From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 29 12:05:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28397 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:05:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28380 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gummibear@we.mediaone.net) From: gummibear@we.mediaone.net Received: from ale.we.mediaone.net (we-24-130-60-145.we.mediaone.net [24.130.60.145]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA13744 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:04:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981129120909.006a629c@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:09:09 -0800 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape Corp In-Reply-To: <365C5B9A.9251D831@airnet.net> References: <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123010402.00adf100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981123134143.00ae4100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981124220824.00ae8a50@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981125132641.00aef530@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:33 PM 11/25/98 -0600, Kris Kirby wrote: >I just hope they don't get the silly idea to port IM to Un*x. I always >liked the independence from AOL's crap and Microshaft's. Actually, there's a TCL/TK version of Instant Messenger (called Tik) for Unix. It works pretty good because my gf uses it under her account here at home. Heh, although this is probably something you didn't want to know. Sorry for letting you know. *grin* http://www.aim.aol.com/tik/ /* Just to let you know, I don't use it my gf does */ Joey >-- >Kris Kirby >UAH Mail UAH CS >Home WWW >------------------------------------------- >TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 05:33:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26509 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp7.portal.net.au [202.12.71.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26504 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00385; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811290843.AAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:28:40 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:43:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sometime ago I asked folks about NC's. Now I am back. Once again I am > armed with just enough info to be dangerous. Flee! > Would you recommend using diskless workstations? Would you rather be shot? > I have read what the vendor's have to say but I would like to hear your > advice. Yes and no. There are pros and cons to both arrangements; the basic tradeoff is centralisation vs. performance. > It seems that running diskless has a serious advantage of using the same > disk space for all of the programs that all the users need. 100baseT can > compete with UW-SCSI bit for bit on bandwidth. No it can't. And NFS doesn't compete for latency. But many users don't need that sort of filesystem throughput. > The only disadvantage that I can see is that the organization depends > utterly on the network and the fileserver. I think that any organization > that depends heavily on networking is stuck with this anyway. Indeed. You can address some of the performance issues with dataless, rather than diskless, workstations (local OS copy, local config replicated on a regular basis from a master server, apps and user data mounted via NFS). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 05:52:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28286 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:52:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28269 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:52:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03803; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:52:35 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA12117; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:52:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981130145233.H9226@follo.net> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:52:33 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith , "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations References: <199811290843.AAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199811290843.AAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 12:43:40AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 12:43:40AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > The only disadvantage that I can see is that the organization depends > > utterly on the network and the fileserver. I think that any organization > > that depends heavily on networking is stuck with this anyway. > > Indeed. You can address some of the performance issues with dataless, > rather than diskless, workstations (local OS copy, local config > replicated on a regular basis from a master server, apps and user data > mounted via NFS). With Coda coming up, it should be possible to do this configuration more easily, using a local disk as a filesystem-managed cache. One of the great advantages of Coda. (It will especially be an advantage if you can turn off the disconnected operation support in Coda; I suspect you can.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 09:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18271 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.93.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18253 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:33:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16047; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:32:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:32:33 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Mike Smith cc: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <199811290843.AAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Indeed. You can address some of the performance issues with dataless, > rather than diskless, workstations (local OS copy, local config > replicated on a regular basis from a master server, apps and user data > mounted via NFS). I personally prefer an almost-diskless-workstation. That is, one that has a local disk but uses it only to bootstrap the boot process, and then for swap/cache space. With an on-disk cache with Coda or AFS, things perform very reasonably. I have not had a chance to try to set up one of these using Coda, but I might get around to it in a few weeks (once 5.0 of Coda is out). Coda is not ready for production use yet, but we're getting there. Given the success of such arrangements over AFS, I would anticipate that Coda could handle it quite well. The only problem with the arrangement may be the requirement for setuid binaries locally on workstation disks. Multiplatform distributed file systems with their own authentication/authorization scheme are not really compatible with the concept of a setuid binary. So one has the choice of eliminating setuid binaries (quite reasonable on a diskless x workstation -- no need for mail delivery, local password changing, etc, assuming we get /proc in good enough shape). For the uninitiated on the list, http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ is a good source of information. Robert N Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: 03 01 DD 8E 15 67 48 73 25 6D 10 FC EC 68 C1 1C Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ TIS Labs at Network Associates, Inc. http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 11:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04010 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:40:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orcrist.mediacity.com (orcrist.mediacity.com [208.138.36.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04001 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@orcrist.mediacity.com) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by orcrist.mediacity.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03203 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:40:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter) Message-ID: <19981130114037.D9784@orcrist.mediacity.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:40:37 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [im@witzend.nu: [spamtools] ORBS is going away] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, It looks like ORBS is having some real problems. It would really be shameful if one telco was allowed to punish the entire net... ----- Forwarded message from Alan Hodgson ----- Message-ID: <19981130111709.07195@simkin.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:17:09 -0800 From: Alan Hodgson To: spamtools@abuse.net Subject: [spamtools] ORBS is going away X-PGP-Key: https://www.simkin.com/ahodgson.asc It is with sincere regret that I am forced to announce the demise of the dorkslayers.com Open Relay Blocking System (ORBS). My upstream provider, BC Tel (the local phone company), has decided that the mechanism ORBS uses to test open relays (ie. one or a few small relay tests) constitutes, without prior agreement from the the site to be tested, Network Abuse. As such, ORBS is now unwelcome anywhere on BC Tel's backbone. You may write abuse@bctel.net to comment on this position, if you'd like. Obviously ORBS cannot function if I have to receive approval from each site prior to testing them. At least, that's what BC Tel claims their demand for killing ORBS is based on (personally, I think they just don't like having to answer the odd abuse complaint; they can't actually be that ignorant). Unfortunately, through predatory pricing and other phone-companyish techniques, BC Tel provides the sole connectivity to 80-90% of the ISP's here in Vancouver. This includes _all_ the local ISP's who I have contacts with and who would be willing to host ORBS, as well as my employer, who has asked me to remove ORBS from their network due to BC Tel's demands (and some legal concerns due to our relationship). As such, without actually paying for a co-locate or bandwidth contact, ORBS is now not able to live in Vancouver. I am not prepared to make that financial commitment to ORBS. I have known that my employer wishes ORBS gone for some time. I had co-located a server with another ISP and was moving the final pieces of ORBS to them this weekend when I found out the extent of BC Tel's objection to ORBS. As I did not wish to get the new ISP into a fight with BC Tel over a non-paying customer, I cancelled the move (most of their employees are ex-coworkers from a previous job). A site I had previously arranged a home with does not receive connectivity from BC Tel, but the guy I knew there left at an inopportune moment. He and I actually jointly built the server that is now installed at the latest ISP who, unfortunately, does receive connectivity from BC Tel. It's been a stressful 6 weeks, put it that way. Anyway, unless BC Tel changes their mind in the near future, or an ISP in Vancouver who does not receive connectivity from BC Tel offers to provide ORBS with a free home, ORBS is dead. The web site will disappear today. The DNS zone will be emptied today and the zone will completely disappear in the near future. I strongly recommend that you disable ORBS in your MTA and local configurations as soon as possible to avoid any potential problems. Those of you who provide official slave sites for ORBS, please don't disable the zone for at least 2 weeks. I'll try to get in touch with you before then to arrange disposition of the zone. If anyone wishes to take over ORBS I will happily provide them with the database, web site, domain names (I recently registered ORBS.ORG and was in the process of migrating to it), scripts and technical help to get it all installed and running. I will also be available for on-going help if desired (this might be good - getting rid of day-to-day maintenance would give me a chance to focus on improvements to the testing mechanism and stuff I've been meaning to do). Please contact me privately if interested. You will need at least a pentium-class system running UNIX of some sort (everything is written in Perl except one C script that has been tested on both Linux and NetBSD), Apache, BIND 8.1.x, a database with a DBI module, 20-30MB of free RAM, and probably 25% of a T1 connection to adequately host the site and serve zone transfers. If no one steps forward, however, ORBS will be gone forever. It's been fun, folks. Thanks once again to everyone who has written over the last 6 months with words of advice and support. You've made the abusive and clueless messages from blocked relay sites more bearable. Thanks also to everyone who has supported ORBS, through providing slave name servers, including support for ORBS in their products, etc. I understand that the latest Sendmail distribution even has ORBS support. I very sincerely apologize to all of you who will thus be impacted by the dissolution of ORBS. At least we got a few relays closed down and raised awareness of the problem to a new level. Please, if you know any sites that are using ORBS who may not receive this notice through the standard channels, can you let them know of of this announcement ASAP. I would like to minimize the problems associated with this change as much as possible. I already feel about as bad as I can stand - finding out this change caused undue mail disruptions to anyone (other than the obvious increase in incoming spam) would be very bad news indeed. A few statistics from the 6 months of ORBS operation: Open relays currently listed by ORBS: 48636 (this appears to have levelled off about a month ago, it's been fluctating between 47,000 and 50,000 ever since) Relays reported as closed and tested as closed after being added to ORBS: ~15,000 (no idea how many fixed their relays because of ORBS, but it's still pretty impressive) Largest providers still operating known open relays: Netcom, MSN, GTE Average claim of amount of spam blocked by ORBS on sites using it: 55-60% -- Alan ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Gregory S. Sutter My reality check just bounced. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 12:06:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08059 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08052 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul10.u.washington.edu (root@saul10.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.73]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA19544; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:06:35 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul10.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA12918; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:06:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Mike Smith cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <199811290843.AAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >> Jason Wrote: >> Sometime ago I asked folks about NC's. Now I am back. Once again I am >> armed with just enough info to be dangerous. > >Flee! :) >> It seems that running diskless has a serious advantage of using the same >> disk space for all of the programs that all the users need. 100baseT can >> compete with UW-SCSI bit for bit on bandwidth. > >No it can't. And NFS doesn't compete for latency. But many users >don't need that sort of filesystem throughput. If 100 Mbps => 80 Mbps then 100bT is as good or better than UW-SCSI on bandwidth. This is what I based my statement on. It appears that I have a concept error somehow. The numbers look right to me. Can someone steer me straight? Thanks for the insight from all who replied. I sent that email some time ago. Is the list only now receiving it? Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 12:40:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12434 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:40:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from animaniacs.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12422 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Received: from localhost (jamie@localhost) by animaniacs.itribe.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA05967; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:40:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: Mike Smith , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >No it can't. And NFS doesn't compete for latency. But many users > >don't need that sort of filesystem throughput. > > If 100 Mbps => 80 Mbps then 100bT is as good or better than UW-SCSI on > bandwidth. This is what I based my statement on. It appears that I have a > concept error somehow. The numbers look right to me. Can someone steer me > straight? SCSI measures throughput in Megabytes/s, not Megabits/s. Jamie Bowden -- Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 13:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17189 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:21:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from animaniacs.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17180 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Received: from localhost (jamie@localhost) by animaniacs.itribe.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA06057; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:21:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:21:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > >No it can't. And NFS doesn't compete for latency. But many users > > >don't need that sort of filesystem throughput. > > > > If 100 Mbps => 80 Mbps then 100bT is as good or better than UW-SCSI on > > bandwidth. This is what I based my statement on. It appears that I have a > > concept error somehow. The numbers look right to me. Can someone steer me > > straight? > > SCSI measures throughput in Megabytes/s, not Megabits/s. And as a note I missed the first time, UW is 40MB/s, not 80MB/s. Jamie Bowden -- Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 13:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17541 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17536 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25221; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:25:07 -0800 (PST) To: Gregory Sutter cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [im@witzend.nu: [spamtools] ORBS is going away] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:40:37 PST." <19981130114037.D9784@orcrist.mediacity.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:25:07 -0800 Message-ID: <25217.912461107@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It looks like ORBS is having some real problems. It would really > be shameful if one telco was allowed to punish the entire net... The ORBS people are dweebs who have no clue about running services like this - my first contact with them was to receive 6 (or more) copies of an automated message which wasn't even sent to the proper parties (it was spamming all likely admin addresses). I believe freebsd.org and cdrom.com are (were) still blocked by them based on an open relay which has long since been shut. As far as I'm concerned, their ISP had the right idea and GOOD RIDDANCE to "the dorkslayers." Leave spam blocking organizational efforts to those who are halfway competent or risk tarnishing the reputation of the whole movement, I say. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 13:49:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20654 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:49:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (crbowman.erols.com [209.122.47.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20640 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:49:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from fermion (fermion [10.0.1.2]) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04765; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:12:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Message-Id: <199811302212.RAA04765@quark.ChrisBowman.com> X-Sender: crb@quark X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:53 -0500 To: "Jason C. Wells" From: "Christopher R. Bowman" Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations Cc: Mike Smith , FreeBSD-chat In-Reply-To: References: <199811290843.AAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:06 PM 11/30/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > >>> Jason Wrote: >>> Sometime ago I asked folks about NC's. Now I am back. Once again I am >>> armed with just enough info to be dangerous. >> >>Flee! > >:) > >>> It seems that running diskless has a serious advantage of using the same >>> disk space for all of the programs that all the users need. 100baseT can >>> compete with UW-SCSI bit for bit on bandwidth. >> >>No it can't. And NFS doesn't compete for latency. But many users >>don't need that sort of filesystem throughput. > >If 100 Mbps => 80 Mbps then 100bT is as good or better than UW-SCSI on >bandwidth. This is what I based my statement on. It appears that I have a >concept error somehow. The numbers look right to me. Can someone steer me >straight? Uh, where does 80Mbps come from? SCSI is 5 Mhz, Fast SCSI is 10Mhz, Ultra is 20 Mhz, times 1 byte for Narrow or 2 bytes for Wide. So Ultra and Wide SCSI should be 40 MByes/sec or 320 Mbps not 80Mbps. Maybe you are thinking U2W which is 80 MBps or 640Mbps. So 100BTX isn't better than UltraWide SCSI. Of course this all ignores transaction overhead, packet overhead, inter packet space and realistic models of the latencies and bandwidths of the devices on the other end. It is just a rough theoretical max throughput. -------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com http://www.ChrisBowman.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 15:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04676 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:40:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp7.portal.net.au [202.12.71.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04634 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:40:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06488; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811302338.PAA06488@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: Mike Smith , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:06:08 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:38:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> It seems that running diskless has a serious advantage of using the same > >> disk space for all of the programs that all the users need. 100baseT can > >> compete with UW-SCSI bit for bit on bandwidth. > > > >No it can't. And NFS doesn't compete for latency. But many users > >don't need that sort of filesystem throughput. > > If 100 Mbps => 80 Mbps then 100bT is as good or better than UW-SCSI on > bandwidth. This is what I based my statement on. It appears that I have a > concept error somehow. The numbers look right to me. Can someone steer me > straight? Mb != MB. Wide SCSI at 40MHz gives 80MB/sec. 100Mbps ethernet may give you as much as 9MB/sec over NFS (if you're very lucky). > Thanks for the insight from all who replied. I sent that email some time > ago. Is the list only now receiving it? No, I'm just working through the backlog that a week at Comdex built up, and attacking some more of my outstanding backlog. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 17:17:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19891 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:17:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19880 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:17:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA48657 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:15:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: anyone answer a Digital Unix question? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Note this is chat, I can ask questions about Afghanistan here. I got asked about a linking problem on the class cluster here, because student exectables on 'hello world' type things are coming up 8 megs in size. I took a look in /usr/lib, and found all the libs were softlinked from ../ccs/lib, but there, they were ALL static libs. This is Digital Unix V4.0, that's normal, or is this an incredible screwup by whoever installed this thing? I mean, the total lack of shared libs seems more than a little bit weird for the 90's. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 30 17:56:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25317 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:56:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25310 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:56:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from kiwi.pinnacle.co.nz (kiwi.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.2]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA10146; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:51:52 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:51:52 +1300 (NZDT) From: Jonathan Chen To: Chuck Robey cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: anyone answer a Digital Unix question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > Note this is chat, I can ask questions about Afghanistan here. > > I got asked about a linking problem on the class cluster here, because > student exectables on 'hello world' type things are coming up 8 megs in > size. I took a look in /usr/lib, and found all the libs were softlinked > from ../ccs/lib, but there, they were ALL static libs. This is > Digital Unix V4.0, that's normal, or is this an incredible screwup by > whoever installed this thing? I mean, the total lack of shared libs > seems more than a little bit weird for the 90's. The shared libs reside in /usr/shlib. -- Jonathan Chen | "Vini, vidi, velcro... | I came, I saw, I stuck around" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 1 06:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01324 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01277 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bs@adimus.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id OAA22459; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:55:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail by mx.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zkq86-000021-00; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:46:14 +0100 Received: from det.adimus.de(192.168.0.1) via SMTP by adimus.de, id smtpdZpO105; Tue Dec 1 14:46:12 1998 Received: from bs by det.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zkpit-00015E-00; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:20:11 +0100 To: "Christopher R. Bowman" Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , Mike Smith , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Diskless Workstations References: <199811290843.AAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com> <199811302212.RAA04765@quark.ChrisBowman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benedikt Stockebrand Date: 01 Dec 1998 14:20:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Christopher R. Bowman"'s message of "Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:53 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Christopher R. Bowman" writes: > Of course this all ignores transaction overhead, packet overhead, inter packet > space and realistic models of the latencies and bandwidths of the devices on > the other end. It is just a rough theoretical max throughput. And a server usually serves multiple clients. Even on a switched net all this traffic has to go through a single 100 Mbps link between switch and server. This doesn't sound like a problem since most clients would spend little of their time on disk/network I/O. But as soon as some of them start to swap over the net this is a pain in the behind for everyone... So long, Ben -- Benedikt Stockebrand Adimus Beratungsgesellschaft für System- System Administration & Design, und Netzwerkadministration mbH & Co KG IT Security, Remote System Mgmt Universitätsstr. 142, 44799 Bochum Opinions presented are my own. Tel. (02 34) 971 971 -2, Fax -9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 02:53:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05477 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 02:53:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from root.com (root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05462 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 02:53:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@root.com) Received: from root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06485; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 02:54:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812021054.CAA06485@root.com> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: tech@cdrom.com Subject: another wcarchive record From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 02:54:57 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ...another new traffic record for wcarchive. This beat the old one by about 45GB. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: burden@web1.cdrom.com Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [209.155.82.18]) by root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05343 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from web1.cdrom.com (web1.cdrom.com [209.155.82.19]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA39826 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from burden@localhost) by web1.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03583 for ftp-stats@ftp.cdrom.com; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:03:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from burden) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:03:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Burden Message-Id: <199812020903.BAA03583@web1.cdrom.com> To: ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Dual Log Stats - 1998/12/02 Dual Log Stats : Dec 02 1998 -------------------------------------------------- Current Record Delta --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- Bytes 820,097,694,368 820,097,694,368 New Record! 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-------------- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- ------- ------ ------ 86 archives 820,097M 820,097M 0M 1,625,444 1,625,444 0 ~100.0 ~100.0 (k) = 1,000 bytes (M) = 1,000,000 bytes =============================================================================== Yesterday Average (30 days) Delta - ------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- Hits (FTP) 1,625,444 1,279,212 346,232 Hits (HTTP) 0 0 Hits (combo) 1,625,444 1,279,212 346,232 Bytes (FTP) 820,097,694,368 680,012,801,876 140,084,892,492 Bytes (HTTP) 0 0 Bytes (combo) 820,097,694,368 680,012,801,876 140,084,892,492 Past 7 Days Past 30 Days Since 26 Feb 1997 - ------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- Hits (FTP) 9,341,439 38,376,383 341,738,782 Hits (HTTP) 0 0 154,476,821 Hits (combo) 9,341,439 38,376,383 496,215,613 Bytes (FTP) 5,175,301,786,210 20,400,384,056,292 153,104,417,681,524 Bytes (HTTP) 0 0 10,106,100,542,342 Bytes (combo) 5,175,301,786,210 20,400,384,056,292 163,210,518,223,766 ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 02:59:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05851 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 02:59:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA05846 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 02:59:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id KMUOMCIJ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 10:59:01 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981202115853.009cc830@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:58:53 +0100 To: dg@root.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: another wcarchive record Cc: tech@cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199812021054.CAA06485@root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ...another new traffic record for wcarchive. This beat the old one by >about 45GB. Geeze! Isn't that >10mbyte/sec on average? --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 04:42:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16163 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:42:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from root.com (root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16158 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:42:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@root.com) Received: from root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07501; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:42:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812021242.EAA07501@root.com> To: Marius Bendiksen cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: another wcarchive record In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:58:53 +0100." <3.0.5.32.19981202115853.009cc830@mail.scancall.no> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:42:36 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> ...another new traffic record for wcarchive. This beat the old one by >>about 45GB. > >Geeze! > >Isn't that >10mbyte/sec on average? Yes. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 11:30:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24957 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:30:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24951 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (root@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA15426; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:30:06 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA12802; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:30:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: David Greenman cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another wcarchive record In-Reply-To: <199812021242.EAA07501@root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, David Greenman wrote: >>> ...another new traffic record for wcarchive. This beat the old one by >>>about 45GB. You can all thank me! I helped to achieve this record by dowloading Descent3 and telling my friends to use cdrom.com. :) dg is the networking fiend of the known universe. If I were him, I would be salivating at the thought of hitting 1 TB in the near future. Do we have a "bragging rights" page on the web? Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 20:50:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27219 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:50:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27208 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA27080; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:50:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981202214626.04293f10@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:47:15 -0700 To: dg@root.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: another wcarchive record Cc: tech@cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199812021054.CAA06485@root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, the most significant thing about this, to my way of thinking, is that FreeBSD was ahead of Linux in downloads. It wasn't on many previous reports. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 21:14:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29645 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:14:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from root.com (root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29640 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@root.com) Received: from root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16068; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:16:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812030516.VAA16068@root.com> To: Brett Glass cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: another wcarchive record In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:47:15 MST." <4.1.19981202214626.04293f10@127.0.0.1> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:16:02 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Actually, the most significant thing about this, to my way of thinking, is >that FreeBSD was ahead of Linux in downloads. It wasn't on many previous >reports. Not true, actually. FreeBSD has been higher on the list than Linux for a year or more. Only rarely does Linux come out on top. This shouldn't be a surprise, however, since wcarchive is the primary distribution point for FreeBSD, whereas Linux distribution is more...distributed. I don't think you can assume anything about the position on the list other than that people downloaded more FreeBSD than Linux from wcarchive. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 21:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01497 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:35:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from findmail.com (m9.findmail.com [209.185.96.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA01491 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:35:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phishrulz2@aol.com) Received: (qmail 515 invoked by uid 505); 3 Dec 1998 05:39:40 -0000 Date: 3 Dec 1998 05:39:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19981203053940.514.qmail@findmail.com> Received: from 152.163.201.204 (via http) from to list "freebsd-chat" From: "David Kelman" Subject: Driving barefoot To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I read about a few people that received tickets for driving barefoot. I will say there is NO USA Law on this! There are a number of ways to check this. *Go to http://www.urbanlegends.com Print out your state & leave in the glove box. Show a cop if need be. * Go to your nearest AAA (if you have it for your car). They have EVERY driving law on the books. You can actually purchase a book of their driving laws. They even have a section on the myths of the law (which they state again is NOT the law) *Write to your local state highway patrol. Ask them to give you a STATUTE number so you can verify this on your own. If anyone has paid for this ticket, you have wasted money. Please fight these tickets! If you fight it you will always win! David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 22:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05457 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05452 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:25:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA13800; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:26:57 -0800 (PST) To: "David Kelman" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot In-reply-to: Your message of "03 Dec 1998 05:39:40 GMT." <19981203053940.514.qmail@findmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:26:57 -0800 Message-ID: <13797.912666417@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What about driving completely naked? Is that still illegal? > I read about a few people that received tickets for driving barefoot. I will say there is NO USA Law on this! There are a number of ways to check this. > > *Go to http://www.urbanlegends.com > Print out your state & leave in the glove box. Show a cop if need be. > > * Go to your nearest AAA (if you have it for your car). They have EVERY drivi ng law on the books. You can actually purchase a book of their driving laws. Th ey even have a section on the myths of the law (which they state again is NOT t he law) > > *Write to your local state highway patrol. Ask them to give you a STATUTE num ber so you can verify this on your own. > > If anyone has paid for this ticket, you have wasted money. Please fight these tickets! If you fight it you will always win! > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 22:34:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06173 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06168 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23213; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:33:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199812030633.WAA23213@kithrup.com> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot In-Reply-To: <13797.912666417.kithrup.freebsd.chat@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "03 Dec 1998 05:39:40 GMT." <19981203053940.514.qmail@findmail.com> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <13797.912666417.kithrup.freebsd.chat@zippy.cdrom.com> you write: >What about driving completely naked? Is that still illegal? Yes. And don't forget: it is apparantly illegal to be barefoot in downtown San Diego. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 22:42:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06904 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06894 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:42:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA13941 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:44:35 -0800 (PST) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:33:52 PST." <199812030633.WAA23213@kithrup.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:44:35 -0800 Message-ID: <13938.912667475@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > And don't forget: it is apparantly illegal to be barefoot in downtown San > Diego. I think the statute only applies if you clearly appear to be a street person and seem to be resisting arrest. :-) - Jordan P.S. No telling how many people are going to get *this* little in-joke. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 22:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08259 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:55:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.rolta.com (gatekeeper.rolta.com [206.154.250.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA08254 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hiraman@rolta.com) Received: by gatekeeper.rolta.com; id AAA11604; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:02:16 -0600 Received: from unknown(172.17.20.17) by gatekeeper.rolta.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xmad11601; Thu, 3 Dec 98 00:02:10 -0600 Received: from mailserver.rolta.com ([172.16.10.3] (may be forged)) by mailgate.rolta.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA03972 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:42:47 GMT Received: from hiraman ([172.16.12.118]) by mailserver.rolta.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08558 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:21:50 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981203122011.0092a8b0@172.16.12.2> X-Sender: hiraman@172.16.12.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:20:11 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Hiraman T. Pawar" Subject: Help for BOCA modem chat script Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am facing a problem with BOCA to BOCA modem connectivity. I am using BSD unix uucp dial up server and client for email connectivity. I want to replace codex 3265 Motorola modem with BOCA 33.6 Kbps modem. For changing a modem setting, I thing we are doing changes in /etc/uucp/dial file. Following is the chat script is available in the above "dial" file which is working with Codex Motorola modem. Server end "dial" file chat "" \dATX1\r\d\c OK ATDT\D CONNECT Client end "dial" file chat "" ATZ\r\d\c OK ATDT\T CONNECT \p\c The above setup is working. I would like to know the similar settings for BOCA modem. Also let me know if I am doing any mistakes over here. Regards, Hiraman ************************************************************* Hiraman T. Pawar Email: hiraman@rolta.com Sr. Engineering Executive (Internet & Special Projects) Rolta India Ltd. Rolta Bhavan, 22nd Street, Tel: 91-22-8227072/8327708 M.I.D.C. Marol, Andheri(East), Extn-299 Mumbai-400 093, INDIA. Fax: 91-22-836 5992. ************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 2 23:55:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14053 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:55:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp9.portal.net.au [202.12.71.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14047 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:55:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04704; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:53:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812030753.XAA04704@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: dg@root.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: another wcarchive record In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:47:15 MST." <4.1.19981202214626.04293f10@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:53:33 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Actually, the most significant thing about this, to my way of thinking, is > that FreeBSD was ahead of Linux in downloads. It wasn't on many previous > reports. This probably has something to do with the fact that FreeBSD's mirror sites are very effective, while ftp.cdrom.com is basically the *only* place that people go to download Redhat or Slackware. Ask David about the redhat-mirrors list the morning after the 5.2 release. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 3 00:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15354 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:07:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15349 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:07:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (root@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id AAA28498; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:06:41 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id AAA27860; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:06:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot In-Reply-To: <13797.912666417@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >What about driving completely naked? Is that still illegal? I am thinking that someone just bought himself a place in 'fortune' history. :) Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 3 06:37:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14133 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14123 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:37:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00374; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:36:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot In-Reply-To: <13797.912666417@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > What about driving completely naked? Is that still illegal? Many years ago I was told by a Pennsylvania state trooper that as far as the _motor vehicle code_ was concerned you could legally drive naked. However other statutes had a bit to say about it. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 3 08:07:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20860 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20851 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:07:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA01803; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:06:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981203090340.04298ca0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:04:29 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "David Kelman" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Driving barefoot Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <13797.912666417@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:26 PM 12/2/98 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >What about driving completely naked? Is that still illegal? Only if you're in the front seat. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 3 08:16:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21807 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-147.airnet.net [207.242.81.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21795 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:16:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03254; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:12:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3666B867.EB19E5DF@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:12:23 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > >What about driving completely naked? Is that still illegal? > > I am thinking that someone just bought himself a place in 'fortune' > history. :) You _think_? No, he's been doing this for quite a while. If we could capture it and add it to fortune, we'd be into a > 10 MB fortune database. :-/ But that would make sure that you get something different. Why stop there? Let's make a Jordan Hubbard fortune-style program. We'll call it jkh(1)... -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 3 15:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09505 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orcrist.mediacity.com (orcrist.mediacity.com [208.138.36.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09497 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@orcrist.mediacity.com) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by orcrist.mediacity.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15697 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:03:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter) Message-ID: <19981203150320.I2367@orcrist.mediacity.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:03:20 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [kazu@iijlab.net: KAME 19981130 stable release] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From freebsd-net. Timely, eh? ----- Forwarded message from Kazu Yamamoto ----- To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: KAME 19981130 stable release From: Kazu Yamamoto (?$B;3K\OBI'?(B) Message-Id: <19981203155624S.kazu@iijlab.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:56:24 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG We are happy to inform you the stable release of KAME 19981130 for FreeBSD 2.2.7, BSD/OS 3.0, and NetBSD 1.3.2 . The kits are available from: http://www.kame.net/ Summary of the differences from the previous release is enclosed below. Enjoy! --Kazu, KAME Project ---From Here <> - Introduced loop prevention mechanism for gif input and output. <> - Implemented kernel level multicast forwarding with PIM. - Introduced loop prevention mechanism for gif input and output. - Implemented kernel level prefix renumbering mechanism and its API for the "rrenumd" daemon and the "prefix" command. - Gif tunnel IPv6 support as outer encapsulation. (was not possible) - Gif tunnel extension for multiple destination. (contributed by dwiggins@bbn.com) - Neighbor discovery code was stabilized. - ICMPv6 redirect is now working properly. <> <> - IPv4 IPsec (both transport and tunnel) was stabilized very much. - IPsec tunnel now handles path MTU and TCP MSS properly. - IPv4 options are now properly handled by IPsec code. - Most of the ESP/AH algorithms is now confirmed to be interoperable with other implementations. - The "racoon" IKE daemon was updated for better interoperability. - Statistics is now properly gathered. <> - Implemented "pim6dd", a daemon of PIMv2 dense mode for IPv6, to support IPv6 multicast routing. - IPv6 hostname with AAAA record, or numarical IPv6 address escaped by [ ], is supported as proxy server specification for mozilla. - Implemented the "prefix" command for prefix assignment and renumbering inside a node. - Implemented the "rrenumd" daemon for sending router renumbering messages. - Enhanced the "rtadvd" daemon for receiving router renumbering messages and renumbering pre-assigned prefixes. - Resolver was updated to keep binary compatibility with existing implementations. Namely, struct _res is now kept unchanged from original bind distribution. - EPSV/EPRT support for FAITH TCP translator. - "tcpdump" is now able to chase IPv6 header chain and to analyze IPsec related packets. - IPv6-ready logwtmp() and skeyaccess() is now supplied (FreeBSD only). <> - Copyright notice was changed. We are now using 3-clause BSD copyright. - New ports: "apache13", "gated" ("apache" is renamed to "apache12") - "lynx" security hole fix included into the IPv6-ready ports directory. (this is a problem with the original "lynx", not the IPv6 patch) - KAME on NetBSD-pmax is now confirmed to work. ---To Here To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Gregory S. Sutter Was Jimi's modem a Purple Hayes? mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 3 17:55:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02744 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:55:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02735 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:55:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from struct. (tomato19.verinet.com [199.45.181.193]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA01980; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:55:31 -0700 Received: from verinet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by struct. (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00365; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Message-ID: <36674105.A3589D17@verinet.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:55:17 -0700 From: Allen Campbell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kirby CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot References: <3666B867.EB19E5DF@airnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Why stop there? Let's make a Jordan Hubbard fortune-style program. We'll > call it jkh(1)... The CVS commit logs provide an endless supply of Jordanisms: > This will now compile and even scribble helpfully on your disks. > It remains to be seen how successfully. > This should also fix a few more bugs on Poul-Henning's latest gripe > list. > Merge-o-matic > Fix a really stooopid bug that was clobbering the package menu. > Pointed-out-by: ache My personal favorite: > Urk. No comment. -- Allen Campbell | Lurking at the bottom of the allenc@verinet.com | gravity well, getting old. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 4 05:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29474 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 05:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29419; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 05:19:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA62901; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:19:23 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Message-ID: <19981204151923.A255@shale.csir.co.za> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:19:23 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Crypto policy [was: Can we just come to a decision on IPv6 and IPSec?] References: <27487.912737451@coconut.itojun.org> <9812032354.ZM6453@beatrice.rutgers.edu> <3667D66F.B561157@pipeline.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <3667D66F.B561157@pipeline.ch>; from Andre Oppermann on Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 01:32:47PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, [redirected to -chat, bcc'd to -hackers] On Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 01:32:47PM +0100, Andre Oppermann wrote: > Allen Smith wrote: > > > > I believe IPsec just ran into a larger problem... parts excerpted for > > fair use. The Wassenaar countries include the home countries of all > > the IPsec participants, so far as I know. > If this would ever be an issue then I would be able to give bandwidth > and rack space for a FreeBSD cryto repository box (like internat. > freebsd.org today). I doubt there will be problems with internat. South Africa is not part of this, and is not likely to be, considering our good diplomatic relations with China, Libya, Cuba and sometimes even Iraq. To the South African's on the list: Anyone have any ideas on the best way to get encryption enshrined as a constitutional right? Better to be proactive than reactive. I'm sure some argument about the need for individuals to protect themselves, to prevent an recurrence of the horrors of the past, would go some way. Also might be a good idea to begin fighting for making key escrow by foreign countries illegal. I don't want Verisign, or whoever, to ever be able to give my secret keys to the US government. Regards, -Jeremy -- | "Come home my prodigal son, come home and lets be one, --+-- don't want to see you cry, don't make me tell you why, | you've lived in a house with me, my blood has set you free, | in the world you'll surely die, nothing else will satisfy." -MIC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 4 08:57:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23322 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from omahpop1.omah.uswest.net (omahpop1.omah.uswest.net [204.26.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23316 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:57:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@open-systems.net) Received: (qmail 27501 invoked by alias); 4 Dec 1998 16:57:23 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-chat@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 27456 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1998 16:57:21 -0000 Received: from dialupf95.ne.uswest.net (HELO pinkfloyd.open-systems.net) (209.180.100.95) by omahpop1.omah.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 1998 16:57:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:57:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Open Systems Inc." To: Jeremy Lea cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crypto policy [was: Can we just come to a decision on IPv6 and IPSec?] In-Reply-To: <19981204151923.A255@shale.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Jeremy Lea wrote: > To the South African's on the list: Anyone have any ideas on the best way > to get encryption enshrined as a constitutional right? Better to be > proactive than reactive. I'm sure some argument about the need for > individuals to protect themselves, to prevent an recurrence of the horrors of > the past, would go some way. Heh. Im not S. African, but I know in the US crypto is supposed to be protected under Amendments I and IV of the constitution here. And in the land of the free that has not worked out to well. My brother whos finishing his last year of law school suggested, and I know this would never fly for us for various reasons, is that you just import the KAME code or whoever's stack. Write the EFF, and all the senators on the senate judiciary committee who are overseeing the crypto issues, like fred thompson and orin hatch, and inform them of your plans to start rolling it into FreeBSD and exporting it in the next release, and explain your issues and the problem you face by not being allowed to do so legaly. And force a lawsuit by the US Govt. against WC :-) Now I know that is not going to happen. But I think I agree that the only way these moronic laws that infringe on freedom are going to be over turned is by someone forcing a law suit and winning, and paving the way for others to do the same since they can then point to your case as an example. Chris -- "Join Team-FreeBSD on cracking RC5-64! grab you client now and HELP OUT! http://www.distributed.net/cgi/select.cgi" ===================================| Open Systems FreeBSD Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.8 is available now! | Phone: 402-573-9124 -----------------------------------| 3335 N. 103 Plaza #14, Omaha, NE 68134 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting, Network Engineering, Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 4 09:42:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29541 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:42:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29512 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA14905; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:41:18 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:41:18 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Kris Kirby cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driving barefoot In-Reply-To: <3666B867.EB19E5DF@airnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Kris Kirby wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > >What about driving completely naked? Is that still illegal? > > > > I am thinking that someone just bought himself a place in 'fortune' > > history. :) > > You _think_? No, he's been doing this for quite a while. If we could > capture it and add it to fortune, we'd be into a > 10 MB fortune > database. :-/ But that would make sure that you get something different. > Why stop there? Let's make a Jordan Hubbard fortune-style program. We'll > call it jkh(1)... Wouldn't it's name clash with that of the release-building AI program? > -- > Kris Kirby > UAH Mail UAH CS > Home WWW > ------------------------------------------- > TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 4 21:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08465 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from k6n1.znh.org (dialup4.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08460 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by k6n1.znh.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA84187 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:32:46 GMT (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19981204233246.A84168@znh.org> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:32:46 -0600 From: Zach Heilig To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For those who haven't been following this strip (and/or don't have it in their local paper), here is an interesting sequence that starts here: http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/98nov/19981127.html -- Zach Heilig (zach@gaffaneys.com) Our one strength was that our senior officers were more flexible than theirs... How's that? We can customize our colonels. [ Illiad in User Friendly, Dec. 1, 1998 ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 4 22:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13737 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13732 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:54:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA03480; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:56:27 -0800 (PST) To: Zach Heilig cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:32:46 CST." <19981204233246.A84168@znh.org> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:56:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3477.912840987@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > For those who haven't been following this strip (and/or don't have it in > their local paper), here is an interesting sequence that starts here: > > http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/98nov/19981127.html The fact that the BSD daemon isn't walking through comic strips having conversations with Eric Raymond is, I think, something we can all only be very deeply thankful for. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 01:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21826 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21821 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:07:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.57.149]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5489; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:07:40 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3477.912840987@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 10:13:04 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn' Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Zach Heilig Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Dec-98 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> For those who haven't been following this strip (and/or don't have it in >> their local paper), here is an interesting sequence that starts here: >> >> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/98nov/19981127.html > > The fact that the BSD daemon isn't walking through comic strips having > conversations with Eric Raymond is, I think, something we can all only > be very deeply thankful for. :-) That and having no official name for the Daemon as well... Ponders: "They named the penguin Tux?!" Surely they did it only for reasons that could be described as mean-spirited... Still wonders: "Tux?!?! Yech..." --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 01:44:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24072 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:44:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [209.244.238.132] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24066 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:44:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17915; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:43:03 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199812050943.EAA17915@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: Year 2k and PC hardware In-Reply-To: <199812032254.PAA15751@usr09.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Dec 3, 98 10:54:35 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:43:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > well, i see sept 1st as the point of no return... what is the first > > problem date, 9/9/99? > > This one is urban legend. > > While the "all nines" stop is a time honored tradition in COBOL, > both the day and the month field are two digits, not one digit, > and therefore the stop is 99/99/99, which will never happen, > not " 9/ 9/99". Are you sure? I also heard the "9999 flag" thing on the radio last year, but the date mentioned was in April. I guess that would make it the ninety-ninth day of 1999. I'm almost ready for civilization to collapse to end the Y2K talk. I've gotten one letter from the FDA (US Food and Drug Administration) specifically about software issues. You can guess what it was about. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 02:40:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28309 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:40:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-113.airnet.net [207.242.81.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28233 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01132; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:35:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36690C8A.A63D35B8@airnet.net> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:35:54 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] References: <3477.912840987@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > For those who haven't been following this strip (and/or don't have it in > > their local paper), here is an interesting sequence that starts here: > > > > http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/98nov/19981127.html > > The fact that the BSD daemon isn't walking through comic strips having > conversations with Eric Raymond is, I think, something we can all only > be very deeply thankful for. :-) > > - Jordan I can just see how that would start off: "Where am I? ...and who are you?!" -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 07:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15878 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:08:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15863 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:07:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA27597; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:05:41 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:05:41 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Zach Heilig , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] In-Reply-To: <3477.912840987@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > For those who haven't been following this strip (and/or don't have it in > > their local paper), here is an interesting sequence that starts here: > > > > http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/98nov/19981127.html > > The fact that the BSD daemon isn't walking through comic strips having > conversations with Eric Raymond is, I think, something we can all only > be very deeply thankful for. :-) Hmmm... And if they keep true to the Star Wars scenario, we should in a couple of strips see the Crud Puppy ... > - Jordan > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 07:56:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18110 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:56:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18103 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id IAA28409; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:56:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981205084307.041bd120@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 08:54:02 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Zach Heilig From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3477.912840987@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:56 PM 12/4/98 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >The fact that the BSD daemon isn't walking through comic strips having >conversations with Eric Raymond is, I think, something we can all only >be very deeply thankful for. :-) How about this? Daemon silently walks up behind Eric and gives the "guru" a playful poke in the caboose with the ol' pitchfork. This causes guru to leap high in the air, hitting his head on an overhanging ledge. Guru falls back to Earth, and large lump sprouts from top of his head. Ledge then gradually crumbles, burying still-dazed guru in rubble (except for the lump, which protrudes from top of heap). Exit daemon stage right with an amused "Beep-beep!" ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 10:28:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28990 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28985 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.57.11]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA7442; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:28:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981205084307.041bd120@127.0.0.1> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:34:02 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Brett Glass Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn' Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Dec-98 Brett Glass wrote: > At 10:56 PM 12/4/98 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >>The fact that the BSD daemon isn't walking through comic strips having >>conversations with Eric Raymond is, I think, something we can all only >>be very deeply thankful for. :-) > > How about this? > > Daemon silently walks up behind Eric and gives the "guru" a playful poke > in the caboose with the ol' pitchfork. This causes guru to leap high in > the air, hitting his head on an overhanging ledge. Guru falls back to > Earth, and large lump sprouts from top of his head. Ledge then gradually > crumbles, burying still-dazed guru in rubble (except for the lump, which > protrudes from top of heap). > > Exit daemon stage right with an amused "Beep-beep!" ;-) So ye are the storywriter for Daemon News' latest cartoon? =) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 14:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20724 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:54:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20719 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01070; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:54:12 -0800 (PST) To: Brett Glass cc: Zach Heilig , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Dec 1998 08:54:02 MST." <4.1.19981205084307.041bd120@127.0.0.1> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 14:54:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1066.912898451@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Daemon silently walks up behind Eric and gives the "guru" a playful poke > in the caboose with the ol' pitchfork. This causes guru to leap high in I was thinking of something more along the lines of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre meets Star Wars." - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 15:44:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24536 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:44:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24531 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:44:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA01995; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:44:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981205163500.06cb8140@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 16:42:06 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] Cc: Zach Heilig , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1066.912898451@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:54 PM 12/5/98 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >I was thinking of something more along the lines of "Texas Chainsaw >Massacre meets Star Wars." Bill Gates (as Darth Vader) and Eric Raymond (as Obi-Wan Kenobi) draw their light chainsaws, which begin to roar menacingly. As they face off in mortal combat, Chuck sneaks up behind Gates and tickles him, saying "Kitchy-koo!" Gates, distracted, wheels around but swings too high to hit the tiny daemon. His swing continues in a full circle, lopping off Raymond's head at about the same time Raymond's blade does the same to Gates. "Oops!" says Chuck in a high, squeaky voice as blood spurts from the two thrashing corpses. "I have a bad feeling about this." --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 16:08:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28458 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:08:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28451 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03898; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:08:37 -0800 (PST) To: Brett Glass cc: Zach Heilig , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Dec 1998 16:42:06 MST." <4.1.19981205163500.06cb8140@127.0.0.1> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 16:08:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3895.912902917@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > "Oops!" says Chuck in a high, squeaky voice as blood spurts from the > two thrashing corpses. "I have a bad feeling about this." You missed your calling. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 16:31:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00750 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00745 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA02678; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981205172301.06d66030@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 17:28:21 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn't enough] Cc: Zach Heilig , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3895.912902917@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:08 PM 12/5/98 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >You missed your calling. :) Maybe. Unfortunately, Warner Brothers hasn't called to ask me to sub for Chuck Jones or the late Tex Avery. In any event, stay tooned for the sequel, in which the angelic Richard Stallwalker discovers that, due to a freak malfunction in an early time machine controlled by Windows NT, Bill Gates was his father. ("I should have known," says Stallwaker. Megalomania runs in the family!") --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 16:46:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01846 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (sj-dsl-9-129-138.dspeed.net [209.249.129.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01841 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@netcom.com) Received: from netcom.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.249.129.138]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03364 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:46:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@netcom.com) Message-ID: <3669D3E1.E216A625@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 16:46:25 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Reply-To: hasty@netcom.com Organization: Hasty Consulting Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ZDNN: Dell Ships PCs, Servers With Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Dell , they received about 2 calls per week so ordering linux pre-install so if you want to buy a box from Dell don't forget to ask for FreeBSD pre-install. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,349454,00.html Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 18:41:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10786 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:41:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10780; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:41:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:41:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812060241.SAA10780@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: asmodai@wxs.nl CC: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, zach@gaffaneys.com In-reply-to: (message from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Sat, 05 Dec 1998 10:13:04 +0100 (CET)) Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn' References: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai wrote: On 05-Dec-98 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> For those who haven't been following this strip (and/or don't have it in >> their local paper), here is an interesting sequence that starts here: >> >> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/98nov/19981127.html > > The fact that the BSD daemon isn't walking through comic strips having > conversations with Eric Raymond is, I think, something we can all only > be very deeply thankful for. :-) That and having no official name for the Daemon as well... Ponders: "They named the penguin Tux?!" Surely they did it only for reasons that could be described as mean-spirited... Still wonders: "Tux?!?! Yech..." Tux.....sounds like Tucks, which are medicated pads for hemmoroids that once upon a time where advertized on television....wonder if they are still sold. one could offer a container to rabid Linux advocates. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 23:28:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27356 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:28:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27325; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:28:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02932; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812060726.XAA02932@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: asmodai@wxs.nl, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, zach@gaffaneys.com Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn' In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Dec 1998 18:41:13 PST." <199812060241.SAA10780@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:26:14 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > That and having no official name for the Daemon as well... > > Ponders: "They named the penguin Tux?!" > > Surely they did it only for reasons that could be described as mean-spirited... > > Still wonders: "Tux?!?! Yech..." > > > Tux.....sounds like Tucks, which are medicated pads for hemmoroids > that once upon a time where advertized on television....wonder if they > are still sold. one could offer a container to rabid Linux advocates. To me, I still think that attempting to describe the caffeinated Tux candy that was being handed around at the Atlanta Linux Showcase to my SO wins the prize; her response was to repeat, incredulously, "caffeinated penguin mince?!". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 5 23:36:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28061 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:36:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28048; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul9.u.washington.edu (root@saul9.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.7]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA50944; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:36:42 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul9.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA12132; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:36:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User Friendly Cartoon... [as if the halloween document wasn' In-Reply-To: <199812060241.SAA10780@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: >Tux.....sounds like Tucks, which are medicated pads for hemmoroids >that once upon a time where advertized on television....wonder if they >are still sold. one could offer a container to rabid Linux advocates. Your not saying that rabid Linuxites are a pain the _knee_ are you? :) I like the cartoon though. (It was too easy. I had to do it.) Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message