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I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.2 on a Twinhead 9133TZ notebook PC w/ the
folloing configuration:

Pentium 133/16M Memory/1.3G HD

12.1" TFT Display (Supports 800x600 at 60Hz non-interlaced)
Trident Cyber 9385 card (2M memory)

I also have a NE-2000 compatible PCMCIA card inserted into slot 1 into
the PCMCIA dock. This dock has a Cirrus Logic PCMCIA controller
built-in.

The poblem I encountered are:

1. I could not make the PCMCIA recognized by FreeBSD. I reconfigured the
kernel to include the PCCARD controllers and devices according the LINT
config template. I also added the ed0 driver. It complains that
"/dev/card0 not configured." when I run the "pccardc" command. BTW, this
PCMCIA card really works fine under Win95. If changing the card may
overcome this problem, I have a D-Link DE650 PCMCIA ethernet card at
hand.

2. I have installed the XFree86 3.3.1 on my notebook. It runs good under
the VGA16 mode when I set the following config:

Video: VGA
Chipset: Generic
Card: Unsupported VGA
Monitor: Standard 640x480
H-Refresh: 35.4
V-Refresh: 50-90

If I set the chipset to cyber938x, the screen gets a very low resolution
with big dots.

I tried the following configuration too:

Video: SVGA
Chipset: cyber938x
Card: Trident TGUI9680 (generic)
Monitor: Extended Super VGA (800x600 at 60Hz ...)
H-Refresh: 31.5,35.4,...
V-Refresh: 50-130

An what I got was a black screen after the "startx" command. But when I
tried to switch between ttyv9 (graphic) and other ttys using the
"CTL-ALT-F?" key combinations, I could see the xterm and xclock windows
for a very short time (about 0.1 sec) and the screen went black again.

I have read all the on-line documents, readmes and tried almost anything
I could think out of.

Could anybody give me some hints on these strange stuff? Or is FreeBSD
is not so good as other free UNIX clones like Linux ? Your happy or bad
experiences with FreeBSD on a notebook are also highly welcomed.

Thank you in advance.



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Yong Liu wrote:

> Subject: Notebook Problem
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:28:49 +0800
> From: Yong Liu <yongliu@public.bta.net.cn>
> Organization: Unisoft Technology Co. Ltd.
> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
>
> I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.2 on a Twinhead 9133TZ notebook PC w/ the
> folloing configuration:
>
> Pentium 133/16M Memory/1.3G HD
>
> 12.1" TFT Display (Supports 800x600 at 60Hz non-interlaced)
> Trident Cyber 9385 card (2M memory)
>
> I also have a NE-2000 compatible PCMCIA card inserted into slot 1 into
> the PCMCIA dock. This dock has a Cirrus Logic PCMCIA controller
> built-in.
>
> The poblem I encountered are:
>
> 1. I could not make the PCMCIA recognized by FreeBSD. I reconfigured the
> kernel to include the PCCARD controllers and devices according the LINT
> config template. I also added the ed0 driver. It complains that
> "/dev/card0 not configured." when I run the "pccardc" command. BTW, this
> PCMCIA card really works fine under Win95. If changing the card may
> overcome this problem, I have a D-Link DE650 PCMCIA ethernet card at
> hand.
>
> 2. I have installed the XFree86 3.3.1 on my notebook. It runs good under
> the VGA16 mode when I set the following config:
>
> Video: VGA
> Chipset: Generic
> Card: Unsupported VGA
> Monitor: Standard 640x480
> H-Refresh: 35.4
> V-Refresh: 50-90
>
> If I set the chipset to cyber938x, the screen gets a very low resolution
> with big dots.
>
> I tried the following configuration too:
>
> Video: SVGA
> Chipset: cyber938x
> Card: Trident TGUI9680 (generic)
> Monitor: Extended Super VGA (800x600 at 60Hz ...)
> H-Refresh: 31.5,35.4,...
> V-Refresh: 50-130
>

I'd a simlar problem with my ThinkPad 760EL, do you have the extend VGA to
fullscreen option set? If so try disabling it - it worked for me!

> An what I got was a black screen after the "startx" command. But when I
> tried to switch between ttyv9 (graphic) and other ttys using the
> "CTL-ALT-F?" key combinations, I could see the xterm and xclock windows
> for a very short time (about 0.1 sec) and the screen went black again.
>
> I have read all the on-line documents, readmes and tried almost anything
> I could think out of.
>
> Could anybody give me some hints on these strange stuff? Or is FreeBSD
> is not so good as other free UNIX clones like Linux ? Your happy or bad
> experiences with FreeBSD on a notebook are also highly welcomed.
>

On my ThinkPad 760EL it works great with 2.2.1 and PAO. Allmost everything
besides my token-ring PCCARD works.

> Thank you in advance.

WYL
Jan Henrik Radl


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>>>>> "Yong" == Yong Liu <yongliu@public.bta.net.cn> writes:

[..]
Yong> The poblem I encountered are:

Yong> 1. I could not make the PCMCIA recognized by FreeBSD. I reconfigured the
Yong> kernel to include the PCCARD controllers and devices according the LINT
Yong> config template. I also added the ed0 driver. It complains that
Yong> "/dev/card0 not configured." when I run the "pccardc" command. BTW, this
Yong> PCMCIA card really works fine under Win95. If changing the card may
Yong> overcome this problem, I have a D-Link DE650 PCMCIA ethernet card at
Yong> hand.

Try 'dmesg'. What does it say about pcic at boot?

Yong> Could anybody give me some hints on these strange stuff? Or is FreeBSD
Yong> is not so good as other free UNIX clones like Linux ? Your happy or bad
Yong> experiences with FreeBSD on a notebook are also highly welcomed.

I use FreeBSD 2.2.1 on a Toshiba Portege 610CT with a D-Link 650 and a
Megahertz i3288 and am quite happy with it. There is an occasional
rough edge, but much less so than on some commercial unices I have had
to use and/or administrate.

You cannot quite compare it to Linux. You could compare it to a
particular Linux distribution. Some distributions move towards the RPM
packaging format, which I dislike because it makes it necessary to use
specific rpm-tools to handle these packages: you can not easily use
these RPM packages with standard unix tools. I found this very
annoying, when I tried to unpack some files from a package without
installing an rpm database on my system. Obviously, if you install a
distribution that uses rpm and you do your standard tasks with it, you
will not encounter this. Still, I think the FreeBSD packaging is much
more elegant since it uses standard tools in a transparent way. This
is an impression that I often find supported when looking at how
some functionality is achieved in FreeBSD.


Marko


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Marko,

Thank you for your hints. Here is the output of 'dmesg'. Could you
please give me your
kernel configuration under the /sys/i386/config/ directory ?

It seems that FreeBSD has recognized the PCMCIA controller. (Am I right
?) BTW, when running 
Windows NT 3.51 on my notebook, it says there's a PCMCIA-PCI bridge
controller found. When I
run 'pccardc pcmcis', it says '0 Slots found'.

Regards.

Yong Liu

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FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Aug 28 03:09:30 CST 1997
    root@monet.lab.unisoft.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MONET
CPU: Pentium (133.22-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x52c  Stepping=12
  Features=0x1bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8>
real memory  = 16777216 (16384K bytes)
avail memory = 14684160 (14340K bytes)
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0 <SiS 85c501> rev 0 on pci0:0
chip1 <SiS 85c503> rev 1 on pci0:1:0
chip2 <SiS 85c601> rev 1 int a irq 14 on pci0:1:1
vga0 <VGA-compatible display device> rev 211 int a irq ?? on pci0:17
chip3 <generic PCI bridge (vendor=1013 device=1100 subclass=5)> rev 254
int a irq ?? on pci0:19
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard
sc0: VGA color <10 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
pccard driver ed added
ed0 not found at 0x280
Driver ed already loaded
ed1 not found at 0x300
pccard driver sio added
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 10 on isa
sio2: type 16550A
sio3: disabled, not probed.
lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
lp0: TCP/IP capable interface
lpt1: disabled, not probed.
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: NEC 72065B
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <ST91350AG>
wd0: 1287MB (2636928 sectors), 2616 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa
wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): <TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1502B/2696>, removable, accel,
dma, iordy
wcd0: 1722Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable
tray
wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked
npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
apm0: disabled, not probed.
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> 
> It seems that FreeBSD has recognized the PCMCIA controller. (Am I right
> ?)

No, there is no PCCARD controller in the list you gave.  You should 
have the following in your kernel configuration :

# PCCARD (PCMCIA) support
controller      crd0
device          pcic0   at crd?
device          pcic1   at crd?

mike



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> > It seems that FreeBSD has recognized the PCMCIA controller. (Am I right
> > ?)
> 
> No, there is no PCCARD controller in the list you gave.  You should 
> have the following in your kernel configuration :
> 
> # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support
> controller      crd0
> device          pcic0   at crd?
> device          pcic1   at crd?

I suspect the controller line is in the config file, it's just not
recognized since it's a CardBus machine.  PAO has some funky patches
that do recognize the controller, although they are architecturally
weak.





Nate

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According to the Linux people, this is due to a compatibility issue
between XFree86 and DPMS (e.g. Advanced Power Management (APM) feature
that shuts down power to the display screen).

Upgrading to XFree86-3.3.1 (available now at ftp://ftp.Xfree86.org/), or
disabling display blanking in your APM BIOS should solve the problem.


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Hi,
   we are having trouble getting the PAO package to work with
our Acernote Light P100. Current status:

FreeBSD: 2.2.2 RELEASE#0
Installed PAO-970616 by hand, following the 10 steps in the README.

Both the kernel and pccardd detect cards being inserted, 
removed from both slots, with slightly different results (output at
end of this message).

We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our
/etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?).

We wish to get 2 cards working - an SMC EtherEZ 8020BT ethernet card
and a Netcomm (Australian) modem card.

Current kernel messages (via dmesg):
(I cut out some irrelevant bits)

We notice that we do not seem to have eg: "pccard driver ed added"
which Yong Liu reports.

Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
	The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.

FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 13 21:58:50 EST 1997
    root@wing-yee.Makefile.ORG:/usr/src/sys/compile/NERVE
Calibrating clock(s) ... i586 clock: 100230399 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193221 Hz
CPU: Pentium (100.23-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x570  Stepping=0
  Features=0x1bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8>
real memory  = 16777216 (16384K bytes)
avail memory = 14716928 (14372K bytes)
Initializing PC-card drivers: ed ep fe sn wlp sio wdc 
pcibus_setup(1):	mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000
pcibus_setup(1a):	mode1res=0x00000001 (0x80000000)
pcibus_check:	device 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 -- nothing found
pcibus_setup(1b):	mode1res=0x80000000 (0xff000001)
pcibus_check:	device 0 is there (id=151110b9)
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
	configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices.
chip0 <generic PCI bridge (vendor=10b9 device=1511 subclass=0)> rev 4 on pci0:0
chip1 <generic PCI bridge (vendor=10b9 device=1513 subclass=1)> rev 164 on pci0:2
vga0 <VGA-compatible display device> rev 0 on pci0:6
pci0:8:    ACER Labs, device=0x5215, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned]
	map(10): io(01f0)
	map(14): io(03f4)
pci0: uses 8388608 bytes of memory from fe000000 upto fe7fffff.
pci0: uses 1024 bytes of I/O space from fc00 upto ffff.
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
ed0 not found at 0x280
ed1 not found at 0x300
fe0 not found at 0x300
fe1 not found at 0x300
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 not found at 0x2f8
sio2 not found at 0x3e8
lpt0 at 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
lp0: TCP/IP capable interface
psm0: current command byte:0065
psm0: status after reset 00 02 64
psm: status 00 00 64 (get_mouse_buttons)
psm0: status 00 02 64
psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard
psm0: device ID 0, 2 buttons
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: NEC 72065B
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <HITACHI_DK223A-81>
wd0: 775MB (1587600 sectors), 1575 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
ep0 not found at 0x300
ep1 not found at 0x300
sn0 not found at 0x300
sn1 not found at 0x300
wlp0 not found at 0x300
wlp0: disabled, not probed.
npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
apm0: disabled, not probed.
imasks: bio c0004040, tty c0031092, net c0020000
PC-Card Cirrus Logic PD672X (5 mem & 2 I/O windows)
pcic: controller irq 3
Device configuration finished.
configure() finished.
Card inserted, slot 0

Results of inserting & removing the 2 cards in slots 0 & 1:

Slot 0:
(Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card inserted: )

Sep  3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
Sep  3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
Sep  3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
Sep  3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
# pccardc dumpcis
Configuration data for card in slot 0
Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0
2 slots found

(Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card removed: )

# Sep  3 10:59:37 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 0
Sep  3 10:59:37 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 0

(SMC Ether EZ Ethernet card inserted: )

Sep  3 10:59:48 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
Sep  3 10:59:48 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
Sep  3 10:59:51 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
Sep  3 10:59:51 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
# pccardc dumpcis
Configuration data for card in slot 0
Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0
2 slots found

Slot 1:
(Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card inserted: )

Sep  3 10:51:15 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1
Sep  3 10:51:15 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1
Sep  3 10:51:19 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
Sep  3 10:51:19 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
# pccardc dumpcis
Configuration data for card in slot 1
2 slots found

(Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card removed: )

# Sep  3 10:52:51 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 1
Sep  3 10:52:51 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 1

(SMC Ether EZ Ethernet card inserted: )

Sep  3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1
Sep  3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1
Sep  3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
Sep  3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
# pccardc dumpcis
Code 51 not found
Code 51 not found
code Unknown ignored
(this gets repeated 20 times, followed by: )
Configuration data for card in slot 1
Tuple #1, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 51
    000:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
    010:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
    020:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
    030:  33 33 33
(also repeated for Tuple #2,...,#20)
2 slots found

any suggestions ?

thanks,

Ian Wood.

wood@elec.uq.edu.au

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>    we are having trouble getting the PAO package to work with
> our Acernote Light P100. Current status:

Previous experience with Acer notebooks indicates that they aren't 
always the easiest to work with.  The last one I had my head inside had 
an Omega Micro PCIC.  Omega are now owned by Trident, but there didn't 
appear to be any documentation available on the part in question.

> Both the kernel and pccardd detect cards being inserted, 
> removed from both slots, with slightly different results (output at
> end of this message).

This looks promising.

> We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our
> /etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?).

Are you in a position to add/enable extra debugging in the pcic support 
code?

> PC-Card Cirrus Logic PD672X (5 mem & 2 I/O windows)

OK, so it looks something like a "normal" pcic.

> # pccardc dumpcis
> Configuration data for card in slot 0
> Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0
> 2 slots found

It looks like there's nothing there; either the CIS reading technique 
isn't working, or the pcic in question isn't compatible.  Is this 
system a mixed pcic/CardBus system?  If so, which mode is it in?

> (SMC Ether EZ Ethernet card inserted: )
> 
> Sep  3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1
> Sep  3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1
> Sep  3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
> Sep  3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
> # pccardc dumpcis
> Code 51 not found
> Code 51 not found
> code Unknown ignored
> (this gets repeated 20 times, followed by: )
> Configuration data for card in slot 1
> Tuple #1, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 51
>     000:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
>     010:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
>     020:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
>     030:  33 33 33
> (also repeated for Tuple #2,...,#20)
> 2 slots found

That's a bit weirder, but still basically means that it's not reading 
the CIS in any useful fashion...

mike



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> FreeBSD: 2.2.2 RELEASE#0
> Installed PAO-970616 by hand, following the 10 steps in the README.

So far so good.

> We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our
> /etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?).

Did you do a pccardc dumpcis as mentioned in the PAO README/FAQ?  Also,
what does /etc/pccard.conf look like?  Is pccardd running?

> We notice that we do not seem to have eg: "pccard driver ed added"
> which Yong Liu reports.

I think it's changed in the PAO code.

> Slot 0:
> (Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card inserted: )
> 
> Sep  3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
> Sep  3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
> Sep  3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")
> Sep  3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")

Obviously pccardd is running, so that's one theory shot down.

> # pccardc dumpcis
> Configuration data for card in slot 0
> Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0
> 2 slots found

That's it?  That is all of the data you get back?  Something is
definitely hosed up, either in the bits supporting your controller (I
suspect), or in the computer.  I very much doubt the latter.

> # pccardc dumpcis
> Code 51 not found
> Code 51 not found
> code Unknown ignored
> (this gets repeated 20 times, followed by: )
> Configuration data for card in slot 1
> Tuple #1, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 51
>     000:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
>     010:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
>     020:  33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
>     030:  33 33 33
> (also repeated for Tuple #2,...,#20)
> 2 slots found
> 
> any suggestions ?

Use Linux?  (I hate saying that, but so far no champion has been found,
although I have it on good faith that resources are being allocated for
one.)



Nate

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On Wed, Sep 03, 1997 at 10:16:22AM +1000, Ian Wood wrote:
> Hi,
>    we are having trouble getting the PAO package to work with
> our Acernote Light P100.

My sympathies.  I went through this last December.

> Current status:
>
> FreeBSD: 2.2.2 RELEASE#0
> Installed PAO-970616 by hand, following the 10 steps in the README.
>
> Both the kernel and pccardd detect cards being inserted,
> removed from both slots, with slightly different results (output at
> end of this message).
>
> We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our
> /etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?).

This looks like the problem I had.

> We wish to get 2 cards working - an SMC EtherEZ 8020BT ethernet card
> and a Netcomm (Australian) modem card.
>
> Current kernel messages (via dmesg):
> (I cut out some irrelevant bits)
>
> We notice that we do not seem to have eg: "pccard driver ed added"
> which Yong Liu reports.
>
> Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc.
> Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
> 	The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.
>
> FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 13 21:58:50 EST 1997
>     root@wing-yee.Makefile.ORG:/usr/src/sys/compile/NERVE
> Calibrating clock(s) ... i586 clock: 100230399 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193221 Hz
> CPU: Pentium (100.23-MHz 586-class CPU)
>   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x570  Stepping=0
>   Features=0x1bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8>
> real memory  = 16777216 (16384K bytes)
> avail memory = 14716928 (14372K bytes)
> Initializing PC-card drivers: ed ep fe sn wlp sio wdc
> pcibus_setup(1):	mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000
> pcibus_setup(1a):	mode1res=0x00000001 (0x80000000)
> pcibus_check:	device 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 -- nothing found
> pcibus_setup(1b):	mode1res=0x80000000 (0xff000001)
> pcibus_check:	device 0 is there (id=151110b9)
> Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
> 	configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices.
> chip0 <generic PCI bridge (vendor=10b9 device=1511 subclass=0)> rev 4 on pci0:0
> chip1 <generic PCI bridge (vendor=10b9 device=1513 subclass=1)> rev 164 on pci0:2

These two are the same as on my machine:

chip0 <generic PCI bridge (vendor=10b9 device=1511 subclass=0)> rev 4 on pci0:0
chip1 <generic PCI bridge (vendor=10b9 device=1513 subclass=1)> rev 164 on pci0:2

> vga0 <VGA-compatible display device> rev 0 on pci0:6
> pci0:8:    ACER Labs, device=0x5215, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned]

pci0:8:    ACER Labs, device=0x5215, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned]

> 	map(10): io(01f0)
> 	map(14): io(03f4)
> pci0: uses 8388608 bytes of memory from fe000000 upto fe7fffff.
> pci0: uses 1024 bytes of I/O space from fc00 upto ffff.
> Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
> sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
> ed0 not found at 0x280
> ed1 not found at 0x300
> fe0 not found at 0x300
> fe1 not found at 0x300
> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa
> sio0: type 16550A
> sio1 not found at 0x2f8
> sio2 not found at 0x3e8
> lpt0 at 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa
> lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> lp0: TCP/IP capable interface
> psm0: current command byte:0065
> psm0: status after reset 00 02 64
> psm: status 00 00 64 (get_mouse_buttons)
> psm0: status 00 02 64
> psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard
> psm0: device ID 0, 2 buttons
> fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
> fdc0: NEC 72065B
> fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
> wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa
> wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <HITACHI_DK223A-81>
> wd0: 775MB (1587600 sectors), 1575 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S

wd0: 516MB (1058400 sectors), 1050 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S

> ep0 not found at 0x300
> ep1 not found at 0x300
> sn0 not found at 0x300
> sn1 not found at 0x300
> wlp0 not found at 0x300
> wlp0: disabled, not probed.
> npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard
> npx0: INT 16 interface
> apm0: disabled, not probed.
> imasks: bio c0004040, tty c0031092, net c0020000
> PC-Card Cirrus Logic PD672X (5 mem & 2 I/O windows)
> pcic: controller irq 3
> Device configuration finished.
> configure() finished.
> Card inserted, slot 0

This looks like pretty much the same machine.  I haven't included
comparisons of the other messages, because I'm running a 3.0-CURRENT
kernel as of last December, and without PCCARD support.

I went through a lot of trouble with this box when I bought it, and
finally established that the bridge is not supported.  On the other
hand, the only PCMCIA card I wanted to use was the 3Com 3C589C, and it
turned out that the standard 3.0-CURRENT kernel recognized it, so
that's what I'm using.  I suppose you could try the same and hope that
it recognizes both of your devices.

Greg

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I've _finally_ gotten X to work on my Thinkpad 760EL, however I've been
having problems with 16bpp mode.  As it only has 1mb of video ram, I cannot
use XAA with it in 16bpp mode.

As such, in 16bpp mode, all pixels are double-width, and the screen
only displays the left hand side of the display.  Vertical pixels are unaltered
- as such all objects are distorted.

The machine uses Trident's Cyber9320 chipset and has a TFT screen.

Has anyone else suffered such problems?

Ada

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 Basically the Trident chipset support for laptops is incomplete.

We need someone to volunteer and fix these outstanding bugs.

Alan.

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Date: 03 September 1997 11:53
Subject: half-width displays



>I've _finally_ gotten X to work on my Thinkpad 760EL, however I've been
>having problems with 16bpp mode.  As it only has 1mb of video ram, I cannot
>use XAA with it in 16bpp mode.
>
>As such, in 16bpp mode, all pixels are double-width, and the screen
>only displays the left hand side of the display.  Vertical pixels are
unaltered
>- as such all objects are distorted.
>
>The machine uses Trident's Cyber9320 chipset and has a TFT screen.
>
>Has anyone else suffered such problems?
>
>Ada


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> I've _finally_ gotten X to work on my Thinkpad 760EL, however I've been
> having problems with 16bpp mode.  As it only has 1mb of video ram, I cannot
> use XAA with it in 16bpp mode.
> 
> As such, in 16bpp mode, all pixels are double-width, and the screen
> only displays the left hand side of the display.  Vertical pixels are unaltered
> - as such all objects are distorted.
> 
> The machine uses Trident's Cyber9320 chipset and has a TFT screen.
> 
> Has anyone else suffered such problems?

I had similar problems with the C&T 65554 chipset in my Toshiba with 
the "screen stretch" BIOS option turned on.  Turning this off made XF86 
much happier.

mike



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> I had similar problems with the C&T 65554 chipset in my Toshiba with 
> the "screen stretch" BIOS option turned on.  Turning this off made XF86 
> much happier.
hmm, that doesn't help much.

One thing I notice is that it insists on using the tgui96xx chipset
driver even though I have a line in /etc/XF86Config saying

      Chipset      "cyber938x"


Ada

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re: AcerNote Light - attempt to use with PAO

Thankyou all for the quick and useful replies.

I have had another go at it, but haven't got it working.

Replying to Mike:
> Are you in a position to add/enable extra debugging in the pcic support 
code?

If you mean writing code - no I'm not up to it, unfortunately.

As for enabling more debugging - I don't know how to.
I had a look through /usr/src/sys/pccard/pcic.c and found
a verbose boot message for CardBus systems.
My kernel doesn't produce it, so it probably isn't a CardBus
system. I was pretty sure of this already since Windows '95
(which I have on another partition) identifies it as
a "Cirrus Logic PCIC compatible PCMCIA controller".
I guess this answers your other question.

Replying to Nate:

I was quite surprised to see you suggest Linux, but that would
probably work almost as well for me. I have tried RedHat 4.2 &
Slackware disks (including a specific PCMCIA disk) and they didn't
work immediately, but they recognised both cards, beeped & tried 
to load specific drivers, and might work with a full installation
and some care. I expect that's what I'll have to do.

Replying to Greg:

I had already seen a number of your messages after searching the
archives, but since you had a 3Com 3C589C (and I don't), they 
didn't inspire much hope in me.

I tried the newest 3.0-SNAP boot disk and was initially amazed to 
see my cards CIS data read by both ze0 and zp0.
kernel reports:
ze: pcmcia slot 0: NetComm Ltd~CardModem336~ ~ ~
ze: pcmcia slot 1: SMC~EtherEZ Ethernet 8020~V1.00~~
ze0 not found at 0x300

Same messages for zp0.

After a while I realised that ze0 & zp0 are not compatible with PAO,
and since they did not find the cards sufficiently well by themselves
3.0 without PAO won't work either.

This may prove something about the availability of the CIS data
on this machine though ?

If anyone knows how to force pccardd to use a particular card
configuration, regardless of what CIS data it reads, please let
me know.

thanks,

Ian Wood.

wood@elec.uq.edu.au

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Nate Williams wrote:
> 
> > You are right. I have these lines in my kernel configuration file
> > already. I have noticed in the list generated by 'dmesg' a line labeled
> > "chip3 ... generic PCI bridge".
> 
> Yep, that's the PCI version of PCMCIA (aka. CardBus).
> 
> > So, what does PAO mean ? How can I get the stuff ?
> 
> Check out: "http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO/"
> 
> Nate

Thank you for your help. I have succeeded with my PCMCIA ! Just in case
somebody might run into similar problems, I am happy to share my
experience with them.

Summary of My naughty notebook:

Manuf:	Twinhead (Taiwan)
Model:	Slimnote-9133TZ ( code name: Monet )
CPU:	133M Pentium
Mem:	16M
HD:	1.2G
PCMCIA Controller:	CardBus (Cirrus Logic DP674x)
Modem:	Built-in 33.6K ( PORT:0x3e8, IRQ: 10)
Display: 12.1 TFT (800x600)
Graphic: Trident cyber 9385 (2M vmem w/ mpeg decoding)

Ethernet cards: (successfully tested)

	Manuf:		Model:		Driver:
	Unknown:	=RELIA==	ed0
	D-link:		DE-650		ed0

-- Yong Liu

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I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out
of town.  My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office
network using PPP and access my e-mail.  I want to run X11 on it, and
I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least
800x600.  I need it to have an ethernet interface too, for when I'm
at home.  I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia.
(If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or
beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.)  Battery life isn't too important
since I envision using the machine from a hotel room most of the time.
Price is less important to me than getting the features I want.

I searched through the mailing list archives, but found very few
reports of 1024x768 success.  I'd appreciate some recommendations for
machines that will work well at that resolution, if there are any.
Also, is the hi-res laptop support generally better in the Xaccel
server than in XFree86?

Thanks for whatever advice you can offer.

John
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On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 08:05:56PM +1000, Ian Wood wrote:
> re: AcerNote Light - attempt to use with PAO
>
> Thankyou all for the quick and useful replies.
>
> I have had another go at it, but haven't got it working.
>
> Replying to Mike:
>> Are you in a position to add/enable extra debugging in the pcic support
> code?
>
> If you mean writing code - no I'm not up to it, unfortunately.
>
> As for enabling more debugging - I don't know how to.
> I had a look through /usr/src/sys/pccard/pcic.c and found
> a verbose boot message for CardBus systems.
> My kernel doesn't produce it, so it probably isn't a CardBus
> system. I was pretty sure of this already since Windows '95
> (which I have on another partition) identifies it as
> a "Cirrus Logic PCIC compatible PCMCIA controller".
> I guess this answers your other question.

Yes, this isn't a CardBus system.

> Replying to Greg:
>
> I had already seen a number of your messages after searching the
> archives, but since you had a 3Com 3C589C (and I don't), they
> didn't inspire much hope in me.

That doesn't exactly make things better, but it's not a reason to
abandon hope either.

> I tried the newest 3.0-SNAP boot disk and was initially amazed to
> see my cards CIS data read by both ze0 and zp0.
> kernel reports:
> ze: pcmcia slot 0: NetComm Ltd~CardModem336~ ~ ~
> ze: pcmcia slot 1: SMC~EtherEZ Ethernet 8020~V1.00~~
> ze0 not found at 0x300
>
> Same messages for zp0.

This is progress, anyway.

> After a while I realised that ze0 & zp0 are not compatible with PAO,

I don't understand.  Don't they work at all with PAO?  Can anybody
else confirm?

> and since they did not find the cards sufficiently well by themselves
> 3.0 without PAO won't work either.
>
> This may prove something about the availability of the CIS data
> on this machine though ?

I think it shows that the software can detect your board, but it's not
really happy with it.  Which driver is correct for the SMC board?  How
about building a kernel with support just for this board, and at the
I/O address that the board is set to?  You may find PLIP invaluable in
this phase, BTW :-)

Greg

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On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 08:36:00AM -0700, John Polstra wrote:
> I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out
> of town.  My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office
> network using PPP and access my e-mail.  I want to run X11 on it, and
> I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least
> 800x600.  I need it to have an ethernet interface too, for when I'm
> at home.  I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia.
> (If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or
> beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.)  Battery life isn't too important
> since I envision using the machine from a hotel room most of the time.
> Price is less important to me than getting the features I want.
>
> I searched through the mailing list archives, but found very few
> reports of 1024x768 success.  I'd appreciate some recommendations for
> machines that will work well at that resolution, if there are any.

I'm using 1024x768 on my AcerNote Lite (the one which had problems
with PAO) with no problems at all.  I find that simultaneous display
both on the LCD and a monitor doesn't work, but then, the LCD only
does 640x480 anyway.

> Also, is the hi-res laptop support generally better in the Xaccel
> server than in XFree86?

I'm using XFree86.  I wouldn't call 1024x768 Hi-Res, anyway.  At home
I run two-headed with XAccel.  One monitor is 1280x1024, the other
1600x1200.  By comparison, 1024x768 looks really low-res.

BTW, a tip for those who, like me, often find themselves in a strange
office removing the peripherals from a Microsloth box to connect to
your laptop: I'm astounded how many monitors out there still can't do
1024x768 non-interlaced.  Most will do it interlaced, however.  I set
the horizontal frequency limit to 36 kHz, and XFree86 does interlace
for me.

Greg

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> I'm using 1024x768 on my AcerNote Lite (the one which had problems
> with PAO) with no problems at all.  I find that simultaneous display
> both on the LCD and a monitor doesn't work, but then, the LCD only
> does 640x480 anyway.

I have a feeling I didn't express my question very well.  What I am
looking for is 1024x768 on the notebook's built-in display, not on
an external monitor.

John

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> > After a while I realised that ze0 & zp0 are not compatible with PAO,
> 
> I don't understand.  Don't they work at all with PAO?  Can anybody
> else confirm?

They are completely different from 'generic' PCCARD support.  PAO
extends the already existing pc-card support that is in FreeBSD, so to
answer your question, no they will not work with the PAO extensions.

> > This may prove something about the availability of the CIS data
> > on this machine though ?
> 
> I think it shows that the software can detect your board, but it's not
> really happy with it.

It appears that the generic pccard support isn't finding your PCIC
controller correctly (the ze/zp drivers don't use the controller in the
same manner).



Nate

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> I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out
> of town.  My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office
> network using PPP and access my e-mail.  I want to run X11 on it, and
> I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least
> 800x600.  I need it to have an ethernet interface too, for when I'm
> at home.  I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia.

I would be inclined to suggest that you should look at the high-end 
Toshiba systems, based on my recent experiences.

Your principal concern will be with the video chipset in use; at least 
the lower-end Toshiba I'm using uses the C&T 65554, which is very well 
supported by the XFree86 people.  Toshiba's current configuration with 
this chip is 2M of video memory, so you can run 1024x768x16bpp, or 
1280x1024x8bpp on an external monitor.

Be extremely wary of anything using the Cirrus chipsets, as they are 
not supported well by XFree86 or by Accelerated-X (eg. Sharp units), or 
anything using the NeoMagic chips (eg. Dell).  Neither of these will 
make you happy.

As for ethernet; either the 3Com 3c589 or an NE2000 clone PCCARD like 
the Accton EN2216 will work just fine.  Get a separate modem (combo 
cards aren't supported) card; prettymuch anything should work just fine.

Having a CD-ROM can be handy sometimes.

> Also, is the hi-res laptop support generally better in the Xaccel
> server than in XFree86?

No, not really.

mike



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In message <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com>, John Polstra writes:
>I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out
>of town.

Hi john!

First decide if it's going to be your primary machine or not, this may
sound weird, but you may soon find that you spend much more time with
your portable that with your stationary machine (Think "bed, beach, garden,
airport, plane, bus, train, office...").  If it's going to be your primary
machine, you may want to choose slightly differently.

Next determine what order your parameters come in:

Weight:

If you carry your machine around in a knapsack all the time, you will
want a light machine.  If you carry it in your car, weight is not 
important.  If weight is important, remember to add the weight of the
powersupply an extra battery and any external devices (floppies, cdroms
&c) you will carry around.

Power:

If you always have an power outlet handy, battery life is not important
if planes are always late for you, it is.  If Battery life is important
make sure that you can charge the batteries while they're not in the
computer (very handy in planes :-)  Batterylife specs should be divided
by two before you even remotely trust them.  Our APM support is not as
capable as that of Win95, and we tend to use the machine more.

RAM:

This one is easy:  Max it out.  The more RAM you have the less you need
your disk, the longer your battery last.

Display:

You seem pretty determined about this one.  Be aware that on an LCD you
can use far smaller fonts than on a CRT.  I run a 5x7 font most of the
time with no problems.  (I cant wait until I can aford a LCD screen
for my desk too :-)  Bigger screens means bigger powerdrain, and they
are more fragile (although they're pretty damn robust these days.  Your
hard disk will croak first I bet).

Hard disk drives:

Make sure that you can swap a bigger one in yourself.  Consider buying
the smallest disk they have, and plug in the biggest you can lay your
hands on.  (IBM, Hitachi and Toshiba are the players in this game).
2.5" disks come in three heights:  1/3", 1/2" and 3/4" (9, 12.7 & 19mm).
The thicker the cheaper per GB, and the more GB you can fit in there.
Current limits are around 1, 3 and 5 GB.

Floppy disk/CDROM drives:

If weight/portability is important, consider getting a machine with
external floppy and CDROM.  My floppy drive is at home all the time,
I never use it.

Keyboard:

It is about the most important thing on the machine, if you can't live
with it, forget it.  Try it out, even the same manufacturer makes many
different keyboards.  The layout of the keys should be examined too.

PcCard/CardBus slots:

Get 2 x size2.  You're unlikely to ever use it for anything but a 
modem and a netcard.  CardBus is vaporware so far.

Pointing gadget:

Consider carefully and try out, if you intend to work "in the field".

Docking ability:

This may be important to you when you're home.

Quality:

If you carry your computer through war-zones a lot, you will want a
sturdy and well made quality.

Modularity:

Some laptops have "bays" where you can stick batteries/disks/cdroms and
so on.  Generally the more openings there are, the more it will fall
apart.  Can be very handy to be able to flip another disk in on short
notice.

Service/Support:

Some are backed by worldwide service organizations (DEC, HP, IBM), others
are all but impossible to get repaired (Carry in service in Singapore...).

Check the magazines, they regularly feature comparisons between 20 or
more different laptops, watch out for warning signs.

Variuos advice, based on experience:

Carry you computer in a knapsack on you back, it takes far less
bangs and shakes there and is generally under the umbrealla if you are.
Never use a shoulder bag, they bump into everything all the time and 
are prime targets for theft in airports.  Nobody steals a knapsack, 
it's likely to contain a weeks worth of laundry :-)  If you travel,
pack your t-shirts around it, it looks like laundry and it protects
against bumps.

Pad the bottom of you bag with soft leather folded 5 or 10 times, or
even use a small sturdy soft leather bag as padding.  This is the 
best protection you can get.  Rubber/foam isn't as good because it's
elastic, you don't want the computer to bounce up and down.

Keep your pccard's connector clean.

If you run of the cirgar-lighter plug in the car, be sure that you 
have a good spike filter on your cable.

Make sure you have a backup method, and stick to it.  Portable disks
live a dangerous life.  If you drive starts making "klONK!" sounds
it is trying to say goodbye to you while it still can.

Make a small DOS partition, there is usually a bunch of weird small 
programs that runs under dos, bios upgrades being just one of these.

Always make sure the hard-drive is level when it runs.  Even a 5 degree
slant from horizontal is deadly for the bearings.

Remember that contact start/stop cycles are very tough on your drive.
It may be better to have it run idle for long periods, rather than have
it start/stop all the time.

If you travel by train or bus, make it a habit to have a small window
where you do a "sleep 2820 ; cat /kernel > /dev/audio" or similar.
(Adjust 2820 to match the ETA at your your destination).

Hope this helps.

Poul-Henning Kamp (Portable BSD user since 386BSD-0.1)

PS:
My current "critter" is a HP800CT, chosen for it's low weight and
HP-quality ruggedness.  It has an 800x600 display on which I'm running
only 16 color mode because XIG Still hasn't fixed the problem in their
driver :-(  Drives are 1/2", I have a 3G Hitachi in there now.  48M RAM,
(you can get 80Mb now), and the cute little HP floppy-mouse (may people
are afraid of this mouse, I've come to love it.  It even works in
trains!)  It has a docking connector, to which you can also connect
a special SCSI cable (the "special" is that the NCR chip is in the 
connector on the cable :-)  Two PCMCIA/CardBus slots. Highly 
recommended.

--
Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."

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On Fri, Sep 05, 1997 at 10:16:50AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com>, John Polstra writes:
>> I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out
>> of town.
>
> Hi john!
>
> First decide if it's going to be your primary machine or not, this may
> sound weird, but you may soon find that you spend much more time with
> your portable that with your stationary machine (Think "bed, beach, garden,
> airport, plane, bus, train, office...").  If it's going to be your primary
> machine, you may want to choose slightly differently.

A very good point.  When I bought my machine last December, I intended
it to be a machine to use when I didn't have any other.  I still don't
use it at home, but I found that it is very convenient to have a
complete environment with me when I'm travelling, and I will now
invariably use it in other people's offices.  As a result, I find it's
underdimensioned for what I want to do.

> Display:
>
> You seem pretty determined about this one.  Be aware that on an LCD you
> can use far smaller fonts than on a CRT.  I run a 5x7 font most of the
> time with no problems.  (I cant wait until I can aford a LCD screen
> for my desk too :-)  Bigger screens means bigger powerdrain, and they
> are more fragile (although they're pretty damn robust these days.  Your
> hard disk will croak first I bet).

I agree with John, though.  The next machine will have at least a
1024x768 display.

> Floppy disk/CDROM drives:
>
> If weight/portability is important, consider getting a machine with
> external floppy and CDROM.  My floppy drive is at home all the time,
> I never use it.

Or interchangeable ones.  But I don't miss a CD-ROM in my machined.

> Keyboard:
>
> It is about the most important thing on the machine, if you can't live
> with it, forget it.  Try it out, even the same manufacturer makes many
> different keyboards.  The layout of the keys should be examined too.

A point to be made here: you can always remap keys.  Except for that
damn fool Fn key which is used to remap other keys.  On my machine,
it's in the bottom left hand corner, where I want to have Alt.  The
result is painful.

I don't know of any laptops into which you can't plug a real keyboard,
but that would be an absolute no-no for me.

>               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."

But of course.

Greg

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> Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
> phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."

*ouch*

I tried -current on my laptop.  I liked it, 'cept for the fact that there
was no PAO support as yet and I'm about to get an adaptec ah1460 for an
external CDROM.  I liked it more than -stable, though.

Ada

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After a recent desire to repartition my hard drive, I reinstalled 2.2.2-R
on my Thinkpad 701.

Now what is odd, is that everytime I disable the power cord, the system
sits down and the kernel locks up.

However, other APM events are just fine.  I've disabled the apm support in
the bios but I still have problems..  I'm open to ideas.

(BTW that should be "disconnect the power cord)

Thanks!


Ben.
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y

Re-reading my post, I've given very little details and I sound pretty
silly, so here's a bit more to go on:

What it looks like, is that if the power cable is connected or
disconnected twice, while a PCMCIA card is in the slot (either my TDK
DF2814 or my 3Com 3c589B) the kernal locks up.  But only the second time,
not the first.  This means that if I plug in the cable, unpluging it will
lock the kernel, but if I unplug the cable first, plugging it back in will
lock the kernel.

I'm running with the PAO-970616 with 2.2.2-R.

Thanks!

Ben.

On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Adept wrote:

> 
> After a recent desire to repartition my hard drive, I reinstalled 2.2.2-R
> on my Thinkpad 701.
> 
> Now what is odd, is that everytime I disable the power cord, the system
> sits down and the kernel locks up.
> 
> However, other APM events are just fine.  I've disabled the apm support in
> the bios but I still have problems..  I'm open to ideas.
> 
> (BTW that should be "disconnect the power cord)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Ben.
> ____
> Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr
> Paris, France                      Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator
> 
> 

Ben.
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> ... I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia.
> (If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or
> beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.)

A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would
be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and
installing packages, etc, from.  I put off buying a laptop until
I could buy a cheap one with an active matrix display - I now see
how useful it is for bringing work to different clients, or checking
a few things away from the office, etc.

I don't see anything about disk space in your post.  That is the
biggest drawback on the one I got.  I want to leave everything
related with several projects on the disk so that it can be the
only system I bring to a client without constantly moving things
around.

Peter (IBM TP-365X 800x600 active matrix and about 800MB disk.)

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Hi.  I was wondering if there was a place where people are
recording: "I've got it working" information for various
Laptop/X configurations.  For me, it took quite a while to
get X running in 800x600 on my laptop (Micron Millennia TransPort,
which uses <shudder> the Cirrus Logic chipset).

I wouldn't mind putting my config up somewhere where those
looking for it would find it...  there has got to be some
FreeBSD or Linux mobile config page out there. Anyone know
what the standard place for this info is? (Or if it exists?)

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John Polstra writes:
| I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out
| of town.  My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office
| network using PPP and access my e-mail.  I want to run X11 on it, and
| I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least

Well, here I'm the maintainer of the laptop.  It is a NEC 6030X and does
1024x768.  We went for the second battery pack which gives us ~4 hours 
without being attached to anything.  (Nice for doing work outside on the 
patio) or just taking the machine home at night and leave the power at work.
Disadvantage is that the NEC can have either a second batter, floppy or CD
in the option bay.  But it is not usually a problem since I usually use
the network to get things in and out of it.  I'm running 2.2-beta & PAO 
with some hacks for the PCMCIA controller.  The hacks shouldn't be needed
with more current PAO stuff.  I've tried to get -current up a couple of 
times and have failed on the network card.

I definitely like the 1024x768 since it lets me have 4 80x25 windows open
without overlap.  Compute power is okay since it is PCI based so scrolling the
screen doesn't slow it down.  It uses the C&T graphics chip which is well
supported and now 16bpp is pretty fast (before it really slowed down the 
machine).  Since this was an early XGA laptop it has the 12.1" screen
which is okay but now they seem to be moving to 14.2 with 13.3 common.

I don't like touchpads, I prefer sticks.  The pad is more of a two hand
operation for cut & paste, however it isn't worth the extra $1000 for an
IBM or Toshiba for me.

We had one trouble with the charge circuit and got that fixed pretty quick.

I've been thinking about a personal machine and have been looking at the
Chembook 2700 type (most of the clone shops repackage an OEM version and
the www.chemusa.com site gives gory details on the chipsets!).  I like this
machine since it is 200Mhz, 32M, 3G, 14.2TFT is just under $4000 and uses
the Intel mobile triton II chipset (which is supposed to be faster then
all others).  The negative is the video is Trident and I'm nervous about
XFree support but I've been seeing some success stories.  It's also big, 
but seems to be a good desktop replacement.

Also Intel is about to release the 200+ P5 laptop CPU.  This should extend
battery life and get rid of the fan inside.

Doug A.

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> > After a recent desire to repartition my hard drive, I reinstalled 2.2.2-R
> > on my Thinkpad 701.
> > 
> > Now what is odd, is that everytime I disable the power cord, the system
> > sits down and the kernel locks up.
> > 
> > However, other APM events are just fine.  I've disabled the apm support in
> > the bios but I still have problems..  I'm open to ideas.

If APM supported is truly disabled, then there's no reason for the
kernel to shutdown, since nothing will be generated to shut it down.

My suspicion is that your APM BIOS is either out-of-date, or buggy, or
both.  Check IBM's WWW to see if there is an update to your BIOS that
may fix the problem.



Nate

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> > ... I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia.
> > (If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or
> > beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.)
> 
> A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would
> be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and
> installing packages, etc, from.

PAO has support for the newer Sonys running off PCMCIA cards.  I've got
one, but have never tried it out since I haven't done any laptop code
hacking in months.  In any case, you can have an external CD-ROM if you
really want one, plus the advantage of having a way to play CD's on the
plane w/out using your laptop battery. ;)


nate

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> > A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would
> > be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and
> > installing packages, etc, from.
> 
> ...  In any case, you can have an external CD-ROM if you
> really want one, plus the advantage of having a way to play CD's on the
> plane w/out using your laptop battery. ;)

Then you lose one of the best features of the laptop: the solid box
with everything built in.  Which brings up another point for those in the
market to consider: The IBM has an external power supply while some
laptops have it built in.

Peter

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> > > A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would
> > > be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and
> > > installing packages, etc, from.
> > 
> > ...  In any case, you can have an external CD-ROM if you
> > really want one, plus the advantage of having a way to play CD's on the
> > plane w/out using your laptop battery. ;)
> 
> Then you lose one of the best features of the laptop: the solid box
> with everything built in.

And you lose two of the best features of not having it built in, which
are weight and ruggedness.  Almost *all* of the newer boxes have the
'swappable' CD-ROMS, which makes for weakness in the cases which don't
exist in the boxes that don't have them built-in.  I'll put my non-built
in box with the external CD against *any* box you want to throw at it
for ruggedness.

> Which brings up another point for those in the
> market to consider: The IBM has an external power supply while some
> laptops have it built in.

*All* of the laptops I've ever used (NEC, IBM, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP)
have external power supplies.




Nate

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(Nate states those with built in CDROMS are heavier and flimsier)

I'll look over (and pick up and shake and thump on) a Thinkpad with
built in CDROM before I decide it is too flimsy.  I thought the 365xd
was my 365x with the internal floppy traded off for internal CDROM.
The 365x isn't flimsy.

> *All* of the laptops I've ever used (NEC, IBM, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP)
> have external power supplies.

The Toshibas at one of my clients have built in power supplies and
take a line cord on the back.  I don't know the model, but they
have both older 486 systems and some newer Pentium systems.

I'm more willing to trade off weight for having everything well
packaged in one place than the market.

Peter

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> (Nate states those with built in CDROMS are heavier and flimsier)
> 
> I'll look over (and pick up and shake and thump on) a Thinkpad with
> built in CDROM before I decide it is too flimsy.  I thought the 365xd
> was my 365x with the internal floppy traded off for internal CDROM.
> The 365x isn't flimsy.

None of the ThinkPads are flimsy, but I'll bet you a ThinkPad *with* a
CDROM is much less rugged than one without.  You gotta compare apples to
apples.

> > *All* of the laptops I've ever used (NEC, IBM, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP)
> > have external power supplies.
> 
> The Toshibas at one of my clients have built in power supplies and
> take a line cord on the back.  I don't know the model, but they
> have both older 486 systems and some newer Pentium systems.

That's different than my experience.

> I'm more willing to trade off weight for having everything well
> packaged in one place than the market.

To each his own.  I spend enough time on the road *NOT* using the
externals that having a light-weight laptop is a much bigger deal than
having one with everything built-in.  It's the 'unix' geek in me I
guess.  "Small is beautiful". ;) ;) ;)


Nate

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Hi,

  I've downloaded PAO-970616 for 2.2.2-RELEASE, and have just installed
it.  Surelly a wonderful work.

  I'm trying now to configure a MegaHertz 33.6 Ethernet Modem card.
The default configuration works nicely to detect the modem portion,
but ethernet is more important for me right now.  I tried to add a
new config to /etc/pccard.conf like this:

card "MEGAHERTZ" "CC/XJEM3336"
	config default "sn0" any
	insert echo Megahertz X-Jack Multifunction Card inserted
	insert /etc/pccard_ether $device
	remove echo Megahertz X-Jack Multifunction Card removed
	remove /etc/pccard_ether_remove $device

  but this did not work.  When I insert the card I get some messages 
about "Code xxx not found", where xxx is 128,129 and 131, "matched MEGAHERTZ
 etc.", some stray irq 10, and then: "pccardd[37]: driver allocation failed
 for MEGAHERTZ (Device not configured)"

  Is there any workaround ?

  The FAQ says that multifunction cards are not yet supported, but I could
not find any other reference about this.  Is there a pre-release kit for it ?

  TIA,

					Jonny

PS: notebooks are something completely new for me.  This is my first one,
a Toshiba Satellite Pro 430CDT.

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> 
>   I've downloaded PAO-970616 for 2.2.2-RELEASE, and have just installed
> it.  Surelly a wonderful work.
> 
>   I'm trying now to configure a MegaHertz 33.6 Ethernet Modem card.

Combo cards are not supported.



Nate