From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 07:44:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07856 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 07:44:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07839 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 07:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA14299 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:44:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07482 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:14:45 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from w) Message-ID: <19981206151444.A5829@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:14:44 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Release usage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From 5 December 1998 Place % release 1. 29.51 FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 2. 21.33 FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 3. 12.64 FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 4. 9.26 FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 5. 6.35 FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386 6. 5.52 FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 7. 5.25 FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386 8. 4.10 FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386 9. 1.29 FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 10. 0.87 FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 See http://www.freebsd.org/statistic/release_usage for more details. Wolfram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 10:26:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22274 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:26:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-27.airnet.net [207.242.81.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22268 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04692; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:23:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <366ACB8A.5D6DEE81@airnet.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:23:06 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I run my useful linux utilities? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] Jason C. Wells wrote: > >Red Hat Linux had "Midnight Commander" - a linux version of the DOS > >"Norton Commander"... I can't imagine using DOS or linux without > >that! > > I use unix tools to do administration on my machine. I find them far more > flexible and powerful than even the Norton Commander that I loved in DOS > land. In DOS, my favorite was List. But it had limits: no network drives. So that put CDROMs out of the question. Quite annoying. In BSD, I favor fd. Has most if not all of the functions and benefits of list without the limits. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 16:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26363 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-221.airnet.net [207.242.81.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26358 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:58:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05618; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:55:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <366B2771.AC5E22A4@airnet.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:55:13 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How much to pay my ISP for my own Internet domain ? References: <412566CD.0053163F.00@domino.intercom.es> <19981207100338.V603@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > >> - DNS/SMTP configuration: USD 214 > > This seems ridiculously high. What do they need to do? > > 1. Add a DNS zone. Say, garcia.org. The entry looks like: > > zone "garcia.org" { > type slave; > file "db.garcia.org"; > masters {192.168.168.192}; > }; > > That's *all* they need to do. You do the rest. > > 2. Add your domain name to /etc/sendmail.cw: > > garcia.org > > And the want $214 for *that*? If I was to offer, I'm sure you take it. :-) > > I don't know how important this might be, but I think they > > are running mainly Linux and perhaps some Windows NT. > > You need to find this out. My ISP hasn't learned yet about this. After 5 am one morning, their mail server ate my email account. When I called them after the offices opened, I was informed that they had the rename the files in my mailbox. I wanted to get it at 160 messages (1 per file). By the time I could, it was > 200. And they wonder why they need a quad pentium 400 for a news server. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 20:06:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11538 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11526 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul9.u.washington.edu (root@saul9.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.7]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id UAA39644 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:06:46 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul9.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id UAA20058 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:06:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Beta Testers For Applixware? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are you guys going to need beta testers for Applixware? I volunteer! :) Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 20:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11761 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [209.90.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11753 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4016.ime.net [209.90.195.26]) by ime.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA04427; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:08:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981206230657.00a94350@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 23:07:27 -0500 To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:06 PM 12/6/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >Are you guys going to need beta testers for Applixware? I volunteer! :) Hey I want in on this.. I have nothing better to do than break stuff.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us PGP ID: 409A1F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 20:25:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13155 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:25:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ogurok.com (ogurok.com [208.212.72.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13150 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Received: from testol (ppp14.pfmc.net [204.254.227.16]) by ogurok.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA29411; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:32:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Message-ID: <009901be219a$bce5a780$ba9bd0d1@testol.globix.net> From: "Oleg Ogurok" To: "Kris Kirby" , "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Subject: Re: Can I run my useful linux utilities? Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:33:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can use midnight commander, it's in ports somewhere. The command to run it is "midc" instead of "mc" in Linux. -Oleg. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Kirby To: Jason C. Wells Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Can I run my useful linux utilities? >[moved to -chat] > >Jason C. Wells wrote: >> >Red Hat Linux had "Midnight Commander" - a linux version of the DOS >> >"Norton Commander"... I can't imagine using DOS or linux without >> >that! >> >> I use unix tools to do administration on my machine. I find them far more >> flexible and powerful than even the Norton Commander that I loved in DOS >> land. > >In DOS, my favorite was List. But it had limits: no network drives. So >that put CDROMs out of the question. Quite annoying. In BSD, I favor fd. >Has most if not all of the functions and benefits of list without the >limits. > >-- >Kris Kirby >UAH Mail UAH CS >Home WWW >------------------------------------------- >TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 20:58:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15298 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:58:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15279 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA13086; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:57:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:53:49 -0700 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Question regarding Linux emulation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was asked these questions this evening, and don't know the answers. How much of a speed penalty, if any, is incurred for using Linux emulation under FreeBSD compared to running a natively compiled version of the same program (or, for that matter, running the Linux program under Linux)? How "thin" is the Linux emulation layer? What calls can be expected to incur a substantial penalty due to translation of data structures, emulation of system facilities, etc.? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 21:16:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16911 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (tnt1-238.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16851 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by n4hhe.ampr.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28130 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:41:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Message-Id: <199812070441.WAA28130@n4hhe.ampr.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: FreeBSD-chat From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-reply-to: Message from "Jason C. Wells" of "Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:06:21 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:41:08 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" writes: > Are you guys going to need beta testers for Applixware? I volunteer! :) Ditto. Plus I've put my money where my mouth is and have had a backorder for months. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 21:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18237 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18210 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:33:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.20]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA15049 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:37:00 +0500 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:36:47 +0500 (GMT) From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm... BTW, will it be ELF, a.out, or both ??? I pre-ordered it, but I don't know what I'll receive. I am glad WC made it, after all. cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 6 22:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22691 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:26:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (sj-dsl-9-129-138.dspeed.net [209.249.129.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22686 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA79599; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:25:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199812070625.WAA79599@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question regarding Linux emulation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:53:49 MST." <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:25:45 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The speed doesn't kill you is the incompatible versions of their shared libraries. Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 02:12:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10651 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10646 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA20342; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:12:07 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981207111206.A20322@cons.org> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:12:06 +0100 From: Martin Cracauer To: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question regarding Linux emulation References: <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1>; from Brett Glass on Sun, Dec 06, 1998 at 09:53:49PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1>, Brett Glass wrote: > I was asked these questions this evening, and don't know the answers. > > How much of a speed penalty, if any, is incurred for using Linux emulation > under FreeBSD compared to running a natively compiled version of the same > program (or, for that matter, running the Linux program under Linux)? How > "thin" is the Linux emulation layer? What calls can be expected to incur a > substantial penalty due to translation of data structures, emulation of > system facilities, etc.? The emulation is mostly just an additional function call and a very short code path to map some table to another (unually the same :-) or to rebuild function arguments, often structs. Even signal delivery code is quite small. Remember that this is only done for system calls and a minimal system call - emulated or not - is so costly in itself that this little extra CPU stuff is unnoticeable. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 04:10:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21901 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:10:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21894 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:10:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11211; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:10:36 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA17027; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:10:35 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981207131035.H13839@follo.net> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:10:35 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question regarding Linux emulation References: <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1>; from Brett Glass on Sun, Dec 06, 1998 at 09:53:49PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 06, 1998 at 09:53:49PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > I was asked these questions this evening, and don't know the answers. > > How much of a speed penalty, if any, is incurred for using Linux emulation > under FreeBSD compared to running a natively compiled version of the same > program (or, for that matter, running the Linux program under Linux)? Your speed-penalty will only be measurable if you're doing benchmarking of syscall overhead. Real-world Linux binaries will usually run faster under FreeBSD than under Linux, due to the better VM system. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 10:40:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29801 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29796 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA18756; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:40:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207113952.0421bbd0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:40:23 -0700 To: Eivind Eklund , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Question regarding Linux emulation In-Reply-To: <19981207131035.H13839@follo.net> References: <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1> <4.1.19981206215315.042becc0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:10 PM 12/7/98 +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote: >Your speed-penalty will only be measurable if you're doing >benchmarking of syscall overhead. Real-world Linux binaries will >usually run faster under FreeBSD than under Linux, due to the better >VM system. You're coming dangerously close to saying that FreeBSD is "a better Linux than Linux." ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 17:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15876 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:24:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15868 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:24:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00898; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:53:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812072353.PAA00898@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Dec 1998 00:36:47 +0500." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:53:33 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm... > BTW, will it be ELF, a.out, or both ??? > I pre-ordered it, but I don't know what I'll receive. I am glad WC made > it, after all. It will probably be a.out, built to run against a 2.2.x system. It will be tested on both 2.2.x and 3.0. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 17:57:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20716 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:57:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20708 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu (root@saul5.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.3]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA15552 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:56:58 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA12660 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:56:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-Reply-To: <199812072353.PAA00898@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >> BTW, will it be ELF, a.out, or both ??? >> I pre-ordered it, but I don't know what I'll receive. I am glad WC made >> it, after all. > >It will probably be a.out, built to run against a 2.2.x system. It >will be tested on both 2.2.x and 3.0. This makes business sense but... # This part of build should be regarded as deprecated and you should _not_ # expect to be able to do this past the release of 3.1. You have exactly # one major release to move entirely to elf. and loosely "FreeBSD is not going to be a pick your binary format system," stated by sources unremembered. Based on the above, I have already -DNOAOUTed my entire system. I hope it's trivial to put AOUT support back in. I am really looking forward to trying Applixware as a better alternative to StarOffice. 3.0 _is_ RELEASE. Maybe we should treat it as such. I get the feeling the 3.0-RELEASE is the redheaded step child of the FreeBSD world. "Sure we put it on our web page but you might want to run 2.2.8 instead." Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 19:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28495 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28488 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul6.u.washington.edu (root@saul6.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.1]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA43330; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:14 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul6.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA19288; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat cc: Ken Keeler Subject: IBM Java Compiler Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In case anyone doesn't read slashdot, IBM released it's source for it's Jikes compiler. I don't know jack err java but this sounds like a cool deal. This is entry number two for IBM into the Open Source foray. They have adopted Apache and now have released a previously proprietary piece of software. Wouldn't it be poetic if free software along with supportive companies like IBM dethrone MS. :) This smells like a win for free software. Big Blue has not only endorsed free software by using Apache but it gave a big chunk back in this compiler. Is this as big a deal as I think it is? Does the availability of this software help FreeBSD java efforts? Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 19:18:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29145 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:18:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29140 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4010.ime.net [209.90.195.20]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id WAA09746; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:18:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981207221250.00bcda30@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:17:04 -0500 To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: IBM Java Compiler In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:11 PM 12/7/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >In case anyone doesn't read slashdot, IBM released it's source for it's >Jikes compiler. I don't know jack err java but this sounds like a cool >deal. > >This is entry number two for IBM into the Open Source foray. They have >adopted Apache and now have released a previously proprietary piece of >software. > >Wouldn't it be poetic if free software along with supportive companies >like IBM dethrone MS. :) > >This smells like a win for free software. Big Blue has not only endorsed >free software by using Apache but it gave a big chunk back in this >compiler. Is this as big a deal as I think it is? > >Does the availability of this software help FreeBSD java efforts? I gotta say, this is definitely a good plus for the OSS cause. I think you'll find that since OS/2 flops pretty hard because of the whole Microsoft thing, that maybe this is a new lead by IBM. I don't see them releasing the source of AIX or anything, but this is above the call of duty certainly. Didn't know they hold tabs on Apache though. I will say on a personal note that my Apache server (Running 19 vservs on a PII-333 FreeBSD box) flies by comparison of the NT 4 Workstation that was running comparable software. Now our web-mail frontend is handled by the FreeBSD box, and just the Netscape Directory Server and Messaging Server crapola is handled by the NT Workstation.. I look at that NT machine though and just have to say "What a waste of a 128mb PII-333"... --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us PGP ID: 409A1F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 19:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03804 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:55:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03799 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA29901 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:25:31 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA14999 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:25:31 +1030 (CST) Received: from minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.160]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA29892 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:24:17 +1030 (CST) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA16643 for pups-liszt; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:49:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from swag.sw.oz.au (firewall-user@gw.softway.com.au [203.31.96.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16638 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:48:47 +1100 (EST) Received: from swarm.sw.oz.au (swarm.sw.oz.au [192.41.203.66]) by swag.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12733 for <@smtp.sw.oz.au:PUPS@minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:48:41 +1100 (EST) Received: (from peterc@localhost) by swarm.sw.oz.au (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA50560; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:48:27 +1100 (ADST) From: Peter Chubb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13932.41355.645423.303757@swarm.sw.oz.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:48:27 +1100 (ADST) To: PUPS@minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: John Lions Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Associate Professor John Lions, who was instrumental in UNIX's acceptance in Australia, and in its popularity (through his two books) world wide, died last Saturday morning, after long illness. Peter C To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 20:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06792 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06786 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:20:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18623 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from john.baldwinfamily.org (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.63]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01459 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:20:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:20:41 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jobaldwi@vt.edu Organization: Virginia Tech From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gcc and dup variables... Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I just ran into a rather weird little oddity. I'm working on a C project, and in one module, I have a private variable declared as so: FILE *dbaseFile; In another module, I have a private variable as such: char *dbaseFile; It seems that ld has merged these two references into the same thing, with some rather interesting side effects when I tried to print the string out after opening the file. I would've thought that I would have gotten a linker error for duplicate symbols of conflicting types, but I guess that ld treats all pointers the same as it doesn't know types? But, I also thought that if two modules both had non-external vars of the same name ld should've flagged that instead of silently merging the two. So a) is this how ld is supposed to work and b) if so, why? I can see how if one was two lazy to declare variables extern everywhere but once that this would be helpful, but I'd rather ld give me a link error as it can lead to some interesting bugs. - --- John Baldwin -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBNmypD4jYza302vYpAQF4ngL7BccapofLYJ5Xze8An2VsiMKl+Z+0iTOD Tr1Nw0FR7y5smWdyw2U+r+FIb5cEd27KDoFPQcKdyA+O3l1daOsnkJqCHemgkhKl hbdPqDGEQLCBwHCg4n2o2U0/ocz9B/nk =Qn+5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 20:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07465 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07457 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA00178; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:05:18 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA15195; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:04:59 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981208150459.Q12688@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:04:59 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: jobaldwi@vt.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gcc and dup variables... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from John Baldwin on Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 11:20:41PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this -chat material? Yes, I know, everything's -chat material, but it seems to me that this is one that could have been handled in a technical forum. On Monday, 7 December 1998 at 23:20:41 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I just ran into a rather weird little oddity. > > I'm working on a C project, and in one module, I have a private variable > declared as so: > > FILE *dbaseFile; > > In another module, I have a private variable as such: > > char *dbaseFile; If you write them like that, they're not private (static), they're global. > It seems that ld has merged these two references into the same > thing, This is a feature, not a bug. > with some rather interesting side effects when I tried to print the > string out after opening the file. Indeed :-) > I would've thought that I would have gotten a linker > error for duplicate symbols of conflicting types, but I guess that ld treats > all pointers the same as it doesn't know types? But, I also thought that if > two modules both had non-external vars of the same name ld should've flagged > that instead of silently merging the two. So a) is this how ld is supposed to > work Yes. > and b) if so, why? Because nobody ever got round to defining arbitrary types for the C linker. They did it for C++ functions with name mangling, but that's a whole different can of worms. Unfortunately, C++ won't catch this particular problem either: from the ARM, section 7.3c: Types of variables are not encoded in their names, nor are the return types of functions encoded. This makes it impossible to catch errors like these: // file 1: extern int a; int f() { return a }; // file 2: float a; extern float f(); > I can see how if one was two lazy to declare variables extern > everywhere but once that this would be helpful, but I'd rather ld > give me a link error as it can lead to some interesting bugs. This is one of the reasons why people like Bruce snoop around and put 'static' in front of every variable which will take it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 21:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15370 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:55:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15365 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA25069; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:54:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207225415.068a1f10@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:54:39 -0700 To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: IBM Java Compiler Cc: Ken Keeler In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:11 PM 12/7/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >This smells like a win for free software. Big Blue has not only endorsed >free software by using Apache but it gave a big chunk back in this >compiler. Under what license? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 23:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20752 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp4.portal.net.au [202.12.71.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20739 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:06:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00730; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:04:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812080704.XAA00730@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:56:32 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:04:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > >> BTW, will it be ELF, a.out, or both ??? > >> I pre-ordered it, but I don't know what I'll receive. I am glad WC made > >> it, after all. > > > >It will probably be a.out, built to run against a 2.2.x system. It > >will be tested on both 2.2.x and 3.0. > > This makes business sense but... > > # This part of build should be regarded as deprecated and you should _not_ > # expect to be able to do this past the release of 3.1. You have exactly > # one major release to move entirely to elf. This is an admonition to -current users. > Based on the above, I have already -DNOAOUTed my entire system. I hope > it's trivial to put AOUT support back in. I am really looking forward to > trying Applixware as a better alternative to StarOffice. Applixware should run with the compat-22 kit installed, if not without. The goal is to make it applicable to the widest possible installed base. > 3.0 _is_ RELEASE. Maybe we should treat it as such. I get the feeling the > 3.0-RELEASE is the redheaded step child of the FreeBSD world. "Sure we put > it on our web page but you might want to run 2.2.8 instead." This was stated unequvocally in the 3.0 release notes. Pay more attention. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 23:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22577 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22572 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul9.u.washington.edu (root@saul9.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.7]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA20252; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:21:04 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul9.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA13820; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:21:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:20:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Brett Glass cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: IBM Java Compiler In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981207225415.068a1f10@mail.lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: >At 07:11 PM 12/7/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >>This smells like a win for free software. Big Blue has not only endorsed >>free software by using Apache but it gave a big chunk back in this >>compiler. > >Under what license? Oopps. There was a URL for it on slashdot, IIRC. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 23:37:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23705 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:37:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA23700 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:37:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id IAA14941 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:37:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 18A70155B; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:20:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:20:29 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: IBM Java Compiler Message-ID: <19981208082029.A13098@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-chat References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.16i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 07:11:49PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4871 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jason C. Wells: > This is entry number two for IBM into the Open Source foray. They have > adopted Apache and now have released a previously proprietary piece of > software. Entry number three will be VM^H^HPostfix, the mailer Wietze Venema is writing during his work at IBM's research centre. First beta release is due on Friday! -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 8 01:22:20 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 23:48:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24917 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24912 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:48:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA85020; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:48:09 -0800 (PST) To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:56:32 PST." Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:48:08 -0800 Message-ID: <85016.913103288@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > "FreeBSD is not going to be a pick your binary format system," stated by > sources unremembered. I think it's a bit early to speculate about the binary formats we'll be releasing Applixware in and that's probably enough said. > 3.0 _is_ RELEASE. Maybe we should treat it as such. I get the feeling the > 3.0-RELEASE is the redheaded step child of the FreeBSD world. "Sure we put > it on our web page but you might want to run 2.2.8 instead." No, it's simply what happens with every .0 release and happened as well with 2.0.0, 2.1.0 and 2.2.0. Most of those getting worried about 3.0's "special status" are newcomers with little sense of history. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 23:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25047 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:49:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25042 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:49:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (root@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA30606 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:49:23 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA09389 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:49:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-Reply-To: <199812080704.XAA00730@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >>Jason Wrote some stuff in there too but he doesn't have Greg's superdyne >>autorecover. >This is an admonition to -current users. I guess the commentary in the Makefiles has a targeted audience, eh? I find them to be on of the best sources for docs. >Applixware should run with the compat-22 kit installed, if not without. >The goal is to make it applicable to the widest possible installed base. Cool! I really would like to beta test this. I have to say I have a really good "field reference platform" by which to battle test Applix. If Applix can stay unbroke here it must be good. :) >> 3.0 _is_ RELEASE. Maybe we should treat it as such. I get the feeling the >> 3.0-RELEASE is the redheaded step child of the FreeBSD world. "Sure we put >> it on our web page but you might want to run 2.2.8 instead." > >This was stated unequvocally in the 3.0 release notes. Pay more >attention. 8) Nothing caught me by surprise really. I knew what I was in for when I decided to get rid of aout. Actually it went smoothly, but time consuming as I updated about 40 ports including X. For me, it is faster if I rearrange the bits on my kitchen table and the pour them into the machine with a funnel. I was just quipping about the release cum stable cum current status of 3.0 more than anything. I actually I really quite like 3.0. I am still working on cleaning out etc properly (what's this "periodic" thingy doing here?). I don't know what you guys did but my kernel build times went from 30 minutes to 2 minutes. That's a plus any way I look at it as I often play with scrap hardware that floats around campus. You would be amazed at the stuff people throw away. I even have an Intel PCI network card. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 7 23:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25269 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:53:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25261 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:52:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA85050; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:52:20 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Smith cc: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:04:40 PST." <199812080704.XAA00730@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:52:20 -0800 Message-ID: <85046.913103540@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Applixware should run with the compat-22 kit installed, if not without. > The goal is to make it applicable to the widest possible installed base. Again, it's far too easy to say which binary formats we'll be supporting and I find such speculation at this time to be just a tad premature. Given the ever-changing nature of this biz and the rather unspecific nature of the date which we know the Applixware "port" will be completed by, we may very well decide to do both a.out and ELF versions by then, or perhaps a static as well as dynamic a.out version which just works everywhere and doesn't require *any* external libs. Not having had the chance to measure the differences in performance characteristics between the various options, we don't even know what constitutes our full range of practical alternatives and debating it now only risks a lot of energy being expended over issues which may become moot or redundant by the time we ship. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 00:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28772 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28767 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (root@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id AAA30312; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:26:54 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id AAA05911; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:26:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-Reply-To: <85016.913103288@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >No, it's simply what happens with every .0 release and happened as >well with 2.0.0, 2.1.0 and 2.2.0. Most of those getting worried about >3.0's "special status" are newcomers with little sense of history. :) I ain't that _new_ ! Well, maybe just a little. IIRC, I came on for 2.1.5. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 05:04:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22844 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22835 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15011; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:03:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA28012; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:03:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981208140351.A13839@follo.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:03:51 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Greg Lehey , jobaldwi@vt.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gcc and dup variables... References: <19981208150459.Q12688@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981208150459.Q12688@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Dec 08, 1998 at 03:04:59PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 08, 1998 at 03:04:59PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > It seems that ld has merged these two references into the same > > thing, > > This is a feature, not a bug. Your feature - my bug. I consider this a very long-standing bug in Unix ld. > > with some rather interesting side effects when I tried to print the > > string out after opening the file. > > Indeed :-) > > > I would've thought that I would have gotten a linker > > error for duplicate symbols of conflicting types, but I guess that ld treats > > all pointers the same as it doesn't know types? But, I also thought that if > > two modules both had non-external vars of the same name ld should've flagged > > that instead of silently merging the two. So a) is this how ld is supposed to > > work > > Yes. No. 5 An external definition is an external declaration that is also a definition of a function or an object. If an identifier declared with external linkage is used in an expression (other than as part of the operand of a sizeof operator), somewhere in the entire program there shall be exactly one external definition for the identifier; otherwise, there shall be no more than one.117 Section 6.7.5 of the draft standard (I don't have the original handy; the text for this part is just about identical). > > and b) if so, why? > > Because nobody ever got round to defining arbitrary types for the C > linker. Beep! Operator error - please try again at another time. This has been done at various times by various parties. I believe one example of such a definition is contained in a standard for something called 'ELF'. > > I can see how if one was two lazy to declare variables extern > > everywhere but once that this would be helpful, but I'd rather ld > > give me a link error as it can lead to some interesting bugs. > > This is one of the reasons why people like Bruce snoop around and put > 'static' in front of every variable which will take it. I believe I took care all of 'em last week, except for the ones in CAM, which I just bounced to Justin. You should expect a commit Real Soon Now. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 05:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22994 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:06:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from animaniacs.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA22988 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:06:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Received: from localhost (jamie@localhost) by animaniacs.itribe.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA15189; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:06:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:06:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > >No, it's simply what happens with every .0 release and happened as > >well with 2.0.0, 2.1.0 and 2.2.0. Most of those getting worried about > >3.0's "special status" are newcomers with little sense of history. :) > > I ain't that _new_ ! Well, maybe just a little. IIRC, I came on for 2.1.5. You didn't get to experience the joy of running snapshots after 2.0 was released anxiously awaiting 2.0.5. Jamie Bowden -- Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 05:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27718 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27698 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16687; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:57:59 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA28179; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:57:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981208145752.B13839@follo.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:57:52 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? References: <199812080704.XAA00730@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 11:49:00PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 11:49:00PM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > I actually I really quite like 3.0. I am still working on cleaning out etc > properly (what's this "periodic" thingy doing here?). > > I don't know what you guys did but my kernel build times went from 30 > minutes to 2 minutes. That's a plus any way I look at it as I often play > with scrap hardware that floats around campus. You would be amazed at the > stuff people throw away. I even have an Intel PCI network card. I just made sure that everything repected the dependency system Peter created, and then activated the build based on dependencies by default. This means you won't be rebuilding anything beyond what is necessary on a re-build - but it also means that 'make depend' is now critical for getting the right result (unless you blow away the compile directory, e.g. by specifying 'config -r'). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 06:00:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27922 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:00:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27909 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16748; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:00:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA28212; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:00:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981208150026.C13839@follo.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:00:26 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Brett Glass , "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat Cc: Ken Keeler Subject: Re: IBM Java Compiler References: <4.1.19981207225415.068a1f10@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981207225415.068a1f10@mail.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 10:54:39PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 10:54:39PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 07:11 PM 12/7/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > >This smells like a win for free software. Big Blue has not only endorsed > >free software by using Apache but it gave a big chunk back in this > >compiler. > > Under what license? Pretty much BSD-style, except that you loose all rights to use the software if you sue any of the contributors - a nice twist :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 10:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24289 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tibatong.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (tibatong.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24283 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tg@tibatong.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from tg@localhost) by tibatong.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13832; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:09:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tg) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CVS problem Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 08 Dec 1998 19:09:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87emqa1p5k.fsf@tibatong.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.34/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Moin, has anyone seen this CVS error message before? RCS file: /home/tg/cvs/diplom/bericht/ams.eps.gz,v done Checking in ams.eps.gz; cvs [commit aborted]: cannot rename file /tmp/cvsI13786 to ams.eps.gz: Cross-device link I have `cvs add'ed ams.eps.gz and now I'm trying to commit it. This message is not in the chapter on troubleshooting CVS. I do have wrappers installed for .gz-files, and I know they have worked before. This is with ``Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.9.26 (client/server)'' on a recent -stable, if that matters. /tmp/cvsI13786 looks like this: 88 -rw-r--r-- 1 tg bin - 44414 Dec 8 18:59 cvsI13786 and contains the base64'd ams.eps.gz, in the correct format for inclusion into ~tg/cvs/diplom/bericht/ams.eps.gz,v. Any ideas welcome. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 10:32:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26060 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26055 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:32:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4047.ime.net [209.90.195.57]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id NAA11910; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:31:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981208132859.00c5de50@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:29:57 -0500 To: "Jason C. Wells" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? Cc: FreeBSD-chat In-Reply-To: References: <85016.913103288@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:26 AM 12/8/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >>No, it's simply what happens with every .0 release and happened as >>well with 2.0.0, 2.1.0 and 2.2.0. Most of those getting worried about >>3.0's "special status" are newcomers with little sense of history. :) > >I ain't that _new_ ! Well, maybe just a little. IIRC, I came on for 2.1.5. I came on in 2.0 I think.. Whatever the January 1994 disc was.. ironically I still have that thing somewhere.. If I remember right it supported my pathetic Sony 2X (CDU33A) attached to the proprietary card.. Memories.. :P --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us PGP ID: 409A1F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 12:35:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06433 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:35:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06423 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:35:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.42]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA3146 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:37:49 +0500 Message-ID: <366D8DCE.208EA3A7@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:36:30 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: IBM Java Compiler References: <19981208082029.A13098@keltia.freenix.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There was also published rumour that they would release Smartsuite under GPL some time ago...(I am still crossing fingers on that one). In any case the best URL for Jikes seems to be http://www.alphaWorks.ibm.com/Home/ cheers, Pedro. Ollivier Robert wrote: > > According to Jason C. Wells: > > This is entry number two for IBM into the Open Source foray. They have > > adopted Apache and now have released a previously proprietary piece of > > software. > > Entry number three will be VM^H^HPostfix, the mailer Wietze Venema is > writing during his work at IBM's research centre. > > First beta release is due on Friday! > > > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 8 01:22:20 CET 1998 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 13:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13754 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13746 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:37:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA23507 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:37:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA23559; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:22:39 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:22:39 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199812082122.WAA23559@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: <19981207131035.H13839@follo.net> <4.1.19981207113952.0421bbd0@mail.lariat.org> From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Subject: Re: Question regarding Linux emulation X-Original-Newsgroups: local.freebsd.chat To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > You're coming dangerously close to saying that FreeBSD is "a better > Linux than Linux." ;-) This was almost the case when a friend of mine ran StarOffice for the first time (the Linux version, of course). While he at least got it to run on FreeBSD, albeit slow as StarOffice was (is), his colleagues didn't manage it to get that far directly on their Linux machines. :-} -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 14:29:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21100 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21087 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA27553 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:29:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 1FD84155B; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:25:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:25:28 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? Message-ID: <19981208232528.A16912@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-chat References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.16i In-Reply-To: ; from Jamie Bowden on Tue, Dec 08, 1998 at 08:06:42AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4871 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jamie Bowden: > You didn't get to experience the joy of running snapshots after 2.0 was > released anxiously awaiting 2.0.5. And the joy of current at that time... I remember the day David committed the new VM, days after 2.0-RELEASE: davidg 95/01/09 08:06:03 Modified: sys/conf param.c sys/i386/i386 machdep.c pmap.c trap.c vm_machdep.c ... Log: These changes embody the support of the fully coherent merged VM buffer cache, much higher filesystem I/O performance, and much better paging performance. It represents the culmination of over 6 months of R&D. The majority of the merged VM/cache work is by John Dyson. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 8 01:22:20 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 16:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00808 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:02:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ogurok.com (ogurok.com [208.212.72.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00803; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Received: from localhost (oleg@localhost) by ogurok.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04540; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:09:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:09:12 -0500 (EST) From: Oleg Ogurok To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Web-style database Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, all. Has somebody tried to make web-style database? Is there any tools in Freebsd for that? Maybe some Perl/SQL stuff? I have some experience in FoxPro/DOS. Could somebody recomend me something to create database and then allow web users query it? Thank you. Oleg Ogurok oleg@ogurok.com http://www.ogurok.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 16:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02166 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:05:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (KievglavArhit-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02098; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:05:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (kulshedra [10.0.1.99]) by gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA12415; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:03:17 +0200 Message-ID: <366DDADC.34280C73@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:05:17 +0000 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oleg Ogurok CC: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web-style database References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oleg Ogurok wrote: > Hi, all. > > Has somebody tried to make web-style database? Is there any tools in > Freebsd for that? Maybe some Perl/SQL stuff? I have some experience in > FoxPro/DOS. Could somebody recomend me something to create database and > then allow web users query it? Thank you. > the most common solution is use php/mySQL > > Oleg Ogurok > oleg@ogurok.com > http://www.ogurok.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 16:12:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04142 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ogurok.com (ogurok.com [208.212.72.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04137; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:12:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Received: from localhost (oleg@localhost) by ogurok.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04581; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:18:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:18:45 -0500 (EST) From: Oleg Ogurok To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web-style database In-Reply-To: <366DDADC.34280C73@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there. What is "php". Oleg. On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > Oleg Ogurok wrote: > > > Hi, all. > > > > Has somebody tried to make web-style database? Is there any tools in > > Freebsd for that? Maybe some Perl/SQL stuff? I have some experience in > > FoxPro/DOS. Could somebody recomend me something to create database and > > then allow web users query it? Thank you. > > > > the most common solution is use php/mySQL > > > > > Oleg Ogurok > > oleg@ogurok.com > > http://www.ogurok.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 8 16:17:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04726 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:17:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silk.net (music.silk.net [206.12.206.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04695; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@silk.net) Received: from Support3 (support3.silk.net [204.244.106.70]) by silk.net (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA27407; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:16:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981208161722.00699e94@silk.net> X-Sender: eddie@silk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:17:22 -0800 To: Oleg Ogurok , rssh@grad.kiev.ua From: Eddie Lawhead Subject: Re: Web-style database Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <366DDADC.34280C73@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Go and check out www.php3.net It is very cool..... Eddie Lawhead At 07:18 PM 12/8/98 -0500, Oleg Ogurok wrote: >Hi there. > >What is "php". > > >Oleg. > >On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > >> Oleg Ogurok wrote: >> >> > Hi, all. >> > >> > Has somebody tried to make web-style database? Is there any tools in >> > Freebsd for that? Maybe some Perl/SQL stuff? I have some experience in >> > FoxPro/DOS. Could somebody recomend me something to create database and >> > then allow web users query it? Thank you. >> > >> >> the most common solution is use php/mySQL >> >> > >> > Oleg Ogurok >> > oleg@ogurok.com >> > http://www.ogurok.com >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 9 05:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16243 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:41:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16226 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:41:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA19717; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:41:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Drew Baxter Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? References: <85016.913103288@zippy.cdrom.com> <4.1.19981208132859.00c5de50@genesis.ispace.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Dec 1998 14:41:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: Drew Baxter's message of "Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:29:57 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter writes: > I came on in 2.0 I think.. Whatever the January 1994 disc was.. > ironically I still have that thing somewhere.. If I remember right > it supported my pathetic Sony 2X (CDU33A) attached to the > proprietary card.. Memories.. :P Goes to prove merkins don't know the meaning of the word "irony"... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 9 06:06:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18256 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18251 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA20728; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:06:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Peter Dufault Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Year 2k and PC hardware References: <199812050943.EAA17915@hda.hda.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Dec 1998 15:06:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: Peter Dufault's message of "Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:43:02 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Dufault writes: > > While the "all nines" stop is a time honored tradition in COBOL, > > both the day and the month field are two digits, not one digit, > > and therefore the stop is 99/99/99, which will never happen, > > not " 9/ 9/99". > Are you sure? I also heard the "9999 flag" thing on the radio last > year, but the date mentioned was in April. I guess that would > make it the ninety-ninth day of 1999. There are OSes (e.g. OS/360) which store the date as the year and the number of days since new year (in "The Mythical Man-Month", Brooks gripes about wasting 26 bytes on code that handled 12/31 properly in leap years, rather than leaving it to the operator) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 9 08:30:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29888 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:30:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29883 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20695; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:30:35 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA16517; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:30:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981209173025.H15330@follo.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:30:25 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Drew Baxter Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? References: <85016.913103288@zippy.cdrom.com> <4.1.19981208132859.00c5de50@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 02:41:00PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 02:41:00PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Drew Baxter writes: > > I came on in 2.0 I think.. Whatever the January 1994 disc was.. > > ironically I still have that thing somewhere.. If I remember right > > it supported my pathetic Sony 2X (CDU33A) attached to the > > proprietary card.. Memories.. :P > > Goes to prove merkins don't know the meaning of the word "irony"... It is an adjective derived from from the word iron, and means that the object under discussion has some of the same properties as iron. E.g, "The fence is irony" means that the fence is not made of iron, but it has some properties in common with things made of iron. "Don't know the meaning of." Bah. Eivind, who just for a moment had to suppress the fact that he is _not_ an american. Whoops. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 9 10:47:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12672 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:47:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12665 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:47:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4007.ime.net [209.90.195.17]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id NAA23430; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:46:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981209134057.009e0ee0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:45:04 -0500 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Beta Testers For Applixware? Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-chat In-Reply-To: References: <85016.913103288@zippy.cdrom.com> <4.1.19981208132859.00c5de50@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:41 PM 12/9/98 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >Drew Baxter writes: >> I came on in 2.0 I think.. Whatever the January 1994 disc was.. >> ironically I still have that thing somewhere.. If I remember right >> it supported my pathetic Sony 2X (CDU33A) attached to the >> proprietary card.. Memories.. :P > >Goes to prove merkins don't know the meaning of the word "irony"... --- Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913] irony \I"ron*y\, n.[L. ironia, Gr. ? dissimulation, fr. ? a dissembler in speech, fr. ? to speak; perh. akin to E. word: cf. F. ironie.] 1. Dissimulation; ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist. 2. A sort of humor, ridicule, or light sarcasm, which adopts a mode of speech the meaning of which is contrary to the literal sense of the words. --- I personally couldn't have said it better myself. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us PGP ID: 409A1F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 10 13:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20837 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:31:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from omahpop1.omah.uswest.net (omahpop1.omah.uswest.net [204.26.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20824 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@open-systems.net) Received: (qmail 6746 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 21:31:16 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 6736 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 1998 21:31:15 -0000 Received: from dialupb83.ne.uswest.net (HELO pinkfloyd.open-systems.net) (209.180.96.83) by omahpop1.omah.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 21:31:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:31:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Open Systems Inc." 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Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Kvt bloated or is it just me? :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am wondering if anyone else sees this. kvt which is supposed to be based on rxvt has 3 times the memory usage. I don't get it. I don't see any added features in kvt that justify this. 2056 jason 2 0 4552K 3452K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kvt 2071 jason 2 0 2572K 1948K select 0:00 0.27% 0.19% xterm 2036 jason 2 0 1636K 1112K select 0:00 0.04% 0.04% rxvt Is there a way for me to lean down the memory usage of kvt to the rxvt level? Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 12:04:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20581 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20565 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:04:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id VAA15597 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:04:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 29D9E155B; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:02:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:02:36 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Kvt bloated or is it just me? :) Message-ID: <19981211200236.A5922@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-chat References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.16i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Fri, Dec 11, 1998 at 12:30:15AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4871 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jason C. Wells: > Is there a way for me to lean down the memory usage of kvt to the rxvt > level? Yes, don't use it :-) You lose a fair bit of screen space with the menu and so on w/o a significant gain IMO. WRT respect to rxvt/xterm, I often see rxvt taking more memory than xterm... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 8 01:22:20 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 12:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26122 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:44:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26104 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08860; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:43:28 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981211204327.58902@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:43:27 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I suppose tech-support can be quite stressful; Originally spotted on _Need to know_, at N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 18:11:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00307 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00302 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07588; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:10:12 -0800 (PST) To: Nik Clayton cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:43:27 GMT." <19981211204327.58902@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:10:12 -0800 Message-ID: <7585.913428612@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well, I suppose tech-support can be quite stressful; FreeBSD users are notorious stoners. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 19:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06296 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:13:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06291 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA08990; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:13:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981211201210.06db73b0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:12:49 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Nik Clayton From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <7585.913428612@zippy.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:10 PM 12/11/98 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >FreeBSD users are notorious stoners. Whom do they stone? Linux users? ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 19:16:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06751 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:16:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06746 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23354; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:15:58 -0800 (PST) To: Brett Glass cc: Nik Clayton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:12:49 MST." <4.1.19981211201210.06db73b0@mail.lariat.org> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:15:57 -0800 Message-ID: <23351.913432557@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Whom do they stone? Linux users? ;-) Only if some happen to follow them outside during a party. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 19:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09574 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:56:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atl.bellsouth.net (mail.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09569 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from remote.my.domain (host-209-214-79-132.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.79.132]) by mail.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08399 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from remote (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by remote.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02473 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:56:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812120356.WAA02473@remote.my.domain> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:12:49 MST." <4.1.19981211201210.06db73b0@mail.lariat.org> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:56:09 -0500 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > FreeBSD users are notorious stoners. > > Whom do they stone? Linux users? ;-) > Well, nobody's getting stoned over here this week... I *gotta* move back to California! Jerry Hicks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 20:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11138 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:09:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11133 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:08:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gummibear@we.mediaone.net) From: gummibear@we.mediaone.net Received: from ale.we.mediaone.net (we-24-130-60-145.we.mediaone.net [24.130.60.145]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA01681 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:08:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981211201213.006a54f0@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:12:13 -0800 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? In-Reply-To: <199812120356.WAA02473@remote.my.domain> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:56 PM 12/11/98 -0500, W Gerald Hicks wrote: >> > >> > FreeBSD users are notorious stoners. >> >> Whom do they stone? Linux users? ;-) >> > >Well, nobody's getting stoned over here this week... Bummer! ;) On my last birthday party, a friend of mine gave me some, not alot, but enough. It was like really good. > >I *gotta* move back to California! By the way, the "stuff" was from San Luis Obispo, Ca imported to Los Angeles. heh > >Jerry Hicks Joey Garcia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 20:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11659 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:17:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11654 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:17:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Pdroobie (56k-port4034.ime.net [209.90.195.44]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id XAA60854 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:17:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981211231004.00aab920@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:13:38 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981211201213.006a54f0@we.mediaone.net> References: <199812120356.WAA02473@remote.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:12 PM 12/11/98 -0800, gummibear@we.mediaone.net wrote: >At 10:56 PM 12/11/98 -0500, W Gerald Hicks wrote: >>> > >>> > FreeBSD users are notorious stoners. >>> >>> Whom do they stone? Linux users? ;-) >>> >> >>Well, nobody's getting stoned over here this week... > >Bummer! ;) On my last birthday party, a friend of mine gave me some, not >alot, but enough. It was like really good. > >> >>I *gotta* move back to California! > >By the way, the "stuff" was from San Luis Obispo, Ca imported to Los >Angeles. heh I just overuse caffiene and shorten my lifespan by seeing how long I can go before having to bolt to the can to let it out.. All I can say is "Bladder, you'll thank me, some day". I don't do tech support, but I do work in a school.. and a bunch of annoying kids saying "What are you doing?" is pretty bad.. But I have to be a role model so I'm not allowed to go get drunk and all that crap.. Just wonderful, I'm 17 years old, and I've got to be a damn role model. All I gotta say is, most of the people in this whole game are probably on something. Let it be something simplistic like coffee, or some sort of illegal narcotic. It doesn't matter if you're a Linux user, or a FreeBSD user, although I hear the Windows NT Server admin are the ones that are the most screwed up.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us PGP ID: 409A1F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 20:30:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12719 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:30:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12712 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:30:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA04064; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:29:47 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981212152942.65164@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:29:42 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? References: <4.1.19981211201210.06db73b0@mail.lariat.org> <199812120356.WAA02473@remote.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199812120356.WAA02473@remote.my.domain>; from W Gerald Hicks on Fri, Dec 11, 1998 at 10:56:09PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 11, 1998 at 10:56:09PM -0500, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > > > > > > FreeBSD users are notorious stoners. > > > > Whom do they stone? Linux users? ;-) > > > > Well, nobody's getting stoned over here this week... Just up the road from here today 20,000 bikers gathered for the procession celebrating the 25th anniversary of Stone. You'll probably hear the death and injury reports once they work out what happened and where the car came from. A FreeBSD user and a NetBSD user are not quite so disappointed about missing the event after all. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 20:33:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12987 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:33:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atl.bellsouth.net (mail.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12982 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:33:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-79-132.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.79.132]) by mail.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13906; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:29:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3671F1AF.B21C4493@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:31:43 -0500 From: W Gerald Hicks Organization: Fair Play, Uninc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Baxter CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? References: <199812120356.WAA02473@remote.my.domain> <4.1.19981211231004.00aab920@genesis.ispace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter wrote: [snips] > I just overuse caffiene and shorten my lifespan by seeing how long I can go before having to bolt to the can to let it out.. All I can say is "Bladder, you'll thank me, some day". > > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA > http://www.droo.orland.me.us I dunno Drew. With a nickname like "Droobie" I find this hard to believe. ;-) Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 11 20:40:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13414 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:40:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13409 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:40:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Pdroobie (56k-port4034.ime.net [209.90.195.44]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id XAA60913; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:40:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981211233335.00ab37a0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:36:58 -0500 To: W Gerald Hicks From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Portrait of a FreeBSD user? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3671F1AF.B21C4493@bellsouth.net> References: <199812120356.WAA02473@remote.my.domain> <4.1.19981211231004.00aab920@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:31 PM 12/11/98 -0500, W Gerald Hicks wrote: >Drew Baxter wrote: >[snips] >> I just overuse caffiene and shorten my lifespan by seeing how long I can >go before having to bolt to the can to let it out.. All I can say is >"Bladder, you'll thank me, some day". > >I dunno Drew. With a nickname like "Droobie" I find this hard to >believe. > >;-) Well my friends call me Droo.. As it goes I've never used drugs, smoked, and I don't drink either. Been doing the computer thing for nearly 14 years too.. I figure it'll just shorten my life, and I certainly am not likely to meet many women by doing this job. Actually, when I say it that way, I'm getting away from this thing. :) I'm not going to be single the rest of my life.. I guess I'll have to sell it as "I'm not like everyone else my age" or something like that. Personal ad here I come.. Ok, maybe not THAT far.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter OneNetwork Exchange http://www.Droo.orland.me.us OneNet@Onenetwork.orland.me.us, Netmonger@genesis.ispace.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message