From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Jun 8 18:33:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26575 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26570; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA23427; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:02:44 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706090132.LAA23427@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: "mtv" - unimplemented ioctl In-Reply-To: <19970605183544.41475@ct.picker.com> from Randall Hopper at "Jun 5, 97 06:35:44 pm" To: rhh@ct.picker.com (Randall Hopper) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:02:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Randall Hopper stands accused of saying: > mtv, a nice Linux MPEG audio/video/system player, generates this error > when I try to play an MPEG system stream (audio and video mixed): > > LINUX: 'ioctl' fd=10, typ=0x450(P), num=0xf not implemented > > I get a brief microsecond burst of audio and that's it, so that may be > related. > > Is this ioctl supported in the latest -current emulation? And out of > curiousity, what is the function of this particular ioctl?a It's not so much the emulation as the current sound drivers that are the issue here. It's defined in as : #define SNDCTL_DSP_GETTRIGGER _IOR ('P',16, int) #define SNDCTL_DSP_SETTRIGGER _IOW ('P',16, int) The OSS lite beta driver may support it, but it's known to be buggy. > Randall -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Jun 8 19:46:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29384 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29379 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19011; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706090246.TAA19011@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Michael Smith cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "mtv" - unimplemented ioctl In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:02:44 +0930." <199706090132.LAA23427@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 19:46:55 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Michael, If you run ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp7.tar.gz it supports that ioctl. Amancio >From The Desk Of Michael Smith : > Randall Hopper stands accused of saying: > > mtv, a nice Linux MPEG audio/video/system player, generates this error > > when I try to play an MPEG system stream (audio and video mixed): > > > > LINUX: 'ioctl' fd=10, typ=0x450(P), num=0xf not implemented > > > > I get a brief microsecond burst of audio and that's it, so that may be > > related. > > > > Is this ioctl supported in the latest -current emulation? And out of > > curiousity, what is the function of this particular ioctl?a > > It's not so much the emulation as the current sound drivers that are > the issue here. It's defined in as : > > #define SNDCTL_DSP_GETTRIGGER _IOR ('P',16, int) > #define SNDCTL_DSP_SETTRIGGER _IOW ('P',16, int) > > The OSS lite beta driver may support it, but it's known to be buggy. > > > Randall > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Jun 8 19:58:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29792 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29787 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA24050; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:28:31 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706090258.MAA24050@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: "mtv" - unimplemented ioctl In-Reply-To: <199706090246.TAA19011@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Jun 8, 97 07:46:55 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:28:30 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: > > If you run ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp7.tar.gz it supports > that ioctl. Hmm. Unfortunately, I only have an SB-AWE64, so I lose there. I'm working on putting a decent test system together so's to be able to do "real" development again, but time & funds are currently against me 8( Still looking for a sponsor too. Or someone that might want a FreeBSD-aware programmer early next year in the SF area, as my SO is likely to be at UCB for '98. > Amancio -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Jun 8 22:43:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05923 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05917 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA18147 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:42:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Neat BT848/fxtv problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having a neat problem with FXTv. While watching SOME channels ( freq def cableirc ) occasionally the channel will fade to bright white then lose hold. CHanging teh channle back and forth will resync it. Sometimes it loses hold instantly and sometimes it will sync up for a while. Brooktree driver is v1.3 fxtv is v.42 I've tried using freq.c to tweak the channel frequency up or down a couple notches and that doesn't seem to help. Lower channels seem to on average hold better. What other information wouldbe helpfull? +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 01:35:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA11753 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11748 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00308 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706090835.BAA00308@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Millenium and XFree86 3.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 01:35:21 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just install a Matrox Millenium and XFree86 3.3 on my system. Fxtv seems to work okay in PCI to PCI mode at 32bit color depth. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 07:36:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25093 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA25088 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02545; Mon, 9 Jun 97 10:35:04 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA11328; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:33:24 -0400 Message-Id: <19970609103323.39133@ct.picker.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:33:23 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Michael Smith Cc: Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "mtv" - unimplemented ioctl References: <199706090246.TAA19011@rah.star-gate.com> <199706090258.MAA24050@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: <199706090258.MAA24050@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>; from Michael Smith on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 12:28:30PM +0930 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith: |Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: |> |> If you run ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp7.tar.gz it supports |> that ioctl. | |Hmm. Unfortunately, I only have an SB-AWE64, so I lose there. I'm |working on putting a decent test system together so's to be able to do |"real" development again, but time & funds are currently against me 8( Well sounds like we're in the same boat H/W-wise. I've got a SB32. Was pretty involved with fxtv this weekend, but did sidetrack for about half hour with the pnp7 driver, uncommenting all the commented-out support for non-GusPNP cards and coaxing it to build under 2.2.1. Some /dev/audio and /dev/dsp output progs work, but "mtv" just reports that the device is busy or doesn't support the right same rate, and recording from dsp just bails out (interrupted sys call). Also, I get nice system lock-ups and reboots when I interrupt a /dev/dsp output app. Shelved for another day, but if anyone else with a SB16/SB32/AWE32/AWE64 has any desire to pick up with this now that it builds, I'd be glad to send you my mods. BTW, with the 3.0 voxware checked into the source tree, I noticed that mtv does in fact seem to be outputing the right audio. The problem is is that mtv is setting the master volume control in the audio driver to 0 every time it plays a sample. If you wiggle the audio volume fast enough, you can hear continuous audio :-), ...but I'm not that fast. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 09:00:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28868 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [194.151.74.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28844 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from guido@localhost) by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.8.5/8.8.2) id SAA04517 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:00:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Guido van Rooij Message-Id: <199706091600.SAA04517@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: wincast question To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:00:36 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk IS anyone busy with a teletext decoder program for the Wincast Model 405 Win/TVpci? Further more: is there a bt848 based card that understands the European stereo formats? -Guido From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 09:51:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01063 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (bmccane.uit.net [208.129.189.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01037 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (localhost.mccane.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmccane.uit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12694 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706091651.LAA12694@bmccane.uit.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Old standards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:51:14 -0500 From: Wm Brian McCane Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I used to work for a company which built equipment for the railroads. We had a box called a Hot Box Detector (HBD) for detecting bad bearings on a train and telling it to stop. Anyway, it used a little dingus which did ADPCM, at 32K samples/second, and `spoke' the alarm to the train over the radio. If anyone knows about ADPCM, it only requires about 4K bytes to do a 32K/second audio stream. I was thinking about putting together a program for audio over the internet using a software version of ADPCM for real-time chatting. An 11K/second stream would need about 1375 bytes per second to tranfer, so it should work on a 14.4 modem with bytes to spare for the TCP/IP overhead, and ADPCM is fairly compressible by modems which might allow even better performance or quality. Anyway, I was curious if this is old hat (Real Audio maybe), or if noone has considered using this 10+ year old technology. brian From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 10:13:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02610 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02599 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA05034; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:41:41 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706091641.SAA05034@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: wincast question To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:41:40 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199706091600.SAA04517@gvr.win.tue.nl> from "Guido van Rooij" at Jun 9, 97 06:00:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > IS anyone busy with a teletext decoder program for the Wincast > Model 405 Win/TVpci? I have some code which does teletext decoding for Bt848-based boards, look at my page http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD.html It just uses the video capture capabilities of the video board, not the on board teletext decoder chip. This has the advantage of being able to capture pages at transmit speed, at the proce of a large CPU overhead. The program can be optimized a lot in many many ways (probably saving a factor of 4 in cpu time) but I just don't have time to work on it in the near future. Patches appreciated of course. > Further more: is there a bt848 based card that understands the European > stereo formats? No idea Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 11:20:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06482 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06442 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id OAA06193; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA18301; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:19:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Wm Brian McCane cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old standards In-Reply-To: <199706091651.LAA12694@bmccane.uit.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > Howdy, > > I used to work for a company which built equipment for the railroads. > We had a box called a Hot Box Detector (HBD) for detecting bad bearings on a > train and telling it to stop. Anyway, it used a little dingus which did > ADPCM, at 32K samples/second, and `spoke' the alarm to the train over the > radio. If anyone knows about ADPCM, it only requires about 4K bytes to do a > 32K/second audio stream. I was thinking about putting together a program for > audio over the internet using a software version of ADPCM for real-time > chatting. An 11K/second stream would need about 1375 bytes per second to > tranfer, so it should work on a 14.4 modem with bytes to spare for the > TCP/IP overhead, and ADPCM is fairly compressible by modems which might allow > even better performance or quality. Anyway, I was curious if this is old hat > (Real Audio maybe), or if noone has considered using this 10+ year old > technology. ADPCM (at least when I last looked at it) wasn't all that good as you say it is. It's one of the non-lossy algorithms, meaning that it keeps all the information (or nearly all) in the original stream. It was used for taking a 64 kbps PCM stream and condensing it down to 32 kbps. It maybe could do a little better, but only at a much great loss of fidelity. One of the other, lossy algorithms might be more suited to what you want, because their compression ratio is much higher. That's the reason that ADPCM hasn't really gone anywhere. > > brian > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 13:05:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11698 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11684 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00416 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner Reply-To: Bernie Doehner To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: XFree 3.3 and my Wincast problems.. GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <199706090258.MAA24050@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Gang: First - Amancio, thanks for the heads up on XFree 3.3. I just upgraded to 3.3, and also changed from the S3V to the SVGA server (because it supports acceleration for S3 Virge cards, of which my Stealth 3D 2000 clone is one). Result: I can now run fxtv in Ximage and regular modes. No more lost IDE interrupts. Also, contrast is a lot better now with fxtv (with XFree 3.2A I used to have to ocassionaly adjust contrast and brightness depending on wether the scene was dark or bright - this seems to not be necessary any more. John-Mark - please also try upgrading to XFree 3.3 and let us know if the upgrade makes your problems go away too. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 20:25:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04936 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04931 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07832; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100322.UAA07832@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Bernie Doehner cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree 3.3 and my Wincast problems.. GOOD NEWS In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:06:42 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 20:22:38 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Bernie, Glad to hear that you are up and running with XFree86 3.3! Curious , are you able to run fxtv PCI to PCI ? Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Bernie Doehner : > Hi Gang: > > First - Amancio, thanks for the heads up on XFree 3.3. > > I just upgraded to 3.3, and also changed from the S3V to the SVGA server > (because it supports acceleration for S3 Virge cards, of which my Stealth > 3D 2000 clone is one). > > Result: I can now run fxtv in Ximage and regular modes. No more lost IDE > interrupts. Also, contrast is a lot better now with fxtv (with XFree 3.2A > I used to have to ocassionaly adjust contrast and brightness depending on > wether the scene was dark or bright - this seems to not be necessary any > more. > > John-Mark - please also try upgrading to XFree 3.3 and let us know if the > upgrade makes your problems go away too. > > Bernie > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 20:29:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05086 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05078 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07883; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100327.UAA07883@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Nicolas Tsai cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bt848 data sheet In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:24:58 +0800." <339CC90A.F7814F3A@nausica.erso.itri.org.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 20:27:08 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, Can someone help out Nicolas get hold of the bt848 data sheet? I tried mailing it to him and I don't think he was able to get the file . So I am hoping that someone on that part of the world can help him out. Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Nicolas Tsai : > > --------------49BCC7B61D5F9AFDDBCE29F3 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > We can thank Luigi for posting the bt848 data sheet and would like > > to remind people that the bt848 project web page does have a pointer > > to the data book. > > > > http://freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.html > > > > Enjoy, > > Amancio > > > > >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > > > Nicolas Tsai: > > > |Dear Sir: > > > | Could you please e-mail me the Bt848 data sheet and > > related > > > | information pdf file. > > > > > > Someone a while back was good enough to post a URL where you can > > download a > > > PDF version of the datasheet/book: > > > > > > http://www.brooktree.com/pdf/graphics/DATASHTS/l848_b.pdf > > > > > > Randy > > Dear Randy: > I know that http location , but I can't download it . > The network speed is too slow for me to download that file. > Please e-mail me directly. Thank you > ! Nicoals,Tsai > > --------------49BCC7B61D5F9AFDDBCE29F3 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Amancio Hasty wrote: >
We can thank Luigi for posting the bt848 data sheet > and would like >
to remind people that the bt848 project web page does have a pointer >
to the data book. > >

http://freebsd.org/ ~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.html > >

        Enjoy, >
        Amancio > >

>From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : >
> Nicolas Tsai: >
>  |Dear Sir: >
>  |        Could you please > e-mail me the Bt848 data sheet and related >
>  |        information pdf > file. >
> >
> Someone a while back was good enough to post a URL where you can > download a >
> PDF version of the datasheet/book: >
> >
> htt p://www.brooktree.com/pdf/graphics/DATASHTS/l848_b.pdf >
> >
> Randy

>  Dear Randy: >
      I know that http location , but I can't > download it . >
      The network speed is too slow for me > to download that file. >
      Please e-mail me directly.  &nbs p;              ;        > Thank you !         Nicoals,Tsai > > --------------49BCC7B61D5F9AFDDBCE29F3-- > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 21:23:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07770 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07765 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08195 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100422.VAA08195@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: matrox millenium / XFree86 3.3 xbench results 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:22:53 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk {hasty} awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results/matrox.run TOTAL 1947365 lineStones TOTAL 964984 fillStones TOTAL 452761 blitStones TOTAL 61404537 arcStones TOTAL 3285909 textStones TOTAL 993398 complexStones TOTAL 1139709 xStones ^^^^^^^ I am in love ! resolution 1280x1024 color depth: 8 Not too long ago X servers based on et4000 used to clock in around 10 to 15k xstones. In such a short time to get this kind of performance is almost a miracle . Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 22:01:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09787 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09781 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08356 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100501.WAA08356@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: miro PCTV with tuner (bt848 card) $89 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:01:35 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, Browsing for equipment at NCA in Palo Alto, California, I stumbled into Miro's Bt848 card for $109 and with a $20 rebate. Have Ball, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jun 9 23:27:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA13108 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13099 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00532 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100626.XAA00532@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: where to gus pnp data sheet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 23:26:41 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just found this browsing about : ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/demos/incoming/code/iw_sdk20.zip It contains the data sheets for the gus pnp's interwave chipset. Have fun, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 00:19:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15921 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA15896 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA06079; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:46:17 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706100646.IAA06079@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: where to gus pnp data sheet To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:46:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199706100626.XAA00532@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 9, 97 11:26:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just found this browsing about : > > ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/demos/incoming/code/iw_sdk20.zip > > It contains the data sheets for the gus pnp's interwave chipset. which reminds me that we really ought to compile a list of data sheets and protocol specifications available on the net. I always thought it was nice to have URLs within the drivers. Yes they might be volatile, but better than nothing. Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 02:58:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA23798 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA23787 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00384; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970610025545.56957@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:55:45 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Bernie Doehner Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree 3.3 and my Wincast problems.. GOOD NEWS References: <199706090258.MAA24050@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Bernie Doehner on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 04:06:42PM -0400 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bernie Doehner scribbled this message on Jun 9: > Result: I can now run fxtv in Ximage and regular modes. No more lost IDE > interrupts. Also, contrast is a lot better now with fxtv (with XFree 3.2A > I used to have to ocassionaly adjust contrast and brightness depending on > wether the scene was dark or bright - this seems to not be necessary any > more. > > John-Mark - please also try upgrading to XFree 3.3 and let us know if the > upgrade makes your problems go away too. well.. I just did... I'm still running 2.2.1-R, but I did run the latest bt848 driver on XF3.3... but it still crashed... it did take a while longer to lock up the bt946 (my scsi controler) than before... before just a small amount of disk activity would lock up the bus, but not it took it a ls -lR a while (about 5+ seconds) before it locked up... right now I'm looking at upgrading to 2.2.2-R and see if that will help any... if I had another scsi controler, I'd try that... hmm. I could dig up an old NCR 53c400 based controler, I'll see what I can do... ttyl.. -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 04:27:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA28425 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA28419 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 7:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28953; Tue, 10 Jun 97 07:25:59 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA14821; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:24:41 -0400 Message-Id: <19970610072441.46160@ct.picker.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:24:41 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Thomas Arnold Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Neat BT848/fxtv problem References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas Arnold on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 01:42:55AM -0400 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thomas Arnold: |I'm having a neat problem with FXTv. |While watching SOME channels ( freq def cableirc ) occasionally the |channel will fade to bright white then lose hold. CHanging teh channle |back and forth will resync it. Sometimes it loses hold instantly and |sometimes it will sync up for a while. | |Brooktree driver is v1.3 |fxtv is v.42 | |I've tried using freq.c to tweak the channel frequency up or down a couple |notches and that doesn't seem to help. Lower channels seem to on average |hold better. Bernie was also mentioning this and said that an upgrade to XFree 3.3 fixed it; might try that. I've not seen this specific problem myself -- just seen the tuner lose vertical lock and sometimes eventually just quit capturing. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 04:27:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA28452 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA28441 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 7:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28858; Tue, 10 Jun 97 07:22:50 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA14813; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:21:32 -0400 Message-Id: <19970610072132.53615@ct.picker.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:21:32 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Bernie Doehner Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree 3.3 and my Wincast problems.. GOOD NEWS References: <199706090258.MAA24050@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: ; from Bernie Doehner on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 04:06:42PM -0400 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bernie Doehner: |I just upgraded to 3.3, and also changed from the S3V to the SVGA server |(because it supports acceleration for S3 Virge cards, of which my Stealth |3D 2000 clone is one). | |Result: I can now run fxtv in Ximage and regular modes. No more lost IDE |interrupts. Also, contrast is a lot better now with fxtv (with XFree 3.2A That is good news. I need to pull it myself and verify the fixes for the DGA & VidMode bugs I reported made it in as the XFree folks said. Then I'll roll them into fxtv. BTW, the high CPU utilization with direct video in fxtv should be gone in the next version, which I think was another one you reported. The trick is not to use an Xt WorkProc but to do everything with timers; Xt just burns down the CPU calling the WorkProc if one is registered. I just need to spend some more time optimizing and beating a few more bugs of this version. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 04:31:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA28639 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA28631 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 7:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29038; Tue, 10 Jun 97 07:29:01 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA14834; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:27:43 -0400 Message-Id: <19970610072743.53028@ct.picker.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:27:43 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Millenium and XFree86 3.3 References: <199706090835.BAA00308@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: <199706090835.BAA00308@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 01:35:21AM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |I just install a Matrox Millenium and XFree86 3.3 on my system. |Fxtv seems to work okay in PCI to PCI mode at 32bit color depth. Good deal! Out of curiousity, how's it bench against your 968? Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 05:37:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA01765 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wrasse.csv.warwick.ac.uk (wrasse.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.148.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA01755 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr M P Searle Message-Id: <2477.199706101231@wrasse.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by wrasse.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA02477; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:31:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: matrox millenium / XFree86 3.3 xbench results 8) In-Reply-To: <199706100422.VAA08195@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Jun 9, 97 09:22:53 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:31:13 +0100 (BST) Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > {hasty} awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results/matrox.run > TOTAL 1947365 lineStones > TOTAL 964984 fillStones > TOTAL 452761 blitStones > TOTAL 61404537 arcStones > TOTAL 3285909 textStones > TOTAL 993398 complexStones > TOTAL 1139709 xStones > ^^^^^^^ > I am in love ! > > resolution 1280x1024 color depth: 8 > > Not too long ago X servers based on et4000 used to clock in around 10 to > 15k xstones. In such a short time to get this kind of performance > is almost a miracle . > But why run it in 8bpp? (Have you got any figures for 16 or 24bpp?) BTW, I'm fairly sure this is more than Xi claim for the Millenium, the fastest card under AccelX. IIRC AccelX/Millenium does 1.0-1.1 MxStones. They also have no numbers for higher bpps... Thanks, Michael. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 06:47:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA04850 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04845 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA01520; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:49:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree 3.3 and my Wincast problems.. GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <199706100322.UAA07832@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi Bernie, > > Glad to hear that you are up and running with XFree86 3.3! > > Curious , are you able to run fxtv PCI to PCI ? > Yes. PCI to PCI works without crashing, BUT I have to keep the fxtv window at minimum size. Maximizing the fxtv caused the same behavior (missed IDE timeouts). Quite an improvement. At least I don't lose frames now. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 06:53:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05218 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05212 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA01536; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Randall Hopper cc: Thomas Arnold , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Neat BT848/fxtv problem In-Reply-To: <19970610072441.46160@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > |I'm having a neat problem with FXTv. > |While watching SOME channels ( freq def cableirc ) occasionally the > |channel will fade to bright white then lose hold. CHanging teh channle > |back and forth will resync it. Sometimes it loses hold instantly and > |sometimes it will sync up for a while. > > Bernie was also mentioning this and said that an upgrade to XFree 3.3 fixed > it; might try that. I've not seen this specific problem myself -- just > seen the tuner lose vertical lock and sometimes eventually just quit > capturing. > Well. Two different problems really. What 3.3 seems to have fixed is the IDE timeouts (at small window sizes). The loss of vertical lock I still ocassionaly sometimes (even when connected to my VCR with a video/audio patch cable (not coax). I ALWAYS get the loss of vertical lock when the first time I run fxtv (after a reboot). The solution to it (for me) is to quite and restart fxtv. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 07:03:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05829 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05819 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA01558; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: John-Mark Gurney cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree 3.3 and my Wincast problems.. GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <19970610025545.56957@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > well.. I just did... I'm still running 2.2.1-R, but I did run the latest > bt848 driver on XF3.3... but it still crashed... it did take a while > longer to lock up the bt946 (my scsi controler) than before... before > just a small amount of disk activity would lock up the bus, but not > it took it a ls -lR a while (about 5+ seconds) before it locked up... Try smallest window PLEASE, if you haven't already. Makes a world of difference here. I also used ls -lR for testing. I could ls -lR /usr while running fxtv in smallest window and NO lockups. I also ran it for 1 hour after that and still no problems. > right now I'm looking at upgrading to 2.2.2-R and see if that will help > any... if I had another scsi controler, I'd try that... hmm. I could > dig up an old NCR 53c400 based controler, I'll see what I can do... 2.2.2-R didn't fix anything here, but than I am IDE bound. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 08:32:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11107 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11100 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24684; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:31:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: Randall Hopper cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Neat BT848/fxtv problem In-Reply-To: <19970610072441.46160@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: > Bernie was also mentioning this and said that an upgrade to XFree 3.3 fixed > it; might try that. I've not seen this specific problem myself -- just > seen the tuner lose vertical lock and sometimes eventually just quit > capturing. Following a suggestion by Luigi Rizzo I changed the Sync_Level definition to #define SYNC_LEVEL (BT848_ADC_RESERVED | BT848_ADC_SYNC_T) And the problem is solved. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 09:01:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12987 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona.jcmax.com (corona.jcmax.com [204.69.248.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12982 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extreme.jcmax.com by corona.jcmax.com (5.65/2.49G/4.1.3_U1) id AA16175; Tue, 10 Jun 97 12:01:51 -0400 Received: from extreme.jcmax.com (localhost.jcmax.com [127.0.0.1]) by extreme.jcmax.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02798; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706101601.MAA02798@extreme.jcmax.com> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Cc: Tom Pusateri Subject: another bt-848 card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <2795.865958511.1@extreme.jcmax.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:01:51 -0400 From: Tom Pusateri Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just wanted to let you guys know, I picked up a video camera and capture card the other day at Fry's. It is called "The Smart One" from "Best Data". It was $219.00 for both the camera and card. Digital Video Color Camera DCC100 Video Capture Card VCC100 Both HCC100 $219.00 See http://www.bestdata.com/prod.htm for more info. After installing the driver from you bt848 page, it worked perfectly with the vic binary from ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/vic.bktr.gz. The card reported itself as: bktr0 rev 17 int a irq 9 on pci0:15 Hauppauge WinCast/TV, Temic NTSC tuner, dbx stereo. Actually, it doesn't have a tuner or dbx stereo. But it seems to work fine with this driver. Thanks for making this work under FreeBSD-2.2.2. Tom From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 09:03:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13082 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13062 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06312; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101602.JAA06312@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Mr M P Searle cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: matrox millenium / XFree86 3.3 xbench results 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:31:13 BST." <2477.199706101231@wrasse.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:02:47 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Mr M P Searle : > > {hasty} awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results/matrox.run > > TOTAL 1947365 lineStones > > TOTAL 964984 fillStones > > TOTAL 452761 blitStones > > TOTAL 61404537 arcStones > > TOTAL 3285909 textStones > > TOTAL 993398 complexStones > > TOTAL 1139709 xStones > > ^^^^^^^ > > I am in love ! > > > > resolution 1280x1024 color depth: 8 > > > > Not too long ago X servers based on et4000 used to clock in around 10 to > > 15k xstones. In such a short time to get this kind of performance > > is almost a miracle . > > > > But why run it in 8bpp? (Have you got any figures for 16 or 24bpp?) > > BTW, I'm fairly sure this is more than Xi claim for the Millenium, the > fastest card under AccelX. IIRC AccelX/Millenium does 1.0-1.1 MxStones. > They also have no numbers for higher bpps... > > Thanks, Michael. > Hi, I will run the xbench for 32bits when I get home tonite. Typically I run at 16 or 32bits. About my benchmark figures , I was running fvwm95 and my ftp and web site were open so in short the figures are not optimal. Nor my intention was to show the fastest xbench rather the relatively quick performance of the the X server. Is hard for me to post such high figures since I am an S3 fan 8) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 10:03:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16791 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16781 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02569; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Thomas Arnold cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Neat BT848/fxtv problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > to > > #define SYNC_LEVEL (BT848_ADC_RESERVED | BT848_ADC_SYNC_T) > BT848_ADC_CRUSH didn't seem to make much of a difference here though (when receiving of an antenna, so I left it in). Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 11:23:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21815 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (grolsch.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.6.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21804 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cascade.cs.ubc.ca (cascade.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.7.7]) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00764 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mkerr@localhost) by cascade.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA17978 for multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Kerr" Message-Id: <9706101123.ZM17976@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hardware for MBone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If somone could help me answer these questions it would be greatly appreciated. I have been searching the web for the following but have had no luck. The Bt848 based boards work better/worse than the Matrox meteor? ATI, Matrox, S3, (others?) do/don't work with the Bt848 capture card? The Colour Quick Cam does/doesn't work under FreeBSD using Vic or some other? Sources are at...? The pentium II does/doesn't have the same PCI bus bandwith limitation that the pentium Pro has? (They use the same chipset?) Thankyou Sincerely, Michael Kerr From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 11:48:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23613 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23533 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA06874; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:15:15 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706101815.UAA06874@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Neat BT848/fxtv problem To: bad@uhf.wireless.net (Bernie Doehner) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:15:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: tom@inna.net, freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Bernie Doehner" at Jun 10, 97 01:05:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > to > > > > #define SYNC_LEVEL (BT848_ADC_RESERVED | BT848_ADC_SYNC_T) > > > > BT848_ADC_CRUSH didn't seem to make much of a difference here though (when > receiving of an antenna, so I left it in). certainly BT848_ADC_SYNC_T is more important because it allows to sync better. I think some AGC decisions (e.g. the level right after sync pulses etc.) are taken assuming the frame is properly synchronized, so if you lose sync and leave BT848_ADC_CRUSH on, you might run into the fading problem which were mentioned. Luigi From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 11:52:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23966 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23959 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02933; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Luigi Rizzo cc: tom@inna.net, freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Neat BT848/fxtv problem In-Reply-To: <199706101815.UAA06874@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > BT848_ADC_CRUSH didn't seem to make much of a difference here though (when > > receiving of an antenna, so I left it in). I think a clarrification is in order. I am quite far from all TV stations and was using an indoor dipole antenna (away from the computer), so the local fluctuations due to changes in location of furniture/people,etc. made it impossible to really notice a difference. The only way for me to really tell is to add a ioctl so I can switch ADC_CRUSH on/off on the fly. > certainly BT848_ADC_SYNC_T is more important because it allows to > sync better. I think some AGC decisions (e.g. the level right > after sync pulses etc.) are taken assuming the frame is properly > synchronized, so if you lose sync and leave BT848_ADC_CRUSH on, > you might run into the fading problem which were mentioned. Hmmmm.. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 18:12:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18618 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (bmccane.uit.net [208.129.189.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18609 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (localhost.mccane.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmccane.uit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28573; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706110112.UAA28573@bmccane.uit.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Chuck Robey cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old standards In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:19:28 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:12:18 -0500 From: Wm Brian McCane Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > > ADPCM, at 32K samples/second, and `spoke' the alarm to the train over the > > radio. If anyone knows about ADPCM, it only requires about 4K bytes to do a > > 32K/second audio stream. I was thinking about putting together a program for > > audio over the internet using a software version of ADPCM for real-time > > chatting. An 11K/second stream would need about 1375 bytes per second to > > tranfer, so it should work on a 14.4 modem with bytes to spare for the > > TCP/IP overhead, and ADPCM is fairly compressible by modems which might allow > ADPCM (at least when I last looked at it) wasn't all that good as you say > it is. It's one of the non-lossy algorithms, meaning that it keeps all > the information (or nearly all) in the original stream. It was used for > taking a 64 kbps PCM stream and condensing it down to 32 kbps. It maybe > could do a little better, but only at a much great loss of fidelity. The algorithm used by this chip was a lossy algorithm. It had a single bit of data per sample. The sample would start at say 127, then each 0 bit decreases the value by 1, and each 1 bit increased it by 1. If there are 3 bits in a row which are identical, the algorithm uses a catchup value from that point on, say a value of 3, until the current value crosses over the actual target value. This procedure continues for the entire play back, and `approximates' the input data. There are two problems with this algorithm, one is that it is lossy, however at 32K/second the target value doesn't tend to change more than a couple of bits either way. The second problem is a `hiss' equal to 1/2 the sample rate because it is NOT possible to play silence. Instead it plays back 127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128. Actually, now that I think about it, there was a 3rd possible problem. When approximating you could overshoot the size of a byte, and get a POP when the value went from 0 to 255 quickly. brian From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 18:12:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18635 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18627 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03440; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970610181120.27697@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:11:20 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Bernie Doehner Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree 3.3 and my Wincast problems.. GOOD NEWS References: <19970610025545.56957@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Bernie Doehner on Tue, Jun 10, 1997 at 10:04:53AM -0400 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bernie Doehner scribbled this message on Jun 10: > > > > well.. I just did... I'm still running 2.2.1-R, but I did run the latest > > bt848 driver on XF3.3... but it still crashed... it did take a while > > longer to lock up the bt946 (my scsi controler) than before... before > > just a small amount of disk activity would lock up the bus, but not > > it took it a ls -lR a while (about 5+ seconds) before it locked up... > > Try smallest window PLEASE, if you haven't already. Makes a world of > difference here. are you talking about 320x240?? because if you are, that is what I did my testing... it never was stable enough to try it at 640x480... and anything less than 320x240 is a little too small.. :) hmm... I tihnk I might know what fixed your problem.. they improved the video drivers for 3.3 so that less time was spent on the pci bus... that way other transactions weren't colliding... once the new changes get into fxtv, I'll see if that helps any... > I also used ls -lR for testing. I could ls -lR /usr while running fxtv in > smallest window and NO lockups. I also ran it for 1 hour after that and > still no problems. > > > right now I'm looking at upgrading to 2.2.2-R and see if that will help > > any... if I had another scsi controler, I'd try that... hmm. I could > > dig up an old NCR 53c400 based controler, I'll see what I can do... > > 2.2.2-R didn't fix anything here, but than I am IDE bound. hmm... probably should find a databook for the bt946 to make sure every thing is proper... basicly my bt946 gets wedged.. and FreeBSD can't abort the command in the controller... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 18:13:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18655 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18646 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09174; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706110113.SAA09174@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Michael Kerr" cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware for MBone In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:19 PDT." <9706101123.ZM17976@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:13:03 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Michael Kerr" : > If somone could help me answer these questions it would be greatly appreciate d. > I have been searching the web for the following but have had no luck. > > The Bt848 based boards work better/worse than the Matrox meteor? They are about the same however the bt848 cards are dirt cheap and offer more functionality. > ATI, Matrox, S3, (others?) do/don't work with the Bt848 capture card? S3 968 with 4MB of VRAM or Matrox Millenium with 4mb of VRAM both around here cost about $200. > The Colour Quick Cam does/doesn't work under FreeBSD using Vic or some other? > Sources are at...? Not sure I never own a QuickCam and they are not that good for audio/video conferencing. > The pentium II does/doesn't have the same PCI bus bandwith limitation that th e > pentium Pro has? (They use the same chipset?) The Pentim II uses the same PCI chipset as the Pentium PRO if you are not using the MMX instructions then a Pentium II is not a good buy at this point . I am waiting for the next Pentium release as well as a better PCI chipset. For audio you probably want an AudioTrix Pro or a GUS PnP Pro. I also placed on my web site my hardware configuration: http://rah.star-gate.com/site.htm You can take a peek at my mbone web page: http://rah.star-gate.com/~hasty/mbone.html I have not updated for a while however it still has useful info. Have Fun, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 19:20:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21993 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21959 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09794 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706110219.TAA09794@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "mtv" - unimplemented ioctl In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 10:33:23 EDT." <19970609103323.39133@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:19:40 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > Michael Smith: > |Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: > |> > |> If you run ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp7.tar.gz it supports > |> that ioctl. > | > |Hmm. Unfortunately, I only have an SB-AWE64, so I lose there. I'm > |working on putting a decent test system together so's to be able to do > |"real" development again, but time & funds are currently against me 8( > > Well sounds like we're in the same boat H/W-wise. I've got a SB32. Was > pretty involved with fxtv this weekend, but did sidetrack for about half > hour with the pnp7 driver, uncommenting all the commented-out support for > non-GusPNP cards and coaxing it to build under 2.2.1. Well this is the story of the existing sound driver 3.5 no one is willing to work on it to support hardware other than the GUS PnP or AudioTrix Pro. On my part, I am very happy with my soundcards and not that really keen on buying a SB??? cards. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 19:55:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23813 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23794 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id WAA24188; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA25553; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:55:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Wm Brian McCane cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old standards In-Reply-To: <199706110112.UAA28573@bmccane.uit.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > > The algorithm used by this chip was a lossy algorithm. It had a single bit of > data per sample. The sample would start at say 127, then each 0 bit decreases > the value by 1, and each 1 bit increased it by 1. If there are 3 bits in a > row which are identical, the algorithm uses a catchup value from that point > on, say a value of 3, until the current value crosses over the actual target > value. This procedure continues for the entire play back, and `approximates' > the input data. There are two problems with this algorithm, one is that it is > lossy, however at 32K/second the target value doesn't tend to change more than > a couple of bits either way. The second problem is a `hiss' equal to 1/2 the > sample rate because it is NOT possible to play silence. Instead it plays back > 127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128. Actually, now that I think > about it, there was a 3rd possible problem. When approximating you could > overshoot the size of a byte, and get a POP when the value went from 0 to 255 > quickly. This sounds like adaptive delta mod, which is not limited to an 8 bit range. At 32K, it would sounds pretty good, I'd think. > > brian > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jun 10 21:21:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28331 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28326 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00570; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706110421.VAA00570@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Mr M P Searle cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: matrox millenium / XFree86 3.3 xbench results 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:31:13 BST." <2477.199706101231@wrasse.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:21:00 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results//matrox-1100.run TOTAL 1066823 lineStones TOTAL 434861 fillStones TOTAL 155673 blitStones TOTAL 57203637 arcStones TOTAL 3278002 textStones TOTAL 598692 complexStones TOTAL 496071 xStones resolution 1152x864 32bit color depth Amancio >From The Desk Of Mr M P Searle : > > {hasty} awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results/matrox.run > > TOTAL 1947365 lineStones > > TOTAL 964984 fillStones > > TOTAL 452761 blitStones > > TOTAL 61404537 arcStones > > TOTAL 3285909 textStones > > TOTAL 993398 complexStones > > TOTAL 1139709 xStones > > ^^^^^^^ > > I am in love ! > > > > resolution 1280x1024 color depth: 8 > > > > Not too long ago X servers based on et4000 used to clock in around 10 to > > 15k xstones. In such a short time to get this kind of performance > > is almost a miracle . > > > > But why run it in 8bpp? (Have you got any figures for 16 or 24bpp?) > > BTW, I'm fairly sure this is more than Xi claim for the Millenium, the > fastest card under AccelX. IIRC AccelX/Millenium does 1.0-1.1 MxStones. > They also have no numbers for higher bpps... > > Thanks, Michael. > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 03:41:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15520 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (bmccane.uit.net [208.129.189.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15512 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (localhost.mccane.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmccane.uit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10011; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:41:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706111041.FAA10011@bmccane.uit.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Chuck Robey cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old standards In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:54:30 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:41:17 -0500 From: Wm Brian McCane Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > > > > The algorithm used by this chip was a lossy algorithm. It had a single bit of > > data per sample. The sample would start at say 127, then each 0 bit decreases > > the value by 1, and each 1 bit increased it by 1. If there are 3 bits in a > > row which are identical, the algorithm uses a catchup value from that point > > on, say a value of 3, until the current value crosses over the actual target > > value. This procedure continues for the entire play back, and `approximates' > > the input data. There are two problems with this algorithm, one is that it is > > lossy, however at 32K/second the target value doesn't tend to change more than > > a couple of bits either way. The second problem is a `hiss' equal to 1/2 the > > sample rate because it is NOT possible to play silence. Instead it plays back > > 127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128,127,128. Actually, now that I think > > about it, there was a 3rd possible problem. When approximating you could > > overshoot the size of a byte, and get a POP when the value went from 0 to 255 > > quickly. > > This sounds like adaptive delta mod, which is not limited to an 8 bit > range. At 32K, it would sounds pretty good, I'd think. I believe that it was called Adaptive Delta Pulse Code Modulation (ADPCM). I have the datasheets here for the chip, but I cannot find them. They gave a really nice quality playback at 32K/sec. One trick, that we used was a 16KHz filter on the microphone connection. This completely eliminated the hiss and made it sound nearly CD quality actually. Our HBD was and as far as I know still is the envy of the industry because we had such good speech, and it was easily changable. Customer would order `Think Safety' EPROM, and drop it in for their slogan. Other companies used various things including tape, and none sounded as good or were nearly as reliable. brian From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 03:45:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15704 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk (gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.148.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15699 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr M P Searle Message-Id: <5418.199706111042@gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA05418; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:42:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: matrox millenium / XFree86 3.3 xbench results 8) In-Reply-To: <199706110421.VAA00570@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Jun 10, 97 09:21:00 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:42:49 +0100 (BST) Cc: csubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk, multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results//matrox-1100.run > TOTAL 1066823 lineStones > TOTAL 434861 fillStones > TOTAL 155673 blitStones > TOTAL 57203637 arcStones > TOTAL 3278002 textStones > TOTAL 598692 complexStones > TOTAL 496071 xStones > > resolution 1152x864 32bit color depth > > > > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of Mr M P Searle : > > > {hasty} awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results/matrox.run > > > TOTAL 1947365 lineStones > > > TOTAL 964984 fillStones > > > TOTAL 452761 blitStones > > > TOTAL 61404537 arcStones > > > TOTAL 3285909 textStones > > > TOTAL 993398 complexStones > > > TOTAL 1139709 xStones > > > ^^^^^^^ > > > I am in love ! > > > > > > resolution 1280x1024 color depth: 8 > > > > > > Not too long ago X servers based on et4000 used to clock in around 10 to > > > 15k xstones. In such a short time to get this kind of performance > > > is almost a miracle . > > > > > > > But why run it in 8bpp? (Have you got any figures for 16 or 24bpp?) > > > > BTW, I'm fairly sure this is more than Xi claim for the Millenium, the > > fastest card under AccelX. IIRC AccelX/Millenium does 1.0-1.1 MxStones. > > They also have no numbers for higher bpps... > > > > Thanks, Michael. > > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 04:09:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA16548 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16537 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09124 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 7:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04987; Wed, 11 Jun 97 07:06:56 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA23729; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:05:36 -0400 Message-Id: <19970611070536.09140@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:05:36 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New sound drivers (was Re: "mtv" - unimplemented ioctl) References: <19970609103323.39133@ct.picker.com> <199706110219.TAA09794@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: <199706110219.TAA09794@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Tue, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:19:40PM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : |> Michael Smith: |> |Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: |> |> |> |> If you run ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp7.tar.gz it supports |> |> that ioctl. |> | |> |Hmm. Unfortunately, I only have an SB-AWE64, so I lose there. I'm |> |working on putting a decent test system together so's to be able to do |> |"real" development again, but time & funds are currently against me 8( |> |> Well sounds like we're in the same boat H/W-wise. I've got a SB32. Was |> pretty involved with fxtv this weekend, but did sidetrack for about half |> hour with the pnp7 driver, uncommenting all the commented-out support for |> non-GusPNP cards and coaxing it to build under 2.2.1. | | |Well this is the story of the existing sound driver 3.5 no one is willing |to work on it to support hardware other than the GUS PnP or AudioTrix Pro. |On my part, I am very happy with my soundcards and not that really keen |on buying a SB??? cards. | | Amancio As you know (and mention often) Amancio, we all have other projects as well as work and/or school going on in parallel in our lives. Folks contribute when they can and generally tend to focus on areas where others stand to benefit from their work. When you took over the sound driver upgrade project, my understanding was that you took over the "sound driver", not just the Gus-PnP part of it. If you don't have a particular card, you just need to solicit help. Someone may not be free right then to go work with it, but you'll probably get the help you need in a few days. I plan to go back and work with the 3.5 sound driver some more and hopefully learn enough about its workings to fix it for Sound Blaster cards. If I happen to get to this before you or someone else, I'll be glad to forward my updates back in (so we can rename it to something other than guspnp*, like voxware3.5-v8*). But I do plan to get fxtv 0.43 released first, which should materialize sometime mid next week. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 04:26:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17210 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk (csubl@gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.148.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA17203 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr M P Searle Message-Id: <5674.199706111124@gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by gudgeon.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05674; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:24:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: matrox millenium / XFree86 3.3 xbench results 8) In-Reply-To: <199706101602.JAA06312@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Jun 10, 97 09:02:47 am" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:24:49 +0100 (BST) Cc: csubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk, multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >From The Desk Of Mr M P Searle : > > > {hasty} awk -f scripts/xstones.awk < results/matrox.run > > > TOTAL 1947365 lineStones > > > TOTAL 964984 fillStones > > > TOTAL 452761 blitStones > > > TOTAL 61404537 arcStones > > > TOTAL 3285909 textStones > > > TOTAL 993398 complexStones > > > TOTAL 1139709 xStones > > > ^^^^^^^ > > > I am in love ! > > > > > > resolution 1280x1024 color depth: 8 > > > > > > Not too long ago X servers based on et4000 used to clock in around 10 to > > > 15k xstones. In such a short time to get this kind of performance > > > is almost a miracle . > > > > > > > But why run it in 8bpp? (Have you got any figures for 16 or 24bpp?) > > > > BTW, I'm fairly sure this is more than Xi claim for the Millenium, the > > fastest card under AccelX. IIRC AccelX/Millenium does 1.0-1.1 MxStones. > > They also have no numbers for higher bpps... > > > > Thanks, Michael. > > > > Hi, > I will run the xbench for 32bits when I get home tonite. Typically I run at 16 > or 32bits. > About my benchmark figures , I was running fvwm95 and my ftp and web site > were open so in short the figures are not optimal. Nor my intention was > to show the fastest xbench rather the relatively quick performance of the > the X server. Is hard for me to post such high figures since I am an S3 fan 8) > So was I :) with an S3-968 card, 2M VRAM, I get ~250K 8 bit, ~120K 16 bit, ~60K 24 bit IIRC. Resolution 1152x864 for 8/16 bit, 800x600 for 32 bpp, done with nothing but a couple of rxvts and twm running, on XFree 3.1.2. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 05:38:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20194 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA20189 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 8:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08117; Wed, 11 Jun 97 08:38:06 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA25261; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:36:44 -0400 Message-Id: <19970611083644.16320@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:36:44 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Identifying Engineers (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Somewhat (...well, ok, "completely") off-charter :-), but I thought everybody would enjoy this one. It appeared in my mailbox last night. We gotta start telling each other things just "can't be done"! :-) Randall Identifying Engineers Just to help you (and others) out about identifying engineers... People who work in the fields of science and technology are not like other people. This can be frustrating to the nontechnical people who have to deal with them. The secret to coping with technology-oriented people is to understand their motivations. This chapter will teach you everything you need to know. I learned their customs and mannerisms by observing them, much the way Jane Goodall learned about the great apes, but without the hassle of grooming. Engineering is so trendy these days that everybody wants to be one. The word "engineer" is greatly overused. If there's somebody in your life who you think is trying to pass as an engineer, give him this test to discern the truth. ENGINEER IDENTIFICATION TEST You walk into a room and notice that a picture is hanging crooked. You... A. Straighten it. B. Ignore it. C. Buy a CAD system and spend the next six months designing a solar-powered, self-adjusting picture frame while often stating aloud your belief that the inventor of the nail was a total moron. The correct answer is "C" but partial credit can be given to anybody who writes "It depends" in the margin of the test or simply blames the whole stupid thing on "Marketing." SOCIAL SKILLS Engineers have different objectives when it comes to social interaction. "Normal" people expect to accomplish several unrealistic things from social interaction: * Stimulating and thought-provoking conversation * Important social contacts * A feeling of connectedness with other humans In contrast to "normal" people, engineers have rational objectives for social interactions: * Get it over with as soon as possible. * Avoid getting invited to something unpleasant. * Demonstrate mental superiority and mastery of all subjects. FASCINATION WITH GADGETS To the engineer, all matter in the universe can be placed into one of two categories: (1) things that need to be fixed, and (2) things that will need to be fixed after you've had a few minutes to play with them. Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems. Normal people don't understand this concept; they believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet. No engineer looks at a television remote control without wondering what it would take to turn it into a stun gun. No engineer can take a shower without wondering if some sort of Teflon coating would make showering unnecessary. To the engineer, the world is a toy box full of sub-optimized and feature-poor toys. FASHION AND APPEARANCE Clothes are the lowest priority for an engineer, assuming the basic thresholds for temperature and decency have been satisfied. If no appendages are freezing or sticking together, and if no unmentionables are out in plain view, then the objective of clothing has been met. Anything else is a waste. LOVE OF "STAR TREK" Engineers love all of the "Star Trek" television shows and movies. It's a small wonder, since the engineers on the starship Enterprise are portrayed as heroes, occasionally even with aliens. This is much more glamorous than the real life of an engineer, which consists of hiding from the universe, without the participation of other life forms. DATING AND SOCIAL LIFE Dating is never easy for engineers. A normal person will employ various indirect and duplicitous methods to create a false impression of attractiveness. Engineers are incapable of placing appearance above function. Fortunately, engineers have an ace in the hole. They are widely recognized as superior marriage material: intelligent, dependable, employed, honest, and handy around the house. While it's true that many normal people would prefer not to date an engineer, most normal people harbor an intense desire to mate with them, thus producing engineerlike children who will have high-paying jobs long before becoming permanently dependent on their parents. HONESTY Engineers are always honest in matters of technology and human relationships. That's why it's a good idea to keep engineers away from customers, romantic interests, and other people who can't handle the truth. Engineers sometimes bend the truth to avoid work. They say things that sound like lies but technically are not because nobody could be expected to believe them. The complete list of engineer lies is listed below. * "I won't change anything without asking you first." * "I'll return your hard-to-find cable tomorrow." * "I have to have new equipment to do my job." * "I'm not jealous of your new computer." FRUGALITY Engineers are notoriously frugal. This is not because of cheapness or mean spirit; it is simply because every spending situation is simply a problem in optimization, that is, "How can I escape this situation while retaining the greatest amount of cash?" POWERS OF CONCENTRATION If there is one trait that best defines an engineer it is the ability to concentrate on one subject to the complete exclusion of everything else in the environment. This sometimes causes engineers to be pronounced dead prematurely. Some funeral homes in high-tech areas have started checking resumes before processing the bodies. Anybody with a degree in electrical engineering or experience in computer programming is propped up in the lounge for a few days just to see if he or she snaps out of it. RISK Engineers hate risk. They try to eliminate it whenever they can. This is understandable, given that when an engineer makes one little mistake that kills only a few hundred people, the media will treat it like it's a big deal or something. EXAMPLES OF BAD PRESS FOR ENGINEERS * Hindenberg. * Space Shuttle Challenger. * SPANet(tm) * Hubble space telescope. * Apollo 13. * Titanic. * Ford Pinto. * Corvair. The risk/reward calculation for engineers looks something like this: * RISK: Public humiliation and the death of thousands of innocent people. * REWARD: A certificate of appreciation in a handsome plastic frame. Being practical people, engineers evaluate this balance of risks and rewards and decide that risk is not a good thing. The best way to avoid risk is by advising that any activity is technically impossible for reasons that are far too complicated to explain. If that approach is not sufficient to halt the project, then the engineer will fall back to a second line of defense: "It's technically possible but it will cost too much." EGO Ego-wise, two things are important to engineers: * How smart they are. * How many cool devices they own. The fastest way to get an engineer to solve a problem is to declare that the problem is unsolvable. No engineer can walk away from an unsolvable problem until it's solved. No illness or distraction is sufficient to get the engineer off the case. These types of challenges quickly become personal -- a battle between the engineer and the laws of nature. Engineers will go without food and hygiene for days to solve a problem. (Other times just because they forgot.) And when they succeed in solving the problem they will experience an ego rush that is better that beating Russians at chess. Or even better than seeing his boss crawl for help when he can't get his new stereo system to work right (the one the Engineer advised against!). Nothing is more threatening to the engineer than the suggestion that somebody has more technical skill. Normal people sometimes use that knowledge as a lever to extract more work from the engineer. When an engineer says that something can't be done (a code phrase that means it's not fun to do), some clever normal people have learned to glance at the engineer with a look of compassion and pity and say something along these lines: "I'll ask Bob to figure it out. He knows how to solve difficult technical problems." At that point it is a good idea for the normal person to not stand between the engineer and the problem. The engineer will set upon the problem like a starved Chihuahua on a pork chop. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 09:33:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03209 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03204 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02357; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Identifying Engineers (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19970611083644.16320@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: > We gotta start telling each other things just "can't be done"! :-) > > Identifying Engineers This is an all-time classic chapter. It's from "The Dilbert Book" by Scott Adams, an absolute requirement for anybody who develops anything. :) Especially us "engineers" >>:-> Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Spam routed to /dev/null by Procmail | Death to Cyberpromo From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 11:34:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08980 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sagu.nosc.mil (sagu.nosc.mil [128.49.129.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08975 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from liam@localhost) by sagu.nosc.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00343 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Liam Slusser Message-Id: <199706111834.LAA00343@sagu.nosc.mil> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Hey there... Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am having a few problems with my FreeBSD box and a Sound Blaster PnP 16 card. The computer is a Dual Pentium Pro 200, 128meg ram. Running FreeBSD 3.0-SNAP--SMP. The sound card works fine in Windows/NT or Win95..but i can't get FreeBSD to find the thing....in the kernel conf file i have... controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 10 drq 3 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x300 The Sound card setting are: port 0x220 IRQ 10 DMA 3 Hi-DMA 5 MIDI 0x300 I know that they are sort of weird setting..but the Sound Blaster PnP does not give me much of a choice...since there is no jumpers..:( If you have any ideas...please give me a email. Liam P. Slusser LIAM.P.SLUSSER@cpmx.SAIC.Com Junior System Administrator Science Applications International Corporation (v) +1 619 225 3165 10260 Campus Point Drive, M/S T1-A, San Diego CA. 92121 (or just liam@sagu.nosc.mil) From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jun 11 21:06:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05617 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05612 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19069 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706120406.VAA19069@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: xbench results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:06:20 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If anyone is interested on xbench results see: http://www.goof.com/xbench/ have fun, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Jun 12 18:29:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02435 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02430 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25232 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini36.earthlink.net (max4-so-ca-00.earthlink.net [206.149.202.151]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10939 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970612182712.00688bc0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: gemini36@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:27:12 -0700 To: multimedia@freebsd.org From: pah Subject: Bt848.vxd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have TeleViewer Plus (Antec) It won't let me do anything because it wants Bt848.vxd and .hlp. It apparently expects me to already have same. I do not. Can you help? Sincerely, Paul Helfen From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Jun 12 18:55:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03163 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03157 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04881 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini36.earthlink.net (max4-so-ca-00.earthlink.net [206.149.202.151]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21602 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970612185352.00690040@earthlink.net> X-Sender: gemini36@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:53:52 -0700 To: multimedia@freebsd.org From: pah Subject: Bt848.hlp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk CORRECTION ============ I have Bt848.vxd - I do not have Bt848.HLP - and TeleViewer won't let me get past that issue. What do you suggest? ....................................................... I have TeleViewer Plus (Antec) It won't let me do anything because it wants Bt848.vxd and .hlp. It apparently expects me to already have same. I do not. Can you help? Sincerely, Paul Helfen From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Jun 13 11:48:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13259 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13215 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mercury.mcs.net (fredriks@Mercury.mcs.net [192.160.127.80]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA19591; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:47:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fredriks@localhost) by Mercury.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id NAA28586; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:47:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Fredriksen Message-Id: <199706131847.NAA28586@Mercury.mcs.net> Subject: Mbone question To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:47:48 -0500 (CDT) Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Amancio, I have couple of quick Mbone questions(feel free to redirect me :-)). 1) What is the easiest way to find the closest mbone router to me so that I can find out if they are willing give me a tunnel? 2) Assuming the following setup: PPP Ethernet ------------------|gw|------------|machines| 204.150.64.241 204.150.64.24[2-6] As you can see the ppp is on the same subnet as my ethernet. This works fine for all other apps but mrouter only sees one interface because of this and will not come up. Will a tunnel fix this? or do I have to go a completely different direction?? Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks-2.pr.mcs.net (home-home) From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Jun 13 13:15:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16995 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16979 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01109 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA12968; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:59:52 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706131859.UAA12968@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Mbone question To: fredriks@Mcs.Net (Lars Fredriksen) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:59:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199706131847.NAA28586@Mercury.mcs.net> from "Lars Fredriksen" at Jun 13, 97 01:47:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 2) Assuming the following setup: > > PPP Ethernet > > ------------------|gw|------------|machines| > > 204.150.64.241 204.150.64.24[2-6] > > As you can see the ppp is on the same subnet as my ethernet. This > works fine for all other apps but mrouter only sees one interface > because of this and will not come up. Will a tunnel fix this? or same problem here. I have had no time to investigate it, but I think the fix must involve mrouted. Maybe Bill Fenner has a good solution ? Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Jun 13 19:21:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04192 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myname.my.domain (ts26-4.wla.ts.ucla.edu [164.67.21.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04184 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myname.my.domain (LocalHost [127.0.0.1]) by myname.my.domain (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00561 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33A200CB.41C67EA6@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:24:21 -0700 From: Yixin Jin Organization: UCLA, Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Hauppauge Wincast/TV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there I am using Hauppauge Wincast/TV card and FreeBSD 2.2.1 with BT848 driver. However, when I don't define OVERRIDE_CARD, the kernel can not probe what kind of card I have. When I define OVERRIDE_CARD as CARD_HAUPPAUGE, it can recognize it now, but it tells me that I have TEMIC PAL tuner, and actually I have PHILIP NTSC tuner. Do you see this before? Please help me out. Right now, what I can do is to define a OVERRIDE_TUNER as PHILIPS_NTSC, and tell kernel what I have manually. Thanks Yixin From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Jun 13 21:39:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08487 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08482 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00321; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706140439.VAA00321@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Lars Fredriksen cc: multimedia@freebsd.org, fenner@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: Mbone question In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:47:48 CDT." <199706131847.NAA28586@Mercury.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:39:26 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would place tunnel behind the gw box after that all your boxes in the same network will receive ip multicast. Bill Fenner is our resident mrouted guru ... Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Lars Fredriksen : > Hi Amancio, > I have couple of quick Mbone questions(feel free to redirect me :-)). > > 1) What is the easiest way to find the closest mbone router to me so > that I can find out if they are willing give me a tunnel? > > 2) Assuming the following setup: > > PPP Ethernet > > ------------------|gw|------------|machines| > > 204.150.64.241 204.150.64.24[2-6] > > As you can see the ppp is on the same subnet as my ethernet. This > works fine for all other apps but mrouter only sees one interface > because of this and will not come up. Will a tunnel fix this? or > do I have to go a completely different direction?? > > Lars > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) > lars@fredriks-2.pr.mcs.net (home-home) From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Jun 13 23:42:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11547 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11542 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA13597; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:13:06 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199706140613.IAA13597@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Mbone question To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:13:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: fredriks@Mcs.Net, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, fenner@rah.star-gate.com In-Reply-To: <199706140439.VAA00321@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 13, 97 09:39:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I would place tunnel behind the gw box after that all your boxes > in the same network will receive ip multicast. but this is not possible when the only machine you have is the gateway (e.g. a pc at home running ppp across a modem) Cheers Luigi From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 03:34:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17197 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peer.cc.uec.ac.jp (peer.cc.uec.ac.jp [130.153.27.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA17192 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peer.cc.uec.ac.jp (ikob@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peer.cc.uec.ac.jp (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06037 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:34:04 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199706141034.TAA06037@peer.cc.uec.ac.jp> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: A new Bt848 card X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05 on Emacs 19.28.2, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:33:59 +0900 From: Katushi Kobayashi Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, FreeBSD'ers I found that I/O data devive Inc.'s GVB-VCP/PCI video capture card works fine on BSD/OS with the driver ported from FreeBSD's Bt848 one. The card doesn't have any I2C device as a TV tuner, then the card is probed as "Intel Smart Capture III" card. Unfortunately, I don't have an environment of cheking it under native FreeBSD.I believe the card works fine too on FreeBSD, because of my modification for BSD/OS are only at device prove and attache phase that are strongly depend on operating systems. You can obtain the information of the card from http://www.iodata.co.jp/products/video/gvvcp.htm Sorry, we cannot find English information. ikob@peer.cc.uec.ac.jp From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 06:02:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA22134 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22126 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09832; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Yixin Jin cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hauppauge Wincast/TV In-Reply-To: <33A200CB.41C67EA6@cs.ucla.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi there > > I am using Hauppauge Wincast/TV card and FreeBSD 2.2.1 with BT848 > driver. However, when I don't define OVERRIDE_CARD, the kernel can not > probe what kind of card I have. When I define > OVERRIDE_CARD as CARD_HAUPPAUGE, it can recognize it now, but > it tells me that I have TEMIC PAL tuner, and actually I have > PHILIP NTSC tuner. > > > Do you see this before? Please help me out. Right now, what > I can do is to define a OVERRIDE_TUNER as PHILIPS_NTSC, and > tell kernel what I have manually. Which driver are you using? I didn't know OVERRIDE_TUNER was even an option. I just bought my Hauppauge/mono (model 400) card one month ago and yes, they seem to have changed the address of the tuner so that it doesn't get detected properly now. Could you run the sign.c program from: http://freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/files/sign.c and post the results? Again, to refresh everyone's memory, the following is my signature: ------------------------------------- signature contents, 0x01 thru 0xff: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 02 00 00 00 i2c device found @ 0xa0 0xc2 ------------------------- Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 09:19:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27977 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27972 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06801; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706141618.JAA06801@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: fredriks@Mcs.Net, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, fenner@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: Mbone question In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:13:05 +0200." <199706140613.IAA13597@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:18:36 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk First of all you can't really run mrouted with 28.8 modem there is just simply too much traffic. You should be able if to run mrouted in your PC "gw" across the ppp link. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Luigi Rizzo : > > I would place tunnel behind the gw box after that all your boxes > > in the same network will receive ip multicast. > > but this is not possible when the only machine you have is the gateway > (e.g. a pc at home running ppp across a modem) > > Cheers > Luigi From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 10:51:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01632 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01624 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15760(4)>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:50:33 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177512>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:50:20 -0700 To: Lars Fredriksen cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mbone question In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jun 97 11:47:48 PDT." <199706131847.NAA28586@Mercury.mcs.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:50:07 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <97Jun14.105020pdt.177512@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lars Fredriksen wrote: >1) What is the easiest way to find the closest mbone router to me so >that I can find out if they are willing give me a tunnel? Contact your service provider (and then they can contact their provider, etc.). >2) Assuming the following setup: > > PPP Ethernet > ------------------|gw|------------|machines| > 204.150.64.241 204.150.64.24[2-6] With unicast, it's easy to break the IP subnet model with proxy ARP and get away with it. It's a little harder with multicast, and mrouted doesn't support it (yet?). You need real subnets on each side. However, if the thing on the other end of the PPP link doesn't support DVMRP, then running natively on gw doesn't make sense anyway -- you can just disable the ppp interface and install a tunnel to whomever you're going to get a tunnel from. You might also have to use the "netmask" and "altnet" keywords on your ethernet interface to avoid advertising a DVMRP route for more than you're responsible for. Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 12:23:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04930 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04918 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11453; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706141920.NAA11453@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Bernie Doehner cc: Yixin Jin , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hauppauge Wincast/TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:05:12 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:20:47 -0600 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I did a quick patch to the code in 3.0-current to allow: - OVERRIDE_TUNER: allows you to manually choose the tuner type for those cards that fail to probe properly. See source for legal values. - OVERRIDE_DBX: allows you to manually choose DBX or NO DBX for those cards that fail to probe properly. 0 == no DBX circuit present, 1 == DBX circuit present. here's a patch against it: ------------------------------------- cut ------------------------------------ *** brooktree848.c.orig Mon May 5 14:54:54 1997 --- brooktree848.c Sat Jun 14 13:16:09 1997 *************** *** 374,381 **** * i2c things: */ - #define TEST_PAL - /* PLL on a Temic NTSC tuner: 4032FY5 */ #define TEMIC_NTSC_WADDR 0xc0 #define TEMIC_NTSC_RADDR 0xc1 --- 374,379 ---- *************** *** 3246,3251 **** --- 3244,3256 ---- /* * the data for each type of tuner + * + * if probeCard() fails to detect the proper tuner on boot you can + * override it by setting the following define to the tuner present: + * + #define OVERRIDE_TUNER + * + * where is one of the following tuner defines. */ /* indexes into tuners[] */ *************** *** 3402,3407 **** --- 3407,3417 ---- bktr->card = cards[ (card = CARD_MIRO) ]; checkTuner: + #if defined( OVERRIDE_TUNER ) + bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ OVERRIDE_TUNER ]; + goto checkDBX; + #endif + /* differentiate type of tuner */ if ( i2cRead( bktr, TEMIC_NTSC_RADDR ) != ABSENT ) { bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ TEMIC_NTSC ]; *************** *** 3412,3431 **** bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ PHILIPS_NTSC ]; goto checkDBX; } ! #if defined( TEST_PAL ) ! /** WARNING: this is a test */ if ( card == CARD_HAUPPAUGE ) { if ( i2cRead( bktr, TEMIC_PALI_RADDR ) != ABSENT ) { bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ TEMIC_PAL ]; goto checkDBX; } } - #endif /* TEST_PAL */ /* no tuner found */ bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ NO_TUNER ]; checkDBX: /* probe for BTSC (dbx) chips */ if ( i2cRead( bktr, TDA9850_RADDR ) != ABSENT ) bktr->card.dbx = 1; --- 3422,3444 ---- bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ PHILIPS_NTSC ]; goto checkDBX; } ! if ( card == CARD_HAUPPAUGE ) { if ( i2cRead( bktr, TEMIC_PALI_RADDR ) != ABSENT ) { bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ TEMIC_PAL ]; goto checkDBX; } } /* no tuner found */ bktr->card.tuner = &tuners[ NO_TUNER ]; checkDBX: + #if defined( OVERRIDE_DBX ) + bktr->card.dbx = OVERRIDE_DBX; + goto end; + #endif + /* probe for BTSC (dbx) chips */ if ( i2cRead( bktr, TDA9850_RADDR ) != ABSENT ) bktr->card.dbx = 1; ------------------------------------- cut ------------------------------------ Let me know if it fails to work properly. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 20:48:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23284 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23279 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02303; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706150348.UAA02303@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Chuck Robey cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: guspnp7 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:23:26 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:48:14 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Chuck, The README file is also on: http://rah.star-gate.com/HyperNews/get/forums/sound.html I intent to start loading up the page tomorrow nothing exciting just plain old info stuff . The driver seems to work rather well over here. NAS comes in handy to play back phone voice messages using auedit 8) Whats left is general streamlining of the code and to support the SB thingies. The SB stuff should not be too bad to complete given the audiotrix pro module has a SB compatibility device. I hardly ever use the SB compatibility just the CS4231 side of my audio trix pro. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Chuck Robey : > Works fine. I didn't even see the README file, because all the rest are > named Readme. Once I read that one, it simply worked dandy. Had to make > one change in freebsd/makedev.sh: MAJOR should have been 30, not 33. > > Nas worked first time, then. I don't know of a tool that uses nas > directly, but Ted Knight does, so I'm going to make sure he gets it > installed, then take the pointer from him as to the test software. > Catting to audio works fine/ > > Is there some reason this isn't in current? It really seems you've had it > tested awhile now, and it offers PNP caompatibility that's fairly > important, besides the nas compatibility. I would think it's a really > strong candidate. If you're not a committer, I am, and I'd be willing to > go get permission from somebody in core about it, if you can't do it > yourself. > > I'm going to go get a 848 card next. You're too darn far ahead of me! > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 20:56:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23544 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23538 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id XAA28641; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA10771; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:56:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:56:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: guspnp7 In-Reply-To: <199706150348.UAA02303@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > The README file is also on: > > http://rah.star-gate.com/HyperNews/get/forums/sound.html > > I intent to start loading up the page tomorrow nothing exciting just > plain old info stuff . > > The driver seems to work rather well over here. NAS comes in handy > to play back phone voice messages using auedit 8) > > > Whats left is general streamlining of the code and to support the > SB thingies. The SB stuff should not be too bad to complete given > the audiotrix pro module has a SB compatibility device. > I hardly ever use the SB compatibility just the CS4231 side of my > audio trix pro. I don't have a soundblaster, but I _could_ borrow one, a SB16. Would that help any (me being a tester for the older SB16?). I'd like to see the code get it's way into current. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jun 14 21:01:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23856 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23851 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02797; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706150401.VAA02797@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Chuck Robey cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: guspnp7 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:56:11 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:01:14 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yeap, that will help a lot . Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Chuck Robey : > On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > The README file is also on: > > > > http://rah.star-gate.com/HyperNews/get/forums/sound.html > > > > I intent to start loading up the page tomorrow nothing exciting just > > plain old info stuff . > > > > The driver seems to work rather well over here. NAS comes in handy > > to play back phone voice messages using auedit 8) > > > > > > Whats left is general streamlining of the code and to support the > > SB thingies. The SB stuff should not be too bad to complete given > > the audiotrix pro module has a SB compatibility device. > > I hardly ever use the SB compatibility just the CS4231 side of my > > audio trix pro. > > I don't have a soundblaster, but I _could_ borrow one, a SB16. Would that > help any (me being a tester for the older SB16?). > > I'd like to see the code get it's way into current. > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >