From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Aug 31 08:43:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA08192 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA08187; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00507; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 10:43:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 10:43:13 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Mike Smith cc: mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, richard@pegasus.com Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199708310213.LAA00788@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, Mike Smith wrote: > Whilst the criticism that these drives are "slow" and the tapes > "expensive" is not entirely without basis, it's worth bearing in mind > that these drives are *robust*, and properly stored the media are very > stable. Alas, my viper appears to be failing. It streams nicely winding one direction, but chugs going the other with data rates dropping to about 50K/s from over 100K/s when nicely streaming. :( -john From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Sep 2 02:03:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA26273 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rodent.iafrica.com (root@rodent.iafrica.com [196.31.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA26266 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rodent.iafrica.com (markm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rodent.iafrica.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18339; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:03:34 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199709020903.LAA18339@rodent.iafrica.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: scsi@freebsd.org cc: markm@iafrica.com Subject: Nasty bug in SCSI/3.0-current? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:03:33 +0200 From: Mark R V Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I have just succeded in hosing my hard disk for the second time using ports/audio/tosha and my nec SCSI CDROM drive. Symptoms: I try to read an audio track from the CDROM drive, and I get the following errors logged to the console: Sep 1 21:31:26 greenpeace /kernel: st0: BLANK CHECK req sz: 1 (decimal) asc:0,5 End-of-data detected Sep 1 21:31:26 greenpeace /kernel: st0: BLANK CHECK req sz: 1 (decimal) asc:0,5 End-of-data detected Sep 2 07:50:27 greenpeace login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv2 Sep 2 08:43:09 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 Illegal mode for this track Sep 2 08:43:09 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 Illegal mode for this track Sep 2 08:43:13 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 Illegal mode for this track Sep 2 08:43:23 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 Invalid field in CDB Sep 2 08:43:13 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0 Illegal mode for this track Sep 2 08:43:23 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 Invalid field in CDB Sep 2 08:45:21 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: SCB 0x0 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 Sep 2 08:45:21 greenpeace /kernel: cd0: SCB 0x0 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 Sep 2 08:45:22 greenpeace /kernel: SEQADDR = 0x6 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x5 SSTAT1 = 0xa Sep 2 08:45:22 greenpeace /kernel: SEQADDR = 0x6 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x5 SSTAT1 = 0xa The system hangs, and after a while panics. The SCSI disk on the same bus is then HOSED - it needs to be low level reformatted, as a very large number of sectors are not readable. I have a GA586DX motherboard, which has an Adaptec 7660(?) on board. (This is the chip that looks like a 2940.) I am running 3.0-CURRENT (Really current). I did not have this problem 2 weeks ago. (Last time I tried.) Hints? Suggestions? Flames? I can't experiment too much, as it takes me several hours to recover each time. (I love DAT!) M -- Mark Murray Senior Network Engineer, UUNET Internet Africa Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Sep 3 21:32:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA03592 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoke.marlboro.vt.us (smoke.marlboro.vt.us [198.206.215.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03570; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cgull@localhost) by smoke.marlboro.vt.us (8.8.7/8.8.7/cgull) id AAA14263; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709040432.AAA14263@smoke.marlboro.vt.us> From: john hood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: twiddling compression on a Sony SDT-7000 DAT drive, and slow dumps X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk so, i have this lovely little Sony SDT-7000 tape drive. it had the jumper that controls the compression default set to not compress. a couple days ago, i spent much, much too long trying to get this thing to enable compression, by way of the more-or-less usual compression mode page on DAT drives and scsi(8). no matter what i tried, i couldn't get anything to happen to the drive. i ended up applying the PC Solution (tm): rip the box apart and set the bleeding jumper. since i still want to be able to turn off compression occasionally, i'm still left with trying to get it to work in software. Sony tech support hasn't been much help so far (their DAT support people are out on vacation or somesuch). has anybody been able to get this to work? am i possibly beating my head against old firmware on the drive? am i missing something stupid? scsi -f /dev/rst0.ctl -c "0x15 0x10 0 0 0x14 0" \ -o 0x14 "14 0 10 0 0f e c0 80 0 0 0 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0" [...] Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #2: Tue Aug 19 15:27:24 EDT 1997 Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us:/usr/src/sys/compile/NEWSMOKE [...] Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:10 Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST12400N 8650" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: 2048MB (4194685 512 byte sectors) Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: (ncr0:1:0): "SEAGATE ST11200N SUN1.05 9500" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: sd1(ncr0:1:0): Direct-Access Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: sd1(ncr0:1:0): 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: 1005MB (2059140 512 byte sectors) Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: (ncr0:2:0): "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-3401TA 0283" type 5 removable SCSI 2 Aug 25 01:03:54 smoke /kernel: cd0(ncr0:2:0): CD-ROM Aug 25 01:03:55 smoke /kernel: cd0(ncr0:2:0): asynchronous. Aug 25 01:03:55 smoke /kernel: can't get the size Aug 25 01:03:55 smoke /kernel: (ncr0:4:0): "SONY SDT-7000 0150" type 1 removable SCSI 2 Aug 25 01:03:55 smoke /kernel: st0(ncr0:4:0): Sequential-Access Aug 25 01:03:55 smoke /kernel: st0(ncr0:4:0): 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) Aug 25 01:03:55 smoke /kernel: density code 0x13, drive empty additionally, dumps run really slowly on this machine. i get about 350-400 KB/s dumping to /dev/null. the tape drive doesn't run any faster, obviously, and shoeshines away. tar or other filesystem users run at a reasonable speed. is this normal or not? any obvious suspects? --jh -- John Hood cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us Predictably, they all eventually wandered away, rubbing their bruises and brushing mud out of their hair. Some went off to work for the ESA, launching much smaller rockets into low orbits, while others elected to sit on their front porches drinking Jim Beam from the bottle and launching bottle rockets from the empties. [Jordan Hubbard] From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 4 04:02:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA21262 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca9-52.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA21217; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.7/8.6.9) id EAA14437; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709041101.EAA14437@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: gibbs@freebsd.org, dufault@hda.com CC: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: NOT READY From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just to see if resetting the bus works, I tried pulling and re-inserting an unused disk on the same SCSI string as the one that contains the non-responsive disk. It worked, all the disks go into re-negotiation and the sleeping one wakes up.... Satoshi From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 10:19:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20360 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20337 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07836 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Scary DPT problem. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Using DPT-1.2.4 with 3.0/SMP. I was running a test of adding 25000 accounts and removing them, and making sure everything was hunky-dory, when the dreaded: "DPT: Undocumented Error" db> Occurs. OK, Happened in the past. Hit the reset switch: "No Operating System". Power-Cycle "No Operating System". Swear, curse, cry, yell, shake. Power-cycle it, and let it sit. It finally reboots, but the passwd file .db's are completely hosed. and /etc/group is a goner. Makes me nervous to deploy this out in the sticks... I'm hoping it's just an SMP or 3.0-current problem, as opposed to some deep dark nasty DPT issue. From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 12:02:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25669 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25664 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) id OAA11125; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:02:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011085; Fri, 5 Sep 97 14:02:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA25974; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:02:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:02:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mestery To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: sloanch@anubis.network.com Subject: SCSI cables and boxes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, this may be slightly off-topic, but does anyone know where I can get some SCSI enclosures and/or some SCSI cables (SCSI-2)?? I have been searching and haven't come up with any places. Specifically, an enclosure for a 5 1/4" drive, or multiple drives. Thanks! Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Network Systems Group 7600 Boone Ave. N., Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 mesteka@anubis.network.com, mestery@winternet.com From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 12:11:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26127 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25960; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14813; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Jaye Mathisen cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:18:34 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:09:37 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Using DPT-1.2.4 with 3.0/SMP. > > I was running a test of adding 25000 accounts and removing them, and > making sure everything was hunky-dory, when the dreaded: > > "DPT: Undocumented Error" > db> > > Occurs. > > OK, Happened in the past. Hit the reset switch: "No Operating System". > Power-Cycle "No Operating System". Swear, curse, cry, yell, shake. > > Power-cycle it, and let it sit. It finally reboots, but the passwd file > .db's are completely hosed. and /etc/group is a goner. > > Makes me nervous to deploy this out in the sticks... I'm hoping it's just > an SMP or 3.0-current problem, as opposed to some deep dark nasty DPT > issue. SMP-current should definitely NOT be used for anything critical right now! We KNOW we have a show-stopper in there... It probably affects ALL SMP systems, just bites some earlier than others. On the bright side, we are closing in on it, and hopefully will have a resolution by later today (no promises). -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 12:38:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27318 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lithium.elemental.org (daleg@lithium.elemental.org [204.91.240.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27307 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daleg@localhost) by lithium.elemental.org (8.8.5/Your.Mom) with SMTP id PAA21300; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:30:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Lead Head Reply-To: Dale Ghent To: Kyle Mestery cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, sloanch@anubis.network.com Subject: Re: SCSI cables and boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-President-Clinton: On Crack X-LART: Homelite Chainsaw MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Kyle Mestery wrote: | | Hi, this may be slightly off-topic, but does anyone know where I can get | some SCSI enclosures and/or some SCSI cables (SCSI-2)?? I have been | searching and haven't come up with any places. Specifically, an enclosure | for a 5 1/4" drive, or multiple drives. Thanks! www.ci-design.com -Dale G. From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 13:00:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28383 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28240; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09927; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Steve Passe cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. In-Reply-To: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My apologies. I'm well aware of the purpose of -current vs -stable. I was more concerned with the fact that it appears to be possible to get the DPT controller so scrambled up that a simple reboot doesn't reset it. Not anything with SMP/3.0... FWIW, I can still crash SMP/3.0 if I bump up InetLoad high enough, but I still can't crash a 3.0-uniprocessor kernel with no MAXMEM... Haven't supped since yesterday, given the headaches of applying the DPT patches all the time to the sys tree. I don't see this so much as a 3.0 problem, as a DPT issue, but I could be off base. Wouldn't be the first time... :0 On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > Using DPT-1.2.4 with 3.0/SMP. > > > > I was running a test of adding 25000 accounts and removing them, and > > making sure everything was hunky-dory, when the dreaded: > > > > "DPT: Undocumented Error" > > db> > > > > Occurs. > > > > OK, Happened in the past. Hit the reset switch: "No Operating System". > > Power-Cycle "No Operating System". Swear, curse, cry, yell, shake. > > > > Power-cycle it, and let it sit. It finally reboots, but the passwd file > > .db's are completely hosed. and /etc/group is a goner. > > > > Makes me nervous to deploy this out in the sticks... I'm hoping it's just > > an SMP or 3.0-current problem, as opposed to some deep dark nasty DPT > > issue. > > SMP-current should definitely NOT be used for anything critical right now! > We KNOW we have a show-stopper in there... It probably affects ALL SMP > systems, just bites some earlier than others. > > On the bright side, we are closing in on it, and hopefully will have a > resolution by later today (no promises). > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 13:08:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28824 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA28814 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x74bp-0003PH-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:04:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Dale Ghent cc: Kyle Mestery , freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, sloanch@anubis.network.com Subject: Re: SCSI cables and boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Lead Head wrote: > On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Kyle Mestery wrote: > > | Hi, this may be slightly off-topic, but does anyone know where I can get > | some SCSI enclosures and/or some SCSI cables (SCSI-2)?? I have been > | searching and haven't come up with any places. Specifically, an enclosure > | for a 5 1/4" drive, or multiple drives. Thanks! > > www.ci-design.com Or better yet, Granite Digital at www.scsipro.com Granite Digital makes very high quality SCSI components. They will even custom interal cables using high quality teflon ribbon cable. > -Dale G. > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 13:59:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA01308 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01293 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xsvr2.cup.hp.com (xsvr2.cup.hp.com [15.0.66.180]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id NAA15286; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xsvr2.cup.hp.com (1.39.111.2/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA255003175; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:59:35 -0700 From: "Josef C. Grosch Contra" Message-Id: <9709051359.ZM25498@xsvr2.cup.hp.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:59:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: Kyle Mestery "SCSI cables and boxes" (Sep 5, 2:02pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Kyle Mestery Subject: Re: SCSI cables and boxes Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sep 5, 2:02pm, Kyle Mestery wrote: > Subject: SCSI cables and boxes > > Hi, this may be slightly off-topic, but does anyone know where I can get > some SCSI enclosures and/or some SCSI cables (SCSI-2)?? I have been > searching and haven't come up with any places. Specifically, an enclosure > for a 5 1/4" drive, or multiple drives. Thanks! > > Kyle Mestery > StorageTek's Network Systems Group > 7600 Boone Ave. N., Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 > mesteka@anubis.network.com, mestery@winternet.com > >-- End of excerpt from Kyle Mestery Greeting to a fellow Minnesotian (well, ex-Minnesotain right now :-( ) There is a place in north Minneapolis that handles used equipment. I think they are on River Road. Look for an HP disk tower enclosure. These enclosures hold up to 6 half hight or 3 Full height drives. They are made of nice, heavy sheet metal. The part number is, I think, a C2482A. If you don't want to go with used equipment check out "Corporate Systems Center". We here in the Silicon Valley know them as Disk Drive Depot. Their URL is http://www.corpsys.com/. They carry a nice line of external enclosures and cables. Good Luck Josef -- Josef Grosch, 47LG4 | "Laugh while you can, | My opinions are mine, not jgrosch@cup.hp.com | monkey boy!" | HPs. They have'nt paid for (408) 447-0467 | - John Warfin - | them yet ! :-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 22:05:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22545 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22495 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16779 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Sep 1997 05:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: Jaye Mathisen Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Passe Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jaye Mathisen; On 05-Sep-97 you wrote: > > My apologies. I'm well aware of the purpose of -current vs -stable. I > was more concerned with the fact that it appears to be possible to get > the > DPT controller so scrambled up that a simple reboot doesn't reset it. It (the DPT controller) is a computer with a precise and specific sequencer implemented in the EATA protocol. If the O/S is doing something strange, it may decide to stop playing. Besides, you have no real proof what hung up. I am not going to consider this a DPT driver bug until I see more data. > I don't see this so much as a 3.0 problem, as a DPT issue, but I could > be > off base. Wouldn't be the first time... :0 You are off base in this particular case. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 05-Sep-97, 21:55:33 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 5 22:05:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22563 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22504 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16777 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Sep 1997 05:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: Steve Passe Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Jaye Mathisen Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Steve Passe; On 05-Sep-97 you wrote: ... > > "DPT: Undocumented Error" This is when we get an error indication from the DPT controller, but have no clue what it is. ... > SMP-current should definitely NOT be used for anything critical right > now! To add to Steve's message, I will quote the copyright notice on 1.2.4 DPT driver: .... * This is a proprietary, unpublished source code. No publishing, copying, * distribution or use permission is granted to anyone. * * If you want to use this product in any way, please contact the author by * sending email to shimon@i-connect.net .... The 1.2.4 driver (as you can clearly see is NOT in the public domain! Nor is it something you should grab, use without permission on an experimental version of the O/S, mess up something, complain about and recive much sympathy. I posted it on my personal machine as a means for experimenters who are generous and gracious enough to assist me in debugging it. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 05-Sep-97, 21:49:22 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 6 01:22:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA02683 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA02676 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA02537; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:22:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA28069; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:12:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970906101258.KU52967@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:12:58 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dburr@POBoxes.com (Donald Burr) Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? References: <199708310015.RAA00360@ns.feral.com> <199708310213.LAA00788@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199708310213.LAA00788@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Aug 31, 1997 11:43:12 +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Mike Smith wrote: > Whilst the criticism that these drives are "slow" and the tapes > "expensive" is not entirely without basis, it's worth bearing in mind > that these drives are *robust*, and properly stored the media are very > stable. OTOH, QIC-150 media can often be gotten for free. Try to find a company that used to be a workstation reseller in the past, the workstation vendors used to ship their software updates on these media (d*mned CD-ROMs these days, you can only recycle them as coasters :). We've got a pile of ~ 50 media ourselves, and could even get more of them from a customer. (Alas, the latter tapes are `tainted' with sensitive data, so i can't offer them to third parties. And erasing them before handing them out is a so dreadful job that the< are no longer really `free' then. ;) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 6 01:22:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA02703 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA02694 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA02539 for freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:22:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA28092; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:20:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970906102021.YZ35994@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:20:21 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? References: <199708310611.UAA14714@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199708310611.UAA14714@pegasus.com>; from Richard Foulk on Aug 30, 1997 20:11:32 -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Richard Foulk wrote: > I suppose you could say that QIC was more robust back when they were > more widely used and less data was being archived. In today's world > they're not all that robust when compared to the alternatives. This is an old religious war, and i won't continue it myself except for this mail. QIC still *is* more robust than any helical-scan technology. DAT being worst, the drives usually don't last longer than 1.5 years when being used on a daily basis (and this was with the older, better quality HP drives, the toys that are built these days often don't survive a couple of months). Media often fail after a couple of years, seen this personally with the DAT cartridges of a customer (and they did have spare copies). 8 mm Exabyte comes next, but still, it's helical scan, and once you've looked inside these drives with its about 10 different motors, and dozens of wheels in it, you start distrusting them if you've got the slightes feeling for mechanics. Complete this exercise by reading Exabyte's recommendation for how to remove a jamming cassette. :-) Needless to say, chances are good that you're damaging this cassette when removing... The general opinion of quite a number of people is that longit- udinally-recording drives (QIC, DLT, MLT (sp?)) are much more robust, becuase of them being KISS. QIC ain't dead either, i'm not the only one using it, and there are drives available up to 10 or 20 GB as well (which still can read and write the old QIC-150 cartridges). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 6 08:43:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18641 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kcwc.com (h1.kcwc.com [206.139.252.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA18635 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.kcwc.com (NX5.67c/NeXT-2.0-KCWC-1.0) id AA04783; Sat, 6 Sep 97 11:43:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 97 11:43:11 -0400 From: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) Message-Id: <9709061543.AA04783@mail.kcwc.com> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI cables and boxes Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius , > Or better yet, Granite Digital at www.scsipro.com > Granite Digital makes very high quality SCSI components. > They will even custom interal cables using high quality > teflon ribbon cable. At Tom's suggestion I replaced all my cables on my ultra bus with ones from Granite and it solved all the problems I was having. They cost a lot ($500 for my config: 4 cables + 2 terminators), but if you are having problems - or just want to make sure you don't have problems, I'd recommend them. Curt From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 6 08:47:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18783 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18763; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16604; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709061547.RAA16604@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: Simon Shapiro CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Simon Shapiro's message of Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. References: <199709051909.NAA14813@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Simon Shapiro ] > To add to Steve's message, I will quote the copyright notice on 1.2.4 DPT > driver: > > .... > > * This is a proprietary, unpublished source code. No publishing, copying, > * distribution or use permission is granted to anyone. > * > * If you want to use this product in any way, please contact the author by > * sending email to shimon@i-connect.net > > .... > > The 1.2.4 driver (as you can clearly see is NOT in the public domain! Nor > is it something you should grab, use without permission on an experimental > version of the O/S, mess up something, complain about and recive much > sympathy. > > I posted it on my personal machine as a means for experimenters who are > generous and gracious enough to assist me in debugging it. You're planning to change this copyright when the driver is stable, right? I'm asking because I'm likely to need to set up a FreeBSD server to tackle extreme I/O load in a while (~1/2 year, probably) and was thinking of this driver as one of the likely components. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 6 11:31:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA25983 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA25973 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28181 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Sep 1997 18:31:50 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709061547.RAA16604@bitbox.follo.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Scary DPT problem. Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Eivind Eklund; On 06-Sep-97 you wrote: ... > You're planning to change this copyright when the driver is stable, > right? I'm asking because I'm likely to need to set up a FreeBSD > server to tackle extreme I/O load in a while (~1/2 year, probably) and > was thinking of this driver as one of the likely components. But of course. It will have to be committed to the source tree. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 06-Sep-97, 11:18:24 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 6 14:48:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04701 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (ppp6079.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04680; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dburr@localhost) by DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14944; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org: dburr owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: dburr@DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org To: FreeBSD SCSI cc: AIC7xxx List Subject: Anyone successfully use Wangtek 5525ES with FreeBSD 2.2.2? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just acquired a Wangtek 5525ES SCSI tape drive. More specifically, it is a: (ahc0:4:0): "WANGTEK 5525ES SCSI REV7 3R1" type 1 removable SCSI 1 st0(ahc0:4:0): Sequential-Access density code 0xc, drive empty (a SCSI-1, QIC-525 tape drive) This is running in a FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE system with an Adaptec AHA-2940AU PCI SCSI controller. Anyway, here's the problem: Sometimes, the tape drive locks up the system. This only happens on commands which actually access the tape drive -- e.g. tar, cpio, etc. Even an "mt retension" will do it, though an "mt status" doesn't (yet...). When this happens, it appears that the tape drive locks up -- the motors don't wind, I can't the offending process, etc. BUT the system ISN'T locked -- I can switch over to another VC and login and do stuff. The SCSI bus isn't locked either--I can log in on another VC and access my SCSI CD-ROM, Jaz drive, etc. After a LONG time, the kernel prints error messages similar to the following: Sep 5 15:01:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): NOT READY csi:40,0,0,0 Sep 5 15:04:32 DonaldBurr login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv1 Sep 5 15:33:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): SCB 0x2 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 Sep 5 15:33:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: SEQADDR = 0x6 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x5 SSTAT1 = 0xa Sep 5 15:33:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): Queueing an Abort SCB Sep 5 15:33:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): Abort Message Sent Sep 5 15:33:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): SCB 2 - Abort Completed. Sep 5 15:33:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): no longer in timeout Sep 5 15:40:30 DonaldBurr login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv2 Sep 5 15:48:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): SCB 0x2 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 Sep 5 15:48:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: SEQADDR = 0x7 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x5 SSTAT1 = 0xa Sep 5 15:48:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): SCB 2: Immediate reset. Flags = 0x1 Sep 5 15:48:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: ahc0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 1 SCBs aborted Sep 5 15:48:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: Clearing bus reset Sep 5 15:48:51 DonaldBurr /kernel: Clearing 'in-reset' flag Sep 5 15:48:52 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): no longer in timeout Sep 5 15:48:52 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): UNIT ATTENTION Sep 5 15:48:52 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): Target Busy Sep 5 15:48:52 DonaldBurr last message repeated 7 times Sep 5 15:48:53 DonaldBurr /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 Sep 5 15:48:54 DonaldBurr /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred field replaceable unit: 14 Sep 5 15:48:54 DonaldBurr /kernel: , retries:4 Sep 5 15:49:00 DonaldBurr /kernel: st0(ahc0:4:0): Target Busy Sep 5 15:49:00 DonaldBurr last message repeated 5 times I know it sound cheesy, but "this drive works fine under Win95" (using teh tape backup application that came in Adaptec's EZ-SCSI software) I haven't been brave enough (or had enough disk space) to install Linux and try it with this tape drive. Is this a hardware problem, a FreeBSD problem, or an Adaptec problem? I have heard stories of the AHA2940 type cards being unstable -- guess I should have thought twice before buying one. But I really had no choice, as all of my ISA slots were full (otherwise I would've bought a AHA1542, which I'm MUCH more comforatable using). Someone has told me that upgrading the kernel can fix a lot of this (it contains a better aic7xxx driver?). Unfortunately, I'm not sure which version of the kernel to upgrade to, or even how to perform this upgrade (do I need to update the whole FreeBSD system, or can I just download the kernel 'sys' files and rebuild from those?) Please respond by e-mail if possible. Thanks! Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 6 18:12:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA15535 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA15523 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA11843; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:11:29 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA07129; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:41:28 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970907104126.56920@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:41:26 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? References: <199708310611.UAA14714@pegasus.com> <19970906102021.YZ35994@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <19970906102021.YZ35994@uriah.heep.sax.de>; from J Wunsch on Sat, Sep 06, 1997 at 10:20:21AM +0200 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Sep 06, 1997 at 10:20:21AM +0200, J Wunsch wrote: > As Richard Foulk wrote: > >> I suppose you could say that QIC was more robust back when they were >> more widely used and less data was being archived. In today's world >> they're not all that robust when compared to the alternatives. > > QIC still *is* more robust than any helical-scan technology. DAT > being worst, the drives usually don't last longer than 1.5 years when > being used on a daily basis (and this was with the older, better > quality HP drives, the toys that are built these days often don't > survive a couple of months). While I won't question the undeniable unreliability of early HP DDS drives, I can't confirm that they're getting worse. My 37480As all died within about 6 months with only moderate use, and to my extreme disgust my last one, repaired last December at the cost of $200, and only used once since then, has also died again. On the other hand, the Archive DDS-2 autoloader I bought at the same time, and which I use several hours every day, has given me no trouble at all. Neither did my HP C1533A DDS-2 until it got mechanically damaged travelling half way round the world. Greg