From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 02:12:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18819 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 02:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18814 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 02:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [194.176.130.14] (serialA0d.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29697; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:11:59 GMT X-Sender: robmel@mailhost.innotts.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199703160047.TAA02761@crh.cl.msu.edu> References: <5gffl5$4h9$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:10:37 +0000 To: Charles Henrich , grog@lemis.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: "The competition" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id CAA18815 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 7:47 pm -0500 15/3/97, Charles Henrich wrote: >FreeBSD: What else? > >--- > >Your looking for a high performance operating system, one geared towards your >server environment, where high quality, high reliability and security are key. >In the vast sea of Operating Systems what do you choose? FreeBSD, there is no >other choice. I'm not sure that you're not missing the point. There is a difference between simple "informative" advertising (our widgets do this, that and the other thing), and product "sensitivity". The advert for Red Hat which started this strand was the latter. The only thing it said about Linux is that you get the source, but it was posed in such a way as to sensitise hacker types to the freedom and control that Linux supposedly gives them, and the key message was that "you are one of us, we understand you -- come join us". The purpose of this kind of ad is to say "hey! we're over here" to people locked into other brands. The assumption is that they will then like the *concept* of your product and go on to to find out more. A good example is car ads.. a bad example is Apple computers advertising (in Europe at least) at the moment (it says "hey! look at our product, it can run Windows too" :/ ). I would have thought that if you guys want to splurge FreeBSD, the key market is small/medium system managers who are looking to shift over to the Inter/intranet. They may already be running/fed up with/paying through the nose for Novell, NT, Apple servers, SCO, HPUX, DEC etc, and would probably try something new if they had a concept of it. They need to be reassured that free software isn't * cobbled together by amateurs * Full of holes * flaky * an application-free zone * a support-free zone Since FreeBSD is none of these things (as those of us who've taken the plunge can testify) we've got a flying start. But the first step is to catch their attention and get them to consider us as an option. By all means give the down and dirty information in the small print, but focus on the /concept/ if you want impact. Regards Robin. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 07:22:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA01201 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 07:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on9-25.netcom.ca [207.181.83.89]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01192 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 07:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA06048; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:21:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:21:41 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: The Hermit Hacker cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "The competition" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > > My father have worked with writing ad copy, but don't have the > > technical side. > > > Brian?? Where are you? :) Uh, what? Me? Ummmmm... how about, "FreeBSD: Leverage *this*!" (sorry, I'm in my anti-corporate squid mood right now) ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 07:54:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03542 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 07:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03530 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 07:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA00587; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:54:28 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703161554.KAA00587@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: "The competition" To: robmel@innotts.co.uk (Robin Melville) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:54:28 -0500 (EST) Cc: grog@lemis.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Robin Melville at "Mar 16, 97 10:10:37 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm not sure that you're not missing the point. There is a difference between simple "informative" advertising (our widgets do this, that and the other thing) , and product "sensitivity". The advert for Red Hat which started this strand wa s the latter. The only thing it said about Linux is that you get the source, but it was posed in such a way as to sensitise hacker types to the freedom and cont rol that Linux supposedly gives them, and the key message was that "you are one of us, we understand you -- come join us". Absolutely, but what target market do we want? 13 year olds in front of Pentiums, or the server role in ISP's and corporate America? Traditionally FreeBSD has been marketed at the server role, and I think thats where we want it. Linux is for Play, FreeBSD is for Work. (course it plays just as well too). -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 17:27:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09614 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09576 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA23630 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:39:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA23126 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:39:12 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15572; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:28:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19970317002814.OD24450@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:28:14 +0100 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD chat list) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE is now available from ftp.freebsd.org References: <19970316214609.LN24277@uriah.heep.sax.de> <6610.858547363@critter.dk.tfs.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <6610.858547363@critter.dk.tfs.com>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Mar 16, 1997 22:22:43 +0100 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Well, Jordan, don't you think we should send Joerg his own "FreeBSD > Release Engineer Hat" ? He has really deserved it. Hmm, no, i really don't like hats very much. Maybe helmets, but only while riding motor-bikes... > Here's to Joerg, the release-engineer for FreeBSD 2.2 and 3.0!!! > > What do you mean "WHAT??" ? > > Didn't you even read it before you signed it ? Ah, the little footnotes. I almost miss these parts, too bad. > Well, that is really far too late now. Your name is on the contract and > you are the stuckee for 3.0 as well! Ah, 3.0 only? That's great! So it must be that it were the footnotes of your releng contract that bound you to be the release engineer for 2.2.1? Fine with me! *evily grin* -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 20:35:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19166 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19158 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin.inna.net (jamie@dolphin.inna.net [206.151.66.2]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12541 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:40:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: slogan Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreBSD: The net as it should be. Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 21:05:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20024 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gptmail.globalpac.com (GPTMAIL.GLOBALPAC.COM [206.170.230.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20010 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bomber.Globalpac ([207.215.173.87]) by gptmail.globalpac.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-13502) with ESMTP id AAA152 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:09:02 -0800 Message-ID: <332CD06B.76FD@globalpac.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:02:36 -0800 From: bomber@globalpac.com (bomber) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: new slogan X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD: Your mother would be proud. :) Tony. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 01:11:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA01150 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (root@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01145 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from grfpc1 (monty-port36.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.46]) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05851 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 19:11:02 +1000 (EST) Received: by grfpc1 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC330F.47D998A0@grfpc1>; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:10:38 +-1000 Message-ID: <01BC330F.47D998A0@grfpc1> From: Andrew Perry To: "'chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: slogan Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:01:40 +-1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD: unleash the power of the internet! FreeBSD: built for the internet! FreeBSD: Where do you want to go tomorrow!! (hehehe) FreeBSD: built to GO somewhere, not just BE somewhere! FreeBSD: do you fit the legend!! apologies if i've stolen any of these from anyone (especially if i get into trouble!) Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 12:18:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02170 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02164 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08439 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:12:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: slogan In-Reply-To: <01BC330F.47D998A0@grfpc1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Maybe-- FreeBSD: The Operating System of the Internet Here are a couple of "takes" directed toward the Win95 market (people who probably aren't reading Sys Admin magazine) ________________ You've hacked the '95 registry and downloaded powertoys-- and discovered that they're just that, toys. You've gone about as far as you can go with Windows 95. You're in a box that Microsoft built. It's time to get out. It's time to get a real operating system, multi-user, multi-tasking, Internet capable, an operating system with all the programs and utilities you need not just to connect to your ISP, but to be one if you want to. An operating system that comes with source code, runs on your pc, and can be downloaded free over the Internet. An operating system in the great tradition of Berkeley unix. Set yourself free Get the source Get FreeBSD Or similarly: You've hacked the '95 registry. You've downloaded powertoys and discovered that they're just that -- toys. You're young, you're smart, and let's face it, you're bored. You've gone about as far as you can go with Windows 95. You're ready for a real operating system for your pc -- multi-user, multi-tasking, Internet capable--not only as a client, but as a server. An operating system in the great tradition of Berkeley unix. You don't just want to connect to an ISP....you're thinking of becoming one. You want to write your own bot, run your own web server, compile your own kernel, hack the system code. Make the world. Make the world yours. Get FreeBSD. The Operating System of the Internet -- Annelise From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 12:28:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02715 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02710 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04404; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:28:40 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA143320518; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:28:38 GMT Message-Id: <332DA976.3E7@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:28:38 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slogan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You're in a box that Microsoft built. It's time to get out. I *love* this line! -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 13:57:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07182 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07169; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from packet.eng.umd.edu (packet.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.184]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18336; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by packet.eng.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA03439; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: packet.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:57:32 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@packet.eng.umd.edu To: Annelise Anderson cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chuckr@freebsd.org Subject: RE: slogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Annelise Anderson wrote: > Maybe-- I think this is just excellent, so naturally I'm going to nitpick. I am one of those that wants to add more folks, at the risk of getting more folks that need handholding, so I want to dumb one thing down, and add reference to our port collection (indirectly). I took out the place where the word "source" was (I think that might scare some folks) but left in where it said "compile your own kernel". Really just a matter of cutting and pasting, mostly (Wonderful job, Annelise!) That said, I'm not going to directly include what Annelise wrote, I am cutting and pasting her two options in what pleases me best. I expect (hope for) more criticism! Understand that she wrote this, I don't want you thinking it's my idea (I wish it was...) [steal mode on] FreeBSD: The Operating System of the Internet You've hacked the '95 registry and downloaded powertoys-- and discovered that they're just that, toys. You've gone about as far as you can go with Windows 95. You're in a box that Microsoft built. It's time to get out. You're ready for a real operating system for your pc -- multi-user, multi-tasking, Internet capable--not only as a client, but as a server. An operating system in the great tradition of Berkeley unix, with hundreds of ready to run, free applications. You don't just want to connect to an ISP....you're thinking of becoming one. You want to write your own bot, run your own web server, compile your own kernel, hack the system code. Make the world. [back to me] I think that's really something. How about some suggestions for various graphics? More than one, please, this is sounding like a brochure, not a one pager, so multiple graphics would be needed. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 14:12:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07946 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07938 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:12:44 -0800 (PST) From: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz Message-Id: <199703172212.OAA07938@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from tpc-pc1 by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:37:22 +1200 Comments: Authenticated sender is Organization: Television Production Centre, Massey Univer To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:36:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Speaking of PR Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With all the discussion here about promotion and PR I thought I'd copy this to the list, from the regular "SpaceNews" bulletin posted to sci.space.news: -----8<-----cut here-----8<----- ========= SpaceNews ========= MONDAY MARCH 17, 1997 SpaceNews originates at KD2BD in Wall Township, New Jersey, USA. It is published every week and is made available for non-commercial use. [...deleted....] * LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 * ========================== The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a US Space Shuttle mission. Bruce Perens reports that a Debian distribution of Linux will be used on Shuttle mission STS-83 as part of a hydroponics experiment. The hydroponics experiment will test the feasibility of growing plants without soil in space that could eventually provide oxygen and food to astronauts. Sebastian Kuzminsky, an engineer working on the computer that controls the experiment which is operated by Biosciences Corporation said, "The experiment studies the growth of plants in microgravity. It uses a miniature 486 PC-compatible computer, the Ampro CoreModule 4DXi. Debian GNU/Linux is loaded on this system in place of DOS or Windows. The fragility and power drain of disk drives ruled them out for this experiment, and a solid-state disk replacement from the SanDisk company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10 watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on STS-83 is to control water and light for the growing plants as well as send telemetry and video of the plants to scientists on the ground. Linux is a commercial-free operating system designed over the past several years by programmers using the Internet to exchange their ideas and code. It offers features (including AX.25 packet radio networking) and capabilities unmatched by commercial operating systems at any price. Linux was successfully used during Shuttle mission STS-75 in support of the tether experiments carried out on that mission. The ground-based software designed for the tether experiments was originally written on a 64-bit DEC Alpha computer running Digital Unix, and as Linux is similar to Unix in design and structure, it was a simple matter to port the software from the Alpha to a 32-bit IBM Thinkpad laptop running Linux that was carried on the Shuttle. More information on Linux may be found on the World Wide Web at the following URL: http://www.linux.org -- Craig Harding Acting Director, Massey University Television Production Centre "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 15:15:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11418 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.hda.com (ip96-max1-fitch.ziplink.net [199.232.245.96]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11355; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA19775; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:31:36 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199703172131.QAA19775@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: slogan In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "Mar 17, 97 04:57:32 pm" To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:31:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, chuckr@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... I have one other note: if anything leads to wide spread concern about MS it will be that they are potentially everyman's competetitor, from banking to toys to news to entertainment to classified ads. If they think they can match their historic growth rate in your industry then there will immediately be an effective, smart, aggressive VP in Charge of Your Industry, previous "partners" are out, and each MS based PC and server you buy directly funds what may be your most cut throat competitor. I think this should somehow be implied. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 15:21:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11769 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.hda.com (ip96-max1-fitch.ziplink.net [199.232.245.96]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11764 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA19786; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:37:46 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199703172137.QAA19786@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of PR In-Reply-To: <199703172212.OAA07938@freefall.freebsd.org> from "C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz" at "Mar 18, 97 09:36:56 am" To: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:37:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > With all the discussion here about promotion and PR I thought I'd > copy this to the list, from the regular "SpaceNews" bulletin posted > to sci.space.news: Linux also gets a "plug" of sort in todays New York Times. At the end of an article about "hackers" on the internet their is a reference to a security consultant (picture in sandals, long hair, and beard with his lap top in Boca Raton, FL) and that he uses many powerful computers running "Linux, a shareware operating system preferred by hackers on the Internet" (paraphrase). -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 21:58:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05403 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05398 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA02687; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:57:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "K. Marsh" cc: Intuitive Design Archive , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers Slogans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, K. Marsh wrote: > > Here's a few FreeBSD Slogan ideas: > > fbsd - 32 bits for under a buck. > > Bill who? > > fbsd - Magic without the cookies. I love 'em!!! :) Followups redirected to freebsd-chat... -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 22:07:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05924 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdext.amd.com (amdext.amd.com [139.95.251.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05909; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdint.amd.com (amdint.amd.com [139.95.250.1]) by amdext.amd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AMD) with ESMTP id WAA15012; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgp.amd.com (sgp.amd.com [101.0.0.64]) by amdint.amd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AMD) with SMTP id WAA16458; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from dahlia.amd.com by sgp.amd.com (4.1/AMDSH-1.20) id AA12004; Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:07:19 SST Received: by dahlia.amd.com (4.0/AMDC-1.20) id AA03529; Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:00:58 SST From: peter@sgp.amd.com (Peter) Message-Id: <9703180600.AA03529@dahlia.amd.com> Subject: unsubscribe To: owner-freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:00:57 WST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 22:07:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05928 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdext.amd.com (amdext.amd.com [139.95.251.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05911; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdint.amd.com (amdint.amd.com [139.95.250.1]) by amdext.amd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AMD) with ESMTP id WAA15012; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgp.amd.com (sgp.amd.com [101.0.0.64]) by amdint.amd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AMD) with SMTP id WAA16458; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from dahlia.amd.com by sgp.amd.com (4.1/AMDSH-1.20) id AA12004; Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:07:19 SST Received: by dahlia.amd.com (4.0/AMDC-1.20) id AA03529; Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:00:58 SST From: peter@sgp.amd.com (Peter) Message-Id: <9703180600.AA03529@dahlia.amd.com> Subject: unsubscribe To: owner-freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:00:57 WST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 23:10:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA09512 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09498; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA09262; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:09:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:09:23 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Chuck Robey cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chuckr@freebsd.org Subject: RE: slogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I liked your changes, Chuck. > How about some suggestions for various > graphics? More than one, please, this is sounding like a brochure, not a > one pager, so multiple graphics would be needed. I incorporated most of them and marked it up with a little (a very little) html and put it on my web server at http://andrsn.stanford.edu/FreeBSD/aa.html. It doesn't look too bad. I'd be inclined toward a background graphic of the globe/world in a man's hand--not very original, I guess. Annelise From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 18 11:30:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20654 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20644 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA15946 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:30:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA19800 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:38:27 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:38:27 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199703181938.UAA19800@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Just for grin - NT 4.0 SP2 hotfixes Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For those collecting arguments against NT and pro free OSs and the way bugs are fixed in FreeBSD, here for your refreshment: ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-public/fixes/usa/nt40/hotfixes-postSP 2 Read the knowledgebase reports (KB) starting with Q##### -- Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 18 16:23:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15497 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mer-decxl.itconsult.co.uk (itconsult.co.uk [194.193.251.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15101 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ap121-12.itl.net (ap121-12.itl.net [194.145.12.121]) by mer-decxl.itconsult.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.12) with ESMTP id ma021072 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:22:45 +0000 From: "Roland Blampied" To: Subject: FreeBSD CD-ROM Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:19:07 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <00224513301730@user.itconsult.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Being a bit of a newbie to all this, I was wondering if it is possible to re-create the FreeBSD CD from files freely available for FTP download. If it is possible, I just need to know what the Root of the CD will contain, and where to get those files. Thanks in advance. Roland Blampied MCP From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 18 23:51:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10238 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10231 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA01149; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:51:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10898; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:48:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19970319084817.YH28047@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:48:17 +0100 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Rat@User.ITconsult.co.uk (Roland Blampied) Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD-ROM References: <00224513301730@user.itconsult.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <00224513301730@user.itconsult.co.uk>; from Roland Blampied on Mar 19, 1997 00:19:07 -0000 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Roland Blampied wrote: > Being a bit of a newbie to all this, I was wondering if it is possible to > re-create the FreeBSD CD from files freely available for FTP download. > If it is possible, I just need to know what the Root of the CD will > contain, and where to get those files. The official FreeBSD CD-ROM is copyright by Walnut Creek CD-ROM, naturally, since they're doing the compilation of that medium. If all you need however is an installation CD-ROM, it's as simple as getting the files from your closest FreeBSD mirror. The base directory of a release should look like: /usr/release/R/ftp: ABOUT.TXT compat1x/ dict/ HARDWARE.TXT proflibs/ bin/ compat20/ doc/ info/ README.TXT catpages/ compat21/ floppies/ INSTALL.TXT RELNOTES.TXT cdrom.inf des/ games/ manpages/ src/ Copy all of this to a CD. Don't forget the cdrom.inf file. Don't fetch the des/ directory from a US mirror, you know they'll get problems if you do this. Pick one of the international mirrors if you think you need DES or Kerberos (like ftp.de.freebsd.org, or ftp.internat.freebsd.org). It depends on your needs whether you're also going to put ports and/or packages there. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 00:44:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12209 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from inter01.lion.net ([195.50.148.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12198 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from inter05.lion.net ([206.175.32.67]) by inter01.lion.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA1689; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:43:22 +0100 Received: from lucky.lion.de (lucky [192.109.89.2]) by inter05.lion.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00671; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:43:06 +0100 Received: from brian.lion.de by lucky.lion.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id JAA28886; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:42:25 +0100 Received: from localhost by brian.lion.de (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02434; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:41:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:41:51 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Haas To: Roland Blampied Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <00224513301730@user.itconsult.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Roland Blampied wrote: > Being a bit of a newbie to all this, I was wondering if it is possible to > re-create the FreeBSD CD from files freely available for FTP download. > If it is possible, I just need to know what the Root of the CD will > contain, and where to get those files. Look at your local freeBSD-mirror and jump into a *-RELEASE directory (* means 2.1.7 or 2.2) In there you'll find all files needed for a cd. Just copy the whole directory structure onto a cd, make a bootfloppy (in the floppies directory) and off you go... Christoph -- Christoph Haas o.tel.o GmbH | Never trust an operating UNIX Sysadmin Universitaetsstrasse 140| system you don't have the 44799 Bochum / Germany | sources for. mailto:haas@lion.de http://www.o-tel-o.de | http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 03:39:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17443 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA17437 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12757; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:39:59 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:39:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speaking of PR In-Reply-To: <199703172212.OAA07938@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz wrote: > * LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 * > ========================== > The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a > > > company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10 > watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on > Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT.. So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission then this minimal power drain thing is important.. Although I don't know why this wasn't done on an ARM chip of some sort, if power was important.. oh blah blah.. Steve. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 04:52:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA20143 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20136 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA15499; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:53:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703191253.EAA15499@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Stephen Roome cc: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speaking of PR In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:39:59 GMT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:53:40 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz wrote: >> * LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 * >> ========================== >> The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a >> >> >> company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10 >> watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on >> > >Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere >in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT.. >So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission >then this minimal power drain thing is important.. Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 07:05:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24727 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24720 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15756; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:06:14 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:06:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current and -stable mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > >Actually I think it would be a fairly good idea to remove the tag > >altogether and have some documentation which says which one to get. > > Here I agree. This is the important bit I think, does anyone else agree ? Steve. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 07:16:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25273 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25255; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15898; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:16:21 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:16:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: David Greenman cc: pds@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking of PR - update FAQ's ? In-Reply-To: <199703191253.EAA15499@root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, David Greenman wrote: > >On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz wrote: > >> * LINUX TO FLY ON STS-83 * > >> ========================== > >> The Linux operating system will again ride into space in support of a > >> > >> > >> company is used in their place. The entire system uses only 10 > >> watts". The primary role of Linux in the hydroponics experiment on > >> > > > >Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere > >in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT.. > >So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission > >then this minimal power drain thing is important.. > > Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM > configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too. Apologies, It's still in the documentation though, well, it's in the FAQ Question 93... (This FAQ was the one that came with 3.0-970209-SNAP... perhaps it needs updating to show that FreeBSD now runs just as cool as Linux =) ) > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 09:18:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09284 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [128.120.175.23]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09266; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (reqd-020.ucdavis.edu [128.120.251.140]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA01326; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:20:34 GMT Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA01297; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:18:30 GMT Message-ID: <19970319091830.15402@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:30 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Stephen Roome Cc: David Greenman , pds@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking of PR - update FAQ's ? References: <199703191253.EAA15499@root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.66 Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com X-Warning: Mutt Bites! Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM > > configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too. > > Apologies, It's still in the documentation though, well, it's in the FAQ > Question 93... I just updated the FAQ w/respect to this. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 09:40:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10575 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10567 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA29335; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:39:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:39:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703191739.KAA29335@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dg@root.com Cc: Stephen Roome , C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speaking of PR In-Reply-To: <199703191253.EAA15499@root.com> References: <199703191253.EAA15499@root.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Doesn't Linux run cooler than FreeBSD though, it even says so somewhere > >in the docs.. (no I don't know where) about how Linux uses HALT.. > >So obviously if someone wants FreeBSD used on a space shuttle mission > >then this minimal power drain thing is important.. > > Uh, FreeBSD *does* use HALT in the idle routine...unless you have APM > configured in which case it can put the CPU in a low power mode, too. And APM can be configured to still use HALT as well if you want it to. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 00:51:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03105 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ami.tom.computerworks.net (root@AMI.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.95.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA03100; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com by ami.tom.computerworks.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0w7dUD-0021oUC; Thu, 20 Mar 97 03:46 EST Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA19687; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:26:23 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199703200126.TAA19687@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of PR - update FAQ's ? To: steve@visint.co.uk (Stephen Roome) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:26:22 -0600 (CST) Cc: dg@root.com, pds@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Stephen Roome" at Mar 19, 97 03:16:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Apologies, It's still in the documentation though, well, it's in the FAQ > Question 93... > (This FAQ was the one that came with 3.0-970209-SNAP... > perhaps it needs updating to show that FreeBSD now runs just as cool > as Linux =) ) I'll get this fix into the FAQ as soon as I've redone the last set of changes I made, 'cos either they didn't get in or someone submitted a set of changes that were based on an earlier version of the FAQ and overwrote them. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 04:23:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA10910 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA10902 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA02334; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:25:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703201225.EAA02334@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: chat@freebsd.org cc: tech@cdrom.com, ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: new traffic record for wcarchive From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:25:20 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We set a new one-day traffic record on wcarchive yesterday, March 19th. This beat the old record of 142.8GB by about 4%. The unusually high numbers for FreeBSD are due of course to the recent releases of FreeBSD 2.2 and 2.1.7.1. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > ************************************* > *** Statistics for : Mar 20, 1997 *** > ************************************* > > Files transferred : 735,105 > Bytes transferred : 148,365,901,375 > > Total FTP HTTP FTP HTTP Total Total >Archive Name Bytes(k) Bytes(k) Bytes(k) Files Files %Bytes %Files >-------------- ------------ ----------- ----------- ------ ------ ------ ------ >_FreeBSD 46,385,661 46,122,559 263,102 242407 1920 31.26 33.24 >_gamesdomain 18,668,316 18,589,366 78,950 2837 102 12.58 0.40 >_linux 17,534,217 17,192,984 341,232 68046 5050 11.82 9.94 >_simtelnet 14,225,486 9,632,448 4,593,038 25097 13296 9.59 5.22 >_idgames 8,953,505 8,228,033 725,472 17715 5916 6.03 3.21 >_games 7,277,818 7,035,975 241,843 19089 3433 4.91 3.06 >_demos 6,200,589 4,446,702 1,753,887 20623 14969 4.18 4.84 >_XFree86 5,561,410 5,559,416 1,994 6020 103 3.75 0.83 >_idgames2 5,193,940 3,340,140 1,853,800 18249 15279 3.50 4.56 >_windows 3,424,663 3,101,118 323,545 6333 5041 2.31 1.55 >_povray 2,999,099 2,927,112 71,986 1995 947 2.02 0.40 >_tex 1,618,273 1,163,253 455,020 11989 4296 1.09 2.22 >_dresden 1,177,309 930,977 246,332 3267 2019 0.79 0.72 >_mac 1,104,853 1,104,853 0 6706 0 0.74 0.91 >_os2 870,870 707,826 163,043 2825 1689 0.59 0.61 >_perl 712,781 696,409 16,372 15195 320 0.48 2.11 ... >-------------- ------------ ----------- ----------- ------ ------ ------ ------ >67 archives 148,365,901 135,046,537 13,317,655 488594 246488 ~100.0 ~100.0 From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 04:29:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11130 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11125 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA02388; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:30:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703201230.EAA02388@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: chat@freebsd.org cc: tech@cdrom.com, ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Re: new traffic record for wcarchive From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:30:53 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >This beat the old record of 142.8GB by about 4%. The unusually high numbers Oh, I forgot to mention that the old record was set on Feb. 20th. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 08:05:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA21050 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21030; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip190.konnections.com [192.41.71.190]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA26669; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:04:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3332B065.A859E43@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:59:33 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org CC: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Free Systems Journal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey All: Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming publication: "The Free Systems Journal" We will feature coverage of all (well almost) Free/Open unix(like) systems and FreeDOS. This includes FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, Minix, ELKS, UZI(possibly) and whatever else we can find interest in. We will be a raw publication focusing on content, not style or looks. I plan on limiting it to black and white, forever. Coverage will include: X Window Installation adn configuration Troubleshooting Real world applications Letters Readers' Opinions Hardware issues like: Minimal systems Top end systems Hardware testing & review Laptops Software issues like: Distributions FreeWare CommercialWare Humor How to live without Microsoft User Artwork (B&W) Hacking/Programming System specific issues.... ? Our motiviation centers around Linux Journal's desire to stay strictly Linux focused. This is not a bad decision on their part, but it leaves a void for the other systems. We need contributors to offer articles, tips, opinion, artwork, in the following areas: #1. Real world applications. Descriptions, problems, solutions and the TRUTH about what these systems CAN and CAN'T do in the real world. (1000 to 4000 words) #2. Software reviews. What applications work, and what don't, especially which ones are very strong or very weak. (500 to 2000 words) [Bigger apps and CommercialWare apps may run longer where necessary] #3. Configuration Details. Especially for useful supporting apps that may be harder to do like Sendmail, fax, any big packages. (500 to 3000 words). #4. Hardware configuration issues. Especially for the lesser used systems, i.e. minix, ELKS, Hurd, NetBSD on parted architectures (like NeXT [sorry, that was just what I'm waiting to see]) (1500 to 4000 words) #5. Humor...? 1 to 4000 words....pictures? #6. Tips, usually less than 500 words. #7. Experimental stuff....? 1 to ? words, I'm willing to go serial on these if they're REALLY GOOD. #8. Newbie stuff, if you're just getting started but you have something GOOD to say. #9. Book reviews -- Starting with non-linux systems, then Linux, then Unix in general, then anything else. #10. Anything else well written. I'm very serious about new writers and unique stuff. I'm not a traditional guy, nor are most of you, that's why we're here. I just want to see good stuff. We will pay for most contributions, although not for the smaller stuff. You will get the satisfaction of being published and the exposure. You won't get rich, and I'm starting to think that we won't either. But I want to break even and get word out on the street. ALSO: If you're a company and you'd like advertising space, we have up to 10 pages of advertising available from full page to 1/16th page. We have a set rate, but I'm willing to exchange goods and services as partial payment, especially for small/struggling companies. I'm willing to do about anything to help out. Big firms are stuck with the rates, but I will still negotiate hardware/software as partial payment. Send your inquiries to: mallison@konnections.com or Burning Eagle Books 1175 East Canyon Rd #17 Ogden, UTAH 84404-5972 ATTN: FSJ/Advert REVIEWS: You may submit hardware, software and books for testing and review to: Burning Eagle Books 1175 East Canyon Rd #17 Ogden, UTAH 84404-5972 ATTN: FSJ/Reviews Any questions or input are welcome. Write directly to me at: Mike Allison mallison@konnections.com Thanks, -Mike From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 09:53:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27059 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27041; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA01586; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: mike allison cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:59:33 MST." <3332B065.A859E43@konnections.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1582.858880382@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hey All: > > Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming > publication: > > "The Free Systems Journal" This sounds like a great offering, though I do feel compelled to note that before people jump on board too quickly with this, the FreeBSD Project, in cooperation with Walnut Creek CDROM, is also just now launching "The FreeBSD Newsletter" and will be sending it out free of charge to all interested FreeBSD customers (2.2's recently introduced registration form has a subscription option for it). I mention this now because I am, in fact, currently seeking articles for the first issue, something I was going to announce tomorrow but your announcement sort of galvanized me into action a bit sooner. :) My worry is that two startup publications devoted to this segment of free software market will quickly deplete the available articles, already in rather short supply, and I wonder how we might work this out. It's also going to be possible for me to collect name & address info directly from the installed base, as well as give away free advertising space to FreeBSD related vendors, so it strikes me as a definite possibility that one publication could sort of hamper the growth of the other from a surplus of advantage if we don't work out some more cooperative arrangement. I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this. It's also the objective of the FreeBSD Newsletter to be available in a wide variety of media, including postscript paper copies, ascii (for email) and HTML for the WWW site(s). Back issues will also be kept on www.freebsd.org and distributed with future CDROM distributions. Given that this will probably be nothing like the slick, glossy, full-color periodicals you get from folks like the Linux Journal (and possibly this Free Software Journal), I having had something more like USENIX's ";login" newsletter in mind, perhaps there is ample room in the market for both publications if we play this reasonably cooperatively. If nothing else, the Free Software Journal will be paying its contributors and may therefore attract a different caliber of writer. :) Comments? Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 11:19:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01400 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01376 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA00998 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703201918.OAA00998@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: RSA Contest To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:18:31 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well I've stopped the rc5 processes on my machines, the server hasnt been responding for days. This contest has shown me very clearly, that a 56 bit is pretty damn secure. If 10,000+ machines cant find it in 5 weeks, its good enough for me. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 11:41:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02636 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-11.netcom.ca [207.181.94.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02626 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA01624; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:41:25 -0400 (AST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:41:25 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA Contest In-Reply-To: <199703201918.OAA00998@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > Well I've stopped the rc5 processes on my machines, the server hasnt been > responding for days. > > This contest has shown me very clearly, that a 56 bit is pretty damn secure. > If 10,000+ machines cant find it in 5 weeks, its good enough for me. > Well, 3 of those weeks have been spent with half the time in trying to even talk to the server itself :( From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 11:49:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02922 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02900; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA06576; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:54:54 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199703201854.TAA06576@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:54:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: mallison@konnections.com, FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <1582.858880382@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 20, 97 09:52:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > launching "The FreeBSD Newsletter" and will be sending it out free of > charge to all interested FreeBSD customers (2.2's recently introduced > registration form has a subscription option for it). > > I mention this now because I am, in fact, currently seeking articles > for the first issue, something I was going to announce tomorrow but > your announcement sort of galvanized me into action a bit sooner. :) what would be the intended (prevalent) audience of "The FreeBSD Newsletter", hobbyists, industrial/commercial users, research oriented people ? I guess that something along the lines of chapters of "The Complete FreeBSD" on various system configuration issues would be of interest to many people, but perhaps not that rewarding to write (because of the need of filling up the details). Conversely, some nice articles on the internals of FreeBSD would be much more interesting to write, but perhaps have a much more limited audience (not to mention that those able to write them might simply not have the time to). Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 12:50:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06357 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06352 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02751; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:30:19 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA Contest In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:18:31 EST." <199703201918.OAA00998@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:30:19 -0800 Message-ID: <2746.858889819@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well I've stopped the rc5 processes on my machines, the server hasnt been > responding for days. I'm surprised you held out that long - I killed mine weeks ago. :-) The contest basically fell apart, from everything I could see. I'm also not sure if the original objectives were met and I've got fairly grave doubts that any 10,000 machines ever participated *effectively* during this run. There was so much syn-flooding and general network mayhem going on that I'll bet if anyone ever does the final and honest accounting for this, based on the number of key cracks actually performed, you'll probably find that only about 500 machine's worth of pure 24/7 crunching was achieved (or something close to an order of magnitude less than the numbers being claimed). Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 13:40:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09083 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09055; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA08281; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:39:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:39:14 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: mike allison , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal In-Reply-To: <1582.858880382@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hey All: > > > > Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming > > publication: > > > > "The Free Systems Journal" > > I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this. > > > Comments? > > Jordan > just my 2 cents maybe we should send articles to both, FreeBSD people will certainly support the new newsletter (which I think is a great idea, will you be sending them to australia? otherwise i can live with e-mail) but if we have articles in the Free Systems Journal as well that may generate interest in FreeBSD from non FreeBSD users. Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 13:52:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10080 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10059; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip190.konnections.com [192.41.71.190]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA29986; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:52:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <333301D2.5F697155@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:46:58 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Perry CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew: I don't think my other response was posted to the whole net, (I'll see what I can do). Basically, I told Jordan that my desire was to allow for reasonable copies of articles in the journal and that we'd post back copies, after a proscribed period, onto the net in various formats. Along with this I would be willing to allow reprints in the newsletter, or more realistically, the rights would revert back to the author who could then offer them up to the newsletter. At the same time, I wouldn't keep from publishing a good article, just because it appeared someplace else (keeping with copyright restrictions, of course). I said I like to look at this as a way to "expand" exposure not compete for it. Anything I haven't thoght of? -Mike Andrew Perry wrote: > > > > > > Hey All: > > > > > > Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming > > > publication: > > > > > > "The Free Systems Journal" > > > > I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this. > > > > > > Comments? > > > > Jordan > > > just my 2 cents > maybe we should send articles to both, FreeBSD people will certainly > support the new newsletter (which I think is a great idea, will you be > sending them to australia? otherwise i can live with e-mail) but if we > have articles in the Free Systems Journal as well that may generate > interest in FreeBSD from non FreeBSD users. > > Andrew Perry > andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 13:56:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10423 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10402; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip207.konnections.com [192.41.71.207]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA00120; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:55:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3333026C.4D412594@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:50:22 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org CC: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: Free Systems Journal] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mike allison wrote: > > Jordon: > > This is very interesting. We've been working on this project for a > couple of weeks now and it was at the behest of Greg Lehey whom I've > recruited, to write to FreeBSD and let everyone know. A couple of > things I didn't put out, which I should have, is that I want to be able > to allow for readers to make reasonable copies and that we will place > back issues on the net (like you in multi formats, pdf, ps, etc). I > have no objections to writers doing FreeBSD and FreeBSD related stories > to publishing them in your newletter, and vice versa. I'd also be > willing to list a link to you newsletter and support it in any way > feasible. > > I would certainly hope that we can all complement each other rather than > compete and that readers will want to get as much "news" as possible. > It's hard to say that a free newsletter threatens our market, but I see > a very real concern regarding article availability. > > Rather than deplete that pool however, I want to offer it greater > exposure. Again, although we may pay, the amount isn't going to be a > GREAT attraction (although somehting is better than nothing in that > regard). > > Really, though, our desire is not to compete, but to expand. I think, > in the long run, readers will have Free access to our magazine, they may > need to pay for timely access, but ultimate access through the net, > should be free as well. How free, price-wise, depends on our ability to > find other funding through advertising, or ?. > > Please respond with you comments and thank you for your letter > > Thanks, > > -Mike > > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > Hey All: > > > > > > Burning Eagle Book Company would like to announce our forthcoming > > > publication: > > > > > > "The Free Systems Journal" > > > > This sounds like a great offering, though I do feel compelled to note > > that before people jump on board too quickly with this, the FreeBSD > > Project, in cooperation with Walnut Creek CDROM, is also just now > > launching "The FreeBSD Newsletter" and will be sending it out free of > > charge to all interested FreeBSD customers (2.2's recently introduced > > registration form has a subscription option for it). > > > > I mention this now because I am, in fact, currently seeking articles > > for the first issue, something I was going to announce tomorrow but > > your announcement sort of galvanized me into action a bit sooner. :) > > > > My worry is that two startup publications devoted to this segment of > > free software market will quickly deplete the available articles, > > already in rather short supply, and I wonder how we might work this > > out. It's also going to be possible for me to collect name & address > > info directly from the installed base, as well as give away free > > advertising space to FreeBSD related vendors, so it strikes me as a > > definite possibility that one publication could sort of hamper the > > growth of the other from a surplus of advantage if we don't work out > > some more cooperative arrangement. > > > > I'd welcome suggestions as to how we might handle this. > > > > It's also the objective of the FreeBSD Newsletter to be available in a > > wide variety of media, including postscript paper copies, ascii (for > > email) and HTML for the WWW site(s). Back issues will also be kept on > > www.freebsd.org and distributed with future CDROM distributions. > > > > Given that this will probably be nothing like the slick, glossy, > > full-color periodicals you get from folks like the Linux Journal (and > > possibly this Free Software Journal), I having had something more like > > USENIX's ";login" newsletter in mind, perhaps there is ample room in > > the market for both publications if we play this reasonably > > cooperatively. If nothing else, the Free Software Journal will be > > paying its contributors and may therefore attract a different caliber > > of writer. :) > > > > Comments? > > > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 14:19:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11682 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:19:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11657; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip207.konnections.com [192.41.71.207]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA00388; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:18:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <33330802.3D353BFD@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:13:22 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org CC: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org, jtc@NetBSD.org Subject: Free Systems Journal -- Philosophy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello again: While we're a bit busy with this conversation about newsletters and jounals, I just wanted to stand up and lay out my philosophy in regards to what Free Systems Journal should be. First of all it has to be an organ (sorry bevis) for the issues that the Free systems community faces. That is the ENTIRE community. Let no one think that this community belongs any more to the Linux users than it does to the FreeDOS or Minix users. We're all in this together. We don't need to agree but we can't deal anyone out. I said my original desire for this sprang from Linux Journal's continued open disregard of other systems. That is not a negative stance for LJ, on the contrary, it never claimed to be anything but. On the other hand, there has always been a need for coverage of other systems in a responsive manner, not as an aside to some greater issue. I assure you if LJ paid attention to other systems, they wouldn't do it justice. I myself wonder how it can be done, but we'll find a pole to revolve around and then expand or contract based on community needs. I don't think any one person, or group, is more qualified to contribute than another. A newbie might have just as pertinent a concern as anyone else, and just as elegant a solution. There are many more newbies out there than gurus. Unlike many of the people out there, a lot of us don't have a guru to defer to. (Except the newsgroups, and we don't always know who's answering the mail there.) I want this endeavor to become something useful to all of us, that we can all have a stake in and be proud of. If the NetBSD folks do something cool, or pull off a major installation, like say, to the Justice Department, we should all be proud and pull a little closer. Our similarities are our strength our differences merely distractions. Our goal should be to become smarter as individuals and to make computing a transparent part of our lives (both from a control sense, and a cost sense). I don't mind having to pay for good software, but I do mind not being able to chose and bad software eventually becoming the ONLY software. UNIX (Sorry to whomever owns the trademark this week) was always open in this sense. It was the great equalizer. It has again become that great equalizer. It has motivated people to create Free systems and that includes free versions of some of the most popular, most expensive and most controlled personal computing software. If you flood my office with contributions, I'll publish what I can. What's really good I'll pass on to others to publish. There's no way that we'll sit on a valuable article just to pump some imagined value out of it. I'm open to any suggestions about how to provide this service. I'm a book guy and magazines are new to us. But I'm become zealous about this and I'm determined to see it through. Your thoughts are appreciated. I'm not a real member of these lists, so please let me know what the right procedure is for joining. Thanks, -Mike Allison Publisher, Burning Eagle Books mallison@konnections.com From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 14:48:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03379 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03355; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id MAA00219; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:48:10 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703202248.MAA00219@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal -- Philosophy In-Reply-To: <33330802.3D353BFD@konnections.com> from mike allison at "Mar 21, 97 03:13:22 pm" To: mallison@konnections.com (mike allison) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:48:10 -1000 (HST) Cc: FreeBSD-Chat@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-Hackers@freebsd.org, jtc@NetBSD.org From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just a thought: Jordan: could FreeBSD Inc./Walnut Creek contract out to do the Newsletter you are thinking of? For one thing it would allow you folks to concentrate on content as opposed to layout. -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 15:58:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09332 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09305; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA05785 ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA05637; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:14:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian N. Handy" Reply-To: "Brian N. Handy" To: mike allison Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal In-Reply-To: <333301D2.5F697155@konnections.com> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Anything I haven't thoght of? Any chance of combining this operation into one mighty empire that could succeed, rather than two competing empires with the same goals? Also, is the Free Systems Journal destined to be a real, oh-my-gosh Publication, with a cover and postage and I can subscribe to it, or something else? (That didn't come across completely clear to me, but I may have missed something.) Jordan has been caught vaguely off-guard, so I'm not sure he's completely fleshed out his version of what he wants to do. At any rate, I'd be more excited about supporting something that was going to get some exposure outside of our little community here. I'm almost afraid a newsletter of sorts would not see a lot of exposure outside of the people already subscribed to freebsd-*, whereas something that gets published and advertised and talked about and whoa here it is on the MAGAZINE RACK and what's this {Free, Net, Open}BSD stuff about anyway? I guess what I'm saying is I strongly support the idea of a publication, if that's what Mike is talking about. Jordan is a real capable salesman, though, who I'm sure could make a newsletter focussed specifically on FreeBSD succeed too. I'd rather see forces that mesh well together rather than smaller competing services. Brian From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 17:08:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14243 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14214; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03680; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:08:22 -0800 (PST) To: "David Langford" cc: mallison@konnections.com (mike allison), FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jtc@NetBSD.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal -- Philosophy In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:48:10 -1000." <199703202248.MAA00219@caliban.dihelix.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:08:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3677.858906502@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Jordan: could FreeBSD Inc./Walnut Creek contract out to > do the Newsletter you are thinking of? > For one thing it would allow you folks to concentrate on content as opposed > to layout. I'm not sure I follow you - I won't be doing layout; Walnut Creek CDROM has an art department for that. :-) We're just doing content. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 18:37:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18955 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from keystone.westminster.edu (fullermd@keystone.westminster.edu [204.171.15.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18950; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by keystone.westminster.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) id VAA17722; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:36:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:36:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Andrew Perry cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Andrew Perry wrote: > just my 2 cents > maybe we should send articles to both, FreeBSD people will certainly > support the new newsletter (which I think is a great idea, will you be > sending them to australia? otherwise i can live with e-mail) but if we > have articles in the Free Systems Journal as well that may generate > interest in FreeBSD from non FreeBSD users. > > Andrew Perry > andrew@shoal.net.au For what it's worth, I have to heartily agree with this. FreeBSD articles can go nicely in a newsletter-type thing, and any new interest generated amoung x86 UNIX users is good. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| *fullermd@keystone.westminster.edu FreeBSD junkie* |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 18:39:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19126 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19105; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip207.konnections.com [192.41.71.207]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA03266; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:39:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3333450A.93B36BA@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:33:46 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brian N. Handy" CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian: Yes, the Free Systems Journal will be a REAL cover & postage magazine that the whole world can subscribe to. BUT, and this is important... - it won't JUST be BSD - it won't be evangelical, officially below the Free /Open systems line. - it CAN'T cater to all of the specific needs of the BSD community, I don't think. Although, again I'll let the community dictate that. What Jordan wants to do goes to the FreeBSD community. If Jordan can support that, then I think it is a good thing. Again, I don't think competition is a bad thing, but I also don't see it as competition. Also, I promised to give some kind of face time to the newsletter, even if it is just a "For More In Depth...see.." sorta thing. The risk doesn't lie within the community. It lies with those of us businesses who take these risks. If there is a market for the mag, and it's well written, there is, ergo, a market for the readership and, logically, market potential for advertisers. That's where it will succeed. A free newsletter is not competition in those senses. We do not compete for resources outside of input and some of that we can share. My cause isn't to win support for Jordan, I'm not quitting becuase he's in the fray, the market will support us all. But, I'm not going to try to kill or swap the newsletter, either, it's a healthy addition. In my humble opinion. -Mike Brian N. Handy wrote: > > >Anything I haven't thoght of? > > Any chance of combining this operation into one mighty empire that could > succeed, rather than two competing empires with the same goals? > > Also, is the Free Systems Journal destined to be a real, oh-my-gosh > Publication, with a cover and postage and I can subscribe to it, or > something else? (That didn't come across completely clear to me, but I > may have missed something.) Jordan has been caught vaguely off-guard, so > I'm not sure he's completely fleshed out his version of what he wants to > do. At any rate, I'd be more excited about supporting something that was > going to get some exposure outside of our little community here. I'm > almost afraid a newsletter of sorts would not see a lot of exposure > outside of the people already subscribed to freebsd-*, whereas something > that gets published and advertised and talked about and whoa here it is on > the MAGAZINE RACK and what's this {Free, Net, Open}BSD stuff about anyway? > > I guess what I'm saying is I strongly support the idea of a publication, > if that's what Mike is talking about. Jordan is a real capable salesman, > though, who I'm sure could make a newsletter focussed specifically on > FreeBSD succeed too. I'd rather see forces that mesh well together rather > than smaller competing services. > > Brian From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 18:55:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19860 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from keystone.westminster.edu (fullermd@keystone.westminster.edu [204.171.15.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19852; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by keystone.westminster.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) id VAA17802; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:55:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:55:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: mike allison cc: FreeBSD-Chat@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-Hackers@freebsd.org, jtc@NetBSD.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal -- Philosophy In-Reply-To: <33330802.3D353BFD@konnections.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, mike allison wrote: > Hello again: > > While we're a bit busy with this conversation about newsletters and > jounals, I just wanted to stand up and lay out my philosophy in regards > to what Free Systems Journal should be. > > First of all it has to be an organ (sorry bevis) for the issues that the > Free systems community faces. That is the ENTIRE community. Let no one > think that this community belongs any more to the Linux users than it > does to the FreeDOS or Minix users. We're all in this together. We > don't need to agree but we can't deal anyone out. I said my original > desire for this sprang from Linux Journal's continued open disregard of > other systems. That is not a negative stance for LJ, on the contrary, > it never claimed to be anything but. On the other hand, there has > always been a need for coverage of other systems in a responsive manner, > not as an aside to some greater issue. I assure you if LJ paid > attention to other systems, they wouldn't do it justice. I myself > wonder how it can be done, but we'll find a pole to revolve around and > then expand or contract based on community needs. > > I don't think any one person, or group, is more qualified to contribute > than another. A newbie might have just as pertinent a concern as anyone > else, and just as elegant a solution. There are many more newbies out > there than gurus. Unlike many of the people out there, a lot of us > don't have a guru to defer to. (Except the newsgroups, and we don't > always know who's answering the mail there.) > > I want this endeavor to become something useful to all of us, that we > can all have a stake in and be proud of. If the NetBSD folks do > something cool, or pull off a major installation, like say, to the > Justice Department, we should all be proud and pull a little closer. > > Our similarities are our strength our differences merely distractions. > Our goal should be to become smarter as individuals and to make > computing a transparent part of our lives (both from a control sense, > and a cost sense). I don't mind having to pay for good software, but I > do mind not being able to chose and bad software eventually becoming the > ONLY software. > > UNIX (Sorry to whomever owns the trademark this week) was always open in > this sense. It was the great equalizer. It has again become that great > equalizer. It has motivated people to create Free systems and that > includes free versions of some of the most popular, most expensive and > most controlled personal computing software. > > If you flood my office with contributions, I'll publish what I can. > What's really good I'll pass on to others to publish. There's no way > that we'll sit on a valuable article just to pump some imagined value > out of it. > > I'm open to any suggestions about how to provide this service. I'm a > book guy and magazines are new to us. But I'm become zealous about this > and I'm determined to see it through. > > Your thoughts are appreciated. I'm not a real member of these lists, so > please let me know what the right procedure is for joining. > > Thanks, > > -Mike Allison BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| *fullermd@keystone.westminster.edu FreeBSD junkie* |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 19:10:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20596 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20579; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip207.konnections.com [192.41.71.207]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA03666; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:08:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <33334C0C.2B73BEFB@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:03:40 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Torrance at home CC: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: new freeunix publication References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom: Initially, our rates are: - Continental US -- $25 (USD) - Alaska, Hawaii, Canada -- $27 (USD) (Canada may be less if I can swing it, or at least in Canadian funds... give me a few weeks.) - Rest of the Americas -- $35 (USD) - Worldwide -- $37 (USD) All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada. These rates are fixed until we go to press in May with issue 1. After that they may change. If they change, they'll go up probably. If they go down, I'll reinburse the diff. It is all affected by advertising and I'm going to give it a while before I arrive at "FINAL" figures. Anyone who subscribes before 1 May will lock into these rates for at least 1 year. I'm loyal enough to think about that come next year too. If you want to subscribe now, when we receive payment, we'll enter the subscriptions, but keep the check or money order on file until the 1st issue ships. That way, you're not paying for the product until it ships. You make payment (Check or Money Order [I'm probably the last person who prefers a personal check, at least initially]) to: Burning Eagle Books And mail to: Free Systems Journal C/O Burning Eagle Books 1175 East Canyon Rd #17 Ogden, UT 84404-5972 ATTN: FSJ/Subs Bottom line: If the rates go up, it'll be 2 or 3 dollars a year. So, it's not the end of the world. But you'll get an issue when it comes out, not when you remember to ask, after you see it on your neighbor's desk. Thanks, -Mike Tom Torrance at home wrote: > > Sounds interesting. What are the subscription rates set at? > > Regards, > Tom From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 21:15:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA26586 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26560; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip207.konnections.com [192.41.71.207]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA05611; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:14:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3333696D.58323B7B@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:09:02 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" CC: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: new freeunix publication References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Danny: We have a retail book sales site and I discussed this very issue tonight in theory. I don't think it's a problem, but let me talk nuts and bolts... probably change the subscription agent....you'd still have to mail the # to us, so there's not a security problem, not like we're pressed for time, yet. I'll get an answer tommorrow, post it to you and any sites... Thanks, Danny. -Mike Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, mike allison wrote: > > > All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada. > > Any chance of credit card? Organising a foreign currency draft > is a real pain. I'd be happy to pay the extra 4%. > > Danny From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 20 21:16:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA26687 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26682 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA25152; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) To: mike allison Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:09:42 MST." <3332CEE6.CCEE22F@konnections.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:16:44 -0800 Message-ID: <25147.858921404@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is very interesting. We've been working on this project for a > couple of weeks now and it was at the behest of Greg Lehey whom I've > recruited, to write to FreeBSD and let everyone know. A couple of > things I didn't put out, which I should have, is that I want to be able > to allow for readers to make reasonable copies and that we will place > back issues on the net (like you in multi formats, pdf, ps, etc). I That sound very good. > have no objections to writers doing FreeBSD and FreeBSD related stories > to publishing them in your newletter, and vice versa. I'd also be > willing to list a link to you newsletter and support it in any way > feasible. Excellent. All of our articles will also be freely redistributable, so it sounds like we might actually wind up with a number of "pooled" articles which exceed the number of FreeBSD related articles we could otherwise generate alone. Since you're also going after a much wider market, the FreeBSD related articles would be somewhat less crucial to making up each issue. My position is somewhat harder - I can't just pop in another article on Linux whenever I have a slack month. :-) > I would certainly hope that we can all complement each other rather than > compete and that readers will want to get as much "news" as possible. Me too. > Really, though, our desire is not to compete, but to expand. I think, > in the long run, readers will have Free access to our magazine, they may > need to pay for timely access, but ultimate access through the net, > should be free as well. How free, price-wise, depends on our ability to > find other funding through advertising, or ?. Gotcha. After reading this and some of your other replies, it sounds like my worries were basically unfounded. In fact, I have to agree with the other folks who said that FreeBSD exposure in a pan-Free-OS publication may indeed be MORE valuable than one which preaches to the converted, so to speak, so now I'm even more motivated to see both publications succeed. Please keep me posted as you get closer to getting this thing off the ground. At some point, if you have some subscription cards made up (which, of course, will directly mention FreeBSD as one of the markets to which this publication is being pitched :), I think I can even get Walnut Creek CDROM to stick them in with the FreeBSD orders for awhile, if not on an ongoing basis. Same perhaps for Slackware, though I'm not quite so empowered to speak on its behalf - I can at least make the pitch. That would get you at least a few thousand new contacts a month, and if even only 1% subscribed you'd probably do pretty well. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 21 02:28:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA08487 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA08475; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA15309; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:25:56 GMT Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:28:43 +0000 Received: from tees.elsevier.co.uk (tees.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.60]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA14999; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:28:39 GMT Received: (from dpr@localhost) by tees.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA01520; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:28:38 GMT To: mike allison Cc: Tom Torrance at home , FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: new freeunix publication References: <33334C0C.2B73BEFB@konnections.com> From: Paul Richards Date: 21 Mar 1997 10:28:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: mike allison's message of Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: <57afnxwncb.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mike allison writes: > Initially, our rates are: > > - Worldwide -- $37 (USD) > > All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada. > You make payment (Check or Money Order [I'm probably the last person who > prefers a personal check, at least initially]) to: Is there any other way to pay, like VISA? It'd cost me almost as much to raise a money order as it would to pay for the subscription ! -- Dr Paul Richards. [p.richards@elsevier.co.uk] Originative Solutions Ltd. [paul@originat.demon.co.uk] Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155 (Elsevier) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 21 06:46:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17946 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 06:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA17924; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 06:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip219.konnections.com [192.41.71.219]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA09872; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:43:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3333EEE1.5242080A@konnections.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 07:38:25 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Richards CC: Tom Torrance at home , FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: new freeunix publication References: <33334C0C.2B73BEFB@konnections.com> <57afnxwncb.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Paul: As I stated yesterday, I'm working on a VISA agreement with our retail affiliate. It's a bit different since they aren't really sending/handling the product, but I'm sure we can work it out. Otherwise, there are some cases where I will accept foreign funds. Most countires currencies are stable enough that I don't need to worry, also I have a UK address you might be able to send UK funds through. Give me a day or so before we have to get creative. I think the VISA/MC and American Express capability will be on line soon. Thanks, -Mike Paul Richards wrote: > > mike allison writes: > > > Initially, our rates are: > > > > - Worldwide -- $37 (USD) > > > > All must be drawn on US funds, unless I fix Canada. > > > You make payment (Check or Money Order [I'm probably the last person who > > prefers a personal check, at least initially]) to: > > Is there any other way to pay, like VISA? It'd cost me almost as much > to raise a money order as it would to pay for the subscription ! > > -- > Dr Paul Richards. [p.richards@elsevier.co.uk] > Originative Solutions Ltd. [paul@originat.demon.co.uk] > Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155 (Elsevier) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 21 17:42:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01430 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:42:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01403 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18369; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:55:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:55:36 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: mike allison , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal In-Reply-To: <25147.858921404@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, how about we send any articles to Jordan and let him work out what to do with them? Mine's only going to be about how to get on to FreeBSD and a bit of mailing list etiquette I learned the hard way. Plus how friendly the mailing list is and the secret to success (not that I'm succeeding). Bite off more than you can chew, then chew real hard!!! Never give up!!! Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 21 19:05:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05119 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05108 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle (root@ip212.konnections.com [192.41.71.212]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA19805; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:04:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <33349C70.75842411@konnections.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:58:56 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Perry CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew: Oh yah, that's fair... I want all the articles... : - } Really, it doesn't matter to me. I think there's value there for both of us, no matter how minute or trivial. But I think Jordan and I have arrived at the same conclusion, so either of us will pass on what isn't "wrong/illegal/illegitimate for us to pass on.....Jordan? -Mike Andrew Perry wrote: > > OK, how about we send any articles to Jordan and let him work out what to > do with them? Mine's only going to be about how to get on to FreeBSD and a > bit of mailing list etiquette I learned the hard way. Plus how friendly > the mailing list is and the secret to success (not that I'm succeeding). > Bite off more than you can chew, then chew real hard!!! > > Never give up!!! > > Andrew Perry > andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 21 22:59:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA13381 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13375 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA24819; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:59:30 -0800 (PST) To: Andrew Perry cc: mike allison , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Systems Journal In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:55:36 +1000." Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:59:30 -0800 Message-ID: <24816.859013970@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OK, how about we send any articles to Jordan and let him work out what to > do with them? Mine's only going to be about how to get on to FreeBSD and a That works for me! :-) My announcement on this is still pending. Sorry, unexpected travel intervened. :( Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 11:38:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26730 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinto.accesscomm.net (root@pinto.accesscomm.net [204.189.106.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26725 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from n1m9.accesscomm.net (n1m9.accesscomm.net [204.189.106.25]) by pinto.accesscomm.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13346 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:37:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703221937.NAA13346@pinto.accesscomm.net> From: "The Old Wolf" To: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 22 Mar 97 13:40:15 -0600 Reply-To: "The Old Wolf" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sup service on sup.freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hope I picked the right list, didn't seem like a problem for either current or stable. For the past two days I have been trying to SUP 2.2 from sup.freebsd.org. I keep getting supfilesrv not known, trying port (something like 26753 or something up there) at any rate, is the sup daemon down? Or is sup being discontinued or what? Thanks Dan UNIX: we get more done on one command line then most other OS's do all day HTTP://users.accesscomm.net/~kane From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 14:52:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05268 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 14:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05258 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 14:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA00829; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 23:52:22 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29702; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 23:46:09 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19970322234608.EF34689@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 23:46:08 +0100 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (freebsd-chat@freebsd.org) Cc: kane@accesscomm.net (The Old Wolf) Subject: Re: Sup service on sup.freebsd.org References: <199703221937.NAA13346@pinto.accesscomm.net> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199703221937.NAA13346@pinto.accesscomm.net>; from The Old Wolf on Mar 22, 1997 13:40:15 -0600 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As The Old Wolf wrote: > Hope I picked the right list, didn't seem like a problem for either current > or stable. Only technical questions are off-topic on the chat list. :-) > For the past two days I have been trying to SUP 2.2 from > sup.freebsd.org. I keep getting supfilesrv not known, trying port > (something like 26753 or something up there) at any rate, is the sup daemon > down? Or is sup being discontinued or what? You've got it: sup has been sort-of discontinued. Perhaps you might find still some serving providing this service, but it's strongly recommended to switch to CTM or CVSup. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)