From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 02:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06756 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.globalserve.net (smtp1.globalserve.net [209.90.144.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06751 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@globalserve.net) Received: from globalserve.net (dialin602.toronto.globalserve.net [209.90.132.93]) by smtp1.globalserve.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20924 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:45:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from geoffr@globalserve.net) Message-ID: <36207BC3.4FDB1A81@globalserve.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:34:59 -0400 From: Geoffrey Robinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > As a quick check, how many people here are between the ages of 16-20, > > > 20-25, or 25+? > > 25+ ==20 --- Geoffrey Robinson geoffr@globalserve.net Oakville, Ontario, Canada. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 03:24:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA10572 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 03:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10564 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 03:24:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex_james@bigfoot.com) Received: from pelican.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.200.26]) by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zSIg2-0007RN-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:24:38 +0100 Received: from stue095.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.224.149] helo=stue095) by pelican.ukc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for chat@freebsd.org id 0zSIfs-0002Bs-00; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:24:28 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Alex Moore" To: Subject: RE: age check :) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:24:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bdf501$5212ad10$95e00c81@stue095.ukc.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36207BC3.4FDB1A81@globalserve.net> Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Alex Moore" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > As a quick check, how many people here are between the ages of 16-20, > > > 20-25, or 25+? 16-20 here. I'm 19. -Alex Moore mailto:alex_james@bigfoot.com http://ajdesign.hypermart.net ICQ:7616705 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 11:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17999 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-27.airnet.net [207.242.81.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17982 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01398 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:40:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Message-ID: <362036D2.590D8A51@airnet.net> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:40:50 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Perry wrote: > > > > > > As a quick check, how many people here are between the ages of 16-20, > > > 20-25, or 25+? 16-20, 19. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 11:26:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20957 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20928 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 18010 invoked by uid 1003); 11 Oct 1998 18:26:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19981011202621.A16321@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:26:21 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Tim Vanderhoek , Nicholas Charles Brawn Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) References: <19981009200951.60385@welearn.com.au> <19981010133249.B21109@mrmell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981010133249.B21109@mrmell>; from Tim Vanderhoek on Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 01:32:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat 1998-10-10 (13:32), Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > If you happen to be at university, try comparing the ratio of > fourth&fifth years running-Linux:running-FreeBSD to the ratio of first > years running-Linux:running-FreeBSD. > > That'll probably give you a more accurate answer. Probably a little > more satisfying answer, too. :) That definately doesn't work at my university, since the Honours and above people seem pretty dedicated to Linux, which is what they really first got interested in. I've managed to convert an Honours student, and a third year student (the only one who used Linux), and a few of my fellow second years, and most of the first-years that use Linux. Of course, most of them use the student server, which runs FreeBSD, and has quite a history (if anyone remember Geoff Rehmet from 386BSD-conversion days...) and about 550 user accounts, with an average of 40 people logged on during the day, so convincing them that FreeBSD will do the job has been quite easy. :) As an example, we had a Linux machine hosting a Practical Marking System server, which the CS1s (over 120 at a time) would look at through their browsers, and it would run CGIs in the background querying databases, and similar fun things, running on similar hardware, fall over after the first few minutes. The system was moved to the FreeBSD system, which handled it fine, and had, in addition, about 30 people logged on at the time. (This was a stupid test in the beginning, because the person who designed the system never asked the resident webmaster-type-thing (me) on how best to handle the system, and didn't use mod_perl, and similar fun things on either machine.) Of course, I'm sure there are tons of valid reasons why the Linux machine could have fallen over without insulting the operating system itself, but it did manage to convince people that FreeBSD was more stable. Anyway, after all that, I'm 20 and 2 weeks or so. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 12:28:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28097 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:28:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28052 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22693; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:27:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA09937; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:27:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981011212732.18503@follo.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:27:32 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Nicholas Charles Brawn , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Nicholas Charles Brawn on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 07:46:24PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 07:46:24PM +1000, Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: > After seeing a recent article on slashdot, about a new game that's being > ported to Linux (http://www.linuxpower.org/display_item.phtml?id=65), I > was curious at the demographics of the FreeBSD userbase, and whether > we'd have enuf young 'uns to justify a port of similar games in the > future. Plus, it's interesting to know. :) > > As a quick check, how many people here are between the ages of 16-20, > 20-25, or 25+? 24. Not that I can see it that it should matter. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 13:10:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01110 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beef.cybertouch.org (h24-64-136-88.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.136.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01105 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:10:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beef@cybertouch.org) Received: from cybertouch.org (beef@beef.cybertouch.org [24.64.136.88]) by beef.cybertouch.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18825; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:08:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from beef@cybertouch.org) Message-ID: <36211035.A5E91620@cybertouch.org> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:08:21 -0400 From: Lanny Baron X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kirby CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) References: <362036D2.590D8A51@airnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby wrote: > > Andrew Perry wrote: > > > > > > > > > As a quick check, how many people here are between the ages of 16-20, > > > > 20-25, or 25+? > > 16-20, 19. > -- > Kris Kirby > UAH Mail UAH CS > Home WWW > ------------------------------------------- > TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. 40 here....1958 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 14:05:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07467 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07444 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00419; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:05:30 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:05:29 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > I am as old as the sands of time and I play DESCENT. > > Did you know that Parallax released DESCENT source code? Yep! It's > supposedly requires a watcom(?) assembly compiler or something. If I get > really ambitious I may look at it. DESCENT on FreeBSD. The idea of it sounds way too cool! -- Jonathan Chen Once is dumb luck. Twice is coincidence. Three times and Somebody Is Trying To Tell You Something. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 16:55:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07640 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07616 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (root@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA37834; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:54:58 -0700 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA19417; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:54:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Jonathan Chen cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Jonathan Chen wrote: >On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >> I am as old as the sands of time and I play DESCENT. >> >> Did you know that Parallax released DESCENT source code? Yep! It's >> supposedly requires a watcom(?) assembly compiler or something. If I get >> really ambitious I may look at it. > >DESCENT on FreeBSD. > >The idea of it sounds way too cool! After thinking about I started reformatting the source code and revamping Makefiles. What the hell is "masm" anyway? :) Who ever heard of wcc386? :) If it builds ok. We will see.... I have "Porting Unix Software". In any case I will learn more about my system. One of the things that will have to be worked out is the DOS4GW protected mode wathyamajigger and handling SVGA doohickey. I guess linux has an SVGA lib which might be used. Either that or the game would have to be ported to X to grab the root window. I really don't know what I am getting into, but what they hey. It's my system and my hobby. It should be fun. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ | 206-633-5994 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 18:20:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17046 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (host-e186.tidalwave.net [208.213.203.186] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16947 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net) Received: (from lee@localhost) by st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) id VAA16616; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:18:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19981011211848.A15445@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:18:48 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: "Jason C. Wells" , Jonathan Chen Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Porting Descent (was: Re: age check :) ) Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 04:54:47PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 04:54:47PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Jonathan Chen wrote: > I have "Porting Unix Software". In any case I will learn more about my > system. One of the things that will have to be worked out is the DOS4GW > protected mode wathyamajigger and handling SVGA doohickey. I guess linux > has an SVGA lib which might be used. Either that or the game would have to > be ported to X to grab the root window. For FreeBSD, you could use libvgl...IIRC, Descent never used anything more sophisticated than 320x200x256, which is a VGA standard mode (libvgl only does standard VGA modes). -- Lee Cremeans -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet and WTnet) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | mailto:lcremean@tidalwave.net http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net | Powered by FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 11 20:00:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24480 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cannon.ecf.utoronto.ca (cannon.ecf.utoronto.ca [128.100.8.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24472 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca) Received: from localhost by cannon.ecf.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <12939>; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:00:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:00:33 -0400 From: VANDERHOEK TIMOTHY MICHAEL X-Sender: vanderh@spark14.ecf To: Neil Blakey-Milner cc: Tim Vanderhoek , Nicholas Charles Brawn , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) In-Reply-To: <19981011202621.A16321@rucus.ru.ac.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > Of course, most of them use the student server, which runs FreeBSD, and has > quite a history (if anyone remember Geoff Rehmet from 386BSD-conversion Our servers run a mix of Irix and SunOS and some other stuff to boot. No Linux or FreeBSD. Regardless, I honestly can't see where people like are coming from. When I mention FreeBSD to a f!rosh, the reaction ranges from curiousity to "Oh, I need to try that because Linux didn't support my hardware" to "I've heard that's better, isn't it?". Third and fourth years are a different kettle of fish, though, but I think that's only because when they chose an OS 2/3 years ago, FreeBSD had like zilch publicity. That's different, now, but it will take a while for that difference to sort its way through the known universe. It occurred to me earlier today that OS/2 probably has more name recognition than Linux, too. -- Me. Who'd you think sent this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 12 00:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18292 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ridge.spiritone.com (ridge.spiritone.com [205.139.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18286 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dionn@spiritone.com) Received: from spiritone.com (us4a-39.spiritone.com [206.98.120.39]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06333; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3621AF1D.CF30F8BD@spiritone.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:26:21 -0700 From: Haze Organization: Organized? Me? Ha! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lcremean@tidalwave.net CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Porting Descent (was: Re: age check :) ) References: <19981011211848.A15445@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Oct-98 @ 1:18:48, Lee Cremeans wrote: > On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 04:54:47PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Jonathan Chen wrote: > > I have "Porting Unix Software". In any case I will learn more about my > > system. One of the things that will have to be worked out is the DOS4GW > > protected mode wathyamajigger and handling SVGA doohickey. I guess linux > > has an SVGA lib which might be used. Either that or the game would have to > > be ported to X to grab the root window. > > For FreeBSD, you could use libvgl...IIRC, Descent never used anything more > sophisticated than 320x200x256, which is a VGA standard mode (libvgl only > does standard VGA modes). IIRC, a more recent version of Descent ran in 640x400x256, or was that Descent 2? An X version (like XDoom) would be better IMO, I like being able to go kill shaved gorillas while keeping an eye on something doing a mundane task. It's also nice because I can easily hide it if the boss comes along to ask me to do something really outrageous (like work). Mind you, I have no idea what programming in X is like. -- Knowledge is the perception of truth distorted by reality PGP Key: www.spiritone.com/~dionn/pgpkey Fingerprint: 312E F076 35D0 8EEB 4B2A DC8A 04FC 1543 3B2C 0502 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 12 16:00:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04495 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from funbox.demon.co.uk (funbox.demon.co.uk [158.152.85.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04476 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dev.null@funbox.demon.co.uk) From: dev.null@funbox.demon.co.uk Received: by funbox.demon.co.uk (mail 1.50) id tim.36207DEB.00.1A70; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:44:11 +0000 Message-ID: To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:41:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: age check :) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 47, grey-haired, and an 11 month old son. -- Tim Jackson London, England. ________________________________________________________________________ Please reply to t j @ f u n b o x . d e m o n . c o . u k To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 12 16:12:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06542 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rdc.cl (mailnet2.rdc.cl [200.27.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06530 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gollum@rdc.cl) Received: from wingate (dialusr-171.rdc.cl [200.27.4.181]) by rdc.cl (8.8.7/8.8.5-obm-seg) with SMTP id VAA27461 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:12:10 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981012230939.0079e620@rdc.cl> X-Sender: gollum@rdc.cl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:09:39 -0400 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Anders Subject: Re: age check :) In-Reply-To: <36207BC3.4FDB1A81@globalserve.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:34 AM 10/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >> > > As a quick check, how many people here are between the ages of 16-20, >> > > 20-25, or 25+? >> >> 25+ > 16 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 12 16:33:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10666 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cc.duq.edu (mail.cc.duq.edu [165.190.8.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10622 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skillet@nauticom.net) Received: from mvs ([209.57.168.200]) by mail.cc.duq.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20622 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005801bdf637$e472b9c0$02000001@mvs> From: "Mike Skultety" To: Subject: Re: age check :) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:26:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 21 year old who likes to drink some dew and buds while working on bsd all night and everynight :) I sleep maybe 2 to 3 hours a night then go to work :) g0d when did I become this geek I am :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 12 18:25:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27628 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:25:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27604 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA21127; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:55:15 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA02763; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:54:52 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981013105451.T21983@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:54:51 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Karl Pielorz , Jim Shankland Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: ATX boards and restart after power failure References: <199810121950.MAA15990@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Karl Pielorz on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 09:08:18PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [following up to -chat] On Monday, 12 October 1998 at 21:08:18 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Jim Shankland wrote: > >> We have been building systems based on the Tyan S1572 motherboard >> (ATX form factor, TX chipset). It turns out that when there's a >> power failure, these systems stay down when power returns until >> a human or other mammal presses the soft power-on button on the >> front. > > ;-) Mammal... Why don't you get your FreeBSD daemon to do it? (Here > Chuck... Chuck? ) The BSD Dæmon's not a mammal, it's a reptile. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 12 20:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13869 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13863 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from struct. (poppy19.verinet.com [199.45.181.147]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA26811; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:12:17 -0600 Received: from verinet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by struct. (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11749; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Message-ID: <3622C4D9.2FB23ABC@verinet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:11:21 -0600 From: Allen Campbell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: grog@lemis.com CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Chuck's nature (Was: ATX boards and restart after power failure) References: <199810121950.MAA15990@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> <19981013105451.T21983@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > > [following up to -chat] > > On Monday, 12 October 1998 at 21:08:18 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > > On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Jim Shankland wrote: > > > >> We have been building systems based on the Tyan S1572 motherboard > >> (ATX form factor, TX chipset). It turns out that when there's a > >> power failure, these systems stay down when power returns until > >> a human or other mammal presses the soft power-on button on the > >> front. > > > > ;-) Mammal... Why don't you get your FreeBSD daemon to do it? (Here > > Chuck... Chuck? ) > > The BSD Dæmon's not a mammal, it's a reptile. > > Greg A cold blooded daemon? -- Allen Campbell | Lurking at the bottom of the allenc@verinet.com | gravity well, getting old. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 00:26:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13653 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13644 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JBIFJMEJ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 07:26:18 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981013092122.00934a30@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:21:22 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Shouting in the lists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just in case anyone was wondering; The person who's been critizised the last few days for shouting in the mailing lists, is apparently affiliated with Juno; they've been known to do extensive spamming of people subscribed to mailing lists, afaik. Marius, who is not subscribed to -chat. ... dead girls don't say no ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 01:22:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20370 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20365 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17100; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:22:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <36230D7D.8788D80D@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:21:17 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Daemon References: <199810121950.MAA15990@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> <19981013105451.T21983@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > > ;-) Mammal... Why don't you get your FreeBSD daemon to do it? (Here > > Chuck... Chuck? ) > > The BSD Dæmon's not a mammal, it's a reptile. Hmmm... I would say "Valid point", but to be honest - I've no idea what it _really_ is... ;-) All I know is my deamon doesn't die with junk pointers if I swap him around a lot... (Ugh... :-) Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 08:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04895 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-ord-2.pilot.net (mail-ord-2.pilot.net [205.243.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04881; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org) Received: from unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org ([204.48.31.162]) by mail-ord-2.pilot.net (Pilot/) with ESMTP id KAA27771; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:26:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ama-assn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org with SMTP id KAA24920; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:26:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org id AA13942 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0); Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:25:26 -0500 Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:25:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:22:14 -0500 From: John Sconiers To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Metro-X -vs Accelerated-X Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am thinking of investing in a commercial x-windows display server. Has anyone tried out Metro-x and accelerated-x and how do they stack up against each other. Is it even worth buying a commercial x-server or should I stay with Xfree86. JOHN Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 10:30:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20764 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from PeeCee.tbe.com (firewallx.tbe.com [192.88.94.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20758 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@PeeCee.tbe.com) Received: from PeeCee.tbe.com (localhost.tbe.com [127.0.0.1]) by PeeCee.tbe.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA16279 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:30:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@PeeCee.tbe.com) Message-Id: <199810131730.MAA16279@PeeCee.tbe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "Intel Inside" Warning From: David Kelly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:30:27 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Found this at http://www.MacKiDo.com/Quotes/Industry.html: > Excerpt from new OSHA regulation on computer systems: "....if said > motherboard is equipped with an Intel central processing unit, an > appropriate warning label bearing the words 'Intel Inside' shall be > permanently affixed to the case in a prominent location." > - Bruce Murphy Looks like something that belongs in /usr/share/games/fortune/ :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nebula.tbe.com ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 12:36:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07074 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07067; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul10.u.washington.edu (root@saul10.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.73]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA22632; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:36:16 -0700 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul10.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id MAA03207; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: John Sconiers cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Metro-X -vs Accelerated-X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, John Sconiers wrote: >I am thinking of investing in a commercial x-windows display server. >Has anyone tried out Metro-x and accelerated-x and how do they stack up >against each other. Is it even worth buying a commercial x-server or >should I stay with Xfree86. The only reason I can think of to use commercial X is to get support for a new video card or to get multiheaded servers. There are accelerated servers in XFree86. OBTW, Multiheading will be coming to XFree86 with version 4.0. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 12:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09311 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09280; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from olvaldi.ifi.uio.no (2602@olvaldi.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.43]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id VAA25984; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:47:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by olvaldi.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:47:57 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help References: <007301bdf702$54bf7270$f4d36ac2@angel.baku.az> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 Oct 1998 21:47:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Farid F. Kourbanov"'s message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:36:39 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA09305 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Farid F. Kourbanov" writes: > HELP I need somebody, "Farid F. Kourbanov" writes: > HELP Not just anybody, "Farid F. Kourbanov" writes: > HELP You know I need someone, Wooo-hoo! McDES (I know. I'm too tired.) -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 13:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12696 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-ord-2.pilot.net (mail-ord-2.pilot.net [205.243.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12672; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org) Received: from unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org ([204.48.31.162]) by mail-ord-2.pilot.net (Pilot/) with ESMTP id PAA28856; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:04:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ama-assn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org with SMTP id PAA07721; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:04:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org id AA26255 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0); Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:03:54 -0500 Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:03:54 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:00:38 -0500 From: John Sconiers To: John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org, jcwells@u.washington.edu Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Metro-X -vs Accelerated-X Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II >>> "Jason C. Wells" 10/13 2:36 PM >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, John Sconiers wrote: >I am thinking of investing in a commercial x-windows display server. >Has anyone tried out Metro-x and accelerated-x and how do they stack up >against each other. Is it even worth buying a commercial x-server or >should I stay with Xfree86. The only reason I can think of to use commercial X is to get support for a new video card or to get multiheaded servers. There are accelerated servers in XFree86. OBTW, Multiheading will be coming to XFree86 with version 4.0. ------------------------------------------------------------------ I was told the commercial X servers would be faster with better display. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 13:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12942 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12891 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul9.u.washington.edu (root@saul9.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.7]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA28958; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:05:44 -0700 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul9.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA10586; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: "Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA12895 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13 Oct 1998, Dag-Erling C. [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: >"Farid F. Kourbanov" writes: >> HELP > >I need somebody, Clever. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 13:57:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21892 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21873; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA10139; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:56:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prn-nj2-19.ix.netcom.com(199.183.207.83) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010114; Tue Oct 13 15:56:12 1998 Message-ID: <3623E7CA.2676@echidna.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:52:42 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" CC: John Sconiers , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Metro-X -vs Accelerated-X References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, John Sconiers wrote: > > >I am thinking of investing in a commercial x-windows display server. > >Has anyone tried out Metro-x and accelerated-x and how do they stack up > >against each other. Is it even worth buying a commercial x-server or > >should I stay with Xfree86. > > The only reason I can think of to use commercial X is to get support for a > new video card or to get multiheaded servers. There are accelerated > servers in XFree86. > > OBTW, Multiheading will be coming to XFree86 with version 4.0. I was told the following by a vendor of FreeBSD-equipped systems; I don't know how true it is, and I may not be reporting the story quite accurately: That there are relatively few chipsets in relation to the many vendors of video cards, and so much of the difference hangs on proprietary features coded into the cards, etc. To fully exploit the capabilities of some cards may require information only obtainable by the signing of non-disclosure agreements, etc., and by accepting restrictions on the form of distribution. As a result, XFree86 drivers may not be able to realize the full potential of cards, while commercial drivers like AcceleratedX can. What difference this makes in practice, I would be interested to know. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 14:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22694 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:01:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.tds.edu (zeus.tds.edu [38.149.131.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22628; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from willow@tds.edu) Received: from zeus.tds.edu (willow@zeus.tds.edu [38.149.131.15]) by zeus.tds.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA05713; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:00:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Willow To: John Sconiers cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Metro-X -vs Accelerated-X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I invested in Accelerated-X from XIG, it works great, and at $100 dollars it was well worth it. They have multi-headed support, open gl, and motif for FreeBSD also. -- willow@tds.edu -- On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, John Sconiers wrote: > I am thinking of investing in a commercial x-windows display server. > Has anyone tried out Metro-x and accelerated-x and how do they stack > up against each other. Is it even worth buying a commercial x-server > or should I stay with Xfree86. > > JOHN > > Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 13 15:01:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05953 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05917; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id AAA11065; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:01:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:01:03 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Graeme Tait Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , John Sconiers , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Metro-X -vs Accelerated-X References: <3623E7CA.2676@echidna.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 14 Oct 1998 00:01:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: Graeme Tait's message of "Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:52:42 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id PAA05920 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Graeme Tait writes: > I was told the following by a vendor of FreeBSD-equipped systems; I > don't know how true it is, and I may not be reporting the story > quite accurately: That there are relatively few chipsets in relation > to the many vendors of video cards, and so much of the difference > hangs on proprietary features coded into the cards, etc. That is a gross exaggeration (though I hesitate to call it a lie). With modern manufacturing methods being what they are, the chips are so integrated most video cards basically consist of just two chips (not counting the RAM and BIOS PROM): the graphics processor and the RAMDAC. There's not room for much customization since the graphics processor usually also contains the bus interface. The only thing XFree86 needs to know to work is the brand, model and revision of the graphics processor (so it can map in the video memory and use the accelerator functions), and the brand, model and revision of the RAMDAC (so it can program the resolution and color depth). The problem is with manufacturers refusing to release programming information for their new chips. Usually, the information always surfaces after a year or two, but free software lags behind because a) it can't afford to buy that information the moment the chip hits the market and b) distributing source code based on information under NDA is a violation of that NDA... DES (IANAL; correct me if I'm wrong) -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 00:27:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24515 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24505 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id AAA00142 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981014002636.A29916@best.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:26:36 -0700 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Clear case enclosures for laptops? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Anyone know if it possible to find clear case enclosures for laptops? I just saw one for palm pilot at: http://www2.viaweb.com/pilotgear/ulcoolpgex.html -- Yan (always trying to make his laptop look cool) I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 00:33:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25132 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atl.bellsouth.net (mail.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25125 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from remote.my.domain (root@host-209-214-77-131.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.77.131]) by mail.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01767; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.atl.bellsouth.net (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by remote.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03309; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810140733.DAA03309@remote.my.domain> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: joel@OARcorp.com, wghicks@remote.my.domain Subject: FreeBSD really gets around! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:33:55 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yippee! Here is an interesting message from the crossgcc list today. We'll be providing an RTEMS compatible FreeBSD crossm68k port upgrade ASAP. Other targets as we get hardware and time... Many thanks to Eric, Joel and the other RTEMS contributors! Cheers, Jerry Hicks jerry.hicks@glenayre.com ----------------------------------- From: joel@OARcorp.com Subject: Re: RTEMS with IP stack. > Is there a estimated release date for RTEMS with a TCP/UDP/IP stack ? Yes. Nov 1. > I read a document dated January 1998 that it was close. It has been a LONG year. Earlier this year, RTEMS was including a port of the KA9Q TCP/IP stack. There were questions regarding its performance and licensing. Along the way Eric Norum ported the FreeBSD stack to RTEMS. Based on concerns that releasing an RTEMS with the KA9Q stack would cause transition problems, we held the release. There are a number of other significant additions since 3.6.0 including: + addition of the FreeBSD TCP/IP stack ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + configuration via GNU autoconf + POSIX threads and real-time extensions + C++ Binding for Classic API + new Board Support Packages: - self booting pc386 BSP - psim (for free PowerPC 60x simulator) - helas403 (PowerPC 403) - ods68302 - bare BSP + port to the Hitachi SH + better integration with the GNU tools + support for more hosts including CygWin32 and FreeBSD. ^^^^^^^ + GNAT/RTEMS (native Ada tasking with RTEMS) + More manuals - Getting Started with RTEMS - Getting Started with GNAT/RTEMS - RTEMS Network Supplement 4.0 is the first release which has not been done as part of the Army funded R&D effort. This release has primarily been volunteer effort -- including most of the time I have invested in it. This transition has been and continues to be painful. In spite of what some think, OAR is not getting rich from RTEMS. All RTEMS income invested back in RTEMS. The release schedule simply reflects that: + a number of significant submissions have been made, + most of the submissions were from volunteers, and + perfectionism seems to be a trait of RTEMS users and submitters. > What are the current issues stalling the networking release of RTEMS. None at this time. --joel Joel Sherrill Director of Research & Development joel@OARcorp.com On-Line Applications Research Ask me about RTEMS: a free RTOS Huntsville AL 35805 Support Available (256) 722-9985 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 01:06:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26972 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:06:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26967 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTLwU-0004qh-00; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:05:58 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA01595; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:05:54 +0100 Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03081; Wed, 14 Oct 98 09:05:37 BST Message-Id: <36245B4C.6EC8654B@uk.radan.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:05:32 +0100 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Intel Inside" Warning References: <199810131730.MAA16279@PeeCee.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly wrote: > > Found this at http://www.MacKiDo.com/Quotes/Industry.html: > > > Excerpt from new OSHA regulation on computer systems: "....if said > > motherboard is equipped with an Intel central processing unit, an > > appropriate warning label bearing the words 'Intel Inside' shall be > > permanently affixed to the case in a prominent location." > > - Bruce Murphy > [snip] Excellent Web site. I took a look and found this one: In an announcement that has stunned the computer industry, Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and Brian Kernighan admitted that the Unix operating system and C programming language created by them is an elaborate April Fools prank kept alive for over 20 years. Speaking at the recent UnixWorld Software Development Forum, Thompson revealed the following: "In 1969, AT&T had just terminated their work with the GE/Honeywell/AT&T Multics project. Brian and I had just started working with an early release of Pascal from Professor Nichlaus Wirth's ETH labs in Switzerland and we were impressed with its elegant simplicity and power. Dennis had just finished reading 'Bored of the Rings', a hilarious National Lampoon parody of the great Tolkien 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy. As a lark, we decided to do parodies of the Multics environment and Pascal. Dennis and I were responsible for the operating environment. We looked at Multics and designed the new system to be as complex and cryptic as possible to maximize casual users' frustration levels, calling it Unix as a parody of Multics, as well as other more risque allusions. Then Dennis and Brian worked on a truly warped version of Pascal, called 'A'. When we found others were actually trying to create real programs with A, we quickly added additional cryptic features and evolved into B, BCPL and finally C. We stopped when we got a clean compile on the following syntax: for(;P("\n"),R-;P("|"))for(e=C;e-;P("_"+(*u++/8)%2))P("| "+(*u/4)%2); To think that modern programmers would try to use a language that allowed such a statement was beyond our comprehension! We actually thought of selling this to the Soviets to set their computer science progress back 20 or more years. Imagine our surprise when AT&T and other US corporations actually began trying to use Unix and C! It has taken them 20 years to develop enough expertise to generate even marginally useful applications using this 1960's technological parody, but we are impressed with the tenacity (if not common sense) of the general Unix and C programmer. In any event, Brian, Dennis and I have been working exclusively in Pascal on the Apple Macintosh for the past few years and feel really guilty about the chaos, confusion and truly bad programming that have resulted from our silly prank so long ago." Major Unix and C vendors and customers, including AT&T, Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard, GTE, NCR, and DEC have refused comment at this time. -- When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 05:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18826 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oar3remote.oarcorp.com (remote1.oarcorp.com [208.166.120.97] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18821 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel@OARcorp.com) From: joel@OARcorp.com Received: from localhost (joel@localhost) by oar3remote.oarcorp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA15757; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:44:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:44:27 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: joel@OARcorp.com To: W Gerald Hicks cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@remote.my.domain Subject: Re: FreeBSD really gets around! In-Reply-To: <199810140733.DAA03309@remote.my.domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > > Yippee! Here is an interesting message from the crossgcc list today. > > We'll be providing an RTEMS compatible FreeBSD crossm68k port upgrade ASAP. > Other targets as we get hardware and time... > > Many thanks to Eric, Joel and the other RTEMS contributors! 4.0 contains a port of the FreeBSD stack by Eric Norum. He did the development on a 68360 target so the m68k has been tested. Others have tested the stack on a PC (WD8003), i386ex (Intel 82596), ColdFire (don't remember), and a PowerPC (Sonic). The performance of the stack is impressive with Eric's 25 Mhz 68360 reporting 1000 Mbytes/sec transmit and receive rates using the ttcp benchmark. This is 3-5x faster than the KA9Q stack could do. FreeBSD is also now a supported development host and a target OS for the "UNIX port" of RTEMS. The UNIX port of RTEMS lets you test RTEMS applications running as native processes under UNIX. Real hardware is virtualized so UNIX signals are interrupts, alarm generates the clock tick, setjmp is used for context switches, etc. There are some things which can not be used in this mode but given a volunteer those could be fixed. I should also mention that Wes Peters mentions RTEMS in next month's edition of the online ezine Daemon News (http://www.daemonnews.org). --joel Joel Sherrill Director of Research & Development joel@OARcorp.com On-Line Applications Research Ask me about RTEMS: a free RTOS Huntsville AL 35805 Support Available (256) 722-9985 > Cheers, > > Jerry Hicks > jerry.hicks@glenayre.com > > ----------------------------------- > > From: joel@OARcorp.com > Subject: Re: RTEMS with IP stack. > > > Is there a estimated release date for RTEMS with a TCP/UDP/IP stack ? > > Yes. Nov 1. > > > I read a document dated January 1998 that it was close. > > It has been a LONG year. Earlier this year, RTEMS was including a port of > the KA9Q TCP/IP stack. There were questions regarding its performance > and licensing. Along the way Eric Norum ported the FreeBSD stack to > RTEMS. Based on concerns that releasing an RTEMS with the KA9Q stack > would cause transition problems, we held the release. > > There are a number of other significant additions since 3.6.0 including: > > + addition of the FreeBSD TCP/IP stack > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > + configuration via GNU autoconf > + POSIX threads and real-time extensions > + C++ Binding for Classic API > + new Board Support Packages: > - self booting pc386 BSP > - psim (for free PowerPC 60x simulator) > - helas403 (PowerPC 403) > - ods68302 > - bare BSP > + port to the Hitachi SH > + better integration with the GNU tools > + support for more hosts including CygWin32 and FreeBSD. > ^^^^^^^ > + GNAT/RTEMS (native Ada tasking with RTEMS) > + More manuals > - Getting Started with RTEMS > - Getting Started with GNAT/RTEMS > - RTEMS Network Supplement > > 4.0 is the first release which has not been done as part of the Army > funded R&D effort. This release has primarily been volunteer effort -- > including most of the time I have invested in it. This transition has > been and continues to be painful. > > In spite of what some think, OAR is not getting rich from RTEMS. All > RTEMS income invested back in RTEMS. The release schedule simply reflects > that: > > + a number of significant submissions have been made, > + most of the submissions were from volunteers, and > + perfectionism seems to be a trait of RTEMS users and submitters. > > > What are the current issues stalling the networking release of RTEMS. > > None at this time. > > --joel > Joel Sherrill Director of Research & Development > joel@OARcorp.com On-Line Applications Research > Ask me about RTEMS: a free RTOS Huntsville AL 35805 > Support Available (256) 722-9985 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 12:29:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12579 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12568 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zTWbm-0002J6-00; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:29:18 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA16453 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810141929.NAA16453@harmony.village.org> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Skip Carter: Libretto/OS survey Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:29:31 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI. This was the result of a survey in a libretto mailing list that I'm on. 1/2 of all the librettos in this survey ran FreeBSD! While the numbers look very skewed, this is from a list that has more traffic on Win95 and Linux than anything else. Warner ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:53:35 -0700 From: Skip Carter Subject: Libretto/OS survey Hi everyone, Well here are the initial results of my survey of what OS people run on what version Libretto. I know that the sample was biased but I was surprized to see the number of systems running multiple OSs on the Libretto. And it would seem that the answer to the question that started the survey in the first place is that no one is running NT 5.0 on a Libretto. OS Japanese L20 Japanese L60 50 70 100 Win95 3 2 Win98 1 1 WinNT 4.0 1 MSDOS 6.22 1 FreeDOS 1 FreeBSD 1 1 8 Linux 3 1 2 BSD/OS 1 Plan 9 1 Total number of responses: 20 The sum of all the numbers in the above table are greater than the total responses because of the number of multiOS systems ( 5 ) Most common responses to questions: What is good about the Libretto: the size What is bad about the Libretto: the size What is good about the OS: ability to run REAL apps (as opposed to WinCE -- an interesting common theme for ALL OS users!) What is bad about the OS: lack of driver support I have created a Web page for the Libretto http://www.taygeta.com/libretto.html The page is under construction, but it has a Web form for adding to the survey if you haven't already done so. Skip Everett (Skip) Carter Phone: 831-641-0645 FAX: 831-641-0647 Taygeta Scientific Inc. INTERNET: skip@taygeta.com 1340 Munras Ave., Suite 314 UUCP: ...!uunet!taygeta!skip Monterey, CA. 93940 WWW: http://www.taygeta.com/skip.html ************************************************************** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/archives/libretto/ - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ -------UNSUBSCRIBE------- mailto:libretto@basiclink.com?subject=cmd:unsubscribe --------UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST------ Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ************************************************************** ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 15:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12270 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12262 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14562; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:51:59 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Jan B. Koum " cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clear case enclosures for laptops? In-Reply-To: <19981014002636.A29916@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, it's not really a laptop anymore, but the case is clear... http://www.inch.com/~stinky/footop.html The power supply was fried, the keyboard was gummy, so I took all the good parts and made a plexiglass sandwich. The laptop is now powered by a wall cube type power supply. Yes, it's running windows. I have three spare PC cards which aren't usable under FBSD... Charles --- Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com --- "...there's no idea that's so good you can't ruin it with a few well-placed idiots." On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone know if it possible to find clear case enclosures for > laptops? I just saw one for palm pilot at: > http://www2.viaweb.com/pilotgear/ulcoolpgex.html > > -- Yan (always trying to make his laptop look cool) > > I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum > But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. > So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb > Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 17:29:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25971 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25966 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA03024; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:59:05 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA01632; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:59:02 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981015095901.B586@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:59:01 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Barrett Richardson , Alex Belits Cc: Terry Lambert , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Barrett Richardson on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 08:06:07AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved to -chat] On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 8:06:07 -0400, Barrett Richardson wrote: > > I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to > collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. > My rabtter@aye.net address for instance, I use it exclusively for this > list -- and I get spam there; spammers had to be collecting addresses > by watching the list. Could be. > Needinfo@juno come has found a more novel approach, don't bother > subscribing to the list, just post something non-sensical to the > list and the e-mail addresses will come to you. Working like a > charm so far. Right. Even your message copied him :-) Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 17:31:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26230 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26224 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA03039; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:01:02 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA01644; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:00:56 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981015100056.C586@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:00:56 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Drew Baxter Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com>; from Drew Baxter on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 08:57:26AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 8:57:26 -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: > At 08:06 AM 10/14/98 -0400, Barrett Richardson wrote: >> >> I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to >> collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. >> My rabtter@aye.net address for instance, I use it exclusively for this >> list -- and I get spam there; spammers had to be collecting addresses >> by watching the list. >> >> Needinfo@juno come has found a more novel approach, don't bother >> subscribing to the list, just post something non-sensical to the >> list and the e-mail addresses will come to you. Working like a >> charm so far. > --- > Kinda redundant to send it to 7 people and then to the list, so everyone > else has been nuked in the CC field. Would have been good to move it to -chat, too. > --- > He's already started to E-Mail me stupid questions.. I'm just going to end > up placing a call to Juno/Denver about it. Needinfo@Juno.com, sounds like > an account that someone made for the some purpose of mailing this list. I don't think they'd act just because somebody's sending you silly questions. We'd have to nuke half the people on -questions :-) > I say (and still say), just add Juno to the filters, amongst Hotmail > and some other choice/problematic domains. I haven't blocked hotmail yet, but Juno's been there for a while. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 17:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28529 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28520 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4046.ime.net [209.90.195.56]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id UAA18314; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:49:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:48:48 -0400 To: Greg Lehey From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com Cc: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <19981015100056.C586@freebie.lemis.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just subscribed to FreeBSD-Chat.. I figure I might as well go for the gold, already get 30+ messages a day traffic from freebsd.org. :-) What are you using for mail filtering on your frontend? I saw something called Spam Stopper or Spam Buster a while ago that ISpace was running on their Unix box.. Silly questions have their priority I guess. I just don't see Juno users as BSD users.. Maybe it's just me... At 10:00 AM 10/15/98 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 8:57:26 -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: >> At 08:06 AM 10/14/98 -0400, Barrett Richardson wrote: >>> >>> I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to >>> collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. >>> My rabtter@aye.net address for instance, I use it exclusively for this >>> list -- and I get spam there; spammers had to be collecting addresses >>> by watching the list. >>> >>> Needinfo@juno come has found a more novel approach, don't bother >>> subscribing to the list, just post something non-sensical to the >>> list and the e-mail addresses will come to you. Working like a >>> charm so far. >> --- >> Kinda redundant to send it to 7 people and then to the list, so everyone >> else has been nuked in the CC field. > >Would have been good to move it to -chat, too. > >> --- >> He's already started to E-Mail me stupid questions.. I'm just going to end >> up placing a call to Juno/Denver about it. Needinfo@Juno.com, sounds like >> an account that someone made for the some purpose of mailing this list. > >I don't think they'd act just because somebody's sending you silly >questions. We'd have to nuke half the people on -questions :-) > >> I say (and still say), just add Juno to the filters, amongst Hotmail >> and some other choice/problematic domains. > >I haven't blocked hotmail yet, but Juno's been there for a while. > >Greg >-- >See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 18:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01796 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01745 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA13991; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:06:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19981015110648.60788@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:06:48 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Drew Baxter Cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> <19981015100056.C586@freebie.lemis.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com>; from Drew Baxter on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 08:48:48PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 08:48:48PM -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: > Just subscribed to FreeBSD-Chat.. I figure I might as well go for the gold, > already get 30+ messages a day traffic from freebsd.org. :-) :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 18:17:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03628 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03591 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA03190; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:46:37 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA01735; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:46:36 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981015104636.F586@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:46:36 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Drew Baxter Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Spam blocking (was: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com) References: <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> <19981015100056.C586@freebie.lemis.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com>; from Drew Baxter on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 08:48:48PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 20:48:48 -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: > At 10:00 AM 10/15/98 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 8:57:26 -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: >>> I say (and still say), just add Juno to the filters, amongst Hotmail >>> and some other choice/problematic domains. >> >> I haven't blocked hotmail yet, but Juno's been there for a while. > > Just subscribed to FreeBSD-Chat.. I figure I might as well go for the gold, > already get 30+ messages a day traffic from freebsd.org. :-) Enjoy. I get about 500. > What are you using for mail filtering on your frontend? sendmail 8.9.1, out of the box with a database of spam sites and what to say to them. > I saw something called Spam Stopper or Spam Buster a while ago that > ISpace was running on their Unix box.. I suppose others might have their advantages. I just haven't been prepared to spend the time looking at their relative merits. > Silly questions have their priority I guess. I just don't see Juno > users as BSD users.. Maybe it's just me... Some misguided people might not recognize the company they're in. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 18:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05031 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05020 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4046.ime.net [209.90.195.56]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id VAA18352; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:22:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014212036.00a9a960@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:20:54 -0400 To: Greg Lehey From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Spam blocking (was: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com) Cc: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <19981015104636.F586@freebie.lemis.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> <19981015100056.C586@freebie.lemis.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm I have 8.9.1... What else do I have to throw into it? At 10:46 AM 10/15/98 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 20:48:48 -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: >> At 10:00 AM 10/15/98 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 8:57:26 -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: >>>> I say (and still say), just add Juno to the filters, amongst Hotmail >>>> and some other choice/problematic domains. >>> >>> I haven't blocked hotmail yet, but Juno's been there for a while. >> >> Just subscribed to FreeBSD-Chat.. I figure I might as well go for the gold, >> already get 30+ messages a day traffic from freebsd.org. :-) > >Enjoy. I get about 500. > >> What are you using for mail filtering on your frontend? > >sendmail 8.9.1, out of the box with a database of spam sites and what >to say to them. > >> I saw something called Spam Stopper or Spam Buster a while ago that >> ISpace was running on their Unix box.. > >I suppose others might have their advantages. I just haven't been >prepared to spend the time looking at their relative merits. > >> Silly questions have their priority I guess. I just don't see Juno >> users as BSD users.. Maybe it's just me... > >Some misguided people might not recognize the company they're in. > >Greg >-- >See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 18:56:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09852 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09793; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4046.ime.net [209.90.195.56]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id VAA18373; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:46:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:45:07 -0400 To: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill) From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-Reply-To: <19981014.212617.4279.1.needinfo@juno.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Blinding CCing this to -Chat and -hackers. Might as well answer it in some form, even if some of it is wrong. Just don't come after me with a Fiber-Optic Enema in tow, thanks. :-) --- BSD today is Berkeley Software Distribution. http://www.bsdi.com, they make a commercial version of BSD known as BSDI or BSD Interactive. Costs something insane like 1495$. Most flavors of BSD (Open and Free, as well as BSDI (I think)) will run on as little as a 386-16SX machine with 120 meg of drive and 4mb of RAM. However, my FreeBSD unit is a PII-333 128MB/4.3gig. Here is a generic 'minimum' breakdown.. This is what I think is the lowest I'd run FreeBSD on, especially if I wanted to do XWindows. * A Computer (I think that's obvious) This Computer would contain AT LEAST: * 486-DX2/66 Processor * Network Card (or some sort of connection to the internet, Modem works too) * 2MB Video, I like to run XWindows, so I have a supported video card as well. * At least 1.2gig of Drive Space dedicated to FreeBSD. * 12MB of RAM * A CD-ROM (as little as 2X ATAPI/IDE, most supported) (If you're using a modem, you'd probably want to get the CD Set for FreeBSD..) * A mouse (for X), a Keyboard (for typing) Some Things are Optional: * Sound Card (Sometimes hard to find a supported one, don't need it, don't want it) These things should get you on your way to a BSD-filled life. Good recommended reading material is "The Complete FreeBSD" and of course the many many many MAN pages (some outdated, but that's life). I used my 4.4BSD Systems Managers Manual I got from ORA (I think) a while ago. Was quite a find at the local Borders. The big thing is, Juno is not an internet service. If you are serious about working with the operating system, a good thing to have (especially for updates and all) is to get an account with an internet provider that provides a PPP link. Netcom, Earthlink, Mindspring, and GRID are a few of these. AOL is an example of one that does not. At 09:32 PM 10/14/98 -0400, you wrote: >HI DREW, > >YOUR MESSAGE IS UNCLEAR. EXPLAIN? > >OUR QUESTION WAS; WHAT DOES BSD NEED, FROM YOUR VIEW POINT. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 19:14:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12986 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12980 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@aye.net) Received: (qmail 29096 invoked by uid 2784); 15 Oct 1998 02:13:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 02:13:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: Greg Lehey cc: Alex Belits , Terry Lambert , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: <19981015095901.B586@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > [Moved to -chat] > > On Wednesday, 14 October 1998 at 8:06:07 -0400, Barrett Richardson wrote: > > > > I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to > > collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. > > My rabtter@aye.net address for instance, I use it exclusively for this > > list -- and I get spam there; spammers had to be collecting addresses > > by watching the list. > > Could be. > > > Needinfo@juno come has found a more novel approach, don't bother > > subscribing to the list, just post something non-sensical to the > > list and the e-mail addresses will come to you. Working like a > > charm so far. > > Right. Even your message copied him :-) Touche. I stepped in it. -------------------- CUT --------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:32:18 EDT From: ed mill To: rabtter@aye.net Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com HI BARRETT, YOU HAVE GOOD IDEAS. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. WHAT DO YOU THINK BDS NEEDS? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -------------------- CUT ------------------ > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 22:20:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04781 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beef.cybertouch.org (h24-64-143-210.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.143.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04717 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beef@beef.cybertouch.org) Received: from localhost (beef@localhost) by beef.cybertouch.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01965; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:17:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from beef@beef.cybertouch.org) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:17:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Lanny Baron To: Mark Ovens cc: David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Intel Inside" Warning In-Reply-To: <36245B4C.6EC8654B@uk.radan.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark, From what you had written, are you saying that unix is just a joke? If it is, it's the second biggest joke ever made. lanny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 22:32:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05951 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gutenberg.uoregon.edu (gutenberg.uoregon.edu [128.223.56.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05946 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sharding@gutenberg.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by gutenberg.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14378 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:36:28 -0700 From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > Just subscribed to FreeBSD-Chat.. I figure I might as well go for the gold, > already get 30+ messages a day traffic from freebsd.org. :-) Only 30? Bah! Yesterday my stats show that I got 209 (of 1160 total) messages from the -bsd lists. So what if I spend waaayy too much of my day reading e-mail? :-) sean -- Sean Harding sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu|"Remember how it all began http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ | The apple and the fall of man" Consulting: http://www.efn.org/~seanh/ | --Natalie Merchant To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 14 23:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12219 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12214 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23723; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:43:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981015014300.52339@futuresouth.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:43:00 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Drew Baxter Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD References: <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com> <19981014.212617.4279.1.needinfo@juno.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com>; from Drew Baxter on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 09:45:07PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 09:45:07PM -0400, Drew Baxter woke me up to tell me: > > Most flavors of BSD (Open and Free, as well as BSDI (I think)) will run on > as little as a 386-16SX machine with 120 meg of drive and 4mb of RAM. > However, my FreeBSD unit is a PII-333 128MB/4.3gig. I'm going to take this opportunity to blow a little spieal ;) (Hey, it's -chat!) I just got through installing 2.1.5-RELEASE on a 386 DX/20 with 4 megs of ram and a 100 meg hard drive (appropriately named Musca). It was quite an experience, since it didn't really install over FTP and/or NFS right from the 2.1.5 CD. Hrmph. But I managed to coax it into working. Earlier today, I had to recompile the kernel on my workstation (ppro 180, 128 meg ram). It takes on average about 4, 4.5 minutes to do so. It's around 1.2 megs. Last night, I built a kernel on the 386. It's about 700k. It took about 6.5 hours to compile. YES, I like pain! Next goal: NFS mount a /usr/src and /usr/obj (no room on it's 76 meg / partition for THAT) and do a buildworld! I'm guessing it'll take less than 7 days, but more than 6. > Here is a generic 'minimum' breakdown.. This is what I think is the lowest > I'd run FreeBSD on, especially if I wanted to do XWindows. Right now I'm running X on my laptop. IBM ThinkPad 350C: 486 SLC/25, 12 megs RAM, C&T 512k video chipset. I'm at 8 bpp, 640x480. Still seeing if I can coax it up to 800x600, but I'm not holding out too much hope. 240 meg-ish hard drive. Not a hard workin' system, but I can run vi on the go. Oh, and I'm too lazy to buy a PCMCIA Ethernet card, so it's using a hardwired SLIP connection. I have a script to set the different IP etc for at work vs. at home. It's down to 19200 baud, and still gets silo overflows occasionally. Oh well. Just my little blurb for the day. New -chat thread: brag about your crappiest system. I have a 386 SX/16 laptop that I need to cobble up a power supply for, but if I can I'm going to see if I can get it going, just for the heck of it... *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 00:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14310 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14305 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zThRB-0002nK-00; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:03:06 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA01332; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:02:57 +0100 Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01900; Thu, 15 Oct 98 08:02:56 BST Message-Id: <36259E19.1848D95D@uk.radan.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:02:49 +0100 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Lanny Baron Cc: David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Intel Inside" Warning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lanny Baron wrote: > > Mark, > > From what you had written, are you saying that unix is just a > joke? If it is, it's the second biggest joke ever made. > > lanny > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message No, not at all. I just found it very amusing ( especially "Major Unix and C vendors..., including Microsoft......") -- "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free" - Linus Torvalds. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 00:06:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14746 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14739 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:06:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03366; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19981015000610.B2638@mooseriver.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:06:10 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: announce@bafug.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Retail Page Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at (http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html). Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. This notice is posted twice a month, on the 1st and the 15th. -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 00:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14934 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14920 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03403; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19981015000745.C2638@mooseriver.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:07:45 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: announce@bafug.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Counter page Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of it's counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * This is a beta release. It is not perfect and will have a few bugs and flaws. If you find any please let us know. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spamers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. Josef (jgrosch@MooseRiver.com) -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 00:40:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18162 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hugin.imat.com (hugin.imat.COM [140.174.70.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18148 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rick@hugin.imat.com) Received: (from rick@localhost) by hugin.imat.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) id AAA28477; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:39:55 -0700 Message-ID: <19981015003955.B28452@hugin.imat.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:39:55 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com, announce@bafug.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: {BAFUG-A} FreeBSD Retail Page References: <19981015000610.B2638@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <19981015000610.B2638@mooseriver.com>; from Josef Grosch on Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 12:06:10AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Josef Grosch (jgrosch@mooseriver.com): > Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, > and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of your > friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. You listed Central Computer's Sunnyvale location, but not the San Francisco one, where I recently spotted 2.2.7 (book bundle). 837 Howard Street @ 4th Street, San Francisco. M-F 9-7:30pm, Sa/Su/holidays 10:30-6. (415) 495-5888 voice/(415) 896-5888 fax. http://www.centralcomputer.com/ -- Cheers, I am the very model of a modern Unix sysadmin, Rick Moen I've information relevant to programs in slash usr bin, rick@hugin.imat.com I know the tricks of emacs and the vi bugs historical, From a to ZZ upper case, in order categorical. -- Harley Hahn, The Unix Sysadmin Song To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 00:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19483 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19468 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03633; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19981015005239.A3597@mooseriver.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:52:39 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Rick Moen , announce@bafug.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: {BAFUG-A} FreeBSD Retail Page Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <19981015000610.B2638@mooseriver.com> <19981015003955.B28452@hugin.imat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981015003955.B28452@hugin.imat.com>; from Rick Moen on Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 12:39:55AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 12:39:55AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Josef Grosch (jgrosch@mooseriver.com): > > > Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, > > and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of your > > friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. > > You listed Central Computer's Sunnyvale location, but not the San > Francisco one, where I recently spotted 2.2.7 (book bundle). > > 837 Howard Street @ 4th Street, San Francisco. M-F 9-7:30pm, > Sa/Su/holidays 10:30-6. (415) 495-5888 voice/(415) 896-5888 fax. > http://www.centralcomputer.com/ Added an entry for their San Francisco store. Thanks Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 09:09:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13783 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13764 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27364 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:07:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD on TV Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did anyone notice that FreeBSD was on national TV this morning? I was watching the news while eating breakfast, and switching between Fox and CNN. On both were stories about the implantation of sensors inside a disabled person's skull, to possibly allow a computer to communicate with that person. I was kinda rushed, so I didn't get too much of the story, but both shows had a closeup of the computer screen in the same room with doctors, bunches of equipment, and putative patient. There was Chuckie the daemon looking back at me, on both, 5 minutes apart. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 09:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15050 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15043 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07717; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:07:33 EDT." Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:18:41 -0700 Message-ID: <7714.908468321@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was watching the news while eating breakfast, and switching between > Fox and CNN. On both were stories about the implantation of sensors > inside a disabled person's skull, to possibly allow a computer to > communicate with that person. Ye gods. This gives the idea of a kernel panic a whole new meaning here! Good thing we've got all those disclaimers on the code. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 10:29:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25990 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25984 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25128; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sef) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199810151729.KAA25128@kithrup.com> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on TV References: Your message of "Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:07:33 EDT." Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <7714.908468321.kithrup.freebsd.chat@time.cdrom.com> you write: >Ye gods. This gives the idea of a kernel panic a whole new meaning >here! Good thing we've got all those disclaimers on the code. :-) "Always mount a spare monkey." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 12:47:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18345 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.231.236.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18322 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA05093 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199810151946.PAA05093@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on TV To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:46:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199810151729.KAA25128@kithrup.com> from "Sean Eric Fagan" at Oct 15, 98 10:29:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > In article <7714.908468321.kithrup.freebsd.chat@time.cdrom.com> you write: > >Ye gods. This gives the idea of a kernel panic a whole new meaning > >here! Good thing we've got all those disclaimers on the code. :-) > > "Always mount a spare monkey." > I thought that was scratch monkey. Bill +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 13:40:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26843 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:40:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26830 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4044.ime.net [209.90.195.54]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id QAA19508; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:40:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981015163858.00a25410@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:39:19 -0400 To: Sean Harding , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.0.67.19981014204437.0091c7a0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll subscribe to more as time passes.. Luckily I have mail filters that dump it into other folders.. Would make matters confusing if I had to paw through to find work-related mail.. At 10:36 PM 10/14/98 -0700, Sean Harding wrote: >On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> Just subscribed to FreeBSD-Chat.. I figure I might as well go for the gold, >> already get 30+ messages a day traffic from freebsd.org. :-) > >Only 30? Bah! Yesterday my stats show that I got 209 (of 1160 total) >messages from the -bsd lists. > >So what if I spend waaayy too much of my day reading e-mail? :-) > >sean > >-- >Sean Harding sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu|"Remember how it all began >http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ | The apple and the fall of man" >Consulting: http://www.efn.org/~seanh/ | --Natalie Merchant > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 13:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27663 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27580 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4044.ime.net [209.90.195.54]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id QAA19513; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:44:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981015163957.00a29a30@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:43:34 -0400 To: "Matthew D. Fuller" From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981015014300.52339@futuresouth.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com> <19981014.212617.4279.1.needinfo@juno.com> <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My first FreeBSD machine was running January 1994's (2.0?) release.. I still have the CD Somewhere.. It supported the CDU-33A (Sony) drive and Proprietary interface I got as a Multimedia upgrade from Gateway 2000. The machine was a 386-DX33 with 120MB and 4MB of RAM.. Ran fine, at the time, but I didn't try to run X on it. I have FreeBSD 3.0-980804 on my Acer Extensa laptop (P166MMX 48/2.1gig/20x) and a 3com NIC.. Can't really say I touch that much, but I want to get rid of the laptop for clear Acer-related reasons.. (The thing is a POS). My BIG FreeBSD box is Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, a PII-333 running FreeBSD-BETA (Whatever I CVSup'd last week) on a 56K Frame with 32mb (soon to be 128)/4.1gig (across two drives), 3 nics (two EP devices 3c509's, and 1 XL device 3c905). Supermicro case and board, Samsung and Maxtor drives, and a crap 8X Mitsumi CD-ROM. At 01:43 AM 10/15/98 -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: >On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 09:45:07PM -0400, Drew Baxter woke me up to tell me: >> >> Most flavors of BSD (Open and Free, as well as BSDI (I think)) will run on >> as little as a 386-16SX machine with 120 meg of drive and 4mb of RAM. >> However, my FreeBSD unit is a PII-333 128MB/4.3gig. >I'm going to take this opportunity to blow a little spieal ;) >(Hey, it's -chat!) >I just got through installing 2.1.5-RELEASE on a 386 DX/20 with 4 megs of >ram and a 100 meg hard drive (appropriately named Musca). It was quite >an experience, since it didn't really install over FTP and/or NFS right >from the 2.1.5 CD. Hrmph. But I managed to coax it into working. >Earlier today, I had to recompile the kernel on my workstation (ppro 180, >128 meg ram). It takes on average about 4, 4.5 minutes to do so. It's >around 1.2 megs. Last night, I built a kernel on the 386. It's about >700k. It took about 6.5 hours to compile. YES, I like pain! >Next goal: NFS mount a /usr/src and /usr/obj (no room on it's 76 meg / >partition for THAT) and do a buildworld! I'm guessing it'll take less >than 7 days, but more than 6. > >> Here is a generic 'minimum' breakdown.. This is what I think is the lowest >> I'd run FreeBSD on, especially if I wanted to do XWindows. > >Right now I'm running X on my laptop. >IBM ThinkPad 350C: 486 SLC/25, 12 megs RAM, C&T 512k video chipset. I'm >at 8 bpp, 640x480. Still seeing if I can coax it up to 800x600, but I'm >not holding out too much hope. 240 meg-ish hard drive. Not a hard >workin' system, but I can run vi on the go. >Oh, and I'm too lazy to buy a PCMCIA Ethernet card, so it's using a >hardwired SLIP connection. I have a script to set the different IP etc >for at work vs. at home. It's down to 19200 baud, and still gets silo >overflows occasionally. Oh well. > >Just my little blurb for the day. New -chat thread: brag about your >crappiest system. I have a 386 SX/16 laptop that I need to cobble up a >power supply for, but if I can I'm going to see if I can get it going, >just for the heck of it... > > >*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >| FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | >* "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * >| that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| >* fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * >| http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | >*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 15:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19401 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au [130.194.166.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19393 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au) Received: from localhost (graeme@localhost) by babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15262; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:25:27 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:25:27 +1000 (EST) From: Graeme Cross Reply-To: Graeme.Cross@sci.monash.edu.au To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Attribution: gjc X-PGP-Key-ID: 702DB549 X-URL: http://www.wsc.monash.edu.au/~graeme/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > Did anyone notice that FreeBSD was on national TV this morning? > > I was watching the news while eating breakfast, and switching between > Fox and CNN. On both were stories about the implantation of sensors > inside a disabled person's skull, to possibly allow a computer to > communicate with that person. > > I was kinda rushed, so I didn't get too much of the story, but both > shows had a closeup of the computer screen in the same room with > doctors, bunches of equipment, and putative patient. There was Chuckie > the daemon looking back at me, on both, 5 minutes apart. > I saw the story here on late night Channel 9 news. Surgeons have implanted a coated glass sensor in the brain of a man who suffered a severe stroke (IIRC), leaving him with no movement and no speech. A radio transmitter sends signals to a computer interface that allows him to select various icons that talk, control things, etc. The example they showed was him selecting the "Cold" icon, which then said "I am too cold". The BSD daemon was the icon picture for "Uncomfortable"!!! That was the FreeBSD connection (unfortunately) - not the best BSD advocacy on TV this year... Cheers Graeme -- Graeme Cross -- Water Studies Centre, Monash University Random thought #132 (Collect all 235) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. (Clarke) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 15 15:36:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20728 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au [130.194.166.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20701 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au) Received: from localhost (graeme@localhost) by babylon.wsc.monash.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15356; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:35:32 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:35:32 +1000 (EST) From: Graeme Cross Reply-To: Graeme.Cross@sci.monash.edu.au To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on TV - followup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Attribution: gjc X-PGP-Key-ID: 702DB549 X-URL: http://www.wsc.monash.edu.au/~graeme/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Graeme Cross wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > Did anyone notice that FreeBSD was on national TV this morning? > > > > I was watching the news while eating breakfast, and switching between > > Fox and CNN. On both were stories about the implantation of sensors > > inside a disabled person's skull, to possibly allow a computer to > > communicate with that person. > > > > I was kinda rushed, so I didn't get too much of the story, but both > > shows had a closeup of the computer screen in the same room with > > doctors, bunches of equipment, and putative patient. There was Chuckie > > the daemon looking back at me, on both, 5 minutes apart. > > For those interested, there is an on-line article about the system in the UK Telegraph at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ You have to enter a username etc to read the article - cypherpunks/cypherpunks works, as per usual. There is no mention of the OS used or the BSD daemon in the article though, just information on the brain interfacing. Cheers Graeme -- Graeme Cross -- Water Studies Centre, Monash University Random thought #132 (Collect all 235) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. (Clarke) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 16 02:40:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05260 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05194 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26848; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810160937.CAA26848@implode.root.com> To: tech@cdrom.com cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1998/10/16 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:58:36 PDT." <199810160758.AAA17565@web1.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:37:39 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We've set new traffic records in 3 out of the past 4 days. Here's the latest at 461GB. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project >Dual Log Stats : Oct 16 1998 -------------------------------------------------- > > Current Record Delta > --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- > Bytes 461,201,261,827 461,201,261,827 New Record! > Files 936,706 1,315,689 -378,983 > > FTP Bytes 461,201,261,827 461,201,261,827 New Record! > FTP Files 936,706 1,003,879 -67,173 > HTTP Bytes 58,081,249,072 -58,081,249,072 > HTTP Files 567,700 -567,700 > >=============================================================================== > > Total FTP HTTP Total FTP HTTP Total Total > Bytes Bytes Bytes Files Files Files %Bytes %Files >-------------- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- ------- ------ ------ >/FreeBSD 76,030M 76,030M 0M 296,842 296,842 0 16.49 31.69 >/3dfiles 74,599M 74,599M 0M 9,372 9,372 0 16.17 1.00 >/linux 70,387M 70,387M 0M 326,561 326,561 0 15.26 34.86 >/games 34,496M 34,496M 0M 12,107 12,107 0 7.48 1.29 >/planetquake 31,993M 31,993M 0M 13,747 13,747 0 6.94 1.47 >/gamesdomain 31,908M 31,908M 0M 2,915 2,915 0 6.92 0.31 >/simtelnet 27,703M 27,703M 0M 39,995 39,995 0 6.01 4.27 >/idgames 25,297M 25,297M 0M 17,200 17,200 0 5.49 1.84 >/demos 22,021M 22,021M 0M 37,838 37,838 0 4.77 4.04 >/idgames2 15,900M 15,900M 0M 34,074 34,074 0 3.45 3.64 >/3drealms 13,573M 13,573M 0M 16,921 16,921 0 2.94 1.81 >/cnet 11,498M 11,498M 0M 8,963 8,963 0 2.49 0.96 >/audio 7,567M 7,567M 0M 16,752 16,752 0 1.64 1.79 >/unreal 2,499M 2,499M 0M 5,771 5,771 0 0.54 0.62 >/dresden 2,096M 2,096M 0M 3,185 3,185 0 0.45 0.34 >/netlib 1,600M 1,600M 0M 51,228 51,228 0 0.35 5.47 >/gutenberg 1,296M 1,296M 0M 4,280 4,280 0 0.28 0.46 >//ls-lR.gz 1,121M 1,121M 0M 125 125 0 0.24 0.01 >/japanese 926M 926M 0M 814 814 0 0.20 0.09 >/jn4 867M 867M 0M 225 225 0 0.19 0.02 >/artpacks 801M 801M 0M 2,052 2,052 0 0.17 0.22 >/sac 658M 658M 0M 1,284 1,284 0 0.14 0.14 >/tex 569M 569M 0M 3,990 3,990 0 0.12 0.43 >/gt 540M 540M 0M 133 133 0 0.12 0.01 >/cheats 519M 519M 0M 1,180 1,180 0 0.11 0.13 >/delphi 519M 519M 0M 6,110 6,110 0 0.11 0.65 >/XFree86 469M 469M 0M 875 875 0 0.10 0.09 >/novell 442M 442M 0M 2,217 2,217 0 0.10 0.24 >/X11 365M 365M 0M 2,186 2,186 0 0.08 0.23 >/infozip 288M 288M 0M 1,375 1,375 0 0.06 0.15 >/perl 286M 286M 0M 3,158 3,158 0 0.06 0.34 >/os2 258M 258M 0M 1,542 1,542 0 0.06 0.16 >/povray 250M 250M 0M 659 659 0 0.05 0.07 >/abuse 210M 210M 0M 120 120 0 0.05 0.01 >/bsd-sources 180M 180M 0M 54 54 0 0.04 0.01 >/languages 180M 180M 0M 429 429 0 0.04 0.05 >/gnu 180M 180M 0M 272 272 0 0.04 0.03 >/x2ftp 101M 101M 0M 554 554 0 0.02 0.06 >//ls-lR 101M 101M 0M 12 12 0 0.02 0.00 >/avalon 99M 99M 0M 892 892 0 0.02 0.10 >/garbo 88M 88M 0M 622 622 0 0.02 0.07 >/unixfreeware 86M 86M 0M 298 298 0 0.02 0.03 >/delphideli 64M 64M 0M 309 309 0 0.01 0.03 >/gus 60M 60M 0M 92 92 0 0.01 0.01 >/math 56M 56M 0M 135 135 0 0.01 0.01 >/tomahawk 56M 56M 0M 193 193 0 0.01 0.02 >/irc 55M 55M 0M 404 404 0 0.01 0.04 >/asme 42M 42M 0M 401 401 0 0.01 0.04 >/security 41M 41M 0M 305 305 0 0.01 0.03 >/cdrom 40M 40M 0M 650 650 0 0.01 0.07 >/beos 34M 34M 0M 365 365 0 0.01 0.04 >/tcl 25M 25M 0M 51 51 0 0.01 0.01 >/java 23M 23M 0M 222 222 0 0.01 0.02 >/mac 21M 21M 0M 132 132 0 0.00 0.01 >/mozilla 12M 12M 0M 7 7 0 0.00 0.00 >/4cust 12M 12M 0M 7 7 0 0.00 0.00 >/hamradio 9M 9M 0M 203 203 0 0.00 0.02 >/NetBSD 8M 8M 0M 35 35 0 0.00 0.00 >/algorithms 8M 8M 0M 1,523 1,523 0 0.00 0.16 >/wcarchive.jpg 8M 8M 0M 96 96 0 0.00 0.01 >/MacSciTech 7M 7M 0M 50 50 0 0.00 0.01 >/python 6M 6M 0M 54 54 0 0.00 0.01 >/sde 5M 5M 0M 14 14 0 0.00 0.00 >/internet 3M 3M 0M 177 177 0 0.00 0.02 >/unix-c 3M 3M 0M 33 33 0 0.00 0.00 >/README 2M 2M 0M 467 467 0 0.00 0.05 >/obi 2M 2M 0M 28 28 0 0.00 0.00 >/png 2M 2M 0M 124 124 0 0.00 0.01 >/wcarchive.txt 1M 1M 0M 312 312 0 0.00 0.03 >//UPLOADS.TXT 735k 735k 0k 268 268 0 0.00 0.03 >//README 547k 547k 0k 787 787 0 0.00 0.08 >/slow.txt 305k 305k 0k 216 216 0 0.00 0.02 >//catalog 123k 123k 0k 2 2 0 0.00 0.00 >/ase 97k 97k 0k 15 15 0 0.00 0.00 >/games_patches 46k 46k 0k 26 26 0 0.00 0.00 >/msg.toomany 18k 18k 0k 48 48 0 0.00 0.01 >/viseng 15k 15k 0k 12 12 0 0.00 0.00 >//.message 10k 10k 0k 8 8 0 0.00 0.00 >/mng 9k 9k 0k 2 2 0 0.00 0.00 >/UPLOADS.TXT 2k 2k 0k 1 1 0 0.00 0.00 >/.message 0k 0k 0k 3 3 0 0.00 0.00 >-------------- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- ------- ------ ------ >81 archives 461,201M 461,201M 0M 936,706 936,706 0 ~100.0 ~100.0 > > (k) = 1,000 bytes > (M) = 1,000,000 bytes > >=============================================================================== > > Yesterday Average (30 days) Delta >------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- >Hits (FTP) 936,706 731,546 205,160 >Hits (HTTP) 0 0 >Hits (combo) 936,706 731,546 205,160 > >Bytes (FTP) 461,201,261,827 390,826,723,977 70,374,537,850 >Bytes (HTTP) 0 0 >Bytes (combo) 461,201,261,827 390,826,723,977 70,374,537,850 > > Past 7 Days Past 30 Days Since 26 Feb 1997 >------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- >Hits (FTP) 5,550,013 21,946,381 285,185,347 >Hits (HTTP) 0 0 154,476,821 >Hits (combo) 5,550,013 21,946,381 439,662,178 > >Bytes (FTP) 3,040,236,429,681 11,724,801,719,327 123,463,503,595,079 >Bytes (HTTP) 0 0 10,106,100,542,342 >Bytes (combo) 3,040,236,429,681 11,724,801,719,327 133,569,604,137,321 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 16 04:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16901 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:48:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16896 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4014.ime.net [209.90.195.24]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id HAA20459; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:48:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016074653.00a50490@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:47:30 -0400 To: dg@root.com From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Dual Log Stats - 1998/10/16 Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810160937.CAA26848@implode.root.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wish I had a fast line *pout*. :-) --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter OneNetwork Exchange http://www.droo.orland.me.us At 02:37 AM 10/16/98 -0700, David Greenman wrote: > We've set new traffic records in 3 out of the past 4 days. Here's the >latest at 461GB. > >-DG > >David Greenman >Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > >>Dual Log Stats : Oct 16 1998 >-------------------------------------------------- >> >> Current Record Delta >> --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- >> Bytes 461,201,261,827 461,201,261,827 New Record! >> Files 936,706 1,315,689 -378,983 >> >> FTP Bytes 461,201,261,827 461,201,261,827 New Record! >> FTP Files 936,706 1,003,879 -67,173 >> HTTP Bytes 58,081,249,072 -58,081,249,072 >> HTTP Files 567,700 -567,700 >> >>=========================================================================== >==== >> >> Total FTP HTTP Total FTP HTTP Total >Total >> Bytes Bytes Bytes Files Files Files %Bytes >%Files >>-------------- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- ------- ------ >------ >>/FreeBSD 76,030M 76,030M 0M 296,842 296,842 0 16.49 >31.69 >>/3dfiles 74,599M 74,599M 0M 9,372 9,372 0 16.17 >1.00 >>/linux 70,387M 70,387M 0M 326,561 326,561 0 15.26 >34.86 >>/games 34,496M 34,496M 0M 12,107 12,107 0 7.48 >1.29 >>/planetquake 31,993M 31,993M 0M 13,747 13,747 0 6.94 >1.47 >>/gamesdomain 31,908M 31,908M 0M 2,915 2,915 0 6.92 >0.31 >>/simtelnet 27,703M 27,703M 0M 39,995 39,995 0 6.01 >4.27 >>/idgames 25,297M 25,297M 0M 17,200 17,200 0 5.49 >1.84 >>/demos 22,021M 22,021M 0M 37,838 37,838 0 4.77 >4.04 >>/idgames2 15,900M 15,900M 0M 34,074 34,074 0 3.45 >3.64 >>/3drealms 13,573M 13,573M 0M 16,921 16,921 0 2.94 >1.81 >>/cnet 11,498M 11,498M 0M 8,963 8,963 0 2.49 >0.96 >>/audio 7,567M 7,567M 0M 16,752 16,752 0 1.64 >1.79 >>/unreal 2,499M 2,499M 0M 5,771 5,771 0 0.54 >0.62 >>/dresden 2,096M 2,096M 0M 3,185 3,185 0 0.45 >0.34 >>/netlib 1,600M 1,600M 0M 51,228 51,228 0 0.35 >5.47 >>/gutenberg 1,296M 1,296M 0M 4,280 4,280 0 0.28 >0.46 >>//ls-lR.gz 1,121M 1,121M 0M 125 125 0 0.24 >0.01 >>/japanese 926M 926M 0M 814 814 0 0.20 >0.09 >>/jn4 867M 867M 0M 225 225 0 0.19 >0.02 >>/artpacks 801M 801M 0M 2,052 2,052 0 0.17 >0.22 >>/sac 658M 658M 0M 1,284 1,284 0 0.14 >0.14 >>/tex 569M 569M 0M 3,990 3,990 0 0.12 >0.43 >>/gt 540M 540M 0M 133 133 0 0.12 >0.01 >>/cheats 519M 519M 0M 1,180 1,180 0 0.11 >0.13 >>/delphi 519M 519M 0M 6,110 6,110 0 0.11 >0.65 >>/XFree86 469M 469M 0M 875 875 0 0.10 >0.09 >>/novell 442M 442M 0M 2,217 2,217 0 0.10 >0.24 >>/X11 365M 365M 0M 2,186 2,186 0 0.08 >0.23 >>/infozip 288M 288M 0M 1,375 1,375 0 0.06 >0.15 >>/perl 286M 286M 0M 3,158 3,158 0 0.06 >0.34 >>/os2 258M 258M 0M 1,542 1,542 0 0.06 >0.16 >>/povray 250M 250M 0M 659 659 0 0.05 >0.07 >>/abuse 210M 210M 0M 120 120 0 0.05 >0.01 >>/bsd-sources 180M 180M 0M 54 54 0 0.04 >0.01 >>/languages 180M 180M 0M 429 429 0 0.04 >0.05 >>/gnu 180M 180M 0M 272 272 0 0.04 >0.03 >>/x2ftp 101M 101M 0M 554 554 0 0.02 >0.06 >>//ls-lR 101M 101M 0M 12 12 0 0.02 >0.00 >>/avalon 99M 99M 0M 892 892 0 0.02 >0.10 >>/garbo 88M 88M 0M 622 622 0 0.02 >0.07 >>/unixfreeware 86M 86M 0M 298 298 0 0.02 >0.03 >>/delphideli 64M 64M 0M 309 309 0 0.01 >0.03 >>/gus 60M 60M 0M 92 92 0 0.01 >0.01 >>/math 56M 56M 0M 135 135 0 0.01 >0.01 >>/tomahawk 56M 56M 0M 193 193 0 0.01 >0.02 >>/irc 55M 55M 0M 404 404 0 0.01 >0.04 >>/asme 42M 42M 0M 401 401 0 0.01 >0.04 >>/security 41M 41M 0M 305 305 0 0.01 >0.03 >>/cdrom 40M 40M 0M 650 650 0 0.01 >0.07 >>/beos 34M 34M 0M 365 365 0 0.01 >0.04 >>/tcl 25M 25M 0M 51 51 0 0.01 >0.01 >>/java 23M 23M 0M 222 222 0 0.01 >0.02 >>/mac 21M 21M 0M 132 132 0 0.00 >0.01 >>/mozilla 12M 12M 0M 7 7 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/4cust 12M 12M 0M 7 7 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/hamradio 9M 9M 0M 203 203 0 0.00 >0.02 >>/NetBSD 8M 8M 0M 35 35 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/algorithms 8M 8M 0M 1,523 1,523 0 0.00 >0.16 >>/wcarchive.jpg 8M 8M 0M 96 96 0 0.00 >0.01 >>/MacSciTech 7M 7M 0M 50 50 0 0.00 >0.01 >>/python 6M 6M 0M 54 54 0 0.00 >0.01 >>/sde 5M 5M 0M 14 14 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/internet 3M 3M 0M 177 177 0 0.00 >0.02 >>/unix-c 3M 3M 0M 33 33 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/README 2M 2M 0M 467 467 0 0.00 >0.05 >>/obi 2M 2M 0M 28 28 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/png 2M 2M 0M 124 124 0 0.00 >0.01 >>/wcarchive.txt 1M 1M 0M 312 312 0 0.00 >0.03 >>//UPLOADS.TXT 735k 735k 0k 268 268 0 0.00 >0.03 >>//README 547k 547k 0k 787 787 0 0.00 >0.08 >>/slow.txt 305k 305k 0k 216 216 0 0.00 >0.02 >>//catalog 123k 123k 0k 2 2 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/ase 97k 97k 0k 15 15 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/games_patches 46k 46k 0k 26 26 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/msg.toomany 18k 18k 0k 48 48 0 0.00 >0.01 >>/viseng 15k 15k 0k 12 12 0 0.00 >0.00 >>//.message 10k 10k 0k 8 8 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/mng 9k 9k 0k 2 2 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/UPLOADS.TXT 2k 2k 0k 1 1 0 0.00 >0.00 >>/.message 0k 0k 0k 3 3 0 0.00 >0.00 >>-------------- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- ------- ------ >------ >>81 archives 461,201M 461,201M 0M 936,706 936,706 0 ~100.0 >~100.0 >> >> (k) = 1,000 bytes >> (M) = 1,000,000 bytes >> >>=========================================================================== >==== >> >> Yesterday Average (30 days) >Delta >>------------- --------------------- --------------------- >--------------------- >>Hits (FTP) 936,706 731,546 >205,160 >>Hits (HTTP) 0 > 0 >>Hits (combo) 936,706 731,546 >205,160 >> >>Bytes (FTP) 461,201,261,827 390,826,723,977 >70,374,537,850 >>Bytes (HTTP) 0 > 0 >>Bytes (combo) 461,201,261,827 390,826,723,977 >70,374,537,850 >> >> Past 7 Days Past 30 Days Since 26 Feb >1997 >>------------- --------------------- --------------------- >--------------------- >>Hits (FTP) 5,550,013 21,946,381 >285,185,347 >>Hits (HTTP) 0 0 >154,476,821 >>Hits (combo) 5,550,013 21,946,381 >439,662,178 >> >>Bytes (FTP) 3,040,236,429,681 11,724,801,719,327 >123,463,503,595,079 >>Bytes (HTTP) 0 0 >10,106,100,542,342 >>Bytes (combo) 3,040,236,429,681 11,724,801,719,327 >133,569,604,137,321 >> > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 16 04:58:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17226 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iserver.itworks.com.au (iserver.itworks.com.au [203.32.61.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17221 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin@itworks.com.au) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by iserver.itworks.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27192 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:58:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gavin@itworks.com.au) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:58:18 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Cameron To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New release/SNAP finder for FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I promised a resource that would allow anyone to find a FTP server that contains particular releases and SNAP of FreeBSD, and that database is now available for testing (its very beta at the moment). Essentially, the database walks through the DNS starting at freebsd.org and looks for hosts that start with ftp. It then FTPs to that host and takes a note of what releases and SNAPs are available on that machine. All info is then put into a database so you can search. The database can be accessed at http://www.itworks.com.au/~gavin/FBSDsites.php3 and is updated daily at 3am Melbourne time (10 hours ahead of GMT). If you have any comments or critisms, please E-mail me at gavin@itworks.com.au. Cheers, Gavin []-----------------------------------+------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | ITworks Consulting | | Ph : 0418 390350 | Suite 100, 85 Grattan Street | | Fax : +61 3 9347 6544 | Carlton, Victoria | | Email : gavin@itworks.com.au | Australia, 3053 | []-----------------------------------+------------------------------------[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 16 07:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03549 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03539 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JDPHUNXJ; Fri, 16 Oct 98 14:27:07 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981016162209.00924b90@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:22:09 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Wierd mail Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA03541 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've CC:'d this to chat, in case nobody hears me. Two recent posts of mine have been answered with a wierd bounced-mail message from www.sentry-foods.com... is this a real mail server through which the mail has been routed? Has anyone else seen this? I no longer track -stable, but I'd still like to be able to post, so please ack/nak this privately. If anyone'd like details, just ask. .oO[¨ Marius Bendiksen ¨]Oo. Dead girls don't say no. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 17 14:07:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26339 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26331 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id WAA24676; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:00:31 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02702; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:53:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19981017225345.B2388@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:53:45 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Sue Blake , Greg Lehey Cc: Wes Peters , Nicholas Charles Brawn , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) References: <19981009200951.60385@welearn.com.au> <361E5F84.14E9660@softweyr.com> <19981010103752.I3369@freebie.lemis.com> <19981010114400.38126@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981010114400.38126@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:44:01AM +1000 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:44:01AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:37:52AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > I'm old enough to remember the last time somebody asked this question > > (about 2 years ago). At that time, we discovered that there were a > > surprising number of over 40s and over 50s in the FreeBSD team. > > Has there ever been a gender check? :-) Hi Sue ! How old are you ? I can't see any reference in this thread ;-) And no picture on the web server, so it's really difficult to guess. Well give me a hint, I want to know how old the ladies are, who "play" with BSDay ;-) (Nice rime ? ;-)) -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 17 14:08:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26496 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:08:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26487 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:08:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id WAA24659; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:00:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02400; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:47:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19981017224736.A2388@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:47:36 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: dg@root.com, Greg Lehey Cc: Wes Peters , Sue Blake , Nicholas Charles Brawn , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) References: <19981010103752.I3369@freebie.lemis.com> <199810100334.UAA20029@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810100334.UAA20029@implode.root.com>; from David Greenman on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 08:34:19PM -0700 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 08:34:19PM -0700, David Greenman wrote: > >Come, come, he's just viewing things from his perspective. Agreed, > >25+ is not a useful category. > > > >I'm old enough to remember the last time somebody asked this question > >(about 2 years ago). At that time, we discovered that there were a > >surprising number of over 40s and over 50s in the FreeBSD team. I > > The majority of the FreeBSD core team (including myself), with exception > of perhaps 2 or 3 people, are in the 30-40 range. > This make me feel old for some reason. :-) 35 .... ;-) And married since 10 years ;-) -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 17 14:13:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26996 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26987 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4024.ime.net [209.90.195.34]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id RAA25207; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:12:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981017171116.00c25cd0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:11:24 -0400 To: Andreas Klemm , dg@root.com, Greg Lehey From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: age check :) Cc: Wes Peters , Sue Blake , Nicholas Charles Brawn , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981017224736.A2388@klemm.gtn.com> References: <199810100334.UAA20029@implode.root.com> <19981010103752.I3369@freebie.lemis.com> <199810100334.UAA20029@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heh I'm 17, if anyone cares. :-) At 10:47 PM 10/17/98 +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: >On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 08:34:19PM -0700, David Greenman wrote: >> >Come, come, he's just viewing things from his perspective. Agreed, >> >25+ is not a useful category. >> > >> >I'm old enough to remember the last time somebody asked this question >> >(about 2 years ago). At that time, we discovered that there were a >> >surprising number of over 40s and over 50s in the FreeBSD team. I >> >> The majority of the FreeBSD core team (including myself), with exception >> of perhaps 2 or 3 people, are in the 30-40 range. >> This make me feel old for some reason. :-) > >35 .... ;-) And married since 10 years ;-) > > >-- >Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas > What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html > "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 17 14:21:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28027 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28017 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id OAA29269; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981017142002.A28949@best.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:20:02 -0700 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Andreas Klemm , Sue Blake , Greg Lehey Cc: Wes Peters , Nicholas Charles Brawn , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: age check :) Mail-Followup-To: Andreas Klemm , Sue Blake , Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Nicholas Charles Brawn , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19981009200951.60385@welearn.com.au> <361E5F84.14E9660@softweyr.com> <19981010103752.I3369@freebie.lemis.com> <19981010114400.38126@welearn.com.au> <19981017225345.B2388@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981017225345.B2388@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Sat, Oct 17, 1998 at 10:53:45PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 17, 1998 at 10:53:45PM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:44:01AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:37:52AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > > I'm old enough to remember the last time somebody asked this question > > > (about 2 years ago). At that time, we discovered that there were a > > > surprising number of over 40s and over 50s in the FreeBSD team. > > > > Has there ever been a gender check? :-) > > Hi Sue ! > > How old are you ? I can't see any reference in this thread ;-) > > And no picture on the web server, so it's really difficult to guess. > > Well give me a hint, I want to know how old the ladies are, who > "play" with BSDay ;-) (Nice rime ? ;-)) > > -- > Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas > What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html > "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message HI! HI! IS THIS AOL!? Oops.. wrong keyboard. -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 17 20:03:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27168 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles113.castles.com [208.214.165.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27163 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09256 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810180307.UAA09256@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Sounds of Soft Updates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:07:46 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One of those little things which mark you as a geek is trying to tell what operating system is running on a machine by the noises the disk unit(s) attached to it make. Soft Updates makes this game almost too easy; it's got rhythm. If you don't know what I'm talking about, and you don't have a system running it, then I guess I should explain that Soft Updates pushes pending writes out to disk once a second. If the system's not very busy, you get a little burst of activity every second; on the old Barracuda I'm using here it sounds a bit like a Burmese with a bell working on a hairball. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message