From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 1 22:29:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05066 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunasci.informador.com.mx (sunasci.infored.com.mx [200.13.66.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05052 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from felipe@localhost) by sunasci.informador.com.mx (8.8.3/8.8.3) id AAA00843; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:23:53 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:23:53 +0000 () From: Felipe Rivera Marquez To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Xylex SCSI card? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there. I have a Xylex SCSI card.. yep.. Xylex... I just have the card. No documentation, nothing but the card. Does anyone of you know if this thing is compatible with any of the ones that supports FreeBSD? I've been searching the net, but nothing Thanx people From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 1 22:30:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05201 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@router.gateway.net.hk [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05192 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.8.3/8.7.3) id OAA14492; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:17:59 +0800 (HKT) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:17:58 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: FreeBSD ISP Group Subject: IP number ownership Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know this is off topic but I also know there may be more collective knowledge here than anywhere else. Is an existing IP number assignment (class b or /16) to an ISP 'property' in that it cannot be taken away even after a change in control of the ISP? I have been through all the internic.net materials and still do not have an answer. Thanks for your indulgence. This space unintentionally left unblank jbeukema From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 02:21:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA14519 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA14514 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA01841; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id CAA12280; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:21:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:21:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612021021.CAA12280@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: john@gateway.net.hk (John Beukema) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP number ownership References: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is an existing IP number assignment (class b or /16) to an ISP 'property' in that it cannot be taken away even after a change in control of the ISP? I have been through all the internic.net materials and still do not have an answer. John, An IP address assignment is not 'property': you do not have full property rights, for example. The NIC and its delegates are supposed to periodically scan the address space to insure that any assignment that you've been granted is in fact in use. If not, it can request that you relinquish your prefix. Alternately, if you do not respond at all, the NIC may conclude that you've died a silent death and may reassign your prefix. However, a prefix IS a resource. It can be traded, sold, bought or exchanged. Routing the prefix is the hard part, and the value of a particular prefix in part depends on its routability. A /16 is universally routable -- a /32 is not. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 13:36:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15609 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis.idirect.com (root@nemesis.idirect.com [207.136.80.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15604 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from hometown.idirect.com (carrera@hometown.idirect.com [207.136.66.27]) by nemesis.idirect.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA29646 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:35:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (carrera@localhost) by hometown.idirect.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19496 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:17:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hometown.idirect.com: carrera owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Lixfeld To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: PEX and XIE and fvwm Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just installed FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE and X11R6 on a work computer. I had it installed on my home system (2.1.5-RELEASE) with no problems, the only real hardware difference between the computer at work and the computer at home is the fact that the one at work has an ATI mach 32 PCI, and my computer at home has an ATI Mach 64 PCI 2MB DRAM. I am noticing difficulty loading fvwm 2.0 (as per off of www.freebsd.org ports collection). It looks for a 'PEX extension module' and an 'XIE extension module' it says rthat they are borth not loaded. This seems to be stoppiong the Xserver from starting. Any idea why? It works fine with twm, but it will not work with fvwm. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Jason A. Lixfeld -=- IDBS Administration System Administrator Client Services Representative Systems Liason -=- Internet Direct o/a ComputerLink Online Inc. 5415 Dundas Street West Suite 301 Etobicoke, ON M9B 1B5 CANADA [416] 233.7150 {V} [416] 233.6970 {F} -=- carrera@idirect.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 15:31:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21032 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis.idirect.com (root@nemesis.idirect.com [207.136.80.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21024 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hometown.idirect.com (carrera@hometown.idirect.com [207.136.66.27]) by nemesis.idirect.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA05215 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 18:31:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (carrera@localhost) by hometown.idirect.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23184 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 18:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hometown.idirect.com: carrera owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 18:13:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Lixfeld To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PEX and XIE and fvwm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Never mind! :) Fixed it !:) Sorry! On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE and X11R6 on a work > computer. I had it installed on my home system (2.1.5-RELEASE) with no > problems, the only real hardware difference between the computer at work > and the computer at home is the fact that the one at work has an ATI mach > 32 PCI, and my computer at home has an ATI Mach 64 PCI 2MB DRAM. I am > noticing difficulty loading fvwm 2.0 (as per off of www.freebsd.org ports > collection). It looks for a 'PEX extension module' and an 'XIE extension > module' it says rthat they are borth not loaded. This seems to be > stoppiong the Xserver from starting. Any idea why? It works fine with > twm, but it will not work with fvwm. Any suggestions would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > > Jason A. Lixfeld > -=- > IDBS Administration > System Administrator > Client Services Representative > Systems Liason > -=- > Internet Direct o/a ComputerLink Online Inc. > 5415 Dundas Street West Suite 301 > Etobicoke, ON M9B 1B5 > CANADA > [416] 233.7150 {V} > [416] 233.6970 {F} > -=- > carrera@idirect.com > > Regards, Jason A. Lixfeld -=- IDBS Administration System Administrator Client Services Representative Systems Liason -=- Internet Direct o/a ComputerLink Online Inc. 5415 Dundas Street West Suite 301 Etobicoke, ON M9B 1B5 CANADA [416] 233.7150 {V} [416] 233.6970 {F} -=- carrera@idirect.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 21:30:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA09661 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from jump.net (serv1-2.jump.net [204.238.120.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09656 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pbcustomer by jump.net (8.8.3/BERK-6.8.11) id XAA09126; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:30:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961203053206.006b76e4@mail.jump.net> X-Sender: adonai@mail.jump.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 23:32:06 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Lee Crites Subject: ups recommendations... Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have some questions concerning power problems, and how y'all (the Texas non-gender specific pronoun) might be handling them. I'm open to any level of assistance you can provide on any/all questions (flames happily ignored). So here goes... 1) At this time I have a ups on each machine. Various makes and models and capablilities mixed and (mis)matched. I'd like to change to a single ups with a warning to one of the freebsd boxes when time is short. I can handle a script which will tell everyone to shut down, I just need to be know when to send it. I know of some ups interfaces which work with win95/winNT, and I do happen to have a win95 box on the system. However I don't know how to make the win95 box tell the freebsd box(es) to shut down. 2) When something *does* happen, and for some unknown reason things need to be rebooted, I'd like to be able to do that remotely. I've been told of a handly dandy little box which you plug into a phone line. You enter a code of some variety (via the touch-pad), and it will signal the machine to reboot. I've tried some web searches, but haven't found anything matching this description. I called my isp and asked them what they had. The support people didn't know what it was called. The only description they could give me was "black and silver box with the word 'Stanley' on it that had a phone jack, a power in and a power out and some other connector attached." They assumed the 'other connector' was something attached to one of the main machines, but since the line went into a conduit they couldn't follow it. 3) I have an gas-powered electric generator. It has a slot for a starter (it's the manual pull chord right now). Anyone set up a generator on their system? What kind of starter interface works? I called some of the local briggs&straton dealers and they acted like I was speaking some ancient swahili dialect. 4) I was told to keep my router off of the ups completely. The logic was if my router was still up and the telephone company was down then it would be more difficult for the router to reconnect. I don't quite follow this line of thinking. After all the CO has power backups out the wazoo, so it stands to reason it would be up. Anyway, what thoughts do you have on this point? Keep the router on the ups or off? Thanks muchly for whatever help you can provide. I don't mind researching if all you can toss at me is a web pointer or a company name. Lee Crites From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 22:03:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11386 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11381 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02812; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:03:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:03:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199612030603.XAA02812@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Lee Crites Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ups recommendations... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961203053206.006b76e4@mail.jump.net> References: <1.5.4.32.19961203053206.006b76e4@mail.jump.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1) At this time I have a ups on each machine. Various makes and models and > capablilities mixed and (mis)matched. I'd like to change to a single ups > with a warning to one of the freebsd boxes when time is short. I can handle > a script which will tell everyone to shut down, I just need to be know when > to send it. I know of some ups interfaces which work with win95/winNT, and > I do happen to have a win95 box on the system. However I don't know how to > make the win95 box tell the freebsd box(es) to shut down. On the 2.1.5R CD (I don't yet have the 2.1.6 CD), there is a program in dists/xperimnt/upsd/upsd-2.0.1.5.tar.gz that runs APC Smart-UPS models. Note, *don't* get the Smart V/S (value series), as many models don't have enough signals to do proper shutdown, but the 'Smart' UPS do. Also make sure and either buy at least one copy of the APC software for it (I bought the Win95 stuff since it was the cheapest) to get the cable, and you'll be set. The program works fine if you setup the configuration file, and you can have it send remote commands to other machines on your network or do whatever you wish when the power goes out, battery is dead, etc... > 4) I was told to keep my router off of the ups completely. The logic was > if my router was still up and the telephone company was down then it would > be more difficult for the router to reconnect. I don't quite follow this > line of thinking. After all the CO has power backups out the wazoo, so it > stands to reason it would be up. Anyway, what thoughts do you have on this > point? Keep the router on the ups or off? My router is the #1 priority for me to have on the UPS. I have mine on simply because 99.9% of the time we have a power spike/outage, the phone company is completely unaffected and I can keep my network connection up (which includes incoming/outgoing email, etc..). (Here's hoping my ISP has the same mentality, or else I'm still SOL w/out a connection.) Sorry I can't help with the other things... Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 22:29:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA14257 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14249 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA25349 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:45:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA06647 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:25:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:25:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ups recommendations... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961203053206.006b76e4@mail.jump.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Lee Crites wrote: > I have some questions concerning power problems, and how y'all (the Texas > non-gender specific pronoun) might be handling them. I'm open to any level > of assistance you can provide on any/all questions (flames happily ignored). Don't know about power problems but perhaps I can help on the grammar. Y'all is the plural second person pronoun, not a non-gender specific pronoun since English and all other Indo-European languages do not specify gender on either first or second person pronouns. 300 years ago we had singular/plural second person pronouns (thou/you) but eventually the second person pronoun took over both jobs. Now in many dialects of English "you" is being narrowed into the singular only and new forms like y'all, you'all, youse and yuz are being used as the plural. > 1) At this time I have a ups on each machine. Various makes and models and > capablilities mixed and (mis)matched. I'd like to change to a single ups > with a warning to one of the freebsd boxes when time is short. You used to be bale to get UPS's that simply closed a circuit between two external connectors as a warning. Since no current flowed between these connectors it was easy to connect pins two and three together and build a shell script that did stuff like cat a-file & junk=$$ cat >/dev/ttyxx < 2) When something *does* happen, and for some unknown reason things need to > be rebooted, I'd like to be able to do that remotely. I've been told of a > handly dandy little box which you plug into a phone line. You enter a code > of some variety (via the touch-pad), and it will signal the machine to This is the kind of stuff that you should look for in Radio Shack > 3) I have an gas-powered electric generator. It has a slot for a starter > (it's the manual pull chord right now). Anyone set up a generator on their > system? What kind of starter interface works? I called some of the local > briggs&straton dealers and they acted like I was speaking some ancient > swahili dialect. The fire marshal will shut you down if you have any quantity of gasoline near your office. Get a diesel generator and an approved diesel storage tank. > 4) I was told to keep my router off of the ups completely. The logic was > if my router was still up and the telephone company was down then it would > be more difficult for the router to reconnect. I don't quite follow this > line of thinking. After all the CO has power backups out the wazoo, so it > stands to reason it would be up. Anyway, what thoughts do you have on this > point? Keep the router on the ups or off? Keep it on. All your leased line customers with UPSes will be happy and some of your dialup customers will have UPSes or else their power will not be out so they will be happy that they can continue surfing. Consider keeping a 386 laptop running a RADIUS server on the UPS as well with the screen disconnected (install a switch). When the UPS runs out, the laptop battery will keep it going for another few hours. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 23:44:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA16993 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from kirk.nrv.net (kirk.nrv.net [206.99.236.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16988 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:44:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from abyss (taters@port-27.server2.nrv.net [206.99.236.109]) by kirk.nrv.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA24137; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:44:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A3DC96.2231@nrv.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 02:53:58 -0500 From: Troy Settle Reply-To: pitlord@nrv.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dillon CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ups recommendations... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Dillon wrote: > > 4) I was told to keep my router off of the ups completely. The logic was > > if my router was still up and the telephone company was down then it would > > be more difficult for the router to reconnect. I don't quite follow this > > line of thinking. After all the CO has power backups out the wazoo, so it > > stands to reason it would be up. Anyway, what thoughts do you have on this > > point? Keep the router on the ups or off? > > Keep it on. All your leased line customers with UPSes will be happy and > some of your dialup customers will have UPSes or else their power will not > be out so they will be happy that they can continue surfing. Consider > keeping a 386 laptop running a RADIUS server on the UPS as well with the > screen disconnected (install a switch). When the UPS runs out, the laptop > battery will keep it going for another few hours. When the UPS goes out, what do you need a RADIUS server for? you're terminal servers, routers, and everything else depending on the UPS is gonna be dead. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 2 23:53:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA17487 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA17482 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA26410 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:09:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA07332 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:49:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ups recommendations... In-Reply-To: <32A3DC96.2231@nrv.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Troy Settle wrote: > Michael Dillon wrote: > > > 4) I was told to keep my router off of the ups completely. The logic was > > > if my router was still up and the telephone company was down then it would > > > be more difficult for the router to reconnect. I don't quite follow this > > > line of thinking. After all the CO has power backups out the wazoo, so it > > > stands to reason it would be up. Anyway, what thoughts do you have on this > > > point? Keep the router on the ups or off? > > > > Keep it on. All your leased line customers with UPSes will be happy and > > some of your dialup customers will have UPSes or else their power will not > > be out so they will be happy that they can continue surfing. Consider > > keeping a 386 laptop running a RADIUS server on the UPS as well with the > > screen disconnected (install a switch). When the UPS runs out, the laptop > > battery will keep it going for another few hours. > > When the UPS goes out, what do you need a RADIUS server for? you're > terminal > servers, routers, and everything else depending on the UPS is gonna be > dead. Terminal servers, modems and routers use less power than web servers, email servers and similar equipment with hard drives. So it makes sense to put the essential stuff on a separate system which makes it easier to get extended run times. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 03:53:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA04968 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 03:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpit.thrush.com (rd@tarpit.magicnet.net [206.104.206.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA04962 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 03:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rd@localhost) by tarpit.thrush.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id GAA21217; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 06:53:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 06:53:40 -0500 (EST) From: "R.D. Thrush" Message-Id: <199612031153.GAA21217@tarpit.thrush.com> To: Lee Crites CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ups recommendations... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961203053206.006b76e4@mail.jump.net> References: <1.5.4.32.19961203053206.006b76e4@mail.jump.net> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Lee" == Lee Crites writes: Lee> I have some questions concerning power problems, and how y'all Lee> (the Texas non-gender specific pronoun) might be handling them. Lee> I'm open to any level of assistance you can provide on any/all Lee> questions (flames happily ignored). Lee> 2) When something *does* happen, and for some unknown reason Lee> things need to be rebooted, I'd like to be able to do that Lee> remotely. I've been told of a handly dandy little box which you Lee> plug into a phone line. You enter a code of some variety (via Lee> the touch-pad), and it will signal the machine to reboot. I've Lee> tried some web searches, but haven't found anything matching this Lee> description. [ ... ] I've had good luck with BSR X10 stuff. There are several telephone transponders available. One source of X10 components is http://www.techmall.com/smarthome -- Bob Thrush rd@thrush.com 407 425-4845/ FAX 872-8442 or 841-8004 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 10:31:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03692 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacific.pacific.net (pacific.pacific.net [199.4.80.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03687 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pacific.pacific.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with UUCP id KAA28074; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:31:31 -0800 Received: from neill.realgoods.com ([192.9.200.229]) by elwood.realgoods.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA13893; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:18:44 GMT Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: Neill Thornton To: Lee Crites cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ups recommendations... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961203053206.006b76e4@mail.jump.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: neillt@elwood.realgoods.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Lee Crites wrote: > I have some questions concerning power problems, and how y'all (the Texas > non-gender specific pronoun) might be handling them. I'm open to any level > of assistance you can provide on any/all questions (flames happily ignored). > > So here goes... > > 3) I have an gas-powered electric generator. It has a slot for a starter > (it's the manual pull chord right now). Anyone set up a generator on their > system? What kind of starter interface works? I called some of the local > briggs&straton dealers and they acted like I was speaking some ancient > swahili dialect. We have a large inverter system that we custom installed for our location, and we have a Honda generator that auto starts from a little box that monitors the incoming grid power. When the power goes out, the box flips the incoming power feed from the grid to the generator, and the generator is auto started. The inverter system only supports the system for about 3 minutes, the time the generator starts. Just for redundacy's sake, we also have some Smart-UPSes that backup our core machines (an IBM RS/6000, FreeBSD, some Novell systems) and when/if the main power system fails, the Smart-UPSes signal everything to shut down. It is a very clean install that we are happy with. Not to advertise or anything, but the company I work for, Real Goods, specializes in alternative energy products and power solutions. Call our technical sales department at 1-800-919-2400 for some free help designing power-interruption resilient systems. (They designed our system, in fact) The techs are very knowledgeable, and can usually answer any questions you might have about backup (or full-time) power solutions. Neill -- Neill Thornton Powered by FreeBSD Systems Administrator, Real Goods Trading Corp. Leslie Street Corporate Offices x2150 Adopt an animal... date a hockey player. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 10:44:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04336 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from irvine.americasnet.com (ricardo@irvine.americasnet.com [208.145.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04329 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ricardo@localhost) by irvine.americasnet.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14012 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:42:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:42:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ricardo Kleemann To: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: installing editors WITHOUT X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I've installed both VIM and EMACS in my freebsd system, however, it looks like by default these are the X versions of the programs... I need the text-based versions, no-X Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks. Ricardo From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 11:01:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05608 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05599 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA03896 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:00:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:56:44 -0500 () From: Bradley Dunn To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Ugh...long usernames Message-ID: X-X-Sender: bradley@harborcom.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. We have a BSD/OS box that we are going to be switching over to FreeBSD. There are about 100 logins on the BSD/OS box that are over 8 characters in length. After thinking this over, I have decided that getting all of those people to change their login names would be a tech. support nightmare. So that is not an option. The long names must stay. (Yes I know about sendmail aliases; no that is not an option because having the login name different from the email address is also a support nightmare.) >From discussions held on this matter in the past, my understanding is that UT_NAMESIZE in and MAXLOGNAME in are the numbers to change. So I change both of those numbers to 16, make the world, and hope everything works. Any caveats? I know this breaks NIS interoperability, but NIS between FreeBSD boxes will still work, correct? Thanks. -BD From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 12:01:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08123 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08117 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA27149; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:59:40 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199612031959.NAA27149@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: ups recommendations... To: pitlord@nrv.net Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:59:40 -0600 (CST) Cc: michael@memra.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <32A3DC96.2231@nrv.net> from "Troy Settle" at Dec 3, 96 02:53:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Michael Dillon wrote: > > > 4) I was told to keep my router off of the ups completely. The logic was > > > if my router was still up and the telephone company was down then it would > > > be more difficult for the router to reconnect. I don't quite follow this > > > line of thinking. After all the CO has power backups out the wazoo, so it > > > stands to reason it would be up. Anyway, what thoughts do you have on this > > > point? Keep the router on the ups or off? > > > > Keep it on. All your leased line customers with UPSes will be happy and > > some of your dialup customers will have UPSes or else their power will not > > be out so they will be happy that they can continue surfing. Consider > > keeping a 386 laptop running a RADIUS server on the UPS as well with the > > screen disconnected (install a switch). When the UPS runs out, the laptop > > battery will keep it going for another few hours. > > When the UPS goes out, what do you need a RADIUS server for? you're > terminal > servers, routers, and everything else depending on the UPS is gonna be > dead. Because you may have multiple UPS's? Around here, greatest priority is given to maintaining routers and other transit equipment. The moment the network dies, nothing else _matters_. I have three UPS "zones" covering my three racks, functionally divided. I am convinced it's not enough. Ideally, I want total redundancy, so that loss of any particular bit of hardware (including a UPS blowing a breaker, etc) does not fatally impair the operation of my core networks and services. Since most things are duplicated, this is not too hard to accomplish. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 12:30:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09969 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@p18.pm-9.pm.dimcom.net [208.206.178.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09963 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08050 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:35:01 -0700 Message-ID: <32A48EF5.693B26AE@w3page.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 13:35:01 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ISP@FreeBSD.org Subject: re: UPS Recomendations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A wee bit paranoid? Just get a good UPS system, that covers you for 20 minutes or so. Do a system shutdown if power is not restored in 10 minutes. ( Statistics are with you on this. ) Realize that: 1: Power _WILL_ fail in ways you can't fix, or provide backup for. 2: Most power problems aree the short spikes, brownouts, and momentary outages of a few seconds, UPS works fine. 3: Any power outage of more than a few seconds, is usually only a few minutes, UPS works fine. 4: Remaining outages are usually several hours, and affect much wider areas. UPS does system shutdown. 5: In case of extended blackout, put phone on voice message if phone is working. " There is a power outage affecting a large number of businesses in the metro area. Public service is working on it. We apologize for the inconvienance, we expect to be operational as soon as Pubic Service has restored power. Thank you." You could put a generator online, but, does EVERYONE upstream of you have this redundancy? If not, you are SOL if they loose power, whether you loose power or not. This seems to me to be a lot of work stress and money for the small amount of time you may be down. (and, you may be down anyway! ) The last time anything like that happened in the Denver area, was a major portion of the western U.S. Grid went down this summer. Downtime, 6 hours locally. 24+ hours in some parts of the western US. ( _NOT_ an ISP problem in my opine. ) Prior to that, 2 1/2 years ago, late summer snowstorm, dumped lots of heavy wet stuff on trees that still had leaves. Trees broke, taking power lines with them all across city. Downtime, 3 - 48 hours across city, depending on location. Also, TELEPHONE lines in some areas were down as well.( Again, not an ISP problem. ) Thats 2 interruptions of a few hours each, in almost three years. prior to that, I cannot recall the last major outage of several hours. There are Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, ice storms, constuction accidents, lightning, auto accidents, fires, earthquakes, and nuclear war that you could worry about interuppting your service... Fortunatly, for the most part, they are rare. For those customers unwilling to accept the fact that service CAN get interrupted, at their end, or yours, they need to take a stress pill and get a life. Best bet, get a reasonable UPS, and don't sweat the big stuff. After all, your upstream providor _could_ go out of business, now you have to get new T-1, new upstream, wait 60 days..... Now, THAT is someting to worry about. :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 12:45:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10691 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10686 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06705; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:45:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:45:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199612032045.NAA06705@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Blaine Minazzi Cc: ISP@freebsd.org Subject: re: UPS Recomendations In-Reply-To: <32A48EF5.693B26AE@w3page.com> References: <32A48EF5.693B26AE@w3page.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just get a good UPS system, that covers you for 20 minutes or so. > Do a system shutdown if power is not restored in 10 minutes. > ( Statistics are with you on this. ) Or get a smarter UPS that will cover you for the other 2% of the cases for very little money. The APC Smart UPS has a battery-low signal that tells the monitoring software when it has 2/5/15 minutes of battery left with the given load, so the system can shut down. Then, it turns power off to the system *after* your shutdown script tells it to shut the power off. Once power is restored and you wait a specific period of time and/or the battery to be charged up to a certain value, it turns the power back on again to your unit and it comes up cleanly. With the above scenario there are no chances for FS corruption or hardware problems (assuming the UPS does it's job). With the 'guess' solution you might have problems if you get into a situation where they are lots of up/down events (this occurs quite frequently), so your computer keeps booting/crashing, causing all sorts of problems. For the extra couple-hundred bucks for a smarter UPS I'm *much* more likely to go with the 'smarter' UPS. The time it saves in both hardware problems and the more important *time* to fix broken things is well worth it. > 4: Remaining outages are usually several hours, and affect much wider > areas. UPS does system shutdown. Assuming that the battery is fully charged yes, and that you don't have lots of outages. > 5: In case of extended blackout, put phone on voice message if phone is > working. " There is a power outage affecting a large number > of businesses in the metro area. Public service is working on it. We > apologize for the inconvienance, we expect to be operational as soon as > Pubic Service has restored power. Thank you." That doesn't protect your equipment as it goes up/down and you're off fishing somewhere in Canada. (Yeah, your backup should get it but he got called off on an emergency at another site. :() The difference between an 'adequate' UPS and a 'good' UPS is a couple of bucks, don't scrimp on it. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 13:04:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11638 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11633 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vV213-0008tbC; Tue, 3 Dec 96 13:04 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: ups recommendations... To: neillt@realgoods.com (Neill Thornton) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:04:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: adonai@jump.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Neill Thornton" at Dec 3, 96 10:17:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > and we have a Honda generator that auto starts from a little box One word about generators and UPS's: a year ago, during the Big Storm, we were out of power for 3+ days. The only generator left in Oregon by then was a little Honday 600W job, but that's enough to run the basic system and net connectivity. I figured to plug the UPSs into it and then I could shut it down to refuel periodically and the UPSs would carry it through. Well, think again. I've got 1500W of UPS and they were substantially discharged. The first thing they do when they see line power is suck it dry to recharge the batteries. The 600W couldn't cope, the UPSs saw a brownout and went offline. This repeated about every 5-10 seconds. I had to pull out the UPSs and run the system live off the generator, which didn't give me warm feelings hearing the transformer feeding the channel bank buzzing in synchronization with the generator motor variations. It worked though, and it was the first time I've heard of a system going down for refueling :-) -- Alan Batie ______ batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Assimilate this! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Worf, First Contact DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 13:10:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11953 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from intraserve.com (NS1.INTRASERVE.COM [204.174.32.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11947 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.174.32.130] by intraserve.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0vV265-000ox7C; Tue, 3 Dec 96 13:09 PST Message-Id: To: Allen Hyer Subject: Re: wuftpd questions Date: Wed, 04 Dec 96 13:11:32 -0500 From: X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v3.1 CC: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Doug Woodward * EMC.Ver #3.1 ] -- > Allen Hyer > System Administrator > West Texas Rural Telephone > Wrote: > I am using 2.1.5-Release, and have installed wu-ftpd. No problems with that, but now I have a couple of questions regarding its operation. > > 1. When a user logs on to the ftp daemon, can I restrict them to > where the only directory they can see is their home directory? It > would be nice if their home directory showed up as their "root" > directory. This can be setup for any user using a real sign-on id and password by modifing your wuftpd ftpaccess and password files for the users plus adding one new sub-directory to each user's home directory. The passwd file: 1) Change each users "home directory" to read /home/username/./ where /home/username/ is their root directory. The ./ is for wuftpd to tell it this is their top directory and prevent the user from going "higher". Any directory below will accessable to the user depending on the permissions you setup. If you wish to restrict their telnet/rlogin access change their "shell" to "/bin/false" or "/bin/true". This will automatically log them out as soon as they login in via telnet,etc. but it does not affect their ftp access (wuftpd acts as their shell). 2) Add a /bin sub-directory to each user's home (root) directory and place a copy of "ls". (For security reasons I suggese you do not do a link to "ls".) This allows the users to list the directories and files in their root directory. 3) Modify the wuftpd "ftpaccess" file (normally this file is located in "/etc" unless you have compiled wuftpd with a different setup) as follows. A) Find the line called guestgroup and add the "group" these users are in, to it. If you have more than one group seperate each one with a space-not commas. Sample: # specify which group of users will be treated as "guests". guestgroup web dialup B) Set the default permissions for each user as to what you will allow them to do by adding a line such as this sample for each user: upload /usr/home/directory * Yes loginid group 0750 dirs where "/usr/home/dirctory" is the users "root dir.", "loginid" is the user's login name and group" is the group you have assigned them to. "750" is the default directory/file permissions for new sub- directories they create and any files they upload. C) Check the permissions for what each type of user can do - anonymous, real and guest. delete no anonymous # delete permission? overwrite no anonymous # overwrite permission? rename no anonymous # rename permission? chmod no anonymous # chmod permission? umask no anonymous # umask permission? This sample allows any user who is NOT an anonymous login to do any of the above. If you wish to restrict any of these add the user type(s) to the line using a comma, such as: Delete no anonymous,real,guest # delete permission? D) Check your path filter line for characters in file/dir names that you will allow to be used. path-filter guest /etc/msgs/badname.msg ^[-A-Za-z0-9_&- \.]*$ ^\. Anything between the [ ] brackets is allowed. This sample only allow letter and numbers plus the symbols _&-. E) Check the line for max guest logins allowed and make sure it is set to allow for a reasonable number. limit guest 30 Any /etc/msgs/msg.toomany If you want to restrict the hours of the day and/or the days of the week they can login change "Any". Such as: limit guest 30 MoTuWeThFr|0800-1800 / would restrict them to 30 users total, mon-fri, 8am-6pm. > 2. When connecting to the ftp daemon from Internet Explorer, when you > select a file to start downloading, the dialog box that shows the > progress says "file size unknown". Is there something in the setup > that will allow it to tell Exporer the size of the file that is being > downloaded? Sorry but I can't help on this one. Doug Woodward IntraServe Technologies Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 13:12:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12060 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12055 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vV28Y-0008uMC; Tue, 3 Dec 96 13:12 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: UPS Recomendations To: bminazzi@w3page.com (Blaine Minazzi) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:12:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: ISP@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <32A48EF5.693B26AE@w3page.com> from "Blaine Minazzi" at Dec 3, 96 01:35:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Do a system shutdown if power is not restored in 10 minutes. > ( Statistics are with you on this. ) I was told by the power folks at work that if it's not back in about 3 minutes, it will be at least a half hour. The reason is that the automatic systems will do their thing in the first few minutes, and if that doesn't fix it, then someone has to physically go out to the problem site. -- Alan Batie ______ batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Assimilate this! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Worf, First Contact DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 13:35:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13496 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13487 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00466; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:35:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Reid To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: re: UPS Recomendations In-Reply-To: <199612032045.NAA06705@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I remember hearing somewhere that it's possible to connect deep-cycle marine batteries to a UPS, and power a small network for hours.. Has anyone attempted this? Any difficulties? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 13:49:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14349 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14342 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mdtancsa@localhost) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) id QAA25764; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: Mike D Tancsa Message-Id: <199612032152.QAA25764@granite.sentex.net> Subject: News machine FreeBSD config Question To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:52:08 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am trying to configure our news machine for optimal performance running FreeBSD 2.1.5R and I have a few config type questions I hope you can help me with... (*NOTE I have searched through the FreeBSD mailing lists and done a few searches on DejaNews and did not find all the answers to my questions. If however all this is in an FAQ somewhere that I missed, sorry to waste time and could you please point me to the right document.*) The hardware is the following Pentium 133 with 128Meg of EDO RAM NE2000 NIC AHA 2940 SCSI adapter /dev/wd0a 31775 15651 13582 54% / /dev/wd0s1e 1440639 1105935 219453 83% /usr /dev/sd0s1e 998879 246095 672874 27% /usr/local/news /dev/sd1e 3868777 2381285 1177990 67% /usr/local/newsspool This is the main news spoool /dev/sd2e 580303 153198 380681 29% /usr/local/newsspool/misc kinda a waste right now, but will change it... /dev/sd2f 628662 379097 199272 66% /usr/local/newsspool/rec /dev/sd2g 785902 158492 564538 22% /usr/local/newsspool/over.view I am starting InterNetNews server INN 1.4unoff4 05-Mar-96 ready with the following... unlimit datasize unlimit stacksize limit openfiles 1000 limit maxproc 400 We are not really feeding anyone else save a few UUCP customers who have perhaps 10-15meg a day that they slurp down from us. In terms of NNRP connections, we have perhaps 10 or so at peak times... Our active file contains around 16,000 groups of which in one week only 1500 were only accessed in a one week period :-( My questions are 1: I will be adding another Hawk SCSI 1 gig drive... How should I make use of it? put the comp.* on it or use it for logs? the IDE is currently being used just to spool /var/log/news and so on... watching vmstat, there is not a lot of activity on IDE however. Will getting rid of the IDE make a significant difference? 2: Should I get rid of the NE2000 for a PCI based NIC ? Again, will it make a big diff? If so, what is the PCI NIC of choice for FreeBSD ? 3: Kernel configs.... Currently I have the following options... ---------------------- #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem #options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device #options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console maxusers 64 options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=1024" options EXTRAVNODES=1 #the extravnodes I saw in another mailling list post and havent tried it yet... options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options MAXMEM=131072 ---------------------- Should I increase the maxusers even higher ? Are there any other kernel settings (undocumented or what not) that I should fiddle with? 4: Innd doesnt *seem* to be taking advantage of the memory I have in the system... Its only about 18meg right now as reported by ps... news 20373 9.0 13.7 18372 17688 ?? SNs Sun09AM 250:23.06 /usr/local/news/etc/innd -p7 -i0 Top reports the following info load averages: 0.08, 0.28, 0.23 15:47:27 43 processes: 2 running, 41 sleeping Cpu states: 0.9% user, 0.9% nice, 7.8% system, 0.9% interrupt, 89.5% idle Mem: 41M Active, 2068K Inact, 13M Wired, 70M Cache, 4855K Buf, 176K Free Swap: 144M Total, 64K Used, 144M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 20373 news -6 4 18M 18M biowai 250:30 8.13% 8.13% innd 5: As you can see, innd has reniced itself to 4... Should I fiddle with this value? If so, how do I prevent the spawned nnrpd's from also getting a higher priorty? 6: Has anyone using FreeBSD upgraded to INND 1.5? Is it worth it to upgrade to it? and... 7: Should I go through our active file and nuke groups that people really are not reading? Will it make a big difference to go down from 16,000 to about 10K? 8: At what point should I add another SCSI controller ? Thanks for looking this over and I appriciate any insights / suggestions you can provide, ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Waterloo, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatre (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 14:02:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15054 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.PII.COM (pii.com [192.77.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15049 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from PII.COM by PII.COM (4.1/SMI-4.4) id AA18139; Tue, 3 Dec 96 14:01:51 PST Received: from PII-Message_Server by pii.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Dec 1996 14:07:05 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 14:00:20 -0800 From: Robert Clark To: steve@edmweb.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Steve, Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ** Low Priority ** Steve, I'm planning to do a similar thing, for my hamshack at home, but I wouldn't consider it for use in a business. Something about modifying UL equipment goes against the grain. (Here) But then again, I've put together a few of the APC XL packs, and they are just a bunch of sealed batteries. (Each the size of a small car battery.) [RC] >>> Steve Reid 12/03/96 01:34pm >>> I remember hearing somewhere that it's possible to connect deep-cycle marine batteries to a UPS, and power a small network for hours.. Has anyone attempted this? Any difficulties? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 14:31:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16597 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:31:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16579 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id QAA27483 for isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:29:48 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199612032229.QAA27483@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News machine FreeBSD config Question To: mdtancsa@sentex.net (Mike D Tancsa) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:28:21 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199612032152.QAA25764@granite.sentex.net> from "Mike D Tancsa" at Dec 3, 96 04:52:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This will be a terse response :-) Just because I don't have lots of time. > Hello, I am trying to configure our news machine for optimal performance running > FreeBSD 2.1.5R and I have a few config type questions I hope you can help me > with... > > > (*NOTE I have searched through the FreeBSD mailing lists and done a few > searches on DejaNews and did not find all the answers to my questions. If > however all this is in an FAQ somewhere that I missed, sorry to waste time > and could you please point me to the right document.*) > > The hardware is the following > > Pentium 133 with 128Meg of EDO RAM Good > NE2000 NIC Bad > AHA 2940 SCSI adapter Expensive but good > /dev/wd0a 31775 15651 13582 54% / > /dev/wd0s1e 1440639 1105935 219453 83% /usr > /dev/sd0s1e 998879 246095 672874 27% /usr/local/news > /dev/sd1e 3868777 2381285 1177990 67% /usr/local/newsspool > This is the main news spoool > > /dev/sd2e 580303 153198 380681 29% /usr/local/newsspool/misc > kinda a waste right now, but will change it... > > /dev/sd2f 628662 379097 199272 66% /usr/local/newsspool/rec > /dev/sd2g 785902 158492 564538 22% /usr/local/newsspool/over.view Don't put multiple partitions on a disk. You are _forcing_ the disk to seek all over the place. > I am starting InterNetNews server INN 1.4unoff4 05-Mar-96 ready with the > following... > unlimit datasize > unlimit stacksize > limit openfiles 1000 > limit maxproc 400 > > We are not really feeding anyone else save a few UUCP customers who have > perhaps 10-15meg a day that they slurp down from us. In terms of NNRP > connections, we have perhaps 10 or so at peak times... Our active file > contains around 16,000 groups of which in one week only 1500 were only > accessed in a one week period :-( Typical. > My questions are > > 1: I will be adding another Hawk SCSI 1 gig drive... How should I make use > of it? put the comp.* on it or use it for logs? Put overview on it, that's what I would do. Get rid of misc and rec partitions. My news spools look like this: % df -k [...] /dev/ccd1e 1971087 771521 1041880 43% /news /dev/ccd2e 1971087 1032440 780961 57% /news/.0 /dev/ccd3e 1971087 603507 1209894 33% /news/.1 /dev/ccd4e 1971087 610164 1203237 34% /news/.2 [...] % ls /news/.2 aus chinese de fj news relcom uk bit comp es junk rec tw us % ls -l /news/aus lrwxrwxr-x 1 news news 6 Dec 3 08:33 /news/aus -> .2/aus % This way multiple hierarchies may share the disk without having to force the drive to go seeking from here to hell. > the IDE is currently being > used just to spool /var/log/news and so on... watching vmstat, there is not > a lot of activity on IDE however. Will getting rid of the IDE make a > significant difference? Probably not, but.... ecccccccchhh. :-( > 2: Should I get rid of the NE2000 for a PCI based NIC ? Again, will it make > a big diff? If so, what is the PCI NIC of choice for FreeBSD ? Probably. NE2000 is about as bad as it gets. I know they're only $15 or so for clones. I ran a larger news server than yours for quite some time on a WD8003E, but that does not mean it is wise. The Kingston KNE-40T's wholesale for around $35-$40. Excellent performance (easy to saturate a wire) and low cost make this my PCI Ethernet controller of choice. > 3: Kernel configs.... Currently I have the following options... > ---------------------- > #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation > options INET #InterNETworking > options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem > options NFS #Network Filesystem > #options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem > options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem > options PROCFS #Process filesystem > options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 > options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device > #options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA > bounce buffers > options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console > > maxusers 64 > options "CHILD_MAX=128" > options "OPEN_MAX=1024" > options EXTRAVNODES=1 > > #the extravnodes I saw in another mailling list post and havent tried it yet... > > options SYSVSHM > options SYSVSEM > options SYSVMSG > options MAXMEM=131072 > ---------------------- > > Should I increase the maxusers even higher ? Are there any other kernel > settings (undocumented or what not) that I should fiddle with? I usually use maxusers=#MBofRAM. 64 should be OK though. > 4: Innd doesnt *seem* to be taking advantage of the memory I have in the > system... Its only about 18meg right now as reported by ps... > news 20373 9.0 13.7 18372 17688 ?? SNs Sun09AM 250:23.06 > /usr/local/news/etc/innd -p7 -i0 It will eat more as time goes on :-) I have seen innd actively occupying 160MB of RAM. load averages: 1.47, 1.24, 0.90 16:22:40 63 processes: 4 running, 59 sleeping Cpu states: 64.7% user, 12.4% nice, 17.8% system, 5.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 213M Active, 1524K Inact, 18M Wired, 15M Cache, 7976K Buf, 300K Free Swap: 614M Total, 69M Used, 545M Free, 11% Inuse PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 29853 news 105 0 44M 44M RUN 5:03 71.14% 71.14% expire 18076 news 51 4 109M 107M RUN 961:09 9.54% 9.54% innd 11817 news -14 4 7204K 7112K ufslk2 12:24 6.41% 6.41% innfeed 11818 news -6 4 5896K 5796K RUN 10:16 3.93% 3.93% innfeed 11819 news 2 4 3960K 4040K select 5:39 1.53% 1.53% innfeed 11820 news 2 4 33M 31M select 3:23 0.72% 0.72% innfeed This is newspump.sol.net. 256MB RAM, usually more cache but right now an expire is occupying some valuable RAM. > Top reports the following info > load averages: 0.08, 0.28, 0.23 > 15:47:27 > 43 processes: 2 running, 41 sleeping > Cpu states: 0.9% user, 0.9% nice, 7.8% system, 0.9% interrupt, 89.5% idle > Mem: 41M Active, 2068K Inact, 13M Wired, 70M Cache, 4855K Buf, 176K Free > Swap: 144M Total, 64K Used, 144M Free That's an excellent cache value. I am used to seeing that on a machine with twice the memory you have. Note: readers, feeds, and INND itself will slowly eat away at that. > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 20373 news -6 4 18M 18M biowai 250:30 8.13% 8.13% innd > > 5: As you can see, innd has reniced itself to 4... Should I fiddle with this > value? If so, how do I prevent the spawned nnrpd's from also getting a > higher priorty? See config.data > 6: Has anyone using FreeBSD upgraded to INND 1.5? Is it worth it to upgrade > to it? Yes, and only if you need the features, in that order. > and... > > 7: Should I go through our active file and nuke groups that people really > are not reading? Will it make a big difference to go down from 16,000 to > about 10K? YES, this is a real win particularly once you get more readers. Active file size directly drives a lot of memory usage in INN. > 8: At what point should I add another SCSI controller ? Yesterday. Get several NCR-810's. They wholesale for about $65, I can buy three for what you paid for your 2940, and they work as well as the 2940. More importantly: you should get more disks. You can never have too many disks. My new "news.sol.net" will have 30 on six SCSI chains. > Thanks for looking this over and I appriciate any insights / suggestions you > can provide, Sorry for the quick reply, usually I try to explain "why" in more detail. ;-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 15:03:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18739 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@p18.pm-9.pm.dimcom.net [208.206.178.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18725 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08140 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:08:18 -0700 Message-ID: <32A4B2E1.5B3B8E9F@w3page.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:08:17 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ISP@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS Recomendations References: <32A48EF5.693B26AE@w3page.com> <199612032045.NAA06705@rocky.mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > The difference between an 'adequate' UPS and a 'good' UPS is a couple of bucks, don't scrimp on it. > > Nate ************ AMEN! ********************* The smart UPS are definatly the way to go... The 20 minutes or so is a guestimate. If things cycle a bunch... and cause problems, well... Shit happens. And when _I_ am off fishing in Canada, I couldn't fix it anyway. So, I don't worry about it. I could die in a plane crash too.... but that doesn't keep me from flying. ( Sans parachute. ) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 15:37:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21293 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (jc@irbs.irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21279 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:37:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA13981; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:37:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:37:12 -0500 From: jc@irbs.com (John Capo) To: bradley@dunn.org (Bradley Dunn) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugh...long usernames References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Organization: IRBS Engineering, (954) 792-9551 In-Reply-To: ; from Bradley Dunn on Dec 3, 1996 13:56:44 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoting Bradley Dunn (bradley@dunn.org): > > >From discussions held on this matter in the past, my understanding is that > UT_NAMESIZE in and MAXLOGNAME in are the numbers to > change. So I change both of those numbers to 16, make the world, and hope > everything works. Any caveats? /usr/src/include/protocols/rwhod.h: char out_name[8]; /* user id */ /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/lprm/lprm.c:static char luser[16]; /* buffer for person */ /usr/src/usr.bin/rdist/main.c:char user[10]; /* user's name */ /usr/src/usr.bin/rdist/server.c: static char user[15], group[15]; /usr/src/games/battlestar/externs.h:char uname[9]; /usr/src/release/sysinstall/anonFTP.c: char uid[8]; /* UID */ /usr/src/libexec/rexecd/rexecd.c: char user[16], pass[16]; /usr/src/libexec/rshd/rshd.c:char username[20] = "USER="; /usr/include/stdio.h:#define L_cuserid 9 /* size for cuserid(); UT_NAMESIZE + 1 */ I am sure there are more to be tracked down and killed. John Capo From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 16:18:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23985 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23979 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07883; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:18:28 -0800 (PST) To: Bradley Dunn cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugh...long usernames In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Dec 1996 13:56:44 EST." Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:18:28 -0800 Message-ID: <7879.849658708@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From discussions held on this matter in the past, my understanding is that > UT_NAMESIZE in and MAXLOGNAME in are the numbers to > change. So I change both of those numbers to 16, make the world, and hope > everything works. Any caveats? That is correct, and from what I've heard from others, it just seems to work. Maybe it's time for us to consider a new default? The fact that BSD/OS has upped this limit for awhile makes me think that we could probably get away with it as well, and I'd hate to be the last OS on the block with 8 character username limits - sort of like being the last OS with 14 character filename limits again, or something. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 16:23:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24285 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24280 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA06458 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:39:48 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA14956 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:19:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: re: UPS Recomendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Steve Reid wrote: > I remember hearing somewhere that it's possible to connect deep-cycle > marine batteries to a UPS, and power a small network for hours.. Has > anyone attempted this? Any difficulties? Get an experienced electrical tech to do this or else buy the UPS models that support additional batteries. You can get a couple of days runtime by doing this. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 16:32:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24813 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24808 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07997; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:32:01 -0800 (PST) To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) cc: neillt@realgoods.com (Neill Thornton), adonai@jump.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ups recommendations... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Dec 1996 13:04:33 PST." Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:32:01 -0800 Message-ID: <7993.849659521@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > carry it through. Well, think again. I've got 1500W of UPS and they > were substantially discharged. The first thing they do when they see > line power is suck it dry to recharge the batteries. The 600W couldn't That's why it's good to have an automated generator start and power-cutover system - you're not supposed to run off the UPS for any longer than it takes for the generator to start. :-) I'm actually putting a system exactly along those lines together for my new house in the north woods - it's also an ISP's POP, and they're busily building the battery shack now. Because of their remote location, most of their customers are actually *not* on the power grid and have solar arrays or Pelton wheels (or both) powering their computers. We'd therefore be the only ones down during a power outtage, and that'd look kinda bad. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 17:03:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25938 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25929 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA27629 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:57:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32A4CC4C.167EB0E7@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:56:44 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ISPs head-start! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been getting a few questions from people about the FreeBSD based Interjet.. For those of you who don't know me, My name is julian Elischer and I have been involved in FreeBSD since it was 386BSD. I wrote the SCSI system and various other bits here and there.. Recently I've been here at Whistle Communications making a 'plug-and-play' internet gateway out of freebsd. See http://www.freebsd.com for more info.. The aim of this device is to allow small businesses to connect to the internet via their ISP (you) without having to hire a system administrator. We are looking for ISPs to work with in introducing this device and giving it a good shakedown. It lives at the custommer site and connects to the ISP using Dial-on-demand PPP (analog or ISDN) and acts as a mail host/server and host address translation gateway. If any of you are running ISP instalations and would like to participate and get your feedback into the product (before it becomes ubiquitous :) you should give us a call. for now it is just available in teh US but we will be looking for Overseas ISPs soon too. We are interested in ISPs with some FreeBSD experience as we think that they will be more helpful in our attempts to find all the last bugs in this device.. How we envision you using this: the real-estate company down the road has 5 people. They all have PCs or MACs. They wish to surf the web and have individual email accounts. They also wish to publish web pages about their properties for sale. you sell them an interjet (hey it grows on you) AND ALLOCATE THEM A SINGLE IP ADDRESS. Using the address translation software built in, all users can read email from the intejet (using netscape (included) and use file sharing to drag and drop web pages to the interjet's publishing space, which it automatically mirrors to your web-farm. they can also surf, with the dial-on-demand routing capability. end of story.. Sorry if this sounds a bit like a sales pitch, but we really are looking for savvy ISPs to start using this, and the freeBSD ISP list seems to me the ideal place for me to find you guys so that we get on with pushing freebsd out there into the real world. hopefully if we make a big enough market, we can start hosting other services from FreeBSD and create a market for FreeBSD native apps.. anyway give us a call if you are at all interested.. the guy doing ISP liason is Phil Alexander.. phil@whistle.com thanks for reading me this far! :) yours in FreeBSD!! julian (julian@freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 19:09:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01773 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01763 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA14557; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:09:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:04:49 -0500 () From: Bradley Dunn To: John Capo cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugh...long usernames In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: bradley@harborcom.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, John Capo wrote: > /usr/src/include/protocols/rwhod.h: char out_name[8]; /* user id */ This is the same as in BSD/OS. I think changing this would maybe break rwho? > /usr/include/stdio.h:#define L_cuserid 9 /* size for cuserid(); UT_NAMESIZE + 1 */ In BSD/OS this is UT_NAMESIZE (ie 16). Anyone know why the +1? -BD From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 21:35:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07312 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07306; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199612040535.VAA07306@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: your mail To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:35:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp, bradley@dunn.org In-Reply-To: <199612032110.NAA04240@root.com> from "David Greenman" at Dec 3, 96 01:10:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi. > > We have a BSD/OS box that we are going to be switching over to FreeBSD. > There are about 100 logins on the BSD/OS box that are over 8 characters in > length. > > After thinking this over, I have decided that getting all of those people > to change their login names would be a tech. support nightmare. So that is > not an option. The long names must stay. (Yes I know about sendmail > aliases; no that is not an option because having the login name different > from the email address is also a support nightmare.) > > >From discussions held on this matter in the past, my understanding is that > UT_NAMESIZE in and MAXLOGNAME in are the numbers to > change. So I change both of those numbers to 16, make the world, and hope > everything works. Any caveats? > > I know this breaks NIS interoperability, but NIS between FreeBSD boxes > will still work, correct? > > Thanks. > > - -BD NIS will still work, yes. The username is not copied to any buffers that might overflow (it's actually used in-place). Technically, NIS itself doesn't care about the length of the username: the only limitation is that records (keys or data) can't be longer that 1024 bytes. Whether or not the rest of the OS can deal with it is another matter. -Bill From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 21:59:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA08207 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08201 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedar.netten.net (root@cedar.netten.net [205.244.191.3]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA29261 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from tracyphi (d38.netten.net [205.244.191.158]) by cedar.netten.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA22776; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:59:55 -0600 Message-ID: <32A51349.4D9C@cedar.netten.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:59:37 -0600 From: "Tracy E. Phillips" Reply-To: tphilips@cedar.netten.net Organization: redpoint.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: Bradley Dunn , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugh...long usernames References: <7879.849658708@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Maybe it's time for us to consider a new default? The fact that > BSD/OS has upped this limit for awhile makes me think that we could > probably get away with it as well, and I'd hate to be the last OS on > the block with 8 character username limits - sort of like being the > last OS with 14 character filename limits again, or something. :-) > > Jordan i will agree with the above statement 100% i cast my vote for long usernames :) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 23:31:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA13832 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13772 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vVBlz-0008ruC; Tue, 3 Dec 96 23:29 PST Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id XAA00728; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14696 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:19:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612040719.XAA14696@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Your Mail Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:19:26 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk People, PLEASE don't ever address a reply to something on a public list as "Your Mail". 99.99% of the time, it is NOT _MY_ mail, and 80% of those instances are things I couldn't care less about. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to think up a subject line that has something to do with the purpose of the message. This is a mental exercise you should try to get yourself in the habit of doing every time you send a message. "Your Mail", and "A Question" don't count. The reason I am bitching is because this is about the fourth time I've seen it in the last couple months (not necessarily on this list each time), and I find it extremely annoying. Thanks for your attention... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 3 23:52:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14874 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14777 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA01585; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:51:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612040751.XAA01585@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Your Mail In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:19:26 PST." <199612040719.XAA14696@MindBender.serv.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:51:18 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >People, PLEASE don't ever address a reply to something on a public >list as "Your Mail". 99.99% of the time, it is NOT _MY_ mail, and 80% >of those instances are things I couldn't care less about. > >It doesn't take more than a few seconds to think up a subject line >that has something to do with the purpose of the message. This is a >mental exercise you should try to get yourself in the habit of doing >every time you send a message. "Your Mail", and "A Question" don't >count. > >The reason I am bitching is because this is about the fourth time I've >seen it in the last couple months (not necessarily on this list each >time), and I find it extremely annoying. Just in case you didn't know, "Your Mail" is inserted automatically by most mailers when they don't find a Subject: line. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 4 07:26:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14136 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14127 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA04775; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:43:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:43:51 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Ricardo Kleemann cc: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: installing editors WITHOUT X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've installed both VIM and EMACS in my freebsd system, however, it looks > like by default these are the X versions of the programs... I need the > text-based versions, no-X I can not even get xemacs to install it just barfs. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 4 08:03:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA22955 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 08:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22943 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 08:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03495; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:02:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:02:50 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: Stefan Molnar cc: Ricardo Kleemann , FreeBSD ISP list Subject: Re: installing editors WITHOUT X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Stefan Molnar wrote: > > > I've installed both VIM and EMACS in my freebsd system, however, it looks > > like by default these are the X versions of the programs... I need the > > text-based versions, no-X As far as I know, VIM isn't for X at all.. I added it to my system with no problems! I just did 'pkg_add /cdrom/packages/All/vim-3.0.tgz' and I was off to the races. I don't use Emacs, however, so I can't help you on that one. -Mark --------------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | RingZero Comp. vinyl.quickweb.com/mark | --------------------------------------------------- "To iterate is human, to recurse divine." - L. Peter Deutsch > > I can not even get xemacs to install it just barfs. > > Stefan > > -------------------------------------------- > Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net > stefan@exis.net Member EFF > Slightly Silly Team OS/2 > east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU > "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? > I got better." -Monty Python > -------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 4 09:27:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04749 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (spork@super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04744; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27126; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:24:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:24:54 -0600 (CST) From: "S(pork)" X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Jay L. West" cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: internet billing In-Reply-To: <199612021246.GAA02528@bsd.tseinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please, Stay away from it at all costs if you have already started your business... The billing plans are rather inflexible, it is ungodly slow on Win95 (I think they recently came out with a "beta" version), they release "bug-fixes" every week or so, and tech support amounted to (and I'm not kidding) "Open up About... Help; click on each section and print it if you would like a hard copy for your billing personnel to read..." These people are scam artists. The worst part being that it is a simple MSAccess runtime, but they "lock" the SQL stuff so that you can't fix their mistakes. We had a heavy-duty SQL guru who knew what was wrong with it, but couldn't get in to hack it into submission. Again, if you've ever used Access and thought it slow, you will see worse performance from this lame product. If anyone knows of any other ISP billing programs of merit, please post over on freebsd-isp and share your experiences... Charles On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Jay L. West wrote: > > I was just wondering if anybody has tried out that InternetBilling > > program specialized for ISP's ? > > > > more info on the subject is on www.internetbilling.com > > We use it. It seems to work very well. The full blown version is > $1500 (a bit steep I think but it does save a LOT of time). The > demo version is fully functional except for the number of users > it supports. The 16 bit demo version is locked at no more than > 300 users, the 32 bit demo is locked at 10. The first registration > level ($1500) goes to 1000 users, higher levels are available. > If you're small and want to grow into it, you can buy a support > contract for the demo version for $500, which is credited to > a later purchase of the registered one. The registered version > includes the support contract. > > It has a few idiosyncracies. The billing plans are not as granular > as it would seem at first. The statement detail is a bit confusing > as well. On the other hand, their tech support is absolutely > top notch and they have demonstrated a strong willingness to > incorporate user suggestions for enhancements. On the whole, > I wouldn't do business without it. > > J. West > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 4 14:41:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id OAA20276 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smople.thehub.com.au (smople.thehub.com.au [203.17.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20241; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from richard@localhost) by smople.thehub.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA13871; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:38:02 +1000 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:38:01 +1000 (EST) From: Richard J Uren To: "S(pork)" cc: "Jay L. West" , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: internet billing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, S(pork) wrote: > Please, > > Stay away from it at all costs if you have already started your > business... The billing plans are rather inflexible, it is ungodly slow > on Win95 (I think they recently came out with a "beta" version), they > release "bug-fixes" every week or so, and tech support amounted to (and > I'm not kidding) "Open up About... Help; click on each section and print > it if you would like a hard copy for your billing personnel to read..." > These people are scam artists. The worst part being that it is a simple > MSAccess runtime, but they "lock" the SQL stuff so that you can't fix > their mistakes. We had a heavy-duty SQL guru who knew what was wrong with > it, but couldn't get in to hack it into submission. Again, if you've ever > used Access and thought it slow, you will see worse performance from this > lame product. If anyone knows of any other ISP billing programs of merit, > please post over on freebsd-isp and share your experiences... > > Charles > Hey Charles, You could try Platypus. See :- www.boardtown.com We're just about to start our first montly billing cycle with it (tomorrow). The people that produce it are friendly & helpful. Ive never had an unanswered question longer than 24 hours. It uses sql server (on NT) & clients on win 95. I'll update in a month or so after our first cycle is complete if your interested. Cheers Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 4 21:15:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id VAA14577 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunfire.ucs.net (root@sunfire.ucs.net [199.224.7.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14572 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (afurman@localhost) by sunfire.ucs.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA23103 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:09:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:09:35 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Furman To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: pcnfs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to know if anyone has a pcnfsd conf file. Adam Adam Furman System Administrator of Sunfire.ucs.net afurman@amf.net Irc HUB Admin of irc.ucs.net Mud Admin of sunfire.ucs.net:4000 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 4 22:18:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id WAA17197 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.interworld.net (news.interworld.net [206.124.224.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17191 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pete@localhost) by news.interworld.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA16474; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:17:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:17:59 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Carah Message-Id: <199612050617.WAA16474@news.interworld.net> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News machine FreeBSD config Question In-Reply-To: <199612032229.QAA27483@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Organization: InterWorld Communications Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199612032229.QAA27483@brasil.moneng.mei.com> jgreco write: > >This will be a terse response :-) Just because I don't have lots of time. So will mine... > >> Hello, I am trying to configure our news machine for optimal performance running >> FreeBSD 2.1.5R and I have a few config type questions I hope you can help me >> with... > >> 4: Innd doesnt *seem* to be taking advantage of the memory I have in the >> system... Its only about 18meg right now as reported by ps... >> news 20373 9.0 13.7 18372 17688 ?? SNs Sun09AM 250:23.06 >> /usr/local/news/etc/innd -p7 -i0 > >It will eat more as time goes on :-) I have seen innd actively occupying >160MB of RAM. Try linking it with gnumalloc. Works wonders and the growth is greatly slowed... Seems to run faster but that may be an illusion. We are getting about 1.5g/day from 5 feeds (about half from one of them) and (outbound) feeding only two (we backfeed all the feeds but of course, most come out refused, except for the (unnamed :-) one that can't accept or reject news nearly fast enough) with one uucp feed and 4-5 nnrp at a time. System is HX board with P166 and 128mb and seems pretty stable this way. (and nnrp may increase a bunch soon). Another memory leak I've seen is bash running innwatch; it grows to 18mb after a couple of weeks; you really want to restart innwatch more often than that. Haven't (yet) tried bash with gnumalloc, and the default fbsd sh at least used to core when used to run innwatch. Then again, all that really uses up is swap... We're currently using 4 3g disks (that's what we had :-) with acceptable performance. It could be improved but certainly keeps up with the 2 T1's and all the readers. I still have .overview distributed in the spool; is it a win to put it on its own partition? (I'd guess for incoming it would be but not for readers; obviously it doesn't matter for feeds...) -- Pete From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 5 05:06:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA06448 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 05:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from abacus.tioga.com (root@abacus.tioga.com [205.146.65.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA06439 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 05:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mayday.tioga.com (annex1-01.tioga.net [205.146.65.60]) by abacus.tioga.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15330 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:17:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961205130754.0067eb70@email.tioga.com> X-Sender: tbalfe@email.tioga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:07:54 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Thomas J Balfe Subject: java chat? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone tried a java chat that interfaces to a standard ircd machine? I want one that doesn't want a big site license fee and with work with my regular ircd box. I have found JiRC, but it probably wants some insane licensing fee. http://virtual.itribe.net/jirc/ It just seems weird that people want to charge for the java applet when ircii and others are free. It seems like just having a hotlink to that authors site would be enough, but I guess not. ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.net President http://www.tioga.net/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-861-2100 ======================================================================== "Humanity has been compared...to a sleeper who handles matches in his sleep and wakes to find himself in flames." - H.G. Wells The World Set Free 1914 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 5 05:20:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA06880 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 05:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.novalink.com (root@bifrost.novalink.com [192.233.90.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA06868 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 05:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from foundation.novalink.com ([204.166.232.114]) by bifrost.novalink.com with SMTP id <2728-3>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:20:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961205081826.006918c4@mail.novalink.com> X-Sender: verdell@mail.novalink.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:18:27 +0000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Verdell B. Hicks" Subject: News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Good Morning all, I'm noticing a problem passing news groups back to my news feed. I've been through how they say I need to set up my files and still no go. For starters I am set up over there as an authorized return feed. They added me by hostname and by IP to make sure they aren't denying me the service. First of all the error is this. Dec 5 08:00:04 loki innxmit[2750]: newsfeed.internetmci.com connect failed 502 You h ave no permission to talk. Goodbye. Now my newsfeeds contains the following that is pertinent ME\ :*,!nova.*/world,usa,na,gnu,bionet,pubnet,u3b,eunet,vmsnet,inet,ddn,\ k12\ :: newsfeed.internetmci.com/news.internetmci.com:*:Tf,Wnm: And my nntpsend.ctl file contains newsfeed.internetmci.com:newsfeed.internetmci.com:: That's all. I don't have a clue as to why this could be happening. Could this be an error on the part of the installation settings? Thanks to everyone who has helped me so far. News is flowing in great and I'm watching that 4 gig drive go quickly. This next one is a potentially stupid question but once news.daily runs, what actually process actually goes through and deletes the articles? I inherited this busted with a pat on the back and an it's all yours now. I noticed that news.daily was not being run and therefore no articles ever actually expired. I ran it manually and did quite a bit according to my process logs. But the size of the partition hasn't changed in size and I have a QUICK expiration due to space. What else happens to make expired messages go away.And so that news.daily gets run how often should I have it run? Muchos Gracias. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 5 11:30:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA26818 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA26791; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from allenh.wtrt.net (local2.wtrt.net [205.231.181.228]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA16267; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:31:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199612051931.NAA16267@inetsrv.wtrt.net> From: "Allen Hyer" To: Cc: Subject: SNMP Manager Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:29:48 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone recommend a freely available SNMP Manager for FreeBSD? If not for FreeBSD, then I guess I could use one for Win95, but I would rather run it on the FreeBSD box. Thanks, Allen Hyer System Administrator West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 5 12:42:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA02365 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (root@srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA02341; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from scott.cr.usgs.gov (aslpca.cr.usgs.gov [136.177.121.30]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA17833; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:42:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:42:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199612052042.NAA17833@srv1.thuntek.net> X-Sender: scott@206.206.98.18 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Allen Hyer" , From: Scott Halbert Subject: Re: SNMP Manager Cc: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:29 PM 12/5/96 -0600, Allen Hyer wrote: > Can anyone recommend a freely available SNMP Manager for FreeBSD? If not >for FreeBSD, then I guess I could use one for Win95, but I would rather run >it on the FreeBSD box. You can run tkined and scotty (they are in ports). They aren't bad and are slowly evolving into a pretty competent network management system. You have to have an X environment to run them. I run eXcursion (an X window system emulator for NT and windows) and then run the programs on win95 remotely from my FreeBSD boxes. Check: http://wwwsnmp.cs.utwente.nl/~schoenw/scotty >Thanks, >Allen Hyer >System Administrator >West Texas Rural Telephone ---Scott Halbert Thunder Network Technologies, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 5 23:04:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA01515 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@router.gateway.net.hk [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA01495 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.8.3/8.7.3) id OAA12646; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:50:26 +0800 (HKT) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:50:25 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Bradley Dunn cc: John Capo , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugh...long usernames In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Bradley Dunn wrote: > On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, John Capo wrote: > > > /usr/src/include/protocols/rwhod.h: char out_name[8]; /* user id */ > > This is the same as in BSD/OS. I think changing this would maybe break > rwho? > > > /usr/include/stdio.h:#define L_cuserid 9 /* size for cuserid(); UT_NAMESIZE + 1 */ > > In BSD/OS this is UT_NAMESIZE (ie 16). Anyone know why the +1? UT_NAMESIZE in utmp.h is used as an array of char. The +1 is for the '\0' to make it a cstring. > > -BD > > jbeukema From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 6 00:15:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA05677 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from eternal.dusk.net (root@eternal.dusk.net [207.219.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA05671 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vlad@localhost) by eternal.dusk.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA02761 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:14:20 -0400 (AST) From: There is no satisfaction without Action Message-Id: <199612060814.EAA02761@eternal.dusk.net> Subject: Number of users To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:14:20 -0400 (AST) X-URL: http://www.dusk.net & http://www.vampires.net X-Moto: Life for today and let the future take care of itself X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Good Day, I have seen a good many questions pass by with an incredible amount of responses, thank you to all who answer those questions, you've saved many a people time to get things cleared up. If someone could help me out, it would be muchly appreciated as well. I run a P133 with 64M of RAM and 128M swap file and am wondering how many users this machine will handle before starting to choke. The machine is for shell accounts only, so people can only telnet in. Assuming the average user with usual tasks (mail, irc, some running screen perhaps ) how long before I should consider upgrading the machine and/or memory ? (If you think that upgrading the ram would be ok until X users are reached it would be great, as the price of ram hasn't been this low in ages =) ). Also another question (all of a sudden questions seem to be streaming in =) ) is that how many virtual domains can FreeBSD support, and what would some of you expierenced users recommend for RAM in such a machine? (lets take a minimum of perhaps 20 Virtual domains. The machine is dedicated to running VWH only, so users will most likley only use ftp, telnet and whatnot to upgrade their pages ). Thank You in advance, Christian From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 6 18:58:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA25954 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from luke.cpl.net (root@[206.85.246.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA25946 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00866 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:58:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:58:21 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey X-Sender: shawn@luke.cpl.net To: isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-isp From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 6 19:09:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA26228 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from intrastar.net (root@INTRASTAR.NET [206.136.25.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA26223 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jakes@FIXED.INTRASTAR.NET [206.136.25.69]) by intrastar.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13532; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 20:47:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199612070247.UAA13532@intrastar.net> From: "Jacob Suter" To: "Shawn Ramsey" , Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:08:00 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Shawn Ramsey > To: isp@freebsd.org > Subject: > Date: Friday, December 06, 1996 8:58 PM > > subscribe freebsd-isp I don't want to :-p From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 7 03:46:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA22782 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 03:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from tu.kielce.pl (andrzej@eden.tu.kielce.pl [193.59.4.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA22777 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 03:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrzej@localhost) by tu.kielce.pl (8.7.5/8.7.3/ts-ugUA.960515) id MAA29945; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:44:53 +0100 (MET) From: Andrzej Szydlo Message-Id: <199612071144.MAA29945@tu.kielce.pl> Subject: looking for ISP to host our domains To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:44:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: andrzej@sabat.tu.kielce.pl X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm looking for someone who could host virtual domains for our customers. If interested, please write to: andrzej@sabat.tu.kielce.pl and I'll give you more details. TIA Andrzej From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 7 10:50:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA05345 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 10:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis.idirect.com (root@nemesis.idirect.com [207.136.80.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA05333 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 10:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from hometown.idirect.com (carrera@hometown.idirect.com [207.136.66.27]) by nemesis.idirect.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA22105; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 13:49:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (carrera@localhost) by hometown.idirect.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23525; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 13:30:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hometown.idirect.com: carrera owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 13:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Lixfeld To: Andrzej Szydlo cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, andrzej@sabat.tu.kielce.pl Subject: Re: looking for ISP to host our domains In-Reply-To: <199612071144.MAA29945@tu.kielce.pl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Check out Internet Direct's web division at iDirect.Commerce - http://web.idirect.com or call (416) 233-7150. Full T3 connection, currently home to over 4,000 websites, over 1000 virtually hosted domains, and much more.. On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Andrzej Szydlo wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for someone who could host virtual domains for our > customers. If interested, please write to: > andrzej@sabat.tu.kielce.pl > and I'll give you more details. > > TIA > > Andrzej > > Regards, Jason A. Lixfeld -=- IDBS Administration System Administrator Client Services Representative Systems Liason -=- Internet Direct o/a ComputerLink Online Inc. 5415 Dundas Street West Suite 301 Etobicoke, ON M9B 1B5 CANADA [416] 233.7150 {V} [416] 233.6970 {F} -=- carrera@idirect.com