From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 29 00:57:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24241 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24232 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:56:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id SAA22240; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:56:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma022237; Sun, 29 Mar 98 18:56:12 +1000 Received: from troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (troll.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.1]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28555 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:54:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA05387; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:54:29 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199803290854.SAA05387@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.dtir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: OS Comparisons. References: <351D3EE1.AF52232D@ninbox.ml.org> In-Reply-To: <351D3EE1.AF52232D@ninbox.ml.org> from Kris Kirby at "29 Mar 1998 04:18:18 +1000" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:54:29 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 29th March 1998, Kris Kirby wrote: >David Greenman wrote: >> >> Funny, I didn't answer any of the questions and was put into the Linux >> camp. It's annoying yet interesting that it skips over OS/2 and FreeBSD >> when it decides you're a Linux candidate. I wonder if it always decides >> "linux" is best for you, no matter how you answer the questions? :-) > >I've been playing with it for a while and noticed a trend: if four of >the questions are "right," the fifth doesn't matter. It appears to me >that answering only one or two questions will determine the answer. Hey, what's holding you folk back? It's all javascript. :-) Answer key: a - Linux, b - new deal office (whatever the hell that is), c - BeOS, d - FreeBSD, e - OS/2. Add them up and take the winner. Ties are resolved in this order: Linux, ndo, BeOS, FreeBSD, OS/2, which is coincidentally the same as the key order. Shame on you all for not reading the source! Stephen. "Razor! Razor! Blood! Spurt! Artery! Murder!" -- Monty Python. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 29 01:59:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28044 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28039 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (Ml2qCQ45NfEUpSJptLllvTUmW99VjmD1@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08925 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:59:31 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (MLM1PxkTj50eXFjqzvdn6qo1181WqH0r@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07012 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:59:28 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199803290959.LAA07012@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Party! Party! Party! International CVS-CTM #100!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:59:28 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi FYI, the International Crypto Repository has just sent out CTM number 100 for int-cvs-cur :-) Pop the champagne!! :-) M ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:52:45 +0200 (SAT) From: FreeBSD International To: ctm@internat.freebsd.org Subject: CTM int-cvs-cur Sun Mar 29 11:49:28 SAT 1998 Doing CTMname int-cvs-cur CTMnbr 100 CTMdate 19980329094929Z CTM_BEGIN 2.0 int-cvs-cur 100 19980329094929Z . END: Names: END: ignore: 0 ref 22 target END: bogus: 0 ref 0 target END: wrong: 0 ref 0 target END: Delta: END: new: 0 dirs 1 files 386 plus END: del: 0 dirs 0 files 0 minus END: chg: 3 files 762 plus 0 minus END: same: 209 dirs 1162 files 9107106 bytes END: Method: END: edit: 2 files 1128 bytes 108346 saved END: sub: 1 files 16 bytes mkctm done Applying delta Moving delta Mailing delta ctm_smail: int-cvs-cur.0100.gz 1/1 sent to int-cvs-cur Doing CTMname int-cvs-cur CTMnbr 100A CTMdate 19980329094929Z CTM_BEGIN 2.0 int-cvs-cur 100 19980329094929Z . END: Names: END: ignore: 0 ref 0 target END: bogus: 0 ref 0 target END: wrong: 0 ref 0 target END: Delta: END: new: 209 dirs 1166 files 9216982 plus END: del: 0 dirs 0 files 0 minus END: chg: 0 files 0 plus 0 minus END: same: 0 dirs 0 files 0 bytes END: Method: END: edit: 0 files 0 bytes 0 saved END: sub: 0 files 0 bytes mkctm done Moving delta done. ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 29 02:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29713 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29697 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:31:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28765; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:01:46 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA24494; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:01:43 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980329200142.59501@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:01:42 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Mark Murray , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Party! Party! Party! International CVS-CTM #100!! References: <199803290959.LAA07012@greenpeace.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803290959.LAA07012@greenpeace.grondar.za>; from Mark Murray on Sun, Mar 29, 1998 at 11:59:28AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 29 March 1998 at 11:59:28 +0200, Mark Murray wrote: > Hi > > FYI, the International Crypto Repository has just sent out CTM number > 100 for int-cvs-cur :-) > > Pop the champagne!! :-) Done. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 29 19:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07266 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com (iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com [204.87.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06692 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jpurser@wilcofarmers.com) Received: from jpurser.pdx.oneworld.com (mta170.pdx.oneworld.com [143.227.39.170]) by iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18568 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:12:14 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5B1C.AC2BB780.jpurser@wilcofarmers.com> From: "John M. Purser" To: "'freebsd-chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: subscribe freebsd-chat Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:12:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-chat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 30 22:40:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00766 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from piggy.mdstud.chalmers.se (root@piggy.mdstud.chalmers.se [129.16.234.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00755 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from md6tommy@mdstud.chalmers.se) Received: from grosse.mdstud.chalmers.se (md6tommy@grosse.mdstud.chalmers.se [129.16.234.21]) by piggy.mdstud.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01259 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:40:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (md6tommy@localhost) by grosse.mdstud.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13393 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:40:35 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: grosse.mdstud.chalmers.se: md6tommy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:40:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Tommy Hallgren To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Nice things said about FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For the interested: http://forums.infoworld.com/threads/get.cgi?49273 Tommy Hallgren(md6tommy@mdstud.chalmers.se) - the source of all good beers... Go to http://www.freebsd.org and get real BSD Unix. Today! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 30 23:23:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05470 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05459 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca) Received: (from taob@localhost) by tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21002; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:23:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca To: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Mozilla source code release party Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone else planning to attend this event in San Francisco this Wednesday? I'm in San Jose right now, so I'll probably hitch a ride up with the SVLUG Linux folks from the Cisco campus (Marc Andressen is the guest speaker that night). I'll most likely be in black jeans, black trenchcoat and of course my FreeBSD T-shirt. ;-) Party info - http://www.mozilla.org/party/ SVLUG meeting/carpool info - http://www.svlug.org/meetings.shtml -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 30 23:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06172 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06159 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id XAA16689; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:30:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Re: Mozilla source code release party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darn. Now I have to find a new, original t-shirt to wear. Gee, I wonder how many people will have Linux t-shirts. Ohh... I got it. I'll wear MS's IE t-shirt. Yeah.. thats it. :) -- Yan Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Brian Tao wrote: > Anyone else planning to attend this event in San Francisco this >Wednesday? I'm in San Jose right now, so I'll probably hitch a ride >up with the SVLUG Linux folks from the Cisco campus (Marc Andressen is >the guest speaker that night). I'll most likely be in black jeans, >black trenchcoat and of course my FreeBSD T-shirt. ;-) > >Party info - http://www.mozilla.org/party/ >SVLUG meeting/carpool info - http://www.svlug.org/meetings.shtml > >-- >Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) >"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 31 07:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00507 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00491 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:08:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: (from mishania@localhost) by skraldespand.demos.su (8.8.8/D) id TAA05720; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:07:28 +0400 (MSD) Posted-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:07:28 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980331190728.06432@demos.su> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:07:28 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: arla/afs? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, have anybody of you interested in AFS looked at ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/arla/ ? This is directed to chat@freebsd.org since I don't want to annoy afs@freebsd - might be I missed something once again ;-) --- README for arla-0.4 ($Name: arla-0-4 $) $Id: README,v 1.15 1998/03/26 02:37:59 assar Exp $ 1. What is arla? Arla is a free AFS cache-manager/client implementation. 2. Where do I find this file? This file is contained inside ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/arla/arla-0.4.tar.gz (aka /afs/stacken.kth.se/ftp/pub/arla/arla-0.4.tar.gz). 3. What is AFS? AFS is a world-wide distributed file system. See for more information. 4. What's included in arla? There is kernel support (with different level of functionality) for the following operating systems: - FreeBSD 2.2 - OpenBSD 2.2 and 2.3 - NetBSD 1.2 and 1.3 - Linux 2.0.x (possibly 2.1.x?) - SunOS 4 - Solaris 2.5 A cache manager (arlad) that works both in user-level mode and with the kernel module. Some simple programs (fs and vos). Programs for acquiring tokens (kauth, afslog) are not included but are part of the kth-krb distribution. 5. What's the status or arla? This is a snapshot and pre-greek letters. ... -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 31 09:25:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26790 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26588 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA23832 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org); Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:24:18 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA04683; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:20:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199803311720.TAA04683@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: humor: Bohemian Rhapsody (Object Oriented) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:20:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: revr@cayennesoft.nl (Rene 'Pepper' de Vries) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bohemian Rhapsody (Object Oriented) Is this the real world? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a LAN-slide No ESC to reality. Open(2) your files, Look after your while()s in C; It's just a cheap toy, but dearer than Symphony(tm) With it's wheezy cough, noisy beep Address clash, little sleep Anything but Windows(tm), Nothing beats class lib'ries to me, To me. Mama, Just killed a RAM Got some static on its pins, Now I don't see the dust bin, Mama, 'Write' had just been run, But now I've got to throw it all away Mama, ooooooh, Didn't mean to make it fry If I've no stack to overflow tomorrow, Carry one, carry one, 'Cause there's nothing like class lib'ries. Too late, My time(2) has come Send lightning down my line Stop my make(1) before it's time Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go, Gotta leave you all behind and read Knuth. Mama, ooooooh, (Anything but Windows(tm)) I don't want to *sigh* I sometimes wish I'd never known Bourne at all. I see a little silhouetto of a man(1), Scaramouche, Scaramouche, Did you run the test script yet? Thunderbolt and lightning, Blowing up my modem, me. Gone away now, Gone away now, Gone away now, Windows(tm) froze. Its worse than crap (oh oh oh oh) It's just a cheap toy, ev'rybody has three It's just a cheap toy from a cheap company Spare us our lives from this monstrosity! Wheezy cough, noisy beep, will you let us sleep? Drink Miller! Will not let you sleep (let us sleep!) Drink Miller! Will not let you sleep (let us sleep!) Drink Miller! Will not let you sleep (let us sleep!) Will not let you sleep (let us sleep!) Will not let you sleep (let us sleep!) GNU, GNU, GNU, GNU, GNU, GNU GNU! Oh Mama mia, mama mia, Mama mia, let us sleep! Be-el-ze-Gates has a widget put beside my tree, My tree, My tree! So you think you can force me to use '95? So you think you can love me and leave me no drives? Oh, baby, Can't do this to me baby, Just gotta c-out, just gotta get write(2) out of here. Nothing beats class lib'ries, Anything in C, Nothing beats class lib'ries, _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 31 18:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18673 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:20:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.ida.net (mail.ida.net [204.228.203.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18614 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from muck@ida.net) Received: from falcon.hinterlands.com (tc-pt1-8.ida.net [208.141.181.17]) by dns.ida.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA09046 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:13:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3521A491.41C67EA6@ida.net> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:21:05 -0700 From: Mike X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD vs Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A couple of days ago, a message was sent with a url that had about twenty opinions about freebsd vs linux. Does anybody have that url? I deleted the message, but I had the site in a Navigator window. Unfortunately, Netscape core dumped on me (a 16 Meg file, but it did free up 33 Megs of swap space). :) Thanks. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 1 23:08:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10990 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:08:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10976; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:08:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-090.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.90]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA14516; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id HAA02495; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:08:27 GMT Message-ID: <19980401230827.35176@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:08:27 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jdp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: JKH is quoted in ";login:", and FBSD gets good press Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org April 1998 ;login: pp. 53-58 "Source Code UNIX for PCs", by Robert Gray He introduces the free UNIXs and builds a case for running them, including why he used them for a custom product over NT. Next month he will address downloading and installing them. He also quotes Jordan's "we have multiple *free* OS's to choose from and yet we are complaining" message. Robert says he is experienced most with FreeBSD. So we get good press (along with CVSup). :) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 2 09:51:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24989 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:51:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mescaline.gnu.org (we-refuse-to-spy-on-our-users@mescaline.gnu.org [158.121.106.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24984 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:51:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: by mescaline.gnu.org (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id MAA27480; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:51:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199804021751.MAA27480@mescaline.gnu.org> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Crimping SCSI cables From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am using an AHA-1542C host adapter. This adapter, I am told, is very sensitive to cabling problems. I need a SCSI cable with all 8 connectors, but haven't seen any in what I would consider a reasonable price range (most are >$80 or so). Does anybody know if I should expect a problem if I crimp my own? Thanks, joelh -- Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 2 09:55:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25584 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:55:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25561 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:55:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (KC0yJL+biYNEYj9mmAglMpSJj71DcNSO@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02408; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:55:28 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (b5l9AJwT9nYm56/MgM9OGGwdGqx8ECit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21290; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:55:26 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199804021755.TAA21290@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crimping SCSI cables Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:55:25 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > I am using an AHA-1542C host adapter. This adapter, I am told, is > very sensitive to cabling problems. I need a SCSI cable with all 8 > connectors, but haven't seen any in what I would consider a reasonable > price range (most are >$80 or so). Does anybody know if I should > expect a problem if I crimp my own? I have done this with my own 1542C, and it worked. You have to do the crimping using a non-impact tool (use a vice not a hammer). I found that by jamming the cable into a door in exactly the right way, you can use the door/doorframe as a great crimping tool :-) PRACTICE FIRST! M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 2 19:47:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10861 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:47:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10819 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:47:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-220.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.220]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19611; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:47:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA15771; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:22:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199804030322.VAA15771@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Crimping SCSI cables In-reply-to: Message from Joel Ray Holveck of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:51:02 EST." <199804021751.MAA27480@mescaline.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:22:03 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joel Ray Holveck writes: > I am using an AHA-1542C host adapter. This adapter, I am told, is > very sensitive to cabling problems. I need a SCSI cable with all 8 > connectors, but haven't seen any in what I would consider a reasonable > price range (most are >$80 or so). Does anybody know if I should > expect a problem if I crimp my own? I have not observed my 1542CF was all that sensitive to cabling. Your 1542C? Not CF? Not "Fast"? Then at 5 MHz SCSI bus speed it would be comparably immune to lots of the nasty stuff that bites others. "Active Termination" cures lots of ills. I make my own cables all the time. Keep meaning to buy the special tool, as even the stamped steel made-in-China $30 cheapie tool works better than a cast iron vice. And its easier to carry around. :-) Use wood blocks in the vice, you don't want the vice's teeth biting into your plastic connector. Generally there is a triangle on the insulation-displacement connector (IDC) indicating where pin 1 is. Triangle goes nearest the red stripe on your cable. Actually it doesn't matter as long as you do the same thing everywhere along the cable. Some IDC connectors have a keying tab in the middle on one side. That's a good thing, look for it when you buy. As long as all your connectors are on the cable right, that tab will/should prevent you from connecting the cable to your devices wrong. I have purchased ribbon cable which was (no longer?) the correct width, it was too narrow. If your cable isn't the right width then the penetrations from the IDC will not straddle the wires. Not only will some connections not make, other wires will short. Spend plenty of time verifying each and every wire in the cable is aligned with the sharp things in the connector. Generally the backing plastic has a grove for each ribbon wire too. The Really Good IDC connectors have an adhesive strip in the plastic backing plate. "Stick" your cable to the backing and get it aligned there first, then the alignment with the sharp metal points goes much easier. Apply a little force to load the connector and cable so they don't move. Then check alignment one last time before clamping down with force. Doesn't it sound awful? All this for $2 connectors and $1/foot cable. Pre-built cables are often $3 to $5 (cheaper than I can buy the parts). The problem is, I can make my own internal SCSI cable that fits exactly, rather than make do with pre-built cables. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 2 21:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17447 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17427 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:04:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt243.wcc.net [208.10.139.243]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25224; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:00:03 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02362; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:04:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:04:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199804030504.XAA02362@detlev.UUCP> To: dkelly@hiwaay.net CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804030322.VAA15771@nospam.hiwaay.net> (message from David Kelly on Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:22:03 -0600) Subject: Re: Crimping SCSI cables From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199804030322.VAA15771@nospam.hiwaay.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I am using an AHA-1542C host adapter. This adapter, I am told, is >> very sensitive to cabling problems. I need a SCSI cable with all 8 >> connectors, but haven't seen any in what I would consider a reasonable >> price range (most are >$80 or so). Does anybody know if I should >> expect a problem if I crimp my own? > I have not observed my 1542CF was all that sensitive to cabling. I haven't noticed a real problem with it, but then I've only used one cable. Again, this is just what I read. (I have noticed it choking rather horribly if there's something wrong with the termination, but that's to be expected.) > Your 1542C? Not CF? Not "Fast"? Then at 5 MHz SCSI bus speed it > would be comparably immune to lots of the nasty stuff that bites > others. I've wondered about this one. The card's bios ID's it as a C, and doesn't mention CF anywhere I could find, but the kernel driver says it reports board ID 0x44, which is CF. (0x43 is the C.) > "Active Termination" cures lots of ills. I've considered that, too. > I make my own cables all the time. Keep meaning to buy the special tool, > as even the stamped steel made-in-China $30 cheapie tool works better > than a cast iron vice. And its easier to carry around. :-) We have the tool at work. I make ribbon cables when I need 'em (which is infrequent, but happens). Problem is, we lost a plastic holder in the tool, so I'm back to the vice. > Some IDC connectors have a keying tab in the middle on one side. That's > a good thing, look for it when you buy. As long as all your connectors > are on the cable right, that tab will/should prevent you from > connecting the cable to your devices wrong. Yes, I bought a cable w/o tabs not long ago. Hooked it up and all, with host adapter, three HDs, tape drive, then 2 cd-roms. Coulda sworn I had ascertained which pin on that tape drive was pin 1. Guess I was wrong. But I have no sense of smell, so I didn't know my cable's shielding was melting away until I started tasting the fumes. I wondered why nothing would ID in the bootup scan. Haven't tested the tape drive yet, but everything else still runs. > Doesn't it sound awful? All this for $2 connectors and $1/foot cable. > Pre-built cables are often $3 to $5 (cheaper than I can buy the parts). > The problem is, I can make my own internal SCSI cable that fits > exactly, rather than make do with pre-built cables. Funny, all the prebuilt 8-connector SCSI cables I could find were custom-built, upwards of $80 or so. AMP has a part for it at $15, but I only need one and they have a 25-piece minimum. Thanks for the info, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 3 01:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29808 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29801 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:11:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id EAA02469 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:08:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:11:49 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Andreesen says Linux-Netscape might unseat MS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You know, he COULD have said FreeBSD/Netscape to unseat MS :) http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980402S0013 Chris -- "I am closed minded. 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Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 3 11:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23846 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:03:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23787; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:03:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03077; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:03:06 +0200 (CEST) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: error when compiling kernel with SOFTUPDATES In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:54:13 -0800." <199804031854.KAA28895@kithrup.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:03:06 +0200 Message-ID: <3075.891630186@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean, Apart from the fact that I'm currently laughing my throat sore over your bruised ego and your sour emails, I'm not going to further participate in this flame-fest. I'm working seriously at trying to improve FreeBSD, and if you have nothing more productive to do that what you're doing now, well, why don't you join Linux then ? That way you would benefit FreeBSD more than you do now. Over and out... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 3 13:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10594 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.rih.org (mail.rih.org [168.229.204.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10547 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:51:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Postmaster@mail.rih.org) Message-Id: <199804032151.NAA10547@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from mail.rih.org by mail.rih.org (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0.1) id 25069 via NDR; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:57:02 -0500 From: "Postmaster" Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:56:59 -0500 Subject: Non-Delivery Report To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could not deliver message (ID=25053). 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The first portion of the original message text follows: ------------------------------------------------------- Received: from hub.freebsd.org by mail.rih.org (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0.1) id 25053 via TCP with SMTP; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:56:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22197; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:15 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22147 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22142 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28895; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:13 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199804031854.KAA28895@kithrup.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: error when compiling kernel with SOFTUPDATES In-Reply-To: <2912.891628822.kithrup.freebsd.current@critter.freebsd.dk> References: Your message of "Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:23:11 -0800." <199804031823.KAA25869@kithrup.com> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <2912.891628822.kithrup.freebsd.current@critter.freebsd.dk> PHK writes: >>In article <1291.891594980.kithrup.freebsd.current@critter.freebsd.dk> PHK wr >>ites: >>>I don't need an excuse for saying "no". >> >>That's right. Whatever PHK does is right, and if anyone objects, they're >>wrong. > >1. No > >2. but they had better have their arguments lined up and in order > >3. As you well know. Pay attention: If you disagree with PHK, and tell him so, he will ignore you. If you say you think it should be done a better way, he will say "no." And nothing more. As he himself says: "I don't need an excuse for saying 'no'." And his justification for his behaviour is "I'm on core, and you're not, so you have to do what I say." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 4 09:52:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19206 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic44.pm08.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19113 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:51:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA28347; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:51:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980404095122.05523@mooseriver.com> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:51:22 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Angel Behar Rodriguez Cc: mp@ka.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I HATE FREEBSD (fwd) Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: ; from Angel Behar Rodriguez on Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 10:08:17AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 10:08:17AM -0700, Angel Behar Rodriguez wrote: > > > Your mail only probes your ignorance!!!! > > Better be quiet and start study!! > > > > > Your OS stinks. I dont even consider it a OS, jsut a messed up dos wannabe. > > How do you get to the stupid OS anyways. All I could get to was BOOT: > >Then what do you put. Also it wouldnt let me into WIN95 or DOS. I had > >to call NEC technical support and they told me to repartion the Hard > >Drive. Then I had to run my product recovery cd where it formated the > >hard drive and brought it back to the original settings. I lost > >everything I had saved and got off the net. Thanks alot. I am going to > >put up your freebsd on my site, but put a sucks across it. I'll spread > >the word about how BSD sucks. > > This has been moved to chat. As my Grandfather used to say, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool that to open your mouth and remove all doubt". A word to the wise should be sufficient. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.5 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 4 11:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28748 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:12:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28728 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:12:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tjprimeau@sprint.ca) Received: from prime (spc-isp-ham-uas-04-4.sprint.ca [209.103.21.155]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17014 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:11:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002c01bd5ffd$9f3b7340$0100a8c0@prime.evil> From: "T.J." To: Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:12:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 2406dc7e subscribe freebsd-chat tjprimeau@sprint.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 4 15:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21201 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:21:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21190 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00807 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:21:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199804042321.PAA00807@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: http://www.freebsd.org ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:21:20 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone with a contact at mozilla.org please have alink added to http://www.freebsd.org in place of the text "Free BSD". This is web page which mentions FreeBSD. http://www.mozilla.org/331-thanks.html Tnks, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 4 21:37:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26299 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:37:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26273 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:37:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09673; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 00:32:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 00:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek To: Josef Grosch cc: mp@ka.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I HATE FREEBSD (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19980404095122.05523@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Josef Grosch wrote: > > >to call NEC technical support and they told me to repartion the Hard > > >Drive. Then I had to run my product recovery cd where it formated the Hehe. They [NEC tech support] may just possibly have known better, too, but after having that attitude shoved at them, I can't say I blame them if they did. ;-) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message