From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Nov 23 13:19:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA02327 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from vdp01.vailsystems.com (root@vdp01.vailsystems.com [207.152.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02319 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:19:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel@vailsys.com) Received: from crocodile.vale.com (crocodile [192.168.128.47]) by vdp01.vailsystems.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14322 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from vailsys.com (slave1.vale.com [192.168.129.10]) by crocodile.vale.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21533 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:19:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3478A178.12C02104@vailsys.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:34:48 -0600 From: Dan Riley Organization: Vail Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: cyrus imap sendmail rules Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently installed the Cyrus IMAP server from the port and built a sendmail.cf using the m4 macro example cyrusproto.mc. Sendmail complains when starting trying to use the generated sendmail.cf: 554 /etc/sendmail.cf: line 745: invalid rewrite line "Rbb + `+ < @ `=w . > `#cyrusbb `: `1" (tab expected) Am I missing something here? I am pretty sure I remember building a working sendmail.cf with the same example mc file although sendmail may have been several releases older. FreeBSD 2.2.5-Stable. Thanks, Dan Riley From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Nov 23 23:38:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA12239 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:38:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns3.harborcom.net (ns3.harborcom.net [206.158.4.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA12234 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bradley@harborcom.net) Received: from bradley by ns3.harborcom.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xZt5l-0006Tf-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:38:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns3.harborcom.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: tcpserver? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone have any experiences with tcpserver that he/she would care to share? I am specifically interested in using it as a replacement for inetd. More info at: ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/ucspi-tcp.html Bradley From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 00:01:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA14232 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14221 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id SAA14579 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:01:08 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199711240801.SAA14579@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: login.conf and squid X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:01:08 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am having trouble with squid running out of RAM after upgrading to FreeBSD 2.2.5. I have been told it is due to the login.conf setting being too low. Looking through the login.conf file there is no entry for nobody or nogroup which is squid default for its cache_effective_user. I presume I have to put in an entry. My question is shoud cache_effective_user be left as nobody/nogroup and a login.conf entry put in, or should squid be run as some other user like daemon, to suit FreeBSD? Keep in mind that the machine is only used as a proxy server with no other user access. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 09:23:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA16637 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:23:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16625 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA12675; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:23:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:23:47 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: Dan Roberts cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd equiv of inittab In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Dan Roberts wrote: > I'm attempting to set up automatic shutdown on my ISP's FreeBSD servers > when the power runs out on our UPS. The only suitable daemons I could > find for the task are powerd and upsd, both intended for use with Linux. > The problem I run into is that Linux has /etc/inittab and FreeBSD does > not. I'm sure there's got to either be a FreeBSD version of upsd out > there, or at the very least a BSD equivelent of inittab so that I can hack > the daemon.. can anyone help me with this? Thanks! I'm not sure what Linux's inittab does, is it just a startup script or is there more to it? If they can standalone and monitor the serial port themselves they could run under the emulator. In any case, there is a FreeBSD-native upsd. It can talk to APC SmartUPSs in smart mode and is extensible if you have the protocol spec. You can fetch it from: http://cre8tivegroup.com/upsd.html Grab rev 2.0.1.6. Or it's on the FreeBSD CDROM in /xperimnt/upsd. It builds and installs cleanly (make && make install). There isn't much documentation, but the sample config files in sample/ should be enough to get you started. I'm writing some manpages and as soon as I get some specs for other units and implement some other features I'll put out an add-on release. Just put the desired config file in /etc/upsd.conf and fire off upsd. I'm using it right now on a SmartUPS 600 and it does the job quite nicely. If anyone out there knows of good places to get smart protocol specs for Best Power, Exide, or other units (other than asking directly) let me know. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 10:49:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23674 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:49:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from dumbwinter.logic.it (m1.logic.it [195.120.151.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23668 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:49:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from molter@logic.it) Received: (qmail 1699 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Nov 1997 18:41:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:41:06 +0100 (MET) From: Marco Molteni To: Bradley Dunn cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tcpserver? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: > Does anyone have any experiences with tcpserver that > he/she would care to share? I am specifically interested > in using it as a replacement for inetd. More info at: > ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/ucspi-tcp.html I'm using tcpserver with qmail's virtual pop3 servers. It works perfectly, although one has go understand the different way of use wrt inetd. I'd say that tcpserver isn't a replacement for inetd. For some works, tcpserver is a replacement for inetd + tcpwrappers. Marco Molteni Computer Science student at the Universita' degli studi di Milano, Italy. "Whuffo you jump out of them airplanes?" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 11:52:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28712 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28696 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webadmin@adsight.com) Received: from localhost (webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02781; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:50:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Magee To: Dan Roberts cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd equiv of inittab In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Which UPS are you using? I have an APC Smart-UPS V/S 650 which I've > > setup using upsd. If you're using one of these UPS's, I could send > > you my upsd.conf which works fine with the V/S series. > > I'm using APC SmartUPS 1400's.. if I'm not mistaken, the V/S is rack > mountable? I don't have my pamphlet in front of me, but would think that > these units would be compatible none-the-less. I'd appreciate a look at > your .conf file. > > Is the upsd that you're using the FreeBSD version or the stock Linux > version? As far as I can tell, the Linux version will not work with BSD > systems, though I could be mistaken. > > Thanks. > > -- > Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services > sysadmin/ircadmin, barovia.oh.us.dal.net for Internet access in NE Ohio > http://barovia.dal.net - Strahd on DALnet http://www.gwis.com > > I'm sure my config file won't work for you as it was tweaked for the V/S series (not as smart as the regular "Smart-UPS") but here it is for anyone who's interested. Check Doug White's response from today as well for setting up the regular Smart-UPS. -- Sam --------------------------------------------------- # $Id: upsd.conf,v 2.0 1996/01/28 11:50:37 alexis Exp $ # # UPS Daemon # The Wild Wind Communications, 1995, 1996 # # See file LICENSE for the distribution terms of this software. # ups "smart-ups-vs" (420) proto "apc-smart-vs" { device "/dev/cuaa0" speed 2400 read-timeout 2 write-block-size 1 write-block-delay 50 queue-size 64 } every 5 { poll "status" # PowerChute does it so do we } on "initialize" != "SM" { poll "initialize" after 60 every 60 { log emerg "Cannot put the UPS into smart mode!" } } every 300 { # poll the UPS poll "last-test" log info "last test: %last-test%" } on "line-fail" every 20 { log emerg "*** ALERT! Source power line failed, logout NOW! ***" } on "line-restore" { log emerg "Source power line restored, you may continue your work." } on "line-fail" after 300 { log emerg "*** ALERT! THE SYSTEM IS SHUTTING DOWN! ***" poll "shutdown" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "shutdown" sleep 2 exec "/sbin/halt &" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" poll "shutdown" poll "power-test" sleep 1000 # let us wait peacefully } From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 15:51:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA17139 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:51:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17134 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@wicked.eaznet.com) Received: (from eddie@localhost) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA12041 for isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:53:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:53:47 -0700 (MST) From: Eddie Fry Message-Id: <199711242353.QAA12041@wicked.eaznet.com> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Web Page Restrictions Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, this is a little off topic. But, I thought others might be interested. I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is there a way to "turn-off" the ~xxx link to a certain user's page? TIA, Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 16:31:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19830 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:31:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19820 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA15349; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:01:02 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19971125110101.65507@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:01:01 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Eddie Fry Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions References: <199711242353.QAA12041@wicked.eaznet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199711242353.QAA12041@wicked.eaznet.com>; from Eddie Fry on Mon, Nov 24, 1997 at 04:53:47PM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Nov 24, 1997 at 04:53:47PM -0700, Eddie Fry wrote: > Sorry, this is a little off topic. But, I thought others might be interested. > > I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is there a way to "turn-off" the ~xxx link to a certain user's page? I'm sorry, but I have decided not to answer messages which have no line breaks or alternate long and short lines. It's completely avoidable, and it is a pain to read. In case you're not aware of this, there is a possibility that it is due to your mailer, either because it is broken by design, or because it is incorrectly configured. I have noted that the following mailers seem to have problems in this area: "Microsoft Mail" Microsoft Outlook Mozilla (Netscape) exmh For other aspects of mailing to FreeBSD-questions, please look at the regular posting every Monday, or get the document from: ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/Howto-ask-questions http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 16:36:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA20300 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gate.leissner.se (gate.leissner.se [193.45.192.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA20254 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:36:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pol@leissner.se) Received: from leissner.se (uucp@localhost) by gate.leissner.se (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id AAA02596 for freebsd.org!isp; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:36:09 GMT Received: from lda.leissner.se by lda.leissner.se id aa23952; 25 Nov 97 1:35 SNT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125013534.0068bdf4@lda> X-Sender: pol@lda X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:35:46 +0100 To: Eddie Fry , isp@freebsd.org From: Peter Olsson Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA20268 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 16:53 1997-11-24 -0700 Eddie Fry wrote: >I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is there a way to "turn-off" the üxxx link to a certain user's page? Make his web-directory (default public_html) owned by root, chmod it to 700 and delete all his files in the directory. Peter Olsson pol@leissner.se From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 17:18:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22631 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from grover.ecom.unimelb.edu.au (grover.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU [128.250.130.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22624 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:18:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from p.crumpler@ecomfac.unimelb.edu.au) Received: from ernie (ernie.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU [128.250.130.58]) by grover.ecom.unimelb.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09151 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:17:55 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971125121826.009875e0@grover.ecom.unimelb.edu.au> X-Sender: flip@grover.ecom.unimelb.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:18:26 +1100 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Phillip Crumpler Subject: inetd & login_getclass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I've had a good look around... My FreeBSD box constantly put messages on the console like: Nov 25 12:07:33 grover inetd[9122]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' The machine is 2.2.2, nothing special installed (Apache and Samba are about all). Every FreeBSD box I've had has done this :-) I'd guess there is a particular line in inetd.conf that is causing it - does anyone have any suggestions where to look? cheers - phillip - ____________________________________________________________________ Phillip Crumpler LITE Department of Management The University of Melbourne p.crumpler@ecomfac.unimelb.edu.au phone: +613 9344 4593 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 17:26:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA23088 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:26:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23077 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:26:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id SAA00274; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06011; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:24:26 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:24:26 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Peter Olsson cc: Eddie Fry , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971125013534.0068bdf4@lda> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA23084 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Olsson wrote: > 16:53 1997-11-24 -0700 Eddie Fry wrote: > >I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up > pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is > there a way to "turn-off" the üxxx link to a certain user's page? > > Make his web-directory (default public_html) owned by root, > chmod it to 700 and delete all his files in the directory. I'm afraid that won't do much. All he has to do is remove the directory and make a new one. You can make it immutable, but you don't want to do that unless you want to. In Apache 1.3, you can disable specific ~userdirs. See the mod_userdir docs for details. You can't do this in 1.2. Otherwise, you can add something like: deny from all AllowOverride none to your config file. /home/user has to be what ~user is. It may be /usr/home or /home or something else in your passwd file. It must be what is in the passwd file, it is not enough for it to be a symlink to the same place. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 17:41:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24307 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:41:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gate.leissner.se (gate.leissner.se [193.45.192.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24302 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pol@leissner.se) Received: from leissner.se (uucp@localhost) by gate.leissner.se (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id BAA03379 for freebsd.org!isp; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:41:16 GMT Received: from lda.leissner.se by lda.leissner.se id aa25034; 25 Nov 97 2:40 SNT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125024034.006f6f64@lda> X-Sender: pol@lda X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:40:40 +0100 To: Marc Slemko From: Peter Olsson Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Cc: Eddie Fry , isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA24303 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 18:24 1997-11-24 -0700, Marc Slemko wrote: >On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Olsson wrote: > >> 16:53 1997-11-24 -0700 Eddie Fry wrote: >> >I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up >> pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is >> there a way to "turn-off" the üxxx link to a certain user's page? >> >> Make his web-directory (default public_html) owned by root, >> chmod it to 700 and delete all his files in the directory. > >I'm afraid that won't do much. All he has to do is remove the directory >and make a new one. Hmmm, ok, you're right. But if you put a dummy-file in the directory, and the file is also owned by root and chmod'ed 700, then he can't remove the directory. At least I hope so because I just tried it and I couldn't remove the directory. At least not with "rmdir" or "rm -r". Sorry, answered before testing last time. Peter Olsson pol@leissner.se From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 17:48:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24820 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:48:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24811 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:48:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id SAA01134; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06165; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:46:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:46:59 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Peter Olsson cc: Eddie Fry , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971125024034.006f6f64@lda> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA24812 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Olsson wrote: > 18:24 1997-11-24 -0700, Marc Slemko wrote: > >On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Olsson wrote: > > > >> 16:53 1997-11-24 -0700 Eddie Fry wrote: > >> >I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up > >> pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is > >> there a way to "turn-off" the üxxx link to a certain user's page? > >> > >> Make his web-directory (default public_html) owned by root, > >> chmod it to 700 and delete all his files in the directory. > > > >I'm afraid that won't do much. All he has to do is remove the directory > >and make a new one. > > Hmmm, ok, you're right. But if you put a dummy-file in the directory, > and the file is also owned by root and chmod'ed 700, then he can't > remove the directory. At least I hope so because I just tried it and I > couldn't remove the directory. At least not with "rmdir" or "rm -r". > > Sorry, answered before testing last time. mv public_html my_goats mkdir public_html # stick my web pages there From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 18:01:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26475 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:01:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gate.leissner.se (gate.leissner.se [193.45.192.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26467 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:01:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pol@leissner.se) Received: from leissner.se (uucp@localhost) by gate.leissner.se (8.8.5/8.8.4) with UUCP id CAA03546 for freebsd.org!isp; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:01:41 GMT Received: from lda.leissner.se by lda.leissner.se id aa25263; 25 Nov 97 3:01 SNT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125030108.015b8d58@lda> X-Sender: pol@lda X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:01:13 +0100 To: Marc Slemko From: Peter Olsson Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Cc: Eddie Fry , isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA26470 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 18:46 1997-11-24 -0700, Marc Slemko wrote: >On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Olsson wrote: > >> 18:24 1997-11-24 -0700, Marc Slemko wrote: >> >On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Olsson wrote: >> > >> >> 16:53 1997-11-24 -0700 Eddie Fry wrote: >> >> >I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up >> >> pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is >> >> there a way to "turn-off" the üxxx link to a certain user's page? >> >> >> >> Make his web-directory (default public_html) owned by root, >> >> chmod it to 700 and delete all his files in the directory. >> > >> >I'm afraid that won't do much. All he has to do is remove the directory >> >and make a new one. >> >> Hmmm, ok, you're right. But if you put a dummy-file in the directory, >> and the file is also owned by root and chmod'ed 700, then he can't >> remove the directory. At least I hope so because I just tried it and I >> couldn't remove the directory. At least not with "rmdir" or "rm -r". >> >> Sorry, answered before testing last time. > >mv public_html my_goats >mkdir public_html ># stick my web pages there > > Ok, I give up :) I shouldn't try answering any questions at 3 AM :) (If this was one of my users and he didn't accept the rules I would make his entire home-directory, except his real web, read-only. Then, at least, I hope I win :) Peter Olsson pol@leissner.se From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 18:31:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA29631 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:31:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from m20.morelr.com (m20.morelr.com [206.240.30.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29618 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:31:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmorel@morelr.com) Received: from m3 (m3.morelr.com [206.240.30.3]) by m20.morelr.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18700 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:31:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971125023105.00d3dbcc@mail.morelr.com> X-Sender: rmorel@mail.morelr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:31:05 -0600 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rick Morel Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:01 AM 11/25/97 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Mon, Nov 24, 1997 at 04:53:47PM -0700, Eddie Fry wrote: >> Sorry, this is a little off topic. But, I thought others might be interested. >> >> I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is there a way to "turn-off" the ~xxx link to a certain user's page? > >I'm sorry, but I have decided not to answer messages which have no >line breaks or alternate long and short lines. It's completely >avoidable, and it is a pain to read. > >In case you're not aware of this, there is a possibility that it is >due to your mailer, either because it is broken by design, or because >it is incorrectly configured. I have noted that the following mailers >seem to have problems in this area: > > "Microsoft Mail" > Microsoft Outlook > Mozilla (Netscape) > exmh > >For other aspects of mailing to FreeBSD-questions, please look at the >regular posting every Monday, or get the document from: > >ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/Howto-ask-questions >http://www.lemis.com/questions.html > >Greg > Strong stuff coming. I am so sick of this kind of creep. Man, why don't you eat a Twinkie and get a life? Oh, and why can't you keep your web server up? I tried to see what kind of elitist crap you've got on your web page and got a "no response". Or are you so busy criticizing folks who are simply trying to learn that you don't even have a domain, and wouldn't know how to administer it anyway? Perhaps it's _your_ email client that's "broken", as you say, in that it can't handle the various styles of others? Ever think of that, A-hole? Or is only what you use the best? Rick Morel From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 19:42:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA05054 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from atlas.iexpress.net.au (root@atlas.iexpress.net.au [203.61.175.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05048 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:42:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@iexpress.net.au) Received: from support1.iexpress.net.au (support1.iexpress.net.au [203.61.175.54]) by atlas.iexpress.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20516 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:41:43 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971125114448.00690af8@iexpress.net.au> X-Sender: mikey@iexpress.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:44:48 +0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Michael Slater Subject: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? Michael From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 22:06:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA15001 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:06:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from MAIL2 ([168.160.61.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14996 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:06:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wujie@mailhost.net) Received: from wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net - 202.96.57.73 by mail.ihw.co.cn with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:07:26 +0800 Reply-To: "Wu, Jie" From: "Wu, Jie" To: , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:05:19 +0800 Message-ID: <01bcf968$1be5eee0$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Rick Morel, I agree with you. There must be something wrong with Greg Lehey so he just keeps yelling at others very impolitely. Maybe he is a nut. -----Original Message----- >At 11:01 AM 11/25/97 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >>On Mon, Nov 24, 1997 at 04:53:47PM -0700, Eddie Fry wrote: >>> Sorry, this is a little off topic. But, I thought others might be >interested. >>> >>> I'm running 2.2.2 and Apache. I have a customer that keeps putting up >pages that should be in his own domain (we host a domain for him). Is there >a way to "turn-off" the ~xxx link to a certain user's page? >> >>I'm sorry, but I have decided not to answer messages which have no >>line breaks or alternate long and short lines. It's completely >>avoidable, and it is a pain to read. >> >>In case you're not aware of this, there is a possibility that it is >>due to your mailer, either because it is broken by design, or because >>it is incorrectly configured. I have noted that the following mailers >>seem to have problems in this area: >> >> "Microsoft Mail" >> Microsoft Outlook >> Mozilla (Netscape) >> exmh >> >>For other aspects of mailing to FreeBSD-questions, please look at the >>regular posting every Monday, or get the document from: >> >>ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/Howto-ask-questions >>http://www.lemis.com/questions.html >> >>Greg >> > >Strong stuff coming. I am so sick of this kind of creep. > >Man, why don't you eat a Twinkie and get a life? Oh, and why can't you keep >your web server up? I tried to see what kind of elitist crap you've got on >your web page and got a "no response". Or are you so busy criticizing folks >who are simply trying to learn that you don't even have a domain, and >wouldn't know how to administer it anyway? > >Perhaps it's _your_ email client that's "broken", as you say, in that it >can't handle the various styles of others? Ever think of that, A-hole? Or is >only what you use the best? > > >Rick Morel > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 24 23:14:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA19466 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:14:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ha1.rdc1.occa.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.occa.home.com [24.1.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA19455 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@beach.net) Received: from busarow.beach.net ([24.1.145.25]) by ha1.rdc1.occa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA6015; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:14:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:17:08 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Rick Morel cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971125023105.00d3dbcc@mail.morelr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Rick Morel wrote: > Perhaps it's _your_ email client that's "broken", as you say, in that it > can't handle the various styles of others? Ever think of that, A-hole? Or is > only what you use the best? If you bother to check the X-Mailer header on the messages containing *answers*, you will probably find that most of them are text based. You want to cut that segment of the population out of your support stream? Fine with me. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net FAX 714 443 9516 Dana Point, CA 92629 dan@dpcsys.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 00:38:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA25775 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from MAIL2 ([168.160.61.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA25761 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:38:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wujie@mailhost.net) Received: from wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net - 202.96.57.73 by mail.ihw.co.cn with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:39:00 +0800 Reply-To: "Wu Jie" From: "Wu Jie" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:36:57 +0800 Message-ID: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Greg, Unfortunately, you are wrong again. You know why you saw some odd characters last time in my email? You shouldn't have made any conclusion before careful investigation. Pulling your hair and biting your nail you can't guess why. It's not because the **broken configuration** of my **broken mailer**, it's only because the default character set of my OutLook Express is not English. Although I prefer FreeBSD and don't like Micro$oft, but OutLook Express is ok, why not use it? Don't be so biased and cranky. Oh, you list so many mailers: "Microsoft Mail", Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla (Netscape), exmh. Why don't you call Netscape to stop developing its mailer? It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world? Greg, I am not, I think Rick Morel is also not, willing to raise an argument. We just want to say, it's the Internet, the "Blue Ribbon" "free speech" cyberspace, people have their rights to use whatever style in their email. Please don't send the impolite "i tell you, you should add line breaks" sentences anymore even if you'd not like to offer help to the people asking questions. Regards, Wu Jie -----Original Message----- >> Hi, Rick Morel, >> >> I agree with you. There must be something wrong with Greg Lehey so he just >> keeps yelling at others very impolitely. Maybe he is a nut. > >If Rick Morel is sane, then yes, I'm a nut. > >I see that at least you've fixed your broken configuration :-) > >Greg > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 00:44:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA26315 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:44:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA26306 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id TAA14353; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:14:36 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19971125191436.37494@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:14:36 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wu Jie Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions References: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net>; from Wu Jie on Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 04:36:57PM +0800 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 04:36:57PM +0800, Wu Jie wrote: > Hi, Greg, > > Unfortunately, you are wrong again. You know why you saw some odd characters > last time in my email? You shouldn't have made any conclusion before careful > investigation. Pulling your hair and biting your nail you can't guess why. > It's not because the **broken configuration** of my **broken mailer**, it's > only because the default character set of my OutLook Express is not English. > Although I prefer FreeBSD and don't like Micro$oft, but OutLook Express is > ok, why not use it? Don't be so biased and cranky. Sorry, Wujie, but that's not correct. We see the same problems in purely US versions of Microsoft Outlook. > Oh, you list so many mailers: "Microsoft Mail", Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla > (Netscape), exmh. Why don't you call Netscape to stop developing its > mailer? Do you think they'd listen to me? They know it's broken, and they're leaving it that way because they're in competition with Microsoft. > It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break > style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world? I thought I was on the Internet, not on a private Microsoft network. I will certainly work to keep it that way. On the Internet, the RFCs define what is correct, and these mailers contravene the specifications by reformatting both on sending and on reception. > Greg, I am not, I think Rick Morel is also not, willing to raise an > argument. You could have fooled me. > We just want to say, it's the Internet, the "Blue Ribbon" "free > speech" cyberspace, people have their rights to use whatever style in their > email. OK. Let's accept that. > Please don't send the impolite "i tell you, you should add line > breaks" sentences anymore even if you'd not like to offer help to > the people asking questions. Well, the fact is that I *do* answer a lot of questions. But I'm not doing it any more for people who can't send out a legible mail message. And many of them understand the problem, but don't know that their mailer is broken. In fact, the guy I sent today's message to thanked me for telling him. As for impoliteness, I think you should re-read the message, then re-read yours and Rick's. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 02:50:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA04153 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:50:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA04147 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA03241; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd003238; Tue Nov 25 02:43:41 1997 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:41:30 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Wu Jie cc: grog@lemis.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It may be true that some people have mail readers that wrap on word boundaries, others don't. My netscape just shows one line about 7 screens wide, and I have to scroll across with the scroll bar to read a long line which is a pain. PINE on the other hand wraps it. (I think nescape has an option to make it wrap too, but then ASCII art gets destroyed.. you can't win.) anyhow it's not that there is a RULE about shorter lines. It's just polite. In a mailing list always assume that the person best able to help you may be reading mail across a modem from an ascii terminal. (and he possibly is) julian On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Wu Jie wrote: > Hi, Greg, > > Unfortunately, you are wrong again. You know why you saw some odd characters > last time in my email? You shouldn't have made any conclusion before careful > investigation. Pulling your hair and biting your nail you can't guess why. > It's not because the **broken configuration** of my **broken mailer**, it's > only because the default character set of my OutLook Express is not English. > Although I prefer FreeBSD and don't like Micro$oft, but OutLook Express is > ok, why not use it? Don't be so biased and cranky. > > Oh, you list so many mailers: "Microsoft Mail", Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla > (Netscape), exmh. Why don't you call Netscape to stop developing its mailer? > It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break > style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world? > > Greg, I am not, I think Rick Morel is also not, willing to raise an > argument. We just want to say, it's the Internet, the "Blue Ribbon" "free > speech" cyberspace, people have their rights to use whatever style in their > email. Please don't send the impolite "i tell you, you should add line > breaks" sentences anymore even if you'd not like to offer help to the people > asking questions. > > Regards, > Wu Jie > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> Hi, Rick Morel, > >> > >> I agree with you.. There must be something wrong with Greg Lehey so he > just > >> keeps yelling at others very impolitely. Maybe he is a nut. > > > >If Rick Morel is sane, then yes, I'm a nut. > > > >I see that at least you've fixed your broken configuration :-) > > > >Greg > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 04:35:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA09400 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:35:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ruby.gem.co.za (qmailr@ruby.gem.co.za [196.14.168.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA09348 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ) Received: (qmail 21747 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 12:26:48 -0000 Received: from obsidian.gem.co.za (nobody@196.26.163.73) by ruby.gem.co.za with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 12:26:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 12:26:48 +0000 From: bradm@gem.co.za Message-Id: <97122648@cpt-mail.gem.co.za> X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan v1.1 X-Mailer-Info: http://www.endymion.com/portfolio/software/scripts/mailman.htm To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Rick Morel wrote: > > Perhaps it's _your_ email client that's "broken", as you say, in that it > > can't handle the various styles of others? Ever think of that, A-hole? Or is > > only what you use the best? > > If you bother to check the X-Mailer header on the messages containing > *answers*, you will probably find that most of them are text based. > > You want to cut that segment of the population out of your support > stream? Fine with me. I guess the "new" generation all use Microsoft products anyways... why are they on this mailing list if they are? Text people, clean, pure text, that's what email is meant for. My .2c Brad Meier -- GEM Internet PS. It also helps when you sometimes use a web-mail client. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 05:43:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA13077 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.triplet.net ([205.216.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA13072 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jemstone@triplet.net) Received: from z9a2d9 ([205.216.84.126]) by mail.triplet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04523; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: "James E. Marker" To: , "Michael Slater" Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf9a7$4ec63b00$7e54d8cd@z9a2d9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am using a 2940U and a 2940UW and the only problem I have had is they do not like to reboot. This seems to be a problem with the adapter itself, not FreeBSD. I also have a 2940U in a Windoze95 machine and it behaves the same way. What it does on reboot is find all the devices, and then freeze up before it says the SCSI BIOS is loaded. This hasn't been a problem for me since I don't do remote reboots, and my servers have been up for weeks. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Slater To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 11:07 PM Subject: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE > >Hello, > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > >Michael > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 06:01:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA13749 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:01:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA13743 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) id JAA05706; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:01:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19971125090114.25104@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:01:14 -0500 From: "Norman C. Rice" To: Greg Lehey Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions References: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> <19971125191436.37494@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: email message X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19971125191436.37494@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 07:14:36PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greg, I appreciate your voluntary contributions and understand your requirements. I believe the format problems stem from "word processor mentality." Every keyboard has a mechanism for inserting a delimiter at the end of the line; and AFAIK, it is not disabled in any mailer. IMHO, if you're willing to volunteer your time and knowledge, it is reasonable that respondents use the appropriate format. Rick, I also appreciate your efforts, but (IMHO) the flames and profanity are not constructive. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 07:14:36PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 04:36:57PM +0800, Wu Jie wrote: > > Hi, Greg, > > > > Unfortunately, you are wrong again. You know why you saw some odd characters > > last time in my email? You shouldn't have made any conclusion before careful > > investigation. Pulling your hair and biting your nail you can't guess why. > > It's not because the **broken configuration** of my **broken mailer**, it's > > only because the default character set of my OutLook Express is not English. > > Although I prefer FreeBSD and don't like Micro$oft, but OutLook Express is > > ok, why not use it? Don't be so biased and cranky. > > Sorry, Wujie, but that's not correct. We see the same problems in > purely US versions of Microsoft Outlook. > > > Oh, you list so many mailers: "Microsoft Mail", Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla > > (Netscape), exmh. Why don't you call Netscape to stop developing its > > mailer? > > Do you think they'd listen to me? They know it's broken, and they're > leaving it that way because they're in competition with Microsoft. > > > It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break > > style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world? > > I thought I was on the Internet, not on a private Microsoft network. > I will certainly work to keep it that way. On the Internet, the RFCs > define what is correct, and these mailers contravene the > specifications by reformatting both on sending and on reception. > > > Greg, I am not, I think Rick Morel is also not, willing to raise an > > argument. > > You could have fooled me. > > > We just want to say, it's the Internet, the "Blue Ribbon" "free > > speech" cyberspace, people have their rights to use whatever style in their > > email. > > OK. Let's accept that. > > > Please don't send the impolite "i tell you, you should add line > > breaks" sentences anymore even if you'd not like to offer help to > > the people asking questions. > > Well, the fact is that I *do* answer a lot of questions. But I'm not > doing it any more for people who can't send out a legible mail > message. And many of them understand the problem, but don't know that > their mailer is broken. In fact, the guy I sent today's message to > thanked me for telling him. > > As for impoliteness, I think you should re-read the message, then > re-read yours and Rick's. > > Greg > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 06:41:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA15938 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wakko.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA15931 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by wakko.visint.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15734; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:40:37 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:40:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: "James E. Marker" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Michael Slater Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <01bcf9a7$4ec63b00$7e54d8cd@z9a2d9> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, James E. Marker wrote: > I am using a 2940U and a 2940UW and the only problem I have had is they do > not like to reboot. This seems to be a problem with the adapter itself, not > FreeBSD. I also have a 2940U in a Windoze95 machine and it behaves the same > way. What it does on reboot is find all the devices, and then freeze up > before it says the SCSI BIOS is loaded. This hasn't been a problem for me > since I don't do remote reboots, and my servers have been up for weeks. I've got a similar problem with a 2940AU (or is it UA ?), except this one just doesn't reset the bus or something and hence on reboot it finds no devices until it's powered off for about 30 seconds. I'm not sure if this problem is 2940AU specific, or just bad luck with the 2940AU I have, but it happens with any OS, not just FreeBSD. I'd never buy another 2940AU though as they are the cheapest tackies 2940's available. Most of the complaints about the driver seem to apply to other OS's as well, maybe the card's just aren't up to adaptec marketing hype ? Steve -- Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 06:45:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA16295 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [207.104.147.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA16289 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:45:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@blueneptune.com) From: michael@blueneptune.com Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA29826; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:56:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199711251456.GAA29826@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE To: mikey@iexpress.net.au (Michael Slater) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:56:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971125114448.00690af8@iexpress.net.au> from "Michael Slater" at Nov 25, 97 11:44:48 am Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? We still experienced problems with the 2940UW in a 2.2.2 system that was being used as a news server. We ended up going with a different SCSI card (a BusLogic, if memory serves correctly). I do not know if the Adaptec driver behaves any better in 2.2.5. Please note that there were conflicting reports on this issue, with some people saying 2.2.2 + 2940UW on an innd-based news server worked fine, while others were apparently seeing problems with SCSI resets and system lockups. YMMV. -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 07:31:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA19995 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA19982 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA03763; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:31:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:31:15 -0500 (EST) From: jack X-Sender: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net To: Wu Jie cc: grog@lemis.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Wu Jie wrote: > Oh, you list so many mailers: "Microsoft Mail", Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla > (Netscape), exmh. Why don't you call Netscape to stop developing its mailer? > It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break > style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world? The web and email are two entirely different areas. By using that M$ crap you are producing mail that is not in compliance with RFC1855. Of course Bill has never let little things like standards get in his way. >From section 2.1.1: - Do not include control characters or non-ASCII attachments in messages unless they are MIME attachments or unless your mailer encodes these. If you send encoded messages make sure the recipient can decode them. - Be brief without being overly terse. When replying to a message, include enough original material to be understood but no more. It is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by including all the previous message: edit out all the irrelevant material. - Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line with a carriage return. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 07:45:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA21262 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:45:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from electric.tbe.net (electric.tbe.net [208.208.122.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA21246 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 16388 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 15:41:35 -0000 Received: from flash.tbe.net (gary@208.208.122.15) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 15:41:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Racks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Quick question: Anyone have any recommendations for a decent rack? I am looking for a rack that will hold a few rackmount cases (4 or 5 if we can fit them, standard 19" 4U cases), a 14" or 15" monitor on a shelf, and a UPS without fear of buckling or tipping over. We currently have a rack from Datatel, and it is kinda cheesy. The holes aren't lined properly, but it holds the few things we have on it, couple routers, CSU/DSU and a hub, UPS. I am looking to spend under $500 per rack if possible, but am willing to go higher for better quality (definately under $1000 tho). Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 256-4605 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 07:55:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA21984 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21979 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01298; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA27265; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:55:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:55:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199711251555.IAA27265@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Wu Jie" Cc: , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> References: <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Unfortunately, you are wrong again. Unfortunately for you, he's right. If you want help, format your mail so that it can be seen by people who answer your questions. That means text-terminals with under 80 chars, like the email you just sent. > You know why you saw some odd characters > last time in my email? No odd characters, just no line-breaks. (others have HTML attachments that add nothing, since it's a repeat of what the text says with no other function, wasting space.) > It's not because the **broken configuration** of my **broken mailer**, it's > only because the default character set of my OutLook Express is not English. Uhh, so what? If you send email in another language, that's fine with me. But, you'll only get responses from someone who reads that language. Most terminals can read 8-bit text nowadays (FreeBSD is capable) if their LOCALE is setup. > Although I prefer FreeBSD and don't like Micro$oft, but OutLook Express is > ok, why not use it? Don't be so biased and cranky. Don't be so stubborn and follow the rules. > It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break > style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world? Because "that's the rules". If you want to send email over the internet to non-M$ machines, then you gotta follow the rules. In the same manner, if Unix people want email to be read by M$ users, they have to use short sentences with small words so that they can be read, and not too long since it may crashe their mailer if it's too long. :( If you want help from people who give it away for free, then make it easier for them to give it. 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From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 08:01:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA22418 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:01:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22401 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-19.eaznet.com [209.75.156.223]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14520; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:04:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <347AF87B.F155E4F4@eaznet.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:10:35 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Slater CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE References: <3.0.3.32.19971125114448.00690af8@iexpress.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Micheal, I've been using a 2940UW with 2.2.2-release since 2.2.2 came out. No problems here. I have noticed some people on the list are having some problems running news on the 2940 however. I'm using it for just about everything else except news and haven't had any problems at all. Hope this helps, Eddie Michael Slater wrote: > Hello, > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > > Michael -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com 220 West 7th Street Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 08:17:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA23252 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:17:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from inspace.net (nova.ispace.com [207.204.40.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23247 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gme@inspace.net) Received: from caffeine (caffeine.inspace.net [207.204.40.248]) by inspace.net (8.8.6) (8.8.6) (SPAM Stopper: 3.0b2) with SMTP id LAA01566; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:16:08 -0500 (EST) From: "George M. Ellenburg" To: , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf9bd$42e6fa20$f828cccf@caffeine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA23248 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: bradm@gem.co.za To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:50 AM Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions | |> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Rick Morel wrote: |> > Perhaps it's _your_ email client that's "broken", as you say, in that it |> > can't handle the various styles of others? Ever think of that, A-hole? Or is |> > only what you use the best? |> |> If you bother to check the X-Mailer header on the messages containing |> *answers*, you will probably find that most of them are text based. |> |> You want to cut that segment of the population out of your support |> stream? Fine with me. | |I guess the "new" generation all use Microsoft products anyways... why |are they on this mailing list if they are? Excuse me... Some of us are on this mailing list because we are all ISP's or we work for ISP's. Maybe our servers are FreeBSD/ Linux/ SCO based - but it's a dog-eat-dog world out there. Out workstations are Win95 or WinNT. It's impossible for me to send a letter, which has been formatted with one of the Unix postscript and non postscript tfu's and expect a colleague at the other end of the hall to be able to work with it. The fact of the matter is, I have to use M$ Word or Wordperfect (or Lotus Word Pro). Typically I use MS Word, plainly because it's a decent word processing program. It's not right for anyone to continue on and degrade another individual for their choice of E-Mail software. Take a step back ... isn't that a little petty? Greg, I hate to point this out to you - but it's your choice to use Mutt as your E-Mail client ever so much that it's my choice to use Outlook Express (or Eudora Pro). You could always use Pine, you know. There's a wondrous key combonation called ^J which will add the appropriate line breaks and rejustify a paragraph (in Pine). It's also just as wrong for anyone else to denegrade Greg for his E-Mail client as it was for him to denegrade others. Personally, Mutt to me is a godsend when I have to clear mail out of someone's mailbox who has gotten mail-bombed. Pine is excellent, IMHO, for everday correspondence. But the time I spend logged into my FreeBSD machine is no where the amount of time I spend logged into my other workstations. Yes I know I have the capability to telnet - but why? O.E. and Eudora work in a client/server manner. Why should I waste my own machine's resources by tying it up with me handling the hordes of mail I receive each day. Just my two-bits worth. |Text people, clean, pure text, that's what email is meant for. | |My .2c | |Brad Meier |-- |GEM Internet | |PS. It also helps when you sometimes use a web-mail client. | From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 08:22:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA23636 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ganymede.bloomington.nsisw.com (usrtc1-51.kiva.net [208.143.10.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA23626 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:21:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chiuk@cs.indiana.edu) Received: from ken by ganymede.bloomington.nsisw.com with local (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0xaNjL-0001Hx-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:20:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:20:55 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Chiu Reply-To: chiuk@cs.indiana.edu To: Stephen Roome cc: "James E. Marker" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Michael Slater Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Turn on SCAM. I don't know why, but it seems to work. On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > I've got a similar problem with a 2940AU (or is it UA ?), except this one > just doesn't reset the bus or something and hence on reboot it finds no > devices until it's powered off for about 30 seconds. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 08:26:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA24013 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:26:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24007 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:25:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@korin.warman.org.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27938; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:26:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:26:29 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Stephen Roome cc: "James E. Marker" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Slater Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, James E. Marker wrote: > > > I am using a 2940U and a 2940UW and the only problem I have had is they do > > not like to reboot. This seems to be a problem with the adapter itself, not > I've got a similar problem with a 2940AU (or is it UA ?), except this one > just doesn't reset the bus or something and hence on reboot it finds no > devices until it's powered off for about 30 seconds. Have you enabled SCAM support in SCSI BIOS? I experienced exactly the same problems until I did it. Since then everything has been ok. Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 09:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27822 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from inspace.net (nova.ispace.com [207.204.40.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27808 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gme@inspace.net) Received: from caffeine (caffeine.inspace.net [207.204.40.248]) by inspace.net (8.8.6) (8.8.6) (SPAM Stopper: 3.0b2) with SMTP id MAA03557; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: "George M. Ellenburg" To: "jack" , "Wu Jie" Cc: , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:06:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf9c4$7b429a80$f828cccf@caffeine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA27809 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: jack To: Wu Jie Cc: grog@lemis.com ; isp@freebsd.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions |On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Wu Jie wrote: |The web and email are two entirely different areas. By using that M$ crap |you are producing mail that is not in compliance with RFC1855. Of course |Bill has never let little things like standards get in his way. RFC-822 and RFC-1855 were written before the onslaught of newbies en masse flocking to the Internet. We are all ISP's guys, it's these newbies en masse which pay our bills and which keeps us in business, have we forgotten that? Standards change with the market. The fact of the matter is, today, our customers are not using VT-52 or VT-100 terminals to log into a Unix machine to use gopher. Our customers power up their workstations, connect to us via PPP, and surf the Web - with pretty graphics, Java, DHTML, Plug-Ins, etc. If everyone here is so hard headed about standards, then you're being a hypocrite for going to Blockbuster and renting a video tape. A VHS tape at that - when it's a known fact that Beta produced a much higher picture quality (and is still in use today by television stations and ENG crews). VHS survived. Why? JVC's marketing, not Sony's with Beta. The *original* VHS standard never supported stereo. Guess I shouldn't have been watching my copy of Independence Day with my Dolby Surround System when it came out on tape. The *original* standard never supported stereo. The standard has now been bastardized. Standards change with the times, market pressures, and more. Frankly guys. there's too much in this world to worry about than over this petty diatribe of a thread. In the immortal words of a young black man in L.A. back in the late 80's... "Can't we all just get along?" From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 09:26:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA29699 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:26:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.commlitho.com (zeus.commlitho.com [207.254.73.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29666 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:25:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patb@commlitho.com) Received: from [207.254.73.18] by mail.commlitho.com (SMTPD32-3.02) id AA1D1129014E; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:25:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971125102557.007d4330@commlitho.com> X-Sender: patb@commlitho.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:25:57 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Patrick Burm Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U In-Reply-To: <4Bg795qahED89I6if1Z> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:24 AM 11/24/10 AM, H7yN6N42N@1yrdue.net wrote: > >LET US DO YOUR BULK MAILINGS!!! > >..$250 PER MILLION > >THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS! Perhaps its time that posts to this list are limited to subscribers. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 09:54:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA02556 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:54:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA02549 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:54:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA05160 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:54:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:54:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <347AF87B.F155E4F4@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > Micheal, > > I've been using a 2940UW with 2.2.2-release since 2.2.2 came out. No problems > here. I have noticed some people on the list are having some problems running > news on the 2940 however. I'm using it for just about everything else except > news and haven't had any problems at all. > > Hope this helps, > > Eddie Same here. No news is good news :) --at least for 2940's ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 10:19:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04274 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:19:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04269 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02299; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA27901; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:17:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:17:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199711251817.LAA27901@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "George M. Ellenburg" Cc: , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <01bcf9bd$42e6fa20$f828cccf@caffeine> References: <01bcf9bd$42e6fa20$f828cccf@caffeine> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It's not right for anyone to continue on and degrade another individual for their choice of E-Mail software. Take a step back ... isn't that a little petty? Then don't expect anyone to reply to it. Further email formatted this way will be ignored. You have a return key, learn how to use it. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 10:24:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04839 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hq.seicom.net (mail.seicom.net [194.97.200.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04823 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:24:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from udesign!lukas@hq.seicom.net) Received: from udesign.UUCP by hq.seicom.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with UUCP id TAA23265; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:14:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by reactor.design.de id m0xaPb5-000BijC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:20:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19971125192031.48757@reactor> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:20:31 +0100 From: Lukas Wunner To: "Gary D. Margiotta" Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Racks References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: ; from Gary D. Margiotta on Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 10:54:31AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Anyone have any recommendations for a decent rack? I am looking for a > rack that will hold a few rackmount cases (4 or 5 if we can fit them, > standard 19" 4U cases), a 14" or 15" monitor on a shelf, and a UPS without > fear of buckling or tipping over. We currently have a rack from Datatel, > and it is kinda cheesy. The holes aren't lined properly, but it holds the > few things we have on it, couple routers, CSU/DSU and a hub, UPS. I am > looking to spend under $500 per rack if possible, but am willing to go > higher for better quality (definately under $1000 tho). We currently use the racks made by Rittal. It's a German company but I figure they seel their products worldwide. You may want to take a look at www.rittal.de. We use racks of the PS4000 series, 600x600mm and a height of 2m. We buy them w/o the skins and front/backdoor because it is quite useful to be able to access the equipment from all sides. You have to buy 19" rails and put them in the rack, and there's lots of stuff to build into the rack (additional floors, glide rails etc; it's pretty cool). The PS4000 racks are pretty stable in my opinion. If we would use the skins, they would be even more stable. We probably stuff a couple hundred kilograms into these boxes and we haven't experienced any problems so far. The racks made by Schroff (www.schroff.de) are probably also quite okay, I don't have as much experience with these. Lukas. -- lukas wunner unix, internetworking and security engineer lukas@wunner.de LW26-RIPE http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/ Funkmodems mit 2.4GHz FAQ http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/funk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 10:32:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05848 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:32:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from connet80.com (connet80.connet80.com [199.2.214.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05838 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meljr@connet80.com) Received: (from meljr@localhost) by connet80.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA02546; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:32:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:32:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Mel Lester Jr." To: Patrick Burm cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971125102557.007d4330@commlitho.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Patrick, I agree that something has to be done. The implied threat at the end of this particular piece of SPAM really disturbs me. Personally, I hate SPAM and I am beginning to hate SPAMMERS to the point of loosing objectivity. ConNet80 is a very small ISP, but we have been in business for a few years now and have a loyal customer base. We just spent a lot to time and money trying to reduce the probability that some SPAMMER would use us for relaying. I would have preferred to use the resources to improve other services to our customers, but our duty here is clear -- we have to do everything reasonable to make it impossible for these freeloaders to do business. Even direct-mailers have to buy postage, but SPAMMERS get a free ride, courtesy of you and me. I'm tired of it. I am willing to do my part to help out in any reasonable co-operative effort. It's a damn shame that FreeBSD ISP's are being singled out by these low lifes, but since it's happening, we should deal with SPAMMERS "appropriately." -mel lester Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly. Mel Lester Jr. meljr@ConNet80.com http://www.ConNet80.com/~meljr On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Patrick Burm wrote: > At 10:24 AM 11/24/10 AM, H7yN6N42N@1yrdue.net wrote: > > > >LET US DO YOUR BULK MAILINGS!!! > > > >..$250 PER MILLION > > > >THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS! > > Perhaps its time that posts to this list are limited > to subscribers. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 10:40:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06649 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:40:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-005coauroP05.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06642 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:40:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bminazzi@denverweb.net) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06915 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:43:42 -0700 Message-ID: <347B1C5D.625596C4@denverweb.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:43:41 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ISP@freeBSD.org Subject: SCSI controllers, was Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeff Lynch wrote: > > Same here. No news is good news :) --at least for 2940's > So, what controllers are best for this? Also, Symbios chip based controllers... What is supported, and at what level? I have acouple of old 53c810 models, that I had trouvle with a back in the 2.1.x days, with some drive models. Could someone bring me up to date with some personal exp., rather than the "supported hardware list". I will be upgrading some systems soon, and would like to know what is working well for other ISP's. TIA. Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 10:51:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA07971 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07965 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:51:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25861; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:51:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19971125105103.29878@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:51:04 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Patrick Burm Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U References: <4Bg795qahED89I6if1Z> <3.0.5.32.19971125102557.007d4330@commlitho.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971125102557.007d4330@commlitho.com>; from Patrick Burm on Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 10:25:57AM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Patrick Burm scribbled this message on Nov 25: > At 10:24 AM 11/24/10 AM, H7yN6N42N@1yrdue.net wrote: > > > >LET US DO YOUR BULK MAILINGS!!! > > > >..$250 PER MILLION > > > >THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS! > > Perhaps its time that posts to this list are limited > to subscribers. no, it's time that we start filing a law suite against them for junk faxes... (see about the web page on www.cdrom.com for more info) -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 11:14:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA10251 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from obiwan.TerraNova.net (root@obiwan.TerraNova.net [209.4.59.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10243 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bofh@terranova.net) Received: from P1mpBSD.TerraNova.net (tog@guenhwyvar.TerraNova.net [209.4.59.4]) by obiwan.TerraNova.net (8.8.8/TerraNovaNet) with SMTP id OAA23768; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:14:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <347B235B.415D@terranova.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:13:31 -0500 From: Travis Mikalson Organization: TerraNovaNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Burm CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U References: <3.0.5.32.19971125102557.007d4330@commlitho.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Patrick Burm wrote: > > At 10:24 AM 11/24/10 AM, H7yN6N42N@1yrdue.net wrote: > > > >LET US DO YOUR BULK MAILINGS!!! > > > >..$250 PER MILLION > > > >THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS! > > Perhaps its time that posts to this list are limited > to subscribers. I do kind of like it when I can post a quick question to a list I'm not subscribed to.. good for when you don't have time to lurk but need to ask something. People do it here (legitimately) all the time. And besides, who DOESN'T want to know about $250/million bulk mail service?! Let's not let the garbage of the net ruin things for us. There is no unsubscribe (like that ever works) and it's not worth wasting our time over. If you want to do something, forward the original message to abuse@mci.net and hopefully MCI will find and shut down the spammer's temporary account. -T -- TerraNovaNet Internet Services - Key Largo, FL Voice: (305)453-4011 Fax: (305)451-5991 http://www.TerraNova.net ---------------------------------------------- "Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, Rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." -- Gary Zukav, "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 11:20:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA10634 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from inspace.net (nova.ispace.com [207.204.40.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10627 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:20:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gme@inspace.net) Received: from caffeine (caffeine.inspace.net [207.204.40.248]) by inspace.net (8.8.6) (8.8.6) (SPAM Stopper: 3.0b2) with SMTP id OAA07964; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:19:15 -0500 (EST) From: "George M. Ellenburg" To: "Nate Williams" Cc: , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf9d6$d726e7e0$f828cccf@caffeine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA10628 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Nate Williams To: George M. Ellenburg Cc: bradm@gem.co.za ; isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions |> It's not right for anyone to continue on and degrade another individual for their choice of E-Mail software. Take a step back ... isn't that a little petty? | |Then don't expect anyone to reply to it. Further email formatted this |way will be ignored. | |You have a return key, learn how to use it. Such petty remarks coming from the FreeBSD community. I gave this community a lot more credit. Guess you've proved me wrong. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 11:26:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA11163 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11140 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from voltage (ppp11.voltage.net [208.15.104.83]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18457; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:25:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125133137.006b2130@mail.voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:31:38 -0600 To: Greg Lehey From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:14 PM 11/25/97 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 04:36:57PM +0800, Wu Jie wrote: >I thought I was on the Internet, not on a private Microsoft network. >I will certainly work to keep it that way. On the Internet, the RFCs >define what is correct, and these mailers contravene the >specifications by reformatting both on sending and on reception. Greg I 100% agree with this and anyone who doesn't must be more willing to live in a nightmare of tech support than I am! This goes far beyond email, it actually involves EVERY aspect of the Internet. What do you people think the Internet would be like if there were NO standards and everyone just wrote Internet applications to suit their own whims (much like MS seems to do)? Perhaps this one little complaint about one little email someone sent to a list may seem a bit petty, but what if EVERY email program used their own protocols and formats? Standards are the building blocks and the foundation of the Internet, without standards it would have NEVER made it this far! Let's say that MS creates it's own mail protocol that isn't compliant with any of the current protocols in use today and let's say that MS included a free email program that utilized this protocol on EVERY operating system they sold. Now MS has a damn hefty market share do they not? How many of YOUR users are using Win95? I know that 95% of mine are. Now lets say that in order to operate a mail server that supported this protocol that all our users are wanting so badly we had to purchase a mail server from MS and what if MS wanted $1,000 for this "special" mail server? Now that example is probably a bit far fetched (or is it?) and a little strayed from the original topic of the actual format of an email. Also, right now today wouldn't work because there are many free email programs we could provide our users (i.e. Pegasus, Eudora Light), but this is today. What about 3 years from now? Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 11:31:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA11858 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11843 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25630; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:23:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:23:42 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Gary D. Margiotta" cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Racks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On a side note, which rack-mount PC cases are you using? I've looked at quite a few, but have not found any with more than two well-ventilated drive mounts. They are all gigantic, but mismanage the space. As for racks, we are using standard "relay-racks" with an overhead ladder type thing that makes them hold several hundred pounds of equipment securely. Nothing's enclosed, but I actually prefer that, it's much easier to get at things, and ventilation is excellent. Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > Hello, > > Quick question: > > Anyone have any recommendations for a decent rack? I am looking for a > rack that will hold a few rackmount cases (4 or 5 if we can fit them, > standard 19" 4U cases), a 14" or 15" monitor on a shelf, and a UPS without > fear of buckling or tipping over. We currently have a rack from Datatel, > and it is kinda cheesy. The holes aren't lined properly, but it holds the > few things we have on it, couple routers, CSU/DSU and a hub, UPS. I am > looking to spend under $500 per rack if possible, but am willing to go > higher for better quality (definately under $1000 tho). > > Thanks! > > ______________________________________________________________ > -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 > TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 256-4605 > http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 11:52:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15470 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:52:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15431 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04503 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:53:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: jack X-Sender: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <347AF87B.F155E4F4@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > I've been using a 2940UW with 2.2.2-release since 2.2.2 came out. No problems > here. I have noticed some people on the list are having some problems running > news on the 2940 however. I'm using it for just about everything else except > news and haven't had any problems at all. We had problems on our news box with 2.2.1 and 2940UW, but 2.2.5 has been solid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 11:58:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA16502 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:58:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16485 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:58:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from voltage (ppp11.voltage.net [208.15.104.83]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18641 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:57:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125140320.006b4240@mail.voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:03:21 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: Speaking of Spam (Was Re: We will mail 4 U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Some of you may be interested in reading about a recent court case an ISP won against a spammer. http://www.zilker.net/nospam.html The ruling was November 11th, so many of you may have already heard about it :) Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 11:58:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA16598 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16562 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbutt@mwci.net) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA28180; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:57:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:57:39 -0600 (CST) From: "James D. Butt" To: "Mel Lester Jr." cc: Patrick Burm , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am willing to do my part to help out in any reasonable co-operative > effort. It's a damn shame that FreeBSD ISP's are being singled out by > these low lifes, but since it's happening, we should deal with SPAMMERS > "appropriately." I do not think that FreeBSD ISP's are being singled out I got about 35 or so of these spams thru multiple lists to postmaster noc abuse addresses on our server. It would be fun to lart these people. I would enjoy it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 12:14:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA19819 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:14:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA19808 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:14:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from caj@praline.no.neosoft.com) Received: (qmail 21204 invoked by uid 65524); 25 Nov 1997 20:14:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:14:17 -0600 (CST) From: Craig Johnston To: Bradley Dunn cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tcpserver? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any experiences with tcpserver that he/she would care to > share? I am specifically interested in using it as a replacement for > inetd. More info at: > ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/ucspi-tcp.html > > Bradley > Not much to say -- it works fine for me. The environment variables are quite nice. (It sets TCPREMOTEIP, TCPREMOTEHOST, TCPREMOTEPORT, and TCPREMOTEINFO to the remote ip, remote hostname returned by a reverse lookup on the ip, the remote port, and the remote ident info.) If you want tcp-wrappers type functionality, you'll need to run it with tcpcontrol, also by djb. I use it to start qmail-smtpd and qpopper. Craig A. Johnston, Applications Engineer, NeoSoft, Inc. caj@neosoft.com phone:(504)539 9235 fax:(504)539 9236 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 12:37:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA24678 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from negril.msrce.howard.edu (negril.msrce.howard.edu [138.238.128.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24646 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:37:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jackson@msrce.howard.edu) Received: by negril.msrce.howard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/24Feb97-8.2MPM) id AA27077; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:27:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:27:48 -0500 From: Aaron Jackson Message-Id: <9711252027.AA27077@negril.msrce.howard.edu> To: meljr@connet80.com, patb@commlitho.com Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I am willing to do my part to help out in any reasonable co-operative >effort. It's a damn shame that FreeBSD ISP's are being singled out by >these low lifes, but since it's happening, we should deal with SPAMMERS >"appropriately." This message appeared on five different lists I subscribe to: some net/openBSD lists and a linux-pmac list. Maybe we should take them up on their offer and send out step-by-step instructions on how to filter out spam ;) Aaron Jackson jackson@msrce.howard.edu From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 12:39:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA24932 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (qmailr@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24924 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:39:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@calyx.net) Received: (qmail 23976 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:38:59 -0000 Received: from kwesi.calyx.net (208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:38:59 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971125152713.0350f9f0@calyx.net> X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:27:13 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Nicholas Merrill Subject: Re: SCSI controllers, was Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <347B1C5D.625596C4@denverweb.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:43 AM 11/25/97 -0700, Blaine allegedly wrote: >Could someone bring me up to date with some personal exp., rather than >the "supported hardware list". > >I will be upgrading some systems soon, and would like to know what is >working well for other ISP's. Well granted, my experience is limited to NCR 53c810's and various Buslogic models (956c, 958) and I've never used an Adaptec controller (I like to support the underdog), I've never had trouble with either the NCR's or the Buslogics. I've never tried any of the newer NCRs that support fast/wide/ultra so I can't say much about them. All, in all I hear of occasional problems with Adaptecs and FreeBSD but rarely if ever hear of problems with the Buslogics, so I would say go get a 958. You can get a OEM one for only $216 - $10 less than the 2940UW at Minotaur - http://www.minotaur.net (my favorite supplier) They've always worked flawlessly for me, but then again I've only used really nice drives in them like Barracudas and Hawks from Seagate. I've been lucky in terms of ventilation (I liberally install 4" muffin fans) to have only one or two die on me in 3 years. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 917-381-0500 Voice: 212-292-7325 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 13-17 Laight St. NYC, NY 10013 Email: nick@calyx.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 12:40:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25246 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:40:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns1d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25211 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:40:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pcg@raleigh.ibm.com) From: pcg@raleigh.ibm.com Received: from rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.48]) by fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id PAA21826; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from calvin.dds.dfw.ibm.com (calvin.dds.dfw.ibm.com [9.39.66.242]) by rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id PAA19816; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:40:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:38:32 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: pcg@raleigh.ibm.com Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions To: "George M. Ellenburg" cc: Nate Williams , bradm@gem.co.za, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01bcf9d6$d726e7e0$f828cccf@caffeine> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Williams > To: George M. Ellenburg > Cc: bradm@gem.co.za ; isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Why do these headers keep showing up in certain people's messages? Just curious, Peter Green From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 12:58:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA28095 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:58:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28054 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA12546; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:57:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:57:58 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Blaine Minazzi cc: ISP@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI controllers, was Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <347B1C5D.625596C4@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Jeff Lynch wrote: > > > > > Same here. No news is good news :) --at least for 2940's > > > > So, what controllers are best for this? > > Also, Symbios chip based controllers... > What is supported, and at what level? > > I have acouple of old 53c810 models, that I had trouvle with a back in > the 2.1.x days, with some drive models. > > Could someone bring me up to date with some personal exp., rather than > the "supported hardware list". > > I will be upgrading some systems soon, and would like to know what is > working well for other ISP's. > When I don't need ultra/ultra-wide we use NCR-based controllers. Very stable. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 13:39:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA02516 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02511 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:39:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20743 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00157 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03312 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:26:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.com Subject: radius<>NIS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know how to set up a radius server to use nis or /etc/passwd for userid/passwd information. Is there any way to do the reverse? or have sendmail do it? I have a situation coming up where I will need to service email and probably telnet at site A, for people validated by a radius server elsewhere that I have no control over. All I can think of to do is maintain 2 sets of userids (one at the radius, and one at the site I have control over) there is no way to have the radius server or its config altered. Any ideas on solutions are appreciated! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Hovey Chief Engineer BuffNET More Than Just a Connection! ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 14:08:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA06153 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:08:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06120 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:07:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zoonie@nak.myhouse.com) Received: (qmail 6887 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Nov 1997 22:09:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:09:15 -0500 (EST) From: zoonie To: Michael Slater cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971125114448.00690af8@iexpress.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i have a 2940 in a 2.2.5-stable box and it works just fine, but i don't have any disk drives attached to it yet. i just use it for my exabyte 8200 tape drive.... On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Michael Slater wrote: > > Hello, > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > > Michael > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 14:31:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10151 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10137 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA06189; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:01:22 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19971126090122.22481@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:01:22 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "George M. Ellenburg" Cc: bradm@gem.co.za, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions References: <01bcf9bd$42e6fa20$f828cccf@caffeine> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <01bcf9bd$42e6fa20$f828cccf@caffeine>; from George M. Ellenburg on Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 11:14:52AM -0500 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I suppose I should first apologize for sending the first two messages to the mailing list. I hadn't intended to. The first was an accident, in the second I hadn't noticed that Wu Jie had deliberately copied the list on his reply. Having said that, I think there's something to comment on here. On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 11:14:52AM -0500, George M. Ellenburg wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: bradm@gem.co.za > To: isp@freebsd.org > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions > > >> >>> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Rick Morel wrote: >>>> Perhaps it's _your_ email client that's "broken", as you say, in that it >>>> can't handle the various styles of others? Ever think of that, A-hole? Or is >>>> only what you use the best? >>> >>> If you bother to check the X-Mailer header on the messages containing >>> *answers*, you will probably find that most of them are text based. >>> >>> You want to cut that segment of the population out of your support >>> stream? Fine with me. >> >> I guess the "new" generation all use Microsoft products anyways... why >> are they on this mailing list if they are? > > > Excuse me... I find it difficult to excuse this illegible stuff. You *can* configure Outlook to adhere to the RFCs, though it's obviously difficult. I've reformatted this so that I can read it. > Some of us are on this mailing list because we are all ISP's or we work for ISP's. Maybe our servers are FreeBSD/ Linux/ SCO based - but it's a dog-eat-dog world out there. Out workstations are Win95 or WinNT. OK, I sympathize. But what does this have to do with anything? I'm not saying "change your mailer", though it appears that there are better mailers than Outlook. > It's impossible for me to send a letter, which has been formatted with one of the Unix postscript and non postscript tfu's and expect a colleague at the other end of the hall to be able to work with it. Again, you don't *have* to change. Are you saying that your colleagues can't read standard mail? > The fact of the matter is, I have to use M$ Word or Wordperfect (or Lotus Word Pro). Typically I use MS Word, plainly because it's a decent word processing program. I think we could agree to disagree on that point. Again, what's the point. > It's not right for anyone to continue on and degrade another individual for their choice of E-Mail software. Take a step back ... isn't that a little petty? I'm not complaining about his choice. I'm complaining about what he expects me to read. That goes for you, too. In addtiion, in many cases people don't even know that the mailer is mangling their mail, and I've had many thanks for drawing the problem to people's attention. > Greg, I hate to point this out to you - but it's your choice to use Mutt as your E-Mail client ever so much that it's my choice to use Outlook Express (or Eudora Pro). You could always use Pine, you know. There's a wondrous key combonation called ^J which will add the appropriate line breaks and rejustify a paragraph (in Pine). In fact, mutt doesn't do too badly with badly formatted text. But I don't have time to read it if it's badly formatted. That goes both for one line per paragraph and alternate long and short lines. Apart from the obvious impoliteness of sending badly formatted mail, consider what it does to your reputation. It looks very unprofessional. There are good reasons for requiring that mailers don't reformat text. Consider the following, which is the text of this message in dual columns. Yes, I don't need to do it in this particular case, but I do occasionally send out two-column text for good reasons. Can you read it? If not, you need to fix your mailer settings. Greg (two-column attachment) - 1 - I suppose I should first Wordperfect (or Lotus Word apologize for sending the Pro). Typically I use MS first two messages to the Word, plainly because it's a mailing list. I hadn't in- decent word processing pro- tended to. The first was an gram. accident, in the second I hadn't noticed that Wu Jie I think we could agree to had deliberately copied the disagree on that point. list on his reply. Having Again, what's the point. said that, I think there's something to comment on > It's not right for anyone here. to continue on and degrade another individual for their I find it difficult to ex- choice of E-Mail software. cuse this illegible stuff. Take a step back ... isn't You *can* configure Outlook that a little petty? to adhere to the RFCs, though it's obviously diffi- I'm not complaining about cult. I've reformatted this his choice. I'm complaining so that I can read it. about what he expects me to read. That goes for you, > Some of us are on this too. In addtiion, in many mailing list because we are cases people don't even know all ISP's or we work for that the mailer is mangling ISP's. Maybe our servers their mail, and I've had are FreeBSD/ Linux/ SCO many thanks for drawing the based - but it's a dog-eat- problem to people's atten- dog world out there. Out tion. workstations are Win95 or WinNT. > Greg, I hate to point this out to you - but it's your OK, I sympathize. But what choice to use Mutt as your does this have to do with E-Mail client ever so much anything? I'm not saying that it's my choice to use "change your mailer", though Outlook Express (or Eudora it appears that there are Pro). You could always use better mailers than Outlook. Pine, you know. There's a wondrous key combonation > It's impossible for me to called ^J which will add the send a letter, which has appropriate line breaks and been formatted with one of rejustify a paragraph (in the Unix postscript and non Pine). postscript tfu's and expect a colleague at the other end In fact, mutt doesn't do too of the hall to be able to badly with badly formatted work with it. text. But I don't have time to read it if it's badly Again, you don't *have* to formatted. That goes both change. Are you saying that for one line per paragraph your colleagues can't read and alternate long and short standard mail? lines. > The fact of the matter is, Apart from the obvious impo- I have to use M$ Word or liteness of sending badly - 2 - formatted mail, consider what it does to your reputa- tion. It looks very unpro- fessional. There are good reasons for requiring that mailers don't reformat text. Consider the following, which is the text of this message in dual columns. Yes, I don't need to do it in this particular case, but I do occasionally send out two-column text for good reasons. Can you read it? If not, you need to fix your mailer settings. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 14:46:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA12425 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12400 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id IAA18515; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:46:06 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199711252246.IAA18515@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U In-Reply-To: from "Mel Lester Jr." at "Nov 25, 97 10:32:37 am" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: meljr@connet80.com (Mel Lester Jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:46:06 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Patrick, > > I agree that something has to be done. The implied threat at the end of > this particular piece of SPAM really disturbs me. Personally, I hate > SPAM and I am beginning to hate SPAMMERS to the point of loosing objectivity. > I have lost objectivity, I am looking for a sendmail ruleset the will only allow my home system to receive mail from the addresses I type into a list. >From an Austrialian ISP's point of view SAPM's are terrible, we get charged per MB for inbound traffic so SPAM's cost us real money. The only sure solution I have though of, is to replace or upgrade the SMTP protocol so that you can no longer forge headers and the true source is always identified. That would help a lot. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 15:19:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA15556 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:19:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15550 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:19:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA06419; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:48:55 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19971126094855.45022@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:48:55 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Susie Ward Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking of Spam (Was Re: We will mail 4 U) References: <3.0.32.19971125140320.006b4240@mail.voltage.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971125140320.006b4240@mail.voltage.net>; from Susie Ward on Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 02:03:21PM -0600 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 02:03:21PM -0600, Susie Ward wrote: > Some of you may be interested in reading about a recent court case an ISP > won against a spammer. > > http://www.zilker.net/nospam.html > > The ruling was November 11th, so many of you may have already heard about > it :) More to the point, read the judgement: http://www.zilker.net/nospam/judgment.html Unfortunately, this particular case involved abuse of a domain name (flowers.com), and this, coupled with a disruption of Zilker's operations, were the basis of the judgement. Still, it's nice to see that things are happening. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 16:42:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA22521 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:42:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22510 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:42:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id TAA19414 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA10338 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199711260034.TAA10338@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Racks In-Reply-To: from "Gary D. Margiotta" at "Nov 25, 97 10:54:31 am" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:34:02 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently Gary D. Margiotta said: > Hello, > > Quick question: > Anyone have any recommendations for a decent rack? I am looking for a > rack that will hold a few rackmount cases (4 or 5 if we can fit them, > standard 19" 4U cases), a 14" or 15" monitor on a shelf, and a UPS without > fear of buckling or tipping over. We currently have a rack from Datatel, > and it is kinda cheesy. The holes aren't lined properly, but it holds the > few things we have on it, couple routers, CSU/DSU and a hub, UPS. I am > looking to spend under $500 per rack if possible, but am willing to go > higher for better quality (definately under $1000 tho). > If you aren't proud find some electronics surlplus place and look for sales/auctions at schools/miltary. The place I do some work for just bought 5 racks - 3 at 19x30 and 2 at 19x24. Paid $260 for the lot. Naval surplus. A bit scruffy but they'll clean up nicely. Locally we also have a suprlus places that always have racks stacked around. I work for/with the king of the scroungers - but he scrounges quite well. -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 16:53:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA23729 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:53:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23714 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA05437; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:53:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: jack X-Sender: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net To: "George M. Ellenburg" cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <01bcf9c4$7b429a80$f828cccf@caffeine> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, George M. Ellenburg wrote, with a mail client that doesn't wrap lines: > |The web and email are two entirely different areas. By using that M$ crap > |you are producing mail that is not in compliance with RFC1855. Of course > |Bill has never let little things like standards get in his way. > > > RFC-822 and RFC-1855 were written before the onslaught of newbies en > masse flocking to the Internet. We are all ISP's guys, it's these > newbies en masse which pay our bills and which keeps us in business, > have we forgotten that? And because the user base has grown standards should be abandoned? > Standards change with the market. The fact of the matter is, today, our > customers are not using VT-52 or VT-100 terminals to log into a Unix > machine to use gopher. Our customers power up their workstations, > connect to us via PPP, and surf the Web - with pretty graphics, Java, > DHTML, Plug-Ins, etc. PPP is defined in RFCs. w3.org covers HTML and those who use proprietary extensions limit their audience. Sun's suing M$ over M$'s attempt to hijack Java. > If everyone here is so hard headed about standards, then you're being a > hypocrite for going to Blockbuster and renting a video tape. > > A VHS tape at that - when it's a known fact that Beta produced a much > higher picture quality (and is still in use today by television stations > and ENG crews). VHS survived. Why? JVC's marketing, not Sony's with > Beta. I'd certainly never deny that marketing and not technology drives the market place. If it were the other way around the masses would be running, and there're be a plethora of software for, OS/2. The entire windows minagerie would be also rans. > The *original* VHS standard never supported stereo. Guess I shouldn't > have been watching my copy of Independence Day with my Dolby Surround > System when it came out on tape. The *original* standard never > supported stereo. The standard has now been bastardized. I can watch a stereo tape on an old VCR and not have to filter out the second audio channel. I can listen to an FM stereo broadcast on a monaural receiver without distortion. The screen of a black and white television set is not cluttered with when viewing a color broadcast. The same can not be said for .html files masquerading as email. > Standards change with the times, market pressures, and more. The standard has not been changed. If microsoft wants new standards let them submit an RFC. Let the industry decide if it wants to abandon text based mail in favor of bloated formatting codes. > Frankly guys. there's too much in this world to worry about than over > this petty diatribe of a thread. > > In the immortal words of a young black man in L.A. back in the late > 80's... "Can't we all just get along?" Sure, at my addresses that are not covered by my SysAdmin hat I have no problem redirecting .html, MS-TNEF (or whatever it is), windat, V-CARDS, et al. to /dev/null, unread. To ask for help with an OS that is primarily text based, and where those most proficient with it are likely using text based mail readers, using drool and click biased mail is a bit foolish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 16:58:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA24287 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:58:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mailb.telia.com (mailb.telia.com [194.22.194.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24282 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from d1o62.telia.com (root@d1o62.telia.com [195.198.198.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09201; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:58:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from partitur.se (t3o62p28.telia.com [195.198.198.148]) by d1o62.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00221; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:58:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <347B7460.D49C2E7E@partitur.se> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:59:12 +0100 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zoonie CC: Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello, > > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > > > > Michael > > > > Yes. The problems went away in 2.2.2. But the driver is MUCH better in 2.2.5. Get it! :) /Palle From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 17:59:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00727 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:59:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shawn.cpl.net (shawn@shawn.cpl.net [207.67.172.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00705 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@shawn.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by shawn.cpl.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05851; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:59:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: zoonie cc: Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i have a 2940 in a 2.2.5-stable box and it works just fine, but i don't > have any disk drives attached to it yet. i just use it for my exabyte > 8200 tape drive.... When I had FreeBSD-2.2-stable on my PC, it ran fine with a 2940... granted I wasnt running a newsserver, and from what I remeber, a lot of people were having problems with the 2940UW and newsservers... From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 06:26:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA19952 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:26:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from houseofduck.thoroweb.com (houseofduck.thoroweb.com [206.252.145.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA19941 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:25:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shaggy@geocities.com) Received: from ntserver.remote.dti.net (www.thoroweb.com [206.252.145.145]) by houseofduck.thoroweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA00186 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:25:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shaggy@geocities.com) Received: by www.thoroweb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: shaggy To: "'Susie Ward'" , Greg Lehey Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Web Page Restrictions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:43:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, November 25, 1997 3:38 PM, Susie Ward [SMTP:sward@voltage.net] wrote: > At 07:14 PM 11/25/97 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > Let's say that MS creates it's own mail protocol that isn't compliant with > any of the current protocols in use today and let's say that MS included a > free email program that utilized this protocol on EVERY operating system > they sold. Now MS has a damn hefty market share do they not? How many of > YOUR users are using Win95? I know that 95% of mine are. Now lets say that > in order to operate a mail server that supported this protocol that all our > users are wanting so badly we had to purchase a mail server from MS and > what if MS wanted $1,000 for this "special" mail server? Like the $1200 we spent for Exchange Server? :-) > Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 06:40:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA20931 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mailman.campbellsci.com ([207.201.118.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA20926 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:40:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from travis@campbellsci.com) Received: from gary_roberts (GADIANTON.campbellsci.com [207.201.118.5]) by mailman.campbellsci.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA238 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:40:08 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: travis@campbellsci.com (Gary Travis Roberts) Organization: Campbell Scientific, Inc. To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:42:36 -07:0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: What happens if? X-Confirm-Reading-To: travis@campbellsci.com X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Message-ID: <19971126144003735.AAA238@GADIANTON.campbellsci.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, This is a little off the subject. We had an interesting experience here this last Monday when our service provider's (the one that provides our connection to the Internet backbone) router failed. When this happened our domain was essentially unreachable. My question to the group is. What happens to E-mail in this situation. We have a few theorys here, but have never read anything that explicitly states that these are fact. Anyone know for sure what is going on with E-mail for servers that are unreachable? Is there such a thing as lost E-mail? We currently are using Netscape Mail Server and NT but have since grown wiser and are now in the process of moving our systems to Free BSD. Thanks for your help. G. Travis Roberts KC7HHK MIS Software Engineer / Assistant Network Administrator Campbell Scientific, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 07:17:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA23425 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-005coauroP05.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23407 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:17:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bminazzi@denverweb.net) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08822 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:20:50 -0700 Message-ID: <347C3E51.335A3B32@denverweb.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:20:49 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1A27D8FE7D432D8935E60149" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1A27D8FE7D432D8935E60149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, in a nutshell; A: Screw the standards if its popular, or esp. if its MS. B: Who cares if anyone can read my mail, as long as _I_ like my MUA. C: Microsquid is a standard, just because they are big. D: If I cant read your mail without effort, its _MY_ fault for using software that DOES comply with a known standard. E: Religious wars also cover O/S's and Mail software. Yeah, OK.... I think I got it. So, can we argue about editors now? How about a VI vs. Emacs war? Hoppy Hallidays. Disclaimer: Above is sarcastic/humor for those who cannot tell. For those that have the right software, I include this. If you cant figure it out, amybe your mail software is broken/set up improperly. ( grin ). --------------1A27D8FE7D432D8935E60149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="turkey" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="turkey" ,+*^^*+___+++_ ,*^^^^ / / / ) _+* / / / / /^**+_ +^ / _ _++*+_+++_, / / ) _+^^*+_ ( / / ,+*^ ^ / / \+_ / ) { ) ( ,( /,_+--+--, / ^) / ^\ { (@) } f ,( ,+-^ __*_*_ ^^\_ ^\/ / ) {:;-/ (_+*-+^^^^^+*+*<_ _++_)_ / ) / ) / / ( / ( ( ,___ ^*+_+* ) / < ____) >___ ^\_\_\_\_\_\_\) ^^^//\\_^^//\\_^ ^(\_\_\_\) ---- ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --------------1A27D8FE7D432D8935E60149-- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 07:24:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA23897 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:24:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23891 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:24:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsmith@sig.net) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by austin.aus.sig.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA27810; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:24:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:24:19 -0600 (CST) From: Thad Smith X-Sender: tsmith@austin.aus.sig.net To: Gary Travis Roberts cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What happens if? In-Reply-To: <19971126144003735.AAA238@GADIANTON.campbellsci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Gary Travis Roberts wrote: > What happens to E-mail in this situation? The user gets a message from their sendmail server saying that the connection to the server failed. > Is there such a thing as lost E-mail? Well, there's no email grave or anything like that. After sendmail (qmail, etc.) doesn't connect to the server, it sends the message back and either holds onto it and tries to resend it several times, or deletes it. It all depends on how the individual server is setup. > We currently are using Netscape Mail Server and NT but have since > grown wiser and are now in the process of moving our systems to Free > BSD. Thanks for your help. > > G. Travis Roberts KC7HHK > MIS Software Engineer / Assistant Network Administrator > Campbell Scientific, Inc. > ___________________"We make the Internet work."___________________ Thad Smith tsmith@sig.net Technical Support helpdesk@sig.net SigNet Partners Inc. http://www.sig.net 512.304.0713 800.396.5158 fax: 512.306.0702 Tell us what you think; use the reply form at the address above! __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 07:35:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA24887 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24882 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA25367; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:35:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:35:05 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Gary Travis Roberts cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What happens if? In-Reply-To: <19971126144003735.AAA238@GADIANTON.campbellsci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Although I have no experience with Netscape mailserver, I do know that if I tried to send you a message while you were down, sendmail would try every 30 minutes for 4 hours and then put your message in a longer queue if still not deliverable. After seven days, it gets deleted. Note this is sendmail specific and pretty close to default settings for sendmail. Since most of us use sendmail, you should not have any problems with receiving messages queued by other servers after coming back up. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Gary Travis Roberts wrote: > Sorry, This is a little off the subject. > We had an interesting experience here this last Monday when our > service provider's (the one that provides our connection to the > Internet backbone) router failed. When this happened our domain was > essentially unreachable. My question to the group is. What happens > to E-mail in this situation. We have a few theorys here, but have > never read anything that explicitly states that these are fact. > Anyone know for sure what is going on with E-mail for servers that > are unreachable? Is there such a thing as lost E-mail? > We currently are using Netscape Mail Server and NT but have since > grown wiser and are now in the process of moving our systems to Free > BSD. Thanks for your help. > > G. Travis Roberts KC7HHK > MIS Software Engineer / Assistant Network Administrator > Campbell Scientific, Inc. > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 07:54:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA26237 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:54:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26227 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23133; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:54:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711261554.HAA23133@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: shaggy cc: "'Susie Ward'" , Greg Lehey , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Nov 97 15:43:54 -0500. Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:54:11 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Tuesday, November 25, 1997 3:38 PM, Susie Ward >[SMTP:sward@voltage.net] wrote: >> At 07:14 PM 11/25/97 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> Let's say that MS creates it's own mail protocol that isn't compliant >with >> any of the current protocols in use today and let's say that MS >included a >> free email program that utilized this protocol on EVERY operating [...] >Like the $1200 we spent for Exchange Server? :-) 1) Exchange Server doesn't use any proprietary mail protocols. It's native format is X400, and it has native conversion to/from SMTP. 2) This case is nonsense since MS will not create any proprietary mail protocols -- they will continue to use standard Internet protocols. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 08:27:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA28714 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:27:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mrin53.mail.aol.com (mrin53.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA28708 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:27:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Hetzels@aol.com) From: Hetzels@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA20704 for isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:27:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:27:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971126112722_1106097205@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-25 19:38:30 EST, grog@lemis.com writes: > I'm not complaining about his choice. I'm complaining about what he > expects me to read. That goes for you, too. In addtiion, in many > cases people don't even know that the mailer is mangling their mail, > and I've had many thanks for drawing the problem to people's > attention. > Enough of my mailer is better than yours war. Lets just send a polite notice to the original sender, and not to the list. Scot Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 08:42:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA29705 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:42:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from inspace.net (nova.ispace.com [207.204.40.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA29700 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:42:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gme@inspace.net) Received: from caffeine (caffeine.inspace.net [207.204.40.248]) by inspace.net (8.8.6) (8.8.6) (SPAM Stopper: 3.0b2) with SMTP id LAA00326; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:41:51 -0500 (EST) From: "George M. Ellenburg" To: "Blaine Minazzi" Cc: Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:35:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcfa89$5de53fe0$f828cccf@caffeine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA29701 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Blaine Minazzi To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions |So, in a nutshell; |A: Screw the standards if its popular, or esp. if its MS. I've never said screw the standards. Would it be any different if I were using Netscape's Mail from X? |B: Who cares if anyone can read my mail, as long as _I_ like my MUA. And should I be penalized for my bad eyesight when it's easier for me to read your mail in a sans-serifed font at least 18pts in size, as opposed to the standard 80x25 font size on my FreeBSD screen? |C: Microsquid is a standard, just because they are big. I never said that. |D: If I cant read your mail without effort, its _MY_ fault for using |software that DOES comply with a known standard. And because I can't read your mail without effort, it's _MY_ fault for using software that DOES allow me to read your mail? |E: Religious wars also cover O/S's and Mail software. So true. |Yeah, OK.... I think I got it. We'll see. |So, can we argue about editors now? How about a VI vs. Emacs war? Personally, I prefer vi or joe. Emacs never appealed to me, but in a free society, one should be entitled to their own opinion, correct? |Hoppy Hallidays. Same to you. |Disclaimer: Above is sarcastic/humor for those who cannot tell. I'd like to think that at least I'm no so dense as not to tell, my friend. |For those that have the right software, I include this. |If you cant figure it out, amybe your mail software is broken/set up |improperly. ( grin ). Gee, since I'm using Outlook Express, and I *can* see your pretty ASCII art, does that mean my MUA is not broken? One final note and clarification ... if anyone *has* noticed, at least I haven't asked for any help for FreeBSD while using Outlook Express. The point I was making folks is that is it really that difficult to reformat a paragraph if you can't read it? I think not, not in most MUAs, whether console based or GUI. Lord knows I prefer working in a console envrionment over GUI any day but life dealt me a deck of cards where my eyesight is now suffering for which I'm forced to work in a GUI just so I can simply see the screen. For others, it may be a different story such as they're servers are colo'd at another location and the individual doesn't have immediate access to the console. Should they be penalized as well? I'd hope not. Still some may prefer the enhancements which the new MUAs offer such as style-sheets (which *is* a standard - though I agree not for mail), or especially in my case spell-check. Should these people be penalized as well? "There's no need to color television, as no one will watch it." -- said in the 1950s. "640k is all anyone will need for memory." -- Bill Gates, early 80s. Because of my country's total insistence (read FCC) that any broadcast standard must be backwards compatible with all others, it will be at least 10 years before HDTV takes off. Now who's being penalized? Why are we no longer using X.25 for digital communication or SLIP for that matter? New technology has emerged on the market which offers greater benefits and cost savings. "What about my X.25 PADs I still have?" Tough. If you want to communicate faster and cheaper, you're forced to upgrade. My cell phone is all digital. Why can I no longer use the car phone I've had since the early 1980s with any cell provider? The protocol is no longer supported (it was a car phone, not a cell phone). I used to be the biggest opponent to WindowsNT, to the point of literally getting into fights with proponents of that monster of an O/S. Who in their right mind would support a monopoly which has a closed O/S (i.e. no source). The fact of the matter is, somethings are done faster and easier *and* better in NT than in Unix (any flavor). I believe in using the right tool for the job. Unix has it's *many* places, so do many other O/Ses. Same goes for software. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 09:01:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01259 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:01:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01250 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:01:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky.voltage.net (ArkyLady@arky.voltage.net [208.15.104.72]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26544 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:00:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971126110048.007b6750@voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:00:48 -0600 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <199711261554.HAA23133@MindBender.serv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:54 AM 11/26/97 -0800, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: >2) This case is nonsense since MS will not create any proprietary mail >protocols -- they will continue to use standard Internet protocols. Yeah, I'm sure they will too. I mean afterall they are such stickler to the standards now :) Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 09:17:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA02408 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (qmailr@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA02400 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:17:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@calyx.net) Received: (qmail 29259 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 17:17:36 -0000 Received: from kwesi.calyx.net (208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 17:17:36 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971126120548.0070a328@calyx.net> X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:05:48 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Nicholas Merrill Subject: Re: We will mail 4 U In-Reply-To: <199711252246.IAA18515@spooky.eis.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:46 AM 11/26/97 +1000, you wrote: >I have lost objectivity, I am looking for a sendmail ruleset the will only >allow my home system to receive mail from the addresses I type into a list. >The only sure solution I have though of, is to replace or upgrade the SMTP protocol so >that you can no longer forge headers and the true source is always identified. >That would help a lot. > I suggest you check out Paul Vixie's new anti-spam thing, MAPS RBL (Mail Abuse Prevention System - Realtime Blackhole List) at http://maps.vix.com He's got rulesets to integrate it into sendmail, and there's a patch for qmail 1.01 available as well which I am using. IT works great - denies people access based on their IP address, the list of which is maintained by Vixie. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 917-381-0500 Voice: 212-292-7325 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 13-17 Laight St. NYC, NY 10013 Email: nick@calyx.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 10:06:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05911 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05899 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11501; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:06:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00705; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:05:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:05:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199711261805.LAA00705@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "George M. Ellenburg" Cc: "Blaine Minazzi" , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions In-Reply-To: <01bcfa89$5de53fe0$f828cccf@caffeine> References: <01bcfa89$5de53fe0$f828cccf@caffeine> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Why are we no longer using X.25 for digital communication or SLIP for > that matter? Matter of fact, I'm using SLIP locally because it's about 10% more effecient than PPP on the same line, if you disable block compression. I have VJ compression enabled, but that's it and I get much better throughput and interactive performance using it than with PPP. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's not in use, or still useful. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 10:14:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06339 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06334 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:14:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24299; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd024297; Wed Nov 26 10:14:14 1997 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id KAA18501; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199711261814.KAA18501@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: What happens if? In-Reply-To: <19971126144003735.AAA238@GADIANTON.campbellsci.com> from Gary Travis Roberts at "Nov 26, 97 07:42:36 am" To: travis@campbellsci.com (Gary Travis Roberts) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sorry, This is a little off the subject. > We had an interesting experience here this last Monday when our > service provider's (the one that provides our connection to the > Internet backbone) router failed. When this happened our domain was > essentially unreachable. My question to the group is. What happens > to E-mail in this situation. We have a few theorys here, but have > never read anything that explicitly states that these are fact. > Anyone know for sure what is going on with E-mail for servers that > are unreachable? Is there such a thing as lost E-mail? > We currently are using Netscape Mail Server and NT but have since > grown wiser and are now in the process of moving our systems to Free > BSD. Thanks for your help. > > G. Travis Roberts KC7HHK > MIS Software Engineer / Assistant Network Administrator > Campbell Scientific, Inc. If people trying to send you email, have a good smtp, they will spool the email. But they might see warnings with "Domain not found" messages. I would always recommend to have an offsite secondary DNS server, for best not even in the same network as your upstream. You also should then see to have a backup MX record, which will only used, if everything else is down. Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 14:44:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA25950 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:44:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25931; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:44:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsmith@sig.net) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by austin.aus.sig.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA15114; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:43:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:43:58 -0600 (CST) From: Thad Smith X-Sender: tsmith@austin.aus.sig.net To: isp@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: my address on this list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To whomever administers these lists, Please remove my adress from your mailing distros for now..I will be away from a computer for an entire week and dread the idea of coming back to 200+ messages to go through. I enjoy the discussions, but not that much. Besides, I don't run freebsd, nor do I support it (for now). Thanks and have a great Thanksgiving, Thad Smith ___________________"We make the Internet work."___________________ Thad Smith tsmith@sig.net Technical Support helpdesk@sig.net SigNet Partners Inc. http://www.sig.net 512.304.0713 800.396.5158 fax: 512.306.0702 Tell us what you think; use the reply form at the address above! __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 15:18:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA28448 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:18:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from falcon.sourcee.com (falcon.sourcee.com [205.181.248.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28440 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:18:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@falcon.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by falcon.sourcee.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id SAA04417 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:18:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:18:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Norman C. Rice" Message-Id: <199711262318.SAA04417@falcon.sourcee.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 22:05:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA00746 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA00712 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:05:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA23175; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:34:21 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19971127163421.54240@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:34:21 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Free Speech Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, gme@inspace.net, isp@freebsd.org, Wu Jie Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions References: <19971127054549.23369.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19971127054549.23369.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Free Speech on Wed, Nov 26, 1997 at 09:45:47PM -0800 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Nov 26, 1997 at 09:45:47PM -0800, Free Speech wrote: > Oh! I can't believe it! When I come back after 2 days, I find the > email I used was banned from this mailing list! > > Free Speech and Blue Ribbon can't be found here? FreeBSD has not Free > Speech? :) > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > .. while talking to hub.freebsd.org.: >>>> MAIL From: SIZE=3189 > <<< 550 Access denied > 554 ... Service unavailable Is that still the case? It might be some anti-spam rules. I wouldn't like to think that they had banned you. > Hi folks, sorry for my late response since I was a little bit busy these > several days. This letter is intended to several senders in this mailing > list. Seems an argument on wrap/non-wrap mailers has really been raised. > :-) That's a reasonable statement. > To grog@lemis.com: > >> I suppose I should first apologize for sending the first two messages >> to the mailing list. I hadn't intended to. The first was an >> accident, in the second I hadn't noticed that Wu Jie had deliberately >> copied the list on his reply. > > Hey, Greg, how could you say that? I always cc: messages pertaining to > this > mailing list to the list itself. Most of us do this way. And, if you > have > deliberately sent some mail (eg the mail to Mr. Rick Morel) to the list, > you > needn't append explanations that they are just accidents. Did you know what you're getting alternate long and short lines? I don't normally copy lists on messages in which I disagree with people. I screwed up twice in this particular case. I'm copying the list on this message, though, because you invited me to. > To nate@mt.sri.com: > >> If you want help, format your mail so that it can be seen by people > who >> answer your questions. That means text-terminals with under 80 chars, >> like the email you just sent. Note that your mailer is also misquoting Nate (he didn't put the 'who' on a line by itself). > Firstly, it's not me, it's Mr. Rick Morel. Secondly, I always send my > emails > the same way, on difference in "just sent" or "previously sent". I'm not sure that I understand what this is intended to mean. Nate was raising the same point that I was: if you want people to read your mail, it's common courtesy to send it in a legible manner. If your mailer mangles it, that's your business. >>> It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext > non-line-break >>> style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break > world? >> >> Because "that's the rules". If you want to send email over the > internet >> to non-M$ machines, then you gotta follow the rules. In the same >> manner, if Unix people want email to be read by M$ users, they have to >> use short sentences with small words so that they can be read, and not >> too long since it may crashe their mailer if it's too long. :( > > If rules and RFCs are always correct forever, why there are so many > obsoleted rules and RFCs? If "old command-line-break" is the rules of > UNIX, > where are the X11 and XFree86 from? I think that people will gradually migrate towards better standards. This particular "standard" isn't better, it's worse. >> If you want help from people who give it away for free, then make it >> easier for them to give it. > > So you join this mailing list only because you want to get help for > free! I > see. No you don't. The original message was (legitimately) asking for free help. Nobody's complaining about that (yet). > Regards, > Wu Jie Ah. It's you. You had your mailer set up right for a while (first it was one line per paragraph, then it was right, now you have alternate long and short lines). This apprears surprisingly common with Microsoft Outlook. Why is it that many clever people can't persuade it to send straight mail? Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 23:23:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA05545 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:23:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ol2.openlines.com (ol2.openlines.com [207.254.69.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05535 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:23:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patb@openlines.com) Received: from wuli.getnet.com (wuli.openlines.com [207.254.69.201]) by ol2.openlines.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA16993 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:23:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971127002318.00693cc4@openlines.com> X-Sender: patb@openlines.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:23:18 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Patrick Burm Subject: FP 98 Extensions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've searched the archives but could not find a definitive answer... I just wasted 4 hours of my life trying to hack the stupid install script the M$ made for the new 3.0 extensions. I'm trying to run the BSDI extensions on a FreeBSD 2.2-stable machine. Just when I thought I got it working, yet another thing is broken somewhere, what a pain. Anyway, does anyone have the 3.0 extensions working? Before I waste another 4 hours finishing my hacks, I don't want to discover that the bsdi extensions don't really work after all. I noticed some noise about passwords not working, and possibly a need to switch to DES from MD5. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Burm aka "[RR]WuLiMaster" patb@openlines.com Open Lines Communications ~ Mesa, AZ ~ 602.813.4569 ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 26 23:33:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA06068 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:33:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hotmail.com (F43.hotmail.com [207.82.250.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA06063 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nofreespeechhere@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 23370 invoked by uid 0); 27 Nov 1997 05:45:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127054549.23369.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.17.46.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:45:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.17.46.59] From: "Free Speech" To: grog@lemis.com, nate@mt.sri.com, gme@inspace.net Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:45:47 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oh! I can't believe it! When I come back after 2 days, I find the email I used was banned from this mailing list! Free Speech and Blue Ribbon can't be found here? FreeBSD has not Free Speech? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- .. while talking to hub.freebsd.org.: >>> MAIL From: SIZE=3189 <<< 550 Access denied 554 ... Service unavailable Hi folks, sorry for my late response since I was a little bit busy these several days. This letter is intended to several senders in this mailing list. Seems an argument on wrap/non-wrap mailers has really been raised. :) To grog@lemis.com: > I suppose I should first apologize for sending the first two messages > to the mailing list. I hadn't intended to. The first was an > accident, in the second I hadn't noticed that Wu Jie had deliberately > copied the list on his reply. Hey, Greg, how could you say that? I always cc: messages pertaining to this mailing list to the list itself. Most of us do this way. And, if you have deliberately sent some mail (eg the mail to Mr. Rick Morel) to the list, you needn't append explanations that they are just accidents. To nate@mt.sri.com: > If you want help, format your mail so that it can be seen by people who > answer your questions. That means text-terminals with under 80 chars, > like the email you just sent. Firstly, it's not me, it's Mr. Rick Morel. Secondly, I always send my emails the same way, on difference in "just sent" or "previously sent". > Uhh, so what? If you send email in another language, that's fine with > me. But, you'll only get responses from someone who reads that > language. Most terminals can read 8-bit text nowadays (FreeBSD is > capable) if their LOCALE is setup. You haven't make things clear at all. Although my default character set is not English, the whole mail IS in English, so at this kind of situation, the only problem is the "From:" "To:" "Subject:" etc. will be replaced by localised words automatically by OutLook Express. Although most terminals will not reject 8-bit texts, but they can't display correctly without the fonts installed. So there are odd characters appearing in the normal "From:" "To:" "Subject:" lines. Uhh, OK? >> It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break >> style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world? > > Because "that's the rules". If you want to send email over the internet > to non-M$ machines, then you gotta follow the rules. In the same > manner, if Unix people want email to be read by M$ users, they have to > use short sentences with small words so that they can be read, and not > too long since it may crashe their mailer if it's too long. :( If rules and RFCs are always correct forever, why there are so many obsoleted rules and RFCs? If "old command-line-break" is the rules of UNIX, where are the X11 and XFree86 from? > If you want help from people who give it away for free, then make it > easier for them to give it. So you join this mailing list only because you want to get help for free! I see. To gme@inspace.net: > A VHS tape at that ... A good example. Markets determine standards, users determine standards. if there is no much difference in technology. Regards, Wu Jie ---------------------------------------------------------------- I like FreeBSD and Netscape, I don't like Micro$oft, but I like to use OutLook Express. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 00:23:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA08704 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:23:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shawn.cpl.net (shawn@shawn.cpl.net [207.67.172.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA08691 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:23:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@shawn.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by shawn.cpl.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01768; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:23:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:23:11 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Patrick Burm cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FP 98 Extensions In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971127002318.00693cc4@openlines.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've searched the archives but could not find > a definitive answer... > > I just wasted 4 hours of my life trying to hack > the stupid install script the M$ made for the > new 3.0 extensions. I'm trying to run the BSDI > extensions on a FreeBSD 2.2-stable machine. > > Just when I thought I got it working, yet another > thing is broken somewhere, what a pain. > > Anyway, does anyone have the 3.0 extensions working? > > Before I waste another 4 hours finishing my hacks, > I don't want to discover that the bsdi extensions > don't really work after all. I noticed some noise > about passwords not working, and possibly a need > to switch to DES from MD5. I tried getting them to work on a BSDI machine, no luck. MS software has no business on any version of unix, much less BSD unix...not only that, I hear it is _very_ resource heavy. Not hard to believe considering their record. :) From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 00:38:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA09569 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:38:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hotmail.com (F77.hotmail.com [207.82.250.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA09564 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:38:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nofreespeechhere@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 9546 invoked by uid 0); 27 Nov 1997 08:38:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127083822.9545.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.17.46.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:38:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.17.46.59] From: "Free Speech" To: grog@lemis.com, nate@mt.sri.com, gme@inspace.net Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:38:21 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ah. It's you. You had your mailer set up right for a while (first it > was one line per paragraph, then it was right, now you have alternate > long and short lines). This apprears surprisingly common with > Microsoft Outlook. Why is it that many clever people can't persuade > it to send straight mail? Hey, hey, hey, Greg, didn't you notice the quoted email was from HOTMAIL? Not from the OutLook Express you hate so much. Maybe from your point of view, HOTMAIL would better shutdown their machines and close their services. I'm a little fed up with this kind of argument. Yes, you like hard line breaks where many people of the world like web style email. None is better. Everyone has his own habit. Why kept yelling at others and saying you'd better change your mailer choice? If someone doesn't like the way others write in their emails, why not just giving no response and keeping silence? I suggest people in this mailing list helping each other instead of quarrelling each other. Wu Jie ---------------------------------------------------------------- I like FreeBSD and Netscape, I don't like Micro$oft, but I like to use OutLook Express. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 00:45:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA10047 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:45:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ijs.com (ijs.com [205.149.188.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA10037 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:45:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jivko@ijs.com) Received: from ijs (slip166-72-210-66.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.210.66]) by ijs.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA08289; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:44:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971127004551.00a10100@ijs.com> X-Sender: jivko@ijs.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:45:51 -0800 To: Patrick Burm , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jivko Koltchev Subject: Re: FP 98 Extensions In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971127002318.00693cc4@openlines.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:23 AM 11/27/97 -0700, Patrick Burm wrote: >I've searched the archives but could not find >a definitive answer... > >I just wasted 4 hours of my life trying to hack >the stupid install script the M$ made for the >new 3.0 extensions. I'm trying to run the BSDI >extensions on a FreeBSD 2.2-stable machine. > >Just when I thought I got it working, yet another >thing is broken somewhere, what a pain. > >Anyway, does anyone have the 3.0 extensions working? > >Before I waste another 4 hours finishing my hacks, >I don't want to discover that the bsdi extensions >don't really work after all. I noticed some noise >about passwords not working, and possibly a need >to switch to DES from MD5. IT is working, but you a right - it is not fun to install. The way I managed to make it work in less than an hour was by ignoring the install script completely - move all un tared files in /usr/local/frontpage/version.30 and make /usr/local/frontpage/current... to point to the new directory. I did have 2.0 installed earlier and the above worked just fine. Jivko From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 05:58:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA23403 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:58:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from imo03.mail.aol.com (imo03.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA23395 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Hetzels@aol.com) From: Hetzels Message-ID: <870e727d.347d7c1e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:56:44 EST To: patb@openlines.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FP 98 Extensions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-27 03:22:09 EST, patb@openlines.com writes: > I've searched the archives but could not find > a definitive answer... > > I just wasted 4 hours of my life trying to hack > the stupid install script the M$ made for the > new 3.0 extensions. I'm trying to run the BSDI > extensions on a FreeBSD 2.2-stable machine. > > Just when I thought I got it working, yet another > thing is broken somewhere, what a pain. > > Anyway, does anyone have the 3.0 extensions working? > > Before I waste another 4 hours finishing my hacks, > I don't want to discover that the bsdi extensions > don't really work after all. I noticed some noise > about passwords not working, and possibly a need > to switch to DES from MD5. > The FP 98 Extentions do work. I also create an apache-fp port that is waiting for submission. The port is located at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/apache- fp.port.tgz . This port uses the FrontPage Module that MS created to provide a secure environment. Currently, the port will: 1. patch MS install script, and mod_frontpage 2. make apache w/mod_frontpage 3. creates user & group www, then asign this user & group to directories ../etc/apache & ../www/data. 4. Run MS install script. NOTE: when asked for user & group always give www. The current problems with the port is that the directory ../frontpage & *.cnf files need to be owned by the above created user (www), so that the extentions can write to the *.cnf files. So for now just chown this directory and the *.cnf in ../frontpage, DON'T chown the sub-directories. Also, if you wish to use the admin pages, a link to the we80.cnf file needs to made for the web server name (ex. www.domain.org:80.cnf -> we80.cnf), so that if you want to turn the extentions off you can. As for virtual webs, the directory also must be owned by www, if you wish to add fp98 support to them. Currently, the apache-fp server runs as user nouser & group nogroup. You may want to change it to the user & group www. Scot Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 18:37:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12053 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:37:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12047 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:37:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsdlist@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA29470 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:37:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:37:25 -0500 (EST) From: Cliff Addy To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <347AF87B.F155E4F4@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Michael Slater wrote: > > > Hello, > > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? We have had ongoing problems with our Adaptec 2940UW servers since the 2.1.7 debacle. Our servers were gloriously stable up through 2.1.5, unreliable since. 2.2, 2.2.1, and 2.2.2 have shown no improvement, same old story that others have mentioned, especially the spontaneous lockups with "SCSI bus resets." Haven't tried with 2.2.5, we're probably converting to another OS since it looks like it's not going to get fixed. Personally, I'm tired of getting up at 2am to power-cycle a server, if I enjoyed that we'd be running NT :) From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 18:49:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12659 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12651 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:49:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsdlist@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA00778; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:49:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: Cliff Addy To: Kenneth Chiu cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Kenneth Chiu wrote: > Turn on SCAM. I don't know why, but it seems to work. Is this done in FreeBSD or from the Adaptec card utilities? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 19:41:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA15739 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15733 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:41:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id WAA21021 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA17738 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199711280338.WAA17738@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: from Cliff Addy at "Nov 27, 97 09:37:25 pm" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:38:32 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently Cliff Addy said: > > Michael Slater wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > > > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > We have had ongoing problems with our Adaptec 2940UW servers since the > 2.1.7 debacle. Our servers were gloriously stable up through 2.1.5, > unreliable since. 2.2, 2.2.1, and 2.2.2 have shown no improvement, same > old story that others have mentioned, especially the spontaneous lockups > with "SCSI bus resets." Haven't tried with 2.2.5, we're probably > converting to another OS since it looks like it's not going to get fixed. > Personally, I'm tired of getting up at 2am to power-cycle a server, if I > enjoyed that we'd be running NT :) > I had so much trouble getting the 2940's to work when I was installing an SCO system for a client 2 years ago, I have made every effort to avoid them and only use BusLogic. I've been using BusLogic controllers since they were known as BusTek. They really do know how to make controllers and shouldn't be considered a 'clone' manufacturer. For the trivia minded the first controller they made was the first EISA SCSI controller available, so in that case Adaptec would have been the cloner. Not affiliated with them, but just like their product. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 21:39:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA21642 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.san.rr.com (ns.san.rr.com [204.210.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21637 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:39:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dt050n3f.san.rr.com [204.210.31.63]) by mail.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA06603; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:39:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347E58DA.63B8B584@dal.net> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:38:34 -0800 From: Studded X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Addy CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cliff Addy wrote: > > > Michael Slater wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > > > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > > We have had ongoing problems with our Adaptec 2940UW servers since the > 2.1.7 debacle. Our servers were gloriously stable up through 2.1.5, > unreliable since. 2.2, 2.2.1, and 2.2.2 have shown no improvement, same > old story that others have mentioned, especially the spontaneous lockups > with "SCSI bus resets." Haven't tried with 2.2.5, we're probably > converting to another OS since it looks like it's not going to get fixed. > Personally, I'm tired of getting up at 2am to power-cycle a server, if I > enjoyed that we'd be running NT :) I don't blame you for being frustrated. I would give 2.2.5-Stable a try before you switch OS' though. The 2940 support has come leaps and bounds. Mine works just fine, but I don't do anything exciting with it. The SCAM support is turned on with the card's on-board BIOS. Use Ctrl-A right after the POST test (after a power cycle) and it should get you there. Unless you disabled it there's a banner that tells you when the 2940UW is initializing. If your card doesn't have that setting, Adaptec should be able to set you up with new BIOS. FWIW, my friend had a straight 2940 on a fairly busy shell server, and even with 2.2.2 his uptime went from days to months after he upgraded the card's BIOS and turned on SCAM support. Hope this helps, Doug From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 27 22:06:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22855 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:06:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22841 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:06:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky.voltage.net (arky.voltage.net [208.15.104.72]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09160 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:04:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971128000511.007bc3a0@voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:05:11 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199711280338.WAA17738@bilver.magicnet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:38 PM 11/27/97 -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: >I've been using BusLogic controllers since they were known as >BusTek. They really do know how to make controllers and shouldn't >be considered a 'clone' manufacturer. For the trivia minded the >first controller they made was the first EISA SCSI controller >available, so in that case Adaptec would have been the cloner. While we're on the subject, has anyone had good or bad luck with the Diamond Fireport controllers? I'm planning to get one and try it out, the 2940UW card is only around $130 .. good deal if they work well :) Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 02:56:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA07366 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:56:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA07360 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:56:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13625; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:52:33 GMT Message-ID: <347EA271.2F1CF0FB@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:52:33 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE References: <199711280338.WAA17738@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bill Vermillion wrote: > > Recently Cliff Addy said: > > > Michael Slater wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > > > > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > > > We have had ongoing problems with our Adaptec 2940UW servers since the > > 2.1.7 debacle. Our servers were gloriously stable up through 2.1.5, > > unreliable since. 2.2, 2.2.1, and 2.2.2 have shown no improvement, same > > old story that others have mentioned, especially the spontaneous lockups > > with "SCSI bus resets." Haven't tried with 2.2.5, we're probably > > converting to another OS since it looks like it's not going to get fixed. > > Personally, I'm tired of getting up at 2am to power-cycle a server, if I > > enjoyed that we'd be running NT :) > > > > I had so much trouble getting the 2940's to work when I was > installing an SCO system for a client 2 years ago, I have made > every effort to avoid them and only use BusLogic. Your problems may be more to do with things like bus length than choice of controller. I used to specify Buslogic by default but now I go for 3940s. I've got news servers running 2.2.2 that have 3940s fitted and they have been running without any problem, in fact the only problem I have had recently was with the one machine that had a Buslogic controller, so I've just replaced it with another 3940. When we were building the machines we found that we had to get the bus length as short as possible so we had special 0.5m cables made up. For those of you having problems answer these questions; 1) do you have external devices on the bus (with a 1m cable) 2) are you running the bus in Ultra SCSI mode If the answer to both of these is yes then you are looking for trouble. Add the lengths of ALL the bits of cable on any one SCSI bus and if this is > 1.5m then don't run in Ultra SCSI mode. This is why I've just swapped out a Buslogic for the 3940. The machine in question has 2 external devices and the 3940 allows me to split them across the 2 busses, in doing so I can keep the two bus lengths to a minimum and run the busses at high speed. I think the very VERY last thing I would do if I had problems would be to change to another OS. I've tried a few of them and I've come to the conclusion that FreeBSD is the most versatile and stable platform for an ISP. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 03:34:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA08814 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from atlas.iexpress.net.au (mikey@atlas.iexpress.net.au [203.61.175.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA08809 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@atlas.iexpress.net.au) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by atlas.iexpress.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA06370 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:33:29 +0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:33:29 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 2940 and 2.2.2-Release again... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all the people who responded to my question regarding the Adaptec 2940 and 2.2.2... Most of the comments i recieved indicated that the driver is now stable, so i took a chance and built a FreeBSD box with a 2940 . So far so good.. If it can take being used as a Squid proxy server that gets at least 70,000 hits an hour it should be able to handle anything.. Michael Slater From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 07:04:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA17859 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:04:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA17853 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:04:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id KAA07907 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA28643 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:46:22 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199711281446.JAA28643@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <347EA271.2F1CF0FB@cablenet.net> from Damian Hamill at "Nov 28, 97 10:52:33 am" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:46:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently Damian Hamill said: > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > I had so much trouble getting the 2940's to work when I was > > installing an SCO system for a client 2 years ago, I have made > > every effort to avoid them and only use BusLogic. > Your problems may be more to do with things like bus length than choice > of controller. I doubt that was the problem. This was in the early days of the 2940, and in one instance there were problems between the Adaptec and the motherboard BIOS. I just gave up on Adaptec. >I used to specify Buslogic by default but now I go for > 3940s. When I need the multiples busses like the 3940 - I'd go with the DPT. But I've never anything but BL in the 3 or 4 FreeBSD boxes I've used. >I've got news servers running 2.2.2 that have 3940s fitted and > they have been running without any problem, in fact the only problem I > have had recently was with the one machine that had a Buslogic > controller, so I've just replaced it with another 3940. What BL controller? > When we were building the machines we found that we had to get the bus > length as short as possible so we had special 0.5m cables made up. For > those of you having problems answer these questions; Good cables are a must. However .5m cables (if you have multiple targets) is definately not SCSI spec, which is .3m between targets and .1m stub. > 1) do you have external devices on the bus (with a 1m cable) > 2) are you running the bus in Ultra SCSI mode > If the answer to both of these is yes then you are looking for trouble. > Add the lengths of ALL the bits of cable on any one SCSI bus and if this > is > 1.5m then don't run in Ultra SCSI mode. This is why I've just > swapped out a Buslogic for the 3940. The machine in question has 2 > external devices and the 3940 allows me to split them across the 2 > busses, in doing so I can keep the two bus lengths to a minimum and run > the busses at high speed. > I think the very VERY last thing I would do if I had problems would be > to change to another OS. I've tried a few of them and I've come to the > conclusion that FreeBSD is the most versatile and stable platform for an > ISP. I'd never recommend changing OS'es to solve a hardware problem. I've been around Unix too long for that (1983 or so - someday I'll understand it). I've been working with the FreeBSD for under 6 months and so far it's the best Unix I've seen for easy of install, reliability, etc. We moved all the mail to the FreeBSD for the ISP that I do some work for (a small placd that does some specialized stuff - no dialup user accounts) and I suspect that we will be using FreeBSD for everything in the future that we can. There is one program that we use that is supported only on Sun, SGI (we have a pair of Challenge S), and NT. BSDI is in their future plans so that may work with the FreeBSD. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 08:00:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA21382 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21319 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA05763; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:59:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:59:47 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Cliff Addy cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Cliff Addy wrote: > > Michael Slater wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the past. > > > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > > We have had ongoing problems with our Adaptec 2940UW servers since the > 2.1.7 debacle. Our servers were gloriously stable up through 2.1.5, > unreliable since. 2.2, 2.2.1, and 2.2.2 have shown no improvement, same > old story that others have mentioned, especially the spontaneous lockups > with "SCSI bus resets." Haven't tried with 2.2.5, we're probably > converting to another OS since it looks like it's not going to get fixed. > Personally, I'm tired of getting up at 2am to power-cycle a server, if I > enjoyed that we'd be running NT :) > The only problems I've had with 2940UWs on fbsd2.1.5-2.2.1 have occurred when we mix wide/narrow devices on the host adapter or attach a narrow (of course) external tape drive. Leaving the bus all wide or all narrow and all internal has never given us problems. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 08:08:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA21929 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:08:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21915 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsdlist@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09248; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:08:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: Cliff Addy To: Jeff Lynch cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Jeff Lynch wrote: > The only problems I've had with 2940UWs on fbsd2.1.5-2.2.1 have occurred > when we mix wide/narrow devices on the host adapter or attach a narrow > (of course) external tape drive. Leaving the bus all wide or all narrow > and all internal has never given us problems. The servers we have that keep blowing up have only a single internal DAT on the narrow bus and a single internal UW HDD on the wide bus. It most common for a tape error to lock up the machine, but they also lock up with the same symptoms when no backups are being done. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 09:13:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA25304 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25294 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tholmes@zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (0@tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id MAA01555 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from bitter.zeus.leitch.com (bitter.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.66]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id MAA13582 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Holmes Received: (tholmes@localhost) by bitter.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA07628 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711281715.MAA07628@bitter.zeus.leitch.com> Subject: Multiple ISP's one network To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org (FreeBSD isp list) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I've been pouring through the email archives and have been doing a lot of reading trying to determine what the proper method is to accomplish what I want. I run a small online service that has multiple connections to the web via different isps. The connections are not symmetric. Initially, I'm dividing up the connections for different tasks and each link is split among different machines in my network (have two small CIDR blocks). >From what I've been reading, to accomplish properly load balanced connections, I would need to attain an ASN and run BGP externally, and (maybe) OSPF internally. Internally, I have a single net with a very simple setup (all simple static routes pointing to one of two gateway machines) - unless necessary, I would like to remain statically routed (keep it simple). Is my conclusion true, or is there a simpler way? Thanks in advance. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 09:24:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA25758 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25750; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:24:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21915; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:24:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711281724.KAA21915@pluto.plutotech.com> To: dg@root.com cc: isp@FreeBSD.org, gibbs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:23:00 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Michael Slater wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> > I have heard that the Adaptec 2940 driver has had problems in the pas >t. >> > Is this sorted out in 2.2.2-RELEASE ? > >We have had ongoing problems with our Adaptec 2940UW servers since the >2.1.7 debacle. Our servers were gloriously stable up through 2.1.5, >unreliable since. 2.2, 2.2.1, and 2.2.2 have shown no improvement, same >old story that others have mentioned, especially the spontaneous lockups >with "SCSI bus resets." Haven't tried with 2.2.5, we're probably >converting to another OS since it looks like it's not going to get fixed. >Personally, I'm tired of getting up at 2am to power-cycle a server, if I >enjoyed that we'd be running NT :) > It's actually already fixed, but not in any stable or current release. The main problem you are facing is that the SCSI code FreeBSD has used for some time simply wasn't designed to perform adequate error recovery. So, I started rewriting the SCSI layer a few months ago to deal with these kinds of problems. That work is available for running under FreeBSD-current, but it currently only supports the aic7xxx and advansys controllers with disk and cdrom devices. Tape support is close to being ready. Worm device and other controller support will follow after that. You may want to talk to Satoshi Asami who has been running the CAM code for some time on one of his servers. This server would crash readily under the standard SCSI code, but now handels bus stuffups without a hichup (His IBM drives look like they have a firmware bug...). I'm hoping that CAM will be integrated into current early next year, but I'll need some help from Stephan (to port the NCR driver) to make that the case. Even if you don't choose to try this solution to your problem, at least now you know that there is (and has been for some time) work in progress to make the SCSI subsystem much more robust. -- Justin From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 10:30:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA29289 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:30:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29280 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:30:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05473; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd005471; Fri Nov 28 10:21:31 1997 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Tony Holmes cc: FreeBSD isp list Subject: Re: Multiple ISP's one network In-Reply-To: <199711281715.MAA07628@bitter.zeus.leitch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The SIMPLEST way to do this is: to use NATD to translate outgoing packets on each outgoing pipe, so that the return address is via that pipe, (otherwise you will need to broadcast multiple routes to yourself which will confuse and annoy large parts of the net.) then use IPDIVERT and a private daemon, (roll-your own) on a single load-share machine (that is everybody's default route) to redirect packates to the PIPE head machines. (A) (B) (C) \ ---------+-----------/ | (D) | /---------+--------\ (E) (F) (G) A,B,C generate traffic D redirects E,F do NAT G uses a real address (for incoming requests) julian On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Tony Holmes wrote: > Hello, > > I've been pouring through the email archives and have been doing a lot of > reading trying to determine what the proper method is to accomplish what I > want. > > I run a small online service that has multiple connections to the web via > different isps. The connections are not symmetric. Initially, I'm dividing > up the connections for different tasks and each link is split among different > machines in my network (have two small CIDR blocks). > > From what I've been reading, to accomplish properly load balanced connections, > I would need to attain an ASN and run BGP externally, and (maybe) OSPF > internally. Internally, I have a single net with a very simple setup (all > simple static routes pointing to one of two gateway machines) - unless > necessary, I would like to remain statically routed (keep it simple). > > Is my conclusion true, or is there a simpler way? > > Thanks in advance. > > Tony > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 10:50:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00628 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00623 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:50:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18707; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:53:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711281853.KAA18707@implode.root.com> To: Cliff Addy cc: Jeff Lynch , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:08:35 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:53:24 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Jeff Lynch wrote: > >> The only problems I've had with 2940UWs on fbsd2.1.5-2.2.1 have occurred >> when we mix wide/narrow devices on the host adapter or attach a narrow >> (of course) external tape drive. Leaving the bus all wide or all narrow >> and all internal has never given us problems. > >The servers we have that keep blowing up have only a single internal DAT >on the narrow bus and a single internal UW HDD on the wide bus. It most >common for a tape error to lock up the machine, but they also lock up >with the same symptoms when no backups are being done. Hmmm...Do you have a narrow->wide converter than has termination for the upper (wide) data bits? I had a lot of problems here with using a narrow drive on a wide controller until Justin pointed out that the upper bits have to be terminated. I fixed the problem by putting a wide device at the end of the same cable that the narrow device was on (thus providing full wide termination). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 11:54:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04706 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:54:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04701 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01086; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:55:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:55:14 -0500 (EST) From: jack X-Sender: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199711281853.KAA18707@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, David Greenman wrote: > >On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Jeff Lynch wrote: > > > >> The only problems I've had with 2940UWs on fbsd2.1.5-2.2.1 have occurred > >> when we mix wide/narrow devices on the host adapter or attach a narrow > >> (of course) external tape drive. Leaving the bus all wide or all narrow > >> and all internal has never given us problems. > > > >The servers we have that keep blowing up have only a single internal DAT > >on the narrow bus and a single internal UW HDD on the wide bus. It most > >common for a tape error to lock up the machine, but they also lock up > >with the same symptoms when no backups are being done. > > Hmmm...Do you have a narrow->wide converter than has termination for the > upper (wide) data bits? I had a lot of problems here with using a narrow > drive on a wide controller until Justin pointed out that the upper bits have > to be terminated. I fixed the problem by putting a wide device at the end > of the same cable that the narrow device was on (thus providing full wide > termination). The trick, I think, is to have the last wide and the last narrow devices terminated. On the controller do not terminate the narrow but do terminate the wide. Works out something like this: W---------------C I O D N E---------------T N---------------r-------N A o A R l R R---------------r-------R Not quite up to Terry's ansi art but you get the idea. :} Note that you can only use two of internal narrow, internal wide, and external. Using all three results in a 'Y' effect on the narrow side of the scsi chain. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 12:04:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA05236 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05200 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:03:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19602; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:06:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711282006.MAA19602@implode.root.com> To: jack cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:55:14 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:06:42 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, David Greenman wrote: > >> >On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Jeff Lynch wrote: >> > >> >> The only problems I've had with 2940UWs on fbsd2.1.5-2.2.1 have occurred >> >> when we mix wide/narrow devices on the host adapter or attach a narrow >> >> (of course) external tape drive. Leaving the bus all wide or all narrow >> >> and all internal has never given us problems. >> > >> >The servers we have that keep blowing up have only a single internal DAT >> >on the narrow bus and a single internal UW HDD on the wide bus. It most >> >common for a tape error to lock up the machine, but they also lock up >> >with the same symptoms when no backups are being done. >> >> Hmmm...Do you have a narrow->wide converter than has termination for the >> upper (wide) data bits? I had a lot of problems here with using a narrow >> drive on a wide controller until Justin pointed out that the upper bits have >> to be terminated. I fixed the problem by putting a wide device at the end >> of the same cable that the narrow device was on (thus providing full wide >> termination). > >The trick, I think, is to have the last wide and the last narrow devices >terminated. On the controller do not terminate the narrow but do >terminate the wide. Works out something like this: > > >W---------------C >I O >D N >E---------------T >N---------------r-------N >A o A >R l R >R---------------r-------R > >Not quite up to Terry's ansi art but you get the idea. :} > >Note that you can only use two of internal narrow, internal wide, and >external. Using all three results in a 'Y' effect on the narrow side of >the scsi chain. That would terminate the narrow portion in the middle of the cable for one end of the termination. Termination needs to be at the physical end of the cable in order for it to work correctly. For people who need to put a narrow drive on a wide SCSI bus, there are available special wide->narrow converters that provide termination for the upper data bits - they're quite a bit more expensive, however. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 12:10:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA05541 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:10:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05536 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id NAA11788; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:08:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:08:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711282008.NAA11788@narnia.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 References: <199711281446.JAA28643@bilver.magicnet.net> In-Reply-To: <199711281446.JAA28643@bilver.magicnet.net> From: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE X-Original-Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.isp To: Bill Vermillion cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199711281446.JAA28643@bilver.magicnet.net>, Bill Vermillion writes: > > When I need the multiples busses like the 3940 - I'd go with the > DPT. But I've never anything but BL in the 3 or 4 FreeBSD boxes > I've used. The problem with using Buslogic cards is not the hardware, but the driver support. So long as our Buslogic driver does not support tagged command queuing, the Buslogic cards will never perform as well as the Adaptec or Symbios cards. > Good cables are a must. However .5m cables (if you have multiple > targets) is definately not SCSI spec, which is .3m between targets > and .1m stub. People missunderstand the SCSI spec all of the time. In part this is because this section is poorly written. The main thing to come out of the stub/device spacing requirement is the minimum 3 to 1 ratio. For internal cabling configurations, your stub length is determined by the PCB tracings on the drive's electronic board which is typically less than .05m. This means you can actually cluster devices fairly close together. Even more important than device spacing length is spacing consistency, having devices and cables with similar loads, termination, and overall cable length. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 12:29:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA06601 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:29:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06595 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@mindbender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02302; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:28:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711282028.MAA02302@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: dg@root.com cc: jack , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 28 Nov 97 12:06:42 -0800. <199711282006.MAA19602@implode.root.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:28:55 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>The trick, I think, is to have the last wide and the last narrow devices >>terminated. On the controller do not terminate the narrow but do >>terminate the wide. Works out something like this: >> >> >>W---------------C >>I O >>D N >>E---------------T >>N---------------r-------N >>A o A >>R l R >>R---------------r-------R >> >>Note that you can only use two of internal narrow, internal wide, and >>external. Using all three results in a 'Y' effect on the narrow side of >>the scsi chain. > That would terminate the narrow portion in the middle of the cable for one >end of the termination. Termination needs to be at the physical end of the >cable in order for it to work correctly. For people who need to put a narrow >drive on a wide SCSI bus, there are available special wide->narrow converters >that provide termination for the upper data bits - they're quite a bit more >expensive, however. I can't speak for other controllers, but both the BT94[68] and the Adaptec 2940(U|UW) allow you to specify the lower and upper byte termination separately. Meaning, in this diagram, you could disable lower byte termination on the card, and enable upper byte. That would properly terminate this scenario. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 12:48:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA07823 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:48:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ganymede.bloomington.nsisw.com (usrtc1-51.kiva.net [208.143.10.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07807 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chiuk@cs.indiana.edu) Received: from ken by ganymede.bloomington.nsisw.com with local (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0xbXJX-0004qW-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:47:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:47:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Chiu Reply-To: chiuk@cs.indiana.edu To: Cliff Addy cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is from the card utiltiies. Hit Control-A during boot-up. On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Cliff Addy wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Kenneth Chiu wrote: > > > Turn on SCAM. I don't know why, but it seems to work. > > Is this done in FreeBSD or from the Adaptec card utilities? > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 13:55:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA11433 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11420 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:55:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deischen@iworks.interworks.org) Received: (from deischen@localhost) by iworks.InterWorks.org (8.7.5/) id PAA27779; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:58:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711282158.PAA27779@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:58:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: dg@root.com Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, jeff@mercury.jorsm.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >The servers we have that keep blowing up have only a single internal DAT > >on the narrow bus and a single internal UW HDD on the wide bus. It most > >common for a tape error to lock up the machine, but they also lock up > >with the same symptoms when no backups are being done. > > Hmmm...Do you have a narrow->wide converter than has termination for the > upper (wide) data bits? I had a lot of problems here with using a narrow > drive on a wide controller until Justin pointed out that the upper bits have > to be terminated. I fixed the problem by putting a wide device at the end > of the same cable that the narrow device was on (thus providing full wide > termination). Or perhaps using the DAT drive to terminate the bus? Especially when running at Ultra SCSI speeds, it is essential to have proper (active) termination. Using the passive termination of a DAT or CD-ROM drive just doesn't cut it. FWIW, I couldn't even install FreeBSD with this kind of set up; I had to use an inline active terminator. I've also been recommending that people having these problems try disabling auto-termination in Adaptec BIOS and setting it manually. Justin would know better, but I think there could be a bug in the cable-detection algorithm when auto-termination is enabled. At least with the Linux aic7xxx driver, I've seen the cables improperly detected. Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 14:00:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA11607 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11599 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01359; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:59:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:59:54 -0500 (EST) From: jack X-Sender: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199711282006.MAA19602@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, David Greenman wrote: > That would terminate the narrow portion in the middle of the cable for one > end of the termination. Termination needs to be at the physical end of the > cable in order for it to work correctly. For people who need to put a narrow > drive on a wide SCSI bus, there are available special wide->narrow converters > that provide termination for the upper data bits - they're quite a bit more > expensive, however. I use two cables, a narrow on the narrow connector and a wide on the wide. The ends of each cable becomes the end of the narrow chain, with the controller in the middle, and the high bit end of the wide and the controller form the ends of the wide. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 28 21:58:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA06804 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:58:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (qmailr@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA06799 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@calyx.net) Received: (qmail 7166 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 05:58:35 -0000 Received: from kwesi.calyx.net (208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 05:58:35 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971129004645.0076d378@calyx.net> X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:46:45 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Nicholas Merrill Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE : Update Motherboard BIOS? In-Reply-To: <199711282158.PAA27779@iworks.InterWorks.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All.. Regarding this thread - I was looking if there was a new BIOS out for one of my motherboards, an ASUS P/I P55T2P4, and I found this comment in the comments for one of the updates: If anyone has this motherboard in one of their machines, they should have a look at the ASUS page and get a new version of the BIOS.. t25i0204.zip P/I-P55T2P4, P/I-XP55T2P4 BIOS ver. 0204 09/02/97 Before downloading the update, please read this. Update comments: Fix Showing Garbage if LS120 Only Fix some model of TEAC CDROM (model is CD-524E) boot fail Fix NumLock LED status incorrect after warm-boot if "NumLED=OFF" in setup. Fix Himem.sys Error because Memory hole is enabled accidently. Fix floopy can't boot with master cards on new kernal. Fix SCSI HDD may install OS Failed. Support PS/2 Always Enable in setup for IBM touch screen monitor. Fix AHA2940UW bootup hangs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fix can't format ZIP 100MB diskette Fix can't format 120MB diskette in WIN95-OSR2 when insert 720KB or 1.44MB diskette in drive before WIN95 boot Fix can't format 120MB diskette in WIN95-OSR2 when dirve A is 1.44MB standard Floppy and drive B is LS120 drive Support IOMEG ZIP 100 boot. Fix CDROM boot fail if system is SCO and emulate to floppy Fix DOS6.22 fdisk.exe size not match with WIN95 OS-R2 Fix Quantum 12GB drive detect as 8GB. Fix SCO OS bootable CDROM for install error Add USB keyboard 102-Key support. Add PCI IRQ set force to IRQ5/IRQ7 for PCI sound card. Fix PCI Slot1 & Slot4 set to same IRQ if Slot1 is forced. Regards Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 917-381-0500 Voice: 212-292-7325 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 13-17 Laight St. NYC, NY 10013 Email: nick@calyx.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 29 07:48:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA06149 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:48:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gwis.com (droberts@darcy.gwis.com [209.57.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA06144 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from droberts@gwis.com) Received: from localhost (droberts@localhost) by gwis.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA29006; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:48:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Roberts To: "Gary D. Margiotta" cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Racks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > Quick question: > > Anyone have any recommendations for a decent rack? I am looking for a Definitely Chatsworth, it's all we use. They're a california firm, number is 818-882-8595 and have an online catalog at www.chatsworth.com. -- Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services sysadmin/ircadmin, barovia.oh.us.dal.net for Internet access in NE Ohio http://barovia.dal.net - Strahd on DALnet http://www.gwis.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 29 09:05:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09070 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:05:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09058 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA27804; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:05:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:05:11 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Cliff Addy cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 and FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Cliff Addy wrote: > On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Jeff Lynch wrote: > > > The only problems I've had with 2940UWs on fbsd2.1.5-2.2.1 have occurred > > when we mix wide/narrow devices on the host adapter or attach a narrow > > (of course) external tape drive. Leaving the bus all wide or all narrow > > and all internal has never given us problems. > > The servers we have that keep blowing up have only a single internal DAT > on the narrow bus and a single internal UW HDD on the wide bus. It most > common for a tape error to lock up the machine, but they also lock up > with the same symptoms when no backups are being done. I assume you have checked your terminations. In this case, Adapter = Low Off, High On Tape = Low On, High N/A Drive = Low On, High On ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com