From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 29 07:10:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA02724 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 07:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.umu.se (dns.umu.se [130.239.8.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA02718 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 07:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from redsandy (RAIN@ipcs4-5.modem.umu.se [130.239.8.187]) by mail.umu.se (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA29008 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:10:23 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:10:23 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612291510.QAA29008@mail.umu.se> X-Sender: larsf@freenet.hut.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: isp@freebsd.org From: natad@cryogen.com (Lars Fredriksson) Subject: Re: New domain... X-Mailer: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HI, >>I'm using Freebsd 2.0.5, have no problem with it, but >>I must admit I don't know much about adding domain >>names. > >The O'Reilly & Associates book "TCP/IP Network Administration" has, among >other things, some named info. It's enough to get a nameserver up and >running. If you need more, there's a "DNS and BIND" book from the same >publisher. > NME (Nameserving Made Easy - pronounced "Enemy" :-) is written by Christer Holgersson, and makes it easier to configure named. I hasn't tested it yet myself, but I think it should work quite great ... Look at http://www.umu.se/NME.html (for the documentation) or ftp.umu.se/src/umu/ (for the source). _ ___ _ _ __ _____ __ ==|\=|=/_\==|==/_\=| \======<__| |_ _| |__>== | \| | | | | | |_/ |_| _ Lars Fredriksson |________| |_____ natad@cryogen.com | 0 __ |_ http://elddonet.home.ml.org/ | |__| [] -| From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 29 08:33:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA04501 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA04495 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22066; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 11:35:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961229114708.00690ff8@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 11:47:11 -0500 To: Peter Carah From: dennis Subject: Re: Bandwidth.. Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 03:36 PM 12/28/96 -0800, Peter Carah wrote: >In article you write: > >>Three separate questions here: >>Q1: how many virtual IPs can you put on a FreeBSD box? >>A1: More than 5,000 (that is as high as anyone has bothered to test.) >Wow. I'd heard of 400-500... Our max is about 50 so far. > >>Q2: What load can a P133/64MB cope with? >>A2: Well, other significant factors are disk type/speed and CPU L2 cache >> size. However, a 486-66 can sustain a load of about 5 conn/sec, so >> you are really looking at > 10 conn/sec, 600 conn/min, 36,000 conn/hour. > >>Q3: What load can a 128kbps ISDN ? >>A3: 128kbps == 16kBytes/sec. Since the average Web document is about >> 15kBytes, you should be able to sustain a load of 1 conn/sec. >Our files are mostly shorter so you get a few more hits. > >>Note that the capabilities of the P133 are *much* greater than the 128k link. > >Amen... You really only need the pentium if you're running news or if >there are some database cgi's. That's even true on T1's, though it >is getting closer. I don't know how the kernel ip lookup is for virt >hosts; if you get too many there may be a time sink in the packet interrupt >handler. On the other hand, pentia are cheap enough and it never hurts >to have too much power... > >>Most of my customers' virtual servers get between 5,000 and 30,000 >>connections per month: less than 100 per hour. > >One server I deal with is a P120 with 32mb; it has 1.2mil hits in december so >far, with only 3 virt hosts out of 47 over 100k (and only 4 more over 10k; >most sites are very little visited) The biggest comes to 15k/day or >about 1 every 4 or 5 seconds. > >1.2e6/(30*86400) = about 1 every 2 seconds overall. Of course, this >load is really *very* bursty so the average means nothing; the big site is >sending very little text and lots of small pictures (no, it isn't an >"adult" site; it's mostly in a language with a non-roman alphabet so >everything has to be sent as graphics). > >This machine runs anon ftp too with about 1.5-3k hits/day of 1/2 meg >average. > >Right now, top shows 100% idle with 17m memory active... The argument for a high speed pentium is much the same as the V8 vs 4cyl one. Both will get you there without much problem, but when you need that "extra power" its nice....if you can afford it. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 29 12:52:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA11613 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from intraserve.com (0@NS1.INTRASERVE.COM [204.174.32.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA11608 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.174.32.130] by intraserve.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0veSDI-00447kC; Sun, 29 Dec 96 12:52 PST Message-Id: To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: New domain... Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 12:54:42 -0500 From: X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v3.1 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Doug Woodward * EMC.Ver #3.1 ] -- > > >>I'm using Freebsd 2.0.5, have no problem with it, but > >>I must admit I don't know much about adding domain > >>names. > > > >The O'Reilly & Associates book "TCP/IP Network Administration" has, among > >other things, some named info. It's enough to get a nameserver up and > >running. If you need more, there's a "DNS and BIND" book from the same > >publisher. > > > NME (Nameserving Made Easy - pronounced "Enemy" :-) is written by Christer > Holgersson, and makes it easier to configure named. > I hasn't tested it yet myself, but I think it should work quite great ... > > Look at http://www.umu.se/NME.html (for the documentation) or > ftp.umu.se/src/umu/ (for the source). > There are some good free on-line guides available as well. Try: http://www.dns.net/dnsrd http://eeunix.ee.usm.maine.edu/guides/dns/dns.html http://www.ludd.luth.se/~kavli/BIND-FAQ.html The third one is a good choice for beginners. Doug Woodward IntraServe Technologies Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 29 17:25:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA23659 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 17:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from boris.clintondale.com (boris.clintondale.com [206.88.120.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA23654 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 17:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by boris.clintondale.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02010 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 20:25:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 20:25:11 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Hamilton To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have just been looking at various mail systems and comparing them to sendmail in my quest for longer usernames and moving username authentication away from /etc/passwd. In my searching through the sendmail FAQ I came across several comments from Eric Allman about the fact that usernames should NOT be First_Lastname@domain.com due to what happens if another person of the same name comes along. Unlikeyly, but still possible. I started to think about changing my plan and using some sort of unique alphanumeric user id such as mh6225 or such. Perhaps using the first two initials and then some sort of unique number (UID maybe?). And then just putting hteir name in /etc/aliases to alias it to the logon ID. My fear is that this will confuse users too much and make the system a bit impersonal. I would much rather my address be m.hamilton@clintondale.com rather than mh6225@clintondale.com. OK, so I would still get mail devlivered to m.hamilton, but I think most users would still get confused. I might want to also figure out a way so sendmail rewites the address as mail is sent so that the from line says m.hamilton@clintondale.com instead of mh6225. I am starting to confuse myself now and I am wondering whether this is all worth it :) but I would be interested in hearing what other ISPs or mail servers policy is. Escpecially those that are trying to target a business audience. -Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Hamilton Clintondale Aviation matt@clintondale.com http://www.clintondale.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 29 18:45:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26477 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtest.usit.net (smtest.usit.net [199.1.48.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA26466 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by smtest.usit.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA25808 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:53:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:44:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Troy W. Settle" To: FreeBSD-isp mailing list Subject: network configuration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey all, I needs some advice. I've got 3 machines, all running 2.1.6: prime, radford, and gizmo prime is the big boy, where I'd like to run ftp, httpd, samba, mail, as well as backup for named and radius. No user shell access. gizmo will be primary server for radiusd and named, as well as a backup mail exchanger, there will be no user shell access. radford will be availiable for my users, as a shell server, and user web server. Currently, the plan is to keep /home on prime, and use nfs to mount it on radford. All 3 machines will need to be able to authenticate users, and 2 of them will need to keep track of each user's $HOME What's the best way to go about doing this? I really don't think that manually updating /etc/passwd is an option, as it would have to be done after every time a user changes his password. There's lots of options, I'm wondering which offers the best security for the convenience, and which is easiest to install. Also, how do I restrict shell access to just the one machine? Thanks in advanced for any info you can offer, Troy From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 29 21:59:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA02233 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from intrastar.net (root@intrastar.net [206.136.25.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA02228 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jakes@fixed.intrastar.net [206.136.25.69]) by intrastar.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17387; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:00:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199612300600.AAA17387@intrastar.net> From: "Jacob Suter" To: "Peter Carah" , "dennis" Cc: Subject: Re: Bandwidth.. Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 20:18:11 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The argument for a high speed pentium is much the same as the > V8 vs 4cyl one. Both will get you there without much problem, but > when you need that "extra power" its nice....if you can afford it. My personal experiece an AMD 80386DX/40 with 5 megs ram and a single IDE drive running apache should be able to handle an ISDN speed connection with a lot of hits when running FreeBSD 2.1.0 (its been a while since I did this). At 5 megs it would have eventually beat the hard drive to death, but at 8 megs it was as fast over ethernet (10mbps) as my current webserver (5x86/133, 32 megs ram). The 386 handled 7,500 hits/day (one of my users decided to put up a porn site) for about a week without too much trouble. I'd never want to try to make it do it again though :-) TTYL JS From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 29 23:41:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA05215 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtest.usit.net (smtest.usit.net [199.1.48.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA05208 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by smtest.usit.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA04008 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:49:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Troy Settle To: FreeBSD-isp mailing list Subject: NIS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Uhmm.. skip my earlier post, after further thought, I realized that I was thinking too much, and that the answer was right in front of me. Moving on, can anyone point me to some good docs on setting up and running NIS? the handbook is a little less than complete on it. Laters all, Troy From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 03:51:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA21562 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA21554 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from damian@localhost) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA06470; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:48:33 GMT Message-Id: <199612301148.LAA06470@axe.cablenet.net> Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) To: matt@clintondale.com (Matt Hamilton) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:48:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "Damian Hamill" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org (FreeBSD ISP) In-Reply-To: from "Matt Hamilton" at Dec 29, 96 08:25:11 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Matt Hamilton wrote: > > I started to think about changing my plan and using some sort of unique > alphanumeric user id such as mh6225 or such. Perhaps using the first two > initials and then some sort of unique number (UID maybe?). And then just > putting hteir name in /etc/aliases to alias it to the logon ID. > > My fear is that this will confuse users too much and make the system a bit > impersonal. I would much rather my address be m.hamilton@clintondale.com > rather than mh6225@clintondale.com. OK, so I would still get mail > > devlivered to m.hamilton, but I think most users would still get confused. > I might want to also figure out a way so sendmail rewites the address as > mail is sent so that the from line says m.hamilton@clintondale.com instead > of mh6225. > > I am starting to confuse myself now and I am wondering whether this is all > worth it :) but I would be interested in hearing what other ISPs or mail > servers policy is. Escpecially those that are trying to target a business > audience. Our policy is to give customers a domain name so they would be mike@hamilton.clintondale.com. The domain name can obviously be anything they want and in the case of businesses is their business name. regards damian -- "There's plenty of rainforest" - A person selling Living Marxism at Edinburgh Festival. Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 09:10:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA05965 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (nobody@d1a24.uk.pi.net [194.73.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA05954 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) From: pumpkin@uk.pi.net Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00326; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:09:56 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:09:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Sender: scot@Zero-Cool.Hades.Org Reply-To: pumpkin@uk.pi.net To: "Troy W. Settle" cc: FreeBSD-isp mailing list Subject: Re: network configuration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Currently, the plan is to keep /home on prime, and use nfs to mount it on > radford. All 3 machines will need to be able to authenticate users, and 2 > of them will need to keep track of each user's $HOME > > What's the best way to go about doing this? I really don't think that > manually updating /etc/passwd is an option, as it would have to be done > after every time a user changes his password. How about Kerberos for the authentication stuff and spreading your home directories over the 3 machines and using AMD to auto-mount them onto your shell/web server when required? This is the sort of setup that is used by our department at college - students' homes are split over several file servers and access to various machines for shell accounts is controled by kerberos. > > There's lots of options, I'm wondering which offers the best security for > the convenience, and which is easiest to install. > > Also, how do I restrict shell access to just the one machine? > > > > Thanks in advanced for any info you can offer, > > Troy > > Scot. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Scot Elliott | Please note that any opinions | | MEng Computing IV. | expressed are mine, and not those | | Imperial College, London | of the department or college. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | e-mail: s.elliott@ic.ac.uk | IRC nick: PlumbrBoy | | pumpkin@uk.pi.net | "You are everything in my fridge" | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 09:12:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA06062 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from boris.clintondale.com (boris.clintondale.com [206.88.120.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA06057 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by boris.clintondale.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05020; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:12:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:12:25 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Hamilton To: Damian Hamill cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) In-Reply-To: <199612301148.LAA06470@axe.cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Damian Hamill wrote: > > Our policy is to give customers a domain name so they would be > mike@hamilton.clintondale.com. The domain name can obviously be > anything they want and in the case of businesses is their business name. Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. If so How do you set this up as regards to POP3 server? I have seen a server called vpop3d that is part of a Linux admin suite that allows seperate passwd files for each domain. I can't get it to compile under freebsd though. -Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Hamilton Clintondale Aviation matt@clintondale.com http://www.clintondale.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 09:43:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA07059 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07054 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25841; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: Matt Hamilton cc: Damian Hamill , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Matt Hamilton wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Damian Hamill wrote: > > > > > Our policy is to give customers a domain name so they would be > > mike@hamilton.clintondale.com. The domain name can obviously be > > anything they want and in the case of businesses is their business name. > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. > > If so How do you set this up as regards to POP3 server? I have seen a > server called vpop3d that is part of a Linux admin suite that allows > seperate passwd files for each domain. I can't get it to compile under > freebsd though. Ick. I'd handle this by redirecting matt@hamilton.clintondale.com email to matt.hamilton@clintondale.com with the virtual db sendmail functions. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 09:55:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA07600 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from boris.clintondale.com (boris.clintondale.com [206.88.120.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07595 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by boris.clintondale.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06389; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:55:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:55:08 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Hamilton To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Damian Hamill , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > Ick. I'd handle this by redirecting matt@hamilton.clintondale.com email > to matt.hamilton@clintondale.com with the virtual db sendmail functions. Aha. But... I am then back to my original problem. I can't have >8 char login names. And if I use sendmail db stuff I will still only be redirecting it to a login with < 8 chars so they will still have to be unique. If only there was a POP3d that would tie in with Sendmail's db features.... -Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Hamilton Clintondale Aviation matt@clintondale.com http://www.clintondale.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 10:01:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA08090 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA08082 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29847; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:05:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961230130108.00aadb70@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:01:11 -0500 To: "Jacob Suter" From: dennis Subject: Re: Bandwidth.. Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The 386 handled 7,500 hits/day (one of my users decided to put up a porn >site) for about a week without too much trouble. I'd never want to try to >make it do it again though :-) I think that <6 hits per minute is not a major task for any processor... surely you cant be implying that you need a pentium for that kind of volume? The problem here probably has more to do with your $9. ISA IDE controller than it does the '386 vs Pentium. A (slow) '486 with a PCI IDE controller not only has more processor power, but also much higher bus throughput to the disk. I dont think that anyone would recommend a '386 for anything nowadays (with '486-100s with on-board PCI IDE at about $100.)....I was talking much more about the '486 or 100Mhz Pentium vs the higher end stuff than obsoleted equipment like '386. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 11:42:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA13755 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA13744 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00542; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:45:30 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961230144128.00a96420@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:41:30 -0500 To: Blaine Minazzi From: dennis Subject: Re: Bandwidth.. Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:07 PM 12/30/96 -0700, you wrote: >dennis wrote: >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > snip >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> I dont think that anyone would recommend a '386 for anything nowadays >> (with '486-100s with on-board PCI IDE at about $100.)....I was talking >> much more about the '486 or 100Mhz Pentium vs the higher end >> stuff than obsoleted equipment like '386. >> >> Dennis > >I can think of a great use for 386 equipment. Find yourself a sharp >kid, who can't afford a 'puter. Give it to him/her. Invest a bit of >time with the basics, and watch them grow. Worth many times more >than the cost of the 'puter. I'll spend the extra $50. on the '486-100...he'll learn twice as fast! :-) Dennis > >As for a web server, a 486 133 can handle a fair amount of traffic, even >over a T1, without performance problems. If you are *really* on a >budget, this is a good starting point. By the time you need more CPU, >you can afford it. > I think that this is highly dependent on what you are doing. If you have a lot of piggish, poorly-written CGI scripts the requirements are much greater than if you are just putting up direct hit pages. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 12:00:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA14942 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from syzygy.zytek.com (syzygy.zytek.com [140.174.241.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA14927 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mccord@localhost) by syzygy.zytek.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA03741 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:49:56 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:49:56 -0800 From: Samara McCord Message-Id: <199612301949.LAA03741@syzygy.zytek.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Aha. But... I am then back to my original problem. I can't have >8 char >login names. And if I use sendmail db stuff I will still only be >redirecting it to a login with < 8 chars so they will still have to be >unique. > >If only there was a POP3d that would tie in with Sendmail's db >features.... > Matt, you alluded to this earlier, but one approach is have sendmail map either a "user@subdomain.domain" or a "full.name@domain" to an 8 character ugly name, e.g. xyz0001, and then have the POP users use this for POP retrieval only, not for return addresses. If you have no shell logins, this will work because most POP3 clients, in particular Eudora and Netscape, have a separate entry for POP user name and for Return Address. Can be confusing, but have decided to adopt this approach until something better comes along. Sam From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 12:07:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA15321 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from intrastar.net (root@intrastar.net [206.136.25.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA15316 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jakes@fixed.intrastar.net [206.136.25.69]) by intrastar.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22944; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:10:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199612302010.OAA22944@intrastar.net> From: "Jacob Suter" To: "dennis" Cc: Subject: Re: Bandwidth.. Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:09:27 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >The 386 handled 7,500 hits/day (one of my users decided to put up a porn > >site) for about a week without too much trouble. I'd never want to try to > >make it do it again though :-) > > I think that <6 hits per minute is not a major task for any processor... > surely you cant be implying that you need a pentium for that kind of volume? Oh geez no.. I put my current web server (AMD 5x86/133 w/ 32 megs ram) to the test.. 16,000 hits in 12 hours and it wasn't even really stressed. > The problem here probably has more to do with your $9. ISA IDE > controller than it does the '386 vs Pentium. A (slow) '486 with a PCI IDE > controller not only has more processor power, but also much higher > bus throughput to the disk. Yeah... When I put the 386 into web server duty I had already purchased a nice fast ISA IDE controller (I was using this machine as my workstation before). The 386 was a VAST improvement over the 486DX4-120 running NT that I was using before. The web pages were at least 3x faster to load off the 386 running FreeBSD and apache... I instantly fell in love with unix and within a month I had learned enough to dump NT completly (the real reason for the dumping of NT was NT decided that I (administrator) shouldn't log in - I told billy where to cram his operating system at that point) > I dont think that anyone would recommend a '386 for anything nowadays > (with '486-100s with on-board PCI IDE at about $100.)....I was talking > much more about the '486 or 100Mhz Pentium vs the higher end > stuff than obsoleted equipment like '386. Any kind of quality 486 system (even an SX/25) would work well for a web server on a 128K link pretty much no matter what kind of content (10-zillion little icons to 40 meg graphics), even on a pretty cheazy system ($9 hard drive controller). TTYL JS > Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 13:54:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA23449 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdisp@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA23423; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.4/8.8.3) id XAA00115; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:53:43 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199612302153.XAA00115@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: priorization? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:53:42 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk well... i already forgot if i did post about this here or not... so here it goes, i hope not again. i was wondering if it'd be somewhat easy to priorize the trafic from ethernet to ppp. i'm about to expand my home network and i really dont want to hand all bandwidth from ppp to ethernet usage. so, could i like hack the kernel so that it'd let ether use only 50% of the capacity? ethernet interface and ppp interface can be set to different ips even though i know it's "allowed" to use same for both. i have a 14 addresses space from my isp and am not yet using them all... if there's no other way, i'll keep ping -f:ing the ethernet, with some size of packets... but i really think that'd be ugly... =) posting this to isp list coz i would assume one of the isp's would have already thought/used this for something... so, if someone has, please kick me to the right direction, ok? thanx. happy new year people. =))) mickey -- mika ruohotie mika@aeon.net net/sys admin From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 14:00:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA23810 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA23730 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from i-gw.dalsys.com by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vepjG-0008vTC; Mon, 30 Dec 96 13:58 PST Received: (from smap@localhost) by i-gw.dalsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA20971; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:54:57 -0600 Received: from future.dsc.dalsys.com(199.170.161.3) by i-gw.dalsys.com via smap (V1.3) id sma020968; Mon Dec 30 15:54:50 1996 Received: by future.dsc.dalsys.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/8.6.12) id AA79148; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:00:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:00:59 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Stanford X-Sender: richards@future.dsc.dalsys.com To: Jacob Suter Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Bandwidth.. In-Reply-To: <199612302010.OAA22944@intrastar.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Jacob Suter wrote: > Oh geez no.. I put my current web server (AMD 5x86/133 w/ 32 megs ram) to > the test.. 16,000 hits in 12 hours and it wasn't even really stressed. Is this really a volume test? Sounds kinda low to me. We have a single user's home page that gets around 7,000 hits a day. > > I dont think that anyone would recommend a '386 for anything nowadays > > (with '486-100s with on-board PCI IDE at about $100.)....I was talking > > much more about the '486 or 100Mhz Pentium vs the higher end > > stuff than obsoleted equipment like '386. > Any kind of quality 486 system (even an SX/25) would work well for a web > server on a 128K link pretty much no matter what kind of content > (10-zillion little icons to 40 meg graphics), even on a pretty cheazy > system ($9 hard drive controller). Sure, a 128k link. But considering that P5-133s are, oh, around $200 these days, why not go for them? If you can afford (thinking US here) more than a 64K line, you should be able to get a comfortable webserver (P5, SCSI, et cetera). This is assuming you're reselling webspace (or giving it away w/ dialup accounts, something more than a personal webserver). Is it "needed"? Probably not, on a low-volume link. But it's a cheap comfort, IMO. Just think of it this way -- how many customers would you need to lose through irritation if there's a problem to pay for the hardware? Not /that/ many. The only trouble with things like IDE drives and $9 controllers on a production machine that I see is reliability. Speed is not the issue (not on a 128K link) but moving from a 2% chance per year to a 1% chance per year of failure is more than worth it (fictional numbers, but you get the idea). The point is to make your servers bulletproof and efficient, then you don't have to worry about them. Also, you should get in extra hardware for when they do (and they will) fail .. you can't prevent this, but you can minimize the number of times it happens. -Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 30 19:30:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA11517 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from intrastar.net (root@intrastar.net [206.136.25.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA11510 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jakes@fixed.intrastar.net [206.136.25.69]) by intrastar.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24950; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:33:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199612310333.VAA24950@intrastar.net> From: "Jacob Suter" To: "Richard Stanford" Cc: "FreeBSD ISP List" Subject: Re: Bandwidth.. Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:37:22 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Oh geez no.. I put my current web server (AMD 5x86/133 w/ 32 megs ram) to > > the test.. 16,000 hits in 12 hours and it wasn't even really stressed. > > Is this really a volume test? Sounds kinda low to me. We have a single user's > home page that gets around 7,000 hits a day. Well, I didn't want to kill the box doing my tests... I was down to 85% at times, which IMHO is when a system starts "breaking down" and starts having response time problems. > > > I dont think that anyone would recommend a '386 for anything nowadays > > > (with '486-100s with on-board PCI IDE at about $100.)....I was talking > > > much more about the '486 or 100Mhz Pentium vs the higher end > > > stuff than obsoleted equipment like '386. > > > Any kind of quality 486 system (even an SX/25) would work well for a web > > server on a 128K link pretty much no matter what kind of content > > (10-zillion little icons to 40 meg graphics), even on a pretty cheazy > > system ($9 hard drive controller). > > Sure, a 128k link. But considering that P5-133s are, oh, around $200 these > days, why not go for them? If you can afford (thinking US here) more than a > 64K line, you should be able to get a comfortable webserver (P5, SCSI, et > cetera). This is assuming you're reselling webspace (or giving it away w/ > dialup accounts, something more than a personal webserver). Well, yeah... if you like Intel stuff it'd be pretty decent. I've found IDE is fine if you buy quality IDE products, and pack enough memory for the job. > Is it "needed"? Probably not, on a low-volume link. But it's a cheap comfort, > IMO. Just think of it this way -- how many customers would you need to lose > through irritation if there's a problem to pay for the hardware? Not /that/ > many. oh well of course, you HAVE to have backups and reliable hardware. > The only trouble with things like IDE drives and $9 controllers on a production > machine that I see is reliability. Speed is not the issue (not on a 128K link) > but moving from a 2% chance per year to a 1% chance per year of failure is more > than worth it (fictional numbers, but you get the idea). The point is to make > your servers bulletproof and efficient, then you don't have to worry about them. So far IDE has treated me well. I'm planning on moving my main server off of IDE soon, but thats in a few months. > Also, you should get in extra hardware for when they do (and they will) fail .. > you can't prevent this, but you can minimize the number of times it happens. Well, of course. I'd love to afford full basically drop-in-and-go backups for the servers, but I have too much stuff I need other than that online and live to afford to do that... When stuff breaks my 6x86 replaces whatever goes down, and whatever services died in the process are back online with an hour or so... Hey, customers can't complain - whens the last time their telephone was fixed in one hour? I can't get a T1 fixed that fast. JS From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 05:59:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA29137 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 05:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA29131 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 05:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nadt.org.uk by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id NAA23589; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:42:28 GMT Received: from infodev (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08171; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:07:23 GMT Posted-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:07:23 GMT Message-Id: <199612311307.NAA08171@charlie.nadt.org.uk> X-Website: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~nadt X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:07:20 +0000 To: Matt Hamilton From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:55 30/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >Aha. But... I am then back to my original problem. I can't have >8 char >login names. Surely this is all a little too complicated? Couldn't you just alias from "Joe.Bloggs" to joeblo on the final delivery host? That way you also hide your user account names... Just a thought :) -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~nadt/ -------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 07:45:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA03628 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 07:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA03619 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 07:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from damian@localhost) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA09673; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:42:48 GMT Message-Id: <199612311542.PAA09673@axe.cablenet.net> Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) To: matt@clintondale.com (Matt Hamilton) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:42:48 +0000 (GMT) From: "Damian Hamill" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org (FreeBSD ISP) In-Reply-To: from "Matt Hamilton" at Dec 30, 96 12:12:25 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Matt Hamilton wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Damian Hamill wrote: > > > > > Our policy is to give customers a domain name so they would be > > mike@hamilton.clintondale.com. The domain name can obviously be > > anything they want and in the case of businesses is their business name. > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. > > If so How do you set this up as regards to POP3 server? I have seen a > server called vpop3d that is part of a Linux admin suite that allows > seperate passwd files for each domain. I can't get it to compile under > freebsd though. > We deliver email via SMTP (with dynamic IP) so it's just a bit of MX record twiddling to do this. regards damian -- "There's plenty of rainforest" - A person selling Living Marxism at Edinburgh Festival. Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 08:41:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA06128 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.dlc.fi (pegasus.dlc.fi [194.251.35.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA06122 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from raccoon@localhost) by pegasus.dlc.fi (8.8.4/8.7.3) id SAA01299 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:41:23 +0200 (EET) From: "Antti Rytsola" Message-Id: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:41:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Damian Hamill" "Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.)" (Dec 31, 3:42pm) References: <199612311542.PAA09673@axe.cablenet.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org (FreeBSD ISP) Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 08:52:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA06593 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA06587 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18412; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:52:51 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 17:52:50 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 09:06:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA07155 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07150 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18869; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:07:12 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:07:11 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 09:19:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA07864 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07856 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA19064; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:20:29 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:20:29 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 09:39:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA08844 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA08834 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA19393; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:40:04 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:40:03 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 09:51:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA09776 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA09769 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA19601; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:52:02 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:52:01 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 10:07:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA10724 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA10716 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20091; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:08:14 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:08:13 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 10:19:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA11312 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA11302 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20255; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:18:32 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:18:32 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 10:31:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA12142 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA12136 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20444; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:32:08 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:32:07 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 10:45:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA13135 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA13130 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20765; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:46:03 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:46:01 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 10:58:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA14015 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net (news.toplink.net [194.163.120.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA14010 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20996; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:58:21 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Path: mail2news From: raccoon@pegasus.dlc.fi (Antti Rytsola) Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:58:18 +0100 Organization: TopLink mail2news gateway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have sales@domain sales@virt.domain1 sales@virt.domain2 and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 11:55:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA18005 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from toplink1.toplink.net (toplink1.toplink.net [194.163.120.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA17979; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ck@localhost) by toplink1.toplink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA25226; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:52:52 +0100 From: Christian Kratzer Message-Id: <199612311952.UAA25226@toplink1.toplink.net> Subject: dupes in the list To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:52:52 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, sorry for the duplicates that just appeared in the lists. I screwed up our mail2news gateway. I'm tailing the news server maillog and will stop the thing if it sends out any further dupes ;( Sorry ;( Christian -- TopLink GbR, Internet Services info@toplink.net Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.net/ Phone: +49 7452 885-0 Fax: +49 7452 885-199 FreeBSD spoken here! From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 12:09:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA19028 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from obiwan.TerraNova.net (obiwan.TerraNova.net [205.152.26.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA19021 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from togs.puter.at.TerraNova.net (coolholio@togs.puter.at.TerraNova.net [205.152.26.130]) by obiwan.TerraNova.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA27146; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:10:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32C972D8.64A1@terranova.net> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:08:56 -0500 From: Travis Mikalson Reply-To: bofh@obiwan.terranova.net Organization: TerraNovaNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antti Rytsola CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) References: <9612311841.ZM1297@pegasus.dlc.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Antti Rytsola wrote: > > > > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. > > > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. > > There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and > mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and > separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have > sales@domain > sales@virt.domain1 > sales@virt.domain2 > and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. Would you PLEASE kindly stop sending this over and over again? Travis -- -=--==--===---====----======------=======------- TerraNovaNet Internet Services - Key Largo, FL Voice: (305)453-4011 Fax: (305)451-5991 http://www.TerraNova.net -------=======------======----====---===--==--=- There's more than one way to skin a cat: Way number 15 -- Krazy Glue and a toothbrush. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 12:29:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA19859 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from syzygy.zytek.com (syzygy.zytek.com [140.174.241.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA19853 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mccord@localhost) by syzygy.zytek.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA08525 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:29:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:29:14 -0800 From: Samara McCord Message-Id: <199612312029.MAA08525@syzygy.zytek.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > Can you then have the same username in different domains? ie. >> > matt@hamilton.clintondale.com and matt@james.clintondale.com. > > There's really only one good way to do it. That's by using procmail and >mailertables in sendmail. No fizzling, just put the domain in mailertables and >separate configuration file for each domain. After that one can have >sales@domain >sales@virt.domain1 >sales@virt.domain2 >and e.g. all others in virt.domain2 forwarded to bill@virt.domain2. > I think this still misses the main point. Sure it's no problem to use sendmail, etc. to convert any old name you want into unique *8 character* names, but then the question is: HOW IS MAIL RETRIEVED?. Most people are willing to accept 8-character usernames for email, but here is the problem: we have a dozen separate domains from separate companies all on the same machine with the same POP server and the same password file. How do I explain to company A that the user name: "joeblow" is not available because company B has already used it? Only by making the POP user name (and hence the /etc/password name) so ugly that they don't confuse it with an email address (and in fact, not useable as an email address), and then training them to use POP user names as strictly internal and then we can map whatever domain-specific email name (i.e. return address) they want into that 8-character ugly name. Sam From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 13:06:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA21394 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA21389 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24318 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:23:51 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01242 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:02:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) In-Reply-To: <199612312029.MAA08525@syzygy.zytek.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Samara McCord wrote: > not available because company B has already used it? Only by making > the POP user name (and hence the /etc/password name) so ugly that they > don't confuse it with an email address (and in fact, not useable as an > email address), and then training them to use POP user names as strictly > internal and then we can map whatever domain-specific email name (i.e. > return address) they want into that 8-character ugly name. Rather than calling it an ugly name, call it an Account ID and give customers a configuration form that clearly distinguishes the Account ID from the email address. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 13:10:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA21502 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA21469 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from i-gw.dalsys.com (dalsys.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA28491 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:09:58 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by i-gw.dalsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA07480; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:07:10 -0600 Received: from future.dsc.dalsys.com(199.170.161.3) by i-gw.dalsys.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007478; Tue Dec 31 15:07:03 1996 Received: by future.dsc.dalsys.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/8.6.12) id AA129065; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:13:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:13:13 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Stanford X-Sender: richards@future.dsc.dalsys.com To: Samara McCord Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) In-Reply-To: <199612312029.MAA08525@syzygy.zytek.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Samara McCord wrote: > How do I explain to company A that the user name: "joeblow" is > not available because company B has already used it? Only by making > the POP user name (and hence the /etc/password name) so ugly that they > don't confuse it with an email address (and in fact, not useable as an > email address), and then training them to use POP user names as strictly > internal and then we can map whatever domain-specific email name (i.e. > return address) they want into that 8-character ugly name. Sell it as a security feature. Point out that you allow, say, 25 character mail names and web addresses (for non-virtualhost customers) and alias them. Then tell them that their login name to your servers is ________ (or let them pick one) for security reasons to protect their account. And if they want it to be the same as their <9 character mail/web name -- let them. If it's available. -Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 13:39:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA23244 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA23239 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.toplink.net by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA05129 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:39:54 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by news.toplink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23952; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 22:35:19 +0100 (MET) From: News Subsystem Message-Id: <199612312135.WAA23952@news.toplink.net> Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) To: richards@herald.net (Richard Stanford) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 22:35:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Richard Stanford at "Dec 31, 96 03:13:13 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi > On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Samara McCord wrote: > > > How do I explain to company A that the user name: "joeblow" is > > not available because company B has already used it? Only by making > > the POP user name (and hence the /etc/password name) so ugly that they > > don't confuse it with an email address (and in fact, not useable as an > > email address), and then training them to use POP user names as strictly > > internal and then we can map whatever domain-specific email name (i.e. > > return address) they want into that 8-character ugly name. > > Sell it as a security feature. Point out that you allow, say, 25 character > mail names and web addresses (for non-virtualhost customers) and alias them. > > Then tell them that their login name to your servers is ________ (or let them > pick one) for security reasons to protect their account. And if they want > it to be the same as their <9 character mail/web name -- let them. If it's > available. We call the pop accounts customername01 -- customername99 where customername is a 6 character thingy WE make up from whatever they call themselves. We use a sendmail hack from somewhere off the net works with a db file of email addresses to accounts. We call it /etc/maildomains for lack of a better name ;) ## ## customer a ## info@customera.com custa1 webmaster@customera.com custa1 bla@customera.com custa2 foo@customera.com custa3 customera.org nonexistent ## ## customer b ## info@customerb.org custb1 webmaster@customerb.org custb1 bla@customerb.org custb2 foo@customerb.org custb3 customerb.org nonexistent The nonexistent bounces unlisted email addresses. /etc/maildomains gets converted to a db file using this; ck@toplink1: {44} cat /usr/local/sbin/make.maildomains #!/bin/sh cd /etc if [ -f /etc/maildomains ]; then makemap -v hash /etc/maildomains.db < /etc/maildomains else echo "file missing: /etc/maildomains" fi This is our sendmail.mc file include(`../m4/cf.m4') VERSIONID(`@(#)toplink1.mc 1.1') OSTYPE(bsd4.4)dnl MAILER(local)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl MAILER(uucp)dnl FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl FEATURE(mailertable)dnl LOCAL_CONFIG Kmaildomains hash /etc/maildomains.db LOCAL_RULE_0 R$+ < @ $+ . > $: $1 < @ $2 > . R$+ < @ $+ > $* $: $(maildomains $1@$2 $: $1 < @ $2 > $3 $) R$+ < @ $+ > $* $: $(maildomains $2 $: $1 < @ $2 > $3 $) R$+ < @ $+ > . $: $1 < @ $2 . > You don't have to put the domains into the w class. Greetings Christian -- TopLink GbR, Internet Services news@toplink.net Usenet News Administration Phone: +49 7452 885-0 Fax: +49 7452 885-199 FreeBSD spoken here! From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 13:59:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA24080 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA24071 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA27078 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA03376; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 08:58:06 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 08:58:05 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Samara McCord cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Usernames (was Sendmail, POP3 & RADIUS, etc.) In-Reply-To: <199612312029.MAA08525@syzygy.zytek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Samara McCord wrote: > sendmail, etc. to convert any old name you want into unique *8 character* > names, but then the question is: HOW IS MAIL RETRIEVED?. Most people > are willing to accept 8-character usernames for email, but here is the > problem: we have a dozen separate domains from separate companies all > on the same machine with the same POP server and the same password Use IP aliasing, and xinetd or Julian's (Assange or Elischer, I can't remember) fancy inetd to run a separate 'popd' in a separate chroot(2)ed subsystem with separate password file for each domain. Or hack popper to do the getsockname() call and use a database of names/passwords per IP address. You can use procmail to do the mail delivery to separate /var/mail/IP/ directories for each virtual domain. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 31 15:04:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA29224 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from eternal.dusk.net (root@eternal.dusk.net [207.219.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA29219 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from expert@localhost) by eternal.dusk.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA01735 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:02:16 -0400 (AST) From: Christian Hochhold Message-Id: <199612312302.TAA01735@eternal.dusk.net> Subject: 199..... To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:02:16 -0400 (AST) X-URL: http://www.dusk.net & http://www.vampires.net X-Moto: Live for today and let the future take care of itself X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Happy New Year to all on this list! May 1997 be (even more) prosperous than 1996 was =) Christian -- Christian Hochhold | Dusk.net Internet Services christian@dusk.net | http://www.dusk.net ================================================ Dusk.net Internet - "By the user, for the user"