From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 16 12:44:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA13765 for alpha-outgoing; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:44:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (sprice@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13742; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA06254; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:44:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:44:29 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: alpha@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: need an Alpha-based machine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, Does anybody out there in FreeBSD-land have a spare Alpha-based machine that they would be willing to loan/sell? I want to contribute to getting the FreeBSD Alpha port going. I'm not (yet) much of a kernel hacker, but I have been going through NetBSD's Alpha tree trying to shoehorn it into our tree. Yes, I know that pilfering NetBSD's tree may not be the right way to go about it, but at least it will give us a reference implementation within our four walls that we can play around with. Thanks, Steve From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 17 12:43:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA12603 for alpha-outgoing; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.5.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12590; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA14731; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:43:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd014726; Mon Nov 17 13:43:18 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26135; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:43:15 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199711172043.NAA26135@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: need an Alpha-based machine To: sprice@hiwaay.net (Steve Price) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Steve Price" at Nov 16, 97 02:44:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody out there in FreeBSD-land have a spare > Alpha-based machine that they would be willing to > loan/sell? > > I want to contribute to getting the FreeBSD Alpha > port going. I'm not (yet) much of a kernel hacker, > but I have been going through NetBSD's Alpha tree > trying to shoehorn it into our tree. > > Yes, I know that pilfering NetBSD's tree may not be > the right way to go about it, but at least it will > give us a reference implementation within our four > walls that we can play around with. I've been taking the same approach, with time out for my move, so I haven't really done anything recently. I'm using a Multia, and not the "official" porting platform (there is no documentation for the "official" platform). You can obtain a Multia rather cheaply from www.onsale.com, if you are willing to wait for the interest to wane (it gets bumped by postings like this one -- might as well not compete with other FreeBSD'ers. ;-)). I got mine for less that $400. If you have a PS/2 keyboard (it came with a mouse) and a VGA monitor and 32M or so of memory, and an external SCSI disk (all lying around, at my place), then you can have a working Alpha pretty cheaply. Actually, I use an external JAZZ drive and switch it between my Alpha, my HP300, and a PPC603 (Motorola PowerStack system). You might want to consider the new Syquest, or the the newer Syquest that is either out (or will be in a few days/weeks) that is to compete with the 2G JAZZ. I have a problem with My JAZZ drive in that you can't install NT or Windows 95 on the things unless you have an Adaptec SCSI controller and tell the BIOS to pretend it's a fixed disk (the NT/95 removable media driver corrupts data paged in from a removable device), so I would recommend the Syquest (this is based on a manufacturer rep claiming you can install NT/95 on their drive without the same problem, so the claim may not be valid). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 18 17:18:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA12269 for alpha-outgoing; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:18:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (root@[208.8.136.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12263 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26969 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chris@bb.cc.wa.us To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Which Alpha is this? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have heard a lot about the "multia"/"Miata" Where is the Documentation issue. We are ordering a Alpha based computer and I want to know what kind this is. They are ordering it for use with NT, But I will have hacking rights on it and am wondering if I will be able to contribute to the Alpha project on it. My question is "how do I know what kind of Alpha it is?" The Specs say: DEC Alpha 21164 CPU 533 MHZ DEC Aplha pc164 LX MotherBoard TIA Christopher J. Coleman (chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-766-8873 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 18 19:01:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA19654 for alpha-outgoing; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:01:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19649 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:01:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@pooh.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04575; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:00:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:00:31 -0800 (PST) From: Murray Stokely To: Chris Coleman cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which Alpha is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Chris Coleman wrote: % I have heard a lot about the "multia"/"Miata" Where is the Documentation % issue. We are ordering a Alpha based computer and I want to know what % kind this is. They are ordering it for use with NT, But I will have % hacking rights on it and am wondering if I will be able to contribute to % the Alpha project on it. My question is "how do I know what kind of Alpha % it is?" % % The Specs say: % DEC Alpha 21164 CPU 533 MHZ % DEC Aplha pc164 LX MotherBoard You'd get a much more technically accurate response from comp.sys.dec, but multia/udb's were early 066's running at 166mhz and such. That could be either an AlphaPC 21164 (with only 1 meg of cache, but a new multimedia unit to make up for it), or just a normal 21164 with 2meg cache. http://www.digital.com/semiconductor should help you out, or your system vendor's web page. Murray Stokely From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 19 11:18:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA13775 for alpha-outgoing; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:18:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from cynic.portal.ca (root@cynic.portal.ca [204.174.36.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13754 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:18:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjs@portal.ca) Received: from localhost ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by cynic.portal.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12556; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:17:40 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cynic.portal.ca: cjs owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Sampson To: Murray Stokely cc: Chris Coleman , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which Alpha is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Murray Stokely wrote: > % My question is "how do I know what kind of Alpha it is?" > % > % The Specs say: > % DEC Alpha 21164 CPU 533 MHZ > % DEC Aplha pc164 LX MotherBoard Well, it's a pc164 LX, of course. :-) (This is definitely nothing like a multia.) > That > could be either an AlphaPC 21164 (with only 1 meg of cache, but a new > multimedia unit to make up for it), or just a normal 21164 with 2meg > cache. The LX motherboard is the one with 2 MB of cache and SRM console available for it. (The SX is the one with only 1 MB of cache and ARC console only.) cjs Curt Sampson cjs@portal.ca Info at http://www.portal.ca/ Internet Portal Services, Inc. Through infinite myst, software reverberates Vancouver, BC (604) 257-9400 In code possess'd of invisible folly. From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 19 12:53:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25654 for alpha-outgoing; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.5.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25641 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA29519; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:53:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd029509; Wed Nov 19 13:53:02 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21627; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:52:58 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199711192052.NAA21627@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Which Alpha is this? To: cjs@portal.ca (Curt Sampson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: murray@cdrom.com, chris@bb.cc.wa.us, alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Curt Sampson" at Nov 19, 97 11:17:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > % The Specs say: > > % DEC Alpha 21164 CPU 533 MHZ > > % DEC Aplha pc164 LX MotherBoard > > Well, it's a pc164 LX, of course. :-) (This is definitely nothing > like a multia.) > > > That > > could be either an AlphaPC 21164 (with only 1 meg of cache, but a new > > multimedia unit to make up for it), or just a normal 21164 with 2meg > > cache. > > The LX motherboard is the one with 2 MB of cache and SRM console > available for it. (The SX is the one with only 1 MB of cache and > ARC console only.) In English, this means you will be able to use NetBSD/Alpha as documentation if you wish to work on a FreeBSD port. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 20 15:38:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA20215 for alpha-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:38:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from iafnl.es.iaf.nl (uucp@iafnl.es.iaf.nl [195.108.17.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20167; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:38:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA11660 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:38:03 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA06703; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:17:10 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199711202317.AAA06703@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: need an Alpha-based machine To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:17:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: sprice@hiwaay.net, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199711172043.NAA26135@usr07.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 17, 97 08:43:15 pm X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote... > > > Does anybody out there in FreeBSD-land have a spare > > Alpha-based machine that they would be willing to > > loan/sell? > > > > I want to contribute to getting the FreeBSD Alpha > > I'm using a Multia, and not the "official" porting platform (there > is no documentation for the "official" platform). > > You can obtain a Multia rather cheaply from www.onsale.com, if you > are willing to wait for the interest to wane (it gets bumped by > postings like this one -- might as well not compete with other > FreeBSD'ers. ;-)). You can also look at the PC64 boards, they sell here in Holland for US$ 175. See www.request.nl This mainboard, while not a speed daemon of any magnitude, at least holds a couple of PCI exp. cards. The Multia is limited to one short PCI slot. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' ---------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net]BSD Unix --Yoda From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 21 10:58:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01714 for alpha-outgoing; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha) Received: from iafnl.es.iaf.nl (uucp@iafnl.es.iaf.nl [195.108.17.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01692; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:58:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA22399 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:58:21 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA02838; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:36:35 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199711211836.TAA02838@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: need an Alpha-based machine To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:36:35 +0100 (MET) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, sprice@hiwaay.net, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199711202317.AAA06703@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Nov 21, 97 00:17:10 am X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Wilko Bulte wrote... > As Terry Lambert wrote... > > > > > Does anybody out there in FreeBSD-land have a spare > > > Alpha-based machine that they would be willing to > > > loan/sell? > > > > > > I want to contribute to getting the FreeBSD Alpha > > > > I'm using a Multia, and not the "official" porting platform (there > > is no documentation for the "official" platform). > > > > You can obtain a Multia rather cheaply from www.onsale.com, if you > > are willing to wait for the interest to wane (it gets bumped by > > postings like this one -- might as well not compete with other > > FreeBSD'ers. ;-)). > > You can also look at the PC64 boards, they sell here in Holland Eh, AXPpci33 that is... > for US$ 175. See www.request.nl This mainboard, while not a speed > daemon of any magnitude, at least holds a couple of PCI exp. > cards. The Multia is limited to one short PCI slot. _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' ---------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net]BSD Unix --Yoda