From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 22 11:23:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04120 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04107 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@seidata.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06452 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) From: Administrator To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ftp.gulf.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Any idea(s) why ftp.gulf.net no longer allows anonymous FTP logins? I tried it today (11.22) and was not able to retreive their ips and domains files for sendmail's SPAM filters. Is this temporary or are the files located somewhere else now? Thanks, -mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 22 17:46:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08787 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:46:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stratos.net ([207.86.135.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08782 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:46:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drifter@stratos.net) Received: (from drifter@localhost) by stratos.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00286 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:55:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from drifter) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:55:56 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Message-Id: <199811230155.UAA00286@stratos.net> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What's going on with the mailing lists? Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm just curious as to what is going on with the FreeBSD mailing lists. I am suscribed to freebsd-questions and freebsd-chat, but I have not seen any mail for several days. What's going on here? -Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 22 22:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01229 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01224 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:08:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4018.ime.net [209.90.195.28]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id BAA07993 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:08:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:04:45 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Netscape Corp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/bs/story.html?s=v/nm/19981123/bs/netsca pe_5.html This doesn't directly affect FreeBSD.. But Netscape is in talks for AOL to buy them.. I find that weird since AOL contracted Internet Explorer as their integrated web browser. But anyway, I'm scared, don't know bout you guys. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 22 23:40:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09171 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09157 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA07001; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:09:27 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id SAA04525; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:09:18 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981123180918.L430@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:09:18 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Drew Baxter , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com>; from Drew Baxter on Mon, Nov 23, 1998 at 01:04:45AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 23 November 1998 at 1:04:45 -0500, Drew Baxter wrote: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/bs/story.html?s=v/nm/19981123/bs/netsca > pe_5.html Please don't break URLs like this. It makes it impossible to automatically select the page. > This doesn't directly affect FreeBSD.. But Netscape is in talks for AOL to > buy them.. I find that weird since AOL contracted Internet Explorer as > their integrated web browser. > > But anyway, I'm scared, don't know bout you guys. I don't know why you should be shared. If you read this article carefully, it implies that AOL will *stop* using Internet Exploder. Sun seems to be involved too. It looks like it's Microsoft who should be scared. For more information on the subject, see http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/bs/story.html?s=v/nm/19981123/bs/internetaol_1.html. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 03:01:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00239 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.cityip.co.za (ns.cityip.co.za [196.25.223.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00231 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:00:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from wjv by ns.cityip.co.za with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zhtic-0004xW-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:59:46 +0200 Message-ID: <19981123125946.B19032@cityip.co.za> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:59:46 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: Nik Clayton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wanted: mirror program that can 'push' References: <19981117205155.32674@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981117205155.32674@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 08:51:55PM +0000 X-PGP: ftp://ftp.cityip.co.za/users/wjv/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Nov 1998 at 20:51 SAST, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Does anyone know of a decent FTP mirroring program that can push changes > rather than pull them? The website I maintain on my ISP can only be > updated by FTP, I can't telnet in. It would be nice to be able to do > > % cd /path/to/local/copy/of/site > % update > > and go make a cup of coffee while it works out what files on the remote > site are out of sync, and updates them. The 3.x versions of the NcFTP suite contain a binary called ncftpput, which _might_ be adaptable to your needs. -- V Johann Visagie | wjv@CityIP.co.za | Tel: +27 21 419-7878 | ICQ: 20645559 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 05:02:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11945 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 05:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from animaniacs.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA11938; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 05:02:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Received: from localhost (jamie@localhost) by animaniacs.itribe.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA17855; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:01:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:01:34 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: nectar@FreeBSD.ORG cc: David Kelly , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SDSL in Silicon Valley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 nectar@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > So don't use BellSouth.Net. For example, in the Greater New Orleans > area, try a local provider such as Verio. BellSouth's ADSL architecture > really has made the playing field very level for all ISPs (surprising, > I know). Don't be surprised. They are being forced into that position. Welcome to being an FCC regulated monopoly. Bell Atlantic has six months in each new market they enter for testing, then ADSL must be made widely available for usage by all. Jamie Bowden -- Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 07:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25004 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.ints.ml.org (intschool.easynet.co.uk [194.72.37.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24997 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@ints.ml.org) Received: (from stuart@localhost) by bamboo.ints.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14745; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:17:19 GMT (envelope-from stuart) Message-ID: <19981123151719.C13624@helan.org> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:17:19 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson To: kfurge@worldnet.att.net, Lanny Baron Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (Fwd) Info on replacing Windows NT with Linux or FreeBSD References: <199811171731.MAA06543@freedom.cybertouch.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from kfurge@worldnet.att.net on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 08:08:50PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 08:08:50PM -0500, kfurge@worldnet.att.net wrote: > If you're interested in the details for your web site, let me know and I > can create a step-by-step how-to. http://www.boerde.de/~horstf/ has respond (details gleaned from the mgetty+sendfax samples directory, which also has various MSWord macros and so on). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 08:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02555 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02483 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:34:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03312; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:33:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA06998; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:33:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981123173323.P24412@follo.net> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:33:23 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Rob , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What's going on with the mailing lists? References: <199811230155.UAA00286@stratos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199811230155.UAA00286@stratos.net>; from Rob on Sun, Nov 22, 1998 at 08:55:56PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 22, 1998 at 08:55:56PM -0500, Rob wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm just curious as to what is going on with the FreeBSD mailing > lists. I am suscribed to freebsd-questions and freebsd-chat, but I have > not seen any mail for several days. What's going on here? You've most likely fallen off due to too many bounces. This happens sometimes when there is a screw-up at some point in the mail chain. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 08:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02637 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pompano.pcola.gulf.net (pompano.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02630 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:35:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from calvin@pompano.pcola.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (calvin@localhost) by pompano.pcola.gulf.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA14720; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:34:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:34:38 -0600 (CST) From: Calvin M Meloon To: Administrator cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.gulf.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It is temporary. The site had been hacked and someone uploaded 2 gig in warez to the server. I'll be working on it. > > Any idea(s) why ftp.gulf.net no longer allows anonymous FTP logins? I > tried it today (11.22) and was not able to retreive their ips and domains > files for sendmail's SPAM filters. Is this temporary or are the files > located somewhere else now? > > Thanks, > > -mike > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > _____ __ _ / ___/__ _/ / __(_)__ Gulf Coast Internet Calvin M. Meloon / /__/ _ `/ / |/ / / _ \ Pensacola, FL Unix Administrator \___/\_,_/_/|___/_/_//_/ (850)438-5700 writer of code ~~~~ calvin@gulf.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Proponent of FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 10:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01089 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:48:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01084 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4028.ime.net [209.90.195.38]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id NAA08740; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:47:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:44:11 -0500 To: Greg Lehey , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Netscape Corp In-Reply-To: <19981123180918.L430@freebie.lemis.com> References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:09 PM 11/23/98 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Monday, 23 November 1998 at 1:04:45 -0500, Drew Baxter wrote: >> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/bs/story.html?s=v/nm/19981123/bs/netsca >> pe_5.html > >Please don't break URLs like this. It makes it impossible to >automatically select the page. > >> This doesn't directly affect FreeBSD.. But Netscape is in talks for AOL to >> buy them.. I find that weird since AOL contracted Internet Explorer as >> their integrated web browser. >> >> But anyway, I'm scared, don't know bout you guys. > >I don't know why you should be shared. If you read this article >carefully, it implies that AOL will *stop* using Internet Exploder. >Sun seems to be involved too. It looks like it's Microsoft who should >be scared. > >For more information on the subject, see >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/bs/story.html?s=v/nm/19981123/bs/inter netaol_1.html. > >Greg I would imagine the mail client broke it, not me. I can see a good 132 columns here. Microsoft should be. But it seems like AOL is making their own little monopoly. While I respect this method more than Microsoft's (Lets buy into something that has little to do with what we do (Online Services, for instance)), I still don't have to like it.. First ICQ, now Netscape, I'm curious whats next. Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 12:58:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15842 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15833 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA05802; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:03:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199811232103.IAA05802@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on i386 memory model In-Reply-To: from chuck at "Nov 23, 98 03:41:07 pm" To: chuck@iconnet.net (chuck) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:03:35 +1100 (EST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chuck wrote: > > > Yipes! The Color Computer was *NOT* from Coleco ;) It was a 6809-based > box that could run a certain realtime UNIX-derivative (i.e., OS-9) rather > well. Since when has OS-9 had _any_ features that imply "UNIX-derivative"? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 13:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17942 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:12:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fs.IConNet.NET (fs.IConNet.NET [199.173.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17937 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:12:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuck@iconnet.net) Received: from ncc-ws03. (ncc-ws03.IConNet.NET [199.173.160.198]) by fs.IConNet.NET (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id QAA19233; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by ncc-ws03. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA20164; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:13:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:13:36 -0500 (EST) From: chuck X-Sender: chuck@ncc-ws03 To: John Birrell cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on i386 memory model In-Reply-To: <199811232103.IAA05802@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My apologies. It is not a "UNIX-derivative". It is an operating system that shares many characteristics with UNIX. Is that better, semantic man? I swear to Christ that you people will stop at nothing to pick a fight. Chuck Youse - Icon CMT Network Operations Center chuck@iconnet.net On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, John Birrell wrote: > chuck wrote: > > > > > > Yipes! The Color Computer was *NOT* from Coleco ;) It was a 6809-based > > box that could run a certain realtime UNIX-derivative (i.e., OS-9) rather > > well. > > Since when has OS-9 had _any_ features that imply "UNIX-derivative"? > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 13:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18695 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18686 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA05914; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:25:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199811232125.IAA05914@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on i386 memory model In-Reply-To: from chuck at "Nov 23, 98 04:13:36 pm" To: chuck@iconnet.net (chuck) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:25:03 +1100 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chuck wrote: > > My apologies. It is not a "UNIX-derivative". It is an operating system > that shares many characteristics with UNIX. Is that better, semantic man? > > I swear to Christ that you people will stop at nothing to pick a fight. Sorry. I can't stand OS-9. There are so many pieces of code that even work under Windows, but don't work under OS-9. Only in more recent versions of OS-9 has Microware added more C runtime library functions to make a UNIX programmer's like more comfortable. I spent 6 months last year working on a project that used OS-9 on the embedded part of the system and NT on laptops connected by PPP. Yuk, yuk, yuk. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 23 16:38:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10774 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10768 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA44664; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:38:52 -0800 (PST) To: chuck cc: Marius Bendiksen , John Polstra , joelh@gnu.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on i386 memory model In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:41:07 EST." Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:38:51 -0800 Message-ID: <44661.911867931@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Yipes! The Color Computer was *NOT* from Coleco ;) It was a 6809-based Geeze, one little slip.. OK, the Color Computer was indeed not from Coleco, it was from Tandy (or whomever they rebadged it from as the "TRS-80 color computer") and the Adam was from Coleco. Sheesh. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 00:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21630 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:17:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA21622 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:17:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id KFRMDSQJ; Tue, 24 Nov 98 08:17:17 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981124091705.00940cf0@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:17:05 +0100 To: Eivind Eklund , Rob , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: What's going on with the mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <19981123173323.P24412@follo.net> References: <199811230155.UAA00286@stratos.net> <199811230155.UAA00286@stratos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >You've most likely fallen off due to too many bounces. This happens >sometimes when there is a screw-up at some point in the mail chain. How does one test for this condition? I've only seen marginal traffic lately. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 00:26:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22186 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22175 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:26:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA29517; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:25:52 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981124192549.60155@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:25:49 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Marius Bendiksen Cc: Eivind Eklund , Rob , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What's going on with the mailing lists? References: <199811230155.UAA00286@stratos.net> <199811230155.UAA00286@stratos.net> <19981123173323.P24412@follo.net> <3.0.5.32.19981124091705.00940cf0@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981124091705.00940cf0@mail.scancall.no>; from Marius Bendiksen on Tue, Nov 24, 1998 at 09:17:05AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 24, 1998 at 09:17:05AM +0100, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > >You've most likely fallen off due to too many bounces. This happens > >sometimes when there is a screw-up at some point in the mail chain. > > How does one test for this condition? I've only seen marginal traffic lately. Try to subscribe to the list. You'll either get a note to confirm your "new" subscription, or Majordomo will politely inform you that you're already subscribed. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 00:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23038 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:35:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23033 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:35:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0ziDwl-0006dA-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:35:45 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA01636; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:35:00 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02547; Tue, 24 Nov 98 08:34:59 GMT Message-Id: <365A5FD5.FB1757F2@uk.radan.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:27:17 +0000 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Baxter Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter wrote: > > Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into > the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger > (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. > But you can disable it :-) > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath, Avon, England. Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 04:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15817 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15812 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:38:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris ([209.90.195.38]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id QAA08884; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:05:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981123155805.00a13100@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:58:44 -0500 To: John Birrell , chuck@iconnet.net (chuck) From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: FreeBSD on i386 memory model Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199811232103.IAA05802@cimlogic.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:03 AM 11/24/98 +1100, John Birrell wrote: >chuck wrote: >> >> >> Yipes! The Color Computer was *NOT* from Coleco ;) It was a 6809-based >> box that could run a certain realtime UNIX-derivative (i.e., OS-9) rather >> well. > >Since when has OS-9 had _any_ features that imply "UNIX-derivative"? Not sure.. I'd refer to the Atari running MINT OS before I'd bring OS-9 into it.. OS-9 reminds me of Apple's ProDOS. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 11:15:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25330 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pc196s233r1.jancomulti.com (pc196s233r1.jancomulti.com [195.139.233.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25319 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paalsom@ifi.uio.no) Received: from ifi.uio.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc196s233r1.jancomulti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05788; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:15:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from paalsom@ifi.uio.no) Message-ID: <365B05B4.9D720B21@ifi.uio.no> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:15:00 +0100 From: "Pål Sommerhein" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Baxter CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter wrote: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/bs/story.html?s=v/nm/19981123/bs/netsca > pe_5.html > > This doesn't directly affect FreeBSD.. But Netscape is in talks for AOL to > buy them.. 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To remove yourself from this mailing list please reply to this message with "Remove" in the subject field. ------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 19:15:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16019 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:15:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15998 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (Droobie.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.100]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id WAA10680; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:13:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:09:03 -0500 To: Mark Ovens From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Netscape Corp Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <365A5FD5.FB1757F2@uk.radan.com> References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:27 AM 11/24/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: >Drew Baxter wrote: >> >> Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into >> the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger >> (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. >> > >But you can disable it :-) > Sure if you want to plunge into the registry. I found that to be inconveniencing when I was hyperblasting 5 Sony's to have to go duke out the registry to nuke the Realplayer SmartStart and the copy of AIM.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 20:58:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24190 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freedom.cybertouch.org (h24-64-143-218.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.143.218] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24181 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beef@freedom.cybertouch.org) Received: from localhost (beef@localhost) by freedom.cybertouch.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00433; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:57:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from beef@freedom.cybertouch.org) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: Lanny Baron To: Drew Baxter cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why waste your time with AoL. Better off to help promote the Great name of FREEBSD and as far as the aol netmassager or what ever those morons call it. To me, its like sticking a pickle up my tush. I didnt want, I dont want, why should it reside on my property (my pc) if i dont want it there? Bastards. Why doesnt CDROM.COM get AOL to force there users to take lessons and learn how to really use a pc? well back to work on Freedom NetWare Servers... lanny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 24 23:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06902 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06895 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:46:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0ziZet-0003la-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:46:44 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA01433; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:46:06 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01067; Wed, 25 Nov 98 07:46:05 GMT Message-Id: <365BB58F.D7CC2410@uk.radan.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:45:19 +0000 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Baxter Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter wrote: > > At 07:27 AM 11/24/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > >Drew Baxter wrote: > >> > >> Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into > >> the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger > >> (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. > >> > > > >But you can disable it :-) > > > > Sure if you want to plunge into the registry. Not so. From any Communicator window select Communicator -> AOL Instant Messenger, then in the set-up dialogue box (if you get a box first asking what type of connection you have, just click cancel) select the ``misc'' tab and un-check ``Start AIM when Windows starts''. Voila, no AOL Instant Messenger :-) > I found that to be > inconveniencing when I was hyperblasting 5 Sony's to have to go duke out > the registry to nuke the Realplayer SmartStart and the copy of AIM.. > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA > http://www.droo.orland.me.us -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath, Avon, England. Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 01:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14905 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.ints.ml.org (intschool.easynet.co.uk [194.72.37.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14813 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:38:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@ints.ml.org) Received: (from stuart@localhost) by bamboo.ints.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23815; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:40:05 GMT (envelope-from stuart) Message-ID: <19981125094005.B23729@helan.org> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:40:05 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson To: Mark Ovens , Drew Baxter Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> <365BB58F.D7CC2410@uk.radan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <365BB58F.D7CC2410@uk.radan.com>; from Mark Ovens on Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 07:45:19AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >> Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into > > >> the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger > > >> (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. > > > > > >But you can disable it :-) > > > > Sure if you want to plunge into the registry. > > Not so. From any Communicator window select Communicator -> AOL > Instant Messenger, then in the set-up dialogue box (if you get a box > first asking what type of connection you have, just click cancel) > select the ``misc'' tab and un-check ``Start AIM when Windows > starts''. Voila, no AOL Instant Messenger :-) Unfortunately that only disables it for the user profile you're logged in as; if you want to disable it from a PC with multiple users you have to blast it in the registry or delete the .exe file. They could at least supply a .reg file to do the job for you... One thing that may come out of this - AOL's web server is actually quite interesting. Embedded tcl and database access and it seems pretty speedy in use at photo.net...hopefully they'll be able to revitalise some of the Netscape servers. Also it would be nice if some of the AOLPress features could be integrated into Composer (which has a better UI) - AOL's not the ideal owner but things could have been a lot worse. At least the AOL CD's will have Netscape on. Hopefully they can be persuaded to put versions for multiple OS on them, now if AOL start sending out CD's that say, Linux version, FreeBSD version, blah blah blah, it will do a lot for publicity of OSS. Who knows? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 03:25:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23831 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23826 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:25:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA50388; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:25:34 -0800 (PST) To: Lanny Baron cc: Drew Baxter , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:57:55 EST." Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:25:34 -0800 Message-ID: <50384.911993134@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Why doesnt CDROM.COM get AOL to force there users to take lessons and > learn how to really use a pc? That's got to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen all week. As if there was enough duct tape, electrical cable, KY jelly and whipped cream to make something like this even logistically possible! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 03:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24168 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:29:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA24163 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id KGLQWADJ; Wed, 25 Nov 98 11:28:50 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981125122835.00947c30@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:28:35 +0100 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Lanny Baron From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: Netscape Corp Cc: Drew Baxter , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <50384.911993134@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA24164 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >That's got to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen all >week. As if there was enough duct tape, electrical cable, KY jelly >and whipped cream to make something like this even logistically >possible! =) Don't forget razors and barbed wire :) .oO[¨ Marius Bendiksen ¨]Oo. Dead girls don't say no. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 08:22:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18250 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18244 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25629; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:22:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19981125082204.A25591@mooseriver.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:22:04 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: announce@bafug.org Subject: FreeBSD Install-a-thon Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Install-a-thon BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) will hold it's monthly install-a-thon in conjunction with the Robert Austin computer show on November 28th at the Cow Palace in Daly City. The purpose of these install-a-thons is for new and experienced user to meet and solve problem they are having with FreeBSD. It is also a time to promote FreeBSD to potential users. The Cow Palace is in Daly City on the corner of Geneva and Santos. Admission to the show is free but parking is $5.00. Street parking is available but _VERY_ limited. The show hours are 10:00am to 4:00pm. We will be meeting at the Cow Palace at 9:00am to setup and will be there till 4 when the show closes. Tear down usually takes about 30 minutes. If you are interested in helping please contact Josef Grosch - jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Nicole Harrington - nicole@mediacity.com Ian Kallen - ian@gamespot.com Jan Koum - jkb@best.com More information about the show can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Install.html -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 08:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19232 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:35:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19208 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:35:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25661; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19981125083331.C25591@mooseriver.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:33:31 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Lanny Baron Cc: Drew Baxter , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <50384.911993134@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <50384.911993134@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 03:25:34AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 03:25:34AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Why doesnt CDROM.COM get AOL to force there users to take lessons and > > learn how to really use a pc? > > That's got to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen all > week. As if there was enough duct tape, electrical cable, KY jelly > and whipped cream to make something like this even logistically > possible! OH! This sounds like fun! Sign me up for this ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 10:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27378 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27372 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:32:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4047.ime.net [209.90.195.57]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id NAA12270; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:31:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981125132641.00aef530@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:27:12 -0500 To: Mark Ovens From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Netscape Corp Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <365BB58F.D7CC2410@uk.radan.com> References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:45 AM 11/25/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: >Drew Baxter wrote: >> >> At 07:27 AM 11/24/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: >> >Drew Baxter wrote: >> >> >> >> Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into >> >> the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger >> >> (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. >> >> >> > >> >But you can disable it :-) >> > >> >> Sure if you want to plunge into the registry. > >Not so. From any Communicator window select Communicator -> AOL >Instant Messenger, then in the set-up dialogue box (if you get a box >first asking what type of connection you have, just click cancel) >select the ``misc'' tab and un-check ``Start AIM when Windows >starts''. Voila, no AOL Instant Messenger :-) But why can't I just go and find it under 'additional components' during a custom setup and nuke it that way? That's what I think is stupid. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 11:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02783 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:37:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-215.airnet.net [207.242.81.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02772 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:37:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02004 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:33:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <365C5B9A.9251D831@airnet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:33:46 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981125132641.00aef530@genesis.ispace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter wrote: > > At 07:45 AM 11/25/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > >Drew Baxter wrote: > >> > >> At 07:27 AM 11/24/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > >> >Drew Baxter wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into > >> >> the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger > >> >> (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. > >> >> > >> > > >> >But you can disable it :-) > >> > > >> > >> Sure if you want to plunge into the registry. > > > >Not so. From any Communicator window select Communicator -> AOL > >Instant Messenger, then in the set-up dialogue box (if you get a box > >first asking what type of connection you have, just click cancel) > >select the ``misc'' tab and un-check ``Start AIM when Windows > >starts''. Voila, no AOL Instant Messenger :-) > > But why can't I just go and find it under 'additional components' during a > custom setup and nuke it that way? That's what I think is stupid. I just hope they don't get the silly idea to port IM to Un*x. I always liked the independence from AOL's crap and Microshaft's. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 11:42:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03132 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:42:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03100 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:41:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4047.ime.net [209.90.195.57]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id OAA12332; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:41:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981125143657.00b654f0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:37:15 -0500 To: Kris Kirby , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Netscape Corp In-Reply-To: <365C5B9A.9251D831@airnet.net> References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981125132641.00aef530@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:33 PM 11/25/98 -0600, Kris Kirby wrote: >Drew Baxter wrote: >> >> At 07:45 AM 11/25/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: >> >Drew Baxter wrote: >> >> >> >> At 07:27 AM 11/24/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: >> >> >Drew Baxter wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into >> >> >> the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger >> >> >> (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >But you can disable it :-) >> >> > >> >> >> >> Sure if you want to plunge into the registry. >> > >> >Not so. From any Communicator window select Communicator -> AOL >> >Instant Messenger, then in the set-up dialogue box (if you get a box >> >first asking what type of connection you have, just click cancel) >> >select the ``misc'' tab and un-check ``Start AIM when Windows >> >starts''. Voila, no AOL Instant Messenger :-) >> >> But why can't I just go and find it under 'additional components' during a >> custom setup and nuke it that way? That's what I think is stupid. > >I just hope they don't get the silly idea to port IM to Un*x. I always >liked the independence from AOL's crap and Microshaft's. They don't have to port it, they have a Java version. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 13:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11359 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:08:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11354 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:08:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zimA7-0000Qs-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:07:48 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA00806; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:06:58 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (rasnt-1) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15271; Wed, 25 Nov 98 21:06:54 GMT Message-Id: <365C70FC.68EAA170@uk.radan.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:05:00 +0000 From: Mark Ovens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Baxter Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981125132641.00aef530@genesis.ispace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter wrote: > > At 07:45 AM 11/25/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > >Drew Baxter wrote: > >> > >> At 07:27 AM 11/24/98 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > >> >Drew Baxter wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Also I don't want to see AOL intermeshed and woven into > >> >> the Netscape package, which it already includes AOL Instant Messenger > >> >> (which you cannot pick to not install) with the Win32 installations. > >> >> > >> > > >> >But you can disable it :-) > >> > > >> > >> Sure if you want to plunge into the registry. > > > >Not so. From any Communicator window select Communicator -> AOL > >Instant Messenger, then in the set-up dialogue box (if you get a box > >first asking what type of connection you have, just click cancel) > >select the ``misc'' tab and un-check ``Start AIM when Windows > >starts''. Voila, no AOL Instant Messenger :-) > > But why can't I just go and find it under 'additional components' during a > custom setup and nuke it that way? That's what I think is stupid. > I would agree, you should be able to choose whether to install it or not. But given that you can't, at least there is the ability to disable it, although this might be a real PITA for a system with multiple users. > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.uk.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 15:37:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27929 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27908; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:37:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA14546; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA01756; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:32:57 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id QAA20453; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:32:56 -0700 Message-ID: <365C93A8.95E3C591@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:32:56 -0700 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux to be deployed in Mexican schools; Where wasFreeBSD? References: <3213.912034895@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > ... we might as well switch to a more productive and amusing > line of bizarre claims, like whether or not the russians were the > first to invent television or if the Pentium II processor is really > alien technology from Area 51. Jordan, Jordan, how many times do I have to explain this to you? The Pentium II was invented in Area *54*, which is somewhat north and west of Area 51. Area 54 is part of a secret Air Force installation at Hillsboro Air Force Base, which has been cleverly disguised to look like a small private airport from the outside. ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 25 23:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04432 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:22:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-216.airnet.net [207.242.81.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04201 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:21:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01013; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:14:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <365CFFED.47D2FABF@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:14:53 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Another canidate for fortune? (Was: Re: Linux to be deployed in Mexican schools; Where was FreeBSD?) References: <1045.912060795@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Tell you what, Jordan: If you're ever hit by a car, remind me to blame > > you for leaving the house. > > > > Assuming that I was hit by the car while crossing the street outside a > cross-walk and without looking first, this is a good analogy if you > don't quibble about the fact that the blame would more correctly fall > upon my failure to look where I was going than on the act of simply > leaving my house. It also supports my point, however, so I guess I'd > also have to thank you for the fine analogy and congradulate you on > finally getting the idea after having so many people attempt (and > fail) to inject it directly into your head with the aid of particle > accellerators and such. > > If you're using getting hit by a car as symbology for "a random act of > god", on the other hand, then it's unfortunately a rather poor analogy > on account of the fact that it a) shows a fundamental lack of > understanding about what precipitates the great majority of auto > accidents (driver error) and b) incorrectly equates the perils of > system administration with that of random meteor impacts and other > events completely outside one's control. A good system administrator > has a great deal more control over their environment than that and can > take a wide variety of preventive measures not available to the > Extinction Event Scenario folks in order to prevent situations exactly > like yours from occurring at all. > > Oh yeah, and transitive closure over a virtualized interface boundry. > I almost forgot that bit. > > IMHO, very funny. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 26 00:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08806 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08801 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id KHCHTPLJ; Thu, 26 Nov 98 08:30:25 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981126093008.009ba670@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:30:08 +0100 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: Linux to be deployed in Mexican schools; Where wasFreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3213.912034895@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id AAA08802 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >line of bizarre claims, like whether or not the russians were the >first to invent television or if the Pentium II processor is really >alien technology from Area 51. Hardly. The Sparc may have been; the Pentium II?? .oO[¨ Marius Bendiksen ¨]Oo. Dead girls don't say no. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 26 06:13:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02434 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02425 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zj2AV-0006ab-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:13:17 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA02936 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:12:47 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12854; Thu, 26 Nov 98 14:12:44 GMT Message-Id: <365D61AF.FCF53FA8@uk.radan.com> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:11:59 +0000 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The truth about NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not really a FreeBSD topic, but amusing all the same. I've just found an old (Spring 1994) copy of the Sun UK User Group magazine. The News section contained the following item... "Sun has re-considered the platform it will use to 'productize' NT on. It will be using the 64-bit UltraSPARC processor instead of SuperSPARC II. The UltraSPARC chip is [..tech details snipped..]. It appears that NT could do with all the help it get. The French journal 'INFORMATIQUE' recently published an in-depth article under the headline: 'Windows-NT, does it have a future?'. The conclusion is that NT is a terminal case, crippled by glaring bugs, basic design flaws and rejection by the marketplace. I've never used it, so couldn't comment." Hmm. The only thing that seems to have changed in four years is that Sun are no longer 'productizing' NT :-) -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath, Avon, England. Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 26 12:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00692 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00685 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:12:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.181]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA6CD0; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:12:14 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <365D61AF.FCF53FA8@uk.radan.com> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 21:17:09 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Mark Ovens Subject: RE: The truth about NT Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Nov-98 Mark Ovens wrote: > Not really a FreeBSD topic, but amusing all the same. > > I've just found an old (Spring 1994) copy of the Sun UK User Group > magazine. The News section contained the following item... > > "Sun has re-considered the platform it will use to > 'productize' NT on. It will be using the 64-bit > UltraSPARC processor instead of SuperSPARC II. The > UltraSPARC chip is [..tech details snipped..]. It > appears that NT could do with all the help it get. > The French journal 'INFORMATIQUE' recently published > an in-depth article under the headline: 'Windows-NT, > does it have a future?'. The conclusion is that NT > is a terminal case, crippled by glaring bugs, basic > design flaws and rejection by the marketplace. I've > never used it, so couldn't comment." On a sidenote, from the Dutch version of C'T: NT 5: Over 50 reasons for rebooting the computer have been removed in NT 5, it is now possible to add protocols to a networkcard without rebooting the server because of such minimalistic changes. 400! most feared memoryleaks have been fixed as well as 40 causes for BSoD's (Blue Screens of Death). Also, they will be making ONE version with combined with tha language pack allows every user to login and then use their language of choice during their session. They tested it and ran Japanese, English and German without having to reboot... Although I hate NT by now for it's lack of RFC compliance and utter disrespect for OpenSource I have to day that The Beast from Redmond hasn't been idle... Also, their IPv6 product is currently in it's alpha stages... Slight call to arms about IPv6? --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message