From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 10:09:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28396 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28391; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from narnia (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22006; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701281809.KAA22006@narnia.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:09:28 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is just a heads up that the dreaded "Queue Full" problem with the Quantum Atlas and the aic7xxx driver has been found. Unfortunately the fix is not as simple as downloading a new version of the FreeBSD driver. The problem is a bug in level 912 of the Atlas firmware. You can obtain the necessary files to upgrade your firmware from Quantum's ftp site. You will have to run Dos and Adaptec's ASPI drivers in order to download the firmware to the drive. The URL is: ftp://ftp.qntum.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas Owners of Atlas-II drives may also want to look into upgrading their firmware to the latest. The release notes of the upgrade I found mention a few tagged queueing bugs although there is no mention of the "Queue Full" problem. Seeing as the didn't mention it directly for the Atlas either, it may be that they fixed the same problem for the Atlas-II as well. The URL is: ftp://ftp.qntum.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas-II I hope you all have many happy "Queue Full" free days ahead. 8-) __ Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 11:58:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06520 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06515; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from narnia (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22354; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:58:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701281958.LAA22354@narnia.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:37:50 PST." <10701.854480270@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:58:24 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> This is just a heads up that the dreaded "Queue Full" problem with >> the Quantum Atlas and the aic7xxx driver has been found. Unfortunately > >Yay! > >> ftp site. You will have to run Dos and Adaptec's ASPI drivers >> in order to download the firmware to the drive. The URL is: >> >> ftp://ftp.qntum.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas > >Erm. No. :-( > >Even the obvious ftp.quantum.com doesn't work. Any pointers? > > Jordan Sorry. Moved the 'u': ftp://ftp.quntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 12:19:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07803 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07792; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA08847; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:00:41 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701282000.NAA08847@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas To: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:00:41 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701281809.KAA22006@narnia.plutotech.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jan 28, 97 10:09:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is just a heads up that the dreaded "Queue Full" problem with > the Quantum Atlas and the aic7xxx driver has been found. Unfortunately > the fix is not as simple as downloading a new version of the FreeBSD > driver. The problem is a bug in level 912 of the Atlas firmware. You > can obtain the necessary files to upgrade your firmware from Quantum's > ftp site. You will have to run Dos and Adaptec's ASPI drivers > in order to download the firmware to the drive. The URL is: Is there any possibility of determining the firmware rev from software? Then when the queue full condition occurs, you could print a console log message that tells you to update the firmware.... or just print that message on a queue full, always, or for Quantums. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 12:22:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08032 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08008; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhayf@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09415; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:21:20 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199701282021.WAA09415@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas In-Reply-To: <199701281958.LAA22354@narnia.plutotech.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Jan 28, 97 11:58:24 am" To: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:21:20 +0200 (SAT) Cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL24 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> ftp site. You will have to run Dos and Adaptec's ASPI drivers > >> in order to download the firmware to the drive. The URL is: > >> > >> ftp://ftp.qntum.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas > > > >Erm. No. :-( > > > >Even the obvious ftp.quantum.com doesn't work. Any pointers? > > > > Jordan > > Sorry. Moved the 'u': > > ftp://ftp.quntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas > Maybe: ftp://ftp.qntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas ? John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 12:51:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09234 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from amazon.cs.umd.edu (amazon.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09229; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: jlee@cs.umd.edu Received: by amazon.cs.umd.edu (8.8.4/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01402; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:50:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701282050.PAA01402@amazon.cs.umd.edu> Subject: Is "NULLFS" broken? To: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:50:34 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear FreeBSDers: I noticed that whenever I have "null" mounted file systems, I get kernel page faults sometime later. The system without mounted NULLFS doesn't generate kernel page faults as far as I can tell. I am running FreeBSD-2.2/ctm/src-2.2.0139.gz and doing a lot of reading and writing to the "null" mounted directory as root. I tried FreeBSD-2.1.6.1 and I still got kernel page faults with NULLFS mounted. I am a happy user of FreeBSD for a year now. I would be a happier user if I don't get the kernel page faults with NULLFS. :-) Am I doing something stupid or the "null fs" is broken? Please help me solving this problem. Thank you in advance. jlee@cs.umd.edu From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 13:21:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11055 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11048; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA09000; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:03:36 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701282103.OAA09000@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas To: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:03:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701281958.LAA22354@narnia.plutotech.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jan 28, 97 11:58:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sorry. Moved the 'u': > > ftp://ftp.quntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas There is no 'u'. ftp://ftp.qntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 13:25:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11306 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11300; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-38.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA26686 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:25:12 +0100 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.4/8.6.9) id WAA04158; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:25:22 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:25:21 +0100 From: se@freebsd.org (Stefan Esser) To: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas References: <199701281958.LAA22354@narnia.plutotech.com> <10701.854480270@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.58-PL15 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199701281958.LAA22354@narnia.plutotech.com>; from Justin T. Gibbs on Jan 28, 1997 11:58:24 -0800 Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jan 28, gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) wrote: > >> ftp://ftp.qntum.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas > > > >Erm. No. :-( > > > >Even the obvious ftp.quantum.com doesn't work. Any pointers? > > > > Jordan > > Sorry. Moved the 'u': > > ftp://ftp.quntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas No: There is NO 'u' in the host name: ftp://ftp.qntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 13:27:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11428 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11405; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.dk.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0vpL38-0003yDC; Tue, 28 Jan 97 13:26 PST Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter-home [193.162.32.19]) by schizo.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13380; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:26:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA13442; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:28:05 +0100 (MET) To: Terry Lambert cc: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs), FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:00:41 MST." <199701282000.NAA08847@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: <13440.854486884@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199701282000.NAA08847@phaeton.artisoft.com>, Terry Lambert writes: >Is there any possibility of determining the firmware rev from >software? Then when the queue full condition occurs, you could >print a console log message that tells you to update the >firmware.... or just print that message on a queue full, always, or >for Quantums. This can be done with a tiny shell script that looks at /var/run/dmesg.boot. Nobody with their sanity still moderately intact would add stuff like this to the kernel. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 13:41:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12464 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12459; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.8.4/8.8.3) id PAA17613; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:41:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:41:05 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199701282141.PAA17613@plains.nodak.edu> To: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org, gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ftp://ftp.quntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs I think you mean, no "u" : ftp://ftp.qntm.com/pub/support/Firmware/Atlas From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 14:15:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14538 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14525; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA09151; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:56:42 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701282156.OAA09151@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas To: phk@critter.dk.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:56:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <13440.854486884@critter.dk.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jan 28, 97 10:28:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Is there any possibility of determining the firmware rev from > >software? Then when the queue full condition occurs, you could > >print a console log message that tells you to update the > >firmware.... or just print that message on a queue full, always, or > >for Quantums. > > This can be done with a tiny shell script that looks at /var/run/dmesg.boot. > > Nobody with their sanity still moderately intact would add stuff like > this to the kernel. I was thinking of the install code, not the kernel, actually. No reason a console message has to originate from the kernel (syslog, et al.). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 28 20:21:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07253 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07233; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (wck-ca5-17.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.177]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA15873; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:20:16 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA10298; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:20:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:20:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701290420.UAA10298@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com CC: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199701281809.KAA22006@narnia.plutotech.com> (gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * as the didn't mention it directly for the Atlas either, it may be that they * fixed the same problem for the Atlas-II as well. The URL is: Thanks, but which file should I get? The Atlas-II/LXY4 directory doesn't contain any instructions, and has three files: D5gnlxy4.fup Dagnlxy4.fup Dkgnlxy4.fup I have no idea what they mean. ;) Satoshi (I have a 4GB Ultra-Wide Atlas II, by the way) From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 29 01:07:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA20719 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA20695; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.dk.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0vpVyV-0003wwC; Wed, 29 Jan 97 01:06 PST Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter-home [193.162.32.19]) by schizo.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14640; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:06:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA14147; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:07:43 +0100 (MET) To: Terry Lambert cc: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:56:42 MST." <199701282156.OAA09151@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:07:42 +0100 Message-ID: <14145.854528862@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199701282156.OAA09151@phaeton.artisoft.com>, Terry Lambert writes: >> >Is there any possibility of determining the firmware rev from >> >software? Then when the queue full condition occurs, you could >> >print a console log message that tells you to update the >> >firmware.... or just print that message on a queue full, always, or >> >for Quantums. >> >> This can be done with a tiny shell script that looks at /var/run/dmesg.boot. >> >> Nobody with their sanity still moderately intact would add stuff like >> this to the kernel. > >I was thinking of the install code, not the kernel, actually. No >reason a console message has to originate from the kernel (syslog, et al.). Come on Terry, why not just admit you blew it... There's no way you can claim that "...when the queue full condition occurs, ..." would or could refer to the install program... But by all means suggest it to the linux camp, they seem to love that kind of trash in their kernel. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 29 09:34:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11431 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11406; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA12138; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:15:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701291715.KAA12138@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas To: phk@critter.dk.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:15:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <14145.854528862@critter.dk.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jan 29, 97 10:07:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> >Is there any possibility of determining the firmware rev from > >> >software? Then when the queue full condition occurs, you could > >> >print a console log message that tells you to update the > >> >firmware.... or just print that message on a queue full, always, or > >> >for Quantums. > >> > >> This can be done with a tiny shell script that looks at /var/run/dmesg.boot. > >> > >> Nobody with their sanity still moderately intact would add stuff like > >> this to the kernel. > > > >I was thinking of the install code, not the kernel, actually. No > >reason a console message has to originate from the kernel (syslog, et al.). > > Come on Terry, why not just admit you blew it... > > There's no way you can claim that "...when the queue full condition > occurs, ..." would or could refer to the install program... "When the queue full condition occurs" is an event, regardless of where it is handled. The even should trigger a user interaction causing an upgrade to take place at install time, before the error can damage real data stored on the disk. The event is triggerable with user space code operating on the raw disk device before a disklabel has been applied. I exchanged email with Justin T. Gibbs discussing a user space implementation of rogue handling which predates your admonition. Justin, btw. favors kernel space handling because he has globbing in the SCSI code for exactly that sort of thing already; I was not aware the globbing was there, and so advocated user space code to him. Contact Justin if you don't believe me. > But by all means suggest it to the linux camp, they seem to love that > kind of trash in their kernel. Not to justify a kernel implementation, but how many people, relatively speaking, run Linux instead of FreeBSD for reasons of Linux's ease-of-use vs. purity tradeoffs? Anything which works is better than anything that doesn't. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 29 12:14:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18665 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18625; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id aa26576; 29 Jan 97 20:13 +0000 To: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:15:23 MST." <199701291715.KAA12138@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:13:11 +0000 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9701292013.aa26576@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Where message about queue full should go]. I'd suggest it gets put in the FAQ or handbook now, before people start asking about it. If there is some sort of pointer to the FAQ when the problem crops up all the better. (But then again I could be wrong...) David. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 29 13:19:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21936 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21931; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA17426; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:01:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701292101.OAA17426@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas To: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:01:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9701292013.aa26576@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> from "David Malone" at Jan 29, 97 08:13:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [Where message about queue full should go]. > > I'd suggest it gets put in the FAQ or handbook now, > before people start asking about it. If there is some > sort of pointer to the FAQ when the problem crops up > all the better. > > (But then again I could be wrong...) Subscribe to -questions for a while. A FAQ is a useful resource, but it is not the same as a preemptive fix. Especially for a problem that can result in lost data. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 29 23:23:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25515 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25510; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (wck-ca6-07.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.199]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA18162; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:22:20 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA00996; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:22:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:22:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701300722.XAA00996@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199701290420.UAA10298@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> (asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Subject: Re: Aic7xxx driver instability with the Quantum Atlas From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Thanks, but which file should I get? The Atlas-II/LXY4 directory doesn't * contain any instructions, and has three files: * * D5gnlxy4.fup * Dagnlxy4.fup * Dkgnlxy4.fup A followup on this. I downloaded all three, and the dsp.exe program (picked up from "Atlas" directory) claimed they are for XP27275S, XP34550S, and XP39100S, in that order. These are 2.2GB, 4.5GB, 9.0GB versions of narrow Atlas-IIs. I couldn't find anything for my 4.5GB wide Atlas-II (even in the LXQ1 or LXY1 directories). Satoshi (sniff) From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 30 10:07:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22744 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunasci.informador.com.mx (sunasci.infored.com.mx [200.13.66.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22736 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from felipe@localhost) by sunasci.informador.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01523; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:08:31 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:08:31 +0000 () From: Felipe Rivera Marquez To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Upgrading from the source tree In-Reply-To: <199701291839.KAA14284@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there. My question: I've just used cvsup to bring 2.1.6-STABLE source tree. I'm now using 2.1.5-RELEASE. Is it possible to make all and then install the whole thing without problems?? -kernel, binaries, etc-?? Thanx! !!YO NO FUI!! From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 31 07:21:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26789 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 07:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bcc01.burton-computer.com (bcc01.burton-computer.com [207.79.89.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26784; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 07:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from bcc01.burton-computer.com (localhost.burton-computer.com [127.0.0.1]) by bcc01.burton-computer.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA02074; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:21:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32F1FFE5.237C228A@burton-computer.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:21:25 -0500 From: Brian Burton Organization: Burton Computer Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.6.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: sendmail 8.8.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are there any plans by the FreeBSD team to update FreeBSD 2.1.6-stable to use sendmail 8.8.5 in the light of the latest cert advisories? Thanks, ++Brian -- Brian Burton Burton Computer Corp. brian@burton-computer.com 14315 National Highway Suite 340 "This space intentionally left blank." La Vale, MD 21502 From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 31 09:02:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01064 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01057; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from devnull (devnull.calweb.com [208.131.56.69]) by mail.calweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01671; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970131085803.00990310@pop.calweb.com> Warning: Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) will be returned to send in bulk X-Sender: jfesler@pop.calweb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:59:57 -0800 To: Brian Burton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Jason Fesler Subject: Re: sendmail 8.8.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:21 AM 1/31/97 -0500, Brian Burton wrote: >Are there any plans by the FreeBSD team to update FreeBSD 2.1.6-stable >to use sendmail 8.8.5 in the light of the latest cert advisories? Or even better, not to include sendmail at all :-) but to instead grab the current version, and "sh makesendmail", and then merely bring in the FreeBSD sample config files? It seems that nearly every single version of Sendmail that's been released, was due to a security flaw that could lead to root access.. (I hate upgrading even more so than most.. we have a handful of hacks that I have to migrate on every release, for internal security/logging as well as for some workarounds to new sendmail 8.8 behaviors wrt to reading hostnames off of the ethernet device..) -- Jason Fesler jfesler@calweb.com Internic: 'whois jf319' Admin, CalWeb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com Junk email returned, in bulk, back to sender; w/copies to all postmasters. You got junk mail problems? Use Eudora Pro, MSIE's mail, or 'man procmail'. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 31 14:01:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14792 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (jetcafe.org [207.155.21.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14785; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09926; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:01:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701312201.OAA09926@kachina.jetcafe.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kachina.jetcafe.org: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail 8.8.5 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:01:16 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jason Fesler writes: > At 09:21 AM 1/31/97 -0500, Brian Burton wrote: > >Are there any plans by the FreeBSD team to update FreeBSD 2.1.6-stable > >to use sendmail 8.8.5 in the light of the latest cert advisories? > Or even better, not to include sendmail at all :-) but to instead grab the > current version, and "sh makesendmail", and then merely bring in the > FreeBSD sample config files? Hear hear. In fact, abstracting even further, is there any way to do this with arbitrary packages (like PERL5, Tk, etc.) so that one has the option of NOT installing the outdated versions of stuff in the "packages" collection? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A man appointed to be judge has been killed without a knife. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 31 14:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16477 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bofh.noc.best.net (rone@bofh.noc.best.net [205.149.163.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16469 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rone@localhost) by bofh.noc.best.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA16398 for stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Echeverri Message-Id: <199701312237.OAA16398@bofh.noc.best.net> Subject: Re: sendmail 8.8.5 In-Reply-To: <199701312201.OAA09926@kachina.jetcafe.org> from Dave Hayes at "Jan 31, 97 02:01:16 pm" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Hayes writes: Hear hear. In fact, abstracting even further, is there any way to do this with arbitrary packages (like PERL5, Tk, etc.) so that one has the option of NOT installing the outdated versions of stuff in the "packages" collection? How about keeping up with ports-current with cvsup? rone -- Ron Echeverri Best Internet Usenet Administration rone@best.net ============================================================================ All bribes cheerfully accepted. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 31 17:35:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27317 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27305 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id PAA28631; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:34:48 -1001 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:34:48 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199702010135.PAA28631@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Ron Echeverri "Re: sendmail 8.8.5" (Jan 31, 2:37pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Ron Echeverri , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail 8.8.5 Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } } Dave Hayes writes: } Hear hear. In fact, abstracting even further, is there any way to do } this with arbitrary packages (like PERL5, Tk, etc.) so that one has } the option of NOT installing the outdated versions of stuff in the } "packages" collection? } } How about keeping up with ports-current with cvsup? } But -current isn't meant to be mainstream. Since the various packages are beyond the control of FreeBSD it would be nice if there was an automated way to get just the latest versions and leave the older stuff behind. Richard