From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 3 05:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26134 for alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:44:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26117 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mestery@mail.winternet.com) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15253 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:44:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015076; Tue, 3 Feb 98 07:43:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA22749 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:43:29 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:43:29 -0600 (CST) From: Kyle Mestery To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sad but true... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe alpha" While searching for Alpha based systems this morning, here is what I read from a company that used to sell Alpha systems. Also, here is the url: http://www.tdl.com/~netex/computers/alpha.html ---- Due to the recent buy-out of Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) by Compaq and Intel we are not currently selling the Digital Alpha. Digital is closing down its normal Alpha distribution chain. Compaq plans to sell complete Alpha workstations and servers through its normal channels. Digital will become a support branch of Compaq. Intel will continue production of the Alpha for Compaq, but has no plans to produce Alphas for other system integrators. Samsung will be releasing a line of Alphas in April of this year under a licensing agreement with the Digital. Samsung Alpha boards and processors are already available as samples. Reportedly Polywell is already testing the Samsung Alpha. The Samsung Alpha should be widely available to system integrators. We hope to carry the Samsung Alpha product line by April or may of this year. ----- Kyle Mestery | You do not greet death, you punch StorageTek's Network Systems Group | him in the throat repeatedly until 7600 Boone Ave. N., Minneapolis, MN 55428 | he drags you away. -Dennis Leary From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 5 10:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01795 for alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:38:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p168.tfs.net [139.146.210.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01786 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA03148 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:38:19 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199802051838.MAA03148@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Alpha (Fwd) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:38:18 -0600 (CST) Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Thu Jan 1 19:03:58 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe alpha" oops... forgot to Cc: the list... ----- Forwarded message from jbryant ----- >From jbryant Thu Feb 5 12:35:11 1998 Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Alpha In-Reply-To: from Paul Richards at "Jan 30, 98 12:39:04 pm" To: paul@originat.demon.co.uk (Paul Richards) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:35:12 -0600 (CST) Reply-to: jbryant@argus.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Thu Jan 1 19:03:58 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] In reply: > Unfortunately I don't think so. All I've read over the last few days, > not all > relating to Compaq's aquisition, looks very bad for commercial Unix. > From > the press releases I've seen from Compaq the main benefit of the > aquisition is > Digital's support infrastructure. Digital had already shed large parts > of it's corporation. > The alpha chip looked doomed anyhow, the fabrication side of the > business had been sold > to Intel and Digital had already stated that they yould be supporting > the IA-64 chip in the > future. They've also sold off their networking arm as well. It looked to > me at the time like > they were shedding parts of the company that a prospective buyer didn't > want in order to make > them more attractive to said buyer. [blah blah blah] > In other reports (all my reports are from CNET by the way, get lots of > useful news if you subscrib to their daily Why not check what Digital has to say? http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/news/1000mhz_298.html for instance... [I just got that in the "AlphaServer Update" today]... sounds to me like DEC is into Alpha for the LONG-TERM... > mailings) it looks like Unix sales are in very serious decline. NT > outsold unix by a huge margin last year (I forget the figures but you Yes. And PCs also outsold large systems by a very similar percentage... NT has it's place. Unix has it's place... NT will die if it attempts to take over the performance market, it is not capable of doing it efficiently and reliably like Unix and Guardian are. Business is business... Spend $50k - $1 million+ on a system and you will not be running NT, now or in the future on that system. It's a reliability issue, and a bang for the buck issue. Yes, NT can run fast on a fast system, but Unix will run FASTER on the same system, and more reliably too! NT makes a great office fileserver system... Leave it to Unix and Guardian to handle performance tasks... Most of the PC dweebs out there just don't understand the performance computing market, I guess... Got to go... Getting ready for some MC/ServiceGuard cluster configuration changes tonight [yes, unix! HP/UX to be exact]... jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 5 15:32:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22867 for alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:32:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from octopus.originat.demon.co.uk (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22860 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originat.demon.co.uk) Received: by OCTOPUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1KAT9JSN>; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:30:34 -0000 Message-ID: From: Paul Richards To: "'jbryant@unix.tfs.net'" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD/Alpha (Fwd) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:30:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe alpha" On Thursday, February 05, 1998 6:38 PM, Jim Bryant [SMTP:jbryant@unix.tfs.net] wrote: > > In other reports (all my reports are from CNET by the way, get lots of > > useful news if you subscrib to their daily > > Why not check what Digital has to say? > > http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/news/1000mhz_298.html > > for instance... [I just got that in the "AlphaServer Update" > today]... sounds to me like DEC is into Alpha for the LONG-TERM... This should probably be moved to chat if it's going to continue. I don't think imediate announcements such as this have any bearing on what is going to happen in the next 18 months. It'll be business as usual for the staff on the ground at DEC until the Compaq guys decide what they intend doing with the DEC assetts. Compaq have shied away so far from a categorical thumbs up for the future of the Alpha chip. Paul Richards. Originative Solutions Ltd.