From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 17 00:02:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12976 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA12953 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id RAA07158; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:01:20 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA06679; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:31:18 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970817163116.16698@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:31:16 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Michael Smith , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: reset screen hardware? References: <199708170311.MAA04998@freebie.lemis.com> <13880.871792654@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <13880.871792654@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, Aug 16, 1997 at 09:37:34PM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Aug 16, 1997 at 09:37:34PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> If there's one thing that pisses me off about many FreeBSD hackers, >> it's this attitude "Ooh, this is nasty. I don't want to have anything >> to do with it". Lots of PC hardware is nasty. Messing around in a 16 >> bit BIOS is nasty. IDE is nasty. VGA is nasty. Come to think of it, >> what's nice about PC hardware? But FreeBSD's acceptance suffers >> significantly because nobody can be bothered to deal with these nasty >> things. Where's the Win-32 emulator? ... > > Funny, my bigget rant has to do with people going "Why doesn't FreeBSD > have feature XXX?!" rather than "Here are my diffs to support feature > XXX, please integrate them." And would you? If I had come along with the diffs for doing it this way, you'd have said (with some justification) "Go away, we don't want all this crap in the kernel". I was, in fact, considering doing the implementation, but I see that it's not the way to go. > Why? Well, we'd have support for a lot more "nasty" stuff if there > were more people around who were willing to do the actual > implementation work and be willing to actively support it afterwards > so it doesn't go stale (like the 1st ISDN drivers, for example). > That's the real problem here. Well, since you mention the ISDN stuff, I seem to recall we would have got it in the kernel long ago (like about March 1996) if it had been approved by the core team . That was before Dietmar Friede got bent out of shape about something or another. The lack of ability to commit the code was one reason why the effort seems to have lost focus--if that is the case. I no longer live in an area where ISDN is a viable method to connect to the net, so I'm on analogue again, and I'm not following the ISDN groups too closely. Greg