From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 30 11:21:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16885 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rio.eclipse.net (rio.eclipse.net [207.207.193.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16879 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:21:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrismar@console.org) From: chrismar@console.org Received: from localhost (chrismar@localhost) by rio.eclipse.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA18149 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:19:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rio.eclipse.net: chrismar owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: chrismar@rio.eclipse.net To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Site Development Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys and gals, This is kind of off topic, but I figured it was worth a shot. I'm trying to create a web site for all free un*x users. Whether they be FreeBSDers, Linuxers, NetBSDers, OpenBSDers, or any un*x users at all. I'm thinking of something kinda like slashdot.org or freshmeat.net but not as Linux centric. Something that all un*x users/operators can enjoy just just Linux users can enjoy. Now, this is going to be no easy task, so I'm looking for people to help. I really need people that can make kick ass web pages, kick ass graphics, and write stories/articles. I also need people that seem to get the inside scoop quickly. Also, any developers who may care to share upcoming events/releases/etc... If you would like to help out, please respond to this message with your name, e-mail address, and what you would like to do to help. I would like to get this rolling pretty soon, so please get in touch if you are interested, or forward to people you think may be interested. Thanks for listening, Chris Martino chrismar@console.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 30 12:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25296 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25291 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14713; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:45:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: chrismar@console.org cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Site Development In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Chris, > I'm trying to create a web site for all free un*x users. Whether they > be FreeBSDers, Linuxers, NetBSDers, OpenBSDers, or any un*x users at > all. I'm thinking of something kinda like slashdot.org or > freshmeat.net but not as Linux centric. Something that all un*x > users/operators can enjoy just just Linux users can enjoy. Right now we are (ack) 2 days until the release of the first issue of Daemon News. This is a BSD (Open,Net,Free, and BSDi I guess if they wanted to get involved) based ezine. We won't deal w/ Linux as there are plenty of Linux based ezines out there and we wanted something that would allow the BSD's a voice. We can always use more help in lots of ways if you'd like to join our effort. We're not trying to replace slashdot (which has way too much non-Linux stuff on it for me to consider it a pure Linux site). If anything I guess the best comparison would be the Linux Gazette. At present we're on a monthly schedule - this could increase in theory if we had more people/articles/help. You can check out the people we have in place (a really good group) and our temporary entry page at: http://ezine.freebsd.org/ http://www.daemonnews.org/ Brett ****************************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ "There is something uncanny in the noiseless rush of the cyclist, as he comes into view, passes by, and disappears." - Popular Science, 1891 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 30 15:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14791 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14786 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id SAA18131 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:13:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: News article about the *BSD's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Someone may wish to see this added to the news articles about FreeBSD. It is alot more accurate than most articles about BSD it mentions net open and free, and the differences between us and linux. I found it to be a fairly accurate article part 2 is coming out next month I believe. Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 30 15:14:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15083 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:14:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15068 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id SAA18434 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BSD article take 2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG haha Might be nice if I put the URL in :-) http://www.computerbits.com/archive/19980900/lnx9809.htm -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 30 16:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20856 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20835; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA20673; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:57:21 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA02455; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:56:46 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980831085645.I606@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:56:45 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: chrismar@console.org Cc: FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Site Development References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from chrismar@console.org on Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 01:14:20PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 30 August 1998 at 13:14:20 -0400, chrismar@console.org wrote: > Hi guys and gals, > > This is kind of off topic, but I figured it was worth a shot. Well, it's off topic for -questions (except that -questions is a catchall for any message for which you can't find a better list), but it's probably interesting for a couple of other groups: FreeBSD advocacy and the BSD Ezine. I'm copying them both (the latter Bcc:; I'm not sure I should be giving out the address, though I'd think it would be OK). > I'm trying to create a web site for all free un*x users. Whether they be > FreeBSDers, Linuxers, NetBSDers, OpenBSDers, or any un*x users at all. I'm > thinking of something kinda like slashdot.org or freshmeat.net but not as > Linux centric. Something that all un*x users/operators can enjoy just > just Linux users can enjoy. > > Now, this is going to be no easy task, so I'm looking for people to help. > I really need people that can make kick ass web pages, kick ass graphics, > and write stories/articles. I also need people that seem to get the > inside scoop quickly. Also, any developers who may care to share upcoming > events/releases/etc... > > If you would like to help out, please respond to this message with your > name, e-mail address, and what you would like to do to help. You should know in particular about the BSD Ezine, the first issue of which will be coming out Real Soon Now. Also, the people in -advocacy are doing this sort of thing, and you should know about http://www.opensource.org/. You probably want a lot of discussion about *what* you want to do before you get started. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 31 16:09:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25539 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25515 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrA-35.aei.ca [206.186.204.35]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11621 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EB2CCA.1885B58E@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:07:54 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: FYI: Columnist evaluating FreeBSD] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I forward that one to advocacy. Edwin Gustafson wrote: > > Greetings, > > Apologies if this is the wrong forum for this communication, but... > > ...FYI: in the conclusion of the article referenced below, the author > mentions he's about to evaluate FreeBSD. I mention this just in case you > want to contact him to offer information or assistance. > > BTW, thanks for a great operating system. :-) > > MSNBC - Living with Linux, Part 2: > > > by > > > > --------------- Pager: http://ic.net/~ewg/pager.html --------------- > Edwin "Gus" Gustafson U of Mich Dept of Econ mailto:ewg@ic.net > Ann Arbor, Michigan SleepLab Software Ltd http://ic.net/~ewg/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 31 17:34:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11880 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11749 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14249 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:30:47 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:30:01 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Lobbying for ports to FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Some email addresses for people to lobby to: info@sdcorp.com Corel web-mktg@us.oracle.com Oracle (and if Oracle joins the party, the other big boys will as well). While quantity counts, remember that a politely worded request for info will bring more friends to the fold than any demands will. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 31 18:28:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22423 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22388 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrD-23.aei.ca [206.186.204.173]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02405; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EB4D5E.2F94F9EA@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:26:54 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Chen CC: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lobbying for ports to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Chen wrote: > > Hi, > > Some email addresses for people to lobby to: > > info@sdcorp.com Corel > web-mktg@us.oracle.com Oracle (and if Oracle joins the party, > the other big boys will as well). > > While quantity counts, remember that a politely worded request for > info will bring more friends to the fold than any demands will. > > Cheers. > -- > Jonathan Chen > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When the character of a man is not clear to you, > look at his friends. How about to set a page wich will tel where/how to lobby, where to vote(if there is a place to vote like "what is my OS") and what to do to advocate freebsd. Also "how" to write a letter to a corporation asking to port their software/hardware-drivers to freebsd. Has you say, "politely worded". -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 31 18:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24990 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bbcc.ctc.edu (bbcc.ctc.edu [134.39.180.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24982 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bbcc.ctc.edu) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bbcc.ctc.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00891; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Malartre cc: Jonathan Chen , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lobbying for ports to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35EB4D5E.2F94F9EA@aei.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How about to set a page wich will tel where/how to lobby, where to > vote(if there is a place to vote like "what is my OS") and what to do to > advocate freebsd. > Also "how" to write a letter to a corporation asking to port their > software/hardware-drivers to freebsd. > Has you say, "politely worded". This would make a great article for www.daemonnews.org. Jonathan, would you write up an article like this. Kind of a "How to Lobby BSD" style article? -Chris > -- > [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 31 19:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02757 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02752 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:41:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA07008; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809010240.TAA07008@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:40:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suggestion for new list Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about a new list specially for the press. I think questions is great for general purpose, but we may get better exposure if we are able to help reporters/reviewers to install the software with the least problems possible. The way I suggest it would be to have a handfull of handpicked people have access to the list (i.e. Dough White, Greg Lehey, Jordan....) and to only allow questions from reviewers/editors/ article writers. Thoughts? comments? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 31 21:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13466 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13442 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20658; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35EB776C.2635DA1@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:26:20 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list References: <199809010240.TAA07008@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Francisco Reyes wrote: > > How about a new list specially for the press. I think questions is > great for general purpose, but we may get better exposure if we are > able to help reporters/reviewers to install the software with the > least problems possible. > > The way I suggest it would be to have a handfull of handpicked people > have access to the list (i.e. Dough White, Greg Lehey, Jordan....) > and to only allow questions from reviewers/editors/ article writers. > > Thoughts? comments? It'll never fly, because "the press" won't go for it. When they review an OS like FreeBSD, they're also reviewing the support provided via the "standard" support channels, which are the mailing lists in FreeBSD. It's surprisingly egalitarian, given the perks expected by most magazine reviewers, but I assume it has been crammed down their throats by editorial reviews. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 03:10:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21638 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 03:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA21542 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from olvaldi.ifi.uio.no (2602@olvaldi.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.43]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id MAA17412; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:08:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by olvaldi.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:08:08 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chrismar@console.org Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Site Development References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 01 Sep 1998 12:08:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: chrismar@console.org's message of "Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA21603 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG chrismar@console.org writes: > I'm trying to create a web site for all free un*x users. Whether they be > FreeBSDers, Linuxers, NetBSDers, OpenBSDers, or any un*x users at all. I'm > thinking of something kinda like slashdot.org or freshmeat.net but not as > Linux centric. Something that all un*x users/operators can enjoy just > just Linux users can enjoy. /. is not Linux-centric. They'll print BSD stuff if somebody bothers to send some in, so get on with the writing. The only bias they really have AFAI can see is Anti-MS. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 07:36:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20552 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20547 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA20132; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809011435.HAA20132@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Wes Peters" Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:34:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:26:20 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: >Francisco Reyes wrote: >> >> How about a new list specially for the press. >> >> The way I suggest it would be to have a handfull of handpicked people >> have access to the list (i.e. Dough White, Greg Lehey, Jordan....) >> and to only allow questions from reviewers/editors/ article writers. > >It'll never fly, because "the press" won't go for it. When they review >an OS like FreeBSD, they're also reviewing the support provided via the >"standard" support channels, which are the mailing lists in FreeBSD. Allow me to partially disagree. Some reporters may want to go through the regular channels, but I would suspect the most sucessfull ones with less time may like the idea of the special treatment. After all some times they are concerned on looking at the environment and not how to set it up. On any case it would cost nothing to setup and a few positive feedbacks in some computer magazines can only help. It will also be a great excuse to write to editors/writers and let them know about this service for them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 11:01:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24095 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24075; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA27022; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org Subject: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm proud to announce the first issue of Daemon News, an ezine based on all of the free BSDs; FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD. The staff has worked very hard to get this first issue out on our self-imposed deadline of the 1st of September. This first issue contains articles over a broad range of topics; from a newbie's guide to using chmod and umask to network driver programming in NetBSD and everything in between. We hope you'll take a look at us and, if you're interested, join our team to produce future issues. We have the main site and 2 mirrors set up right now - if the main site seems slow, please try one of the mirrors. http://www.daemonnews.org/ http://www2.daemonnews.org/ http://www3.daemonnews.org/ On behalf of all of the staff here at Daemon News, thanks! ************************************************************* Brett Taylor brett@www.daemonnews.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 11:02:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24407 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailman.naxs.com (mailman.naxs.com [208.27.28.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24216 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aiarbuckle@naxs.com) Received: from aiarbuckle.naxs.com ([206.31.122.102]) by mailman.naxs.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42723U8000L3500S0) with ESMTP id AAA194; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:02:14 -0400 Reply-To: <@naxs.com> From: "Andrew I. Arbuckle" To: "Francisco Reyes" , "Advocacy List" Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:43:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BDD5A6.19F02D60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980901180213687.AAA194@aiarbuckle.naxs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BDD5A6.19F02D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this to imply that you do not want to offer assistance to others interested in trying FreeBSD? I purchased the 4 CD 2.2.6 set from Walnut Creek recently for a new PC I am putting together, thought it would be nice to try a new OS, but if you want to hide easier methods of installing, perhaps you will drive others away. Just a comment, as I am following this thread, but am not yet really active. ---------- > From: Francisco Reyes > To: Advocacy List > Subject: Suggestion for new list > Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 10:40 PM > > How about a new list specially for the press. I think questions is > great for general purpose, but we may get better exposure if we are > able to help reporters/reviewers to install the software with the > least problems possible. > > The way I suggest it would be to have a handfull of handpicked people > have access to the list (i.e. Dough White, Greg Lehey, Jordan....) > and to only allow questions from reviewers/editors/ article writers. > > Thoughts? comments? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message ------=_NextPart_000_01BDD5A6.19F02D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is this to imply that you do not want = to offer assistance to others interested in trying FreeBSD?  I = purchased the 4 CD 2.2.6 set from Walnut Creek recently for a new PC I = am putting together, thought it would be nice to try a new OS, but if = you want to hide easier methods of installing, perhaps you will drive = others away.
Just a comment, as I am following this thread, but am = not yet really active.

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> From: Francisco Reyes = <reyesf@newsguy.com>
> To: Advocacy List <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Subject: Suggestion for new list
> = Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 10:40 PM
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> How about a new = list specially for the press. I think questions is
> great for = general purpose, but we may get better exposure if we are
> able = to help reporters/reviewers to install the software with the
> = least problems possible.
>
> The way I suggest it would be = to have a handfull of handpicked people
> have access to the list = (i.e. Dough White, Greg Lehey, Jordan....)
> and to only allow = questions from reviewers/editors/ article writers.
>
> = Thoughts? comments?
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------=_NextPart_000_01BDD5A6.19F02D60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 12:45:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11555 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:45:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from the.oneinsane.net (gw.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11530; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from insane@the.oneinsane.net) Received: (from insane@localhost) by the.oneinsane.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA09082; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980901124346.A9002@oneinsane.net> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:43:46 -0700 From: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" To: Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine Reply-To: insane@oneinsane.net Mail-Followup-To: Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: ; from Brett Taylor on Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 12:00:25PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD the.oneinsane.net 2.2.6-STABLE X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it all my fault. ;-) TIA Ron On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 12:00:25PM -0600, Brett Taylor wrote: > Hi, > > I'm proud to announce the first issue of Daemon News, an ezine based > on all of the free BSDs; FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD. The staff > has worked very hard to get this first issue out on our self-imposed > deadline of the 1st of September. > > This first issue contains articles over a broad range of topics; from > a newbie's guide to using chmod and umask to network driver programming > in NetBSD and everything in between. We hope you'll take a look at us > and, if you're interested, join our team to produce future issues. > > We have the main site and 2 mirrors set up right now - if the main site > seems slow, please try one of the mirrors. > > http://www.daemonnews.org/ > http://www2.daemonnews.org/ > http://www3.daemonnews.org/ > > On behalf of all of the staff here at Daemon News, thanks! > > ************************************************************* > Brett Taylor > brett@www.daemonnews.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- -------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was null and void -------------------------------------------------------- It's so nice to be insane, nobody asks you to explain. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 13:00:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14272 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14234; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:00:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00811; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:56:04 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809011256.MAA00811@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: insane@oneinsane.net cc: Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:43:46 MST." <19980901124346.A9002@oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:56:04 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left > column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it > all my fault. ;-) Definitely your fault; looks OK here (there are some other layout problems, but that's not one of them). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 13:23:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17497 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17487 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA137152; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:22:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980901180213687.AAA194@aiarbuckle.naxs.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:26:16 -0400 To: aiarbuckle@naxs.com, reyesf@newsguy.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Francisco Reyes wrote: >> How about a new list specially for the press. I think questions is >> great for general purpose, but we may get better exposure if we are >> able to help reporters/reviewers to install the software with the >> least problems possible. Andrew I. Arbuckle replied: > Is this to imply that you do not want to offer assistance to others > interested in trying FreeBSD? That's not the way I would take Francisco's proposal. He's creating a new list, in addition to things like freebsd-questions. Non-press people would still have access to all the help they currently have access too, there would just be extra help for press-related people. Francisco also said: >> The way I suggest it would be to have a handfull of handpicked >> people have access to the list (i.e. Dough White, Greg Lehey, >> Jordan....) and to only allow questions from reviewers/editors/ >> article writers. >> >> Thoughts? comments? I have mixed feelings about this idea. I can understand that it probably would help freebsd to make sure press-people don't trip up over something simple. On the other hand, in some sense that results in a "false review" of freebsd. They would be reviewing "freebsd with special access to top-notch help", while other users would read the reviews and then have to settle for "freebsd with generic help". It also seems to me that the people *you* are selecting to be the "handful of handpicked people" might be better used elsewhere, such as on programming projects... Given that the freebsd project is something of a cooperative-volunteer effort, it always seems a bit weird to me when one person "volunteers" someone else for some duty. I'm sure that if *you* want to volunteer to be a front-line contact for press-people, then you would be making a valuable contribution to the freebsd project... Personally, I think this gets back to an issue which has been mentioned before, in that the FreeBSD project needs some sort of support organizations. Some business which makes it's living by providing support to other companies (ISP's, whatever) which are using freebsd. *That* organization would be a natural for providing support to press-people. I'm not enough of a business person to create such a company, but I think freebsd is growing to the point were such companies might profitably exist. Note that if such a company did exist, and did provide special (but free) support for press-people, then that would avoid the problem I mentioned earlier. Non-press people would still have access to the "top-notch help", if they wanted to pay a little to get that help. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 13:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19212 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [12.9.219.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19189; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from HARLIE.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [12.9.219.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13633; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: insane@oneinsane.net cc: Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine In-Reply-To: <199809011256.MAA00811@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left > > column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it > > all my fault. ;-) > > Definitely your fault; looks OK here (there are some other layout > problems, but that's not one of them). Same problem here. What window size are you using for netscape? 560x540 here, and what is happening is that the right column of the table is right justified, the left column appears immediately to the left of the right column, and if that comes out to be wider than the current window, no scroll bar appears. I've never seen this happen anywhere else. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 13:40:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20277 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:40:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20268 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 2925 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Sep 1998 20:40:01 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980901124346.A9002@oneinsane.net> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine Cc: announce@openbsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Brett Taylor Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 01-Sep-98 Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson wrote: > I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left > column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it > all my fault. ;-) Your own fault, I hate to say. Looks perfect here. I'm using 4.06 on FreeBSD. Can you make Netscape any wider? Just guessing but it looks like it'd take up the full screen in 800*600 mode, I'm set up wider than that. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 13:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21525 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.147.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21495; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22392; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:45:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Howard To: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" cc: Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine In-Reply-To: <19980901124346.A9002@oneinsane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson wrote: > I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left > column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it > all my fault. ;-) > TIA > Ron I saw this, but only for a few of the pages, not all of them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 14:15:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26191 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hebe.or.intel.com (hebe.or.intel.com [134.134.248.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26172; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwood@ichips.intel.com) Received: from ichips-ra.pdx.intel.com (ichips-ra.pdx.intel.com [137.102.192.31]) by hebe.or.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11242; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pdxcs199.pdx.intel.com (pdxcs199.pdx.intel.com [137.102.196.139]) by ichips-ra.pdx.intel.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21795; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Colin Wood Received: by pdxcs199.pdx.intel.com (8.8.8/WW2.2 (Ronler Acres)) id OAA132692; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:13:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199809012113.OAA132692@pdxcs199.pdx.intel.com> Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine In-Reply-To: <199809011256.MAA00811@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Sep 1, 98 12:56:04 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: insane@oneinsane.net, brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left > > column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it > > all my fault. ;-) > > Definitely your fault; looks OK here (there are some other layout > problems, but that's not one of them). Same thing for the Answer Man columns from here using Netscape 4.06 for NT. Later. -- Colin Wood cwood@ichips.intel.com Component Design Engineer - PMD Intel Corporation ----------------------------------------------------------------- I speak only on my own behalf, not for my employer. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 14:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00370 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (crbowman.erols.com [209.122.47.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00343; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from fermion (fermion [10.0.1.2]) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21713; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:07:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Message-Id: <199809012307.SAA21713@quark.ChrisBowman.com> X-Sender: crb@quark X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:38:49 -0400 To: Mike Smith From: "Christopher R. Bowman" Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine Cc: insane@oneinsane.net, Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org In-Reply-To: <199809011256.MAA00811@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA00346 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:56 PM 9/1/98 +0000, Mike Smith wrote: >> I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left >> column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it >> all my fault. ;-) > >Definitely your fault; looks OK here (there are some other layout >problems, but that's not one of them). I don't think so, I am running Netscape® Communicator 4.04 on an NT Box here, and I also have the left edge cut off. But I have no problems with any other site. >-- >\\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith >\\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au >\\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org >\\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > -------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com http://www.ChrisBowman.com/~crb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 15:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05030 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lorax.ubergeeks.com (lorax.ubergeeks.com [206.205.41.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05009; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:11:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@lorax.ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by lorax.ubergeeks.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA06974; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:06:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@lorax.ubergeeks.com) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: ADRIAN Filipi-Martin Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Colin Wood cc: Mike Smith , insane@oneinsane.net, brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine In-Reply-To: <199809012113.OAA132692@pdxcs199.pdx.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Colin Wood wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > > I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left > > > column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it > > > all my fault. ;-) > > > > Definitely your fault; looks OK here (there are some other layout > > problems, but that's not one of them). > > Same thing for the Answer Man columns from here using Netscape 4.06 for > NT. I think the problem is that the left column has a hard size specification, i.e. pixels instead of a percent. I too had the messed up left margin, but widening my window fixed this. Pretty nice other wise. I can wait to sshow it to some friends. Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 15:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10890 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10884 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03985; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Garance A Drosihn cc: aiarbuckle@naxs.com, reyesf@newsguy.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:26:16 EDT." Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3981.904690168@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have mixed feelings about this idea. I can understand that it > probably would help freebsd to make sure press-people don't trip > up over something simple. On the other hand, in some sense that > results in a "false review" of freebsd. They would be reviewing > "freebsd with special access to top-notch help", while other users > would read the reviews and then have to settle for "freebsd with > generic help". Erm, I hate to burst your bubble but a very high percentage of commercial evaluations are done with direct access to tech support people. If you read enough of them in detail, you'll find references like: "We had a little trouble at first, but so-and-so and Sun was a great help in explaining how to configure ..." - this especially goes for the hardware reviews, where the manufacturer in question knows that their stuff's about to be benchmarked and always includes a few telephone numbers and email addresses along with the equipment. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 16:35:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18565 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18552 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:35:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA245994; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:34:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3981.904690168@time.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:26:16 EDT." Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:38:56 -0400 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 3:49 PM -0700 9/1/98, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> I have mixed feelings about this idea. I can understand that it >> probably would help freebsd to make sure press-people don't trip >> up over something simple. On the other hand, in some sense that >> results in a "false review" of freebsd. They would be reviewing >> "freebsd with special access to top-notch help", while other users >> would read the reviews and then have to settle for "freebsd with >> generic help". > > Erm, I hate to burst your bubble but a very high percentage of > commercial evaluations are done with direct access to tech support > people. If you read enough of them in detail, you'll find references > like: "We had a little trouble at first, but so-and-so and Sun was a > great help in explaining how to configure ..." I realize that. I'm just saying it never seems right when I see it. I always think "Yeah, but what would *I* have done if I couldn't have called so-and-so?". On the other hand, some of those calls were for things I wouldn't have had a problem with, and it was better to have the reviewer call than trash the produce due to their own ignorance. So, as I say, I have mixed feelings about it... > this especially goes for the hardware reviews, For some reason it rarely bothers me when done in hardware reviews. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 17:06:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22988 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:06:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22965 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04377; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Garance A Drosihn cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:38:56 EDT." Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: <4374.904694695@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I realize that. I'm just saying it never seems right when I see it. So do a lot of things in this world, but that's no reason to stick one foot in a sack before running the same race and I think that's what were were discussing here. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 20:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25727 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25716 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:41:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA20262; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809020340.UAA20262@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" , "Andrew I. Arbuckle" Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:39:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_" Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure to understand your comments. As Garance mentioned this list would be in addition to the current lists. The press are different type of users in the sense that they may not be trying to install FreeBSD to serve a purpose (i.e. run a server, learn Unix). Instead they may be doing it just to write an article. FreeBSD is a product (although some people like to make it a religion) and like any product it needs to be marketted. Helping the press is a long standing tradition to enhance a review or to allow the reviewer to "experience" the product as he/she would have if he/she had taken the time to learn/read manuals/search archives. If we are able to get favorable reviews then we will get more users and hopefully more companies doing products and services for the FreeBSD community. >From: Andrew I. Arbuckle >Is this to imply that you do not want to offer assistance to others interested in trying FreeBSD? purchased the 4 CD 2.2.6 set >from Walnut Creek recently for a new PC I am putting together, thought it would be nice to try a new OS, but if you want to hide >easier methods of installing, perhaps you will drive others away. >Just a comment, as I am following this thread, but am not yet really active. > From: Francisco Reyes > Subject: Suggestion for new list > > How about a new list specially for the press. I think questions is > great for general purpose, but we may get better exposure if we are > able to help reporters/reviewers to install the software with the > least problems possible. --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I am not sure to understand your comments.
As Garance mentioned this list would be in addition to the current lists.

The press are different type of users in the sense that they may not be trying to install FreeBSD to serve a purpose (i.e. run a server, learn Unix). Instead they may be doing it just to write an article.

FreeBSD is a product (although some people like to make it a religion) and like any product it needs to be marketted. Helping the press is a long standing tradition to enhance a review or to allow the reviewer to "experience" the product as he/she would have if he/she had taken the time to learn/read manuals/search archives.

If we are able to get favorable reviews then we will get more users and hopefully more companies doing products and services for the FreeBSD community.

>From: Andrew I. Arbuckle
>Is this to imply that you do not want to offer assistance to others interested in trying FreeBSD? purchased the 4 CD 2.2.6 set
>from Walnut Creek recently for a new PC I am putting together, thought it would be nice to try a new OS, but if you want to hide
>easier methods of installing, perhaps you will drive others away.
>Just a comment, as I am following this thread, but am not yet really active.

> From: Francisco Reyes <reyesf@newsguy.com>
> Subject: Suggestion for new list
>
> How about a new list specially for the press. I think questions is
> great for general purpose, but we may get better exposure if we are
> able to help reporters/reviewers to install the software with the
> least problems possible.


--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 20:57:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27787 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27780 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA21587; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809020356.UAA21587@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Garance A Drosihn" Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:56:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggestion for new list Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:26:16 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >Francisco said: >>> The way I suggest it would be to have a handfull of handpicked >>> people have access to the list (i.e. Dough White, Greg Lehey, >>> Jordan....) and to only allow questions from reviewers/editors/ >>> article writers. >>> >>> Thoughts? comments? > >On the other hand, in some sense that >results in a "false review" of freebsd. They would be reviewing >"freebsd with special access to top-notch help", while other users >would read the reviews and then have to settle for "freebsd with >generic help". Which will put us at the same level as most companies. I think it is fair. :-) On a more serious note.... This is fairly common practice to offer the press special services. Nowhere is this more notieable than when you go to a trade conference. There are all kind of activities/info which is only available to the press >It also seems to me that the people *you* are selecting to be the >"handful of handpicked people" might be better used elsewhere, For starters the names I mentioned were examples. Secondly there is a catch 22 in picking people who are not as good as those I mentioned. What good is to have this special service for reporters and then have them get worse replies than if they had posted to questions directly. Notice I mentioned that for anyone already helping users in the questions list this would not amount to much. It is not like we have press members coming everyday to evaluate FreeBSD. >as on programming projects... Given that the freebsd project is >something of a cooperative-volunteer effort, it always seems a bit >weird to me when one person "volunteers" someone else for some duty. Nobody can "volunteer" someone else. One can mention someone else's name as a "good candidate", but it is 100% up to that person to do it or not. >I'm sure that if *you* want to volunteer to be a front-line contact >for press-people, then you would be making a valuable contribution >to the freebsd project... I asked Jordan to put me on the press alias. This will not do as much good as if someone more familiar with FreeBSD joined. Intent is never a replacement for ability. >Personally, I think this gets back to an issue which has been >mentioned before, in that the FreeBSD project needs some sort >of support organizations. Some business which makes it's living >by providing support to other companies (ISP's, whatever) which >are using freebsd. A lot more easier said than done. The best people to do such things would be the people who, as you put it, are better serving the project by working on FreeBSD. That leaves people who are less familiar with FreeBSD running such enterprise. Companies are not very forgiving of paying for bad support Also setting up a support organizations is not easy. You need people who are both technically able and that have good communication skills. Then you have the method of communication factor. Online support already exists so a company would likely prefer to pay for voice support. Once you talk about voice support there is the issue of calls/support person and waiting time........ I could go on and on about all the problems about setting up such organization.... Every time I have thought about the idea I thought that online support is probably the best way to get such endeavor going. I am really not sure how willing would a company be these days to pay for online support when they can get it for free. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 1 22:40:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16170 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tome.pantheon.org (user-38ld8d3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.161.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16151; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpneal@pobox.com) Received: from kpneal.users.mindspring.com (darkwalker.pantheon.org [10.0.0.4]) by tome.pantheon.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA18411; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980902030327.0092fc54@[10.0.0.9]> X-Sender: kpn@[10.0.0.9] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:03:27 -0400 To: Jamie Howard From: "Kevin P. Neal" Subject: Re: first issue of Daemon News, a BSD ezine Cc: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" , Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, announce@openbsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:45 PM 9/1/98 -0400, Jamie Howard wrote: >On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson wrote: > >> I am looking at the site with Netscape 4.05 for FreeBSD and the left >> column is cut off for the links. Is anyone else seeing this or is it >> all my fault. ;-) >> TIA >> Ron > >I saw this, but only for a few of the pages, not all of them. Ummmm, "me too!" *sigh* Aside from that one nit, the site looks nice. -- Kevin P. Neal http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ 'You know, I think I can hear the machine screaming from here... \ "help me! hellpp meeeee!"' - Heather Flanagan, 14:52:23 Wed Jun 10 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 03:19:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03766 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:19:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03712 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id MAA10447 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:18:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01241 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:20:43 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980903232041.A1228@panke.de> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:20:41 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: plotting software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I setup scripts which create a daily snapshot of the FreeBSD release usage from the web log files. The ascii output is available at http://www.freebsd.org/statistic/release_usage/1998/ I don't have the time to create graphical output. Does someone know a good plotting software and can write the batch scripts? Wolfram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 06:12:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19280 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19270 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA29137; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809041311.GAA29137@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" , "Greg Lehey" Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:11:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Selling older versions of FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:02:04 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >>From time to time surplus CDs of the previous release become >available. The next time will probably be in November. They tend to >go to well-known contributers, which you could become by then. That I recall the only time previous versions were given away was 2.2.6. Was this ever done before? I think a deep discount may be better than free. At the very least shipping should be covered. Of the 44 sets of 2.2.6 I got I have given away almost half and I have tried to be selective on who I giv it away (don't want these gifts to sit on a dusty shell) If I could buy older versions at a bargain price I would always buy some copies for friends/co-workers. Maybe we should have a previous version subscription. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 06:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20835 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20829 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:28:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04930; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:27:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "Advocacy List" , "Greg Lehey" Subject: Re: Selling older versions of FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:11:41 EDT." <199809041311.GAA29137@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:27:34 -0700 Message-ID: <4926.904915654@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:02:04 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > >>From time to time surplus CDs of the previous release become > >available. The next time will probably be in November. They tend to > >go to well-known contributers, which you could become by then. > > That I recall the only time previous versions were given away was > 2.2.6. > Was this ever done before? It's been done with almost every release since 1.1, though at rather smaller quantities than with 2.2.6. > I think a deep discount may be better than free. At the very least > shipping should be covered. If we ever do something like a big 2.2.6 give-away again, we're certainly going to have to ask for this much. It cost tens of thousands of dollars to send all the 2.2.6 CDs we sent and that's not something the accountant lets you do very often. Usually once. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 09:48:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19150 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19136 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15322; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980904094702.A14622@mooseriver.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:47:02 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: plotting software Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <19980903232041.A1228@panke.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980903232041.A1228@panke.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 11:20:41PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 11:20:41PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > I setup scripts which create a daily snapshot of the > FreeBSD release usage from the web log files. > > The ascii output is available at > http://www.freebsd.org/statistic/release_usage/1998/ > > I don't have the time to create graphical output. > Does someone know a good plotting software and > can write the batch scripts? Have you looked at gnuplot ? We have it in our package collection. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 17:07:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02343 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02336; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:07:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id CAA21317; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 02:06:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00662; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:00:34 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980905000033.C243@panke.de> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:00:33 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com, Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: plotting software References: <19980903232041.A1228@panke.de> <19980904094702.A14622@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <19980904094702.A14622@mooseriver.com>; from Josef Grosch on Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 09:47:02AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-09-04 09:47:02 -0700, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 11:20:41PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > I setup scripts which create a daily snapshot of the > > FreeBSD release usage from the web log files. > > > > The ascii output is available at > > http://www.freebsd.org/statistic/release_usage/1998/ > > > > I don't have the time to create graphical output. > > Does someone know a good plotting software and > > can write the batch scripts? > > Have you looked at gnuplot ? We have it in our package collection. gnuplot is good for mathematical functions. I don't know how good it is for graphics and diagrams. For example, a simple ascii art figure: % 40 ///////// /// /// 30 /// :::::::: ////::::::::::::::::: 20 : ///////////////////////// ::: : 10 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 7 ********************************************* : -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Aug 15.Aug 30. Aug * 3.0-current + 2.7-stable / 2.2.6R : 2.2.7R -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 18:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15218 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15201 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:26:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA13709; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:54:37 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA20833; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:54:36 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980905105436.F606@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:54:36 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Francisco Reyes , Advocacy List Subject: Re: Selling older versions of FreeBSD References: <199809041311.GAA29137@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199809041311.GAA29137@newsguy.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 09:11:41AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 4 September 1998 at 9:11:41 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:02:04 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> From time to time surplus CDs of the previous release become >> available. The next time will probably be in November. They tend to >> go to well-known contributers, which you could become by then. > > That I recall the only time previous versions were given away was > 2.2.6. > Was this ever done before? > > I think a deep discount may be better than free. At the very least > shipping should be covered. Agreed. So far I have only given away about 10 sets of the 88 I get (though that will change dramatically next week at the AUUG conference next week), but I was thinking of giving some to local computer shops. I don't like the idea of giving it for free, so I'll ask them for $10 (to be contributed to the project) just so that some frisbee collector doesn't grab them. Comments? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 20:01:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28138 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28129 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA25459; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809050300.UAA25459@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" , "Greg Lehey" Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:00:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Selling older versions of FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:54:36 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> I think a deep discount may be better than free. At the very least >> shipping should be covered. > >next week), but I was thinking of giving some to local computer >shops. I don't like the idea of giving it for free, so I'll ask them >for $10 (to be contributed to the project) just so that some frisbee >collector doesn't grab them. I could be totally wrong, but I think direct sales/giveaway is much better than leaving them sitting somewhere. The store will not care a bit if someone who for whatever reason dislikes FreeBSD will take copies away just to trash them. You may be thinking people are picking them up whent it is just one guy throwing them away. Also unless you know the people in the store I don't think it is a good idea for many other reasons such as re-organizations on the store where they may move the CDs and then forget to put them back, not wanting to have them up to not have to answer questions about it.... So far given them out to co-workers has worked pretty well. Also will be giving a number of them at school. On every case I will not leave more than 5 if I don't know where they are going. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 20:06:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29493 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29488 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA25749; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809050305.UAA25749@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:05:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Selling older versions of FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:27:34 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> I think a deep discount may be better than free. At the very least >> shipping should be covered. > >If we ever do something like a big 2.2.6 give-away again, we're >certainly going to have to ask for this much. It cost tens of >thousands of dollars to send all the 2.2.6 CDs we sent and that's not >something the accountant lets you do very often. Usually once. :) my very personal opinion is that it should not have been done for free. At least shipping should have been covered. To much uncertainty of where those CDs will land to bare such high cost sending them out. I do think however that the discount sale of older versions not only will help Walnut Creek, but will help us do better advocacy. For someone who has never seen FreeBSD, as long as it installs, been one version behind is not much of an issue. I also think that it should be avaiable as subscription also. Also how many people asks to get FreeBSD "on the cheap". Those people could always get the previous version. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 20:33:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02594 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02582 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA27249; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809050332.UAA27249@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:32:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD and KDE Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Although I have followed FreeBSD for a couple of years I had not found the right desktop set of tools, to make it my primary OS. Last night I installed KDE and I think that this is something which not only may work for me, but that fits very well with what many new users would feel confortable with. I think it may be a good idea to present KDE as a good starting environment for new users. Anyone who is experience or is used to other window managers can remain using whatever they want, but for a new user the integration in KDE simplifies a lot of things. Comments/thoughts? I think after getting KDE the only other thing I need to be able make FreeBSD my primary OS is an office type of application. With any luck the upcoming Applixware suite will fill this void. And of course eventually KDE Office may also do the trick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 20:43:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03876 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03869; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:43:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01199; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980904204224.A29968@mooseriver.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:42:24 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: plotting software Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <19980903232041.A1228@panke.de> <19980904094702.A14622@mooseriver.com> <19980905000033.C243@panke.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980905000033.C243@panke.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Sat, Sep 05, 1998 at 12:00:33AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 05, 1998 at 12:00:33AM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > On 1998-09-04 09:47:02 -0700, Josef Grosch wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 11:20:41PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > > I setup scripts which create a daily snapshot of the > > > FreeBSD release usage from the web log files. > > > > > > The ascii output is available at > > > http://www.freebsd.org/statistic/release_usage/1998/ > > > > > > I don't have the time to create graphical output. > > > Does someone know a good plotting software and > > > can write the batch scripts? > > > > Have you looked at gnuplot ? We have it in our package collection. > > gnuplot is good for mathematical functions. I don't know > how good it is for graphics and diagrams. For example, > a simple ascii art figure: > > > % > > 40 ///////// > /// > /// > 30 /// :::::::: > ////::::::::::::::::: > 20 : ///////////////////////// > ::: > : > 10 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > 7 ********************************************* > : > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Aug 15.Aug 30. Aug > > * 3.0-current > + 2.7-stable > / 2.2.6R > : 2.2.7R Enclosed is a shar file which will demo what is posible with gnuplot Enjoy! Josef --------------------ENCLOSED-----------------ENCLOSED----------------------- # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and # have default permissions. # # This archive contains: # # pop.plot # population.data # echo x - pop.plot sed 's/^X//' >pop.plot << 'END-of-pop.plot' X#!/usr/local/bin/perl X X# $Id: pop.plot,v 1.2 1998/09/05 03:38:04 jgrosch Exp $ X Xset title "Federal Prison Population" Xset xlabel "Year" Xset ylabel "Population" Xset key Xset grid Xset xtics ("1970" 0, "1975" 5, "1980" 10, "1985" 15, "1990" 20, "1995" 25) X Xplot "population.data" using 3 t "total" with linespoints, \ X "population.data" using 4 t "drug" with linespoints, \ X "population.data" using 6 t "non-drug" with linespoints X Xpause -1 X Xplot "population.data" using 4 t "drug" with linespoints, \ X "population.data" using 6 t "non-drug" with linespoints X Xpause -1 X Xplot "population.data" using 5 t "percentage" with linespoints END-of-pop.plot echo x - population.data sed 's/^X//' >population.data << 'END-of-population.data' X# X# $Id: population.data,v 1.3 1998/09/05 03:38:59 jgrosch Exp $ X# X# column 1 - year X# column 2 - total in custody X# column 3 - total sentenced X# column 4 - total drug offenders X# column 5 - percentage drug offenders X# column 5 - non-drug offenders X# X1970 21266 20686 3384 16.3 17302 X1971 20891 20529 3495 7.0 17034 X1972 22090 20729 3523 16.9 17206 X1973 23336 22038 5652 25.6 16386 X1974 23690 21769 6203 28.4 15566 X1975 23566 20692 5540 26.7 15152 X1976 27033 24135 6425 26.6 17710 X1977 29877 25673 6743 26.2 18930 X1978 27674 23501 5981 25.4 17520 X1979 24810 21539 5468 25.3 16071 X1980 24252 19023 4749 24.9 14274 X1981 26195 19765 5076 25.6 14689 X1982 28133 20938 5518 26.3 15420 X1983 30214 26027 7201 27.6 18826 X1984 32317 27622 8152 29.5 19470 X1985 36042 27623 9491 34.3 18132 X1986 40505 31831 12119 38.1 19712 X1987 43683 34163 14354 42.0 19809 X1988 43401 34680 15526 44.8 19154 X1989 50173 38969 19459 49.9 19510 X1990 57331 47847 25037 52.3 22810 X1991 63711 53526 30498 57.0 23028 X1992 70346 61026 36349 59.6 24677 X1993 79483 70557 42945 60.9 27612 X1994 85290 76186 46743 61.4 29443 X1995 89564 79347 48118 60.6 31229 X1996 94215 83515 50754 60.8 32761 END-of-population.data exit --------------------ENCLOSED-----------------ENCLOSED----------------------- -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 4 22:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17320 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17307 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09314; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "Advocacy List" Subject: Re: Selling older versions of FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:05:17 EDT." <199809050305.UAA25749@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:55:35 -0700 Message-ID: <9311.904974935@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I do think however that the discount sale of older versions not only > will help Walnut Creek, but will help us do better advocacy. For This will never happen, however. It's against WC's policy to sell old stock and that's not going to change. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 5 22:35:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00444 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00439 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01139; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:46:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35F22054.61862C8D@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:40:36 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes CC: Advocacy List Subject: Re: FreeBSD and KDE References: <199809050332.UAA27249@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Francisco Reyes wrote: > > Although I have followed FreeBSD for a couple of years I had not > found the right desktop set of tools, to make it my primary OS. > > Last night I installed KDE and I think that this is something which > not only may work for me, but that fits very well with what many new > users would feel confortable with. > > I think it may be a good idea to present KDE as a good starting > environment for new users. Anyone who is experience or is used to > other window managers can remain using whatever they want, but for a > new user the integration in KDE simplifies a lot of things. > > Comments/thoughts? Yeah - make up an entry for the X desktop contest and submit it! I've been wondering why nobody has done this yet. It should be pretty simple, it mostly just needs to depend on the KDE-all package, plus any customizations you think might be needed. I've been contemplating packaging my own setup, whic is basically Enlightenment + SwingMetal theme, rxvt, Netscape, and both emacs and aXe for editors. I find it to be quite workable, and attractive enough without stealing too much of my desktop space. Since I'm a judge, I wouldn't be eligible to win any of the prizes, but others may find this setup useful. > I think after getting KDE the only other thing I need to be able make > FreeBSD my primary OS is an office type of application. With any luck > the upcoming Applixware suite will fill this void. And of course > eventually KDE Office may also do the trick. Or perhaps even the upcoming Linux version of Wordperfect, especially if they choose to "Suite-en" it? ;^) I've been using Wingz for the past several months, and have no complaints about it functionally, but it won't load my Excel-based expense report template, so I still have to (shudder) boot Lose95 occasionally. Ick! -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message