From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 19 06:34:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA03318 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 06:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule1.mindspring.com (mule1.mindspring.com [204.180.128.167]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA03313 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 06:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-168-121-26-150.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-26-150.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.26.150]) by mule1.mindspring.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA06754; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:33:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970119143218.0084f2cc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: isdn128@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:32:18 -0500 To: linuxisp@jeffnet.org, iap@vma.cc.nd.edu, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: UsefulWare Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe -- UsefulWare Inc. Software Solutions for ISP's Worldwide, plus Corporate and School Intranets. Check out http://www.usefulware.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 20 10:43:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA17090 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17085 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparrowhawk (Sheridan.infowest.com [204.17.177.110]) by infowest.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA29739 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:43:43 -0701 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970120114328.01b31e20@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:43:30 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: SURVEY: Xylogics (Bay Networks) erpcd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk PURPOSE: The purpose of this survey is to see if enough Xylogics (Bay Networks) erpcd users exist using FreeBSD to encourage Xylogics to officially support FreeBSD. Please respond if you currently run erpcd on a FreeBSD platform. If you are NOT currently running erpcd on a FreeBSD platform but WOULD run erpcd on a FreeBSD platform if Xylogics officially supported FreeBSD in more than just a single outdated version, please respond as well. DEADLINE: Thursday, Jan. 24 1997 -- I would like to finish this survey quickly, so please respond as soon as possible. I will create a survey results summary and put it online at http://www.infowest.com/erpcd-survey.html on Friday, Jan. 25. SURVEY: * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a FreeBSD platform? (If yes, what version of FreeBSD? 2.0.5R, 2.1R, 2.1.5R, 2.1.6R, 2.1.6-STABLE, 2.2-BETA, or some other version or intermediate version?) * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a BSDI BSD/OS platform? (If yes, what version of BSD/OS?) * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a Linux platform? (If yes, what version?) * Would you or your organization run erpcd on a FreeBSD platform IF Xylogics officially supported FreeBSD beyond a single outdated FreeBSD version (2.0.5R)? * May I use your name, or your organization's name with a contact e-mail address when I contact Xylogics with the results of this informal survey in an effort to encourage them to support FreeBSD? Please specify what name, organization name, and/or e-mail address that I may use. * Please include any other related comments here that you would like included with any message I send to Xylogics. * May I use your contact information and comments on the web page summary? END OF SURVEY That's all! Thank you for your time and cooperation. I hope there is enough interest in FreeBSD to help Xylogics support it. I currently run erpcd on a FreeBSD 2.1.6-STABLE platform, and I've had trouble with their customer support because I'm not running on an officially supported platform, even though I can run the Xylogics supplied 2.0.5R binary or the BSD/OS binary on the same FreeBSD box. The difficulties with Xylogics customer support are what prompted me to do this survey. Again, thanks for your participation. Sincerely, Aaron Gifford InfoWest Networking --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- Aaron D. Gifford InfoWest, 1845 W. Sunset Blvd, St. George, UT 84770 InfoWest Networking Phone: (801) 674-0165 FAX: (801) 673-9734 Visit InfoWest at: "http://www.infowest.com/" ICBM: 37.08N, 113.58W PGP Pub. Key at http://www.infowest.com/a/agifford/ "Southern Utah's Finest Network Connection" --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 20 11:01:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA18278 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA18256 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12665; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Christian Hochhold cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcp_wrappers In-Reply-To: <199701180109.VAA06835@eternal.dusk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just re-read the man page for tcpd, hosts_access (start here), hosts_options, tcpdcheck, and tcpdmatch... In hosts_access there are examples of the format used and some clever implementations. An example for what you'd like to do would be: in hosts.deny: ALL: ALL in hosts.allow: ALL: .newark.nj.pub-ip.psi.net This would allow anyone dialing into PSI's Newark POP to access ALL wrapped services and disallow anyone else. Note the use of "." instead of "*". Charles On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Christian Hochhold wrote: > Evenin' > > I have tcp wrappers running on my shell machine, with twist > so it displayes a nice message to any individual trying to > connect who is not in the hosts.allow file. > I've just found that hosts.allow doesn't like wildcards, as > one of my clients is part of another major ISP, and instead > of at least being able to just allow access to the pop where > he dials into, I now have to allow ALL the ISP's POP's to > connect. > Obivously this is a risk, in order to allow one person to > telnet in, I have to allow the whole nation to telnet in > as well. > > I've tried (as examples) > > *@pop-prov*.isp.name > pop*.isp.name > pop-prov.isp.name > > to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions / recommendations > as to what one can do about this? > > Thank You in advance, > > Christian > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 20 20:37:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA26054 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA26046 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.26] (ppp-207-104-16-26.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.26]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA21766; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:35:38 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:35:11 -0800 To: "Aaron D. Gifford" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: SURVEY: Xylogics (Bay Networks) erpcd Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >SURVEY: > > * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a FreeBSD >platform? (If yes, what version of FreeBSD? 2.0.5R, 2.1R, 2.1.5R, 2.1.6R, >2.1.6-STABLE, 2.2-BETA, or some other version or intermediate version?) 2.1.6R > * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a BSDI BSD/OS >platform? (If yes, what version of BSD/OS?) No > * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a Linux >platform? (If yes, what version?) No > * Would you or your organization run erpcd on a FreeBSD platform IF >Xylogics officially supported FreeBSD beyond a single outdated FreeBSD >version (2.0.5R)? Yes > * May I use your name, or your organization's name with a contact e-mail >address when I contact Xylogics with the results of this informal survey in >an effort to encourage them to support FreeBSD? Please specify what name, >organization name, and/or e-mail address that I may use. Yes > * Please include any other related comments here that you would like >included with any message I send to Xylogics. The quicker you support FreeBSD, the better. > * May I use your contact information and comments on the web page summary? Yes Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 20 21:45:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA28530 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tgn2.tgn.net (tgn.net [205.241.85.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA28522 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:45:39 -0800 (PST) From: butlergr@tgn.net Received: from bccs ([205.241.85.118]) by tgn2.tgn.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA06486 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:47:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199701210547.XAA06486@tgn2.tgn.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:18:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: unsubscribe Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 21 15:55:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA23453 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from picspc01.pics.com (tpr@picspc01.pics.com [192.135.189.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA23446 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tpr@localhost) by picspc01.pics.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA13567; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:54:22 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Rossi Message-Id: <199701212354.SAA13567@picspc01.pics.com> Subject: Scripts for V domains? To: inet-access@earth.com Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:54:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am looking for some scripts to manage the addition of virtual domains. At our site (and probaly your too) we have to create the internic template, update the name servers, network config, hosts table, httpd config. etc. Does anyone have some shell scripts to automate this? Thanks Terry -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Terry Rossi PICS 609/702-3900 Voice WWW: http://www.pics.com 609/702-3915 FAX tpr@pics.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 21 18:39:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA05390 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:39:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA05382 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.137] (ppp-207-104-16-137.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.137]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13300; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:39:35 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:39:12 -0800 To: Terry Rossi From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: Scripts for V domains? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 6:54 PM 1/21/97, Terry Rossi wrote: >Hi, > >I am looking for some scripts to manage the addition of virtual >domains. At our site (and probaly your too) we have to create >the internic template, update the name servers, network config, >hosts table, httpd config. etc. Does anyone have some shell >scripts to automate this? > If you want, I work for Powerware Intl (www.powerwareintl.com) and we are doing custumized CGI/Perl hosting/scripting, so you could contract us to create a automatic update script or a web interface for the script. If your interested, I can fill you in on the prices. Thanks Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 21 23:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20193 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20174; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id RAA14212; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:52:09 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199701220722.RAA14212@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Xylogics annex (erpcd) support on FreeBSD To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:52:08 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This was forwarded to me; I think it's worthwhile so I'm passing it on. If you'd like to see FreeBSD supported by Xylogics, please take a few seconds to fill this in and send it off. ----- Forwarded message from Matthew Baker ----- >From matt@portal.net.au Wed Jan 22 17:42:30 1997 Message-Id: <199701220715.RAA01062@junior.portal.net.au> Subject: FreeBSD stuff Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 17:48:32 +1100 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Matthew Baker To: "Mike Smith" Mike, Just read the following in comp.dcom.servers, just wondering if you have seen it go past in the FreeBSD mailing lists, and if you think it's worthwhile posting to them to get more people to respond to it. >PURPOSE: > >The purpose of this survey is to see if enough Xylogics (Bay Networks) >erpcd users exist using FreeBSD to encourage Xylogics to officially >support FreeBSD. Please respond if you currently run erpcd on a FreeBSD >platform. If you are NOT currently running erpcd on a FreeBSD platform >but WOULD run erpcd on a FreeBSD platform if Xylogics officially >supported FreeBSD in more than just a single outdated version, please >respond as well. > >DEADLINE: > >Thursday, Jan. 24 1997 -- I would like to finish this survey quickly, so >please respond as soon as possible. I will create a survey results >summary and put it online at http://www.infowest.com/erpcd-survey.html >on Friday, Jan. 25. > >SURVEY: > > * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a FreeBSD >platform? (If yes, what version of FreeBSD? 2.0.5R, 2.1R, 2.1.5R, >2.1.6R, 2.1.6-STABLE, 2.2-BETA, or some other version or intermediate >version?) > > * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a BSDI >BSD/OS platform? (If yes, what version of BSD/OS?) > > * Do you or does your organization currently run erpcd on a Linux >platform? (If yes, what version?) > > * Would you or your organization run erpcd on a FreeBSD platform IF >Xylogics officially supported FreeBSD beyond a single outdated FreeBSD >version (2.0.5R)? > > * May I use your name, or your organization's name with a contact >e-mail address when I contact Xylogics with the results of this informal >survey in an effort to encourage them to support FreeBSD? Please >specify what name, organization name, and/or e-mail address that I may >use. > > * Please include any other related comments here that you would like >included with any message I send to Xylogics. > > * May I use your contact information and comments on the web page >summary? > >END OF SURVEY PLEASE RESPOND VIA E-MAIL TO: agifford@infowest.com That's all! Thank you for your time and cooperation. I hope there is enough interest in FreeBSD to help Xylogics support it. I currently run erpcd on a FreeBSD 2.1.6-STABLE platform, and I've had trouble with their customer support because I'm not running on an officially supported platform, even though I can run the Xylogics supplied 2.0.5R binary or the BSD/OS binary on the same FreeBSD box. The difficulties with Xylogics customer support are what prompted me to do this survey. Again, thanks for your participation. Sincerely, Aaron Gifford InfoWest Networking ---------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Baker Phone: +61-8-211-8331 matt@portal.net.au Fax: +61-8-211-8331 portal.net Internet Service Provider Mobile: +61-15-718-527 Adelaide, South Australia ----- End of forwarded message from Matthew Baker ----- -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 02:27:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA27160 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 02:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepo.prosa.dk ([193.89.187.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27155 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 02:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.4/prosa-1.1) id LAA22487; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:28:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:28:18 +0100 From: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Serial cards X-Mailer: Mutt 0.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A i386 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I need to run 4 - 8 ports on a dialup server that will be running both ISDN (64Kbps) and conventional analog devices (28.8). Since some ISDNs might be bundling at 128k, I need the card to be able to drive all those ports at 115200 with no problem. I saw the Cyclades 8Zo was available, a PCI card with RISC proc. and low overhead, but: - it is pricy (695$), though undoubtedly a good product - is its 460 Kbps max speed supported in FreeBSD ? - is it supported at _all_ in FreeBSD ? Any other suggestions more than welcome. -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@.prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 06:20:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA06359 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.lancite.com (ns.lancite.com [205.236.254.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA06346 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmaffei.lancite.com ([205.236.254.238]) by ns.lancite.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28749 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by dmaffei.lancite.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC0844.50D70B40@dmaffei.lancite.com>; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC0844.50D70B40@dmaffei.lancite.com> From: Domenico Maffei To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:11:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe Domenico Maffei, eMail: dmaffei@lancite.com Tel: (514) 737-3898 Fax:(514) 737-5707 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 07:33:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09196 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from europa.arisia.net (europa.arisia.net [207.100.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09191 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mars ([207.100.94.12]) by europa.arisia.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02296 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:34:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970122153550.00e64624@207.100.94.5> X-Sender: msv@207.100.94.5 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:35:50 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: "Mark S. Velasquez" Subject: Dump, FreeBSD, and Solaris Interoperability Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm currently running a mixed network of systems running Solaris 2.5.1 x86 and FreeBSD 2.1.5. However, I find that dump/ufsdump are incompatible(not really suprised). Has anyone had any success with sharing a single dumphost in a heterogeneous environment ? I briefly looked at Amanda(was just doing remote dumps to a single dumphost when I has all FreeBSD), but it appears to use dump as the backup command. Anyone have any suggestions for backing up my systems(other than a separate tape device/dumphost for each OS) ? TIA Mark From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 08:00:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10408 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:00:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts.shopnet.com ([208.131.136.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10397 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id JAA03255; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:01:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:01:21 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: telnet KEEPALIVE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a problem with telnet sessions lingering after loss of connection by a dialup user. I have looked in the archives and I know that telnet is setup to verify connections. Somewhere in the archives it mentioned that the default keepalive was 2 hours, I've looked everywhere and haven't been able to find where you alter the keepalive value. tia diana Diana Eichert VP Technical Services Auto Systems, Inc. deichert@wrench.com Tele: 505/239-2933 FAX: 505/837-2571 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 09:10:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14345 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14340; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA22501; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:26:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:26:20 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 56K vs X2? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Seeing as how everyone wants to connect at faster and faster speeds (for less and less money, ;{, It would very probably be a good idea to buy equipment that's upgradeable. So far as I know, there's (or will be) two version of 56K technology. Here's a blurp from a Livingston salesperson: "We have announced an agreement with Lucent Technology on the 56k modem technology. A copy of the press release is available on our Web page. Lucent and Rockwell will be compatible. Between the two of them, they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with 75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be compatible with other 56k technologies, so their 56k will only work with the other 20-25% of themodems which are also USR. ....." Anybody care to comment on the percentages? I was also wondering if perhaps USR may be sheer power of brand-name identity and loyalty, end up over the long run as the winner? Cheers. Len From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 09:20:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14863 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14850 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25916; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:19:27 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:19:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199701221719.KAA25916@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: "Mark S. Velasquez" Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dump, FreeBSD, and Solaris Interoperability In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970122153550.00e64624@207.100.94.5> References: <2.2.32.19970122153550.00e64624@207.100.94.5> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm currently running a mixed network of systems running Solaris 2.5.1 x86 > and FreeBSD 2.1.5. However, I find that dump/ufsdump are incompatible(not > really suprised). Has anyone had any success with sharing a single dumphost > in a heterogeneous environment ? Umm, it works fine for me using a Solaris 2.5 box and a FreeBSD 2.1.6.1 box. Here is the rdump script from my FreeBSD box. ~root/bin/rdump0 /sbin/rdump 0usf 138600 rocky:/dev/rmt/0ubn / /sbin/rdump 0usf 138600 rocky:/dev/rmt/0ubn /var /sbin/rdump 0usf 138600 rocky:/dev/rmt/0ub /usr Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 11:32:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22001 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21933; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from peteomni (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA10073; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:31:00 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:31:00 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199701221931.VAA10073@silver.sms.fi> X-Sender: pete@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Petri Helenius Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:26 22.1.1997 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: >they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with >75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be >compatible with other 56k technologies, so their 56k will only work with >the other 20-25% of themodems which are also USR. ....." > USR runs their modems off DSP's which are loaded with microcode at "boot time". That means that if they decide to steer their direction they can release software to make the change. This is not the case with all modems out there. Pete From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 12:24:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24927 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24922; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA04971; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:24:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA23864; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:20:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > I was also wondering if perhaps USR may be sheer power of brand-name > identity and loyalty, end up over the long run as the winner? The problem here is that this power of the USR brand is almost totally within the consumer market but the USR modems will not work unless the ISP market buys USR TotalControl servers. So far, large parts of the ISP market are quite happy with Livingston, Ascend, Cisco and Bay/Xyplex terminal servers and all those companies are going with the Lucent/Rockwell standard. Since the consumer generally phones their ISP to ask when X2 compatibility will be available the ISP has an opprtunity to erode USR's branding power by telling the customer one or more of the following: 1. No, we will not support USR X2. 2. We will support the Lucent/Rockwell K56plus standard. 3. USR X2 modems won't work with our service but if you buy one of this long list of brands then 56K will work. 4. If you buy USR X2 modems then you will be locked in to your ISP because you won't be able to switch to another non-USR ISP without buying a new 56K modem. 5. In real world tests, 56K modems rarely work that fast. 6. We will/may be charging more for 56K modem users. This is because we have to buy special terminal servers in order to support 56K. 7. Many people's phone lines will not support 56K. If you cannot get a 33.6k connect today, likely it won't work. 8. If ISDN is not available in your area then it is unlikely that your phone lines will support 56K. 9. 56K technology is a new technology and there will likely be bugs. It is wiser to wait until this shakes out before buying 56K technology and that is what we are going to do. 10. It is likely that eventually the two incompatible standards will be merged but that will also cause some upheaval and possibly upgrade costs. We prefer to wait until there is a single unified standard before buying new terminal servers. A number of ISP's have prepared web pages and handout sheets to explain to their customers why they should not buy USR X2 modems. You might want to do the same thing. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 14:26:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01533 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01514; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id OAA23604; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA853971662; Wed, 22 Jan 97 14:07:25 PST Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 14:07:25 PST Message-Id: <9700228539.AA853971662@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 15:23:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04590 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.internode.net (mail.internode.net [198.161.228.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04562; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.161.228.107] by relay.internode.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id AD628910120; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:06:10 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970122162406.0a0f18ea@internode.net> X-Sender: drussell@internode.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Doug Russell Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:26 AM 1/22/97 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: >"We have announced an agreement with Lucent Technology on the 56k >modem technology. A copy of the press release is available on our Web >page. Lucent and Rockwell will be compatible. Between the two of them, >they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with >75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be That isn't true. Even if they have that much of the market, very few (if any) of the modems with those chipsets out there are upgradeable to 56K. Only new modems sold will be able to use the higher speeds. >compatible with other 56k technologies, so their 56k will only work with >the other 20-25% of themodems which are also USR. ....." But, all Courier V.Everything modems ever built and a good chunk of the Sportster modems are upgradeable via a simple software upgrade. Older sportster models, I believe, may require an EPROM swap or something to update the firmware. I own several Courier series modems, and have upgraded them with various versions of the software over the past 5 years or so (I have even older models as well, but they aren't upgradeable :-)) and the whole idea works very slick. I'd also like to point out that there was at least one company that announced that it would be licencing X2 from USR, I can't remember who it was, Cirrus Logic perhaps.... It is on USR's X2 web page, however. So it isn't going to be JUST USR. It is also worth noting that long before V.32 appeared on the scene, USR was transferring data at 9600 (and later 14.4Kbps) with a proprietary protocol called HST, and it was quite popular even though only USR HST modems supported it. Later...... From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 15:42:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06199 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06164; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id NAA00107; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:41:26 -1000 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:41:26 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199701222341.NAA00107@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com "56K vs X2?" (Jan 22, 2:07pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } } Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. } Avoid them all and get a cable-modem connection -- forget that slow stuff ... :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 15:48:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06806 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06792; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23418; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:04:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: Doug Russell cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970122162406.0a0f18ea@internode.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > At 09:26 AM 1/22/97 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: > That isn't true. Even if they have that much of the market, very few (if > any) of the modems with those chipsets out there are upgradeable to 56K. > Only new modems sold will be able to use the higher speeds. Which is a big worry over here :) I am trying to get confirmation from Livingston about their (new) portmaster3. > But, all Courier V.Everything modems ever built and a good chunk of the > Sportster modems are upgradeable via a simple software upgrade. Older > sportster models, I believe, may require an EPROM swap or something to > update the firmware. I have no doubts whatsoever about Couriers. Sadly, our budget can't fit them in. Perhaps you can suggest a warehouse that gives excellent pricing? > I'd also like to point out that there was at least one company that > announced that it would be licencing X2 from USR, I can't remember who it > was, Cirrus Logic perhaps.... It is on USR's X2 web page, however. So it > isn't going to be JUST USR. It is also worth noting that long before V.32 > appeared on the scene, USR was transferring data at 9600 (and later > 14.4Kbps) with a proprietary protocol called HST, and it was quite popular > even though only USR HST modems supported it. I think when I quoted that salesblurp from the Livingston rep, I should have included the last part, which basically said that USR will only license their X2 for modem manufacturers, and not manufacturers of products of the other end of the line - i.e. the Dialup Access Servers/Hubs/Concentrators(/whatever else vendors like to call them). So unless their policy changes, the PortMaster3s will not get X2 upgrades (but rather rockwell 56k instead). This poses some worry. Thanks for the feedback! Cheers. Len From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 16:05:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08903 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@207.denver-001.co.dial-access.att.net [207.147.16.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08866; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05610; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: <32E6A0B0.1A30EA70@w3page.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:20:16 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Foulk CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? References: <199701222341.NAA00107@pegasus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Foulk wrote: > > } > } Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. > } > > Avoid them all and get a cable-modem connection -- forget that > slow stuff ... :-) Avoid them all and go OC-12 fiber optic... ( Unless price is a factor, of course. ) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 16:33:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12223 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12218 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA17135; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA17983; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:33:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:33:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701230033.QAA17983@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dump, FreeBSD, and Solaris Interoperability References: <2.2.32.19970122153550.00e64624@207.100.94.5> <199701221719.KAA25916@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm currently running a mixed network of systems running Solaris 2.5.1 x86 > and FreeBSD 2.1.5. However, I find that dump/ufsdump are incompatible(not > really suprised). Has anyone had any success with sharing a single dumphost > in a heterogeneous environment ? Umm, it works fine for me using a Solaris 2.5 box and a FreeBSD 2.1.6.1 box. Works fine for me too. As amanda itself doesn't look inside the dump, the compatibility between the two formats isn't an issue. You DO need to tweak amandad for the Solaris hosts to run ufsdump, but this is pretty much a no-brainer. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 16:40:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12901 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12892; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09515; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:40:13 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26398; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:36:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:36:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970122162406.0a0f18ea@internode.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > >they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with > >75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be > > That isn't true. That's right. It should say they will be compatible with the manufacturers who currently sell 75-80% of modems. However some of the existing non-USR modems do have flash upgrade capabilities. > It is also worth noting that long before V.32 > appeared on the scene, USR was transferring data at 9600 (and later > 14.4Kbps) with a proprietary protocol called HST, and it was quite popular > even though only USR HST modems supported it. At the time another company called Telebit had a 9600 bps protocol called PEP that was totally incompatible with HST. It was also quite popular. But that was back when anybody could by two identical modems and they would interoperate. However, with 56K you can't do that. If both ends of the connection are running a USR 56K modem it will not be possible to get any faster than 33.6kbps. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 17:07:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15547 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15514; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vnDd8-0008yOC; Wed, 22 Jan 97 17:07 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? To: lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com (Leonard Chua) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:07:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Leonard Chua" at Jan 22, 97 04:04:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have no doubts whatsoever about Couriers. Sadly, our budget can't fit > them in. Perhaps you can suggest a warehouse that gives excellent pricing? I got mine for about $270 at www.isn.com; they also have USR I-modems for about $400, which not only do ISDN, but V.everything and soon to do X2 (including server-side) as well, according to USR's flyers and web page. > license their X2 for modem manufacturers, and not manufacturers of > products of the other end of the line ... > So unless their policy changes, ... unless their policy changes, I won't be supporting it. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 17:49:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18792 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwpros.com (root@nwpros.com [205.229.128.214]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18786 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by nwpros.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA04592; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:01:00 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:00:59 +0000 () From: "FreeBSD 2.2-BETA" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Virtual Domains - How? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do I go about setting up virtual domains. I have 2.2 Beta. Had the domains before upgrading, what do I need to do to get them back. Thanks From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 19:18:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22794 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22763; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07054; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: Richard Foulk cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <199701222341.NAA00107@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Richard Foulk wrote: > } > } Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. > } > > Avoid them all and get a cable-modem connection -- forget that > slow stuff ... :-) Fine for hooking up to the Cable Company, but I really don't see that as feasible for connecting to the office. Same for X2, and probably 56K,, Of course, this has 0 relevance to the existing topic, so I'll go away now. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 19:41:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23900 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23883; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA18801; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:02:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:02:16 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Alan Batie cc: Leonard Chua , drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one end (the server) to function. It's in the fine print, but all the standards require this. So if you're an ISP with a term server and stand-alone modems, be prepared to throw it all away in favor of this new, unproven technology. Has anyone yet to see a demo of this during a sales pitch?? Charles > I got mine for about $270 at www.isn.com; they also have USR I-modems for > about $400, which not only do ISDN, but V.everything and soon to do X2 > (including server-side) as well, according to USR's flyers and web page. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 20:09:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24839 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24819; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vnGT7-0008xjC; Wed, 22 Jan 97 20:08 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? To: spork@super-g.com (spork) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:08:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "spork" at Jan 22, 97 11:02:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of > the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one > end (the server) to function. That's why if I do it at all, I plan to do it as part of an ISDN upgrade, where I suspect I won't be able to avoid it anyhow. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 20:11:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24972 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24953; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.105.88.59] (ppp-207-105-88-59.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.105.88.59]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA06787; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:11:05 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:10:53 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 2:07 PM 1/22/97, Brett_Glass@infoworld.com wrote: >Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. And make sure that if you buy ISDN, you can do both voice and data, compression and channel bonding. I recomend any of the Ascend boxes, especially the Pipeline 75. Fine company and fine boxes. A steal at what they sell for. Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 20:11:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25007 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24997 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.105.88.59] (ppp-207-105-88-59.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.105.88.59]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA06859; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:11:18 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:05 -0800 To: "FreeBSD 2.2-BETA" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: Virtual Domains - How? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:00 PM 1/22/97, FreeBSD 2.2-BETA wrote: >How do I go about setting up virtual domains. I have 2.2 Beta. Had >the domains before upgrading, what do I need to do to get them back. > >Thanks Did you preserve all of your Apache config files? Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 20:13:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25108 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25103 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA18863 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:34:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:34:27 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: News server, 2.1.6.1 vs 2.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm about to start building a new news server, and I'm kind of in the dark about which version of FBSD to go with. We have about 5 machines running 2.1.6 now, and it's been very stable and predictable. But I'm a bit curious if any of the recent enhancements in 2.2 would make it worth the risk (how much of a risk?) for a bit more speed and some additional features. Hardware so far consists of: ASUS P55T2P4 w/133 Pentium 128M Adaptec 2940 Adaptec 3940 16 2G drives DEC DE500-XA 10/100 Ethernet card Any thoughts? Anyone else running 2.2 on a news server? Charles From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 21:49:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28951 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28946 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:49:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by mail.futuresouth.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA14460 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:49:09 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Tsai Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id XAA09623 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:49:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199701230549.XAA09623@shell.futuresouth.com> Subject: a policy question To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:49:08 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is not specific to BSD but since this is the only ISP list I am on I hope you guys won't mind the intrusion. What is your policy on advertising on your web space? If you sell a webpage to a newspaper, for example, do you allow them to use their web space for their own advertisers? Do you charge extra for something like this? There's obviously a conflict of interest here but we ran into this issue recently and I do not know what is the best way to handle it. Thanks, Tim From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 22:37:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01477 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01454 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03421; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:35:53 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199701230635.IAA03421@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: News server, 2.1.6.1 vs 2.2 In-Reply-To: from spork at "Jan 22, 97 11:34:27 pm" To: spork@super-g.com (spork) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:35:53 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL24 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm about to start building a new news server, and I'm kind of in the dark > about which version of FBSD to go with. We have about 5 machines running > 2.1.6 now, and it's been very stable and predictable. But I'm a bit > curious if any of the recent enhancements in 2.2 would make it worth the > risk (how much of a risk?) for a bit more speed and some additional > features. > > ... > > Any thoughts? Anyone else running 2.2 on a news server? > I'm running a news server on 3.0-CURRENT of November 14th, which is about the same as 2.2-ALPHA. I haven't had a panic yet..... touch wood. I am using INN 1.5.1 with it. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 22:45:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01837 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01830 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA08390; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:09:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:09:38 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Tim Tsai cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a policy question In-Reply-To: <199701230549.XAA09623@shell.futuresouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Tim Tsai wrote: > This is not specific to BSD but since this is the only ISP list I am > on I hope you guys won't mind the intrusion. > > What is your policy on advertising on your web space? If you sell a > webpage to a newspaper, for example, do you allow them to use their web > space for their own advertisers? Do you charge extra for something like > this? There's obviously a conflict of interest here but we ran into > this issue recently and I do not know what is the best way to handle it. I don't see it as a conflict of interest, but as a way of making sure that the customer has income to be able to pay the invoices I send. At least for smaller customers and organisations. Newspapers might be different, though. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 22:51:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02082 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.win.net (ns2.win.net [204.215.209.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02075 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from launchpad.win.net (uucp@localhost) by ns2.win.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA19768 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:36:50 -0500 Received: by win.net!launchpad; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:43:05 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v4.0c Message-ID: Reply-To: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:43:05 -0400 Subject: Radius 2.0 and FreeBSD. From: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was wondering who, if anyone, out there is running Radius 2.0 from Livingston. I downloaded the source from Livingston, but they said they don't support FreeBSD with it and I couldn't find any "official" FreeBSD port for it. With some changes to the Makefile and a couple of .c files for the BSDOS source I was able to build one that works just fine, but I am far from being an expert at this stuff. If anyone else has put together a working build I would like to see it so I could compare changes. If there is an official FreeBSD port, better still. Joe Mays From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 22:53:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02152 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.win.net (ns2.win.net [204.215.209.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02147 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from launchpad.win.net (uucp@localhost) by ns2.win.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA19920 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:37:09 -0500 Received: by win.net!launchpad; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:32:13 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v4.0c Message-ID: Reply-To: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:32:13 -0400 Subject: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) From: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I don't suppose some of you ISP folks would consider taking a walk on >the wild side with SGML and begin writing up a little "ISP's Guide to >FreeBSD", much as Paul Vixie has done for BSDI? Definitely. For many applications, a simple series of steps that would get a basic version of the application up and running would silence a lot of questions. For instance, it isn't necessary to describe every way an Apache server can be set up. If you give someone a simple document that says, "Follow these steps and you will have a basic Apache server running on your FreeBSD server," then 90% of the questions are answered and the reader can usually figure out a lot of the configuration options from there. The following documents would probably save a lot of redundant questions: Starting a basic web server. Starting a basic FTP server. Starting a basic popmail server. Starting a basic news server. Any others that people would like to see? Joe Mays From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 23:43:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04352 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04343 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id SAA08772; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:44:36 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:44:36 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Joe Mays - freebsd-isp cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Joe Mays - freebsd-isp wrote: > >I don't suppose some of you ISP folks would consider taking a walk on > >the wild side with SGML and begin writing up a little "ISP's Guide to > >FreeBSD", much as Paul Vixie has done for BSDI? > > The following documents would probably save a lot of redundant > questions: > > Starting a basic web server. > Starting a basic FTP server. > Starting a basic popmail server. > Starting a basic news server. > > Any others that people would like to see? poppassd How-to/why of subnetting Routing with routed and gated sendmail and virtual domains virtual web servers What might be really useful would be to put together a package which has all of the basic pieces set up to work more or less out of the box. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 00:07:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA05591 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (phi.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA05454; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13406; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:00:58 +0800 From: ywliu@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Message-Id: <9701230800.AA13406@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw> Subject: Why "ns_req: no root server " ? To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:00:57 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am running named on FreeBSD 2.1.6 for our own domain. From time to time the named just dies, and keeps issuing error messages : "named[xxx] : ns_req : no address for root server" After the name server is restarted, everthing is normal. What's this and how does this happen ? I have run named on 2.0.5 before and this never happened. --- Hoffmann Yen-Wei Liu (Taipei, Taiwan) "It seems like once people grow up, they have no idea what's cool." - Calvin said to Hobbes, Calvin and Hobbes. E-mail addr : (Personal) ywliu@tpts4.seed.net.tw (Business) ywliu@sinanet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 00:18:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06467 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06455; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24445; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:34:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:34:24 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: spork cc: Alan Batie , drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, spork wrote: > Howdy, Howdy. > One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of > the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one > end (the server) to function. It's in the fine print, but all the > standards require this. So if you're an ISP with a term server and > stand-alone modems, be prepared to throw it all away in favor of this new, > unproven technology. Has anyone yet to see a demo of this during a sales > pitch?? Now that is a very good point indeed. I think that throws the balance in favour of using T1 lines. :) Also, I'm probably wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere that there's 56K/X2 server and 56K/X2 client modems. Meaning that even the modem vendor says a particular modem is upgradeable to 56K/X2, it may not neccessarily work as a dialin 56K/X2 modem. Anyone care to dispute that. (I apologise in advance if I'm wrong. I'm pretty dead tired right now :) Cheers. Len From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 00:55:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08373 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (metriclient-9.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08351; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA17364; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:54:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: Leonard Chua cc: spork , Alan Batie , drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, spork wrote: > > Howdy, > Howdy. > > One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of > > the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one > > end (the server) to function. It's in the fine print, but all the > > standards require this. So if you're an ISP with a term server and > > stand-alone modems, be prepared to throw it all away in favor of this new, > > unproven technology. Has anyone yet to see a demo of this during a sales > > pitch?? > Now that is a very good point indeed. I think that throws the balance in > favour of using T1 lines. :) > Also, I'm probably wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere that there's > 56K/X2 server and 56K/X2 client modems. Meaning that even the modem > vendor says a particular modem is upgradeable to 56K/X2, it may not > neccessarily work as a dialin 56K/X2 modem. Anyone care to dispute that. > (I apologise in advance if I'm wrong. I'm pretty dead tired right now :) you are correct here... the ONLY way they are able to do 56k recieve on the dialin side is that the only analog part is from the dialer -> telco... the rest from telco to you is digital... basicly there isn't signal loss when you go from digital to analog... there is only loss when you go from analog to digital... ttyl... John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 01:24:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09905 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA09899; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA18129; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:24:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00975; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:21:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > Also, I'm probably wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere that there's > 56K/X2 server and 56K/X2 client modems. Meaning that even the modem > vendor says a particular modem is upgradeable to 56K/X2, it may not > neccessarily work as a dialin 56K/X2 modem. Whether you are talking about X2 or K56plus flavors of 56K modem they come in two types, one for the server end that answers calls and one for the client end to originate calls. You cannot hook two client 56K modems together and get anything faster than v.34+ out of them. In fact, in some recent field trials USR had difficulty getting faster than 53K out of their X2 modems. This is not a silver bullet technology. This is living on the bleeding edge; that's the thin edge of the razor's wedge. Everything has to be perfect or it just won't work. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 01:38:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA10991 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10967; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA09216; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:37:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:37:37 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Yen-Wei Liu cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why "ns_req: no root server " ? In-Reply-To: <9701230800.AA13406@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Yen-Wei Liu wrote: > I am running named on FreeBSD 2.1.6 for our own domain. From time > to time the named just dies, and keeps issuing error messages : > > "named[xxx] : ns_req : no address for root server" > > After the name server is restarted, everthing is normal. > > What's this and how does this happen ? I have run named on 2.0.5 > before and this never happened. What are the expiry values for the root servers in root.cache Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 02:24:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA12687 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA12681 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06627; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:21:41 GMT Message-ID: <32E73BB5.7566F4CF@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:21:41 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leonard Chua CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Leonard Chua wrote: > > Seeing as how everyone wants to connect at faster and faster speeds (for > less and less money, ;{, It would very probably be a good idea to buy > equipment that's upgradeable. So far as I know, there's (or will be) two > version of 56K technology. Here's a blurp from a Livingston salesperson: > > "We have announced an agreement with Lucent Technology on the 56k > modem technology. A copy of the press release is available on our Web > page. Lucent and Rockwell will be compatible. Between the two of them, > they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with > 75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be > compatible with other 56k technologies, so their 56k will only work with > the other 20-25% of themodems which are also USR. ....." > > Anybody care to comment on the percentages? > I was also wondering if perhaps USR may be sheer power of brand-name > identity and loyalty, end up over the long run as the winner? I've posted a message to my users saying that if they buy a USR 56K modem then they won't be able to use it with our service because we won't be buying USR kit. If every ISP did the same USR would realise pretty sharpish that they can't jerk off like this. regards damian -- Wanted - new or slightly used interesting and witty sig. Must be in reasonable condition with not too much wear. Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 02:28:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA12812 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhiannon.clari.net.au (dns1.clari.net.au [203.27.85.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA12807 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.clari.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA13993; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:07 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199701231034.VAA13993@rhiannon.clari.net.au> To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Basic security mechanisms for accounting proxies configuring your first name server with a worked example and perhaps a little script that sets up your own domain domain name policies and politics (ie who will/wont allow what and how best to get it) Conservtion of IPs hardware recommendations mpd - yes, some are more general than FreeBSD itself but why not kickstart people? We need an FTP archive for "cute little scripts etc" for ISPs... (or a subdirectory on ftp.freebsd.org) Peter From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 03:56:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15919 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from Janeway.tm.net.my (janeway.tm.net.mt [202.188.0.155]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15914 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Janeway (Janeway [202.188.0.155]) by Janeway.tm.net.my (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA02995; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:54:32 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:54:09 +0800 (SGT) From: Swee-Chuan Khoo X-Sender: sckhoo@Janeway To: John Hay cc: spork , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News server, 2.1.6.1 vs 2.2 In-Reply-To: <199701230635.IAA03421@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm running a news server on 3.0-CURRENT of November 14th, which is about > the same as 2.2-ALPHA. I haven't had a panic yet..... touch wood. I am > using INN 1.5.1 with it. how many concurrent user can be online? how many the memory? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 04:10:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA16315 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from Janeway.tm.net.my (janeway.tm.net.mt [202.188.0.155]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16309 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from Janeway (Janeway [202.188.0.155]) by Janeway.tm.net.my (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA03507; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:56:18 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:56:18 +0800 (SGT) From: Swee-Chuan Khoo X-Sender: sckhoo@Janeway To: Joe Mays - freebsd-isp cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Starting a basic web server. > Starting a basic FTP server. > Starting a basic popmail server. > Starting a basic news server. Starting a basic news server Starying a basic name server From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 04:10:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA16356 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from Janeway.tm.net.my (janeway.tm.net.mt [202.188.0.155]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16351 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Janeway (Janeway [202.188.0.155]) by Janeway.tm.net.my (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA04281 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:59:10 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:59:09 +0800 (SGT) From: Swee-Chuan Khoo X-Sender: sckhoo@Janeway To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: deny leave mail on server in popper Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi, I would like to find out is there a way to prevent user from leave mail on server using popper? I am using qpopper2.2 Thanx. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 04:31:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17075 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA17028 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.gds.de (pluto.gds.de [194.77.222.13]) by gds.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA20550 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:29:21 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701231229.NAA20550@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Gresek" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:28:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Ping DUP Reply-to: rg@gds.de Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, I am using the 3.0-970118-SNAP on a P5 200 MHz and a 3Com 3C900 Etherlink XL NIC. I defined several IP-addresses with ifconfig vx0 inet 194.231.79.60 netmask 0xffffffc0 alias route add 194.231.79.60 localhost Now, when I ping this address from another network every ip-packet get duplicated: PING 194.231.79.60 (194.231.79.60): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=59.921 ms 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=69.929 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=60.104 ms 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=70.113 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=60.108 ms 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=70.071 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=251 time=50.142 ms 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=251 time=60.133 ms (DUP!) ^C --- 194.231.79.60 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, +4 duplicates, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 50.142/62.565/70.113 ms # There are no DUPs when pinging from within the same net. I did not have this problem with FreeBSD 2.1.5 nor with 3.0 and a NE2000 clone. Could it be a bug in the vx0 driver or did I misconfigure something? Thanks Richard +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ : Plus.Net Internet PoP fuer : Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt & Westerwald : 60596 Frankfurt : Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusnet.de : Fax : +49 69 610238 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 05:16:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18412 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 05:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18407 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 05:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA02416; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:18:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:18:14 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Joe Mays - freebsd-isp cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Joe Mays - freebsd-isp wrote: > > Starting a basic web server. > Starting a basic FTP server. > Starting a basic popmail server. > Starting a basic news server. How to setup a dial-in pool with PPP. Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 05:17:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18455 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 05:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA18442 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 05:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA21897; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:31:55 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199701231231.NAA21897@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Ping DUP To: rg@gds.de Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:31:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701231229.NAA20550@gds.de> from "Richard Gresek" at Jan 23, 97 01:28:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > route add 194.231.79.60 localhost > > Now, when I ping this address from another network every ip-packet > get duplicated: > > PING 194.231.79.60 (194.231.79.60): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=59.921 ms > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=69.929 ms (DUP!) > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=60.104 ms > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=70.113 ms (DUP!) > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=60.108 ms > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=70.071 ms (DUP!) > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=251 time=50.142 ms > 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=251 time=60.133 ms (DUP!) > ^C --- > 194.231.79.60 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets > received, +4 duplicates, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = > 50.142/62.565/70.113 ms # > > There are no DUPs when pinging from within the same net. > > I did not have this problem with FreeBSD 2.1.5 nor with 3.0 and a > NE2000 clone. > > Could it be a bug in the vx0 driver or did I misconfigure something? most likely you have two paths to/from your host, and either the ping request or the response are duplicated. It i also interesting to note the 10ms difference between the dups -- although I cannot tell where this difference comes from! Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 06:09:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20622 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20614 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA27166; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:12:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970123090041.00aa8630@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:00:43 -0500 To: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Radius 2.0 and FreeBSD. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:43 AM 1/23/97 -0400, Joe Mays - freebsd-isp wrote: >I was wondering who, if anyone, out there is running Radius 2.0 >from Livingston. I downloaded the source from Livingston, but they >said they don't support FreeBSD with it and I couldn't find any >"official" FreeBSD port for it. With some changes to the Makefile >and a couple of .c files for the BSDOS source I was able to build >one that works just fine, but I am far from being an expert at >this stuff. If anyone else has put together a working build I >would like to see it so I could compare changes. If there is an >official FreeBSD port, better still. To get a clean compile there is not much that needs to be done... I made the following changes and compiled cleanly using gcc 2.6.3 In the BSDOS_2.0 Make directory, edit the Makefile and change the lines CC= cc to CC= gcc LIBS = to LIBS = -lcrypt in ../radius/src/conf.h add #define bsdi and delete #include do a make then do the regular install stuff, and /etc/radiusd -b Works just fine.... ---Mike From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 07:08:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22905 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (jc@irbs.irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22900 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23458; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:08:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:08:00 -0500 From: jc@irbs.com (John Capo) To: deichert@wrench.com (Diana Eichert) Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: telnet KEEPALIVE References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55-PL15 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Organization: IRBS Engineering, (954) 792-9551 In-Reply-To: ; from Diana Eichert on Jan 22, 1997 09:01:21 -0700 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoting Diana Eichert (deichert@wrench.com): > I have a problem with telnet sessions lingering after loss of connection > by a dialup user. I have looked in the archives and I know that telnet > is setup to verify connections. Somewhere in the archives it mentioned > that the default keepalive was 2 hours, I've looked everywhere and > haven't been able to find where you alter the keepalive value. > irbs 49% sysctl net.inet.tcp.keepidle net.inet.tcp.keepidle = 14400 The value is in PR_SLOWHZ which is twice a second. 14400 is 2 hours. John Capo From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 07:13:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23155 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts.shopnet.com ([208.131.136.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23150 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id IAA05704; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:14:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:14:46 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: John Capo cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: telnet KEEPALIVE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone on the help with the sysctl net.inet.tcp.keepidle variable. diana Diana Eichert VP Technical Services Auto Systems, Inc. deichert@wrench.com Tele: 505/239-2933 FAX: 505/837-2571 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 07:47:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24742 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from polaris.canweb.ca (polaris.canweb.ca [204.225.44.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24734 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (david@localhost) by polaris.canweb.ca (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05256 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:45:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: David Grant To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: WWW Co-location suguestions? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This isn't exactly limited to FreeBSD, but here goes.... I'm looking to offload some web traffic from my main site by moving a server or two to a co-located site with better backbone access. I need about a T1's worth of bandwidth. Anyone with a T3 care to babysit a FreeBSD box for me? Dave --------- David Grant CanWeb Internet Services Ltd. 519 332 6900 http://www.canweb.ca FAX 519 332 6464 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 08:02:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25988 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from escape.cs.ibank.ru (escape.cs.ibank.ru [194.58.131.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25973 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from igor@localhost) by escape.cs.ibank.ru (8.8.3/8.8.3/Zynaps) id TAA19171 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:01:03 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199701231601.TAA19171@escape.cs.ibank.ru> Subject: How archive all incoming/outgoing messages? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:01:02 +0300 (MSK) From: Igor Vinokurov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk re, how save to archive all messages (incoming && outgoung) with sendmail? The best way? The correct way? -- Igor Vinokurov From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 09:12:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29924 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29907; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id JAA22511; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:11:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:11:55 -0800 (PST) From: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > In fact, in some recent field trials USR had difficulty getting > faster than 53K out of their X2 modems. In a flyer we got yesterday from USR, it stated that "due to current FCC restrictions" connections will only be 53K but _could_ be 56K. Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ServNet/Abstract Software sjkb@abstractsoft.com http://www.serv.net/~begonia ``Just another one of the flock following the herd.'' From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 09:33:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01142 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01124; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id JAA02437; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA854040449; Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:40:44 PST Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:40:44 PST Message-Id: <9700238540.AA854040449@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: John-Mark Gurney , lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > basicly there isn't signal loss when you go from digital to analog... > there is only loss when you go from analog to digital... Not true; there's distortion, introduced by encoding, in either direction. Not to mention bit robbing. --Brett From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 10:11:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02673 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.lancite.com (ns.lancite.com [205.236.254.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02664 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmaffei.lancite.com ([205.236.254.238]) by ns.lancite.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01555 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by dmaffei.lancite.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC092D.B8045040@dmaffei.lancite.com>; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:02:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC092D.B8045040@dmaffei.lancite.com> From: Domenico Maffei To: "'isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:02:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe Domenico Maffei, eMail: dmaffei@lancite.com Tel: (514) 737-3898 Fax:(514) 737-5707 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 10:35:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03610 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nt-server.nteatel.net ([207.101.8.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03602 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.101.0.16] by nt-server.nteatel.net (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id na094159 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:34:13 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970123123450.00cdae44@192.0.2.2> X-Sender: hawke#hawkewerks.com@192.0.2.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:34:51 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: HawkeWerks Multimedia Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This sounds alot like the (very useful) Linux "How-to's" It's a great idea, IMNSHO. It could be one more step toward "Mainstreaming" FreeBSD, Any takers? We could set up a web site including the How-to's fairly easily, and I'd be willing to bet the guys at freebsd.org would be interested. Hawke cat flames > /dev/null At 06:44 PM 1/23/97 +1100, you wrote: > > >On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Joe Mays - freebsd-isp wrote: > >> >I don't suppose some of you ISP folks would consider taking a walk on >> >the wild side with SGML and begin writing up a little "ISP's Guide to >> >FreeBSD", much as Paul Vixie has done for BSDI? >> >> The following documents would probably save a lot of redundant >> questions: >> >> Starting a basic web server. >> Starting a basic FTP server. >> Starting a basic popmail server. >> Starting a basic news server. >> >> Any others that people would like to see? > >poppassd >How-to/why of subnetting >Routing with routed and gated >sendmail and virtual domains >virtual web servers > >What might be really useful would be to put together a package which has >all of the basic pieces set up to work more or less out of the box. > >Danny > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 11:04:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04841 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04821; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from allenh.wtrt.net (local2.wtrt.net [205.231.181.228]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10981; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:04:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970123130454.00b21cb0@wtrt.net> X-Sender: allenh@wtrt.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 5 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:04:54 -0600 To: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com, John-Mark Gurney , lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com From: Allen Hyer Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:40 AM 1/23/97 PST, Brett_Glass@infoworld.com wrote: >> basicly there isn't signal loss when you go from digital to analog... >> there is only loss when you go from analog to digital... > >Not true; there's distortion, introduced by encoding, in either direction. >Not to mention bit robbing. That would normally be true. I can only speak from what I have read about X2, really haven't studied Lucent's 56k. T1's use PCM codes to carry data. USR's digital X2 modems signal the direct PCM codes, so there is no conversion in the server side originated data until it hits the local loop on the customer's phone line. And, since the originating data was straight PCM codes, the digital to analog conversion should theoretically not change the data. Allen Hyer System Administrator West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 11:48:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07746 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07739 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA20533; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:06:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Peter Hawkins cc: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199701231034.VAA13993@rhiannon.clari.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's my little additions: Advanced security and methodology of implementation How to tell if you've been hacked Amanda How-To How to plan for growth (NFS-ed mail spools and NIS/alternatives) A place to share housekeeping scripts Charles On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Peter Hawkins wrote: > Basic security > mechanisms for accounting > proxies > configuring your first name server with a worked example and perhaps a > little script that sets up your own domain > domain name policies and politics (ie who will/wont allow what and how > best to get it) > Conservtion of IPs > hardware recommendations > mpd > > - yes, some are more general than FreeBSD itself but why not kickstart people? > > We need an FTP archive for "cute little scripts etc" for ISPs... > > (or a subdirectory on ftp.freebsd.org) > > Peter > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 12:38:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10881 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.6.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10873; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from roberte@localhost) by ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.8.4/8.7.3) id VAA01431; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:37:22 +0100 (MET) From: Robert Eckardt Message-Id: <199701232037.VAA01431@ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Subject: Re: Why "ns_req: no root server " ? In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Callaghan at "23. Jan. 97 20:34:41" To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:37:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: ywliu@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw, questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I am running named on FreeBSD 2.1.6 for our own domain. From time > > to time the named just dies, and keeps issuing error messages : > > > > "named[xxx] : ns_req : no address for root server" > > > > After the name server is restarted, everthing is normal. > > > > What's this and how does this happen ? I have run named on 2.0.5 > > before and this never happened. I have the same problem for more than half a year now on 2.1.0 and 2.1.5 servers. It dies sometimes after a couple of weeks, but recently after only 2 hours (server was quiescent): Jan 22 18:12:47 bug named[139]: Ready to answer queries. [..] Jan 22 20:35:10 bug named[139]: ns_req: no address for root server The only `special' is that the named is primary for the hosts-domain, but secondary for the rev-domain. If someone understands to read the log file I can offer a 2MB file of a level 10 debug log (the failure after 2 hours). > What are the expiry values for the root servers in root.cache For my case, I use the cache file from internic, unchanged. . 3600000 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 3600000 A 198.41.0.4 Any help appreciated, Robert -- Robert Eckardt \\ FreeBSD -- solutions for a large universe.(tm) RobertE@MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de \\ What do you want to boot tomorrow ?(tm) http://WWW.MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de/~roberte For PGP-key finger roberte@gluon.MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 13:10:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12654 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nanguo.chalmers.com.au (nanguo.chalmers.com.au [203.1.96.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12648; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from robert@localhost) by nanguo.chalmers.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id HAA02367; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:11:07 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Chalmers Message-Id: <199701232111.HAA02367@nanguo.chalmers.com.au> Subject: nslint for checking named files available here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (bsd) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:11:07 +1000 (EST) Cc: isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I see a few people withe named problems, you might like to try the package nslint, which cehecks your named files, and enables you to correct errors in the config ofthem, I have the latest version on ftp://ftp.chalmers.com.au/pub/freebsd/nslint-1.5.2a1.tar.gz You will have to change a define in nslint.c to point to /etc/namedb/named.boot as it defaults to /etc/named.boot, unless you have cahnged it yourself. great package, very useful. bc -- Triple-W: P.O. Box 2003. Mackay. 4740 +61-0412-079025 robert@chalmers.com.au for Whirled Peas http://www.chalmers.com.au Location: Whitsunday Web Works. 21'7" S, 149'14" E. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 13:55:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14351 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sergio.lenzi ([200.247.23.106]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14327; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenzi@localhost) by sergio.lenzi (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA01271; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:02:23 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:02:23 +0000 () From: "Lenzi, Sergio" X-Sender: lenzi@sergio To: Robert Eckardt cc: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , ywliu@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw, questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why "ns_req: no root server " ? In-Reply-To: <199701232037.VAA01431@ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, This happens because the named cannot find a "root name server" that is a name server for the domain '.'. because the root name server has no root to it or is unavailable. Solution: in the cache file, put a line that points to a near name server that is sure working, so your name server will use it as a root one. that is: . IN NS rootns. rootns. IN A a.b.c.d some I use in my area (Brazil, south): 200.250.250.14 150.162.1.3 200.247.7.3 200.247.32.97 Hope this will help, Sergio Lenzi. Unix consult. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 14:41:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16837 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16829 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA28964; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:40:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:40:10 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Richard Gresek cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ping DUP In-Reply-To: <199701231229.NAA20550@gds.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Richard Gresek wrote: > I am using the 3.0-970118-SNAP on a P5 200 MHz and a 3Com 3C900 > Etherlink XL NIC. Hmmm...I wouldn't be using 3.0 on production machines. > I defined several IP-addresses with > > ifconfig vx0 inet 194.231.79.60 netmask 0xffffffc0 alias > route add 194.231.79.60 localhost Try using a netmask of 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255) pbd From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 14:56:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17581 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17570 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.clinet.fi (root@news.clinet.fi [194.100.0.3]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA04384; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:55:55 +0200 (EET) Received: (hsu@localhost) by news.clinet.fi (8.8.4/8.6.4) id CAA09148; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:57:00 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:57:00 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199701240057.CAA09148@news.clinet.fi> From: Heikki Suonsivu To: Leonard Chua Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Leonard Chua's message of 23 Jan 1997 04:18:54 +0200 Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Organization: Clinet Ltd, Espoo, Finland References: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Leonard Chua I think when I quoted that salesblurp from the Livingston rep, I should have included the last part, which basically said that USR will only license their X2 for modem manufacturers, and not manufacturers of products of the other end of the line - i.e. the Dialup Access Servers/Hubs/Concentrators(/whatever else vendors like to call them). So unless their policy changes, the PortMaster3s will not get X2 upgrades (but rather rockwell 56k instead). This poses some worry. I just today got mail from Livingston distributor and they promise to support both, and have agreement with USR to do that. Am I falling into a marketing trap ? I would appreciate comments on experiences with Ascend MAX4k, Cisco 5200, PM3, and possible other solutions (not separate modems and other wirechaos systems, we already have one). Anyone using PM3, it seems to be the most affordable solution, but least common here in Europe and a fresh product compared to Ascend ? -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi mobile +358-40-5519679 work +358-9-43542270 fax -4555276 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 15:26:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19199 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19180 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA31602 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:26:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA08173 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:22:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <199701240057.CAA09148@news.clinet.fi> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Heikki Suonsivu wrote: > I just today got mail from Livingston distributor and they promise to > support both, and have agreement with USR to do that. Am I falling into a > marketing trap ? This distributor is probably confused about USR getting an extension to their existing licencing agreement to use the older version of ComOS in the USR TC servers. This has nothing to do with modems. Send email to megazone@livingston.com and he will verify this for you and make sure the distributor gets the correct information. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 15:41:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20076 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nimbus.superior.net (root@nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20069 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from exidor@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA20162; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:40:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:40:42 -0500 From: exidor@superior.net (Christopher Masto) To: hsu@clinet.fi (Heikki Suonsivu) Cc: lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com (Leonard Chua), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? References: <199701240057.CAA09148@news.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199701240057.CAA09148@news.clinet.fi>; from Heikki Suonsivu on Jan 24, 1997 02:57:00 +0200 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Heikki Suonsivu writes: > I would appreciate comments on experiences with Ascend MAX4k, Cisco 5200, > PM3, and possible other solutions (not separate modems and other wirechaos > systems, we already have one). Anyone using PM3, it seems to be the most > affordable solution, but least common here in Europe and a fresh product > compared to Ascend ? We just got a two PM3s and the four channelized T1s to go with them (no ISDN here). They seem to work absolutely wonderfully. In the space of a few modems, they can handle 96 incoming calls, whereas we previously had a wall full of equipment for 60 lines. Digital modem banks are really the only way to go nowadays.. at least for the ISPs that aren't run out of someone's kitchen. -- Christopher Masto . . . . Superior Net Support: support@superior.net chris@masto.com . . . . . Masto Consulting: info@masto.com On the Future, Where it is: It's a question of wheather we're going to go forward into the future, or past to the back. - Vice President Dan Quale. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 16:01:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21240 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21203; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:00:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id PAA07640; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA854063640; Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:38:35 PST Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:38:35 PST Message-Id: <9700238540.AA854063640@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Allen Hyer , gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu, lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > since the originating data was straight PCM codes, the digital to analog > conversion should theoretically not change the data. Even if you send straight PCM codes, you have no control over bit robbing on switched circuits. (You can get DEDICATED clear channel T1, but to my knowledge, you can't rely on clear channel through a phone switch.) --Brett From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 16:20:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22860 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from wizard.teksupport.net.au (wizard.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22853 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from magician.teksupport.net.au (magician.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.98]) by wizard.teksupport.net.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA13435 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:20:25 +1100 Message-Id: <199701240020.LAA13435@wizard.teksupport.net.au> X-Sender: robseco1@wizard.teksupport.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:20:26 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Rob Secombe Subject: US based DNS Secondary Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I know this is not strictly a freebsd question but... I am looking for someone to secondary non .au domains in the U.S. Thanks Rob Secombe Teksupport Pty. Ltd. 7 Warwick Avenue, Springvale, Email robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au Melbourne 3171 Victoria Australia World Wide Web http://www.teksupport.net.au/ ************************************************************************* From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 17:04:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26656 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pollux.or.signature.nl (root@pollux.or.signature.nl [194.229.138.194]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26649 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc01.or.signature.nl (pc01.or.signature.nl [194.229.138.195]) by pollux.or.signature.nl (8.8.3/bs) with SMTP id CAA02745; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:03:01 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970124010223.1af76a26@pollux.or.signature.nl> X-Sender: bit@pollux.or.signature.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:02:23 +0000 To: Igor Vinokurov From: Bart Smit Subject: Re: How archive all incoming/outgoing messages? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:01 PM 1/23/97 +0300, Igor Vinokurov wrote: >how save to archive all messages (incoming && outgoung) with >sendmail? The best way? The correct way? archiving all messages (incoming && outgoung) is *not* the correct way. Bart From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 17:04:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26690 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhiannon.clari.net.au (dns1.clari.net.au [203.27.85.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26677 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.clari.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA27827; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:10:34 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:10:34 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199701240110.MAA27827@rhiannon.clari.net.au> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au Subject: Re: US based DNS Secondary Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I know this is not strictly a freebsd question but... I am looking for >someone to secondary non .au domains in the U.S. I need the same! PEter From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 17:23:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27468 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se (gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se [194.23.96.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27461 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from powertower (powertower.hugo.pp.se [194.23.99.26]) by gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA00238 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:23:12 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701240123.CAA00238@gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se> From: "Mikael Hugo" To: Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:22:26 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I must say that I am getting confused by all the different products out there. In Sweden we have not had the opportunity to go T1/E1 directly into our modems recently (due to single competitive telco), so my system is based on a LOT of Hayes Century 2. Which product should I choose? Hayes is coming out with a 9000 series, Portmaster3, Microcom and Ascend just to mention a few. Also I would be nice to know if ie Hayes (or someone else) offers special upgrade prices, since I have 30 Century 2 racks, that are getting old fast :( //Mikael Hugo From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 17:50:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29046 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29025; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from allenh ([208.209.98.89]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15879; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:50:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970123194722.006ad8cc@wtrt.net> X-Sender: allenh@wtrt.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 8 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:47:22 -0600 To: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com, gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu, lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com From: Allen Hyer Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9700238540.AA854063640@ccgate.infoworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:38 PM 1/23/97 PST, Brett_Glass@infoworld.com wrote: >> since the originating data was straight PCM codes, the digital to analog >> conversion should theoretically not change the data. > >Even if you send straight PCM codes, you have no control over bit robbing >on switched circuits. (You can get DEDICATED clear channel T1, but to my >knowledge, you can't rely on clear channel through a phone switch.) I'm not an expert in telco technology, but if it makes any difference, on the USR total control system, you must use "trunk-side" T1's. Your other option is to use ISDN-PRI. Allen Hyer System Administrator West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 17:54:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29226 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29215 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA01438 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:54:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA09399 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:31 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: US based DNS Secondary In-Reply-To: <199701240110.MAA27827@rhiannon.clari.net.au> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Peter Hawkins wrote: > >I know this is not strictly a freebsd question but... I am looking for > >someone to secondary non .au domains in the U.S. > > I need the same! You might want to consider joining the ISP/C then at http://www.ispc.org One of the member benefits is the free use of our three secondary nameservers, two in the USA and one in Germany. While most members are currently in the USA, our 6 month old organization has members in Canada, Germany, France, Singapore, Mexico and a few other ones I can't remember off the top of my head. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 18:26:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01173 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01165 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA01992 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:26:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA09671 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:23:18 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:23:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <199701240123.CAA00238@gatekeeper.hugo.pp.se> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Mikael Hugo wrote: > Which product should I choose? Hayes is coming out with a 9000 series, > Portmaster3, Microcom and Ascend just to mention a few. > > Also I would be nice to know if ie Hayes (or someone else) offers special > upgrade prices, since I have 30 Century 2 racks, that are getting old fast There's nothing wrong with those modem racks. What kind of terminal server do you have them hooked up to? If you add newer equipment like the Livingston PM3 you will have the opportunity to put them on a separate phone number and charge a bit more for premium service up to 56K. Or if you charge the same price then just put them at the end of the hunt group and tell 56K modem users which number to dial to get the 56K modems but don't offer any guarantees that they will find a 56K modem free. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 18:50:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02452 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (phi.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02426; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15378; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:44:42 +0800 From: ywliu@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Message-Id: <9701240244.AA15378@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw> Subject: Re: Why "ns_req: no root server " ? (fwd)(Should be solved !!) To: isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:44:42 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got a reply from Mr. Don Lewis. He kindly pointed out the reason and provided the best solution, IMHO. I diecided to share his advice with you, and thanks for all persons trying to help me and people with the same problem. Forwarded message: > From gdonl@tsc.tdk.com Fri Jan 24 08:29 CST 1997 > From: Don Lewis > Message-Id: <199701240032.QAA13227@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:32:28 -0800 > In-Reply-To: ywliu@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) > "Why "ns_req: no root server " ?" (Jan 23, 4:00pm) > X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) > To: ywliu@phi.Sinica.EDU.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) > Subject: Re: Why "ns_req: no root server " ? > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 1031 > > On Jan 23, 4:00pm, Yen-Wei Liu wrote: > } Subject: Why "ns_req: no root server " ? > } Hi, > } > } I am running named on FreeBSD 2.1.6 for our own domain. From time > } to time the named just dies, and keeps issuing error messages : > } > } "named[xxx] : ns_req : no address for root server" > } > } After the name server is restarted, everthing is normal. > } > } What's this and how does this happen ? I have run named on 2.0.5 > } before and this never happened. > > When named starts up it reads the root cache file and sends out > a request for the root server list to the hosts in this file and > caches the answer, which includes the names and addresses of the > root servers. If the root server addresses time out before the > names do, then you get the above message. The version you are > running isn't able to recover. I'd recommend upgrading to BIND 4.9.5-P1, > which has a number of fixes to this and related problems (as well as > a number of other important bug fixes). Get > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.5/bind-4.9.5-P1.tar.gz > > --- Truck > ps. Can we suggest FreeBSD 2.2 include this version instead ? Or is it done already ? Yen-Wei Liu From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 20:17:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05756 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.internode.net (mail.internode.net [198.161.228.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05739; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.161.228.115] by relay.internode.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id A38C30A00E2; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:59:08 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970124042006.00752f68@internode.net> X-Sender: drussell@internode.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:20:06 -0700 To: Allen Hyer , Brett_Glass@infoworld.com, gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu, lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com From: Doug Russell Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, michael@memra.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's some of the answers that should clear things up. Yes, the server side has to be digital...... So for, say a connection to your home from the office, you need (as a minimum) an ISDN at the office, with an I-Modem, and an X2 modem at home on the analog line. I suppose if you wanted the fast channel to go outward from your home (a household web server? :-) ) you could have the ISDN end at your house and an analog at the other end. At least it would cost less. (Here anyway, the residential ISDN rates are lower than the business rates. Still pretty hefty though. Telus, the local phone company here in Calgary quoted me $85 per month for ISDN into my house. 1, 3, and 5 year contract plans drop the rate, (around 79, 75, and 69 dollars per month respectively if I remember right. The paper is on my desk at the office.) At least it's only a $60 installation fee. Although, I still have to pay the $200 to trench in more copper from the front yard... They only ran 2 pairs of copper into the houses in my area (an area new enough that they should have known better, BTW), and these temporary pair splitting devices to give me my current 4 phone lines don't work so hot... :-) ) >From USR's web site, URL http://x2.usr.com/solutions/corporate.html...... --- CUT --- x2 support on both ends: x2 must be supported on both ends of the connection, by the remote users' modem as well as by the remote access server or modem pool at the host end. The host-end device must implement x2 server functionality, and the remote user's modem must implement x2 client functionality. Typically, the remote user will be using a U.S. Robotics Courier, Sportster, or Megahertz modem (x2 client functionality) dialing into an MP I-modem, NETServer I-modem, Courier I-modem, or Total Control Enterprise Network Hub (x2 server functionality). Digital at one end: In typical remote access configurations, many remote users dial in to a concentration point where traffic from multiple remote users is aggregated. At this concentration point the connection to the phone network must be digital, meaning either a channelized T1, ISDN PRI, or ISDN BRI. The line must also be "trunk-side" and not "line-side." ISDN PRI and BRI lines are automatically trunk-side. Channelized T1s are typically trunk-side but may, in some circumstances, be line-side. Note that x2 speeds of 56,000 bits per second occur in the direction from the digital end of the connection to the analog end. One Analog-to-Digital conversion: There can only be one Analog-to-Digital (A/D) conversion in the phone network along the path of the call from the remote user to the call termination point (remote access server). Having a remote access server on the end of a trunk-side digital connection, with the remote user connected to an analog line, typically ensures this requirement will be met. Note that this means users connecting through a PBX (e.g. at a hotel) may not achieve x2 speeds, because there typically is an extra analog-to-digital conversion for data calls through a PBX. Quality of Line: As with V.34 technology, x2 speeds are somewhat dependent on line quality. However, because x2 is designed to take advantage of the digital nature of the phone network, it will typically be less susceptible to speed degradation than V.34. In fact, the maximum theoretical connect speeds of x2 exceed 60 Kbps. U.S. Robotics' initial testing has indicated that the vast majority of home users will be able to obtain x2 speeds. In situations where x2 is not obtainable, U.S. Robotics products will fall back to V.34 (with no user intervention required). --- CUT --- Later...... From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 20:43:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06589 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tok.qiv.com (root@[204.214.141.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06582 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id WAA16755; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:30:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00727; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:42 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: acp.qiv.com: jdn owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Jay D. Nelson" To: Luigi Rizzo cc: rg@gds.de, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ping DUP In-Reply-To: <199701231231.NAA21897@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I saw this on our subnet when a network printer adapter mysteriously changed it's IP address to the broadcast address. Some questions you never want to ask for fear of the answer -- and this was one! -- Jay On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Luigi Rizzo wrote: ->> route add 194.231.79.60 localhost ->> ->> Now, when I ping this address from another network every ip-packet ->> get duplicated: ->> ->> PING 194.231.79.60 (194.231.79.60): 56 data bytes ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=59.921 ms ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=69.929 ms (DUP!) ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=60.104 ms ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=70.113 ms (DUP!) ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=60.108 ms ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=70.071 ms (DUP!) ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=251 time=50.142 ms ->> 64 bytes from 194.231.79.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=251 time=60.133 ms (DUP!) ->> ^C --- ->> 194.231.79.60 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets ->> received, +4 duplicates, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = ->> 50.142/62.565/70.113 ms # ->> ->> There are no DUPs when pinging from within the same net. ->> ->> I did not have this problem with FreeBSD 2.1.5 nor with 3.0 and a ->> NE2000 clone. ->> ->> Could it be a bug in the vx0 driver or did I misconfigure something? -> ->most likely you have two paths to/from your host, and either the ping ->request or the response are duplicated. It i also interesting to note ->the 10ms difference between the dups -- although I cannot tell where ->this difference comes from! -> -> Luigi ->-----------------------------+-------------------------------------- ->Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione ->email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa ->tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) ->fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ->_____________________________|______________________________________ -> From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 21:47:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09055 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from escape.cs.ibank.ru (igor@escape.cs.ibank.ru [194.58.131.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09045 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from igor@localhost) by escape.cs.ibank.ru (8.8.3/8.8.3/Zynaps) id IAA22957; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:46:02 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199701240546.IAA22957@escape.cs.ibank.ru> Subject: Re: How archive all incoming/outgoing messages? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970124010223.1af76a26@pollux.or.signature.nl> from Bart Smit at "Jan 24, 97 01:02:23 am" To: bit@signature.nl (Bart Smit) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:46:01 +0300 (MSK) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Igor Vinokurov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoting Bart Smit: > > how save to archive all messages (incoming && outgoung) with > > sendmail? The best way? The correct way? > > archiving all messages (incoming && outgoung) is *not* the correct way. Why? Broken privacy? :) -- Igor Vinokurov From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 21:53:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09354 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.win.net (ns2.win.net [204.215.209.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09349 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from launchpad.win.net (uucp@localhost) by ns2.win.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA13985 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:49:23 -0500 Received: by win.net!launchpad; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:52:31 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v4.0c Message-ID: Reply-To: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:52:31 -0400 Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) From: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >This sounds alot like the (very useful) Linux "How-to's" It's a great idea, >IMNSHO. It could be one more step toward "Mainstreaming" FreeBSD, Any >takers? We could set up a web site including the How-to's fairly easily, >and I'd be willing to bet the guys at freebsd.org would be interested. I'd be happy to donate a frontpage enabled website, which might make it easy for multiple people to work on the site at once, if anyone is interested. Joe Mays From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 23 22:24:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA10559 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10551 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA13999; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:25:40 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:25:37 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: HawkeWerks Multimedia , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970123123450.00cdae44@192.0.2.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, HawkeWerks Multimedia wrote: > This sounds alot like the (very useful) Linux "How-to's" It's a great idea, > IMNSHO. It could be one more step toward "Mainstreaming" FreeBSD, Any > takers? We could set up a web site including the How-to's fairly easily, > and I'd be willing to bet the guys at freebsd.org would be interested. Just what I was thinking. In fact, the Handbook is already there - it just needs a few more How-to chapters. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 00:23:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15074 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tech.kgtu.runnet.ru ([195.208.226.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15069 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Nata.tech.kgtu.runnet.ru (nataly.tech.kgtu.runnet.ru [195.208.226.103]) by tech.kgtu.runnet.ru (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA01503; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:24:48 +0700 (KRS) Message-ID: <32E87143.76E9@tech.kgtu.runnet.ru> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:22:39 +0700 From: "Boris P. Shinkarev" Reply-To: shin@tech.kgtu.runnet.ru Organization: IPU of KGTU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sckhoo@tm.net.my CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Swee-Chuan Khoo wrote: > > > Starting a basic web server. > > Starting a basic FTP server. > > Starting a basic popmail server. > > Starting a basic news server. > > Starting a basic news server > Starying a basic name server And how to make all in FreeBSD. Boris Shinakrev. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 01:13:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16789 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from foo.primenet.com (ip192.sjc.primenet.com [206.165.96.192]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16784 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bkogawa@localhost) by foo.primenet.com (8.8.2/8.6.12) id XAA11015; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:53:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:53:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701180753.XAA11015@foo.primenet.com> To: michael@memra.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD/News FAQ project. Newsgroups: localhost.freebsd.isp References: <> From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" Cc: isp@freebsd.org X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In localhost.freebsd.isp you write: >On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Charles Reese wrote: >> Obviously I'm new to this so I will have to learn as I go along. >Go look up the freebsd-isp mailing list archives at >http://www.freebsd.org , read through the messages and distill the >common questions and good advice into a FAQ document. If you are primarily >interested in news servers, then use the search tool at the website to >hunt for messages about INN on freebsd-isp and some of the other freebsd >lists that are archived there. Other suggestions for sources: 1. Do a DejaNews search on Joe Greco in news.software.nntp . Do a search on FreeBSD while you're there. 2. Search for Joe Greco on the FreeBSD lists, as well. :) I know that Joe has posted his list of recommended hardware/software configurations, which I found sensible. Good stuff. >Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting >Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 >http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com -- bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 05:30:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA28339 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA28302 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA12059 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:27:34 GMT Message-ID: <32E8B8C6.19A13460@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:27:34 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RAS DUN phonebook entry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any information on how to create a phonebook entry under program control. TIA regards damian -- Wanted - new or slightly used interesting and witty sig. Must be in reasonable condition with not too much wear. Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 07:19:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02527 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from house.multinet.net (house.multinet.net [204.138.173.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02518 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabber.multinet.net (gabber.multinet.net [204.138.173.45]) by house.multinet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA06424 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:18:50 -0500 Message-ID: <32E8D2E8.7DE14518@multinet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:19:04 -0500 From: graydon hoare X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-ALPHA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? References: <199701240057.CAA09148@news.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ok I've been watching people argue this one for a couple of days now and have only one question, the answer to which (I believe) solves the whole 56k problem: Are these modems (digital banks, singletons, etc.) simply DSPs with soft-upgradable microcode? if they are, then you can buy anything and be assured that at very least all you have to do is spend a day squirting changes into them and they'll run OK with whatever the standard of the week is. if they're not, you MUST, no matter what, no matter who you're talking to, MUST buy units which conform to the largest industry standard. this is the pivotal question, right? Does anyone actually know, 100% KNOW, which of the 56k modems in question are actually like this, and which of them have their protocols `burned' in? -graydon ___________________________________________________ aw shucks I musta been tuned to the wrong frequency From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 10:49:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12343 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fasts.com (qmailr@server.fasts.com [199.125.215.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12331 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9452 invoked from network); 24 Jan 1997 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uldis.fasts.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 24 Jan 1997 20:48:32 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970124205002.00691b18@fasts.com> X-Sender: vitjok@fasts.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:50:03 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Victor Rotanov Subject: cheap and good network cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. Dont know if this question belongs here, but anyway... What cheap and good 10mbit network cards exist that will work both under freebsd and win95? Things like surecom do not work on all systems and 3com is too expensive... thanks, bye. vitjok From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 11:12:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13589 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13568 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06127; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:12:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: Victor Rotanov cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cheap and good network cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970124205002.00691b18@fasts.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Victor Rotanov wrote: > Hi. > > Dont know if this question belongs here, but anyway... > > What cheap and good 10mbit network cards exist that will work both under > freebsd and win95? > > Things like surecom do not work on all systems and 3com is too expensive... My favorite 10mbit ISA card are the SMC's. CompUSA has the EtherEZ for $100, so you should be able to find it for less. If that doesn't count as cheap, then look for a decent NE2000 clone. It will eat more CPU time, and i get better transfer rates out of the SMCs (though not by much). We use $35 clones from just about any source. The biggest difference I've found is that while almost all are software-setup only now, some will only let you set up the first card it finds. Others will list all cards and let you choose which one to use. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 11:19:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13979 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13973 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA01838 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:13:19 -0800 Received: (from das@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA27375; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:10:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: Das Devaraj Reply-To: Das Devaraj Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, HawkeWerks Multimedia wrote: > > This sounds alot like the (very useful) Linux "How-to's" It's a great idea, > > Just what I was thinking. In fact, the Handbook is already there - it > just needs a few more How-to chapters. There is a book ("The Complete FreeBSD") published by Walnut Creek CDROM for around $30 or so. Anybody who has that book care to make any comments about it -- specifically does it already answer the questions about the documentation raised in the current thread? Das Devaraj ------------------------------------------------------------------- Interested in Vegetarianism? Vegetarian Restaurant Trek Web http://www.VegInfo.com 712 Bancroft Road #320 e-mail info@VegInfo.com (subject Help) Walnut Creek, CA 94598 Interactive Voice/fax Response (510) 256-8420 USA From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 12:56:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18871 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18865 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA19580 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:56:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18807 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:53:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <32E8D2E8.7DE14518@multinet.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, graydon hoare wrote: > ok I've been watching people argue this one for a couple of days now and > have only one question, the answer to which (I believe) solves the whole > 56k problem: > > Are these modems (digital banks, singletons, etc.) > simply DSPs with soft-upgradable microcode? Unfortunately it's not that simple. The key issue is that there can only be one A/D conversion in the whole path to the customer. Some of these upgradeable modems actually have A/D conversions on the chip and so they will not be able to do 56K even with the software upgrade. For instance, Ascend has two different kinds of digital modems. The older ones cannot be upgraded and must be swapped with newer ones in order to do 56K. > if they're not, you MUST, no matter what, no matter who you're talking > to, MUST buy units which conform to the largest industry standard. > > this is the pivotal question, right? Yep. That's why the Lucent/Rockwell K56plus standard looks attractive. They certainly have the majority of the network access server market with Ascend, Livingston, etc... And there is no doubt that the majority of consumer modems sold (70%) use Rockwell chipsets. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 13:23:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20397 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20384 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from PacBell.TelcoSucks.org (ulf@PacBell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/20.74.3.14) with SMTP id NAA15890; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:22:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970124132441.00742de0@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> X-Sender: ulf@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:24:42 -0800 To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , Victor Rotanov From: Ulf Zimmermann Subject: Re: cheap and good network cards Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:12 AM 1/24/97 -0800, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > >On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Victor Rotanov wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Dont know if this question belongs here, but anyway... >> >> What cheap and good 10mbit network cards exist that will work both under >> freebsd and win95? >> >> Things like surecom do not work on all systems and 3com is too expensive... > >My favorite 10mbit ISA card are the SMC's. CompUSA has the EtherEZ for >$100, so you should be able to find it for less. > >If that doesn't count as cheap, then look for a decent NE2000 clone. It >will eat more CPU time, and i get better transfer rates out of the SMCs >(though not by much). We use $35 clones from just about any source. The >biggest difference I've found is that while almost all are software-setup >only now, some will only let you set up the first card it finds. Others >will list all cards and let you choose which one to use. Kingston has a PCI card based on the Dec 21040 (I think), which should work fine under WinSHit95 and FreeBSD. The price I have seen for it, were around $55 or less Ulf. ----------------------------------------------------------- Alameda Networks, Inc. | Ulf Zimmermann (ulf@Alameda.net) 1525 Pacific Avenue | Phone: (510)769-2936 Alameda, CA 94501 | Fax : (510)521-5073 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 13:59:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22339 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@smtp.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22332 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from br05 (br05.bentreality.com [156.46.122.253]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00781; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:59:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:59:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199701242159.PAA00781@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: jwenger@globaldialog.com X-EUDORA-DEMO: NOT FOR RESALE - 90 DAY DEMONSTRATION COPY X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Das Devaraj From: Jack Wenger Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Personally, I found it useful for my first couple of OS installs, but not very helpful with fun stuff like setting up a web server, or making yer box dial out, or slightly more advanced stuff. As a basic primer for the first time user, it's OK. I think a web site based on the trials and tribulations of all the talented (and patient) people on this list would be a huge resource. At 11:10 AM 1/24/97 -0800, you wrote: > >There is a book ("The Complete FreeBSD") published by Walnut Creek >CDROM for around $30 or so. Anybody who has that book care to make >any comments about it -- specifically does it already answer the >questions about the documentation raised in the current thread? > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jack Wenger, Owner Bent Reality Graphics | | info@bentreality.com ^ http://www.bentreality.com | | "Consider it evolution in action" | | 608-233-9571 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 14:00:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22489 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:00:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [206.171.98.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22475 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA04403; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:59:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:59:50 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , Victor Rotanov , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cheap and good network cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970124132441.00742de0@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > Kingston has a PCI card based on the Dec 21040 (I think), which should work > fine under WinSHit95 and FreeBSD. The price I have seen for it, were around > $55 or less Where can one find the Kingston's in the bay area or by mail order? Also, does the brand really matter that much if it was all based on the same chip? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET Unix Networking Operations GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 14:20:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23723 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23709 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ares.gordian.com (ares.gordian.com [192.73.220.49]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA16091 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ares.gordian.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00835; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:20:21 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Comment on CRL Network Services please. From: Steve Khoo Date: 24 Jan 1997 14:20:21 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are contemplating switching over to CRL for T1 access. If you have any dealings with them please comment. How about that CRL's LAP service? Thanks! SEK From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 14:45:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24732 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24727 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA02329; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:45:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701242245.OAA02329@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Steve Khoo cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Comment on CRL Network Services please. In-reply-to: Your message of "24 Jan 1997 14:20:21 PST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:45:08 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >We are contemplating switching over to CRL for T1 access. If >you have any dealings with them please comment. How about that CRL's >LAP service? You can call me and discuss this if you want. I know more about the company and their service than probably any other customer. 503 666 4431. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 15:32:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26223 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26212 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from PacBell.TelcoSucks.org (ulf@PacBell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/20.74.3.14) with SMTP id PAA16151; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:32:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970124153408.00b0d63c@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> X-Sender: ulf@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:34:09 -0800 To: Vincent Poy From: Ulf Zimmermann Subject: Re: cheap and good network cards Cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , Victor Rotanov , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.neutronet.com They have the 10/100 for $69 and the 10 for $40 Ulf. At 01:59 PM 1/24/97 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > >> Kingston has a PCI card based on the Dec 21040 (I think), which should work >> fine under WinSHit95 and FreeBSD. The price I have seen for it, were around >> $55 or less > > Where can one find the Kingston's in the bay area or by mail >order? Also, does the brand really matter that much if it was all based >on the same chip? > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET >Unix Networking Operations >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- Alameda Networks, Inc. | Ulf Zimmermann (ulf@Alameda.net) 1525 Pacific Avenue | Phone: (510)769-2936 Alameda, CA 94501 | Fax : (510)521-5073 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 15:45:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27731 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27722 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA28088; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:44:23 -0800 (PST) To: Jack Wenger cc: Das Devaraj , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:59:18 CST." <199701242159.PAA00781@msn.globaldialog.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:44:22 -0800 Message-ID: <28056.854149462@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > time user, it's OK. I think a web site based on the trials and tribulations > of all the talented (and patient) people on this list would be a huge resourc e. Yes, it would. C'mon, get writing guys! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 16:28:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01994 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01979 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA19877; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:30:17 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:30:16 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <28056.854149462@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > time user, it's OK. I think a web site based on the trials and tribulations > > of all the talented (and patient) people on this list would be a huge resourc > e. > > Yes, it would. C'mon, get writing guys! :-) A similar thing was written by Olaf Someone fro Linux. Big 13 Chapter handbook. Later turned into a book. Would it be worth approaching him for permission to rewrite it for FreeBSD? Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 16:35:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02770 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:35:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02707 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA02396 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:32:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:32:54 +0100 (MET) From: Jakob Alvermark Reply-To: alvermark@teligent.se To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Router and httpd? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id QAA02766 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all. I'm wondering if it's suitable to run a 486 as a router and in the same box have a webserver, mailserver and nameserver.. I'm plan to use it in a small network. Best Regards, Jakob Alvermark ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 17:20:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA07520 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07511 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA23999 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:20:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA21576 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:17:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:17:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > A similar thing was written by Olaf Someone fro Linux. Big 13 Chapter > handbook. Later turned into a book. Would it be worth approaching him > for permission to rewrite it for FreeBSD? No. It wasn't that well done of a book, IMHO. It would be better to write one from scratch rather that risk leaving Linux-isms in there. And a very close second would be to start by writing a series of standalon HowTo documents for FreeBSD and then later rewrite that into a book. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 18:45:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12438 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyc1.glci.net ([208.195.244.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12419 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bill (int1.int.glci.net [192.168.1.2]) by cyc1.glci.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA28353; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:43:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701250243.VAA28353@cyc1.glci.net> From: "Bill Desjardins" To: "Das Devaraj" , Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:39:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got the "Complete FreeBSD" The book is just the WC FreeBSD book with some more man pages in it! I don't reccomend it and wish I hadn't ordered it. Save some money and type this: man topic or man -k keyword That does it for me:) =========================================== Bill Desjardins Global Communications INTERNETworking Corp. Bill@glci.net http://www.glci.net Phone: 508.323.0300 FAX: 508.323.0303 Greater Lowell's Premier Internet services. ---------- : From: Das Devaraj : To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org : Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) : Date: Friday, January 24, 1997 2:10 PM : : On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: : : > On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, HawkeWerks Multimedia wrote: : > > This sounds alot like the (very useful) Linux "How-to's" It's a great idea, : > : > Just what I was thinking. In fact, the Handbook is already there - it : > just needs a few more How-to chapters. : : There is a book ("The Complete FreeBSD") published by Walnut Creek : CDROM for around $30 or so. Anybody who has that book care to make : any comments about it -- specifically does it already answer the : questions about the documentation raised in the current thread? : : Das Devaraj : ------------------------------------------------------------------- : Interested in Vegetarianism? Vegetarian Restaurant Trek : Web http://www.VegInfo.com 712 Bancroft Road #320 : e-mail info@VegInfo.com (subject Help) Walnut Creek, CA 94598 : Interactive Voice/fax Response (510) 256-8420 USA From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 18:54:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13080 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13074 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.172] (ppp-207-104-16-172.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.172]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA26387; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:53:26 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:53:20 -0800 To: alvermark@teligent.se, isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: Router and httpd? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 1:32 AM 1/25/97, Jakob Alvermark wrote: >Hi all. > >I'm wondering if it's suitable to run a 486 as a router and in the same >box have a webserver, mailserver and nameserver.. I'm plan to use it in a >small network. > Sure, but it wont be a speed demon. Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 18:54:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13100 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13095 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA19787 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.172] (ppp-207-104-16-172.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.172]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA26124; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:52:19 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:52:15 -0800 To: andrew@pubnix.net, Joe Mays - freebsd-isp From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 8:18 AM 1/23/97, Andrew Webster wrote: >On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Joe Mays - freebsd-isp wrote: >> >> Starting a basic web server. >> Starting a basic FTP server. >> Starting a basic popmail server. >> Starting a basic news server. > >How to setup a dial-in pool with PPP. > Okay, now that we know what needs to be put in as a basis, should we pawn this off on freebsd-doc or just get them for editing? Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 19:12:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14519 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14509 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA06634; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:12:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:12:25 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: alvermark@teligent.se cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router and httpd? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm wondering if it's suitable to run a 486 as a router and in the same > box have a webserver, mailserver and nameserver.. I'm plan to use it in a > small network. > > Best Regards, > Jakob Alvermark Sure, I am using a 486/66 with the following hardware: - EISA Bus - probably the only reason it is still working! - 32MB ram - Adaptec 1742 HBA - 3 SMC 8013 network cards It does the following things: - Router running gated - web server - smtp/pop host (250 accounts) - name service - home directories for users on 3GB of disk - Has anywhere from 3-10 shell sessions going, some in screen. - Running FreeBSD 2.0 (!) - Yes I need to upgrade it. The load average averages 0.20. My personal opinion on this: Yes the HW is underpowered, yes I've got alot of eggs in one basket (it doesn't do news, doesn't do virtual web service, and it doesn't do dialin - I've got other machines for all that, P133s, yes is needs upgrading. BUT if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 19:59:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15975 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15969 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id PAA20672; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 15:02:08 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 15:02:07 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > No. It wasn't that well done of a book, IMHO. > It would be better to write one from scratch rather that risk leaving > Linux-isms in there. > > And a very close second would be to start by writing a series of standalon > HowTo documents for FreeBSD and then later rewrite that into a book. I think that a set of How-To's would be easier to get going than a whole book. I learnt this when doing my PhD (had to learn *something* from it): A PhD thesis is impossible to write; a Chapter of a PhD thesis is very hard to write; sections of chapters of a PhD thesis are manageable tasks! regards, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 20:01:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16048 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA16038 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from iggy.chaz.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id XAA09298; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:01:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:01:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199701250401.XAA09298@relay2.smtp.psi.net> X-Sender: cmccants@mario.chaz.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Chaz Subject: Re: cheap and good network cards Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone say.... "packet loss"? Spend the few extra bucks, you be a happier person in the long run. - Chaz At 08:50 PM 1/24/97 +0200, Victor Rotanov wrote: >Hi. > >Dont know if this question belongs here, but anyway... > >What cheap and good 10mbit network cards exist that will work both under >freebsd and win95? > >Things like surecom do not work on all systems and 3com is too expensive... > > >thanks, bye. > >vitjok > > * * "Nothing pains some people more than having to think" * - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. * * Chuck McCants - cmccants@chaz.com * From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 20:11:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16362 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16353 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02250; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:10:15 -0800 (PST) To: "Bill Desjardins" cc: "Das Devaraj" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:39:36 EST." <199701250243.VAA28353@cyc1.glci.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:10:15 -0800 Message-ID: <2246.854165415@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I got the "Complete FreeBSD" The book is just the WC FreeBSD book with some > more man pages in it! I don't reccomend it and wish I hadn't ordered it. That wasn't what it was meant to be, but an individual who's no longer with the company made it into the "thin book + man pages" fiasco it is now, and short of suddenly finding more content for it there's not a lot I can do to improve the situation in the short term. If you really do feel it wasn't worth it, PLEASE - contact WC again for a full refund. An unhappy customer is the last thing WC wants, and they'd prefer to refund your money than have you feel you bought something you didn't want. Jordan > Save some money and type this: > > man topic > or > man -k keyword > > That does it for me:) > > =========================================== > Bill Desjardins > Global Communications INTERNETworking Corp. > Bill@glci.net http://www.glci.net > Phone: 508.323.0300 FAX: 508.323.0303 > Greater Lowell's Premier Internet services. > > > ---------- > : From: Das Devaraj > : To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > : Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) > : Date: Friday, January 24, 1997 2:10 PM > : > : On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > : > : > On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, HawkeWerks Multimedia wrote: > : > > This sounds alot like the (very useful) Linux "How-to's" It's a great > idea, > : > > : > Just what I was thinking. In fact, the Handbook is already there - it > : > just needs a few more How-to chapters. > : > : There is a book ("The Complete FreeBSD") published by Walnut Creek > : CDROM for around $30 or so. Anybody who has that book care to make > : any comments about it -- specifically does it already answer the > : questions about the documentation raised in the current thread? > : > : Das Devaraj > : ------------------------------------------------------------------- > : Interested in Vegetarianism? Vegetarian Restaurant Trek > : Web http://www.VegInfo.com 712 Bancroft Road #320 > : e-mail info@VegInfo.com (subject Help) Walnut Creek, CA 94598 > : Interactive Voice/fax Response (510) 256-8420 USA From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 20:18:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16516 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16511 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA04856 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 05:18:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 05:18:19 +0100 (MET) From: Jakob Alvermark Reply-To: alvermark@teligent.se To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router and httpd? In-Reply-To: <199701250112.RAA22760@ijs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id UAA16512 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Jivko Koltchev wrote: > >Hi all. > > > >I'm wondering if it's suitable to run a 486 as a router and in the same > >box have a webserver, mailserver and nameserver.. I'm plan to use it in a > >small network. > > > >Best Regards, > > Jakob Alvermark > > Sure. You should not have any problems doing that > Ok.. what is the difference between 'routed' and 'gated' ? And, can I use the same box to work as a firewall? Thanks in advance Jakob Alvermark ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 20:45:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17379 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@smtp.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17374 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from br05.bentreality.com (br05.bentreality.com [156.46.122.253]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA21041; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:45:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:45:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199701250445.WAA21041@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: jwenger@globaldialog.com X-EUDORA-DEMO: NOT FOR RESALE - 90 DAY DEMONSTRATION COPY X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) From: Jack Wenger Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would think the best route would be to have people write up stuff on whatever topic they choose and send it to a central repository. Then, find a group of technical writers that are willing to edit said topics (maybe college students?). Once the text is legible and lucid, I would volunteer to create a web site out of it. I remember someone volunteered some server space. What we really need is someone to head this project, so everything can go to one place, and there isn't a lot of redundancy. Unfortunately, that type of management isn't my forte. >> >Okay, now that we know what needs to be put in as a basis, should we pawn >this off on freebsd-doc or just get them for editing? > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jack Wenger, Owner Bent Reality Graphics | | info@bentreality.com ^ http://www.bentreality.com | | "Consider it evolution in action" | | 608-233-9571 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 21:24:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18531 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18526 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02412; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:24:07 -0800 (PST) To: Jack Wenger cc: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Startup Docs (Was: News on FreeBSD) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:45:24 CST." <199701250445.WAA21041@msn.globaldialog.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:24:07 -0800 Message-ID: <2408.854169847@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I would think the best route would be to have people write up stuff on > whatever topic they choose and send it to a central repository. Then, find a > group of technical writers that are willing to edit said topics (maybe > college students?). Once the text is legible and lucid, I would volunteer to > create a web site out of it. I remember someone volunteered some server space First off, if people provide the raw content then the docs project will generally be happy to adapt it, though of course docs already written in SGML stand a far greater chance of making it in quickly since some poor docsslave doesn't have to put the markup in afterwards. Still, even ascii is better than nothing. Second, all of this is free to go on www.freebsd.org (perhaps in the tutorials section?) where it will also be mirrored to 22 countries. I think this is about the best coverage that could be expected. Jordan . > > What we really need is someone to head this project, so everything can go to > one place, and there isn't a lot of redundancy. Unfortunately, that type of > management isn't my forte. > > >> > >Okay, now that we know what needs to be put in as a basis, should we pawn > >this off on freebsd-doc or just get them for editing? > > > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > | Jack Wenger, Owner Bent Reality Graphics | > | info@bentreality.com ^ http://www.bentreality.com | > | "Consider it evolution in action" | > | 608-233-9571 | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 24 23:31:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22786 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtest.usit.net (smtest.usit.net [199.1.48.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22781 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from abyss (abyss.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.42]) by smtest.usit.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA13400 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:42:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701250742.CAA13400@smtest.usit.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Troy Settle" To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:49:11 +0000 Subject: When will it end? Reply-to: pitlord@usit.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, it's like really late on a Friday night (I think), and I'm still working (actually, taking a mail break). I can't remember the last day I haven't been worked in the last 9 weeks or so, ever since the area's primary ISP went under. At that time, I was approached by my boss, and he asked me if I wanted to set up an ISP. I looked at him, and said, "Well, I'd love to, but I don't know if I'm ready for such an undertaking." He said, "Well, let's do it on paper, and see what we can come up with." So, we did, and it looked good. Just a bunch of little details to put together into one big project. Since then, I've been in a self-taught crash-course on Network Administration. Sure, I had a basic knowledge of everything needed to get things working, but I was far from "knowing it all" (and still am). To date, I've learned about Cisco routers, Ascend's Max 4004, ADCKentrox's Datasmart SP (something or other), the hazards of using 10base2 ethernet and IDE drives. On the software side, I've learned more than I've wanted about named, sendmail, ftpd, httpd, radiusd, inetd, and a slew of other stuff, including the dangers of not making backups (luckily, damage was constrained to the FS mounted on /usr). There's lots of other stuff I've learned, but I'm on such an overload of information, that I don't know where to begin. But, forget the beginning for a minute, can anyone tell me WHEN IT WILL END? Take it easy everyone, I'll see ya on my next mail break. Troy P.S. The single, most important thing I've learned, is that starting an ISP sounds like fun, but in reality, it's pure hell. Not something for the weekend/evening hobbiest. P.P.S. Thanks to everyone involved with FreeBSD, without you, I wouldn't be going where I'm going today. I still don't know if this thing is going to fly, but if it doesn't, it won't be for lack of effort or support. It'll be a question of business management, which is something I'm not directly involved with. I just get to play with all the neat toys, and pick up a reasonably nice paycheck :) (I wonder if I'd make more with a college education...) --- Network Administrator (learning quickly) iPlus Internet Services (ready for testing) http://www.i-Plus.net (kinda there) From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 01:16:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25697 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from prometeo.prometeo.it (prometeo.prometeo.it [194.21.36.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25669; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from tgioc.prometeo.it (tgioc.prometeo.it [194.21.36.34]) by prometeo.prometeo.it (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24920; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:24:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701250924.KAA24920@prometeo.prometeo.it> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Coi Giovanni" Organization: Prometeo srl To: freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@freeBSD.org Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:23:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: AHA SCSI DAT dump problem Reply-to: Coi_Giovanni@prometeo.it X-Confirm-Reading-To: Coi_Giovanni@prometeo.it X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have a SONY SDT-5200 3.26 tape backup (DAT) which I am trying to run. The SCSI controller is a AHA-1522A (ISA bus) when I try to write on tape (with dump for example) I get the following error messages on console: st0(aic0:5:0): ABORTED COMMAND info:4 asc:4b,0 Data phase error st0(aic0:5:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:14 asc:44,0 Internal target failure st0(aic0:5:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:14 asc:44,0 Internal target failure st0(aic0:5:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:1 asc:44,0 Internal target failure the dump command is dump 0uBbf 2000000 10 /dev/rst0 /dev/wd0a but I try also with dump 0uBbf 2000000 10 /dev/rst0 / whit the same results and this is the output of dump on stderr: DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Jan 22 13:52:54 1997 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/rwd0a (/) to /dev/rst0 DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 15086 tape blocks on 0.01 tape(s). DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] ... error messages on console.... DUMP: End of tape detected DUMP: Closing /dev/rst0 DUMP: Change Volumes: Mount volume #2 DUMP: Is the new volume mounted and ready to go?: ("yes" or "no") I reply no DUMP: Do you want to abort?: ("yes" or "no") I reply yes DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. Note: a) after I run the dump command after signaling DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [reguler files] the system freeze. It do not respond at console, no on other telnet session, no on other vitrual console. After it finish (with error) all return to normal state. b) I have tryed the following command: tar cvf /dev/rst0 /etc and it goes. Then I can run also tar tvf /dev/rst0 and see the correct listing of etc's file. I think it was because there are few data in /etc. c) the _same_ DAT works fine when I connect it to a windows NT 4.0 box (but with a SCSI controller more quick, an PCI Adaptec AHA-2940 d) as you can see from the startup log (below) I have also a SCSI CDROM that work fine (I have copied with success a file of about 10Mbyte from it). Anyone has some suggestions? TIA. Follow my system configuration parameter: --------------------------------------------------------------- controller aic0 at isa? port 0x140 bio irq 10 vector aicintr controller scbus0 at aic0 # Single bus device disk sd0 at scbus0 target 4 unit 0 tape st0 at scbus0 target 5 unit 0 device cd0 at scbus0 target 3 unit 0 options SCSI_DELAY=30 options SCSIDEBUG --------------------------------------------------------------- Follow my startup log ----------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 22 15:56:04 MET 1997 CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) avail memory = 14835712 (14488K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA mono <4 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x340-0x35f irq 5 on isa ed0: address 00:00:1b:3a:c4:88, type NE2000 (16 bit) lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16450 sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16450 aic0 at 0x140-0x15f irq 12 on isa aic0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (aic0:3:0): "NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:501 2.2" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(aic0:3:0): CD-ROM cd present.[328201 x 2048 byte records] (aic0:4:0): "IBM MTA-3230TC2210!B 0" type 7 removable SCSI 2 uk0(aic0:4:0): Unknown (aic0:5:0): "SONY SDT-5200 3.26" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(aic0:5:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x13, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80008000 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 814MB (1667232 sectors), 1654 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): wd1: 515MB (1056384 sectors), 1048 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 765 fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in mcd0: type Mitsumi FX001D, version info: D 2 mcd0 at 0x320-0x323 irq 11 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Prometeo srl - Progetti e Metodologie Informatiche Internet Services Provider Coi Giovanni Voice : +39 (041)5701366 Via Giudecca 15 Fax : +39 (041)5701005 30035 MIRANO (VE) - ITALY e-mail: coi@prometeo.it http://www.prometeo.it From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 01:21:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25881 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA25875 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA31741 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:21:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA25285 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:18:16 -0800 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:18:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router and httpd? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > Ok.. what is the difference between 'routed' and 'gated' ? routed is a pile of garbage and gated is a routing daemon. > And, can I use the same box to work as a firewall? A router forwards packets. A firewall doesn't forward packets. If you think a router with filters installed is a firewall then it will work fine. But I think a firewall should be FreeBSD with packet forwarding disabled and TIS firewalls toolkit or Juniper http://www.obtuse.com installed on it. Squid too for WWW proxy. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 01:36:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA26408 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26402 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.246]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA08869; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id BAA27248; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:35:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:35:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701250935.BAA27248@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: alvermark@teligent.se cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router and httpd? References: <199701250112.RAA22760@ijs.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok.. what is the difference between 'routed' and 'gated' ? Routed is a program that implements the RIP routing protocol. Not exactly state-of-the-art any more. 'gated' is a similar program that implements RIP and many other protocols (varies with the flavor you get). And, can I use the same box to work as a firewall? Sure. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 02:55:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA28434 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28429 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id VAA22132; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:57:28 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:57:27 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: alvermark@teligent.se cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router and httpd? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > Ok.. what is the difference between 'routed' and 'gated' ? In brief, gated is configurable; routed isn't. > And, can I use the same box to work as a firewall? Yes. Build a kernel with IPFIREWALL and IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE man ipfw(1) cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 07:56:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05960 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05954 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA24415; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:59:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970125105622.00a5a460@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:56:25 -0500 To: andrew@pubnix.net From: dennis Subject: Re: Router and httpd? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:12 PM 1/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> I'm wondering if it's suitable to run a 486 as a router and in the same >> box have a webserver, mailserver and nameserver.. I'm plan to use it in a >> small network. >> >> Best Regards, >> Jakob Alvermark > > >Sure, I am using a 486/66 with the following hardware: > - EISA Bus - probably the only reason it is still working! > - 32MB ram > - Adaptec 1742 HBA > - 3 SMC 8013 network cards >It does the following things: > - Router running gated > - web server > - smtp/pop host (250 accounts) > - name service > - home directories for users on 3GB of disk > - Has anywhere from 3-10 shell sessions going, some in screen. > - Running FreeBSD 2.0 (!) - Yes I need to upgrade it. > See http://www.etinc.com/server.htm We have a Pentium, but theres never any load on it. We also use it as a Netware server.....Just upgraded from 2.1.0 to 2.1.6...slightly faster but nothing dramatic. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 07:59:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA06027 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06022 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24434; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:02:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970125105930.00aedcc0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:59:32 -0500 To: Michael Dillon From: dennis Subject: Re: Router and httpd? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:18 AM 1/25/97 -0800, you wrote: >On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > >> Ok.. what is the difference between 'routed' and 'gated' ? > >routed is a pile of garbage and gated is a routing daemon. > >> And, can I use the same box to work as a firewall? > >A router forwards packets. A firewall doesn't forward packets. >If you think a router with filters installed is a firewall then >it will work fine. But I think a firewall should be FreeBSD with packet >forwarding disabled and TIS firewalls toolkit or Juniper >http://www.obtuse.com installed on it. Squid too for WWW proxy. I think the term "firewall" has come to mean way too many things, and what Michael is talking about is different from what the average Joe is happy with. For simple firewalling, the features in FreeBSD are fine... if you're setting up a serious, multi-domain firewall with complex rules, then you may want to try something different. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 10:20:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11268 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11260 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.gds.de (pluto.gds.de [194.77.222.13]) by gds.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA18749 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:20:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701251820.TAA18749@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Gresek" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:19:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Starting PG95 Reply-to: rg@gds.de Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, I am using FreeBSD-3.0 (3.0-970118-SNAP) and Postgres95 (2.0). Almost everything works fine except starting postmaster from within /etc/rc or /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgres.sh. The command is definitely executed but postmaster does not stay as a running process in memory. Started from the command line after the login postmaster is running fine. I believe this is a question for this list than for the PG95-list because the startup did work fine on FreeBSD 2.1.6 and does not now on 3.0. +----- I tried to start PG95 from /etc/rc with this line: /usr/local/postgres95/bin/postmaster & and from /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgres95.sh with these lines #!/bin/sh /usr/local/postgres95/bin/postmaster & Thanks in advance Richard +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ : Plus.Net Internet PoP fuer : Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt & Westerwald : 60596 Frankfurt : Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusnet.de : Fax : +49 69 610238 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 10:27:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11504 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11497 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.14] (ppp-207-104-16-14.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.14]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA22124; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:27:09 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:27:11 -0800 To: Chaz , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: cheap and good network cards Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:01 PM 1/24/97, Chaz wrote: >Can anyone say.... "packet loss"? >Spend the few extra bucks, you be a happier person in the long run. > Im a starving high school student so I didn't have a choice. I picked up a NE2000 Compatible card at a swap meet for 15 dollars and it works! It has never failed in the year and a half that I have had it and the thing that really surprises me is that I hardly ever get any packet loss at all! Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 11:14:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13390 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from superior.truenorth.org (ppp024-sm2.sirius.com [205.134.231.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13382 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.truenorth.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10663; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199701251914.LAA10663@superior.truenorth.org> Subject: Re: cheap and good network cards In-Reply-To: from Eric Harley at "Jan 25, 97 10:27:11 am" To: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:14:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: cmccants@chaz.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: jgrosch@sirius.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >At 11:01 PM 1/24/97, Chaz wrote: >>Can anyone say.... "packet loss"? >>Spend the few extra bucks, you be a happier person in the long run. >> > >Im a starving high school student so I didn't have a choice. I picked up a >NE2000 Compatible card at a swap meet for 15 dollars and it works! It has >never failed in the year and a half that I have had it and the thing that >really surprises me is that I hardly ever get any packet loss at all! > > Eric NCA here in San Francisco has NE2000 clones for $20.00. They work nicely. For a basic network card you can't go wrong. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Laugh while you can, monkey boy ! | FreeBSD 2.1.6 jgrosch@sirius.com | - John Warfin - | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 13:07:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17820 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nimbus.superior.net (root@nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17788 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from exidor@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA21329; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:07:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:07:14 -0500 From: exidor@superior.net (Christopher Masto) To: pitlord@usit.net Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When will it end? References: <199701250742.CAA13400@smtest.usit.net> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199701250742.CAA13400@smtest.usit.net>; from Troy Settle on Jan 25, 1997 01:49:11 +0000 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Troy Settle writes: > There's lots of other stuff I've learned, but I'm on such an > overload of information, that I don't know where to begin. But, > forget the beginning for a minute, can anyone tell me WHEN IT > WILL END? I hate to tell you, but it won't. It only gets worse.. if you're just setting it up, you're lucky. Wait till you're trying to work on the system in between hundreds of tech support calls from people who don't know how to use their computers.. -- Christopher Masto . . . . Superior Net Support: support@superior.net chris@masto.com . . . . . Masto Consulting: info@masto.com On communist, Those found in Congress: Gerald Ford was a communist. - Ronald Reagan in a speech. He later indicated that he meant to say - "Congressman." From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 16:10:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25416 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25404 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA24948; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:13:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:13:13 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Richard Gresek cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting PG95 In-Reply-To: <199701251820.TAA18749@gds.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Richard Gresek wrote: > I am using FreeBSD-3.0 (3.0-970118-SNAP) and Postgres95 (2.0). > > Almost everything works fine except starting postmaster from within > /etc/rc or /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgres.sh. > > The command is definitely executed but postmaster does not stay as a > running process in memory. Started from the command line after the > login postmaster is running fine. > > I believe this is a question for this list than for the PG95-list because > the startup did work fine on FreeBSD 2.1.6 and does not now on 3.0. > +----- > > I tried to start PG95 from /etc/rc with this line: > > /usr/local/postgres95/bin/postmaster & > > and from /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgres95.sh with these lines > > #!/bin/sh > /usr/local/postgres95/bin/postmaster & Did you try postmaster -S option? That will make the daemon lose its controlling tty etc, as with 'sendmail -bd'. I've just struck a problem in building postgres95 under 2.1.5 wherein psql core dumps with a bus error if built with -O, but not if not built with optimizations. Any ideas? regards, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 25 23:46:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24715 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from eternal.dusk.net (root@eternal.dusk.net [207.219.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24695 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from expert@localhost) by eternal.dusk.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA06284 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 03:43:35 -0400 (AST) From: Christian Hochhold Message-Id: <199701260743.DAA06284@eternal.dusk.net> Subject: possible phf exploit? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 03:43:35 -0400 (AST) X-URL: http://www.dusk.net & http://www.vampires.net X-Moto: Live for today and let the future take care of itself X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Evenin' While checking my access logs I came across a few very interesting things.. someone trying to get to the passwd file through pfh. The logs showed the attempted access as being in the following format: /cgi-bin/phf/Q?alias=x%ff/bin/cat%20/etc/passwd I don't run phf (nor have I checked it out per say), however to someone who does know/use phf this might prove interesting. Comments? =) Christian