From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Jun 22 10:11:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13566 for hubs-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13559 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13775 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706221711.KAA13775@austin.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with the new mail-archive collection Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:11:09 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The unusual character of the new mail-archive collection has exposed a long-standing bug in CVSup. If any of you are trying to get this new collection, I'd advise you to give up until I'm able to get out a new release to fix the problem. The problem comes from the fact that a few of the files in the collection are both very large (> 100 MB) and very frequently updated on the master host hub.FreeBSD.org. The worst offenders are freebsd-hackers and freebsd-questions. Currently, cvsupd does a stat() to determine the size of the file when sending it for the first time. Then it sends the indicated number of bytes. For these huge files, it takes a long time. Often, the files have received new messages during the transfer, making them longer. Cvsupd notices this after it's sent the "whole" file according to the information it got from stat. It complains that the file grew on the server, and proceeds to try to recover in the worst possible way. I know how to fix this and will make a new release as soon as I can. Meanwhile, don't bother trying to use the new collection. I would disable it entirely, but Jordan is using it to keep wcarchive up to date. It's got a high speed link to freefall and the files transfer very quickly, so the problem isn't so serious for that particular application. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Jun 22 11:07:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15725 for hubs-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15711; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:07:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199706221807.LAA15711@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Problems with the new mail-archive collection To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706221711.KAA13775@austin.polstra.com> from "John Polstra" at Jun 22, 97 10:11:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk there is an effort underway at this time to split the archives into weekly sections (freebsd-questions.19970601, freebsd-questions.19970608, etc...). this will become the default for all the mailing lists. jmb John Polstra wrote: > > The unusual character of the new mail-archive collection has exposed > a long-standing bug in CVSup. If any of you are trying to get this > new collection, I'd advise you to give up until I'm able to get > out a new release to fix the problem. > > The problem comes from the fact that a few of the files in the > collection are both very large (> 100 MB) and very frequently > updated on the master host hub.FreeBSD.org. The worst offenders are > freebsd-hackers and freebsd-questions. > > Currently, cvsupd does a stat() to determine the size of the file > when sending it for the first time. Then it sends the indicated > number of bytes. For these huge files, it takes a long time. > Often, the files have received new messages during the transfer, > making them longer. Cvsupd notices this after it's sent the "whole" > file according to the information it got from stat. It complains > that the file grew on the server, and proceeds to try to recover in > the worst possible way. > > I know how to fix this and will make a new release as soon as I > can. Meanwhile, don't bother trying to use the new collection. > I would disable it entirely, but Jordan is using it to keep wcarchive > up to date. It's got a high speed link to freefall and the files > transfer very quickly, so the problem isn't so serious for that > particular application. > > John > -- > John Polstra jdp@polstra.com > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth > From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Jun 22 11:34:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16715 for hubs-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16691 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cherokee.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@cherokee.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.85]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12409 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:34:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (from wosch@localhost) by cherokee.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.5) id UAA13373; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:34:11 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:34:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706221834.UAA13373@cherokee.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: packages-2.2 <-> packages-2.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What is the difference between 2.2 and 2.2.2? Both require much space. Hm, and packages-2.2.1 is a symlink to packages-2.2.2. 488704 /pub/bsd/FreeBSD/packages-2.2.2 436493 /pub/bsd/FreeBSD/packages-2.2 -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Jun 22 12:59:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20134 for hubs-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20128; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14514; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706221958.MAA14514@austin.polstra.com> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with the new mail-archive collection In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:07:49 PDT." <199706221807.LAA15711@hub.freebsd.org> References: <199706221807.LAA15711@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:58:53 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > there is an effort underway at this time to split the archives into > weekly sections (freebsd-questions.19970601, freebsd-questions.19970608, > etc...). > > this will become the default for all the mailing lists. I still have to fix my bug, but the smaller file sizes will help. It has to MD5 each updated file, and that's pretty slow when the files are > 100 MB. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jun 23 23:27:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA26274 for hubs-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca11-15.ix.netcom.com [199.35.209.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26269 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA04782; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706240624.XAA04782@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: freebsd-mirror@sol.cs.ritsumei.ac.jp CC: hubs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199706221834.UAA13373@cherokee.cs.tu-berlin.de> (message from Wolfram Schneider on Mon, 23 Jun 1997 03:41:47 +0900 (JST)) Subject: Re: packages-2.2 <-> packages-2.2.2 From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * What is the difference between 2.2 and 2.2.2? Both require * much space. Hm, and packages-2.2.1 is a symlink to packages-2.2.2. Uhh. That's wrong. It should point to packages-2.2. I just checked ftp.jp.freebsd.org (I can't get to wcarchive), it is pointing to packages-2.2. And as you can see from the above, packages-2.2 is for 2.2.1R. I told Jordan to erase it when he erases 2.2.1R from wcachive. :) (Why hasn't that happened yet anyway?) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Jun 24 00:50:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00858 for hubs-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00853 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA16986; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:48:28 -0700 (PDT) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: freebsd-mirror@sol.cs.ritsumei.ac.jp, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: packages-2.2 <-> packages-2.2.2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:24:31 PDT." <199706240624.XAA04782@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:48:27 -0700 Message-ID: <16972.867138507@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Uhh. That's wrong. It should point to packages-2.2. I just checked > ftp.jp.freebsd.org (I can't get to wcarchive), it is pointing to > packages-2.2. It was on wcarchive also. Don't know how they got it pointing where they did. > And as you can see from the above, packages-2.2 is for 2.2.1R. I told > Jordan to erase it when he erases 2.2.1R from wcachive. :) (Why > hasn't that happened yet anyway?) I just did that now. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Jun 25 07:19:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24820 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp [202.239.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24804; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amont.astec.co.jp (amont.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.1]) by tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4Wbeta5-astecMX2.3) with ESMTP id XAA15914; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:19:42 +0900 Received: from lepton (lepton.astec.co.jp [172.20.12.27]) by amont.astec.co.jp (8.7.6/3.5Wbeta-astecMX2.4) with ESMTP id XAA21152; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:19:41 +0900 (JST) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org From: Hiroyuki HANAI In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:32:26 -0700 (PDT)" References: <199706150832.BAA05048@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970625231944C.hanai@astec.co.jp> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:19:44 +0900 X-Dispatcher: impost version 0.99h (Apr. 2, 1997) Lines: 46 Sender: owner-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Local translations of www.freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:32:26 -0700 (PDT) > This is just a quick note concerning sites like www.ar.freebsd.org which > maintain localized versions of the home page. Having local language versions > is certainly a good thing and I'm very happy to see it, I'm simply wondering > if: > > A) It's better to try and somehow merge these back into the master > sources so that anyone with a CVS repository could do something > like: > > cvs co -P www > cd www/data > make LANG=ja_JP.EUC > > or whatever interface makes the most sense (maybe they go to > www/data/ja_JP.EUC instead - I'm not Mr. I18N here :-) for > making the Japanese copy of www.freebsd.org. > > Then www.jp.freebsd.org simply builds its own pages from source > instead of mirroring www.freebsd.org and everybody's happy. > > > B) Simply syncing this by hand whenever significant changes occur > rather than building a mechanism for it. This appears to be > the system in place now. :-) > > If we choose (A) then John Fieber is certainly going to need to tell us > how to do it since he's the web god around here. If we choose (B) then > I guess this is a "heads up!" to all regional www maintainers that > the FreeBSD home page has changed significantly and the translation crews > should start considering another revision of their local copies. :) We, Japanese people, are going to make the translation. Have we decided which one to be chosen? I've searched my mail boxes, but I don't find any mail about it... Also, we are providig original pages at . How do you think about them? They should be put into the CVS repository at freefall? -- H.Hanai From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Jun 25 08:15:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27652 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27637; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA21798; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:15:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Hiroyuki HANAI cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:19:44 +0900." <19970625231944C.hanai@astec.co.jp> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:15:24 -0700 Message-ID: <21795.867251724@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We, Japanese people, are going to make the translation. > Have we decided which one to be chosen? > I've searched my mail boxes, but I don't find any mail about it... > > Also, we are providig original pages at > . > How do you think about them? > They should be put into the CVS repository at freefall? John Fieber would probably be the best one to answer that since he'd know the build issues involved - John? Jordan