From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 6 15:00:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07762 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix.tcsn.net (jon@unix.tcsn.net [206.190.91.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07740 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jon@localhost) by unix.tcsn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23944 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:04:27 -0700 From: "Jonathan H. Pickard" Message-Id: <199707062204.PAA23944@unix.tcsn.net> Subject: QIC clarification To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi -- In the FreeBSD handbook it's mentioned that you can load off of QIC or SCSI tapes. Please be advised that QIC-02 is _not_ the only standard for electrical interface to a tape drive -- QIC-117 (floppy) interface is far more popular and recognized as QIC (but I'm still not sure whether the installer supports it or not...) Other than that, I find the FreeBSD documentation to be quite well written and enjoyable to read. Keep up the good work! -jhp -- Jon Pickard * System Administrator * TCSN - The Computer Shop Netlink 1306 Pine Street * Paso Robles, CA 93446 FrontPage hosting * Domain hosting * Database - Web interfacing (805) 227-7000 * $19.95/mo. unlimited PPP * (800) 974-DISK From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 6 22:44:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26018 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (root@jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26008 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saul7.u.washington.edu (root@saul7.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.2]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.04/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA31912 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:44:13 -0700 Received: from s5-25-199.student.washington.edu (S5-25-199.student.washington.edu [128.95.25.199]) by saul7.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.04/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id WAA14368 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970707054627.007b2100@jcwells.deskmail.washington.edu> X-Sender: jcwells@jcwells.deskmail.washington.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 05:46:27 +0000 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jason Wells Subject: Website error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The following document has a slight error. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ32.html#32 It says that there are three questions that one should ask. I then only list two questions. What is the third question? Have fun with it, Jason Wells __ __ / 0\ / 0\ Thank you * Highperformance.net ) Wannabe Sysadmin * The homeless domain )-------( Jason Wells * "Pardon me sir, spare some bandwidth?" \_____/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 7 06:30:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA12454 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 06:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nyplgate.nypl.org (nyplgate.nypl.org [149.123.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA12449 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 06:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33C0EF50.5D3D@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:29:52 -0400 From: Vincent Ciminna Organization: Research Analysis Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Send documentation to: Dr. Vincent P. Ciminna P.O. Box 1277 New York, NY 10163 From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 7 08:07:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17875 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (root@jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17864 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (root@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.04/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA17428; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:06:51 -0700 Received: from s5-25-199.student.washington.edu (S5-25-199.student.washington.edu [128.95.25.199]) by saul2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.04/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id IAA25576; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970707150906.007b1770@jcwells.deskmail.washington.edu> X-Sender: jcwells@jcwells.deskmail.washington.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:09:06 +0000 To: "Sergei S. Laskavy" From: Jason Wells Subject: Re: Website error Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199707071030.OAA21325@ns.cs.msu.su> References: <3.0.2.32.19970707054627.007b2100@jcwells.deskmail.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 14:30 07-07-97 +0400, you wrote: >>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Wells writes: > > Jason> The following document has a slight error. > Jason> http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ32.html#32 > > Jason> It says that there are three questions that one should > Jason> ask. I then only list two questions. > > Jason> What is the third question? > >The third question is: > What is the third question? I do not understand this response. Is this humor or did I not make myself clear? Here is clarification if the latter is the case. Perhaps I used a bad sentence in the above message. >> I then only list two questions. should read like this >>It then only list two questions. "It" being the document in question. I do not have any questions. There is a problem with the documentation. I am telling you that there is no third question in the document. As I read this document, it seems to me that something is missing. Sorry if I caused any confusion. Thank you, Jason Wells __ __ / 0\ / 0\ Thank you * Highperformance.net ) Wannabe Sysadmin * The homeless domain )-------( Jason Wells * "Pardon me sir, spare some bandwidth?" \_____/ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 8 08:19:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA21937 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hcfa.gov (gate.hcfa.gov [158.73.85.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21930 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707081519.IAA21930@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by hcfa.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jul 1997 11:10:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 97 11:19:35 -0700 From: awilli5 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22NOV (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: perl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to run perl programs on my BSD server. What are the steps I need to do this. The perl programs will be used as cgi scripts on the internet. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 8 10:44:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28345 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.allinfosys.com (ns1.allinfosys.com [207.55.155.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28339 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from interjection.com ([206.154.184.118]) by ns1.allinfosys.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11221) with SMTP id AAA242; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:27:34 -0500 From: hrsuccess-m@interjection.com To: hrsuccess-m@interjection.com Subject: Deliver Training / The Internet! 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Some of our best accounts have been generated by this listing. If possible, we would like the listing updated to: "IDIOM - A professional full-service ISP based in Northern California" the link remains http://www.idiom.com Thanks -- Vonnie vgurgin@idiom.com From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 9 00:07:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01732 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01675; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04315; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:35:19 +0200 (CEST) To: bde@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: wisdom on IDE devices Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 08:35:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4313.868430119@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dunno if this is useful to any og you guys: From: mevans@qntm.com (Mark Evans) Subject: C/H/S and LBA Calculation Rules To: t13@dt.wdc.com Hello all, I am still a little confused (maybe a lot confused) about the rules for CHS and LBA values in IDENTIFY DEVICE data and in the Task File for commands. Soooo, I updated the rules that Dan Colgrove and I put together a couple of months ago including what I think is said in Dan's latest revision of his SET MAX proposal, and Curtis Steven's proposal for modification of Annex B. Could you all take a look at this and see if I, a) got what's here correct, and b) left anything out? Please call me or send an email to me if you have any questions or comments. Thanks in advance, Mark Evans Quantum Corporation 500 McCarthy Boulevard Milpitas, CA 95035 USA Tel: 408-894-4019 FAX: 408-894-4990 email: mevans@qntm.com C/H/S and LBA Calculation Rules I. General Rules 1) The following is a list of variables and constants and their maximum values from IDENTIFY DEVICE data used in these rules: C = Word 1 (# of default logical cylinders, if I6061 <= 16,515,072 then C <= 16,383, if I6061 > 16,515,072 then C = 16,383) H = Word 3 (# of default logical heads, <= 16, may be = 15 if C > 8191) S = Word 6 (# of default logical sectors, <= 63) Cip = Word 54 (# of cylinders in the current translation, <= 65,535) Hip = Word 55 (# of heads in the current translation, <= 16) Sip = Word 56 (# of sectors in the current translation, if I6061 <= 1,032,192 then Sip <= 255, if I6061 > 1,032,192 then Sip <= 63) I5758 = Words 57-58 (current capacity in sectors, <= 16,515,072) I6061 = Words 60-61 (total # of user addressable sectors, <= 267,382,800) 2) All results of divisions are integers with the remainder discarded. 3) If a SET MAX ADDRESS command specifies the C/H/S mode, then the logical cylinder, head and sector values set by the host in the task file for the command specify the maximum ADDRESS to be used by the device for C/H/S. These ARE NOT the specific maximum cylinder, head and sector values to be used by the device. 4) Devices may access any address requested by the host in CHS mode so long as: a) The requested cylinder value is <= 65,535 b) The requested head value is <= (Hip - 1) c) The requested sector value is <= Sip d) The product of the requested cylinder*head*sector values is <= I6061 5) Devices may respond with an "ID NOT FOUND" or an "ABORTED COMMAND" error to any command with a CHS address request where: a) The requested cylinder value is > Cip b) The requested head value is > (Hip - 1) c) The requested sector value is > Sip II. Rules for IDENTIFY DEVICE information 1) At power on Cip = C, Hip = H and Sip = S 2) I5758 = Cip * Hip * Sip 3) I6061 >= I5758 III. Rules for after a successful INITIALIZE DEVICE PARAMETERS 1) C, H, S and I6061 are unchanged 2) Hip and Sip are as specified in the IDP command, where: a) Hip <= 16 b) Sip <= 255 if I6061 <= 1,032,192, or <= 63, if I6061 > 1,032,192 3) Cip = I6061 / (Hip * Sip) or 65,535, whichever is less 4) I5758 = Cip * Hip * Sip IV. Rules for after a successful SET MAX ADDRESS using CHS addressing 1) H, S, Hip and Sip, are unchanged 2) C is as specified in the SET MAX command (and is <= 16,383) 3) I6061 = C * H * S 4) Cip = I6061 / (Hip * Sip) or 65,535, whichever is less V. Rules for after a successful SET MAX ADDRESS using LBA addressing 1) H, S, Hip and Sip, are unchanged 2) I6061 is as specified in the SET MAX command 3) C = I6061 / (H * S) or 16,383, whichever is less 4) Cip = I6061 / (Hip * Sip) or 65,535, whichever is less 5) I5758 = Cip * Hip * Sip VI. Rules for READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS after a successful IDP 1) Returns Native C, H and S in CHS addressing mode 2) Returns Native I6061 in LBA addressing mode ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 9 00:58:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03998 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03991 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id AAA01800; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707090758.AAA01800@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CVSup'ing doc? Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Aehm, cvsup.freebsd.org and cvsup.de.freebsd.org claim they don't know anything about collection "doc". How am I supposed to get the doc part of the CVS tree? Thanks Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 9 12:01:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01221 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01188; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous216.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.216]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26228; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:01:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA00527; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:52:02 +0200 (MET DST) To: Martin Cracauer Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup'ing doc? References: <199707090758.AAA01800@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 09 Jul 1997 20:52:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: Martin Cracauer's message of Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 8 Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Martin Cracauer writes: > Aehm, cvsup.freebsd.org and cvsup.de.freebsd.org claim they don't know > anything about collection "doc". try the collection "doc-all". -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 10 00:33:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12491 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ALPHA9.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha9.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12466 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoop ("port 1089"@ascend-4-16.cc.monash.edu.au) by vaxh.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #20655) with ESMTP id <01IL2VVSJVHU90O8WG@vaxh.cc.monash.edu.au> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:32:01 +1000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:31:56 +1000 From: zoop Subject: installation difficulty To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <33C48FEC.56D05D0@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi....can you please tell me where to mail to for help in freebsd installation? cheers! -- "Save water, drink beer!" //zoop A Monash Engineer From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 10 07:33:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA04551 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.riubon.ac.th (admin@[203.150.180.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04545 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (admin@localhost) by ns.riubon.ac.th (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06292; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:20:03 +0700 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:20:03 +0700 (ICT) From: Hostmaster RIUBON To: zoop cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation difficulty In-Reply-To: <33C48FEC.56D05D0@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Everyone You can consult and get some help in freebsd installation at the freebsd site or mail to admin@riubon.ac.th, jojo@riubon.ac.th they are the good admin of Freebsd and installation technique from internet via ftp good luck On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, zoop wrote: > hi....can you please tell me where to mail to for help in freebsd > installation? > cheers! > -- > "Save water, drink beer!" > //zoop > A Monash Engineer > From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 10 15:07:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01577 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01567 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA07696; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Joseph Stein cc: docs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some docs... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:01:18 PDT." <199707101901.MAA11945@joes.users.spiritone.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:05:31 -0700 Message-ID: <7692.868572331@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is cool, but could I perhaps convince you to make it into a tutorial so that we can fold it into our mainline docs? That would require reformatting into Docbook, something which happily isn't difficult (it took me about an hour with an existing tutorial to figure it all out). If not, perhaps there would be someone on this list willing to take up the challenge? It's definitely something we need! Thanks! Jordan > Here's a little contribution (if you want it), that may help > when people decide to take bigger chunks of their life up with > FreeBSD... (i.e. make world) > > --------cut here---------- > > So, you want to make world? > > While the process of rebuilding the operating system from the ground up > is not for everybody, it can be an educational experience. Before you > decide to use the 'make world' process to upgrade, however, you need > to be sure that you fully understand exactly what the implications of > this process are. The best way to do that is to understand the way > the Makefile works. (Please see man make for information, or get the > O'Reilly and Associates book Managing Projects with make, ISBN > 0-937175-90-0, Oram & Talbott, 1991). > > Please note, however, that when you execute 'make world', you are likely > to find all manner of hardware problems (that will usually show up as > signal 12), but, if it completes sucessfully, you will know that your > hardware is really "up to snuff". > > The first thing you should do is to determine what branch of FreeBSD > you'd like to create. As you may know, there are several branches. > The most common branches to follow are RELENG_2_2 (stable) and current > (no tag). You can also get releases (RELENG_2_2_2_RELEASE); but if > you've been traking either stable or current, it is not recommended > to downgrade. > > Now you need to determine how you're going to get the sources. There > are several methods: > > - subscribe to the Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD SNAP subscriptions > (see http://www.cdrom.com/) and build from the sources on the > CDROMs. (This assumes you want to follow 'current'). > > - use CTM. CTM is a mechanism that will keep your /usr/src tree > up to date using e-mail. This is good for people that have > low bandwidth or high cost connectivity to the internet. > > [I am not a CTM person... Can you track either stable or current? > it looks like you can only track current or a release...] > > - use CVSup. CVSup was written by John Polstra (jdp@freebsd.org) > and enables you to do many things (such as keeping a full copy > of the master CVS source repository). You can get any sources > using CVSup. This is probably the preferred method of retrieving > sources. > > This document will assume that you are going to use CVSup to get the > sources for the release you want to build. > > The first thing you need to do is to get CVSup. It can be built from a > port in the ports collection (/usr/ports/net/cvsup/); from a package > in the packages collection, or as a standalone application > (ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/freebsd/cvsup...) > > Once you have CVSup, you need to create a supfile. Here is an > example for tracking stable: > > ---cut here--- > # Defaults that apply to all the collections > *default host=cvsup.FreeBSD.org > *default base=/usr/cvs > *default release=cvs > *default use-rel-suffix > *default compress > > src-all tag=RELENG_2_2 prefix=/usr delete old > ---cut here--- > > Now, execute CVSup... > > # /usr/local/bin/cvsup -g -L 2 supfile > Parsing supfile "supfile" > Looking up address of cvsup.FreeBSD.org > Connecting to cvsup.FreeBSD.org > Connected to cvsup.FreeBSD.org > Negotiating file attribute support > Exchanging collection information > Establishing active-mode data connection > Running > Updating collection src-all/cvs > Edit src/release/Makefile > Add delta 1.246.2.56 97.07.09.12.45.37 jkh > Edit src/sbin/ping/ping.c > Add delta 1.8.2.9 97.07.09.19.43.19 julian > Add delta 1.8.2.10 97.07.09.20.38.38 julian > Edit src/share/mk/bsd.port.mk > Add delta 1.227.2.24 97.07.10.02.30.28 asami > Edit src/sys/i386/isa/syscons.c > Add delta 1.182.2.23 97.07.09.14.13.42 brian > Edit src/sys/pc98/conf/Makefile.pc98 > Add delta 1.7.2.4 97.07.10.10.52.02 kato > Edit src/sys/pc98/pc98/syscons.c > Add delta 1.13.2.18 97.07.10.10.49.43 kato > Edit src/sys/pc98/pc98/syscons.h > Add delta 1.7.2.4 97.07.10.10.48.38 kato > Edit src/sys/pc98/pc98/wd.c > Add delta 1.9.2.10 97.07.10.10.47.13 kato > Edit src/usr.bin/fold/fold.c > Add delta 1.1.1.1.8.1 97.07.10.06.31.59 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/from/from.c > Add delta 1.3.2.1 97.07.10.06.33.16 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/fsplit/fsplit.c > Add delta 1.2.6.1 97.07.10.06.34.54 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/fstat/fstat.c > Add delta 1.7.2.1 97.07.10.06.35.39 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/gcore/gcore.1 > Add delta 1.2.2.1 97.07.10.06.37.09 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/gcore/gcore.c > Add delta 1.4.2.1 97.07.10.06.37.10 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/gcore/md-nop.c > Add delta 1.1.1.1.8.1 97.07.10.06.37.10 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/gcore/md-sparc.c > Add delta 1.2.6.1 97.07.10.06.37.11 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/gencat/gencat.c > Add delta 1.3.2.1 97.07.10.06.38.31 charnier > Edit src/usr.bin/gencat/genlib.c > Add delta 1.4.2.2 97.07.10.06.38.32 charnier > Shutting down connection to server > Finished successfully > > Now, you're finally ready to build the system! > > A few things here: > o due to a fluke in the way that the build system works, > you may need (and therefore it is recommended) to rebuild > the include files first. > > # cd /usr/src && make includes > > o Some people have taken to calling 'make world' the 'Worldstone'. > If you are interested in timing how long it takes to go from > start to finish, you may use the time command. > > # cd /usr/src && /usr/bin/time /usr/bin/make world > > o If you want to keep a record of the information that will scroll > by (useful if you would like a hand when the build fails), just > redirect the output of BOTH stdout and stderr as follows: > > (/bin/csh) > # cd /usr/src && /usr/bin/time /usr/bin/make world >& outfile &; sleep 1; \ > tail -f /usr/src/outfile > > (/bin/sh) > # cd /usr/src && /usr/bin/time /usr/bin/make world 2>&1 outfile &; sleep 1; \ > tail -f /usr/src/outfile > > > o When the 'make world' process has completed, you will see something > like the following: > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > make world completed on Sat Jul 5 22:54:33 PDT 1997 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > 49888.34 real 36513.55 user 8131.06 sys > > At this point, every binary file that is part of the operating > system has been rebuilt. > > Caveat emptor; internal kernal structures may have changed, thus > "breaking" some of the system utilities. See the next step. > > If you do not get the 'make world completed' message, then there > was a build failure somewhere. > > Before asking for help, determine where the problem was. Was it > a signal 12? That usually indicates flaky hardware. Was it > an undefined macro? That could indicate an out of sequence > transfer from the repository. > > In any case, wait a day, then start the whole process over again > before asking for help. Most build problems are able to be shaken > out within a day. > > o The last thing you should do is to rebuild your kernel and > reboot. This way, any changes made to the internal structures > will be caught, thus saving you a lot of grief. > > If you have configured a custom kernel, replace GENERIC below with > the name of your custom kernel. > > # cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf > # config GENERIC > Removing old directory ../../compile/GENERIC: Done. > Kernel build directory is ../../compile/GENERIC > # cd ../../compile/GENERIC > # make depend kernel install > > # shutdown -r now > > > Congratulations! If all steps completed successfully, you have just > made your system STABLE or CURRENT! From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 10 16:20:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04382 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ionline.net (root@iop100.ionline.net [207.6.175.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04375 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.6.175.225] (ppp225.ionline.net [207.6.175.225]) by ionline.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA24824; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:19:40 -0400 X-Sender: dunlop@ionline.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7692.868572331@time.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:01:18 PDT." <199707101901.MAA11945@joes.users.spiritone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:19:39 -0400 To: docs@FreeBSD.ORG From: "J. Douglas Dunlop" Subject: Docbook status? [Was Re: some docs...] Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Joseph Stein Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 6:05 pm -0400 7/10/97, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >This is cool, but could I perhaps convince you to make it into a >tutorial so that we can fold it into our mainline docs? That would >require reformatting into Docbook, something which happily isn't >difficult (it took me about an hour with an existing tutorial to >figure it all out). > >If not, perhaps there would be someone on this list willing to take up >the challenge? It's definitely something we need! > >Thanks! > > Jordan Speaking of docbook. Is anybody working on an update to 'sgmlfmt' to let it automatically split HTML output for docbook books? Currently 'sgmlfmt' does process docbook books but everything ends up in one HTML file, which makes it slow to browse. Also, is anybody working on other docbook transpect files to support other output file formats such as RTF or latex? Doug _____________________________________________________________________________ ____/ _ / / J. Douglas Dunlop / / / / Earth Observations Lab _/ / / / Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science / / / / 4850 Keele St.,2nd Floor ____/ _____/ _____/ W:416-665-5411 North York, Ontario H:519-747-1710 CANADA, M3J-3K1 F:416-665-2032 _____________________________________________________________________________ http://www.eol.ists.ca/ _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 10 17:53:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA07455 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk (mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07449 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g.pet.cam.ac.uk [131.111.209.233] by mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wmTxg-0007DA-00; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:53:28 +0100 Received: from g.pet.cam.ac.uk [127.0.0.1] by g.pet.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0wmTwd-0006aM-00; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:52:23 +0100 To: docs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some docs... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:05:31 PDT." <7692.868572331@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:52:22 +0100 From: Gareth McCaughan Message-Id: Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan quoted a nice "So, you want to make world?" contribution from Joseph Stein. A couple of minor comments: 1. > > Please note, however, that when you execute 'make world', you are likely > > to find all manner of hardware problems (that will usually show up as > > signal 12), but, if it completes sucessfully, you will know that your > > hardware is really "up to snuff". Surely sig 11 is just as common as sig 12? 2. There's one issue with doing "make world" that this doesn't cover: it's possible (n'est-ce pas?) for it to wipe out non-standard bits of your configuration: notably it tries to rebuild sendmail even if /usr/sbin/sendmail is actually Exim or Smail or something. Or has this been changed? Modulo that, I like it. -- Gareth McCaughan Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics, gjm11@dpmms.cam.ac.uk Cambridge University, England. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 10 19:43:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11548 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11541 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunghole ([207.116.130.205]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA26092 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:42:50 +0000 From: "Rana Chatterjee" To: Subject: Handbook Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:41:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970711024247.AAA26092@bunghole> Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I Would like to get a Copy of the Handbook in the Word97 Format if you have it. I have already Started Making it. So if you want me to make it and send it in, Please tell me and i will When i am finished. Rana Chatterjee Chatter@Worldnet.att.net From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 11 00:16:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA22381 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ridge.spiritone.com (ridge.spiritone.com [205.139.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22376 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joes.users.spiritone.com (joes.users.spiritone.com [205.139.111.224]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17983 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joes@localhost) by joes.users.spiritone.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA14067 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Stein Message-Id: <199707110656.XAA14067@joes.users.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: some docs... In-Reply-To: <7692.868572331@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 10, 97 03:05:31 pm" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:56:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is cool, but could I perhaps convince you to make it into a > tutorial so that we can fold it into our mainline docs? That would > require reformatting into Docbook, something which happily isn't > difficult (it took me about an hour with an existing tutorial to > figure it all out). Sure. I need a project tonight anyway... This is the message I've been sending people that need help "making world" with a few comments thrown in. I'll send it to the doc list when I've finished. joe From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 11 05:54:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA05423 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 05:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.image.dk (root@guardian.image.dk [194.234.57.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA05417 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor (pm6-53.image.dk [194.234.173.117]) by mail.image.dk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00399; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:52:56 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970711145320.00697adc@mail.image.dk> X-Sender: phce@mail.image.dk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:53:20 +0200 To: docs@freebsd.org From: Per Eegehauge Subject: Maybe a lot of inputs for new users Cc: phce@image.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi whoever Jordan at Walnut told me that 'you' would be the person to contact. I have a buch of kids that I'm trying to teach some computer knowledge (what I have to give). We have 10 days and a lot of odd hardware. All hardware are gifts from local companies. I/we will try to install BSD 2.2.2 on all the gear. It will probably end up in a lot of mess - but who cares. All that we expect is to have a lot of fun :) Do you think that some of the info. that shows up will be of any use for the BSD doc.group? Regards - Per Per Eegehauge mailto:phce@image.dk Arnestedet 17 mail2:per@decus.dk DK-2720 Vanloese Denmark From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 11 12:23:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29056 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kevin.sunshine.net (pme38.sunshine.net [204.191.205.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29036 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by kevin.sunshine.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00428; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kevin.sunshine.net: cagey owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Eliuk X-Sender: cagey@kevin.sunshine.net Reply-To: Kevin Eliuk To: Per Eegehauge cc: docs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Maybe a lot of inputs for new users In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970711145320.00697adc@mail.image.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Per Eegehauge wrote: > Hi whoever > > Jordan at Walnut told me that 'you' would be the person to contact. > > I have a buch of kids that I'm trying to teach some computer knowledge > (what I have to give). We have 10 days and a lot of odd hardware. All > hardware are gifts from local companies. I/we will try to install BSD 2.2.2 > on all the gear. It will probably end up in a lot of mess - but who cares. > All that we expect is to have a lot of fun :) > > Do you think that some of the info. that shows up will be of any use for > the BSD doc.group? > > Regards - Per > > > Per Eegehauge mailto:phce@image.dk > Arnestedet 17 mail2:per@decus.dk > DK-2720 Vanloese > Denmark I am looking for input from new users that would be helpful in writing Lessons for a Learn interface. The areas I would be most interested in: i) Having Fun:) ii) An appraisal of how easy/difficult installation and setup went. iii) What areas of operation they found most interesting(cool, neat, narly, whatever). iv) What goals (in your observations) would would attract new user. v) If it doesn't take the fun out of it, a quick overview by the kids, from there experience. -- =| Regards, =| FreeBSD ==> http://www.FreeBSD.org =| Kevin G. Eliuk =| "Free at last, free at last, ...." British Columbia *BSD User Directory ==> http://www.cynic.net From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 12 14:40:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20974 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20969 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT) From: webmaster@pantera.com Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09739 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default.Default (ip232.denver.co.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.74.232]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00520 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33C7F9A0.E6427874@pantera.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:39:44 -0600 Reply-To: webmaster@pantera.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk what files do i download?? From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 12 23:52:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08575 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (root@jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08557; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saul1.u.washington.edu (root@saul1.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.10]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id XAA25054; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:52:43 -0700 Received: from s5-25-199.student.washington.edu (S5-25-199.student.washington.edu [128.95.25.199]) by saul1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id XAA12004; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970713065559.007ac340@jcwells.deskmail.washington.edu> X-Sender: jcwells@jcwells.deskmail.washington.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:55:59 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jason Wells Subject: Word format handbook Cc: freebsd-docs@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk First, If you are on the docs list please cc: me. I do not subscribe to the docs mailing list. I recall about a week ago there was some lengthy disscussion about different document formats on the questions list. This week I decided that I wanted a hard copy of the handbook. Easier said than done. I am hoping that since I could not figure out whether or not my printer was postscript compatible, that it is not postscript compatible. If it turns out that my printer is ps compatible then I just wasted a lot of time. I got the ascii handbook of the the server. But when I loaded it up the formatting was very haywire. After trying several types of files conversions I started to realize why the document format discussion was so lengthy. Word 'auto-format' sucks! So I had to be more crafty I made a word format doc which is reasonably well formatted. I made a word macro which might be able to be applied to future versions of the handbook with good success. It even has a fully functional table of contents. Does anyone want the macro or the word format of the handbook? Does the FreeBSD documentation project want the word format of the handbook? Later, Jason Wells __ __ / 0\ / 0\ Thank you * Highperformance.net ) Wannabe Sysadmin * The homeless domain )-------( Jason Wells * "Pardon me sir, spare some bandwidth?" \_____/