From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 13 03:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20524 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20421; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:58:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812131158.DAA20421@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: jim@cgi.sstar.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199812112343.RAA15525@cgi.sstar.com> (message from Jim King on Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:43:59 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: Hint benchmark on Multia VX40A References: <199812112343.RAA15525@cgi.sstar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to Andrew Gallatin for running the Hint benchmarks on a Digital (DEC now Compaq) Alpha Multia VX40A. integer performance is nearly the same as an AMD Am5x86-133. that places it just a tad slower than a Pentium 90 until the dataset size reaches about 12kB (then the p90 falls out of cache). at that point the p90 the am5x86-133 and hte multia are identical till 250kB when the am5x86-133 starts lagging behind the other two. double performance is half way between a Pentium 90 and a PentiumPro 150. conclusions: if you have TrueParity (9bit) memory to spare or dont mind playing three times the price of common memory AND you have a lot of floating point work to do, the multias may be a good fit. as a general purpose computer, they are woefully underpowered. jmb ps. hopefully that creates a record in the mailing lists that will help anyone using the search engine to find out about multias. ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 13 09:40:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20201 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20186; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14071; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17863; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: jim@cgi.sstar.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hint benchmark on Multia VX40A In-Reply-To: <199812131158.DAA20421@hub.freebsd.org> References: <199812112343.RAA15525@cgi.sstar.com> <199812131158.DAA20421@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13939.64306.568854.66434@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > > Thanks to Andrew Gallatin for running the Hint benchmarks on a Digital > (DEC now Compaq) Alpha Multia VX40A. Actually, the results were from Hint run on an AlphaStation 200 4/166, not a Multia. I guess I didn't make that as clear as I should have. The AlphaStation should be a bit faster than a Multia. > integer performance is nearly the same as an AMD Am5x86-133. that > places it just a tad slower than a Pentium 90 until the dataset size > reaches about 12kB (then the p90 falls out of cache). at that point > the p90 the am5x86-133 and hte multia are identical till 250kB when > the am5x86-133 starts lagging behind the other two. > > double performance is half way between a Pentium 90 and a PentiumPro > 150. > Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 13 09:57:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21164 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calis.BlackSun.org ([168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21159 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:57:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@calis.BlackSun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.BlackSun.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA96559 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from don@calis.BlackSun.org) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) From: Don To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Parity Memory Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know when parity memory doubled in price? I have three of the Alphastation 400/233's from Onsale which I am using for basic things like name service and firewalling right now. About 2 months ago I bought parity memory for them and paid about $34 per 32 meg 70 ns parity simm to bring them up to 96 megs in each machine. Now I am seeing prices starting at $78. Anyone know why parity memory suddenly doubled? -Don ps: And yes I bought True Parity Memory not Virtual Parity Memory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Dec 14 01:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02686 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02679 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA49642; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:38:39 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:38:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: curtis cc: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: "installing bootblocks" - (again) In-Reply-To: <3672697F.35132387@pacific.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, curtis wrote: > multia# locate libstand > /usr/lib/libstand.a That isn't what I asked. Does /usr/src/lib/libstand exist? $ ls /usr/src/lib/libstand CVS/ globals.c rpc.c Makefile if_ether.h rpc.h __main.c in_cksum.c rpcv2.h arp.c inet_ntoa.c saioctl.h assert.c inet_ntoa.c~ sbrk.c bcd.c ioctl.c stand.h bootp.c iodesc.h stat.c bootp.h libstand.3 strcasecmp.c bootparam.c lseek.c strdup.c bootparam.h net.c strerror.c bswap.c net.h strtol.c cd9660.c netif.c tftp.c close.c netif.h tftp.h closeall.c nfs.c twiddle.c dev.c nfsv2.h ufs.c dev_net.c nullfs.c write.c dev_net.h open.c zalloc.c dosfs.c pager.c zalloc_defs.h dosfs.h printf.c zalloc_malloc.c environment.c qdivrem.c zalloc_mem.h ether.c quad.h zalloc_protos.h fstat.c random.c zipfs.c getopt.c rarp.c gets.c read.c -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Dec 14 14:03:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18732 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sc3.be-com.net ([209.110.176.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18717 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from busch@be-com.net) Received: from sc3.be-com.net (sc3.be-com.net [207.88.46.202]) by sc3.be-com.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11628; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:58:24 GMT (envelope-from busch@be-com.net) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:58:23 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rainer H. Busch" Reply-To: rahul To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: WTB: Alpha 21066 (CPU only) In-Reply-To: <199812080655.WAA00657@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All ! I could install the 1209 snapshot by the book on my Alphastation 200 4/233. One thing, however (which is fairly obvious) you have to enter alpha/ in the options menu if you want to ftp the alpha distributions. I think this is acceptable for the time being. However, to my surprise, after I finished the installation and rebooted, SRM informed me that dka0 does not have a valid boot block. Did I miss something (like mandatory manual installation of a boot block) or is it a very hardware dependent problem ? Grateful for all (helpful) comments, Rainer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Dec 15 19:26:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12614 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12609 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:26:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08947; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:25:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:25:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-Reply-To: <27526.913249784@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just an FYI- a Multia with newer f/w, 80MB memory and two ethernet cards blows chunks on the install floppy's kernel with a fatal trap somewhere in isa_setup_intr. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Dec 16 02:07:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18591 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:07:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18578 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:07:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA59337; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:07:29 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:07:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Just an FYI- a Multia with newer f/w, 80MB memory and two ethernet cards > blows chunks on the install floppy's kernel with a fatal trap somewhere in > isa_setup_intr. > > -matt Any chance of some more details? Fault address, pc, nearby symbols? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Dec 16 08:33:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06909 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:33:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06900 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA11112; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:32:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It was isa_setup_intr+3c- I would have looked further myself last night but the FreeBSD system that had the source tree was back at Feral crashed in ffs_realloccg (and yes, I had vfs.ffs.reallocblks set to zero). Looking at the code this morning (not where the system was)- it seems like the only place this could have caused a XentMM is is **cookiep was nonsense. If the resource pointer was NULL, you would have died in rman_activate_resource. I've found the 't' command in ddb to be fairly accurate, but perhaps not. I didn't note the actual PC && RA- if I get a chance later today to try it again, I'll try and trace it more fully. -matt On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > Just an FYI- a Multia with newer f/w, 80MB memory and two ethernet cards > > blows chunks on the install floppy's kernel with a fatal trap somewhere in > > isa_setup_intr. > > > > -matt > > Any chance of some more details? Fault address, pc, nearby symbols? > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Dec 16 09:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14363 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14357 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA35949; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:28:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Matthew Jacob CC: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:07:29 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:28:38 -0500 Message-ID: <35945.913829318@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > Just an FYI- a Multia with newer f/w, 80MB memory and two ethernet cards > blows chunks on the install floppy's kernel with a fatal trap somewhere in > isa_setup_intr. Does it do it with the latest snap from mirrors.rcn.com? I don't think anything has changed on the alpha src for a while, but it'd be interesting to know Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Dec 16 09:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14860 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:32:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14853; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11344; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:31:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-Reply-To: <35945.913829318@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll try that too. On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Just an FYI- a Multia with newer f/w, 80MB memory and two ethernet cards > > blows chunks on the install floppy's kernel with a fatal trap somewhere in > > isa_setup_intr. > > Does it do it with the latest snap from mirrors.rcn.com? I don't think > anything has changed on the alpha src for a while, but it'd be interesting to > know > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Dec 16 16:51:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11100 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:51:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11092; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12651; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:51:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:51:29 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson , Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's actually dying in the front of rman_activate_resource, so a bad irq structure is being passed down. On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > It was isa_setup_intr+3c- I would have looked further myself last night > but the FreeBSD system that had the source tree was back at Feral crashed > in ffs_realloccg (and yes, I had vfs.ffs.reallocblks set to zero). > > Looking at the code this morning (not where the system was)- it seems like > the only place this could have caused a XentMM is is **cookiep was > nonsense. If the resource pointer was NULL, you would have died in > rman_activate_resource. > > I've found the 't' command in ddb to be fairly accurate, but perhaps not. > I didn't note the actual PC && RA- if I get a chance later today to try > it again, I'll try and trace it more fully. > > -matt > > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > Just an FYI- a Multia with newer f/w, 80MB memory and two ethernet cards > > > blows chunks on the install floppy's kernel with a fatal trap somewhere in > > > isa_setup_intr. > > > > > > -matt > > > > Any chance of some more details? Fault address, pc, nearby symbols? > > > > -- > > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Dec 17 01:14:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28151 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:14:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28138; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:14:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA62918; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:14:53 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:14:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > It's actually dying in the front of rman_activate_resource, so a bad irq > structure is being passed down. Could you find which driver is being attached (sc or sio) and try and figure out why the irq resource is not being allocated. It should be calling bus_alloc_resource() which will end up in isa_alloc_resource() with start set to the irq number. Perhaps a print statement in isa_alloc_resource() will be informative. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Dec 17 08:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16880 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16865; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14989; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:36:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981208-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > It's actually dying in the front of rman_activate_resource, so a bad irq > > structure is being passed down. > > Could you find which driver is being attached (sc or sio) and try and > figure out why the irq resource is not being allocated. It should be > calling bus_alloc_resource() which will end up in isa_alloc_resource() > with start set to the irq number. Perhaps a print statement in > isa_alloc_resource() will be informative. > Yes, I'll spend some time on this, but it's a bit lower on the priority chain right now. I'll try in the next day or so- and the system I was doing this on is at Ames and I'm not back there until next week- but I have another multia @ feral which I'll try and upgrade the f/w on and give this a shot here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Dec 17 15:00:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01042 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01022; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA68268; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:01:51 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:01:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Doug Rabson cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/mk bsd.kern.mk src/sys/alpha/conf Makefile.alpha In-Reply-To: <199812172236.OAA16958@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Doug Rabson wrote: > dfr 1998/12/17 14:36:21 PST > > Modified files: > share/mk bsd.kern.mk > sys/alpha/conf Makefile.alpha > Log: > Move some compile flags from the kernel makefile to bsd.kern.mk so that > kernel modules are built with the right flags. > > Suggested by: Andrew Gallatin Anyone building alpha kernels should make sure to install bsd.kern.mk before trying to build another one. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Dec 17 23:32:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02097 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:32:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01802; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30830; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:32:12 +1100 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:32:12 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199812180732.SAA30830@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dfr@FreeBSD.ORG, dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/mk bsd.kern.mk src/sys/alpha/conf Makefile.alpha Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Modified files: >> share/mk bsd.kern.mk >> sys/alpha/conf Makefile.alpha >> Log: >> Move some compile flags from the kernel makefile to bsd.kern.mk so that >> kernel modules are built with the right flags. >> >> Suggested by: Andrew Gallatin > >Anyone building alpha kernels should make sure to install bsd.kern.mk >before trying to build another one. This should not be necessary. Makefile.alpha should use the relative bsd.kern.mk like Makefile.i386. Makefile.alpha has rotted in several other ways since it was cloned from Makefile.i386. These Makefiles are mostly machine-independent, so they should be reorganized. I suggest the following reorganization: most of Makefile.alpha -> src/sys/conf/Makefile.kern most of Makefile.i386 -> src/sys/conf/Makefile.kern bsd.kern.mk -> src/sys/conf/bsd.kern.mk bsd.kmod.mk -> src/sys/conf/bsd.kmod.mk rules in sys/conf/files -> src/sys/conf/Makefile.inc src/lkm -> src/sys/lkm (like src/sys/modules) Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 07:15:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18768 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18754; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24441; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA98282; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981218161521.J93539@follo.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:21 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Bruce Evans , dfr@FreeBSD.ORG, dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/mk bsd.kern.mk src/sys/alpha/conf Makefile.alpha References: <199812180732.SAA30830@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199812180732.SAA30830@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 06:32:12PM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 06:32:12PM +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: > >Anyone building alpha kernels should make sure to install bsd.kern.mk > >before trying to build another one. > > This should not be necessary. Makefile.alpha should use the relative > bsd.kern.mk like Makefile.i386. > > Makefile.alpha has rotted in several other ways since it was cloned > from Makefile.i386. These Makefiles are mostly machine-independent, > so they should be reorganized. I suggest the following reorganization: > > most of Makefile.alpha -> src/sys/conf/Makefile.kern > most of Makefile.i386 -> src/sys/conf/Makefile.kern > bsd.kern.mk -> src/sys/conf/bsd.kern.mk > bsd.kmod.mk -> src/sys/conf/bsd.kmod.mk > rules in sys/conf/files -> src/sys/conf/Makefile.inc > src/lkm -> src/sys/lkm (like src/sys/modules) I like this, except that I'm not quite certain the rule movement work out easily (but as long as I don't have to do the work, I'm all for it :-) Eivind, who would like a full re-org of the entire kernel source layout at some point. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 07:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23980 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ics.com (ics.com [140.186.40.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23975 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaleb@ics.com) Received: from ics.com (sunoco.ics.com [140.186.40.142]) by ics.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id KAA23318 Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:58:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367A7B9D.42F9E33C@ics.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:58:21 -0500 From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Important stuff: 3.0-19981208-SNAP Digital EBP30 board. Bought new in box. The docs that came with it identify it as a PC64 (other docs on the Digital ftp site refer to this board either as a PC64 or a PCI64, which is not the same as a PC164 -- that's a one, not the letter I), part of the "Cabriolet" family of boards. This board seems to have been made circa 1996 and has the 21064A CPU clocked at the default rate of 275Mhz. 64 Meg of RAM. Matrox Millenium (Digital OEM) Onboard IDE w/ Fujitsu 1G drive Digital NIC Installed the SRM console from the Digital EBSDK that Wilco Bulte sent me. When I enter `boot dva0` at the SRM prompt (gleaned from the NetBSD install): >>>boot dva0 (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0) block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is a valid boot block reading 14 blocks from dva0.0.0.0.1 bootstrap code read in base = 116000,image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1c00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 108000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code After printing this it reads the fd for a bit, flashes the keyboard lights twice, reads the fd a bit more, and then hangs. Are there flags I should pass to the boot line? Any other suggestions? N.B. The RedHat cabrio-s ("-s" for SRM version) does the same thing. I know: Linux eewwwww. :-) N.B^2. The board runs the ARC, Debug Monitor ROM, and SRM firmware so I have no reason to think the board is bad. (I'm subscribed now to freebsd-alpha.) Thanks, -- Kaleb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 08:58:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29973 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ics.com (ics.com [140.186.40.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29957 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:58:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaleb@ics.com) Received: from ics.com (sunoco.ics.com [140.186.40.142]) by ics.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id LAA02724; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:58:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367A89AC.4C647498@ics.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:58:20 -0500 From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin CC: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? References: <367A7B9D.42F9E33C@ics.com> <13946.32111.243029.543879@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > FreeBSD doesn't currently support the PC64, but support should not be > difficult to add. However, your system should be loading the > bootblocks, loading the kernel, booting the kernel, and dying with a > message like > > FreeBSD does not yet support system type xxx > > panic: platform not supported > > The first order of business is to figure out why this isn't happening. > Are you using a serial console (9600 baud, 8n1, 0th serial port), or a > graphics console? Does your SRM console variable 'console' setting > match reality? (eg 'serial' or 'graphics' depending..). I'd try > setting up a serial console & repeating the process using a serial > console. It also might be worth trying to netboot it, in case you > have hardware problems with your floppy. The floppy's okay. `set console graphics` at the SRM prompt and cycling the power was a good thing to do. Now I get the twirling baton cursor, the kern floppy loads, I'm prompted to insert the MFS root floppy. As you predicted I got: Support for system type 20 is not present in this kernel. Please build a kernel with "options DEC_EB64PLUS" and reboot. panic: platform not configured message. > If you get past this point (eg, can see output from the bootblocks & > from the kernel realizing that its not on a supported platform), I'd > be willing to do the PC64 platform support for you. That would go a > lot faster if you're able to netboot & have decent net access to slurp > down test kernels from my ftp server. I could netboot if need be. Right now I'm using the kern and mfsroot because that's easier than figuring out netbooting, but beggars can't be choosers. > Also, FreeBSD does not yet support IDE devices You're talking about FreeBSD-alpha, right? FreeBSD-intel does IDE just fine. What's the story with IDE on alpha? > (and I doubt your SRM > console is capable of booting from one), so you'll need to get a SCSI > controller your console recognizes & a SCSI disk. For the moment I don't even see what the SCSI device is. When I do an `ls` at the SRM prompt there's dva0.0.0.0.1 which is the floppy, there's ewa0.0.0.7.0 which is the NIC. Or will that automatically appear when I plug in the SCSI card? I've got an Adaptec 1542 somewhere, is that supported? It seems surprising that the SRM console wouldn't support the IDE, given that it's on the board; but I guess I'll have to take your word on that. Thanks for your help. -- Kaleb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 09:09:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01202 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01196 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01272; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA50032; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:09:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:09:05 -0500 (EST) To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? In-Reply-To: <367A89AC.4C647498@ics.com> References: <367A7B9D.42F9E33C@ics.com> <13946.32111.243029.543879@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <367A89AC.4C647498@ics.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13946.35442.260953.650982@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kaleb S. KEITHLEY writes: > The floppy's okay. `set console graphics` at the SRM prompt and cycling > the power was a good thing to do. Now I get the twirling baton cursor, > the kern floppy loads, I'm prompted to insert the MFS root floppy. As > you > predicted I got: > > Support for system type 20 is not present in this kernel. > Please build a kernel with "options DEC_EB64PLUS" and reboot. > > panic: platform not configured > > message. Good. <..> > > Also, FreeBSD does not yet support IDE devices > > You're talking about FreeBSD-alpha, right? FreeBSD-intel does IDE just > fine. What's the story with IDE on alpha? Last I checked, isa devices requiring DMA didn't work yet, and the new, pci-only driver wasn't yet done. (at least I though somebody was working on one...) I'd be happy to be wrong about that ;-) > > (and I doubt your SRM > > console is capable of booting from one), so you'll need to get a SCSI > > controller your console recognizes & a SCSI disk. > > For the moment I don't even see what the SCSI device is. When I do an > `ls` at the SRM prompt there's dva0.0.0.0.1 which is the floppy, there's > ewa0.0.0.7.0 which is the NIC. Or will that automatically appear when I > plug in the SCSI card? I've got an Adaptec 1542 somewhere, is that > supported? AFAIK, the srm console only groks NCR8x0 & ISP10x0 scsi devices. NCR810s are quite cheap if you can find them. > It seems surprising that the SRM console wouldn't support the IDE, given > that it's on the board; but I guess I'll have to take your word on that. Do a 'show dev' from the console. If you see any dk* devices, then your console is smarter than most (but I doubt it)& can boot from your ide disk. If your network card shows up as 'ewX' then you should be able to boot from it.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 10:26:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09695 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schizo.com (schizo.com [216.27.37.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09690 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:26:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bits@oldwarez.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by schizo.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09116; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:26:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bits@oldwarez.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: BitS X-Sender: bits@schizo.com To: Andrew Gallatin cc: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? In-Reply-To: <13946.35442.260953.650982@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Kaleb S. KEITHLEY writes: > > AFAIK, the srm console only groks NCR8x0 & ISP10x0 scsi devices. NCR810s > are quite cheap if you can find them. > I have an NCR810 from the multia which I was trying to use for FBSD/Alpha... although I refuse to work with that damn multia anymore, I'd be happy to send you the card since I have no use for it now. > > It seems surprising that the SRM console wouldn't support the IDE, given > > that it's on the board; but I guess I'll have to take your word on that. > > Do a 'show dev' from the console. If you see any dk* devices, then > your console is smarter than most (but I doubt it)& can boot from your > ide disk. If your network card shows up as 'ewX' then you should be > able to boot from it.. > > Drew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 10:46:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12551 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12468 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:46:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18150 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:45:47 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA22401 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:19:39 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA02195 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:21:23 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812181821.TAA02195@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: install using 19981208 snap To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:21:23 +0100 (CET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I finally had time to try installing the 19981208 snap on my axp33. Sysinstall seems to be hapilly doing its job (via the kernel & mfsroot floppies) and pulls the install bits from NFS. Looks OK. But when booting the newly installed harddisk I get: block 0 is not a valid boot block. What makes me suspicious is that sysinstall reports a 255/255/63 geometry. Is this OK for a 2Gb disk? What I mean: does sysinstall on the alpha use this translation? I had expected it would use the values the drive returns. There is no BIOS translation stuff (ala PCs) that I'm aware of. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 14:04:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07185 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:04:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles251.castles.com [208.214.165.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07180 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02955; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:02:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812182202.OAA02955@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrew Gallatin cc: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:09:05 EST." <13946.35442.260953.650982@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:02:06 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Also, FreeBSD does not yet support IDE devices > > > > You're talking about FreeBSD-alpha, right? FreeBSD-intel does IDE just > > fine. What's the story with IDE on alpha? > > Last I checked, isa devices requiring DMA didn't work yet, and the > new, pci-only driver wasn't yet done. (at least I though somebody was > working on one...) I'd be happy to be wrong about that ;-) This took a hit when Soren's system and his backup tapes were stolen. I'm not sure how much momentum we've lost, but I'd say quite a lot. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 14:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09114 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles251.castles.com [208.214.165.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09107 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:18:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03042; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:15:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812182215.OAA03042@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Subject: Re: install using 19981208 snap In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:21:23 +0100." <199812181821.TAA02195@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:15:48 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I finally had time to try installing the 19981208 snap on my axp33. > > Sysinstall seems to be hapilly doing its job (via the kernel & mfsroot > floppies) and pulls the install bits from NFS. Looks OK. > > But when booting the newly installed harddisk I get: block 0 is not > a valid boot block. Read the notes that everyone else has posted about having to install the bootblock manually before rebooting after the install. This is a still-extant bug in libdisk. > What makes me suspicious is that sysinstall reports a 255/255/63 > geometry. Is this OK for a 2Gb disk? What I mean: does sysinstall > on the alpha use this translation? I had expected it would use the > values the drive returns. There is no BIOS translation stuff (ala PCs) > that I'm aware of. Geometry issues can be completely ignored for FreeBSD/AXP at the moment; neither the SRM nor FreeBSD give a damn about them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 15:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22264 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:55:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22256 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:55:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07555; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA56399; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:55:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:55:08 -0500 (EST) To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? In-Reply-To: <199812182202.OAA02955@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <13946.35442.260953.650982@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <199812182202.OAA02955@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13946.60123.497756.812673@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: > > > > > > Also, FreeBSD does not yet support IDE devices > > > > > > You're talking about FreeBSD-alpha, right? FreeBSD-intel does IDE just > > > fine. What's the story with IDE on alpha? > > > > Last I checked, isa devices requiring DMA didn't work yet, and the > > new, pci-only driver wasn't yet done. (at least I though somebody was > > working on one...) I'd be happy to be wrong about that ;-) > > This took a hit when Soren's system and his backup tapes were stolen. > I'm not sure how much momentum we've lost, but I'd say quite a lot. That stinks.. I'm really sorry to hear about it. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 16:33:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28304 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:33:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (dryad.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28296 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.156.43]) by mail.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.6/3.4Wbeta6-SAT1.0) with ESMTP id JAA06153 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:33:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from localhost by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.8/sat-V0.6) id JAA17710; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:33:40 +0900 (JST) To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: fpsetmask X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:33:39 +0900 From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some ports (eg. tcl*) require fpsetmask for build. But it has not been implemented yet on alpha. First, I thought the exception mask can be specified by FP_CR register, but none of currently avaiable CPUs don't seem to support the feature. Then I found the software completion is done in /sys/alpha/alpha/fp_emulate.c and we can specify the exception handing by setting proc->u_pcb.pcb_fp_control. My question is how I can set the variable, do we need a new system call for it? /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 19:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16125 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16120 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA26333 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:42:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: kernel compile warnings? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm getting a wad of these (after installing the latest .mk files)... I know that we've turned on Warnings etc. for kernel compiles, but this is a lot of noise to wade through... Is it just that the toolchains are different and the answer for now is 'cope'? .... ./../kern/vfs_aio.c:114: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_max_aio_queue_per_proc' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:117: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_max_aio_procs' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:120: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_num_aio_procs' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:123: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_num_queue_count' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:126: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_max_aio_queue' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:129: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_target_aio_procs' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:132: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_max_buf_aio' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:135: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_num_buf_aio' defined but not used ../../kern/vfs_aio.c:138: warning: `sysctl___vfs_aio_aiod_lifetime' defined but not used To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Dec 18 20:55:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22981 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22976 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA64673; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:55:29 -0800 (PST) To: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Subject: Re: install using 19981208 snap In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:21:23 +0100." <199812181821.TAA02195@yedi.iaf.nl> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:55:29 -0800 Message-ID: <64670.914043329@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > But when booting the newly installed harddisk I get: block 0 is not > a valid boot block. This is still waiting for someone better with libdisk to look into it (I try not to look at that code). For some reason, libdisk's boot-block writing stuff isn't doing the job on the alpha - sysinstall actually has very little to do with it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Dec 19 02:41:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23091 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:41:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from octopus.originative.co.uk (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23085 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: by OCTOPUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:39:51 -0000 Message-ID: From: Paul Richards To: "'Andrew Gallatin'" , "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:39:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Gallatin [mailto:gallatin@cs.duke.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 5:09 PM > To: Kaleb S. KEITHLEY > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Boot kern.flp wedges -- now what? > > > Last I checked, isa devices requiring DMA didn't work yet, and the > new, pci-only driver wasn't yet done. (at least I though > somebody was > working on one...) I'd be happy to be wrong about that ;-) I did promise Doug to look at the DMA issue a few weeks ago but workload up to christmas got out of hand and I haven't had a chance yet. I should be able to look at it over the christmas break. Is anyone making any progress with the tga driver? Paul. 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