From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 15 17:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04467 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04429 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:52:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darkstar@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrG-37.aei.ca [206.186.205.87]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12945 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:52:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E79B1C.D39B7A7E@aei.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:49:17 -0500 From: Steve Clark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Create newbie site? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everybody I am interested in building a complete newbie site to help the average user and complete beginner to the step over into FreeBSD. I am just wondering if the site would help and if it would be used by the general public. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 15 18:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07241 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07228 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:26:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01876; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:26:30 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980216132627.38920@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:26:28 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Steve Clark Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Create newbie site? References: <34E79B1C.D39B7A7E@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <34E79B1C.D39B7A7E@aei.ca>; from Steve Clark on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 08:49:17PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 08:49:17PM -0500, Steve Clark wrote: > Hello everybody I am interested in building a complete newbie site to > help the average user and complete beginner to the step over into > FreeBSD. I am just wondering if the site would help and if it would be > used by the general public. The trouble with web sites is that they're one-way communications. It is difficult to cause corrections to be made, or to know whether the contents can be accepted as being correct. Same goes for the appropriateness of language, presentation style, and so on. For new users all of these things are terribly important, and some might still believe that if it's on the web it must be believed. I don't mean to suggest that you wouldn't do a great job! But to do so you would need feedback and the feedback you'd get wouldn't necessarily be of the type which you'd need. Some people who could really benefit from the information might be reluctant to rely on it if it's simply someone's idea of what might be helpful. Others might be too quick to rely on it. If a web site were a good idea (and I have reservations), it would need to be done by someone who knows and awful lot about FreeBSD and how to communicate with newbies, who has years of experience in both, and is generally acknowledged as having those attributes. Considering the amount of thankless work involved, I would be inclined to doubt the suitability of anyone who would be willing to take it on :-) These are the conclusions I reached some time ago when considering the same thing myself. Basically it's a fantastic idea, long overdue, but I can't see any way it could be made to work. Other views may be equally valid. As a newbie, what would I know? :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 15 19:20:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12335 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:20:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12292 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:20:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03459; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:27:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980215222705.17622@vmunix.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:27:05 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Sue Blake , Steve Clark Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Create newbie site? References: <34E79B1C.D39B7A7E@aei.ca> <19980216132627.38920@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980216132627.38920@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:26:28PM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:26:28PM +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 08:49:17PM -0500, Steve Clark wrote: > > Hello everybody I am interested in building a complete newbie site to > > help the average user and complete beginner to the step over into > > FreeBSD. I am just wondering if the site would help and if it would be > > used by the general public. > [SNIP] > If a web site were a good idea (and I have reservations), it would need to > be done by someone who knows and awful lot about FreeBSD and how to > communicate with newbies, who has years of experience in both, and is > generally acknowledged as having those attributes. Considering the amount of > thankless work involved, I would be inclined to doubt the suitability of > anyone who would be willing to take it on :-) FWIW, myself and Chris Coleman are attacking something similar - simply an alternative free source of info for FreeBSD newbies. Our approach is to create an online book of sorts, with the possibility of it going to print if there was an interested publisher. This probably will never happen, and we'd only agree to it if we felt a book were "for the greater good of FreeBSD"... We've actually found that 95% of the feedback we receive (and we've literally received more than one hundred responses) is excellent. There are some people who prefer to rant and rave and claim that our explanations are "wildly inaccurate" and beg that we "please stop for the good of the community", who of course offer absolutely NO valuable input at all. But these mails are few and far between. Overall people seem to be accepting another information source quite positively, and we've incorportated TONS of ideas from the community at large for the project. I have countless mails from newbies in my INBOX thanking us for our work, so I'd have to disagree that the work is "thankless". :-) It can be quite rewarding actually! So I'd say any resource you can offer to new users is a valid resource. If you only help 10 people, there's nothing wrong with that, and who knows - you may evolve a site into a monster "One Stop FreeBSD Shop" with thousands of visitors!! In short, if you've got good ideas and are willing to spend the time, go for it! If you want to help us out, or vice versa, check out: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ or mail fbsdbook@vmunix.com Good luck, -Mark > > These are the conclusions I reached some time ago when considering the same > thing myself. Basically it's a fantastic idea, long overdue, but I can't see > any way it could be made to work. > > Other views may be equally valid. As a newbie, what would I know? :-) > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 15 21:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28955 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28915 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:03:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04312; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:10:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:10:03 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: hoek@hwcn.org To: Steve Clark cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Create newbie site? In-Reply-To: <34E79B1C.D39B7A7E@aei.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Steve Clark wrote: > Hello everybody I am interested in building a complete newbie site to > help the average user and complete beginner to the step over into > FreeBSD. I am just wondering if the site would help and if it would be > used by the general public. Yes, it could be useful to the general public. One of the things that would be good is a kind of tutorial, or brief walk-through of FreeBSD. If you browse around www.FreeBSD.ORG, you will find a number of assorted tutorials, etc. These come from people like you! Many things are more general, and apply generally to UNIX. These are important too. Wether you're thinking of a detailed document or just a set of organized and maintained links to useful information on the 'net, it can all find a place in the project! :) However, you will want to be careful that you do not duplicate work. I'm not familiar with what documents are already available, etc. You will definately want to talk to Annelise Anderson , because I'm pretty sure she has done signficant work in this area. You should probably subscribe to the freebsd-doc list, which is also a good place to air interesting ideas. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 15 21:52:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06814 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:52:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06796 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:52:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02304; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:52:06 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980216165204.54980@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:52:04 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Mark Mayo Cc: Steve Clark , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Create newbie site? References: <34E79B1C.D39B7A7E@aei.ca> <19980216132627.38920@welearn.com.au> <19980215222705.17622@vmunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980215222705.17622@vmunix.com>; from Mark Mayo on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 10:27:05PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 10:27:05PM -0500, Mark Mayo wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:26:28PM +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 08:49:17PM -0500, Steve Clark wrote: > > > Hello everybody I am interested in building a complete newbie site to > > > help the average user and complete beginner to the step over into > > > FreeBSD. I am just wondering if the site would help and if it would be > > > used by the general public. > > > [SNIP] > > If a web site were a good idea (and I have reservations), it would need to > > be done by someone who knows and awful lot about FreeBSD and how to > > communicate with newbies, who has years of experience in both, and is > > generally acknowledged as having those attributes. Considering the amount of > > thankless work involved, I would be inclined to doubt the suitability of > > anyone who would be willing to take it on :-) > > FWIW, myself and Chris Coleman are attacking something similar - simply an > alternative free source of info for FreeBSD newbies. Our approach is to > create an online book of sorts, with the possibility of it going to print > if there was an interested publisher. This probably will never happen, > and we'd only agree to it if we felt a book were "for the greater > good of FreeBSD"... > > We've actually found that 95% of the feedback we receive (and we've literally > received more than one hundred responses) is excellent. Ah, but now I see that feedback is strongly encouraged, and _looks_ like it would be given and taken on board. That helps address some of my concerns. > I have countless mails from newbies in my INBOX thanking us for our > work, so I'd have to disagree that the work is "thankless". :-) > It can be quite rewarding actually! I hope it remains that way :-) I'd better take a closer look at what you're doing there. The idea of a one stop new user site, or potentially several of them with different advice, still makes me interested but nervous. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 15 22:16:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12242 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:16:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1y-int.prodigy.net (mail1y-ext.prodigy.net [198.83.19.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12180 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:16:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zjhh2@etsu.edu) Received: from lies (slip166-72-245-104.tn.us.ibm.net [166.72.245.104]) by mail1y-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA07354; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:09:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980216010916.009109b0@pop.prodigy.net> X-Sender: jhhiggins@pop.prodigy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:09:16 -0500 To: Sue Blake From: James Higgins Subject: Re: Create newbie site? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980216165204.54980@welearn.com.au> References: <19980215222705.17622@vmunix.com> <34E79B1C.D39B7A7E@aei.ca> <19980216132627.38920@welearn.com.au> <19980215222705.17622@vmunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 04:52 PM 2/16/98 +1100, you wrote: >On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 10:27:05PM -0500, Mark Mayo wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:26:28PM +1100, Sue Blake wrote: >> > On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 08:49:17PM -0500, Steve Clark wrote: >> > > Hello everybody I am interested in building a complete newbie site to >> > > help the average user and complete beginner to the step over into >> > > FreeBSD. I am just wondering if the site would help and if it would be >> > > used by the general public. >> > >> [SNIP] >> > If a web site were a good idea (and I have reservations), it would need to >> > be done by someone who knows and awful lot about FreeBSD and how to >> > communicate with newbies, who has years of experience in both, and is >> > generally acknowledged as having those attributes. Considering the amount of >> > thankless work involved, I would be inclined to doubt the suitability of >> > anyone who would be willing to take it on :-) >> >> FWIW, myself and Chris Coleman are attacking something similar - simply an >> alternative free source of info for FreeBSD newbies. Our approach is to >> create an online book of sorts, with the possibility of it going to print >> if there was an interested publisher. This probably will never happen, >> and we'd only agree to it if we felt a book were "for the greater >> good of FreeBSD"... >> >> We've actually found that 95% of the feedback we receive (and we've literally >> received more than one hundred responses) is excellent. > >Ah, but now I see that feedback is strongly encouraged, and _looks_ like it >would be given and taken on board. That helps address some of my concerns. Being a FreeBSD (and mailing list) newbie I would love such a site. I had some experience with Linux and decided to try freebsd and found it to be bit of a switch from Red Hat and Slackware. It seemed to me that the single biggest resource was the mailing lists and their archives which can be difficult to find things in at times. >> I have countless mails from newbies in my INBOX thanking us for our >> work, so I'd have to disagree that the work is "thankless". :-) >> It can be quite rewarding actually! > >I hope it remains that way :-) I'd better take a closer look at what you're >doing there. > >The idea of a one stop new user site, or potentially several of them with >different advice, still makes me interested but nervous. I realize that it is a big project, but I think one would certainly be beneficial. Considerations of how new is "newbie" should also be in order. Are we talking newbie in the sense of new to FreeBSD or new in the sense of the college student who decide to play with some sort of UNIX os at home. I am a member of both groups, but I chose linux first. There I lerned a great deal from their system admins guide and network admins guide. Fortuneately, they are very universal and found them very helpful with my transistion to freebsd. Then again for the pure newbie there are LOTS of resources available including thos from the LDP which are very good. James Higgins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNOfYC61vqcuQoz6tEQLTwQCgtlLFacx5Npe286tN7ybChf3OW9cAmgOc 8uWsK6vt8mMtYp8H0DCtSggF =0pRn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 15 23:01:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16785 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (host77-60.airnet.net [209.64.77.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16748 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org) Received: from ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00612 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:00:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34E7E416.C782A65F@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:00:38 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Reply-To: kris@airnet.net Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freeBSD-chat Subject: Emulation software and FreeBSD!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got pcemu for running DOS. I've got Wine for running Microsoft products. I've got MTools for manipulating floppies. I've got a Compat_Linux kernel and support libraries. I've got Netscape (native). I've got Quake for Linux. And I've got it all running on the most stable operating systems in the world!!! Yeehaa!!! The signature says it all!!!! I'm never going back... Well, 'cept to play Duke3d and Redneck Rampage, et. al. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 08:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01404 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01385 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@cybercom.net) Received: from atlanta (mfd-dial1-14.cybercom.net [209.21.137.14]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13118 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:37:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980216104131.009d0da0@cybercom.net> X-Sender: ksmm@cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:41:31 -0500 To: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: modern mail reader Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to use FreeBSD as a secondary system for some on-line things and wanted to know if there was a mail reader that meets the following requirements: leftSupports HTML-style e-mail e.g., do e-mailed Web pages show up correctly in the reader. I would like stylized text (bold, italics, indenting, etc.) at a minimum. Inline graphics and fonts would be nice, too. Deals with attachments MIME, BinHex, UUencode and all that stuff. Automatic extraction of the attachments would be preferred. Non-destructive e-mail reading I would like it to copy mail from the POP3 server without deleting it. I will still need to download these messages to the primary system. Other nice extras GUI display, address book, filters and any other icing on the cake I think that's it. Any suggestions on readers that can do all the above (or just sweet e-mail programs in general) are appreciated. K.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 08:21:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03777 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bird.te.rl.ac.uk (bird.te.rl.ac.uk [130.246.19.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03466 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Received: from rcru.rl.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bird.te.rl.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01142; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:20:27 GMT (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199802161620.QAA01142@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: The Classiest Man Alive cc: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modern mail reader In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:41:31 EST." <3.0.3.32.19980216104131.009d0da0@cybercom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:20:27 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Exmh 2.0.1 + mh6.8.4 + tcl/tk handles .. *HTML e-mail *Attachments (via mailcap file) and PGP decryption. *non-destructive e-mail reading (via proper setting of inc flags) *GUI Display, Address Book, and filters mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 08:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05576 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:27:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05567 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:27:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA00284 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000277; Mon, 16 Feb 98 08:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34E8688E.76A93CD7@partsnow.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:25:50 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Coming out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, I don't mean what you think. I'd just like to float a trial balloon. Infoworld just had a big lead article about how the server choice is disappearing now that the proprietary UNIX world is being drowned by cheap NT boxes. I would like to see if anyone is interested in joining together to take out a large ad in Infoworld to promote FreeBSD. I myself would contribute $100 cash to the effort, and I think if each of you consider the benefit to our code base if even one percent of the Micros**t sysadmin world considers switching and 1% of them actually contributes. FreeBSD (and the rest of the freeware base) would benefit enormously [although we might need to clone Doug and Greg and Amancio and probably a few others :)] ------------------------------------- | FreeBSD... the Power to Serve! | | | | If even one percent of the M$ | | NT server users switch to free | | software like FreeBSD, XFree86 | | Apache and GNU tools, and only | | one percent actually contributes | | code to the collection, free | | software will overtake proprie- | | tary solutions so fast the | | future will regard Microsoft | | and other obnoxious software | | licensers as an evolutionary | | dead end on the way to truly | | open computing. | | | | http://www.freebsd.org | ------------------------------------- Any takers? -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 08:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08898 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:39:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08754 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:39:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02122; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:34:34 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34E7352B.72025FBE@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:34:22 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Classiest Man Alive CC: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modern mail reader References: <3.0.3.32.19980216104131.009d0da0@cybercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > I'm trying to use FreeBSD as a secondary system for some on-line things and wanted to know if there was a mail reader that meets the following requirements: > > Supports HTML-style e-mail > e.g., do e-mailed Web pages show up correctly in the reader. I would like stylized text (bold, italics, indenting, etc.) at a minimum. Inline graphics and fonts would be nice, too. > > Deals with attachments > MIME, BinHex, UUencode and all that stuff. Automatic extraction of the attachments would be preferred. > > Non-destructive e-mail reading > I would like it to copy mail from the POP3 server without deleting it. I will still need to download these messages to the primary system. > > Other nice extras > GUI display, address book, filters and any other icing on the cake > > I think that's it. Any suggestions on readers that can do all the above (or just sweet e-mail programs in general) are appreciated. > netscape 4.04 +local pop server > K.S. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 09:13:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17088 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:13:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17072 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05720; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:20:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980216122023.02358@vmunix.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:20:23 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: don@partsnow.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: <34E8688E.76A93CD7@partsnow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <34E8688E.76A93CD7@partsnow.com>; from Don Wilde on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 08:25:50AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA17073 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 08:25:50AM -0800, Don Wilde wrote: > No, I don't mean what you think. I'd just like to float a trial balloon. > > Infoworld just had a big lead article about how the server choice is > disappearing now that the proprietary UNIX world is being drowned by > cheap NT boxes. Of course, they've been saying this for years... :-) > I would like to see if anyone is interested in joining together to take > out a large ad in Infoworld to promote FreeBSD. I myself would > contribute $100 cash to the effort, and I think if each of you consider > the benefit to our code base if even one percent of the Micros**t > sysadmin world considers switching and 1% of them actually contributes. > FreeBSD (and the rest of the freeware base) would benefit enormously > [although we might need to clone Doug and Greg and Amancio and probably > a few others :)] How much does an ad cost? I'm guessing that a full page ad is pretty pricey.. Also, does anybody know if Walnut Creek is going to do more of those newsletters? They looked really slick an impressed quite a few people that I showed it to! -Mark > > ------------------------------------- > | FreeBSD... the Power to Serve! | > | | > | If even one percent of the M$ | > | NT server users switch to free | > | software like FreeBSD, XFree86 | > | Apache and GNU tools, and only | > | one percent actually contributes | > | code to the collection, free | > | software will overtake proprie- | > | tary solutions so fast the | > | future will regard Microsoft | > | and other obnoxious software | > | licensers as an evolutionary | > | dead end on the way to truly | > | open computing. | > | | > | http://www.freebsd.org | > ------------------------------------- > > Any takers? > -- > oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * > o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ > V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] > /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo >  > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 09:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21849 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21841 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA01533; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001531; Mon, 16 Feb 98 09:32:50 -0800 Message-ID: <34E877D0.E4A72BA1@partsnow.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:30:56 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Mayo CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: <34E8688E.76A93CD7@partsnow.com> <19980216122023.02358@vmunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I would like to see if anyone is interested in joining together to take > > out a large ad in Infoworld to promote FreeBSD. I myself would > > contribute $100 cash to the effort, and I think if each of you consider > > the benefit to our code base if even one percent of the Micros**t > > sysadmin world considers switching and 1% of them actually contributes. > > FreeBSD (and the rest of the freeware base) would benefit enormously > > [although we might need to clone Doug and Greg and Amancio and probably > > a few others :)] > > How much does an ad cost? I'm guessing that a full page ad is pretty > pricey.. Don't know. They're closed today, unlike us werking fools, uh, folks. I would suspect it's about 4x what a subscriber-paid rag is, about $5-10K, maybe? So we take a 1/4 page, the editorial ripples would add tremendous multiplication of value. I feel pretty strongly about this, because I know what the benefit of doubling our serious-sysadmin-user base would be. Maybe we could also get some of the other ORGs and big users to contribute in return for a logo insertion, like our good buddies YAHOO, and maybe even Oracle (if the rumors are true... John?). As I said once before, I'm going to be speaking at NetWorld+InterOp in May, and I urge all of you to find whatever soapboxes you can. Now, before M$ can release NT5 and 98, and while the DOJ is giving them incredibly bad press, is our time to make some real advances. It's to all our benefit. > Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to > an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, > written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU Gawd, that's rich. :) :) :) -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 10:59:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22016 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (207-172-175-184.s57.as5.rkv.erols.com [207.172.175.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21996 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:59:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00702; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:59:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.ChrisBowman.com: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" To: Don Wilde cc: Mark Mayo , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out In-Reply-To: <34E877D0.E4A72BA1@partsnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Don Wilde wrote: >> > I would like to see if anyone is interested in joining together to take >> > out a large ad in Infoworld to promote FreeBSD. I myself would >> > contribute $100 cash to the effort, and I think if each of you consider >> > the benefit to our code base if even one percent of the Micros**t >> > sysadmin world considers switching and 1% of them actually contributes. >> > FreeBSD (and the rest of the freeware base) would benefit enormously >> > [although we might need to clone Doug and Greg and Amancio and probably >> > a few others :)] >> >> How much does an ad cost? I'm guessing that a full page ad is pretty >> pricey.. > >Don't know. They're closed today, unlike us werking fools, uh, folks. I >would suspect it's about 4x what a subscriber-paid rag is, about $5-10K, >maybe? So we take a 1/4 page, the editorial ripples would add tremendous >multiplication of value. I feel pretty strongly about this, because I >know what the benefit of doubling our serious-sysadmin-user base would >be. Maybe we could also get some of the other ORGs and big users to >contribute in return for a logo insertion, like our good buddies YAHOO, >and maybe even Oracle (if the rumors are true... John?). > >As I said once before, I'm going to be speaking at NetWorld+InterOp in >May, and I urge all of you to find whatever soapboxes you can. Now, >before M$ can release NT5 and 98, and while the DOJ is giving them >incredibly bad press, is our time to make some real advances. It's to >all our benefit. > >> Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to >> an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, >> written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU > >Gawd, that's rich. :) :) :) >-- > oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * > o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ > V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] >/oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > Is FreeBSD Inc. a 501 c 3? if we all made the contributions to FReeBSD Inc. and they intern purchased the add, that would make it a charitable contribution and thus tax deuctable right? --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com My home page To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 12:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21366 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:38:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21314 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA05966; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:22:26 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005950; Mon, 16 Feb 98 12:22:12 -0800 Message-ID: <34E89F84.FAFAAFE9@partsnow.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:20:20 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Christopher R. Bowman" CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is FreeBSD Inc. a 501 c 3? if we all made the contributions to FReeBSD Inc. > and they intern purchased the add, that would make it a charitable > contribution and thus tax deuctable right? > Even better! TNX, Chris! I just found out that my company buys a 1/2 page color ad in Manufacturing Automation, a less-popular monthly special-interest trade pub. Buying 6 at a time, they get it for $2500 each, bought singly it would be $4500, so my guess wasn't far off. -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 15:38:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05800 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05654 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27807; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802162336.PAA27807@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: don@partsnow.com cc: "Christopher R. Bowman" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:20:20 PST." <34E89F84.FAFAAFE9@partsnow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:36:39 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While we are in the topic of advertising FreeBSD, http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/ Topic: Could You get Fired for Chosing Linux Feel to "Fire" at Berst it looks like he honestly is begging for it . It is time to take this show on the road 8) Please no lame responds just take it up Berst, a few thousand e-mails will do. Thank you. Happy Firing !! Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 18:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11776 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11768 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:58:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22185; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:58:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:58:26 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Amancio Hasty cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out In-Reply-To: <199802162336.PAA27807@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > While we are in the topic of advertising FreeBSD, > http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/ > Topic: Could You get Fired for Chosing Linux > > Feel to "Fire" at Berst it looks like he honestly is begging for it . > > It is time to take this show on the road 8) That guy's a total idiot. IIRC, he once touted the wonders of NetMedic. In today's article he recommends dumping your ISP if you have trouble loading web pages, yeah 404 errors are always on the requesting side, and if your email isn't delivered within five minutes. /Every/ complaint of slow delivery I have investigated has been because the other end refused the connection (usually AOL, go figure) or it was delivered within seconds but the other end, more often than not a national provider or RBOC, took hours to make it available to their customer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 19:27:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16456 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp1563.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16445 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp1563.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA00291 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:17:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp1563.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Good Times Virus (not Fwd: :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know, I know.... ;-) I have to say, though, reading yet another "forward this message to get $1000 from Bill Gates for testing my new email forward tracking program", that I really miss the Good Times virus. The poor cheap imitations I've been receiving lately tend to be boring, bland, and so obviously false. However, in my ardour against the beast, I seem to have failed to realize its genius and creativity, and never actually saved a copy of it... A quick check of the web revealed only a modernized copy (http://www-students.biola.edu/~dougw/GoodTimes/goodtimes.html), not the fresh pioneer-spirit warning I remember from the days of yore. Does anyone happen to have an older, sexier version hanging around? I think that the one cited really loses its magic as soon as it mentions America Online, in the first paragraph, of all places. I want one from before the days of AOL, from before the Internet was so large it needed to be mentioned almost every paragraph, from the days when an n-th complexity infinite binary loop actually melted your processor. :) Gosh, I'm only 18, but I feel so old. :-) OTOH, I think jkh mentioned once that he's been reading news since before I was born. That's scary. :) -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 19:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19485 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19463 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA00220; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:47:45 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA12441; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:47:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217044736.38588@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:47:36 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: ac199@hwcn.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good Times Virus (not Fwd: :) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 10:17:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names > hoping that the resultant code will run faster. One of my previous co-workers protested (seriously, not as a joke) against a proposed code-standard on the basis that using long identifiers would make the code take longer to compile. To quote Dave Barry: "And I'm not making this up!" Eivind, who was just astonished to hear that said person had been promoted to 'Technical Manager' just after he left the company. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 22:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07183 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:29:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07171 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27256 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:59:05 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA07010; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:59:05 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:59:04 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. I've come to expect poorly prepared messages from -questions, and I've written a web page to try to stop people from doing the nasty things they do, but lately I've noticed a tendency creeping in to the more technical mailing lists as well. In particular, people are starting not to interleave answer and original text, the original reason for quoting messages, but just appending them at the end of the message, so that after about three iterations you have to look in four different places to find the references. Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see this as a problem as well? Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 22:48:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12240 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:48:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (root@u3.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12228 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garycorc@idt.net) Received: from idt.net (ppp-9.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.9]) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01107; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:48:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E93236.80056B3C@idt.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:46:14 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? References: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > > It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of > hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. > ... > Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see > this as a problem as well? > > Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) Yes, yes, and yes... he-he... Just kidding. But yes, some are downright unreadable. Others just hard to follow when even the small pieces of context aren't included - or worse when a big thread is attached to answer a small piece of that mail... Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 22:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12337 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12249 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:48:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15138; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:45:49 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22620; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:45:49 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199802170645.IAA22620@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:45:48 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of > hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. I've come to I have noticed a large increase in this as well; o No trimming of the original message and minimal added material. o Not quoting the original message, just supplying an out-of context answer. o No subject line. (Hehehe - I'm sometimes guilty here!) o Excessive cross-posting. o "Strange" requests ("please dont reply to me, please reply to 'strange@email.addre.ss'") o Long paragraphs that are difficut to quote and comment on, 'cos they dont break up easily, and are difficult to read. o ALL UPPERCASE/all lowercase and no linebreaks messages. o Screwed up email addresses that are unreply-able. o Warlord .signatures. ... and these are from folk who are supposed to have a clue! I'm not talking about lusers. > Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see > this as a problem as well? Hehehe! I work for an ISP (the biggest dial-ISP in South Africa) and the amount of _bad_ email we get from supposedly clued-up folk is scary. > Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) I'm here! M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 16 23:07:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18999 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:07:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18922 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA25030; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:13:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802170713.SAA25030@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? In-Reply-To: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Feb 17, 98 04:59:04 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:13:22 +1100 (EST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: [...] > Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see > this as a problem as well? Yes, you are getting intolerant 8-), and yes it's a problem. I wonder if people ever read what they've written before they send mail. > Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) Got some spare time, eh? Chuckle. Regards, -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 00:48:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07787 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07765 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:48:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03050; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:48:19 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA13370; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:48:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217094818.16871@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:48:18 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Greg Lehey Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? References: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 04:59:04PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes. On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 04:59:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of > hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. I've come to > expect poorly prepared messages from -questions, and I've written a > web page to try to stop people from doing the nasty things they do, > but lately I've noticed a tendency creeping in to the more technical > mailing lists as well. In particular, people are starting not to > interleave answer and original text, the original reason for quoting > messages, but just appending them at the end of the message, so that > after about three iterations you have to look in four different places > to find the references. > > Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see > this as a problem as well? > > Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) > > Greg > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message Eivind, who just had to :-) P.S. The "Yes." part is serious, though it's placement isn't. D.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 03:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01834 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:25:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01803 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01507; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:24:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171124.DAA01507@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates4 ruins performance of my wide drive 8-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:00:45 GMT." <199802171100.EAA10820@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:24:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > (satire impaired readers: it is likely that the softupdates are removing > > the drive as the bottlenecking factor, or at least reducing the > > influence of the drives in the overall performance, which is actually > > quite cool. I guess it is time to get out the old klunkers and put > > them back online. 8-) ) > > Welcome back to the "pro-BAD144" camp! FTL has a real WD1003 on the shelf here. Anyone got a big enough disk for it? (I appear to have lost/sold my old ACB-232.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 06:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01699 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:38:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from r.scl.ameslab.gov (r.scl.ameslab.gov [147.155.137.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01678 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:38:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ghelmer@scl.ameslab.gov) Received: from demios.scl.ameslab.gov (demios.ether.scl.ameslab.gov [147.155.137.54]) by r.scl.ameslab.gov (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA19983 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:12:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:12:42 -0600 (CST) From: Guy Helmer To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? In-Reply-To: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of > hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. It seems to me like the number of impossible-to-read messages has increased, e.g. MIME-encoded messages for which I don't have an automatic reader and have to save the messages to disk and use "more" on them (although I usually just "d" if the subject sounds completely useless). In particular, I despise "TEXT/html" encoded messages... Guy Helmer, Computer Science Graduate Student - ghelmer@scl.ameslab.gov Iowa State University http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~ghelmer Research Assistant, Scalable Computing Laboratory, Ames Laboratory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 07:39:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13515 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-x2-0075.jumpnet.com [207.8.61.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13477 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id JAA12274; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:30:18 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? References: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> From: Dave Marquardt Date: 17 Feb 1998 09:29:35 -0600 In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey's message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:59:04 +1030" Message-ID: <85afbq45cw.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey writes: > Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see > this as a problem as well? Yes, it's a problem, and the only way to fix it is education. Unfortunately, we have some mail and news reader programs (read "Lotus Notes") that like to act exactly this way when replying, i.e. put the new text at the top and all of the old text below it, so lots of folks who are new to the net think it's normal. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 08:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17868 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:07:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17856 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11141 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:07:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34E9B5C7.9608DCEE@plutotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:07:35 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New email address Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For those of you who regularly correspond with me regarding FreeBSD (and to waste the bandwidth of everyone else), I just want to let you know my new email address: kelly@plutotech.com My old email, kelly@fsl.noaa.gov, should forward for awhile, but not too long. I'm now working for Pluto Technologies International---a very FreeBSD-friendly company. (Just down the hall is Justin Gibbs---we're not worthy, we're not worthy! :-) --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 10:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15389 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15335 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:14:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA24063; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:15:23 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024061; Tue, 17 Feb 98 10:15:22 -0800 Message-ID: <34E9D342.5504DC3C@partsnow.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:13:22 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Birch CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org whew... I was just quoted $38,000.00 for ONE run of a full-page ad. He did also say their mailing list (and a selective filtering of it) is for rent, and also suggested we start asking their editors for a review, which would accomplish the same goal with a lot less outlay. More comments? -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 10:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24670 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24586; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:55:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199802171855.KAA24586@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? In-Reply-To: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Feb 17, 98 04:59:04 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:55:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of > hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. I've come to > expect poorly prepared messages from -questions, and I've written a > web page to try to stop people from doing the nasty things they do, > but lately I've noticed a tendency creeping in to the more technical > mailing lists as well. In particular, people are starting not to > interleave answer and original text, the original reason for quoting > messages, but just appending them at the end of the message, so that > after about three iterations you have to look in four different places > to find the references. i just delete those messages. i dont have the time to dig out the material, the persoan asking or commenting should be polite enough to do the minimum. ;) > > Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see > this as a problem as well? it a real problem. perhaps we are reaching a new collection of FreeBSD users....ones that are less net-educated. as an example, one person has been claiming that the sendmail anti-spam rules dont work. the truth of the matter is that this person has a rudimentary knowlege of sendmail and sendmail rewrite rules. its a shame that he doesnt realize this, but rather declares it broken ;( > > Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) oh, yes its alive and well. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 12:15:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11791 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skywalker.pcrd.net (skywalker.pcrd.net [208.150.191.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11732 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:14:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tree@lyte.org) Received: from localhost (tree@localhost) by skywalker.pcrd.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27694; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:14:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:14:43 -0500 (EST) From: William Birch X-Sender: tree@skywalker.pcrd.net Reply-To: William Birch To: Don Wilde cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out In-Reply-To: <34E9D342.5504DC3C@partsnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > whew... I was just quoted $38,000.00 for ONE run of a full-page ad. ick! do we have 380 people who all want to invest $100? to be cynical ... this is exactly why M$ gets the business :-P i'm a little skeptical about the review idea, probably simply because i don't know the temperment of the editors of that particular magazine. (how brainwashed by M$ are they?) how does a review work? does the group wanting the review set up a system and then the editor sits down and "reviews" it (whatever that adds up to)? or do we send them a CDrom and wait to hear back from them after they have learned to install/configure unix? my only fear in asking for a review is that they might have a total unix hater review it, which would yield a negative review, and undermine the whole reason for this discussion. i suppose, given that $38000 price tag, we're going to have to look at the review option. how does that happen, and how can we help it along? -wil -- /\ William "tree" Birch (WAB) KA1MBE [BSD/Jeep] tree@lyte.org _/\ /#_\ o /\ _ /\ /\_/\_/ \_ #/##\/\__ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ /\__/\/\_ __/ #\_/ \/ #\_/ #/ ### / \ \ #/\/#/##\\/##\##\/##\#\_//#\###/#/\###\_/###/\\####/#\#\##/##/#\##-###\ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 13:10:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21496 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21396 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:09:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA28387; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:09:27 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028371; Tue, 17 Feb 98 13:09:02 -0800 Message-ID: <34E9FBF7.2986AF2B@partsnow.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:07:03 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Birch CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The ad sales guy was helpful and had good suggestions. Basically, we give them a copy to play with and have our 'PR' guys (Jordan? ha, ha.) call their editors. They've actually softened a bit towards Linux and "other freeware" in recent months (< 12). I think their guys are starting to understand "what the world would be like if Microsoft built cars" (If you've seen that one!) and if it were the ONLY one who built cars. I think given the current public sentiment about MS and the DOJ controversy and the snotty attitude their people have shown, Infoworld will be surprisingly receptive. I haven't heard anything from anybody on the core team in response to this topic. How about it, guys? You are the ones who've sweated blood to make this FreeBSD what it is. It's your baby, and I'm not going to promote something you won't appreciate. I'm just a newbie here. -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 14:18:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03861 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:18:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03782 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06341; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:17:21 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Message-ID: <19980218001721.43237@shale.csir.co.za> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:17:21 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: don@partsnow.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: <34E9FBF7.2986AF2B@partsnow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <34E9FBF7.2986AF2B@partsnow.com>; from Don Wilde on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 01:07:03PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 01:07:03PM -0800, Don Wilde wrote: > cars. I think given the current public sentiment about MS and the DOJ > controversy and the snotty attitude their people have shown, Infoworld > will be surprisingly receptive. You think that sentiment from us is bad... just passed this on news.com: --------- Playing off news stories about an Olympics gold medalist snowboarder claiming that he tested positive for marijuana because of second-hand smoke, Sun CEO and stand-up comic Scott McNealy read a top ten list. Top ten computer industry situations caused by second-hand marijuana smoke: 10: Sun considers...buying Apple. 9: Sun considers buying Netscape. 8: Compaq does buy Digital Equipment. 7: Let's call that product "Bob." 6: Let's call our sons Maverick and Dakota. 5: We only need two digits in the date field. 4: Windows 95. 3: I said I wanted Adobe, not a doobie. 2: Windows won't work without the Explorer browser, your honor. 1: Java is just a programming language. --------- Obviously some other behind-the-scenes stuff he's pushing, but I don't think he likes Microsoft very much... I wonder why? :) -Jeremy -- .sig.gz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 14:22:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04404 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from diabolik.logic.it (diabolik.logic.it [195.120.151.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA04293 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from molter@logic.it) Received: (qmail 20195 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1998 21:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dumbwinter.logic.it) (195.120.151.135) by diabolik.logic.it with SMTP; 17 Feb 1998 21:54:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 466 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Feb 1998 21:48:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:48:34 +0100 (MET) From: Marco Molteni To: Don Wilde cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out In-Reply-To: <34E8688E.76A93CD7@partsnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Don Wilde wrote: > I would like to see if anyone is interested in joining together to > take out a large ad in Infoworld to promote FreeBSD. I myself would > contribute $100 cash to the effort Don, add myself to the list. My $100 are at disposal. Marco --- Il mondo e' bello perche' e' Bacio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 15:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22861 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:42:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22645 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from ts1-cltnc-31.cetlink.net (ts1-cltnc-31.cetlink.net [209.54.58.31]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15419; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:41:42 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: William Birch Cc: Don Wilde , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:42:10 GMT Message-ID: <34eb2cf8.2218255@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id PAA22703 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:14:43 -0500 (EST), William Birch wrote: >my only fear in asking for a review is that they might have a >total unix hater review it, which would yield a negative review, >and undermine the whole reason for this discussion. Don't ask a stranger to review it. The writer does not need to be on the magazine staff. >given that $38000 price tag, we're going to have to >look at the review option. > >how does that happen, and how can we help it along? Go buy a book on how to get published. It will explain how to get your first article published in a magazine. With some effort, the suggested techniques may work -- they did for me. You too can become a writer and publish your own review of FreeBSD. -- The day of the proprietary OS is over. Long live free software. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 16:05:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26804 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:05:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26749 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA28748; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199802180004.QAA28748@kithrup.com> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? In-Reply-To: <199802171855.KAA24586.kithrup.freebsd.chat@hub.freebsd.org> References: <19980217165904.38126@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Feb 17, 98 04:59:04 pm" Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <199802171855.KAA24586.kithrup.freebsd.chat@hub.freebsd.org> jmb writes: >> In particular, people are starting not to >> interleave answer and original text, the original reason for quoting >> messages, but just appending them at the end of the message, so that >> after about three iterations you have to look in four different places >> to find the references. > i just delete those messages. > i dont have the time to dig out the material, > the persoan asking or commenting should be polite enough to > do the minimum. ;) So you delete all messags from Jordan? While admittedly a way to cut down on your daily amount of email, I'd think Terry would be a better candidate... For news, I just send people a copy of a news.announce.newusers posting. If/when they respond with flames ("who the hell made you net.cop?"), I typically just add them to my .procmailrc file. *sigh* And how about netcom's abuse people, who reply by including the entire spam, and, *at the bottome*, saying what action they've taken? Bah. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 19:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00855 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host1.texramp.net (root@host1.texramp.net [209.144.20.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00679 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:05:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbell@texramp.net) Received: from lizard (dbell.texramp.net [209.144.20.197]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA00811 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:11:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802180311.VAA00811@host1.texramp.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dana Bell" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:00:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of > hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. I've come to > expect poorly prepared messages from -questions, and I've written a > web page to try to stop people from doing the nasty things they do, You gonna give us the URL? > Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see > this as a problem as well? Folks must just be too busy to interleave. In fact, I think most are too busy to click the button to not quote the message, since many replies have very little reference to the original message. > Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) Duh, is this chat? :) dbell@texramp.net | http://www.texramp.net/~dbell WebPageMaker - http://www.texramp.net/~dbell/pagemaker.html Disc Golf - http://www.texramp.net/~dbell/discgolf.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 17 20:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14173 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13859 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:30:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28713; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:00:09 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA29514; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:00:08 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980218150008.23096@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:00:08 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Dana Bell , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or are people forgetting how to write mail?c References: <199802180311.VAA00811@host1.texramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802180311.VAA00811@host1.texramp.net>; from Dana Bell on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 09:00:55PM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 February 1998 at 21:00:55 +0000, Dana Bell wrote: >> It seems to me that in the last couple of months the number of >> hard-to-read mail messages has significantly increased. I've come to >> expect poorly prepared messages from -questions, and I've written a >> web page to try to stop people from doing the nasty things they do, > > You gonna give us the URL? Since you insist :-) http://www.lemis.com/email.html I'll gratefully receive any suggestions for improvement. >> Am I just getting intolerant in my old age, or do other people see >> this as a problem as well? > > Folks must just be too busy to interleave. In fact, I think most are > too busy to click the button to not quote the message, since many > replies have very little reference to the original message. Oh, I get a few of those, too. Sombody replies to a reply I sent to -questions and says (complete message): * No, I didn't mean it that way. Compared with that, I'd rather have the whole message >> Oh, and this way I'll see if -chat is still alive :-) > > Duh, is this chat? :) Yup, and this is the first message I've had from it in a couple of weeks. Seems there *was* some breakage, but Jonathan's fixed it now. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 08:36:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09340 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09251 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA07736; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007733; Wed, 18 Feb 98 08:36:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34EB0DA4.8C7C7458@partsnow.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:34:44 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kelly CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: <34eb2cf8.2218255@mail.cetlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, I was thinking more of a comparison similar to the one a few months back that was discussed in this -chat list. That one was unfair because the guy set things up out of the box, didn't tune the FreeBSD at all, and the machine was huge enough that M$ could actually run. I would be glad to write a straight review, maybe we should offer that as well. Suppose we set up two HW configs, say a P166 with 64MB and a P][ with 256MB, and give teams of experts from each side a week to build a website to spec. Then we do a load test. This will allow them to play their ASP games, and us to tweak our machine and our CGI scripts. I think this would be a fair comparison. We could do it at one of the big shows, maybe, and make it a public event. I will approach InfoWorld editorial staff about this. -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 12:15:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01884 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01734 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08101; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:14:41 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02908; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:14:40 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980218211424.57538@follo.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:14:24 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Karl Denninger Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <19980218131706.14884@mcs.net> <10265.887832121@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <10265.887832121@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 12:02:01PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 12:02:01PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Nope - too much tax headache every year and we don't pull in enough > right now to justify the accountant fees that a properly prepared > 501(c)3 return requires. What's a 501(c)3? Tax-exempt (sp?) donations? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 17:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02725 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02638 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA01447; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:31:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id TAA01514; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:31:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980218193137.11214@mcs.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:31:37 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: Eivind Eklund Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <19980218131706.14884@mcs.net> <10265.887832121@time.cdrom.com> <19980218211424.57538@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <19980218211424.57538@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:14:24PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:14:24PM +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote: > [moved to -chat] > > On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 12:02:01PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Nope - too much tax headache every year and we don't pull in enough > > right now to justify the accountant fees that a properly prepared > > 501(c)3 return requires. > > What's a 501(c)3? Tax-exempt (sp?) donations? > > Eivind. Correct. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex support on ALL modems Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 17:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04931 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04813 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:42:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id AAA22934 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:18:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id AAA18787; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:02:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980219000224.02983@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:02:24 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: Softupdates "benchmark" Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4066 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not real benchmarks but some timings. Code used is softupdates4 + kirk.tar.gz cvs = cvs co src (the entire /usr/src tree, 3258 dirs, 23140 files) rm = rm -rf src (wipe out the same) Disk is IBM DCAS-34330W on a SC-875 (ultra-wide). /dev/sd1s1e 4177673 1858125 1985335 48% /z sync,noatime -=-=-=-=-=-= cvs = 55.136u 74.805s 23:01.18 rm = 0.375u 7.481s 10:28.69 async,noatime -=-=-=-=-=-=- cvs = 55.505u 67.344s 12:11.78 rm = 0.361u 7.543s 6:38.67 soft-updates -=-=-=-=-=-=- cvs = 54.465u 79.309s 12:53.32 rm = 0.358u 3.830s 1:43.25 soft-updates,noatime -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- cvs = 54.726u 79.236s 12:56.58 rm = 0.243u 3.977s 1:49.23 -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Feb 14 15:42:16 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 19:17:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21944 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:17:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newport-1-13.quick.net (josh@newport-1-13.quick.net [207.212.160.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21934 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josh@newport-1-13.quick.net) Received: (from josh@localhost) by newport-1-13.quick.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10784; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:16:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josh) Message-ID: <19980218191659.04355@newport-2-7.quick.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:16:59 -0800 From: Josh Gilliam To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Bill GATES calls the Belgian Police (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90 (restore_url) X-IRC: soil X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: cee@tadpole.fr (Christian EDMOND ) Message-Id: <9802172131.AA04908@tadpole.fr> To: solaris-x86@webpro.eis.com Subject: S-x86; Bill GATES calls the Belgian Police > From: Van Den Berge, Kristof > > "Brussels police department, how may I assist you?" > "Uh.. yes.. I just got hit in the face with a cream pie." > "Okay, sir. Have you called the Brussels police department before?" > "No" > "Well, let me get a little information about you for our records. Your > name?" > "Bill GATES" > "Country?" > "The USA" > "Native language?" > "English" > "Okay, sir. Your police department ID number is BP31415927. Please use > this number the next time you call. Now, you say you were hit in the > face with a pie?" > "Yes, I was just about to meet with the Belgian Prime Minister. One > person distracted me while another hit me with a cream pie." > "We've had other customers report that they were hit in the face with > a custard pie. Are you sure it was a cream pie?" > "Well, I have white stuff all over my face and I don't see any > custard, so I really don't think it was a custard pie." > "Have you visited the Prime Minister before?" > "Yes" > "Were you hit in the face with a pie then?" > "No" > "Hmm... have you visited any other Prime Ministers in the past month?" > "Yes" > "Any pies then?" > "No" > "Okay, well.. let's try something. Go outside the building and come in > again. I'll wait." > "Just a minute.." "Okay, I'm back." > "Did you get hit by another pie?" > "Of course not" > "Well sir, I don't know what could have caused the first pie, but it > looks like things are working fine now. I'll make a note of the > problem, though. > If it happens again, please note the exact details of the situation > and call > us again. Thank you for calling the Brussels Police Department. > " -- Josh Gilliam 1 714 633 6499 5333 E LOS ARBOLES AVE josh@quick.net ORANGE CA 92869-4216 USA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 21:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07530 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07495 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10807; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07288; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:32:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:32:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199802190532.WAA07288@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: John Polstra , Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <24700.887856572@time.cdrom.com> References: <199802190236.SAA15418@austin.polstra.com> <24700.887856572@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ moved to -chat ] > > until the weekend to grab it out of the repository and put it into > > your vault along with that old Meet the Monkees LP you've been fondly > > cherishing for all these years. But hey, I've got an innovative > > Whoa!! Terry has a "Meet the Monkees" LP he hasn't told us about?? > Terry, baby, cookie, friend - I'll trade you a Sean Cassidy album AND > my "Leif Garrett sings the hits of Muddy Waters" on 8-track > (naturally) for it, and you can't get the latter just anywhere. I've got a Bay-City Rollers 45 of 'S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y night' I'd be willing to trade for something cool and hip. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 21:44:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09611 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:44:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09531 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:44:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id QAA00447; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:42:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802190542.QAA00447@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802190532.WAA07288@mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Feb 18, 98 10:32:15 pm" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:42:27 +1100 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, jdp@polstra.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > I've got a Bay-City Rollers 45 of 'S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y night' I'd be willing > to trade for something cool and hip. :) As someone said in a message here recently, "this is scary". What is an LP, anyway? 8-) -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 22:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11771 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:01:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11743 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16732; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199802190600.WAA16732@austin.polstra.com> To: John Birrell cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:42:27 +1100." <199802190542.QAA00447@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:00:30 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What is an LP, anyway? 8-) Ah, that stands for "Lightweight Platter". It was the predecessor to the compact disc. First they made them light, then they worked on the size of the things. LPs were invented by Thomas Edison, the founder of Sony. Any other historical questions, just let me know. I'm always happy to share my knowledge! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 22:07:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12393 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:07:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12374 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id RAA00547; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:06:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802190606.RAA00547@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802190600.WAA16732@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Feb 18, 98 10:00:30 pm" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:06:53 +1100 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > > What is an LP, anyway? 8-) > > Ah, that stands for "Lightweight Platter". I thought it might have stood for Large Pr**k, in which case I was going to admit that I've never had one of them. 8-) -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 22:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13344 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:11:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13300 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:11:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10957; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802190611.WAA10957@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: John Polstra cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:00:30 PST." <199802190600.WAA16732@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:11:08 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > size of the things. LPs were invented by Thomas Edison, the founder > of Sony. Can I really quote you and post the above to a popular Japanese newsgroup 8) Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 22:13:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13836 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13785 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:13:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16905; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199802190613.WAA16905@austin.polstra.com> To: John Birrell cc: nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:06:53 +1100." <199802190606.RAA00547@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:13:27 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I thought it might have stood for Large Pr**k, in which case I was > going to admit that I've never had one of them. 8-) Wow, you mean you were born with a compact disc? Does medical science know about this? :-) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 18 22:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15498 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:23:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15191 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id RAA00619; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:21:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802190621.RAA00619@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802190613.WAA16905@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Feb 18, 98 10:13:27 pm" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:21:23 +1100 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > Wow, you mean you were born with a compact disc? Does medical > science know about this? :-) I'm not sure about a _compact_ disc, perhaps a floppy disk! And believe me, medical science knows all about this. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 03:11:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24130 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24095 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10755; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:06:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd010747; Thu Feb 19 01:06:55 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25363; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:06:52 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802190806.BAA25363@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:06:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, jdp@polstra.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802190532.WAA07288@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 18, 98 10:32:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Whoa!! Terry has a "Meet the Monkees" LP he hasn't told us about?? > > Terry, baby, cookie, friend - I'll trade you a Sean Cassidy album AND > > my "Leif Garrett sings the hits of Muddy Waters" on 8-track > > (naturally) for it, and you can't get the latter just anywhere. > > I've got a Bay-City Rollers 45 of 'S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y night' I'd be willing > to trade for something cool and hip. :) Too late, I have one of these, too. The flip side is "Yesterdays Heroes". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 03:15:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24773 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:15:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24745 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:14:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10846; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd010830; Thu Feb 19 01:08:08 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25421; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:08:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802190808.BAA25421@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:08:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, jdp@polstra.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802190542.QAA00447@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at Feb 19, 98 04:42:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I've got a Bay-City Rollers 45 of 'S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y night' I'd be willing > > to trade for something cool and hip. :) > > As someone said in a message here recently, "this is scary". > > What is an LP, anyway? 8-) A non-ferromagnetic, non-digital recording media. You'd have to have a sense of history to appreciate one. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 04:39:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07986 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1y-int.prodigy.net (mail1y-ext.prodigy.net [198.83.19.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07973; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:39:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamesh@etsu.edu) Received: from localhost (jamesh@slip166-72-245-253.tn.us.ibm.net [166.72.245.253]) by mail1y-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA82062; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:37:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:37:34 -0500 (EST) From: James X-Sender: jamesh@localhost Reply-To: zjhh2@etsu.edu To: Terry Lambert cc: John Birrell , nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, jdp@polstra.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jhhiggins@prodigy.net Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802190808.BAA25421@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > As someone said in a message here recently, "this is scary". > > > > What is an LP, anyway? 8-) > > A non-ferromagnetic, non-digital recording media. > Non-Digital???? That is almost obscene.. :) James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 11:18:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06425 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06378; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA07397; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo devnull from jfesler@calweb.com server @devnull.calweb.com ip 207.173.135.51 Message-ID: <026101bd3d6b$577396f0$3387adcf@devnull.calweb.com> From: "Jason Fesler" To: , Subject: zdnet about Whistle Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:19:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SMALL BUSINESSES ARE PRIMED FOR NETWORKING http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/adt0219co/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_1787.htm l Whistle Communications thinks its easy-to-use Internet access box is in tune with small business needs. Andrew Madden explains why companies like Whistle are so keen on the small business marke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 15:00:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08789 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:00:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08778 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01437; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:29:54 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA29088; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:29:53 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980220092953.24137@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:29:53 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jason Fesler , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: zdnet about Whistle References: <026101bd3d6b$577396f0$3387adcf@devnull.calweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <026101bd3d6b$577396f0$3387adcf@devnull.calweb.com>; from Jason Fesler on Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 11:19:45AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 February 1998 at 11:19:45 -0800, Jason Fesler wrote: > SMALL BUSINESSES ARE PRIMED FOR NETWORKING > > http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/adt0219co/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_1787.htm > l I love that lone "l" on the second line. That's what you get for using a Microsoft MUA. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 15:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12375 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:20:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11811 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:18:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id QAA19107; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26620; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:16:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:16:21 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: jack cc: Amancio Hasty , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, jack wrote: > On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > While we are in the topic of advertising FreeBSD, > > http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/ > > Topic: Could You get Fired for Chosing Linux > > > > Feel to "Fire" at Berst it looks like he honestly is begging for it . > > > > It is time to take this show on the road 8) > > That guy's a total idiot. IIRC, he once touted the wonders of > NetMedic. In today's article he recommends dumping your ISP if > you have trouble loading web pages, yeah 404 errors are always on > the requesting side, and if your email isn't delivered within > five minutes. /Every/ complaint of slow delivery I have > investigated has been because the other end refused the > connection (usually AOL, go figure) or it was delivered within > seconds but the other end, more often than not a national > provider or RBOC, took hours to make it available to their > customer. Don't worry, even the guys at Ziff Davis that I was talking to yesterday think he is an... erm... clueless moron. Will be interesting to see if ZD's (erm... Softbank's) public share offering will change how they do things. Probably not, since it is already so easy to corrupt journalists. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 16:25:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29560 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spokane.vmunix.com (p6a.silicon.sentex.ca [207.245.212.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29439 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:24:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@spokane.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by spokane.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA01081; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980219192633.38674@vmunix.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:26:33 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pre-emptive multitasking patent! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Interesting little bit of news: http://www.businessweek.com/1998/08/b3566027.htm I wonder if he'll stop with Microsoft if he wins? Surely the term has been in wide spread use for ages though?? Seems unbelievable that someone could patent it at this stage in the game! -Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 16:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02961 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:49:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02802 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id LAA00578; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:48:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802200048.LAA00578@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: pre-emptive multitasking patent! In-Reply-To: <19980219192633.38674@vmunix.com> from Mark Mayo at "Feb 19, 98 07:26:33 pm" To: mark@vmunix.com (Mark Mayo) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:48:09 +1100 (EST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Mayo wrote: > Interesting little bit of news: > > http://www.businessweek.com/1998/08/b3566027.htm > > I wonder if he'll stop with Microsoft if he wins? Surely the term > has been in wide spread use for ages though?? Seems unbelievable > that someone could patent it at this stage in the game! Doh! Americans! -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 17:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08420 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:19:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08408 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05887; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:17:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200117.RAA05887@implode.root.com> To: Mark Mayo cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pre-emptive multitasking patent! From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:17:52 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, that article mentions pre-emptive multithreading, which FreeBSD doesn't currently support in the kernel. This might be an issue if we go beyond the single giant lock model in SMP, however. I haven't read the patent, but it shouldn't be difficult to prove prior art. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 19 22:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27008 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:49:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emerald.accessv.com (emerald.accessv.com [206.221.248.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27002 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:48:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grobin@accessv.com) Received: from accessv.com (76.209.135.80.dialup.accessv.com [209.135.80.76]) by emerald.accessv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07784 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:44:35 -0500 Message-ID: <34ED2679.2BFBB9B3@accessv.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:45:13 -0500 From: Geoffrey Robinson Reply-To: grobin@accessv.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coming out References: <34E9FBF7.2986AF2B@partsnow.com> <19980218001721.43237@shale.csir.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeremy Lea wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 01:07:03PM -0800, Don Wilde wrote: > > cars. I think given the current public sentiment about MS and the DOJ > > controversy and the snotty attitude their people have shown, Infoworld > > will be surprisingly receptive. > > You think that sentiment from us is bad... just passed this on news.com: > > --------- > Playing off news stories about an Olympics gold medalist snowboarder > claiming that he tested positive for marijuana because of second-hand smoke, > Sun CEO and stand-up comic Scott McNealy read a top ten list. > > Top ten computer industry situations caused by second-hand marijuana smoke: > > 10: Sun considers...buying Apple. > 9: Sun considers buying Netscape. > 8: Compaq does buy Digital Equipment. > 7: Let's call that product "Bob." > 6: Let's call our sons Maverick and Dakota. > 5: We only need two digits in the date field. > 4: Windows 95. > 3: I said I wanted Adobe, not a doobie. > 2: Windows won't work without the Explorer browser, your honor. > 1: Java is just a programming language. > > --------- > > Obviously some other behind-the-scenes stuff he's pushing, but I don't think > he likes Microsoft very much... I wonder why? :) Since we're on the topic of bashing Micro$oft. from HAND ('Have A Nice Day' Laugh) ROSWELL, N.M. (AP) -- Today, the United States Air Force issued a long-awaited report about the "Roswell Incident" in which some people claim that software from Microsoft functioned correctly in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. As expected, the government's 261-page report denied that there had ever been any evidence that this had ever happened, despite eyewitness reports to the contrary. The report claims that what witnesses actually saw was an experimental Macintosh running a variation of Unix, or perhaps an experimental Unix machine using a form of the MacOS. Although the official Air Force position is that this is their final report on the matter, long-time Microsoft devotees are not satisfied. "We know it really happened," said Gil Bates, spokesman for a group of Microsoft enthusiasts who call themselves "The .exe-files". The group's claim of having seen Windows run without crashing is tainted by the revelation earlier this year that some members had falsified evidence by doctoring output from standard Unix utilities and passing it off as Windows data files. To subscribe to HAND list, send email TO: majordomo@bapp.com in body of MESSAGE type: subscribe HAND To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 01:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16557 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symsun3.symbionics.co.uk [194.32.100.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA16545 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmlb@symbionics.co.uk) Received: from by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB13629; Fri, 20 Feb 98 09:22:15 GMT Received: by symnt3.symbionics.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3DE0.E6295900@symnt3.symbionics.co.uk>; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:21:17 -0000 Message-Id: From: Duncan Barclay To: "'dg@root.com'" Cc: "'chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: pre-emptive multitasking patent! Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:21:16 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Actually, that article mentions pre-emptive multithreading, which FreeBSD >doesn't currently support in the kernel. This might be an issue if we go >beyond the single giant lock model in SMP, however. I haven't read the >patent, but it shouldn't be difficult to prove prior art. > > -DG > >David Greenman > I had a look at the patent a couple of days ago. It's a bit odd in that he seems to be shooting himself in the foot re-prior art by citing papers back to 1972 by CAR Hoare and a few bits in the 70's. > >Duncan > >PS. if the formatting is crap sorry; at work with M$ Exchange. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 02:54:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27923 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:54:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27830 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:53:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gladsheim.ifi.uio.no (2602@gladsheim.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.132]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA21176 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:53:39 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gladsheim.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:53:38 +0100 (MET) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd-bugs Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 20 Feb 1998 11:53:37 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Which prs are echoed to freebsd-bugs by GNATS, and which aren't? At least two prs I've sent in (one of which was closed by Eivind today) haven't appeared on the list. -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 03:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01110 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:21:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01099 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01887; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:21:04 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA24327; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:21:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980220122102.30055@follo.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:21:02 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-bugs References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpoh02v972=2Efsf=40gladsheim=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_f?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?rom_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav_on_Fri=2C_Feb_20=2C_1998?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_at_11=3A53=3A37AM_+0100?= Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 11:53:37AM +0100, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Which prs are echoed to freebsd-bugs by GNATS, and which aren't? At > least two prs I've sent in (one of which was closed by Eivind today) > haven't appeared on the list. Then something is flakey. I've seen it on the list (if you are referring to the PR itself). BTW: Oughtn't we get together the active FreeBSD users/programmers in the Oslo area for a beer one day? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 07:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02787 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:11:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc8.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02753; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:11:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.90.6]) by ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27116; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:11:19 +0100 (CET) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA26848; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:11:18 +0100 (CET) To: Mark Murray Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci brktree_reg.h brooktree848.c References: <199802201450.GAA21197@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 20 Feb 1998 16:11:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mark Murray's message of Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:50:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <87btw2gvl6.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.16 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Murray writes: > Log: > [More nasty sailor language] - I hate "cvs update -jHEAD". It does not > work. Despam the last commit. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You do realize that there are lots of non-native speakers who are eager to learn new words? And maybe some others who are interested in local dialects of the English language? ;-) tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 08:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20603 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:47:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20525 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:47:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA10798; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:47:28 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:47:27 +0100 (MET) To: Eivind Eklund Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-bugs References: <19980220122102.30055@follo.net> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 20 Feb 1998 17:47:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: Eivind Eklund's message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:21:02 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eivind Eklund writes: > On Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 11:53:37AM +0100, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > Which prs are echoed to freebsd-bugs by GNATS, and which aren't? At > > least two prs I've sent in (one of which was closed by Eivind today) > > haven't appeared on the list. > Then something is flakey. I've seen it on the list (if you are > referring to the PR itself). Yup, it's here now, but I didn't get it until *after* I got your answer. Anyway, when I look through my freebsd-bugs folder, about one or two pr in five is missing (judging from the numbers). Are there really that many confidential prs? > BTW: Oughtn't we get together the active FreeBSD users/programmers in > the Oslo area for a beer one day? Now *that* is a jolly good idea :) -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 09:24:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27835 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27808 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:24:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA01798; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from henrich) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199802201723.MAA01798@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: toasty@home.dragondata.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 215 day uptime on 2.2.2 Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <6ckdtd$iat$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >I had a machine running on 2.2.2 running under heavy load for 215 days. I >finally had to take it down to move it. I got you beat, a 2.2-960801-SNAP machine, been up under light web loads: 12:23PM up 476 days, 5:07, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 10:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11588 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:47:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11564; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23969; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:46:33 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17422; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:46:32 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199802201846.UAA17422@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Thomas Gellekum cc: Mark Murray , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci brktree_reg.h brooktree848.c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:46:31 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Gellekum wrote: > You do realize that there are lots of non-native speakers who are > eager to learn new words? And maybe some others who are interested in > local dialects of the English language? ;-) Hehehe! In ZA we have 11 official languages. I can swear fluently in 4 of them. waddya want to know? M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 18:37:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05196 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05150; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:37:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA22924; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:37:07 -0800 (PST) To: Greg Lehey cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: More breakage in -current as a result of header frobbing. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:04:19 +1030." <19980221130419.54663@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: <22921.888028626@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This is the third breakage in three days. Do you think somebody is > trying to tell you that now's not the time for a snap CD-ROM? Yeah, no kidding. Since nobody seems to be build testing their changes anymore I guess I'll just put this on the "indefinate postponement" list. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 19:44:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15475 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:44:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15383; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04934; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:04:20 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA15144; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:04:19 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980221130419.54663@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:04:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: More breakage in -current as a result of header frobbing. References: <22804.888028248@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <22804.888028248@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 06:30:48PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 February 1998 at 18:30:48 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/stat.h:51, > from /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libg++/libio/f > iledoalloc.c:47: > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/time.h:120: parse error before `timecounter > _get_t' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/time.h:120: warning: data definition has no > type or storage class > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/time.h:125: parse error before `timecounter > _get_t' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/time.h:125: warning: no semicolon at end of > struct or union > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/time.h:142: parse error before `}' > *** Error code 1 This is the third breakage in three days. Do you think somebody is trying to tell you that now's not the time for a snap CD-ROM? Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 20 21:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26549 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:00:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26497; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:00:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA27837; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:01:14 GMT Message-ID: <001d01bd3e84$f5f018c0$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Greg Lehey" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: , "FreeBSD Chat" Subject: Re: More breakage in -current as a result of header frobbing. Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:55:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been silently playing with -current, i have had 3 sucessful make worlds in the last week, there was period of breakage recently, but as of about 1 day, 2hours ago the source tree was ok it seemed. kernel and world compiled fine for me. -Alfred -----Original Message----- From: Jordan K. Hubbard To: Greg Lehey Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG ; FreeBSD Chat Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 5:43 PM Subject: Re: More breakage in -current as a result of header frobbing. >> This is the third breakage in three days. Do you think somebody is >> trying to tell you that now's not the time for a snap CD-ROM? > >Yeah, no kidding. Since nobody seems to be build testing their >changes anymore I guess I'll just put this on the "indefinate >postponement" list. > > Jordan > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 21 01:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25265 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25239 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvanloon@MindBender.serv.net) From: mvanloon@MindBender.serv.net Received: from lobotomy.HeadCandy.com (Lobotomy.HeadCandy.com [198.232.197.130]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01459; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by Lobotomy.HeadCandy.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1ZAPYVRN>; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:50:03 -0800 Message-ID: <226EB39D3C91D111B2F900A0C9054383295F@Lobotomy.HeadCandy.com> To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, toasty@home.dragondata.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 215 day uptime on 2.2.2 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:50:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Somebody posted on the NetBSD lists that he had two boxes with > 500 days uptime. I'll dig it up if you want. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Henrich [SMTP:henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu] > Sent: Friday, February 20, 1998 9:24 AM > > In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: > >I had a machine running on 2.2.2 running under heavy load for 215 > days. I > >finally had to take it down to move it. > > I got you beat, a 2.2-960801-SNAP machine, been up under light web > loads: > 12:23PM up 476 days, 5:07, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 21 02:49:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05799 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 02:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05793 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 02:49:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00237; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 05:47:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199802211047.FAA00237@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802190600.WAA16732@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Feb 18, 98 10:00:30 pm" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 05:47:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra said: > > What is an LP, anyway? 8-) > > Ah, that stands for "Lightweight Platter". It was the predecessor to > the compact disc. First they made them light, then they worked on the > size of the things. LPs were invented by Thomas Edison, the founder > of Sony. > > Any other historical questions, just let me know. I'm always happy to > share my knowledge! > I thought that LP was short for "Long Play" at 30mins per side, where they could last alot longer than the old '78s, which were good for approx 15mins per side??? -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 21 03:11:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA07996 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:11:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07984; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id WAA26920; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:11:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802211111.WAA26920@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802211047.FAA00237@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at "Feb 21, 98 05:47:23 am" To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:11:02 +1100 (EST) Cc: jdp@polstra.com, jb@cimlogic.com.au, nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John S. Dyson wrote: > I thought that LP was short for "Long Play" at 30mins per side, where they > could last alot longer than the old '78s, which were good for approx 15mins > per side??? How can you be serious with the name "boggle" in the subject? This is all just propaganda. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message