From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 03:46:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21482 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 03:46:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA21470 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15450; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:20:05 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:20:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-Reply-To: <199810312351.PAA01388@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Any VGA card? Or this unavailable (to me) DEC creation? > > > > > > Any VGA card should do. Make sure you plug a keyboard in too (or the > > > SRM console will still use the serial console. > > > > > > I'm using a nasty ISA Cirrus card in one machine and a old S3 PCI card > > > in another. The SRM has x86 emulation built in so it can run the card > > > BIOS (ick!). > > > > Actually, this is good news, as the DPT boots itself with the BIOS. The > > new ones even have the DPTMGR (RIAD setup, etc.) running right there. > > You will probably lose with this one, unfortunately. The SRM BIOS > emulation seems specifically for video card BIOS code. > > If I am mistaken, and it both initialises the DPT and also calls the > int19 bootstrap handler, then I will be surprised (and happy). AlphaBIOS supports using the SCSI bios for booting from adapters which it doesn't have built-in drivers for. Not that it helps much in this case. You might need another supported SCSI controller to boot from :-(. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 03:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22780 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 03:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22771 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 03:54:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00510; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:53:08 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:53:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) In-Reply-To: <199810312355.PAA01410@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > [ If you follow this thread, eventually you will be able to install FreeBSD > > on an Alpha Personal Workstation, avoiding many silly mistakes ] > > > > Got the kernel working, loads sysinstall (with strange colors (red > > background, etc.) but the keyboard (console!) is very goofy: > > > > * Does not react (in sysinstall) to any normal keystroke > > * Reacts (correctly) to ^C by asking ``Are you sure you want to abort...'' > > * Reacts correctly to ctl=alt=del > > * Works correctly in alt-F2 > > Whoah. It worked here OK, but that plus the funny colours makes me > think that libdialog is *not* 64-bit clean. > > > * Pause works correctly by allowing scrolling etc. > > You mean scroll lock? > > > * Works correctly in kernel debugger, although some boots cause it to work > > for only one or two characters, until the next ctl-alt-ESC > > Hmm. That's weird. I've seen some i386 keyboard problems as well; I > think there may be a couple of nasties here. > > Thanks for the input; keep plugging when you get the time. I've noticed the stuck keyboard effect before too. I tried a few times yesterday and didn't get that problem. I had it hang once probing for devices. After rebooting, I actually managed to install a system to my spare disk. It worked fairly well apart from the fact that the disk wasn't made bootable and the fstab had entries like da1s1a instead of da1a. After I fixed those manually, the disk booted and appeared to work well. This was with a release built around Wednesday last week. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 08:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26531 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA26525 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:15:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18467 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 17:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810312351.PAA01388@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:18:43 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: ... > > Actually, this is good news, as the DPT boots itself with the BIOS. > > The > > new ones even have the DPTMGR (RIAD setup, etc.) running right there. > > You will probably lose with this one, unfortunately. The SRM BIOS > emulation seems specifically for video card BIOS code. > > If I am mistaken, and it both initialises the DPT and also calls the > int19 bootstrap handler, then I will be surprised (and happy). I'll try later today. Once the system is installed. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 08:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27368 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27358 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18491 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 17:24:36 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810312355.PAA01410@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:24:36 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: > > [ If you follow this thread, eventually you will be able to install > > FreeBSD > > on an Alpha Personal Workstation, avoiding many silly mistakes ] > > > > Got the kernel working, loads sysinstall (with strange colors (red > > background, etc.) but the keyboard (console!) is very goofy: > > > > * Does not react (in sysinstall) to any normal keystroke > > * Reacts (correctly) to ^C by asking ``Are you sure you want to > > abort...'' > > * Reacts correctly to ctl=alt=del > > * Works correctly in alt-F2 > > Whoah. It worked here OK, but that plus the funny colours makes me > think that libdialog is *not* 64-bit clean. The snapshot (from mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/alpha) of the 31st installed completely (almost). Still with red backround, light cyan highlights, etc. > > * Pause works correctly by allowing scrolling etc. > > You mean scroll lock? Yup. > > * Works correctly in kernel debugger, although some boots cause it to > > work > > for only one or two characters, until the next ctl-alt-ESC > > Hmm. That's weird. I've seen some i386 keyboard problems as well; I > think there may be a couple of nasties here. I must admit the keyboard is an HP i386 PC keyboard (all I have in the house). > Thanks for the input; keep plugging when you get the time. My pleasure. Here is where I stand now: Sysinstall finished, but /boot (as seen from vc4 - Alt-F4 :-) is empty. /usr/mdec has boot1, loader and netboot. This is not matching the i386 directory at all. What should I put in /boot before I shutdown the machine? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 08:24:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27943 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:24:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27935 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18519 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 17:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:28:14 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > AlphaBIOS supports using the SCSI bios for booting from adapters which > it > doesn't have built-in drivers for. Not that it helps much in this case. > You might need another supported SCSI controller to boot from :-(. I am booting (for now) from the card that came with the machine (BusLogic?). Can you wlaborate on ``not much help'' ? The DPT runs its own firmware in ints own CPU (68040 on the 4th generation cards and i960 on the 5th generation (i2o etc.). The BIOS is used for booting and i/o for the firmware on both. I belive I can obtain an Alpha BIOS. What should I ask for exactly? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 08:27:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28268 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:27:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28262 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:27:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18527 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 17:30:45 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:30:45 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > I've noticed the stuck keyboard effect before too. I tried a few times > yesterday and didn't get that problem. I had it hang once probing for > devices. After rebooting, I actually managed to install a system to my > spare disk. It worked fairly well apart from the fact that the disk > wasn't made bootable and the fstab had entries like da1s1a instead of > da1a. After I fixed those manually, the disk booted and appeared to > work > well. This was with a release built around Wednesday last week. Please elaborate on the ``not made bootable'' part. I finished the install (like I said elsewhere) and am terrified that it will not reboot (took many hours to install ftp...) Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 09:00:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02796 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:00:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02787 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:59:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07726; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:51:57 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:51:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Doug Rabson, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: > > ... > > > AlphaBIOS supports using the SCSI bios for booting from adapters which > > it > > doesn't have built-in drivers for. Not that it helps much in this case. > > You might need another supported SCSI controller to boot from :-(. > > I am booting (for now) from the card that came with the machine (BusLogic?). > Can you wlaborate on ``not much help'' ? > The DPT runs its own firmware in ints own CPU (68040 on the 4th generation > cards and i960 on the 5th generation (i2o etc.). The BIOS is used for > booting and i/o for the firmware on both. I belive I can obtain an Alpha > BIOS. What should I ask for exactly? It isn't much help because we don't yet support booting from Alpha systems which have the AlphaBIOS firmware (as opposed to the SRM firmware). The AlphaBIOS firmware uses an x86 emulator to run the scsi and vga bios on all the cards which it finds and can therefore boot from anything which has an x86 bios which supports booting. The problem is that the SRM firmware (which is what we currently use) can only boot from scsi hardware for which it has a built-in driver. As far as I know, that list is limited to isp, ncr and possibly ahc hardware. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 09:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03764 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:09:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03758 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19577; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Doug Rabson cc: Simon Shapiro , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:51:57 GMT." Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:08:27 -0800 Message-ID: <19567.909940107@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The problem is that the SRM firmware (which is what we currently use) can > only boot from scsi hardware for which it has a built-in driver. As far > as I know, that list is limited to isp, ncr and possibly ahc hardware. Not ahc last I checked on my Durango box, but perhaps there has been an update? I guess I should check - I just assumed that SRM being a cost item (I paid $170 for my copy) meant that you could pretty much forget about any free upgrades. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 09:15:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04717 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:15:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04545 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00385; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:13:21 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:13:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Doug Rabson, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: > > ... > > > I've noticed the stuck keyboard effect before too. I tried a few times > > yesterday and didn't get that problem. I had it hang once probing for > > devices. After rebooting, I actually managed to install a system to my > > spare disk. It worked fairly well apart from the fact that the disk > > wasn't made bootable and the fstab had entries like da1s1a instead of > > da1a. After I fixed those manually, the disk booted and appeared to > > work > > well. This was with a release built around Wednesday last week. > > Please elaborate on the ``not made bootable'' part. I finished the install > (like I said elsewhere) and am terrified that it will not reboot (took many > hours to install ftp...) You need to type something like this before shutting down: # disklabel -B -b /usr/mdec/boot1 /dev/rda0c # cp /usr/mdec/loader /boot # vi /etc/fstab ... remove slice bits from device names ... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 09:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05529 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05520 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:21:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00484; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:20:09 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:20:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Simon Shapiro , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing In-Reply-To: <19567.909940107@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > The problem is that the SRM firmware (which is what we currently use) can > > only boot from scsi hardware for which it has a built-in driver. As far > > as I know, that list is limited to isp, ncr and possibly ahc hardware. > > Not ahc last I checked on my Durango box, but perhaps there has been > an update? I guess I should check - I just assumed that SRM being a > cost item (I paid $170 for my copy) meant that you could pretty much > forget about any free upgrades. You can download updates from ftp.digital.com. It takes some figuring out to decide which bits to download and how to install them but there is a lot of stuff there. I don't really know about ahc support in SRM. I just remember Andrew Gallatin mentioning that he was going to swap an isp for an ahc in one system when we were going through a rough patch and the isp driver was suspected (it wasn't the culprit in the end, it was breakage caused by fsck). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 09:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09740 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:54:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09711 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:54:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18831 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 18:57:54 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19567.909940107@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:57:54 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith , Doug Rabson Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: > > The problem is that the SRM firmware (which is what we currently use) > > can > > only boot from scsi hardware for which it has a built-in driver. As > > far > > as I know, that list is limited to isp, ncr and possibly ahc hardware. > > Not ahc last I checked on my Durango box, but perhaps there has been > an update? I guess I should check - I just assumed that SRM being a > cost item (I paid $170 for my copy) meant that you could pretty much > forget about any free upgrades. I downloaded a new version of the SRM from someplace I forget :-( at what was the DIGITAL web site. I received a new version of the BIOS (APU?) with the cache upgrade. Does any of this make any sense? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 10:51:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16038 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 19009 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 19:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Yes! Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It is installed! [ for the greppers and searchers ] Alpha Personal Workstation 433au OK It installed, and make world (actually buildworld, followed by installworld) completed successfully. Minor Questions remain: * Sysinstall asks about fdisk partitions but the installation ignores the information. Should it? or, should the Alpha simply not ask these offensive DOSish questions? * Assuming only one ``slice'' exists in which to install FreeBSD partitions, how does one create a device with say, 20 filesystems? No, this is not a DPT (yet again :-) question, although it could easily be one. * Who is responsible for the fix which will make the boot disk bootable? If I am, then where is the best place to stick this code (thanks Doug!)? * Upon reboot, I saw the repeated message ``,kernel.old not found'', or some such. Is this an artifact of installworld, or what? * It seems like this machine here has sound interfaces. Does anyone know how to make them work? Thanx a million for a terrifc job! I will now resume my family life and tinkering with DPT stuff to make it Alpha worthy. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 11:14:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19260 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pacific.net (pacific.pacific.net [199.4.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19235 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ufkartfm@pacific.net) Received: from pacific.net (slime-lake.pacific.net [209.209.2.250]) by pacific.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA29516 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:14:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <363C4293.71EFA83A@pacific.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:14:27 +0000 From: curtis Organization: Flying Snail Ranch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: multia - pid 5 (init), uid 0:exited on signal 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org target machine: digital multia/266mhz/64mb - serial console (smile) well, i didn't pay attention to 'Murphy' (this time) and did a 'rebuild' of the (2 floppy disk) netbsd distribution (which went well). [successive install steps elided] now, when i 'boot dka0 -file freebsd', everything 'sails' (very fast) until it gets to the end of the 'cd0' initialization and then starts doing this: cd0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: cd present [295967 x 2048 byte records] pid 5 (init), uid 0: exited on signal 12 Nov 1 18:16:11 init: single user shell terminated, restarting pid 6 (init), uid 0: exited on signal 12 Nov 1 18:16:17 init: single user shell terminated, restarting [snip] and continues going through the pids' (i've let it go to pid 140 and stopped it - and after this message goes out, i am going to let it run to see where it ends up). does anyone out here have a working 'multia' (serial console) kernel... and if so, would you email it to me... please? i would like to do a compare before i put everything back to where it was before this weekends install. tia, -- curtis - ufkartfm@pacific.net - site administrator for Nobody I want Nobody to control my life! How about you? http://www.netvideo.com/nobody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 12:06:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27737 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles355.castles.com [208.214.167.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27717 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05384; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811012004.MAA05384@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson cc: Simon Shapiro , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:13:21 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:04:41 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Please elaborate on the ``not made bootable'' part. I finished the install > > (like I said elsewhere) and am terrified that it will not reboot (took many > > hours to install ftp...) > > You need to type something like this before shutting down: > > # disklabel -B -b /usr/mdec/boot1 /dev/rda0c > # cp /usr/mdec/loader /boot You forgot to copy boot2 from/to the same location. This will lead to a mild disaster (although you can boot the install kernel, not change the floppy so the mfsroot.gz load fails, and it will come up using the harddisk as root). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 12:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02127 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02113 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:32:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 19543 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 21:36:02 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811012004.MAA05384@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Rabson Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > Please elaborate on the ``not made bootable'' part. I finished the > > > install > > > (like I said elsewhere) and am terrified that it will not reboot > > > (took many > > > hours to install ftp...) > > > > You need to type something like this before shutting down: > > > > # disklabel -B -b /usr/mdec/boot1 /dev/rda0c > > # cp /usr/mdec/loader /boot > > You forgot to copy boot2 from/to the same location. This will lead to > a mild disaster (although you can boot the install kernel, not change > the floppy so the mfsroot.gz load fails, and it will come up using the > harddisk as root). I did not copy boot2 because it does not exist in /usr/mdec. Not even after make installworld. It exists in the i386 world, though. I managed to boot by telling the SRM: boot -file kernel.GENERIC dkc0 BTW, who collects packages, etc.? I installed the ports and am slowly compiling packages as I need them. I know the web page has a table of success rates... Simon Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 12:42:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03656 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:42:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03643 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 19598 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 21:46:16 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know that making a kernel with -j8 puts a load on the machine, but LA of 3billion is exccessive :-) Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 13:34:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09789 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:34:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09639 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02161; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16326; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:34:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:34:05 -0500 (EST) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-Reply-To: References: <19567.909940107@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13884.51812.252484.976947@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > > I don't really know about ahc support in SRM. I just remember Andrew > Gallatin mentioning that he was going to swap an isp for an ahc in one > system when we were going through a rough patch and the isp driver was > suspected (it wasn't the culprit in the end, it was breakage caused by > fsck). Sorry to mislead you; at that point I was doing all my booting via bootp, so the lack of ahc support in the SRM console didn't bother me at all. BTW, the only adaptec card that I know of which can be booted off of via the SRM console is the EISA host adaptor that came inside the DEC 2000 & the DECpc AXP 150. I'm not at all sure if the SRM console in other boxes with EISA buses (eg, an AS500) would know what to do with one of these anyway. On the other hand, you can boot from an IDE disk on a Digital Personal Workstation. Digital won't admit it, but Digital UNIX 4.0d boots & runs just fine with an IDE disk as its root disk. I imagine this will work for us once IDE support makes it into FreeBSD/alpha. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 13:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12185 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:53:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12179 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:53:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20628; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:52:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:46:16 EST." Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: <20625.909957178@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I know that making a kernel with -j8 puts a load on the machine, but LA of > 3billion is exccessive :-) The alpha is very fast, Simon, you know that. Loads of over 3 billion hardly faze it! :-) - Jordan P.S. Yeah, guess there are some too-small counter values to track down. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 14:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14510 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles355.castles.com [208.214.167.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14498 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:07:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06107; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811012206.OAA06107@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrew Gallatin cc: Doug Rabson , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:34:05 EST." <13884.51812.252484.976947@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 14:06:10 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On the other hand, you can boot from an IDE disk on a Digital Personal > Workstation. Digital won't admit it, but Digital UNIX 4.0d boots & > runs just fine with an IDE disk as its root disk. I imagine this will > work for us once IDE support makes it into FreeBSD/alpha. Holy smoke! What do these drives show up as? This'll be a lifesaver for anyone with a Multia if it works there. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 14:30:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17372 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17324 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:29:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06998; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:27:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:46:16 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:27:25 -0500 Message-ID: <6994.909959245@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro wrote in message ID : > I know that making a kernel with -j8 puts a load on the machine, but LA of > 3billion is exccessive :-) Top hasn't been ported properly to the Alpha Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 14:46:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19217 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19148 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 20215 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 23:49:36 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20625.909957178@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 18:49:36 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: > > I know that making a kernel with -j8 puts a load on the machine, but LA > > of > > 3billion is exccessive :-) > > The alpha is very fast, Simon, you know that. Loads of over 3 billion > hardly faze it! :-) > > - Jordan > > P.S. Yeah, guess there are some too-small counter values to track > down. :) This all reminds me the transition from PDP to VAX. Al these assumptions about int, long, pointers that blow up. Much fun. Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 14:48:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19605 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19559 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:48:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 20222 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 1998 23:51:36 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6994.909959245@gjp.erols.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 18:51:36 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Gary Palmer Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Palmer, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: > Simon Shapiro wrote in message ID > : > > I know that making a kernel with -j8 puts a load on the machine, but LA > > of > > 3billion is exccessive :-) > > Top hasn't been ported properly to the Alpha Sure looks that way, but it is close. Right now I'll trade a can of caffeine free diet pepsi for a good hint how to compile XF86. Or is it XF26? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 14:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20070 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:50:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20055 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07078; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:50:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 18:51:36 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:50:17 -0500 Message-ID: <7074.909960617@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro wrote in message ID : > Right now I'll trade a can of caffeine free diet pepsi for a good hint how > to compile XF86. Or is it XF26? You could probably get the clients working relatively easily. The servers are a whole other matter. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 15:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22371 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 15:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22293 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 15:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 21333 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 1998 00:13:38 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7074.909960617@gjp.erols.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:13:38 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Gary Palmer Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Palmer, On 01-Nov-98 you wrote: > Simon Shapiro wrote in message ID > : > > Right now I'll trade a can of caffeine free diet pepsi for a good hint > > how > > to compile XF86. Or is it XF26? > > You could probably get the clients working relatively easily. The > servers are > a whole other matter. The makefiles are generated with syntax errors in them, and the ports insist on building at least the SVGA server. I do not care about the servers right now. Make output: rm -f *.CKP *.ln *.BAK *.bak *.o core errs ,* *~ *.a .emacs_* tags TAGS make.log MakeOut *.core "#"* cleaning in programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support/misc... rm -f DONE rm -f *.CKP *.ln *.BAK *.bak *.o core errs ,* *~ *.a .emacs_* tags TAGS make.log MakeOut *.core "#"* cleaning in programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common... rm -f xf86Init_m.c rm -f XF86_Mach8.c rm -f XF86_Mach32.c rm -f XF86_Mach64.c rm -f xf86IniExt.c rm -f xf86MIniExt.c rm -f *.CKP *.ln *.BAK *.bak *.o core errs ,* *~ *.a .emacs_* tags TAGS make.log MakeOut *.core "#"* cleaning in programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common_hw... "Makefile", line 560: Missing dependency operator "Makefile", line 570: Missing dependency operator "Makefile", line 571: Missing dependency operator "Makefile", line 572: Missing dependency operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Looks like some macros get confused someplace. If you look at the Makefiles, there is a leading tab missing. Messing with Imake files is a good way for me to loose health... something I have in short supply. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 15:29:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24898 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 15:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24876 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 15:28:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 21939 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 1998 00:32:30 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:32:30 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Load Test in Progress Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am running, overnight, a load test on the PW 433au. It is equipped with 512MB of RAM and 2MB of L2 (L3?) cache. The test consists of 512 instances of st.c, all against a 128MB partition on the only disk in the system. It started with LA climbing to about 220.xx, and gradually declining to 7.84 (?!). The funny thing is that there is considerable physical I/O going on. St.c simply seeks at random in the file/device given and reads 4KB from it (it knows to do many other evil things). I would have thought that FreeBSD kernel would have completely cached the 128MB. Response to the keyboard and network stays reasonably good, considering the load. A 2xP6-200 machine typically goes on vacation at this load. So, this looks real good, but some questions remain. I will leave the test running overnight. If it is still alive, I'll add some nasty netwok traffic to it. Great Job! and thanx for all this ongoing help! Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 17:36:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12374 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles33.castles.com [208.214.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12367 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:36:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07089; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811020135.RAA07089@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: curtis cc: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: multia - pid 5 (init), uid 0:exited on signal 12 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:14:27 GMT." <363C4293.71EFA83A@pacific.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:35:27 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > target machine: digital multia/266mhz/64mb - serial console > > (smile) well, i didn't pay attention to 'Murphy' (this time) and did a > 'rebuild' of the (2 floppy disk) netbsd distribution (which went well). > > [successive install steps elided] > > now, when i 'boot dka0 -file freebsd', everything 'sails' (very fast) > until it gets to the end of the 'cd0' initialization and then starts > doing this: > > pid 5 (init), uid 0: exited on signal 12 > Nov 1 18:16:11 init: single user shell terminated, restarting You are trying to run a mismatched sh/kernel pair; one is a FreeBSD binary, one is a NetBSD binary. Boot from the NetBSD install floppy again and make sure that you have both from the same source. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 17:43:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12962 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:43:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles33.castles.com [208.214.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12956 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07159; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:42:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811020142.RAA07159@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Yes! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 14:54:51 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:42:48 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It is installed! > > [ for the greppers and searchers ] Alpha Personal Workstation 433au OK > > It installed, and make world (actually buildworld, followed by > installworld) completed successfully. > > Minor Questions remain: > > * Sysinstall asks about fdisk partitions but the installation ignores the > information. Should it? or, should the Alpha simply not ask these > offensive DOSish questions? The SRM console doesn't use them; the install tools should ideally detect this, but we don't properly (yet) handle entire-disk allocation correctly. > * Assuming only one ``slice'' exists in which to install FreeBSD > partitions, how does one create a device with say, 20 filesystems? > No, this is not a DPT (yet again :-) question, although it could easily > be one. You can't do it inside sysinstall. You can probably build/run fdisk and divvy up a non-boot disk into slices, and then put labels on the slices. The SRM console won't boot from a disk with a "normal" MBR on it (I don't think you could come up with a merged block 0 format but I could be wrong). > * Who is responsible for the fix which will make the boot disk bootable? > If I am, then where is the best place to stick this code (thanks Doug!)? We need to work out what's going wrong first; newfs'ing the disk seems to render it unbootable. 8( > * Upon reboot, I saw the repeated message ``,kernel.old not found'', or > some such. Is this an artifact of installworld, or what? It was a bug in /boot/loader; Doug fixed it. > * It seems like this machine here has sound interfaces. Does anyone know > how to make them work? They're probably WSS-compatible. Port the new ISA sound system to the new ISA bus interface. I understand that DMA on the ISA Alpha's is interesting (hence no floppy support). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 19:48:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25153 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:48:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pacific.net (pacific.pacific.net [199.4.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25145 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:48:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ufkartfm@pacific.net) Received: from pacific.net (slime-lake.pacific.net [209.209.2.250]) by pacific.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28193; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:47:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <363CBAEA.1DD5F35A@pacific.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:47:54 +0000 From: curtis Organization: Flying Snail Ranch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: multia - pid 5 (init), uid 0:exited on signal 12 References: <199811020135.RAA07089@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks again mike - very much appreciated!!! after the last message i sent you (about trying again tomorrow) i checked and 'yup', you were right, so i 're-did-it', this was the result [snipped]: FreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision (jkh@beast.cdrom.coSm, Tue Oct 27 07:13:06 PST 1998) FreeBSD 3.0-19981031-SNAP #1: Sun Nov 1 06:34:36 GMT 1998 jkh@beast.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMF /stand/sysinstall running as init on serial console These are the predefined terminal types available to sysinstall when running stand-alone. Please choose the closest match for your particular terminal. 1 ...................... Standard ANSI terminal. 2 ...................... VT100 or compatible terminal. 3 ...................... FreeBSD system console (color). 4 ...................... FreeBSD system console (monochrome). and i am back to sysinstall. tnx agn n'very best2u, curtis Mike Smith wrote: > > > target machine: digital multia/266mhz/64mb - serial console > > > > (smile) well, i didn't pay attention to 'Murphy' (this time) and did a > > 'rebuild' of the (2 floppy disk) netbsd distribution (which went well). > > > > [successive install steps elided] > > > > now, when i 'boot dka0 -file freebsd', everything 'sails' (very fast) > > until it gets to the end of the 'cd0' initialization and then starts > > doing this: > > > > pid 5 (init), uid 0: exited on signal 12 > > Nov 1 18:16:11 init: single user shell terminated, restarting > > You are trying to run a mismatched sh/kernel pair; one is a FreeBSD > binary, one is a NetBSD binary. Boot from the NetBSD install floppy > again and make sure that you have both from the same source. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- curtis - ufkartfm@pacific.net - site administrator for Nobody I want Nobody to control my life! How about you? http://www.netvideo.com/nobody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 20:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01244 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:31:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01223 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 4738 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 1998 05:34:57 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811020142.RAA07159@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:34:57 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Yes! Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 02-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > > * Sysinstall asks about fdisk partitions but the installation ignores > > the > > information. Should it? or, should the Alpha simply not ask these > > offensive DOSish questions? > > The SRM console doesn't use them; the install tools should ideally > detect this, but we don't properly (yet) handle entire-disk allocation > correctly. I did not quite understand you here; I understand the SRM's aversion to (ignorance of) fdisk, and have no objection to it. How impossible is it to allow a device to have more partitions than a-h (with c, and somewhat a and b taken up for special meaning)? Is there a reason we cannot go to 32 partitions? I'll do the work changing sysinstall, disklabel, etc., if there is no show stopper (like number of bits allowed, etc.) or some theological reason. I have long standing reasons to like to be able to have more partitions than 6-7 on a 100GB disk. These reasons grow in importance with the size of the device. > > * Assuming only one ``slice'' exists in which to install FreeBSD > > partitions, how does one create a device with say, 20 filesystems? > > No, this is not a DPT (yet again :-) question, although it could > > easily > > be one. > > You can't do it inside sysinstall. You can probably build/run fdisk > and divvy up a non-boot disk into slices, and then put labels on the > slices. The SRM console won't boot from a disk with a "normal" MBR on > it (I don't think you could come up with a merged block 0 format but I > could be wrong). Why cannot? Because it does not already? - poor excuse. Even Linux allows you to create DOS extended partitions, and if I remember Unixware, we managed to get the limit raies to 32, and that was when 1GB drive was BIIIG. > > * Who is responsible for the fix which will make the boot disk > > bootable? > > If I am, then where is the best place to stick this code (thanks > > Doug!)? > > We need to work out what's going wrong first; newfs'ing the disk seems > to render it unbootable. 8( So you are working on it? I hate to burge in and will gladly leave it in your capable hands. As a stop-gap measure, have you considered reversing the order and doing what Doug suggested AFTER the newfs, thus allowing more noephites to install a bootable system, thus increasing the load of questions and bug reports? > > * It seems like this machine here has sound interfaces. Does anyone > > know > > how to make them work? > > They're probably WSS-compatible. Port the new ISA sound system to the > new ISA bus interface. I understand that DMA on the ISA Alpha's is > interesting (hence no floppy support). I'll try to obtain some information... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 1 21:06:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05513 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05439 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:05:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 4861 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 1998 06:09:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 01:09:43 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Simon Shapiro Subject: RE: Load Test in Progress Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro, On 02-Nov-98 you wrote: > I am running, overnight, a load test on the PW 433au. It is equipped > with > 512MB of RAM and 2MB of L2 (L3?) cache. > > The test consists of 512 instances of st.c, all against a 128MB > partition > on the only disk in the system. > > It started with LA climbing to about 220.xx, and gradually declining to > 7.84 (?!). The funny thing is that there is considerable physical I/O > going on. > > St.c simply seeks at random in the file/device given and reads 4KB from > it > (it knows to do many other evil things). > > I would have thought that FreeBSD kernel would have completely cached > the > 128MB. > > Response to the keyboard and network stays reasonably good, considering > the > load. A 2xP6-200 machine typically goes on vacation at this load. > > So, this looks real good, but some questions remain. I will leave the > test > running overnight. If it is still alive, I'll add some nasty netwok > traffic to it. > > Great Job! and thanx for all this ongoing help! > > Simon More interesting observations: * I NFS mounted /usr/src from nomis (2xP6-200) and ran 5 parallel find | cpio sets, dumping to /dev/null. * The NFS activity peaked and held at almost 4,100 packets/sec each way (on nomis, no way to measure on the Alpha yet) and about 370 NFS transfers/sec. If NFS transfers are 4K, then we have 1.5MB/Sec. This is over 100MBit Ethernet. I know this is comparable to a medium size, older generation NetApps, but is it good? * The LA busieness is baffling. While this load seemed to peak it at 220 or so, it slowly went down (same load!) to 0.6, only to oscilate back up to 15.xx. or even 30.xx. This is most bizarre. Responsiveness seemed to track these numbers so they are somehow anchored in some reality. But what does it all mean? * Later inspection shoed on the console a loop of bash sessions dying on sig 11. Maybe they are associated with the daily crons that decided to kick in just before midnight? In any case, they ceased once I killed the 512 st.c that were running. Then there was a flurry of inetd deaths and sshd death. Maybe some system resource exhausted? Overall, the system sustained this load very well. I'd say, that in this test it does as well as, if not better than the i386. Most encouraging! Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 01:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11677 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:52:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11670 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:52:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02902; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:50:53 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:50:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-Reply-To: <199811012206.OAA06107@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > On the other hand, you can boot from an IDE disk on a Digital Personal > > Workstation. Digital won't admit it, but Digital UNIX 4.0d boots & > > runs just fine with an IDE disk as its root disk. I imagine this will > > work for us once IDE support makes it into FreeBSD/alpha. > > Holy smoke! What do these drives show up as? This'll be a lifesaver > for anyone with a Multia if it works there. I was vaguely thinking that it would be best to wait for the new atapi driver before porting it to the alpha. Perhaps thats a bad idea; does anyone know what timeframe Soren is working towards? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 01:53:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11817 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:53:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11811 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02906; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:52:11 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:52:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: Simon Shapiro , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) In-Reply-To: <199811012004.MAA05384@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > Please elaborate on the ``not made bootable'' part. I finished the install > > > (like I said elsewhere) and am terrified that it will not reboot (took many > > > hours to install ftp...) > > > > You need to type something like this before shutting down: > > > > # disklabel -B -b /usr/mdec/boot1 /dev/rda0c > > # cp /usr/mdec/loader /boot > > You forgot to copy boot2 from/to the same location. This will lead to > a mild disaster (although you can boot the install kernel, not change > the floppy so the mfsroot.gz load fails, and it will come up using the > harddisk as root). In my locally built snapshot, boot2 has been renamed to loader so this bit worked fine. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 03:03:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20556 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20549 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03057; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:45:37 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:45:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Yes! In-Reply-To: <199811020142.RAA07159@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > * Assuming only one ``slice'' exists in which to install FreeBSD > > partitions, how does one create a device with say, 20 filesystems? > > No, this is not a DPT (yet again :-) question, although it could easily > > be one. > > You can't do it inside sysinstall. You can probably build/run fdisk > and divvy up a non-boot disk into slices, and then put labels on the > slices. The SRM console won't boot from a disk with a "normal" MBR on > it (I don't think you could come up with a merged block 0 format but I > could be wrong). Unfortunately the DOS partition table sits right on top of the SRM bootstrap location. I thought of that a while ago :-) > > > * Who is responsible for the fix which will make the boot disk bootable? > > If I am, then where is the best place to stick this code (thanks Doug!)? > > We need to work out what's going wrong first; newfs'ing the disk seems > to render it unbootable. 8( That is a useful data point. I should be able to fix this without too much trouble. > > > * Upon reboot, I saw the repeated message ``,kernel.old not found'', or > > some such. Is this an artifact of installworld, or what? > > It was a bug in /boot/loader; Doug fixed it. > > > * It seems like this machine here has sound interfaces. Does anyone know > > how to make them work? > > They're probably WSS-compatible. Port the new ISA sound system to the > new ISA bus interface. I understand that DMA on the ISA Alpha's is > interesting (hence no floppy support). The dma isn't too hard. I haven't supported isa dma more due to lack of time rather than technical difficulty. I expect I'll work on the floppy support soonish. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 06:32:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19964 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:32:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19937 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:31:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13763; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA17801; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:31:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:31:26 -0500 (EST) To: Mike Smith Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-Reply-To: <199811012206.OAA06107@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <13884.51812.252484.976947@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <199811012206.OAA06107@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13885.48882.447485.570592@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: > > On the other hand, you can boot from an IDE disk on a Digital Personal > > Workstation. Digital won't admit it, but Digital UNIX 4.0d boots & > > runs just fine with an IDE disk as its root disk. I imagine this will > > work for us once IDE support makes it into FreeBSD/alpha. > > Holy smoke! What do these drives show up as? This'll be a lifesaver > for anyone with a Multia if it works there. Don't get too excited. I imagine that the SRM console's recognition of IDE devices is limited to those platforms which ship with Atapi CDROM drives. I think that's limited to DPWs. This almost certainly won't work on a multia. They show up as dkaxxx and dkbxxx on a DPW. I put a WDC AC31600H as the sole drive on the second IDE bus & saw this at boot: Digital UNIX V4.0D (Rev. 878); Mon Dec 29 20:10:32 EST 1997 physical memory = 64.00 megabytes. available memory = 50.61 megabytes. using 238 buffers containing 1.85 megabytes of memory ... ata1 at pci0 slot 207 ata1: Cypress 82C693 scsi1 at ata1 slot 0 rz8 at scsi1 target 0 lun 0 (LID=0) (WDC AC31600H 23.1) .... The disk labels & newfs just fine and can be used as a boot device. Performance is crappy, but no worse than the same drive in an intel with the most conservative ide settings in a FreeBSD kernel(eg, no flags on the wdcX kernel config line). Sorry, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 06:36:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20573 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:36:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles227.castles.com [208.214.165.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20566 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:36:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10836; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811021434.GAA10836@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson cc: Mike Smith , Simon Shapiro , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:52:11 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 06:34:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > You forgot to copy boot2 from/to the same location. This will lead to > > a mild disaster (although you can boot the install kernel, not change > > the floppy so the mfsroot.gz load fails, and it will come up using the > > harddisk as root). > > In my locally built snapshot, boot2 has been renamed to loader so this bit > worked fine. Whoops, that's right, there's only one bootstrap component that's read out of the filesystem. *slap* -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 06:37:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20657 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:37:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA20648 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:37:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 10413 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 1998 15:40:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:40:43 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Gary Palmer Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 02-Nov-98 you wrote: > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > > > Simon Shapiro wrote in message ID > > : > > > Right now I'll trade a can of caffeine free diet pepsi for a good > > > hint how > > > to compile XF86. Or is it XF26? > > > > You could probably get the clients working relatively easily. The > > servers are > > a whole other matter. > > I'm working on the servers right now... If you can pass me the bits that setup the Makefiles, i will work on the package. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 08:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02082 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:14:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schizo.com ([216.27.37.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02073 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:14:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bits@oldwarez.com) Received: from oldwarez.com (bits@oldwarez.com [216.27.37.18]) by schizo.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28734; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:13:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bits@oldwarez.com) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:13:18 -0500 (EST) From: BitS X-Sender: bits@schizo.com To: Doug Rabson cc: Mike Smith , shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Doug Rabson wrote: > > I've noticed the stuck keyboard effect before too. I tried a few times > yesterday and didn't get that problem. I had it hang once probing for > devices. After rebooting, I actually managed to install a system to my If it makes any difference, I've noticed this same problem with OpenBSD on my multia, I never could get through the newfs without a keyboard lockup... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Wimsey Network Engineer dwimsey@rtci.com Research Triangle Consultants, Inc 919-380-9771x3101 http://www.rtci.com http://www.schizo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- He who laughs last, is slow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 09:10:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08766 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:10:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08759 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:10:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 11057 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 1998 18:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:14:08 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: BitS Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) Cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Rabson Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BitS, On 02-Nov-98 you wrote: > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > I've noticed the stuck keyboard effect before too. I tried a few times > > yesterday and didn't get that problem. I had it hang once probing for > > devices. After rebooting, I actually managed to install a system to my > > If it makes any difference, I've noticed this same problem with OpenBSD > on > my multia, I never could get through the newfs without a keyboard > lockup... I had similar experiences with NetBSD. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 12:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28369 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:20:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28364 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01131; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:18:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811022018.MAA01131@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrew Gallatin cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:31:26 EST." <13885.48882.447485.570592@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:18:51 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Mike Smith writes: > > > On the other hand, you can boot from an IDE disk on a Digital Personal > > > Workstation. Digital won't admit it, but Digital UNIX 4.0d boots & > > > runs just fine with an IDE disk as its root disk. I imagine this will > > > work for us once IDE support makes it into FreeBSD/alpha. > > > > Holy smoke! What do these drives show up as? This'll be a lifesaver > > for anyone with a Multia if it works there. > > Don't get too excited. I imagine that the SRM console's recognition of > IDE devices is limited to those platforms which ship with Atapi CDROM > drives. I think that's limited to DPWs. This almost certainly won't > work on a multia. Fooey. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 16:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07354 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:39:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07329 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:39:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shigetoh.kumagai@anu.edu.au) Received: from machine.anu.edu.au (ncds29.anu.edu.au [150.203.23.163]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05405 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:39:00 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <008d01be06c2$1c873e40$a317cb96@machine.anu.edu.au> From: "Shigetoh Howard Kumagai" To: Subject: Multia Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:37:11 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I saw an article about Multia on http://slashdot.org/ which links to http://www.cpumicromart.com/multia/index.cfm Does anyone know this Multia supported with FreeBSD/Alpha? -------->> Sailing OZ <<-->> Match Racing, Offshore, <<------- Shigetoh Kumagai Shigetoh.Kumagai@anu.edu.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 16:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09744 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09739 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:59:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (IDENT:WHAT_THE_HELL_YOU_LOOKING_AT_@d60-147.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.147]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:58:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11795 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 00:58:57 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981102165857.A11784@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:58:57 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Would FreeBSD/Alpha run on this hardware? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Would FreeBSD/Alpha run on this hardware? What x86 chip would it compare to? http://www.cpumicromart.com/multia/index.cfm has this "system" for $99: Systems: Barebones Multia 166mhz DEC Alpha Processor, 256k Cache Integrated Ethernet adapter (RJ45, supports 10baseT, 10base2, ThinNet) 2 PCMCIA slots Integrated SVGA Video Serial and parallel ports PS/2 Style Keyboard and Mouse ports 16 Bit Sound SCSI-2 Adapter Floppy drive Vertical stand for Multia case 90 Day warranty Reseller inquiries for quantity discount on orders of 10 or more Multias are welcome. . . Multia with internal SCSI adapter and 3.5" mounting bracket $99.00 Multia with external SCSI adapter and PCI riser card (there is no space to put a 3.5" internal drive into this machine!) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 17:06:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11087 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:06:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11077 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:06:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02793; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811030105.RAA02793@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Shigetoh Howard Kumagai" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multia In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:37:11 +1100." <008d01be06c2$1c873e40$a317cb96@machine.anu.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:05:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > I saw an article about Multia on http://slashdot.org/ > > which links to http://www.cpumicromart.com/multia/index.cfm > > Does anyone know this Multia supported with FreeBSD/Alpha? Yup, with some caveats. $100 is about twice what people are used to paying for systems in that condition; read the followup comments carefully. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 17:26:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13656 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13648 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shigetoh.kumagai@anu.edu.au) Received: from machine.anu.edu.au (ncds29.anu.edu.au [150.203.23.163]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02931 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:26:45 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <00b701be06c8$c8615380$a317cb96@machine.anu.edu.au> From: "Shigetoh Howard Kumagai" To: Subject: List of supported hardware Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:25:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Is there a list of supported hardware for FreeBSD/Alpha? If not, I would not mind creating one with Pro and Cons. -------->> Sailing OZ <<-->> Match Racing, Offshore, <<------- Shigetoh Kumagai Shigetoh.Kumagai@anu.edu.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 18:00:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18188 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:00:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18175 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03075; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811030159.RAA03075@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would FreeBSD/Alpha run on this hardware? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:58:57 PST." <19981102165857.A11784@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:59:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Would FreeBSD/Alpha run on this hardware? What x86 chip would it compare > to? If you're reading Slashdot, be sure to read the followups. In particular, you need to know: - These systems get *HOT*. They need extra cooling. - You need parity, FPM memory. This can be hard to get. - Integer performance is comparable to a P75. FP performance is comparatively good. - The VX40 (this system) is not upgradeable; other members of family are. And lastly, CPU Micromart are flogging them (using spam) because they couldn't sell them at Onsale for $45.oo each. (Which is where I bought mine. 8) However, yes, FreeBSD/alpha will run on this system, with some caveats. > http://www.cpumicromart.com/multia/index.cfm has this "system" for $99: > > Systems: > Barebones Multia > 166mhz DEC Alpha Processor, 256k Cache > Integrated Ethernet adapter (RJ45, supports 10baseT, 10base2, ThinNet) > 2 PCMCIA slots We don't support these. > Integrated SVGA Video This is a lie. The integrated video is TGA. We do not support this yet (there is work on a driver in progress). > Serial and parallel ports > PS/2 Style Keyboard and Mouse ports > 16 Bit Sound No support for this. > SCSI-2 Adapter NSR53c810. The linux weenies complain about it being slow; we probably perform better on the 810 than they do. > Floppy drive We don't support this yet. > Vertical stand for Multia case Mandatory if you wish to avoid overheating. To install on this animal you will have to use a serial console. You need a *very* recent install floppy set for this, as there was a bug until very recently that prevented syscons from giving up the console, and one fixed somewhat before that that prevented the ethernet from working. Do the firmware upgrade first; get the latest firmware from Digital. Then boot the sysinstall floppy and let 'er rip. If you want to add an Alpha for novelty value, these aren't so bad. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 18:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18786 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18781 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:03:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03116; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811030203.SAA03116@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Shigetoh Howard Kumagai" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of supported hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:25:03 +1100." <00b701be06c8$c8615380$a317cb96@machine.anu.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:03:08 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > Is there a list of supported hardware for FreeBSD/Alpha? Not AFAIK. > If not, I would not mind creating one with Pro and Cons. Please do. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 18:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25512 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25506 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28164; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:56:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Shigetoh Howard Kumagai" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of supported hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:25:03 +1100." <00b701be06c8$c8615380$a317cb96@machine.anu.edu.au> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: <28160.910061782@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there a list of supported hardware for FreeBSD/Alpha? Not yet, though it would be great if somebody wrote one in the style of RELNOTES.TXT which we could use for Alpha releases. The current release notes are more than a bit x86-centric. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 2 19:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27963 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27957 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhuff@cybercom.net) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (rhuff@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA13117 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhuff@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19517; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:18:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:18:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811030318.WAA19517@shell1.cybercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Huff To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of supported hardware In-Reply-To: <199811030203.SAA03116@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: > > If not, I would not mind creating one with Pro and Cons. > > Please do. Let me second that. I'm being held back from buying a system by two factors: 1) there isn't really a coherent native installation and upgrade (i.e. cvsup) process, and 2) I know squat about Alpha hardware. Robert Huff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 01:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13942 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:26:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13922; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06602; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:24:45 GMT Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:24:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Gary Palmer Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1403054269-910085085=:3018" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1403054269-910085085=:3018 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Doug Rabson, On 02-Nov-98 you wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > > > > > Simon Shapiro wrote in message ID > > > : > > > > Right now I'll trade a can of caffeine free diet pepsi for a good > > > > hint how > > > > to compile XF86. Or is it XF26? > > > > > > You could probably get the clients working relatively easily. The > > > servers are > > > a whole other matter. > > > > I'm working on the servers right now... > > If you can pass me the bits that setup the Makefiles, i will work on the > package. I've attached the relavent config files (hope I didn't miss one). You will need to tweak FreeBSD.cf to set BuildServer to NO. I haven't had a chance to work up a set of patches to commit into the port. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. 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3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:56:59 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Top at 3xxxxxxxxx.yy Cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 03-Nov-98 you wrote: > I've attached the relavent config files (hope I didn't miss one). You > will need to tweak FreeBSD.cf to set BuildServer to NO. I haven't had a > chance to work up a set of patches to commit into the port. Thanx! I'll start on it today, or tomorrow. When you have a ports patch, let me know. When I am done, I'll let you know. Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 13:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15478 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebsd.scds.com (jseger.shore.net [204.167.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15426 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:42:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jseger@jseger.scds.com) Received: from jseger.scds.com (localhost.scds.com [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd.scds.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13107 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:41:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jseger@jseger.scds.com) Message-Id: <199811032141.QAA13107@freebsd.scds.com> To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: boot.conf Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:41:32 -0500 From: "Justin M. Seger" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a document of any sorts documenting the format of boot.conf? TIA, -Justin Seger- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 13:58:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18111 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18104 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:58:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00661; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:57:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811032157.NAA00661@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Justin M. Seger" cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:41:32 EST." <199811032141.QAA13107@freebsd.scds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:57:48 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there a document of any sorts documenting the format of boot.conf? It's just a series of commands for the interpreter; the current syntax is described reasonably succinctly in sys/boot/common/help.common, although with the Ficl issue it's likely that there will be some changes coming. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 14:04:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19619 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:04:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19595 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 5751 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Nov 1998 23:08:33 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811032141.QAA13107@freebsd.scds.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:08:33 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Justin M. Seger" Subject: RE: boot.conf Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Justin M. Seger, On 03-Nov-98 you wrote: > Is there a document of any sorts documenting the format of boot.conf? Excellent question. man boot still carries this old, long obsolete specification :-) I figured out you can put things like /boot/kernel.SOMETHING-FUNNY in the file and if indeed there is asuch a file, it will be a kernel. I figured out alos the lines starting with a '#' are comments. I think that if you dig a bit into the usr/mdec (what does mdec stand for?) you may find the parser there... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 15:12:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00732 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00720; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:12:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02394; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:12:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: dfr@FreeBSD.ORG cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -current breakage for alpha release build Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:12:54 -0800 Message-ID: <2390.910134774@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't know if this is one of yours, but my release builds are now falling over with: /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:83: warning: initialization from inco mpatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c: In function `bd_strategy': /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:328: storage size of `bcd' isn't know n *** Error code 1 - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 16:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12524 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12517 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:21:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 21436 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 01:25:16 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811032157.NAA00661@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:25:16 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: boot.conf Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "Justin M.Seger" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 03-Nov-98 you wrote: > > Is there a document of any sorts documenting the format of boot.conf? > > It's just a series of commands for the interpreter; the current syntax > is described reasonably succinctly in sys/boot/common/help.common, > although with the Ficl issue it's likely that there will be some > changes coming. Ficl issue? Missed that one. In case nobody said that publicly, and since you seem the spokesman for the new boot; Job Well Done! Thanx! BTW, I made good on my threat to really get involved in this project; I just installed a compile machine and am rebuilding it now. It is something called AlphaPC LX164 or some such. Looks like a PCI motherboard. Not at all like the PWau. Also, NFS seems reasonable between the two machines. And stability is excellent. Simon BTW, performance is not so bad either. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 16:39:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15661 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15602 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:39:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 14758 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 01:42:42 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:42:42 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What do these mean? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please save me the source hunting. what do the following messages mean? The machine is connected to a 3Com Linkbuilder 9at 100MHz). Everything else on that hub is FreeBSD but on the Intel boards, excpet the other Alpha which has a built-in tulip. de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 96|256) de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 128|512) de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 160|1024) Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 21:13:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18865 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.lgc.com (junior.lgc.com [134.132.72.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18860 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim.king@mail.sstar.com) Received: from oasis.zycor.lgc.com by junior.lgc.com (8.8.8/lgc.1.26) id XAA27962; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:13:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from maroon by oasis.zycor.lgc.com (8.8.8/lgc.1.20) id XAA22216; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:12:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199811040512.XAA22216@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> X-Sender: jim.king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:13:00 -0600 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jim King Subject: AS200 almost boots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [deleted] da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8) da0: 2069MB (4238282 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C) anic: No mfs_root image loaded; can't continue! panic Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc00005adbe0> This is with a 10/31 boot.flp installing 3.0-RELEASE. The first time I booted it complained about not having a boot.conf. Any suggestions? Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 3 22:42:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00260 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:42:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles146.castles.com [208.214.165.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00252 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:42:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00470; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:41:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811040641.WAA00470@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jim King cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS200 almost boots In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:13:00 CST." <199811040512.XAA22216@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:41:30 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [deleted] > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device > da0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8) > da0: 2069MB (4238282 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C) > anic: No mfs_root image loaded; can't continue! > panic > Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) > <0xfffffc00005adbe0> > > This is with a 10/31 boot.flp installing 3.0-RELEASE. The first time I > booted it complained about not having a boot.conf. Any suggestions? Known bug; you can boot the kern.flp image, don't change floppies when prompted and it will boot from the harddisk. Then you'll need to build an up-to-date kernel. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 00:24:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16540 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:24:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles146.castles.com [208.214.165.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16534 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:24:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01087; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811040823.AAA01087@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "Justin M.Seger" Subject: Re: boot.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:25:16 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:23:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Mike Smith, On 03-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > Is there a document of any sorts documenting the format of boot.conf? > > > > It's just a series of commands for the interpreter; the current syntax > > is described reasonably succinctly in sys/boot/common/help.common, > > although with the Ficl issue it's likely that there will be some > > changes coming. > > Ficl issue? Missed that one. In case nobody said that publicly, and since > you seem the spokesman for the new boot; Job Well Done! Thanx! Thanks. Real credit for making it practical has to go to Robert Nordier; without BTX it would never have flown. Ficl is the Forth interpreter we're looking at integrating into the bootstrap, with the goal of using it to keep bloat down and making the bootstrap customisable. It's still a fairly experimental concept. > BTW, I made good on my threat to really get involved in this project; I > just installed a compile machine and am rebuilding it now. > > It is something called AlphaPC LX164 or some such. Looks like a PCI > motherboard. Not at all like the PWau. Yup, sounds like an EB164 or similar. > Also, NFS seems reasonable between the two machines. And stability is > excellent. Hmm. If you want one area where you could make a really significant contribution, it would be to write a fast, reliable, memory-sensible ACCESS RPC cache module for our NFS client. We've been ragged by NetApp for doing far too much ACCESS activity against their filers (60-80% of all network traffic), which would be *really* hurting our performance. I've been rolling a design around for a few days that I wouldn't mind discussing with someone interested in implementing it. It should be fast and more importantly, memory-efficient. > BTW, performance is not so bad either. Yeah, you should try doing some floating point work on these machines. They really smoke! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 01:04:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21138 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21128; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19156; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:03:13 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:03:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: dfr@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current breakage for alpha release build In-Reply-To: <2390.910134774@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Don't know if this is one of yours, but my release builds are > now falling over with: > > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:83: warning: initialization from inco > mpatible pointer type > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c: In function `bd_strategy': > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:328: storage size of `bcd' isn't know > n > *** Error code 1 I think this is breakage from Mike's new block cache. I'll try and look at it later (I'm working on the Xserver right now). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 02:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27554 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27542 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19415; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:03:56 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:03:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do these mean? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > Please save me the source hunting. what do the following messages mean? > The machine is connected to a 3Com Linkbuilder 9at 100MHz). Everything else > on that hub is FreeBSD but on the Intel boards, excpet the other Alpha > which has a built-in tulip. > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 96|256) > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > 128|512) > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > 160|1024) I get these all the time. They are harmless but annoying. The driver seems to set up the wrong values for one of my de cards and then realise its mistake later when it gets a few underflows. I had this with NetBSD too so I haven't tried to debug it. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 04:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16752 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 04:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA16746 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 04:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 6838 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 13:47:21 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:47:21 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: What do these mean? Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > Please save me the source hunting. what do the following messages > > mean? > > The machine is connected to a 3Com Linkbuilder 9at 100MHz). Everything > > else > > on that hub is FreeBSD but on the Intel boards, excpet the other Alpha > > which has a built-in tulip. > > > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > 96|256) > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > 128|512) > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > 160|1024) > > I get these all the time. They are harmless but annoying. The driver > seems to set up the wrong values for one of my de cards and then realise > its mistake later when it gets a few underflows. I had this with NetBSD > too so I haven't tried to debug it. Never seen that in i386, but never managed to get this card working in i386 machine. BTW, what will the ifconfig arguments be when hooking up this card to a 10BaseT hub? Autosense fails. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 06:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01479 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:29:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01474 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05422; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:29:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Jim King cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS200 almost boots In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:13:00 CST." <199811040512.XAA22216@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:29:04 -0800 Message-ID: <5416.910189744@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This is with a 10/31 boot.flp installing 3.0-RELEASE. The first time I > booted it complained about not having a boot.conf. Any suggestions? The alpha bindists had a buggy kernel (which would do what yours did) until about 11/01 or so. See one of the later snapshots - I'm trying to make one right now for copying to ftp.freebsd.org but there are build problems. If you want to replace just the kernel, which works, grab: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/kernel.GENERIC.alpha - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 06:30:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01814 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01809 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:30:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05437; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mike Smith cc: Jim King , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS200 almost boots In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:41:30 PST." <199811040641.WAA00470@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: <5434.910189803@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Known bug; you can boot the kern.flp image, don't change floppies when > prompted and it will boot from the harddisk. Then you'll need to build > an up-to-date kernel. Sorry, I misread this. I thought he meant that the kernel from the bindist was spitting out this message (which, now that I read his message again, I don't know how I got the impression of) - indeed, the best way is to boot kern.flp. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 06:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02160 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:31:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02131 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:31:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29186; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA11073; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:31:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:31:02 -0500 (EST) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do these mean? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13888.25355.591294.275579@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > Please save me the source hunting. what do the following messages mean? > > The machine is connected to a 3Com Linkbuilder 9at 100MHz). Everything else > > on that hub is FreeBSD but on the Intel boards, excpet the other Alpha > > which has a built-in tulip. > > > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 96|256) > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > 128|512) > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > 160|1024) > > I get these all the time. They are harmless but annoying. The driver > seems to set up the wrong values for one of my de cards and then realise > its mistake later when it gets a few underflows. I had this with NetBSD > too so I haven't tried to debug it. I see this on pretty much every 2114x nic I have in i386 & alpha boxes, running FreeBSD, NetBSD & Digital UNIX. I seem remember looking at the driver a few months ago & concluding that this was proper behaviour. It tends to happen frequently when you make the PCI bus really busy. We see it all the time when using disk arrays & Myrinet. FWIW, Digital UNIX behaves the same way given similar workloads: tu0: transmit FIFO underflow: threshold raised to: 256 bytes tu0: transmit FIFO underflow: threshold raised to: 512 bytes tu0: transmit FIFO underflow: threshold raised to: 1024 bytes tu0: transmit FIFO underflow: using store-forward Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 07:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10537 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:26:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pacific.net (pacific.pacific.net [199.4.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10532 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:26:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ufkartfm@pacific.net) Received: from pacific.net (slime-lake.pacific.net [209.209.2.250]) by pacific.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA06319 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:26:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3640018A.A686F6DA@pacific.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 07:26:02 +0000 From: curtis Organization: Flying Snail Ranch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: dec_axppci_33_intr_map Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org during the pci probe and after recognizing de0 on the multia, this shows up: "dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin 16" should i be concerned or ignore? tia, -- curtis - ufkartfm@pacific.net - site administrator for Nobody I want Nobody to control my life! How about you? http://www.netvideo.com/nobody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 08:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18033 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.promo.de (mail.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by mail.promo.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13117 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:19:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:19:29 +0100 From: Stefan Bethke To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multia Message-ID: <1323587.3119188769@d254.promo.de> In-Reply-To: <199811030105.RAA02793@dingo.cdrom.com> Originator-Info: login-id=stefan; server=mail X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0, s/n Evaluation] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote: >> Hi, >> I saw an article about Multia on http://slashdot.org/ >> >> which links to http://www.cpumicromart.com/multia/index.cfm >> >> Does anyone know this Multia supported with FreeBSD/Alpha? > > Yup, with some caveats. $100 is about twice what people are used to > paying for systems in that condition; read the followup comments > carefully. Well, it seems CPU Micromart hasn't the best of reputations... Any tips where else I could find a cheap Alpha? The low speed isn't of much concern, and I really like the small case. Cheers, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 08:28:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18943 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:28:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18788 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:26:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 21022 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 17:30:32 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:30:32 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BuildWorld Breakage? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Any idea why I am getting the following all of a sudden? ===> sys/modules/fpu --- @ --- --- machine --- --- @ --- @ -> /usr/src/3.0/src/sys --- machine --- machine -> /usr/src/3.0/src/sys/alpha/include --- math_emulate.o --- cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -DKERNEL -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimpl icit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nost dinc -I- -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/3.0/src/sys/modules/fpu -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/ 3.0/src/sys/modules/fpu/@ -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/3.0/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr /src/3.0/src/sys/modules/fpu/../../i386/i386/math_emulate.c /usr/src/3.0/src/sys/modules/fpu/../../i386/i386/math_emulate.c: In function `ma th_emulate': /usr/src/3.0/src/sys/modules/fpu/../../i386/i386/math_emulate.c:102: structure h as no member named `pcb_flags' Obviously the whole thing crumbles here. Any idea what/why? Seems like recent work on modules, but what? On the Good News front, with the configs from Doug, I re-built the X11 release. I am now merging it with the port. It built some servers, but who knows what they look like. The few clients I checked, work fine, excpet for som funny colors. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 08:28:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19066 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18878 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 21029 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 17:31:23 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3640018A.A686F6DA@pacific.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: curtis Subject: RE: dec_axppci_33_intr_map Cc: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org curtis, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > during the pci probe and after recognizing de0 on the multia, this > shows up: "dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin 16" > > should i be concerned or ignore? Take the pin out :-) Just KIDDING! Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 08:49:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21403 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:49:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21397 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:49:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00347; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:47:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811041647.IAA00347@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , Jim King , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS200 almost boots In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:30:03 PST." <5434.910189803@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:47:11 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Known bug; you can boot the kern.flp image, don't change floppies when > > prompted and it will boot from the harddisk. Then you'll need to build > > an up-to-date kernel. > > Sorry, I misread this. I thought he meant that the kernel from the > bindist was spitting out this message (which, now that I read his > message again, I don't know how I got the impression of) - indeed, > the best way is to boot kern.flp. Actually, I thought that too; it used to do that when MFS_ROOT was defined before the fix last Friday, which given the date of the snapshot is still quite likely. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 09:06:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24250 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24245 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:06:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00503; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811041705.JAA00503@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stefan Bethke cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multia In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:19:29 +0100." <1323587.3119188769@d254.promo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:05:18 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> Does anyone know this Multia supported with FreeBSD/Alpha? > > > > Yup, with some caveats. $100 is about twice what people are used to > > paying for systems in that condition; read the followup comments > > carefully. > > Well, it seems CPU Micromart hasn't the best of reputations... Any tips > where else I could find a cheap Alpha? > > The low speed isn't of much concern, and I really like the small case. It's the heat you should be worried about. TBH, mine arrived in about 10 days, and it's worked as well as could be expected since then. If you're in Germany though, it's going to cost you another $100 or more to ship the rotten thing, and they don't pack them well. I'd recommend finding a local supplier, or taking one back in your luggage if you visit here. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 09:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25404 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:12:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25397 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00555; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811041711.JAA00555@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BuildWorld Breakage? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:30:32 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:11:10 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Any idea why I am getting the following all of a sudden? > > ===> sys/modules/fpu You shouldn't be building this on the Alpha. There are several of these that need to be disabled; working on it now... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 09:43:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00618 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:43:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pacific.net (pacific.pacific.net [199.4.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00606 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ufkartfm@pacific.net) Received: from pacific.net (slime-lake.pacific.net [209.209.2.250]) by pacific.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06995; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:42:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36402199.A29839AD@pacific.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:42:49 +0000 From: curtis Organization: Flying Snail Ranch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org CC: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" , cas@toad.com, hankm@mtinet.com Subject: Re: dec_axppci_33_intr_map References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (chuckle) i enjoyed the humor. not intending to incite wrath: (imo) using the multia to 'play'*** with the ongoing port of FreeBSD/Alpha is reminiscent of playing adventure @ai on a tty (20+ years ago), _and_ (smile) is just as much fun! *** too many things going on, now, to make 'honest' contributions. (fwiw) one of the things i'm working on is a free h.323 repository; part of which, will feature and point to the FreeBSD bt848/878 work maintained by Roger Hardiman. Simon Shapiro wrote: > > curtis, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > during the pci probe and after recognizing de0 on the multia, this > > shows up: "dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin 16" > > > > should i be concerned or ignore? > > Take the pin out :-) > > Just KIDDING! > > Simon -- curtis - ufkartfm@pacific.net - site administrator for Nobody I want Nobody to control my life! How about you? http://www.netvideo.com/nobody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 10:08:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04249 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04184 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:07:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id CAA01478; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:07:08 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199811041807.CAA01478@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BuildWorld Breakage? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:11:10 PST." <199811041711.JAA00555@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 02:07:06 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote: > > Any idea why I am getting the following all of a sudden? > > > > ===> sys/modules/fpu > > You shouldn't be building this on the Alpha. There are several of > these that need to be disabled; working on it now... "Oops.. What was I thinking??"... Sorry Simon.. again... Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 10:51:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10181 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:51:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schizo.com ([216.27.37.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10172 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:51:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bits@oldwarez.com) Received: from oldwarez.com (bits@oldwarez.com [216.27.37.18]) by schizo.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23158; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:50:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bits@oldwarez.com) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:50:47 -0500 (EST) From: BitS X-Sender: bits@schizo.com To: Stefan Bethke cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multia In-Reply-To: <1323587.3119188769@d254.promo.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Stefan Bethke wrote: > > > Mike Smith wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> I saw an article about Multia on http://slashdot.org/ > >> > >> which links to http://www.cpumicromart.com/multia/index.cfm > >> > >> Does anyone know this Multia supported with FreeBSD/Alpha? > > > > Yup, with some caveats. $100 is about twice what people are used to > > paying for systems in that condition; read the followup comments > > carefully. > > Well, it seems CPU Micromart hasn't the best of reputations... Any tips > where else I could find a cheap Alpha? > > The low speed isn't of much concern, and I really like the small case. > > Cheers, > Stefan > > > -- > Stefan Bethke > Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 > + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 > Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE > D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > I sell you mine, all you gotta do is get it off my desk... in other words... DON'T BUY A MULTIA!... out of the 4 at my place of work that we've bought to play with... the last one died yesterday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Wimsey Network Engineer dwimsey@rtci.com Research Triangle Consultants, Inc 919-380-9771x3101 http://www.rtci.com http://www.schizo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- He who laughs last, is slow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 12:24:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26977 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:24:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26964 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:24:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 24130 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 21:27:51 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:27:51 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Strange Error Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Got this on the console: Nov 2 10:17:32 copper /kernel: calcru: negative time of -8067117 usec for pid 23391 (cc) And buildworld exited with: cc -fpic -DPIC -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/include -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/3.0/src/tmp/usr/include -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/alpha -c ioctl.S -o ioctl.so *** Signal 24 Stop. Nasty, Eh? The system has 640MB of RAM and 256MB of swap. That is the only thing running... Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 12:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03019 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03012 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:54:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01797; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:53:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811042053.MAA01797@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange Error In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:27:51 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:53:14 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a known bug in the current timer code; we are still trying to debug it. A dead chicken worth waving is to put options "NTIMECOUNTER=10" in your kernel config. You should also pass the details to Poul, as he may have things for you to try. Make sure you tell him you're seeing this on an Alpha. > Got this on the console: > > Nov 2 10:17:32 copper /kernel: calcru: negative time of -8067117 usec for > pid 23391 (cc) > > And buildworld exited with: > > cc -fpic -DPIC -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/include > -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP > -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/3.0/src/tmp/usr/include > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/alpha -c ioctl.S -o ioctl.so > *** Signal 24 > > Stop. > > Nasty, Eh? The system has 640MB of RAM and 256MB of swap. That is the > only thing running... > > > > > Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG > 770.265.7340 > Simon Shapiro > > Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 13:11:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05565 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA05552 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 11760 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 22:14:31 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:14:31 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: X11R6 - Sort of Available Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a partially complete X11R6 package available for the Alpha. * None of the server side tools, nor any of the servers are included. * To install the packages, use the pkg_add -f flag. when you install the Xfree86 package, pkg_add will dump core. I guess it does not like to have so many files missing. * All the binaries I checked work, and all the libraries seem to be in place. * The XF86-contrib package built and installed without a hitch (aside from not having its dependencies in place). * If you want to try these, they are at my ftp server: ftp://simon-shapiro.ORG/FreeBSD/Alpha * The XFree86 package is large and still uploading. Its size should be 13,119,459 bytes. * I will try to build and load few more X dependant packages. They will be at the same place. Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 13:17:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06591 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:17:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06510 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:17:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18698 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 22:20:39 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811042053.MAA01797@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Strange Error Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > This is a known bug in the current timer code; we are still trying to > debug it. A dead chicken worth waving is to put > > options "NTIMECOUNTER=10" Done! Thanx! > in your kernel config. You should also pass the details to Poul, as he > may have things for you to try. Make sure you tell him you're seeing > this on an Alpha. Done > > > Got this on the console: > > > > Nov 2 10:17:32 copper /kernel: calcru: negative time of -8067117 usec > > for > > pid 23391 (cc) > > > > And buildworld exited with: > > > > cc -fpic -DPIC -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS > > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/include > > -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE > > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP > > -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/3.0/src/tmp/usr/include > > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/alpha -c ioctl.S -o ioctl.so > > *** Signal 24 > > > > Stop. > > > > Nasty, Eh? The system has 640MB of RAM and 256MB of swap. That is the > > only thing running... > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG > > 770.265.7340 > > Simon Shapiro > > > > Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 13:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11462 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11443 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:40:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 13672 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Nov 1998 22:44:06 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:44:06 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Simon Shapiro Subject: Re: Strange Error Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > Mike Smith, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > > This is a known bug in the current timer code; we are still trying to > > debug it. A dead chicken worth waving is to put > > > > options "NTIMECOUNTER=10" Am getting: COPPER:31: unknown option "NTIMECOUNTER" Is it just an options file omission, or a typo? Simon > > > > > > Got this on the console: > > > > > > Nov 2 10:17:32 copper /kernel: calcru: negative time of -8067117 > > > usec > > > for > > > pid 23391 (cc) > > > > > > And buildworld exited with: > > > > > > cc -fpic -DPIC -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS > > > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/include > > > -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE > > > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP > > > -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/3.0/src/tmp/usr/include > > > -I/usr/src/3.0/src/lib/libc/alpha -c ioctl.S -o ioctl.so > > > *** Signal 24 > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > Nasty, Eh? The system has 640MB of RAM and 256MB of swap. That is > > > the > > > only thing running... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG > > > 770.265.7340 > > > Simon Shapiro > > > > > > Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > -- > > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG > 770.265.7340 > Simon Shapiro > > Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 14:11:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15707 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15702 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02164; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811042209.OAA02164@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Strange Error In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:44:06 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:09:43 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Simon Shapiro, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > > Mike Smith, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > > > > This is a known bug in the current timer code; we are still trying to > > > debug it. A dead chicken worth waving is to put > > > > > > options "NTIMECOUNTER=10" > > Am getting: > > COPPER:31: unknown option "NTIMECOUNTER" > > Is it just an options file omission, or a typo? It's an udocumented testing option; ignore the warning. Should have mentioned that, sorry. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 14:51:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22794 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22785 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21074; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:49:32 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:49:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do these mean? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Doug Rabson, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > > > Please save me the source hunting. what do the following messages > > > mean? > > > The machine is connected to a 3Com Linkbuilder 9at 100MHz). Everything > > > else > > > on that hub is FreeBSD but on the Intel boards, excpet the other Alpha > > > which has a built-in tulip. > > > > > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > > 96|256) > > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > > 128|512) > > > de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to > > > 160|1024) > > > > I get these all the time. They are harmless but annoying. The driver > > seems to set up the wrong values for one of my de cards and then realise > > its mistake later when it gets a few underflows. I had this with NetBSD > > too so I haven't tried to debug it. > > Never seen that in i386, but never managed to get this card working in > i386 machine. BTW, what will the ifconfig arguments be when hooking up > this card to a 10BaseT hub? Autosense fails. I'm not really sure. Mine autosenses correctly for both 10baseT and 100baseT. Maybe 'ifconfig de0 media 10baseT'. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 15:33:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00528 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00348 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 3648 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 00:37:11 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:37:11 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: What do these mean? Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > > Never seen that in i386, but never managed to get this card working in > > i386 machine. BTW, what will the ifconfig arguments be when hooking up > > this card to a 10BaseT hub? Autosense fails. > > I'm not really sure. Mine autosenses correctly for both 10baseT and > 100baseT. Maybe 'ifconfig de0 media 10baseT'. actually it is ... media 10baseT/UTP. Still will not work. Got to find why. One card works (on 100mbit hub). One does not. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 15:35:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00705 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:35:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00689 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:35:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 3652 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 00:38:44 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:38:44 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Compiler Difficulty Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org cc -I. -O -fPIC -Ifd -Ixpm -Ispec -I../FORMS -I../FORMS/private -DMAKING_FD -I../xpm-3.4g -I/usr/X11R6/include -c fd_select.c cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 6 *** Error code 1 This is in xforms, without which xfmail will not compile, without which I am dead... Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 16:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10350 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10343 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:15:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11126; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA13415; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:03:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:03:31 -0500 (EST) To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do these mean? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13888.60182.579508.834117@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro writes: > > Doug Rabson, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > ... > > > > Never seen that in i386, but never managed to get this card working in > > > i386 machine. BTW, what will the ifconfig arguments be when hooking up > > > this card to a 10BaseT hub? Autosense fails. > > > > I'm not really sure. Mine autosenses correctly for both 10baseT and > > 100baseT. Maybe 'ifconfig de0 media 10baseT'. > > actually it is ... media 10baseT/UTP. Still will not work. Got to find > why. One card works (on 100mbit hub). One does not. > > Simon What, exactly are the working & non-working cards? Eg, dmesg output might be helpful.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 17:11:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17567 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:11:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17549 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:11:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 5339 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 02:15:17 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <13888.60182.579508.834117@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:15:17 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: What do these mean? Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin, On 05-Nov-98 you wrote: > > Simon Shapiro writes: > > > > Doug Rabson, On 04-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > Never seen that in i386, but never managed to get this card > working in > > > > i386 machine. BTW, what will the ifconfig arguments be when > hooking up > > > > this card to a 10BaseT hub? Autosense fails. > > > > > > I'm not really sure. Mine autosenses correctly for both 10baseT > and > > > 100baseT. Maybe 'ifconfig de0 media 10baseT'. > > > > actually it is ... media 10baseT/UTP. Still will not work. Got to > find > > why. One card works (on 100mbit hub). One does not. > > > > Simon > > What, exactly are the working & non-working cards? Eg, dmesg output > might be helpful.. Alas, the only kernel that boots is GENERIC from 31-Oct, which the make installworld (of today) does not like one bit. New kernels refuse to boot due to: ncr0: timeout nccb=0xffffffe00011f7c00 (skip) ... Repeats every 30 seconds or so. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 18:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00371 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00362 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:37:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 899 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 03:41:18 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:41:18 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help! My Disks Are GONE... Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The 164LX cannot find the disks after make installworld and a reboot. They are simply gone. the console monitor simply looks for dka0.2000.0 or some such and never finds it. The floppy disks seem to still be there. For a while, it would boot from the disks, only to hang in the device scan. Now, the console (SRM?) cannot find the disks. Any idea is welcome. I got lots of work accomplished there... Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 19:44:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08556 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:44:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA08545 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:44:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 4273 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 04:48:21 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:48:21 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: My First Panic Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While doing very massive rm -rf from about 15 processes, the system paniced with the good old: free vnode isn't The (abbreviated) stack leading to it is: getnewvnode + 0x24 ffs_vget ufs_lookup ufs_vnoperate vfs_cache_lookup ufs_vnoperate lookup namei lstat syscall Xentsys (null() at 0x120008100 I can (relunctantly :-) - until I fix the second alpha, run some tests at your request. Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 20:53:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15348 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:53:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15343 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:53:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04108; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:51:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811050451.UAA04108@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:41:18 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:51:57 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The 164LX cannot find the disks after make installworld and a reboot. > They are simply gone. > > the console monitor simply looks for dka0.2000.0 or some such and never > finds it. The floppy disks seem to still be there. Sounds like the NVRAM may be spooged. What if you try booting an explicit disk (boot dka0)? > For a while, it would boot from the disks, only to hang in the device scan. > Now, the console (SRM?) cannot find the disks. > > Any idea is welcome. I got lots of work accomplished there... Bad, very bad. Board under warranty? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 22:03:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20254 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20249 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20725 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:02:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811050602.WAA20725@ducky.net> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: attempting to install 10/31 snapshot on a Noname Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:02:09 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have a Noname that I am trying to install the 10/29 Alpha snapshot on. This machine has a Quantum Fireball SCSI disk, a Kingston 21140 based ethernet controller, and 32 meg of memory. Right now the machine has NetBSD-1.3.2 on it and that seems quite stable. So I downloaded the 10/29 snapshot, and made the necessary boot floppies. After some difficulties with preparing a floppy for mfsroot.gz (during which I discovered that the FreeBSD kernel will happily boot using the old NetBSD root file system, and run at least some NetBSD binaries--so I know the kernel works well enough to load and run user programs off the hard disk on this machine), I managed to get it to load the mfsroot image and drop into the FreeBSD install screen. Exceedingly cool! But is it really supposed to be red? Anyway... Problem: the install menu is completely non-responsive to keyboard input at this point. However, I can type Alt-F2 and switch to the 2nd virtual console, where there is a bunch of debugging messages. Keyboard input there gets echoed, so I know the keyboard isn't totally wedged. Any suggestions? Thanks, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 4 23:27:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27444 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:27:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles186.castles.com [208.214.165.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27439 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:27:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00484; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:26:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811050726.XAA00484@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Haertel cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: attempting to install 10/31 snapshot on a Noname In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:02:09 PST." <199811050602.WAA20725@ducky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:26:55 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So I downloaded the 10/29 snapshot, and made the necessary > boot floppies. After some difficulties with preparing > a floppy for mfsroot.gz (during which I discovered that > the FreeBSD kernel will happily boot using the old NetBSD > root file system, and run at least some NetBSD binaries--so > I know the kernel works well enough to load and run user > programs off the hard disk on this machine), I managed > to get it to load the mfsroot image and drop into the > FreeBSD install screen. Exceedingly cool! But is it > really supposed to be red? Anyway... No, it's not, and this is a symptom. > Problem: the install menu is completely non-responsive > to keyboard input at this point. Yes, we know about this. No, we don't know (yet) what's wrong, but current suspicion is that it's 64-bit uncleanliness in either ncurses or libdialog. The console driver is fine, and if you reboot a couple of times, you'll probably come up one time and work. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 01:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12570 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 01:32:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12564 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 01:32:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23190; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:30:57 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:30:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > The 164LX cannot find the disks after make installworld and a reboot. > They are simply gone. > > the console monitor simply looks for dka0.2000.0 or some such and never > finds it. The floppy disks seem to still be there. > > For a while, it would boot from the disks, only to hang in the device scan. > Now, the console (SRM?) cannot find the disks. > > Any idea is welcome. I got lots of work accomplished there... When I was cross developing from NetBSD to FreeBSD on the 164LX, I had to power-cycle the thing when switching operating systems before the ncr driver in NetBSD would work right. Try power-cycling it (leave it off for a few seconds etc.). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 01:39:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13622 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 01:39:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13615; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 01:39:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23218; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:38:16 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:38:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: dfr@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current breakage for alpha release build In-Reply-To: <2390.910134774@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Don't know if this is one of yours, but my release builds are > now falling over with: > > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:83: warning: initialization from inco > mpatible pointer type > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c: In function `bd_strategy': > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:328: storage size of `bcd' isn't know > n > *** Error code 1 Did your addition of an include fix this? I just tried a build and it appeared to work. I haven't tested it though. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 04:46:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05626 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 04:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA05621 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 04:46:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 15967 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 13:50:13 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811050451.UAA04108@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 05-Nov-98 you wrote: > > The 164LX cannot find the disks after make installworld and a reboot. > > They are simply gone. > > > > the console monitor simply looks for dka0.2000.0 or some such and never > > finds it. The floppy disks seem to still be there. > > Sounds like the NVRAM may be spooged. What if you try booting an > explicit disk (boot dka0)? Same junk. when powering up it says ``waiting for dka0.2000.0 to poll''. I tried to put another disk in (a seagate baracuda), and it immediately said ``Cannot open dka0.2000.0'' which means to me that it sees the controller, and the controller sees the disks. But, I think you are right; It appears to me that (in the traditional DEC ways) the NVRAM contains some very explicit information and something got confused. > > For a while, it would boot from the disks, only to hang in the device > > scan. > > Now, the console (SRM?) cannot find the disks. > > > > Any idea is welcome. I got lots of work accomplished there... > > Bad, very bad. Board under warranty? Who knows. I borrowed the machine. Do you think the disks are transferrable to another machine? OR is there some black magic involved in adding a disk to one of these creations? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 05:14:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08587 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 05:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA08582 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 05:14:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 23823 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 14:18:22 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:18:22 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 05-Nov-98 you wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > The 164LX cannot find the disks after make installworld and a reboot. > > They are simply gone. > > > > the console monitor simply looks for dka0.2000.0 or some such and never > > finds it. The floppy disks seem to still be there. > > > > For a while, it would boot from the disks, only to hang in the device > > scan. > > Now, the console (SRM?) cannot find the disks. > > > > Any idea is welcome. I got lots of work accomplished there... > > When I was cross developing from NetBSD to FreeBSD on the 164LX, I had > to > power-cycle the thing when switching operating systems before the ncr > driver in NetBSD would work right. Try power-cycling it (leave it off > for > a few seconds etc.). Thanx Doug. But; * There was no O/S switching going on * I left it off overnight * I tried to move the board from slot to slot, or even to put the Qlogic board from the other machine in. Same result. BTW, the disk controller is a DEC creation that has the NCR (by some other name) and a Tulip Ethernet on the same card. Somehow do not feel as if the controller is at fault, but something else. Shall I try to move the controller and its disks to the working machine? Is there a documented way to boot the box over the net with ALL filesystems over NFS? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 06:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15888 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 06:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA15879 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 06:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 20862 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 15:11:16 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811050726.XAA00484@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: attempting to install 10/31 snapshot on a Noname Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 05-Nov-98 you wrote: > > So I downloaded the 10/29 snapshot, and made the necessary > > boot floppies. After some difficulties with preparing > > a floppy for mfsroot.gz (during which I discovered that > > the FreeBSD kernel will happily boot using the old NetBSD > > root file system, and run at least some NetBSD binaries--so > > I know the kernel works well enough to load and run user > > programs off the hard disk on this machine), I managed > > to get it to load the mfsroot image and drop into the > > FreeBSD install screen. Exceedingly cool! But is it > > really supposed to be red? Anyway... > > No, it's not, and this is a symptom. > > > Problem: the install menu is completely non-responsive > > to keyboard input at this point. > > Yes, we know about this. No, we don't know (yet) what's wrong, but > current suspicion is that it's 64-bit uncleanliness in either ncurses > or libdialog. The console driver is fine, and if you reboot a couple > of times, you'll probably come up one time and work. I found that switching to the release of the 31st, rather than the 29th cured this particular problem. As to the mfsroot floppy, I found out that this mad formula works rather well, every time: * When you dd the kernel.flp, make TWO floppies. * Mark one correctly, and put aside. * Leave the second one in the drive and do: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt rm -rf /mnt/* cp mfsroot.gz /mnt umount /mnt sync;sync;sync In other words; The disklabel and newfs operations documented are somehow wrong for this floppy. the filesystem created by the boot/kernel floppy image preparation is correct. Also, Do NOT forget to fix the bootability after tihe install is done. This has been documented by (at least) Doug anmd Mike and summarized by myself. Simon Who finally can offer some help to others! Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 08:31:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00524 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:31:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles325.castles.com [208.214.167.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00511; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03192; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:29:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811051629.IAA03192@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , dfr@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current breakage for alpha release build In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:38:16 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 08:29:05 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Don't know if this is one of yours, but my release builds are > > now falling over with: > > > > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:83: warning: initialization from inco > > mpatible pointer type > > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c: In function `bd_strategy': > > /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmdisk.c:328: storage size of `bcd' isn't know > > n > > *** Error code 1 > > Did your addition of an include fix this? I just tried a build and it > appeared to work. I haven't tested it though. It should have; it was just missing "bootstrap.h". I'm optomisitic that it'll work... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 12:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26679 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:34:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26668 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:34:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24891; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:33:21 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:33:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Doug Rabson, On 05-Nov-98 you wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > > > The 164LX cannot find the disks after make installworld and a reboot. > > > They are simply gone. > > > > > > the console monitor simply looks for dka0.2000.0 or some such and never > > > finds it. The floppy disks seem to still be there. > > > > > > For a while, it would boot from the disks, only to hang in the device > > > scan. > > > Now, the console (SRM?) cannot find the disks. > > > > > > Any idea is welcome. I got lots of work accomplished there... > > > > When I was cross developing from NetBSD to FreeBSD on the 164LX, I had > > to > > power-cycle the thing when switching operating systems before the ncr > > driver in NetBSD would work right. Try power-cycling it (leave it off > > for > > a few seconds etc.). > > Thanx Doug. But; > > * There was no O/S switching going on > * I left it off overnight > * I tried to move the board from slot to slot, or even to put the Qlogic > board from the other machine in. Same result. > > BTW, the disk controller is a DEC creation that has the NCR (by some other > name) and a Tulip Ethernet on the same card. > > Somehow do not feel as if the controller is at fault, but something else. > Shall I try to move the controller and its disks to the working machine? I would try moving just the disks to a working machine and then if that works, test the controller in another machine. > > Is there a documented way to boot the box over the net with ALL filesystems > over NFS? This isn't supported yet. Netbooting just loads the kernel at the moment. I need to write some code to wire up the NFS root mount. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 5 14:49:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13211 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:49:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA13203 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:49:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 4632 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Nov 1998 23:52:48 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:52:48 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 05-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > > Shall I try to move the controller and its disks to the working > > machine? > > I would try moving just the disks to a working machine and then if that > works, test the controller in another machine. Will do as soon as the build finishes. The PW 433au is solid as a rock. I have a feeling as if this is a more stable platform than the i386 is. Definitely can take load in stride. > > Is there a documented way to boot the box over the net with ALL > > filesystems > > over NFS? > > This isn't supported yet. Netbooting just loads the kernel at the > moment. > I need to write some code to wire up the NFS root mount. Just let us know. I am attracted to the idea of having all the disk I/O done in one place; Saves on backup hassles, keeps my source tree uniform, etc. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 01:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09323 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:49:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09316 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:49:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26792; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:47:32 GMT Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:47:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Doug Rabson, On 05-Nov-98 you wrote: > > ... > > > > Shall I try to move the controller and its disks to the working > > > machine? > > > > I would try moving just the disks to a working machine and then if that > > works, test the controller in another machine. > > Will do as soon as the build finishes. The PW 433au is solid as a rock. I > have a feeling as if this is a more stable platform than the i386 is. > Definitely can take load in stride. I have a 433au and a 164lx and they have both been excellent workhorses so far. My 164lx doesn't have the ncr/de combo card though so I have no experience with that. > > > > Is there a documented way to boot the box over the net with ALL > > > filesystems > > > over NFS? > > > > This isn't supported yet. Netbooting just loads the kernel at the > > moment. > > I need to write some code to wire up the NFS root mount. > > Just let us know. I am attracted to the idea of having all the disk I/O > done in one place; Saves on backup hassles, keeps my source tree uniform, > etc. Ok. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 06:46:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06868 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebsd.scds.com (jseger.shore.net [204.167.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06861 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:46:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jseger@jseger.scds.com) Received: from jseger.scds.com (localhost.scds.com [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd.scds.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08862 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:45:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jseger@jseger.scds.com) Message-Id: <199811061445.JAA08862@freebsd.scds.com> To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Booting in single user mode Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:45:58 -0500 From: "Justin M. Seger" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are we still booting into single user mode by default, or is something wrong on my system? I'm running from a world built yesterday on an AlphaStation 200 with a serial console. Whenever it boots, I'm left at a choose a shell prompt, then I have to log in and type sh /etc/rc Am I missing something obvious? TIA, -Justin Seger- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 07:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12989 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12974 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15633; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17460; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:40:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:40:53 -0500 (EST) To: "Justin M. Seger" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting in single user mode In-Reply-To: <199811061445.JAA08862@freebsd.scds.com> References: <199811061445.JAA08862@freebsd.scds.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13891.6088.957405.907290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Justin M. Seger writes: > Are we still booting into single user mode by default, or is something wrong on > my system? I'm running from a world built yesterday on an AlphaStation 200 > with a serial console. Whenever it boots, I'm left at a choose a shell prompt, > then I have to log in and type sh /etc/rc > > Am I missing something obvious? Set the SRM console variable boot_osflags to A. The alpha gets at least some of its boot flags via the prom & not the bootloader.. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 10:01:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05022 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05015 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23611 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:00:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811061800.KAA23611@ducky.net> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: argh^2 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:00:37 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So, in response to the advice to try the 10/31 snapshot instead of the 10/29, I started downloading it. My download died halfway through bin/ during the middle of the night, and when I checked back this morning /pub/FreeBSD/alpha was empty. Please tell me there will be another snapshot soon! Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 10:35:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09865 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09856 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:35:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02512; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:35:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mike Haertel cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: argh^2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:00:37 PST." <199811061800.KAA23611@ducky.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:35:26 -0800 Message-ID: <2508.910377326@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So, in response to the advice to try the 10/31 snapshot instead > of the 10/29, I started downloading it. My download died halfway > through bin/ during the middle of the night, and when I checked > back this morning /pub/FreeBSD/alpha was empty. Please tell me > there will be another snapshot soon! I just now cleaned up in there in preparation for 3.0-19981105-SNAP which is uploading as we speak. I estimate that it will be fully available by 12:00 PDT at the very latest. I'm getting about 43K/sec to wcarchive at the moment. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 12:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27505 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27498 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00654; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811062030.MAA00654@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrew Gallatin cc: "Justin M. Seger" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting in single user mode In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:40:53 EST." <13891.6088.957405.907290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 12:30:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Justin M. Seger writes: > > Are we still booting into single user mode by default, or is something wrong on > > my system? I'm running from a world built yesterday on an AlphaStation 200 > > with a serial console. Whenever it boots, I'm left at a choose a shell prompt, > > then I have to log in and type sh /etc/rc > > > > Am I missing something obvious? > > > Set the SRM console variable boot_osflags to A. > > The alpha gets at least some of its boot flags via the prom & not the > bootloader.. This is only applicable if you are using the NetBSD bootstrap. The FreeBSD bootstrap defaults to autoboot, and largely ignores the flags passed in from the prom. The kernel always takes its flags from the bootloader; the NetBSD bootloader is the culprit here. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 15:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17423 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:03:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17411 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:03:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21770; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:03:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Justin M. Seger" cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Booting in single user mode In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:45:58 EST." <199811061445.JAA08862@freebsd.scds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:03:21 -0500 Message-ID: <21767.910393401@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Justin M. Seger" wrote in message ID <199811061445.JAA08862@freebsd.scds.com>: > Are we still booting into single user mode by default, or is something > wrong on my system? I'm running from a world built yesterday on an > AlphaStation 200 with a serial console. Whenever it boots, I'm left at a > choose a shell prompt, then I have to log in and type sh /etc/rc > > Am I missing something obvious? In the SRM, set boot_osflags to be `A' (without quotes). DGUX needed it, as did NetBSD, so I'm not qutie sure why you don't have that variable setup. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 15:19:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19760 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19528 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:17:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21822; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:15:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Mike Haertel cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: argh^2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:00:37 PST." <199811061800.KAA23611@ducky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <21818.910394158@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Haertel wrote in message ID <199811061800.KAA23611@ducky.net>: > So, in response to the advice to try the 10/31 snapshot instead > of the 10/29, I started downloading it. My download died halfway > through bin/ during the middle of the night, and when I checked > back this morning /pub/FreeBSD/alpha was empty. Please tell me > there will be another snapshot soon! ftp://mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/alpha still has the snaopshots online. They won't be `replaced' untill the automated make world on my alpha at work starts working again. *sigh* Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 19:05:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15201 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:05:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA15189 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:05:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 15770 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 04:09:34 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 23:09:34 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 06-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > I have a 433au and a 164lx and they have both been excellent workhorses > so > far. My 164lx doesn't have the ncr/de combo card though so I have no > experience with that. There was no implication of criticism in my previous posting on the subject. Hardware does go bad. The less PC-like a platform is the more I like it. I do find the SRM monitor to follow the great DEC tradition; Obscure excellence. ... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 22:46:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02686 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA02677 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:46:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 4255 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 07:50:25 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 02:50:25 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PC164LX Outcome Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To all those who helped and cared - Thank you very much. The diagnosis is indeed a dead disk controller. Once I got over my timidity in the face of the unknown (new hardware), and gathered eough junk, and put the kids to bed, I managed to isolate the problem very clearly. Last Question: Exactly what disk controllers can this motherboard support? Where can I get one? Oh, to those who may need a Digital Unix box to make firmware disks, etc. I have a digital disk here and can boot it on request. Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 23:46:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06209 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:46:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles131.castles.com [208.214.165.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06202 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:46:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00421; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811070746.XAA00421@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164LX Outcome In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 02:50:25 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 23:46:04 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > To all those who helped and cared - Thank you very much. > > The diagnosis is indeed a dead disk controller. > Once I got over my timidity in the face of the unknown (new hardware), and > gathered eough junk, and put the kids to bed, I managed to isolate the > problem very clearly. > > Last Question: Exactly what disk controllers can this motherboard support? > Where can I get one? You can expect that the NCR 53c810 and '875 should be supported; if the board has a BIOS just rip it out (eg. ASUS SC875, Diamond Fireport). You'll also be OK with at least some boards with the Qlogic chips on then, I expect the isp1010, 1020 and 1040 would be OK. The NCR's are definitely the easiest to get. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 6 23:54:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06644 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:54:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles131.castles.com [208.214.165.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06639 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00484; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:53:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811070753.XAA00484@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson cc: Mike Smith , Andrew Gallatin , "Justin M. Seger" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting in single user mode In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:08:17 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 23:53:36 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > The alpha gets at least some of its boot flags via the prom & not the > > > bootloader.. > > > > This is only applicable if you are using the NetBSD bootstrap. The > > FreeBSD bootstrap defaults to autoboot, and largely ignores the flags > > passed in from the prom. The kernel always takes its flags from the > > bootloader; the NetBSD bootloader is the culprit here. > > Are you sure? I think that we still use the prom flags in the alpha > loader (they still work anyway - I used them this morning). You'd know 8). I recall a discussion where we decided that we'd autoboot by default, so perhaps it's just that 'a' is implicit and 's' will cause single-user mode? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 00:39:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09544 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 00:39:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09538 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 00:39:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04071; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:38:41 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:38:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Doug Rabson, On 06-Nov-98 you wrote: > > ... > > > I have a 433au and a 164lx and they have both been excellent workhorses > > so > > far. My 164lx doesn't have the ncr/de combo card though so I have no > > experience with that. > > There was no implication of criticism in my previous posting on the > subject. Hardware does go bad. The less PC-like a platform is the more I > like it. Understood. I just wanted to add a positive datapoint for the thing :-) > > I do find the SRM monitor to follow the great DEC tradition; Obscure > excellence. SRM does have its positive aspects. I think AlphaBIOS will be more familiar for most people coming from the PC world though. Booting from AlphaBIOS is likely to be my next project after getting the Xserver going. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 02:11:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17328 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 02:11:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17320 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 02:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14983; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:10:37 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:10:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler Difficulty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > cc -I. -O -fPIC -Ifd -Ixpm -Ispec -I../FORMS -I../FORMS/private -DMAKING_FD > -I../xpm-3.4g -I/usr/X11R6/include -c fd_select.c > cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 6 > *** Error code 1 > > This is in xforms, without which xfmail will not compile, without which I > am dead... Have you tried the gcc patches from my web page (http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/gcc.diff). I needed them to fix a register allocation bug in libX11. They probably fix other things too. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 08:51:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14751 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA14740 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:51:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 26968 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 17:55:21 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811070746.XAA00421@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:55:21 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: PC164LX Outcome Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: > > To all those who helped and cared - Thank you very much. > > > > The diagnosis is indeed a dead disk controller. > > Once I got over my timidity in the face of the unknown (new hardware), > > and > > gathered eough junk, and put the kids to bed, I managed to isolate the > > problem very clearly. > > > > Last Question: Exactly what disk controllers can this motherboard > > support? > > Where can I get one? > > You can expect that the NCR 53c810 and '875 should be supported; if the > board has a BIOS just rip it out (eg. ASUS SC875, Diamond Fireport). > You'll also be OK with at least some boards with the Qlogic chips on > then, I expect the isp1010, 1020 and 1040 would be OK. > > The NCR's are definitely the easiest to get. So, no adaptec? No Buslogic? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 09:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15055 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15049 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:00:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 26988 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 18:04:20 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811061445.JAA08862@freebsd.scds.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Justin M. Seger" Subject: RE: Booting in single user mode Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Justin M. Seger, On 06-Nov-98 you wrote: > Are we still booting into single user mode by default, or is something > wrong on > my system? I'm running from a world built yesterday on an AlphaStation > 200 > with a serial console. Whenever it boots, I'm left at a choose a shell > prompt, > then I have to log in and type sh /etc/rc > > Am I missing something obvious? I have somewhat of the reverse problem. It always boot in MU mode. I do (from the SRM) >>> boot -flags s dkc0 And then from the loader: disk0> boot /boot/kernel.NICKEL and end up in single user as expected. However, if I do: >>> boot dkc0 ... disk0> boot /boot/kernel.NICKEL -s and end up in MU. Oh, on the subject of booting: It also appears as if when there is a /kernel.GENERIC, and a /boot/kernel.GENERIC, what actually boots is /kernel. Sounds strange... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 09:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15193 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:02:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15188 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:02:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 26995 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 18:06:00 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811062030.MAA00654@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:06:00 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Booting in single user mode Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "Justin M.Seger" , Andrew Gallatin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 06-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > > > > Justin M. Seger writes: > > > Are we still booting into single user mode by default, or is > > > something wrong on > > > my system? I'm running from a world built yesterday on an > > > AlphaStation 200 > > > with a serial console. Whenever it boots, I'm left at a choose a > > > shell prompt, > > > then I have to log in and type sh /etc/rc > > > > > > Am I missing something obvious? > > > > > > Set the SRM console variable boot_osflags to A. > > > > The alpha gets at least some of its boot flags via the prom & not the > > bootloader.. > > This is only applicable if you are using the NetBSD bootstrap. The > FreeBSD bootstrap defaults to autoboot, and largely ignores the flags > passed in from the prom. The kernel always takes its flags from the > bootloader; the NetBSD bootloader is the culprit here. As I said in the other post, my experience contradicts you Mike. but that was at 0200 last night, so anything is possible. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 09:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15271 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15266 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:03:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 27007 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 18:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811061800.KAA23611@ducky.net> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:07:11 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Haertel Subject: RE: argh^2 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Haertel, On 06-Nov-98 you wrote: > So, in response to the advice to try the 10/31 snapshot instead > of the 10/29, I started downloading it. My download died halfway > through bin/ during the middle of the night, and when I checked > back this morning /pub/FreeBSD/alpha was empty. Please tell me > there will be another snapshot soon! On which server? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 09:05:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15510 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15483 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:04:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 27011 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 18:08:46 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <21818.910394158@gjp.erols.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:08:46 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Gary Palmer Subject: Re: argh^2 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Palmer, On 06-Nov-98 you wrote: > Mike Haertel wrote in message ID > <199811061800.KAA23611@ducky.net>: > > So, in response to the advice to try the 10/31 snapshot instead > > of the 10/29, I started downloading it. My download died halfway > > through bin/ during the middle of the night, and when I checked > > back this morning /pub/FreeBSD/alpha was empty. Please tell me > > there will be another snapshot soon! > > ftp://mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/alpha still has the snaopshots online. > They won't be `replaced' untill the automated make world on my alpha at > work > starts working again. *sigh* So you are responsible for this wonderful little service! Thanx. BTW do you mean make release, or make world? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 09:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15682 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15677 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 27019 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 18:10:03 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811070753.XAA00484@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:10:03 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Booting in single user mode Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "Justin M.Seger" , Andrew Gallatin , Doug Rabson Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > The alpha gets at least some of its boot flags via the prom & not > > > > the > > > > bootloader.. > > > > > > This is only applicable if you are using the NetBSD bootstrap. The > > > FreeBSD bootstrap defaults to autoboot, and largely ignores the flags > > > passed in from the prom. The kernel always takes its flags from the > > > bootloader; the NetBSD bootloader is the culprit here. > > > > Are you sure? I think that we still use the prom flags in the alpha > > loader (they still work anyway - I used them this morning). > > You'd know 8). I recall a discussion where we decided that we'd > autoboot by default, so perhaps it's just that 'a' is implicit and 's' > will cause single-user mode? I would vote for obeying the flags. Very convinient and I think the SRM remembers your last choice. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 09:33:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18364 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18359 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:33:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00660; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:32:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811071732.JAA00660@ducky.net> To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: argh^2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:08:46 EST." Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:32:39 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro wrote: >Gary Palmer, On 06-Nov-98 you wrote: >> Mike Haertel wrote in message ID >> <199811061800.KAA23611@ducky.net>: >> ftp://mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/alpha still has the snaopshots online. >> They won't be `replaced' untill the automated make world on my alpha at >> work >> starts working again. *sigh* > >So you are responsible for this wonderful little service! Thanx. BTW do >you mean make release, or make world? Actually, in the credit-where-it's-due dept, the release I downloaded yesterday afternoon came from ftp.freebsd.org: /pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981105-SNAP. And it was built by Jordan, witness the kernel startup banner: >FreeBSD 3.0-19981105-SNAP #1: Fri Nov 6 16:51:51 GMT 1998 > jkh@beast.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMFS A couple of observations: - The bit about not making the root disk bootable still isn't fixed yet. I had to boot off the floppy and fix it manually. - To my surprise, the sysinstall partitioning phase did not find the old NetBSD partitions on the disk. The reason I find this surprising is that when I got the mfsroot floppy wrong, the FreeBSD kernel happily found and booted using the NetBSD partitions. So apparently sysinstall and the kernel don't quite look in the same places for the disk label. - The sysinstall screen still gets the colors wrong. Other than these observations, it works great and felt *exactly* like an x86 install. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 10:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23678 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:23:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23663 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00792 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:22:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811071822.KAA00792@ducky.net> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: another small observation Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:22:51 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I type "/sbin/halt", instead of halting back to the SRM console prompt, the machine goes into a "press any key to reboot" state, identical with x86. Then when I hit the any key, it drops back to the SRM console and immediately reboots without giving me a chance to get control. On x86's this concept of "halt" makes sense, since PC BIOSes typically do not have a halted state. But on Alphas it's a real misfeature. The SRM console is a lot more useful than a PC BIOS, in fact it's the nicest console I've seen, and it would be good to be able to get back to it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 10:37:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25314 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25309 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:37:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11905; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:25:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mike Haertel cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: argh^2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:32:39 PST." <199811071732.JAA00660@ducky.net> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: <11901.910463149@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > - The bit about not making the root disk bootable still isn't fixed yet. > I had to boot off the floppy and fix it manually. Sorry, could you refresh my memory - you're saying we need to set a partition active, or something? I'm not sure what the problem is here. Also, just curious: Is the kern.flp working correctly now in that it prompts for and correctly loads the mfsroot, then boots? If not, I still need to beat on the load script. > - To my surprise, the sysinstall partitioning phase did not find the > old NetBSD partitions on the disk. The reason I find this surprising Didn't they just change to 0xA9 or something? FreeBSD's view of the disk is determined solely by libdisk, so if it's out of sync with the kernel's own partition search order, that's something to look into. > - The sysinstall screen still gets the colors wrong. Hmmm. This should still be fixed, but even once it is we can perhaps stick with the same color scheme just to differentiate the alpha install? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 10:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25892 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25887 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA07477; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:40:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Simon Shapiro cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164LX Outcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > You can expect that the NCR 53c810 and '875 should be supported; if the > > board has a BIOS just rip it out (eg. ASUS SC875, Diamond Fireport). > > You'll also be OK with at least some boards with the Qlogic chips on > > then, I expect the isp1010, 1020 and 1040 would be OK. > > > > The NCR's are definitely the easiest to get. > > So, no adaptec? No Buslogic? > No. There was a rumor that newer SRMs would support adaptec, but that hasn't happened. I've had some problems with a couple of NCR boards. I've had the best success with the Qlogic cards. There is a clone vendor for Qlogic (PTI) that has had some problems. And there are some problems with a earlier Qlogic cards (1020A) and earlier SRMs (I don't know the rev)- probably because they tried to do Ultra and couldn't quite get it right. Your best bet for these cases is to take the Qlogic card over to a PC and get into the BIOS and disable sync mode for that target- and see if the SRM is intelligent enough to follow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 10:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27081 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27072 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18564 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 19:58:40 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811071732.JAA00660@ducky.net> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:58:40 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Haertel Subject: Re: argh^2 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Haertel, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > Actually, in the credit-where-it's-due dept, the release I > downloaded yesterday afternoon came from ftp.freebsd.org: > /pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981105-SNAP. > > And it was built by Jordan, witness the kernel startup banner: > > >FreeBSD 3.0-19981105-SNAP #1: Fri Nov 6 16:51:51 GMT 1998 > > jkh@beast.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMFS Thanx Jordan. :-) > A couple of observations: > > - The bit about not making the root disk bootable still isn't fixed yet. > I had to boot off the floppy and fix it manually. > > - To my surprise, the sysinstall partitioning phase did not find the > old NetBSD partitions on the disk. The reason I find this surprising > is that when I got the mfsroot floppy wrong, the FreeBSD kernel > happily found and booted using the NetBSD partitions. So apparently > sysinstall and the kernel don't quite look in the same places for > the disk label. I also noticed that fdisk partitioning is just for decoration; Gets totally ignored. I also could not see the second disk in the disklabel screen, last I checked. > - The sysinstall screen still gets the colors wrong. I sort of like them this way. Blue for IBM/M$, and Red for Digital. > Other than these observations, it works great and felt *exactly* like > an x86 install. Yup. Looks real good. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28819 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA28814 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:08:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 546 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 20:12:22 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <11901.910463149@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:12:22 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: argh^2 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: > > - The bit about not making the root disk bootable still isn't fixed > > yet. > > I had to boot off the floppy and fix it manually. > > Sorry, could you refresh my memory - you're saying we need to set a > partition active, or something? I'm not sure what the problem is > here. Last I checked, disklabel needed to be done (again) AFTER the newfs was done, and /boot did not get populated from /usr/mdec. But this knowledge is a week old. > Also, just curious: Is the kern.flp working correctly now in that it > prompts for and correctly loads the mfsroot, then boots? If not, I > still need to beat on the load script. Last I checked it did. > > - To my surprise, the sysinstall partitioning phase did not find the > > old NetBSD partitions on the disk. The reason I find this surprising > > Didn't they just change to 0xA9 or something? FreeBSD's view of the > disk is determined solely by libdisk, so if it's out of sync with the > kernel's own partition search order, that's something to look into. FreeBSD can see, fsck and mount digital Unix partitions. > > - The sysinstall screen still gets the colors wrong. > > Hmmm. This should still be fixed, but even once it is we can perhaps > stick with the same color scheme just to differentiate the alpha > install? :-) Yup, yup, yup... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:09:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29165 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:09:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA29142 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 1633 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 20:13:35 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Matthew Jacob Subject: Re: PC164LX Outcome Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > > > > You can expect that the NCR 53c810 and '875 should be supported; if > > > the > > > board has a BIOS just rip it out (eg. ASUS SC875, Diamond Fireport). > > > You'll also be OK with at least some boards with the Qlogic chips on > > > then, I expect the isp1010, 1020 and 1040 would be OK. > > > > > > The NCR's are definitely the easiest to get. > > > > So, no adaptec? No Buslogic? > > > > No. There was a rumor that newer SRMs would support adaptec, > but that hasn't happened. > > I've had some problems with a couple of NCR boards. I've had > the best success with the Qlogic cards. There is a clone > vendor for Qlogic (PTI) that has had some problems. And there > are some problems with a earlier Qlogic cards (1020A) and earlier > SRMs (I don't know the rev)- probably because they tried to > do Ultra and couldn't quite get it right. Your best bet for these > cases is to take the Qlogic card over to a PC and get into the > BIOS and disable sync mode for that target- and see if the SRM > is intelligent enough to follow. Thanx, for this weekend, I'll try IDE. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:12:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29520 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29515 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:12:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07637; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:12:25 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: PC164LX Outcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oooh... I don't think the SRM groks IDE at all.... On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > Matthew Jacob, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: > > > > > > > > You can expect that the NCR 53c810 and '875 should be supported; if > > > > the > > > > board has a BIOS just rip it out (eg. ASUS SC875, Diamond Fireport). > > > > You'll also be OK with at least some boards with the Qlogic chips on > > > > then, I expect the isp1010, 1020 and 1040 would be OK. > > > > > > > > The NCR's are definitely the easiest to get. > > > > > > So, no adaptec? No Buslogic? > > > > > > > No. There was a rumor that newer SRMs would support adaptec, > > but that hasn't happened. > > > > I've had some problems with a couple of NCR boards. I've had > > the best success with the Qlogic cards. There is a clone > > vendor for Qlogic (PTI) that has had some problems. And there > > are some problems with a earlier Qlogic cards (1020A) and earlier > > SRMs (I don't know the rev)- probably because they tried to > > do Ultra and couldn't quite get it right. Your best bet for these > > cases is to take the Qlogic card over to a PC and get into the > > BIOS and disable sync mode for that target- and see if the SRM > > is intelligent enough to follow. > > Thanx, for this weekend, I'll try IDE. > > Simon > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:16:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29743 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA29738 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:16:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 7880 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 20:20:18 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:20:18 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NFS Corruption Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this really an alpha issue? I am mounting /usr/src/sys/compile NFS from nomis (i386 FreeBSD). Everything is current as of last night. Make in the kernel failed. Complained about a local header file having syntax errors. Actually, the file was fine, but the cleint (alpha) side had a totally different opinion about the content than what the server saw the file as. Looks like pieces of the directory found their way into the file. Umount followed by mount cured it. Happened under load (4 kernels compiling concurrently, each with -j8). Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:43:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02731 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:43:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02724 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:43:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07687 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:42:42 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: my experiences so far... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (as I slowly shift over toward this....still involved in some legal foo)... So far, I haven't had much luck at Feral. I've a AlphaPC164 and a Multia. The Alpha PC164 I usually just have a serial console for- and that seems to be a problem (kernel freezes about at the point it should shift over to a real console). The Multia I have on a monitor (actually this multia has an ARC instance for linux && NT/Alpha and I switch it to SRM for NetBSD/Digital Unix)- but in booting the latest boot.flp it puked all over my shoes with machine checks and unexpected interrupts, yadda yadda yadda- I'm checking that this wasn't a corrupt floppy (this has been known to have occurred before- the floppies are really flakey on the multia) but that may not be the case. Next step is to pop a graphics card into the PC164... drag... Well, I'll try and all make it work... but from what I see of the packaging, way to guy, guys! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02937 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02932 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07691; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:43:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS Corruption In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've never had this problem with i386 -current. I usually nfs mount a 2x180Mhz PPro onto a Solaris machine which has all the source on it. Never seen a peep. On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > Is this really an alpha issue? > > I am mounting /usr/src/sys/compile NFS from nomis (i386 FreeBSD). > Everything is current as of last night. > > Make in the kernel failed. Complained about a local header file having > syntax errors. Actually, the file was fine, but the cleint (alpha) side > had a totally different opinion about the content than what the server saw > the file as. Looks like pieces of the directory found their way into the > file. Umount followed by mount cured it. Happened under load (4 kernels > compiling concurrently, each with -j8). > > Simon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:45:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03013 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles356.castles.com [208.214.167.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03007 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05739; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:44:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811071944.LAA05739@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: "Justin M. Seger" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting in single user mode In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:04:20 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:44:36 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Am I missing something obvious? > > I have somewhat of the reverse problem. It always boot in MU mode. > > I do (from the SRM) > > >>> boot -flags s dkc0 > > And then from the loader: > > disk0> boot /boot/kernel.NICKEL > > and end up in single user as expected. > > However, if I do: > > >>> boot dkc0 > ... > disk0> boot /boot/kernel.NICKEL -s > > and end up in MU. There was a bug in the option parsing for loaded kernels that was fixed on the i386; I expect that it still exists on the alpha. I am still struggling to get an Alpha test box up and going (more a case of lack of time than any other problem). > Oh, on the subject of booting: > > It also appears as if when there is a /kernel.GENERIC, and a > /boot/kernel.GENERIC, what actually boots is /kernel. Sounds strange... Kernels are never searched for in /boot; the default kernel search path is /kernel, /kernel.old. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:53:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03973 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:53:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03961 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:53:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 20654 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 20:57:12 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:57:12 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: tco_forward recursing Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is this error message and why does it happen? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 11:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04568 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:59:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles356.castles.com [208.214.167.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04557 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:59:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05807; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811071958.LAA05807@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Haertel cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another small observation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:22:51 PST." <199811071822.KAA00792@ducky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:58:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > When I type "/sbin/halt", instead of halting back to the SRM > console prompt, the machine goes into a "press any key to > reboot" state, identical with x86. Then when I hit the any > key, it drops back to the SRM console and immediately > reboots without giving me a chance to get control. > > On x86's this concept of "halt" makes sense, since PC BIOSes > typically do not have a halted state. But on Alphas it's a > real misfeature. The SRM console is a lot more useful than > a PC BIOS, in fact it's the nicest console I've seen, and it > would be good to be able to get back to it. This is a consequence of my unifying the "halt" and "reboot" behaviour - the Alpha was doing it's own thing rather than the standard MI behaviour. It would be relatively trivial to move the "what to do when halting" behaviour into the MD code; you're welcome to submit diffs, and I'd be happy to talk you through what would need to be done. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 12:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06059 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06052 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07818 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:15:37 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: alphaPC164 boot messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just in case someone more on top of the current state sees something in all of this, here's where I get to on the AlphaPC164... The prom input device is working at a pont because it passed along the Enter I hit below... >>>b dka200 -fl h (boot dka200.2.0.5.0 -flags h) block 0 of dka200.2.0.5.0 is a valid boot block reading 14 blocks from dka200.2.0.5.0 bootstrap code read in base = 172000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1c00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 164000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Console: SRM firmware console VMS PAL rev: 0x1000900010113 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000800020115 Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. FreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision (jkh@beast.cdrom.com, Fri Nov 6 08:42:47 GMT 1998) Memory: 262144 k can't open '/boot/boot.conf': no such file or directory Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel]... /kernel data=0x4ac2e0+0x266c8 syms=[0x8+0x3d578+0x8+0x233f5] Entering kernel at 0xfffffc00003205a0... Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-19981105-SNAP #2: Fri Nov 6 16:52:40 GMT 1998 jkh@beast.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMFS EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164 432 MHz, 432MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. real memory = 265961472 (259728K bytes) avail memory = 251371520 (245480K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000836000. cia0: <2117x PCI adapter> cia0: ALCOR/ALCOR2, pass 3 cia0: extended capabilities: 21 isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: Qlogic ISP Driver, FreeBSD CAM Version 0.97, Core Version 1.3 isp0: rev 0x05 int a irq 2 on pci0.5.0 isp0: using Memory space register mapping isp0: Board Revision 1040B, loaded F/W Revision 7.55 isp0: Last F/W revision was 2.10 de0: rev 0x20 int a irq 1 on pci0.7.0 de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:c0:f0:16:2d:7c chip0: rev 0x43 on pci0.8.0 isp1: rev 0x03 int a irq 3 on pci0.9.0 isp1: using Memory space register mapping isp1: Board Revision 2100, loaded F/W Revision 1.15 isp1: Adapter WWN 0x200000e08b003c1f isp1: Firmware State Config Wait -> Waiting for AL/PA isp1: Firmware State Waiting for AL/PA -> Wait Login isp1: Firmware State Wait Login -> Ready isp1: Loop ID 0x0, ALPA 0xef mcclock0: at 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sc0 not found sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: reserved for low-level i/o sio1 not found struct nfssvc_sock bloated (> 256bytes) Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ struct nfsuid bloated (> 128bytes) Try unionizing the nu_nickname and nu_flag fields Timecounter "alpha" frequency 432900432 Hz Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle isp0: driver initiated bus reset de0: enabling 100baseTX port rda4 at isp1 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 da4: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da4: 100.0MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da4: 8637MB (17689267 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1101C) da5 at isp1 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 da5: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da5: 100.0MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da5: 8637MB (17689267 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1101C) da3 at isp1 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da3: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da3: 100.0MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da3: 8637MB (17689267 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1101C) da2 at isp0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da2: 20.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 2047MB (4194058 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) da1 at isp0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da1: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 4095MB (8386733 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 522C) da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da0: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C) ootfs is 2880 Kbyte compiled in MFS <> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 12:23:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06629 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:23:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles356.castles.com [208.214.167.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06621 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05985; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811072022.MAA05985@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mjacob@feral.com cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: my experiences so far... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:42:41 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:22:26 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > (as I slowly shift over toward this....still involved in some legal > foo)... Thanks for all the effort, Matt. This is really appreciated. > So far, I haven't had much luck at Feral. I've a AlphaPC164 and a Multia. > The Alpha PC164 I usually just have a serial console for- and that seems > to be a problem (kernel freezes about at the point it should shift over to > a real console). There was a bogon in syscons that would cause it to behave badly if there wasn't a monitor on the system; this was fixed a little while back (maybe a week or so?). > The Multia I have on a monitor (actually this multia has an ARC instance > for linux && NT/Alpha and I switch it to SRM for NetBSD/Digital Unix)- but > in booting the latest boot.flp it puked all over my shoes with machine > checks and unexpected interrupts, yadda yadda yadda- I'm checking that > this wasn't a corrupt floppy (this has been known to have occurred before- > the floppies are really flakey on the multia) but that may not be the > case. I get this on my multia when halting; AFAIR NetBSD was doing this too, but not booting. We don't have anything in place for the TGA hardware yet though, so you're actually better off with a serial console on the Multia. There's work in progress on this; I think Thomas and Kazu will have something down in a couple of weeks, at which point it should be almost directly applicable to the older Alphas without character-cell displays as well. > Next step is to pop a graphics card into the PC164... drag... Well, > I'll try and all make it work... Should be OK like that. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 12:23:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06693 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06688 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 15970 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 21:27:38 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Help! My Disks Are GONE... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: ... > SRM does have its positive aspects. I think AlphaBIOS will be more > familiar for most people coming from the PC world though. Booting from > AlphaBIOS is likely to be my next project after getting the Xserver > going. Let me know. the config files you sent me make the clients build without a hitch. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 12:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07517 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07512 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 27135 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 21:42:24 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:42:23 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Compiler Difficulty Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > cc -I. -O -fPIC -Ifd -Ixpm -Ispec -I../FORMS -I../FORMS/private > > -DMAKING_FD > > -I../xpm-3.4g -I/usr/X11R6/include -c fd_select.c > > cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 6 > > *** Error code 1 > > > > This is in xforms, without which xfmail will not compile, without which > > I > > am dead... > > Have you tried the gcc patches from my web page > (http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/gcc.diff). I needed them to fix a register > allocation bug in libX11. They probably fix other things too. I merged them, for the next build here. Hopefully these are correct for other than Alpha ports... BTW, why are we not upgrading our compiler? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 12:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08269 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:44:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08259 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:44:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07864; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:43:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:43:39 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: my experiences so far... In-Reply-To: <199811072022.MAA05985@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Thanks for all the effort, Matt. This is really appreciated. > > > So far, I haven't had much luck at Feral. I've a AlphaPC164 and a Multia. > > The Alpha PC164 I usually just have a serial console for- and that seems > > to be a problem (kernel freezes about at the point it should shift over to > > a real console). > > There was a bogon in syscons that would cause it to behave badly if > there wasn't a monitor on the system; this was fixed a little while > back (maybe a week or so?). That was it. I popped a S3 card in, and had to force the console to graphics, and am now in the sysinstall menu. Right on. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 12:49:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08620 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles356.castles.com [208.214.167.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08614 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:49:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06157; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:48:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811072048.MAA06157@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mjacob@feral.com cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alphaPC164 boot messages In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:15:36 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:48:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Just in case someone more on top of the current state sees something > in all of this, here's where I get to on the AlphaPC164... The > prom input device is working at a pont because it passed along > the Enter I hit below... Er, this is the BOOTMFS kernel, ie. the installation kernel. Are you trying to do a new install, or booting from the harddisk? sc0 not found sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: reserved for low-level i/o sio1 not found Ok, no video card, you're using the first serial port for the console, correct? > ootfs is 2880 Kbyte compiled in MFS > <> There should be an 'r' there too, but at this point sysinstall should have come up and asked you for your terminal type. Does your serial console cable have all the flow control signals correctly wired/ bypassed? (I'm not sure if we need this, but it might be a problem.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 12:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09441 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09432 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07911; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:58:22 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alphaPC164 boot messages In-Reply-To: <199811072048.MAA06157@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > Just in case someone more on top of the current state sees something > > in all of this, here's where I get to on the AlphaPC164... The > > prom input device is working at a pont because it passed along > > the Enter I hit below... > > Er, this is the BOOTMFS kernel, ie. the installation kernel. Are you > trying to do a new install, or booting from the harddisk? Yes, I was trying to do an install. > > sc0 not found > sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio1: reserved for low-level i/o > sio1 not found > > Ok, no video card, you're using the first serial port for the console, > correct? Yes. See other mail. Got to an install screen... > > > ootfs is 2880 Kbyte compiled in MFS > > <> > > There should be an 'r' there too, but at this point sysinstall should > have come up and asked you for your terminal type. Does your serial > console cable have all the flow control signals correctly wired/ > bypassed? (I'm not sure if we need this, but it might be a problem.) Probably not all signals. The only other operating system that *requires* full flow control for serial consoles is AIX. I'm sure FreeBSD doesn't want *that* association.... :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 13:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11252 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11246 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:20:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA08802; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:30:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199811072130.IAA08802@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Compiler Difficulty In-Reply-To: from Simon Shapiro at "Nov 7, 98 04:42:23 pm" To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:30:39 +1100 (EST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro wrote: > I merged them, for the next build here. Hopefully these are correct for > other than Alpha ports... > > BTW, why are we not upgrading our compiler? We held off doing this because of 3.0. Now that's out the door, I think it's only a matter of someone finding the time. I hope we can upgrade and get a build that will allow cross-compilers to be built too. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 13:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13537 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:45:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13511 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 29643 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 1998 22:48:52 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811072130.IAA08802@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:48:52 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: John Birrell Subject: Re: Compiler Difficulty Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Birrell, On 07-Nov-98 you wrote: > Simon Shapiro wrote: > > I merged them, for the next build here. Hopefully these are correct > > for > > other than Alpha ports... > > > > BTW, why are we not upgrading our compiler? > > We held off doing this because of 3.0. Now that's out the door, I think > it's only a matter of someone finding the time. I hope we can upgrade > and get a build that will allow cross-compilers to be built too. That will be fantastic. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 14:00:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15049 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 14:00:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po9.andrew.cmu.edu (PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15044 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id QAA19974 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:58:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mbuf usage Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been noticing that my Alpha has a whole lot more memory devoted to mbufs than my other machines of similar -current vintage. Under little to no use a netstat -m gives 132/320 mbufs in use 95 mbufs allocated to data 63 mbufs allocated to headers .. 352Kbytes allocated to network (30% in use) I'm used to seeing figured of near 0 when my other machines have been idling (and considering I'm not running any large servers, I rarely see anything approaching those numbers). One practical upshot of this is that on builds from an NFS mounted dir even just a plain ports build will generally fail with mbuf exhaustion. I know i could probably up my mbuf counts, but it would seem to me that either we're leaking or not making good use of our space. (And actaully, at times when I've hit mbuf exhaustion, rebooting was the only way to set things straight :/) Is NFS just a known bug at the moment? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 15:14:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20731 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:14:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pacific.net (pacific.pacific.net [199.4.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20726 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:14:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ufkartfm@pacific.net) Received: from pacific.net (slime-lake.pacific.net [209.209.2.250]) by pacific.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29660; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:13:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <364463B4.23535A5@pacific.net> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:13:56 +0000 From: curtis Organization: Flying Snail Ranch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: argh^2 References: <11901.910463149@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On the Multia, the new kern.flp does not allow me to change to the mfsroot.gz disk, before it autoboots. The ones that work for me 'sorta' are the kern.flp from 27 Oct. and mfsroot.gz from 31 Oct. > Also, just curious: Is the kern.flp working correctly now in that it > prompts for and correctly loads the mfsroot, then boots? If not, I > still need to beat on the load script. -- curtis - ufkartfm@pacific.net - site administrator for Nobody I want Nobody to control my life! How about you? http://www.netvideo.com/nobody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 15:30:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22280 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:30:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22274 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13264; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: John Birrell cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler Difficulty In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:30:39 +1100." <199811072130.IAA08802@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:30:39 -0800 Message-ID: <13261.910481439@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > We held off doing this because of 3.0. Now that's out the door, I think > it's only a matter of someone finding the time. I hope we can upgrade > and get a build that will allow cross-compilers to be built too. We'll be needing at least gcc 2.8.1 or higher in the future anyway since the new sysinstall interface work is being done in C++ and the lead programmer has used templates. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 15:38:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23183 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23178 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13330; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:39:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: curtis cc: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: argh^2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:13:56 GMT." <364463B4.23535A5@pacific.net> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:39:08 -0800 Message-ID: <13327.910481948@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Urk, OK, we'll look into that - thanks! > On the Multia, the new kern.flp does not allow me to change to > the mfsroot.gz disk, before it autoboots. > > The ones that work for me 'sorta' are the kern.flp from 27 Oct. > and mfsroot.gz from 31 Oct. > > > Also, just curious: Is the kern.flp working correctly now in that it > > prompts for and correctly loads the mfsroot, then boots? If not, I > > still need to beat on the load script. > > -- > curtis - ufkartfm@pacific.net - site administrator for Nobody > I want Nobody to control my life! How about you? > http://www.netvideo.com/nobody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 16:08:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27491 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:08:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27486 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27573; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:07:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: John Birrell , shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Compiler Difficulty In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:30:39 PST." <13261.910481439@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 19:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: <27570.910483651@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID <13261.910481439@time.cdrom.com>: > We'll be needing at least gcc 2.8.1 or higher in the future anyway > since the new sysinstall interface work is being done in C++ and > the lead programmer has used templates. :) No TCL? :) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 7 16:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28335 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28311; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13564; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Gary Palmer" cc: John Birrell , shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler Difficulty In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 19:07:31 EST." <27570.910483651@gjp.erols.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:15:43 -0800 Message-ID: <13560.910484143@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > No TCL? :) Of course! That's where all the scripting is done. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message