From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 13 11:49:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18590 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (root@freebee.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.193.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18585 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (isdn082.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.240.82]) by freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA29039; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:48:58 +0200 Received: (from rmike@localhost) by dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00798; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:53:32 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:53:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Ranner Reply-To: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at To: Guido van Rooij cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS: Problem with portmap (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199704111816.UAA07762@gvr.win.tue.nl> Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Guido van Rooij wrote: > > I like to mount a FreeBSD partition from several PC's. Now I have some > > problems: I have NOT choosen "NFS Server" at installation time and so I > > tried to turn on the NFS server in /etc/sysconfig. nfsd and mountd are > > both running. I have also installed rpc.pcnfsd. But the problem occures in > > conjunction with portmap. > > > > If I try to run "rpcinfo -b nfs 2" I get a error message like this: > > > > portmap["pid"] ... callit(nfs) request not forwarded > > > > (Sorry for the unaccurate error message, I don't sit in front of the > > machine at the moment) > > > > I will also get this message, if any of the PC's tries to search for an > > NFS server. > > > > I but you are suing the FTP inc software. It behaves badly in that it uses > the proxy code in portmap to do requests. This has been disabled in FreeBSD > because it opens up sever security holes. > > You should get pcnfs or something like that. That means, if I run the nfs client software from FTP Software, I will get this problem, right? I have to check this, but I think you are right. It is possible, that the error on "rpcinfo -b nfs 2" (even on localhost) only appears after a mount from the FTP inc client. I rebooted the machine and tried "rpcinfo -b nfs 2" and there was no error message, but there was no try to mount from the PC before. /\/\ichael Ranner - rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/ . . + + . - - - - - ----* . . + Where there's foo, there's fire! From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 13 11:53:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18818 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18804 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from guido@localhost) by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.8.5/8.8.2) id UAA15714; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:53:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Guido van Rooij Message-Id: <199704131853.UAA15714@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: NFS: Problem with portmap (fwd) In-Reply-To: from Michael Ranner at "Apr 13, 97 11:53:31 am" To: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:53:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Ranner wrote: > > That means, if I run the nfs client software from FTP Software, I will > get this problem, right? I have to check this, but I think you are right. > There should be some option not to use callit. The FTP software uses a rather intrusive method to check for NFS servers on a LAN. > It is possible, that the error on "rpcinfo -b nfs 2" (even on localhost) > only appears after a mount from the FTP inc client. I rebooted the > machine and tried "rpcinfo -b nfs 2" and there was no error message, but > there was no try to mount from the PC before. I don;t really know.. -Guido From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 13 14:02:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24050 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24045 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id LAA03487; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:00:39 -1000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:00:39 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199704132100.LAA03487@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Michael Ranner "Re: NFS: Problem with portmap (fwd)" (Apr 13, 11:53am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at, Guido van Rooij Subject: Re: NFS: Problem with portmap (fwd) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > You should get pcnfs or something like that. } } That means, if I run the nfs client software from FTP Software, I will } get this problem, right? I have to check this, but I think you are right. } } It is possible, that the error on "rpcinfo -b nfs 2" (even on localhost) } only appears after a mount from the FTP inc client. I rebooted the } machine and tried "rpcinfo -b nfs 2" and there was no error message, but } there was no try to mount from the PC before. Check into Samba, (cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/packages*/All/samba*) it takes up less space on the pc and works quite well. I've used pcnfs a lot in the past, but I prefer Samba. Richard From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 14 11:05:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02762 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02753 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA01913; Mon, 14 Apr 97 11:05:11 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA14898; Mon, 14 Apr 97 11:05:08 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9704141805.AA14898@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Re: NFS: Problem with portmap (fwd) To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at, guido@gvr.win.tue.nl, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199704132100.LAA03487@pegasus.com> from "Richard Foulk" at Apr 13, 97 11:00:39 am Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Check into Samba, (cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/packages*/All/samba*) it takes > up less space on the pc and works quite well. > > I've used pcnfs a lot in the past, but I prefer Samba. It works ok on a small network, but since all data is sent as broadcast packets you wouldn't want to use it on a net with many machines, or over a WAN, or anywhere you paid a per-packet fee (X.25?). -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 14 11:36:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05036 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05031 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id EAA29528; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:04:13 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199704141834.EAA29528@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: NFS: Problem with portmap (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9704141805.AA14898@chad.anasazi.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Apr 14, 97 11:05:07 am" To: chad@anasazi.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:04:13 +0930 (CST) Cc: richard@pegasus.com, rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at, guido@gvr.win.tue.nl, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chad R. Larson stands accused of saying: > > Check into Samba, (cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/packages*/All/samba*) it takes > > up less space on the pc and works quite well. > > > > I've used pcnfs a lot in the past, but I prefer Samba. > > It works ok on a small network, but since all data is sent as broadcast > packets you wouldn't want to use it on a net with many machines, or over > a WAN, or anywhere you paid a per-packet fee (X.25?). Uhh, where exactly did you get the idea that Samba uses "broadcast" packets? You haven't been listening to a Sun salesdroid raving about WebNFS now have you? > Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 14 16:48:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25017 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24988 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA07415; Mon, 14 Apr 97 16:47:39 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA15379; Mon, 14 Apr 97 16:47:36 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9704142347.AA15379@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Re: NFS: Problem with portmap (fwd) To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:47:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: chad@anasazi.com, richard@pegasus.com, rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at, guido@gvr.win.tue.nl, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199704141834.EAA29528@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Apr 15, 97 04:04:13 am Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Chad R. Larson stands accused of saying: >>> Check into Samba, (cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/packages*/All/samba*) it takes >>> up less space on the pc and works quite well. >>> >>> I've used pcnfs a lot in the past, but I prefer Samba. >> >> It works ok on a small network, but since all data is sent as broadcast >> packets you wouldn't want to use it on a net with many machines, or over >> a WAN, or anywhere you paid a per-packet fee (X.25?). > > Uhh, where exactly did you get the idea that Samba uses "broadcast" packets? > > You haven't been listening to a Sun salesdroid raving about WebNFS now > have you? I stand corrected. I was confusing SAMBA with NETBUI. As long as your Win95 is bound to the TCP/IP stack (and only the TCP/IP stack) the majority of the traffic will not be broadcast. There will still be a bunch of broadcast IP traffic, as the machines announce themselves to be discovered in the neighborhood, but that is neither a function of SAMBA nor a major problem. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 15 04:24:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA04016 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Pkrw.tcn.net (Pkrw.tcn.net [199.166.4.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04009 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (krw@localhost) by Pkrw.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA04816 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:27:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Pkrw.tcn.net: krw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kenneth R. Westerback" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 2.2-STABLE src-2.2.0238 make world fails Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When I tried to make world after applying ctm/src-2.2.0238 I got the following message: ===> share/man/man4/man4.i386 [snipped some lines] make: don't know how to make ix.4. Stop. *** Error code 2 Stop. etc. ---- Ken From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 15 10:57:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25333 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (gnome.gw.cerbernet.co.uk [193.243.224.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25327 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.gnome.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28250 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:56:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704151756.SAA28250@hawk.gnome.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: kernel Inflate_error on 2.2-stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:56:55 +0100 From: Chris Stenton Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, This error just came up on my 2.2-stable machine. Any ideas what it is? Apr 15 17:53:31 hawk /kernel: Output=32 Inflate_error=8 igz.error=8 error2=0 where=182 Chris From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 15 12:01:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29714 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29693 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.69.236.50] (GATEWAY.SKIPSTONE.COM [198.214.10.129]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11730; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: 15 Apr 97 14:00:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Another archive (Italy) From: "Richard Wackerbarth" To: "Gianmarco Giovannelli" , stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 16, 1997 1:51 PM, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: >1) I am in the src-2.2 and src-cur ctm mailing list... >2) I don't know if no longer exists src-2.1 ctm. >3) I'll subscribe soon as possible ports-cur ctm mailing list Yes, ctm-src-2_1 is still active. I generate an update only once or twice a week unless someone tells me that there has been an important commit. I intend to maintain this list until 2.1 becomes totally unsupported. It is much more efficient for us to maintain an idle mailing list on majordomo than it is for everyone to keep polling to see if any changes have occurred. >Btw I am not able to make world after the last ctms. (2.2 -STABLE #239) >Any clues ? I'm just the courier. I have no idea what is in the package :-) From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 16 07:10:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA28886 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.private.com (ts06-ip22.tp.silkera.net [203.70.2.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28859 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: zerodist@tp.silkera.net Received: from tiger ([192.168.1.11]) by main.private.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07803 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:08:53 GMT Message-ID: <2F1FC3AA.20E3@tp.silkera.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:07:38 +0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: add Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 16 07:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA29116 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fty-ss20.cisco.com (fty-ss20.cisco.com [171.69.162.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29108 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fty-ss20.cisco.com (8.8.4/1.34) id OAA08779; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:13:00 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:13:00 GMT From: Frank Terhaar-Yonkers Message-Id: <199704161413.OAA08779@fty-ss20.cisco.com> To: rkw@dataplex.net Subject: Was: 2.2-GAMMA is released. 2.2 Stable status? Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Face: ,fjtWiMPydUaSQl%8[eTg`u:^BXt&T)Sny(6w\*U"5D9H[Z$kG%Q/z;Z=NwrPiXf-aMF3R) Rsand$,]26-8>5@HD(A3A79gN|0%NHsdek4mT8E,>j+\w!~d2#nH;~NV!5a0"`5$Cj8d\or(Jy/JQ_ |uc;C[filmZ(~#lre*l:|O%d/PJFy`.5w8)sMZ-)QI3TaV"j'k X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.0] Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've seen reference of late to a 2.2-stable, but must of missed any announcement. Status? Will there be a 2.1.7.x upgrade? TIA - Frank In reference to your message: >From owner-freebsd-stable@freefall.freebsd.org Wed Feb 5 20:19:41 1997 >Date: 5 Feb 97 13:21:51 -0600 >Subject: RE: 2.2-GAMMA is released >From: "Richard Wackerbarth" >To: chad@anasazi.com >Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > On Wed, Feb 5, 1997 12:32 PM, Chad R. Larson >wrote: > >>> This release, modulo any final bug fixes, is what will be released as >>> FreeBSD 2.2R at the end of February, the length of this GAMMA testing >>> cycle being approximately 20 days. >> >>Could someone please tell me the process (and timing) whereby 2.2R >>migrates to "stable"? >> >>If I keep tracking the stable tree with occasional SUP/make passes, does >>my machine magically become a 2.2 somewhere along the line? > >This becomes somewhat problematic. > >First, I, among others will yell loudly if any attempt is made to declare >2.2 "stable" before it has had an adequate shakedown after its release and >distribution. This should take some months. > >Within the CTM distribution system, I have addressed this by avoiding the >"stable" target name and instead using "2.1" and "2.2" to reference the >particular distributions. > >Just as Jordan is now using a symbolic link to reference the 2.2-gamma >distribution, >I advocate that stable similarly become a pseudo target. That way >individuals can choose when they wish to transition from 2.1 to 2.2 or can >expect a massive update to occur at some unpredictable time when the link >is properly moved to reflect the status of the 2.2 release. > > > > > \\\\////\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\ Frank Terhaar-Yonkers Cisco Systems, Inc. Engineering Services, W2 F3 5 7025 Kit Creek Road PO Box 14987 Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 fty@cisco.com voice (919)472-2101 FAX (919)472-2940 pager (800)796-7363 pin 1008366 -or- fty@airnote.net From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 16 12:36:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16155 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pythagoras.uncanny.net (pythagoras.LEVER.COM [140.174.20.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16104 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pythagoras.uncanny.net (localhost.UNCANNY.NET [127.0.0.1]) by pythagoras.uncanny.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA12496 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704161936.MAA12496@pythagoras.uncanny.net> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -stable from CVS repository? Reply-to: ee@uncanny.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:36:30 -0700 From: Edward Elhauge Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to switch from cvsuping the -stable and -current releases to cvsuping the CVS repository. So far so good? Now I've gone on to extract the -stable release using the command: cvs -Q checkout -r RELENG_2_1_7_RELEASE -d src-temp world When I then do a diff between the -stable directory and the directory I've created under src-temp I find several minor changes between the files in the two directory hierarchies. 1) My question is how to extract the -stable release from the CVS repository? 2) Also how do I know which tags exist in a repository? Right now I just examine a Makefile and take a look at the tags that exist in it. Is there a better way? -- Edward Elhauge | | "God not only plays dice, Lever Industries | ee@uncanny.net | He sometimes throws the dice where they San Francisco | | cannot be seen." -- Steven Hawkings From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 16 13:25:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26439 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26428 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.69.236.50] (GATEWAY.SKIPSTONE.COM [198.214.10.129]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15027; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: 16 Apr 97 15:25:38 -0500 Subject: Re: -stable from CVS repository? From: "Richard Wackerbarth" To: ee@uncanny.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 16, 1997 2:36 PM, Edward Elhauge wrote: >I am trying to switch from cvsuping the -stable and -current releases to >cvsuping the CVS repository. So far so good? > >Now I've gone on to extract the -stable release using the command: > cvs -Q checkout -r RELENG_2_1_7_RELEASE -d src-temp world > >When I then do a diff between the -stable directory and the directory I've >created under src-temp I find several minor changes between the files in the >two directory hierarchies. That is because 2.1.7-RELEASE is not the same as "-stable". The 2.1 branch continues to have a few changes from time to time. >1) My question is how to extract the -stable release from the CVS repository? You need to use the RELENG_2_1_0 (we won't discuss WHY that is the name you need) >2) Also how do I know which tags exist in a repository? Right now I just >examine a Makefile and take a look at the tags that exist in it. Is there a >better way? I don't know of one. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 16 17:34:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17823 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17796 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07515; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704170033.RAA07515@austin.polstra.com> To: ee@uncanny.net Subject: Re: -stable from CVS repository? Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <199704161936.MAA12496@pythagoras.uncanny.net> References: <199704161936.MAA12496@pythagoras.uncanny.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:33:45 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199704161936.MAA12496@pythagoras.uncanny.net>, Edward Elhauge wrote: > I am trying to switch from cvsuping the -stable and -current releases to > cvsuping the CVS repository. So far so good? > > Now I've gone on to extract the -stable release using the command: > cvs -Q checkout -r RELENG_2_1_7_RELEASE -d src-temp world > > When I then do a diff between the -stable directory and the directory I've > created under src-temp I find several minor changes between the files in the > two directory hierarchies. Richard already answered most of this. I'll just mention that you should add the "-P" flag to your cvs checkout command, or you'll get some extra files that don't really belong in -stable. Subsequently, when you do "cvs update" commands, add both "-P" and "-d". John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 16 23:00:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10796 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from serf.xlrn.ucsb.edu (serf.xlrn.ucsb.edu [128.111.170.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10785 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by serf.xlrn.ucsb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20202; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew M Groener To: John Polstra cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -stable from CVS repository? In-Reply-To: <199704170033.RAA07515@austin.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, John Polstra wrote: >In article <199704161936.MAA12496@pythagoras.uncanny.net>, >Edward Elhauge wrote: >> I am trying to switch from cvsuping the -stable and -current releases to >> cvsuping the CVS repository. So far so good? >> >> Now I've gone on to extract the -stable release using the command: >> cvs -Q checkout -r RELENG_2_1_7_RELEASE -d src-temp world >> >> When I then do a diff between the -stable directory and the directory I've >> created under src-temp I find several minor changes between the files in the >> two directory hierarchies. > An email ago, someone indicated a lack of naming logic to the RELENG strings (sorry I don't remember who now). Any word on a current listing of these strings, bad format or no? Thanks, -matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Matthew M. Groener, Systems Manager Phone: (805) 893-4906 U of C Santa Barbara Extension Pager: (805) 882-6170 matt@xlrn.ucsb.edu http://www.xlrn.ucsb.edu Fax: (805) 893-4943 ------------ "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 18 09:56:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17634 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17607 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA17976 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:56:15 -0700 (PDT) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:56:15 -0700 Message-ID: <17971.861382575@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The -stable branch seems to be ticking along still, something which I think is *good* since many customers of 2.1.7 still need a place to go for the critical bug fixes and -stable is a fine place to get them from, but I'm wondering if Yet Another Release along that branch (and I'm going to wise up and stop referring to anything on this branch as "the last release" :-) would be merited. This release would _not_ be done on CD since Walnut Creek CDROM is starting to accumulate too many FreeBSD CD products (yes, there are more coming out soon with things like CDE and AcceleratedX 3.1 on them) and I think they want to focus on 3-4 main titles. There are also the subscription customers to think of who probably don't want to start getting 2 CDs every 4 months. Anyway, given that proviso, what do those who are still running 2.1.x think of this? Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 18 10:30:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19941 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from barrow.uwaterloo.ca (sgkruk@barrow.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19893 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sgkruk@localhost) by barrow.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04892 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:29:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Serge G. Kruk" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? In-Reply-To: <17971.861382575@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: [...] > Anyway, given that proviso, what do those who are still running 2.1.x > think of this? > > Jordan I'm using 2.1 but already have a server on 2.2. If 2.2 proves stable enough for me in the next month or so, I'll switch every server to 2.2. Therefore the answer, for me, depends on how stable will 2.2 prove to be. For now everything seems in great shape and I don't think I'll need another 2.1. Serge From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 18 17:18:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15733 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15728 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA29582; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? In-Reply-To: <17971.861382575@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > The -stable branch seems to be ticking along still, something which I > think is *good* since many customers of 2.1.7 still need a place to go > for the critical bug fixes and -stable is a fine place to get them > from, but I'm wondering if Yet Another Release along that branch (and > I'm going to wise up and stop referring to anything on this branch as > "the last release" :-) would be merited. > > This release would _not_ be done on CD since Walnut Creek CDROM is > starting to accumulate too many FreeBSD CD products (yes, there are > more coming out soon with things like CDE and AcceleratedX 3.1 on > them) and I think they want to focus on 3-4 main titles. There are > also the subscription customers to think of who probably don't want to > start getting 2 CDs every 4 months. > > Anyway, given that proviso, what do those who are still running 2.1.x > think of this? > > Jordan > I don't think so. Anyone running 2.1.x systems, will probably just do a "make world" upgrade rather than installing 2.1.8 over there existing system. Besides having less downtime, there will probably be further patches to 2.1-stable still :) Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 18 17:44:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17012 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarkin.smlab.com (tarkin.smlab.com [208.132.36.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17003 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r2d2.smlab.com (mike@r2d2.smlab.com [192.168.2.7]) by tarkin.smlab.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28168; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by r2d2.smlab.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA05622; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:45:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:45:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? In-Reply-To: <17971.861382575@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, given that proviso, what do those who are still running 2.1.x > think of this? Wouldn't make a bit of difference to me... I'm running 2.1.7 as our company firewall & web server, which was upgraded from 2.1.5. (I took my 2.1.0 CD's and melted them down for entertainment. 2.1.5+ was a LOT better!) The upgrade .5->.7 went flawlessly, and I haven't had a bit of difficulty since. The occasional upgrade doesn't bother me. Side Note: I just wish I could say the same thing when I upgraded our DEC Alpha 3000 from OSF 3.0 to 3.2D..... Or from 2.0 to 3.0..... In a nutshell, those four (yes, four) evenings sucked. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mike Nowlin -- Part-time Genius Home: mike@argos.org | | Suburban Medical Laboratory, Inc. Work: mike@smlab.com | | (330) 929-7992 http://www.imperium.net/~argos | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CC/E d s++: a- C+++ ULBO++++ P+> L+++ E- W(--) N+ o? K- w(---) O- M-- V-- PS+ PE+ Y- PGP+ t++ 5++ X- R* tv+ b++ DI++ D++ G e h* r++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 05:11:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14220 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walkabout.asstdc.com.au (imb@walkabout.asstdc.com.au [202.12.127.73]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14212; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from imb@localhost) by walkabout.asstdc.com.au (8.8.5/BSD4.4) id WAA00702 Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:11:22 +1000 (EST) From: michael butler Message-Id: <199704191211.WAA00702@walkabout.asstdc.com.au> Subject: login broken ? To: current@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:11:22 +1000 (EST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Comment: Phone 0419-240-180, International +61-419-240-180 X-Comment: finger imb@asstdc.com.au for PGP public key X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone else recompiled -stable (2.1.7.1) from the present cvsup sources and noticed that they can no longer telnet to it or is it just me ? Restoring 2.1.7 /usr/bin/login sources restores normal operation :-( michael From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 09:54:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25803 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (root@birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25796 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA21382; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:54:07 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:54:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Jangowski To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? In-Reply-To: <17971.861382575@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The -stable branch seems to be ticking along still, something which I > think is *good* since many customers of 2.1.7 still need a place to go > for the critical bug fixes and -stable is a fine place to get them > from, but I'm wondering if Yet Another Release along that branch (and > I'm going to wise up and stop referring to anything on this branch as > "the last release" :-) would be merited. > [...] > > Anyway, given that proviso, what do those who are still running 2.1.x > think of this? > Of course! As master over 11 heavily loaded machines, all running 2.1.7.1 very successfully, I can't see myself changing them all to 2.2.x. I think that 2.1.7.1 is going to stay for a long time, so I'd appreciate the idea of fixing security bugs in the 2.1.x-line very much. Martin | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 11:08:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28881 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28876 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (cod.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12205; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:07:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@shrimp.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <17971.861382575@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:07:42 -0500 To: Martin Jangowski From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:54 AM -0500 4/19/97, Martin Jangowski wrote: >Of course! As master over 11 heavily loaded machines, all running 2.1.7.1 >very successfully, I can't see myself changing them all to 2.2.x. I think >that 2.1.7.1 is going to stay for a long time, so I'd appreciate the idea >of fixing security bugs in the 2.1.x-line very much. I think that this is the intent. The question is whether or not we need a full release generated. My suggestion would be to roll a release of 2.1 every 3 months until 2.2 is of a quality the it would be recommended to an ISP to replace 2.1. However, I would not distribute that release on CD. I view the CD's more as "The FreeBSD Summer '97 Distribution CD -- Featuring FreeBSD 2.2.1" rather than "The FreeBSD 2.2.1 RELEASE CD" I would distribute a source difference (CTM delta or similar) from the last 2.1 CD as a part of each CD distribution. This would provide an archive for those interested and give anyone the ability the generate the present version, if desired. A "live CVS tree" from which you could check out every distribution would also be an alternative. From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 13:32:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08207 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08202 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA00432; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:32:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from nouvelle(192.168.100.9) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000429; Sat, 19 Apr 97 13:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: <33592BD1.7F0F@PartsNow.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:32:17 -0700 From: Don Wilde Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NOV-NOV (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: stable@freebsd.org Subject: stable gotta be stable! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have 4 on-line machines which are running 2.1.7. I am hesitant to use 2.2.1 until I know both the X and 2940 problems are put to bed. I do not intend to use the CDROM.COM servers to update via internet as I have a lot of machines to update (besides the live machines)and I don't have spare bandwidth or the time to babysit full upgrades. I have been using the CD's as my -stable. I **DO** need to be able to view them as stable, as my company depends on its webservers and firewall for its very business. I can't play with immature code. At home I can play, but here I can't. If you must drop something, rearrange the CD's so that both the 2.1-stable and the 2.2-mostlystable OS code and the major packages is on the 2 CD's which are constantly updated, and reduce the frequency of the PORTS CD releases for some of the less-needed stuff like CAD and GAMES. You guys should be thrilled that your code is good enough to be used for corporate work, and it really is that good. ;-))) Thanks for asking for comment, Jordan. There's just these perverted little rats and their robots out there on the 'net, you know... -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 15:10:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18174 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18161 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA00967; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05455; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02616; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199704192210.PAA02616@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:10:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: Don Wilde "stable gotta be stable!" (Apr 19, 1:32pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Don Wilde , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: stable gotta be stable! Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Apr 19, 1:32pm, Don Wilde wrote: } Subject: stable gotta be stable! } I have 4 on-line machines which are running 2.1.7. I am hesitant } to use 2.2.1 until I know both the X and 2940 problems are put to bed. I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'm running a version somewhere between 2.1.6 and 2.1.7 and have been hesitant to upgrade due to the 2940 changes that started sometime before 2.1.7. It's my understanding that the same changes were made in both the 2.1.x and 2.2.x branches. I haven't seen any problem reports since the last set of changes, so maybe it's finally a good time to upgrade. } I do not intend to use the CDROM.COM servers to update via } internet as I have a lot of machines to update (besides the live } machines)and I don't have spare bandwidth or the time to babysit full } upgrades. I have been using the CD's as my -stable. I **DO** need to be } able to view them as stable, as my company depends on its webservers and } firewall for its very business. In my case, the CD's are pretty useless, and I really don't much care if formal releases are done, since I've added a number of local changes to what we're running here. What I've been doing is tracking the 2.1 tree using CTM. I upgrade one machine with "make world". I then do a "make release", to build a customized release distribution that I install on an internal anonymous ftp server. I can then install or upgrade all the other machines from this server at Ethernet speed. --- Truck From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 15:17:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18598 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18593 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from don@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA00640; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Wilde To: Don Lewis cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stable gotta be stable! In-Reply-To: <199704192210.PAA02616@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In my case, the CD's are pretty useless, and I really don't much care > if formal releases are done, since I've added a number of local changes > to what we're running here. What I've been doing is tracking the 2.1 > tree using CTM. I upgrade one machine with "make world". I then do > a "make release", to build a customized release distribution that I > install on an internal anonymous ftp server. I can then install or > upgrade all the other machines from this server at Ethernet speed. > > --- Truck > What's CTM? I'll try an IP dl for one system, then try your make release solution. Mine are all nearby, so it's not a real problem to reconfigure the IP's and bring them inside the firewall to do the ftp install. TNX for the suggestion. From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 15:44:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20234 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20227 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01087; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05862; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02691; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199704192242.PAA02691@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:42:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: Don Wilde "Re: stable gotta be stable!" (Apr 19, 3:17pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Don Wilde , Don Lewis Subject: Re: stable gotta be stable! Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Apr 19, 3:17pm, Don Wilde wrote: } Subject: Re: stable gotta be stable! } What's CTM? There's a pointer to it in the FreeBSD-stable documentation in the FreeBSD handbook . You can get the CTM files from . } I'll try an IP dl for one system, then try your make release } solution. Mine are all nearby, so it's not a real problem to reconfigure } the IP's and bring them inside the firewall to do the ftp install. There's not much in the way of documentation. Basically, you cd to /usr/src/release and "make release". In my case it requires somewhat under 450 MB in /usr/release (no games, X, and a few other things removed and some added), and about 6 hours on a P-133 as I recall. If you've got access to a CD burner, then you should be able to make a CD release. I'm moving things inside the firewall to do ftp installs. --- Truck From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 16:16:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21658 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21653 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA00205; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Don Wilde cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stable gotta be stable! In-Reply-To: <33592BD1.7F0F@PartsNow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Don Wilde wrote: > I have 4 on-line machines which are running 2.1.7. I am hesitant > to use 2.2.1 until I know both the X and 2940 problems are put to bed. 2.1.7.1 and 2.2.1 have the same ahc driver. As far as X, goes, I have no idea why you'd want to run X on network server for, but XFree86 is not strictly part of FreeBSD. It is developed separately. Whatever rev of XFree86 that comes with 2.1.7 should run on 2.2.1 too. > I do not intend to use the CDROM.COM servers to update via > internet as I have a lot of machines to update (besides the live > machines)and I don't have spare bandwidth or the time to babysit full > upgrades. I have been using the CD's as my -stable. I **DO** need to be > able to view them as stable, as my company depends on its webservers and > firewall for its very business. I can't play with immature code. At home So you would prefer to take those servers down and reinstall from CD rather than use cvsup to pull down a few hundred K worth of updates to 2.1.7, and do a "makeworld; make install"? The real issue here is not 2.2 vs 2.1, but whether any more 2.1 releases should be made. Considering that people with 2.1.x can get patches/updates via cvsup so easily, and the only downtime you need is a reboot after installing the new kernel. Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 19 16:31:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22928 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22922 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA02390; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Martin Jangowski cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Martin Jangowski wrote: > > > > The -stable branch seems to be ticking along still, something which I > > think is *good* since many customers of 2.1.7 still need a place to go > > for the critical bug fixes and -stable is a fine place to get them > > from, but I'm wondering if Yet Another Release along that branch (and > > I'm going to wise up and stop referring to anything on this branch as > > "the last release" :-) would be merited. > > > > [...] > > > > > Anyway, given that proviso, what do those who are still running 2.1.x > > think of this? > > > > > Of course! As master over 11 heavily loaded machines, all running 2.1.7.1 > very successfully, I can't see myself changing them all to 2.2.x. I think > that 2.1.7.1 is going to stay for a long time, so I'd appreciate the idea > of fixing security bugs in the 2.1.x-line very much. > > Martin > > | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | > | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | > | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | > | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | > > > That's not the point. Fixes will put committed to 2.1-stable as long as developers work on it. The point is whether this should be converted into releases once in a while. Considering the downtime a re-install causes, I would guess that nearly everyone would much rather keep 2.1.x systems up to date via cvsup. Tom