the remote side echos it back. If you're doing telnet, you've got it wrapped in TCP, IP, PPP, etc. TCP does reliable delivery so it has to be acknowledged, and I think maybe PPP does also? Only then do you get the echo, which has to go through the same process. If you haven't done so, you can turn off your modem's v.42bis compression and see if it helps. -- / Christopher Masto \ / Superior Net Services \ / Your vote counts \ | exidor@superior.net | | $24.95/month unlimited use | | Support free speech | \ Programmer/Tech / \ http://www.superior.net/ / \ HappyNet for all / From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 08:04:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02411 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02022; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA13506; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:29:34 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199610141429.PAA13506@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ppp over vty possible ? To: exidor@nimbus.superior.net (Christopher Masto) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:29:34 +0100 (MET) Cc: question@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610141332.JAA16872@nimbus.superior.net> from "Christopher Masto" at Oct 14, 96 09:32:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > When I use ppp from home (14.4 modem) with telnet (and possibly > > other apps, I haven't checked), the RTT is suspiciously close to > > 200 ms (within 10ms; I have a modified kernel which prints the > > current RTT and bandwidth on every connection). As you can imagine, > > typing this way is not the most pleasant thing in the world. > > That doesn't sound very suprising to me. I typically see 200-300ms > ping times over a modem running PPP. There's a lot of turnaround > latency in 14.4/28.8 modems. Can you give more details ? The same problem does not occur when I use a plain connection (e.g. using the "term" mode of ppp). Now, for sure it might be something in the modem, e.g. it sees a burst of bytes coming in and decides it is worth waiting for a sufficiently large block to attempt compression. But -- apart for this being a symptom of poor design in the modem -- what is intriguing me is the delay -- 200ms -- so close to what is a TCP_FASTTIMEOUT. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 08:31:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA03863 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03856; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA20691; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610141531.IAA20691@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Luigi Rizzo cc: exidor@nimbus.superior.net (Christopher Masto), question@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ppp over vty possible ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:29:34 BST." <199610141429.PAA13506@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:31:19 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >large block to attempt compression. But -- apart for this being a >symptom of poor design in the modem -- what is intriguing me is >the delay -- 200ms -- so close to what is a TCP_FASTTIMEOUT. fastimeout can't be involved with pings since they use ICMP, not TCP. 14.4K modems usually have large delays due to buffering and compression delays. Some are better than others. I used to see 170ms on certain Intel modes, and as low as 110ms on certain 28.8K Hayes modems. Supra's are usually about the worst at near 200ms. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 08:58:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05758 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05702; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA13670; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:30:16 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199610141530.QAA13670@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ppp over vty possible ? To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:30:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: exidor@nimbus.superior.net, question@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610141531.IAA20691@root.com> from "David Greenman" at Oct 14, 96 08:31:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >large block to attempt compression. But -- apart for this being a > >symptom of poor design in the modem -- what is intriguing me is > >the delay -- 200ms -- so close to what is a TCP_FASTTIMEOUT. > > fastimeout can't be involved with pings since they use ICMP, not TCP. 14.4K I was not using ping, I have a modified kernel which prints out the current RTT and bandwidth for every connection (I am doing some experiments on congestion control stuff right now). The same could be seen with tcpdump, I guess, just a bit more annoying to do time differences. BTW the same kernel showed that using "telnet", a large number of telnet options (31 bytes if I remember well) is exchanged at every newline. Not that one should care much (at least, with a symmetrical channel), but it is impressive how many things occur behind (or below) you. > modems usually have large delays due to buffering and compression delays. Some > are better than others. I used to see 170ms on certain Intel modes, and as low > as 110ms on certain 28.8K Hayes modems. Supra's are usually about the worst > at near 200ms. Thanks for these data points. How did you get them, using ping or something else ? Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 09:07:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06722 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06716; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA20950; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610141602.JAA20950@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Luigi Rizzo cc: exidor@nimbus.superior.net, question@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ppp over vty possible ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:30:15 BST." <199610141530.QAA13670@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:02:16 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> modems usually have large delays due to buffering and compression delays. Some >> are better than others. I used to see 170ms on certain Intel modes, and as low >> as 110ms on certain 28.8K Hayes modems. Supra's are usually about the worst >> at near 200ms. > >Thanks for these data points. How did you get them, using ping or >something else ? Usually ping with a variety of test sizes. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 09:45:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09479 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09466; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00802; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610141645.KAA00802@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: question@freebsd.org Cc: Luigi Rizzo , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Modem latencies (was Re: ppp over vty possible ? ) In-Reply-To: <199610141531.IAA20691@root.com> References: <199610141429.PAA13506@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199610141531.IAA20691@root.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman writes: > >large block to attempt compression. But -- apart for this being a > >symptom of poor design in the modem -- what is intriguing me is > >the delay -- 200ms -- so close to what is a TCP_FASTTIMEOUT. > > fastimeout can't be involved with pings since they use ICMP, not > TCP. 14.4K modems usually have large delays due to buffering and > compression delays. Some are better than others. I used to see > 170ms on certain Intel modes, and as low as 110ms on certain > 28.8K Hayes modems. Supra's are usually about the worst at near > 200ms. FWIW, my connection to home is using 2-28.8K USR Sportster's. I'm using SLIP and running both ends at 115K and have compression enabled. PING trout.mt.sri.com (206.127.76.104): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=156.701 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=150.206 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=132.611 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=124.156 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=124.328 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=123.549 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=6 ttl=255 time=120.484 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=7 ttl=255 time=120.429 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=8 ttl=255 time=120.162 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=9 ttl=255 time=120.413 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=10 ttl=255 time=118.633 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=11 ttl=255 time=118.503 ms 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=12 ttl=255 time=118.059 ms I usually average around ~120ms, although I have seen it drop to 115ms at times. If I turned off modem compression I think I could get it down to 110ms. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 09:51:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09882 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09873; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.2]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16831; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: David Greenman cc: Luigi Rizzo , Christopher Masto , question@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp over vty possible ? In-Reply-To: <199610141531.IAA20691@root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, David Greenman wrote: > fastimeout can't be involved with pings since they use ICMP, not TCP. 14.4K > modems usually have large delays due to buffering and compression delays. Some > are better than others. I used to see 170ms on certain Intel modes, and as low > as 110ms on certain 28.8K Hayes modems. Supra's are usually about the worst > at near 200ms. Now I don't feel so bad. I get 140ms pings across a pair of ZOOM 28.8 modems. (Down from 180 with my old ISP). I noticed that compression made no difference on these modems for ping time, though I expected the ping time to go down without compression. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 09:59:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10492 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10486; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA21134; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610141700.KAA21134@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: question@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modem latencies (was Re: ppp over vty possible ? ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:45:20 MDT." <199610141645.KAA00802@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:00:23 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I usually average around ~120ms, although I have seen it drop to 115ms >at times. If I turned off modem compression I think I could get it down >to 110ms. Use smaller ping packets. ping -s 8 -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 10:17:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11865 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11855; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA13959; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:50:23 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199610141650.RAA13959@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Modem latencies (was Re: ppp over vty possible ? ) To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:50:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, question@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610141700.KAA21134@root.com> from "David Greenman" at Oct 14, 96 10:00:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I usually average around ~120ms, although I have seen it drop to 115ms > >at times. If I turned off modem compression I think I could get it down > >to 110ms. > > Use smaller ping packets. ping -s 8 Does it work ? I thought there is a minimum packet size to hold the sequence number and timestamp (perhaps 8 bytes suffice) and then there is also the IP overhead. I am not sure if the size specified in "ping" is the overall packet size, or just the IP payload. Finally, I did some tests myself. It looks like the delay comes from the modem, although I have been unable to reduce it disabling compression. You don't lose much because you can have compression in ppp. Haven't tried disabling error correction, but that is something I am not much willing to give up, actually, since there is no other way to get error correction. Btw, ping -s SIZE with compression enabled is likely to give you always the same value independently of SIZE, since the packet is probably filled with constant data and the compression algorithms probably send little more than the length of the packets. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 10:26:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA12467 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12461 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13743; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:22:03 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961014172506.00a234ac@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:25:06 -0500 To: Steve Reid From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:30 PM 10/13/96 -0700, Steve Reid wrote: >So am I also the only person who can't get the "save password" checkbox to >work under Windows 95? The option is there but it isn't lit up and so it >can't be selected. You need to have the Client for Microsoft Networks installed. See the URL: http://www.creativelement.com/win95ann/intro.html for this and many other helpful tidbits of Win95 advice. The link is sometimes hard to get to, and sometimes very slow, but worth the effort. Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, FreeBSD, DOS: I'm caught in a maze of twisty little command interpreters, all different. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 10:31:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA12752 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12695 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA13998; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:03:35 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199610141703.SAA13998@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Modem latencies (was Re: ppp over vty possible ? ) To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:03:35 +0100 (MET) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610141645.KAA00802@rocky.mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Oct 14, 96 10:45:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > PING trout.mt.sri.com (206.127.76.104): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=156.701 ms > 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=150.206 ms > 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=132.611 ms > 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=124.156 ms ... > 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=7 ttl=255 time=120.429 ms > 64 bytes from 206.127.76.104: icmp_seq=8 ttl=255 time=120.162 ms Once overheads are included, this is approx 80 bytes --> 800 bits --> 27ms if sent as raw bits @28.8, plus 7ms to transfer to the modem @115.2K (assuming the modem is an external device). Even by summing up times the overhead is 156/2 - (27+7) = 44ms each way. This at the first packet; afterwards, compression becomes more effective and it looks like communication times goes down by 19ms each side. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 15:28:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00972 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00947; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA10316; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:27:54 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:27:52 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Luigi Rizzo cc: question@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Modem latencies (was Re: ppp over vty possible ? ) In-Reply-To: <199610141650.RAA13959@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I always was under the impression that the > 100 ms delay in a modem was because of the multiple stages of rs-232 the data must travel. e.g. computer-modem-modem-computer. Even the 16550 buffering into 10 byte blocks would probably have an effect. An empty 64 kbps ISDN link will give a rtt of about 20 ms, so I guess an empty "28.8 kbps ISDN" link would give about 60 ms rtt. Since there are three serial hops in the modem setup, an rtt of 180 ms is probably sort of reasonable. The above is strictly non-technical musing on my part - no basis in fact should be implied. (But factual arguments for and against are welcome) Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 17:33:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09273 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ijs.com (ijs.com [205.149.188.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09266 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jivko@localhost) by ijs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA21690; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:29:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199610150029.RAA21690@ijs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 17:31:31 EST From: Jivko Koltchev To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Frontpage and FreeBSD Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone been successful making FrontPage work with a FreeBSD running machine? (www server - CERN, although that should not be the problem) Thanks Jivko From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 14 20:39:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA21965 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greece.it.earthlink.net (greece-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21960 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emilyd.moviebiz.com ([206.250.85.23]) by greece.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29511; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by emilyd.moviebiz.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBBA0F.C6D5D980@emilyd.moviebiz.com>; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:39:20 -0700 Message-ID: <01BBBA0F.C6D5D980@emilyd.moviebiz.com> From: Riley McIntire To: "'Steve Reid'" Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org" Subject: RE: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:39:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Concerning the disabled password checkbox with the Microsoft dialer: There's a couple things to do, sometimes one works, other times the other. I usually do both at the same time: In the Windows directory, delete all *.pwl files. In the Network section of Control Panel, choose the Primary Windows Logon to be "Client for Microsoft Networks"--If it's already set to that, change it to "Windows Logon". Reboot. The Remember Password option should be available. Enter your password, select the checkbox, and connect. Make sure you get a connection. Afterwards you can change the logon in the Network section to what you like. Note that you'll have to reenter all cached passwords. Hope this helps, Riley ---------- From: Steve Reid[SMTP:steve@edmweb.com] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 1996 2:30 PM To: Barney Wolff Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP > > One thing I have noticed is that the Microsoft dialer (the one that comes > > with Windows95 and the Win3.1 version of Internet Exploter) won't allow > > passwords longer than 8 characters. Well, it'll allow them, but they won't > > work. It took me a while to figure that one out. :-/ > > This is simply not true, by personal experience with the Win95 dialer. Hmm... When I first tried setting up a win95 machine to access our PPP server, I had a password a bit longer than 8 characters and it didn't work. I tried everything I could think of but it didn't work until I changed the password to something short. Since everyone else seems to have no problem with long passwords, I can only guess that maybe I had trailing whitespace in the /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file. I've been using <8 char passwords ever since, and haven't seem the problem. *shrug* So am I also the only person who can't get the "save password" checkbox to work under Windows 95? The option is there but it isn't lit up and so it can't be selected. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 15 08:28:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14670 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa.arisia.net (europa.arisia.net [207.100.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14664 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars ([207.100.94.12]) by europa.arisia.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28951 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961015153135.0088e40c@207.100.94.5> X-Sender: msv@207.100.94.5 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:31:35 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Mark S. Velasquez" Subject: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We're running FreeBSD 2.1.5 and I recently striped 3 disks(Quantum 4.3GB, 7400 rpm) into one logical volume, and have beeen using it without incident. However, when I brought the system down for maintainance, it was unable to boot due to an fsck problem(complains about "out of memory"). The filesystem was built with "-i 1024", which I feel was appropriate for a filesystem to be used as a news server's spool directory, but I'm wondering if this is what's causing the problem. Any help is appreciated. Mark S. Velasquez From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 15 10:02:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20364 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20094 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA26097; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:58:12 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610151658.LAA26097@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** To: msv@arisia.net (Mark S. Velasquez) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:58:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19961015153135.0088e40c@207.100.94.5> from "Mark S. Velasquez" at Oct 15, 96 11:31:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We're running FreeBSD 2.1.5 and I recently striped 3 disks(Quantum 4.3GB, > 7400 rpm) into one logical volume, and have beeen using it without incident. > However, when I brought the system down for maintainance, it was unable to > boot due to an fsck problem(complains about "out of memory"). The filesystem > was built with "-i 1024", which I feel was appropriate for a filesystem to > be used as a news server's spool directory, but I'm wondering if this is > what's causing the problem. > > Any help is appreciated. I assume you have a fair amount of physical RAM if you are running a news server. That is probably not the problem. If you are crashing in the "fsck -p" in /etc/rc, I would probably try: csh -c "unlimit; exec fsck -p" as a way to circumvent the per process memory limit that you may be running into. You can probably stick that right into /etc/rc in place of the current fsck -p. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 15 12:19:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01521 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01515 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id MAA17332; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28584; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610151919.MAA28584@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: msv@arisia.net (Mark S. Velasquez), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 15 Oct 96 11:58:11 -0500. <199610151658.LAA26097@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:19:37 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> We're running FreeBSD 2.1.5 and I recently striped 3 disks(Quantum 4.3GB, >> 7400 rpm) into one logical volume, and have beeen using it without incident. >> However, when I brought the system down for maintainance, it was unable to >> boot due to an fsck problem(complains about "out of memory"). The filesystem >> was built with "-i 1024", which I feel was appropriate for a filesystem to >> be used as a news server's spool directory, but I'm wondering if this is >> what's causing the problem. >I assume you have a fair amount of physical RAM if you are running a news >server. That is probably not the problem. Even more simply... If you're bringing it up in single user mode, don't forget to do "ccdconfig -C" before you do your fsck's by hand. You didn't specify if this is what you were doing, but I forget to do that every now and then. Fsck bombs. I grumble; type ccdconfig -C. Fsck works... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 15 17:11:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20022 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20016 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610160011.RAA20016@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from tpc-pc1 by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:10:35 +1300 X-Sender: CHarding@mail.massey.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:10:34 +1200 To: Dror Matalon , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz (Craig Harding) Subject: Re: How to solve the news server problem X-Mailer: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apologies for a very late response. It's been a busy week and my email inbox is way too big. At 12:20 AM 10/5/96, Dror Matalon wrote: >Now, I know I'm not the only smart person in the world so I looked >around and sure enough I found > ftp://ftp.math.psu.edu/pub/INN/contrib/actgroups.pl Yeah, I use this. It works well, and is good for controlling your usage of disk space (although it doesn't address the problems of net bandwidth associated with news at all). INN logs all the necessary information about which groups are actually being read, actgroups just reads that log information to massage your expire.ctl. -- C. -- Craig Harding Acting Director, Massey University Television Production Centre "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 03:30:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07690 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07669 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.8.0/8.7.3) id TAA06600; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:59:59 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:59:59 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199610161029.TAA06600@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: davo@chunga.kt.apana.org.au (Dave Edwards), val@omnisolve.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ijppp and ppp.secret for PAP X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <53t8oj$fhb@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : 'Valtaire scribbled..' : > Hello. I use ijppp for my server, and i'd like to start using PAP : > authentication. Problem is, I can't seem to figyre out how to set : > up my ppp.secret file. : > : > whenever i try to log in it says: : > : > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] Phase: Authenticate : > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] his = 0, mine = c023 : > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PapInput: REQUEST : > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PasswdAuth enabled - calling : > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PasswdAuth - user not a PPP user : > 10-13 12:18:22 [17332] PapOutput: NAK [cut] : Hmmm, could be whitespace messing it up, sounds like a : configuration problem anyway... : However why keep a file around with passwords in it, when you : can authenticate using the /etc/passwd file! This is a 2.2-current system. You can see that either you supped and built at just the wrong moment in time, or you have enable passwdauth in your ppp.conf (your vars.c should be version 1.9) if you _don't_ want to authenticate users from the /etc/password file then use disable passwdauth (this is the default in the latest 2.2-current ppp, ie vars.c 1.9) If you _do_ want to use password authentication then you should edit passwdauth.c Notice the section where only users with a username starting with "P" are considered vaild ppp users? Better kill that bit of code, or put in your own check... #ifdef LOCALHACK /* * All our PPP usernames start with 'P' so i check that here... if you * don't do this i suggest all your PPP users be members of a group * and you check the guid */ if( name[0] != 'P' ) { LogPrintf( LOG_LCP, "PasswdAuth - user (%s) not a PPP user\n", name ); endpwent(); return 0; } #endif /* LOCALHACK */ I'll think on this and probably submit some diff's commenting this out since it will no doubt cause more grief than good. Its worth reading the bits on #define LOCALHACK in passwdauth.c and deciding if you want to keep it on or turn it off depending on what you are trying to do. I'm open on suggestions for tidying up this a little. Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 09:29:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12592 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iectech.com (netgate.iectech.com [198.136.226.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12586 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by netgate.iectech.com id <6151>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:24:11 -0400 From: Chris Peltier To: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: pppd reliability Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:14:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Encoding: 28 TEXT Message-Id: <96Oct16.082411edt.6151@netgate.iectech.com> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody have any experience using pppd to run dedicated 115K ppp links (ISDN application) on 2.1.0 release. My main concern is reliability and CPU loading experiences. I am considering 16550 UART based boards and the Cyclades products. The router platform is Pentium 100-133Mhz. It may coexist with T1 frame links. I have solid T1 frame reliability without system crashes. Would I jepordize this situation by adding serial based ppp links? I am thinking about using the Motorola Bitsurfer Pro with multilink PPP in a host mode (if possible) to combine the two B channels into a 115Kbit single, spoofed ppp stream. Anybody else trying this? I know that the USR I modems don't support Multilink PPP in host mode (at least not yet). Any other good ISDN adapters with Multilink PPP spoofing and host mode support? Thanks Sincerely, Chris Peltier * email: CPELTIER@IECTECH.COM * voice: 215-257-4917 * FAX: 215-257-4916 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 09:49:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA14469 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14463 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11620; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610161649.KAA11620@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Chris Peltier Cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: pppd reliability In-Reply-To: <96Oct16.082411edt.6151@netgate.iectech.com> References: <96Oct16.082411edt.6151@netgate.iectech.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody have any experience using pppd to run > dedicated 115K ppp links (ISDN application) on > 2.1.0 release. Yes, but I wasn't using IDSN. > My main concern is reliability and > CPU loading experiences. I am considering 16550 > UART based boards and the Cyclades products. I've got a 486/66 box that was previously running 3 lines at 115K full-blast w/out a hiccup. It's down to two b/c we upgraded our link to a 56K frame relay line. > The router platform is Pentium 100-133Mhz. It may > coexist with T1 frame links. I have solid T1 frame reliability > without system crashes. Would I jepordize this situation > by adding serial based ppp links? Not in my opinion. Make sure you get 'real' 16550s, and not some of the clone versions that don't work well. I got some ISA cards at Fry's that were a bit spendy for serial cards, but they have worked very well in my server box. [ I know nothing about ISDN since we don't have it in Montana. :( ] Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 10:06:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16170 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16153 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA28010; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:06:07 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610161706.MAA28010@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: pppd reliability To: CPELTIER@iectech.com (Chris Peltier) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <96Oct16.082411edt.6151@netgate.iectech.com> from "Chris Peltier" at Oct 16, 96 12:14:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody have any experience using pppd to run > dedicated 115K ppp links (ISDN application) on > 2.1.0 release. My main concern is reliability and > CPU loading experiences. I am considering 16550 > UART based boards and the Cyclades products. > The router platform is Pentium 100-133Mhz. It may > coexist with T1 frame links. I have solid T1 frame reliability > without system crashes. Would I jepordize this situation > by adding serial based ppp links? I am thinking about > using the Motorola Bitsurfer Pro with multilink PPP in > a host mode (if possible) to combine the two B channels > into a 115Kbit single, spoofed ppp stream. Anybody else > trying this? I know that the USR I modems don't support > Multilink PPP in host mode (at least not yet). Any other > good ISDN adapters with Multilink PPP spoofing and host > mode support? A P100-133 is probably a little beefy for the job, and I would suggest you consider breaking this up into two tasks: routing of T1 data on one machine and routing of your serial links on another (or even more than just one). The 16550 route will get saturated after not-too-many-ports. I haven't run Cyclades boards at those sorts of speeds, so I can't comment on that. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 10:59:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20909 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20901 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id KAA14070; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04786; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610161754.KAA04786@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: Chris Peltier , "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: pppd reliability In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 16 Oct 96 10:49:38 -0600. <199610161649.KAA11620@rocky.mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:53:33 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [...] >Not in my opinion. Make sure you get 'real' 16550s, and not some of the >clone versions that don't work well. I got some ISA cards at Fry's that >were a bit spendy for serial cards, but they have worked very well in my >server box. FWIW, the Startech chips work very well. Boca uses a lot of these. However, if you get a Boca card, make sure it's a version with full serial ports (all the modem control lines), and not one of the few they produced for terminal use only (limited control lines). >[ I know nothing about ISDN since we don't have it in Montana. :( ] Well, we have it in Seattle, but I can't afford the extortionist rates U. S. West wants for it. Now ADSL looks really cool... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 11:45:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24768 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gbdata.com (Main.GBData.COM [207.90.222.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24762 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA26363; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:42:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199610161842.NAA26363@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: pppd reliability To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, CPELTIER@iectech.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610161754.KAA04786@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Oct 16, 96 10:53:33 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: --SNIP-- > > FWIW, the Startech chips work very well. Boca uses a lot of these. > However, if you get a Boca card, make sure it's a version with full > serial ports (all the modem control lines), and not one of the few > they produced for terminal use only (limited control lines). As a note, the 6 and 16 port systems are the good ones, the 8 port is terminal only.... --SNIP-- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups mail info@GBData.COM for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 12:42:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29604 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noc.msc.edu (noc.msc.edu [137.66.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29599 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA28484; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:42:30 -0500 Received: from fergus-27.dialup.prtel.com by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA12699; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:42:28 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04433; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:42:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:42:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199610161942.OAA04433@compound.Think.COM> To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: CPELTIER@iectech.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd reliability References: <96Oct16.082411edt.6151@netgate.iectech.com> <199610161649.KAA11620@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Nate Williams on Wed, 16 October: : I've got a 486/66 box that was previously running 3 lines at 115K : full-blast w/out a hiccup. It's down to two b/c we upgraded our link to : a 56K frame relay line. You "upgraded" from 115k >-to-> 56k? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 12:43:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29665 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29659 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13166; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610161943.NAA13166@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Tony Kimball Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, CPELTIER@iectech.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd reliability In-Reply-To: <199610161942.OAA04433@compound.Think.COM> References: <96Oct16.082411edt.6151@netgate.iectech.com> <199610161649.KAA11620@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199610161942.OAA04433@compound.Think.COM> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball writes: > Quoth Nate Williams on Wed, 16 October: > > : I've got a 486/66 box that was previously running 3 lines at 115K > : full-blast w/out a hiccup. It's down to two b/c we upgraded our link to > : a 56K frame relay line. > > You "upgraded" from 115k >-to-> 56k? A 28.8K modem running at 115K async. RS-232 vs. a 56K sync. Frame relay is a big step up. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 15:37:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11811 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11802 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA02673; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:35:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:35:23 -0700 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199610162235.PAA02673@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: CPELTIER@iectech.com, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com Subject: Re: pppd reliability Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody have any experience using pppd to run > dedicated 115K ppp links (ISDN application) on > 2.1.0 release. My main concern is reliability and > CPU loading experiences. I am considering 16550 > UART based boards and the Cyclades products. > The router platform is Pentium 100-133Mhz. It may > coexist with T1 frame links. I have solid T1 frame reliability > without system crashes. Would I jepordize this situation > by adding serial based ppp links? I am thinking about > using the Motorola Bitsurfer Pro with multilink PPP in > a host mode (if possible) to combine the two B channels > into a 115Kbit single, spoofed ppp stream. Anybody else > trying this? I know that the USR I modems don't support > Multilink PPP in host mode (at least not yet). Any other > good ISDN adapters with Multilink PPP spoofing and host > mode support? I'd think twice about this, personally, and look hard at using Ascend routers (or something similar) for ISDN. I'm not convinced the BitSurfr Pro, for one, is up to snuff for server-side use. Ours periodically took itself out of service, and had to be power-cycled. Also consider that at 115.2 Kbps async, you're doing 11520 BYTES/second, since an async byte is 10 bits, counting the start and stop bits. That means you're doing 92080 bps synchronous, so when you're multilinking, you're really getting only about 1.5 B-channels. And serial ports just tend to be higher maintenance than a router on your Ethernet, in lots of little ways (I've had several just "lose" the carrier-state-change interrupt, for example.) Granted, hanging 4 BSPros off a multiport card in a box running FreeBSD is cheaper than buying a 4-BRI router. Based on my experience, I predict you'll quickly recoup that cost in time saved tinkering with the setup, and dealing with a steady trickle of annoying little failures. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. (P.S.: What the world really needs is a cheap, ISA-bus BRI card with well-documented programming information, and an interface more like an Ethernet card than a serial card. A PCI-based 4-BRI card would be nice, too :-).) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 16:08:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13654 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13643 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id JAA14547; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:07:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:07:40 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Chris Peltier cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: pppd reliability In-Reply-To: <96Oct16.082411edt.6151@netgate.iectech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Chris Peltier wrote: > Does anybody have any experience using pppd to run > dedicated 115K ppp links (ISDN application) on > 2.1.0 release. My main concern is reliability and > CPU loading experiences. I am considering 16550 > UART based boards and the Cyclades products. I use pppd (kernel-based ppp) with AST clones (16550s) and cyclades. Both work well, but I feel that the cyclades are a little better. A heavily loaded 486-33 with 20 busy links at 57600 on cy0, cy1 (ISA) consumes about 25% of CPU in servicing interrupts. Rule of thumb ratios indicates the same load would occupy about 3% of CPU on a P133. There is a now a driver for PCI-cy, but that is in -current, and not in 2.1.5R, I believe. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 19:13:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23432 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (COMSYS.COM [192.94.236.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23424 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 95server (ptp13.sopris.net [206.168.232.44]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04969 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:21:57 GMT Message-ID: <32658835.63EC@comsys.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:13:25 -0500 From: Alex Huppenthal Reply-To: alex@comsys.com Organization: AIX/AIR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DS3 Interface for PC ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are building an IDSL ISP solution. It looks are though we can get a number of our iDSL concentrators in one rack mount, but now with 400 copper circuits terminated, we need a DS3 Internet connection. I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? -Alex co-founder, Aspen Internet Research From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 19:17:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23672 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail001.mediacity.com (mail001.mediacity.com [206.24.105.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23655 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: brian@mediacity.com Received: (qmail-queue invoked from smtpd); 17 Oct 1996 02:17:39 -0000 Received: from home001.mediacity.com (HELO mediacity.com) (206.24.105.66) by mail001.mediacity.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 1996 02:17:39 -0000 Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 100); 17 Oct 1996 02:17:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19961017021758.1671.qmail@mediacity.com> Subject: Re: User name length limit increase To: Jos.Vissers@telebyte.nl (Jos Vissers) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: michael@memra.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199610080912.LAA32726@monet.telebyte.nl> from Jos Vissers at "Oct 8, 96 11:12:10 am" Reply-To: brian@mediacity.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Michael Dillon wrote: > > How about having the traditional 8 char limit on usernames but modify > > adduser to automatically prompt for an email alias when adding new users. > > Have the email alias automatically added to a userdb and have sendmail > > already configured to do lookups in this userdb. > Jos Vissers wrote: > We already have sendmail looking in a userdb for mail aliases and shadow > domains but some users just can't be made to understand that their > username is not the same as their email address. > Besides, we are migrating from Linux to FreeBSD and because Linux does > allow long usernames we already have exisiting "long users". > > But increasing UT_NAMESIZE followed by a make world does appear to > have worked. Now all I have to do is patch up who and w and the likes > to make the output a bit more convenient. > L_cuserid in stdio.h looks sort of suspicious too. -- Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD http[s]://www.mpress.com speakfree.mpress.com [use -t (GSM)] How to program in c++: // From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 20:18:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA28318 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28303 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id WAA29281; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:17:18 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610170317.WAA29281@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? To: alex@comsys.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:17:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <32658835.63EC@comsys.com> from "Alex Huppenthal" at Oct 16, 96 08:13:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We are building an IDSL ISP solution. It looks are though we > can get a number of our iDSL concentrators in one rack mount, > but now with 400 copper circuits terminated, we need a DS3 > Internet connection. > > I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the > name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? There was a fellow out east looking into this, the name "Nathan" at Netrail rings a bell. Let me know if that is not enough of a lead. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 21:25:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA01982 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01975 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id VAA29885; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06607; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610170424.VAA06607@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: Tony Kimball , CPELTIER@iectech.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd reliability In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 16 Oct 96 13:43:44 -0600. <199610161943.NAA13166@rocky.mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:24:39 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Quoth Nate Williams on Wed, 16 October: >> : I've got a 486/66 box that was previously running 3 lines at 115K >> : full-blast w/out a hiccup. It's down to two b/c we upgraded our link to >> : a 56K frame relay line. >Tony Kimball writes: >> You "upgraded" from 115k >-to-> 56k? You forget that 115K is "burst" compressed traffic, where the 56K is native line speed before compression. >A 28.8K modem running at 115K async. RS-232 vs. a 56K sync. Frame relay >is a big step up. :) Not to mention that I have yet to see a situation where a 28.8K modem does consistently more than about 56K async with real world data. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 16 23:57:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10199 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10193 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA02488; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:04:57 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:04:57 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199610171504.PAA02488@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: dev@trifecta.com Subject: Where can I get sys.tar.gz to upgrade my 2.1.0 with 2.1.5? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I found that you had got the sys.tar.gz to upgrade your system from the maillist, can you tell me the exact directory. It is not in ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current. Where is it? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 00:20:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11510 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (jdd@avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11492 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jdd@localhost) by avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA19731; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:30:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:30:16 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Dixon X-Sender: jdd@avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net To: Alex Huppenthal cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? In-Reply-To: <32658835.63EC@comsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Alex Huppenthal wrote: > We are building an IDSL ISP solution. It looks are though we > can get a number of our iDSL concentrators in one rack mount, > but now with 400 copper circuits terminated, we need a DS3 > Internet connection. > > I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the > name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? Try SDL at http://www.sdlcomm.com. They have a PCI card which is now considerably overdue. -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 http://www.uk.vbc.net VBCnet West +1 408 971 2682 fax +1 408 971 2684 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 06:11:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28961 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (dunn@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28955 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dunn@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA14660; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? In-Reply-To: <199610170317.WAA29281@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the > > name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? > > There was a fellow out east looking into this, the name "Nathan" at > Netrail rings a bell. Let me know if that is not enough of a lead. Didn't he give up on that? Something about not being able to switch packets faster than 10Mbps? Anyway, there is one at: http://www.sdlcomm.com/PRODUCTS/cc3i.htm Anyone know if there are FreeBSD drivers yet? :-) -BD From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 07:10:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02427 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumter.awod.com (awod.com [198.81.225.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02418 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsunami..awod.com (chs0095.awod.com [198.81.225.94]) by sumter.awod.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA01763; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0b26.32.19961017101045.00b8a288@awod.com> X-Sender: klam@awod.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b26 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:10:47 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org From: Ken Lam Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:17 PM 10/16/96 -0500, Joe Greco wrote: >> We are building an IDSL ISP solution. It looks are though we >> can get a number of our iDSL concentrators in one rack mount, >> but now with 400 copper circuits terminated, we need a DS3 >> Internet connection. >> >> I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the >> name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? > >There was a fellow out east looking into this, the name "Nathan" at >Netrail rings a bell. Let me know if that is not enough of a lead. Yup. but I think nathan has given up on that since he is planning on ordering a few Netstar Gigarouters. SDL makes the DS3 PCI interface, though I don't know of any existing drivers for _any_ unix. (http://www.sdlcomm.com) Who knows, if they get a BSD driver, maybe all the FreeBSD ISPs can form their own DS3 redundant backbone, peering only in the MAEs. :) -k --- Ken Lam lam@awod.com Integrated Technical Systems Systems, Networks, and Internet Solutions -- Defining Technology Today "'Plug and Play' was only applicable to the original ATARI(tm)" From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 08:10:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05683 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05328 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jdd@localhost) by avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20556; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:12:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:12:33 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Dixon X-Sender: jdd@avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net To: Bradley Dunn cc: Joe Greco , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Bradley Dunn wrote: > > > I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the > > > name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? > ... > Didn't he give up on that? Something about not being able to switch > packets faster than 10Mbps? > > Anyway, there is one at: > http://www.sdlcomm.com/PRODUCTS/cc3i.htm > Anyone know if there are FreeBSD drivers yet? :-) This appears to be vaporware. After promising delivery in August, they are now talking about actually having working cards in mid-November. SDL will then (?) begin developing NT and Linux drivers. BSDI will apparently begin work on a BSD/OS driver in November or later. SDL sales now expresses reluctance to sell the card to ISPs, saying that it is really intended for the OEM market. There is a suggestion that the product might really be ready in January, which suggests to me 2Q97 ... Very discouraging. We are looking for another vendor. They have not said a word about a FreeBSD driver. -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 http://www.uk.vbc.net VBCnet West +1 408 971 2682 fax +1 408 971 2684 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 08:27:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06918 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06908 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA00494; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:26:36 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610171526.KAA00494@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? To: dunn@harborcom.net (Bradley Dunn) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:26:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Bradley Dunn" at Oct 17, 96 09:09:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > > I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the > > > name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? > > > > There was a fellow out east looking into this, the name "Nathan" at > > Netrail rings a bell. Let me know if that is not enough of a lead. > > Didn't he give up on that? Something about not being able to switch > packets faster than 10Mbps? I do not recall that, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 08:42:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07767 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07762 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15455; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:42:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:42:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199610171542.LAA15455@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alex@comsys.com From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >We are building an IDSL ISP solution. It looks are though we >can get a number of our iDSL concentrators in one rack mount, >but now with 400 copper circuits terminated, we need a DS3 >Internet connection. > >I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the >name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? Digital Link makes a fractional DS3 unit with a V.35 interface that you could use with our card up to about 12.5Mbs....Freebsd probably cant switch more than 20Mbs (sustained) at present (about 10,000pps)... > > -Alex > > co-founder, Aspen Internet Research > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 09:51:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA11634 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cioeserv.cioe.com (news.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11624 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by cioeserv.cioe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA10019 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:52:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:52:19 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199610171652.LAA10019@cioeserv.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: multi homed FTP? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk While back I thought I saw a pointer to a patch for wuftpd that would allow it to multi-home in a manner similar to the way httpd does... anyone know where that is? Or anyone got a better solution? -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 10:12:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13133 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13128 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA20252 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:26:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11226 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:08:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DS3 Interface for PC ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Bradley Dunn wrote: > On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > > I've seen a DS3 termination into an AT, but didn't get the > > > name of the card manufacturer. Anyone know of such a card? > > > > There was a fellow out east looking into this, the name "Nathan" at > > Netrail rings a bell. Let me know if that is not enough of a lead. > > Didn't he give up on that? Something about not being able to switch > packets faster than 10Mbps? Why not email nathan@netrail.net and ask him. > Anyway, there is one at: > http://www.sdlcomm.com/PRODUCTS/cc3i.htm > Anyone know if there are FreeBSD drivers yet? :-) If you nose around at http://www.etinc.com you will find this in the specs for their board: Data Rates: Internal: to 5Mbs External: to 7Mbs (ET/5025-16) to 16Mbs (ET/5025-25) Is it possibly that what you saw was a frac-DS3? Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 11:05:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17478 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17472 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA00863; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:04:31 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610171804.NAA00863@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: multi homed FTP? To: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com (Steve Ames) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610171652.LAA10019@cioeserv.cioe.com> from "Steve Ames" at Oct 17, 96 11:52:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > While back I thought I saw a pointer to a patch for wuftpd that would > allow it to multi-home in a manner similar to the way httpd does... > > anyone know where that is? Or anyone got a better solution? See http://www.westnet.com/providers/ (you will have to read a bit but that is a good thing on this page). ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 11:45:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20685 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tahoma.cwu.edu (skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu [198.104.65.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20676 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tahoma.cwu.edu; id AA31067; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:44:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Timmons To: "Mark S. Velasquez" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** In-Reply-To: <199610151658.LAA26097@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had this problem recently and changed the passno in fstab such that each ccd device would be checked seperately. Problem solved! Did the unlimit-before-exec solution work too? I've been meaning to have a look at the code to see what really is happening but with the passno workaround I've moved on to other fires at the moment... -Chris On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > We're running FreeBSD 2.1.5 and I recently striped 3 disks(Quantum 4.3GB, > > 7400 rpm) into one logical volume, and have beeen using it without incident. > > However, when I brought the system down for maintainance, it was unable to > > boot due to an fsck problem(complains about "out of memory"). The filesystem > > was built with "-i 1024", which I feel was appropriate for a filesystem to > > be used as a news server's spool directory, but I'm wondering if this is > > what's causing the problem. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > I assume you have a fair amount of physical RAM if you are running a news > server. That is probably not the problem. > > If you are crashing in the "fsck -p" in /etc/rc, I would probably try: > > csh -c "unlimit; exec fsck -p" > > as a way to circumvent the per process memory limit that you may be > running into. You can probably stick that right into /etc/rc in place > of the current fsck -p. > > ... JG > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 12:52:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA25185 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25136 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id OAA01284; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:50:40 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610171950.OAA01284@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** To: skynyrd@tahoma.cwu.edu (Chris Timmons) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:50:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: msv@arisia.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Chris Timmons" at Oct 17, 96 11:44:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I had this problem recently and changed the passno in fstab such that each > ccd device would be checked seperately. Problem solved! Did the > unlimit-before-exec solution work too? > > I've been meaning to have a look at the code to see what really is > happening but with the passno workaround I've moved on to other fires at > the moment... > > -Chris Actually I suppose you could run out of RAM if you had a bunch of very large file systems :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 17 13:27:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27222 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synwork.com (root@synwork.com [199.3.234.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27204 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (flaq@localhost) by synwork.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04847; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:26:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:26:38 -0500 (CDT) From: SysAdmin To: Steve Ames cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: multi homed FTP? In-Reply-To: <199610171652.LAA10019@cioeserv.cioe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-697803959-845583998=:4811" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-697803959-845583998=:4811 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Steve Ames wrote: --> -->While back I thought I saw a pointer to a patch for wuftpd that would -->allow it to multi-home in a manner similar to the way httpd does... --> -->anyone know where that is? 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multi homed FTP? Newsgroups: localhost.freebsd.isp References: <> <199610171804.NAA00863@brasil.moneng.mei.com> From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, steve@cioeserv.cioe.com (Steve Ames) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In localhost.freebsd.isp you write: >> While back I thought I saw a pointer to a patch for wuftpd that would >> allow it to multi-home in a manner similar to the way httpd does... >> >> anyone know where that is? Or anyone got a better solution? >See >http://www.westnet.com/providers/ >(you will have to read a bit but that is a good thing on this page). I don't know if the westnet page mentions this, but the latest wuftpd beta supports this out of the box. Beta software, but I expect the patches may go away sooner or later with this coming soon. >... JG -- bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 18 02:07:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA08523 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08329 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA19211; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:56:33 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199610180956.LAA19211@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:56:33 +0200 (EET) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, msv@arisia.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610151919.MAA28584@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Oct 15, 96 12:19:37 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Even more simply... If you're bringing it up in single user mode, > don't forget to do "ccdconfig -C" before you do your fsck's by hand. > > You didn't specify if this is what you were doing, but I forget to do > that every now and then. Fsck bombs. I grumble; type ccdconfig -C. > Fsck works... hmm? but but... i did put the said ccdconfig -Cv (i think i had v too) just above the fsck -p in the /etc/rc and it doesnt cause me any? problems anymore... is that not the right way? mickey -- mika ruohotie mika@aeon.net net/sys admin From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 18 06:07:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA20772 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20767 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA02676; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:04:02 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610181304.IAA02676@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** To: bsdisp@shadows.aeon.net (mika ruohotie) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:04:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, msv@arisia.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610180956.LAA19211@shadows.aeon.net> from "mika ruohotie" at Oct 18, 96 11:56:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Even more simply... If you're bringing it up in single user mode, > > don't forget to do "ccdconfig -C" before you do your fsck's by hand. > > > > You didn't specify if this is what you were doing, but I forget to do > > that every now and then. Fsck bombs. I grumble; type ccdconfig -C. > > Fsck works... > > hmm? > > but but... i did put the said ccdconfig -Cv (i think i had v too) just > above the fsck -p in the /etc/rc and it doesnt cause me any? problems > anymore... > > is that not the right way? This should only be a problem in single user mode. Your /etc/rc should already have HOME=/; export HOME PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin export PATH # Configure ccd devices. if [ -f /etc/ccd.conf ] then ccdconfig -C fi swapon -a if [ $1x = autobootx ] in it. (2.1.5R and later ship with this). ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 18 07:58:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA28289 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28282 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA02894; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:57:16 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610181457.JAA02894@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: multi homed FTP? To: bkogawa@primenet.com (Bryan K. Ogawa) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:57:15 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, steve@cioeserv.cioe.com In-Reply-To: <199610180417.VAA12183@foo.primenet.com> from "Bryan K. Ogawa" at Oct 17, 96 09:17:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In localhost.freebsd.isp you write: > > >> While back I thought I saw a pointer to a patch for wuftpd that would > >> allow it to multi-home in a manner similar to the way httpd does... > >> > >> anyone know where that is? Or anyone got a better solution? > > >See > > >http://www.westnet.com/providers/ > > >(you will have to read a bit but that is a good thing on this page). > > I don't know if the westnet page mentions this, but the latest wuftpd > beta supports this out of the box. Beta software, but I expect the > patches may go away sooner or later with this coming soon. > > >... JG Cool. I wonder if they also accepted my five line modification that makes each virtual ftp server report its own host name :-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 18 11:32:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14430 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14342 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id LAA12616; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18798; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610181831.LAA18798@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: mika ruohotie cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, msv@arisia.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: **ccd, disk striping, and fsck problems** In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 18 Oct 96 11:56:33 +0200. <199610180956.LAA19211@shadows.aeon.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:31:45 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Even more simply... If you're bringing it up in single user mode, >> don't forget to do "ccdconfig -C" before you do your fsck's by hand. >> >> You didn't specify if this is what you were doing, but I forget to do >> that every now and then. Fsck bombs. I grumble; type ccdconfig -C. >> Fsck works... >but but... i did put the said ccdconfig -Cv (i think i had v too) just >above the fsck -p in the /etc/rc and it doesnt cause me any? problems >anymore... >is that not the right way? That is the right way of you're "auto-booting". But, if you boot up in single-user mode, you have to do the ccdconfig by hand before you do the fsck's. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. 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NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 18 11:35:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14686 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwbone.bsi.com.br (cwbone.bsi.com.br [200.250.250.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14661; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jalves@localhost) by cwbone.bsi.com.br (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA05614; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:37:52 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:37:52 +0000 () From: Joao Alves Junior To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Reboots with kernel ppp and COMMULTIPORTS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I work at an ISP in Brazil. I have some machines accepting calls, but they are rebooting between four and six times per month. This is the configurations of my machines COMPAQ DX2 66 20 MB RAM 400 MB HD CYCLOM 16YE 16 spoortster 33.600 modens kernel pppd /etc/options/ppp modem ctrscts mtu 296 IBM DX2-66 16 MB RAM Naxos Musa kernel pppd 16 sporsteer 33.600 modens The error messages that I got are: Page fault while in kernel mode and freeing: free blocks I looked at SMM and saw that this messages could be from hardware errors. But I think that, the multiports and the PC are from different marks and they work well sometimes for ten or twelve or fifteen days. The kernel has 16 ppp devices, GATEWAY and COM_MULTIPORT options maxusers 100 the /etc/ttys is ttyc0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.38400" unknown on secure for the CYCLOM terminals ttyd4 "/usr/libexec/getty std.38400" unknown on secure for Musa terminals I tried to change "unknown" to dialup, but nothing changed. Could anyone help me, please???? Thanks in advance and sorry for my English Joao Alves Junior BSI Informatica From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 18 12:39:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18318 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18297; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id OAA03781; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:36:42 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610181936.OAA03781@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Reboots with kernel ppp and COMMULTIPORTS To: jalves@bsi.com.br (Joao Alves Junior) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:36:42 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Joao Alves Junior" at Oct 18, 96 04:37:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello all, I work at an ISP in Brazil. I have some machines accepting > calls, but they are rebooting between four and six times per month. > This is the configurations of my machines > > COMPAQ DX2 66 20 MB RAM 400 MB HD > CYCLOM 16YE > 16 spoortster 33.600 modens > > kernel pppd > /etc/options/ppp > modem > ctrscts > mtu 296 > > > > > IBM DX2-66 16 MB RAM > Naxos Musa > kernel pppd > 16 sporsteer 33.600 modens > > The error messages that I got are: > > Page fault while in kernel mode and > > freeing: free blocks Which version of FreeBSD are you running? > I looked at SMM and saw that this messages could be from hardware errors. > > But I think that, the multiports and the PC are from different marks and > they work well sometimes for ten or twelve or fifteen days. > The kernel has 16 ppp devices, GATEWAY and COM_MULTIPORT options > maxusers 100 HELLO, why such a high number for maxusers?? This is probably a Bad Idea. Try maxusers 16 or maxusers 32. If these boxes are JUST doing ppp, the original maxusers 10 is actually probably just fine. Setting maxusers too high will lead to high kernel memory utilization - you are wasting memory. This could potentially cause a panic, but I have no idea if it would be the panic that you are seeing. > the /etc/ttys is > > ttyc0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.38400" unknown on secure > for the CYCLOM terminals > > ttyd4 "/usr/libexec/getty std.38400" unknown on secure > for Musa terminals > > I tried to change "unknown" to dialup, but nothing changed. Makes no difference. That is the initial setting of the TERM environment variable. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 19 06:58:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA21882 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA21876 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA07470 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 09:00:24 GMT Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa19147; 19 Oct 96 10:05 EDT Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: SMTP gateways Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone currently supplying their users with SMTP gatewaying? I have several questions on methods of implementation. Any and all input is appreciated!