From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 01:12:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00510 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 01:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from brc.minsk.by ([194.226.121.36]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00487 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 01:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brc.minsk.by (8.8.2/8.8.2) with UUCP id KAA14225 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:55:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from DAVID (david [150.97.0.2]) by wvb.gomel.by (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03668 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:39:01 +0200 (EET) Received: by DAVID with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3777.EBDC71E0@DAVID>; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:49:45 +0200 Message-ID: <01BC3777.EBDC71E0@DAVID> From: David Stickney To: "'FBSD ISP'" Subject: Rmail Error Number 65 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:49:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id BAA00506 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings all, I am running UUCP to get our mail, on a FBSD machine (2.1.5). For no appearent reason, rmail is exiting and putting the message in the failed/system directory. It happens about 1 out of 3 times, regardless of how much mail is in the spool. this is what is in the log, uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:14.07 421) Executing X.brcN0B22 (rmail david@wvb.gomel.by) uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:15.27 421) Executing X.brcN0B23 (rmail david@wvb.gomel.by) uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:15.33 421) ERROR: Execution: Exit status 65 uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:15.33 421) Execution failed (X.brcN0B23) uux brc uucp (1997-03-22 20:05:16.42 429) Queuing rmail russia@aa.net (D.00S8) uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:17.19 421) Executing X.brcN0B24 (rmail david@wvb.gomel.by) uux brc david (1997-03-22 20:30:13.40 470) Queuing rmail civilsoc@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU (D.00S9) then I am politely notified by Message from UUCP on wvb Sat Mar 22 06:03:28 1997 A UUCP execution request failed: rmail david@wvb.gomel.by The request was made by Irene_Pichler@wvi.org The following files have been saved: /var/spool/uucp/.Failed/brc/X./X.brcN0B1U /var/spool/uucp/.Failed/brc/D./D.brcN0B1U I don't have IP so email is my only shot at finding and answer, I have read the BSD system manager's manual but have not found anything.. Thanks, Dave From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 06:59:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA08849 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 06:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from In-Net.inba.fr (arthur.inba.fr [194.51.120.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08844 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 06:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from uther.inba.fr (uther.inba.fr [194.51.120.62]) by In-Net.inba.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10851 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:00:27 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19970323160522.1edf1192@mail.inba.fr> X-Sender: psc@mail.inba.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (16) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:05:34 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Philippe SCHACK Subject: APC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id GAA08845 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there any package to help system administrator to manage Uninteruptible Power Supply like APC ? Thank's -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Vous cherchez un bien immobilier ? consultez http://www.ImmoSearch.inba.fr/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Philippe SCHÄCK IN'NET BORDEAUX-AQUITAINE Tél. : + 33 57.24.18.11 Chauveau - CD 239 Fax : + 33 57.24.18.28 33420 ESPIET E-mail : phschack@inba.fr *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 07:31:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA10061 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tok.qiv.com ([204.214.141.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10055 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id JAA01764; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 09:30:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00258; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 09:16:58 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: acp.qiv.com: jdn owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 09:16:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Jay D. Nelson" To: David Stickney cc: "'FBSD ISP'" Subject: Re: Rmail Error Number 65 In-Reply-To: <01BC3777.EBDC71E0@DAVID> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a guess -- but rmail execs sendmail and sendmail uses system errors -- so: error 65 indicates no route to host (/usr/include/errno.h). Check sendmail's mailertable and/or configuration. Also check your own routing table. Even with no IP, you should have a host route from localhost to localhost. -- Jay On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, David Stickney wrote: ->Greetings all, -> ->I am running UUCP to get our mail, on a FBSD machine (2.1.5). For no appearent reason, rmail is exiting and putting the message in the failed/system directory. It happens about 1 out of 3 times, regardless of how much mail is in the spool. -> ->this is what is in the log, ->uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:14.07 421) Executing X.brcN0B22 (rmail david@wvb.gomel.by) ->uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:15.27 421) Executing X.brcN0B23 (rmail david@wvb.gomel.by) ->uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:15.33 421) ERROR: Execution: Exit status 65 ->uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:15.33 421) Execution failed (X.brcN0B23) ->uux brc uucp (1997-03-22 20:05:16.42 429) Queuing rmail russia@aa.net (D.00S8) ->uuxqt brc daemon (1997-03-22 20:05:17.19 421) Executing X.brcN0B24 (rmail david@wvb.gomel.by) ->uux brc david (1997-03-22 20:30:13.40 470) Queuing rmail civilsoc@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU (D.00S9) -> ->then I am politely notified by -> ->Message from UUCP on wvb Sat Mar 22 06:03:28 1997 -> ->A UUCP execution request failed: -> rmail david@wvb.gomel.by ->The request was made by -> Irene_Pichler@wvi.org ->The following files have been saved: -> /var/spool/uucp/.Failed/brc/X./X.brcN0B1U -> /var/spool/uucp/.Failed/brc/D./D.brcN0B1U -> -> ->I don't have IP so email is my only shot at finding and answer, I have read the BSD system manager's manual but have not found anything.. -> ->Thanks, Dave -> From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 14:14:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02329 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02322 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (uucp1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.26]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id WAA07620 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:12:20 GMT Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id WAA02445; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:01:25 GMT Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by Charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00611 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:37:03 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970323183700.006ad6f8@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:37:00 +0000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: 2.1.7.1 point release now available on ftp.freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 13:54 19/03/97 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >I've also included the changes between 2.1.7 and 2.1.7.1 sources as >gzip'd unidiffs for patch(1) in the src distribution this time, for >the convenience of those who already have 2.1.7 on CD and merely want >to get up to 2.1.7.1 (the patch file is small enough to fit on a 1.2MB >floppy). Those who curious to know exactly what changed in-between >2.1.7 and 2.1.7.1 may also find the diffs to be interesting reading. >See: 2.1.7.1-RELEASE/src/2.1.7-2.1.7.1.diffs.gz As a matter of interest, what do I do after I've run 'patch' on this file in /usr ? Sorry if this is a stupid question. Robin. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 15:42:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10185 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10082 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA15250; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:39:30 -0800 (PST) To: felipe@informador.com.mx cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: maybe craked? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:40:33 +0600." <3333FD71.287B@informador.com.mx> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:39:28 -0800 Message-ID: <15247.859160368@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > hi there all of you. > > I have a pentium box running 2.1.7-Release. > Now, i switched to root and i tried to change permissions for > /usr/bin/su and had the following output: > > chmod: /usr/bin/su: Operation not permitted > > Am i getting crazy or my machine has been cracked???? To put these questions in order: 1. Am I going crazy? 2. Has my machine been cracked? 3. Have I failed to keep up with FreeBSD developments through the mailing lists? The answer is 3. :-) man chflags Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 22:01:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29855 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnai.com (dnai.com [140.174.162.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29848 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by dnai.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02230 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:01:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:01:18 -0800 (PST) From: Dror Matalon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone using Consolidated Servers (hardware) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have at least 10 FreeBSD boxes and keep buying more. Every time we get a new one, in addition to getting the machine itself we need to worry about making sure that it has a port on our remote reboot and our shared console. This is getting messy, and tedious. Looks like "Consolidated Servers" as reviewed in Lantimes' http://www.lantimes.com/usetech/compare/pcconsol.html, could do for our server situation what a Netapp did for our disk situation. Anyone tried to use any of these boxes, or ones like them for FreeBSD. Obviously these are going to be more expensive, but the flexibility and the reliability might make it worthwhile for us. Dror Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 03:23:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA01473 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hook.hepweb.com ([38.208.69.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01462 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [38.208.69.10] (pan.hepweb.com [38.208.69.10]) by hook.hepweb.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id DAA09183 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:26:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703241126.DAA09183@hook.hepweb.com> To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Anti-FIPS Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 03:21:52 -0500 From: "pan@hepweb.com" X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: pan@hepweb.com * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hello again all Now that I have a dedicated FreeBSD box, I need to recover the partitioned portion of my on my ms-dos box. FIPS is a wonderful tool for splitting the dos partitions, but what is the anti-venon for FIPS. (The anti-FIPS, so to speak). I see that there are some expensive commercial products out there for manipulating the FAT. Does anyone know of any free(BSD) equivalent on the 2.1.6 disk? Thanks Pan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 05:24:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07468 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 05:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (sys1.london.uk.psi.net [154.32.108.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07462 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 05:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id NAA06466; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:22:35 GMT Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id NAA06472; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:02:45 GMT Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by Charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA01471; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:32:52 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970324103251.00689f9c@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:32:51 +0000 To: Dennis Groves From: Robin Melville Subject: RE: 2.1.7.1 point release now available on ftp.freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 16:05 23/03/97 -0800, Dennis Groves wrote: >1) cd /usr/src >2) make world > >dennisg Thanks for the tip Dennis. I did try this, only it falls over when it tries to do directory "compat", so I assumed that I'd done the wrong thing... How do I get around this? Thanks for you patience. Robin. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 11:10:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28171 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28165 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from badboy (169-91-111.ipt.aol.com [152.169.91.111]) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA24280 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:06:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199703241906.UAA24280@sax.sax.de> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "(FreeBSD ISP list)" Subject: Re: Serving IE Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:00:24 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To install to a server you need the Internet Explore Administration Kit (IEAK). The file that you down load from Microsofts site is hard coded to only install to the Program Files directory. See http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ieak to register for the IEAK. Scot W. Hetzel Lindsay Williams wrote in article <01bc383f$2bb1d0e0$086c60cb@lin>... > We want to do the same thing with a netware server but IE just won't > install to a server disk. We also have failed with an NT server. We load > everything from the server so can't run IE from a local disk even if we > wanted to. I am damn annoyed that I can't run with IE as I believe it is > the best solution for us as we run office apps. What is worse is that no > one, or any enquiry on knowledge bases, seems able to say anything about > this problem. Perhaps someone somewhere can say how to do it or why it was > made not to install to a server. > > Dick Kulikowski wrote in article > <01bc363f$732b7a40$ba3c8694@RAK4288A.dukepower.com>... > > Is it possible to run IE3.0 for Win95 from an NT server rather than > loading > > it on each pc? > > -- > > Dick Kulikowski > > rakuliko@dpcmail.dukepower.com > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 11:25:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29024 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28989 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from badboy (169-91-111.ipt.aol.com [152.169.91.111]) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA24513 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:24:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199703241924.UAA24513@sax.sax.de> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "(FreeBSD ISP list)" Subject: Re: Serving IE Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:17:51 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry about this post, my mailer screwed up. Scot W. Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 11:28:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29238 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29233 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA28798 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:26:15 GMT Message-ID: <3336D556.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:26:14 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: routing to a dialup network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and freely avaliable too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 12:07:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02108 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smyrno.sol.net (smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01902; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA25364; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:03:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id OAA18596; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:03:52 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703242003.OAA18596@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: reliable modems? To: spork@super-g.com (spork) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 14:03:51 CST Cc: richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "spork" at Jan 13, 97 03:28:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > --> you said: > > > I'd recommend against rack-mount modems. I've used them in the past > > and always wished I hadn't once they get older. Once they get outdated > > single modems can be spread around and used in other places -- rack-mounts > > become large expensive boat-anchors. :-( > > > > Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more > > sense. > > I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 > modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. I've blown circuit > breakers while plugging in new ones. The cube power supplies are very > unreliable, and very innefficient. Nowt to mention that you have no way > of having a modem busy itself out if it stops working. UUNet, PSI, etal. > are all going for the Ascend Max, which when purchased used, is a pretty > good deal. Not to mention they perform well. My sportster (which has > never given me any problems) is dialed into one now, happily talking with > a Rockwell chipset. > > Why do I say all this? I'm in charge of 200 stand alone modems. > Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. I won't even start on the Xylogics > RA4000.... I'm coming in a bit late on this :-) I'm sitting about 30 meters from a room where there are TWELVE HUNDRED Courier modems. A local ISP used a bit of creativity and developed a nifty way to set up arrays of 120 Courier modems, complete with phone, power, and network wiring for the four Portmasters on each array. It's a bit scary to see 120 modems all powered by a single step-down transformer (10 identical racks). The modems kick off a bit of heat, too. On the other hand, it's very easy to debug, and is a relatively inexpensive per-port solution to the problem. It's quite impressive to see a telco demarc for 1200 analog lines. They no longer do this: they are running out of room and are exploring other alternatives. They figure that they can either sell the modems to their users (X2-ready!) or sell complete racks to other startup ISP's. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 12:45:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04543 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04530 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA08725; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:45:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:45:24 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network In-Reply-To: <3336D556.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Have a look at the pedantic ppp primer at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html maybe this will do what you want. Your need 2.2 though. Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:26:14 +0000 > From: Damian Hamill > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: routing to a dialup network > > What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? > > regards > damian > > -- > * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features > * than a Constable landscape, and freely avaliable too!! > * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ > * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 14:29:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14327 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from smyrno.sol.net (smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14321 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA27285; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:28:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id QAA19795; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:28:57 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703242228.QAA19795@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 16:28:55 CST Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3336D556.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> from "Damian Hamill" at Mar 24, 97 07:26:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? > > regards > damian "route add -net .." :-) You can automate this with both iij-ppp and pppd, I believe, although I was never particularly happy with it. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 14:29:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14344 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14338 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA15404; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:43:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:43:13 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network In-Reply-To: <3336D556.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? gated, with static routes. gated will bring the network routes up when the link is present and down when not. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 14:35:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15244 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15216; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA06844; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:23:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Joe Greco cc: spork , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@freeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199703242003.OAA18596@solaria.sol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm sitting about 30 meters from a room where there are TWELVE HUNDRED > Courier modems. A local ISP used a bit of creativity and developed a > nifty way to set up arrays of 120 Courier modems, complete with phone, > power, and network wiring for the four Portmasters on each array. > It's a bit scary to see 120 modems all powered by a single step-down > transformer (10 identical racks). The modems kick off a bit of heat, > too. On the other hand, it's very easy to debug, and is a relatively > inexpensive per-port solution to the problem. We are doing the exact same thing. I think they are cooler looking with a big old transformer do it all. > It's quite impressive to see a telco demarc for 1200 analog lines. That I would like to see, but I will stick with all the fiber lines. -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 14:41:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15838 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smyrno.sol.net (smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15784; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA27373; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:40:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id QAA19919; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:40:43 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703242240.QAA19919@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: reliable modems? To: stefan@exis.net (Stefan Molnar) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 16:40:41 CST Cc: spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@freeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Stefan Molnar" at Mar 24, 97 05:23:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm sitting about 30 meters from a room where there are TWELVE HUNDRED > > Courier modems. A local ISP used a bit of creativity and developed a > > nifty way to set up arrays of 120 Courier modems, complete with phone, > > power, and network wiring for the four Portmasters on each array. > > > It's a bit scary to see 120 modems all powered by a single step-down > > transformer (10 identical racks). The modems kick off a bit of heat, > > too. On the other hand, it's very easy to debug, and is a relatively > > inexpensive per-port solution to the problem. > > We are doing the exact same thing. I think they are cooler looking with > a big old transformer do it all. More chance for carnage if anything goes wrong, though. :-) > > It's quite impressive to see a telco demarc for 1200 analog lines. > > That I would like to see, but I will stick with all the fiber lines. You need copper for standard Couriers. (However, the local telco long ago gave up trying to provide copper, they buried a LiteSpan 2000 in the back room... so there's only 50 feet of copper between the modems and telco equipment). ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 15:28:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18963 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18958; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id SAA07149; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:16:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Joe Greco cc: spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@freeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199703242240.QAA19919@solaria.sol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > More chance for carnage if anything goes wrong, though. :-) True, not they have not yet. !%> > You need copper for standard Couriers. (However, the local telco long > ago gave up trying to provide copper, they buried a LiteSpan 2000 in the > back room... so there's only 50 feet of copper between the modems and > telco equipment). I know, Ma bell tossed in a LiteSpan as well, but the ringer moduals can overload. That hurts. But all the fiber for the longhauls are fun to look at. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 15:33:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19327 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from kirk.edmweb.com (kirk.edmweb.com [204.244.190.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19322 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluesmoke.edmweb.com (steve@bluesmoke.edmweb.com [204.244.190.8]) by kirk.edmweb.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23156; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:33:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703242333.PAA23156@kirk.edmweb.com> To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:26:14 GMT." <3336D556.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:32:07 -0800 From: Steve Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? I think it depends on what you want... I have a small network of only two machines connected via PLIP, one machine has a modem. I just use ip-up and ip-down scripts on the remote server to add/delete route and arp entries for my network when I connect/disconnect. This works well for small networks, but I expect it wouldn't scale very well. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 15:51:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20914 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20907 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA23305 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:51:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01190 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:46:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:46:49 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network In-Reply-To: <199703242228.QAA19795@solaria.sol.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Joe Greco wrote: > You can automate this with both iij-ppp and pppd, I believe, although I > was never particularly happy with it. This is what I use for my net connection and it keeps the route in place. /usr/sbin/pppd defaultroute mru 576 connect '/usr/bin/chat -f /root/junction.chat' /dev/cuaa1 57600 Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 18:32:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01522 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01465; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA16496 ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA07728; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:22:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:22:24 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: Joe Greco , spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199703250114.UAA06420@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Of course going through all those extra CODECs in the Lightspan/SLIC sort > of defeats most of the benifits of having all that fancy digital transmission > hardware. You're gonna need digital facilities at the ISP end to > have any chance at all at having any of the 56K modem stuff work. I never said that the PRI lines go threw the Lightspan, that is the realm of the other racks Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 18:33:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01747 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01710 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA16413 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA04244; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:18:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19970324171847.08324@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:18:47 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network References: <3336D556.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> <199703242228.QAA19795@solaria.sol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64_p3-9,11-13,16-17,20-23,25-27 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco scribbled this message on Mar 24: > > What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? > > > > regards > > damian > > "route add -net .." :-) > > You can automate this with both iij-ppp and pppd, I believe, although I > was never particularly happy with it. actually... with pppd it doesn't support adding a network route... but I happen to have patches to pppd that will allow the adding of a net route... but I've switched to gated in favor of my patches... ttyl... -- John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 18:34:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02007 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01981; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA16386 ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA06420; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:14:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703250114.UAA06420@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Stefan Molnar cc: Joe Greco , spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: reliable modems? References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:16:14 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:14:32 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > You need copper for standard Couriers. (However, the local telco long > > ago gave up trying to provide copper, they buried a LiteSpan 2000 in the > > back room... so there's only 50 feet of copper between the modems and > > telco equipment). > > I know, Ma bell tossed in a LiteSpan as well, but the ringer moduals can > overload. That hurts. But all the fiber for the longhauls are fun to > look at. Of course going through all those extra CODECs in the Lightspan/SLIC sort of defeats most of the benifits of having all that fancy digital transmission hardware. You're gonna need digital facilities at the ISP end to have any chance at all at having any of the 56K modem stuff work. louie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 00:12:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA26941 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from public3.bta.net.cn (public3.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26933 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from wujie (pm1-12.bta.net.cn [202.96.32.140]) by public3.bta.net.cn (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAB03975 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:11:08 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <333757CB.6B2@poboxes.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:42:51 +0800 From: wujie@poboxes.com Reply-To: wujie@poboxes.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: There are so many directories! What's the +++ Minimal +++ download requirements to install FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am a novice. I find there are so many directories and files on the FTP site. I think I will try to install for several times to get experience of different system configurations, such as one hard disk, two hard disks with a wholely empty one, two hard disks whithout anyone being empty, etc. I'd like to only download the "MINIMAL" parts for install in order not to waste my time. Would anybody kindly tell me about that? Thank you for your help. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 02:30:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA03689 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA03680 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01067; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:27:32 GMT Message-ID: <3337A893.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:27:31 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Perry CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Perry wrote: > > Have a look at the pedantic ppp primer at > http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html > > maybe this will do what you want. Your need 2.2 though. > > Andrew Perry > andrew@shoal.net.au > > On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:26:14 +0000 > > From: Damian Hamill > > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > Subject: routing to a dialup network > > > > What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? Thanks Andrew, but that's the easy bit. I was asking the question from the point of view of the ISP providing routing to a customers network over a dialup ppp link. regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and freely avaliable too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 05:06:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA10712 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com (Absinthe.stonos.washington.dc.us [206.27.237.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10705 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA19211; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:04:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703251304.IAA19211@absinthe.i3inc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: absinthe.i3inc.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu, jmg@hydrogen.nike.efn.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:18:47 -0800" References: <19970324171847.08324@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:04:40 -0500 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:18:47 -0800 John-Mark Gurney wrote: jmg> actually... with pppd it doesn't support adding a network jmg> route... but I happen to have patches to pppd that will allow jmg> the adding of a net route... but I've switched to gated in favor jmg> of my patches... Could some of you folks who use gated post your gated.conf file? I've beaten my head against it and kina gotten it to work, despite the www docs (no explanation, just syntax) and lack of books (covers old version). What I need it to do is route to my /28 subnet once my PPP link comes up, like ether 206.27.236.230/28 (my subnet) ppp 206.27.236.x -> 206.27.236.x++ (dynamically assigned) with appropriate subnet masks. Some examples would really help. Thanks. jmg> Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 05:17:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA11178 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11169 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA11257; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:16:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19970325051609.27152@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:16:09 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Chris Shenton Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network References: <19970324171847.08324@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <199703251304.IAA19211@absinthe.i3inc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=CT7hxwcZjrkORqDW X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <199703251304.IAA19211@absinthe.i3inc.com>; from Chris Shenton on Tue, Mar 25, 1997 at 08:04:40AM -0500 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --CT7hxwcZjrkORqDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris Shenton scribbled this message on Mar 25: > On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:18:47 -0800 > John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > jmg> actually... with pppd it doesn't support adding a network > jmg> route... but I happen to have patches to pppd that will allow > jmg> the adding of a net route... but I've switched to gated in favor > jmg> of my patches... > > Could some of you folks who use gated post your gated.conf file? I've > beaten my head against it and kina gotten it to work, despite the www > docs (no explanation, just syntax) and lack of books (covers old > version). > > What I need it to do is route to my /28 subnet once my PPP link comes > up, like > > ether 206.27.236.230/28 (my subnet) > ppp 206.27.236.x -> 206.27.236.x++ (dynamically assigned) > > > with appropriate subnet masks. > > Some examples would really help. Thanks. sure... attached is the gated.conf file that I use on my diskless terminal server... it currently only routes for one remote subnet... and has a default route through another slip link... also note that I am using the reserved addresses are the other end of the link is slirp which does the automatic rewriting of the packets... hope this helps... and also.. I'm not a gated expert either... but this works for me... ttyl... -- John-Mark Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) --CT7hxwcZjrkORqDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gated.conf" options gendefault gateway 192.168.0.1 ; rip yes { interface sl noripin ripout ; interface ppp noripin ripout ; interface ed ripin ripout ; sourcegateways 192.168.0.1; }; static { 192.168.3.0 mask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.3.1; default gateway 128.223.170.28; }; import proto rip { default; ALL; }; export proto rip { proto static ; proto direct ; proto rip ; }; --CT7hxwcZjrkORqDW-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 05:31:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA11913 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from destiny.waverider.co.uk (destiny.waverider.co.uk [194.207.28.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11904 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from zephania.waverider.net.uk (zephania.waverider.net.uk [194.207.28.99]) by destiny.waverider.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA12408 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:27:50 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970325132349.007f1200@waverider.net.uk> X-Sender: andyc@waverider.net.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:23:53 +0000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Andy Cowan Subject: Bitsurfer Pro & Annex [Off Topic] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I know it's a bit off-topic, but with the long running thread we had about annex's recently, I think someone here must know the answer to this one. Anyone using Motorola Bitsurfer Pros and Annex 4000 successfully? Care to share your init strings? Andy Andy Cowan Tel: 01564 795888 Technical Director Fax: 01564 795177 Wave Rider Internet plc http://www.waverider.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 06:04:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA13466 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.intercenter.net (mir.intercenter.net [207.211.128.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA13461 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25020 invoked from network); 25 Mar 1997 14:04:27 -0000 Received: from bigboy.intercenter.net (207.211.128.17) by mir.intercenter.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 1997 14:04:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bickers To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 2.2-RELEASE and 2.2.1-RELEASE appear to be missing from ftp.freebsd.org. Why? Also, why 2.2.1 so quickly after 2.2? I looked through the readme's of 2.2.1 yesterday and it didn't indicate. --- Ron From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 06:51:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA15897 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15889 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA04615; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:53:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703251453.GAA04615@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ron Bickers cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:04:27 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:53:22 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >2.2-RELEASE and 2.2.1-RELEASE appear to be missing from ftp.freebsd.org. >Why? Also, why 2.2.1 so quickly after 2.2? I looked through the readme's >of 2.2.1 yesterday and it didn't indicate. There were some serious problems; the (real) 2.2.1 will be available soon. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 07:13:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17407 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:13:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from obiwan.aceonline.com.au (obiwan.aceonline.com.au [203.103.90.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.aceonline.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04035; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:10:10 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:10:09 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing to a dialup network In-Reply-To: <3337A893.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:26:14 +0000 > > > From: Damian Hamill > > > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > > Subject: routing to a dialup network > > > > > > What's the best way of routing to a network over dialup ppp ? > > Thanks Andrew, but that's the easy bit. I was asking the question from > the point of view of the ISP providing routing to a customers network > over a dialup ppp link. > I just run a script in /etc/ppp/ip-up which checks for the IP of whats being brought up, and if it matches, it sets up the static route. Note this is a linux script, there isn't any reason why it won't work in FreeBSD (except you have to "fix" up the route lines). Hope this helps, Adrian Chadd -- Begin #! /bin/sh # This assigns the IP of whatever is being brought up in ppp to $RIP. RIP=$5 # Ignore this bit, this is just for some pedantic logging. :) /etc/ppp/ppplog UP $2 " %6s %12s %s" $1 $2 $5 >>/etc/ppp/logins /etc/ppp/ipup $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 # Here is the important bits. case $RIP in # Add route for Rod 203.19.29.20) /sbin/route add 203.19.29.20 gw 203.19.29.3 $1 ;; # Add route for Trevor 203.19.29.34) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.0 netmask 255.255.255.252 $1 ;; # Add route for AISWA 203.19.29.40) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.128 netmask 255.255.255.224 $1 ;; # Add route for Cybertown 203.19.29.41) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.40 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 ;; # Add route for Consultech 203.19.29.42) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.32 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.24 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 ;; # Add route for Terminator Technologies 203.19.29.39) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.96 netmask 255.255.255.224 $1 ;; # Add route for Adrian 203.19.29.37) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.56 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 ;; # Add route for Sapient 203.19.29.35) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.8 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 ;; # Add route for Mike Stokfams sbunet 203.19.29.45) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.64 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 ;; # Add route for cybertown 203.19.29.41) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.40 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 ;; 203.19.29.50) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.72 netmask 255.255.255.248 $1 ;; # Add route to intra - 6-Mar-97 203.19.29.17) /sbin/route add -net 203.19.28.16 netmask 255.255.255.252 $1 ;; esac From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 09:51:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26938 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26931 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25588 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:53:17 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:53:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Bonding (?) for modem lines ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got a customer who wants to use two modems to connect to us. Now, to make life easy for me I'm happy putting the modems in this here FreeBSD machine, however, he want's to do something like ISDN bonding with these modem ppp lines. This is something I wasn't aware was possible (unless it's all packet level and two links, which sounds unlikely?). Anyway, apparently NT 4.0 supports this now (it's not in windows 95), so does anyone have the slightest idea how to serve this ? (Or where to star digging in the ppp code =) ) Thanks. Steve Roome From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 11:37:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03526 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03518 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA10039; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:37:52 -0800 (PST) To: Ron Bickers cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:04:27 EST." Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:37:52 -0800 Message-ID: <10035.859318672@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You need to subscribe to the announce list (as should everyone here if they don't already). This was all covered in an announcement yesterday. Thanks! Jordan > > 2.2-RELEASE and 2.2.1-RELEASE appear to be missing from ftp.freebsd.org. > Why? Also, why 2.2.1 so quickly after 2.2? I looked through the readme's > of 2.2.1 yesterday and it didn't indicate. > > --- > Ron > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 12:01:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05038 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from white.netsurf.net (White.NetSurf.Net [204.92.236.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04995 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from beltrix.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by white.netsurf.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with UUCP id OAA04597 for isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:30:13 -0500 Received: by beltrix.guild.org (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 25 Mar 97 14:20:17 EST for isp@freebsd.org Received: by belsys.com (rnr) via rnr; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:13:33 EST To: isp@freebsd.org X-Original-Article-From: David Greenman Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? From: peters@belsys.com (Peter Sleggs) Message-ID: <970325.141333.5D8.rnr.w165w@belsys.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:13:33 EST In-Reply-To: <199703251453.GAA04615@root.com> Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp. Mississauga, ONT Canada X-Newsreader: rnr v2.21 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>2.2-RELEASE and 2.2.1-RELEASE appear to be missing from ftp.freebsd.org. >>Why? Also, why 2.2.1 so quickly after 2.2? I looked through the readme's >>of 2.2.1 yesterday and it didn't indicate. > > There were some serious problems; the (real) 2.2.1 will be available > soon. Any idea when a 2.2.1 CDROM will be available ? -- Peter Sleggs VA3SLE Bellatrix Systems Corp. peters@belsys.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 13:20:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10180 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10170 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10612; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:20:05 -0800 (PST) To: peters@belsys.com (Peter Sleggs) cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:13:33 EST." <970325.141333.5D8.rnr.w165w@belsys.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:20:04 -0800 Message-ID: <10608.859324804@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Probably around 14 days from now. > >>2.2-RELEASE and 2.2.1-RELEASE appear to be missing from ftp.freebsd.org. > >>Why? Also, why 2.2.1 so quickly after 2.2? I looked through the readme's > >>of 2.2.1 yesterday and it didn't indicate. > > > > There were some serious problems; the (real) 2.2.1 will be available > > soon. > > Any idea when a 2.2.1 CDROM will be available ? > > -- > Peter Sleggs VA3SLE > Bellatrix Systems Corp. > peters@belsys.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 13:35:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11270 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11261 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07013; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:37:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703252137.NAA07013@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: peters@belsys.com (Peter Sleggs) cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:13:33 EST." <970325.141333.5D8.rnr.w165w@belsys.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:37:01 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>2.2-RELEASE and 2.2.1-RELEASE appear to be missing from ftp.freebsd.org. >>>Why? Also, why 2.2.1 so quickly after 2.2? I looked through the readme's >>>of 2.2.1 yesterday and it didn't indicate. >> >> There were some serious problems; the (real) 2.2.1 will be available >> soon. > >Any idea when a 2.2.1 CDROM will be available ? It should be available in about 2 weeks. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 14:32:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15463 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15455 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA21776; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:47:01 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:47:00 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Stephen Roome cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bonding (?) for modem lines ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > > I've got a customer who wants to use two modems to connect to us. > Now, to make life easy for me I'm happy putting the modems in this here > FreeBSD machine, however, he want's to do something like ISDN bonding > with these modem ppp lines. > > This is something I wasn't aware was possible (unless it's all packet > level and two links, which sounds unlikely?). > > Anyway, apparently NT 4.0 supports this now (it's not in windows 95), > so does anyone have the slightest idea how to serve this ? > (Or where to star digging in the ppp code =) ) It is supported by ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/mpd-1.0b.tgz or ftp.freebsd.org:/incoming/mpd-1.0b.tgz It is fantastic when talking to another FreeBSD box with mpd, but does not work reliably with NT. I have had two customers with NT move to FreeBSD to get dual channels working. I have mentioned this problem to Archie Cobbs twice before. regards, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 18:02:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03234 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA03224 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA01752 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:00:42 -0800 Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA12814; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:59:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <19970325175942.12166@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:59:42 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bonding (?) for modem lines ? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: ; from Stephen Roome on Tue, Mar 25, 1997 at 05:53:17PM +0000 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-Url: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Roome scribbled this message on Mar 25: > > I've got a customer who wants to use two modems to connect to us. > Now, to make life easy for me I'm happy putting the modems in this here > FreeBSD machine, however, he want's to do something like ISDN bonding > with these modem ppp lines. yep.. take a look at mpd in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming this should do what you want... > This is something I wasn't aware was possible (unless it's all packet > level and two links, which sounds unlikely?). yep... there is a ppp spec out there to bond multiple ppp connections together... > Anyway, apparently NT 4.0 supports this now (it's not in windows 95), > so does anyone have the slightest idea how to serve this ? > (Or where to star digging in the ppp code =) ) hope this helps... ttyl.. -- John-Mark Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 19:02:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08573 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08567 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cassy@localhost) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11272; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:02:46 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:02:45 -0800 (PST) From: Cassandra Perkins X-Sender: cassy@patty.loop.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Subnetting a Class C Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a class C address that I'm subnetting into two nets, A and B using netmask of 255.255.255.128. I now need to assign 32 addresses from my subnet A block. I would like to place a gateway between those 32 addresses and my subnet A, to allow for separate management. I know that I cannot create an uneven subnet, so does anyone have a suggestion on how I can achieve this separation. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cassandra M. Perkins | People usually get what's coming to | | Network Operations | them... unless it's been mailed. | | The Loop Internet Switch Co., LLC | -fortune | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 19:27:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10347 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (root@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10342 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22032; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:30:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:30:38 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Ron Bickers , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? In-Reply-To: <10035.859318672@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone please send me the announcement? I got bounced from all the lists when our link went down the other day. thanks in advance Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > You need to subscribe to the announce list (as should everyone here > if they don't already). This was all covered in an announcement > yesterday. > > Thanks! > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 19:43:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11251 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11242 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA23126; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:58:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:58:16 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Cassandra Perkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subnetting a Class C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Cassandra Perkins wrote: > I have a class C address that I'm subnetting into two nets, A and B using > netmask of 255.255.255.128. I now need to assign 32 addresses from my > subnet A block. I would like to place a gateway between those 32 > addresses and my subnet A, to allow for separate management. I know that > I cannot create an uneven subnet, so does anyone have a suggestion on how > I can achieve this separation. Why are you splitting into 2 x 128? Do you really have 128 hosts on the same piece of wire? Basically, if you want to have a subnet of 32 hosts, you *must* split a 128 into 2 x 64, then split one 64 into 2 x 32. You can put two subnets on the same piece of wire, but it is ugly, and packets from one to the other still have to go via a router. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 20:48:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14315 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA14310 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id WAA02931; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:50:21 -0600 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002844; Wed Mar 26 04:49:50 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970325224241.006e75b4@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:42:41 -0600 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:20 PM 3/25/97 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Probably around 14 days from now. How fast do you press them out. I get the subscription, but it seems to take a while before I get it. Around 6-8 weeks. With the number of server I maintain it does mean that I hit your server a bit more than I'd care to. Not to mention it takes longer. 8-( Thanks, ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 21:26:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16245 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16237 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA04505 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:26:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA02203 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:20:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:20:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subnetting a Class C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > I have a class C address that I'm subnetting into two nets, A and B using > Why are you splitting into 2 x 128? Do you really have 128 hosts on the Just read this http://www.3com.com/nsc/501302.html entitled Understanding IP Addressing: Everything You Ever Wanted To Know ANd then read this one too http://www.internic.net/rfc/rfc1878.txt in order to get the netmasks right. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 21:31:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16507 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16502 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA23583; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:46:04 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:46:03 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970325224241.006e75b4@mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 01:20 PM 3/25/97 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >Probably around 14 days from now. > > How fast do you press them out. I get the subscription, but it seems to > take a while before I get it. Around 6-8 weeks. > > With the number of server I maintain it does mean that I hit your server a > bit more than I'd care to. Not to mention it takes longer. 8-( Get a 200 MB hard disk configured as an anonymous ftp server and run a portable mirror. 200MB will give you the distrib and your favourite packages. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 21:59:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18597 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:59:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18588 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id AAA09313; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:00:30 -0600 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma008791; Wed Mar 26 06:00:09 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970325235259.00d34b18@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:53:00 -0600 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:46 PM 3/26/97 +1100, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: >Get a 200 MB hard disk configured as an anonymous ftp server and run a >portable mirror. 200MB will give you the distrib and your favourite packages. Guess I need sleep. Still I wonder about the CD. 8-) ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 22:14:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19119 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19096; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id AAA23046; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:13:37 -0600 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma023033; Wed Mar 26 06:13:34 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970326000624.00c56938@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:06:25 -0600 To: Stefan Molnar From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: reliable modems? Cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , Joe Greco , spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:22 PM 3/24/97 -0500, Stefan Molnar wrote: > >> Of course going through all those extra CODECs in the Lightspan/SLIC sort >> of defeats most of the benifits of having all that fancy digital transmission >> hardware. You're gonna need digital facilities at the ISP end to >> have any chance at all at having any of the 56K modem stuff work. > >I never said that the PRI lines go threw the Lightspan, that is the realm >of the other racks Not sure you sent the original, but and D-A conversion before the line goes analog to the customer will render 56K analog null and void. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 22:16:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19272 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19267 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA10320; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:17:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703260617.WAA10320@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.1-RELEASE - what/where? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:42:41 CST." <3.0.32.19970325224241.006e75b4@mixcom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:17:51 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >At 01:20 PM 3/25/97 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >>Probably around 14 days from now. > >How fast do you press them out. I get the subscription, but it seems to >take a while before I get it. Around 6-8 weeks. > >With the number of server I maintain it does mean that I hit your server a >bit more than I'd care to. Not to mention it takes longer. 8-( There were some large delays for the 2.1.6 CDROM due to the release being just before Christmas (the busiest time of year for CDROM manufacture). The lead times were 3-4 weeks and I seem to also recall that there was another delay due to the artwork not being completed. These shouldn't be problems for the 2.2 release. In general, there should only be about a week or less delay after the CDs come in until they are all shipped. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 02:18:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA01122 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:18:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from netwood.net (montwood.netwood.net [206.117.183.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA01113 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:18:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703261018.CAA01113@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from [206.117.183.70] by netwood.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id A6F81880206; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:14:16 -0800 From: "Jonas Fornander" To: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:14:16 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 06:15:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA10452 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from www (quicklink.com [204.32.218.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA10443 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from troll (dialup-006.quicklink.com) by www (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08427; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:14:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970326141450.00a7b26c@quicklink.com> X-Sender: jody@quicklink.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:14:50 -0500 To: owner-freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org From: Joel Kelmenson Subject: unsubscribe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 06:52:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA12854 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA12820 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA28033; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:51:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id IAA06504; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:51:55 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703261451.IAA06504@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: reliable modems? To: sysop@mixcom.com (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 8:51:53 CST Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970326005401.00d3fa14@mixcom.com> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at Mar 26, 97 00:54:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At 05:23 PM 3/24/97 -0500, Stefan Molnar wrote: > >> I'm sitting about 30 meters from a room where there are TWELVE HUNDRED > >> Courier modems. A local ISP used a bit of creativity and developed a > >> nifty way to set up arrays of 120 Courier modems, complete with phone, > >> power, and network wiring for the four Portmasters on each array. > > Imagine the cacohphony if they all had live speakers. They are M1, the Couriers have a convenient slider volume control (and have, for at least a decade) :-) It's nice and easy to piddle with any particular modem, listen to it answer calls, plug a phone into its backside, or stick a busyout clip into it. I was present once, before they were on UPS's, when the power flickered for a second. The sound of 1000-odd relays clicking was quite impressive, it was sort of like applause for a half a second. > >> It's quite impressive to see a telco demarc for 1200 analog lines. > > I think the VA center in Milwaukee beats that out. Regardless, I wouldn't > want to have to rewire either. Yes, but the VA isn't exactly an ISP. I've seen much larger telco rooms too, but consider how big the VA, UWM, MU, etc are. Show me a building that's only a few thousand square feet that has an average of greater than one line per square foot :-) > >That I would like to see, but I will stick with all the fiber lines. > > If Joe was referring to ExecPC, I should have a picture somewhere (or he > might) from the live cam the used to show on the web page. No... and I think Exec-PC's "cambot" died about a year ago. At one point, they even had a virtual walkthrough of the building, but that was ancient history. If you have a picture handy, post a URL... I suppose I could ask Exec if they have an image available. The modem room has been used as a background for television interviews and stuff, and has even been in an APC UPS brochure at one point. Somebody's gotta have a picture. > I'll 2nd you on the fiber and we have a 2nd fiber feed coming in real soon. > > Personally I can't wait to have all the analog dial-ins go away, as I sit > less than 8 feet from the channel banks. The only good thing is I can tell > an endless ringing. Or wait a few years, and it will all be a nonissue... this facet of the business should hopefully be just about dead by the turn of the century. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 07:26:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA15523 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15516; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28200; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:26:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id JAA06807; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:26:29 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703261526.JAA06807@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: reliable modems? To: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 9:26:27 CST Cc: stefan@exis.net, spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@freeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703250114.UAA06420@whizzo.transsys.com> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at Mar 24, 97 08:14:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Of course going through all those extra CODECs in the Lightspan/SLIC sort > of defeats most of the benifits of having all that fancy digital transmission > hardware. You're gonna need digital facilities at the ISP end to > have any chance at all at having any of the 56K modem stuff work. Not everyone is interested in 56K support (the LiteSpan has T1 cards available, in any case). ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 07:38:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16719 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16710; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA17785; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:40:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:40:03 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , Joe Greco , spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970326000624.00c56938@mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Not sure you sent the original, but and D-A conversion before the line goes > analog to the customer will render 56K analog null and void. I am well aware of that. And I did not bring up 56k in this thread. The PRI lines are for the PM3s that have the ablity to do so the 56k junk on our side. The rest is upto bell and gte. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 08:02:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA18936 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18895; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA17826; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:49:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Joe Greco cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , spork@super-g.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@freeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@freeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199703261526.JAA06807@solaria.sol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Not everyone is interested in 56K support (the LiteSpan has T1 cards > available, in any case). We had that, but with much complaining bell brought in a fugitsu rack just for the T1s and PRIs. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 09:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29493 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from premier1.premier.net (root@premier1.premier.net [204.178.176.23]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29466 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawke (ts7054.dialup.premier.net [206.124.198.54]) by premier1.premier.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29975 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:45:59 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970326114322.00a313a0@192.0.2.2> X-Sender: hawke#207.55.131.114@192.0.2.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:43:22 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: HawkeWerks Multimedia Subject: Problems with apache and 3.0-SNAP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running into a wierd problem with Apache in 3.0-970209-SNAP I've got 10 IP's aliased to vx0, a 3Com 3c-590 Ethernet, and I have 9 Virtual Domains set up in Apache, all but the last one works fine, and yet there are no discrepancies in the directive. all are Identical. Also, I note a very wierd ?problem? in that I cannot ping any of the virtual hosts on the box. Yet they work in web services, Even more strange, the last domain recieved SEVERAL days worth of traffic before stopping, and now I recieve an error "Document contains no data" when trying to access the site. Any ideas? TIA Lloyd Duhon Hawke http://www.hawkewerks.com/ hawke@hawkewerks.com PGP Mail Preferred! -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQBNAzJ9SkAAAAECANxvu4wZLgc/igkNRcANpiSxFHn3IdDULwyQY1oG3ktdSnEq v0XMMN4gOKmYKRK1Zxg9PGP8UyRouzWJFa14D2EABRG0LEhhd2tlV2Vya3MgTXVs dGltZWRpYSA8aGF3a2VAaGF3a2V3ZXJrcy5jb20+iQBVAwUQMn1KiLs1iRWteA9h AQHqWQIAzUD6GYD6YR7UURHZrooIb5pD3c4T4pNT7SEVFMmmB+AV9yq1pBHoK6Mf sKjCy2QhQEEdL1+rOSnmuUZIMJpkNw== =3L3b -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 10:10:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03454 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03438 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08326 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:08:06 GMT Message-ID: <33396605.31DFF4F5@cablenet.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:08:05 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: routing to dialup a network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With regards to my query about routing to a dialup network my thanks go to those who responded, especially Daniel O Callaghan danny@panda.hilink.com.au who very kindly sent me some example gated config files. After a bit of pondering I think I've got a better idea of what I need to do now. 1) I'm going to add and delete routes in the ip-up/ip-down scripts using a customer specific script which is passwd as ipparam to pppd as a filter identifier and comes from the customer's radius entry. So that sorts out the adding a delteing of routes on the terminal server. 2) I'm going to run gated on the terminal server which I assume will advertise the routes as they are added by the script. 3) I'm going to change my network topology so that the term servers are on an independent network from the other machines and run gated on the router between the two nets, with static routes to this network on the other machines. With this configuration I believe that I can have any number of terminal servers on the terminal server network and the two instances of gated will sort out the dynamic routing. The reason behind this is to cut down on the number of instances of gated on the network. Is this a sensible solution ? regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and freely avaliable too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 26 14:43:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05990 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05973 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA27687; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:57:49 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:57:48 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: routing to dialup a network In-Reply-To: <33396605.31DFF4F5@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > With regards to my query about routing to a dialup network my thanks go > to those who responded, especially > > Daniel O'Callaghan danny@panda.hilink.com.au Thank you for your kind words. > who very kindly sent me some example gated config files. > > After a bit of pondering I think I've got a better idea of what I need > to do now. > > 1) I'm going to add and delete routes in the ip-up/ip-down scripts > using a customer specific script which is passwd as ipparam to pppd as a > filter identifier and comes from the customer's radius entry. So that > sorts out the adding a delteing of routes on the terminal server. If the customer has a static IP address for their end of the ppp link, you don't need to add the routes with the up/down scripts. Simply declare the route in gated static{} clause and gated will add the route, delete it, and advertise its correct status. > 2) I'm going to run gated on the terminal server which I assume will > advertise the routes as they are added by the script. It will advertise the routes listed in static{} > 3) I'm going to change my network topology so that the term servers are > on an independent network from the other machines and run gated on the > router between the two nets, with static routes to this network on the > other machines. This does make for fewer headaches. Cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 00:35:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA13077 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from babel.enteract.com (babel.enteract.com [206.54.252.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13072 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4207 invoked from network); 27 Mar 1997 08:35:56 -0000 Received: from enteract.com (mrfoine@206.54.252.1) by babel.enteract.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1997 08:35:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 02:35:54 -0600 (CST) From: Wayne Baety To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Damian Hamill , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: routing to dialup a network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > > > With regards to my query about routing to a dialup network my thanks go > > to those who responded, especially > > > > Daniel O'Callaghan danny@panda.hilink.com.au > > Thank you for your kind words. > > > who very kindly sent me some example gated config files. ummm could u send some my way? thanx :> specfically im trying to route over a dialup static IP via ISDN using the bisdn package....is this even possible?? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 00:43:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA14394 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from xs1.simplex.nl (xs1.simplex.NL [193.78.46.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14381 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rob@localhost) by xs1.simplex.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5-RS) id JAA01938; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:41:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:41:03 +0100 (MET) From: Rob Simons Message-Id: <199703270841.JAA01938@xs1.simplex.nl> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: term server Cc: rob@xs1.simplex.nl Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm looking into combined ISDN/analog access solutions and wonder what the general opinion is on the matter. I've heard good things about the Ascend MAX 4000 as well as about the Livingston Portmaster solutions. Which of these is considered to be the best choice for an ISP, and what do I need to provide ISDN/analog access to my (mainly FreeBSD) network ? (we currently use modems directly on one FreeBSD machine, and a sepparate ISDN access router from Gandalf) You can email me directly, and I will post the outcome back to the list. - Rob. /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ /* Rob Simons | rob@simplex.nl *\ /* ------------ | ------------- | -------- | ------- *\ /* Novell Netware System Operator | UNIX system operator *\ /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 09:54:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03026 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02985 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id EAA03581 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA12047; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:45:18 GMT Message-ID: <333A6BDD.41C67EA6@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:45:17 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Simons CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: term server References: <199703270841.JAA01938@xs1.simplex.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rob Simons wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking into combined ISDN/analog access solutions and wonder > what the general opinion is on the matter. > I've heard good things about the Ascend MAX 4000 as well as about > the Livingston Portmaster solutions. > > Which of these is considered to be the best choice for an ISP, and > what do I need to provide ISDN/analog access to my (mainly FreeBSD) > network ? (we currently use modems directly on one FreeBSD machine, > and a sepparate ISDN access router from Gandalf) I got an "Ascend Max v Livingston PM3" sheet from a distributor recently (written by Ascend). One of the things mentioned as a major weakness of the PM3 was the following; quote; Limited routed protocol support. PM3 does not support RIP2, which allows ISPs to support VLSM. Without support for VLSM ISPs cannot segment or concatenate Class C address subscribers. Also, no support for OSPF (in beta) or BGP is provided. These features are required, especially by ISPs. endquote; But until you get your hands on both of them and compare the two products in the field who can tell. regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and very cheap too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 10:01:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02317 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02257 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA04220 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id JAA29170; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:04:02 -0600 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029129; Thu Mar 27 15:03:33 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970327085602.00ba6758@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:56:03 -0600 To: Rob Simons From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: term server Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, rob@xs1.simplex.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:41 AM 3/27/97 +0100, Rob Simons wrote: >I'm looking into combined ISDN/analog access solutions and wonder >what the general opinion is on the matter. >I've heard good things about the Ascend MAX 4000 as well as about >the Livingston Portmaster solutions. > >Which of these is considered to be the best choice for an ISP, and >what do I need to provide ISDN/analog access to my (mainly FreeBSD) >network ? (we currently use modems directly on one FreeBSD machine, >and a sepparate ISDN access router from Gandalf) What I would check first is what you will pay for PRI vs BRI (12), which seems to be a deciding factor for many, as this is a recurring cost. You do not want the 4000, which is outdated and a waste, the 4004 is cheaper. Of course they will give you a "good deal" for the outdated version. For pure ISDN the PM3 from Livingston is clearly a winner PM3-2T = ~$5700 4004 = ~$14000 (or was it more, I forget and threw out my figures) Even if you do mixed analog/ISDN then the PM3 is only $17K loaded. The have an excellent leasing program, which is open ended and you own the equipment at the end of the lease. Try to find another solution for $350/port. One disadvantage is no STAC, but coming soon, and 56KFlex support will be behind USR's X2, which we decided to not bother with. Support is excellent, even on the mailing list there are many helpful hands. Guess you could say I don't have much good to say about Ascend, they never returned calls on a sales lead for a few tech questions and they called me 3 or 4 times for sales too! The PM3 is a work of art, IMHO. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 11:42:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14092 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14082 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA24879; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:40:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:40:13 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Magee To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Adding secondary ip block Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've just added a secondary block of ip addresses from my ISP. These addresses are for virtual web hosting, which I do now. The router has been configured to handle it, but how do I setup the new block as aliases? Currently, to setup an alias for my initial address block I use: ifconfig ed0 alias 207.86.2.xxx netmask 0xffffffff route add 207.86.2.xxx 127.0.0.1 This has been working fine, but how are the routes to the new block which is 209.48.24.xxx/26 handled? I'm using FreeBSD 2.1.5 release. Thanks in advance, Sam Magee smagee@adsight.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 12:01:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16404 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nimbus.superior.net (root@nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16362 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from exidor@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.8.5/8.8.5-RB) id PAA10313; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:01:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19970327150103.ME26945@@> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:01:03 -0500 From: exidor@superior.net (Christopher Masto) To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) Cc: rob@xs1.simplex.nl (Rob Simons), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: term server References: <199703270841.JAA01938@xs1.simplex.nl> <333A6BDD.41C67EA6@cablenet.net> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <333A6BDD.41C67EA6@cablenet.net>; from Damian Hamill on Mar 27, 1997 12:45:17 +0000 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Damian Hamill writes: > I got an "Ascend Max v Livingston PM3" sheet from a distributor recently > (written by Ascend). One of the things mentioned as a major weakness of > the PM3 was the following; > > Limited routed protocol support. PM3 does not support RIP2, which > allows ISPs to support VLSM. Without support for VLSM ISPs cannot > segment or concatenate Class C address subscribers. Also, no support > for OSPF (in beta) or BGP is provided. These features are required, > especially by ISPs. > > But until you get your hands on both of them and compare the two > products in the field who can tell. Sounds like marketing hype to me.. particularly claiming that ISPs require BGP in a term server. OSPF comes in handy sometimes if you're trying to be route-environmentally conscious.. which would explain why it's supported and has a chapter in the manual. Just a satisfied PortMaster user.. who made the decision not to go with Ascend when they calling Livingston a "fly-by-night company" at Internet World. -- Christopher Masto . . . . chris@masto.com . . . . . Masto Consulting: info@masto.com On the Future, Where it is: It's a question of wheather we're going to go forward into the future, or past to the back. - Vice President Dan Quale. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 12:43:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20366 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20358 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA10422; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:45:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970327153018.00aa5600@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:30:18 -0500 To: Damian Hamill , Rob Simons From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: term server Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <333A6BDD.41C67EA6@cablenet.net> References: <199703270841.JAA01938@xs1.simplex.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:45 PM 3/27/97 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: >Rob Simons wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking into combined ISDN/analog access solutions and wonder >> what the general opinion is on the matter. >> I've heard good things about the Ascend MAX 4000 as well as about >> the Livingston Portmaster solutions. >> >> Which of these is considered to be the best choice for an ISP, and >> what do I need to provide ISDN/analog access to my (mainly FreeBSD) >> network ? (we currently use modems directly on one FreeBSD machine, >> and a sepparate ISDN access router from Gandalf) > >I got an "Ascend Max v Livingston PM3" sheet from a distributor recently >(written by Ascend). One of the things mentioned as a major weakness of >the PM3 was the following; > >quote; > >Limited routed protocol support. PM3 does not support RIP2, which >allows ISPs to support VLSM. Without support for VLSM ISPs cannot >segment or concatenate Class C address subscribers. Also, no support >for OSPF (in beta) or BGP is provided. These features are required, >especially by ISPs. > I have both PM2e's and a PM3 and they do support Variable Length Subnet Masks.. We use them all the time. Check out http://www.livingston.com/Tech/Docs/Release/release35o.shtml With version 3.5 OSPF *IS* supported... Not a beta... Also, I am not sure why you would want your terminal server doing BGP... Thats what routers are for. If I recall, the price per port on the livingston box is cheaper than the equivalant MAX... Search through the livingston mailling list archives for a livingston product comparison... You can get it off their home page. ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 12:48:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20763 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20758 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA18846 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:48:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:48:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: term server In-Reply-To: <333A6BDD.41C67EA6@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I got an "Ascend Max v Livingston PM3" sheet from a distributor recently > (written by Ascend). One of the things mentioned as a major weakness of > the PM3 was the following; > > quote; > > Limited routed protocol support. PM3 does not support RIP2, which > allows ISPs to support VLSM. Without support for VLSM ISPs cannot > segment or concatenate Class C address subscribers. Also, no support > for OSPF (in beta) or BGP is provided. These features are required, > especially by ISPs. > > endquote; The OSPF code from Livingston is released, so the stuff about being unable to do VLSM is no longer true. As for BGP, it would be grossly incompetent engineering to use it on your access servers anyway. I think it is reason enough to go with Livingston because of Ascend's overzealous marketing department. Maybe if they stopped spamming me, calling me every two weeks, and sending me junk mail, I would look at their products. (But probably not :) Seriously, the PM3 looks very nice and we will probably be purchasing a few of them. Can't beat its price/port either. pbd From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 13:32:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24636 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA24608 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id PAA12619; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:33:08 -0600 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma012598; Thu Mar 27 21:32:52 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970327152514.00c109f4@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:25:15 -0600 To: Damian Hamill From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: term server Cc: Rob Simons , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:45 PM 3/27/97 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: >Rob Simons wrote: >I got an "Ascend Max v Livingston PM3" sheet from a distributor recently >(written by Ascend). One of the things mentioned as a major weakness of >the PM3 was the following; Just one? Seem to get more and more, last batch - 5 copies, at least by mail. >quote; > >Limited routed protocol support. PM3 does not support RIP2, which >allows ISPs to support VLSM. Without support for VLSM ISPs cannot >segment or concatenate Class C address subscribers. Also, no support >for OSPF (in beta) or BGP is provided. These features are required, >especially by ISPs. > >endquote; This is twisted and old. VLSM and OSPF are real, BGP is in beta. Never used Ascend, but hear that LV's OSPF works and Ascend's is flakey. Of course some don't like the way they did do some things, but it works beautifully for most. My view is that some know quite a lot about OSPF and want 100% control over it. The segmenting or concatenate being a problem, is not true even with just RIP and no OSPF or VLSM. What is RADIUS framed-route for $1? >But until you get your hands on both of them and compare the two >products in the field who can tell. True, but others here can do this. Typical bashing lit. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 13:55:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26761 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26756; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id LAA07460; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:55:20 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703272155.LAA07460@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: NFS quotas and mail spools To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:55:20 -1000 (HST) From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know the status of being able to handle quota's over NFS? We have a mail machine here that has user quotas and recently we have put users on a seperate machine. Since NFS doesnt support quota's this seems to have the possibility of completly wiping out mailboxes if the user is over quota. Any thoughts on how to handle this better? Thanks, -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 14:48:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00283 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com (Absinthe.stonos.washington.dc.us [206.27.237.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00276 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA00500; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:46:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703272246.RAA00500@absinthe.i3inc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: absinthe.i3inc.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: sysop@mixcom.com Cc: rob@xs1.simplex.nl, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: term server In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:56:03 -0600" References: <3.0.32.19970327085602.00ba6758@mixcom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:46:23 -0500 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I installed a PM2 (my first) at an ISP, and an Ascend Max 4004 (also my first) at NASA/HQ (my day job). If I were to start an ISP tomorrow, I'd buy a PM*3* in a heartbeat, even though I haven't played with one yet. On the down-side, the PM2 docs were painful: discussion of PMconsole setup and admin, but no ref for command line config; they've come out with new docs, so hopefully this has been remedied. But the machine (PM2) seems sound, the firmware robust, and the price per port -- especially for the PM3 -- quite good. The Max is obviously a more complex beast than the PM*2*, with PRIs and such. What gets me is the high cost and the almost *daily* firmware "incremental" releases, "patch" releases, and actual "release" releases. I am very disappointed with their SW engineering and quality control. Ours was rebooting every 8 hours until a recently firmware release fixed the bug. A bug in their RADIUS daemon prevented us from doing password expiration *and* idle timeout for many months until a recent release of that. It's real hard to keep track of the patches/incrementals when they come out so often -- and frequently introduce more insidious problems. Livingston SW releases seem much more controlled and careful. I like that in a production environment. Both have excellent on-line techies: Megazone for Livingston, and Kevin Smith for Ascend. Real heroes when you need 'em. But bang per buck and stability-wise, I'd go PM3. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 15:01:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00950 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com (Absinthe.stonos.washington.dc.us [206.27.237.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00944 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id SAA00541 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:00:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703272300.SAA00541@absinthe.i3inc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: absinthe.i3inc.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Caching news proxy? X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:00:15 -0500 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Our small ISP doesn't want to run a news-server due to administrative overhead, hardware investment, and bandwidth consumption. Our upstream provider will let us read from them for a fee-per-connection. So maybe we order 10 simultaneous connections. But Netscape reads news by opening up a bunch of connections at once to the same server, preventing others after our max connections are used. Other concerns about more users than news connections prevail of course. Seems to me if I had a news proxy it would only consume one connection to our news provider. If it cached retrieved articles -- and there was any semblance of coherence in our subscribers' reading habits -- we could save significant bandwidth to our upstream provider. Any thoughts? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 15:02:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00969 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00964 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA09213; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:01:50 -0800 (PST) To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Rob Simons , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: term server In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:56:03 CST." <3.0.32.19970327085602.00ba6758@mixcom.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:01:49 -0800 Message-ID: <9210.859503709@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The PM3 is a work of art, IMHO. Then it must be from a totally different group that did the PM2r - that one is a work of.. Of.. Words fail me. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 15:38:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03252 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03245 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id RAA26743; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:40:00 -0600 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026728; Thu Mar 27 23:39:42 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970327173202.00c11928@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:32:03 -0600 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: term server Cc: Rob Simons , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 03:01 PM 3/27/97 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> The PM3 is a work of art, IMHO. > >Then it must be from a totally different group that did the >PM2r - that one is a work of.. Of.. Words fail me. :-) Never had the (dis)pleasure. It seemed that all the bugs surfaced in the R's, but some believe in using a router to route. ;-) Currenly a thread going on the list about IRX-211 and 2 T1 feeds, specifically high packet/bandwidth. This I asked about and never got an answer. 2501 is it, for customers (our end) and 7206 for main. The OR-HS is nice for customer ends, but better now at $700. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 17:55:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11647 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from perky.gothic.net.au (root@perky.gothic.net.au [203.33.20.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11638 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (sean@localhost) by perky.gothic.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA11176; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:54:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:54:42 +1100 (EST) From: Sean Winn To: Chris Shenton cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Caching news proxy? In-Reply-To: <199703272300.SAA00541@absinthe.i3inc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You might investigate proff's nntpcache...ftp.nntpcache.org. -- Sean Winn email: sean@gothic.net.au, sean@cynet.net.au All opinions valued at $0.02, and not subject to inflation. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 18:53:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14104 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bullfrog.ecp.net (raistlin@bullfrog.ecp.net [204.246.64.212]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14099; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (raistlin@localhost) by bullfrog.ecp.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00190; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:53:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:53:04 -0600 (CST) From: Justen Stepka To: David Langford cc: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS quotas and mail spools In-Reply-To: <199703272155.LAA07460@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, David Langford wrote: > Does anyone know the status of being able to handle quota's over NFS? > > We have a mail machine here that has user quotas and recently we have > put users on a seperate machine. Since NFS doesnt support quota's > this seems to have the possibility of completly wiping out mailboxes if the > user is over quota. NFS does support quota's... rquotad is the daemon that you'll need to use.. I using 3.0c and I'm not sure what version before this have this supported. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 27 20:17:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17881 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17876 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA04802; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:34:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:34:28 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Sam Magee cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding secondary ip block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Sam Magee wrote: > I've just added a secondary block of ip addresses from my ISP. > These addresses are for virtual web hosting, which I do now. > The router has been configured to handle it, but how do I > setup the new block as aliases? > > Currently, to setup an alias for my initial address block I use: > > ifconfig ed0 alias 207.86.2.xxx netmask 0xffffffff > route add 207.86.2.xxx 127.0.0.1 > > This has been working fine, but how are the routes to the new block > which is 209.48.24.xxx/26 handled? I'm sure this is in the handbook. If it isn't, it should be. ifconfig lo0 209.48.24.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias ; route add 209.48.24.1 \ 127.0.0.1 .... ifconfig lo0 209.48.24.62 netmask 0xffffffff alias ; route add 209.48.24.62 \ 127.0.0.1 On the router add a route to the FreeBSD box for the subnet. > I'm using 2.1.5 You should upgrade to 2.1.7.1 for lots of security reasons. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 28 04:23:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA08304 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.euronet.nl (mail.euronet.nl [194.134.0.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA08299 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fax-server (i022.asd.euronet.nl [194.134.9.182]) by mail.euronet.nl (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11745 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:22:52 +0100 (MET) Received: by fax-server with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3B7A.891F25A0@fax-server>; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:18:33 +-100 Message-ID: <01BC3B7A.891F25A0@fax-server> From: Rob van Oostveen To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: DSA Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:18:29 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm planning on implementing FreeBSD on a Dell PowerEdge dual Pentium 166 system (spare system.. I know this might be some overkill for Web and POP3/SMTP services to begin with) The disk controller is a Dell SCSI Array (DSA) which is a RAID 5 controller of Dell. I't possible to emulate AHA1540 for each harddisk connected or if I want RAID 5 support I need a DSA driver. There is an available DSA driver for SCO. But I doubt this driver will work properly under FreeBSD. Does anyone know if a DSA driver excists for FreeBSD ? Thanks for any comments/suggestions in advance ! It will be well appreciated. Rob van Oostveen oostveen@euronet.nl From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 28 08:43:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19689 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19682 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA16996; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:42:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:42:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703281642.JAA16996@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sam Magee Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding secondary ip block In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've just added a secondary block of ip addresses from my ISP. > These addresses are for virtual web hosting, which I do now. > The router has been configured to handle it, but how do I > setup the new block as aliases? Set them up. ... > This has been working fine, but how are the routes to the new block > which is 209.48.24.xxx/26 handled? That's a function of 'routed' or explicit routing instructions. You're ISP needs to route them to your network, which needs to route them to your virtual hosting machine. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 28 10:27:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25212 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25198 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12219; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:34:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:23:02 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Rob Simons , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: term server In-Reply-To: <9210.859503709@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > The PM3 is a work of art, IMHO. > > Then it must be from a totally different group that did the > PM2r - that one is a work of.. Of.. Words fail me. :-) Hrm. Besides the completely USELESS manuals, the 4 PM2ER's were using are working great... +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 28 14:03:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06825 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.intercenter.net (mir.intercenter.net [207.211.128.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06815 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9217 invoked from network); 28 Mar 1997 22:03:35 -0000 Received: from bigboy.intercenter.net (207.211.128.17) by mir.intercenter.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 1997 22:03:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bickers To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: poppassd-4.0 port not working Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've just installed a clean FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE and the poppassd-4.0 port. It is hanging at waitpid() when I run it directly and returning a 500 Unable to change password error when run from inetd. I've added the necessary NIS strings since they aren't in the port, so I've covered that base. Anyone have a working port? --- Ron From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 28 14:45:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08755 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uunet.ca (mail2.uunet.ca [142.77.1.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08741 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from why.whine.com ([205.150.249.1]) by mail2.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <123373-15451>; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:44:47 -0500 Received: from why (why [205.150.249.1]) by why.whine.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04495; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:44:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:44:14 -0500 From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: Rob Simons cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: term server In-Reply-To: <199703270841.JAA01938@xs1.simplex.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The Cisco AS5200 is an excellent product, performs much better than the Ascend Max's and has access to any routing protocol (RIP, RIPv2, OSPF, BGP, IGRP, EIGRP, ISIS). Runs standard Cisco IOS and is a dream to work with. One problem with them is their RADIUS support is kind of poor, TACACS works well thou and they are continuing to develop RADIUS. It does both ISDN and Analog when you install modems in it. (Get the managed modems, not the cheap ones). Andrew On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Rob Simons wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking into combined ISDN/analog access solutions and wonder > what the general opinion is on the matter. > I've heard good things about the Ascend MAX 4000 as well as about > the Livingston Portmaster solutions. > > Which of these is considered to be the best choice for an ISP, and > what do I need to provide ISDN/analog access to my (mainly FreeBSD) > network ? (we currently use modems directly on one FreeBSD machine, > and a sepparate ISDN access router from Gandalf) > > You can email me directly, and I will post the outcome back to the > list. > > - Rob. > > /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ > /* Rob Simons | rob@simplex.nl *\ > /* ------------ | ------------- | -------- | ------- *\ > /* Novell Netware System Operator | UNIX system operator *\ > /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 29 22:37:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA10860 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on16-20.netcom.ca [207.181.85.84]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10854; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA03933; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 01:37:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 01:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS-L , FREEBSD-ISP-L cc: Randy Terbush Subject: "interfaces" patch to BIND (was Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7) In-Reply-To: <199703212028.KAA03319@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A few people asked me about the "interfaces" patch for BIND 4.9.5. It allows you to specify which particular IP's you want named to listen on, instead of all available interfaces. This is useful if you are running BIND on a server handling a lot of virtual Web sites. The location of the patch is at: http://www.ultra.net/~jzp/andrews.patch.txt -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 29 23:13:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA12358 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12348; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id VAA01023; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 21:13:47 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703300713.VAA01023@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: "interfaces" patch to BIND (was Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7) In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 30, 97 01:37:33 am" To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 21:13:47 -1000 (HST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, randy@zyzzyva.com From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any reasons that we cant add something like this to the default named? I assume that if you dont have an "interface" line that it acts nomrally. Thanks, -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com > A few people asked me about the "interfaces" patch for BIND 4.9.5. >It allows you to specify which particular IP's you want named to >listen on, instead of all available interfaces. This is useful if you >are running BIND on a server handling a lot of virtual Web sites. > > The location of the patch is at: > >http://www.ultra.net/~jzp/andrews.patch.txt > >-- >Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) >"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 29 23:32:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA13359 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on16-20.netcom.ca [207.181.85.84]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13354; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA04100; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 02:32:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 02:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: David Langford cc: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS-L , FREEBSD-ISP-L Subject: Re: "interfaces" patch to BIND (was Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7) In-Reply-To: <199703300713.VAA01023@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 29 Mar 1997, David Langford wrote: > > Any reasons that we cant add something like this to the default > named? I assume that if you dont have an "interface" line that it > acts nomrally. Right. There is also another patch that adds the "permnets" directive. It allows you to specify which physical interfaces will respond to DNS queries (like on a firewall). It complements the xfernets directive (which restricts zone transfers). http://www.ers.ibm.com/~davy/software/bind.html -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"