From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 7 02:13:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA09721 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 02:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from packfish.gateway.net.hk (root@packfish.gateway.net.hk [202.76.19.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA09716 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 02:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from packfish.gateway.net.hk (bmf@packfish.gateway.net.hk [202.76.19.16]) by packfish.gateway.net.hk (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02143; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:16:09 +0800 (HKT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:16:08 +0800 (HKT) From: Bo Fussing To: Michael Roark cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qmail v. sendmail In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970906155223.0069ff38@bulloch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael, We run a mailing list of about 850+ subscribers using qmail 1.01 and Majordomo 1.94. One of the nicest things about qmail being used with a mailing list is the rolling back on the frequency of mail send retries as the messages get older in the queue. This contrasts with sendmail that will flush its whole mail queue at a predefined time bringing the machine to its knees if you are getting a lot of bounces or delivery errors. Overall qmail is small and fast, see www.qmail.org for further info. As an alterternative you might have a look at ezmlm as a an alternative to majordomo, though having no direct experience with it, the active qmail mailing list speaks pretty highly of it. Please feel free to contact me direct if you need help in setting up Majordomo under qmail. Bo On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Michael Roark wrote: > Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 15:52:23 -0400 > From: Michael Roark > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: qmail v. sendmail > > I am currently setting up one of our 'closet' machines, an old 486/33 > w/16mb of ram, to serve as a Majordomo machine. I want to get as much > performance out of the machine as possible (though my expectations aren't > very high). My question: does anyone out there have any input on qmail? I > am considering dumping Sendmail for qmail (partially as an experiment), and > running Majordomo for the lists. Thought the project is down on the > priority foodchain, I don't want to waste my time with an avoidable mistake. > > Any input/suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thank you in advance, > > Michael Roark > > Systems Administrator > Simply Digital > v. 912.842.9168 > f. 912.842.9130 > Gateway Internet - Hong Kong Tel : +852 2963 7354 MIME & PGP Mailing OK Fax : +852 2963 7353 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 7 16:27:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17283 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from artorius.sunflower.com (artorius.sunflower.com [24.124.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17277 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by artorius.sunflower.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01766; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:27:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:27:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Stephen D. Spencer" To: Jason McKay cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bulk Mail In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970904100343.00679c30@webace.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk An option that I used was to use a perl script to pull user id's from /etc/passwd and construct a simple "mail < notice" command with a 4 second sleep between each user id. Granted, it isn't the most elegant or (I imagine) the most efficient way to do it; however, it gets the job done and doesn't cause sendmail on our mail server to puke. -Stephen Spencer Administrator Sunflower Datavision Lawrence, KS On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Jason McKay wrote: > How do I make is possible for me to mail all my users. The only thing is, > its very important that they can not see the addresses of the other users > (ie. in the cc line). > > - Jason > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 7 19:21:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA27190 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liveoak.priori.net (qmailr@liveoak.priori.net [209.104.193.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA27183 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3036 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1997 05:07:29 -0000 Received: from bluegum.priori.net (HELO ?209.104.193.33?) (209.104.193.33) by liveoak.priori.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 1997 05:07:29 -0000 X-Sender: michael@209.104.193.13 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970906155223.0069ff38@bulloch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:26:35 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Michael Dillon Subject: Re: qmail v. sendmail Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I am currently setting up one of our 'closet' machines, an old 486/33 >w/16mb of ram, to serve as a Majordomo machine. I want to get as much >performance out of the machine as possible (though my expectations aren't >very high). Obviously not considering that Majordomo is written in PERL. > My question: does anyone out there have any input on qmail? I >am considering dumping Sendmail for qmail Oh my God! Expectations are dropping lower by the minute. Qmail is great stuff, in fact I run qmail for our inhouse company mail here, but it is the worst mailer to use for a mailing list machine. Try zmailer instead if performance is what you want. And dump Majordomo. Instead install procmail and use it with Smartlist. That will perform very nicely on a 486 machine. ******************************************************** Michael Dillon voice: +1-650-482-2840 Senior Systems Architect fax: +1-650-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." ******************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 8 05:30:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA27115 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from br01.acw-web.com (www.acw-web.com [156.46.248.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA27110 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from br02 (br02.acw-web.com [156.46.248.99]) by br01.acw-web.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA03644 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:29:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970908072955.009537b0@acw-web.com> X-Sender: jwenger@acw-web.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 07:29:55 -0500 To: FreeBSD ISP list From: Jack Wenger Subject: Strange Error Mesg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been getting the following message, and for the life of me can't figure it out. br01 kernel log messages: > sd0(ahc0:0:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:c418f asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault sks:80,1 > , retries:4 I think it's my harddrive, but so far everything is still ok. I know this isn't ISP related, but I'm not subscribed to fbsd-questions, and I'm a little worried. I host websites that I design and use this box as my web server, and have about 12 websites on it. Bent Reality Graphics = Fine Web Design! Jack Wenger, Owner info@bentreality.com http://www.bentreality.com/ 1-888-701-1026 or 1-608-233-8571 fax 1-608-233-1941 Madison, Wi 53705 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 8 05:40:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA27981 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA27974; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA12027; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:40:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Cliff Addy To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Quota system is broken? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is the quota system known to be broken? We've tried using it and to say it's unreliable is an understatement. For example, I have several users who are completely unrestrained by quota, despite being set up identically to others where it does work. All the commands, such as repquota, report they *have* a quota, but they can just keep on writing. On others, I can set quotas all I want, the system won't recognize them. And in other accounts, quota reports usages completely wrong, e.g. Disk quotas for user skunk (uid 1045): Filesystem blocks quota limit grace files quota limit grace /usr 127264* 40960 51200 none 325 0 0 /var 2 1024 10240 2 0 0 In reality, this user has over 150 megs in /var and only 35 megs in /usr. Despite being marked as over and no grace left, he can still write in /usr. We're running 2.2.2. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 8 06:46:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA02358 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (qmailr@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA02352 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 06:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2921 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1997 13:46:47 -0000 Received: from kwesi.calyx.net (208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 1997 13:46:47 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970908093731.03659340@calyx.net> X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:37:31 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Nicholas Merrill Subject: Re: qmail v. sendmail In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19970906155223.0069ff38@bulloch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:26 PM 9/7/97 -0700, Michael Dillon wrote: >> My question: does anyone out there have any input on qmail? I >>am considering dumping Sendmail for qmail > >Oh my God! Expectations are dropping lower by the minute. Qmail is great >stuff, in fact I run qmail for our inhouse company mail here, but it is the >worst mailer to use for a mailing list machine. Try zmailer instead if >performance is what you want. I have been running Qmail on my mailing list server since around May with no major snags. For a list processor I am running ListProc 6.0c by Anastasios Kotsikonas. I don't understand why you say that qmail is the worst mailer for use on a mailing list machine. It works great for us! When a message comes in for one of the bigger lists (over 3000 subscribers) it doesn't choke the machine, and in fact it can still do lots of other tasks in the background, like serving web pages etc. Granted the machine I'm running it on is a Pentium 100mHz, not a 486 but I don't see why he shouldn't run qmail on his listserver anyway. Could you back up that statement with some facts Mike? Nick From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 8 08:28:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA06943 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06938 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13144; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Nicholas Merrill cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qmail v. sendmail In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970908093731.03659340@calyx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've found Qmail to be quite efficient on an old and *very slow* (4M memory) MacIIx running NetBSD... Sendmail brought it to it's knees everytime I sent out mail, qmail seems a bit more compact. If anyone wants, I have step-by-step generic install instructions I put together... Charles On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Nicholas Merrill wrote: > At 07:26 PM 9/7/97 -0700, Michael Dillon wrote: > > >> My question: does anyone out there have any input on qmail? I > >>am considering dumping Sendmail for qmail > > > >Oh my God! Expectations are dropping lower by the minute. Qmail is great > >stuff, in fact I run qmail for our inhouse company mail here, but it is the > >worst mailer to use for a mailing list machine. Try zmailer instead if > >performance is what you want. > > I have been running Qmail on my mailing list server since around May > with no major snags. > > For a list processor I am running ListProc 6.0c by Anastasios Kotsikonas. > > I don't understand why you say that qmail is the worst mailer for use on > a mailing list machine. It works great for us! > > When a message comes in for one of the bigger lists (over 3000 subscribers) > it doesn't choke the machine, and in fact it can still do lots of other > tasks in the background, like serving web pages etc. > > Granted the machine I'm running it on is a Pentium 100mHz, not a 486 but > I don't see why he shouldn't run qmail on his listserver anyway. Could you > back up that statement with some facts Mike? > > Nick > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 8 10:21:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA13469 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phylon.com (phylon@[207.159.135.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13453 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (ppp-206-170-30-79.hywr01.pacbell.net [206.170.30.79]) by phylon.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05583 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709081824.MAA05583@phylon.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Stephen Buechler" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:23:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Free BSD porting & ISP testing of new call concentrator product Reply-to: stephenb@phylon.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, We are currently seeking an ISP or developer that has an interest in porting drivers for our product to the FreeBSD environment. This product is a high performance, DSP-based multi-channel PCI adapter designed to support a wide variety of communications applications under DOS and Windows NT environments. After drivers have been completed, we will also be seeking ISP's that wish to use this product in their service. The product is called the Chameleon and it provides 48/60 channel processors on a single PCI card, which requires less than 25 watts of total power. The on-board H-MVIP/SCSA interfaces provide communications with a broad range of telephony products, such as PRI cards, etc. It supports V.34+ and is software upgradeable to 56K standards. Each DSP is configured on-the-fly by an on-board Intel i-960 processor, to whatever is required by an incoming call. If ISDN is required, then a DSP is configured to accept an ISDN call. If an analog call comes in, a DSP is configured to accept that type of call. The above mentioned "channels" can provide host all analog calls, all ISDN calls, or a mix of both, depending on what is required at that moment. The density of this product allows for multiple cards to be placed in a simple Windows NT server, requiring far less space than existing rack mounted modem solutions. Per port costs for this product will be roughly 1/4 that of competing products, meaning a tremendous cost savings for ISP's. Once FreeBSD support has been completed, we hope to work with ISP's to test this product and get feedback on its design and performance. Our goal is to build a product that is both cost effective & high performance, and ISP feedback and resources would be very valuable to us in achieving this. If you are interested in helping us with this product, by becoming a field test site for the Chameleon, we can provide the hardware to you. To start with, we would need information on how your ISP network is currently constructed and how our product would integrate with that network. At the end of this field test, we expect to have a product that is fine tuned for the ISP market and hope that you consider using it, as opposed to the expensive rack-mount systems that you probably currently deploy in your network. If you are interested in working with us to port our drivers to FreeBSD, we could provide you with C language interface drivers for the Chameleon board. Currently the Chameleon product has DOS and Windows NT drivers. Once ported, we could make those drivers available to others that wish to use this product. If your are interested in the Chameleon product and would be interested in testing it with us or porting its drivers to FreeBSD, please contact me at "stephenb@phylon.com". Please provide me some information on your company and network setup. If your are intested in the seeing what the hardware looks like and getting some detailed data-sheet information, please check our website at "http://www.phylon.com". You can look at "Server Products" and view either the On-line HTML datasheet for the Chameleon or download a PDF version of it. We plan to conduct our field trial with 4 or 5 ISP's. If we select you as one of those trial ISP's, I will get back to you with more information. Sincerely, Stephen Buechler PC Communications Marketing Phylon Communications, Inc. 44736 Fremont Blvd. Fremont, CA 94538 PHONE: (510) 656-2606 FAX: (510) 656-0902 EMAIL: stephenb@phylon.com WEBSITE: http://www.phylon.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 8 12:15:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27402 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27397 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhaggag.fscorp.com (user-38lc8fp.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.33.249]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00208 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970908151552.00692b30@mindspring.com> X-Sender: funcomputers@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:15:52 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike HAGGAG Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe mikehaggag@@mindspring.com unsubscribe funcomputers@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 8 18:57:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23978 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liveoak.priori.net (qmailr@liveoak.priori.net [209.104.193.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23968 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4293 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1997 01:57:33 -0000 Received: from bluegum.priori.net (HELO ?209.104.193.33?) (209.104.193.33) by liveoak.priori.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 1997 01:57:33 -0000 X-Sender: michael@209.104.193.13 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970908093731.03659340@calyx.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19970906155223.0069ff38@bulloch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:02:17 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Michael Dillon Subject: Re: qmail v. sendmail Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Granted the machine I'm running it on is a Pentium 100mHz, not a 486 but >I don't see why he shouldn't run qmail on his listserver anyway. Could you >back up that statement with some facts Mike? A) A 100 Mhz Pentium is at least 10 times faster than a 486/33 if not moreso. B) qmail does not deliver multiple recipients at the same site efficiently and this is far more likely to be an issue on a mailing list machine than elsewhere. C) zmailer and the procmail/Smartlist combo both have a reputation for performance and efficiency in serving up mailing lists. If learning curve is a problem, then stick with sendmail but use procmail/Smartlist. P.S. I do run a qmail server for internal corporate mail and I do have ezmlm installed to serve some small low volume mailing lists. It's a great combo for an office or even for an ISP who wants to allow their customers to set up their own mailing lists. But for a single purpose mailing list server I would prefer tools that are specifically honed for that job. ******************************************************** Michael Dillon voice: +1-650-482-2840 Senior Systems Architect fax: +1-650-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." ******************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 01:03:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA26632 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA26536 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA22631 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:10:39 GMT Message-ID: <341501CF.13B8@seychelles.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:59:11 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: rmdir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have alot of sub directories and loads of junk under /home/abc. I want to remove all that from /home/abc.....what command can I use without having to emty each directory. rmdir does not help. -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:304060 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 01:46:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA06619 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA06583 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA08130; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:15:31 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970909181531.09104@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:15:31 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: muditha@seychelles.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rmdir References: <341501CF.13B8@seychelles.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <341501CF.13B8@seychelles.net>; from Muditha Gunatilake on Tue, Sep 09, 1997 at 11:59:11AM +0400 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 09, 1997 at 11:59:11AM +0400, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > Hi, > I have alot of sub directories and loads of junk under /home/abc. I want > to remove all that from /home/abc.....what command can I use without > having to emty each directory. rmdir does not help. $ rm -rf /home/abc Careful, it's like a chainsaw without a guard. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 01:49:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA07342 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from support.euronet.nl (support.euronet.nl [194.134.32.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA07313 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sake@localhost) by support.euronet.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA08906; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:43:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Sake Blok Message-Id: <199709090843.KAA08906@support.euronet.nl> Subject: Re: rmdir In-Reply-To: <341501CF.13B8@seychelles.net> from Muditha Gunatilake at "Sep 9, 97 11:59:11 am" To: muditha@seychelles.net Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sake@nl.euro.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I have alot of sub directories and loads of junk under /home/abc. I want > to remove all that from /home/abc.....what command can I use without > having to emty each directory. rmdir does not help. You can remove a whole directory tree with the command rm -r More features of rm can be found with man rm. Please use freebsd-questions for non-ISP-specific freebsd-questions the next time. Sake -- Sake Blok * * EuroNet Internet Client Services Team * * Herengracht 208 - 214 * 1016 BS Amsterdam E-mail: sake@nl.euro.net * Tel: +31 20 625 61 61 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 02:14:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA13604 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 02:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA13528 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 02:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA23464 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:22:15 GMT Message-ID: <34151297.261C@seychelles.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 13:10:47 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rmdir References: <341501CF.13B8@seychelles.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > > Hi, > I have alot of sub directories and loads of junk under /home/abc. I want > to remove all that from /home/abc.....what command can I use without > having to emty each directory. rmdir does not help. Sorry about this question!!! There is someone I am teaching unix to and he has sent this to you while I was out!!! -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:304060 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 03:53:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA00968 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 03:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.nk.ukrtel.net (duke.nk.ukrtel.net [195.5.7.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA00961 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 03:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sergey@localhost) by duke.nk.ukrtel.net (KSerg;v2.2/8.8.7) id MAA00531 for isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:57:06 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 09:57:06 +0000 From: sergey@nk.ukrtel.net (Sergey A. Kovalenko) To: isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Problem with Cyclades multiport card X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I have two problems with Cyclom-16YeP multiport card under FreeBSD 2.2.2. First, my server reboot at random time with unknown reason. And second, I'm observe "silo overflow" error during receiving data at rates 57600 and above, even if only one port of 16 is active. My hardware: - P133 (MB on 430FX chipset), 32M RAM, 2G SCSI IBM-DORS HDD, NCR-810 based SCSI adapter, PCI video card. Cyclom-Y IRQ - 10 SCSI adapter IRQ - 11 PCI video card IRQ - 12. Any ideas? Best wishes, Sergey From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 04:45:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA02976 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saturn.vision.net.au (saturn.vision.net.au [203.17.23.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA02968 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richard.vision.net.au (portA36.vision.net.au [203.17.23.154]) by saturn.vision.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19449 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:45:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3415369A.39E01F56@beyer.wattle.id.au> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:44:27 +1000 From: Richard Beyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IP Address translation. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a port/application for doing IP address translation under FreeBSD? Cheers, Richard. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 04:53:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA03447 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cre8tivegroup.com (abt6.bitwise.net [204.97.222.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA03440 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.255.227.122] by mail.cre8tivegroup.com (SMTPD32-3.04) id A9545D80226; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.0 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <341501CF.13B8@seychelles.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Organization: The Creative Group From: Patrick Gardella To: Muditha Gunatilake Subject: RE: rmdir Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try rm -r /home/abc -r being recusive remove. Patrick On 09-Sep-97 Muditha Gunatilake wrote: >Hi, >I have alot of sub directories and loads of junk under /home/abc. I want >to remove all that from /home/abc.....what command can I use without >having to emty each directory. rmdir does not help. >-- >--------------------- >Muditha Gunatilake >Atlas Seychelles Ltd > >Phone:304060 >email: muditha@seychelles.net > mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk > muditha@creole.seychelles.net >:-) ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Patrick Gardella Date: 09-Sep-97 Time: 07:52:46 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 06:02:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA07127 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA07122 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07321; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:01:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709091301.PAA07321@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "Richard Beyer" Cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 15:01:22 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IP Address translation. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:44:27 +1000, Richard Beyer wrote: >Is there a port/application for doing IP address translation under >FreeBSD? Yes, natd that comes with FreeBSD 2.2.2. _____________________________________________________________ Frode Nordahl | P.B. 2509 Solli | Tel +47 22 20 47 18 Teknisk ansvarlig | 0202 Oslo | Fax +47 22 20 39 19 Computer Tjenester AS | Norway | froden@bigblue.no From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 15:57:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA13032 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.org (port-43.ts1.gnv.fdt.net [205.229.51.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13024 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18271 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:49:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Kryten.nina.org: frankd owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.org To: isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quick question. How do you ISP's with unlimited access dialups deal with users who stay logged on all the time? Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House - anonymous From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 16:25:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA15053 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (ernie@spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15034 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id JAA17651 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:24:52 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199709092324.JAA17651@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: radius server software X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:24:51 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am desperately looking for any reliable radius server software for FreeBSD. I have recently cut over to using 56k USR terminal servers that have to talk to a radius server. I can't find any version that does not crash on FreeBSD. I have tried the Merit and Cistron ports which both crash. The new Merit AAA server looks like it is $2,495 for a single copy licence or $10,000 for a singel source license and I need 3 copies so that is out of my budget. Any only got ANY flavour of radius running reliably in an ISP environment under FreeBSD 2.2.2 ? - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 17:01:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA17130 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from login.bigblue.no (root@login.bigblue.no [194.19.68.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17116 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.bigblue.no (froden@eagle.bigblue.no [194.19.68.13]) by login.bigblue.no (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA29775 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:00:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709100000.CAA29775@login.bigblue.no> From: "Frode Nordahl" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 02:00:55 +0100 Reply-To: "Frode Nordahl" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Junk pointer?? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! I'm experiencing problems with FreeBSD 2.2.2 (2.2-STABLE) and nntplink. My inn errorlog files gets filled with this message: nntplink in free(): warning: junk pointer, too high to make sense. I also experience the same error with ircII when a server refuses to initiate a connection. Before I upgraded to 2.2.2, ircII just crashed. But now I get that junk pointer error instead. Is this some kind of FreeBSD library bug, or can anyone explain to me what's wrong? _____________________________________________________________ Frode Nordahl | P.B. 2509 Solli | Tel +47 22 20 47 18 Teknisk ansvarlig | 0202 Oslo | Fax +47 22 20 39 19 Computer Tjenester AS | Norway | froden@bigblue.no From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 17:24:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18688 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.org (port-43.ts1.gnv.fdt.net [205.229.51.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18680 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18584 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:24:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Kryten.nina.org: frankd owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.org Reply-To: Frank Seltzer To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Limiting users connect time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think that I was too vague with my previous question ( and I forgot a subject line, sorry). What I am after is ISP policy on dealing with a user who stays logged on constantly. Do you: 1. Log them off (and wait for them to redial) 2. Log them off and refuse connection for x minutes/hours 3. Send them email asking them to cut down on their logon time 4. Threaten the user with death and dismemberment 5. Terminate their account 6. Other (please specify) Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House - anonymous From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 17:59:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA20810 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.boisfrancs.qc.ca (mail.boisfrancs.qc.ca [207.253.52.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20801 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liloo (xenub@ppp21.boisfrancs.qc.ca [207.253.52.42]) by mail.boisfrancs.qc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28858 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970909205917.0091a470@boisfrancs.qc.ca> X-Sender: xenub@boisfrancs.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:59:19 -0400 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Louis-Philippe Alain Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi M.Seltzer! Here we have a "tow hours of inactivity" time out. When there's no activity on the line for two consecutive hours, they are disconnected. And we also automaticaly disconnect users who stay connected for 24 hours in a row. A user that is disconnected can reconnect himself immediately after the disconnection. What we have troubles with is users that double-logging in. We have a case that a user was connected 10 times under the same username. The person just pay us for one account and then sold his password to everyone he known! Is there any script that we could use to disallow a user to be logged tow time under the same username? Thanks a lot! Louis-Philippe Alain Internet Bois-Francs At 08:24 PM 9/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >I think that I was too vague with my previous question ( and I forgot a >subject line, sorry). What I am after is ISP policy on dealing with a user >who stays logged on constantly. > >Do you: > >1. Log them off (and wait for them to redial) >2. Log them off and refuse connection for x minutes/hours >3. Send them email asking them to cut down on their logon time >4. Threaten the user with death and dismemberment >5. Terminate their account >6. Other (please specify) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 18:20:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA22219 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-006coauroP02.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22198 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA31653; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:33:27 -0600 Message-ID: <3415F8E7.2F62B6D@denverweb.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 19:33:27 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Seltzer CC: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Frank Seltzer wrote: > > I think that I was too vague with my previous question ( and I forgot a > subject line, sorry). What I am after is ISP policy on dealing with a user > who stays logged on constantly. > > Do you: > > 1. Log them off (and wait for them to redial) > 2. Log them off and refuse connection for x minutes/hours > 3. Send them email asking them to cut down on their logon time > 4. Threaten the user with death and dismemberment > 5. Terminate their account > 6. Other (please specify) > > Frank > -- > Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a > draft dodger sleeps in the White House - anonymous If you are offering "unlimited" use, then that is a part of the bid'ness pardner. Qaulity ISP's may offer a reasonable amount of time, at a reasonable rate, and bill for excess usage. Put yourself in the consumers shoes. If you went to an "all you can eat" restaraunt, and they told you you could not have any more food, you have eaten all they thought you should, how would you feel about it? Some ISP's have policies that state "you must be active at the keyboard", etc.... Which precludes users who want to monitor remote programs, etc. The best policy is not to offer "unlimited" if you don't mean "unlimited". Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 18:25:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA22591 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22585 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21448; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:25:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:25:33 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Frank Seltzer cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Frank Seltzer wrote: > I think that I was too vague with my previous question ( and I forgot a > subject line, sorry). What I am after is ISP policy on dealing with a user > who stays logged on constantly. > > Do you: > > 1. Log them off (and wait for them to redial) > 2. Log them off and refuse connection for x minutes/hours > 3. Send them email asking them to cut down on their logon time > 4. Threaten the user with death and dismemberment > 5. Terminate their account > 6. Other (please specify) What about charging them $5/hour? That stops most people. I have an idle timeout program which works with pppd, but in its current incarnation it does not distinguish between users. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 18:36:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23596 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23589 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mfisher@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11396; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Fisher To: Louis-Philippe Alain cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970909205917.0091a470@boisfrancs.qc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Louis-Philippe Alain wrote: > What we have troubles with is users that double-logging in. We > have a case that a user was connected 10 times under the same username. > The person just pay us for one account and then sold his password to > everyone he known! Is there any script that we could use to disallow a > user to be logged tow time under the same username? You can give them a static IP. Standard Livingston RADIUS doesn't support this now, some other RADIUS implementations do, but the static IP will give them problems enough that they should start to recognize that the connection won't be working when their buddy calls in. -- Mike "I swear - by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." --Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 18:58:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24795 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24789 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id KAA26323 for isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:06:48 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:06:48 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199709101006.KAA26323@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: My server becoming slower and slower! Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, one of my hosts running mail server and xtacacsd will becoming slower and slower once a weak or so, and my another host running httpd and a mud game server will becoming slower and slower once four hours or so. How can I find out why? How to use netstat or systat to check them? When I reboot them, all will be ok. Best regards! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 22:56:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA08666 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mother.sneaker.net.au (akm@mother.sneaker.net.au [203.30.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA08656 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from akm@localhost) by mother.sneaker.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13566; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:03:57 GMT From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199709101603.QAA13566@mother.sneaker.net.au> Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) To: xenub@boisfrancs.qc.ca (Louis-Philippe Alain) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:03:57 +0000 () Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970909205917.0091a470@boisfrancs.qc.ca> from "Louis-Philippe Alain" at Sep 9, 97 08:59:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk +-----[ Louis-Philippe Alain ]------------------------------ | | What we have troubles with is users that double-logging in. We have a case | that a user was connected 10 times under the same username. The person just | pay us for one account and then sold his password to everyone he known! Is | there any script that we could use to disallow a user to be logged tow time | under the same username? Take a look at idled, it resticts the number of sessions, the amount of time you can be logged in, how long before you can log back in again... lots of stuff. I find it most useful. Allows exemptions based on groups login ids now if I could remember where I got it from... when I get home, I'll look through the documentation if noone else posts the URL. -- ,-_|\ SneakerNet | Andrew Milton | GSM: +61(41)6 022 411 / \ P.O. Box 154 | akm@sneaker.net.au | Fax: +61(2) 9746 8233 \_,-._/ N Strathfield +--+----------------------+---+ Ph: +61(2) 9746 8233 v NSW 2137 | Low cost Internet Solutions | From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 23:09:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA09310 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mother.sneaker.net.au (akm@mother.sneaker.net.au [203.30.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA09305 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from akm@localhost) by mother.sneaker.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13695; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:16:34 GMT From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199709101616.QAA13695@mother.sneaker.net.au> Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time To: frankd@yoda.fdt.net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:16:34 +0000 () Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Frank Seltzer" at Sep 9, 97 08:24:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk +-----[ Frank Seltzer ]------------------------------ | | I think that I was too vague with my previous question ( and I forgot a | subject line, sorry). What I am after is ISP policy on dealing with a user | who stays logged on constantly. | | Do you: | | 1. Log them off (and wait for them to redial) | 2. Log them off and refuse connection for x minutes/hours | 3. Send them email asking them to cut down on their logon time | 4. Threaten the user with death and dismemberment | 5. Terminate their account | 6. Other (please specify) We offer flat rate connections with no time limits. However, we do have a "fair go" policy which is that if the modem pool is full then anyone who's been logged in for > 2 hours will be booted with a 5 minute back off. Other than that we don't care how long you stay logged in. Most people are happy with that arrangement (they are told up front). I suppose it depends on how many people you have subscribed per modem. -- ,-_|\ SneakerNet | Andrew Milton | GSM: +61(41)6 022 411 / \ P.O. Box 154 | akm@sneaker.net.au | Fax: +61(2) 9746 8233 \_,-._/ N Strathfield +--+----------------------+---+ Ph: +61(2) 9746 8233 v NSW 2137 | Low cost Internet Solutions | From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 9 23:21:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA10152 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (ernie@spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA10115 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id QAA18246; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:20:12 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199709100620.QAA18246@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Re: radius server software In-Reply-To: <199709100207.TAA09264@ravel.n2.net> from "Dave Smith" at "Sep 9, 97 07:07:51 pm" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: dsmith@n2.net (Dave Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:20:11 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Dave, Your wrote: > > I have a version of Livingston 1.16 running under FreeBSD 2.2.2-stable > and working with a USR Netserver 16/i. I use the "users" file to > keep the info about users. It is not efficient, but it works for a > small number of users. > > It has stayed up for weeks at a time and has always worked for me. I > don't remember if I had to make any changes or not. If you want, I > will tar up a copy and make it available to you. > > Good Luck, > > Dave Smith > dsmith@n2.net > I took your advise and hunted down a Livingston radius server. I grabbed a binary for BSDI on ftp://ftp.livingston.com/pub/le/software/bsdi/radius_2.0.1_BSDOS_2.0.tar.Z I have just installed it and it seems to be working fine. Thanks for the suggestion. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 01:26:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA16359 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uranus.intrastar.net (root@uranus.intrastar.net [206.136.25.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA16354 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (fixed.intrastar.net [206.136.25.69]) by uranus.intrastar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08328; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:24:26 GMT Message-Id: <199709100824.IAA08328@uranus.intrastar.net> Reply-To: From: "Jacob Suter" To: "Frank Seltzer" , Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:24:54 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk they don't... I'd hassle them to go to a dedicated account, apply really strict idle timeouts, and not let up on them... Unlimited is not a good term... Unmetered is... you don't pay by the hour/byte... but you say nothing beyond that. JS ---------- > From: Frank Seltzer > To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 5:49 PM > > Quick question. > > How do you ISP's with unlimited access dialups deal with users who stay > logged on all the time? > > Frank > -- > Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a > draft dodger sleeps in the White House - anonymous > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 02:19:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA19339 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA19333 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id RAA28911; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:01:36 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:01:36 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199709101701.RAA28911@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au Subject: auto kill ppp after fix time idle Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have setup a server running FreeBSD to dial out to the ISP with ppp link, but how can I auto kill the ppp link after the fix time idle, for example after 30 min idle. I have looked into the pppkit, but not find what I need. And can I auto run the ppp dialup when there is some out need? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 04:29:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24618 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mother.sneaker.net.au (akm@mother.sneaker.net.au [203.30.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA24613 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from akm@localhost) by mother.sneaker.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16480; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:36:27 GMT From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199709102136.VAA16480@mother.sneaker.net.au> Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) To: akm@mother.sneaker.net.au (Andrew Kenneth Milton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:36:27 +0000 () Cc: xenub@boisfrancs.qc.ca, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199709101603.QAA13566@mother.sneaker.net.au> from "Andrew Kenneth Milton" at Sep 10, 97 04:03:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk +-----[ Andrew Kenneth Milton ]------------------------------ | | Allows exemptions based on groups login ids | now if I could remember where I got it from... when I get home, I'll | look through the documentation if noone else posts the URL. | As promised... from the README file. AVAILABILITY The newest version of idled is available via anonymous ftp to ftp.cs.hope.edu in /pub/idled For the most up-to-date information on idled, check out the Idled Homepage at http://www.cs.hope.edu/~crider/idled/ All comments and suggestions for idled would be greatly appreciated and should be sent to Mike Crider . -- ,-_|\ SneakerNet | Andrew Milton | GSM: +61(41)6 022 411 / \ P.O. Box 154 | akm@sneaker.net.au | Fax: +61(2) 9746 8233 \_,-._/ N Strathfield +--+----------------------+---+ Ph: +61(2) 9746 8233 v NSW 2137 | Low cost Internet Solutions | From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 07:22:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA04435 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04426 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16854; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Ernie Elu cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius server software In-Reply-To: <199709092324.JAA17651@spooky.eis.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You can also try searching the -questions mail archives for "radius dumping core" and you'll find a fix (that worked for me) and some comments from the Merit people. Charles On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Ernie Elu wrote: > Hi, > I am desperately looking for any reliable radius server software for > FreeBSD. I have recently cut over to using 56k USR terminal servers that > have to talk to a radius server. I can't find any version that does not > crash on FreeBSD. I have tried the Merit and Cistron ports which both > crash. The new Merit AAA server looks like it is $2,495 for a single copy > licence or $10,000 for a singel source license and I need 3 copies so that > is out of my budget. > > Any only got ANY flavour of radius running reliably in an ISP environment > under FreeBSD 2.2.2 ? > > > - Ernie. > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 07:27:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA04624 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04619 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16872; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Louis-Philippe Alain cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970909205917.0091a470@boisfrancs.qc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Or you can go the simple route, like we do. We have an AUP that states that there is no sharing of accounts. If we see a violation, we give a warning. If we see it again, we cancel the user. Generally, I've found that the people that do this sort of thing are not the kind of folks whose business we need. People who repeatedly break policy also tend to be the biggest complainers and the worst bill-payers. Charles On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Louis-Philippe Alain wrote: > Hi M.Seltzer! > Here we have a "tow hours of inactivity" time out. When there's no > activity on the line for two consecutive hours, they are disconnected. And > we also automaticaly disconnect users who stay connected for 24 hours in a > row. A user that is disconnected can reconnect himself immediately after > the disconnection. > > What we have troubles with is users that double-logging in. We have a case > that a user was connected 10 times under the same username. The person just > pay us for one account and then sold his password to everyone he known! Is > there any script that we could use to disallow a user to be logged tow time > under the same username? > > Thanks a lot! > > Louis-Philippe Alain > Internet Bois-Francs > > > At 08:24 PM 9/9/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I think that I was too vague with my previous question ( and I forgot a > >subject line, sorry). What I am after is ISP policy on dealing with a user > >who stays logged on constantly. > > > >Do you: > > > >1. Log them off (and wait for them to redial) > >2. Log them off and refuse connection for x minutes/hours > >3. Send them email asking them to cut down on their logon time > >4. Threaten the user with death and dismemberment > >5. Terminate their account > >6. Other (please specify) > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 09:50:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA12940 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.theonlynet.com (olympus.intermountain.com [206.29.203.1] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA12922 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deepthought.theonlynet.com (rock-27.theonlynet.com [206.29.203.192]) by ns2.theonlynet.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15010 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709101649.KAA15010@ns2.theonlynet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Robert Ricci" Organization: The Only Net To: FreeBSD-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:56:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little questi Reply-to: rricci@theonlynet.com X-Confirm-Reading-To: rricci@theonlynet.com X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > AVAILABILITY > > The newest version of idled is available via anonymous ftp to > ftp.cs.hope.edu in /pub/idled > For the most up-to-date information on idled, check out the > Idled Homepage at http://www.cs.hope.edu/~crider/idled/ > All comments and suggestions for idled would be greatly appreciated > and should be sent to Mike Crider . > Actually, it seems to have moved to http://www.darkwing.com/idled/ . Two questions for people already using idled: When I do a `w`, it reports an idle time equal to the time the user has been logged in, not the time they've really been idle. In fact, with some Macs, it reports no idle time at all. 1) Is this normal? (We're just using the standard kernel pppd) 2) Will idled still work properly? Thanks!! ******************************************************************************** * Robert Ricci http://www.theonlynet.com/~rricci * * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * * "In fact, if at any point during the exercise you hear the satanic voice of * * Bill Gates coming from the built-in speaker, take off running and don't ever * * look back! Freed from the counterbalancing influence of the BSD daemons, the * * twin demons of DOS and Windows are often able to re-assert total control * * over your machine to the eternal damnation of your soul." * * -The FreeBSD Handbook, http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ169.html * ******************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 10:13:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA14205 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14199 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA29313; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:12:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:12:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Louis-Philippe Alain cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970909205917.0091a470@boisfrancs.qc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Louis-Philippe Alain wrote: > Hi M.Seltzer! > Here we have a "tow hours of inactivity" time out. When there's no > activity on the line for two consecutive hours, they are disconnected. And > we also automaticaly disconnect users who stay connected for 24 hours in a > row. A user that is disconnected can reconnect himself immediately after > the disconnection. > > What we have troubles with is users that double-logging in. We have a case > that a user was connected 10 times under the same username. The person just > pay us for one account and then sold his password to everyone he known! Is > there any script that we could use to disallow a user to be logged tow time > under the same username? if you are under RADIUS then you can limit each login to one. > > Thanks a lot! > > Louis-Philippe Alain > Internet Bois-Francs > > > At 08:24 PM 9/9/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I think that I was too vague with my previous question ( and I forgot a > >subject line, sorry). What I am after is ISP policy on dealing with a user > >who stays logged on constantly. > > > >Do you: > > > >1. Log them off (and wait for them to redial) > >2. Log them off and refuse connection for x minutes/hours > >3. Send them email asking them to cut down on their logon time > >4. Threaten the user with death and dismemberment > >5. Terminate their account > >6. Other (please specify) > > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 10:46:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15648 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com (Absinthe.i3inc.com [208.218.26.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA15640 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id NAA03655; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709101742.NAA03655@absinthe.i3inc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: absinthe.i3inc.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: tomthai@future.net Cc: xenub@boisfrancs.qc.ca, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:12:35 -0500 (CDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:42:44 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:12:35 -0500 (CDT) "Tom T. Thai" wrote: tomthai> if you are under RADIUS then you can limit each login to one. Oh? What Attribute/Value? I haven't seen this in the docs for Livingston RADIUS. At least not for POTS dial-in, though there is one for ISND to allow/deny bonding. If this works on some other RADIUS implementation I'd be interested to hear, too. I am unsure how RADIUS would be able to do this, since it has no idea who's currently on -- no state. So how would RADIUS be able to accept/reject authentication based on munber of logins? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 11:02:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA16414 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16404 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA01331; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:01:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:01:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Chris Shenton cc: xenub@boisfrancs.qc.ca, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little question) In-Reply-To: <199709101742.NAA03655@absinthe.i3inc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Chris Shenton wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:12:35 -0500 (CDT) > "Tom T. Thai" wrote: > > tomthai> if you are under RADIUS then you can limit each login to one. > > Oh? What Attribute/Value? I haven't seen this in the docs for Livingston > RADIUS. At least not for POTS dial-in, though there is one for ISND to > allow/deny bonding. If this works on some other RADIUS implementation > I'd be interested to hear, too. is use ESVA+n2h2 patch on Livingston RADIUS. http://www.n2h2.com/radius/ thom Password = "password", Sessions = 3 you can set sessions to what ever you want (in your case 1) > > I am unsure how RADIUS would be able to do this, since it has no idea > who's currently on -- no state. So how would RADIUS be able to > accept/reject authentication based on munber of logins? > > Thanks. > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 11:03:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA16490 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.interact.se (mailhost.interact.se [194.18.135.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16480 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chris (rimi.interact.se [194.18.135.76]) by mailhost.interact.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA22936 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:01:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3416E0F8.6821@interact.se> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:03:36 +0200 From: Christopher Lindbergh Reply-To: Christopher.Lindbergh@interact.se X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Radius and Microcom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are Microcom accesservers compatible with radius? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 11:46:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA19198 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windows95.sux.net (windows95.sux.net [194.42.247.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA19193 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: mcnicholl@real.com Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by windows95.sux.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00183 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:46:44 +0100 (IST) X-Authentication-Warning: windows95.sux.net: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:46:44 +0100 (IST) X-Sender: dave@windows95.sux.net To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Large Disk. In-Reply-To: <199709101742.NAA03655@absinthe.i3inc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I had an instal of FreeBSD-3 on my machine which booted Linux or FreeBSD. Yesterday I decided to scrub the Linux and also go back to 2.2.2-RELEASE. Now my machine slows to a crawl on disk access (in biowait on top). And some programs refuse to return e.g. ps. dmesg on the disks gives: >wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa >wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): >wd0: 3681MB (7539840 sectors), 7480 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S df -k gives: >Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >/dev/wd0a 394495 39314 323622 11% / >/dev/wd0s3e 2714254 1075335 1421779 43% /usr >/dev/wd0s4e 429839 7522 387930 2% /var >procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc So the question is, is this a result of going back to 2.2.2 or is it the large partions ? Regards, Dave. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 13:01:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23381 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA23371 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12169; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:13:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:13:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Ernie Elu cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius server software In-Reply-To: <199709092324.JAA17651@spooky.eis.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Ernie Elu wrote: > Hi, > I am desperately looking for any reliable radius server software for > FreeBSD. I have recently cut over to using 56k USR terminal servers that > have to talk to a radius server. I can't find any version that does not > crash on FreeBSD. I have tried the Merit and Cistron ports which both > crash. The new Merit AAA server looks like it is $2,495 for a single copy > licence or $10,000 for a singel source license and I need 3 copies so that > is out of my budget. > > Any only got ANY flavour of radius running reliably in an ISP environment > under FreeBSD 2.2.2 ? I use livingston radius 2.0.1, BSDOS binary from ftp.livingston.com, it's a plain vanilla server, but it does support username prefix and suffix. Works great, never crashed for me yet on FreeBSD 2.2.1 > > > - Ernie. > ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 13:27:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA24844 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jef.cioe.com (jef.cioe.com [204.120.165.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24836 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by jef.cioe.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) id PAA04947 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:28:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:28:58 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Ames Message-Id: <199709102028.PAA04947@jef.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: sync card? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone know a good supplier of a sync serial card that will work in FreeBSD? The hardware compatibility list lists two: Arnet (bought out by digi right?) and Cronyx/Sigma. However I can't find a supplier of either or references to anyones experiences with either. Any pointers? -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 14:18:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27786 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27778 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA245 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:16:29 +0200 Message-ID: <34170E52.3DF522D7@pipeline.ch> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:17:06 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: sync card? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steven Ames wrote: > > Anyone know a good supplier of a sync serial card that will work in > FreeBSD? > > The hardware compatibility list lists two: Arnet (bought out by digi > right?) Yes, new name is Digi SYNC/570i. Take a look at http://www.dgii.com . > and Cronyx/Sigma. However I can't find a supplier of either or > references > to anyones experiences with either. Any pointers? > > -Steve -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 14:22:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27970 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27965 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15363; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:35:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:35:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Steven Ames cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sync card? In-Reply-To: <199709102028.PAA04947@jef.cioe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Steven Ames wrote: > > Anyone know a good supplier of a sync serial card that will work in > FreeBSD? > > The hardware compatibility list lists two: Arnet (bought out by digi right?) > and Cronyx/Sigma. However I can't find a supplier of either or references > to anyones experiences with either. Any pointers? > > -Steve We like Emerging Technologies (etinc.com) cards. However, considerable experience is required. Not for the gun-shy sysadmin or wannabe netadmin. Some people like the company, others don't. Let's not turn this into another flame war, please. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 14:30:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28471 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28464 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21065; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199709102127.OAA21065@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: steve@jef.cioe.com Subject: Re: sync card? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The SDL WANic works great in FreeBSD 2.2.x; see http://www.sdlcomm.com. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 15:17:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA01843 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ec.camitel.com (merlin.ec.camitel.com [206.231.123.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01833 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cfortin@localhost) by ec.camitel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23047; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709102028.PAA04947@jef.cioe.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Fortin To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: sync card? Cc: sales@cyclades.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We use Cyclades 16y, and the driver is not for eveay duty ISP. It work fine for terminal, but it's was not full proof for work with TUN. I try to have some kind of support, but the driver is not made by Cyclades And they dont take the responsability to support it. The companie have a full support for Linux but not for FreeBSD. We plan to buy some others boards, If you have some experience with your driver/supplyer/PPP I am interested about it. *We want to buy the better suported bords for FreeBSD. *The boards must be able to manipulate 16 serials ports. *Have good troughput. On 10-Sep-97 Steven Ames wrote: > >Anyone know a good supplier of a sync serial card that will work in >FreeBSD? > >The hardware compatibility list lists two: Arnet (bought out by digi right?) >and Cronyx/Sigma. However I can't find a supplier of either or references >to anyones experiences with either. Any pointers? > > -Steve ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Christian Fortin Date: 10-Sep-97 Heure: 18:09:19 ##############################################--------+ Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | G1P-1L4 | /--|<|--WM--|(--J Canada -----------------L---WM-----< \----1 --- - From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 15:39:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03202 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless.4d.net (wireless.4d.net [207.137.156.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03197 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (uhf.4d.net [207.137.157.140]) by wireless.4d.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA20458; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02310; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:45:23 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:45:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Bernie Doehner To: mcnicholl@real.com cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Large Disk. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi: uhf used to be running 2.2.2-RELEASE with just wd0 and wd1. It was only a 486/120 with 48MB of RAM and 32MB of swap. It was rather slow and at times ran out of swap. Over the past weekend, I added a 6.4 GB Fireball IDE as wd2 and upgraded to 3.0-SNAP-970807. Unfortunately the Acer AP43 motherboard doesn't handle >2GB partitions, so I made 4 slices. Current config: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 21799 11789 8267 59% /dev/wd0s1e 977351 163191 735972 18% /dev/wd1a 200823 194068 -9310 105% /dev/wd2a 31743 13470 15734 46% /dev/wd2s1e 1905354 129452 1623474 7% /dev/wd2s2c 2034474 334673 1537044 18% /dev/wd2s3c 2034474 29481 1842236 2% /dev/wd2s4c 5622 1061 4112 21% procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc I also added 96 MB of swap on wd2 (128MB total). However, as it turns out, 3.0 seems to have a much smaller memory footprint, and it swaps a lot less (the most swap usage I have seen so far is about 2-5 MB). Which snap are you running? Which program sits in biowait? Best Regards, Bernie On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 mcnicholl@real.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:46:44 +0100 (IST) > From: mcnicholl@real.com > To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Large Disk. > > Hi, > I had an instal of FreeBSD-3 on my machine which booted Linux or > FreeBSD. Yesterday I decided to scrub the Linux and also go back to > 2.2.2-RELEASE. Now my machine slows to a crawl on disk access (in biowait > on top). And some programs refuse to return e.g. ps. > > dmesg on the disks gives: > > >wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > >wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > >wd0: 3681MB (7539840 sectors), 7480 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > > df -k gives: > > >Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > >/dev/wd0a 394495 39314 323622 11% / > >/dev/wd0s3e 2714254 1075335 1421779 43% /usr > >/dev/wd0s4e 429839 7522 387930 2% /var > >procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > So the question is, is this a result of going back to 2.2.2 or is > it the large partions ? > > > Regards, > Dave. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 15:43:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03488 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03481 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26296; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:42:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:42:33 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Robert Ricci cc: FreeBSD-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little questi In-Reply-To: <199709101649.KAA15010@ns2.theonlynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, it seems to have moved to http://www.darkwing.com/idled/ . > > Two questions for people already using idled: When I do a `w`, it > reports an idle time equal to the time the user has been logged in, > not the time they've really been idle. In fact, with some Macs, it > reports no idle time at all. idle time is idle time of the userland process, which is only used for BSD compression. Kernel pppd can be active entirely in the kernel, and therefore appear to be idle. I have a program 'ifidled' which looks at the packets received on the user's pppX interface. I'll put it up for ftp this afternoon. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 15:51:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04027 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA04015 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from accounting.eaznet.com (accounting.eaznet.com [206.62.254.15]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15551 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:54:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by accounting.eaznet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBE02.4515CD40@accounting.eaznet.com>; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:57:41 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBE02.4515CD40@accounting.eaznet.com> From: Support To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Stuff for sale Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:57:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Where is a good place to post equipment for sale. I know no-one wants it posted here, can you suggest a place to post it (comm-equip)? TIA, Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 16:05:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA05159 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05151 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26380; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:04:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:04:36 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Christian Fortin cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sales@cyclades.com Subject: RE: sync card? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Christian Fortin wrote: > We use Cyclades 16y, The Cyclades is ASYNCHRONOUS, not SYNCHRONOUS. > and the driver is not for eveay duty ISP. > It work fine for terminal, but it's was not full proof for work with TUN. > I try to have some kind of support, but the driver is not made by Cyclades > And they dont take the responsability to support it. > The companie have a full support for Linux but not for FreeBSD. Sadly, it is true that Cyclades supports Linux but not FreeBSD, but I found there was plenty of support from FreeBSD-isp, FreeBSD-hackers. > We plan to buy some others boards, If you have some experience with your > driver/supplyer/PPP Well, you can also try the Stallion boards, but before you ditch Cyclades note well that the Linux drivers for Cyclades are add-ons supplied by Cyclades; the FreeBSD driver is ***integrated into the FreeBSD kernel***. This is why you need to ask FreeBSD people about the driver, not Cyclades Inc. I have found the Cyclades cards to work well, without much fuss, except for some CLOCAL problems. What problems did you experience? Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 16:40:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA07053 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07026 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA13045; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:36:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <34172EF4.5E652F78@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:36:20 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Shankland CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sync card? References: <199709102127.OAA21065@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Shankland wrote: > > The SDL WANic works great in FreeBSD 2.2.x; see http://www.sdlcomm.com. > > Jim Shankland > Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. Not so great, I could only get it to work in PPP mode not HDLC. It will be great when FreeBSD is a supported platform. At the moment BSDI, Linux and NT are supported and they're not worth donkey shit compared to FreeBSD as you all know. Someone else suggested the ET card was difficult to set up. I don't know about that. If you do exactly what the manual says it will work first time. I like both cards. The SDL card is cheaper, but the ET card is made for FreeBSD and has more features. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 16:52:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08008 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08000 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA13069; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:48:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <341731D9.345BF651@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:48:41 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sync card? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Christian Fortin wrote: > > and the driver is not for eveay duty ISP. > > I try to have some kind of support, but the driver is not made by Cyclades > > And they dont take the responsability to support it. > > The companie have a full support for Linux but not for FreeBSD. I had loads of problems until I switched my cyclades 16y terminal server from Linux to FreeBSD. The only problem that remains is sometimes the first (and busiest) line in the hunt group gets too tired and starts spewing out junk. A complete term server and modem reset doesn't fix it either. > I have found the Cyclades cards to work well, without much fuss, except > for some CLOCAL problems. What problems did you experience? > > Danny Danny can you describe the CLOCAL problems please. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 17:31:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09874 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09869 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26662; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199709110028.RAA26662@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: damian@cablenet.net Subject: Re: sync card? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From damian@axe.cablenet.net Wed Sep 10 16:36:33 1997 Sender: damian@cablenet.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:36:20 +0100 From: Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Shankland CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sync card? References: <199709102127.OAA21065@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damian Hamill writes: > [The SDL WANic is] not so great, I could only get it to work in PPP > mode not HDLC. It will be great when FreeBSD is a supported platform. Mmmm, yes, we've only used it in PPP mode; sorry to hear that. There's also a frame relay driver from SDL (no source), which we'll be evaluating, but haven't gotten to yet. On the other hand, I've been very happy with it in PPP mode. Reliable and fast, and handles a full T-1 without breaking a sweat. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 18:46:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14172 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts14-line11.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14146; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15303; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Jason McKay cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970906153037.00675d84@barney.webace.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Jason McKay wrote: > Allot of my Internet users are asking if they can use their Microsoft Active > Server Pages (ASP) on my Apache web server.. Is it possible, if so how? I've never heard of that. I would assume that this is some sort of Microsoft-server-specific extensions, so no, they wouldn't work. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Spam routed to /dev/null by Procmail | Death to Cyberpromo From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 21:48:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA26008 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25953 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA15334; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:47:29 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199709110447.GAA15334@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: sync card? In-Reply-To: <34172EF4.5E652F78@cablenet.net> from Damian Hamill at "Sep 11, 97 00:36:20 am" To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:47:29 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > The SDL WANic works great in FreeBSD 2.2.x; see http://www.sdlcomm.com. > > > > Jim Shankland > > Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. > > Not so great, I could only get it to work in PPP mode not HDLC. It will > be great when FreeBSD is a supported platform. At the moment BSDI, Can you describe the problem a bit more please? Last time I checked the SDL and Arnet/Digi cards did do HDLC. I even checked it against a real although old Cisco. It does seem that Cisco changed their format a little in recent IOS releases, but a fix for that was commited to -CURRENT and 2.2-STABLE in the beginning of August. > I like both cards. The SDL card is cheaper, but the ET card is made for > FreeBSD and has more features. There is also the Arnet/Digi SYNC570i cards with a driver that is part of FreeBSD, ar(4). John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 22:21:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA27449 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas.iexpress.net.au (mikey@atlas.iexpress.net.au [203.61.175.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27426 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by atlas.iexpress.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13539 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:22:49 +0800 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:22:49 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Hi Speed Serial cards. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have read much lately in this mailing list about Syncronys serial cards. I am looking to purchase a new router for connection to Telstra's (Australian Telco) DDS Fastway service, that supports speeds from 256k to 2 megs. Can anyone here in Australia recommend a source for such cards. regards, Michael Slater From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 10 22:33:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA28252 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rkntws40casa (pool30.hiper.net [207.137.172.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA28247; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970910223303.00a26740@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:33:03 -0700 To: Jeff Lynch , Steven Ames From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: sync card? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199709102028.PAA04947@jef.cioe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got 283K or so archived on this subject if you want it just let me know... At 04:35 PM 9/10/97 -0500, Jeff Lynch wrote: >On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Steven Ames wrote: > >> >> Anyone know a good supplier of a sync serial card that will work in >> FreeBSD? >> >> The hardware compatibility list lists two: Arnet (bought out by digi right?) >> and Cronyx/Sigma. However I can't find a supplier of either or references >> to anyones experiences with either. Any pointers? >> >> -Steve > >We like Emerging Technologies (etinc.com) cards. However, considerable >experience is required. Not for the gun-shy sysadmin or wannabe netadmin. > >Some people like the company, others don't. Let's not turn this into >another flame war, please. > >========================================================================= >Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet >email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider >Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 >Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 06:14:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA20184 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA20167 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from archer@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA02521 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:14:15 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:14:15 +0300 (EEST) From: Alexander Litvin Message-Id: <199709111114.OAA02521@burka.carrier.kiev.ua> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quota system is broken? In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970309; i386 FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is the quota system known to be broken? We've tried using it and to say > it's unreliable is an understatement. For example, I have several users > who are completely unrestrained by quota, despite being set up identically > to others where it does work. All the commands, such as repquota, report > they *have* a quota, but they can just keep on writing. On others, I can > set quotas all I want, the system won't recognize them. And in other > accounts, quota reports usages completely wrong, e.g. > Disk quotas for user skunk (uid 1045): > Filesystem blocks quota limit grace files quota limit grace > /usr 127264* 40960 51200 none 325 0 0 > /var 2 1024 10240 2 0 0 > In reality, this user has over 150 megs in /var and only 35 megs in /usr. > Despite being marked as over and no grace left, he can still write in > /usr. > We're running 2.2.2. To the quota topic: I'm not sure that it is quota system bug, but we found here that exeeded quota doesn't prevent user from receiving mail -- mail.local successfully writes to mailbox of such a user. What appeard is that mail.local first opens a mailbox, than changes euid to that of the user, and then writes to mailbox. In such scenario write doesn't fail as it fails when program first changes euid and only than opens a file. Should I patch mail.local, or this is the quota implementation bug? -- Alexander Litvin Duty Postmaster, Lucky Net Ltd. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 06:47:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA21496 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.flask.com (root@ns1.flask.com [207.67.43.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA21488; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: skat@flask.com Received: (from skat@localhost) by ns1.flask.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA14034; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:44:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:44:20 -0500 (CDT) To: Jason McKay cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Doug White wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Jason McKay wrote: > > > Allot of my Internet users are asking if they can use their Microsoft Active > > Server Pages (ASP) on my Apache web server.. Is it possible, if so how? > > I've never heard of that. I would assume that this is some sort of > Microsoft-server-specific extensions, so no, they wouldn't work. > ASP is similar to SSI (i.e., it accepts INCLUDE, ECHO), except you can embed VBASIC script in their HTML files. I think, the close Apache equivalent is PHP/FI (http:www.vex.net/php). Shin From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 12:10:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA10647 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.cioe.com (news.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10635 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by news.cioe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA07467; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:10:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:10:03 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Ames Message-Id: <199709111910.OAA07467@news.cioe.com> To: damian@cablenet.net, jas@flyingfox.com Subject: Re: sync card? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > [The SDL WANic is] not so great, I could only get it to work in PPP > > mode not HDLC. It will be great when FreeBSD is a supported platform. > > Mmmm, yes, we've only used it in PPP mode; sorry to hear that. There's > also a frame relay driver from SDL (no source), which we'll be evaluating, > but haven't gotten to yet. I talked with an SDL rep this morning. She said that Frame wasn't supported under UNIX... oddly under NT, only frame is supported. She also said HDLC will never be supported under NT. > On the other hand, I've been very happy with it in PPP mode. Reliable > and fast, and handles a full T-1 without breaking a sweat. That's good to hear. I'm not really hung up on HDLC anyway. -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 13:14:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA14530 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.prismnet.com (postoffice.prismnet.com [205.166.246.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14523; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (greg@smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by postoffice.prismnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29576; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from greg@localhost) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09359; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:14:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Stringfellow Message-Id: <199709112014.PAA09359@smokey.prismnet.com> Subject: BIND Question To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:14:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is an interesting question, or at least to me right now. I've got a customer who is trying to send mail to a particular location. The hostname is "HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US". I remember reading somewhere about the underscores in a hostname not being valid. But I just can't seem to track it down. Now when on my 2.2 FreeBSD machines, I can nslookup that to get: bash-2.00# nslookup HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US Server: bandit.prismnet.com Address: 205.166.246.2 Non-authoritative answer: Name: HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US Address: 206.50.19.5 But if I try to ping it, telnet to it, or even send mail to it I get: bash-2.00# ping HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US ping: unknown host HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US And all of this works (with the same resolv.conf file mind you) on my 2.1.7 machine. Any ideas? Am I going crazy? Have I not read something that I should have from being too busy? All of the above? Like always, all help is appreciated! Thanks! Greg -- Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. - Austin, TX USA Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts HTTP://www.prismnet.com Phone: (512)-418-1568 "The trouble with the rat race is, even if you win, you're still a rat" From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 13:56:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17124 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roguetrader.com (brandon@cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17102; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by roguetrader.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13702; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:56:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Brandon Gillespie To: Greg Stringfellow cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND Question In-Reply-To: <199709112014.PAA09359@smokey.prismnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Greg Stringfellow wrote: > Here is an interesting question, or at least to me right now. > > I've got a customer who is trying to send mail to a particular location. The > hostname is "HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US". I remember reading > somewhere about the underscores in a hostname not being valid. But I just > can't seem to track it down. You are right, underscores are not a valid part of a domain name, even though old DNS servers would allow them (all that is valid is a-z0-9 and a dash, I believe). > Any ideas? Am I going crazy? Have I not read something that I should have > from being too busy? All of the above? I dont know why it is behaving as it does--I would suspect the reason its NOT working is because of the underscore, and 'nslookup' isn't being as pedantic about it as it should be. Two suggestions: 1) get them to fix their domain name 2) use the raw ip addr, as given by nslookup -Brandon Gillespie From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 14:00:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA17336 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17309; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18275; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709112059.NAA18275@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: skat@flask.com cc: Jason McKay , isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 11 Sep 97 08:44:20 -0500. Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:59:47 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Doug White wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Jason McKay wrote: >> > Allot of my Internet users are asking if they can use their Microsoft Active >> > Server Pages (ASP) on my Apache web server.. Is it possible, if so how? >> I've never heard of that. I would assume that this is some sort of >> Microsoft-server-specific extensions, so no, they wouldn't work. >ASP is similar to SSI (i.e., it accepts INCLUDE, ECHO), except you can embed >VBASIC script in their HTML files. I think, the close Apache equivalent is >PHP/FI (http:www.vex.net/php). I think that's one of the more convoluted descritions I've heard. ;-) ASP stands for Active Server Pages (pretty soon they're going to change the name of Microsoft to "Active Software"). Basically, the core technology of ASP is server-side scripting. You can imbed scripts for any interpreter that has full IActiveScript interface support. This currently includes the VBScript and JavaScript (a. k. a. LiveScript) engines. Supposedly there's also a version of Perl out there that will work in this context. The scripts are interpreted and run on the server when the page that contains them is hit, generating HTML, as necessary, and are capable of invoking and activating standard COM objects on the server. IIS keeps track of session and application scope. It provides objects that give access to the session and application scope. It's actually very cool stuff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 14:02:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA17548 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titan.comco.com (titan.comco.com [198.214.63.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17525; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dougmc@localhost) by titan.comco.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA07103; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:03:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug McLaren Message-Id: <199709112103.QAA07103@titan.comco.com> Subject: Re: BIND Question In-Reply-To: <199709112014.PAA09359@smokey.prismnet.com> from Greg Stringfellow at "Sep 11, 97 03:14:21 pm" To: greg@smokey.prismnet.com (Greg Stringfellow) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:02:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Zippy: .. My vaseline is RUNNING... X-Random-Excuse: When I got up this morning I took two Ex-Lax in addition to my Prozac. I can't get off the john, but I feel good about it. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL26 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greg Stringfellow was tellin' me ... (Hi Greg!) | I've got a customer who is trying to send mail to a particular location. The | hostname is "HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US". I remember reading | somewhere about the underscores in a hostname not being valid. But I just | can't seem to track it down. That is indeed correct. It's probably in the relevant RFC, but I certainly can't give you a number for it ... | Now when on my 2.2 FreeBSD machines, I can nslookup that to get: ... | Non-authoritative answer: | Name: HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US | Address: 206.50.19.5 | | But if I try to ping it, telnet to it, or even send mail to it I get: | | bash-2.00# ping HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US | ping: unknown host HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US I get the same behavior on my FreeBSD 2.2.2 machine. Other OS's appear to be fine with it. It looks like the resolver libraries under FreeBSD 2.2.2 actually enforce the `no _' rule. Seems kind of wierd to do it there, however - typically the rule of thumb is to be permissive in what you accept, but restrictive in what you send ... Addresses without a _ in their hostname work fine - % telnet PROXY.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US Trying 206.50.19.120... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused % telnet HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US: Unknown host My advice: mail them, tell them that _'s aren't valid in hostnames and therefore they only work sometimes, and suggest that they change the _'s to -'s. -- Doug McLaren, dougmc@comco.com Unsolicited email of a commercial or advertising nature is not welcomed. "Often, when I am reading a good book, even in the middle of the night, I stop and thank my teacher. That is, I used to, until she got an unlisted number." From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 15:40:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA28028 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhc.net (dhc.net [207.55.174.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27965; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom.dhc.net (tom.dhc.net [207.55.174.16]) by dhc.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA15773; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:42:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709112242.RAA15773@dhc.net> From: "Tom Savage" To: "Brandon Gillespie" , "Greg Stringfellow" Cc: , Subject: Re: BIND Question Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:41:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brandon, Greg: Your customer is probably trying to send a message to (hpisd_admin@highlandpark.k12.tx.us) Highland Park ISD's url is www.highlandpark.k12.tx.us Tom ---------- > From: Brandon Gillespie > To: Greg Stringfellow > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: BIND Question > Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 3:56 PM > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Greg Stringfellow wrote: > > > Here is an interesting question, or at least to me right now. > > > > I've got a customer who is trying to send mail to a particular location. The > > hostname is "HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US". I remember reading > > somewhere about the underscores in a hostname not being valid. But I just > > can't seem to track it down. > > You are right, underscores are not a valid part of a domain name, even > though old DNS servers would allow them (all that is valid is a-z0-9 and a > dash, I believe). > > > Any ideas? Am I going crazy? Have I not read something that I should have > > from being too busy? All of the above? > > I dont know why it is behaving as it does--I would suspect the reason its > NOT working is because of the underscore, and 'nslookup' isn't being as > pedantic about it as it should be. Two suggestions: > > 1) get them to fix their domain name > 2) use the raw ip addr, as given by nslookup > > -Brandon Gillespie > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 17:02:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10072 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patrick.interlog.com (patrick.interlog.com [206.108.68.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA10043; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (patrick@localhost) by patrick.interlog.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA00303; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:01:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: patrick.interlog.com: patrick owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick McConnell To: Tom Savage cc: Brandon Gillespie , Greg Stringfellow , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND Question In-Reply-To: <199709112242.RAA15773@dhc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know about that - $ host highlandpark.k12.tx.us highlandpark.k12.tx.us mail is handled (pri=0) by HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US and reverse lookups on this host (HPISD_ADMIN) seem to fail. On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Tom Savage wrote: > Brandon, Greg: > Your customer is probably trying to send a message to > (hpisd_admin@highlandpark.k12.tx.us) Highland Park ISD's url is > www.highlandpark.k12.tx.us > Tom > > ---------- > > From: Brandon Gillespie > > To: Greg Stringfellow > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: BIND Question > > Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 3:56 PM > > > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Greg Stringfellow wrote: > > > > > Here is an interesting question, or at least to me right now. > > > > > > I've got a customer who is trying to send mail to a particular > location. The > > > hostname is "HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US". I remember reading > > > somewhere about the underscores in a hostname not being valid. But I > just > > > can't seem to track it down. > > > > You are right, underscores are not a valid part of a domain name, even > > though old DNS servers would allow them (all that is valid is a-z0-9 and > a > > dash, I believe). > > > > > Any ideas? Am I going crazy? Have I not read something that I should > have > > > from being too busy? All of the above? > > > > I dont know why it is behaving as it does--I would suspect the reason its > > NOT working is because of the underscore, and 'nslookup' isn't being as > > pedantic about it as it should be. Two suggestions: > > > > 1) get them to fix their domain name > > 2) use the raw ip addr, as given by nslookup > > > > -Brandon Gillespie > > > -- Patrick McConnell (patrick@interlog.com) "640k ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates, 1981 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 17:28:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA11818 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA11810; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199709120028.RAA11810@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: BIND Question To: brandon@roguetrader.com (Brandon Gillespie) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: greg@smokey.prismnet.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brandon Gillespie" at Sep 11, 97 02:56:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brandon Gillespie wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Greg Stringfellow wrote: > > > Here is an interesting question, or at least to me right now. > > > > I've got a customer who is trying to send mail to a particular location. The > > hostname is "HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US". I remember reading > > somewhere about the underscores in a hostname not being valid. But I just > > can't seem to track it down. > > You are right, underscores are not a valid part of a domain name, even > though old DNS servers would allow them (all that is valid is a-z0-9 and a > dash, I believe). rfc1123 amends rfc952 rfc1123: 2.1 Host Names and Numbers The syntax of a legal Internet host name was specified in RFC-952 [DNS:4]. One aspect of host name syntax is hereby changed: the restriction on the first character is relaxed to allow either a letter or a digit. Host software MUST support this more liberal syntax. rfc952. "DOD INTERNET HOST TABLE SPECIFICATION" oct '85 not listed in std-index.txt but referenced by rfc1123 which is listed in std-index.txt rfc952: 1. A "name" (Net, Host, Gateway, or Domain name) is a text string up to 24 characters drawn from the alphabet (A-Z), digits (0-9), minus sign (-), and period (.). Note that periods are only allowed when they serve to delimit components of "domain style names". (See RFC-921, "Domain Name System Implementation Schedule", for background). No blank or space characters are permitted as part of a name. No distinction is made between upper and lower case. The first character must be an alpha character. The last character must not be a minus sign or period. A host which serves as a GATEWAY should have "-GATEWAY" or "-GW" as part of its name. Hosts which do not serve as Internet gateways should not use "-GATEWAY" and "-GW" as part of their names. A host which is a TAC should have "-TAC" as the last part of its host name, if it is a DoD host. Single character names or nicknames are not allowed. jmb From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 17:58:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA14172 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA14157; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02463; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:58:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:58:03 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Patrick McConnell cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Patrick McConnell wrote: > I don't know about that - > > $ host highlandpark.k12.tx.us > highlandpark.k12.tx.us mail is handled (pri=0) by > HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US > and reverse lookups on this host (HPISD_ADMIN) seem to fail. Someone should shoot the admin of k12.tx.us - highlandpark has no secondary nameserver. Someone should also notify them that '_' is an illegal character is domain names. Here is the data from an nslookup 'ls'. Script started on Fri Sep 12 10:54:48 1997 panda: {1} nslookup Default Server: cuckoo.hilink.com.au Address: 203.2.135.50 > server 206.50.19.2 Default Server: ns.highlandpark.k12.tx.us Address: 206.50.19.2 > ls highlandpark.k12.tx.us. [ns.highlandpark.k12.tx.us] HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. server = NS.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US HPISD_ADMIN 206.50.19.5 AR_ADMIN 206.50.21.35 HS_MAILSRV 206.50.19.20 UP_ADMIN 206.20.24.35 HY_ADMIN 206.50.21.131 BR_ADMIN 206.50.24.131 LOCALHOST 127.0.0.1 PROXY 206.50.19.120 HP3000 206.50.19.4 WWW 206.50.19.3 MS_ADMIN 206.50.19.7 CHAT 206.50.19.19 HS_ADMIN 206.50.19.6 MCLANDD 206.50.19.101 NS 206.50.19.2 Script done on Fri Sep 12 10:55:31 1997 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 18:30:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA16696 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16680; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA17452; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:59:50 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970912105950.15893@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:59:50 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Patrick McConnell Cc: Tom Savage , Brandon Gillespie , Greg Stringfellow , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, HPISD_ADMIN@HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US Subject: Re: BIND Question References: <199709112242.RAA15773@dhc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Patrick McConnell on Thu, Sep 11, 1997 at 08:01:32PM -0400 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 11, 1997 at 08:01:32PM -0400, Patrick McConnell wrote: > I don't know about that - > > $ host highlandpark.k12.tx.us > highlandpark.k12.tx.us mail is handled (pri=0) by > HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US > > and reverse lookups on this host (HPISD_ADMIN) seem to fail. This is a wart in DNS. Since the '@' sign has a different significance to named, it is replaced by a '.' in the SOA record. To send mail, replace the first '.' with a '@': HPISD_ADMIN@HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US That's the theory. The practice looks somewhat different. To start with, they have an A record with this name, which is incorrect and unnecessary. They also don't have reverse delegation working: > HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US Server: freebie.lemis.com Address: 0.0.0.0 Name: HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US Address: 206.50.19.5 > 206.50.19.5 Server: freebie.lemis.com Address: 0.0.0.0 *** freebie.lemis.com can't find 206.50.19.5: Non-existent host/domain Looking at their zone information gives the real picture: ; BIND version named 4.9.6-REL Wed Aug 27 12:54:15 CST 1997 ; BIND version grog@freebie.lemis.com:/usr/obj/src/FREEBIE/libexec/named-xfer ; zone 'HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US' last serial 0 ; from 206.50.19.2 at Fri Sep 12 10:54:11 1997 $ORIGIN K12.TX.US. HIGHLANDPARK IN SOA NS.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. (.highlandpark.k12.tx.us. ( 3 10800 3600 604800 86400 ) IN NS NS.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. IN MX 0 HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. $ORIGIN HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. HPISD_ADMIN IN A 206.50.19.5 HY IN CNAME HY_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. BR IN CNAME BR_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. MS IN CNAME MS_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. AR_ADMIN IN A 206.50.21.35 HS_MAILSRV IN A 206.50.19.20 AR IN CNAME AR_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. UP_ADMIN IN A 206.20.24.35 MAILHOST IN CNAME HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. HY_ADMIN IN A 206.50.21.131 BR_ADMIN IN A 206.50.24.131 HS IN CNAME HS_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. LOCALHOST IN A 127.0.0.1 PROXY IN A 206.50.19.120 HP3000 IN A 206.50.19.4 WWW IN A 206.50.19.3 UP IN CNAME UP_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US. MS_ADMIN IN A 206.50.19.7 CHAT IN A 206.50.19.19 HS_ADMIN IN A 206.50.19.6 MCLANDD IN A 206.50.19.101 NS IN A 206.50.19.2 There are a number of problems here: 1. The postmaster mail ID is '('. I wonder how they got that in there. 2. Many names have underscores. This will cause problems. 3. They only have one name server. I wonder how they got away with that. I'm copying the guys at Highland Park. They'll probably want to fix this. For continuity's sake, it's probably an idea to add some CNAMES for the underscores. Greg > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Tom Savage wrote: > >> Brandon, Greg: >> Your customer is probably trying to send a message to >> (hpisd_admin@highlandpark.k12.tx.us) Highland Park ISD's url is >> www.highlandpark.k12.tx.us >> Tom >> >> ---------- >>> From: Brandon Gillespie >>> To: Greg Stringfellow >>> Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>> Subject: Re: BIND Question >>> Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 3:56 PM >>> >>> On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Greg Stringfellow wrote: >>> >>>> Here is an interesting question, or at least to me right now. >>>> >>>> I've got a customer who is trying to send mail to a particular >> location. The >>>> hostname is "HPISD_ADMIN.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US". I remember reading >>>> somewhere about the underscores in a hostname not being valid. But I >> just >>>> can't seem to track it down. >>> >>> You are right, underscores are not a valid part of a domain name, even >>> though old DNS servers would allow them (all that is valid is a-z0-9 and >> a >>> dash, I believe). >>> >>>> Any ideas? Am I going crazy? Have I not read something that I should >> have >>>> from being too busy? All of the above? >>> >>> I dont know why it is behaving as it does--I would suspect the reason its >>> NOT working is because of the underscore, and 'nslookup' isn't being as >>> pedantic about it as it should be. Two suggestions: >>> >>> 1) get them to fix their domain name >>> 2) use the raw ip addr, as given by nslookup >>> >>> -Brandon Gillespie >>> >> > > > -- > Patrick McConnell (patrick@interlog.com) > > "640k ought to be enough for anybody." > -Bill Gates, 1981 > -- Greg Lehey LEMIS grog@lemis.com PO Box 460 Tel: +61-8-8388-8286 Echunga SA 5153 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Australia -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2i mQCNAzGpfDEAAAEEAMh6rH1c9+oKgazwGLitshrIFKFSGelccTK1fwnMw2O6SrK8 r0ttvRO42fZa8WXvlsSF1JIAqOJoaBP8HJNv6G/RA1NcKgqQKLc4RmTNnu6MoPe0 a25w25wyKOfzefJTS9dsQhWg2XJlyRo4YMtbSxDOZldq7kmga0Sj8+byVwABAAUR tBNDQyA8Y2NAbWFyY2FkZS5jb20+tAZDb250cm8= =FJvY -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 19:13:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA20328 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20304; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12924; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:13:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id VAA19367; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: <19970911211257.56635@right.PCS> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:12:57 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: Patrick McConnell , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND Question References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Daniel O'Callaghan on Sep 09, 1997 at 10:58:03AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sep 09, 1997 at 10:58:03AM +1000, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > Someone should shoot the admin of k12.tx.us - highlandpark has no > secondary nameserver. Uh, I think it does: > dig HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US ns ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.us. 73220 NS ns.HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.us. HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.us. 73220 NS ns2.onramp.net. > Someone should also notify them that '_' is an illegal character is > domain names. Yup. (cf: RFC 1035, RFC 1123, BIND FAQ) -- Jonathan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 19:13:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA20361 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20350; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA18287; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:43:31 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970912114331.30906@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:43:31 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Patrick McConnell Cc: Tom Savage , Brandon Gillespie , Greg Stringfellow , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, HPISD_ADMIN@HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US Subject: Re: BIND Question References: <199709112242.RAA15773@dhc.net> <19970912105950.15893@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <19970912105950.15893@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 10:59:50AM +0930 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 10:59:50AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 1997 at 08:01:32PM -0400, Patrick McConnell wrote: > There are a number of problems here: > > 1. The postmaster mail ID is '('. I wonder how they got that in > there. > 2. Many names have underscores. This will cause problems. > 3. They only have one name server. I wonder how they got away with > that. > > I'm copying the guys at Highland Park. They'll probably want to fix > this. For continuity's sake, it's probably an idea to add some CNAMES > for the underscores. I take some of that back. The last message just bounced: HPISD_ADMIN@HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 HPISD_ADMIN@HIGHLANDPARK.K12.TX.US... Host unknown (Name server: hpisd_admin.highlandpark.k12.tx.us.: host not > found) There's obviously more wrong with their config than I thought. I'll try to contact them some other way. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 21:17:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA29474 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.prismnet.com (postoffice.prismnet.com [205.166.246.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA29468; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (greg@smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by postoffice.prismnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21438; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:17:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from greg@localhost) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA18146; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:17:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Stringfellow Message-Id: <199709120417.XAA18146@smokey.prismnet.com> Subject: Re: BIND Question In-Reply-To: <199709120028.RAA11810@hub.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Sep 11, 97 05:28:53 pm" To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:17:27 -0500 (CDT) Cc: brandon@roguetrader.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The below RFCs, which Jonathan and quite a few others posted, were the ones I had seen but forgot. I emailed Highland Park and told them what they needed to change to make everything work out 110%. Not to mention that I fixed up a way for my customer to email them. Jonathan M. Bresler said: > rfc1123 amends rfc952 I just wanted to thank everyone who helped me out on this question. Your input and your comments are very much appreciated. Greg -- Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. - Austin, TX USA Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts HTTP://www.prismnet.com Phone: (512)-418-1568 "The trouble with the rat race is, even if you win, you're still a rat" From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 11 22:50:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06006 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from virtualmarketing.com (email.virtualmarketing.com [207.7.29.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05999 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhouse.polaccess.com (205.166.42.125) by virtualmarketing.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2b2); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:50:53 -0600 Message-ID: <3237A36A.1B2@polaccess.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 00:45:14 -0500 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: root@polaccess.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Live Feed..Real Audio ENCODER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, I just d/l the server and encoder for windows nt...I am trying to do a live decoding but this thing is not working..the Server tab on an encoder is not avaliable....I know I setup a password for encoder but I have no idea where I have to put that ion the encoder part...Please help.. Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 05:54:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA01037 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA01030 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13158; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:50:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <34193AB0.2781E494@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:50:57 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org CC: jlewis@fdt.net Subject: spammer used our domain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A spammer recently sent an email to members@aol.com using a bogus from address as a user in our domain. I temporarily blocked emails from aol but I had to remove the block for obvious reasons. I am still getting replies from indignant people. Is there a rule I can add to "check_rcpt" or another rule set to block email from *@aol to postmaster@cablenet.net ? I'm not a ruleset wizz. would this work ? R$+ $: $&f $| $1 R$*@aol.com $| postmaster@cablenet.net $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 sorry" regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 06:47:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA03902 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [207.104.147.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA03895 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA10462; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:50:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199709121350.GAA10462@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: spammer used our domain To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jlewis@fdt.net In-Reply-To: <34193AB0.2781E494@cablenet.net> from "Damian Hamill" at Sep 12, 97 01:50:57 pm From: support@blueneptune.com Reply-To: support@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would recommend setting up procmail on your incoming account to automatically detect these incoming messages (based on subject line and/or From: address, for example), and then send back a canned response describing the situation. You could indicate in the message that they should check their headers of the email, and see that the From: address was forged/bogus, and point out what sites were -really- involved in sending the message. Do it simply, and apologetically, with no attitude, and that will satisfy most users. Then after sending the canned response, procmail would just drop the message, and you'd never see it. [If you don't know how to use procmail, learn. It is definitely a tool worth its weight in gold.] If you were to just block email from aol.com, or just drop it with no action at all, it would most likely irritate users trying to contact you even further, and likely get you a reputation for not caring about junk email. > A spammer recently sent an email to members@aol.com using a bogus from > address as a user in our domain. I temporarily blocked emails from aol > but I had to remove the block for obvious reasons. I am still getting > replies from indignant people. > > Is there a rule I can add to "check_rcpt" or another rule set to block > email from *@aol to postmaster@cablenet.net ? I'm not a ruleset wizz. > > would this work ? > > R$+ $: $&f $| $1 > R$*@aol.com $| postmaster@cablenet.net $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 sorry" > > > regards > damian > > -- > * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > * CableNet & The Landscape Channel > * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > -- Blue Neptune Technical Support support@blueneptune.com http://www.blueneptune.com/help.html From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 08:52:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA12249 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yacko.netgazer.net (yacko.netgazer.net [209.83.225.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA12241 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.83.225.224] (furball.netgazer.com [209.83.225.224]) by yacko.netgazer.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16391 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:59:33 GMT X-Sender: rootlist@yacko.netgazer.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:58:39 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Darrin R. Woods" Subject: INN question - expire Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been running an INN server for about a year now and have come up with a problem that I'm not sure what is going on. Expire seems to be taking about 10-12 hours each day. This started just a few days ago after I set the expire.ctl down abit to throw things away a little quicker. It is running on a P166, 128mb, 2.2.2FBSD, INN 1.5.1 with overchan. Expire never took this long before and has been running for about 10 hours or so for 3 days now. I changed it from: *:A:1:5:9 to *:A:1:4:7 According to the reports and the disk usage, I'm don't that much more news than before, it just seems to be taking longer. Here's my cron job: 40 2 * * * /usr/local/news/bin/news.daily delayrm expireover Any ideas of what might be causing it to take so long? Thanks in advance Darrin R. Woods | "Will Work for Bandwidth" Director of Operations | Netgazer Solutions, Inc. | Dallas, Texas 972.702.9119 | work: http://www.netgazer.net My employer most whole-heartedly denies everything I say From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 09:15:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13951 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-004coauroP07.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13917; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04572; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:47 -0600 Message-ID: <34196AB3.7D4B39D1@denverweb.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:47 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" CC: skat@flask.com, Jason McKay , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages References: <199709112059.NAA18275@MindBender.serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The scripts are interpreted and run on the server when the page that > contains them is hit, generating HTML, as necessary, and are capable > of invoking and activating standard COM objects on the server. IIS > keeps track of session and application scope. It provides objects > that give access to the session and application scope. > > It's actually very cool stuff. Does it conform to any RFC's, or is it more microsquid propriatary stuff that only runs on their crappy NT servers? In other words, is it OPEN? Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 09:20:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA14405 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host1.texramp.net (root@host1.texramp.net [205.230.0.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA14397 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: lashby@texramp.net Received: from admin.texramp.net (admin.texramp.net [205.230.0.200]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02176 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:24:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709121624.LAA02176@host1.texramp.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:21:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NAT for dialups? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After filling out Yet Another Justification for more IP space, I'm looking for ways to squeeze our current utilization even tighter. One possibility I've been thinking about is installing a FreeBSD server with natd and two NIC's on our network and putting most of our dialup terminal servers behind it. Any customer who's being assigned a dynamic IP would be given a number from a hunt group connected to one of those termservers, and their address would be assigned out of the 10.x.x.x space. Web surfing and email should work fine, but what about other services, such as IRC, ICQ, whatever. Would this cause a problem with backtracking a problem user through DNS? Is anybody else doing this, and if so, how successfully? Logan Ashby http://www.texramp.net lashby@texramp.net sysadmin@texramp.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 10:11:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA18817 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18771 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA20718; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709121710.KAA20718@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: spammer used our domain In-Reply-To: <34193AB0.2781E494@cablenet.net> from Damian Hamill at "Sep 12, 97 01:50:57 pm" To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jlewis@fdt.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > A spammer recently sent an email to members@aol.com using a bogus from > address as a user in our domain. I temporarily blocked emails from aol > but I had to remove the block for obvious reasons. I am still getting > replies from indignant people. I can't help you fix the hate mail being sent to you, but I can offer the fact that in some states there is case law on the books with significant damages collected against people who have done this. If you have been able to track down the source of the spam that used your domain address as a reply-to or from field you have ground for civil and/or criminal action against the party/parties who created it. > Is there a rule I can add to "check_rcpt" or another rule set to block > email from *@aol to postmaster@cablenet.net ? I'm not a ruleset wizz. > > would this work ? > > R$+ $: $&f $| $1 > R$*@aol.com $| postmaster@cablenet.net $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 sorry" > > > regards > damian > > -- > * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > * CableNet & The Landscape Channel > * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 10:16:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19465 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.cioe.com (news.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA19458 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by news.cioe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA13550; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:16:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:16:16 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Ames Message-Id: <199709121716.MAA13550@news.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, rootlist@netgazer.com Subject: Re: INN question - expire Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've been running an INN server for about a year now and have come up with > a problem that I'm not sure what is going on. > > Expire seems to be taking about 10-12 hours each day. This started just a > few days ago after I set the expire.ctl down abit to throw things away a > little quicker. I sometimes have a simiar problem. When news.daily is run from cron it takes 10-12 hours. If I run it manually it takes minutes. Symptoms of this behavior seem to be that when its going to take the slow route it rebuilds history.n.pag first before history.n. When I run it manually history.n gets built first. Don't understand it all. Would like to fix it, but its a standing problem. -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 10:31:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA21207 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lithium.dowco.com (lithium.dowco.com [206.12.26.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21195 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kevinmck@localhost) by lithium.dowco.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/CF.6) id KAA28815; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin McKinnon To: Marcin Pasek cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Live Feed..Real Audio ENCODER In-Reply-To: <3237A36A.1B2@polaccess.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Marcin Pasek wrote: > OK, > > I just d/l the server and encoder for windows nt...I am trying to do a > live decoding but this thing is not working..the Server tab on an > encoder is not avaliable....I know I setup a password for encoder but I > have no idea where I have to put that ion the encoder part...Please > help.. You need the live-enabled encoder, which is available from the private download site PN gives you when you buy the server. The regular encoder will encode a live source to a file (live-to-disk) but will not stream live to a server. Best regards, Kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin McKinnon, Systems Engineer kevinmck@dowco.com Dowco Computer Systems (dowco.com) http://www.dowco.com The World-Wide Retro-Rock Request Show http://www.retro-rock.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 10:45:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22407 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.alpine.net (oak.alpine.net [208.138.51.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22401 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rh@localhost) by oak.alpine.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) id KAA29826; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hodges To: lashby@texramp.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? In-Reply-To: <199709121624.LAA02176@host1.texramp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 lashby@texramp.net wrote: > After filling out Yet Another Justification for more IP space, I'm > looking for ways to squeeze our current utilization even tighter. > One possibility I've been thinking about is installing a FreeBSD > server with natd and two NIC's on our network and putting most of our > dialup terminal servers behind it. Any customer who's being assigned > a dynamic IP would be given a number from a hunt group connected to > one of those termservers, and their address would be assigned out of > the 10.x.x.x space. Web surfing and email should work fine, but > what about other services, such as IRC, ICQ, whatever. I did a quick test with ether/ether on a 486/100 with 2.2.2 It worked surprisingly well. I tested web, ftp, irc, news, realaudio, and MS file & print services. FTP pooped out around 400K/second, about half what it should be (CPU utilization: around 30%), but normal web browsing seemed as good (or better!) than before. > Would this cause a problem with backtracking a problem user > through DNS? Sure. All the connections would appear to originate from your NAT computer. On the other hand, it would be more difficult for someone on the internet to launch an attack on one of your customers. You get some primitive firewall protection for free. All the best, -Richard -------------------------------------------- Richard Hodges | (702) 888-3000 Alpine Internet | 400 Fairview Drive rh@alpine.net | Carson City, NV 89701 member, ISP/C From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 10:59:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23651 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23627; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by austin.aus.sig.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11290; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:52:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:52:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Thad Smith X-Sender: tsmith@austin.aus.sig.net To: Blaine Minazzi cc: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , skat@flask.com, Jason McKay , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: <34196AB3.7D4B39D1@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Does it conform to any RFC's, or is it more microsquid propriatary stuff > that only runs on their crappy NT servers? > > In other words, is it OPEN? I'm not completely sure, but I believe I heard somewhere that it runs only on Microsoft's IIS (Internet Information Server). Thad ___________________"We make the Internet work."___________________ Thad Smith tsmith@sig.net Technical Support helpdesk@sig.net SigNet Partners Inc. http://www.sig.net 512.306.0700 800.396.5158 fax: 512.306.0702 Tell us what you think; use the reply form at the address above! __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 11:05:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24270 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24253 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15507; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:01:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <34198362.15FB7483@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:01:06 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spammer used our domain References: <199709121710.KAA20718@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > A spammer recently sent an email to members@aol.com using a bogus from > > address as a user in our domain. I temporarily blocked emails from aol > > but I had to remove the block for obvious reasons. I am still getting > > replies from indignant people. > > I can't help you fix the hate mail being sent to you, but I can > offer the fact that in some states there is case law on the books > with significant damages collected against people who have done > this. If you have been able to track down the source of the spam > that used your domain address as a reply-to or from field you have > ground for civil and/or criminal action against the party/parties > who created it. I know exactly who it was, it was Orion Electronics whose phone number is 407-677-7952. Is that anywhere near Omaha Nebraska ? (it looks like they used a uunet dialup account to a PoP there to post the spam). regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 11:05:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24286 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24279 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA02464; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:04:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:04:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jlewis@fdt.net Subject: Re: spammer used our domain In-Reply-To: <34193AB0.2781E494@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk are you using sendmail 8.8.7? www.sendmail.org has some rules for this. On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > A spammer recently sent an email to members@aol.com using a bogus from > address as a user in our domain. I temporarily blocked emails from aol > but I had to remove the block for obvious reasons. I am still getting > replies from indignant people. > > Is there a rule I can add to "check_rcpt" or another rule set to block > email from *@aol to postmaster@cablenet.net ? I'm not a ruleset wizz. > > would this work ? > > R$+ $: $&f $| $1 > R$*@aol.com $| postmaster@cablenet.net $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 sorry" > > > regards > damian > > -- > * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > * CableNet & The Landscape Channel > * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 11:07:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24486 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24479 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15529; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:03:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <341983E5.59E2B600@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:03:17 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spammer used our domain References: <199709121710.KAA20718@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > A spammer recently sent an email to members@aol.com using a bogus from > > address as a user in our domain. I temporarily blocked emails from aol > > but I had to remove the block for obvious reasons. I am still getting > > replies from indignant people. > > I can't help you fix the hate mail being sent to you, but I can > offer the fact that in some states there is case law on the books > with significant damages collected against people who have done > this. If you have been able to track down the source of the spam > that used your domain address as a reply-to or from field you have > ground for civil and/or criminal action against the party/parties > who created it. The problem is though the spammer is based in the US and we are a UK company. It isn't going to be easy for us to pursue this. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 11:13:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24979 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24973 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA20890; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709121812.LAA20890@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: spammer used our domain In-Reply-To: <34198362.15FB7483@cablenet.net> from Damian Hamill at "Sep 12, 97 07:01:06 pm" To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > A spammer recently sent an email to members@aol.com using a bogus from > > > address as a user in our domain. I temporarily blocked emails from aol > > > but I had to remove the block for obvious reasons. I am still getting > > > replies from indignant people. > > > > I can't help you fix the hate mail being sent to you, but I can > > offer the fact that in some states there is case law on the books > > with significant damages collected against people who have done > > this. If you have been able to track down the source of the spam > > that used your domain address as a reply-to or from field you have > > ground for civil and/or criminal action against the party/parties > > who created it. > > I know exactly who it was, it was Orion Electronics whose phone number > is 407-677-7952. Is that anywhere near Omaha Nebraska ? (it looks like > they used a uunet dialup account to a PoP there to post the spam). If this has caused you damages, and you can document them, you may wish to contact a lawyer about filing a suite against them. If you wish I will contact someone I know who has been down this road and see if he is willing to help you out with it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 11:36:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA27244 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marlin.exis.net (root@marlin.exis.net [205.252.72.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27222 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sailfish.exis.net (sailfish.exis.net [205.252.72.104]) by marlin.exis.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21770; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:36:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Molnar To: Richard Hodges cc: lashby@texramp.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I did a quick test with ether/ether on a 486/100 with 2.2.2 It > worked surprisingly well. I tested web, ftp, irc, news, realaudio, > and MS file & print services. FTP pooped out around 400K/second, > about half what it should be (CPU utilization: around 30%), but > normal web browsing seemed as good (or better!) than before. Also someone might need to checkout gaming, via Kahn, and Kali. Too bad that I do not have enough time for gaming to test natd ether/ether. Stefan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 12:48:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA03125 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03111 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA134 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:46:16 +0200 Message-ID: <34199C2E.EB342A80@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:46:54 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Hodges wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 lashby@texramp.net wrote: -snip- > I did a quick test with ether/ether on a 486/100 with 2.2.2 It > worked surprisingly well. I tested web, ftp, irc, news, realaudio, > and MS file & print services. FTP pooped out around 400K/second, > about half what it should be (CPU utilization: around 30%), but > normal web browsing seemed as good (or better!) than before. I've done some FreeBSD routing performance test 2 weeks ago and figured out that a P133 with 16Megs RAM and two 3c90x FastEthernet cards can easy route at full (!) Ethernet speed between it. I've got about 8-9 Megs a second (and one segment has a little bit other traffic). That is impressive (try to calculate what a Cisco router costs...). I'm going to make more of this routing performance test with an controlled environment and some HSSI cards (how mutch is a SDL-T3 card?). -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 16:24:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17738 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [198.180.136.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17716; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) id NAA07029; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:24:12 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:24:12 -1000 (HST) From: David Langford Message-Id: <199709122324.NAA07029@caliban.dihelix.com> To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Hiding user directories without breaking ftp? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to get a system so that users can't "ls" other peoples home directories. The current problem is that this really breaks ftpd. It doesn't affect uploading to the directory, but when a user moves to a subdirectory and then tries to back out, it goes all the way to the server root directory. I set the dirs up like: drwxr-x--x 33 root nolist /u1 drwxr-x--x 33 root nolist /u1/u drwx--x--x 3 user user /u1/u/user PWD works like this. -r-xr-sr-x 1 bin nolist /bin/pwd Since ftpd setuid's the the incoming user then the getcwd() command doesnt work. I would like to figure out a way for getpwd() to work but break "ls". Thanks, -David Langford sysadmin@maui.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 17:12:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA20270 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.202.137.242] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20256 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA26842; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:11:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: IBS / Andre Oppermann Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? In-Reply-To: <34199C2E.EB342A80@pipeline.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > Richard Hodges wrote: > > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 lashby@texramp.net wrote: > -snip- > > I did a quick test with ether/ether on a 486/100 with 2.2.2 It > > worked surprisingly well. I tested web, ftp, irc, news, realaudio, > > and MS file & print services. FTP pooped out around 400K/second, > > about half what it should be (CPU utilization: around 30%), but > > normal web browsing seemed as good (or better!) than before. > > I've done some FreeBSD routing performance test 2 weeks ago and figured > out that a P133 with 16Megs RAM and two 3c90x FastEthernet cards can > easy route at full (!) Ethernet speed between it. I've got about > 8-9 Megs a second (and one segment has a little bit other traffic). > That is impressive (try to calculate what a Cisco router costs...). > I'm going to make more of this routing performance test with an > controlled environment and some HSSI cards (how mutch is a SDL-T3 > card?). So all we need now is an encryption module and voila instant VPN tunnels. This would be an incredibly good feature that would cause people to think twice about full blown FW and Ciscos costing $10K and up!! Regards, Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 18:01:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA22594 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22588 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27983; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd027981; Fri Sep 12 18:05:19 1997 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id SAA11978; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199709130101.SAA11978@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? In-Reply-To: from Andrew Webster at "Sep 12, 97 08:11:52 pm" To: andrew@pubnix.net Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, andre@pipeline.ch X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > > > Richard Hodges wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 lashby@texramp.net wrote: > > -snip- > > > I did a quick test with ether/ether on a 486/100 with 2.2.2 It > > > worked surprisingly well. I tested web, ftp, irc, news, realaudio, > > > and MS file & print services. FTP pooped out around 400K/second, > > > about half what it should be (CPU utilization: around 30%), but > > > normal web browsing seemed as good (or better!) than before. > > > > I've done some FreeBSD routing performance test 2 weeks ago and figured > > out that a P133 with 16Megs RAM and two 3c90x FastEthernet cards can > > easy route at full (!) Ethernet speed between it. I've got about > > 8-9 Megs a second (and one segment has a little bit other traffic). > > That is impressive (try to calculate what a Cisco router costs...). > > I'm going to make more of this routing performance test with an > > controlled environment and some HSSI cards (how mutch is a SDL-T3 > > card?). > > > So all we need now is an encryption module and voila instant VPN tunnels. > > This would be an incredibly good feature that would cause people to think > twice about full blown FW and Ciscos costing $10K and up!! > As you already talk about tunnel (encrypted or not), what software is everyone here using to do tunnels on FreeBSD ? :) -- Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 18:21:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23784 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23770 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id VAA11237; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id VAA07785; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:21:01 -0400 (EDT) To: "Darrin R. Woods" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: INN question - expire In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:58:39 CDT." Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <7762.874113660@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Darrin R. Woods" wrote in message ID : > Any ideas of what might be causing it to take so long? > > Thanks in advance You compiled INN with MMAP defined in config.data. expire works a *LOT* better if it is compiled with a libinn.a which does *NOT* use MMAP. This will be fixed in 1.6. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 21:39:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA03090 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03084; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sward@localhost) by voltage.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01749; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:42:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:42:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Susie Ward To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hiding user directories without breaking ftp? In-Reply-To: <199709122324.NAA07029@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Why not use wu-ftpd with the guest group, this will chroot the users into their own home directories and they can't back out past that. I'm using this with great success and I only hafta put /bin/ls in each users directory. On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, David Langford wrote: > I am trying to get a system so that users can't "ls" other peoples > home directories. > > The current problem is that this really breaks ftpd. > > It doesn't affect uploading to the directory, but when a user moves to a > subdirectory and then tries to back out, it goes all the way to the > server root directory. > > > I set the dirs up like: > > > drwxr-x--x 33 root nolist /u1 > drwxr-x--x 33 root nolist /u1/u > drwx--x--x 3 user user /u1/u/user > > PWD works like this. > > -r-xr-sr-x 1 bin nolist /bin/pwd > > Since ftpd setuid's the the incoming user then the getcwd() command doesnt > work. > > I would like to figure out a way for getpwd() to work but break "ls". > > > Thanks, > > -David Langford > sysadmin@maui.net > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 12 22:40:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06183 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toronto1 ([207.245.244.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06177 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cap1.net (cap1.net [207.245.244.1]) by toronto1 (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya001740 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:39:54 -0400 From: "Mr. Anthony Capone" To: Subject: Books Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:37:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <05395437100280@cap1.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone recommend a good book for setting up Freebsd as a Server for ISPs. Eg, dialup clients with authenication via RADIUS, setting up ppp, dns, with static and dynamic ppp routes and so on... Thanks, Anthony Capone - capone@cap1.net CEO/Network Anaylst Cap1 Online Sales - sales@cap1.net Techincal Support - support@cap1.net Phone (416) 241-9092 Fax (416) 241-9092 ** Toronto's Newest Internet Service ** From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 01:18:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA21053 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA21048 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03681; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:18:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:18:53 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott X-Sender: scot@homer.duff-beer.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel panics when the root directory is executed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been wondering why my maching hangs when I'm typing frantically and I discovered why the other day... sometimes when I try to do a cd .., the cd bit gets missed and I end up typing just .., which tries to execute that directory. But it only does it if I've got ~/bin in my path. If I type 'which ..' I get ~/bin/.. as the result. This also happens if I just execute '/', ie. the root directory. The panic that the kernel throws is: panic: ufs_lock : recursive lock not excepted, pid: ... This is quite scary, because we have users on this machine with no root access, but they're able to halt our machine whenever they want to. I guess this would be very scary for an ISP offering shell accounts. My setup is: FreeBSD Billy.poptart.org 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 2 00:17:32 BST 1997 scot@Billy.poptart.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/IDE i386 The shell in question is bash v2.00.0(0)-release Any ideas? Is this fixed in a later release of the OS? Thanks in advance. Scot ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 06:16:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA03602 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sheltonbbs.com ([206.196.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA03596 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 06:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from butch.sheltonlink.com (butch.sheltonlink.com [206.196.122.12]) by mail.sheltonbbs.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA04412 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:25:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709131325.IAA04412@mail.sheltonbbs.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Butch Evans" Organization: Shelton Internet, Inc. To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:16:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Digital Modem choices Reply-to: butche@sheltonbbs.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I hope this is not off-topic. We are about to turn in our analog dial-in lines for digital. I have considered several options, and have settled on the Cisco AS5200, Ascend 4048, or PM3. I am leaning heavily toward the Ascend. Does anyone have any experience with any of these products that you can share with me? I currently have PM2s at all my POPs. I have heard that the Ascend's had trouble with overheating. I would appreciate any input you can provide. Thanks, and again, I apologize if this is off-topic. Butch Evans | SEMO's First and Largest Network Operations | Internet Service Provider Shelton Internet,Inc | Visit our Website at Malden, MO 63863 | http://www.sheltonbbs.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 09:36:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA12845 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA12840 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03443; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:49:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch Reply-To: Jeff Lynch To: "Mr. Anthony Capone" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Books In-Reply-To: <05395437100280@cap1.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Mr. Anthony Capone wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good book for setting up Freebsd as a Server for > ISPs. Eg, dialup clients with authenication via RADIUS, setting up ppp, > dns, with static and dynamic ppp routes and so on... > > Thanks, > > Anthony Capone - capone@cap1.net > CEO/Network Anaylst > Cap1 Online > Sales - sales@cap1.net > Techincal Support - support@cap1.net > Phone (416) 241-9092 Fax (416) 241-9092 > ** Toronto's Newest Internet Service ** > This is my OPINION. Feel free to add your opinions, but flames >/dev/null. I don't think books on this subject are very practical. Things change pretty quickly. If you break down the task into smaller questions, and ask for pointers to FAQs and tar distributions (most have pretty good readmes and install info), you'll be able to get what you need. Join any mail lists for the software and equipment you use and ask for help, but rt any fms, of course before you do. Get the system up on your network first, then get the other services going piecemeal, read the man pages, FAQs, etc... If a fairly comprehensive, up to date reference exists, I'd like to know about it so I can give it to my junior SAs. This is geek city and you need to get good at extracting the latest from mailing lists and ftp distributions. I use some of the ports and packages, but I have developed a strategy for managing change that I haven't been comfortable placing in the hands of any OS vendor. OS upgrades are a pain in the a** and most vendors don't spend much time making sure you get it done without considerable breakage. The exception to this are the zoo books from Orielly&Associates for things like DNS&Bind, sendmail and security topics. Books usually lag behind by a few releases and help build a knowlegde base, but IMNSHO you gotta have major hands-on the critical services to stay in step. I've probably gone overboard on the question, and the original poster may already know this, but managing change is arguably the MOST important task of the sysadmin. To properly do this over a sustained time period, and we all want to be in business for a long time, you have to know about everything else. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 09:57:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13605 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hack.babel.dk (root@hack.babel.dk [194.255.106.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13599 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shredder@localhost) by hack.babel.dk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA28300; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:56:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:56:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: chrw To: "Darrin R. Woods" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INN question - expire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Darrin R. Woods wrote: > I've been running an INN server for about a year now and have come up with > a problem that I'm not sure what is going on. > > Expire seems to be taking about 10-12 hours each day. This started just a > few days ago after I set the expire.ctl down abit to throw things away a > little quicker. > > It is running on a P166, 128mb, 2.2.2FBSD, INN 1.5.1 with overchan. Expire > never took this long before and has been running for about 10 hours or so > for 3 days now. I changed it from: I have experienced the exact same problem, and to begin with I thought my feed suddenly had started feeding much more news than ordinarily.. I had to reset my news spool and history files, and after that things returned to normal. My setup is a p90 80MB memory and 3x4GB scsi spool, running fbsd 2.2.2, INN 1.5.1. I have no explanation to what caused it. > > Darrin R. Woods | "Will Work for Bandwidth" > Director of Operations | > Netgazer Solutions, Inc. | > Dallas, Texas 972.702.9119 | work: http://www.netgazer.net > > My employer most whole-heartedly denies everything I say Christoffer Walther Unix Admin & Hostmaster PROVENTUM " The internet has perfomed an illegal operation and will now be shut down " From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 11:39:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA19813 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from css.tuu.utas.edu.au (acs@css.tuu.utas.edu.au [131.217.115.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA19806 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew@ugh.net.au Received: from localhost (acs@localhost) by css.tuu.utas.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA10236; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:40:25 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: depravitas.tuu.utas.edu.au: acs owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:40:25 +1000 (EST) To: Scot Elliott cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel panics when the root directory is executed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Meaning-of-Life: none X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Scot Elliott wrote: > This is quite scary, because we have users on this machine with no root > access, but they're able to halt our machine whenever they want to. I > guess this would be very scary for an ISP offering shell accounts. I dont have thish problem (not running bash though). tcsh just says : Permission denied. > FreeBSD Billy.poptart.org 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 2 00:17:32 > BST 1997 scot@Billy.poptart.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/IDE i386 My stable was only built 10 days after yours... Andrew From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 12:49:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22846 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radford.i-plus.net (root@Radford.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22840 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from totally.nutty.net (insane@totally.nutty.net [206.99.237.44]) by radford.i-plus.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12327; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709131947.PAA12327@radford.i-plus.net> Reply-To: "Troy Settle" From: "Troy Settle" To: , Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:54:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Butch: This probably is off-topic, as it's not really related to FreeBSD. With that said, I'd like to say that we've had nothing but the best of luck with Ascend products. We've had a 4004 since last January, and the total downtime on it has been about 45 minutes while upgrading from analog to digital modems. I can't speak for the 4048, but Ascend's overheating problems seem to have gone down quite a bit since the advent of digital modems. Since I've used neither, I can't comment on the Cisco or the Livingston. If you haven't seen it yet, http://www.k56flex.com seems to have some fairly decent informaion on the subject. Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net -----Original Message----- From: Butch Evans To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 9:37 AM Subject: Digital Modem choices >I hope this is not off-topic. We are about to turn in our analog >dial-in lines for digital. I have considered several options, and >have settled on the Cisco AS5200, Ascend 4048, or PM3. I am leaning >heavily toward the Ascend. Does anyone have any experience with any >of these products that you can share with me? I currently have PM2s >at all my POPs. I have heard that the Ascend's had trouble with >overheating. I would appreciate any input you can provide. Thanks, >and again, I apologize if this is off-topic. > > > >Butch Evans | SEMO's First and Largest >Network Operations | Internet Service Provider >Shelton Internet,Inc | Visit our Website at >Malden, MO 63863 | http://www.sheltonbbs.com > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 14:13:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29934 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29927 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA16996; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970913141335.54864@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:13:35 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Ulf Zimmermann Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? References: <199709130101.SAA11978@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199709130101.SAA11978@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net>; from Ulf Zimmermann on Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 06:01:13PM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ulf Zimmermann scribbled this message on Sep 12: > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > > > > So all we need now is an encryption module and voila instant VPN tunnels. > > > > This would be an incredibly good feature that would cause people to think > > twice about full blown FW and Ciscos costing $10K and up!! > > > > As you already talk about tunnel (encrypted or not), what software is everyone > here using to do tunnels on FreeBSD ? :) well.. right now a friend and I are using iij-ppp to do a tunnel.. of course the slowest part of the link is a 28.8k modem.. so it's probably not quite what you want... but it was REALLY easy to set up (just read the man page, they talk about it)... ttyl... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 15:42:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03938 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03933 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: scot@poptart.org Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06306; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:42:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:42:10 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: scot@homer.duff-beer.com To: andrew@ugh.net.au cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel panics when the root directory is executed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yeah.. it only appears to happen with bash-2. But the point is that the kernel should not attempt to execute a directory, even if a shell sends the exec call one. Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 andrew@ugh.net.au wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Scot Elliott wrote: > > > This is quite scary, because we have users on this machine with no root > > access, but they're able to halt our machine whenever they want to. I > > guess this would be very scary for an ISP offering shell accounts. > > I dont have thish problem (not running bash though). tcsh just says > : Permission denied. > > > FreeBSD Billy.poptart.org 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 2 00:17:32 > > BST 1997 scot@Billy.poptart.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/IDE i386 > > My stable was only built 10 days after yours... > > Andrew > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 16:00:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA04679 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.cioe.com (news.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04671; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by news.cioe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA07521; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:00:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:00:50 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Ames Message-Id: <199709132300.SAA07521@news.cioe.com> To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, rootlist@netgazer.com Subject: Re: INN question - expire Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Any ideas of what might be causing it to take so long? > > > > Thanks in advance > > You compiled INN with MMAP defined in config.data. expire works a > *LOT* better if it is compiled with a libinn.a which does *NOT* use > MMAP. This will be fixed in 1.6. Woa! I thought compiling with MMAP was a good thing? -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 16:03:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA04786 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patrick.interlog.com (patrick.interlog.com [206.108.68.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04781 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (patrick@localhost) by patrick.interlog.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00355; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:02:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: patrick.interlog.com: patrick owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:02:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick McConnell To: scot@poptart.org cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel panics when the root directory is executed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm using Bash 2.00.0(1), and when I try to execute / (as non-root), I get bash: /: is a directory Maybe your problem can be solved by upgrading Bash. Patrick On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 scot@poptart.org wrote: > Yeah.. it only appears to happen with bash-2. But the point is that > the kernel should not attempt to execute a directory, even if a shell > sends the exec call one. > > Scot. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org > or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html > > > On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 andrew@ugh.net.au wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Scot Elliott wrote: > > > > > This is quite scary, because we have users on this machine with no root > > > access, but they're able to halt our machine whenever they want to. I > > > guess this would be very scary for an ISP offering shell accounts. > > > > I dont have thish problem (not running bash though). tcsh just says > > : Permission denied. > > > > > FreeBSD Billy.poptart.org 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 2 00:17:32 > > > BST 1997 scot@Billy.poptart.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/IDE i386 > > > > My stable was only built 10 days after yours... > > > > Andrew > > > > > -- Patrick McConnell (patrick@interlog.com) "640k ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates, 1981 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 17:22:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA08203 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08195 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07871; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709140024.RAA07871@implode.root.com> To: scot@poptart.org cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel panics when the root directory is executed In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:42:10 BST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:24:05 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Yeah.. it only appears to happen with bash-2. But the point is that >the kernel should not attempt to execute a directory, even if a shell >sends the exec call one. Of course you are right. I will look into this over the weekend. I don't think it will be difficult to fix. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 18:16:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA10616 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10607 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from archer@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA00678 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 03:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 03:51:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Alexander Litvin Message-Id: <199709140051.DAA00678@burka.carrier.kiev.ua> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sync card? In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970309; i386 FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In you wrote: > > We use Cyclades 16y, > Sadly, it is true that Cyclades supports Linux but not FreeBSD, but I > found there was plenty of support from FreeBSD-isp, FreeBSD-hackers. > > > We plan to buy some others boards, If you have some experience with your > > driver/supplyer/PPP > Well, you can also try the Stallion boards, but before you ditch Cyclades > note well that the Linux drivers for Cyclades are add-ons supplied by > Cyclades; the FreeBSD driver is ***integrated into the FreeBSD kernel***. > This is why you need to ask FreeBSD people about the driver, not > Cyclades Inc. > I have found the Cyclades cards to work well, without much fuss, except > for some CLOCAL problems. What problems did you experience? Hi! Sorry for intrudision, but we have a lot of problems with PCI Cyclades 16Y. First, our terminal server (2.2.1, P120, 2 SCSI HDD) completely refused to work properly with them -- it persistently crashed in some ten minutes after boot, when all 15 modems were on. With 10 modems it crashed in half an hour. All that was accompanied with silo overflows (hundreds of them on each port). The same thing happened with the other terminal server (2.2.2, P100 IDE HDD) -- here it was only 8 lines which caused crash in some ten minutes after boot. So we switched back to digi and ISA Cyclades. Though these two terminal servers there pretty busy (mail relays as well). So we installed another terminal server, which handles only dial-in (3.0-970807-SNAP, P150). With only 5 lines (38400 on Cyclades ports) it lives quite stably now, but silo overflows still persist, and we are afraid that if we switch on some 10 lines more, it also will die. :( As far as I can track current, there's some work under way on cy driver. May be, someone have some hints on tuning the driver? I may survive overflows, but if the machine crush every two hours, it will be catastrophic. Or may be, someone have any idea what to use for about 30 dial lines to be handled by the single FreeBSD box? > Danny -- Alexander Litvin From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 18:40:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA11434 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11362 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA27511; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:09:34 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970914110933.01330@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:09:34 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jeff Lynch Cc: "Mr. Anthony Capone" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Books References: <05395437100280@cap1.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Jeff Lynch on Sat, Sep 13, 1997 at 11:49:37AM -0500 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Sep 13, 1997 at 11:49:37AM -0500, Jeff Lynch wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Mr. Anthony Capone wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend a good book for setting up Freebsd as a Server for >> ISPs. Eg, dialup clients with authenication via RADIUS, setting up ppp, >> dns, with static and dynamic ppp routes and so on... > > I don't think books on this subject are very practical. I can understand your concern. I'm currently working on the second edition of "The Complete FreeBSD", which will include significant network content. It'll be primarily aimed at the end user, but I want to include some information for ISPs. I don't intend to include RADIUS, but it will include most other topics, including setup of DNS, ftpd and web servers. If you have other topics which are of general interest, please let me know. The schedule is tight, but even if I don't get it into this edition, the next one won't be too far away. If you're interested, pick up the table of contents at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/toc.ps.gz (PostScript) or ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/toc.ascii.gz. Please give me feedback if you do. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 22:15:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22234 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22228 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16758; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:15:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:15:11 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Ulf Zimmermann , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? In-Reply-To: <19970913141335.54864@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Ulf Zimmermann scribbled this message on Sep 12: > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > > > > > > So all we need now is an encryption module and voila instant VPN tunnels. > > > > > > This would be an incredibly good feature that would cause people to think > > > twice about full blown FW and Ciscos costing $10K and up!! > > > > > > > As you already talk about tunnel (encrypted or not), what software is everyone > > here using to do tunnels on FreeBSD ? :) You can use the "IP over IP" software developed for ham radio use. ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/ipip.tar.gz Danny /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 22:26:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22610 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22604 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27933 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:09:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:09:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Russ Panula To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? In-Reply-To: <19970913141335.54864@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The one problem with using NAT for dialups are those applications that require unique client IP addresses to operate. The one that comes to mind is Quake. Two clients behind a NAT box connecting to the same Quake server will not be able to connect. Poor design on Id's part, but it is one factor you may want to consider since that may not be the only application affected. Regards, Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 13 23:45:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25361 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host1.texramp.net (root@host1.texramp.net [205.230.0.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25347 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: lashby@texramp.net Received: from admin.texramp.net (admin.texramp.net [205.230.0.200]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA09218 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 01:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709140650.BAA09218@host1.texramp.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 01:46:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: NAT for dialups? Priority: normal References: <19970913141335.54864@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 14 Sep 97 at 0:09, Russ Panula wrote: > The one problem with using NAT for dialups are those applications > that require unique client IP addresses to operate. > > The one that comes to mind is Quake. Someone already mentioned gamers might be a problem. They're a minority, but an extremely vocal one. If I can't figure out a way to work around that problem that alone would probably kill the idea. :( I knew there had to be a reason everybody wasn't doing something so simple. I still plan to setup a test and see how it goes. Thanks, Logan Ashby http://www.texramp.net lashby@texramp.net sysadmin@texramp.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=