From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 22 00:51:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19794 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 00:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19784 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 00:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA20326 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:51:31 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17905; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:47:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970622094729.PL53305@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:47:29 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: c++ References: <9706212016.AA24959@wavehh.hanse.de> <199706220419.VAA00390@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199706220419.VAA00390@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Jun 21, 1997 21:19:39 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Amancio Hasty wrote: > Language wars are nice however I rather have full development environs with > their supporting structure for developing systems 8) As i understand it, Modula-3 is a full development system. Alas, they even require a separate Makefile mechanism (which i think is compatible to other M3 implementations), which gave me a hard time when i wanted to try how it works without much documentation... Still, if i ever have the task to build something that will benefit from a good OO language, i will consider using M3 for it. John's rapid success with CVSup was impressive. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 22 01:57:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA23005 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA22998 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peeper.my.domain ([208.128.8.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12432 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tom@localhost) by peeper.my.domain (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA21686; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:56:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970622035551.40140@peeper.my.domain> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:55:51 -0500 From: Tom Jackson To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) References: <199706181529.LAA24912@federation.addy.com> <19970618151223.08889@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76e In-Reply-To: <19970618151223.08889@panix.com>; from Larry S. Marso on Wed, Jun 18, 1997 at 03:12:23PM -0400 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jun 18, 1997 at 03:12:23PM -0400, Larry S. Marso wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 1997 at 05:01:48PM +0000, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > > >From: "Geir Eivind Mork" > > >To: "chat@freebsd.org" > > >Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 13:48:25 +0100 > > >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 > > >Subject: user of FreeBSD > > > > >I'm a user of FreeBSD (a quite new one too), [snip] > > If you want the greatest e-mail system on earth (but non-gui), try MUTT > (see /usr/ports/mail/mutt). > > If you want a very good gui e-mail system, try xfmail (/usr/ports again). > Watch out with xfmail. It converts your mail to the mh variety, and I ended up loosing a bunch of mail from accidental deletion :( > -- > Larry S. Marso > lsmarso@panix.com Tom From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 22 04:14:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA27127 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 04:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.netcologne.de (ns1.netcologne.de [194.8.194.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA27122 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 04:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from theseus.mediaconsult.de by ns1.netcologne.de (8.6.12/NetCologne/marvin/netsafe-a0020) id ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:51:34 +0200 with ESMTP X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: <33AD08F3.61C709A@netcologne.de> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:13:56 +0200 From: Richard Cochius Reply-To: richard.cochius@netcologne.de Organization: Media Connect Cologne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 22 17:28:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00190 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00184; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous218.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.218]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04334; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 02:28:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA00629; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 02:16:53 +0200 (MET DST) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: majordomo filter (Re: subscribe) References: <33AD08F3.61C709A@netcologne.de> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 23 Jun 1997 02:16:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: Richard Cochius's message of Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:13:56 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 12 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Cochius writes: > Majordomo has a filter option which check for administrativa request and bounce such mails to the owner of the list. I know this works because the same guy sent 5 administrativa requests to the german BSD mailing lists and I as the list maintainer got the mails and not the lists. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 05:46:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA02138 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA02128; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 05:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199706231246.FAA02128@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: majordomo filter (Re: subscribe) To: wosch@apfel.de (Wolfram Schneider) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 05:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Wolfram Schneider" at Jun 23, 97 02:16:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > Richard Cochius writes: > > > > Majordomo has a filter option which check for administrativa request > and bounce such mails to the owner of the list. > > I know this works because the same guy sent 5 administrativa requests > to the german BSD mailing lists and I as the list maintainer got the > mails and not the lists. we have tried enabling the filter in the past and found it to be too coarse. ;( jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 06:43:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA04750 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 06:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icp.acquire.net.au (root@icp.acquire.net.au [203.24.197.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04740 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 06:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp2.acquire.net.au (ppp2.acquire.net.au [203.24.197.115]) by icp.acquire.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.3/BSD4.4) with SMTP id XAA18822 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:42:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <33AE7D82.3089@acquire.net.au> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:43:30 +1000 From: John Wan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 08:17:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08744 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08730 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01482; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:15:23 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199706231515.BAA01482@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "chat@freebsd.org" , "Geir Eivind Mork" Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:29:16." <199706181529.LAA24912@federation.addy.com> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:15:22 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have seen several OS/2 users using/switching to FreeBSD (I am one > of them). > I can understand why (lack of IBM marketting), but I wonder how this > migration compares to other OS. Does anyone has any guess on > percentage of people coming to FreeBSD from other OS? (notice I said > guess. I don't think it is possible to come up with any real numbers > ). I guess you could count me as one, although I've used UNIX in one form or another a lot longer. I still keep current with it, and have occasionally still use it as a desktop environment. In general, the graphics is considerably faster than X, and the applications - like Win* I guess - are also very usable. However, I keep on going back to booting UNIX after a few brief days of enchantment with OS/2, but I rarely get so sick of it that I actually delete the partition. :-) I do keep getting frustrated about the things I *can't* change about it. This has nothing to do with marketing - either an OS does the job or it doesn't for me, and in OS/2's case, it does pretty well (mainly word processing in my case). The disincentive so far as work goes is that I've only come across a few places that actually use OS/2 and need contractors whereas UNIX-related work is very common. In fact, I haven't come across any at all in 2-3 years now. :-/ Still, I have two other machines here which run OS/2 full time. One is about to go (it runs a dialup bbs which is closing down), and my wife would be fairly annoyed if I changed her system over to UNIX, not to mention her attitude if I put a Windows disk anywhere near her machine - my life would not be worth living afterwards. :-) She loves it, and wouldn't run anything else at this time, and more so since she upgraded to Warp4. (I keep threatening that she'll boot it one morning to find FreeBSD there, which has been a running gag for some time. :-) Since she has taken to using the UNIX box fairly often these days when her machine as been 'taken over' by the kids - I don't think she'd mind half as much as she makes out). > The one thing that I don't know if there is something as good in > FreeBSD as in OS/2 are email software. I use PmMail and soon to get > PMInews. From what I have heard the other email software for OS/2 are > algo great. FWIW, I did the port of Pine to OS/2 a couple of years ago. I truely *hated* all of the os/2 mail packages I looked at. YMMV. But imho mail software under OS/2 does not in general get anywhere near the flexibility and power of MUA packages available for UNIX. PMMail looks pretty crappy when compared with emxh, it it isn't at all the only available option. As for IBM's Ultimail - bah - it is designed after entirely the wrong philosophy. Very little software in this area in OS/2 is done right, imho. They seem to go out of their way to look pretty, but when it comes to basic functionality, they seem to lack. I guess this is more a general reflection of software available on pc platforms when compared with the vastly more mature programs available under UNIX. PC software (or, rather, software for PC based operating systems) seems to be, in general, more shallow and designed for look and feel rather than functionality. The PC user is less technically demanding and seems to overlook the advantages in, say, regular expressions or editing text configuration files and scripts rather than chasing the mouse around popup dialogs. UNIX software authors don't tend to concentrate on looks at all - which is, rightly so, an issue for the window manager rather than applications per se. As an example, I remember the first time I started xmh. Yeach, blah... a really bland white screen with horrid 2d borders and a sticky and very unattactive fixed font. After half an hour of fiddling with X resources, I had it looking fairly nice, and I had to wonder why its author didn't sent out something decent as a default resource file. The answer, of course, is that xmh and X runs on all sorts of graphics hardware, some of which isn't color ro the nice resolutions I use, where my resource file would end in a really crappy result. :-) The fact that it has been around for so long, too, probably has something to do with it. However, its basic functionality is really quite good. I guess half the problem is that this enhanced functionality tends to scare the non-technical user off! Regards, David David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 08:27:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09087 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plato.dayna.com (PLATO.DAYNA.COM [192.206.100.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09082 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salty (salty.dayna.com) by plato.dayna.com (4.1/25-eef) id AA26872; Mon, 23 Jun 97 09:22:12 MDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970623092536.0090d430@dayna.com> X-Sender: wes@dayna.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:25:36 -0600 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Wes Peters Subject: FTP for free Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sent to me by a friend who is a commercial HP-UX root. Kindof sounds like us, huh? ;^) >Forwarded message: >From: wett@COMMUNIQUE.NET (RAINYBOW) >Sender: owner-giggles@LISTSERV.VT.EDU >To: GIGGLES@LISTSERV.VT.EDU >Date: 97-06-01 08:30:04 EDT > > Sung to the tune of "Money for Nothing" by > Dire Straits..... > > > I want my > I want my > I want my FTP > > Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it > You get the files from the FTP > That ain't programming, that's the way you do it > Programs for nothing and the code is free > Now that ain't programming, that's the way you do it > Let me tell you those guys aren't pissed > Maybe break a nail on your little finger, > Maybe get some numbness in your wrist > > We've got to install operating systems > Custom software delivery > We've got to move these manual pages > RTFM those RFCs > > See the little user with his gifs and the jpegs > Yeah buddy he's got root > That little user got his own workstation > That little user got his own disk to boot > > We've got to install operating systems > Custom software delivery > We've got to move these manual pages > RTFM those RFCs > > I should've learned to run xarchie > I should've learned to play them games > Look at that mama, her gif is sticking in the monitor > Man we could have some fun > And he's up there, what's that? Orgasm noises? > Playing sound files like a grade-school geek > That ain't programming that's the way you do it > Get your programs for nothing get your code for free > > We've got to install operating systems > Custom software delivery > We've got to move these manual pages > RTFM those RFCs > > Now that ain't programming, that's the way you do it > You get your programs from the FTP > That ain't programming that's the way you do it > Programs for nothing and your code for free > Programs for nothing and code for free > > (^ >_ ^ ) > RAINY > http://members.wbs.net/homepages/r/a/i/rainybow/html -- Wes Peters It was a diamond as big as the Ritz Software Engineer What you gonna do with this, tell me Dayna Communications Who's gonna save you when you're a slave to A diamond as big as the Ritz From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 08:32:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09268 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09263 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01528; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:32:15 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199706231532.BAA01528@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Tom Jackson , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:55:51 EST." <19970622035551.40140@peeper.my.domain> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:32:14 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > If you want a very good gui e-mail system, try xfmail (/usr/ports again). > > > > Watch out with xfmail. It converts your mail to the mh variety, and I ended > up loosing a bunch of mail from accidental deletion :( That can happen with any new mail system. I've changed enough to appreciate this. :-) As for mh format, I cannot recommend it highly enough. I used to dread the thought of going anywhere near it until I ran up exmh and decided it might be worth the (in my view then) sacrifice of using 1 file per message rather than the more traditional folders. Now I wished I had done it years ago. xfmail is nice, but I still haven't found better than exmh for functionality. mh in general is really good once you get used to the different methods. Incidently, mutt users can read mh folders too. I still use it when I don't have X running and I couldn't be bothered running up emacs just to read mail - and mutt is perhaps the best available textmode mail reader out there at the moment and still rapidly improving on itself. UW's imap v4.x servers also understand mh folders for those wanting imap support (this fact is actually what sold me on converting to mh as I often need to remotely access mail from OS/2, for example). One major problem using mh solved for me was the reduction in risk to mail when accessing it over nfs. Having an organised hierarchy of folders rather than a flat set of save files is another, not to mention being able to link mail items into multiple categories without multiple copies. Used with a good indexing package like, say, glimpse, retrieving important items is very very easy. Not that I'd recommend any of this to the casual mail user, since I'm hardly in that category. :-) Regards, David David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 08:54:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10400 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10395 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01580; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:54:15 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199706231554.BAA01580@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Joel N. Weber II" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:55:11 -0400." <199706190455.AAA06844@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:54:14 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, and another problem I found within a day on the same netbsd-hp-m68k > machine is that GNU find doesn't print sizes correctly in `-ls'. > (It does work fine on a Linux machine.) > > OTOH, since the bugs were discovered on a machine in the gnu.ai.mit.edu > domain, I think there's some hope they'll get fixed. :-) > OTOH Hey, you're running out of "other hands" here! > I generally prefer GNU find, since I can do something like > `find -name foobar' and GNU find will do the equivalent of > `find . -name foobar -print'. Actually, I quite like the -fprint option in gnu find. It's damned useful for front-ends, something I've been meaning to look at adding to FreeBSD's for a few months now. > (I actually took the time to install GNU find in my account on a solaris > machine because of this...) gnu find one of the tools I carry around too. Still, I 'replace' very little these days from a stock FreeBSD build on any machine I intend to use a lot, which is pretty much limited to ssh, tcsh and 'less' in the urgent category with things like gfind and gmake in the second level. Unlike Linux, where I have built a personalised /usr/local/tools tree just so that I can keep track of things I need to take with me since I've run out of fingers and toes on which to keep count. That most Linux distributions use 99% GNU tools is probably significant. Regards, David David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 09:26:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12006 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11957; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11337; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:24:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.5) id SAA20548; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:24:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970623182406.31124@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:24:06 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: majordomo filter (Re: subscribe) References: <199706231246.FAA02128@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199706231246.FAA02128@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 05:46:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 05:46:00AM -0700, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Majordomo has a filter option which check for administrativa request > > and bounce such mails to the owner of the list. > > > > I know this works because the same guy sent 5 administrativa requests > > to the german BSD mailing lists and I as the list maintainer got the > > mails and not the lists. > > we have tried enabling the filter in the past > and found it to be too coarse. ;( Time for tuning? Majordomo should block mails if the body is empty and the subject is 'un/subscribe'. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 09:29:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12344 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de [160.45.24.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12338 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Mon, 23 Jun 97 18:28 MEST Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG id ; Mon, 23 Jun 97 18:28 MET DST Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13285; Mon, 23 Jun 97 17:25:58 +0200 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9706231525.AA13285@wavehh.hanse.de> Subject: Re: c++ To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:25:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, softweyr@xmission.COM, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199706220419.VAA00390@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 21, 97 09:19:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hasty@rah.star-gate.COM (Amancio Hasty) wrote: > >From The Desk Of Martin Cracauer : > > > Anyone having ununderstood problems with C++ should have a look at > > these. IMHO, of course :-) > > > Language wars are nice however I rather have full development environs with > their supporting structure for developing systems 8) In what way is c++ support on FreeBSD more complete than that for Objective-C or Modula-3? The patched gdb-4.16 with ObjC support isn't native on FreeBSD, but you can for sure compile a statndard distribution. M3gdb used to unavailable, maybe it is not here for now. Otherwise, emacs is for all of us :-) Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org Fax +49 40 522 85 36 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 14:52:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03149 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nemeton.com.au (gw.nemeton.com.au [203.8.3.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03116 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3696 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1997 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from topaz.nemeton.com.au (203.8.3.18) by nemeton.com.au with SMTP; 23 Jun 1997 21:51:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 24288 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1997 21:57:34 -0000 Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (127.0.0.1) by localhost.nemeton.com.au with SMTP; 23 Jun 1997 21:57:34 -0000 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: wosch@apfel.de (Wolfram Schneider), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: majordomo filter (Re: subscribe) In-reply-to: <199706231246.FAA02128@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:57:33 +1000 Message-ID: <24286.867103053@nemeton.com.au> From: Giles Lean Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 05:46:00 -0700 (PDT) "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote: > Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > > > Majordomo has a filter option which check for administrativa request > > and bounce such mails to the owner of the list. > we have tried enabling the filter in the past > and found it to be too coarse. ;( Has anyone plugged a smarter filter into majordomo? I have a spam filter that caught these messages but it is too experimental for inclusion in majordomo. My filter is pretty strong on dupliate message bodies and I seem to have seen the common forms of subscribe/unsubscribe messages by now. :) Regards, Giles From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 23 23:12:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25590 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leaf.lumiere-cc.com (j@leaf.lumiere-cc.com [204.188.120.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25585; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (j@localhost) by leaf.lumiere-cc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17976; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: * Quota Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Heya, I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to change the global over-soft-quota grace period time for my system. I've edquota -t and although it saves the changes, it doesn't seem to have any effect. I've also tried to change the time specified in /usr/include/ufs/ufs/quota.h, but that didn't work even after recompiling the kernel and rebooting. If anyone could be of assistance, I'd appreciate it. Please send copies of the message directly to me. Thanks. --- Jesse http://www.lumiere-cc.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 04:31:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09431 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icp.acquire.net.au (root@icp.acquire.net.au [203.24.197.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA09399 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp8.acquire.net.au (ppp8.acquire.net.au [203.24.197.121]) by icp.acquire.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.3/BSD4.4) with SMTP id VAA21685 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:30:05 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <33AFB008.3F83@acquire.net.au> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:31:20 +1000 From: John Wan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe chat@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 10:33:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26627 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26618; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:33:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199706241733.KAA26618@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: BSD io To: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com (Brian N. Handy) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat In-Reply-To: from "Brian N. Handy" at Jun 24, 97 09:01:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk moved to chat. Brian N. Handy wrote: > > > > >i'm available for $$$ too. > >and i am a rocket scientist. (BSAE). > > Speaking for the rest of us rocket scientists...who's BSAE? BSAE--bachelor of science, aeronautical engineering?? why do spacecraft rotate ~180 degrees during take-off? the shuttle shows this clearly, i have been told all rockets do it, but the cylindrical symmetry of the others obscure the motion (unless you watch the printing) jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 10:59:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27789 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27782 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip129-37-112-131.pa.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-112-131.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.112.131]) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA25331; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706241759.NAA25331@federation.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "David Nugent" Cc: "chat@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 14:10:06 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:15:22 +1000, David Nugent wrote: >I guess half the problem is that this enhanced >functionality tends to scare the non-technical user off! The other good thing about OS/2 is that setting up dialup to the internet is painless. It took me weeks to get FreeBSD connected to the internet and even then with LOTS of help. My first internnet experience was with OS/2 and I got everything running in minutes not weeks. I think Unix/FreeBSD won't get more acceptance at the desktop until there is more emphasis placed on usability. For instance setting up dialup PPP should not require people to understand so many things. If I knew more I would write a darn perl script (I just copied some files people gave me to get my ppp going). I do admit that once I had a different provider and it was much easier, but my current provider, IBM Net, uses chap/pap(?). From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 11:44:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29669 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29664 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA27043; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:44:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: chat@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD io In-Reply-To: <199706241733.KAA26618@hub.freebsd.org> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > why do spacecraft rotate ~180 degrees during take-off? > the shuttle shows this clearly, i have been told all > rockets do it, but the cylindrical symmetry of the others > obscure the motion (unless you watch the printing) I spoke with our local shuttle expert -- a guy who used to work on the shuttle teams doing life support. (He worked the '85 Challenger mission, incidentally...) Anyway, the deal with the space shuttle is it takes off, then rotates so that the big external tank is on top and the shuttle itself is underneath. The explanation they gave for that was aerodynamic loading, which is to say, less drag on the whole system as it heads for orbit. Now the interesting part is this: if they had a problem and had to do what's known as an "abort to orbit", they have to turn the thing around and come in and land. But they're still upside down and they still have this giant tank attached. So, with whatever problem they have, they have to nose the shuttle back over the top (so the astronauts, upside down, are now pulling negative G's), level off, ditch the external tank and then glide back into Kennedy, for example. You'll guess correctly that launch control always let a big sigh of relief when they were able to ditch the external tank as part of SOP. I'm not sure what's up with other rockets, since in general they are pretty symmetric. It may be to get the fins in the right orientation for the best control as they head for orbit. But I don't really know. My expertise is actually more in designing telescopes and such, not so much rockets and missiles and stuff. Some of my co-workers worked on the Hubble telescope and now we're building some neat solar telescopes. The one that my PhD is partly based on may get launched in December. (URL below.) Happy trails, Brian -- (http://www.space.lockheed.com/TRACE) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 12:45:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02269 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02264 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00315; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 05:44:44 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199706241944.FAA00315@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:10:06." <199706241759.NAA25331@federation.addy.com> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 05:44:40 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The other good thing about OS/2 is that setting up dialup to the > internet is painless. It took me weeks to get FreeBSD connected to > the internet and even then with LOTS of help. My first internnet > experience was with OS/2 and I got everything running in minutes not > weeks. Yes, it is pretty easy, although I never made use of it. I use a FreeBSD system as a router for a local network. :) > I think Unix/FreeBSD won't get more acceptance at the desktop until > there is more emphasis placed on usability. For instance setting up > dialup PPP should not require people to understand so many things. You're leaving out or missing a large part of the picture. FreeBSD is not just a client system, and that's all the internet dialer can really do. If you had to set up an OS/2 system as a PPP server (which FreeBSD, as delivered, is quite capable of doing), then I daresay you'll be in for all sorts of problems. Sure, FreeBSD is more complex to set up for the simple client environment, but the emphasis on its development and use is not really as a client system; ie. the "desktop". It can certainly make a fine desktop system, but unlike the OS/2 system, it can make an even better server. IBM's focus has obviously been more specific, and therefore they can afford to cater for the desktop user. > If I knew more I would write a darn perl script (I just copied some > files people gave me to get my ppp going). I do admit that once I had > a different provider and it was much easier, but my current provider, > IBM Net, uses chap/pap(?). So do I, incidently, with FreeBSD at both ends. Have you seen the handbook? If so, in what way didn't it provide the information you needed to get ppp going? This document is the real help-line. Regards, David David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 14:00:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06305 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nemeton.com.au (gw.nemeton.com.au [203.8.3.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06287 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21501 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1997 21:00:21 -0000 Received: from topaz.nemeton.com.au (203.8.3.18) by nemeton.com.au with SMTP; 24 Jun 1997 21:00:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 28117 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1997 21:06:42 -0000 Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (127.0.0.1) by localhost.nemeton.com.au with SMTP; 24 Jun 1997 21:06:42 -0000 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com (Brian N. Handy), chat@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD io In-reply-to: <199706241733.KAA26618@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:06:41 +1000 Message-ID: <28115.867186401@nemeton.com.au> From: Giles Lean Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:33:08 -0700 (PDT) "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote: > > Speaking for the rest of us rocket scientists...who's BSAE? > > BSAE--bachelor of science, aeronautical engineering?? The original author (whose attribution has been lost, thankfully) claimed two "BS" degrees in engineering in private email. I quite agree his degrees must be BS(*). :) Giles *I'm sure there is an Australian slang dictionary *somewhere* on the Web, but a broad hint is that the B stands for Bull. IBM missed a similar problem with their "RS/6000". :) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 14:05:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06667 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nemeton.com.au (gw.nemeton.com.au [203.8.3.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06656 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21567 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1997 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from topaz.nemeton.com.au (203.8.3.18) by nemeton.com.au with SMTP; 24 Jun 1997 21:05:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 28131 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1997 21:11:34 -0000 Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (127.0.0.1) by localhost.nemeton.com.au with SMTP; 24 Jun 1997 21:11:34 -0000 To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "David Nugent" , "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: <199706241759.NAA25331@federation.addy.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:11:33 +1000 Message-ID: <28129.867186693@nemeton.com.au> From: Giles Lean Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Jun 97 14:10:06 "Francisco Reyes" wrote: > I think Unix/FreeBSD won't get more acceptance at the desktop until > there is more emphasis placed on usability. For instance setting up > dialup PPP should not require people to understand so many things. Setting up my first *BSD PPP connection took 10 minutes, and I spent a couple of hours with Windows 95. :-( Nevertheless, some sample setup files that make the PPP setup look "just like" a Windows 95 box from the point of view of the ISP seeing the incoming connection would be useful. A similar set of files and/or documentation that setup PPP for incoming Windows 95 connections would be useful too, for ISPs and others supporting dialin. Giles From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 15:11:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10231 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10226 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23478; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:11:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Giles Lean cc: "Francisco Reyes" , "David Nugent" , "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:11:33 +1000." <28129.867186693@nemeton.com.au> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:11:22 -0700 Message-ID: <23474.867190282@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Setting up my first *BSD PPP connection took 10 minutes, and I spent a > couple of hours with Windows 95. :-( > > Nevertheless, some sample setup files that make the PPP setup look > "just like" a Windows 95 box from the point of view of the ISP seeing > the incoming connection would be useful. It would probably be even easier to simply make this forms or Q&A based (what's your IP address? What's your ISPs phone number? Any dialer prefix I should use? CHAP, PAP or login script? ...) but then we've been waiting for somebody to do this for, oh, I'd say at least 2 years now. ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 16:53:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14454 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14449 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA27925; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:53:33 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04996; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:33:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970625013301.HE22345@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:33:01 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD chat list) Cc: giles@nemeton.com.au (Giles Lean) Subject: Re: BSD io References: <28099.867185961@nemeton.com.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <28099.867185961@nemeton.com.au>; from Giles Lean on Jun 25, 1997 06:59:21 +1000 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Giles Lean wrote: > I think the guy is just trolling, or else aspires to take the mantle > (or antennas!) from Jesus Monroy, Jr. Hmm, actually you might be right. Well, the only difference is that JMJr. really used to indent his postings by exactly 8 spaces... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 20:54:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA28039 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28034 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA20183 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:54:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: MPEG Layer 3 (.mp3) audio files Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What are people using to encode .mp3 audio files on FreeBSD? I've got tosha, a collection of MPEG encoding utilities and mpg123 for playback, but I'm having problems with both creation and playback. :( My Matushita CR-504 CD-ROM doesn't seem to read audio tracks properly, and I get all sorts of garbage at the beginning of an .mp3 playback (probably unintialized GUS buffer memory). I figure I can fit 24 hours of my favourite music on a single 1.5GB Syjet cartridge, if I could only get the audio off my CD collection and into the computer. :-/ -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 20:55:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA28063 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28058 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA04583 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:25:56 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:25:56 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: MS IIS Server bug Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, they say there is a bug in IIS that will cause it to crash, if the size of the URL is right - the right size varies, and is from 4000 to over 8000. Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 21:25:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29197 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29192 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA19228; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:25:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Re: MPEG Layer 3 (.mp3) audio files In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:54:12 EDT." Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: <19224.867212748@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What are people using to encode .mp3 audio files on FreeBSD? I've > got tosha, a collection of MPEG encoding utilities and mpg123 for > playback, but I'm having problems with both creation and playback. :( I'm using mpeg_musicin and musicout, part of the mpegaudio utilities in ports. To grab the tracks, I use Charles Heinrich's cdd utility which you can find on various FTP sites (and I have a copy up at time.cdrom.com in my anon ftp area, but please get that only as a last resort since that's my home machine and I don't have a T1 :-). It works great - I'm able to grab, encode and subsequently play back mpeg audio with no problems. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 23:43:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05065 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (we-refuse-to-spy-on-our-users@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05060 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id CAA21893; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:42:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:42:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199706250642.CAA21893@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: "Joel N. Weber II" To: davidn@labs.usn.blaze.net.au CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199706231554.BAA01580@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> (message from David Nugent on Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:54:14 +1000) Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) x-url: http://www.red-bean.com/~nemo x-attribution: nemo x-foobar: To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. --Thomas Edison Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:54:14 +1000 From: David Nugent > OTOH Hey, you're running out of "other hands" here! `On the left foot...'??? From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 24 23:43:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05098 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.tlk.com (root@pegasus.tlk.com [194.97.84.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05093 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ramsey.tb.9715.org(really [194.97.84.65]) by pegasus.tlk.com via sendmail with esmtp (ident root using rfc1413) id for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:42:52 +0200 (CEST)) Received: by ramsey.tb.9715.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:43:45 +0200 (CEST) From: torstenb@ramsey.tb.9715.org (Torsten Blum) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MPEG Layer 3 (.mp3) audio files References: <19224.867212748@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In ramsey.lists.freebsd.chat you write: >> What are people using to encode .mp3 audio files on FreeBSD? I've >> got tosha, a collection of MPEG encoding utilities and mpg123 for >> playback, but I'm having problems with both creation and playback. :( >I'm using mpeg_musicin and musicout, part of the mpegaudio utilities >in ports. the mpegaudio utils do not support layer3. It seems that there is no free mp3 encoder - only commercial software ;-( *sigh* -tb From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 00:50:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08310 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08301 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04201; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706250750.AAA04201@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: torstenb@ramsey.tb.9715.org (Torsten Blum) cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MPEG Layer 3 (.mp3) audio files In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:43:45 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:50:30 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://multiverse.com/~rhh/fxtv >From Randall's fxtv README file: ----- APPENDIX A - BUILDING MPEG LAYER 2 & 3 ENCODER SOFTWARE First, grab dist10.tar.gz from: http://multiverse.com/~rhh/fxtv, or ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/MPEG/audio/mpeg2/software/technical_report Then: tar -zxovf dist10.tar.gz cd dist10/dist10/lsf/encoder configure gmake mv encode /usr/local/bin/mpeg_musicin find tables -print | cpio -dumpv /usr/local/lib/mpegaudio cd ../decoder configure gmake mv decoder /usr/local/bin/mpeg_musicout and finally, put this env var setting in your profile: MPEG_AUDIO=/usr/local/lib/mpegaudio/tables NOTE: For every last pinch of speed, after each "configure", modify the Makefiles and change "-O" to "-O3 -ffast-math -mfancy-math-387". NOTE: An older version of this software is packaged as the FreeBSD "mpeg_audio" port, but it doesn't like some AIFF files (byte order problems), and it doesn't seem to do Level 3 audio. dist10 does. ----- Amancio >From The Desk Of Torsten Blum : > In ramsey.lists.freebsd.chat you write: > > >> What are people using to encode .mp3 audio files on FreeBSD? I've > >> got tosha, a collection of MPEG encoding utilities and mpg123 for > >> playback, but I'm having problems with both creation and playback. :( > > >I'm using mpeg_musicin and musicout, part of the mpegaudio utilities > >in ports. > > the mpegaudio utils do not support layer3. It seems that there is no free > mp3 encoder - only commercial software ;-( > > *sigh* > > -tb From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 01:03:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA08861 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA08856 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from truk.brandinnovators.com (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 24064 on Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:03:03 GMT; id IAA24064 efrom: hans@truk.brandinnovators.com; eto: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: by truk.brandinnovators.com (8.7.5/BI96070101) for <> id JAA06682; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:44:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706250744.JAA06682@truk.brandinnovators.com> From: hans@brandinnovators.com (Hans Zuidam) Subject: Re: BSD io To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:44:48 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199706250430.VAA11972@exit.com> from Frank Mayhar at "Jun 24, 97 09:30:30 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Frank Mayhar wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > In point of fact, I worked on a DOS communications program > Geeze. Who here has _not_, at some point in their career, written a > DOS (or CP/M) communications program? I must confess I never wrote one for DOS or CP/M. I did one for a CBM-3032 (or whatever they were called) though... Hans -- H. Zuidam E-Mail: hans@brandinnovators.com Brand Innovators B.V. P-Mail: P.O. Box 1377 de Pinckart 54 5602 BJ Eindhoven, The Netherlands 5674 CC Nuenen Tel. +31 40 2631134, Fax. +31 40 2831138 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 02:00:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA11960 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suntan.tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA11953 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Received: from papillon.lemis.com by suntan.tandem.com (8.6.12/suntan5.970212) id CAA13093; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:00:41 -0700 Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id PAA02522; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:05:09 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <199706250705.PAA02522@papillon.lemis.com> Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-Reply-To: <199706241944.FAA00315@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> from David Nugent at "Jun 25, 97 05:44:40 am" To: davidn@labs.usn.blaze.net.au (David Nugent) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:05:07 +0800 (HKT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Reply-to: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Nugent writes: >> The other good thing about OS/2 is that setting up dialup to the >> internet is painless. It took me weeks to get FreeBSD connected to >> the internet and even then with LOTS of help. My first internnet >> experience was with OS/2 and I got everything running in minutes not >> weeks. > > Yes, it is pretty easy, although I never made use of it. I use a > FreeBSD system as a router for a local network. :) I think that this is only part of the story. The first few times I set up a ppp connect (including to blazenet), it went like a dream. Then I tried to connect to Telstra, and discovered that they were expecting me to throw the first stone. Took me a long while to figure that out. And when the Chinese started talking X.25 over ppp, I had to give up altogether. The real problem, as I see it, is that ppp gives you lots of choice in connection setup, and if you find one of the more bizarre ones, you're on your own. >> I think Unix/FreeBSD won't get more acceptance at the desktop until >> there is more emphasis placed on usability. For instance setting up >> dialup PPP should not require people to understand so many things. > > You're leaving out or missing a large part of the picture. > > FreeBSD is not just a client system, and that's all the internet > dialer can really do. If you had to set up an OS/2 system as a > PPP server (which FreeBSD, as delivered, is quite capable of > doing), then I daresay you'll be in for all sorts of problems. While it's true that FreeBSD is more flexible, I don't think this makes for a more complex setup. The real problem is in the documentation. > Sure, FreeBSD is more complex to set up for the simple client > environment, but the emphasis on its development and use is not > really as a client system; ie. the "desktop". It can certainly > make a fine desktop system, but unlike the OS/2 system, it can > make an even better server. IBM's focus has obviously been more > specific, and therefore they can afford to cater for the desktop > user. There's nothing that would preclude FreeBSD catering *also* for the "desktop" user, unless it's time and inclination. >> If I knew more I would write a darn perl script (I just copied some >> files people gave me to get my ppp going). I do admit that once I had >> a different provider and it was much easier, but my current provider, >> IBM Net, uses chap/pap(?). > > So do I, incidently, with FreeBSD at both ends. > > Have you seen the handbook? If so, in what way didn't it provide the > information you needed to get ppp going? This document is the > real help-line. To be fair, the handbook is pretty superficial. I'm not trying to knock it--it's better than nothing--but we need something in much more depth. I'm not just bitching about it: I've got a document half ready, but I'm too busy at the moment to put on the final polish. If somebody starts bugging me, that may change. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 02:29:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13226 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13215; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA00793; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:59:26 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706250929.SAA00793@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ncrcontrol In-Reply-To: <19970625105843.31418@mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Jun 25, 97 10:58:43 am" To: se@freebsd.org (Stefan Esser) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:59:25 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > > silver:~>ncrcontrol > > T:L Vendor Device Rev Speed Max Wide Tags > > 0:0 MICROP 4110-09TBCU0322L HT01 10.0 10.0 8 4 > > 2:0 CDC 94181-15 0293 ? 5.0 ? - > > 3:0 CDC 94181-15 0293 ? 5.0 ? - > > 4:0 CDC 94181-15 0293 ? 5.0 ? - > > 5:0 CDC 94181-15 0293 ? 5.0 ? - > > 6:0 iomega jaz 1GB H.62 10.0 10.0 8 4 > > > > This configuration is _very_ stable, and both the 4110 and the Jaz seem > > to handle tags Just Fine. Of course if I could make the SCSI-1 disks > > do TCQ as well, I'd be even happier 8) > > Well, those CDC drives are 1800RPM, 1MB/s, if I > remember correctly ? Uh, I don't know why they identify themselves as 94181's; they're actually the 600M differential units, so 3600rpm and about 1-1.5MB/sec, but still mostly good for keeping the room warm. > Regards, STefan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 03:19:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15167 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15162 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA25014; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:19:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: FREEBSD-CHAT , henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Subject: Re: MPEG Layer 3 (.mp3) audio files In-Reply-To: <19224.867212748@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'm using mpeg_musicin and musicout, part of the mpegaudio utilities > in ports. Yeah, the mpegaudio-3.9 port looks like an earlier version of this mysterious archive I found called simply "dist08.tar.gz". It has the encode/musicin and decode/musicout utilities, the MPEG tables, a pcm2aiff utility and a few other things. I can stick it up on an FTP site or dig up the URL if there's interest in it. It takes about 3.6 times as long to encode a 44.1-kHz stereo track at 128 kbps as it does to play it, on a P200. :-/ > To grab the tracks, I use Charles Heinrich's cdd utility which you > can find on various FTP sites (and I have a copy up at > time.cdrom.com in my anon ftp area, but please get that only as a > last resort since that's my home machine and I don't have a T1 :-). I hope you don't mind if I grabbed it off your machine at 6 am EST. ;-) Of course, I stumbled across Charles' home page immediately after, which has a link to cdd on another site. ;-) My "MATSHITA CD-ROM CR-504 ST23" drive doesn't seem to be supported though. :( Charles, what info do you need to add a driver for it to cdd? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 03:39:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA16015 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA16010 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA27967; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:38:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Amancio Hasty cc: Torsten Blum , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MPEG Layer 3 (.mp3) audio files In-Reply-To: <199706250750.AAA04201@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > http://multiverse.com/~rhh/fxtv, or > ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/MPEG/audio/mpeg2/software/technical_report Aha, this is what I was referring to in an earlier post (except you mention an even newer version). This is what I've been using to convert raw PCM data to layer 3 MPEG audio (although without success so far, but that might have to do with bad PCM data snarfed off my CD-ROM). -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 03:51:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA16416 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lituus.fr (lituussun.lituus.fr [195.25.51.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA16411 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.25.51.10] (stephane.lituus.fr [195.25.51.10]) by lituus.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05847 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:50:13 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:51:21 +0200 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: stephane@e2c.com (Stephane Legrand) Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >While it's true that FreeBSD is more flexible, I don't think this >makes for a more complex setup. The real problem is in the >documentation. > > >To be fair, the handbook is pretty superficial. I'm not trying to >knock it--it's better than nothing--but we need something in much more >depth. I'm not just bitching about it: I've got a document half >ready, but I'm too busy at the moment to put on the final polish. If >somebody starts bugging me, that may change. > Just a suggestion for the documentation. Why don't include on the FreeBSD CD-Rom the Linux HOW-TO docs ? They seem pretty good and i think that it could help many people for the standard UNIX tools (XFree, ppp...). And it would be a good example of cooperation between UNIX free communities. Stephane. --> http://www.lituus.fr/stephane/ - To save the Internet, stop using Micro$oft softwares NOW ! - Do you want a REAL OS ? -> http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 06:00:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21436 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21431 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00315; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:59:57 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199706251259.WAA00315@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:05:07 +0800." <199706250705.PAA02522@papillon.lemis.com> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:59:53 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think that this is only part of the story. The first few times I > set up a ppp connect (including to blazenet), it went like a dream. > Then I tried to connect to Telstra, and discovered that they were > expecting me to throw the first stone. Yes, this is (user) ppp's default. Or was. I think Brian intended to change that. When I ran into the same problem while setting up auto-ppp/pap login on our server I was initially using ppp for testing, and it taok me a while to figure out why it wasn't working as well. I mentioned it to Brian who told me how to fix it, and he also mentioned he was going to change the default setting. I'm not sure whether that's been done yet or not. > > Sure, FreeBSD is more complex to set up for the simple client > > environment, but the emphasis on its development and use is not > > really as a client system; ie. the "desktop". It can certainly > > make a fine desktop system, but unlike the OS/2 system, it can > > make an even better server. IBM's focus has obviously been more > > specific, and therefore they can afford to cater for the desktop > > user. > > There's nothing that would preclude FreeBSD catering *also* for the > "desktop" user, unless it's time and inclination. Of course. Ultimately it comes down to someone spending the effort, and in a volunteer organisation, that's going to come from where individual developer's interests lie. > To be fair, the handbook is pretty superficial. I'm not trying to > knock it--it's better than nothing--but we need something in much more > depth. I'm not just bitching about it: I've got a document half > ready, but I'm too busy at the moment to put on the final polish. If > somebody starts bugging me, that may change. :-) Now you're asking for it. Cheers, David From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 06:31:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA22433 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22420; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA21205; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:31:39 -0700 (PDT) To: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) cc: davidn@labs.usn.blaze.net.au (David Nugent), chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:05:07 +0800." <199706250705.PAA02522@papillon.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:31:38 -0700 Message-ID: <21201.867245498@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > To be fair, the handbook is pretty superficial. I'm not trying to > knock it--it's better than nothing--but we need something in much more > depth. I'm not just bitching about it: I've got a document half Well, that's because not enough people have worked on it, some of them chosing instead to do divergent works in troff which didn't enhance the central body of documentation at all. ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 07:04:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23991 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23983; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28739; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:04:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:04:42 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Greg Lehey , David Nugent , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-Reply-To: <21201.867245498@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > To be fair, the handbook is pretty superficial. I'm not trying to > > knock it--it's better than nothing--but we need something in much more > > depth. I'm not just bitching about it: I've got a document half > > Well, that's because not enough people have worked on it, some of > them chosing instead to do divergent works in troff which didn't > enhance the central body of documentation at all. ;-) I'd point the finger of blame at the overall lack of documentation for anything more complicated than a toaster rather than people documenting things in the wrong way. It's not wrong format documentation that's a/the problem - it's merely lack of documentation. That's not a FreeBSD specific problem though, but it'd be nice if it got sorted out for FreeBSD. *Insert Gum Shield* M$ Windows does have good documentation though, perhaps due to people being paid to do it, or because there's a lot of people who can't write M$ Windows software but want to get it in on it. Oh I don't know, I hate writing documentation as much as anyone else, but it'd be nice if it was there. -- Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 08:04:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27228 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27218; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA21716; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Stephen Roome cc: Greg Lehey , David Nugent , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:04:42 BST." Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:04:35 -0700 Message-ID: <21712.867251075@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > *Insert Gum Shield* > M$ Windows does have good documentation though, perhaps due to people > being paid to do it, or because there's a lot of people who can't write M$ > Windows software but want to get it in on it. I think it's the paid part which does it. Happily, I'm now interviewing for a paid writer's position now so that this component of the problem can be dealt with. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 08:42:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA29133 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29115; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00227; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:41:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:41:59 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Greg Lehey , David Nugent , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-Reply-To: <21712.867251075@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > *Insert Gum Shield* > > M$ Windows does have good documentation though, perhaps due to people > > being paid to do it, or because there's a lot of people who can't write M$ > > Windows software but want to get it in on it. > > I think it's the paid part which does it. Happily, I'm now > interviewing for a paid writer's position now so that this component > of the problem can be dealt with. Actually I was expecting someone to flame me for saying that M$ Windows has better docs than FreeBSD, which isn't entirely true but... Eagerly awating documentation... ;) Hope (s)he's good. Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 08:53:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA29698 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29690; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA22128; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:53:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Stephen Roome cc: Greg Lehey , David Nugent , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:41:59 BST." Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:53:35 -0700 Message-ID: <22124.867254015@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I think it's the paid part which does it. Happily, I'm now > > interviewing for a paid writer's position now so that this component > > of the problem can be dealt with. > > Actually I was expecting someone to flame me for saying that M$ Windows > has better docs than FreeBSD, which isn't entirely true but... Actually, if our kernel was documented even half as well as NTs, we'd be total gods. Just because Microsoft does a lot of things wrong doesn't mean it does _everything_ wrong (and before 50 people all chime in about how NT's docs are definitely deficient in areas B, C and D, bear in mind that I'm talking about _comparative_ magnitude - NTs docs may leave you high and dry in some areas, but ours leave you wondering why you even bought a boat in the first place :-). > Eagerly awating documentation... ;) Hope (s)he's good. I'll be interviewing (s)he today [well, multiple (s)hes], so we'll just have to see. ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 09:16:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00735 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00725 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) id KAA22512; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:15:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199706251615.KAA22512@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: BSD io To: giles@nemeton.com.au (Giles Lean) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <28115.867186401@nemeton.com.au> from "Giles Lean" at Jun 25, 97 07:06:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Giles recently claimed: > I quite agree his degrees must be BS(*). :) > > *I'm sure there is an Australian slang dictionary *somewhere* on the > Web, but a broad hint is that the B stands for Bull. IBM missed a > similar problem with their "RS/6000". :) Yes, we're all aware of what BS means. Further definitions include MS (More of Same) and PhD (Piled hip Deep). Ibem was right on target - Really *ty /6000, aka Really Slow/6000. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 09:23:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01084 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01078 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) id KAA23825; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:19:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199706251619.KAA23825@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: BSD io To: terry@lambert.org Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706250744.JAA06682@truk.brandinnovators.com> from "Hans Zuidam" at Jun 25, 97 09:44:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: % In point of fact, I worked on a DOS communications program Frank Mayhar replied: > Geeze. Who here has _not_, at some point in their career, written a > DOS (or CP/M) communications program? The difference being that SOMEBODY has made 30 or 40 million $ (US) off the one that Terry worked on. ;^) Unfortunately, it was me, or Terry. Speaking of which: Terry, Greg decided his Carrera-4 wasn't getting him enough chicks these days, so he bought a Testa Rossa to go with it. Too bad he can't buy a personality, too. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 09:34:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01709 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01703 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip129-37-113-201.pa.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-113-201.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.113.201]) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA24988; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706251633.MAA24988@federation.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "FreeBSD Chat" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 12:31:26 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD documentation (was: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD?) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:04:35 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >I think it's the paid part which does it. Happily, I'm now >interviewing for a paid writer's position now so that this component >of the problem can be dealt with. I am so happy to hear someone will be dedicated to this (I hope the results are as good as the changes to the web site). May I suggest that the first thing this person revises/writes are the sections on how to contribute to the doc project. I once had the time and interest on helping on documentation, but simply could not figure out how to do it. I think it could be broken down on: -How to help with the handbook. -How to help with the man pages. -How to submit tutorials. Now that I have a bit more knowledge I lack the time, and still don't know how to contribute to the doc project. In particular it should be easy to find the location of the existing documents, how changes should be submited (including an example on using diff) and to who they should be submited. A template SGML file would also be very helpful (if SGML is still been used) By spending some of the initial efforts on this, would have a great long term benefits for the documentation since it will make it easier for people to help. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 10:03:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03095 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03090 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01964 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706251703.KAA01964@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: scsi scanner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:03:30 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I have a UMAX scanner and would like to know how the system can regonize it? hc0 rev 3 int a irq 15 on pci0:10:0 ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus0 at ahc0 bus 0 uk0 at scbus0 target 5 lun 0 uk0: type 6 fixed SCSI 2 uk0: Unknown uk1 at scbus0 target 5 lun 1 uk1: type 6 fixed SCSI 2 ... Trying to get "sane" a scsi scanner package to talk to my umax. "sane" uses low level scsi commands so I think all I need is a /dev/... something to talk to the scanner. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 11:29:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07296 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07277; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15665; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:28:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Francisco Reyes cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD Chat , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD documentation (was: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD?) In-Reply-To: <199706251633.MAA24988@federation.addy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Now that I have a bit more knowledge I lack the time, and still don't > know how to contribute to the doc project. In particular it should be > easy to find the location of the existing documents, how changes > should be submited (including an example on using diff) and to who > they should be submited. A template SGML file would also be very > helpful (if SGML is still been used) I'll see what I can do to documenting and streamline the submission policy. The best info at the moment is http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html, but it isn't very prominent and could use a lot more "how to" information. It may be better to de-emphasize issues of document format. If the *content* is good, I really don't care what the format is--SGML tagging is fairly mindless work. Unfortunatly, good programming skill and good technical writing skill seem to be mutually exclusive in practice. The FreeBSD crowd tends to have a lot more programmers than writers. -john From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 11:39:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07954 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hwcn.org (main.hwcn.org [199.212.94.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07949 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hwcn.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10238; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA13116; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:40:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: ac199@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca Reply-To: hoek@hwcn.org To: Francisco Reyes cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: FreeBSD documentation (was: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD?) In-Reply-To: <199706251633.MAA24988@federation.addy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Now that I have a bit more knowledge I lack the time, and still don't > know how to contribute to the doc project. In particular it should be > easy to find the location of the existing documents, how changes > should be submited (including an example on using diff) and to who > they should be submited. A template SGML file would also be very > helpful (if SGML is still been used) I think the question of where to find the location of existing documents could be generalized to "where to find FreeBSD sources". DocBook, the preferred SGML instance for document submissions, is quite fully documented. Our god, John Fieber, has a nice page with all kinds of useful links -- http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/docbook/ Possible complaints are: 1. DocBook isn't as simple and stupid as LinuxDoc. It's a some more work to learn. 2. I lied. DocBook isn't fully documented, but when the people being paid to document it finish, it will be. :) However, once you've learned it, you can use it for more than just handbook submissions. Eg. A DocBook document can be converted into a manpge. *** On the topic, I wish I could find a DocBook->WinHelp converter... DocBook->man->WinHelp is course... -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 12:08:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09085 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09049; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip129-37-112-181.pa.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-112-181.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.112.181]) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA07603; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706251908.PAA07603@federation.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD Chat List" Cc: "doc@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 15:11:28 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD documentation (was: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD?) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:28:51 -0500 (EST), John Fieber wrote: >On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Francisco Reyes wrote: >I'll see what I can do to documenting and streamline the >submission policy. I think a template SGML document and a documented sample would go a long way. Last time I tried I remember I downloaded some of the existing SGML and could not make much sense of them. >The best info at the moment is http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html, but it isn't very prominent >and could use a lot more "how to" information. The page is actually not bad at all, but I am wondering if there shouldn't be more prominence on the pages that direct users on how to help the project. I am sure that somewhere in the FAQ and Handbook it points out to that docproj page, but why not have right there in the main "www.freebsd.org". How about a page with links on how to help: the "How to Help the FreeBSD project page". This page could simply be links to sections of the FAQ and Handbook. >It may be better to de-emphasize issues of document format. If >the *content* is good, I really don't care what the format >is--SGML tagging is fairly mindless work. True, but it still takes time (your time or someone's elses time). I still think that a documented SGML template can go a long way. >Unfortunatly, good programming skill and good technical writing skill seem to be >mutually exclusive in practice. I am sure there are many people like myself, who are neither great at either, but are willing to improve at both. It is taking me a long time to get truly familiar with FreeBSD, but little by little I find myself doing a little more every day on it. I am even thinking of trying to use it for all my Internet needs (currently using OS/2 for that). >The FreeBSD crowd tends to have a lot more programmers than writers. This is going back to the "Desktop vs Server" issue. If FreeBSD is mostly used as a server then the people who use it will be mostly technical. If we can get it to be a bit easier to use then we may get many more people to use it as a desktop and THOSE are the people who may help us with the writing. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 12:17:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09725 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.buffalostate.edu (hummel@www.buffalostate.edu [136.183.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09720 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hummel@localhost) by www.buffalostate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04615; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:14:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave H." To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) / documentation In-Reply-To: <21201.867245498@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would be willing to help with this where I can. On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > To be fair, the handbook is pretty superficial. I'm not trying to > > knock it--it's better than nothing--but we need something in much more > > depth. I'm not just bitching about it: I've got a document half > > Well, that's because not enough people have worked on it, some of > them chosing instead to do divergent works in troff which didn't > enhance the central body of documentation at all. ;-) > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 13:23:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12316 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12311 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA08001 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:22:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15964; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:56:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970625215601.TJ53654@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:56:01 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD chat list) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc rc.local References: <21447.867247400@time.cdrom.com> <1886.867248039@critter.dk.tfs.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <1886.867248039@critter.dk.tfs.com>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Jun 25, 1997 16:13:59 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >I've noted before that it's always the smallest changes which incite > >the greatest number of follow-ups, ... > It's called "the Parkinson principle", which paraphrased goes something > like "You can get permission to build a nuclear plant, because people > do not understand it so they dare not object or they would show their > ignorance. But try to get permission for a bike-shelter..." You are _so_ right. I didn't remember Parkinson's law before, but now that you mention it, that's it. Sigh. This means we finally evolved into a fully-fledged bureaucracy. :-( -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 13:45:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13366 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13358 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA23397; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:45:28 -0700 (PDT) To: "Dave H." cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) / documentation In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:14:44 EDT." Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:45:28 -0700 Message-ID: <23394.867271528@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I would be willing to help with this where I can. Well, you should always feel free to dive on any of the handbook sections marked with an '*' (not written yet). :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 14:37:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15750 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15742 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA06000; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:25:03 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706252125.OAA06000@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD io To: softweyr@xmission.com (Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:25:03 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706251619.KAA23825@xmission.xmission.com> from "Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC" at Jun 25, 97 10:19:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Frank Mayhar replied: > > Geeze. Who here has _not_, at some point in their career, written a > > DOS (or CP/M) communications program? > > The difference being that SOMEBODY has made 30 or 40 million $ (US) > off the one that Terry worked on. ;^) Unfortunately, it was me, > or Terry. You mean *wasn't*. The guy who owned the company never issued stock options or did any profit sharing. Regualt Entrepeneur. > Speaking of which: Terry, Greg decided his Carrera-4 wasn't getting him > enough chicks these days, so he bought a Testa Rossa to go with it. > Too bad he can't buy a personality, too. Ghah! Just what I needed to hear! Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 17:56:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24062 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24045; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17198; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:56:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Francisco Reyes cc: FreeBSD Chat List , "doc@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: FreeBSD documentation (was: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD?) In-Reply-To: <199706251908.PAA07603@federation.addy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Francisco Reyes wrote: > I think a template SGML document and a documented sample would go a > long way. Last time I tried I remember I downloaded some of the > existing SGML and could not make much sense of them. After your first post, I actually started sketching one out. That combined with a cookbook of common markup structures (lists, examples, computer terms, cross referneces, footnotes, etc.) would be good. > >It may be better to de-emphasize issues of document format. If > >the *content* is good, I really don't care what the format > >is--SGML tagging is fairly mindless work. > > True, but it still takes time (your time or someone's elses time). I > still think that a documented SGML template can go a long way. It takes time, but nowhere near the time it takes to fix up incoherent content. :) -john From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 25 18:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24504 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24481 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17213; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:03:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:03:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Dave H." , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: OS/2 users going to FreeBSD? :-) / documentation In-Reply-To: <23394.867271528@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > I would be willing to help with this where I can. > > Well, you should always feel free to dive on any of the handbook > sections marked with an '*' (not written yet). :-) Better yet, monitor the questions mailing list and stake out some area that tend to be big trouble spots. Just because it is in the handbook table of contents with a * by it doesn't necessairly mean it is a high priority thing to get wirtten. The table of contents now isn't that much different from a year (or two?) ago when I first brainstormed it. Since then FreeBSD has matured a lot, aquired entire new bands of users and the documentation needs now may not be quite the same. Also, just as important as contributing new stuff is editing and updating the old. There are definately sections that need re-working. For example, does the (relatively) new PPP doc in the tutorials obsolete the PPP info in the handbook? As for the general priorities, see www.freebsd.org/docproj.html. -john From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 00:28:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08473 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08468 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01442; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706260729.AAA01442@implode.root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1997/06/26 (wcarchive.cdrom.com) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:14:42 PDT." <199706260714.AAA18479@wcarchive.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:29:25 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Bytes transferred : 185,490,560,785 Wow! Needless to say, this is a new alltime one day traffic record for wcarchive. The previous record was 153.6GB and was set on May 18th of last month. Our Internet service with CRL has been dramatically improved over the past few days and today was the first day where everything was working for most of the day. In fact there are still a few problems with Sprint and no connectivity at all with AGIS, so the numbers could have been even a little better than this. ...but I'm not complaining. :-) -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > Total FTP HTTP FTP HTTP Total Total >Archive Name Bytes(k) Bytes(k) Bytes(k) Files Files %Bytes %Files >-------------- ------------ ----------- ----------- ------ ------ ------ ------ >_FreeBSD 40,053,582 40,040,980 12,601 240473 1718 21.59 31.81 >_simtelnet 38,467,454 31,081,329 7,386,124 55571 19553 20.74 9.87 >_games 22,276,483 22,065,532 210,951 18044 1814 12.01 2.61 >_linux 19,716,965 17,262,351 2,454,613 77808 13884 10.63 12.04 >_idgames2 16,865,145 11,622,849 5,242,295 30805 17697 9.09 6.37 >_gamesdomain 11,776,763 11,762,318 14,445 2266 43 6.35 0.30 >_idgames 9,151,192 8,377,747 773,444 15225 5679 4.93 2.75 >_demos 7,715,461 5,810,910 1,904,550 25422 23850 4.16 6.47 >_windows 3,608,584 3,370,703 237,880 5672 3302 1.95 1.18 >_gt 3,484,750 3,484,739 11 312 3 1.88 0.04 ... From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 02:46:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14266 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suntan.tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA14261 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Received: from papillon.lemis.com by suntan.tandem.com (8.6.12/suntan5.970212) id CAA15148; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:46:03 -0700 Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id RAA01371; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:45:22 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <199706260945.RAA01371@papillon.lemis.com> Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1997/06/26 (wcarchive.cdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <199706260729.AAA01442@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Jun 26, 97 00:29:25 am" To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:45:20 +0800 (HKT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Reply-to: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman writes: >> Bytes transferred : 185,490,560,785 Nice Out of interest, what's the uptime like? How often does the system go down, for what reasons, and for how long? This isn't just idle interest. Tandem, who are still in the UNIX business, claim that their Integrity machines are ideal for this sort of thing. I haven't seen anything like this performance, but I was wondering what the up time was like. FWIW, the last figures I recall from Tandem were something like 99.99% uptime, which translates to about 53 minutes a year. I'd be interested to see how much worse (if at all) wcarchive is. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 02:49:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14397 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14392 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA26095; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:50:13 -0700 (PDT) To: dg@root.com cc: ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1997/06/26 (wcarchive.cdrom.com) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:29:25 PDT." <199706260729.AAA01442@implode.root.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:50:13 -0700 Message-ID: <26091.867318613@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Bytes transferred : 185,490,560,785 > > Wow! Needless to say, this is a new alltime one day traffic record for > wcarchive. The previous record was 153.6GB and was set on May 18th of last > month. Though: 4,352,938,268 mother.cdrom.com 4,348,383,195 /simtelnet 4,555,073 /games Copying the simtelnet archive to mother seems to account for at least 4Gb of that. :) JOrdan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 02:56:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14663 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14657 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA03114; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706260958.CAA03114@implode.root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1997/06/26 (wcarchive.cdrom.com) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:45:20 +0800." <199706260945.RAA01371@papillon.lemis.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:58:04 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >David Greenman writes: >>> Bytes transferred : 185,490,560,785 > >Nice > >Out of interest, what's the uptime like? How often does the system go >down, for what reasons, and for how long? > >This isn't just idle interest. Tandem, who are still in the UNIX >business, claim that their Integrity machines are ideal for this sort >of thing. I haven't seen anything like this performance, but I was >wondering what the up time was like. FWIW, the last figures I recall >from Tandem were something like 99.99% uptime, which translates to >about 53 minutes a year. I'd be interested to see how much worse (if >at all) wcarchive is. Since upgrading to 2.2.x, we've had only one failure (a system hang) that is thought to have been already fixed. I noticed the problem only minutes after it occured, and rebooted the machine. Total unscheduled downtime is about 15 minutes in the past 6 months. The machine has also been down for hardware upgrades and repairs (disk drives) a couple of times for an hour or so. Tandem's business is fault tolerant hardware systems, and I'm sure they beat us in that category hands down. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 09:07:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27908 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27900; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18542; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Stokely To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: dg@root.com, ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1997/06/26 (wcarchive.cdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <26091.867318613@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Plus 600mb for artpacks to mother.cdrom.com yesterday. Still thats a huge increase. Murray Stokely On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Bytes transferred : 185,490,560,785 > > > > Wow! Needless to say, this is a new alltime one day traffic record for > > wcarchive. The previous record was 153.6GB and was set on May 18th of last > > month. > > Though: > > 4,352,938,268 mother.cdrom.com > 4,348,383,195 /simtelnet > 4,555,073 /games > > Copying the simtelnet archive to mother seems to account for at least > 4Gb of that. :) > > JOrdan > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 09:41:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29452 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29425; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA07826; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:29:37 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706261629.JAA07826@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD io To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:29:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706250430.VAA11972@exit.com> from "Frank Mayhar" at Jun 24, 97 09:30:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In point of fact, I worked on a DOS communications program > > that could do the same on an 8MHz AT. It took the interrupt > > for the first character, disabled interrupts, and polled like > > hell until there was a break in the data. It's all a matter > > of how you program it. > > Geeze. Who here has _not_, at some point in their career, written a > DOS (or CP/M) communications program? It's not the same thing at all. Mine was commercial, and it was the top rated communications program for UNIX systems (beating out even UUCP) for four years in a row. It was also the first shrink-wrapped psoftware ever sold for UNIX systems. It could also emulate a VT100 well enough to run EDT or LSE, with you sitting at a Hazeltine, Televideo, Wyse, IBM 3101, or other not-at-all-DEC-compatible terminal. And vice versa. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 09:47:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29796 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyber2.servtech.com (root@cyber2.servtech.com [199.1.22.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29791 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jh2.tor.servtech.com (jh2.tor.servtech.com [204.181.8.196]) by cyber2.servtech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21847 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Cockatoo Demolition Consortium From: Queen Rusty To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Joke Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This was on a Bird list I am on . Sorry If it's not appropriate A man goes into a pet shop to buy a parrot. The shop owner points to three identical looking parrots on a perch and says: "the parrot on the left costs 500 dollars". "Why does the parrot cost so much?" asks the man. The owner says, "Well the parrot knows how to use a computer". The man then asks about the next parrot to be told that this one costs 1,000 dollars because it can do everything the other parrot can do plus it knows how to use the UNIX operating system. Naturally, the increasingly startled man asks about the third parrot to be told that it costs 2,000 dollars. Needless to say this begs the question "What can it do?" To which the owner replies "to be honest I have never seen it do a thing but the other two call him boss!". == Queen Rusty and her subjects: Ruckus and Zorro, Telly , Jen and Luke and 4 cats JOEY And a variable number of foster kittens http://www.servtech.com/public/isis From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 10:03:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00806 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00801 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706261701.NAA05501@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.6.0. Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Terry Lambert cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD io In-Reply-To: <199706261629.JAA07826@phaeton.artisoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > It's not the same thing at all. Mine was commercial, and it was > the top rated communications program for UNIX systems (beating > out even UUCP) for four years in a row. It was also the first > shrink-wrapped psoftware ever sold for UNIX systems. It could > also emulate a VT100 well enough to run EDT or LSE, with you > sitting at a Hazeltine, Televideo, Wyse, IBM 3101, or other > not-at-all-DEC-compatible terminal. And vice versa. I'm curious, what was this software, and did you port it to FreeBSD yet? Jamie Bowden System Administrator, iTRiBE.net From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 10:10:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01218 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01210; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (wself@localhost) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19493; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Self To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: dg@root.com, ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1997/06/26 (wcarchive.cdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <26091.867318613@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How much do the mirrors account for? wayne ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Bytes transferred : 185,490,560,785 > > > 4,352,938,268 mother.cdrom.com > 4,348,383,195 /simtelnet > 4,555,073 /games > > Copying the simtelnet archive to mother seems to account for at least > 4Gb of that. :) > > JOrdan > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 10:13:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01320 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01315 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07901; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:00:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706261700.KAA07901@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD io To: jamie@itribe.net (Jamie Bowden) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:00:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706261701.NAA05501@gatekeeper.itribe.net> from "Jamie Bowden" at Jun 26, 97 01:02:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It's not the same thing at all. Mine was commercial, and it was > > the top rated communications program for UNIX systems (beating > > out even UUCP) for four years in a row. It was also the first > > shrink-wrapped psoftware ever sold for UNIX systems. It could > > also emulate a VT100 well enough to run EDT or LSE, with you > > sitting at a Hazeltine, Televideo, Wyse, IBM 3101, or other > > not-at-all-DEC-compatible terminal. And vice versa. > > I'm curious, what was this software, and did you port it to FreeBSD yet? "TERM Communications Software, from Century Software, Inc." And ever since I went to Novell (I've since left them as well) to hack UNIX kernels, I haven't had access to the source code (it's not mine to port). So unless Wes did the job while he was the developement manager there, it probably has not been ported. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 11:32:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04611 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04558; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0whJKs-000o32C; Thu, 26 Jun 97 20:32 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:18:46 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #2 built 1997-Feb-8) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:13:11 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #4 built 1997-Jun-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: BSD io In-Reply-To: <199706261629.JAA07826@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Jun 26, 97 09:29:36 am" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:13:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: > It's not the same thing at all. Mine was commercial, and it was > the top rated communications program for UNIX systems (beating > out even UUCP) for four years in a row. It was also the first > shrink-wrapped psoftware ever sold for UNIX systems. It could > also emulate a VT100 Terrrrry!!! The name please, i want to know the name! [Das man Dir auch immer alles _einzeln_ aus der Nase ziehen muss ... :-) ] Ehem - and - where can we get the source after all these years now ? ;-) hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe There is a difference between an open mind and a hole in the head From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 17:15:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21875 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21863 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) id SAA00117; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:15:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199706270015.SAA00117@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: BSD io To: hm@kts.org Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, terry@lambert.org In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" at Jun 26, 97 08:13:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hellmuth Michaelis asked Terry Lambert: > Terrrrry!!! The name please, i want to know the name! [Das man Dir auch > immer alles _einzeln_ aus der Nase ziehen muss ... :-) ] > > Ehem - and - where can we get the source after all these years now ? ;-) TERM for UNIX, from Century Software. You can get the source code by going to work for Century. They're looking. ;^) +1.801.268.3088. It is still sold, actively, for a number of UNIX systems, not including FreeBSD. They do have a version for SCO, I don't know if it runs on FreeBSD or not. Or, you could convince them to contract someone (namely me) to make a FreeBSD port and sell it via their web page: www.censoft.com. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 17:15:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21888 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21865 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) id SAA29397; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:12:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199706270012.SAA29397@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: BSD io To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706261700.KAA07901@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 26, 97 10:00:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert recently illuminated us: > "TERM Communications Software, from Century Software, Inc." > > And ever since I went to Novell (I've since left them as well) to > hack UNIX kernels, I haven't had access to the source code (it's not > mine to port). > > So unless Wes did the job while he was the developement manager there, > it probably has not been ported. I did, but I couldn't convince Greg to release it, even under the plan of "ftp it from us, send us $99, and we'll support you if we get around to it." I have the only running copy of TERM for FreeBSD, and would not make another without Greg's permission. Lon Willet also had a port to NetBSD that differed from mine in a few trivial ways; his probably featured slightly better performance but mine was cleaner and easier to build. ;^) TERM really *is* a killer package. You can actually emulate a SCO console, a Wyse 60, or an IBM 3101 in an xterm. It also has the best file transfer (i.e. asynch/modem) engine anywhere. If you want it released for *BSD/Linux, mailto:greg@censoft.com and tell him. I'm sure he'll appreciate hearing from you. No, don't go mail-bomb the place, just let him know the UNIX marketplace is still viable and he can make some money there. Tell your Linux friends, too. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 26 20:21:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00794 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hwcn.org (main.hwcn.org [199.212.94.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00789 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hwcn.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20476; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA08832; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:21:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: ac199@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca Reply-To: hoek@hwcn.org To: Michael Smith cc: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exchange vs. Notes In-Reply-To: <199706080140.LAA16645@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > Large organisations like major telcos take a long time to adapt to any > sort of change, but ultimately they are the ones with the capital, the > advertising bulk, and the infrastructure required to out-compete > everyone else. Don't get me wrong, I don't _like_ the thought, I just > think it's inevitable. The Internet provider owned by my telco provides me with much better service than I ever got from any ISP... Only complaints would be no IMAP connections, and that they don't tend to mirror various public ftp sites (which io.org, mentioned >once on these lists was good at, if nothing else...). Both complaints are only marginally relevant... -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 27 12:22:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09388 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09383 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01643 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706271922.MAA01643@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: scanner software and scsi subsystem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:21:59 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I am playing with "sane": http://www.azstarnet.com/~axplinux/sane/ >From the docs: When using this controller, be sure to configure the kernel such that tagged command queueing is disabled, targets are not allowed to disconnect, and make sure the SCSI timeout is reasonably big; the default timeout for the Linux 2.0 kernels is 10 seconds, which is way too low when scanning large area. So I am wondering how can I disable tagged command queuing and not to allow target disconnect? My controller is an adaptec 2940. Already ported "sane" however something is wrong in the way of protocol handshaking with my UMAX-S12 and my guess is it has to deal with the above two features. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 27 18:21:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26455 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26449 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01537 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:21:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:21:33 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Powered by FreeBSD logo buttons Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What happened with the powered by FreeBSD logo buttons? Have they been done or did they die for lack of interest? I had some interest in Australia for a few (lost all my mail though so I don't know who they were :-( ) Assuming I can get some I am willing to order the minimum amount and will pass them on to interested people over here. Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 27 18:54:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27736 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27730; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01616; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706280120.SAA01616@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Free At Last: A Scanner Storyn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:20:38 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Briefly, the software for Win95 which came with my scsi scanner, UMAX-S2, sucks. By accident I stumble upon "sane" a scsi scanner package: http://www.azstarnet.com/~axplinux/sane/ After a couple of days of hacking I managed to get it going on FreeBSD. If anyone is interested in *helping* out flushing the remaining bugs , please drop me me a note. The most critical problems are proper formatting / handling of scsi commands. I patched up sane so it can run with my UMAX S-12. Overall, is a thumbs up for "sane" specially compared to UMAX's software package. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 27 19:25:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29063 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29058 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA00784; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 21:24:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 21:24:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Andrew Perry cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Powered by FreeBSD logo buttons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Andrew Perry wrote: > What happened with the powered by FreeBSD logo buttons? Have they been > done or did they die for lack of interest? Same place as always, www.freebsd.org/gallery.html The link to the gallery has sort of slipped between the cracks in the new home page, but will be brought back in. (There still are links to the page, but they are not too obvious.) -john From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 27 19:39:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29688 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29682 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01879; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:39:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrew Perry cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Powered by FreeBSD logo buttons In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:21:33 +1000." Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1876.867465548@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What happened with the powered by FreeBSD logo buttons? Have they been > done or did they die for lack of interest? I don't follow? Take a look at the gallery page - is that what you're referring to? Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 27 21:33:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA04201 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 21:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obie.softweyr.ml.org ([199.104.124.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04196 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 21:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.ml.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA24251; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706280437.WAA24251@obie.softweyr.ml.org> From: Wes Peters To: Andrew Perry CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Powered by FreeBSD logo buttons In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Perry writes: > What happened with the powered by FreeBSD logo buttons? Have they been > done or did they die for lack of interest? > > I had some interest in Australia for a few (lost all my mail though so I > don't know who they were :-( ) > > Assuming I can get some I am willing to order the minimum amount and will > pass them on to interested people over here. No, actually, it just heated up yesterday. I never got any submissions of graphics for the logo, so today I emailed Tatsumi Hosokawa (I hope I spelled it right) to ask for help. I'm ready to proceed as soon as I get suitable artwork. It must be 1" by 1", 6 colors or less, and feature Chuck. If we don't put "FreeBSD" on it, or just stick with "BSD", I can probably interest the {Net,Open}BSD crowd as well, swelling our customer base significantly. ;^) If you want to submit artwork, mailto:softweyr@xmission.com. It doesn't need to be camera-ready, but should be sized appropriately and have 6 or fewer colors; I AM NOT AN ARTIST! -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 04:11:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17275 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 04:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA17270 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 04:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.176.130.8] (serialA07.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.8]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11604; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:09:12 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: robmel@mailhost.innotts.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706280437.WAA24251@obie.softweyr.ml.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:08:34 +0100 To: Wes Peters , Andrew Perry From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Powered by FreeBSD logo buttons Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 5:37 am +0100 28/6/97, Wes Peters wrote: >... and have 6 or >fewer colors; I AM NOT AN ARTIST! Noone needs 6 colours unless you're doing special metallics (for example). Would you accept 4 colour process? Robin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction Information Services Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team Tel: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 work: robmel@nadt.org.uk home: robmel@innotts.co.uk Pages: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~robmel (home page) http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt (substance misuse pages) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 07:29:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21457 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21438; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23661; Sat, 28 Jun 97 10:28:29 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA25454; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:26:49 -0400 Message-Id: <19970628102649.41212@ct.picker.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:26:49 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Plugin and Amaya is a go 8) References: <199706170613.XAA21590@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 In-Reply-To: <199706170613.XAA21590@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Mon, Jun 16, 1997 at 11:13:58PM -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Plug-ins also work fine with the Linux version of Netscape under FreeBSD (at least they did last Novemember when I played with this), but alas didn't look like they're supported at all with the BSD version. Randall Hopper Amancio Hasty: |Now this is what I have done. | |I downloaded the Unix Midi Plugin which uses |timidiy to play midi files. Compile the plugin using netscape's |PluginSDK30b5. Copy the shared object to amaya's plugin directory |and tested the functionality with a sample test page: |http://rah.star-gate.com/foo.htm which basically plays back |the midi file missio_1.mid (mission impossible theme). | |For further info on the Unix Midi Plugin see: |http://www.rhichome.bnl.gov/~hoff/pluginInfo.htm | |For info on the World Wide Web Consortium's amaya see: |http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 07:52:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22373 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA22368 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id QAA04818; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:52:36 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01030; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:42:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970628164221.CX49036@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:42:21 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Subject: Re: scanner software and scsi subsystem References: <199706271922.MAA01643@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199706271922.MAA01643@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Jun 27, 1997 12:21:59 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Amancio Hasty wrote: > So I am wondering how can I disable tagged command queuing and not to > allow target disconnect? There's an option for the first (or i think, it's rather the opposite, you gotta explicitly enable tagged command queuing). Disallowing target disconnects is nothing i would ever do on a real SCSI bus. If this scanner is really broken enough to need this, better hook it onto a bus of its own. This is more appropriate for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org anyway... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 10:26:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27661 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27652 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA15619 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:26:19 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id TAA01923 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:26:05 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.6/keltia-uucp-2.9) id TAA08336; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970628192424.44753@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:24:24 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: Tour in the US Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3392 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A friend of mine (also a FreeBSDist) and I will be in the US from July, 29th to August 15th. We start in New-York till the 5th then go to the Sci-Fi convention at Milwaukee till the 10th and then for 5 days in San Francisco. It would be nice to meet some of you. I know there is a BSD group in Milwaukee and I guess it won't be difficult to find some BSDists in SF :-) Is there anyone in New-York ? Anyone having a recommendation for an hotel in SF ? I'm looking forward to meet some of you, after all these years of e-mail... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #20: Fri Jun 13 00:16:13 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 12:00:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00973 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00968 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00421; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706281900.MAA00421@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scanner software and scsi subsystem In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:42:21 +0200." <19970628164221.CX49036@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:00:33 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tnks I am pretty close to wrap it up and it is working beautifully over here. Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of J Wunsch : > As Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > So I am wondering how can I disable tagged command queuing and not to > > allow target disconnect? > > There's an option for the first (or i think, it's rather the opposite, > you gotta explicitly enable tagged command queuing). > > Disallowing target disconnects is nothing i would ever do on a real > SCSI bus. If this scanner is really broken enough to need this, > better hook it onto a bus of its own. > > This is more appropriate for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org anyway... > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 16:00:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07657 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.petrat.com ([207.44.154.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07651 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petrat.therat.petrat.com (petrat.petrat.com [207.44.154.11]) by www.petrat.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA00321 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33B4F0BB.5F0B@www.petrat.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 04:08:43 -0700 From: Marcus Zafarano Organization: Pet Rat Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi: I need to setup users in /users/???? so that they cannot transverse out of there home directory. I can get it setup this way, but then when I login on my own account (through BSD or an xserver not ftp, althoght ftp works) it puts me @ / (I also have myself commneted out fo the chroot file) and it still puts me @ /. Is there any way to setup someone with secure FTP and then have them log on to the system so that they are put in their hoem directory instead of /. thnks -mez From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 16:02:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07725 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.petrat.com ([207.44.154.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07718 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petrat.therat.petrat.com (petrat.petrat.com [207.44.154.11]) by www.petrat.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA00327 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33B4F12E.173C@www.petrat.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 04:10:38 -0700 From: Marcus Zafarano Organization: Pet Rat Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Apache Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know this isn't a list for list for Apache, but does any one know how eliminate the virtual host port numbers so that when one uses a browser you don't have to type in www.????.???:[port number]. Maybe I can be pointed in the right direction/s? thnks -mez From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 22:29:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18284 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (bmccane.uit.net [208.129.189.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18279; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (localhost.mccane.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmccane.uit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16622; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706290529.AAA16622@bmccane.uit.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free At Last: A Scanner Storyn In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:20:38 PDT." <199706280120.SAA01616@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:29:31 -0500 From: Wm Brian McCane Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would love to look at this. I have a Mustek 12000SP, and was looking at porting PINT, but haven't had time to convert the NetBSD device driver to be compatible with FreeBSD. How do you get it to recognize the SCSI device, I have tried using uk0, and also have setup 'sctarg' and 'pt' in the kernel with no luck. brian From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 28 23:30:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20022 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20017; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07386; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706290630.XAA07386@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Wm Brian McCane cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free At Last: A Scanner Storyn In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:29:31 CDT." <199706290529.AAA16622@bmccane.uit.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:30:06 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, sane web page: http://www.azstarnet.com/~axplinux/sane/ gimp web page: http://www.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/~gimp/ This is what I did to the scsi subsystem: /sys/scsi/scsiconf.c: static struct scsidevs unknowndev = { T_UNKNOWN, T_UNKNOWN, 0, "*", "*", "*", "uk", SC_ONE_LU /* "uk", SC_MORE_LUS*/ }; /sys/scsi/scsi_ioctl.c: case XS_BUSY: SC_DEBUG(xs->sc_link,SDEV_DB3,("busy\n")); screq->retsts = SCCMD_BUSY; break; default: /*sc_print_addr(xs->sc_link); */ screq->retsts = SCCMD_UNKNOWN; break; } I changed "default:" to just pass along the "unknown" error messages. With my umax-s12 I was getting scsi error messages of type "INTERMEDIATE" when the umax was busy and sane was sending scsi messages to it. Hopefully, one of our scsi experts will fix scsi_ioctl to handle properly all scsi error messages. With the ioctl patch you don't need to run the scanner with scsi disconnect disabled as the sane documentation recommends. Haven't check out tagged queuing however I doubt that it will be a problem. ---- mknod /dev/uk0 --- download sane and gimp from my ftp site: ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/gimp-0.9.10.tar.gz ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/sane-0.6.tar.gz ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/out.jpg out.jpg is a sample scan of a picture taken at 100dpi resolution. You will need gmake to compile gimp and sane Additionally define : setenv CC gcc Try no to type ./configure for gimp or sane if you do be prepare to fix up the build problems. compile and install gimp . This should be no problem. compile and install sane-0.6 copy sane-0.6/backend/dll.conf to /usr/local/etc/sane.d/dll.conf make sure that dll.conf has mustek in it: {root} more backend/dll.conf # enable the next line if you want to allow access through the network: #net pnm mustek hp qcam umax --- ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib cp gimp/frontend/.libs/xscanimage /usr/local/lib/gimp/0.99.10/plug-ins/xscanimage If all goes well you will be able to run sane: xscanimage mustek or run gimp and select from the Xtns menu "Acquire Image". If you have problems you can trace your scsi transactions: scsi -f /dev/uk0 -d 255 make sure that you compile a kernel with the option "SCSIDEBUG" To talk to the scsi scanner I use the scsi library and the same approach should work with your mustek -- I hope. Anyhow I cant test the software over here because I don't have a mustek scanner. sane uses low level scsi calls to talk to the scsi scanners. Also it will be nice if someone just takes over sane and scsi friends what I have is a good start given that at least it works with my UMAX S12. I am running FreeBSD 3.0-current no clue if any of this works on earlier releases of FreeBSD. Last but not least I will be out of town till Wednesday . Good Luck ! Amancio >From The Desk Of Wm Brian McCane : > I would love to look at this. I have a Mustek 12000SP, and was looking at > porting PINT, but haven't had time to convert the NetBSD device driver to be > compatible with FreeBSD. How do you get it to recognize the SCSI device, I > have tried using uk0, and also have setup 'sctarg' and 'pt' in the kernel wit h > no luck. > > brian > >