From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 15 08:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10077 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:29:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from valis.goatsucker.org (dialup-port1.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10041 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsm@acm.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by valis.goatsucker.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA01725; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:28:35 GMT (envelope-from scott) Message-ID: <19981115162834.44387@goatsucker.org> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:28:34 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: JKH quoted in Internet Computing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I hope this hasn't been mentioned already (my -advocacy subscription seems to have died; haven't seen anything in over a week.) Anyway, there's a brief quote from Jordan in the current IEEE Internet Computing, part of a piece on the freebie Solaris (supposed to encourage people to develop for it -- so they ship it without a compiler. Clever). ... Open-source advocates clearly disagree. "Without the source code, there's only so much 'development' one can do---which is very little," says Jordan K. Hubbard, coporate liasion for FreeBSD, a nonproprietary advanced Unix operating system for PC-compatibles. It's nice to see jkh getting quoted in these things rather than esr or some other Linux evangelist. Of course, there is yet another plug for the 'Bazaar' paper in the same issue, but you can't have everything your own way all the time, I guess :( URL for the above article is: http://computer.org/internet/v2n5/w5news.htm#solaris Cheers, Scott. -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 16 02:32:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17910 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:32:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA17905 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:32:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id KABXEDZJ; Mon, 16 Nov 98 10:31:54 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981116113154.0092cc90@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:31:54 +0100 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: StarOffice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone talked to the people at StarDivision about porting? Maybe something like the kind of pre-ordering like we're doing with Applixware right now would get StarOffice 5.0 ported. Or, does the Linux emulation handle it? If I recall correctly, there were some problems with it? In any case, I'd think a native version would be a good thing, considering how it's been released for free personal use, across a wide range of platforms. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 16 07:15:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20478 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:15:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20471 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:15:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pb@ludd.luth.se) Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (pb@father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12275 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:14:57 +0100 From: Peter Brevik Received: (pb@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA19191 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:14:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199811161514.QAA19191@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Anti-M$ Vendor working strategy ..? To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:14:56 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I been thinking after reading some anti M$ pages. About the fact that M$ ties some machine vendors from shipping another operating system. If you ask to have your machine without the operating system or have it with another operating system the answer may be negative. But what if you order the machine ..without a harddisc ..? May this work ? I live in Sweden usualy, and here there is no problem to have your harddisc *empty*, but usualy I order my computers in parts as a rule. And then this problem never arise. I have never heard of a harddisc of the shelf with a enforced pre installed OS. At least until now :-) (and hope it won't change..) /Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 01:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16073 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16062 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) Received: from brunos-sun.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.185]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5/S-4.0) with SMTP; for ""; id JAA25437; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:46:18 GMT Received: locally by brunos-sun (SMI-8.6/QMW-client-3.2b); for "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org"; poster "scott"; id JAA18761; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:45:23 GMT Message-ID: <19981117094522.L20936@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:45:22 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Is there anybody out there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Apologies for sending a test message to the list -- however, I haven't had anything on -advocacy for 10 days now. Majordomo claims I'm subscribed, and all other freebsd lists are working fine, so I'm a little suspicious. Please don't bother replying, I guess I'll know it's working if I get my own message back :) Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 05:48:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13800 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13791 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:48:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA00628 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:48:02 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Message-ID: <19981117154802.A603@shale.csir.co.za> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:48:02 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Larry Ellison mention's FreeBSD... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Another one for the press page: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,28816,00.html Larry Ellsion talking about their new dedicated Oracle servers, mentions FreeBSD as one of a list of candidate OSs for the platform. Maybe we can use it to get native Oracle :) Regards, -Jeremy -- | "Come home my prodigal son, come home and lets be one, --+-- don't want to see you cry, don't make me tell you why, | you've lived in a house with me, my blood has set you free, | in the world you'll surely die, nothing else will satisfy." -MIC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 06:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15906 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15861 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id JAA09419; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:08:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:08:08 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Jeremy Lea cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Larry Ellison mention's FreeBSD... In-Reply-To: <19981117154802.A603@shale.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,28816,00.html > > Larry Ellsion talking about their new dedicated Oracle servers, mentions > FreeBSD as one of a list of candidate OSs for the platform. Maybe we can > use it to get native Oracle :) Right on! Now it would of been cooler if he had said we were in the running and oh yeah were releasing the FreeBSD port of Oracle to FreeBSD just to take that many more sales away from MS. But being in the running and having him acknowledge us is a bonus for sure. Linux im not worried about, the GPL is its own worst enemy in the commerical world. Now netbsd and solaris is a bit different. Maybe it's time that the FreeBSD Mafia paid a nice friendly visit to Mr. Ellison and made him an offer he can't refuse :-) Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." --Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems FreeBSD Consulting. FreeBSD 3.0 is available now! | Phone: (402)573-9124 / ICQ # 20016186 -----------------------------------| 3335 N. 103 Plaza, Omaha, NE 68134 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting, Network Engineering, Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 08:41:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03180 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:41:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03175 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:41:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03629 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd003563; Tue Nov 17 09:40:31 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01044 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:40:28 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199811171640.JAA01044@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Ralph Nader: FreeBSD user? To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:40:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ralph Nader mentioned FreeBSD by name last June; dpes anyone archive these things for a "news" page on freebsd.org? http://www.news.com/News/Item/o,4,23145,00.html Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 09:55:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14716 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14702 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.59.173]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2DF3; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:54:46 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811171640.JAA01044@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:59:21 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Terry Lambert Subject: RE: Ralph Nader: FreeBSD user? Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 17-Nov-98 Terry Lambert wrote: > Ralph Nader mentioned FreeBSD by name last June; dpes anyone > archive these things for a "news" page on freebsd.org? > > http://www.news.com/News/Item/o,4,23145,00.html Mayhaps time for the creation of advocacy.freebsd.org or www.freebsd.org/advocacy ? AFAIK, no archives are being kept... We're are not showing our feathers a lot ;) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 10:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19969 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19955 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA93006; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:26:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811171640.JAA01044@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:25:35 -0500 To: Terry Lambert , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Ralph Nader: FreeBSD user? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 4:40 PM +0000 11/17/98, Terry Lambert wrote: >Ralph Nader mentioned FreeBSD by name last June; dpes anyone >archive these things for a "news" page on freebsd.org? > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/o,4,23145,00.html I'll go out on a limb and guess that the URL you really want is: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,23145,00.html (changing a letter "o" to the digit zero...) Can we archive things like this somewhere, without getting into copyright problems? Some of these news sites clean out old pages after a month or to, so collecting URL's isn't always useful. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 10:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20515 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20506 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.169]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA582; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:28:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:33:02 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Ralph Nader: FreeBSD user? Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Terry Lambert Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 17-Nov-98 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 4:40 PM +0000 11/17/98, Terry Lambert wrote: > Can we archive things like this somewhere, without getting > into copyright problems? Some of these news sites clean > out old pages after a month or to, so collecting URL's > isn't always useful. Save as plain ASCII and reformat under FreeBSD style on the webpages after we got permission by emailing the author/site would be the best plan. Now to find a suitable URL ;) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 13:25:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17314 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:25:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17308 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zfscY-00033C-00; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:25:10 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA03735; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:23:55 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (rasnt-1) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15951; Tue, 17 Nov 98 21:23:52 GMT Message-Id: <3651E902.17224E6F@uk.radan.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:22:10 +0000 From: Mark Ovens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux in the news...again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An article appeared in The Independent yesterday entitled "Linux proves itself a worthy opponent to Windows giant". The article starts with the story that a US clothing chain store, Jay Jacobs, has chosen Linux over NT and other commercial OS's for it's new retail solutions system. The article then goes on to talk about OSS and M$ in general. OK, it's not a FreeBSD article, but at least it's good news about M$ losing out to OSS. The article is on The Independent's web site at http://www.independent.co.uk/net/981116ne/index.html and click the "Eva Pascoe" link. If your browser doesn't support frames the article is also at http://www.independent.co.uk/net/981116ne/story2.html -- When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.uk.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 17 15:27:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09129 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lorax.ubergeeks.com (lorax.ubergeeks.com [206.205.41.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09103 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adrian@lorax.ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by lorax.ubergeeks.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00949 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:27:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from adrian@lorax.ubergeeks.com) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: ADRIAN Filipi-Martin Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ralph Nader: FreeBSD user? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 4:40 PM +0000 11/17/98, Terry Lambert wrote: > >Ralph Nader mentioned FreeBSD by name last June; dpes anyone > >archive these things for a "news" page on freebsd.org? > > > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/o,4,23145,00.html > > I'll go out on a limb and guess that the URL you really want > is: > > http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,23145,00.html > > (changing a letter "o" to the digit zero...) Heh. Did anyone else notice that FreeBSD is hyperlinked but Linux isn't. Another advantage to having a single well defined distribution/site/organization....? :-) Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 18 10:19:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14567 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:19:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14549; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.59.149]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA56D2; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:22:58 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Oyvind Moll , FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Re: distfiles Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hejsa Oyvind... On 18-Nov-98 Oyvind Moll wrote: > * Jeroen Ruigrok >| >| On 17-Nov-98 Satoshi Asami wrote: >| >| > (1) Find backup sites on different continents. Having five sites in >| > Japan is not going to help if the inter-Pacific link is down. >| >| ftpsearch might be a good use for this... ftpsearch.ntnu.no > I thought about this a few months ago. It would be really nice if > ftpsearch was queried at the time of distfile retrieval. Considering > that ftpsearch offers (crude?) sorting by distance to host as well as > limiting to specific domains, it could automate fetching distfiles > from nearby sites. Good idea IMO. As the problem we now are facing is that most packages are dynamically floating around from ftpsite to ftpsite. (PITA ;) > Is this doable; dynamically finding a distsite through a search > engine? It might have to involve getting an MD5 hash from ftpsearch > to ensure that it's the right file, but perhaps that is already in > there. MD5 checksums oughtta be the same for a given file no matter where taken from. So why should FTPSearch provide the MD5 hash? > The main author of ftpsearch (now ftpsearch.lycos.com, btw) -- Tor > Egge -- is a FreeBSD guy, as you might know, so getting some info on > how to do this effectively and robustly should be doable. He might > not resist being coaxed into storing MD5s for distfiles, if they're > not already there. Well, he might be interested in promoting FreeBSD by means of stats for the site? Just like wcarchive.cdrom.com. (CC: to advocacy =) The thing I am wondering about is the fact how we are going to parse the results back to the client and how to provide a means of selecting the distsites. Heh, might even mean another of out (in?)famous native utilities =) Thoughts? > Am I talking nonsense? No, english ;) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 18 16:29:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10731 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.orakel.ntnu.no (apollo.orakel.ntnu.no [129.241.56.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10665 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oyvindmo@orakel.ntnu.no) Received: (qmail 15300 invoked by uid 28778); 19 Nov 1998 00:27:37 -0000 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: distfiles References: From: Oyvind Moll Date: 19 Nov 1998 01:27:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 41 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.39/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Jeroen Ruigrok | | On 18-Nov-98 Oyvind Moll wrote: | > [about using ftpsearch.ntnu.no for finding (nearby) site for | > distfile fetching...] | > Is this doable; dynamically finding a distsite through a search | > engine? It might have to involve getting an MD5 hash from ftpsearch | > to ensure that it's the right file, but perhaps that is already in | > there. | | MD5 checksums oughtta be the same for a given file no matter where | taken from. So why should FTPSearch provide the MD5 hash? To avoid the pain of double-fetching a possibly big file when someone puts a corrupted file on a site close to you. Checking the trojan horse's teeth, or sumtin. I don't think it's considered rude, at least. But then again; might not be worth the trouble. | The thing I am wondering about is the fact how we are going to parse | the results back to the client and how to provide a means of | selecting the distsites. Heh, might even mean another of out | (in?)famous native utilities =) | | Thoughts? M-hm. Some months ago I would have thought it an easy job to get those nice FTPsearch-guys to give us a nice, easily parseable interface to the search engine. What with their recent stunt with going commercial, depending on banners on their web front end, it might be a bit harder. I really don't know; haven't approached any of them yet about this. | > Am I talking nonsense? | | No, english ;) Good grief. What _am_ I doing? -- Øyvind Møll oyvindmo@pvv.ntnu.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 19 02:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10938 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10932 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:08:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgR01-00011s-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:07:42 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA01765; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:07:34 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04057; Thu, 19 Nov 98 10:07:19 GMT Message-Id: <3653EDB0.DE098790@uk.radan.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:06:41 +0000 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-uk-users Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help: panic: cannot mount root Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can someone help with this pls. I gave a colleague one of the free 2.2.6 CD sets. He tried installed it he got "panic: cannot mount root" immediately after the npx0: INT 16 interface message. He has tried disconnecting all his HD's except for the one he is putting FreeBSD on, re-installed on that disk. The install completes successfully but on rebooting he still gets this error. He's tried both with & without the FreeBSD boot manager but gets the same result. I haven't actually seen his m/c as it's a bit difficult for me to go to his house. Has anyone any idea how to fix this as I've never had this problem. I'm concerned that we can fix this as my colleague is a Windows user and sometime Linux user so he's not particularly impressed with FreeBSD so far :-( -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath, Avon, England. Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 19 03:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15924 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:15:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from RAINFORD.ORG.UK (www.rainford.org.uk [195.188.164.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA15915 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin@rainford.org.uk) Received: from rainford.org.uk [195.188.164.13] by RAINFORD.ORG.UK with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 1.76 $; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:29:55 +0000 (BST) Message-ID: <3653F3A8.4674CF72@rainford.org.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:32:08 +0000 From: kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux in the news...again References: <3651E902.17224E6F@uk.radan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Ovens wrote: > An article appeared in The Independent yesterday entitled "Linux proves > itself a worthy opponent to Windows giant". The article starts with the > story that a US clothing chain store, Jay Jacobs, has chosen Linux over > NT and other commercial OS's for it's new retail solutions system. > > The article then goes on to talk about OSS and M$ in general. > > OK, it's not a FreeBSD article, but at least it's good news about M$ > losing out to OSS. > > The article is on The Independent's web site at > http://www.independent.co.uk/net/981116ne/index.html and click the > "Eva Pascoe" link. > > If your browser doesn't support frames the article > is also at > > http://www.independent.co.uk/net/981116ne/story2.html > > > -- > When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. > > Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd > Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions > mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.uk.radan.com > > -------- FreeBSD UK User's Group - Mailing List --------- > To unsubscribe send a message to majordomo@freebsd-uk.eu.org Well if that article is good take a look at the internal memo from Microsoft published on the Open Source web site. They admit that Linux is a better OS than NT4. Unfortunately their conclusion was not to improve NT4 but to look at ways of copy righting the ideas that go into the OS as well as the source to prevent programmers taking the idea and implementing it on a better system, which I suppose means anything from a Commodore 64 upwards. Their is also an article on the same subject on page 3 of last weeks Computer Weekly (November 12 issue) Kevin > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-users" in the body. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 19 05:52:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02445 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 05:52:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02405; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 05:52:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephane@wanadoo.fr) Received: from aralia.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.42] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:50:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from dij2-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.150.112] by smtp.wanadoo.fr for Paris Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:49:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA00509; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:11:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stephane) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:11:49 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199811191311.OAA00509@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> From: Stephane Legrand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: abial@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PicoBSD on the cd-rom of a french magazine X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, PicoBSD 0.31 is distributed on the cd-rom of the November issue of the french magazine "Programmez!" ("Program!" in english). This review is relatively new (this is the 4th issue) and is devoted to the programming with every langages from Perl to Java or Visual Basic and so on. They seem really open to open-source software and to BSD because they have already distributed OpenBSD on the cd-rom. Unfortunately, there is no articles about PicoBSD or FreeBSD in this issue :( If you want to contact them (even in english), the e-mail is feedback@planetepc.fr Stephane Legrand. -- Stephane.Legrand@wanadoo.fr | systeme d'exploitation FreeBSD http://perso.wanadoo.fr/stephane.legrand/ | http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 19 06:22:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05231 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [195.187.243.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05020; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24714; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:27:12 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:27:12 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Stephane Legrand cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, abial@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD on the cd-rom of a french magazine In-Reply-To: <199811191311.OAA00509@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Stephane Legrand wrote: > > Hello, > > PicoBSD 0.31 is distributed on the cd-rom of the November issue of the > french magazine "Programmez!" ("Program!" in english). This review is > relatively new (this is the 4th issue) and is devoted to the > programming with every langages from Perl to Java or Visual Basic and > so on. They seem really open to open-source software and to BSD > because they have already distributed OpenBSD on the cd-rom. > Unfortunately, there is no articles about PicoBSD or FreeBSD in this > issue :( Well, to begin with, PicoBSD 0.31 is relatively old version, but I suppose they just grabbed it from xperimnt/ directory in 2.2.6-R. Then, I'd say that we need to take responsibility of making FreeBSD known in our hands. What I mean is that I can of course write an article on it, but I can't do this for each and every magazine around the world :-) - hence the suggestion that if you experience this lack of documentation or articles in press, perhaps you should try to write one. Writing a one-two page article on what FreeBSD is in general is not a rocket science, and it's a worthy experience in itself. :-) > If you want to contact them (even in english), the e-mail is > feedback@planetepc.fr I have one such article handy, it only needs the translation from Polish to English (and then to French)... That's why I said you (read: "French FreeBSD users") need to take responsibility in your hands. If you decline, then I'll try to contact them, but it's a short-lived solution anyway... Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 19 22:55:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24659 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:55:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au [130.194.166.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24654 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au) Received: from localhost (graeme@localhost) by babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01228 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:54:32 +1100 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:54:32 +1100 (EST) From: Graeme Cross Reply-To: Graeme.Cross@sci.monash.edu.au To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Good report on FreeBSD at Comdex Message-ID: X-Attribution: gjc X-PGP-Key-ID: 702DB549 X-URL: http://www.wsc.monash.edu.au/~graeme/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is a good report on the Walnut Creek booth and FreeBSD at the Linux Today website: http://www.linuxtoday.com/stories/1005.html The first half of the report is on Slackware Linux, the second half is on FreeBSD. The report mentions a number of companies using FreeBSD, the advantages of the Berkeley licence, stability and "The Complete FreeBSD". Well worth a read for some positive FreeBSD press from one of the more widely read Linux websites. Cheers Graeme -- Graeme Cross -- Water Studies Centre, Monash University Random thought #214 (Collect all 243) The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. (Twain) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 19 23:59:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00772 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:59:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00767 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06534 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:59:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <36552142.F9C33E93@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:58:58 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MS claims Linux poses a threat to their monopoly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG See: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2167419,00.html and remember you read it here first. ;^) "I told you so!" -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 20 00:14:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03658 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:14:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Dolinca.IBC.IskraSistemi.Si (Dolinca.IBC.IskraSistemi.Si [194.249.213.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03652 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:14:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brodnik@Dolinca.IBC.IskraSistemi.Si) Received: (from brodnik@localhost) by Dolinca.IBC.IskraSistemi.Si (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA17576 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:18:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from brodnik) From: Andrej Brodnik (Andy) Message-Id: <199811200818.JAA17576@Dolinca.IBC.IskraSistemi.Si> Subject: Unicode and FreeBSD To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:18:44 +0100 (CET) Organization: IBC, Iskra Systems Reply-To: Andrej.Brodnik@IBC.IskraSistemi.Si (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently:-) I got the following message: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "Julia Oesterle (Unicode)" > To: Unicode List > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:54:16 -0800 (PST) > Subject: FW: OS 99 > > Hi -- update help requested: > > > A year ago, the question of which OSs were Unicode compliant was answered > > and > > we constructed the following chart: > > > > \OS Version UI API > > Sun Solaris 2.6 yes yes > > IBM AIX 4.1x yes no > > IBM OS/2 4.1 no yes > > IBM OS/400 3.7 no yes > > SGI IRIX* 6.4 no no > > Next Open Step yes yes > > Apple Rhapsody yes yes > > NetWare 4.x no yes > > Windows NT 4.x yes yes > > Windows 95 no yes > > Windows 98 no yes > > Linux no response > > *(IRIX supports conversions between UCS4, UCS2, UTF8 & other character > > sets) > > > > Has this changed? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Julia Oesterle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What can we say about FreeBSD and Unicode? LPA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 20 00:20:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04130 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04124 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (IDENT:WHAT_THE_HELL_YOU_LOOKING_AT_@d60-147.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.147]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA07708 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:20:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA19821 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:20:05 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981120002004.A19723@nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:20:04 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: EGCS announces steering committee (ie, core team) Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is now another Open Software group that is following BSD's "Politburo" organization. On November 10, 1998 the EGCS steering committee was announced. They say: From its initial conception, the egcs project has strived to organize itself in a manner which prevents any particular individual or company from having control over the project. To that end, when the project was formed several individuals were contacted to make decisions for the egcs project. These individuals come from a variety of backgrounds and represent various groups with an interest in the long term health of GCC. We feel it is in the best interest of the egcs project at this time to turn this informal group into an official steering committee, and to make public its membership. The primary purpose of the steering committee is to make major decisions in the best interests of the egcs project and to ensure that the project adheres to its fundamental principles found in the project's mission statement. "steering committee" is just a fancier market-speak for "core team". So the next time someone in the "Bazaar" criticizes BSD for our management organization, point out their compiler is organized the same way. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 20 09:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27538 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:45:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from o-o.org (o-o.org [207.252.201.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27492 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:45:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from licia@o-o.org) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by o-o.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA14060 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:44:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:44:25 -0600 (CST) From: Licia To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: An inexpensive way to advocate Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It occurred to me the other day, that there is a very nice and inexpensive way to advocate FreeBSD that virtually anyone with $35 or so can do... Go to your local office supply store, and order business cards.. you can get a thousand cards for around $20 to $30 or so plus tax in most places. On the cards, place some sort of text regarding FreeBSD, and the URL for the website. Then, just leave these cards where people involved with computers can find them... in computer stores, the computer areas of book stores, etc... I ordered mine Tuesday, and am expecting them in Monday sometime :) The message I asked to have printed (with lines appropriately sized and centered) is this : FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD is a BSD UNIX operating system for PC compatible computers which offers networking, performance, security, and compatibility features which are superior to many of today's most advanced alternatives, and you get it free. Not great wording, but hopefully it'll get a few people to at least look! :) [ licia@o-o.org ] [ http://www.o-o.org/ ] [ IrcNick : Licia ] [ A happy user of FreeBSD : http://www.freebsd.org/ ] [ Why crawl through windows when you can walk through a door? ] [ This user boycotts all Microsoft products and services ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 20 11:02:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04957 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:02:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.nerds4rent.com (ns2.freedomnet.com [198.240.104.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04950 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:02:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbyanc@freedomnet.com) Received: from freedomnet.com (tech.nerds4rent.com [198.240.104.20]) by mail.nerds4rent.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/antispam) with ESMTP id OAA23299 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:08:43 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3655BC23.E2C441D1@freedomnet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:59:47 -0500 From: Kelly Yancey Organization: FreedomNet - http://www.freedomnet.com/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tell Micro$oft what you think :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for this post from outside the list, but this is just too rich... Micro$oft in their smugness wants us to tell them what we think of the Department of Justice's Anti-Trust suite against them. (Oh poor bastards) Anyway, here is the link for anyone else who cares to share a piece of their mind :) http://www.microsoft.com/misc/inv_howuhelp.htm -- Kelly Yancey "Bill Gates is only a white Persian cat and ~kbyanc@freedomnet.com~ a monocle away from being the villain in a James Bond movie" - comedian Dennis Miller To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 20 13:54:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24521 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24507 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:54:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-109-47.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.109.47]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20225; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:53:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3655E4A5.ACB7921E@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:52:37 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graeme.Cross@sci.monash.edu.au CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good report on FreeBSD at Comdex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Graeme Cross wrote: > > There is a good report on the Walnut Creek booth and FreeBSD at the Linux > Today website: > > http://www.linuxtoday.com/stories/1005.html > > The first half of the report is on Slackware Linux, the second half is on > FreeBSD. > > The report mentions a number of companies using FreeBSD, the advantages of > the Berkeley licence, stability and "The Complete FreeBSD". > > Well worth a read for some positive FreeBSD press from one of the more > widely read Linux websites. > > Cheers > Graeme > > -- > Graeme Cross -- Water Studies Centre, Monash University > > Random thought #214 (Collect all 243) > The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. (Twain) > I didn't know that Altavista use FreeBSD has firewall. Well, now I can put it in my advocacy package :-) -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 20 15:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05818 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05811 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:23:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA27577; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 09:52:29 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA05992; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 09:52:24 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981121095223.G1005@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 09:52:23 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think :) References: <3655BC23.E2C441D1@freedomnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3655BC23.E2C441D1@freedomnet.com>; from Kelly Yancey on Fri, Nov 20, 1998 at 01:59:47PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 20 November 1998 at 13:59:47 -0500, Kelly Yancey wrote: > > Sorry for this post from outside the list, but this is just too > rich... Micro$oft in their smugness wants us to tell them what we think > of the Department of Justice's Anti-Trust suite against them. (Oh poor > bastards) > Anyway, here is the link for anyone else who cares to share a piece of > their mind :) > http://www.microsoft.com/misc/inv_howuhelp.htm Good idea. This is what I wrote: > I do not use Microsoft products, which I consider of inferior quality > and functionality. The fact that the network connection hung twice > while I was trying to fill in this page confirms my opinion. > > As such, I should not be interested in what happens to your company. > But I am. Due to your predatory practices, I find it more and more > difficult to get technical information and software which works on my > machines: you are stifling what you call ``the freedom to innovate''. > You are a nuisance. I have seen nothing technically useful come out > of your company in a decade, and I sincerely hope that the DoJ will at > least stop you in your attempts to change the shape of the industry to > your advantage. Beyond that, I am not interested in what happens to > your company. > > Greg Lehey Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 20 16:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13711 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:31:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13706 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:31:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id QAA09660; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id QAA26118; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:29:34 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id RAA24760; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:29:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3656096D.26C39B31@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:29:33 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think :) References: <3655BC23.E2C441D1@freedomnet.com> <19981121095223.G1005@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > I do not use Microsoft products, which I consider of inferior quality > and functionality. The fact that the network connection hung twice > while I was trying to fill in this page confirms my opinion. > > As such, I should not be interested in what happens to your company. > But I am. Due to your predatory practices, I find it more and more > difficult to get technical information and software which works on my > machines: you are stifling what you call ``the freedom to innovate''. > You are a nuisance. I have seen nothing technically useful come out > of your company in a decade, and I sincerely hope that the DoJ will at > least stop you in your attempts to change the shape of the industry to > your advantage. Beyond that, I am not interested in what happens to > your company. > > Greg Lehey You were much nicer than I, though equally civil. I politely pointed out that I *have* written to my Senator with regards to Microsoft predatory practices a number of times, and asked if perhaps they have heard of him; his name is Orrin Hatch. ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 21 03:11:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02366 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alphazed.com (magrathea.alphazed.com [207.173.202.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA02361 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:11:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@AlphaZed.com) Received: (qmail 10662 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1998 11:11:08 -0000 Received: from dannyl.dircon.co.uk (HELO gw.uk.alphazed.com) (194.112.43.62) by magrathea.alphazed.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 1998 11:11:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 5563 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1998 11:15:07 -0000 Received: from milliard.uk.alphazed.com (HELO AlphaZed.com) (204.130.161.1) by gw.uk.alphazed.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 1998 11:15:07 -0000 Message-ID: <36569EDE.B728B693@AlphaZed.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:07:10 +0000 From: daniel lawrence Organization: AlphaZed, Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters CC: Greg Lehey , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think :) References: <3655BC23.E2C441D1@freedomnet.com> <19981121095223.G1005@freebie.lemis.com> <3656096D.26C39B31@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > I do not use Microsoft products, which I consider of inferior quality > > and functionality. The fact that the network connection hung twice > > while I was trying to fill in this page confirms my opinion. > > > > As such, I should not be interested in what happens to your company. > > But I am. Due to your predatory practices, I find it more and more > > difficult to get technical information and software which works on my > > machines: you are stifling what you call ``the freedom to innovate''. > > You are a nuisance. I have seen nothing technically useful come out > > of your company in a decade, and I sincerely hope that the DoJ will at > > least stop you in your attempts to change the shape of the industry to > > your advantage. Beyond that, I am not interested in what happens to > > your company. > > > > Greg Lehey > > You were much nicer than I, though equally civil. I politely pointed > out that I *have* written to my Senator with regards to Microsoft > predatory practices a number of times, and asked if perhaps they have > heard of him; his name is Orrin Hatch. > > ;^) > > -- > Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? > > Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 > Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com Why be civil? I told them I hope the government kicks their ass, and that no matter what the outcome, I will still never EVER run M$ software on any machine I have control over. -- daniel lawrence AlphaZed, Ltd mailto:danny@AlphaZed.COM http://uk.AlphaZed.COM +44 (0)1322 410 419 London To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 21 03:23:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02916 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02911 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:23:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id DAA01026; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:22:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981121032230.A699@best.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:22:30 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: daniel lawrence , Wes Peters Cc: Greg Lehey , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think :) References: <3655BC23.E2C441D1@freedomnet.com> <19981121095223.G1005@freebie.lemis.com> <3656096D.26C39B31@softweyr.com> <36569EDE.B728B693@AlphaZed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36569EDE.B728B693@AlphaZed.com>; from daniel lawrence on Sat, Nov 21, 1998 at 11:07:10AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 21, 1998 at 11:07:10AM +0000, daniel lawrence wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: > > > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > > I do not use Microsoft products, which I consider of inferior quality > > > and functionality. The fact that the network connection hung twice > > > while I was trying to fill in this page confirms my opinion. > > > [snip] > > > Greg Lehey > > > > You were much nicer than I, though equally civil. I politely pointed > > out that I *have* written to my Senator with regards to Microsoft > > predatory practices a number of times, and asked if perhaps they have > > heard of him; his name is Orrin Hatch. > > > > ;^) > > > > -- > > Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? > > > > Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 > > Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com > > Why be civil? I told them I hope the government kicks their ass, and > that no matter what the outcome, I will still never EVER run M$ software > on any machine I have control over. > > -- > daniel lawrence AlphaZed, Ltd > mailto:danny@AlphaZed.COM http://uk.AlphaZed.COM > +44 (0)1322 410 419 London > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message HELLO!?!? With all due respect to all of you, I fail to see how all this "lets kill MS crap" is part of FreeBSD advocacy. Maybe I am the only one missing something here though? -- Yan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 21 10:36:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07551 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:36:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07546 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crouilla@ucsd.edu) Received: from localhost (crouilla@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA13245; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: sdcc10.ucsd.edu: crouilla owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Rouillard Reply-To: chuck@ucsd.edu To: "Jan B. Koum " cc: daniel lawrence , Wes Peters , Greg Lehey , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think In-Reply-To: <19981121032230.A699@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [snip] > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > Greg Lehey wrote: [chop] > > HELLO!?!? > With all due respect to all of you, I fail to see how all this > "lets kill MS crap" is part of FreeBSD advocacy. Maybe I am > the only one missing something here though? > > -- Yan I somewhat agree with Yan. We shouldn't be giving 'them' more bandwidth on -Advocacy than our own beloved O/S, no? In the words of Donald Trumpp: "Bad press is better than no press at all". -chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 21 14:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27152 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:02:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27144 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:02:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA01163; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:31:50 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA08516; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:31:48 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981122083148.H1005@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:31:48 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: daniel lawrence , Wes Peters Cc: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think :) References: <3655BC23.E2C441D1@freedomnet.com> <19981121095223.G1005@freebie.lemis.com> <3656096D.26C39B31@softweyr.com> <36569EDE.B728B693@AlphaZed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <36569EDE.B728B693@AlphaZed.com>; from daniel lawrence on Sat, Nov 21, 1998 at 11:07:10AM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 21 November 1998 at 11:07:10 +0000, daniel lawrence wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: >> >> Greg Lehey wrote: >>> >>> I do not use Microsoft products, which I consider of inferior quality >>> and functionality. The fact that the network connection hung twice >>> while I was trying to fill in this page confirms my opinion. >>> >>> As such, I should not be interested in what happens to your company. >>> But I am. Due to your predatory practices, I find it more and more >>> difficult to get technical information and software which works on my >>> machines: you are stifling what you call ``the freedom to innovate''. >>> You are a nuisance. I have seen nothing technically useful come out >>> of your company in a decade, and I sincerely hope that the DoJ will at >>> least stop you in your attempts to change the shape of the industry to >>> your advantage. Beyond that, I am not interested in what happens to >>> your company. >>> >>> Greg Lehey >> >> You were much nicer than I, though equally civil. I politely pointed >> out that I *have* written to my Senator with regards to Microsoft >> predatory practices a number of times, and asked if perhaps they have >> heard of him; his name is Orrin Hatch. > > Why be civil? I told them I hope the government kicks their ass, and > that no matter what the outcome, I will still never EVER run M$ software > on any machine I have control over. If you're not civil, they'll pay less attention to you. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 21 21:35:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02043 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scribe.intop.net (scribe.intop.net [206.156.254.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02029 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:35:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smiledon@intop.net) Received: from tourney.intop.net (smiledon@tourney.intop.net [206.156.254.6]) by scribe.intop.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA14883; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:32:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:31:43 -0600 (CST) From: Charlie Schloemer To: chuck@ucsd.edu cc: "Jan B. Koum " , daniel lawrence , Wes Peters , Greg Lehey , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, Chuck Rouillard wrote: > > > [snip] > > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > > Greg Lehey wrote: > [chop] > > > > HELLO!?!? > > With all due respect to all of you, I fail to see how all this > > "lets kill MS crap" is part of FreeBSD advocacy. Maybe I am > > the only one missing something here though? > > > > -- Yan > > I somewhat agree with Yan. We shouldn't be giving 'them' more > bandwidth on -Advocacy than our own beloved O/S, no? In the > words of Donald Trumpp: "Bad press is better than no press at all". > > -chuck I have to concur on this one, too. Love or hate Microsoft, they're largely responsible for the the low cost of PC hardware, making their software accessible and easy for home users. I don't care to ever USE any of this software in my lifetime, but I enjoy being able to build a killer system for $1500. FWIW. :-) -Charlie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 21 22:26:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06765 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:26:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz.hyperreal.org [209.133.83.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06760 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:26:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 27824 invoked by uid 24); 22 Nov 1998 06:25:35 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19981121222234.03dab530@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:25:05 -0800 To: Charlie Schloemer From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:31 AM 11/22/98 -0600, Charlie Schloemer wrote: >Love or hate Microsoft, they're >largely responsible for the the low cost of PC hardware, What? >making their >software accessible and easy for home users. I don't care to ever USE any >of this software in my lifetime, but I enjoy being able to build a killer >system for $1500. FWIW. :-) If Microsoft was into hardware, your "killer" system would cost as much as a car. Widespread competition in a field built upon more-or-less open standards is the only reason why PC hardware is cheap. That and the Asian crisis of course. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- History is made at night; brian@hyperreal.org character is what you are in the dark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message