From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 20 15:55:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13633 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:55:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ganymede.eclipse.co.uk (ganymede.eclipse.co.uk [195.188.32.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13279 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@internationalschool.co.uk) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk ([195.188.36.223]) by ganymede.eclipse.co.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAA5651 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:51:35 -0100 Message-ID: <35DCA7F7.36E8310D@internationalschool.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:49:27 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cobwebs Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms937E17C632B33AE44DABE0BD" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms937E17C632B33AE44DABE0BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just found http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/Seminars/Questnet/ which I thought was rather nice and worth drawing attention to seeing as it appears to have been gathering cobwebs for the last 3 years :-) There's a good description of the differences between commercial copyrights, BSD license and GPL (which could well be included at opensource.org I'd imagine), and a few things that I haven't seen before on the FreeBSD site (the number of messages processed per day at freefall sounds quite impressive, for example).. --------------ms937E17C632B33AE44DABE0BD Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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EAA11769; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> Received: from (194.32.96.136) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma903698897.011755; Fri, 21 Aug 98 04:28:17 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Duncan Barclay" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:27:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX Reply-to: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In CNets headline story today, FreeBSD replaces comproimised IRIX servers at a Kentucky ISP! Whether the attack was the fault of the ISP's operating system remains an unanswered question. But Aye Net is not taking any chances. It has since replaced its operating system with FreeBSD, which is a version of Unix with strengthened security measures. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,25526,00.html?st.ne.1.head Duncan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 21 08:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22466 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22449; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:43:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA12023; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:01 -0600 To: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX In-Reply-To: <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For Heaven's sake someone warn them not to run QPopper. --Brett At 12:27 PM 8/21/98 +0000, Duncan Barclay wrote: >In CNets headline story today, FreeBSD replaces comproimised IRIX >servers at a Kentucky ISP! > > Whether the attack was the fault of the ISP's operating system > remains an unanswered question. But Aye Net is not taking any > chances. It has since replaced its operating system with FreeBSD, > which is a version of Unix with strengthened security measures. > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,25526,00.html?st.ne.1.head > >Duncan > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 21 19:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11613 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11484; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA06960; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:06:36 +0930 (CST) Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.6.12) id LAA00504; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:12:39 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <19980822111239.61830@papillon.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:12:39 +0900 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass , dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX References: <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 09:43:01AM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 21 August 1998 at 9:43:01 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 12:27 PM 8/21/98 +0000, Duncan Barclay wrote: > >> In CNets headline story today, FreeBSD replaces comproimised IRIX >> servers at a Kentucky ISP! >> >> Whether the attack was the fault of the ISP's operating system >> remains an unanswered question. But Aye Net is not taking any >> chances. It has since replaced its operating system with FreeBSD, >> which is a version of Unix with strengthened security measures. >> >> http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,25526,00.html?st.ne.1.head > > For Heaven's sake someone warn them not to run QPopper. Why? Firstly, it wasn't a FreeBSD problem, and secondly it's been fixed. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 22 09:57:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18984 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18967; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA23875; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.44.19980822092601.041f94e0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:27:25 -0600 To: Greg Lehey , dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX In-Reply-To: <19980822111239.61830@papillon.lemis.com> References: <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:12 AM 8/22/98 +0900, Greg Lehey wrote: >> For Heaven's sake someone warn them not to run QPopper. > >Why? Firstly, it wasn't a FreeBSD problem, and secondly it's been >fixed. Yes, but they switched before 2.2.7 came out. The old QPopper was in the Ports Collection for 2.2.6. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 22 12:22:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29246 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29241; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA24991; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:21:29 -0600 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Remark from Nick Petreley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This week in InfoWorld, Nick Petreley wrote: "FreeBSD fans often resent the popularity of Linux and some consider Richard Stallman the antichrist because he believes in making open source software mandatory." (See http://forums.infoworld.com/threads/get.cgi?70162 for context.) This is, of course, a mischaracterization on several counts. Those on this list should write ick and explain to him that FreeBSD advocates don't "resent" the popularity of Linux but rather believe that FreeBSD is underrecognized. And also that advocacy of the Berkeley license over the GPL isn't "considering Richard Stallman the Antichrist" -- it's a realistic, practical stance that's NOT motivated by Stallman's anti-business ideology. Nick is Nicholas_Petreley@infoworld.com. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message