From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 19 15:19:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05082 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from falco.kuci.uci.edu (falco.kuci.uci.edu [128.195.131.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA05059 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nguyenpk@kuci.org) Received: (qmail 2978 invoked by uid 1064); 19 Oct 1997 22:18:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nguyen Phi Khanh X-Sender: nguyenpk@falco.kuci.uci.edu To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: To support 2k users.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) -Khanh nguyenpk@kuci.org nguyenpk@quadrunner.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 19 16:38:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09014 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08988; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xN4uH-0001MG-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:37:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Nguyen Phi Khanh cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone > has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple > boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users > on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too > sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k > users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm > curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD > handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) What will these 2k users be doing first of all? This is the most important consideration. What services do these 2k users need? You mention shell users: in my experience, shell use is in decline as most people prefer direct network access via LAN or PPP dial-up. SMP is in FreeBSD-current. FreeBSD-current should be considered expirimental, so unless these 2k users are part of an expiriment, I don't recommend using it. I'm working at site that is 100% FreeBSD with over 12k users. CPU power is the least of my problems. I worry a lot more about i/o needs. > -Khanh > nguyenpk@kuci.org > nguyenpk@quadrunner.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager > E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk > PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 19 18:09:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14538 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from mail.san.rr.com (mail-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14520; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dt5h1n61.san.rr.com (dt5h1n61.san.rr.com [204.210.31.97]) by mail.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA12397; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200108.SAA12397@mail.san.rr.com> From: "Studded" To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Nguyen Phi Khanh" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 18:08:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Studded" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone >has any good ideas on what I should do. Someone already mentioned that the key factor is what these users will be doing. :) Another key is how many of them you expect to be logged on concurrently. If you're just supporting shell logins, you can get by with less hardware.. if your users are going to be doing a lot of development, you need more. > I plan on either buying multiple >boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users >on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm curious as to why dual cpu setups as opposed to singles? And in general I would say that more smaller machines will give you more flexibility. > I'm not too sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. This was answered already, but don't count on FreeBSD SMP for any production work. > Anyone supporting 2k >users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm >curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD >handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) The IRC server I help run peaked at 4k+ users (see my .sig :) running on a PII 266 with 128 megs of ram. This was due in large part to the limitations of our ircd (which we are rectifying :), although I suspect that we will be hitting some limits in the OS when we hit 5k or so. Back in the "old days" we ran with 2k users very comfortably on a Ppro 200 with the same ram. An IRC server uses almost no disk i/o, and runs completely in ram. It is highly cpu intensive both for all of the tcp traffic, and processing resynch bursts when another server joins the network after a split. I recommend the following changes to support large numbers of users, based on experience and the kind assistance of one of the core team members (who shall remain nameless unless he wants to wave at y'all :). If you need explanation of any of these, let me know (but try the man pages and mail archives first :). In /etc/make.conf: CFLAGS= -O -pipe COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe In the kernel config file: cpu "I686_CPU" That's the only one you need for a Ppro or PII system. maxusers 512 This may seem high, but our systems that run 1,500 to 2k users bog down if they don't set it this high. My system has maxusers set to 640. options "NMBCLUSTERS=6000" 6k is a good number for servers of 1,500 users or so. You can use netstat -m to see how many mbuf clusters you are using during peak times, and adjust this number to 50% more than that. I've gone as high as 15k with no apparent ill effects. options "MAXMEM=131072" You will want to have more than 64M of ram for a power box. I hope this provides some useful info for you. :) Doug *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 4,168 clients and still growing. :-) *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 19 20:30:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA22223 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22199; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet7.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet7.buffnet.net [205.246.19.28]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA16051; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Hovey To: Nguyen Phi Khanh cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have over 5k users - I just add boxes - I dont like all my eggs in 1 basket - and freebsd is more rugged than SCO was. On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > > I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone > has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple > boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users > on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too > sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k > users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm > curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD > handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) > > -Khanh > nguyenpk@kuci.org > nguyenpk@quadrunner.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager > E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk > PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 19 22:20:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA28330 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from gate.mgt.msk.ru (mgtrep.24h.dialup.ru [194.87.18.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA28295; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tarkhil@mgt.msk.ru) Received: from asteroid.mgt.msk.ru (asteroid.mgt.msk.ru [192.168.133.145]) by gate.mgt.msk.ru (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15967; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:20:05 +0400 (MSD) Received: from asteroid.mgt.msk.ru (localhost.mgt.msk.ru [127.0.0.1]) by asteroid.mgt.msk.ru (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24209; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:19:22 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199710200519.JAA24209@asteroid.mgt.msk.ru> To: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: tarkhil@mgt.msk.ru Subject: on Worm detection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:19:21 +0400 From: "Alexander B. Povolotsky" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! Since my 2.2-STABLE fails to detect Pinnacle Micro 4X4 CD-R as worm, and 2.2.2 or 2.2.1 did it, and I don't want to fetch it and install again, can't one wise man describe me process of worm detection, so I'll try to make it working? Alex. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 19 23:50:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02943 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02937 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23247; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd023245; Mon Oct 20 06:45:06 1997 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Martin Nilsson cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IDE drives In-Reply-To: <3447B2B7.6445@filex.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The ide driver in 3.0 can detect and use ultra-dma via PCI. that in the 2.2 series cannot. (it is being ported to 2.2-stable for testing and will be merged back) On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Martin Nilsson wrote: > How good are the IDE/ATA drivers in FreeBSD? > > I'm running 2.2.1 on a 430TX based motherboard with a 4.3GB Quantum > Ultra DMA harddrive. When I boot the system FreeBSD detects the PCI IDE > controller but doesn't assign a driver for it, instead the IDE > controller is detected and used when the ISA bus is scanned. > > How fast is the communication between the drive and controller? > The drive has a maximum thruput of about 10MB/s > > Would there be any benefit if the driver used the PIIX4 chip in DMA > busmaster mode? > > > > /Martin > From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 20 03:50:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA14884 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from fgate.cybercities.net (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA14878 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graham@www.cybercities.net) Received: (from graham@localhost) by fgate.cybercities.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) id LAA25037 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:53:34 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Breach Message-Id: <199710201053.LAA25037@fgate.cybercities.net> Subject: Firewire To: hardware@freebsd.org (hardware) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:53:34 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any experience using Firewire/IEEE 1394 under FreeBSD? -- /* Graham Breach * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.cybercities.net/fxhtml - FXHTML web building tool * */ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 20 06:25:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA21931 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA21923 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA06924; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:24:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Graham Breach cc: hardware Subject: Re: Firewire In-Reply-To: <199710201053.LAA25037@fgate.cybercities.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk define experience. I've used the TI cards under linux. I ran out of time for freebsd trials. ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 20 16:11:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA27337 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA27262; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA10796; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:10:57 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA15227; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:02:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19971021010255.JX53463@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:02:55 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: tarkhil@mgt.msk.ru Subject: Re: on Worm detection References: <199710200519.JAA24209@asteroid.mgt.msk.ru> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199710200519.JAA24209@asteroid.mgt.msk.ru>; from Alexander B. Povolotsky on Oct 20, 1997 09:19:21 +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Alexander B. Povolotsky wrote: > Since my 2.2-STABLE fails to detect Pinnacle Micro 4X4 CD-R as worm, and > 2.2.2 or 2.2.1 did it, and I don't want to fetch it and install again, can't > one wise man describe me process of worm detection, so I'll try to make it > working? All the magic is in /sys/scsi/scsiconf.c. If you'd care to quote the boot messages, i could tell you what to add there. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 20 17:32:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA02968 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from weblock.tm.net.my (weblock.tm.net.my [202.188.0.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02949; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sweeting@tm.net.my) Received: from lovebox ([202.184.153.17]) by weblock.tm.net.my (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 581-40942U100000L100000S0) with SMTP id AAA21170; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:33:21 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971021082813.00984e80@mail.tm.net.my> X-Sender: sweeting@mail.tm.net.my X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: Steve Hovey From: chas Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:33:21 +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry to trouble you, Just a simple question that has been intriguing me for a while - if you have 5K users, on several boxes. How do you make them all have the same email domain ? userx@domain.com ? Not that I am faced with this situation but i've been wondering how you do it without specifying that box1 is dept1.domain.com and box2 is dept2.domain.com etc... ie. If you have your users split over 4 boxes, and all with userx@domain.com, how do you route mail to the correct box ? Apologies if I am overlooking something obvious, Chas >I have over 5k users - I just add boxes - I dont like all my eggs in 1 >basket - and freebsd is more rugged than SCO was. > > >On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > >> >> I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone >> has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple >> boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users >> on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too >> sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k >> users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm >> curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD >> handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) >> >> -Khanh >> nguyenpk@kuci.org >> nguyenpk@quadrunner.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager >> E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk >> PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> >> >> > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 20 21:59:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18763 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18758 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.TransSys.COM) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.TransSys.COM (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16983 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710210459.AAA16983@whizzo.TransSys.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: PC/104 platform recommendations? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:59:33 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone got FreeBSD running on a small (and perhaps inexpensive) PC/104 platform? I'm thinking about an application that would require either a 486 or Pentium with ethernet and some parallel I/O. The thing that gives me pause looking at the glossies are how useful Flash is on these puppies, and how "compatible" the VGA/LCD display hardware might be.. I've got some glossies on some WinSystems and Ampro hardware so far. louie From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 20 22:41:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA20607 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA20602 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00731; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:08:20 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710210538.PAA00731@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PC/104 platform recommendations? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:59:33 -0400." <199710210459.AAA16983@whizzo.TransSys.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:08:20 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Anyone got FreeBSD running on a small (and perhaps inexpensive) PC/104 > platform? I've run it on several PC104 platforms. I have yet to find an "inexpensive" PC104 CPU card though; 386sx-based ones are still about cost-equivalent with low-end Pentiums here. Mostly with Advantech cards, and a couple of nonames. > I'm thinking about an application that would require either > a 486 or Pentium with ethernet and some parallel I/O. For a 486 or P5 you are looking at a 5.25" drive-sized board; many of these have NE2000-clone ethernet onboard and PC104. > The thing > that gives me pause looking at the glossies are how useful Flash is > on these puppies, and how "compatible" the VGA/LCD display hardware > might be.. The LCD hardware seems to usually be C&T 655xx stuff, which is well supported by XFree86. Depending on how the Flash is implemented, you can use it as a big floppy (ie. build a kernel with compiled-in MFS), or ignore it and use something else. Most of the drive-sized boards have IDE and floppy controllers as well. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 21 00:01:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA24480 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24442 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01656; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:59:31 +0200 (CEST) To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PC/104 platform recommendations? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:59:33 EDT." <199710210459.AAA16983@whizzo.TransSys.COM> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:59:31 +0200 Message-ID: <1654.877417171@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199710210459.AAA16983@whizzo.TransSys.COM>, "Louis A. Mamakos" writ es: > >Anyone got FreeBSD running on a small (and perhaps inexpensive) PC/104 >platform? I'm thinking about an application that would require either >a 486 or Pentium with ethernet and some parallel I/O. The thing >that gives me pause looking at the glossies are how useful Flash is >on these puppies, and how "compatible" the VGA/LCD display hardware >might be.. I've got a 386sx system running on PC/104, works fine. No flash though. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 21 09:49:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA24079 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com (grayling.erg.sri.com [128.18.4.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA24072 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from templin@erg.sri.com) Received: by grayling.erg.sri.com (8.6.12/2.7davy) id JAA09163; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:49:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199710211649.JAA09163@grayling.erg.sri.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:49:12 -0700 From: "Fred L. Templin" To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, louie@TransSys.COM Cc: templin@erg.sri.com Subject: Re: PC/104 platform recommendations? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Louie, I have FreeBSD running on the IBM PC110, using only flash memory for non-volatile storage (i.e. no rotating disk media). The PC110 comes with a 4MB internal flash card, and we purchased a 15MB SanDisk CF format card to drop in the PC110's external CF slot. I built a stripped-down '/' filesystem on the 15MB flash, and configured the 4MB flash as swap. Then, '/usr' and '/var' are NFS-mounted from a server as the system goes multi-user. My configuration required heavy modifications to the FreeBSD 'boot.flp' image as well as the PAO support code. But, if you don't need a "dataless" configuration like this and only wish to access the flash cards as ancillary storage then the stock 'wd' device driver in FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE (and beyond, I assume) works just fine. Let me know if you have any further specific questions regarding my configuration... Fred templin@erg.sri.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 21 19:11:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26443 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [140.174.204.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA26438 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@via.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id TAA29845 for hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:00:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:00:50 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199710220200.TAA29845@monk.via.net> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: PCI device numbering ? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If I've got multiple PCI cards of the same type installed, how do I know which is de0, de1, de2, etc. Does the numbering begin from one side of the board? From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 21 20:19:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00575 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00566 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (max4-120.HiWAAY.net [208.147.145.120]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04715; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:18:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA18942; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:18:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710220318.WAA18942@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Joe McGuckin cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: PCI device numbering ? In-reply-to: Message from Joe McGuckin of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:00:50 PDT." <199710220200.TAA29845@monk.via.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:18:45 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If I've got multiple PCI cards of the same type installed, > how do I know which is de0, de1, de2, etc. > > Does the numbering begin from one side of the board? On my Asus P6NP5 FreeBSD favors those cards closest to the power supply connector. YMMV. Its documented in the Asus manual. I still got it exactly wrong the first time and had to move some cards. Of a similar note, is there any advantage/disadvantage to sharing IRQ's on PCI? Was initially concerned that my new 9.1G UW IBM HD on an Asus SC875 all by itself wasn't much of a match for an old non-Ultra 7200 RPM 2.1G Seagate Barracuda on an early Adaptec 2940 (AIC-7870). Watched dmesg closely and BIOS boot messages and found my video, SC875 and 2940 were all assigned IRQ 9. Moved one of the SCSI cards to IRQ 11. No improvement in SCSI performance. Then I figured out how to enable write caching on the IBM. Much better! But still the IRQ question lingers. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 22 02:39:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA19559 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from solist. ([193.219.246.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA19554 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from partitur.se by solist. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01009; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:37:32 +0200 Message-ID: <344DC95C.5DABBB15@partitur.se> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:37:32 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Compaq Smart-2/P array controller supported? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Compaq Smart-2/P array controller. Is it supported? In 2.2.5 or stable? 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From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 23 05:07:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA21385 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from golem.belabm.by ([194.226.122.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA21348 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scaner@belabm.by) Received: from belabm.by (scaner.belabm.by [194.226.122.179]) by golem.belabm.by (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA13577; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:54:11 +0300 Message-ID: <344F3ADF.5D164C89@belabm.by> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:54:07 +0300 From: Eugene Vedistchev Reply-To: scaner@belabm.by Organization: Global One in Belarus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Palle Girgensohn CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq Smart-2/P array controller supported? References: <344DC95C.5DABBB15@partitur.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello Look below: > From: Mark Dawson > Subject: Compaq Smart-2/P RAID controller results > > We have recently bought a Compaq ProLiant 800 200MHz PPRO and had a > chance to try out the SMART-2/P controller with six 4.3GB wide-ultra > 1" disks (H RAID5 and H RAID0 below) under 2.2-RELEASE using our > locally developed driver (). > > Below is a comparison of the performance of the Compaq SMART-2/P > controller with: the older Compaq SMART controller (M RAID5); a CCD of > four legacy Wren-VII disks (I CCD); a logical disk of four older > fast-narrow 1GB disks (I RAID5); a striped configuration of the six > 4.3GB disks (H RAID0); and an internal 4.3GB wide scsi disk. > > BONNIE RESULTS-----Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- > Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU > I CCD 300 1118 97.8 2031 13.1 1195 12.1 1126 97.8 3068 17.5 46.8 3.4 > M RAID5 100 3427 82.9 3356 23.3 2265 18.0 4168 90.1 5649 25.2 181.5 8.9 > I RAID5 300 1161 99.0 1691 13.6 1688 18.0 1157 98.8 6582 37.8 43.7 2.7 > H RAID5 300 5542 49.2 5328 11.9 4826 15.4 9222 86.9 16673 34.4 115.1 2.6 > H RAID0 300 11615 98.3 15231 36.9 9096 27.1 10532 98.0 16073 30.7 131.6 2.6 > H disk 300 3199 28.0 3277 6.5 1726 4.4 6666 61.0 6271 7.1 100.5 1.6 > > where RAID5 = distributed data guarding, > RAID0 = no fault tolerance striped (e.g. CCD) > and the configurations are: > > I = Compaq ProSignia 300 5/120 16MB (IRON) 2.2-RELEASE > I RAID5 = 4 x 1GB fast-narrow = 3GB RAID-5 logical disk on SMART-2/P > I CCD = 4 x 1GB Wren-VIIs = 4GB concatenated disk on NCR 53c810 scsi > (32 block interleave) > > H = Compaq ProLiant 800 6/200 96MB (HOTPOINT) 2.2-RELEASE > H RAID5 = 6 x 4.3GB wide-ultra = 20GB RAID-5 logical disk on SMART-2/P > H RAID0 = 6 x 4.3GB wide-ultra = 24GB RAID-0 logical disk on SMART-2/P > H disk = 1 x 4.3GB wide-ultra = 4GB disk on NCR 53c875 wide scsi > > [from 8th October 1995] > M = Compaq ProLiant 1500 5/120 80MB (MANGLE) 2.1-STABLE > M RAID5 = 5 x 4.3GB = 16GB RAID-5 logical disk on SMART (old controller) > > The figures show quite a hit in write performance with RAID5 versus RAID0 > but otherwise show that the SMART-2/P is a considerable improvement over > Compaq's previous controller. > > Mark Palle Girgensohn wrote: > > Compaq Smart-2/P array controller. > > Is it supported? In 2.2.5 or stable? > > Regards, > Palle From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 23 08:34:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA04647 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04429 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00798; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:58:17 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710231528.AAA00798@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Martin Nilsson cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IDE drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:47:19 +0200." <3447B2B7.6445@filex.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:58:16 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How good are the IDE/ATA drivers in FreeBSD? They work pretty well. > I'm running 2.2.1 on a 430TX based motherboard with a 4.3GB Quantum > Ultra DMA harddrive. When I boot the system FreeBSD detects the PCI IDE > controller but doesn't assign a driver for it, instead the IDE > controller is detected and used when the ISA bus is scanned. There's no specific support in 2.2.x for the PIIX controllers. > How fast is the communication between the drive and controller? This depends on the drive, the controller and your BIOS configuration. > Would there be any benefit if the driver used the PIIX4 chip in DMA > busmaster mode? Yes; 3.x does this. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 23 10:29:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12285 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12257; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnp@milo.lodgenet.com) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28214; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (milo.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.42]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA06569; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:28:28 -0500 Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milo.lodgenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09336; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:28:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710231728.MAA09336@milo.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: hardware@freebsd.com, hackers@freebsd.com Subject: Digi Xem Reply-To: johnp@lodgenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:28:58 -0500 From: John Prince Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'v read a few threads regarding Digi's Xem Mulitport, and was still unsure. Do we have a driver that supports the Xem product? Thanks --John From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 23 12:07:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA19593 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA19574; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnp@milo.lodgenet.com) Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (milo.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.42]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08574; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:05:59 -0500 Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milo.lodgenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10694; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:06:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710231906.OAA10694@milo.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Digi Xem Reply-To: johnp@lodgenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:06:36 -0500 From: John Prince Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'v read a few threads regarding Digi's Xem Mulitport, and was still unsure. Do we have a driver that supports the Xem product? Thanks --John From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 23 13:37:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA25914 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from lafcol (lafcol.lafayette.edu [139.147.8.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25909 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from knollm@lafcol.lafayette.edu) Received: from bishop by lafcol (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA07229; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:36:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971023163503.00a6e330@lafcol.lafayette.edu> X-Sender: knollm@lafcol.lafayette.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:36:08 -0400 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Michael Knoll Subject: Harddrive powerdowns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have an IDE harddrive in a FreeBSD machine, and would like to enable power down for it. In the BIOS I can set the time, and it will power down when in BSD, but, when I use the HD, causing the HD to spin up, I get one or two interrupt time outs on the wd0 device. Is this safe? Will these timeouts ever cause corruption? Can FreeBSD it's power down the HD, and recognize the HD is down, and wait longer for spinning up? What is the best solution to get my HD to spin down? BTW, I do not want any other power management on the machine. Thanks Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 23 14:53:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA00491 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00480; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnp@milo.lodgenet.com) Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (milo.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.42]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA13779; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:52:13 -0500 Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milo.lodgenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13502; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:52:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710232152.QAA13502@milo.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: johnp@lodgenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:52:50 -0500 From: John Prince Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'v read a few threads regarding Digi's Xem Mulitport, and was still unsure. Do we have a driver that supports the Xem product? Thanks --John From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 23 19:57:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA15742 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15737 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00645; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:24:32 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710240254.MAA00645@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Michael Knoll cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Harddrive powerdowns In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:36:08 -0400." <3.0.32.19971023163503.00a6e330@lafcol.lafayette.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:24:31 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have an IDE harddrive in a FreeBSD machine, and would like to enable > power down for it. In the BIOS I can set the time, and it will power down > when in BSD, but, when I use the HD, causing the HD to spin up, I get one > or two interrupt time outs on the wd0 device. That's normal. > Is this safe? Will these timeouts ever cause corruption? Only if the drive takes longer to spin up than the FreeBSD driver is willing to wait. In your case, it looks like it'll be OK. > Can FreeBSD it's > power down the HD, and recognize the HD is down, and wait longer for > spinning up? What is the best solution to get my HD to spin down? The approach you're using now looks like it works. FreeBSD doesn't support any of the 'power-saving' drive features, being more concerned with performance. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 24 06:00:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA17226 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from lafcol (lafcol.lafayette.edu [139.147.8.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA17206 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from knollm@lafcol.lafayette.edu) Received: from bishop by lafcol (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA14649; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:58:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971024085058.00976670@lafcol.lafayette.edu> X-Sender: knollm@lafcol.lafayette.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:58:51 -0400 To: Mike Smith , hardware@freebsd.org From: Michael Knoll Subject: Re: Harddrive powerdowns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Only if the drive takes longer to spin up than the FreeBSD driver is >willing to wait. In your case, it looks like it'll be OK. Isn't a timeout when the system is tired of waiting? Will it retry and timeout again? How long is FreeBSD willing to wait? -Babumpabajard From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 24 07:01:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA20926 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20908 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00526; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:27:44 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710241357.XAA00526@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Michael Knoll cc: Mike Smith , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Harddrive powerdowns In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:58:51 -0400." <3.0.32.19971024085058.00976670@lafcol.lafayette.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:27:43 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Only if the drive takes longer to spin up than the FreeBSD driver is > >willing to wait. In your case, it looks like it'll be OK. > > Isn't a timeout when the system is tired of waiting? Will it retry and > timeout again? How long is FreeBSD willing to wait? The wd driver times the operation out and retries it. AFAIR most operations are tried at least 3 times before giving up. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 25 21:10:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15756 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from smoke.marlboro.vt.us (smoke.marlboro.vt.us [198.206.215.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15717 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us) Received: (from cgull@localhost) by smoke.marlboro.vt.us (8.8.7/8.8.7/cgull) id AAA10046; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710260409.AAA10046@smoke.marlboro.vt.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cgull+usenet-877838850@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (john hood) To: Mike Smith Cc: Michael Knoll , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Harddrive powerdowns <199710241357.XAA00526@word.smith.net.au>:  Mike Smith writes: > The wd driver times the operation out and retries it. AFAIR most > operations are tried at least 3 times before giving up. And in -current, the driver now waits longer (10s) before the first retry, eliminating those nattering errors. --jh -- Mr. Belliveau said, "the difference was the wise, John Hood, cgull intelligent look on the face of the cow." He was @ *so* right. --Ofer Inbar smoke.marlboro.vt.us