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To: Charles Henrich <henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu>, grog@lemis.de,
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From: Robin Melville <robmel@innotts.co.uk>
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At 7:47 pm -0500 15/3/97, Charles Henrich wrote:
>FreeBSD: What else?
>
>---
>
>Your looking for a high performance operating system, one geared towards your
>server environment, where high quality, high reliability and security are key.
>In the vast sea of Operating Systems what do you choose? FreeBSD, there is no
>other choice.
I'm not sure that you're not missing the point. There is a difference between simple "informative" advertising (our widgets do this, that and the other thing), and product "sensitivity". The advert for Red Hat which started this strand was the latter. The only thing it said about Linux is that you get the source, but it was posed in such a way as to sensitise hacker types to the freedom and control that Linux supposedly gives them, and the key message was that "you are one of us, we understand you -- come join us".
The purpose of this kind of ad is to say "hey! we're over here" to people locked into other brands. The assumption is that they will then like the *concept* of your product and go on to to find out more. A good example is car ads.. a bad example is Apple computers advertising (in Europe at least) at the moment (it says "hey! look at our product, it can run Windows too" :/ ).
I would have thought that if you guys want to splurge FreeBSD, the key market is small/medium system managers who are looking to shift over to the Inter/intranet. They may already be running/fed up with/paying through the nose for Novell, NT, Apple servers, SCO, HPUX, DEC etc, and would probably try something new if they had a concept of it.
They need to be reassured that free software isn't
* cobbled together by amateurs
* Full of holes
* flaky
* an application-free zone
* a support-free zone
Since FreeBSD is none of these things (as those of us who've taken the plunge can testify) we've got a flying start. But the first step is to catch their attention and get them to consider us as an option.
By all means give the down and dirty information in the small print, but focus on the /concept/ if you want impact.
Regards
Robin.
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From: Brian Tao <taob@risc.org>
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On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Eivind Eklund wrote:
>
> > My father have worked with writing ad copy, but don't have the
> > technical side.
> >
> Brian?? Where are you? :)
Uh, what? Me? Ummmmm... how about, "FreeBSD: Leverage *this*!"
(sorry, I'm in my anti-corporate squid mood right now) ;-)
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> I'm not sure that you're not missing the point. There is a difference between
simple "informative" advertising (our widgets do this, that and the other thing)
, and product "sensitivity". The advert for Red Hat which started this strand wa
s the latter. The only thing it said about Linux is that you get the source, but
it was posed in such a way as to sensitise hacker types to the freedom and cont
rol that Linux supposedly gives them, and the key message was that "you are one
of us, we understand you -- come join us".
Absolutely, but what target market do we want? 13 year olds in front of
Pentiums, or the server role in ISP's and corporate America? Traditionally
FreeBSD has been marketed at the server role, and I think thats where we want
it. Linux is for Play, FreeBSD is for Work. (course it plays just as well
too).
-Crh
Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu
http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich
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As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> Well, Jordan, don't you think we should send Joerg his own "FreeBSD
> Release Engineer Hat" ? He has really deserved it.
Hmm, no, i really don't like hats very much. Maybe helmets, but
only while riding motor-bikes...
> Here's to Joerg, the release-engineer for FreeBSD 2.2 and 3.0!!!
>
> What do you mean "WHAT??" ?
>
> Didn't you even read it before you signed it ?
Ah, the little footnotes. I almost miss these parts, too bad.
> Well, that is really far too late now. Your name is on the contract and
> you are the stuckee for 3.0 as well!
Ah, 3.0 only? That's great! So it must be that it were the footnotes
of your releng contract that bound you to be the release engineer for
2.2.1? Fine with me!
*evily grin*
--
cheers, J"org
joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE
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FreBSD: The net as it should be.
Jamie Bowden
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FreeBSD: Your mother would be proud.
:)
Tony.
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FreeBSD: unleash the power of the internet!
FreeBSD: built for the internet!
FreeBSD: Where do you want to go tomorrow!! (hehehe)
FreeBSD: built to GO somewhere, not just BE somewhere!
FreeBSD: do you fit the legend!!
apologies if i've stolen any of these from anyone (especially if i get into trouble!)
Andrew Perry
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From: Annelise Anderson <andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu>
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Maybe--
FreeBSD: The Operating System of the Internet
Here are a couple of "takes" directed toward the Win95 market (people
who probably aren't reading Sys Admin magazine)
________________
You've hacked the '95 registry and downloaded powertoys--
and discovered that they're just that, toys.
You've gone about as far as you can go with Windows 95.
You're in a box that Microsoft built. It's time to get out.
It's time to get a real operating system, multi-user, multi-tasking,
Internet capable, an operating system with all the
programs and utilities you need not just to connect to your ISP,
but to be one if you want to.
An operating system that comes with source code, runs on your pc,
and can be downloaded free over the Internet. An operating system
in the great tradition of Berkeley unix.
Set yourself free
Get the source
Get FreeBSD
Or similarly:
You've hacked the '95 registry. You've downloaded powertoys and
discovered that they're just that -- toys.
You're young, you're smart, and let's face it, you're bored.
You've gone about as far as you can go with Windows 95.
You're ready for a real operating system for your pc -- multi-user,
multi-tasking, Internet capable--not only as a client, but as a server.
An operating system in the great tradition of Berkeley unix.
You don't just want to connect to an ISP....you're thinking of
becoming one.
You want to write your own bot, run your own web server, compile
your own kernel, hack the system code.
Make the world.
Make the world yours.
Get FreeBSD.
The Operating System of the Internet
--
Annelise
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> You're in a box that Microsoft built. It's time to get out.
I *love* this line!
--
Sean Kelly
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On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Annelise Anderson wrote:
> Maybe--
I think this is just excellent, so naturally I'm going to nitpick. I am
one of those that wants to add more folks, at the risk of getting more
folks that need handholding, so I want to dumb one thing down, and add
reference to our port collection (indirectly). I took out the place where
the word "source" was (I think that might scare some folks) but left in
where it said "compile your own kernel". Really just a matter of cutting
and pasting, mostly (Wonderful job, Annelise!)
That said, I'm not going to directly include what Annelise wrote, I am
cutting and pasting her two options in what pleases me best. I expect
(hope for) more criticism! Understand that she wrote this, I don't want
you thinking it's my idea (I wish it was...)
[steal mode on]
FreeBSD: The Operating System of the Internet
You've hacked the '95 registry and downloaded powertoys--
and discovered that they're just that, toys.
You've gone about as far as you can go with Windows 95.
You're in a box that Microsoft built. It's time to get out.
You're ready for a real operating system for your pc -- multi-user,
multi-tasking, Internet capable--not only as a client, but as a server.
An operating system in the great tradition of Berkeley unix, with
hundreds of ready to run, free applications.
You don't just want to connect to an ISP....you're thinking of
becoming one.
You want to write your own bot, run your own web server, compile
your own kernel, hack the system code.
Make the world.
[back to me]
I think that's really something. How about some suggestions for various
graphics? More than one, please, this is sounding like a brochure, not a
one pager, so multiple graphics would be needed.
----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data
chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix.
9120 Edmonston Ct #302 |
Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD
(301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN!
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With all the discussion here about promotion and PR I thought I'd
copy this to the list, from the regular "SpaceNews" bulletin posted
to sci.space.news:
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SpaceNews
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MONDAY MARCH 17, 1997
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* LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 *
==========================
The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a
US Space Shuttle mission. Bruce Perens reports that a Debian
distribution of Linux will be used on Shuttle mission STS-83 as part
of a hydroponics experiment. The hydroponics experiment will test the
feasibility of growing plants without soil in space that could
eventually provide oxygen and food to astronauts.
Sebastian Kuzminsky, an engineer working on the computer that controls
the experiment which is operated by Biosciences Corporation said, "The
experiment studies the growth of plants in microgravity. It uses a
miniature 486 PC-compatible computer, the Ampro CoreModule 4DXi.
Debian GNU/Linux is loaded on this system in place of DOS or Windows.
The fragility and power drain of disk drives ruled them out for this
experiment, and a solid-state disk replacement from the SanDisk
company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10
watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on
STS-83 is to control water and light for the growing plants as well as
send telemetry and video of the plants to scientists on the ground.
Linux is a commercial-free operating system designed over the past
several years by programmers using the Internet to exchange their
ideas and code. It offers features (including AX.25 packet radio
networking) and capabilities unmatched by commercial operating systems
at any price. Linux was successfully used during Shuttle mission
STS-75 in support of the tether experiments carried out on that
mission. The ground-based software designed for the tether
experiments was originally written on a 64-bit DEC Alpha computer
running Digital Unix, and as Linux is similar to Unix in design and
structure, it was a simple matter to port the software from the Alpha
to a 32-bit IBM Thinkpad laptop running Linux that was carried on the
Shuttle.
More information on Linux may be found on the World Wide Web at the
following URL:
http://www.linux.org
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From: Peter Dufault <dufault@hda.com>
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Subject: Re: slogan
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.970317164140.3258A-100000@packet.eng.umd.edu> from Chuck Robey at "Mar 17, 97 04:57:32 pm"
To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:31:35 -0500 (EST)
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...
I have one other note: if anything leads to wide spread concern
about MS it will be that they are potentially everyman's competetitor,
from banking to toys to news to entertainment to classified ads.
If they think they can match their historic growth rate in your
industry then there will immediately be an effective, smart,
aggressive VP in Charge of Your Industry, previous "partners" are
out, and each MS based PC and server you buy directly funds what
may be your most cut throat competitor.
I think this should somehow be implied.
Peter
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Subject: Re: Speaking of PR
In-Reply-To: <199703172212.OAA07938@freefall.freebsd.org> from "C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz" at "Mar 18, 97 09:36:56 am"
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> With all the discussion here about promotion and PR I thought I'd
> copy this to the list, from the regular "SpaceNews" bulletin posted
> to sci.space.news:
Linux also gets a "plug" of sort in todays New York Times. At the
end of an article about "hackers" on the internet their is a reference
to a security consultant (picture in sandals, long hair, and beard
with his lap top in Boca Raton, FL) and that he uses many powerful
computers running "Linux, a shareware operating system preferred by
hackers on the Internet" (paraphrase).
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On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, K. Marsh wrote:
>
> Here's a few FreeBSD Slogan ideas:
>
> fbsd - 32 bits for under a buck.
>
> Bill who?
>
> fbsd - Magic without the cookies.
I love 'em!!! :) Followups redirected to freebsd-chat...
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From: Annelise Anderson <andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu>
To: Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu>
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Subject: RE: slogan
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I liked your changes, Chuck.
> How about some suggestions for various
> graphics? More than one, please, this is sounding like a brochure, not a
> one pager, so multiple graphics would be needed.
I incorporated most of them and marked it up with a little (a very little)
html and put it on my web server at
http://andrsn.stanford.edu/FreeBSD/aa.html. It doesn't look too bad. I'd
be inclined toward a background graphic of the globe/world in a man's
hand--not very original, I guess.
Annelise
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For those collecting arguments against NT and pro free OSs and the
way bugs are fixed in FreeBSD, here for your refreshment:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-public/fixes/usa/nt40/hotfixes-postSP
2
Read the knowledgebase reports (KB) starting with Q#####
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From: "Roland Blampied" <Rat@User.ITconsult.co.uk>
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Subject: FreeBSD CD-ROM
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:19:07 -0000
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Being a bit of a newbie to all this, I was wondering if it is possible to
re-create the FreeBSD CD from files freely available for FTP download.
If it is possible, I just need to know what the Root of the CD will
contain, and where to get those files.
Thanks in advance.
Roland Blampied MCP
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From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch)
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD-ROM
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As Roland Blampied wrote:
> Being a bit of a newbie to all this, I was wondering if it is possible to
> re-create the FreeBSD CD from files freely available for FTP download.
> If it is possible, I just need to know what the Root of the CD will
> contain, and where to get those files.
The official FreeBSD CD-ROM is copyright by Walnut Creek CD-ROM,
naturally, since they're doing the compilation of that medium.
If all you need however is an installation CD-ROM, it's as simple as
getting the files from your closest FreeBSD mirror. The base
directory of a release should look like:
/usr/release/R/ftp:
ABOUT.TXT compat1x/ dict/ HARDWARE.TXT proflibs/
bin/ compat20/ doc/ info/ README.TXT
catpages/ compat21/ floppies/ INSTALL.TXT RELNOTES.TXT
cdrom.inf des/ games/ manpages/ src/
Copy all of this to a CD. Don't forget the cdrom.inf file. Don't
fetch the des/ directory from a US mirror, you know they'll get
problems if you do this. Pick one of the international mirrors if you
think you need DES or Kerberos (like ftp.de.freebsd.org, or
ftp.internat.freebsd.org).
It depends on your needs whether you're also going to put ports and/or
packages there.
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From: Christoph Haas <haas@brian.lion.de>
To: Roland Blampied <Rat@User.ITconsult.co.uk>
Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD-ROM
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On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Roland Blampied wrote:
> Being a bit of a newbie to all this, I was wondering if it is possible to
> re-create the FreeBSD CD from files freely available for FTP download.
> If it is possible, I just need to know what the Root of the CD will
> contain, and where to get those files.
Look at your local freeBSD-mirror and jump into a *-RELEASE directory (*
means 2.1.7 or 2.2) In there you'll find all files needed for a cd. Just
copy the whole directory structure onto a cd, make a bootfloppy (in the
floppies directory) and off you go...
Christoph
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From: Stephen Roome <steve@visint.co.uk>
To: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz
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Subject: Re: Speaking of PR
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On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz wrote:
> * LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 *
> ==========================
> The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a
><snip>
>
> company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10
> watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on
> <snip>
Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere
in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT..
So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission
then this minimal power drain thing is important..
Although I don't know why this wasn't done on an ARM chip of some sort,
if power was important..
oh blah blah..
Steve.
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Subject: Re: Speaking of PR
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>On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz wrote:
>> * LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 *
>> ==========================
>> The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a
>><snip>
>>
>> company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10
>> watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on
>> <snip>
>
>Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere
>in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT..
>So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission
>then this minimal power drain thing is important..
Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM
configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too.
-DG
David Greenman
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On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Richard Wackerbarth wrote:
> >Actually I think it would be a fairly good idea to remove the tag
> >altogether and have some documentation which says which one to get.
>
> Here I agree.
This is the important bit I think, does anyone else agree ?
Steve.
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From: Stephen Roome <steve@visint.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Speaking of PR - update FAQ's ?
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On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, David Greenman wrote:
> >On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz wrote:
> >> * LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 *
> >> ==========================
> >> The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a
> >><snip>
> >>
> >> company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10
> >> watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on
> >> <snip>
> >
> >Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere
> >in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT..
> >So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission
> >then this minimal power drain thing is important..
>
> Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM
> configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too.
Apologies, It's still in the documentation though, well, it's in the FAQ
Question 93...
(This FAQ was the one that came with 3.0-970209-SNAP...
perhaps it needs updating to show that FreeBSD now runs just as cool
as Linux =) )
>
> -DG
>
> David Greenman
> Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project
>
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> > Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM
> > configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too.
>
> Apologies, It's still in the documentation though, well, it's in the FAQ
> Question 93...
I just updated the FAQ w/respect to this.
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> >Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere
> >in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT..
> >So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission
> >then this minimal power drain thing is important..
>
> Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM
> configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too.
And APM can be configured to still use HALT as well if you want it to.
Nate
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To: steve@visint.co.uk (Stephen Roome)
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> Apologies, It's still in the documentation though, well, it's in the FAQ
> Question 93...
> (This FAQ was the one that came with 3.0-970209-SNAP...
> perhaps it needs updating to show that FreeBSD now runs just as cool
> as Linux =) )
I'll get this fix into the FAQ as soon as I've redone the last set of changes
I made, 'cos either they didn't get in or someone submitted a set of changes
that were based on an earlier version of the FAQ and overwrote them.
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We set a new one-day traffic record on wcarchive yesterday, March 19th.
This beat the old record of 142.8GB by about 4%. The unusually high numbers
for FreeBSD are due of course to the recent releases of FreeBSD 2.2 and
2.1.7.1.
-DG
David Greenman
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> *************************************
> *** Statistics for : Mar 20, 1997 ***
> *************************************
>
> Files transferred : 735,105
> Bytes transferred : 148,365,901,375
>
> Total FTP HTTP FTP HTTP Total Total
>Archive Name Bytes(k) Bytes(k) Bytes(k) Files Files %Bytes %Files
>-------------- ------------ ----------- ----------- ------ ------ ------ ------
>_FreeBSD 46,385,661 46,122,559 263,102 242407 1920 31.26 33.24
>_gamesdomain 18,668,316 18,589,366 78,950 2837 102 12.58 0.40
>_linux 17,534,217 17,192,984 341,232 68046 5050 11.82 9.94
>_simtelnet 14,225,486 9,632,448 4,593,038 25097 13296 9.59 5.22
>_idgames 8,953,505 8,228,033 725,472 17715 5916 6.03 3.21
>_games 7,277,818 7,035,975 241,843 19089 3433 4.91 3.06
>_demos 6,200,589 4,446,702 1,753,887 20623 14969 4.18 4.84
>_XFree86 5,561,410 5,559,416 1,994 6020 103 3.75 0.83
>_idgames2 5,193,940 3,340,140 1,853,800 18249 15279 3.50 4.56
>_windows 3,424,663 3,101,118 323,545 6333 5041 2.31 1.55
>_povray 2,999,099 2,927,112 71,986 1995 947 2.02 0.40
>_tex 1,618,273 1,163,253 455,020 11989 4296 1.09 2.22
>_dresden 1,177,309 930,977 246,332 3267 2019 0.79 0.72
>_mac 1,104,853 1,104,853 0 6706 0 0.74 0.91
>_os2 870,870 707,826 163,043 2825 1689 0.59 0.61
>_perl 712,781 696,409 16,372 15195 320 0.48 2.11
...
>-------------- ------------ ----------- ----------- ------ ------ ------ ------
>67 archives 148,365,901 135,046,537 13,317,655 488594 246488 ~100.0 ~100.0
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>This beat the old record of 142.8GB by about 4%. The unusually high numbers
Oh, I forgot to mention that the old record was set on Feb. 20th.
-DG
David Greenman
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Hey All:
Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming
publication:
"The Free Systems Journal"
We will feature coverage of all (well almost) Free/Open unix(like)
systems and FreeDOS. This includes FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, Minix, ELKS,
UZI(possibly) and whatever else we can find interest in.
We will be a raw publication focusing on content, not style or looks. I
plan on limiting it to black and white, forever.
Coverage will include:
X Window
Installation adn configuration
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Real world applications
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System specific issues....
?
Our motiviation centers around Linux Journal's desire to stay strictly
Linux focused. This is not a bad decision on their part, but it leaves
a void for the other systems.
We need contributors to offer articles, tips, opinion, artwork, in the
following areas:
#1. Real world applications. Descriptions, problems, solutions and
the TRUTH about what these systems CAN and CAN'T do in the real world.
(1000 to 4000 words)
#2. Software reviews. What applications work, and what don't,
especially which ones are very strong or very weak. (500 to 2000 words)
[Bigger apps and CommercialWare apps may run longer where necessary]
#3. Configuration Details. Especially for useful supporting apps that
may be harder to do like Sendmail, fax, any big packages. (500 to 3000
words).
#4. Hardware configuration issues. Especially for the lesser used
systems, i.e. minix, ELKS, Hurd, NetBSD on parted architectures (like
NeXT [sorry, that was just what I'm waiting to see]) (1500 to 4000
words)
#5. Humor...? 1 to 4000 words....pictures?
#6. Tips, usually less than 500 words.
#7. Experimental stuff....? 1 to ? words, I'm willing to go serial on
these if they're REALLY GOOD.
#8. Newbie stuff, if you're just getting started but you have
something GOOD to say.
#9. Book reviews -- Starting with non-linux systems, then Linux, then
Unix in general, then anything else.
#10. Anything else well written.
I'm very serious about new writers and unique stuff. I'm not a
traditional guy, nor are most of you, that's why we're here. I just
want to see good stuff.
We will pay for most contributions, although not for the smaller stuff.
You will get the satisfaction of being published and the exposure. You
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> Hey All:
>
> Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming
> publication:
>
> "The Free Systems Journal"
This sounds like a great offering, though I do feel compelled to note
that before people jump on board too quickly with this, the FreeBSD
Project, in cooperation with Walnut Creek CDROM, is also just now
launching "The FreeBSD Newsletter" and will be sending it out free of
charge to all interested FreeBSD customers (2.2's recently introduced
registration form has a subscription option for it).
I mention this now because I am, in fact, currently seeking articles
for the first issue, something I was going to announce tomorrow but
your announcement sort of galvanized me into action a bit sooner. :)
My worry is that two startup publications devoted to this segment of
free software market will quickly deplete the available articles,
already in rather short supply, and I wonder how we might work this
out. It's also going to be possible for me to collect name & address
info directly from the installed base, as well as give away free
advertising space to FreeBSD related vendors, so it strikes me as a
definite possibility that one publication could sort of hamper the
growth of the other from a surplus of advantage if we don't work out
some more cooperative arrangement.
I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this.
It's also the objective of the FreeBSD Newsletter to be available in a
wide variety of media, including postscript paper copies, ascii (for
email) and HTML for the WWW site(s). Back issues will also be kept on
www.freebsd.org and distributed with future CDROM distributions.
Given that this will probably be nothing like the slick, glossy,
full-color periodicals you get from folks like the Linux Journal (and
possibly this Free Software Journal), I having had something more like
USENIX's ";login" newsletter in mind, perhaps there is ample room in
the market for both publications if we play this reasonably
cooperatively. If nothing else, the Free Software Journal will be
paying its contributors and may therefore attract a different caliber
of writer. :)
Comments?
Jordan
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From: Charles Henrich <henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu>
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Well I've stopped the rc5 processes on my machines, the server hasnt been
responding for days.
This contest has shown me very clearly, that a 56 bit is pretty damn secure.
If 10,000+ machines cant find it in 5 weeks, its good enough for me.
-Crh
Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu
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On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote:
> Well I've stopped the rc5 processes on my machines, the server hasnt been
> responding for days.
>
> This contest has shown me very clearly, that a 56 bit is pretty damn secure.
> If 10,000+ machines cant find it in 5 weeks, its good enough for me.
>
Well, 3 of those weeks have been spent with half the time in
trying to even talk to the server itself :(
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> launching "The FreeBSD Newsletter" and will be sending it out free of
> charge to all interested FreeBSD customers (2.2's recently introduced
> registration form has a subscription option for it).
>
> I mention this now because I am, in fact, currently seeking articles
> for the first issue, something I was going to announce tomorrow but
> your announcement sort of galvanized me into action a bit sooner. :)
what would be the intended (prevalent) audience of "The FreeBSD
Newsletter", hobbyists, industrial/commercial users, research
oriented people ?
I guess that something along the lines of chapters of "The Complete
FreeBSD" on various system configuration issues would be of interest to
many people, but perhaps not that rewarding to write (because of the
need of filling up the details). Conversely, some nice articles on the
internals of FreeBSD would be much more interesting to write, but
perhaps have a much more limited audience (not to mention that those
able to write them might simply not have the time to).
Luigi
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To: Charles Henrich <henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu>
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Subject: Re: RSA Contest
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:18:31 EST."
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> Well I've stopped the rc5 processes on my machines, the server hasnt been
> responding for days.
I'm surprised you held out that long - I killed mine weeks ago. :-)
The contest basically fell apart, from everything I could see. I'm
also not sure if the original objectives were met and I've got fairly
grave doubts that any 10,000 machines ever participated *effectively*
during this run. There was so much syn-flooding and general network
mayhem going on that I'll bet if anyone ever does the final and honest
accounting for this, based on the number of key cracks actually
performed, you'll probably find that only about 500 machine's worth of
pure 24/7 crunching was achieved (or something close to an order of
magnitude less than the numbers being claimed).
Jordan
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>
> > Hey All:
> >
> > Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming
> > publication:
> >
> > "The Free Systems Journal"
>
> I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this.
>
>
> Comments?
>
> Jordan
>
just my 2 cents
maybe we should send articles to both, FreeBSD people will certainly
support the new newsletter (which I think is a great idea, will you be
sending them to australia? otherwise i can live with e-mail) but if we
have articles in the Free Systems Journal as well that may generate
interest in FreeBSD from non FreeBSD users.
Andrew Perry
andrew@shoal.net.au
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Andrew:
I don't think my other response was posted to the whole net, (I'll see
what I can do).
Basically, I told Jordan that my desire was to allow for reasonable
copies of articles in the journal and that we'd post back copies, after
a proscribed period, onto the net in various formats. Along with this I
would be willing to allow reprints in the newsletter, or more
realistically, the rights would revert back to the author who could then
offer them up to the newsletter. At the same time, I wouldn't keep from
publishing a good article, just because it appeared someplace else
(keeping with copyright restrictions, of course).
I said I like to look at this as a way to "expand" exposure not compete
for it.
Anything I haven't thoght of?
-Mike
Andrew Perry wrote:
>
> >
> > > Hey All:
> > >
> > > Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming
> > > publication:
> > >
> > > "The Free Systems Journal"
> >
> > I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this.
> >
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Jordan
> >
> just my 2 cents
> maybe we should send articles to both, FreeBSD people will certainly
> support the new newsletter (which I think is a great idea, will you be
> sending them to australia? otherwise i can live with e-mail) but if we
> have articles in the Free Systems Journal as well that may generate
> interest in FreeBSD from non FreeBSD users.
>
> Andrew Perry
> andrew@shoal.net.au
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mike allison wrote:
>
> Jordon:
>
> This is very interesting. We've been working on this project for a
> couple of weeks now and it was at the behest of Greg Lehey whom I've
> recruited, to write to FreeBSD and let everyone know. A couple of
> things I didn't put out, which I should have, is that I want to be able
> to allow for readers to make reasonable copies and that we will place
> back issues on the net (like you in multi formats, pdf, ps, etc). I
> have no objections to writers doing FreeBSD and FreeBSD related stories
> to publishing them in your newletter, and vice versa. I'd also be
> willing to list a link to you newsletter and support it in any way
> feasible.
>
> I would certainly hope that we can all complement each other rather than
> compete and that readers will want to get as much "news" as possible.
> It's hard to say that a free newsletter threatens our market, but I see
> a very real concern regarding article availability.
>
> Rather than deplete that pool however, I want to offer it greater
> exposure. Again, although we may pay, the amount isn't going to be a
> GREAT attraction (although somehting is better than nothing in that
> regard).
>
> Really, though, our desire is not to compete, but to expand. I think,
> in the long run, readers will have Free access to our magazine, they may
> need to pay for timely access, but ultimate access through the net,
> should be free as well. How free, price-wise, depends on our ability to
> find other funding through advertising, or ?.
>
> Please respond with you comments and thank you for your letter
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Mike
>
> Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> >
> > > Hey All:
> > >
> > > Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming
> > > publication:
> > >
> > > "The Free Systems Journal"
> >
> > This sounds like a great offering, though I do feel compelled to note
> > that before people jump on board too quickly with this, the FreeBSD
> > Project, in cooperation with Walnut Creek CDROM, is also just now
> > launching "The FreeBSD Newsletter" and will be sending it out free of
> > charge to all interested FreeBSD customers (2.2's recently introduced
> > registration form has a subscription option for it).
> >
> > I mention this now because I am, in fact, currently seeking articles
> > for the first issue, something I was going to announce tomorrow but
> > your announcement sort of galvanized me into action a bit sooner. :)
> >
> > My worry is that two startup publications devoted to this segment of
> > free software market will quickly deplete the available articles,
> > already in rather short supply, and I wonder how we might work this
> > out. It's also going to be possible for me to collect name & address
> > info directly from the installed base, as well as give away free
> > advertising space to FreeBSD related vendors, so it strikes me as a
> > definite possibility that one publication could sort of hamper the
> > growth of the other from a surplus of advantage if we don't work out
> > some more cooperative arrangement.
> >
> > I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this.
> >
> > It's also the objective of the FreeBSD Newsletter to be available in a
> > wide variety of media, including postscript paper copies, ascii (for
> > email) and HTML for the WWW site(s). Back issues will also be kept on
> > www.freebsd.org and distributed with future CDROM distributions.
> >
> > Given that this will probably be nothing like the slick, glossy,
> > full-color periodicals you get from folks like the Linux Journal (and
> > possibly this Free Software Journal), I having had something more like
> > USENIX's ";login" newsletter in mind, perhaps there is ample room in
> > the market for both publications if we play this reasonably
> > cooperatively. If nothing else, the Free Software Journal will be
> > paying its contributors and may therefore attract a different caliber
> > of writer. :)
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Jordan
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Hello again:
While we're a bit busy with this conversation about newsletters and
jounals, I just wanted to stand up and lay out my philosophy in regards
to what Free Systems Journal should be.
First of all it has to be an organ (sorry bevis) for the issues that the
Free systems community faces. That is the ENTIRE community. Let no one
think that this community belongs any more to the Linux users than it
does to the FreeDOS or Minix users. We're all in this together. We
don't need to agree but we can't deal anyone out. I said my original
desire for this sprang from Linux Journal's continued open disregard of
other systems. That is not a negative stance for LJ, on the contrary,
it never claimed to be anything but. On the other hand, there has
always been a need for coverage of other systems in a responsive manner,
not as an aside to some greater issue. I assure you if LJ paid
attention to other systems, they wouldn't do it justice. I myself
wonder how it can be done, but we'll find a pole to revolve around and
then expand or contract based on community needs.
I don't think any one person, or group, is more qualified to contribute
than another. A newbie might have just as pertinent a concern as anyone
else, and just as elegant a solution. There are many more newbies out
there than gurus. Unlike many of the people out there, a lot of us
don't have a guru to defer to. (Except the newsgroups, and we don't
always know who's answering the mail there.)
I want this endeavor to become something useful to all of us, that we
can all have a stake in and be proud of. If the NetBSD folks do
something cool, or pull off a major installation, like say, to the
Justice Department, we should all be proud and pull a little closer.
Our similarities are our strength our differences merely distractions.
Our goal should be to become smarter as individuals and to make
computing a transparent part of our lives (both from a control sense,
and a cost sense). I don't mind having to pay for good software, but I
do mind not being able to chose and bad software eventually becoming the
ONLY software.
UNIX (Sorry to whomever owns the trademark this week) was always open in
this sense. It was the great equalizer. It has again become that great
equalizer. It has motivated people to create Free systems and that
includes free versions of some of the most popular, most expensive and
most controlled personal computing software.
If you flood my office with contributions, I'll publish what I can.
What's really good I'll pass on to others to publish. There's no way
that we'll sit on a valuable article just to pump some imagined value
out of it.
I'm open to any suggestions about how to provide this service. I'm a
book guy and magazines are new to us. But I'm become zealous about this
and I'm determined to see it through.
Your thoughts are appreciated. I'm not a real member of these lists, so
please let me know what the right procedure is for joining.
Thanks,
-Mike Allison
Publisher,
Burning Eagle Books
mallison@konnections.com
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Just a thought:
Jordan: could FreeBSD Inc./Walnut Creek contract out to
do the Newsletter you are thinking of?
For one thing it would allow you folks to concentrate on content as opposed
to layout.
-David Langford
langfod@dihelix.com
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>Anything I haven't thoght of?
Any chance of combining this operation into one mighty empire that could
succeed, rather than two competing empires with the same goals?
Also, is the Free Systems Journal destined to be a real, oh-my-gosh
Publication, with a cover and postage and I can subscribe to it, or
something else? (That didn't come across completely clear to me, but I
may have missed something.) Jordan has been caught vaguely off-guard, so
I'm not sure he's completely fleshed out his version of what he wants to
do. At any rate, I'd be more excited about supporting something that was
going to get some exposure outside of our little community here. I'm
almost afraid a newsletter of sorts would not see a lot of exposure
outside of the people already subscribed to freebsd-*, whereas something
that gets published and advertised and talked about and whoa here it is on
the MAGAZINE RACK and what's this {Free, Net, Open}BSD stuff about anyway?
I guess what I'm saying is I strongly support the idea of a publication,
if that's what Mike is talking about. Jordan is a real capable salesman,
though, who I'm sure could make a newsletter focussed specifically on
FreeBSD succeed too. I'd rather see forces that mesh well together rather
than smaller competing services.
Brian
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> Jordan: could FreeBSD Inc./Walnut Creek contract out to
> do the Newsletter you are thinking of?
> For one thing it would allow you folks to concentrate on content as opposed
> to layout.
I'm not sure I follow you - I won't be doing layout; Walnut Creek CDROM
has an art department for that. :-)
We're just doing content.
Jordan
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On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Andrew Perry wrote:
> just my 2 cents
> maybe we should send articles to both, FreeBSD people will certainly
> support the new newsletter (which I think is a great idea, will you be
> sending them to australia? otherwise i can live with e-mail) but if we
> have articles in the Free Systems Journal as well that may generate
> interest in FreeBSD from non FreeBSD users.
>
> Andrew Perry
> andrew@shoal.net.au
For what it's worth, I have to heartily agree with this.
FreeBSD articles can go nicely in a newsletter-type thing, and any new
interest generated amoung x86 UNIX users is good.
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Brian:
Yes, the Free Systems Journal will be a REAL cover & postage magazine
that the whole world can subscribe to. BUT, and this is important...
- it won't JUST be BSD
- it won't be evangelical, officially below the Free /Open systems
line.
- it CAN'T cater to all of the specific needs of the BSD community, I
don't think. Although, again I'll let the community dictate that.
What Jordan wants to do goes to the FreeBSD community. If Jordan can
support that, then I think it is a good thing. Again, I don't think
competition is a bad thing, but I also don't see it as competition.
Also, I promised to give some kind of face time to the newsletter, even
if it is just a "For More In Depth...see.." sorta thing.
The risk doesn't lie within the community. It lies with those of us
businesses who take these risks. If there is a market for the mag, and
it's well written, there is, ergo, a market for the readership and,
logically, market potential for advertisers. That's where it will
succeed.
A free newsletter is not competition in those senses. We do not compete
for resources outside of input and some of that we can share.
My cause isn't to win support for Jordan, I'm not quitting becuase he's
in the fray, the market will support us all. But, I'm not going to try
to kill or swap the newsletter, either, it's a healthy addition.
In my humble opinion.
-Mike
Brian N. Handy wrote:
>
> >Anything I haven't thoght of?
>
> Any chance of combining this operation into one mighty empire that could
> succeed, rather than two competing empires with the same goals?
>
> Also, is the Free Systems Journal destined to be a real, oh-my-gosh
> Publication, with a cover and postage and I can subscribe to it, or
> something else? (That didn't come across completely clear to me, but I
> may have missed something.) Jordan has been caught vaguely off-guard, so
> I'm not sure he's completely fleshed out his version of what he wants to
> do. At any rate, I'd be more excited about supporting something that was
> going to get some exposure outside of our little community here. I'm
> almost afraid a newsletter of sorts would not see a lot of exposure
> outside of the people already subscribed to freebsd-*, whereas something
> that gets published and advertised and talked about and whoa here it is on
> the MAGAZINE RACK and what's this {Free, Net, Open}BSD stuff about anyway?
>
> I guess what I'm saying is I strongly support the idea of a publication,
> if that's what Mike is talking about. Jordan is a real capable salesman,
> though, who I'm sure could make a newsletter focussed specifically on
> FreeBSD succeed too. I'd rather see forces that mesh well together rather
> than smaller competing services.
>
> Brian
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On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, mike allison wrote:
> Hello again:
>
> While we're a bit busy with this conversation about newsletters and
> jounals, I just wanted to stand up and lay out my philosophy in regards
> to what Free Systems Journal should be.
>
> First of all it has to be an organ (sorry bevis) for the issues that the
> Free systems community faces. That is the ENTIRE community. Let no one
> think that this community belongs any more to the Linux users than it
> does to the FreeDOS or Minix users. We're all in this together. We
> don't need to agree but we can't deal anyone out. I said my original
> desire for this sprang from Linux Journal's continued open disregard of
> other systems. That is not a negative stance for LJ, on the contrary,
> it never claimed to be anything but. On the other hand, there has
> always been a need for coverage of other systems in a responsive manner,
> not as an aside to some greater issue. I assure you if LJ paid
> attention to other systems, they wouldn't do it justice. I myself
> wonder how it can be done, but we'll find a pole to revolve around and
> then expand or contract based on community needs.
>
> I don't think any one person, or group, is more qualified to contribute
> than another. A newbie might have just as pertinent a concern as anyone
> else, and just as elegant a solution. There are many more newbies out
> there than gurus. Unlike many of the people out there, a lot of us
> don't have a guru to defer to. (Except the newsgroups, and we don't
> always know who's answering the mail there.)
>
> I want this endeavor to become something useful to all of us, that we
> can all have a stake in and be proud of. If the NetBSD folks do
> something cool, or pull off a major installation, like say, to the
> Justice Department, we should all be proud and pull a little closer.
>
> Our similarities are our strength our differences merely distractions.
> Our goal should be to become smarter as individuals and to make
> computing a transparent part of our lives (both from a control sense,
> and a cost sense). I don't mind having to pay for good software, but I
> do mind not being able to chose and bad software eventually becoming the
> ONLY software.
>
> UNIX (Sorry to whomever owns the trademark this week) was always open in
> this sense. It was the great equalizer. It has again become that great
> equalizer. It has motivated people to create Free systems and that
> includes free versions of some of the most popular, most expensive and
> most controlled personal computing software.
>
> If you flood my office with contributions, I'll publish what I can.
> What's really good I'll pass on to others to publish. There's no way
> that we'll sit on a valuable article just to pump some imagined value
> out of it.
>
> I'm open to any suggestions about how to provide this service. I'm a
> book guy and magazines are new to us. But I'm become zealous about this
> and I'm determined to see it through.
>
> Your thoughts are appreciated. I'm not a real member of these lists, so
> please let me know what the right procedure is for joining.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Mike Allison
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Tom:
Initially, our rates are:
- Continental US -- $25 (USD)
- Alaska, Hawaii, Canada -- $27 (USD) (Canada may be less if I can
swing it, or at least in Canadian funds... give me a few weeks.)
- Rest of the Americas -- $35 (USD)
- Worldwide -- $37 (USD)
All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada.
These rates are fixed until we go to press in May with issue 1. After
that they may change. If they change, they'll go up probably. If they
go down, I'll reinburse the diff. It is all affected by advertising and
I'm going to give it a while before I arrive at "FINAL" figures.
Anyone who subscribes before 1 May will lock into these rates for at
least 1 year. I'm loyal enough to think about that come next year too.
If you want to subscribe now, when we receive payment, we'll enter the
subscriptions, but keep the check or money order on file until the 1st
issue ships. That way, you're not paying for the product until it
ships.
You make payment (Check or Money Order [I'm probably the last person who
prefers a personal check, at least initially]) to:
Burning Eagle Books
And mail to:
Free Systems Journal
C/O Burning Eagle Books
1175 East Canyon Rd #17
Ogden, UT 84404-5972
ATTN: FSJ/Subs
Bottom line: If the rates go up, it'll be 2 or 3 dollars a year. So,
it's not the end of the world. But you'll get an issue when it comes
out, not when you remember to ask, after you see it on your neighbor's
desk.
Thanks,
-Mike
Tom Torrance at home wrote:
>
> Sounds interesting. What are the subscription rates set at?
>
> Regards,
> Tom
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Danny:
We have a retail book sales site and I discussed this very issue tonight
in theory. I don't think it's a problem, but let me talk nuts and
bolts... probably change the subscription agent....you'd still have to
mail the # to us, so there's not a security problem, not like we're
pressed for time, yet.
I'll get an answer tommorrow, post it to you and any sites...
Thanks, Danny.
-Mike
Daniel O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, mike allison wrote:
>
> > All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada.
>
> Any chance of credit card? Organising a foreign currency draft
> is a real pain. I'd be happy to pay the extra 4%.
>
> Danny
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> This is very interesting. We've been working on this project for a
> couple of weeks now and it was at the behest of Greg Lehey whom I've
> recruited, to write to FreeBSD and let everyone know. A couple of
> things I didn't put out, which I should have, is that I want to be able
> to allow for readers to make reasonable copies and that we will place
> back issues on the net (like you in multi formats, pdf, ps, etc). I
That sound very good.
> have no objections to writers doing FreeBSD and FreeBSD related stories
> to publishing them in your newletter, and vice versa. I'd also be
> willing to list a link to you newsletter and support it in any way
> feasible.
Excellent. All of our articles will also be freely redistributable,
so it sounds like we might actually wind up with a number of "pooled"
articles which exceed the number of FreeBSD related articles we could
otherwise generate alone. Since you're also going after a much wider
market, the FreeBSD related articles would be somewhat less crucial to
making up each issue. My position is somewhat harder - I can't just
pop in another article on Linux whenever I have a slack month. :-)
> I would certainly hope that we can all complement each other rather than
> compete and that readers will want to get as much "news" as possible.
Me too.
> Really, though, our desire is not to compete, but to expand. I think,
> in the long run, readers will have Free access to our magazine, they may
> need to pay for timely access, but ultimate access through the net,
> should be free as well. How free, price-wise, depends on our ability to
> find other funding through advertising, or ?.
Gotcha.
After reading this and some of your other replies, it sounds like my
worries were basically unfounded. In fact, I have to agree with the
other folks who said that FreeBSD exposure in a pan-Free-OS
publication may indeed be MORE valuable than one which preaches to the
converted, so to speak, so now I'm even more motivated to see both
publications succeed.
Please keep me posted as you get closer to getting this thing off the
ground. At some point, if you have some subscription cards made up
(which, of course, will directly mention FreeBSD as one of the markets
to which this publication is being pitched :), I think I can even get
Walnut Creek CDROM to stick them in with the FreeBSD orders for
awhile, if not on an ongoing basis. Same perhaps for Slackware,
though I'm not quite so empowered to speak on its behalf - I can at
least make the pitch. That would get you at least a few thousand new
contacts a month, and if even only 1% subscribed you'd probably do
pretty well.
Jordan
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mike allison <mallison@konnections.com> writes:
> Initially, our rates are:
>
> - Worldwide -- $37 (USD)
>
> All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada.
> You make payment (Check or Money Order [I'm probably the last person who
> prefers a personal check, at least initially]) to:
Is there any other way to pay, like VISA? It'd cost me almost as much
to raise a money order as it would to pay for the subscription !
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Paul:
As I stated yesterday, I'm working on a VISA agreement with our retail
affiliate. It's a bit different since they aren't really
sending/handling the product, but I'm sure we can work it out.
Otherwise, there are some cases where I will accept foreign funds. Most
countires currencies are stable enough that I don't need to worry, also
I have a UK address you might be able to send UK funds through.
Give me a day or so before we have to get creative. I think the VISA/MC
and American Express capability will be on line soon.
Thanks,
-Mike
Paul Richards wrote:
>
> mike allison <mallison@konnections.com> writes:
>
> > Initially, our rates are:
> >
> > - Worldwide -- $37 (USD)
> >
> > All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada.
>
> > You make payment (Check or Money Order [I'm probably the last person who
> > prefers a personal check, at least initially]) to:
>
> Is there any other way to pay, like VISA? It'd cost me almost as much
> to raise a money order as it would to pay for the subscription !
>
> --
> Dr Paul Richards. [p.richards@elsevier.co.uk]
> Originative Solutions Ltd. [paul@originat.demon.co.uk]
> Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155 (Elsevier)
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From: Andrew Perry <andrew@python.shoal.net.au>
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OK, how about we send any articles to Jordan and let him work out what to
do with them? Mine's only going to be about how to get on to FreeBSD and a
bit of mailing list etiquette I learned the hard way. Plus how friendly
the mailing list is and the secret to success (not that I'm succeeding).
Bite off more than you can chew, then chew real hard!!!
Never give up!!!
Andrew Perry
andrew@shoal.net.au
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Andrew:
Oh yah, that's fair... I want all the articles... : - }
Really, it doesn't matter to me. I think there's value there for both
of us, no matter how minute or trivial. But I think Jordan and I have
arrived at the same conclusion, so either of us will pass on what isn't
"wrong/illegal/illegitimate for us to pass on.....Jordan?
-Mike
Andrew Perry wrote:
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> OK, how about we send any articles to Jordan and let him work out what to
> do with them? Mine's only going to be about how to get on to FreeBSD and a
> bit of mailing list etiquette I learned the hard way. Plus how friendly
> the mailing list is and the secret to success (not that I'm succeeding).
> Bite off more than you can chew, then chew real hard!!!
>
> Never give up!!!
>
> Andrew Perry
> andrew@shoal.net.au
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> OK, how about we send any articles to Jordan and let him work out what to
> do with them? Mine's only going to be about how to get on to FreeBSD and a
That works for me! :-)
My announcement on this is still pending. Sorry, unexpected
travel intervened. :(
Jordan
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Hope I picked the right list, didn't seem like a problem for either current
or stable.
For the past two days I have been trying to SUP 2.2 from
sup.freebsd.org. I keep getting supfilesrv not known, trying port
(something like 26753 or something up there) at any rate, is the sup daemon
down? Or is sup being discontinued or what?
Thanks
Dan
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As The Old Wolf wrote:
> Hope I picked the right list, didn't seem like a problem for either current
> or stable.
Only technical questions are off-topic on the chat list. :-)
> For the past two days I have been trying to SUP 2.2 from
> sup.freebsd.org. I keep getting supfilesrv not known, trying port
> (something like 26753 or something up there) at any rate, is the sup daemon
> down? Or is sup being discontinued or what?
You've got it: sup has been sort-of discontinued. Perhaps you might
find still some serving providing this service, but it's strongly
recommended to switch to CTM or CVSup.
--
cheers, J"org
joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE
Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)