From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 10 04:05:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA21083 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA21067 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA13369; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:05:17 -0800 (PST) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: jkh@freefall.freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), CVS-committers@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-all@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-sys@freefall.freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa isa.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:29:36 +0100." <199603101029.LAA01062@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: <13367.826459516@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ick. Instead of fixing the problems, simply don't report the > symptoms? Not surprisingly, I thought the same thing for awhile before deciding to commit this change. My final rationale was that this problem had persisted for several months, was *not* very informational in nature (the sound code works, it just gripes like this) and if nobody was going to fix it soon then I might as well shut the silly thing up. Don't worry, however, as the committer of this change I've got the problem still very much in mind and will not forget about it. Sujal has already suggested a fix, which I've fwd'd to the multimedia group, and if nothing else my committing this "fix" seems to have finally stimulated some response to the problem.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 10 12:17:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17016 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17011 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA12857; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:11:31 +1100 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:11:31 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603102011.HAA12857@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa isa.c Cc: CVS-committers@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-all@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-sys@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Ick. Instead of fixing the problems, simply don't report the >> symptoms? >Not surprisingly, I thought the same thing for awhile before deciding >to commit this change. My final rationale was that this problem had >persisted for several months, was *not* very informational in nature >(the sound code works, it just gripes like this) and if nobody was >going to fix it soon then I might as well shut the silly thing up. The message also reports problems with floppy DMA. isa_dmadone() isn't called when a command is aborted. This problem has persisted for several years. Perhaps the messages should be more annoying so that things get fixed faster. Bruce From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 10 12:51:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA18573 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from kanto.cc.jyu.fi (root@kanto.cc.jyu.fi [130.234.1.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18568 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kallio@localhost) by kanto.cc.jyu.fi (8.7.2/8.7.2) id TAA12928; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:27:01 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:27:01 +0200 (EET) From: Seppo Kallio To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: "Danny J. Mitzel" , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: does anyone get ``good'' audio quality with VAT and SoundBlaster? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have SB AWE and the sound is good at first but then it starts this constant plobplobplob. If I swith liste off and talk on and talk off and listen on then it plays Ok for a while and starts again. I think some buffer fills and sound driver is doing something not so good. Maybe cutting part of buffer out and trying to catch time up ??? Seppo On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Doug White wrote: > On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Danny J. Mitzel wrote: > > > I spent a bit of time setting up a local FreeBSD machine this week to > > try and tune into the IETF broadcasts, but have been very disappointed > > with the audio quality. I expected a lot of ``popping'' which I've read > > others complaining about with VAT and SoundBlaster, but there were many > > long periods of time where audio was too garbled to distinguish. > > That is the SB. I have an SB AWE32 and it does the same thing. > Apparently the SB can't hold up a constant sample rate, and it fluctuates > too wildly for vat to keep up. If it gets too nasty, try opening the vat > menu or doing something to stop the audio stream briefly; that seems to > reset it and it should sound OK for a bit. > > What's the status on the new SB driver? > > And does anyone think that a GUS could coexist with my AWE32? I like my > AWE so much I don't want to give it up, but I want vat to sound halfway > decent. > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 11 10:11:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA29941 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29935 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA25758; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:12:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:12:05 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Seppo Kallio cc: "Danny J. Mitzel" , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: does anyone get ``good'' audio quality with VAT and SoundBlaster? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Seppo Kallio wrote: > I have SB AWE and the sound is good at first but then it starts this > constant plobplobplob. If I swith liste off and talk on and talk off and > listen on then it plays Ok for a while and starts again. > > I think some buffer fills and sound driver is doing something not so > good. Maybe cutting part of buffer out and trying to catch time up ??? >From what Iunderstand, it's the SB. Good drivers may be able to circumvent this problem, perhaps a buffer that feeds the data to the SB at it's own pace and provides a "fake" clock to vat? (This is total hypothesis, I am no device programmer) > > > I spent a bit of time setting up a local FreeBSD machine this week to > > > try and tune into the IETF broadcasts, but have been very disappointed > > > with the audio quality. I expected a lot of ``popping'' which I've read > > > others complaining about with VAT and SoundBlaster, but there were many > > > long periods of time where audio was too garbled to distinguish. > > > > That is the SB. I have an SB AWE32 and it does the same thing. > > Apparently the SB can't hold up a constant sample rate, and it fluctuates > > too wildly for vat to keep up. If it gets too nasty, try opening the vat > > menu or doing something to stop the audio stream briefly; that seems to > > reset it and it should sound OK for a bit. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 11 10:23:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA01090 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01081 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA25854; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:25:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Gong Wei cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to use TCL to automate sd session? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've redirected this into multimedia@freebsd.org, which is the more appropriate forum for this. On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Gong Wei wrote: > The problem is releated to sd(session directory? for MBone). We want to > implement an easy way for users to create a new session. They can > fill-in a form on WEB, tell us the desired time and media(video/audio), > then the underlying script will call sd up, at the appropriate time, and > more importantly, with the appropriate parameters, like the > starting/ending time, title, description, etc. OK, let me get this straight: you want to put a form up that allows ANYONE to start an MBDONE-advertised session, WITHOUT running sd? This is realy odd, because the person running the session needs to be on the channel, otherwise it's perfectly pointless. > So we are wondering is it possible to write this script in > tcl/tk/expect? We really appreciate any info/help, as well as any book > tips. The thing is, there's no reason to. Whoever is starting the session needs to be MBONE-capable, and then they can just run sd themselves. > Just one more thing, personally I still think FreeBSD is slower than > linux, on some aspects. But overall I consider FreeBSD better, much > better if the machine is not standalone. Oh, please ignore this if you > don't like 8-) That is flamebait, pure and simple. ttyl... Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 13 13:41:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA27322 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27317 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA00778 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:40:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199603132140.NAA00778@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: how to mpeg documentation? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:40:20 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gosh, is so quiet around here I hate to disrupt you guys 8) Has anyone put together a short document on how to encode audio or video mpeg files on FreeBSD? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 06:26:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA08989 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08984 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA15302; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:23:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:23:18 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199603141423.IAA15302@plains.nodak.edu> To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: how to mpeg documentation? Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Gosh, is so quiet around here I hate to disrupt you guys 8) :) > Has anyone put together a short document on how to encode audio or video > mpeg files on FreeBSD? I see there is a package: ftp://ftp.berkeley.edu/ucb/graphics/mm/mpeg_encode-1.5b-patched-src.tar.gz I will play with and put it into the web page. now back to our regularly scheduled silence, already in progress.... --mark. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 06:42:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA09800 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09794 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com ([205.138.147.242]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA02365 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:42:05 -0800 Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA27812 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:23:38 -0600 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com(204.124.120.10) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma027810; Thu Mar 14 08:23:22 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA28303; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:03:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA06252; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:15:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199603141415.IAA06252@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how to mpeg documentation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:40:20 PST." <199603132140.NAA00778@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:15:44 -0600 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Amancio Hasty Jr." writes: > >Gosh, is so quiet around here I hate to disrupt you guys 8) > > >Has anyone put together a short document on how to encode audio or video >mpeg files on FreeBSD? audio no, I'd like to figger it out though. I've got a windows program that does wav to mpg, and I found an au to mpg that doesn't work for sour owl sh*; it may be pilot error though. video yes! My big problem here is a) transferring gobbs of frames from the macintoy people that have frame grabbers, and/or b) convincing my boss that I really need a matrox. I just grabbed the latest mpeg_encode from ucb, compiled and ran. it's pretty trivial, they've got several sample parameter files, that you can hack from. as for cool mpeg utilities- have a look-see at http://www.visiblelight.com/mpeg/resource/software/source/un ix.htp `mpeg_edit' kind of works. It's supposed to let you do `fade to black', `screen wipes', and what not, but its got some problems. Someone that knows C++ really needs to look at it. mpeg_encode works fine. most of the other utilities that I tried compiled and ran. eric. > > Tnks, > Amancio > -- erich@lodgenet.com erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 10:54:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25047 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25036 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA25197 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:50:01 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199603141850.TAA25197@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: mpeg and related stuff To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:50:01 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Some info on the current status of video-related stuff, in case someone is interested. METEOR ------ Jim Lowe released version 1.0.10 of the driver about 10 days ago. Among other enhancements, it fixes the problem with VCR input when used with "nv" or "vic". For those interested in fixing previous drivers, the problem was caused by a missing tilde: case METEORSTATUS: /* get 7196 status */ temp = 0; SAA7196_WRITE(mtr, 0x0d, SAA7196_REG(mtr, 0x0d) | 0x02); SAA7196_READ(mtr); temp |= ((*((volatile u_long *)mtr->stat_reg)) & 0xff000000L) >> 24; SAA7196_WRITE(mtr, 0x0d, SAA7196_REG(mtr, 0x0d) & ~0x02); ^ | ---- this one was missing -----------------------------------+ SAA7196_READ(mtr); I guess it took quite some time to figure it out! Unfortunately, version 1.0.10 has a bug (at least for me, in PAL mode) in that single-field operation is not working anymore (you always get both fields). I spent almost a couple of hours looking at the sources and diffs with previous versions without coming up with a solution. So, at the moment I am running 1.0.9 I have discussed with Jim about the possibility of adding a timecode next to each frame, so that it's easier to do some post-processing of the data in case they are dumped to disk or whatever. Hopefully this will be present in the next releases. TV program ---------- Don't know if there is a "current" version of the program, as I did not use it for a month or so. I did some changes to my own version and I can now save full sequences to disk, or get input from a file instead of the meteor board. The first option is useful both for producing input data for subsequent compression, or, together with the second option, to build a disk-based VCR. With my IDE disk running at over 5MB/s, I can almost save live video to disk. The code needs to be cleaned up a little bit, but apart from this it is mostly working. I believe "tv" ought to become part of the standard releases of FreeBSD. ----- Berkeley Multimedia Tools (bmt1r2.tar.gz) -------- MPEG_ENCODE ----------- I succeeded in compiling the mpeg_encode stuff from berkeley. It compiles pretty much out of the box. In order to do mpeg compression on sequences captured on the "meteor", I had to build a converter from rgb15 to the YUV4:1:1 format. Other than that, it works reasonably well. When time-codes will be supported, it will also become possible to set the frame-rate in a more controlled way. MPEG_PLAY --------- This one requires some fixes to work with different screen depths (15 bit, as an example), similarly to what was done with the mpeg_play in -ports. This would be really usefuf, as the newer mpeg_play has more options and gives you more control over the output. AVI ETC. ------- So far I have not found any compression tool Xanim works for playing the files. XANIM ----- While Xanim can play most of current video formats, I suspect it can only play I-frames, and simply discards B- and P- frames, so that the output looks more like a slide show than a real movie (as with mpeg_play). Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 11:40:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA27038 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27033 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA06607 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:40:33 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA00832 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:38:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199603141938.LAA00832@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Oh, no tv again :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:38:30 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Luigi Rizzo said: > I believe "tv" ought to become part of the standard releases of > FreeBSD. Cool! I have a version of tv which does PCI-TO-PCI it needs a bit of work so it can work with the shared memory version. The amount of work is minor if anyone is interested just drop me an e-mail. Oh, this stuff does not work with the XInside server because I use XFree86's DGA extensions to grab the framebuffer. At any rate, tv PCI-TO-PCI is awesome to watch at 640x480x32 at 30fps 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 15:57:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11850 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11845 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA11207 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:57:06 -1000 Received: (from root@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) id NAA01656 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:57:07 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199603142357.NAA01656@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: mrouted blues To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:57:06 -1000 (HST) From: "David Langford" From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to do a multicast tunnel through a PPP link using mrouted on an SGI on one end and FreeBSD on the other. The problem is that mrouted in its infinite wisdom wont let me set up a tunnel to a machine that it thinks is on the same subnet. It tells me it in unnecassary and then bombs when it discovers that there are no more interfaces it can use. Is there any way to thwart this? Thanks. David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 19:06:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA23460 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23451 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA02742; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:03:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199603150303.TAA02742@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "David Langford" , "David Langford" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mrouted blues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:57:06 -1000." <199603142357.NAA01656@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:03:42 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you are on the same subnet you don't need mrouted. Amancio >>> "David Langford" said:, >>> "David Langford" said: > > I am trying to do a multicast tunnel through a PPP link using > mrouted on an SGI on one end and FreeBSD on the other. > > The problem is that mrouted in its infinite wisdom wont let me > set up a tunnel to a machine that it thinks is on the same subnet. > It tells me it in unnecassary and then bombs when it discovers that > there are no more interfaces it can use. > > Is there any way to thwart this? > > Thanks. > > David Langford > langfod@dihelix.com > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 19:47:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26041 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26035 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Thu, 14 Mar 96 22:47:37 -0500 Received: from compound (fergus-31.dialup.cfa.org) by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Thu, 14 Mar 96 22:47:32 EST Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound (8.6.12/8.6.112) id VAA08732; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:47:34 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:47:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199603150347.VAA08732@compound> From: Tony Kimball To: multimedia@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603142357.NAA01656@caliban.dihelix.com> (root@dihelix.com) Subject: SB16 full duplex Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible to operate the SB16 full-duplex with the current driver? If so, how? If not, does anyone know of work to add full-duplex support? From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 20:58:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA29496 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29484 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA04003; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:56:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199603150456.UAA04003@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Tony Kimball cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SB16 full duplex In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:47:34 CST." <199603150347.VAA08732@compound> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:56:54 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Get a GUS PnP and add memory or get a GUS PnP with 512kb. The SB cards are not really engineered for audio conferencing at least not full-duplex. You can probably do audio conferencing with them but not so well in full duplex mode. Cheers, Amancio >>> Tony Kimball said: > > Is it possible to operate the SB16 full-duplex with the current > driver? If so, how? If not, does anyone know of work to add > full-duplex support? From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 20:58:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA29530 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29523 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18972; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:58:22 -1000 Received: (from root@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) id SAA02185; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:58:23 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199603150458.SAA02185@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: mrouted blues To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:58:23 -1000 (HST) From: "David Langford" Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603150303.TAA02742@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Mar 14, 96 07:03:42 pm From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As I said though, I am going over a PPP link. Since multicast doesnt go over PPP I need a tunnel. If you can come up with another solution I am all hears. >If you are on the same subnet you don't need mrouted. > > Amancio > >>>> "David Langford" said:, >>>> "David Langford" said: > > > > I am trying to do a multicast tunnel through a PPP link using > > mrouted on an SGI on one end and FreeBSD on the other. > > > > The problem is that mrouted in its infinite wisdom wont let me > > set up a tunnel to a machine that it thinks is on the same subnet. > > It tells me it in unnecassary and then bombs when it discovers that > > there are no more interfaces it can use. > > > > Is there any way to thwart this? > > > > Thanks. > > > > David Langford > > langfod@dihelix.com > > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 21:12:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA00589 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00584 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA04095; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:11:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199603150511.VAA04095@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "David Langford" , "David Langford" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mrouted blues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:58:23 -1000." <199603150458.SAA02185@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:11:17 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, if PPP can't handle ip multicast I suggest that we request the OS group to support ip multicast on our PPP interface. >From if_ppp.c: pppattach() { register struct ppp_softc *sc; register int i = 0; linesw[PPPDISC] = pppdisc; for (sc = ppp_softc; i < NPPP; sc++) { sc->sc_if.if_name = "ppp"; sc->sc_if.if_unit = i++; sc->sc_if.if_mtu = PPP_MTU; sc->sc_if.if_flags = IFF_POINTOPOINT | IFF_MULTICAST; ^^^^^^^^^ Now if the ip multicast does not work with PPP then I suggest either debugging the problem or post the problem on the -hackers list. Regards, Amancio Cheers, Amancio >>> "David Langford" said:, >>> "David Langford" said: > As I said though, I am going over a PPP link. Since multicast > doesnt go over PPP I need a tunnel. If you can come up with > another solution I am all hears. > > >If you are on the same subnet you don't need mrouted. > > > > Amancio > > > >>>> "David Langford" said:, > >>>> "David Langford" said: > > > > > > I am trying to do a multicast tunnel through a PPP link using > > > mrouted on an SGI on one end and FreeBSD on the other. > > > > > > The problem is that mrouted in its infinite wisdom wont let me > > > set up a tunnel to a machine that it thinks is on the same subnet. > > > It tells me it in unnecassary and then bombs when it discovers that > > > there are no more interfaces it can use. > > > > > > Is there any way to thwart this? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > David Langford > > > langfod@dihelix.com > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 14 23:14:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA09913 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09903 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <21406-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:13:28 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id RAA08405; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:13:24 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id HAA24780; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:16:19 GMT Message-Id: <199603150716.HAA24780@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Tony Kimball cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SB16 full duplex In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:47:34 CST." <199603150347.VAA08732@compound> X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:16:18 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is it possible to operate the SB16 full-duplex with the current > driver? If so, how? If not, does anyone know of work to add > full-duplex support? Not currently. I do have some DOS code to do it. Hannu (VOXware author) is investigating this. Stephen -- I do not speak for the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland - They don't pay me enough for that! From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 15 06:55:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA03041 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03036 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA06588; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:55:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:55:23 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199603151455.IAA06588@plains.nodak.edu> To: langfod@dihelix.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, root@dihelix.com Subject: Re: mrouted blues Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am trying to do a multicast tunnel through a PPP link using > mrouted on an SGI on one end and FreeBSD on the other. > > The problem is that mrouted in its infinite wisdom wont let me > set up a tunnel to a machine that it thinks is on the same subnet. > It tells me it in unnecassary and then bombs when it discovers that > there are no more interfaces it can use. > > Is there any way to thwart this? change your PPP interface IP or the other interface's netmask to make two networks. if the SGI and the FreeBSD are pretty much permanently connected to each other, maybe you could exchange the PPP IP numbers. The Multicast router assumes since you put the IP/netmask in the same network, it must be a redundant link to the same place and it purposely does not setup the virtual interface. your SGI's mulitcast code should give the same complaint. --mark. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 15 10:37:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18184 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18176 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA01570; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:35:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199603151835.KAA01570@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Stephen Hocking cc: Tony Kimball , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SB16 full duplex In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:16:18 +1000." <199603150716.HAA24780@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:35:38 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Stephen Hocking said: > > > > Is it possible to operate the SB16 full-duplex with the current > > driver? If so, how? If not, does anyone know of work to add > > full-duplex support? > > Not currently. I do have some DOS code to do it. Hannu (VOXware author) is > investigating this. > The verdict is still out on whether or not the SB16 can keep the clock synchronized while in full duplex mode. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 15 12:31:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28264 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28255 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14984(13)>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:30:17 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:30:08 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: "David Langford" , "David Langford" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mrouted blues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:58:23 PST." <199603150458.SAA02185@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:30:02 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Mar15.123008pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Any idea why your message had two different "From:" headers?] In message <199603150458.SAA02185@caliban.dihelix.com>you write: >As I said though, I am going over a PPP link. Since multicast >doesnt go over PPP I need a tunnel. If you can come up with >another solution I am all hears. We need more information -- what are the addresses on each end of the PPP line? What subnets? Multicast goes over PPP just fine if you give the PPP line its own subnet, no tunnel needed. Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 15 12:40:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA29099 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29094 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14549(11)>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:39:57 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:39:43 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mark Tinguely , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Seeking advice on mrouted configuration.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:21:53 PST." <2917.825535313@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:39:36 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Mar15.123943pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <2917.825535313@time.cdrom.com>you write: >> if mrouted thinks the ed0 and sl0 are on the same network because >> of overlaping netmasks, it will not forward to sl0. > >Any chance of perhaps adding an option to *force* it to do so anyway? :-) I know this is way late, but better late than never [perhaps]... I have thought about this kind of option, but there is slightly more to it than it first appears, mostly because there is no good way to determine which interface a packet came in on from user-land other than examining the IP source address... if you have overlapping subnets then you have to sort them into longest-match order. This is also why mrouted won't let you create a tunnel between two systems that appear to be on the same subnet -- because it won't have any way to know if a packet came in on the tunnel or on the subnet, since it doesn't necessarily have the right info. Perhaps part of the answer is to have an option to treat POINTTOPOINT interfaces as special transit interfaces. Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 15 12:43:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA29172 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29165 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14412(5)>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:42:37 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:42:32 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Seeking advice on mrouted configuration.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:00:27 PST." <3508.825541227@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:42:23 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Mar15.124232pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <3508.825541227@time.cdrom.com>you write: >Yes, both pairs are in the same subnets, but that should be OK from a >unicast point of view so why mandate special twisty semantics for >multicast when you don't have to? Is it really so hard to make >mrouted respect this scenario? Rather, "people noticed a long time ago that unicast doesn't break when you break the Internet architecture in this way, so it became accepted practice, so why does mrouted break?" -- well, because you broke the Internet architecture. I'm not saying that I'm not working on "fixing" such things, I'm just saying that it's more complex an issue [in fact, a fundamental architectural issue] than most people realize. Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 15 13:15:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA01271 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01255 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA12632; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:15:26 -1000 Received: (from root@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) id LAA01234; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:15:26 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199603152115.LAA01234@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: mrouted blues To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:15:26 -1000 (HST) From: "David Langford" Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <96Mar15.123008pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from "Bill Fenner" at Mar 15, 96 12:30:02 pm From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bill Fenner > >[Any idea why your message had two different "From:" headers?] > >In message <199603150458.SAA02185@caliban.dihelix.com>you write: >>As I said though, I am going over a PPP link. Since multicast >>doesnt go over PPP I need a tunnel. If you can come up with >>another solution I am all hears. > >We need more information -- what are the addresses on each end of the PPP >line? What subnets? > >Multicast goes over PPP just fine if you give the PPP line its own subnet, no >tunnel needed. > > Bill In my case it is like: 1.2.3.10 is the PPP client and 1.2.3.1 is the PPP server and the clients default route. 1.2.3.20 is the SGI box on the same ethernet as the PPP server with multicast on that ethernet. For various reasons I cannot at this time use a subnet. To tell the truth I dont really want to either. -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 15 14:07:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05220 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05214 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15019(14)>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:07:15 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:07:07 -0800 To: "David Langford" , "David Langford" cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner), multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mrouted blues In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Mar 96 13:15:26 PST." <199603152115.LAA01234@caliban.dihelix.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:06:53 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Mar15.140707pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199603152115.LAA01234@caliban.dihelix.com> you write: >In my case it is like: 1.2.3.10 is the PPP client and 1.2.3.1 is the PPP >server and the clients default route. 1.2.3.20 is the SGI box on the same >ethernet as the PPP server with multicast on that ethernet. Is the client supposed to be a router, or just a client? >For various reasons I cannot at this time use a subnet. To tell the truth >I dont really want to either. POINTTOPOINT lines without their own subnets have always been a hack, however much of an accepted practice it has become. I have no idea how difficult it will be to support them completely, but for various reasons mrouted does not currently support them at all. Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 16 08:15:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA10905 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10892 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from moonpie.w8hd.org (moonpie.w8hd.org [198.252.159.14]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA12622 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:14:46 -0800 Received: (from kimc@localhost) by moonpie.w8hd.org (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA18038; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:12:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kim Culhan To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: managing multiple libtcl.so versions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Revisiting the mbone tools project I tried to run sdr from amancio's ftp site and it wants "libtcl74.so.1.0" This appears to be the shared lib built from the current build setup for tcl74 in ports. Since the need for having multiple tcl shared libs versions is probably common at the present, I was intereseted in how others have setup their environment to handle this. AFAIK nv still requires the older versions of tcl/tk, what approach works well to satisfy this requirement? regards kim -- kimc@w8hd.org From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 16 10:53:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23832 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23813 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA04063; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:52:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199603161852.KAA04063@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Kim Culhan cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: managing multiple libtcl.so versions In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:12:26 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:52:07 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk sdr should be recompiled statically. I don't have the sources however I am sure the person who has them will be more than happy to provide a static binary version. As for nv well if no one in the list is harrasing the author to upgrade to tk4.x then I guess we should find alternatives to nv or just forget about nv in the meantime . To say the least the current deployment of tk3.1, tk4.1a2 , and tk41b3 is a real mess. BTW: tk4.1b3 breaks all the m-bone tools and minor mods to the mbones tools will have to be done. I suspect that for many moons we will have tk4.1a2 based apps :( The only mbone tool which still uses tk3.1 is nv. I suggest grabbing the CU-SEEME section in nv and addding it to vic. If we do that there shall be very few reasons to use nv specially since major mbone events nowdays use vic. Any takers??? Amancio >>> Kim Culhan said: > > Revisiting the mbone tools project I tried to run sdr from amancio's > ftp site and it wants "libtcl74.so.1.0" > > This appears to be the shared lib built from the current build setup for > tcl74 in ports. > > Since the need for having multiple tcl shared libs versions is probably > common at the present, I was intereseted in how others have setup their > environment to handle this. > > AFAIK nv still requires the older versions of tcl/tk, what > approach works well to satisfy this requirement? > > regards > kim > > -- > kimc@w8hd.org >