From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 4 03:05:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15914 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 03:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15909; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 03:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id GAA01294; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:06:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970304055400.009cde50@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 05:54:00 -0500 To: Doug White From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: is -O2 -m486 -pipe safe ? Cc: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970303100950.00944180@sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:26 PM 3/03/97 -0800, Doug White wrote: >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> >> I am going to upgrade our 2.1.5 FreeBSD news machine to 2.1.7 by >> downloading the new src tree and doing a make world with those options.... >> Is it safe to do, or should I stick with with regular -O for optimzations... > >Why not just run the 'upgrade' procedure from sysinstall? Or is there a >directive to use ``make all install'' and not this? > >FreeBSD Upgrade Checklist: Hi, Thanks for the response... I dont want to use the standard upgrade method because a)I have read a few people have had problems with the 2.1.7 upgrade taking serveral tries before working. This is a production machine that I cant have down for an "unknown" length of time with reboots and potentially tape backup restores b)Although its a production machine, I would sort of like to use it as a general test to upgrading our main server. Also, if I can compile with optimizations, and I can get a bit of a performance boost out of it then great. Its a pentium and the -m486 and -HAVE_FPU should in theory help for some of our apps... There is at least one user who runs some FP transformations on occasion. I have tried this method on my home machine, and it 'seemd' to work. However, its the first time I did a make world, and I couldnt find much documentation on it... Any idea where I can find more docs on the process ? Again, the procedure I followed was 1) Slurp down the src from ftp.freebsd.org in FreeBSD-stable/src 2) moved my old /usr/src to /usr/src.old and untared the stable src to /usr/src 3) did a make world in /usr/src 4) did a make install 5) went to /usr/src/sys/i386/conf and did a config, and recompiled and make install 6) did a reboot and all "seems" fine... But I am worried I missing anything here... I guess also, I would like to move to CSV style updates... Apart from the man pages, are there any extra docs on it? Thanks, ---Mike ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 4 08:51:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA29917 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29892; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09198; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:50:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id KAA03199; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:50:35 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703041650.KAA03199@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: SOLVED: 2.1.7 and Tripwire ftruncate() fun To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 10:50:34 CST Cc: agifford@infowest.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, craigs@os.com In-Reply-To: <2586.856830858@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 24, 97 04:34:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Upon rebuilding Tripwire and reinstalling it, all appears to be working well! > > Great, now if we could just get you to make a *port* of this, all that > wonderful special-case knowledge would be encapsulated in a nice, easy > to swallow pill for the less wizardly among us. :-) I wrote a port for this a while back, and posted a note about its existence a month ago or so. (Where do I go with it from here?) ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/tripwire.tgz Woo hoo! Make sure to look at the Makefile to note a bit of install-time magic that you can have it do for you, if you're lazy like me. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 4 11:41:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10831 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10818; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA22066; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:41:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Mike Tancsa cc: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is -O2 -m486 -pipe safe ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970304055400.009cde50@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > a)I have read a few people have had problems with the 2.1.7 upgrade taking > serveral tries before working. This is a production machine that I cant > have down for an "unknown" length of time with reboots and potentially tape > backup restores I've heard that from the people doing 'make world's. :) Never a prob with the standard upgrade procedure. > b)Although its a production machine, I would sort of like to use it as a > general test to upgrading our main server. Also, if I can compile with > optimizations, and I can get a bit of a performance boost out of it then > great. Its a pentium and the -m486 and -HAVE_FPU should in theory help > for some of our apps... There is at least one user who runs some FP > transformations on occasion. OK, I'll buy that. > I have tried this method on my home machine, and it 'seemd' to work. > However, its the first time I did a make world, and I couldnt find much > documentation on it... Any idea where I can find more docs on the process ? Consult hackers@freebsd.org, they're the ones responsible for making sure everything works. > 3) did a make world in /usr/src I've heard 'make all install' but I've never done this. > I guess also, I would like to move to CSV style updates... Apart from the > man pages, are there any extra docs on it? CVSup has a section in the Handbook. If Sup is running fine then you run a prog to convert your existing supfile to cvsup format, and you're off and running. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 4 13:11:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16035 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16030; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA10874; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:11:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970304155904.00a24d30@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 15:59:04 -0500 To: Doug White From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: is -O2 -m486 -pipe safe ? Cc: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970304055400.009cde50@sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:41 AM 3/04/97 -0800, Doug White wrote: >On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> a)I have read a few people have had problems with the 2.1.7 upgrade taking >> serveral tries before working. This is a production machine that I cant >> have down for an "unknown" length of time with reboots and potentially tape >> backup restores > >I've heard that from the people doing 'make world's. :) Never a prob >with the standard upgrade procedure. Actually, I have read of problems in the news groups... With it crashing at random points during the install... (e.g. Message-Id: <5ek98q$lsd$3@nntp2.ba.best.com>) >> 3) did a make world in /usr/src > >I've heard 'make all install' but I've never done this. It seems to have been mentioned a few times in the lists.... But I am not sure of the difference. However, the build order seems to be different, doing the libs first and so on. ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 4 18:12:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09775 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mh1.cts.com (root@mh1.cts.com [205.163.24.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09767 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from io.cts.com (io.cts.com [198.68.174.34]) by mh1.cts.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17303 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mdavis@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA26845 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199703050212.SAA26845@io.cts.com> Subject: Re: Random dives out of make world To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:12:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199702282115.NAA24625@io.cts.com> from Morgan Davis at "Feb 28, 97 01:15:23 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For those who've been following this thread... At one time I wrote: > Before totally giving up and RMA'ing the motherboard, there was one > last BIOS item I decided to change: Internal CPU cache. I disabled it > and started the make world process. This has effectively turned the > computer into a 286, as "make world" has been running for almost 12 > hours now and it's only in "libc". But, it hasn't crashed! So, maybe > it's just a bad CPU. I've got a replacement to try on Monday. This turned out the be the culprit: a bad CPU. Replaced it with with another Pentium 120 yesterday, built 'world' and a new kernel simultaneously and successfully in 5 hours. All is well. --Morgan From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 4 19:49:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20096 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20090; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:49:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA01639; Tue, 4 Mar 97 20:49:02 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA29120; Tue, 4 Mar 97 20:49:00 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703050349.AA29120@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: a2ps port/package To: jmz@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:48:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I downloaded the a2ps package in the 2.1.7 tree and found that it would only print to standard out. This isn't the way I've grown used to it behaving, so I pulled the package and rebuilt it. Same behavior. A little investigation revealed that the string "-DLPR_PRINT" got dropped out of the CFLAGS in the Makefile. I don't know if you did that on purpose, but I prefer it to be in there. Now to figure out why it doesn't do "bold" in man pages... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 4 21:13:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23882 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23876; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA02093; Tue, 4 Mar 97 22:13:14 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA29197; Tue, 4 Mar 97 22:13:12 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703050513.AA29197@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: a2ps port fixes To: jmz@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:13:10 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The reason a2ps does not correctly interpret "bold" in a man page (with the "-m" option) is that the FreeBSD supplied nroff only overstrikes bold text once. Apparently the author(s) of a2ps are on a machine that overstikes twice. This meant the test for strings with embedded back-space characters was failing. When I fixed that, it broke underlining. I hate it when that happens. Anyway, attached are context diffs for the consolidated fixes. Works for FreeBSD, but now might be broken for other implementations of nroff. Perhaps someone would like to get back to the original authors and suggest style of overstrike strings being tested for be made some "#define" option. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** a2ps.c.orig 1997/03/05 03:26:54 1.2 --- a2ps.c 1997/03/05 04:57:25 *************** *** 732,739 **** /* * This routine buffers a line of input, release one character at a time * or a whole sequence of characters with some meaning like bold sequences ! * produced by nroff (no others sequences are recognized by the moment): ! * <\b><\b><\b> */ int mygetc(statusp) --- 732,740 ---- /* * This routine buffers a line of input, release one character at a time * or a whole sequence of characters with some meaning like bold sequences ! * or underlining produced by nroff. ! * <\b> ! * <_><\b> */ int mygetc(statusp) *************** *** 761,780 **** if (buffer[curr+1] != '\b') /* this is not a special sequence */ return buffer[curr++]; /* Check if it is a bold sequence */ ! c = buffer[curr++]; ! if (c == buffer[curr+1] && ! buffer[curr] == buffer[curr+2] && ! c == buffer[curr+3] && ! buffer[curr] == buffer[curr+4] && ! c == buffer[curr+5]) { *statusp = IS_BOLD; ! curr += 6; } ! ! /* Return the first character of the sequence */ ! return c; } /* --- 762,778 ---- if (buffer[curr+1] != '\b') /* this is not a special sequence */ return buffer[curr++]; + /* check if we're underlining */ + if (buffer[curr] == '_') + return buffer[curr++]; + /* Check if it is a bold sequence */ ! if ((c = buffer[curr]) == buffer[curr+2]) { *statusp = IS_BOLD; ! curr += 3; } ! return c; /* Return the first character of the sequence */ } /* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 5 09:53:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00314 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00275 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00360; Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:55:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:55:30 +0100 Message-Id: <9703051755.AA00360@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: chad@anasazi.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9703050513.AA29197@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Re: a2ps port fixes X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks, I will commit your changes. Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 5 10:07:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01724 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01716 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19768; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:06:35 GMT Message-ID: <19970305180635.49003@pavilion.net> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:06:35 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: /stand Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anybody tell me what file should live in /stand? What's it for by the way? Joe -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager Email: joe@pavilion.net Pavilion Internet plc. [Tel: +44 1273 607072 Fax: +44 1273 607073] From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 5 16:38:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25671 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25660 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA15826; Wed, 5 Mar 97 17:38:19 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA00988; Wed, 5 Mar 97 17:38:17 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703060038.AA00988@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Concatenated Disks To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:38:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: ronr@ds9.anasazi.com (Ron Rickard) Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a system that is running 2.1.7-RELEASE, and I have five 1GB disk drives. I want to use the drives as the spool space for an INN news server, but I'd rather not have to handle multiple mount point issues. I've read the man pages for ccd(4) and ccdconfig(8), and the code for the kernel driver. Looks like just what I need. Before I dive in to trying to set this up, can anyone give me some advice about concatenated disks? Is this all known to work? Including mirroring and/or RAID5 parity? What's the maximum size of a concatenated disk? What's the maximum size of a filesystem? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 5 17:27:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28975 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28963 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA08276; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:57:01 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703060127.LAA08276@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Concatenated Disks In-Reply-To: <9703060038.AA00988@chad.anasazi.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Mar 5, 97 05:38:16 pm" To: chad@anasazi.com Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:57:00 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, ronr@ds9.anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chad R. Larson stands accused of saying: > > I've read the man pages for ccd(4) and ccdconfig(8), and the code for > the kernel driver. Looks like just what I need. It does a pretty good job, but a farm of disks like that alone won't give you sizzling news performance. Depending on what you actually want, you might want to research the writings of Joe Greco on the toping in the hackers mailing list archive (hit the FreeBSD web pages for this). > Before I dive in to trying to set this up, can anyone give me some > advice about concatenated disks? Is this all known to work? Including > mirroring and/or RAID5 parity? What's the maximum size of a > concatenated disk? What's the maximum size of a filesystem? The 'ccd' driver supports mirroring and concatenation (striping). It does not do parity, or any of the other performance-degrading things that higher RAID levels do; the only way to do those properly is in hardware, and if they actually mean much to you, RAID hardware is fairly cheap. As for size, Satoshi (the guy that integrated the 'ccd' driver from NetBSD) has a farm well into the hundreds of GB (last I saw, could be bigger now) running as a single filesystem. > Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 5 18:45:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04614 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04601 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA29945; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:43:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from wck-ca7-19.ix.netcom.com(204.31.231.51) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029900; Wed Mar 5 20:43:10 1997 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA03411; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:43:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:43:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703060243.SAA03411@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au CC: chad@anasazi.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, ronr@ds9.anasazi.com In-reply-to: <199703060127.LAA08276@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> (message from Michael Smith on Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:57:00 +1030 (CST)) Subject: Re: Concatenated Disks From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * From: Michael Smith * As for size, Satoshi (the guy that integrated the 'ccd' driver from NetBSD) * has a farm well into the hundreds of GB (last I saw, could be bigger now) * running as a single filesystem. I'm not running that daily, as our research group decided to use Solaris. :( But I have seen a df output of a 200GB filesystem, so it's doable. BTW, Chad has only 5 disks so this won't be an issue, but for others out there, if you want to connect more than 32 disks, don't forget you'll need the latest MAKEDEV and sys/disklabel.h (either of current 2.2 or 3.0 will do). Satoshi From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 5 20:10:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09200 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.hiwaay.net (max19-74.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.74]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09190; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nexgen.hiwaay.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA07798; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:10:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703060410.WAA07798@nexgen.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: chad@anasazi.com cc: jmz@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: a2ps port/package In-reply-to: Message from chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) of "Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:48:59 MST." <9703050349.AA29120@chad.anasazi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:10:12 -0600 Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chad R. Larson writes: > > I downloaded the a2ps package in the 2.1.7 tree and found that it would > only print to standard out. This isn't the way I've grown used to it > behaving, so I pulled the package and rebuilt it. Same behavior. Actually, I like it the way it is, it retains the "tool" nature of Unix where one builds on other tools to arrive at the goal. If one throws ASCII at a printer then it should know how to convert to PS if needed. If one throws PS at a printer it should know what to do with that. When I first read the a2ps docs my first thought was to find a way to defeat the automatic pipe to lpr. But then I found the FreeBSD port already didn't pipe to the printer and was happy. Meanwhile I've found the FreeBSD patched port compiles perfectly on Sun and SGI systems... :-) I like the requirement that one explicitly do something extra to get output to the printer rather than an automatic action. Recently a "man -t something" on a Solaris system really bugged me because output went directly to the printer. Never did figure out how to intercept the output. I was bugged because the printer couldn't handle Postscript. Yet. I was looking to generate a Postscript file to play with Ghostscript. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 5 20:49:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10977 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from wopr.ml.org (MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.21.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10971; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hunt@localhost) by wopr.ml.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21244; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:49:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:49:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703060449.XAA21244@wopr.ml.org> From: Matthew Hunt To: dkelly@hiwaay.net Cc: chad@anasazi.com, jmz@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a2ps port/package In-Reply-To: <199703060410.WAA07798@nexgen.hiwaay.net> References: <9703050349.AA29120@chad.anasazi.com> <199703060410.WAA07798@nexgen.hiwaay.net> Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > Actually, I like it the way it is, it retains the "tool" nature of Unix > where one builds on other tools to arrive at the goal. If one throws ASCII I agree with this sentiment; likewise, I do not like that dvips prints by default in the FreeBSD port of teTeX. I generally print my files from a machine other than the one on which I generate PostScript. When I think of programs like "a2ps" and "dvips", I think of tools for producing PostScript; when I see "lpr", I think of printing. And these are usually two different tasks for me. -- Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. finger hunt@mph124.rh.psu.edu for PGP public key. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 6 00:23:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03720 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03701; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA11827; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:22:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: Pierre Omidyar X-Sender: pierre@shellx.best.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: new stable aic7xxx.c ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, We are running the release version of 2.1.7-RELEASE. We just did a cvsup for stable again, and retrieved several new files, including a new version of aic7xxx.c (and other assorted files): $Id: aic7xxx.c,v 1.29.2.32 1997/02/25 03:54:28 gibbs Exp $ Is this intended as an actual 2.1.7-STABLE addition? The reason I ask is that we have been plagued with numerous "timed out while idle" messages and freezes or panics ever since moving from 2.1.5 to 2.1.7. We have an Adaptec 2940UW hooked up to several Quantum Atlas drives (current rev of 915L). A few other sites have reported similar problems since moving from 2.1.5 to 2.1.7. And, the problem seems worse the more drives are on the SCSI bus. (We previously sent a more detailed description of what we were seeing to freebsd-stable.) Anyway, my hope is that this new version of the adaptec-related scsi drivers are intended to address this problem. But, we are aware that some files may make it into the cvsup-able stable distribution prior to their intended release, and I wanted to check here since I hadn't seen these changes mentioned on this list. (cc'd to freebsd-scsi as well, and apologies if this has been covered there previously.) Thanks for any help you may be able to offer. Regards, Pierre From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 6 10:46:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03612 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03604 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA04803; Thu, 6 Mar 97 11:45:55 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA02712; Thu, 6 Mar 97 11:45:53 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703061845.AA02712@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Re: a2ps port/package To: dkelly@hiwaay.net Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:45:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703060410.WAA07798@nexgen.hiwaay.net> from "dkelly@hiwaay.net" at Mar 5, 97 10:10:12 pm Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > When I first read the a2ps docs my first thought was to find a way to > defeat the automatic pipe to lpr. Well, the -nP switch forces output to stdout. Either way you build it, you can accomplish what you need. What we're really talking about is what behavior is the most often used, and then make that the one that takes the least typing. On our systems, the postscript/text issues are dealt with within the spooler (like you say it should be). So we don't use a2ps as the filter to run a PostScript printer, we use it for its page formatting abilities. And that means the tail end of a pipe involving a2ps almost always involves "lpr". We use -nP if we want to capture the output in a file, or run it through a page selection filter. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 6 13:11:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11828 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com (hil-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11822 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA02528; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:11:09 -0500 Date: 06 Mar 97 16:09:00 EST From: Berend de Boer <100120.3121@CompuServe.COM> To: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: a2ps port/package Message-ID: <970306210859_100120.3121_EHU62-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I do not like that dvips prints by default in the FreeBSD > port of teTeX. I don't like that too. On every platform I know of it didn't. Groetjes, Berend. From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 8 03:50:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA07687 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 03:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.NL.net (ns.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA07667; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 03:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from stuyts by ns.NL.net (5.65b/NLnet1.3) id AA08709; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:46:41 +0100 Received: from daneel (daneel.stuyts.nl [193.78.231.7]) by terminus.stuyts.nl (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA08495; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:45:46 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199703081145.MAA08495@terminus.stuyts.nl> Received: by daneel (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA09993; Sat, 8 Mar 97 12:43:38 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ben Stuyts Date: Sat, 8 Mar 97 12:43:36 +0100 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Are multi-session cdrom's supported? Reply-To: ben@stuyts.nl Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've asked this twice on freebsd-questions but got no response. Maybe somebody here can tell me? BTW, I've also tried this on 2.1.6-stable with a Sony SCSI cd-rom with the same results. Begin forwarded message: Hi, I just appended a second session to a CDR. I wrote the CDR under Win95 with Gear 4 software on a Philips CDD2600 drive. The same drive is now being used to read the CDR under FreeBSD 2.2 gamma, ctm 189. I am unable to read the second session under FreeBSD; I can only see the data from the first session. However, df shows that the disc has the correct amount of data on it. du on the mount point only shows the data for the first session. I tried mounting /dev/cd0a and /dev/cd0c. No difference. I can read the second session correctly under Win95 and WinNT. Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong or doesn't FreeBSD support multi-session cdrom's, or is this a bug? Thanks, Ben