From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 5 00:09:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA19646 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA19641 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id BAA00862; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.ampr.ab.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA23397; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:09:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:09:08 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@alive.ampr.ab.ca To: Bradley Dunn cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird Mail Queue error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You say you noticed this in one of your queue files? I'll bet that is the message that the remote system is returning when your sendmail tries to send mail to it. Note the 451, which looks just like a SMTP error code. On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: > I noticed this error in our mail queue: > > Deferred: 451 queuename: Cannot create "qfXAA25590" in "/usr/spool/mqueue" > (euid=41): Disc quota exceeded > > I have never seen that before! Well, there is no /usr/spool on our system > (of course), AND there is no uid 41: > > bradley@ns2: {30} % id 41 > id: 41: No such user > > I checked the message that caused this error, and it seems normal. > > Is this cause for concern? A security breach? This is boggling my mind. I > did some looking through the sendmail source and I see queuename is a > function in queue.c. The line producing this error appears to be 2078 or > 2093. > > Thanks. > > -BD > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 5 00:20:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA19930 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA19925 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA19211; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 03:20:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 03:18:22 -0500 () From: Bradley Dunn To: Marc Slemko cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird Mail Queue error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: bradley@harborcom.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doh...I am up way too late again. :-) Sorry. -BD On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Marc Slemko wrote: > You say you noticed this in one of your queue files? I'll bet that is the > message that the remote system is returning when your sendmail tries to > send mail to it. Note the 451, which looks just like a SMTP error code. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 5 00:29:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA20114 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (+WLFLyBeBrRGqnDm7Ii85uHTZawfFq4O@harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA20079 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA17528 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 03:28:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA11074 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 5 Jan 1997 03:28:31 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: LQR and ppp to an Ascend? Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 03:28:31 -0500 Message-Id: <11071.852452911@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've had to disable/deny LQR in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf in order to connect with at lesat two ISPs here. One of them said there is a known "incompatibility" between LQR (at least with ijppp, I don't know anything about (or use) pppd) and Ascend boxes (which one of the ISPs uses). Anybody know anything about this? H From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 00:21:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA18925 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA18906 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from davidn@localhost) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA19276; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:20:41 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:20:40 +1100 From: davidn@unique.usn.blaze.net.au (David Nugent) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: pop server with virtual domains X-Mailer: Mutt 0.56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking for a POP3 (preferably imap too) server that handles virtual domains. In particular, it needs to handle "virtual users" of those domains as well, which is essentially to avoid setting up user accounts on a box that needs to handle mail on behalf of anything up to 60 or so domains. Now, I can set up sendmail with virtual domain support, or I can even map incoming mail to those domains to special mailers that handle local delivery, verify against a userlist that is not in /etc/passwd etc. so that side of it is not a problem. What I'm looking for is the other component - a pop-capable server that can take connections on behalf of a list of domains, use a domain-specific user/password list and access mailboxes in a domain-specific location. Does such a package exist? Regards, David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 00:34:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA19822 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from intrastar.net (root@intrastar.net [206.136.25.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA19816 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jakes@fixed.intrastar.net [206.136.25.69]) by intrastar.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA01986 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 02:34:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199701060834.CAA01986@intrastar.net> From: "Jacob Suter" To: Subject: gated/freebsd 2.2-beta problems.... Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 02:36:08 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey guys.. I've got a problem (heh, its not like its a first or anything)... I'm trying to learn about firewalling and such. I've got a new 2.2-beta box running here with this config: 2.2-beta (downloaded Friday, jan 3rd) AMD 5x86/133 16 megs ram PCI SVGA card PCI NE2000 card (RTL8029 based) as ed2 ISA NE2000 card (RTL8019 based) as ed1 (0x300 / irq 5) IDE HDD runs Squid 1.1.2 proxy. I originally had it on the PCI NE2000 only. Worked great for the last few days. I scored a new network card on saturday and the additional BNC network (ph33r 10-base-2 - its not cool) accessories to have two complete networks. Since I currently have my C-block as one large network (one /24), so I decided to just configure the new ISA ethernet card to 10.0.0.1 on a /8 network just for grins... Well, it all came up fine.. I stuck my win95 box on the 10.x.x.x network as 10.0.0.2 (with proper subnet) and it came up fine for me to telnet 10.0.0.1, and I configured my browser to use 10.0.0.1 as the proxy, and I was able to surf the net (nice firewall, eh?). But, I thought having "ip forwarding" turned on I should be seeing the rest of my network (ability to telnet my portmaster from 10.0.0.2 to 206.136.25.1)... I crank gated 3.5b3 (from the packages), configured to be routed 'like' (just rip, no frills). soon as I load it (as root from the command line) everything is cool... but, after around 3-5 minutes, it goes *b3wm* and suddenly all my sessions to the 206.136.25.x (from 10.0.0.2) go down or hang... I can still access 10.0.0.1, from 10.0.0.2, and my other boxes can still see 206.136.25.20 (the box I was using as the 'router'). Gated reports the network interfaces are "down"... I kill gated and restart and it comes right back up to go down in 3-5 minutes... Its rather annoying.. I know this isn't normal but I have no idea on what could be causing it. The physical network appears to be tight.. the other systems are not effected, I just basically lose my link between the inferfaces. I'm pondering playing with my lin00ks box and seeing if it does the same thing. I'd rather not play with my 2.1.5-release box as its old and crusty and I know if I touched it, it'd just fail and make me look like a fool... Thanks JS --- Intrastellar Internet Service - Houston County, Texas Voice: (409) 687-9066 Web: http://www.intrastar.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 02:57:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA27519 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 02:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhiannon.clari.net.au (dns1.clari.net.au [203.27.85.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA27510 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 02:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.clari.net.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA11651 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:57:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:57:21 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199701061057.VAA11651@rhiannon.clari.net.au> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: mail weirdness Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone any clues what may be going on here? I have a customer who needs to mail large uuencoded zip files daily. He also downloads largish (>100k) files regularly via his browser. The browser is able to download the files without problem so his link can take such transfers without problems when he is using the FTP protocol. When he tries to download (smtp) or upload (pop) mail, the transfer is frequently (though not always) interrupted and although he remains connected, no more packets are sent. At this point (in the pop case) there is a 1/2-sent spool file left on the server (one sent from eudora was 65536 bytes, one from netscape mail was 32768) and a mail process hangs around until I kill it: 9721 0.0 0.0 544 0 ?? IW 7:57PM 0:00.02 sendmail: server ppp004.clari.net.au [203.27.222.4] child wait (sendmail) 9722 0.0 0.0 580 0 ?? IW 7:57PM 0:00.07 sendmail: TAA09722 ppp004.clari.net.au [203.27.222.4]: DATA (sendmail) The last packet sent was an ack from me to him. After this he cannot use the link for anything until he reboots. I am running popper under 2.1.5 and smtp. He is running eudora and netscape mail under w95. We have tried setting his port speed up and down to no avail. (hardware handshaking is set in the internet dialup settings and in eudora) It smells of some buffer overrun especially as he finds that transfer seems intermittent - it will run for a while, pause then continue (though I have not seen this) but sometimes it just won't continue. There is nothing much in the mail or system logs (mail records a "waiting for data" when the mail process times out). I'm confused because as I see it he has used netscape mail and eudora and neither works - not the mailer. It us upload and download - 2 different daemons (smtp and pop). The link survives a large ftp. I don't know what's left!! Peter From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 08:20:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA14207 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from house.multinet.net (house.multinet.net [204.138.173.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA14202 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabber.multinet.net (gabber.multinet.net [204.191.112.45]) by house.multinet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA17132 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: <32D1263E.41C67EA6@multinet.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 11:20:14 -0500 From: graydon hoare X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-ALPHA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: kerberos blues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk problem: I moved a workstation from one lan segment (and IP address) to another, on a different IP network. Kinit on the client freezes, and eventually times out. I have fixed the DNS and rebuilt the kerb database. All other services between the machines work fine, except kerberos. I've opened up the firewall between them, but that doesn't seem to have helped. any ideas? ____________________________________________________ so, I've decided to take my work back underground... to stop it falling into the wrong hands From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 08:23:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA14386 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA14379 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA05560; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:23:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id KAA26820; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:23:11 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199701061623.KAA26820@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 10:23:10 CST Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199701030319.TAA18739@root.com> from "jgfbsd" at Jan 6, 97 10:16:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I wonder if anyone else has results using FreeBSD on a WAN router. This > message is more of a progress report than a question... I've been using an ET card for a year and a half (two?) years now. > A couple months ago, we needed another ether interface on one of our WAN > routers. We had been using a Cisco 2501, which has only one ether > interface and is not upgradable. I persuaded my employer to let us try > out an Emerging Technologies HDLC card in a PC running FreeBSD. There > was some grumbling from the Cisco loyalists - who ever got fired for > buying Cisco? The person who did not buy the second redundant power supply for the 75XX class router - causing a multi day service outage when the supply blows :-) (that is not too funny... have nearly seen it happen, someone was on the fence about buying the second supply... thankfully they did) > We took advantage of slow work schedules and net traffic over the > holidays to make the switch. The FreeBSD/ET-based router runs 2.1.5-R > and the latest driver bits from the ET ftp site. It talks Cisco > encapsulated HDLC over a T1 to a genuine Cisco router at the other end. > > It took about 3 hours to setup and configure FreeBSD on the PC, and > another 2 hours to link in the ET driver bits and set things up. We > were able to use all factory settings on the ET-5025-16 card, and used > the default setup file provided by ET for Cisco HDLC, without > modification. ET docs are lucid and thorough. > > We can add more ether slots on the system cheaply whenever we want, just > by adding another SMC dual-port card. The ET card we bought also has a > second async port available for Frame Relay or point-to-point. > > It is a big win having FreeBSD admin tools on the router. Ipfw allows > us whatever level of logging detail we want on filtered packets. We > linked an operations kernel without bpf, and a diagnostic one with bpf. > The latter allows us to run tcpdump on the WAN interface as well as on > ether. Yes, I have been pleased, too. There are downsides: hard drives fail, moving parts fail. Sort of needs a FreeBSD-familiar person around. But I have been very happy. I started out with a 386DX/40 running near saturation loads. Upgraded to a 486DX4/100 and PCI Ethernets... still works great. Much cheaper than a Cisco. With the money saved, I could go buy a whole 'nother machine and still have money left over for a pizza party. In general, FreeBSD has been an excellent platform for all my computing and networking needs. :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 08:34:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA14968 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA14963 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21269; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:34:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:34:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199701061634.JAA21269@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Peter Hawkins Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail weirdness In-Reply-To: <199701061057.VAA11651@rhiannon.clari.net.au> References: <199701061057.VAA11651@rhiannon.clari.net.au> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Has anyone any clues what may be going on here? > > I have a customer who needs to mail large uuencoded zip files daily. > He also downloads largish (>100k) files regularly via his browser. > > The browser is able to download the files without problem so his > link can take such transfers without problems when he is using the > FTP protocol. > > When he tries to download (smtp) or upload (pop) mail, the transfer > is frequently (though not always) interrupted and although he remains > connected, no more packets are sent. FWIW, there are some folks running BSDi who see the same problem. I'm beginning to smell some sort of incompatability in the BSD stack and Qualcomm's popper, but I personally have users who download megabytes of email every day w/out a problem, so maybe it's a modem setup problem? I'm assuming you're using a modem, correct? Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 09:38:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA18102 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA18095 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA17904; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:34:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:34:25 -0800 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199701061734.JAA17904@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LQR and ppp to an Ascend? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've had to disable/deny LQR in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf in order to connect > with at lesat two ISPs here. > > One of them said there is a known "incompatibility" between LQR (at > least with ijppp, I don't know anything about (or use) pppd) and Ascend > boxes (which one of the ISPs uses). Yes; I've also had to disable/deny LQR for ijppp to work with the Ascend Pipe50 at the office. I haven't lost any sleep over it, but have been meaning to roll up my sleeves and take a look at the actual bits on the wire when I get a couple of free hours. That, however, never actually occurs :-). Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 10:07:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA19330 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:07:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA19324 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA26091 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:12:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970106130726.00a7bb10@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:07:28 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:23 AM 1/6/97 CST, you wrote: >> I wonder if anyone else has results using FreeBSD on a WAN router. This >> message is more of a progress report than a question... > >I've been using an ET card for a year and a half (two?) years now. > >> A couple months ago, we needed another ether interface on one of our WAN >> routers. We had been using a Cisco 2501, which has only one ether >> interface and is not upgradable. I persuaded my employer to let us try >> out an Emerging Technologies HDLC card in a PC running FreeBSD. There >> was some grumbling from the Cisco loyalists - who ever got fired for >> buying Cisco? > >The person who did not buy the second redundant power supply for the 75XX >class router - causing a multi day service outage when the supply blows >:-) (that is not too funny... have nearly seen it happen, someone was >on the fence about buying the second supply... thankfully they did) "Everyone" uses Cisco and "the net" sucks, so what does that tell you? My upstream provider spent a fortune on Cisco 7XXXs (he has to, because they use IGRP and its Cisco-proprietary) and the thing has all kinds of problems (anyone having trouble getting to our site will know why).... Certainly Unix boxes arent bulletproof, but you could spend A LOT more and not be much better off. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 10:10:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA19533 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (COMSYS.COM [192.94.236.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA19528 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mobile1.comsys.com (hay-ca1-17.ix.netcom.com [205.184.188.49]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA16760 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:06:08 GMT Message-ID: <32D14011.3832@aspn.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 10:10:25 -0800 From: alex huppenthal Reply-To: alex@aspn.net Organization: AIR/AIX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.com Subject: NNTP news access - available off site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been asked by a small ISP to reccommend a supplier of nntp access/news server access. They don't want to invest in a news server right now - the ISP has about 200 total customers, and about 20 people interested in News. They can't justify a full newsfeed, but want to offer the 20 people access to a news server on the net. Any reccommendations? What's the best news server software for FreeBSD? (In case I can't find them a site that will allow reader access.) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 10:42:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA20904 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA20899 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa15598; 6 Jan 97 13:42 EST Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: alex huppenthal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.com Subject: Re: NNTP news access - available off site In-Reply-To: <32D14011.3832@aspn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tehre are services like http://buffnetnews.buffnet.net or www.alt.net, or airnews (but I dont know their URL). On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, alex huppenthal wrote: > I've been asked by a small ISP to reccommend a supplier of nntp > access/news server access. They don't want to invest in a news > server right now - the ISP has about 200 total customers, and about > 20 people interested in News. They can't justify a full newsfeed, > but want to offer the 20 people access to a news server on the > net. > > Any reccommendations? What's the best news server software for > FreeBSD? (In case I can't find them a site that will allow > reader access.) > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 11:35:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA23218 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA23213 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA07134; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA04290; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701061934.LAA04290@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) cc: isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: dennis@etinc.com's message of 6 Jan 97 18:07:28 GMT Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router References: <3.0.32.19970106130726.00a7bb10@etinc.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Everyone" uses Cisco and "the net" sucks, so what does that tell you? a) That the backbones are bandwidth constrained. b) That there's no credible alternative for a high end box (yet). c) That there are some unresolved problems with cisco's high end box implementations. d) That Dennis is still slinging mud instead of facts. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 11:40:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA23502 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA23497; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA26611; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:50:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Xylogics Remote Annex SW and FBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone here is running the server software (erpcd) for Xylogics (BayNetworks) Remote Annexes on a FBSD box... I'll be moving our dial-in authentication to a FBSD machine soon, and I see that there are two choices: either use the pre-compiled BSDI version or take a stab at compiling it myself. If anyone has gone either route and has horror/success stories, I'd be thrilled to hear about them. Thanks, Charles spork@super-g.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 12:19:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA25099 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA25090 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA26851; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:24:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970106151911.00a82cd0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:19:13 -0500 To: Tony Li From: dennis Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:34 AM 1/6/97 -0800, you wrote: > > "Everyone" uses Cisco and "the net" sucks, so what does that tell you? > >a) That the backbones are bandwidth constrained. >b) That there's no credible alternative for a high end box (yet). >c) That there are some unresolved problems with cisco's high end box > implementations. >d) That Dennis is still slinging mud instead of facts. For 1, these are "Facts"....every time there is a problem at my upstream provider it is some issue with their Cisco router. That, is a FACT. Fact 2 is that its not even being used as a high-end box (an HSSI running only 4Mbs, a couple of T1s and a couple of ethernets)...a configuration achievable with a FreeBSD box for about 1/10th the price. My "point" was that there is no such thing as a magic box....there are problems/advantages/disadvantages to all products. Those that think if they buy Cisco or Ascend that they wont have any problems are misinformed. Dennis Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 12:38:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA26373 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA26368; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from allenh.wtrt.net (local2.wtrt.net [205.231.181.228]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA22573; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:39:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970106143836.0068aa0c@wtrt.net> X-Sender: allenh@wtrt.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 14:38:37 -0600 To: spork , questions@freebsd.org From: Allen Hyer Subject: Re: Xylogics Remote Annex SW and FBSD Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:50 PM 1/6/97 -0500, spork wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm wondering if anyone here is running the server software (erpcd) for >Xylogics (BayNetworks) Remote Annexes on a FBSD box... I'll be moving our >dial-in authentication to a FBSD machine soon, and I see that there are >two choices: either use the pre-compiled BSDI version or take a stab at >compiling it myself. If anyone has gone either route and has >horror/success stories, I'd be thrilled to hear about them. I am using erpcd Release 10.1A without any problems. I went the compile myself route, and it went very well. Allen Hyer System Administrator West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 13:14:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA28819 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from thecore.com (guardian.thecore.com [206.136.149.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA28808; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (sfinn@localhost) by thecore.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA14796; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:12:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Shaun Finn To: spork cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xylogics Remote Annex SW and FBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, spork wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if anyone here is running the server software (erpcd) for > Xylogics (BayNetworks) Remote Annexes on a FBSD box... I'll be moving our > dial-in authentication to a FBSD machine soon, and I see that there are > two choices: either use the pre-compiled BSDI version or take a stab at > compiling it myself. If anyone has gone either route and has > horror/success stories, I'd be thrilled to hear about them. We are running erpcd release 3.1 on a 2.0.5R FBSD machine. I chose the compile option and everything worked fine. I was expecting to have to update FBSD to at least 2.1.0 in order to make it work, but was pleasantly surprised. +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Shaun M. Finn TechnoCore Communications, Inc. | | sfinn@thecore.com P.O. Box 106 | | (908)928-7400 FAX:(908)928-7402 Jackson, NJ 08527-0106 | +------------------- http://www.thecore.com/ ----------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 13:22:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA29483 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA29462; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20569; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:24:40 -0500 Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa08203; 6 Jan 97 16:22 EST Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:22:20 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: Allen Hyer cc: spork , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xylogics Remote Annex SW and FBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970106143836.0068aa0c@wtrt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Allen Hyer wrote: > At 02:50 PM 1/6/97 -0500, spork wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I'm wondering if anyone here is running the server software (erpcd) for > >Xylogics (BayNetworks) Remote Annexes on a FBSD box... I'll be moving our > >dial-in authentication to a FBSD machine soon, and I see that there are > >two choices: either use the pre-compiled BSDI version or take a stab at > >compiling it myself. If anyone has gone either route and has > >horror/success stories, I'd be thrilled to hear about them. > > I am using erpcd Release 10.1A without any problems. I went the compile > myself route, and it went very well. > I did this, but had to alter how erpcd looks up a user id and passwd - the machine running erpcd uses NIS, and a userid/password lookup would appear to hang due to a speed problem of some sort- the erpcd source out of the can looks on a find first, find next sort of basis - since theoretically a system might have more than 1 account with the same login ID.. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 13:35:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA00524 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA00516 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA11978; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA04501; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701062134.NAA04501@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: dennis@etinc.com CC: isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970106151911.00a82cd0@etinc.com> (message from dennis on Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:19:13 -0500) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > "Everyone" uses Cisco and "the net" sucks, so what does that tell you? For 1, these are "Facts"....every time there is a problem at my upstream provider it is some issue with their Cisco router. That, is a FACT. Fine, but that's not what you said. If you have a problem with your upstream provider, that is not EVERYONE's fault. It might not even be cisco's. Your generalizations are showing. My "point" was that there is no such thing as a magic box....there are problems/advantages/disadvantages to all products. Then you should say that. And I could agree with you... ;-) Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 13:49:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA02069 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from black.gensys.com (black.gensys.com [204.52.135.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA02064 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhupp@localhost) by black.gensys.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA00465; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:48:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:48:59 -0600 From: jhupp@gensys.com (Jeff) To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router References: <3.0.32.19970106151911.00a82cd0@etinc.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970106151911.00a82cd0@etinc.com>; from dennis on Jan 6, 1997 15:19:13 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis writes: : At 11:34 AM 1/6/97 -0800, you wrote: : > : > "Everyone" uses Cisco and "the net" sucks, so what does that tell you? : >d) That Dennis is still slinging mud instead of facts. : : For 1, these are "Facts"....every time there is a problem at my upstream : provider it is some issue with their Cisco router. That, is a FACT. Wonderful, perhaps they just don't know how to configure it. My upstream runs ciscos, and I have had about 90 minutes of total down time from them in the last 14 months. The cisco at my end just sits there and works. Note the period. : : Fact 2 is that its not even being used as a high-end box (an HSSI : running only 4Mbs, a couple of T1s and a couple of ethernets)...a : configuration achievable with a FreeBSD box for about 1/10th the : price. No, what is your time worth? And how much of it have you put into that box? : : My "point" was that there is no such thing as a magic box....there are : problems/advantages/disadvantages to all products. Those that think : if they buy Cisco or Ascend that they wont have any problems are : misinformed. : Very true. They will just be different problems. The problems with the ciscos are common problems, problems the 'community' as a whole are dealing with, problems that others I am in contact with have worked through or are working through. There is also the tendency to point fingers, let me tell you I would much rather say, "You want to look at my cisco's config?" then "You want to look at the config on the FreeBSD box I made into a router?" when dealing with inter-operability problems... -- Jeff Hupp | Coffee is Life. PGP public key available at http://www.gensys.com/jeffskey.asc Running Microsoft? What do you want to fix today? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 13:56:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA02784 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@p10.pm-4.pm.dimcom.net [208.206.177.106]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA02779 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08644; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: <32D16C7E.368304FE@w3page.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 14:19:58 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.org CC: sfinn@thecore.com Subject: Re: Xylogics Remote Annex SW and FBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Shaun Finn wrote: > > > We are running erpcd release 3.1 on a 2.0.5R FBSD machine. I chose > the compile option and everything worked fine. I was expecting to > have to update FBSD to at least 2.1.0 in order to make it work, but > was pleasantly surprised. > I have a pair of MicroAnnex XL's. What would I need to do to make these puppies go with FreeBSD? Any Clue's? ( the People at Bay have been less than Helpfull. As soon as you mention FreeBSD, they say *NOT SUPPORTED*! ) If I had to go based only on the companies response to me so far, I would avoid BAY products. But. I already have these units. Any help appreciated. Blaine Minazzi GENRIC TAG LINE AND SIG FILE, SAVES UP TO 50% BANDWIDTH. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 14:00:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA03015 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tweety.bhp.com.au (tweety.bhp.com.au [192.83.224.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA03004 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au (gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au [134.18.115.254]) by tweety.bhp.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA28528 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:00:16 +1100 (EST) Received: from netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au (netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au [152.153.40.126]) by gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA09664 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:59:45 +1100 (EST) Received: from abevin (abevin.nzsakl.bhp.com.au [152.153.41.20]) by netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21175 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:59:43 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199701062159.KAA21175@netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au> From: "Andrew Bevin" To: Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:03:42 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: dennis > To: Tony Li > Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router > Date: Tuesday, 7 January 1997 09:19 > > > My "point" was that there is no such thing as a magic box....there are > problems/advantages/disadvantages to all products. Those that think > if they buy Cisco or Ascend that they wont have any problems are > misinformed. > > Dennis I use a ET card as a router and it does the job well, but now I need to move to a channellized E1/PRI ISDN as there are considerable cost saving for me, line charge wise. I would prefer to keep everything in a FreeBSD, or any Unix, environment. But it seems I'll have to move to Cisco or Ascend, as I can't find any product for FreeBSD. I believe the fact that FreeBSD can serve as a straight T1 router is just not enough for ISP's anymore. Andrew Bevin. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 14:15:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA04140 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA04130 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA27604; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:20:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970106171528.00a807d0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:15:35 -0500 To: Tony Li From: dennis Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:34 PM 1/6/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > "Everyone" uses Cisco and "the net" sucks, so what does that tell you? This was a joke...sorry it offended you. > > For 1, these are "Facts"....every time there is a problem at my upstream > provider it is some issue with their Cisco router. That, is a FACT. > >Fine, but that's not what you said. If you have a problem with your >upstream provider, that is not EVERYONE's fault. It might not even be >cisco's. My provider could be lying to me...but I doubt it since hes an old colleague. >Your generalizations are showing. And its not a "generalization", its a specific example to illustrate my point. The thing pigs out without being near to its published capacity.... Your bias is showing. db From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 14:35:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA05701 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA05695 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA27757; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:39:51 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970106173457.00aaa9b0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:35:00 -0500 To: jhupp@gensys.com (Jeff) From: dennis Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeff writes... > Wonderful, perhaps they just don't know how to configure it. My >upstream runs ciscos, and I have had about 90 minutes of total down time from >them in the last 14 months. > > The cisco at my end just sits there and works. Note the period. The less you do with it, the less chance of a screw-up. Same goes for Unix. >: >: Fact 2 is that its not even being used as a high-end box (an HSSI >: running only 4Mbs, a couple of T1s and a couple of ethernets)...a >: configuration achievable with a FreeBSD box for about 1/10th the >: price. > > No, what is your time worth? And how much of it have you put into >that box? Probably a lot more than yours...but even if it takes me a whole day (which I seriously doubt) to build it and make it work...I think the $40,000 I save is worth it. I can take the next day off :-) And I can stock a whole spare unit for less than what a Cisco Ethernet card costs. > > > There is also the tendency to point fingers, let me tell you I would >much rather say, "You want to look at my cisco's config?" then "You want to >look at the config on the FreeBSD box I made into a router?" when dealing >with inter-operability problems... Its only "Easier" because itswhat your familiar with. It is much easier to debug a unix box with 2 lines of configuration for the serial line than a cisco if you know what your doing. Most interoperabiltiy problems are caused by clueless ISPs that have all their "ciscos" configured with some mix of proprietary settings....if Cisco would default their boxes to the standards there would be no interoperability problems. there are so many Cisco "options" you have a much greater chance of creating an interoperability problem if you use them. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and Linux Standalone Routers Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager http://www.etinc.com sales@etinc.com (516) 271-4525 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 14:41:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA06130 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (kerouac.deepwell.com [207.212.140.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA06122 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dante.deepwell.com ([207.212.140.14]) by kerouac.deepwell.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12198) with SMTP id AAA130 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:36:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970106143757.00c14c5c@deepwell.com> X-Sender: matt@deepwell.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 14:37:57 -0800 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Matt Eagleson Subject: News on FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I started using FreeBSD at my business about 2 months ago with no prior Unix experience. So far I have been able to configure and run a few servers with not too much trouble. I've learned a lot and gained some confidence. Now I feel like I'm ready to build an NNTP server. (It's a little bit intimidating) If any of you gurus have words of advice for a beginner please pass them on. Some questions: Does FreeBSD make a good News server? What hardware is recommended? Required reading? Required software? TIA Matt From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 14:41:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA06162 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@p10.pm-4.pm.dimcom.net [208.206.177.106]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA06157 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08719 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:24 -0700 Message-ID: <32D17723.7C74B045@w3page.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:05:23 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router References: <3.0.32.19970106151911.00a82cd0@etinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeff wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > dennis writes: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ** Readers Digest Condensed Version: ** CISCO , BSD, CICSO, BSD , the Gourd, the Shoe, the Gourd, the Shoe . . . Blah blah, blah blah, blah blah..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Aw shit. Are we into this religious thread AGAIN? Comon guys, can't we archive this stuff and point people to a FAP? ( frequently argued point. ) Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 14:43:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA06300 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smople.thehub.com.au (smople.thehub.com.au [203.17.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA06276; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from richard@localhost) by smople.thehub.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA05731; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:43:18 +1000 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:43:17 +1000 (EST) From: Richard J Uren To: spork cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xylogics Remote Annex SW and FBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, spork wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if anyone here is running the server software (erpcd) for > Xylogics (BayNetworks) Remote Annexes on a FBSD box... I'll be moving our > dial-in authentication to a FBSD machine soon, and I see that there are > two choices: either use the pre-compiled BSDI version or take a stab at > compiling it myself. If anyone has gone either route and has > horror/success stories, I'd be thrilled to hear about them. Hey Charles, Im using Release 11.1.7 and it compiled no problems. Nothing exciting to tell really. Cheers Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 15:04:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA08229 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.interworld.net (news.interworld.net [206.124.224.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA08224 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pete@localhost) by news.interworld.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA10885; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:03:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Carah Message-Id: <199701062303.PAA10885@news.interworld.net> To: davidn@unique.usn.blaze.net.au Subject: Re: pop server with virtual domains In-Reply-To: Organization: InterWorld Communications Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article you write: >I'm looking for a POP3 (preferably imap too) server that >handles virtual domains. In particular, it needs to handle >"virtual users" of those domains as well, which is essentially >to avoid setting up user accounts on a box that needs to handle >mail on behalf of anything up to 60 or so domains. >Now, I can set up sendmail with virtual domain support, or >I can even map incoming mail to those domains to special >mailers that handle local delivery, verify against a >userlist that is not in /etc/passwd etc. so that side of >it is not a problem. What I'm looking for is the other >component - a pop-capable server that can take connections >on behalf of a list of domains, use a domain-specific >user/password list and access mailboxes in a domain-specific >location. >Does such a package exist? I have one running here; it was a hack to popper 2.1.4 grabbed from qualcomm's site. For similar reasons to web servers, you have to have an ip address per desired pop3 domain; there is nothing in the protocol which communicates this into to you otherwise. Keeps its own password files and mail spool directories. There may be some security holes I don't realize from the fact that all references to a given virtual domain's mail are done under one user id. It does allow for someone from the domain to change passwords, but I haven't ported any of the poppasswd sample routines from qualcomm to work with my password scheme (it wouldn't be hard but I haven't gotten a "round tuit")... This one doesn't handle imap. Imap as far as I can see will already do virtual domains. In other words, it seems to work (I have it going on 4 or 5 domains on 3 machines) but no guarantees. I could try to generate diffs (most changes are in 2 or 3 new files plus a delivery agent and password routine, but there were some fairly extensive changes to the original password routine and pop_dropcopy.) -- Pete From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 15:05:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA08303 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA08296 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA15907; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id PAA04643; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:04:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:04:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701062304.PAA04643@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: dennis@etinc.com CC: isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970106171528.00a807d0@etinc.com> (message from dennis on Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:15:35 -0500) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My provider could be lying to me...but I doubt it since hes an old colleague. Doesn't mean he's lying. Could be that he's just doing something wrong... Could be a software or hardware problem. We have no data. >Your generalizations are showing. And its not a "generalization", its a specific example to illustrate my point. The thing pigs out without being near to its published capacity.... Like any other sophisticated technology, it can be misused. We do know what a 7000 can do. What you describe is well below what it can and has done. But, given the appropriately broken configuration (e.g., trying to do X.25 at 4Mbps), well above what the worst case. Your bias is showing. Yes, but a bias for truth is not one that I mind having or showing. ;-) Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 15:18:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA09116 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (root@birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA09111 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA09420; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:14:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:14:55 +0100 (MET) From: BSD Mailinglisten-User To: Nate Williams cc: Peter Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mail weirdness In-Reply-To: <199701061634.JAA21269@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Nate Williams wrote: > > Has anyone any clues what may be going on here? [...] > FWIW, there are some folks running BSDi who see the same problem. I'm > beginning to smell some sort of incompatability in the BSD stack and > Qualcomm's popper, but I personally have users who download megabytes of > email every day w/out a problem, so maybe it's a modem setup problem? We have exactly the same problem. Customers with absolutely stable links (using modems with CSLIP and/or ISDN with PPP) have sometimes problems with popper, especially with large mails. I tried to reproduce the problem using perl to no avail.... Martin | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 15:19:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA09155 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from black.gensys.com (black.gensys.com [204.52.135.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA09150 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhupp@localhost) by black.gensys.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA00674; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:19:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:19:00 -0600 From: jhupp@gensys.com (Jeff) To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router References: <3.0.32.19970106173457.00aaa9b0@etinc.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970106173457.00aaa9b0@etinc.com>; from dennis on Jan 6, 1997 17:35:00 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis writes: : Jeff writes... : > : > No, what is your time worth? And how much of it have you put into : >that box? : : Probably a lot more than yours... Thank you, but no I won't get into a flame war on this list. -- Jeff Hupp | Coffee is Life. PGP public key available at http://www.gensys.com/jeffskey.asc Running Microsoft? What do you want to fix today? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 15:33:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA10100 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA10095 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22914; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:33:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:33:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199701062333.QAA22914@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: BSD Mailinglisten-User Cc: Nate Williams , Peter Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail weirdness In-Reply-To: References: <199701061634.JAA21269@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Popper hanging in the middle of large email downloads ] > > > Has anyone any clues what may be going on here? > > [...] > > > FWIW, there are some folks running BSDi who see the same problem. I'm > > beginning to smell some sort of incompatability in the BSD stack and > > Qualcomm's popper, but I personally have users who download megabytes of > > email every day w/out a problem, so maybe it's a modem setup problem? > > We have exactly the same problem. Customers with absolutely stable links > (using modems with CSLIP and/or ISDN with PPP) have sometimes problems > with popper, especially with large mails. I tried to reproduce the > problem using perl to no avail.... My suspicion (and it's only that) is that the users somehow have software hand-shaking set at their end. Normal traffic is slow enough (and in short bursts) such that the handshaking isn't a problem normally, but when they download large email from the ISP it's a long sustained download that isn't interrupted which would cause the modem to tell things to slow down. Since only one end is using software handshaking, I think things get confused and the modem is never sent the 'XON' signal and everything hangs. At my site (since I'm really not an ISP but provide similar services to co-workders on the road and at home) *I* setup their machines (or sit over their shoulder) and make sure things are setup correctly from their end using hardware handshaking. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 15:48:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA11146 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA11137 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28333 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:53:49 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970106184854.00a86bc0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 18:48:57 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk T. Li writes.... > > My provider could be lying to me...but I doubt it since hes an old > colleague. > >Doesn't mean he's lying. Could be that he's just doing something wrong... >Could be a software or hardware problem. We have no data. Cisco told him its their problem...they're working on it. Yay! > > >Your generalizations are showing. > > And its not a "generalization", its a specific example to illustrate my > point. The thing pigs out without being near to its published capacity.... > >Like any other sophisticated technology, it can be misused. We do know >what a 7000 can do. What you describe is well below what it can and has >done. But, given the appropriately broken configuration (e.g., trying to do >X.25 at 4Mbps), well above what the worst case. X.25 is just a protocol...why would one protocol work at 4Mbs and not another? There is no good reason to be able to run Frame Relay at high speed and not X.25. if anything, X.25 should be more reliable because it can be throttled by the receiver. We do X.25 at 10Mbs easily.....alas theres not a lot of need for it :( So what you're saying is that there are some things that work and some that don't, which kind of makes this whole discussion moot...if you happen to be using something that is "broken" (by your definition, whatever criteria you might be using), then you are up sh*ts creek. Sound like a crapshoot, no matter who the vendor is. Might as well save the money. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 16:23:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA14938 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se (gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se [194.23.96.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA14929 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from powertower.hugo.pp.se (powertower.hugo.pp.se [194.23.99.26]) by gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA00205 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:22:28 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701070022.BAA00205@gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se> From: "Mikael Hugo" To: Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:21:48 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! > Does FreeBSD make a good News server? I am running several inhouse, serving thousands of clients every day. They are in my experience better than all the expensive systems, and more stable that the other free systems like the l-word. > What hardware is recommended? For a full feed I would suggest 2*4*4 SCSI drives spread over two fast controllers. That should be running on a P128 with 198MB of RAM, and linked to the net with a minimum of T1. I suggest starting with something a lot less, and only taking in some groups :) > Required reading? http://www.isc.org/isc/inn.html > Required software? ftp://ftp.vix.com/pub/inn A bit terse, but you wanted to learn for yourself :) PS: Ill be glad to give you some tips if you get stuck! Regards Mikael Hugo From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 16:27:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA15182 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (CEDB.DPCSYS.com [207.124.154.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA15171 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA06101; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:16:35 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:16:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Jacob Suter cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated/freebsd 2.2-beta problems.... In-Reply-To: <199701060834.CAA01986@intrastar.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Jacob Suter wrote: > Gated reports the network interfaces are "down"... I kill gated and > restart and it comes right back up to go down in 3-5 minutes... There's a parameter in the gated config file to mark interfaces as "passive" (I think that's the term) which prevents them from being marked down. But in your case, why run gated or routed at all? A default route pointing at your 206 net and a specific route pointing to the 10 net should work just fine. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 17:05:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA17160 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:05:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA17155 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA20963; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA04945; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:03:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:03:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701070103.RAA04945@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router References: <3.0.32.19970106184854.00a86bc0@etinc.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X.25 is just a protocol...why would one protocol work at 4Mbs and not another? Well, because X.25 has a LOT more overhead. You might take a look at what's really required. The link level has retransmissions and sliding windows. And that's just for starters. Then, there's also the issue of MTU.... There is no good reason to be able to run Frame Relay at high speed and not X.25. Actually, there are some very, very good reasons. if anything, X.25 should be more reliable because it can be throttled by the receiver. We do X.25 at 10Mbs easily.....alas theres not a lot of need for it :( Such as... there's no X.25 switch that does 10Mb/s? ;-) Yes, certainly ET's serial card might do 10Mb/s, but the processor is just not there. Unless you've started shipping 300Mhz Alpha's, and then just mebbe. ;-) So what you're saying is that there are some things that work and some that don't, which kind of makes this whole discussion moot...if you happen to be using something that is "broken" (by your definition, whatever criteria you might be using), then you are up sh*ts creek. Correct. Sound like a crapshoot, no matter who the vendor is. Might as well save the money. Only if you want out of the game. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 17:24:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA18489 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA18483 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00366; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:24:04 -0800 (PST) To: "Mikael Hugo" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jan 1997 01:21:48 +0100." <199701070022.BAA00205@gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:24:04 -0800 Message-ID: <362.852600244@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What hardware is recommended? > > For a full feed I would suggest 2*4*4 SCSI drives spread over two fast > controllers. > > That should be running on a P128 with 198MB of RAM, and linked to the net > with a minimum of T1. I don't suppose some of you ISP folks would consider taking a walk on the wild side with SGML and begin writing up a little "ISP's Guide to FreeBSD", much as Paul Vixie has done for BSDI? The principle author could even be forgiven for putting in a little paragraph of advertising at the end ("This guide brought to you courtesy of Internotworks, providers of fine internet services to the greater Moosebreath, Wisconsin region and general all-around network gurus.") In the highly competetive world of ISPs, a plug like that replicated onto dozens of WEB servers around the world certainly couldn't hurt. :-) Plug or no plug, it would also be a very very useful thing to have if you guys don't want to be stuck answering the same-old "{Can, How do} I use FreeBSD in implementing a {WEB server, NNTP server, dialin server, IP router, space heater}" from now until death by old age. FreeBSD's popularity seems to be growing steadily, with no immediate end in sight, and these questions are only going to multiply. I'd hope that a more comprehensive document which users could simply be pointed at in a one-line URL reply could eventually substitute for the brute-force technique of answering these questions repetitively (or worse, not at all!). I don't mind writing up my hardware tips (http://www.freebsd.org/hw.html), but when it comes time to document how to set up a serious application box, that's where your collective experience far exceeds mine. I just don't have the time to be a developer and an ISP both. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 18:03:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA21118 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA21110 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA09276; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:02:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mikael Hugo , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <362.852600244@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I don't suppose some of you ISP folks would consider taking a walk on > the wild side with SGML and begin writing up a little "ISP's Guide to > FreeBSD", much as Paul Vixie has done for BSDI? The principle author > could even be forgiven for putting in a little paragraph of > advertising at the end ("This guide brought to you courtesy of > Internotworks, providers of fine internet services to the greater > Moosebreath, Wisconsin region and general all-around network gurus.") Jordan, I think that this is a fantastic idea, lord knows I've done some hacking to FreeBSD to make it do things that I needed it to do. I've got 4 machines with 2.0, 2.1.5, 2.1.6 and 2.1.6 deployed with more on the way, and they work amazingly well (yes I've got to upgrade the 2.0 box, it is starting to show the signs of time). My point is that of TIME, perhaps if someone would be interested in acting as coordinator to all the sources of input, we could get the 'ISP's guide to FreeBSD' or should it be the 'FreeBSD guide for ISPs' off the ground! The news server chapter ought to make people wet their pants... Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 18:57:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA23635 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA23630 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vhRi7-0008wLC; Mon, 6 Jan 97 18:56 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: mail weirdness To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:56:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: peter@clari.net.au, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701061634.JAA21269@rocky.mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Jan 6, 97 09:34:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > beginning to smell some sort of incompatability in the BSD stack and > Qualcomm's popper, but I personally have users who download megabytes of > email every day w/out a problem, so maybe it's a modem setup problem? I hooked my laptop up to a cell phone and tried to use Eudora to download my mail while out of town over New Year's. The time it actually made it far enough to start downloading messages, it made it through about 80 of them before hanging. Being WinDoze 1895, there's squat for information about what's going on, but kermit did work, with only one or two call drops. It's definitely a hostile environment. Some others around said they thought there might be timing problems with POP. -- Alan Batie ______ batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Assimilate this! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Worf, First Contact DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 19:39:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA25398 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA25390 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA23454 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:37:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32D1C48F.61133CF4@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 19:35:43 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: To those who responded before... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quite a few people responded to my call for ISPs to help test the FreeBSD based Interjet.. I'm sure I got them all, but if you havent heard back from Whistle Communications yet, respond to tlc@whistle.com (I'm at USENIX). and she'll send out the ISP info sheets. thanks for your attention :) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 19:41:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA25562 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA25557 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vhSPS-0008wFC; Mon, 6 Jan 97 19:41 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router To: zabeva@nzsakl.bhp.com.au (Andrew Bevin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:41:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199701062159.KAA21175@netman.nzsakl.bhp.com.au> from "Andrew Bevin" at Jan 7, 97 11:03:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > now I need to move to a channellized E1/PRI ISDN as there are > considerable cost saving for me, line charge wise. I'm looking at the same thing. The new 56K technology is going to force a move to fully digital trunks, and as long as I'm doing that, it looks like ISDN is the right way to do it. Unfortunately, that's also going to force me to go to one of these black boxes. I'd like to find a digital modem solution that gave me ports to FreeBSD, and didn't try to be a router too. -- Alan Batie ______ batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Assimilate this! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Worf, First Contact DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 6 19:46:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA25753 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA25748 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA02374; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:46:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id VAA04419; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:46:10 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199701070346.VAA04419@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 21:46:08 CST Cc: mikael@hugo.pp.se, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <362.852600244@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 6, 97 05:24:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jordan, > I don't suppose some of you ISP folks would consider taking a walk on > the wild side with SGML and begin writing up a little "ISP's Guide to > FreeBSD", much as Paul Vixie has done for BSDI? The principle author > could even be forgiven for putting in a little paragraph of > advertising at the end ("This guide brought to you courtesy of > Internotworks, providers of fine internet services to the greater > Moosebreath, Wisconsin region and general all-around network gurus.") As a Wisconsin resident, I take offense to that!!!!! ( :-) ) > Plug or no plug, it would also be a very very useful thing to have if > you guys don't want to be stuck answering the same-old "{Can, How do} > I use FreeBSD in implementing a {WEB server, NNTP server, dialin > server, IP router, space heater}" from now until death by old age. Yes. I am planning to do the NNTP one. For those who are not in-the-know, I have spent the past month or so working on an even bigger, badder news box: newsfeeds.sol.net. This box is a supercharged news engine, and one of my goals in building it is to document how to really build a news server from hell. I just barely started the Web pages today (http://www.nntp.sol.net), but won't actually start talking about hw/sw until I get some more good stuff put together. More soon. I've just been so busy putting it together and arranging for feeds... :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 01:43:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA10375 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhiannon.clari.net.au (dns1.clari.net.au [203.27.85.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA10364 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by rhiannon.clari.net.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA02504; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:43:47 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199701061634.JAA21269@rocky.mt.sri.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:42:15 +1100 (EST) Organization: ClariNET Internet Servies From: Peter Hawkins To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: mail weirdness Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >FWIW, there are some folks running BSDi who see the same problem. I'm >beginning to smell some sort of incompatability in the BSD stack and >Qualcomm's popper, but I personally have users who download megabytes of >email every day w/out a problem, so maybe it's a modem setup problem? > >I'm assuming you're using a modem, correct? Yes. And in regards to handshaking, both w95's dialer's prefs and also the user's eudora are set to hardware hs. Another customer sent me a large file without problem last night. It appears to be specific to the user. Peter From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 05:14:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA21567 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 05:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id FAA21561 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from damian@localhost) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA03494 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:12:30 GMT Message-Id: <199701071312.NAA03494@axe.cablenet.net> Subject: web/ftp space To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org (FreeBSD ISP) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:12:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "Damian Hamill" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking for web/ftp space in the US/Canada. We develop a client/server product for ISPs called PoP In A Box that does lots of fancy things to do with manageing an ISP customer base. The client side is currently being modified so that it can be used by users without the servers installed on their ISP and this will be freely downloadable. The products are free to use (with registration and support options) and so we are looking for some US/Canada based ftp and web page distributions sites so our bandwidth doesn't get swamped. We are prepared to pay a reasonable annual fee of course, however any offers of free mirroring would be greatly appreciated. Please send any offers/quotes direct to me coz I'm sure the list isn't interested. regards damian -- "There's plenty of rainforest" - A person selling Living Marxism at Edinburgh Festival. Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 06:03:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA23164 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 06:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA23159 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 06:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from louis (async249-44.async.duke.edu [152.3.249.44]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.7.1/Duke-3.0) with SMTP id IAA11051; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970107135737.0066ecec@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:57:37 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Charles Reese Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am also interested in setting up News and at the risk of getting roasted I would like to ask if anyone has used a multiple PC/FreeBSD system using IDE drives. For the same price as the SCSI system one could get 3- 486s each with 2 enhanced IDEs. I'm ducking now, Charlie Reese At 01:21 AM 1/7/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hi! > >> Does FreeBSD make a good News server? > >I am running several inhouse, serving thousands of clients every day. They >are in my experience better than all the expensive systems, and more stable >that the other free systems like the l-word. > >> What hardware is recommended? > >For a full feed I would suggest 2*4*4 SCSI drives spread over two fast >controllers. > >That should be running on a P128 with 198MB of RAM, and linked to the net >with a minimum of T1. > >I suggest starting with something a lot less, and only taking in some >groups :) > >> Required reading? > >http://www.isc.org/isc/inn.html > >> Required software? > >ftp://ftp.vix.com/pub/inn > >A bit terse, but you wanted to learn for yourself :) > >PS: Ill be glad to give you some tips if you get stuck! > >Regards > > Mikael Hugo > > ------------------------------------------------------ Charles E. Reese * Senior Research Associate * Chemistry Dept. * * Duke University * Consulting services: * Durham, NC 27710 * Chromatography * 919-660-1585 * Chemometrics * 919-544-7217 * Isotachophoresis * * WWW site development * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 06:46:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA24525 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 06:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA24508 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 06:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA23908; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:40:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:40:20 +0100 (MET) From: BSD Mailinglisten-User To: Nate Williams cc: Peter Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail weirdness In-Reply-To: <199701062333.QAA22914@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Nate Williams wrote: > > We have exactly the same problem. Customers with absolutely stable links > > (using modems with CSLIP and/or ISDN with PPP) have sometimes problems > > with popper, especially with large mails. I tried to reproduce the > > problem using perl to no avail.... > > My suspicion (and it's only that) is that the users somehow have > software hand-shaking set at their end. Normal traffic is slow enough > (and in short bursts) such that the handshaking isn't a problem > normally, but when they download large email from the ISP it's a long > sustained download that isn't interrupted which would cause the modem to > tell things to slow down. Since only one end is using software > handshaking, I think things get confused and the modem is never sent the > 'XON' signal and everything hangs. I don't think so. The same customers have absolutely no problems getting _large_ files using ftp from the same server (running 2.1.6.1 BTW), but have problems with POP3. Since nearly everyone with POP3 uses Nutcrap, maybe that's the problem.... Martin | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 07:33:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA26244 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA26239 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA15851; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:55:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:55:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Charles Reese cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970107135737.0066ecec@chem.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am also interested in setting up News and at the risk of getting roasted I > would like to ask if anyone has used a multiple PC/FreeBSD system using IDE > drives. For the same price as the SCSI system one could get 3- 486s each > with 2 enhanced IDEs. (No knives be thrown) I have never seen that being used. But for all the I/O that a news server does, IDE just can not handle it. Haveing a few 486 do it, will not serve very well, you need to figure what machine the feed will goto, what machine will handle uucp, and what machine will handle the readers. And getting them synced will hurt. > >For a full feed I would suggest 2*4*4 SCSI drives spread over two fast > >controllers. What about a few 9s > >That should be running on a P128 with 198MB of RAM, and linked to the net > >with a minimum of T1. > > > >I suggest starting with something a lot less, and only taking in some > >groups :) > > > >> Required reading? > > > >http://www.isc.org/isc/inn.html > > > >> Required software? > > > >ftp://ftp.vix.com/pub/inn With NOV. It makes the expires run fast. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 08:01:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA27260 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA27254 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA21635; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:18:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA20605; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:56:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: Charles Reese cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970107135737.0066ecec@chem.duke.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Charles Reese wrote: > I am also interested in setting up News and at the risk of getting roasted I > would like to ask if anyone has used a multiple PC/FreeBSD system using IDE > drives. For the same price as the SCSI system one could get 3- 486s each > with 2 enhanced IDEs. > > I'm ducking now, *sizzle* Mmmm, roast duck! Nobody uses IDE drives on servers of any sort. The side effect of this is that the drive manufacturers have somewhat higher internal quality standards for SCSI drive models even when the physical mechanism is identical to the IDE model. Of course, this doesn't always mean they are perfect, but it helps to make SCSI drives last longer under a thrashing. And in a news server, thrashing is what they will get. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 09:09:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA29815 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA29809 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.gds.de (donald.plusnet.de [194.231.79.11]) by gds.de (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26036 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:09:33 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701071709.SAA26036@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Gresek" Organization: Plus.Net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:08:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: FreeBSD 3.0, SMP Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id JAA29810 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell where to get the sources for FreeBSD-3.0-current. I´d like to test and use FreeBSD on a Dual Processor Board. Looking forward to any hint. Thanks in advance Richard +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ : Plus.Net Internet PoP fuer : Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt & Westerwald : 60596 Frankfurt : Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusnet.de : Fax : +49 69 610238 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 10:18:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA02717 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepo.prosa.dk ([193.89.187.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA02702 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA11183; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:17:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:17:43 +0100 From: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) Subject: Dialout server X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A i386 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a strange setup to accomplish, and I thought freebsd-isp might be the place :-P I have to set up a dialin server, so that local users can dialup from home using PPP, and so access the Lan and the outside world. Where it gets tricky is that users _at work_ would like to be able to dial OUT from their office computer. I have thought about several solutions, each uglier than the other :-) : 1) Forget FreeBSD and setup NT with some modem share package :-((( But I would like to avoid it because: - I would like to keep all modems on one machine - ... NT ... (and Artisoft and such :-/ ) 2) Force users to telnet to a wrapper that starts a comm program like minicom, but: - I'm stuck with file transfers and so - Can't use terminal emulators like (hrmmm) HyperTerminal... Thus: Is there any package (maybe commercial) out there that would allow me to dialout using some comm program on Win 3.x/95, on a FreeBSD modem pool ? (Short of writing one -- I imagine you have to redirect irqs and such on the Win box...). -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@.prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 11:32:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA06151 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA06146 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30747 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:33:49 -0500 Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa03563; 7 Jan 97 14:33 EST Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: Michael Dillon cc: Charles Reese , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Charles Reese wrote: > > > I am also interested in setting up News and at the risk of getting roasted I > > would like to ask if anyone has used a multiple PC/FreeBSD system using IDE > > drives. For the same price as the SCSI system one could get 3- 486s each > > with 2 enhanced IDEs. > > > > I'm ducking now, > > *sizzle* Mmmm, roast duck! > > Nobody uses IDE drives on servers of any sort. > > The side effect of this is that the drive manufacturers have somewhat > higher internal quality standards for SCSI drive models even when the > physical mechanism is identical to the IDE model. Of course, this doesn't > always mean they are perfect, but it helps to make SCSI drives last longer > under a thrashing. And in a news server, thrashing is what they will get. i second this one - I used IDE's for some simple servers and they eventually each made me a problem I couldnt rectify without tossing the drive and replacing it altogether. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 13:03:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA11325 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se (gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se [194.23.96.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA11301 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from powertower.hugo.pp.se (powertower.hugo.pp.se [194.23.99.26]) by gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA00403; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:01:59 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701072101.WAA00403@gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se> From: "Mikael Hugo" To: "Stefan Molnar" Cc: Subject: Re: News on FreeBSD Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:01:17 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >For a full feed I would suggest 2*4*4 SCSI drives spread over two fast > > >controllers. > > What about a few 9s I would rather buy two 4 gbs, or do you mean 9ms? More spindle - more speed! :) Regards Mikael Hugo From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 13:30:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA12665 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA12656 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA05613; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:35:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970107162940.00aab6f0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 16:29:43 -0500 To: Tony Li From: dennis Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 05:03 PM 1/6/97 -0800, you wrote: > > X.25 is just a protocol...why would one protocol work at 4Mbs and not > another? > >Well, because X.25 has a LOT more overhead. You might take a look at >what's really required. The link level has retransmissions and sliding >windows. And that's just for starters. Then, there's also the issue of >MTU.... > > There is no good reason to be able to run Frame Relay at > high speed and not X.25. > >Actually, there are some very, very good reasons. Obviously you are using the wrong hardware. With LAPB hardware, X.25 runs beautifully at high speeds. Its self-throttling, and, since its windowed, the speed of the host processes dont matter. You cant send more than a window, so slow devices just dont pass as much data. Its the way its SUPPOSED to work...protocols that is. Now I've had some real fun with a 2501 sending it single flag separated data at 2.5Mbs.... > if anything, X.25 should be more reliable because > it can be throttled by the receiver. We do X.25 at 10Mbs easily.....alas > theres not a lot of need for it :( > >Such as... there's no X.25 switch that does 10Mb/s? ;-) Because theres no market for it, not because it cant be done. many switches use the same processor that we do...but T3 is pretty uncommon overseas, and X.25 in the US...well.... >ET's serial card might do 10Mb/s, but the processor is just not there. >Unless you've started shipping 300Mhz Alpha's, and then just mebbe. ;-) And why does it take more cpu to do X.25 at 10Mbs than it does to do TCP/IP at 10Mbs? or are you saying that you need 300Mhz to do 10Mbs? With a 25mhz LAPB processor and a lightweight pentium you can run X.25 at 10Mbs...how much data you can pass depends on the speed of the receiver and what you're passing. But the processors run LAPB at 30Mbs or something (not V.35 of course)....anyone who runs soft LAPB is nuts...I've never seen one that wasnt a nightmare waiting to happen (ie...2501). I think you've been playing bit-stuffing with crappy hardware for way too long......because you seem out of the loop. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 13:53:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA13872 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA13867 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA05485; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA06810; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:51:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:51:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701072151.NAA06810@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: dennis@etinc.com CC: isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970107162940.00aab6f0@etinc.com> (message from dennis on Tue, 07 Jan 1997 16:29:43 -0500) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as T1 router Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Its self-throttling, and, since its windowed, the speed of the host processes dont matter. Then I guess this argument doesn't matter either. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 16:55:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA29524 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA29518 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: rg@gds.de Received: from pluto.gds.de (donald.plusnet.de [194.231.79.11]) by gds.de (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA03700 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:55:26 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701080055.BAA03700@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:54:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: grep & replace Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, I have to replace one special word in about one hundred files. The expression could be several time in some files. Is there something like grep that would not only find these expressions but also replace them by the new one? Thanks Richard +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ : GRESEK DATA SYSTEMS : Hauptstrasse 2 : 56271 Kleinmaischeid : Tel.: +49 2689 959120 http://www.gds.de : Fax : +49 2689 959122 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 17:20:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA00991 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00972 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA01681; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:19:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bitbucket.edmweb.com: steve owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Reid To: rg@gds.de cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: grep & replace In-Reply-To: <199701080055.BAA03700@gds.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have to replace one special word in about one hundred files. The > expression could be several time in some files. > Is there something like grep that would not only find these > expressions but also replace them by the new one? Try sed. You'll probably get more info from looking at shell scripts that use sed (look in /etc) than from the sed man page. If you need to do really complex stuff, you might prefer Perl. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 17:46:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA04051 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA04035 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA03505; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:46:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:46:22 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: rg@gds.de cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: grep & replace In-Reply-To: <199701080055.BAA03700@gds.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 rg@gds.de wrote: > Hallo, > > I have to replace one special word in about one hundred files. The > expression could be several time in some files. > > Is there something like grep that would not only find these > expressions but also replace them by the new one? yep... it's sed: #!/bin/sh - for i in $*; do sed -e 's/word/newword/g' < $i > /tmp/$$.sed.out mv /tmp/$$.sed.out $i done that will replace all of `word' with `newword' in all the files listed on the command line.... hope this helps... ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 20:48:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA12258 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA12253 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA14581; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:48:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199701080448.XAA14581@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: bminazzi@w3page.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xylogics Remote Annex SW and FBSD Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.isp References: <5aruc4$1mq4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.isp you write: >Shaun Finn wrote: >> >> >> We are running erpcd release 3.1 on a 2.0.5R FBSD machine. I chose >> the compile option and everything worked fine. I was expecting to >> have to update FBSD to at least 2.1.0 in order to make it work, but >> was pleasantly surprised. >> > >I have a pair of MicroAnnex XL's. What would I need to do to make these >puppies go with FreeBSD? Any Clue's? > ( the People at Bay have been less than Helpfull. As soon as you >mention FreeBSD, they say *NOT SUPPORTED*! ) Thats Odd, in my manuals FreeBSD is specifically listed as a supported source release for erpcd, and I'm running it on several FreeBSD boxes with zero problems.. Their compile tools even noticed it was FreeBSD and took care of the rest.. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 21:24:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA13431 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamespot.com (ns1.gamespot.com [206.169.18.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA13426 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from tech-a.gamespot.com (tech-a.gamespot.com [206.169.18.66]) by gamespot.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA13424 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 05:24:38 GMT Message-Id: <199701080524.FAA13424@gamespot.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ian Kallen" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:26:35 +0000 Subject: was IP forwarding broken in 2.1.5? Reply-to: ian@gamespot.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've two freeBSD boxes I want to have provide routing between two LANs. Each has a working ethernet interface and we're using ppp with ijppp and tun0. OK. Machine A (and its ethernet peers) can ping machine B's "modem" interface and B's ethernet card i.e. machine B is forwarding packets as we desire between the two devices. However, pings to machine A (and from B and its ethernet peers) only get as far as A's modem -- nor are Machine A's ethernet peers reachable from the machine B network. Machine A is 2.1.5 off the CD. (not providing ip forwarding) Machine B is 2.1.6.1 from freebsd.org as of three weeks ago or so. (forwarding fine) is this a known bug we'll get past by upgrading?? -- Ian Kallen ian@gamespot.com Director of Technology & Web Administration http://www.gamespot.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 7 23:52:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA19791 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdcur@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA19784; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bsdcur@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.4/8.8.3) id JAA14506; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:51:19 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199701080751.JAA14506@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: dedicating bandwidth? To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:51:19 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hmm... i think i did ask about this a while back, but didnt get any answers... that leads me to assume my message didnt get thru somehow... anyway, i would like to dedicate bandwidth between my machine, and the ethernet machine(s). meaning that the ethernet can not take the full ppp bandwidth and also that my machine can not take it all so that there's something left for the ethernet users... i expect being "forced" to hack the kernel code, so few pointers would be welcome, i know some c but am no wizard... since i'm running current i would assume -current is somewhat approppriate place, and i would assume someone on the isp land have done it... i dont know how usefull the feature would be, but just depending how hard it is to do, would it be possible to include something like that as a feature? at the moment i use bit over a week old -current (havent upgraded coz there's the swap leakage thingie out there) mickey -- mika ruohotie mika@aeon.net net/sys admin mickey@supsys.fi From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 00:36:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA21162 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA21157; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA09144; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:52:13 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199701080752.IAA09144@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: dedicating bandwidth? To: bsdcur@shadows.aeon.net (mika ruohotie) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:52:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701080751.JAA14506@shadows.aeon.net> from "mika ruohotie" at Jan 8, 97 09:51:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > hmm... > > i think i did ask about this a while back, but didnt get any answers... > > that leads me to assume my message didnt get thru somehow... > > anyway, i would like to dedicate bandwidth between my machine, and the > ethernet machine(s). meaning that the ethernet can not take the full > ppp bandwidth and also that my machine can not take it all so that there's > something left for the ethernet users... For a ppp bandwidth limiter you have a number of choices: - the ipretard code that was announced on one of the FreeBSD lists might also suit your needs, since you are dealing with low bandwidth; - if using user-space ppp (iijppp) you can hack the code to build two (or more) separate queues for traffic from/to different sources, and transfer data between the queues and the ppp link in a round-robin fashion - if you want to work within the kernel, you can try to hack a version of my dummynet stuff (http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/research.html) to do something similar to the above; or, find some ready made solution, which I believe some vendor is already (or will be shortly) providing for FreeBSD. Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 01:06:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA22175 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@ppp03.h2net.net [204.227.19.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA22137 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05952 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:14:00 -0700 Message-ID: <32D35748.5E407947@w3page.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 01:14:00 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: dedicating bandwidth? References: <199701080752.IAA09144@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > hmm... > > > > i think i did ask about this a while back, but didnt get any answers... > > > > that leads me to assume my message didnt get thru somehow... > > > > anyway, i would like to dedicate bandwidth between my machine, and the > > ethernet machine(s). meaning that the ethernet can not take the full > > ppp bandwidth and also that my machine can not take it all so that there's > > something left for the ethernet users... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know this is not an answer, but I have to ask. Do you allready have a problem with bandwidth usage? Many times I see people throwing Time/Effort/Money at something that they percieve _may_, _could_be_ , _If the moon is full_ , and I hold my tounge just right, problem. Or, they are not familiar enough with what the operating system is already designed to do. If you are currently experiancing this problem, it may be worth some time and energy. If you just think it might be, or want to be able to micro manage the way FreeBSD works, it might be better to trust the developers of the kernel. They have spent a lot of time, effort, and energy to make this funny little thing called Unix, FreeBSD, etc. do networking and multitasking, bandwidth utilization, etc. *VERY WELL*. I only say this because I have had a number of clients go from other O/S's, and are used to crappy performance due to one machine or system hogging all the resourses. Get them set up right, and it just humms along, working perfectly. A properly tuned out of the box FreeBSD system can really shine, without a lot of hacking. Kudo's to the Core Team. Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 02:17:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA25147 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA25139 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA09365; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:33:01 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199701080933.KAA09365@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: dedicating bandwidth? To: bminazzi@w3page.com (Blaine Minazzi) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:33:01 +0100 (MET) Cc: isp@freeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <32D35748.5E407947@w3page.com> from "Blaine Minazzi" at Jan 8, 97 01:13:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > anyway, i would like to dedicate bandwidth between my machine, and the > > > ethernet machine(s). meaning that the ethernet can not take the full > > > ppp bandwidth and also that my machine can not take it all so that there's > > > something left for the ethernet users... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I know this is not an answer, but I have to ask. > Do you allready have a problem with bandwidth usage? > > Many times I see people throwing Time/Effort/Money at something that > they percieve _may_, _could_be_ , _If the moon is full_ , and I hold my > tounge just right, problem. Or, they are not familiar enough with what > the operating system is already designed to do. Good point. In this specific case, though, it is true that it is easy to saturate a PPP link pumping data from an Ethernet. The TCP congestion avoidance policies do not help, since the window for each TCP connection fills up until the max size (e.g. 16KB), say you have 4 parallel connections (netscape ?), then all these packets pile up in your send queue easily amounting to delays of several seconds (up to 10 or more). This is just something the current IP implementation is not able (and designed to) deal with properly. At some point (2.1R) our TCP even had a nasty feature which completely disabled slow start on a 'local' (intended as a class A,B,C) network. Having a small amount of reserved bandwidth helps a lot in this case (or you can assign priorities depending on type of traffic, such as some version of iijppp is supposed to do, and some actually do). This is not to criticize FreeBSD, it's just that all systems have bugs or missing features and ours is no exception (luckily, otherwise there would be no need for people hacking it :). Luigi From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 07:35:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA10559 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 07:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (hammurabi.nh.ultra.net [205.162.79.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA10554; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 07:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucy.portsmouth ([192.32.47.84]) by hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (8.7.4/ult1.04) with SMTP id KAA12116; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32D3BEA0.31DFF4F5@qosnet.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:34:56 -0500 From: Greg Burch X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mika ruohotie CC: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, png@qosnet.com Subject: Re: dedicating bandwidth? References: <199701080751.JAA14506@shadows.aeon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mika, We have implemented st2+ (rfc1819) and rsvp for freebsd beginning with 2.1.5. Our implementation includes resource (bandwidth) reservation, management, policing, etc for WAN services such as ppp and fr. If I understand your question correctly, the bandwidth management components may address what you are looking to do. Regards, Greg Burch Qosnetics gregb@qosnet.com . mika ruohotie wrote: > > hmm... > > i think i did ask about this a while back, but didnt get any answers... > > that leads me to assume my message didnt get thru somehow... > > anyway, i would like to dedicate bandwidth between my machine, and the > ethernet machine(s). meaning that the ethernet can not take the full > ppp bandwidth and also that my machine can not take it all so that there's > something left for the ethernet users... > > i expect being "forced" to hack the kernel code, so few pointers would > be welcome, i know some c but am no wizard... > > since i'm running current i would assume -current is somewhat approppriate > place, and i would assume someone on the isp land have done it... > > i dont know how usefull the feature would be, but just depending how hard > it is to do, would it be possible to include something like that as a > feature? > > at the moment i use bit over a week old -current (havent upgraded coz there's > the swap leakage thingie out there) > > mickey > -- > mika ruohotie mika@aeon.net > net/sys admin mickey@supsys.fi From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 10:12:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA21114 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis.idirect.com (root@nemesis.idirect.com [207.136.80.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA21107 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hometown.idirect.com (carrera@hometown.idirect.com [207.136.66.27]) by nemesis.idirect.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24133; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:12:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (carrera@localhost) by hometown.idirect.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13958; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:48:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hometown.idirect.com: carrera owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:48:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Lixfeld To: bsdi-users@bsdi.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 11:54:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA25616 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdcur@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA25582; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bsdcur@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.4/8.8.3) id VAA18502; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:52:31 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199701081952.VAA18502@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: dedicating bandwidth? To: gregb@qosnet.com (Greg Burch) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:52:31 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, png@qosnet.com In-Reply-To: <32D3BEA0.31DFF4F5@qosnet.com> from Greg Burch at "Jan 8, 97 10:34:56 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Mika, > > We have implemented st2+ (rfc1819) and rsvp for freebsd beginning with > 2.1.5. Our implementation includes resource (bandwidth) reservation, > management, policing, etc for WAN services such as ppp and fr. If I > understand your question correctly, the bandwidth management components > may address what you are looking to do. sounds like it, where can i find it? cool. =) > Regards, > Greg Burch > Qosnetics > gregb@qosnet.com mickey From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 12:02:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA26014 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA26001 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.4/8.8.3) id VAA18518; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:58:46 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199701081958.VAA18518@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: dedicating bandwidth? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:58:46 +0200 (EET) Cc: bminazzi@w3page.com, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701080933.KAA09365@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Jan 8, 97 10:33:01 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > tounge just right, problem. Or, they are not familiar enough with what > > the operating system is already designed to do. > Good point. hmm... > In this specific case, though, it is true that it is easy to > saturate a PPP link pumping data from an Ethernet. The TCP congestion exactly. > Having a small amount of reserved bandwidth helps a lot in this case > (or you can assign priorities depending on type of traffic, such as > some version of iijppp is supposed to do, and some actually do). since i'm on leased 57600 line (might be 115200 next week, certainly something faster in next 6 months of time) and it's not dialup, i use kernel ppp... > would be no need for people hacking it :). =) and i certainly appreciate everyhing freebsd-dev-people are doing, no doubt about it. > Luigi mickey From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 13:07:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA29311 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamespot.com (ns1.gamespot.com [206.169.18.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA29305 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tech-a.gamespot.com (tech-a.gamespot.com [206.169.18.66]) by gamespot.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02070 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:07:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701090507.VAA02070@gamespot.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ian Kallen" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:09:00 +0000 Subject: boot floppies broken? Reply-to: ian@gamespot.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've downloaded boot.flp from /pub/FreeBSD/2.1.6-RELEASE (yes, as a binary) and used dd if=/tmp/boot.flp of=/dev/rfd0c bs=36b to make an image but if I try to mount it I get a bad superblock complaint. I tried it on a few different floppies and a few different machines. I formatted from win95 and ran scandisk without any problems. Is the disk image corrupt or am I forgetting something here?? -- Ian Kallen ian@gamespot.com Director of Technology & Web Administration http://www.gamespot.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 14:25:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA03966 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA03959 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02950; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:25:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:25:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199701082225.PAA02950@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: ian@gamespot.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot floppies broken? In-Reply-To: <199701090507.VAA02070@gamespot.com> References: <199701090507.VAA02070@gamespot.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ian Kallen writes: > I've downloaded boot.flp from /pub/FreeBSD/2.1.6-RELEASE (yes, as a > binary) and used > dd if=/tmp/boot.flp of=/dev/rfd0c bs=36b > to make an image but if I try to mount it I get a bad superblock > complaint. The disks aren't filesystems, so therefore aren't mountable and/or fsck'able. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 15:11:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06791 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA06783 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00696 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:10:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bitbucket.edmweb.com: steve owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Reid To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious security bug in wu-ftpd v2.4 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since David Greenman's patch was posted here, I figure this should be posted here as well... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:02:51 -0500 (EST) From: Wietse Venema Reply-To: best-of-security@suburbia.net To: best-of-security@suburbia.net Cc: wu-ftpd-bugs@academ.com, best-of-security@suburbia.net Subject: BoS: serious security bug in wu-ftpd v2.4 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:44:21 +1100 (EST) Resent-From: best-of-security@suburbia.net Two brief comments on the patches that were suggested sofar. - The patch proposed by David Greenman (clear the transflag variable in function dologout()) makes the window of opportunity much smaller, but does not close it. The hole still exists. It's just smaller. - The patch posted by Dave Kinchlea ignores signals entirely and thus may cause loss of information. It is system-call intensive. This is the same approach that I took for an initial fix in my logdaemon utilities. Here is an alternative solution that delays signal delivery without ignoring signals. It minimizes system calls (one syscall to delay all signals, and one to undo the delay). Tested on: BSD/OS 2.1, SunOS 5.5, SunOS 4.1.3_U1, FreeBSD 2.1.5, IRIX 5.3, and HP-UX 9.5. I wonder what UNIX ftpd implementations did NOT have this hole. Wietse /* * delay_signaling(), enable_signaling - delay signal delivery for a while * * Author: Wietse Venema */ #include #include #include static sigset_t saved_sigmask; static sigset_t block_sigmask; static int delaying; static int init_done; /* init_mask - compute signal mask only once */ static void init_mask() { int sig; init_done = 1; sigemptyset(&block_sigmask); for (sig = 1; sig < NSIG; sig++) sigaddset(&block_sigmask, sig); } /* enable_signaling - deliver delayed signals and disable signal delay */ int enable_signaling() { if (delaying != 0) { delaying = 0; if (sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, &saved_sigmask, (sigset_t *) 0) < 0) { syslog(LOG_ERR, "sigprocmask: %m"); return (-1); } } return (0); } /* delay_signaling - save signal mask and block all signals */ int delay_signaling() { if (init_done == 0) init_mask(); if (delaying == 0) { delaying = 1; if (sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, &block_sigmask, &saved_sigmask) < 0) { syslog(LOG_ERR, "sigprocmask: %m"); return (-1); } } return (0); } #ifdef TEST #include void gotsig(sig) int sig; { printf("Got signal %d\n", sig); } main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { signal(SIGINT, gotsig); signal(SIGQUIT, gotsig); delay_signaling(); sleep(5); enable_signaling(); exit(0); } #endif From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 16:30:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA13591 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from irvine.americasnet.com (ricardo@irvine.americasnet.com [208.145.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA13586 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ricardo@localhost) by irvine.americasnet.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11670 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:31:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ricardo Kleemann To: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: snmp? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to run a program that uses snmp, but my freebsd box seems to be rejecting an snmp connection. My other server (linux) isn't complaining... Since I've never really used snmp, I don't really know where to look for problems. Any insight? Thanks. Ricardo From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 17:37:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA16551 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:37:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis.idirect.com (root@nemesis.idirect.com [207.136.80.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA16542 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from industry.idirect.com (industry.idirect.com [205.206.21.8]) by nemesis.idirect.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA28573; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:37:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Lixfeld To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Network Monitoring Utility Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a decent program for BSD (FreeBSD)? I am looking for something that I can setup will all the servers, terminal servers, news servers, proxy servers, routers, and external connections and monitor the services for each. ie: mail = smtp & pop service and ping monitor, news = nntp service and ping monitor, term servers = telnet and ping monitors etc. We are currently using a Windows '95 based program by IPSwitch called What'sUp, and it works pretty well except for a few odds and ends. We are looking for something that we can tailor and configure to suite our needs and I am just curious as to wether or not anyone here can provide any suggestions! Thanks in advance.. Regards, Jason A. Lixfeld -=- System Administrator Level 1 Systems Liason -=- Internet Direct o/a ComputerLink Online Inc. 5415 Dundas Street West Suite 301 Etobicoke, ON M9B 1B5 CANADA [416] 233.7150 {V} [416] 233.6970 {F} -=- jlixfeld@idirect.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 18:13:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA17933 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (metriclient-8.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA17928 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA01596; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:12:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: Jason Lixfeld cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@bsdi.com Subject: Re: Network Monitoring Utility In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > Does anyone know of a decent program for BSD (FreeBSD)? I am looking for > something that I can setup will all the servers, terminal servers, news > servers, proxy servers, routers, and external connections and monitor > the services for each. ie: mail = smtp & pop service and ping monitor, > news = nntp service and ping monitor, term servers = telnet and ping > monitors etc. We are currently using a Windows '95 based program by > IPSwitch called What'sUp, and it works pretty well except for a few odds > and ends. We are looking for something that we can tailor and configure > to suite our needs and I am just curious as to wether or not anyone here > can provide any suggestions! for FreeBSD there is a port of Big Brother (bb in net) that will watch stuff for you... a friend set it up to watch a server... other than that it watches most common services and allows paging of a sysadmin if something goes wrong... I don't know what other features it has... > Thanks in advance.. hope this helps... ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 18:28:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA18352 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from value.net (patrick@value.net [204.188.125.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA18344 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (patrick@localhost) by value.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21199; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:28:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:28:14 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: Jason Lixfeld cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@BSDI.COM Subject: Re: Network Monitoring Utility In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > Does anyone know of a decent program for BSD (FreeBSD)? I am looking for > something that I can setup will all the servers, terminal servers, news > servers, proxy servers, routers, and external connections and monitor > the services for each. ie: mail = smtp & pop service and ping monitor, > news = nntp service and ping monitor, term servers = telnet and ping > monitors etc. We are currently using a Windows '95 based program by > IPSwitch called What'sUp, and it works pretty well except for a few odds > and ends. We are looking for something that we can tailor and configure > to suite our needs and I am just curious as to wether or not anyone here > can provide any suggestions! Nocol. Extremely flexible and configurable. ftp to ftp.jvnc.net /pub/vikas/nocol.tar.Z /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell (510) 943-5769 voice Systems Administrator (510) 210-2000 modem Value Net, Inc. (510) 943-1708 fax \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 19:07:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA21322 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian.broken.net (R-ddo.resnet.ucsb.edu [128.111.120.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA21317 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ian@localhost) by ian.broken.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) id TAA00345; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:07:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.0 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 19:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Struble To: Patrick Greenwell Subject: Re: Network Monitoring Utility Cc: bsdi-users@BSDI.COM, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Jason Lixfeld Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Nocol. Extremely flexible and configurable. > >ftp to ftp.jvnc.net > >/pub/vikas/nocol.tar.Z Actually it is now at ftp.navya.com in /pub/vikas Ian From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 19:49:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA23648 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamespot.com (ns1.gamespot.com [206.169.18.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA23630; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from tech-a.gamespot.com (tech-a.gamespot.com [206.169.18.66]) by gamespot.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA06378; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:49:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701091149.DAA06378@gamespot.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ian Kallen" To: Nate Williams , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:51:07 +0000 Subject: Re: boot floppies broken? Reply-to: ian@gamespot.com CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, I was really thrown off 'cause I had a 2.1.5 install floppy that was mountable so I ASSumed they all were. Pardon me! thanks > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:25:07 -0700 (MST) > From: Nate Williams > To: ian@gamespot.com > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: boot floppies broken? > Ian Kallen writes: > > I've downloaded boot.flp from /pub/FreeBSD/2.1.6-RELEASE (yes, as a > > binary) and used > > dd if=/tmp/boot.flp of=/dev/rfd0c bs=36b > > to make an image but if I try to mount it I get a bad superblock > > complaint. > > The disks aren't filesystems, so therefore aren't mountable and/or > fsck'able. > > > > > Nate > > -- Ian Kallen ian@gamespot.com Director of Technology & Web Administration http://www.gamespot.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 8 22:17:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA10168 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from revelstone.jvm.com (revelstone.jvm.com [207.98.213.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA10161 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: francisco@natserv.com Received: from natserv.com (slip166-72-219-201.ny.us.ibm.net [166.72.219.201]) by revelstone.jvm.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA23843 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:17:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701090617.BAA23843@revelstone.jvm.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Need FreeBSD consultant in NYC Date: Thu Jan 9 01:08:55 1997 X-Mailer: NeoLogic News for OS/2 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pending approval from my boss and the kind of pricing I get we may need some FreeBSD consulting in NYC. I think it will be basically the following: -Install news server -Help us create a backup strategy (ie hardware, software) -Install XFree or Xinside Other possibilities (pending pricing): -Setup up a firewall -Setup up a proxy server -Setup up a DNS server Please email or fax (212) 366-7738 When you email/faxl please have the following info: -Your name and phone#. -Price per/hour or per day (preferably by hour) -Your FreeBSD and other Unix experience. -Any programming experience you may have (you should least be proficient with either shell scripts or Perl). -Any other info you feel relevant. Schedule would be flexible (ie you could do it on your spare time: evening, weekends), but bare in mind we are very "result-driven" so we may want to pay by project or give small tasks at a time so we can evaluate your skills. We would probably prefer someone who would charge $100 an hour and do something in 1 hour than someone who charges $50 and takes two hours. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 9 03:04:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA23202 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from emma.isdnet.net (emma.isdnet.net [194.149.160.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA23193 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from david@localhost) by emma.isdnet.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA22625; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:04:16 +0100 (MET) From: David Ponzone Message-Id: <199701091104.MAA22625@emma.isdnet.net> Subject: Re: Network Monitoring Utility To: jlixfeld@idirect.com (Jason Lixfeld) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:04:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@BSDI.COM In-Reply-To: from "Jason Lixfeld" at Jan 8, 97 08:42:45 pm X-NCC-RegID: fr.isdnet X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know of a decent program for BSD (FreeBSD)? I am looking for > something that I can setup will all the servers, terminal servers, news > servers, proxy servers, routers, and external connections and monitor > the services for each. ie: mail = smtp & pop service and ping monitor, > news = nntp service and ping monitor, term servers = telnet and ping > monitors etc. We are currently using a Windows '95 based program by > IPSwitch called What'sUp, and it works pretty well except for a few odds > and ends. We are looking for something that we can tailor and configure > to suite our needs and I am just curious as to wether or not anyone here > can provide any suggestions! Have a look at: nocol ftp://ftp.navya.com/~ftp/pub/vikas/ Quite cool for services monitoring. Regards. -- -- David Ponzone - ISDnet - Network Administrator -- Pager: 06 06 41 82 45 Cell: 06 60 61 21 63 Email: david@isdnet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 9 04:29:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA26665 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 04:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.pcrealm.net (root@home.pcrealm.net [206.229.42.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id EAA26660 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 04:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from scsip100gw (internex.dedicated.t1.quadnet.org [206.229.42.99]) by home.pcrealm.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19024; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:29:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701091229.HAA19024@home.pcrealm.net> From: "BSDI Mail" To: "David Ponzone" , "Jason Lixfeld" Cc: "bsdi-users@BSDI.COM" , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 08:24:57 Reply-To: "Greg Wiktor" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Greg Wiktor's Registered PMMail 1.53 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Network Monitoring Utility Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I use a program called TrafShow 2.0 on BSDI, Great Program, shows all the TCP/UDP/ICMP Packets on the entire network. On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:04:15 +0100 (MET), David Ponzone wrote: >> Does anyone know of a decent program for BSD (FreeBSD)? I am looking for >> something that I can setup will all the servers, terminal servers, news >> servers, proxy servers, routers, and external connections and monitor >> the services for each. ie: mail = smtp & pop service and ping monitor, >> news = nntp service and ping monitor, term servers = telnet and ping >> monitors etc. We are currently using a Windows '95 based program by >> IPSwitch called What'sUp, and it works pretty well except for a few odds >> and ends. We are looking for something that we can tailor and configure >> to suite our needs and I am just curious as to wether or not anyone here >> can provide any suggestions! > >Have a look at: >nocol ftp://ftp.navya.com/~ftp/pub/vikas/ > >Quite cool for services monitoring. > >Regards. >-- >-- David Ponzone - ISDnet - Network Administrator -- > Pager: 06 06 41 82 45 Cell: 06 60 61 21 63 > Email: david@isdnet.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 9 09:56:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA12560 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA12553 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA20705; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:01:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970109125544.00aace80@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 12:55:46 -0500 To: mika ruohotie From: dennis Subject: Re: dedicating bandwidth? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:58 PM 1/8/97 +0200, you wrote: >> > tounge just right, problem. Or, they are not familiar enough with what >> > the operating system is already designed to do. >> Good point. > >hmm... > >> In this specific case, though, it is true that it is easy to >> saturate a PPP link pumping data from an Ethernet. The TCP congestion > >exactly. > >> Having a small amount of reserved bandwidth helps a lot in this case >> (or you can assign priorities depending on type of traffic, such as >> some version of iijppp is supposed to do, and some actually do). > >since i'm on leased 57600 line (might be 115200 next week, certainly >something faster in next 6 months of time) and it's not dialup, i >use kernel ppp... 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Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and Linux Standalone Routers Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager http://www.etinc.com sales@etinc.com (516) 271-4525 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 9 13:41:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA23055 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from boris.clintondale.com (boris.clintondale.com [206.88.120.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA23050 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by boris.clintondale.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02498 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Hamilton To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: UPSd and SmartUPS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have a SmratUPS 700 (110v) and I'm trying to get upsd to work with it. I'm pretty sure my serial ports are set up OK... I have nothing else to test them with. I have both sio0 and sio1 in my kernel. When I try and load UPSd it says that it can't put the UPS into smart mode. I presume this means "I can't communicate with the UPS". Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong? -Matt PS does anyone have a upsd.conf file for a 110v SmartUPS? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Hamilton Clintondale Aviation matt@clintondale.com http://www.clintondale.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 01:03:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA01053 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA01042; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA06406; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:16:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-hackares@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: pppd and the login option Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I've been working on setting up a ppp dialup server. I've gotten it to work with PAP via pap-secrets, and I'm now experimenting with it doing PAP authentication through the system password database (by the 'login' option). I've found that pppd keeps dying at login verification. On going through the source code, I've managed to pinpoint the problem to the crypt() call in login(): (file auth.c somewhere about line 500:) epasswd = (char *) crypt(passwd, pw->pw_passwd); if (strcmp(epasswd, pw->pw_passwd)) { syslog(LOG_WARNING,"FAILED crypt validation."); return (UPAP_AUTHNAK); } It core dumps with a segmentation fault at the crypt() call. To make sure that crypt() is not at fault, I made a similar copy of the login function in a separate test file, and it works there. I can put up the test file if anyone likes to take a look. Anyone have any ideas? The mailing lists show quite a few people with problems with the login option. Maybe this is the reason. Thanks. Len. PS> why do I want to use the system database? Simple - I don't like having a unencrypted password file anywhere (even if it's supposedly group and world unreadable). From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 05:59:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA12250 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA12245; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id FAA14628; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:58:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: Leonard Chua cc: freebsd-hackares@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd and the login option In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > Hi. I've been working on setting up a ppp dialup server. I've gotten it to > work with PAP via pap-secrets, and I'm now experimenting with it doing > PAP authentication through the system password database (by the 'login' > option). I've found that pppd keeps dying at login verification. [...] > It core dumps with a segmentation fault at the crypt() call. > To make sure that crypt() is not at fault, I made a similar copy of the > login function in a separate test file, and it works there. > I can put up the test file if anyone likes to take a look. > > Anyone have any ideas? The mailing lists show quite a few people with > problems with the login option. Maybe this is the reason. well... could you inform us to what version of FreeBSD your running? (and ident of /usr/sbin/pppd would be nice too...) I'm running pppd with the login option (plus a few local hacks) and it's running fine... I never have seen pppd seg fault there.... of course that's because I haven't seen it seg fault :)... > PS> why do I want to use the system database? Simple - I don't like > having a unencrypted password file anywhere (even if it's supposedly > group and world unreadable). plus it's also very hard for your users to change there password :) ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 08:23:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA18167 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA18160 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA18936; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:16:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Magee To: Matt Hamilton cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPSd and SmartUPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Matt Hamilton wrote: > Hi All, > I have a SmratUPS 700 (110v) and I'm trying to get upsd to work with it. > I'm pretty sure my serial ports are set up OK... I have nothing else to > test them with. I have both sio0 and sio1 in my kernel. > When I try and load UPSd it says that it can't put the UPS into smart > mode. I presume this means "I can't communicate with the UPS". > Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong? > > -Matt > > PS does anyone have a upsd.conf file for a 110v SmartUPS? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Matt Hamilton Clintondale Aviation > matt@clintondale.com http://www.clintondale.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > I use a Smart-UPS/VS 650 which was hard to configure. Even though this isn't your model, maybe it'll help you or anyone else with a VS series UPS. # $Id: upsd.conf,v 2.0 1996/01/28 11:50:37 alexis Exp $ # # UPS Daemon # The Wild Wind Communications, 1995, 1996 # # See file LICENSE for the distribution terms of this software. # ups "smart-ups-vs" (420) proto "apc-smart-vs" { device "/dev/cuaa0" speed 2400 read-timeout 2 write-block-size 1 write-block-delay 50 queue-size 64 } every 5 { poll "status" # PowerChute does it so do we } on "initialize" != "SM" { poll "initialize" after 60 every 60 { log emerg "Cannot put the UPS into smart mode!" } } every 300 { # poll the UPS poll "last-test" log info "last test: %last-test%" } on "line-fail" every 20 { log emerg "*** ALERT! Source power line failed, logout NOW! ***" } on "line-restore" { log emerg "Source power line restored, you may continue your work." } on "line-fail" after 60 { log emerg "*** ALERT! THE SYSTEM IS SHUTTING DOWN! ***" poll "shutdown" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "shutdown" sleep 2 exec "/sbin/halt &" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" sleep 1000 # let us wait peacefully } From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 09:26:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA22098 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA22077; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA27713; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:39:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: John-Mark Gurney cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd and the login option In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > well... could you inform us to what version of FreeBSD your running? (and > ident of /usr/sbin/pppd would be nice too...) I'm running pppd with the > login option (plus a few local hacks) and it's running fine... I never > have seen pppd seg fault there.... of course that's because I haven't seen > it seg fault :)... It's kernel pppd 2.1 pl2 and FreeBSD 2.1.0 using gcc 2.6.3 > plus it's also very hard for your users to change there password :) > ttyl.. It's still in consideration, but I wouldn't want to give them a login shell. I would prefer to use a secured web page for them to change their passwords. Len. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 10:51:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA25612 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.kconline.com (ns.kconline.com [207.51.167.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA25607 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (rif@localhost) by ns.kconline.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21458 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:51:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:51:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Riffle To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: MS Exchange client Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a client who has purchased the Microsoft Exchange server with the Internet Mail Connector add-on for his NT box. He is wanting to use this as a gateway for his domains email. Instead of having the IMC use uucp, Microsoft decided to have it use straight SMTP for everything, so I am hoping someone can shed some light on to how to configure what I need to on my end to make this work. Here is what the MS FAQ says they need from the ISP: "Your service provider must configure their SMTP host to act as a relay host for your domain. That means they must configure a DNS MX record that instructs all hosts to connect to their server to send mail to your domain. Their host must be configured to hold mail for your domain until you system dials in to retrieve it. Typically, your system will have to issue a command to their server when it connects to trigger it to deliver any mail it has queued." The MX record is no problem, I have already configured that so mail will be delivered to my machine. However, the "relay" part is where I do not know what to do. When mail comes in, it will try to deliver it to local users, and if not bounce it. Appearently, I need to mail coming in for that domain to enter into my mailque and wait for them to call to pick it up. They would issue a rsh ns.kconline.com "/usr/sbin/sendmail -qRtheirdomain.com" to send the mail to their machine. Obviously that suggests then their domain will have some sort of static IP which when they are connected the mail would be able to be delivered. So, the problem lies in having my box accept the mail for their domain and hold it in the queue until it is deliverable. Anyone had success on setting something like this up? Thanks! Jim Riffle From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 11:19:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA26769 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.i1.net (root@mail1.i1.net [205.216.202.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA26764 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from term_az.kdginc.com ([207.230.59.10]) by mail1.i1.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA14295 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:18:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:18:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970110132053.22d768a0@i1.net> X-Sender: kdg@i1.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Kuhlmann Design Group, Inc - MH" <66.Progress.Parkway.Maryland.Heights@mail1.i1.net>, MO.63043@mail1.i1.net Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 19:48:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24581 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA24572 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id TAA17081; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20750; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:48:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701110348.TAA20750@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jim Riffle cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange client In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 10 Jan 97 13:51:22 -0500. Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:48:25 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have a client who has purchased the Microsoft Exchange server with the >Internet Mail Connector add-on for his NT box. He is wanting to use this >as a gateway for his domains email. Instead of having the IMC use uucp, >Microsoft decided to have it use straight SMTP for everything, so I am I'm not sure why you say "Instead of having the IMC use uucp"... It IS an SMTP gateway, why would it do UUCP? >The MX record is no problem, I have already configured that so mail will >be delivered to my machine. However, the "relay" part is where I do not >know what to do. When mail comes in, it will try to deliver it to local >users, and if not bounce it. Appearently, I need to mail coming in for >that domain to enter into my mailque and wait for them to call to pick it >up. You may want to check into the DNS (and maybe Sendmail) books form O' Reilly. See http://www.ora.com/. >They would issue a rsh ns.kconline.com "/usr/sbin/sendmail >-qRtheirdomain.com" to send the mail to their machine. Obviously that >suggests then their domain will have some sort of static IP which when >they are connected the mail would be able to be delivered. > >So, the problem lies in having my box accept the mail for their domain and >hold it in the queue until it is deliverable. See Sendmail book, above. >Anyone had success on setting something like this up? People have done things like this, yes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 20:50:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA27011 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from wr.com.au (wr.com.au [203.12.42.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA27006 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup80.wr.com.au by wr.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4-1.0) id AA28334; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 15:53:15 +1100 Message-Id: <9701110453.AA28334@wr.com.au> To: rif@ns.kconline.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange client From: Shigetoh Howard Kumagai In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:51:22 -0500 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.54 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 15:48:08 +1100 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, This is Shigetoh Kumagai. I configure and maintain Exchange as a part of my day job for our customers. By the way, I think this mailing list is for FreeBSD _and_ ISP related matters. Not for Exchange... From: Jim Riffle Subject: MS Exchange client Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:51:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: rif> rif> I have a client who has purchased the Microsoft Exchange server with the rif> Internet Mail Connector add-on for his NT box. He is wanting to use this rif> as a gateway for his domains email. Instead of having the IMC use uucp, rif> Microsoft decided to have it use straight SMTP for everything, so I am rif> hoping someone can shed some light on to how to configure what I need to rif> on my end to make this work. Here is what the MS FAQ says they need from rif> the ISP: rif> "Your service provider must configure their SMTP host to act as a relay rif> host for your domain. That means they must configure a DNS MX record that rif> instructs all hosts to connect to their server to send mail to your rif> domain. Their host must be configured to hold mail for your domain until rif> you system dials in to retrieve it. Typically, your system will have to rif> issue a command to their server when it connects to trigger it to deliver rif> any mail it has queued." What you shoud get is Service Pack 2 for Exchange 4.0 at least. This makes configuration a litte easier. Are you going to connect you customer permanent or semi-permanent? This will also make some difference. rif> rif> The MX record is no problem, I have already configured that so mail will rif> be delivered to my machine. However, the "relay" part is where I do not rif> know what to do. When mail comes in, it will try to deliver it to local rif> users, and if not bounce it. Appearently, I need to mail coming in for rif> that domain to enter into my mailque and wait for them to call to pick it rif> up. There are a couple of tricks you need to know to makes things work in IMC with Exchange. It's not that difficult to figure out if you RTFM. rif> They would issue a rsh ns.kconline.com "/usr/sbin/sendmail rif> -qRtheirdomain.com" to send the mail to their machine. Obviously that rif> suggests then their domain will have some sort of static IP which when rif> they are connected the mail would be able to be delivered. rif> rif> So, the problem lies in having my box accept the mail for their domain and rif> hold it in the queue until it is deliverable. See Sendmail book and DNS book(For detail, see http://www.ora.com) Shigetoh Howard Kumagai -------------------------> Sailing OZ "Exile" broke long-standing Sydney-Hobart race recard in 1996!! Home: howard@wr.com.au Work: shigetoh@intercad.com.au(English text only) http://www.intercad.com.au/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 10 21:34:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA29259 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.kconline.com (ns.kconline.com [207.51.167.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA29243 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rif.kconline.com (rif.kconline.com [207.51.167.252]) by ns.kconline.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA29259; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:34:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:34:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Riffle X-Sender: rif@rif.kconline.com To: Shigetoh Howard Kumagai cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange client In-Reply-To: <9701110453.AA28334@wr.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Shigetoh Howard Kumagai wrote: > Hi, > This is Shigetoh Kumagai. I configure and maintain > Exchange as a part of my day job for our customers. > > By the way, I think this mailing list is for FreeBSD _and_ ISP related matters. > Not for Exchange... I must have really mistated what I was tring to say in my origional post. This is a FreeBSD ISP issue. I am the unix admin for an ISP, in which all our our servers use FBSD.. What I was tring to ask in my question was how to configure sendmail on my end so when he connects, the FBSD server has the stuff waiting in the sendmail que for it to be sent to his machine. I appoligize for not phrazing the question clearly :) > What you shoud get is Service Pack 2 for Exchange 4.0 at least. > This makes configuration a litte easier. I will let him know of that, thanks for the tip! > > Are you going to connect you customer permanent or semi-permanent? > This will also make some difference. He is planning on having it call our servers to pick up the mail once an hour or so. > rif> So, the problem lies in having my box accept the mail for their domain and > rif> hold it in the queue until it is deliverable. > > See Sendmail book and DNS book(For detail, see http://www.ora.com) Thank you for the suggestion, I just may have to break down and actually get that book sometime. I bet that would have made setting up UUCP a lot eaiser when I got that one going. The weird thing which I just don't understand on how this should work is if I give a MX record for say foo.com so that mail is handled by 207.51.167.3, and then on 207.51.167.3, put in a CW line so that it will accept mail for the domain, how in the world is it ever going to get to the client who dials up saying they are foo.com. foo.com is already set to have 207.51.167.3 handle its mail, so when sendmail processes its que, it would seem that it would try to send the mail right back to itself. Is this a simple issue of having 2 MX records, having their machine having a higher priority? One thing that I did try which almost worked was gave say foo.com a MX record to be handled by 207.51.167.3, then I had 207.51.167.3 convert the domain foo.com to test.foo.com which had a MX record with their static IP in it. It did accept the mail for foo.com then, converted it to test.foo.com, and stayed in the mailq for 30 minutes. When the que flushed, it bounced the message back saying the host points back to itself. I figured that was a klude even if it did work. I am sure their is a sendmail option out there which is probablly really simple (Hence some of everybodys "by the book" solutions). Thank you all for your time, Jim Riffle -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMtcmZ3JZxNZEL2YhAQEFgQMAl62lPii9gzEEpqK/SzjSAx/IQx95gQxQ P3gh/hN16hfCSkKNStgOpk2RUpgz/pZceCgNckS06WQblhdvL5yAvACA6UqbklqV XpJoDJvIyw1GN+68ClRVPrLXYd2mZNf7 =R2LR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 11 02:04:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA08777 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 02:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (root@birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA08764 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 02:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA23045; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:02:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:02:14 +0100 (MET) From: BSD Mailinglisten-User To: Jim Riffle cc: Shigetoh Howard Kumagai , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Jim Riffle wrote: > The weird thing which I just don't understand on how this should work is > if I give a MX record for say foo.com so that mail is handled by > 207.51.167.3, and then on 207.51.167.3, put in a CW line so that it will > accept mail for the domain, how in the world is it ever going to get to > the client who dials up saying they are foo.com. foo.com is already set > to have 207.51.167.3 handle its mail, so when sendmail processes its que, > it would seem that it would try to send the mail right back to itself. > Is this a simple issue of having 2 MX records, having their machine having > a higher priority? You can always use the "mailertable" feature and put something like .foo.bar smtp:smtpgateway.foo.bar in your mailertable. Then sendmail will send all mail to .foo.bar via smtp to smtpgateway.foo.bar. The sticky part is the triggering of outgoing mail by the exchange server... smtp isn't really made for BS like that (IMHO typical Microsoft behaviour... raping standards they didn't invent...). I don't know if there is a canonical solution for this. At work (the powers to be decreed that we _have_ to use exchange for smtp-mail) I solved this by using a small FBSD mailhandler. It gets mail from our ISP by uucp and send it by LAN to the exchange server by smtp... Martin | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 11 09:17:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA24514 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 09:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA24507 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 09:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01785; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 09:15:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 09:15:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Jim Riffle , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MS Exchange client In-Reply-To: <199701110348.TAA20750@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > I'm not sure why you say "Instead of having the IMC use uucp"... It > IS an SMTP gateway, why would it do UUCP? Because Microsoft has historically favored UUCP over SMTP, and tended to hide UUCP behind the scenes on many of their mail gateway products. Which I guess at is at least better than WP's 3.X gateway, that between two PO's would only transfer X messages per call, and if you had X+1 to transfer, required two calls. Oh, and a call to transfer 1 message lasted the same length as a call to transfer X messages. I've always been puzzled by the PC Industry's insistence on reinventing the wheel rather than borrowing mature unix/mainframe technology. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 11 18:51:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26518 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 18:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA26513 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 18:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA23491; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 18:50:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701120250.SAA23491@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Steve Reid cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious security bug in wu-ftpd v2.4 (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:10:55 PST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 18:50:20 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Since David Greenman's patch was posted here, I figure this should be >posted here as well... > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:02:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Wietse Venema >Reply-To: best-of-security@suburbia.net >To: best-of-security@suburbia.net >Cc: wu-ftpd-bugs@academ.com, best-of-security@suburbia.net >Subject: BoS: serious security bug in wu-ftpd v2.4 >Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:44:21 +1100 (EST) >Resent-From: best-of-security@suburbia.net > >Two brief comments on the patches that were suggested sofar. > >- The patch proposed by David Greenman (clear the transflag variable >in function dologout()) makes the window of opportunity much smaller, >but does not close it. The hole still exists. It's just smaller. I disagree with Wietse's assertion that my patch is insufficient and I don't think that all of the extra signal blocking code is necessary. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project