From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 00:02:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25390 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 00:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA25298 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 00:01:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yYQ79-0003OW-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 00:01:39 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Brandon Lockhart cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: smart ifconfig? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 10 May 1998, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > Just wondering if IFCONFIG has been modified yet to support the ability to > limit data sent from each port over a certain device. IE, allow 3mbps to > go over eth0 port 80. Etc. I know there was talk, just wondering if it > was implemented yet. Search archives for "altq". It has recently reached version >1.0, and is now quite stable. Developed by someone at Sony. It can do traffic shaping and custom priority queues. There is at two least two more similar project underway. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 01:31:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01790 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (ns.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01783 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:31:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp) Received: from localhost (ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.138]) by mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id RAA23589; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:28:36 +0900 (JST) To: julian@whistle.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update code looking very stable Reply-To: ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 9 May 1998 01:22:41 -0700 (PDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93b1 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980510172836R.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:28:36 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 65 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Following is my dump list. I hope that it would help understandings of the cause. IdlePTD 287000 initial pcb at 25656c panicstr: softdep_fsync: pending ops panic messages: --- panic: softdep_fsync: pending ops syncing disks... panic: softdep_disk_write_complete: lock is held dumping to dev 401, offset 147456 dump 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:297 297 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:297 #1 0xf0115daa in panic ( fmt=0xf01d523f "softdep_disk_write_complete: lock is held") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:441 #2 0xf01d52ff in softdep_disk_write_complete (bp=0xf32e78b8) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:2902 #3 0xf01324a6 in biodone (bp=0xf32e78b8) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1917 #4 0xf013430c in cluster_callback (bp=0xf32aa1e8) at ../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:484 #5 0xf0132482 in biodone (bp=0xf32aa1e8) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1912 #6 0xf01c6374 in scsi_done (xs=0xf08ff280) at ../../scsi/scsi_base.c:448 #7 0xf0235f3c in ahc_done (ahc=0xf090a800, scb=0xf0751e80) at ../../i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c:1951 #8 0xf023394f in ahc_intr (arg=0xf090a800) at ../../i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c:819 #9 0xf01f3e72 in vec11 () #10 0xf0132287 in biowait (bp=0xf32d93c8) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1859 #11 0xf01302af in bread (vp=0xf5b28f60, blkno=65760, size=8192, cred=0x0, bpp=0xf5c83b98) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:299 #12 0xf01d062f in ffs_update (vp=0xf5b25c20, access=0xf5c83bd8, modify=0xf5c83bd8, waitfor=0) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c:115 #13 0xf01d8cba in ffs_sync (mp=0xf08fb400, waitfor=2, cred=0xf0924e80, p=0xf027ac6c) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vfsops.c:989 #14 0xf01392a3 in sync (p=0xf027ac6c, uap=0x0) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:509 #15 0xf011596b in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:219 #16 0xf0115daa in panic (fmt=0xf01d61f9 "softdep_fsync: pending ops") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:441 #17 0xf01d62de in softdep_fsync (vp=0xf5e5f8c0) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:3577 #18 0xf01da87c in ffs_fsync (ap=0xf5c83da4) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:261 #19 0xf01d0927 in ffs_truncate (vp=0xf5e5f8c0, length=0x000000000000d000, flags=0, cred=0xf09a0700, p=0xf5c29d40) at vnode_if.h:499 #20 0xf01dedd9 in ufs_setattr (ap=0xf5c83ed8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:487 #21 0xf01e1285 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xf5c83ed8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2248 #22 0xf013b924 in ftruncate (p=0xf5c29d40, uap=0xf5c83f84) at vnode_if.h:275 #23 0xf020069f in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = -272639352, tf_esi = -272639242, tf_ebp = -272639508, tf_isp = -171425836, tf_ebx = 1074262112, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 53248, tf_eax = 198, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 7, tf_eip = 1074204961, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 534, tf_esp = -272639540, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1031 #24 0x40071121 in ?? () #25 0x18d0 in ?? () #26 0x175f in ?? () #27 0x1099 in ?? () (kgdb) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 04:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16455 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 04:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16449 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 04:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (root@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08908 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:27:07 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03234 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:27:01 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199805101127.NAA03234@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make world broken in usr.bin/lex Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:26:59 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Current is broken in usr.bin/lex at the moment (Sun 10th May 13:30 +0200). [greenpeace] /usr/src/usr.bin/lex # make depend lex -t -is /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/scan.l > scan.c rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I. -I/usr/src/usr.bin/lex scan.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/c cl.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/dfa.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/ecs.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/ gen.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/main.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/misc.c /usr/src/usr.bin/l ex/nfa.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/skel.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/sym.c /usr/src/usr.bin /lex/tblcmp.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/yylex.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/scan.l:33: parse.h: No such file or directory /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/yylex.c:33: parse.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop. -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 05:39:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19346 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19336 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA00394; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:38:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805101238.WAA00394@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Make world broken in usr.bin/lex In-Reply-To: <199805101127.NAA03234@greenpeace.grondar.za> from Mark Murray at "May 10, 98 01:26:59 pm" To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:38:49 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Murray wrote: > Current is broken in usr.bin/lex at the moment (Sun 10th May 13:30 +0200). > /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/scan.l:33: parse.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/yylex.c:33: parse.h: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 I added parse.h to beforedepend to my local sources to get around this. binutils/ld is also broken in the same way. Consider this a workaround because Bruce will probably have a different fix. He always does. 8-) -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 06:27:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22941 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22902 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (root@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12334; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:26:47 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03900; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:26:46 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199805101326.PAA03900@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: John Birrell cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make world broken in usr.bin/lex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:26:44 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > I added parse.h to beforedepend to my local sources to get around this. > binutils/ld is also broken in the same way. Didn't work here. I think the .y.h: rule is hosed. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 07:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28627 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (ns.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28619 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp) Received: from localhost (ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.138]) by mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id XAA24121; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:40:02 +0900 (JST) To: julian@whistle.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update code looking very stable X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93b1 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980510234002J.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:40:02 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 35 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It completed "make buildworld" with DC390U/F!! It seems very stable now. Also, the completion time of "make buildworld" was about 78% of that of without "softupdate", so it must be working. Isn't it possible to be because of the implementation detail differences of drivers (Adaptec 2940U/W vs. DC390U/F)? My dmesg says; : : : : Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.1.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.1.1 vga0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.9.0 ncr0: rev 0x03 int a irq 12 on pci0.10.0 ncr0: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus0 at ncr0 bus 0 sd0 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access sd0: WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd0: 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors) : : : ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.12.0 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus1 at ahc0 bus 0 ahc0:A:6: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers cd0 at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 cd0: type 5 removable SCSI 2 : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 14:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10643 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10638 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16396; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd016393; Sun May 10 20:59:47 1998 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Takeshi Yamada cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update code {NOT} looking very stable In-Reply-To: <19980510172836R.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well it looks as if Softupdates is not a s solid as it appears here under VERY heavy load (make -j[big-number] world) we'll keep working on it.. in the meantime I'd love to hear if anyone is using it on a NEWS disk with expire's.. julian On Sun, 10 May 1998, Takeshi Yamada wrote: > Following is my dump list. > I hope that it would help understandings of the cause. > > [...] julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 14:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10659 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10644 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16349; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd016345; Sun May 10 20:56:32 1998 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Takeshi Yamada cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update code looking very stable In-Reply-To: <19980510172836R.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG thanks for the dumps they will be useful when I switch back to softupdates.. (I can only work on that a couple of day per week) your assistance and patience is appreciated! julian On Sun, 10 May 1998, Takeshi Yamada wrote: > Following is my dump list. > I hope that it would help understandings of the cause. > > > IdlePTD 287000 > initial pcb at 25656c > panicstr: softdep_fsync: pending ops > panic messages: > --- > panic: softdep_fsync: pending ops > > syncing disks... panic: softdep_disk_write_complete: lock is held > > dumping to dev 401, offset 147456 > dump 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 > --- > #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:297 > 297 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); > (kgdb) bt > #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:297 > #1 0xf0115daa in panic ( > fmt=0xf01d523f "softdep_disk_write_complete: lock is held") > at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:441 > #2 0xf01d52ff in softdep_disk_write_complete (bp=0xf32e78b8) > at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:2902 > #3 0xf01324a6 in biodone (bp=0xf32e78b8) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1917 > #4 0xf013430c in cluster_callback (bp=0xf32aa1e8) > at ../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:484 > #5 0xf0132482 in biodone (bp=0xf32aa1e8) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1912 > #6 0xf01c6374 in scsi_done (xs=0xf08ff280) at ../../scsi/scsi_base.c:448 > #7 0xf0235f3c in ahc_done (ahc=0xf090a800, scb=0xf0751e80) > at ../../i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c:1951 > #8 0xf023394f in ahc_intr (arg=0xf090a800) at ../../i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c:819 > #9 0xf01f3e72 in vec11 () > #10 0xf0132287 in biowait (bp=0xf32d93c8) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1859 > #11 0xf01302af in bread (vp=0xf5b28f60, blkno=65760, size=8192, cred=0x0, > bpp=0xf5c83b98) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:299 > #12 0xf01d062f in ffs_update (vp=0xf5b25c20, access=0xf5c83bd8, > modify=0xf5c83bd8, waitfor=0) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c:115 > #13 0xf01d8cba in ffs_sync (mp=0xf08fb400, waitfor=2, cred=0xf0924e80, > p=0xf027ac6c) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vfsops.c:989 > #14 0xf01392a3 in sync (p=0xf027ac6c, uap=0x0) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:509 > #15 0xf011596b in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:219 > #16 0xf0115daa in panic (fmt=0xf01d61f9 "softdep_fsync: pending ops") > at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:441 > #17 0xf01d62de in softdep_fsync (vp=0xf5e5f8c0) > at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:3577 > #18 0xf01da87c in ffs_fsync (ap=0xf5c83da4) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:261 > #19 0xf01d0927 in ffs_truncate (vp=0xf5e5f8c0, length=0x000000000000d000, > flags=0, cred=0xf09a0700, p=0xf5c29d40) at vnode_if.h:499 > #20 0xf01dedd9 in ufs_setattr (ap=0xf5c83ed8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:487 > #21 0xf01e1285 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xf5c83ed8) > at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2248 > #22 0xf013b924 in ftruncate (p=0xf5c29d40, uap=0xf5c83f84) at vnode_if.h:275 > #23 0xf020069f in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = -272639352, > tf_esi = -272639242, tf_ebp = -272639508, tf_isp = -171425836, > tf_ebx = 1074262112, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 53248, tf_eax = 198, > tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 7, tf_eip = 1074204961, tf_cs = 31, > tf_eflags = 534, tf_esp = -272639540, tf_ss = 39}) > at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1031 > #24 0x40071121 in ?? () > #25 0x18d0 in ?? () > #26 0x175f in ?? () > #27 0x1099 in ?? () > (kgdb) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 16:43:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28088 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-56.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28071 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA07930 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:43:07 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:43:06 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any way of rebooting using the serial console when a SCSI bus hang happens? On a Sparc system, the serial console is hardware driven, not software, so you can break down to the prom and reboot that way... With the SCSI bus hang in mind...what is the ETA on getting the CAM drivers finally integrated? :) Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 17:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02421 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@pm3-36.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02368 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA20430; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Julian Elischer cc: Ollivier Robert , current@FreeBSD.ORG, mckusick@mckusick.com Subject: Re: Soft Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > Kirk had some very good arguments but I forget what they were.. > > > On Sun, 10 May 1998, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > > According to Julian Elischer: > > > you need to use the -n option of tunefs on an unmounted filesystem > > > it's not a mount option.. > > > > Why not BTW ? async/noasync are mount options so one could expect > > softupdates to be the same. Is there an reason for the current scheme (not > > that I mind but it would make switch it on/off easier, especially for /). I think Terry had either a solution for this, and/or a good reason why this isn't a mount option. And as always an opinion. - alex "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 17:17:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03074 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:17:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03049 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02132; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:16:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd002121; Sun May 10 17:16:40 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29954; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:16:39 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805110016.RAA29954@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Soft Updates To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:16:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980510004603.A16999@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at May 10, 98 00:46:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > you need to use the -n option of tunefs on an unmounted filesystem > > it's not a mount option.. > > Why not BTW ? async/noasync are mount options so one could expect > softupdates to be the same. Is there an reason for the current scheme (not > that I mind but it would make switch it on/off easier, especially for /). The argument is that when you change a mount option on the FS, the in core buffers do not get flushed. In this case, you could have some writes pending upon which a newly scheduled soft updates write operation should depend, but since the write was scheduled before the soft updates dependency tracking was engaged, the dependency is unrecoverable. There are potentially some issues with FS metadata cached off of the device vnode, as well (this is more of a FreeBSD architectural issue that causes problems unless it is carefully addressed; among other things, maximum FS size is limited by this; otherwise the maximum FS size would be limited vy the offset size, not the maximum VM object size; you would still have a file size limited by VM object size, however). It's very possible to work around this. Specifically, the conversion of an FS from read-write to read-only effectively does an unmount followed by a mount under the covers. The reason Kirk gave for not doing this was that the "under the covers" code was rather gross and convoluted, and it would have had to have been (effectively) duplicated once again for soft updates being switched on and off. I tend to agree that the code is gross and convoluted. See my post in the "NFS exporting an MFS" thread on what could be done to the VFS ops to make this easier to deal with, work for all FS's, and in general, more robust. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 17:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03876 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03719 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA14806; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:20:18 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199805110020.SAA14806@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "May 10, 98 08:43:06 pm" To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The Hermit Hacker wrote... > > Is there any way of rebooting using the serial console when a SCSI bus > hang happens? On a Sparc system, the serial console is hardware driven, > not software, so you can break down to the prom and reboot that way... > > With the SCSI bus hang in mind...what is the ETA on getting the CAM > drivers finally integrated? :) Well, our goal is to get hardware support all the way done, or almost all the way done before CAM goes into -current. If we do that, we'll avoid un-supporting people that were able to use FreeBSD before. There may be a couple of crufty old cards (Seagate ST01?) whose drivers won't get ported to CAM, but most everything else should. As for a real ETA, that's difficult to say. The good news is that Justin's documentation is coming along nicely, so the folks that have been waiting on documentation to continue with writing hardware drivers won't have to wait much longer. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 17:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06667 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06646 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yYgh8-0004ZO-00; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:43:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:43:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: The Hermit Hacker cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 10 May 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Is there any way of rebooting using the serial console when a SCSI bus > hang happens? On a Sparc system, the serial console is hardware driven, > not software, so you can break down to the prom and reboot that way... I think there is a serial console break feature that can put into the debugger, from which you can reboot. Or, you could just use a remote power cycle device. > With the SCSI bus hang in mind...what is the ETA on getting the CAM > drivers finally integrated? :) You must mean the ahc SCSI bus hang, as the SCSI _never_ hanges when using a DPT controller. > Marc G. Fournier > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 21:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08109 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (root@freebsd.im.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.106.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08076 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from localhost (eric@localhost.im.ntu.edu.tw [127.0.0.1]) by FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21415 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:46:34 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:46:34 +0800 (CST) From: Eric To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make reinstall....:PP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiii everyone , I have "make world" successfully on a machine , and when I share /usr/src , /usr/obj to other machines through NFS . A make reinstall stops at ===> games/phantasia install -c -o bin -g games -m 660 characs gold lastdead mess monsters motd scoa install: characs: Permission denied *** Error code 71 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Can anyone please tell me what's matter ??:) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 23:26:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19286 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19281 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id GAA23843; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:24:51 GMT Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:24:51 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Eric cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make reinstall....:PP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, Eric wrote: > Hiii everyone , > I have "make world" successfully on a machine , > and when I share /usr/src , /usr/obj to other machines > through NFS . > A make reinstall stops at > ===> games/phantasia > install -c -o bin -g games -m 660 characs > gold lastdead mess monsters motd scoa install: characs: Permission denied > *** Error code 71 > > Stop. *** Error code 1 > > Can anyone please tell me what's matter ??:) Not without a lot more info. If you are doing a make install as root, can user nobody read the files on your NFS servers? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 23:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21462 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailman.cs.ucla.edu (Mailman.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.128.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21276 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottm@mordred.cs.ucla.edu) Received: from mordred.cs.ucla.edu (mordred.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.48.34]) by mailman.cs.ucla.edu (8.8.8/UCLACS-4.0) with ESMTP id XAA07359 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scottm@localhost) by mordred.cs.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00280 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottm) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Michel Message-Id: <199805110647.XAA00280@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Latest kernel instability Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FWIW John, your latest updates cause wild sig 11's and sig 8's in a kernel cvsup'd from ~9pm Pacific. Had to back out to the previous. And yes, this was after a 'bake world'. procfs and mfs as LKMs cause mount to sig 11 immediately. Eventually everything else starts to sig 11. -scooter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 10 23:59:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22650 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22631 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02117; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:59:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805110659.BAA02117@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Latest kernel instability In-Reply-To: <199805110647.XAA00280@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> from Scott Michel at "May 10, 98 11:47:02 pm" To: scottm@CS.UCLA.EDU (Scott Michel) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:59:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Scott Michel said: > FWIW John, your latest updates cause wild sig 11's and sig 8's in > a kernel cvsup'd from ~9pm Pacific. Had to back out to the previous. > > And yes, this was after a 'bake world'. procfs and mfs as LKMs cause > mount to sig 11 immediately. Eventually everything else starts to > sig 11. > When telling me things like this *please* let me know the kind of machine that you are working with, and also maybe a kernel config file and dmesg output. I have been running practically this same thing on both P5, AMD and P6 machines, at work and at home for the last week. The more info the better. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 01:52:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06835 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d183-205.uoregon.edu (d183-205.uoregon.edu [128.223.183.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06824 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d183-205.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA24008; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980511015205.34492@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:52:05 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Mark Murray Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make world broken in usr.bin/lex References: <199805101127.NAA03234@greenpeace.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199805101127.NAA03234@greenpeace.grondar.za>; from Mark Murray on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 01:26:59PM +0200 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Murray scribbled this message on May 10: > Current is broken in usr.bin/lex at the moment (Sun 10th May 13:30 +0200). > > [greenpeace] /usr/src/usr.bin/lex # make depend > lex -t -is /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/scan.l > scan.c > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I. -I/usr/src/usr.bin/lex scan.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/c > cl.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/dfa.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/ecs.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/ > gen.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/main.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/misc.c /usr/src/usr.bin/l > ex/nfa.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/skel.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/sym.c /usr/src/usr.bin > /lex/tblcmp.c /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/yylex.c > /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/scan.l:33: parse.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/usr.bin/lex/yylex.c:33: parse.h: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. I've been talking to bruce about this one.... I tracked it down to the fact that parse.h gets added to SRCS after the ${DEPENDFILE} target gets defined... so the ${DEPENDFILE} target doesn't depend on the files that are added by ${_YH}... I'm testing my own fix... but bruce will probably have a better one than moving the ${DEPENDFILE} target to the end of bsd.dep.mk... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 02:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08267 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08254 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by mail.visint.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25786; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:09:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:08:55 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Terry Lambert cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-Reply-To: <199805091026.DAA28164@usr06.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > The first machine is SMP. Does the problem happen if you run a UP kernel? That's what I'm trying to find out with 2.2.6 on the second machine as mentioned both machines are gigabyte GA586DX (dual Pentium motherboards). (I've upgraded the processor in the second machine to a 200MMX now as one 133 was way too slow. One thing this has told me is that even if people here do complain about the poor SMP support, it's really noticeable moving back to UP) > The second machine has a noise generator on the bus. You need to locate > it. It may be a sound card without a driver byt with an open source. Ah, that would be this : lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port I'll turn it off from the BIOS next time I get a chance, although it's been configured on the second machine all the time it was running SMP. > I also notice that the interrupt is a shared PCI interrupt in both cases. > > You should try to do something about this for performance reasons as well, > but this *may* be where the problem is lurking. At the very least, it's > a suspicious "coincidence". How do I do something about this? (I Hope that's not too stupid a question!) Thanks, Steve Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 02:13:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08839 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (root@freebsd.im.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.106.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08779 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from localhost (eric@localhost.im.ntu.edu.tw [127.0.0.1]) by FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07015; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:34:17 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:34:16 +0800 (CST) From: Eric To: Michael Hancock cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make reinstall....:PP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG HIii... Here's my NFS exports below... FreeBSD [/usr/ports/x11/xpostitPlus] -eric- cat /etc/exports /home -alldirs mahler /usr/src -alldirs mahler /usr/obj is a symbolic link to /usr/src/obj We have successfully completed times.(make reinstall , make installworld) however , recently , the message goes as following ...:PP On Mon, 11 May 1998, Michael Hancock wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Eric wrote: > > > Hiii everyone , > > I have "make world" successfully on a machine , > > and when I share /usr/src , /usr/obj to other machines > > through NFS . > > A make reinstall stops at > > ===> games/phantasia > > install -c -o bin -g games -m 660 characs > > gold lastdead mess monsters motd scoa install: characs: Permission denied > > *** Error code 71 > > > > Stop. *** Error code 1 > > > > Can anyone please tell me what's matter ??:) > > Not without a lot more info. > > If you are doing a make install as root, can user nobody read the files on > your NFS servers? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 03:17:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16304 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:17:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA16299 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:17:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id KAA26006; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:07:08 GMT Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:07:08 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Eric cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make reinstall....:PP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, Eric wrote: > HIii... Here's my NFS exports below... > > FreeBSD [/usr/ports/x11/xpostitPlus] -eric- cat /etc/exports > /home -alldirs mahler > /usr/src -alldirs mahler > > /usr/obj is a symbolic link to /usr/src/obj I think I already answered your question, hint reread my last message on the bottom. Anyway, here's one workaround: chmod -R +r /usr/src/obj Mike > We have successfully completed times.(make reinstall , make installworld) > however , recently , the message goes as following ...:PP > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Michael Hancock wrote: > > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Eric wrote: > > > > > Hiii everyone , > > > I have "make world" successfully on a machine , > > > and when I share /usr/src , /usr/obj to other machines > > > through NFS . > > > A make reinstall stops at > > > ===> games/phantasia > > > install -c -o bin -g games -m 660 characs > > > gold lastdead mess monsters motd scoa install: characs: Permission denied > > > *** Error code 71 > > > > > > Stop. *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Can anyone please tell me what's matter ??:) > > > > Not without a lot more info. > > > > If you are doing a make install as root, can user nobody read the files on > > your NFS servers? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 04:39:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25683 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA25663; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA17553; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:07:08 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805111007.MAA17553@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: dummynet is working (more or less) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:07:08 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The updated code for dummynet is available at http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ i have it mostly working here on 2.2.6 -- differences with -current should be not significant. In order to make it work you need IPFW and IPDIVERT options in your kernel. There is one problem with the code, which I i am not sure how to fix now: in the call to ip_output, the caller passes a few parameters, including a pointer to a "struct route" . The pointer is saved together with the mbuf containing the packet, and used some time later when the packet is extracted from the queue/delay line and passed to the interface. By that time, the original data structure might have been deallocated :( resulting in a panic or other weird behaviours. I am not sure if the correct way to keep this info alive is to increase reference count to this structure (to be cleared at a later time, but the exact time might be tricky to find out, since i don't really want to modify all low level drivers) or what else. Suggestions welcome. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 04:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27145 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (root@freebsd.im.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.106.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27135 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from localhost (eric@localhost.im.ntu.edu.tw [127.0.0.1]) by FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA15762; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:55:53 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:55:53 +0800 (CST) From: Eric To: Michael Hancock cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make reinstall....:PP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry , I don't know why ....:P the same message still exists...:PP On Mon, 11 May 1998, Michael Hancock wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Eric wrote: > > > HIii... Here's my NFS exports below... > > > > FreeBSD [/usr/ports/x11/xpostitPlus] -eric- cat /etc/exports > > /home -alldirs mahler > > /usr/src -alldirs mahler > > > > /usr/obj is a symbolic link to /usr/src/obj > > I think I already answered your question, hint reread my last message on > the bottom. Anyway, here's one workaround: > > chmod -R +r /usr/src/obj > > > Mike > > > We have successfully completed times.(make reinstall , make installworld) > > however , recently , the message goes as following ...:PP > > > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Michael Hancock wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Eric wrote: > > > > > > > Hiii everyone , > > > > I have "make world" successfully on a machine , > > > > and when I share /usr/src , /usr/obj to other machines > > > > through NFS . > > > > A make reinstall stops at > > > > ===> games/phantasia > > > > install -c -o bin -g games -m 660 characs > > > > gold lastdead mess monsters motd scoa install: characs: Permission denied > > > > *** Error code 71 > > > > > > > > Stop. *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > Can anyone please tell me what's matter ??:) > > > > > > Not without a lot more info. > > > > > > If you are doing a make install as root, can user nobody read the files on > > > your NFS servers? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 06:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10113 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (mothra.kralizec.net.au [203.15.68.22] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10106 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA21821 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:38:06 +1000 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:38:06 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805111338.XAA21821@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Broken pipe errors Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been getting a lot of errors like "gzip: stdout: Broken pipe" from `tar zx...' and "gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe" from makewhatis lately. These seem to be correct (tar really does stop reading from stdin before gzip is finished), but I'd like to know why they just started becoming common. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 06:49:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11809 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11802 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA09291; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... In-Reply-To: <199805110020.SAA14806@panzer.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 10 May 1998, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > The Hermit Hacker wrote... > > > > Is there any way of rebooting using the serial console when a SCSI bus > > hang happens? On a Sparc system, the serial console is hardware driven, > > not software, so you can break down to the prom and reboot that way... > > > > With the SCSI bus hang in mind...what is the ETA on getting the CAM > > drivers finally integrated? :) > > Well, our goal is to get hardware support all the way done, or > almost all the way done before CAM goes into -current. If we do that, we'll > avoid un-supporting people that were able to use FreeBSD before. There may > be a couple of crufty old cards (Seagate ST01?) whose drivers won't get > ported to CAM, but most everything else should. > > As for a real ETA, that's difficult to say. The good news is that > Justin's documentation is coming along nicely, so the folks that have been > waiting on documentation to continue with writing hardware drivers won't > have to wait much longer. Is there any way of getting more periodic snapshots? The only support i need is the ahc support, which is there now, but when I tried to install the last snapshot, the patches failed misearbly :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 06:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11959 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11943; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA05162; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:50:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id IAA22328; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:50:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980511085002.24155@mcs.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:50:02 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Scott Michel , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest kernel instability References: <199805110647.XAA00280@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> <199805110659.BAA02117@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199805110659.BAA02117@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 01:59:15AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 01:59:15AM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Scott Michel said: > > FWIW John, your latest updates cause wild sig 11's and sig 8's in > > a kernel cvsup'd from ~9pm Pacific. Had to back out to the previous. > > > > And yes, this was after a 'bake world'. procfs and mfs as LKMs cause > > mount to sig 11 immediately. Eventually everything else starts to > > sig 11. > > > When telling me things like this *please* let me know the kind of > machine that you are working with, and also maybe a kernel config > file and dmesg output. I have been running practically this same > thing on both P5, AMD and P6 machines, at work and at home for the > last week. > > The more info the better. Uh, if LKMs cause things to sig11 right away, are you sure that the LKM's got rebuilt? -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 07:05:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13848 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13842 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:05:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07426; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805111403.HAA07426@implode.root.com> To: Stephen Roome cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 10:08:55 BST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:03:16 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> The second machine has a noise generator on the bus. You need to locate >> it. It may be a sound card without a driver byt with an open source. > >Ah, that would be this : >lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa >lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Actually, that's probably not it. Due to the design of the interrupt system on PC machines, stray irq 7's can occur when any irq is asserted and then removed before it is properly ACKed. This is probably not the source of your problem, however. I've heard of similar problems with SMP and the Intel Pro/100B on some machines, but I don't know what is causing it. It probably has something to do with the APIC programming or code. >> I also notice that the interrupt is a shared PCI interrupt in both cases. >> >> You should try to do something about this for performance reasons as well, >> but this *may* be where the problem is lurking. At the very least, it's >> a suspicious "coincidence". > >How do I do something about this? (I Hope that's not too stupid a >question!) You move the card Intel card to a different PCI slot until you find one that gives a good sharing combination. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 08:07:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22493 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22487 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parag@mail.codegen.com) Received: from [192.168.100.101] (ppp-asok08--194.sirius.net [205.134.245.194]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id IAA17431; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805111506.IAA17431@mail2.sirius.com> Subject: Re: Make reinstall....:PP Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:08:06 -0700 x-sender: parag@mail.codegen.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm From: Parag Patel To: "Eric" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 5/10/98 8:46 PM, Eric (eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) said: >===> games/phantasia >install -c -o bin -g games -m 660 characs >gold lastdead mess monsters motd scoa install: characs: Permission denied >*** Error code 71 > >Stop. *** Error code 1 > >Stop. *** Error code 1 > >Stop. *** Error code 1 > >Stop. > > Can anyone please tell me what's matter ??:) I ran into this too. The workaround is to export the NFS /usr/obj volume with -maproot=0:0, or chmod o+w the data files under the usr/games/phantasia build under /usr/obj. The phantasia game wants to install some data files under /var/games/phantasia. It's created the files mode-owner-group 660-root-bin under the obj tree and wants to install them as 660-bin-games. "install" cannot read the source file as nobody-nobody. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 08:42:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26157 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aurora.sol.net (jgreco@aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26099; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) id KAA27052; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:41:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199805111541.KAA27052@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Time issues in 3.0-C on P55T2P4D To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:41:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've got a 3.0-980331-SNAP box (SMP, dual P200, ASUS P/E P55T2P4D) that I noticed some clock problems with. After talking to PHK, he showed me that there was an interrupt problem (as reported by systat -vm): 15 cow Interrupts Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 9 zfod 272 total 1 59 13 74 150 91 1213 271 102 162 36496 wire 50 clk0 irq2 49788 act 64 rtc0 irq8 14.7%Sys 2.2%Intr 5.1%User 0.0%Nice 78.1%Idl 52696 inact 16 pci irq12 | | | | | | | | | | 369740 cache 142 pci irq11 =======+>>> 1292 free pci irq10 daefr sc0 irq1 Note "clk0" and "rtc0". This causes my clocks to never sync up with NTP, presumably because the clock is running really slow. It just sits there and does a step adjust every few minutes. If anyone is interested in more details, please contact me, and I will be happy to provide whatever is needed. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 09:20:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01521 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01489; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:20:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19515; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:18:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805111618.SAA19515@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Time issues in 3.0-C on P55T2P4D In-Reply-To: <199805111541.KAA27052@aurora.sol.net> from Joe Greco at "May 11, 98 10:41:58 am" To: jgreco@solaria.sol.net (Joe Greco) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:18:31 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Joe Greco who wrote: This has been so for a long time, but apparently it doesn't affect the system, if you do a vmstat -i you will get the right counts... I havn't investigated further on this, but all intr counts seems to be halfed in systat under SMP... I see no problem with ntp here... > I've got a 3.0-980331-SNAP box (SMP, dual P200, ASUS P/E P55T2P4D) that I > noticed some clock problems with. After talking to PHK, he showed me that > there was an interrupt problem (as reported by systat -vm): > > 15 cow Interrupts > Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 9 zfod 272 total > 1 59 13 74 150 91 1213 271 102 162 36496 wire 50 clk0 irq2 > 49788 act 64 rtc0 irq8 > 14.7%Sys 2.2%Intr 5.1%User 0.0%Nice 78.1%Idl 52696 inact 16 pci irq12 > | | | | | | | | | | 369740 cache 142 pci irq11 > =======+>>> 1292 free pci irq10 > daefr sc0 irq1 > > Note "clk0" and "rtc0". > > This causes my clocks to never sync up with NTP, presumably because the > clock is running really slow. It just sits there and does a step adjust > every few minutes. > > If anyone is interested in more details, please contact me, and I will be > happy to provide whatever is needed. > > ... Joe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net > Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 09:26:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02256 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aurora.sol.net (jgreco@aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02216; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) id LAA27122; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:26:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199805111626.LAA27122@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: Time issues in 3.0-C on P55T2P4D In-Reply-To: <199805111618.SAA19515@sos.freebsd.dk> from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= at "May 11, 98 06:18:31 pm" To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:26:07 -0500 (CDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In reply to Joe Greco who wrote: > > This has been so for a long time, but apparently it doesn't affect > the system, if you do a vmstat -i you will get the right counts... > > I havn't investigated further on this, but all intr counts seems to > be halfed in systat under SMP... > > I see no problem with ntp here... Okay, I see that... > vmstat -i interrupt total rate clk0 irq2 343036441 99 rtc0 irq8 437761187 127 pci irq12 236113777 68 pci irq11 1220665135 355 pci irq10 702352 0 sc0 irq1 3240 0 Total -2056685164 -599 However, I still get frequent "time resets" under xntpd. May 11 06:59:25 mnemom xntpd[27493]: time reset (step) 0.330688 s May 11 07:40:43 mnemom xntpd[27493]: time reset (step) 0.263977 s May 11 07:45:17 mnemom xntpd[27493]: time reset (step) 0.260552 s May 11 08:45:27 mnemom xntpd[27493]: time reset (step) 0.199847 s Ideas? What should I be checking? I've killed the drift file, the box is connected via 100mbps to a Stratum 2 server, with two off-site S2 servers specified as well. The problem seems to get worse sometimes, and then sometimes not as bad. It's not a real big deal to me, but it'd be nice if it worked. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 11:00:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18861 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18755 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16529; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:59:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd016397; Mon May 11 10:59:30 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04620; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:59:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805111759.KAA04620@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Soft Updates To: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:59:21 +0000 (GMT) Cc: julian@whistle.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@FreeBSD.ORG, mckusick@mckusick.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex" at May 10, 98 05:10:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think Terry had either a solution for this, and/or a good reason why > this isn't a mount option. And as always an opinion. The reason it isn't a mount option is because of an opinion; I simply have a contradictory opinion in this case. In my *opinion*, having an "async" mount *option* but a "soft updates" *tunable* violates the principle of least astonishment. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 11:00:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18883 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18809 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16699; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd016631; Mon May 11 11:00:05 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03878; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:40:53 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805111740.KAA03878@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI To: steve@visint.co.uk (Stephen Roome) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:40:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Stephen Roome" at May 11, 98 10:08:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The second machine has a noise generator on the bus. You need to locate > > it. It may be a sound card without a driver byt with an open source. > > Ah, that would be this : > lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > > I'll turn it off from the BIOS next time I get a chance, although it's > been configured on the second machine all the time it was running SMP. This will not help. The problem is not the LPT port. Part of the original ISA design was to send any undesignated interrupts to IRQ 7. IRQ 7 is the "garbage" interrupt. Most likely, the board causing the problem is *NOT* on IRQ 7, and *NOT* on any of the IRQ's that have been claimed by any of the drivers. Specifically, look for hardware that FreeBSD doesn't have a driver for. I've often thought that all interrupts should be given a "stray IRQ" driver by default, to aid in identifying these problems. None of my hardware has this type of problem (I'm *very*, *very* picky), so I'm unable to test an implementation of this. The most likely culprit is a sound card with an open collector input and no microphone attached, or a microphone attached and turned on. The next most likely culprit is a video card that sends INT 2 on vertical retrace. In general, PCI interrupts are allocated by PCI, so it's probably an ISA device, whatever it is. > > I also notice that the interrupt is a shared PCI interrupt in both cases. > > > > You should try to do something about this for performance reasons as well, > > but this *may* be where the problem is lurking. At the very least, it's > > a suspicious "coincidence". > > How do I do something about this? (I Hope that's not too stupid a > question!) I don't know; I don't know because I don't know what slots you have the cards in, and what the motherboard wiring looks like, or how many slots it purports to understand. I find it unlikely that they are both on INT a. This may be a bug in the probe routines, or in your motherboard BIOS. It could also account for the start IRQ (say one was on 'INT b', but it wasn't seen). If your ethernet throughput is in the toilet, but still seems to sort of work, or doesn't work at all, this is the problem. Generally, PCI traces are cascaded: S L O T 1 2 3 4 5 ,-. ,-. ,-. ,-. ,-. a--| |-----. ,---| |-----. ,---| |-----. ,---| |------------| | I | | '-/--. | | '-/--. | | '-/--. | | | | b--| |---. / `-| |---. / `-| |---. / `-| |------------| | N | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | | | c--| |-. / `----| |-. / `----| |-. / `----| |------------| | T | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | | | d--| |--' `------| |--' `------| |--' `------| |------------| | `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' Which is to say, if a card needs only a single interrupt, all PCI cards will get their own interrupts, except slot 5 (if it exists), which will share interrupts with slot 4 (and if it needs two, will also share with slot 1, which is why you avoid putting cards that need multiple interrupts in slot 4 or slot 5) It's unlikely that an SMP motherboard does not cascade the traces. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 11:24:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24216 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24205 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:24:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yYxEU-0004S8-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:23:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Eric cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make reinstall....:PP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, Eric wrote: > Hiii everyone , > I have "make world" successfully on a machine , > and when I share /usr/src , /usr/obj to other machines > through NFS . > A make reinstall stops at You probably want to do a "make installworld" instead. You probably need a "-maproot=root" line in the exports file. /usr/obj needs to be exported rw, and /usr/src ro (the last I checked, but makefiles are changing so quickly). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 12:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05433 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05420 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: from natasya.kublai.com (natasya.kublai.com [207.172.25.236]) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00431; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:31:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29425; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980511153105.14757@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:31:05 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: The Hermit Hacker , "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <199805110020.SAA14806@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from The Hermit Hacker on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 09:49:47AM -0400 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 09:49:47AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Is there any way of getting more periodic snapshots? The only > support i need is the ahc support, which is there now, but when I tried to > install the last snapshot, the patches failed misearbly :( I'm using it with -current from to-day (and have been doing so for a few weeks). I can generate patches for you if you like. Note that CAM doesn't go with DEVFS/SLICE at the moment. -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 12:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09330 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:54:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA09325 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA20616; Mon, 11 May 98 21:58:11 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 May 98 21:58:11 +0200 Message-Id: <9805111958.AA20616@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: current kernel + X11 = no way X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is with a kernel compiled with sources from yesterday (cvs-cur 4279 199805102308). The X server does not start and just says: xf86OpenConsole: VT_ACTIVATE failed I run xdm, started from /etc/ttys. Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 13:34:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15655 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15650 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00769; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:34:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805112034.PAA00769@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way In-Reply-To: <9805111958.AA20616@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> from Jean-Marc Zucconi at "May 11, 98 09:58:11 pm" To: jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr (Jean-Marc Zucconi) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:34:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jean-Marc Zucconi said: > This is with a kernel compiled with sources from yesterday (cvs-cur > 4279 199805102308). The X server does not start and just says: > xf86OpenConsole: VT_ACTIVATE failed > I run xdm, started from /etc/ttys. > How does the system work without X? I have made some changes, and just want to make sure I haven't broken things worse. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 13:57:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18441 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p4.tfs.net [139.146.210.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18432 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA04357; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:56:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199805112056.PAA04357@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805100012.CAA16465@daneel.stuyts.nl> from Ben Stuyts at "May 10, 98 02:12:14 am" To: ben@stuyts.nl Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:56:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Mar 8 12:29:10 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > Hello, > > On my -current system, cvsupped around the 8th of May, I get the following > error when running trafshow: > > /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol "___error" called from > trafshow:/usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2.1 at 0x2003312c > > Did I cvsup in the middle of some update, or is there something wrong with > libtermcap or errno? i assume so... i get the same thing with less.. has this problem been fixed? is -current stable as of last night [i'll do another buildworld/installworld]? jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 14:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19355 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mylanders.com (mylanders.com [206.252.160.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19336 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nat@mylanders.com) Received: from localhost (nat@localhost) by mylanders.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08981 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:15:53 -0500 (CDT) From: John Frader To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: buildworld and make clean errors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have a dual pentium 100 machine running freebsd-current from November1997.. On May8th I cvsuped new source and when I did a make world I got this error: In file included from /usr/src/usr.bin/rpcgen/rpc_util.c:44: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/err.h:54: parse error before `__' *** Error code 1 It didn't keep going, it stopped. Then I cvsuped today again to see if any changes had been made to err.h and did a make clean in /usr/src but that errored out also with this: rm -f a.out Errs errs mklog grep dfa.o grep.o getopt.o kwset.o obstack.o search.o grep.1.gz grep.1.cat.gz ===> gnu/usr.bin/gzip "Makefile", line 11: Malformed conditional (${MACHINE_ARCH} == "i386") "Makefile", line 11: Need an operator "Makefile", line 14: if-less endif "Makefile", line 14: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Any help would be appreciated... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 14:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27232 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27211 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA11347; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:49:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805112149.HAA11347@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: buildworld and make clean errors In-Reply-To: from John Frader at "May 11, 98 04:15:53 pm" To: nat@mylanders.com (John Frader) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:49:16 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Frader wrote: > rm -f a.out Errs errs mklog grep dfa.o grep.o getopt.o kwset.o obstack.o > search.o grep.1.gz grep.1.cat.gz > ===> gnu/usr.bin/gzip > "Makefile", line 11: Malformed conditional (${MACHINE_ARCH} == "i386") > "Makefile", line 11: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 14: if-less endif > "Makefile", line 14: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue This looks like you need to do a make world to get /usr/share/mk updated. You can try just installing from there (sys.mk contains the MACHINE_ARCH default for the i386 make which doesn't have it compiled in) and then retrying the command that failed. The changes to the tree since Nov 97 are sufficiently major to required a 'make world' not a subset, IMO. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 15:15:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02035 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02004; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21226; Tue, 12 May 98 00:18:18 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 May 98 00:18:18 +0200 Message-Id: <9805112218.AA21226@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805112034.PAA00769@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> John S Dyson writes: > Jean-Marc Zucconi said: >> This is with a kernel compiled with sources from yesterday (cvs-cur >> 4279 199805102308). The X server does not start and just says: >> xf86OpenConsole: VT_ACTIVATE failed >> I run xdm, started from /etc/ttys. >> > How does the system work without X? I have made some changes, and > just want to make sure I haven't broken things worse. It seems to be ok, but I did not test it very much - I rebooted with an older kernel. I will test it on another machine. Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 16:14:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14497 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-9.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14484 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA09712; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:14:09 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:14:09 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Brian Cully cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... In-Reply-To: <19980511153105.14757@kublai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 09:49:47AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Is there any way of getting more periodic snapshots? The only > > support i need is the ahc support, which is there now, but when I tried to > > install the last snapshot, the patches failed misearbly :( > > I'm using it with -current from to-day (and have been doing so for > a few weeks). I can generate patches for you if you like. > > Note that CAM doesn't go with DEVFS/SLICE at the moment. I would love to see this...I'm not using DEVFS...what do you mean by SLICE though? Just that I'll have to change, in fstab, /dev/sd0s1a to /dev/sd0a? If so, that isn't a problem, since its a dedicated FreeBSD machine with no "slices"... I'm on freebsd-scsi, and its kinda dead...is there a place that this is better to discuss it on, as well as see patches going through? Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 16:40:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18112 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (root@flamingo.mckusick.com [205.217.47.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18070 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckusick@flamingo.McKusick.COM) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (mckusick@[127.0.0.1]) by flamingo.McKusick.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28767; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805112206.PAA28767@flamingo.McKusick.COM> To: Ollivier Robert Subject: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option cc: julian@whistle.com, luoqi@watermarkgroup.com (Luoqi Chen), current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 09 May 1998 23:36:02 EDT." <9805100336.AA06453@watermarkgroup.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:06:41 -0700 From: Kirk McKusick Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Soft Updates are set in the superblock with tunefs for several reasons: 1) This is an interim measure during the testing phase of soft updates. In the long run, they will always be used as the normal course of events. I do not want legacy mount options lying around. 2) The soft update code is not prepared to be turned on when the filesystem is active. It currently has no code to find all files actively being written and building up the necessary dependency information for them. Writing such code is non-trivial and not a worthwhile exercise in my opinion, especially given goal #1. 3) Fsck uses different algorithms for cleaning up on filesystems run with soft updates. It is much more reliable to have it check for the bit in the superblock than it is to try and figure out whether the flag was set when it was mounted. Also, the algorithms can only be used if the filesystem was continuously run with soft updates throughout the time that it was mounted. If it could be updated, that would somehow have to be recorded. Kirk McKusick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 17:11:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21890 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21861 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@coleridge.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01670; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:11:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit) Message-ID: <19980511201126.41893@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:11:26 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <19980511153105.14757@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from The Hermit Hacker on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 08:14:09PM -0300 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 08:14:09PM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > I would love to see this...I'm not using DEVFS...what do you mean > by SLICE though? Just that I'll have to change, in fstab, /dev/sd0s1a to > /dev/sd0a? If so, that isn't a problem, since its a dedicated FreeBSD > machine with no "slices"... SLICE is very related to DEVFS, and neither work at the moment. You should contact Julian for more details on that. You should only have to change your fstab by replacing all occurences of `sd' with `da'. > I'm on freebsd-scsi, and its kinda dead...is there a place that > this is better to discuss it on, as well as see patches going through? The patches aren't much of anything, just the last snap fitted to -current and kept up to date with CVS. You should bug the CAM guys if you want to see a new CAM snapshot. I'll send you the patches privately. They are NOT in ANY WAY endorsed by the CAM team. They're just the patches I'm running to make the old CAM snapshot work with -current. It may not even work in bizarre situations, but they work for me and haven't noticed any problems, so I expect them to be okay. But once again, these are NOT OFFICIAL PATCHES. (Hope I've cleared myself and the CAM team. :)) -bjc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 17:31:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25044 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:31:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-33.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25037 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA09958; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:30:59 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:30:59 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Brian Cully cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... In-Reply-To: <19980511201126.41893@kublai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > SLICE is very related to DEVFS, and neither work at the moment. You > should contact Julian for more details on that. Julian sent me email, I looked at slice.4 and am glad I'm not into fs internals :) > The patches aren't much of anything, just the last snap fitted to -current > and kept up to date with CVS. You should bug the CAM guys if you want to > see a new CAM snapshot. Consider that the goal is to replace the current SCSI subsystem with this...why is discussion on it so dead? > But once again, these are NOT OFFICIAL PATCHES. (Hope I've cleared myself > and the CAM team. :)) I consider you cleared :) Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 17:37:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26448 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26407 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA13493; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:36:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id TAA06245; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:36:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980511193645.56745@mcs.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:36:45 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Kirk McKusick Cc: Ollivier Robert , julian@whistle.com, Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option References: <9805100336.AA06453@watermarkgroup.com> <199805112206.PAA28767@flamingo.McKusick.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199805112206.PAA28767@flamingo.McKusick.COM>; from Kirk McKusick on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 03:06:41PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 03:06:41PM -0700, Kirk McKusick wrote: > Soft Updates are set in the superblock with tunefs for several reasons: > > 1) This is an interim measure during the testing phase of soft updates. > In the long run, they will always be used as the normal course of > events. I do not want legacy mount options lying around. Uh, how do you do that with the current licensing system? (ie: not everyone can play) > 2) The soft update code is not prepared to be turned on when the filesystem > is active. It currently has no code to find all files actively being > written and building up the necessary dependency information for them. > Writing such code is non-trivial and not a worthwhile exercise in my > opinion, especially given goal #1. > > 3) Fsck uses different algorithms for cleaning up on filesystems run with > soft updates. It is much more reliable to have it check for the bit in > the superblock than it is to try and figure out whether the flag was > set when it was mounted. Also, the algorithms can only be used if the > filesystem was continuously run with soft updates throughout the time > that it was mounted. If it could be updated, that would somehow have > to be recorded. > > Kirk McKusick These points certainly appear to be legit, however. But (1) concerns me. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 17:38:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hawks.caro.net (hawks.caro.NET [209.12.201.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26830 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@hawks.caro.net) Received: from hawks.caro.net (localhost.caro.net [127.0.0.1]) by hawks.caro.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00736 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:38:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@hawks.caro.net) Message-Id: <199805120038.UAA00736@hawks.caro.net> From: awhawks@usa.net To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: SCSI problems? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:38:06 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have the old 2940 adapter and it has the timeout problem so I don't think its related to the revision level. I also have turned off all the ahc_ options in -current and I still get the timeouts. Mine are not as infrequent as others on the lists. I get them every hour it seems. The problem didn't seem to be in the 3.0-current code as of aug 3 1997, which is what I was running until about a month ago when the timeouts started. So I would guess it was introduced from aug 3 1997 to now in the -current branch. Here is the output of my dmesg relating to the 2940 card: ahc1: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.11.0 ahc1: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus1 at ahc1 bus 0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 17:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27587 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (root@flamingo.mckusick.com [205.217.47.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27566 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:40:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckusick@flamingo.McKusick.COM) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (mckusick@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flamingo.McKusick.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28973; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805112306.QAA28973@flamingo.McKusick.COM> To: Karl Denninger Subject: Re: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option cc: Ollivier Robert , julian@whistle.com, Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 19:36:45 CDT." <19980511193645.56745@mcs.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:06:44 -0700 From: Kirk McKusick Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:36:45 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Kirk McKusick Cc: Ollivier Robert , julian@whistle.com, Luoqi Chen , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option In-Reply-To: <199805112206.PAA28767@flamingo.McKusick.COM>; from Kirk McKusick on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 03:06:41PM -0700 On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 03:06:41PM -0700, Kirk McKusick wrote: > Soft Updates are set in the superblock with tunefs for several reasons: > > 1) This is an interim measure during the testing phase of soft updates. > In the long run, they will always be used as the normal course of > events. I do not want legacy mount options lying around. Uh, how do you do that with the current licensing system? (ie: not everyone can play) ... I eventually plan to make the code freely redistributable. The current licensing scheme is in place to give me time to sell the code to one or more of the big Unix vendors. ~Kirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 17:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27700 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.vera.net (enya.vera.net [200.33.116.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27679 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@vera.net) Received: from mail.vera.net (ver2-122.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.122]) by mail.vera.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01803 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:40:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from root@vera.net) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:40:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Charlie Root Message-Id: <199805120040.TAA01803@mail.vera.net> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG estamos probando. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 17:57:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29453 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29446 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA14814; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id TAA06475; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980511195711.30170@mcs.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:57:11 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Kirk McKusick Cc: Ollivier Robert , julian@whistle.com, Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option References: <19980511193645.56745@mcs.net> <199805112306.QAA28973@flamingo.McKusick.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199805112306.QAA28973@flamingo.McKusick.COM>; from Kirk McKusick on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 04:06:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 04:06:44PM -0700, Kirk McKusick wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:36:45 -0500 > From: Karl Denninger > To: Kirk McKusick > Cc: Ollivier Robert , julian@whistle.com, > Luoqi Chen , current@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option > In-Reply-To: <199805112206.PAA28767@flamingo.McKusick.COM>; > from Kirk McKusick on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 03:06:41PM -0700 > > On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 03:06:41PM -0700, Kirk McKusick wrote: > > Soft Updates are set in the superblock with tunefs for several reasons: > > > > 1) This is an interim measure during the testing phase of soft updates. > > In the long run, they will always be used as the normal course of > > events. I do not want legacy mount options lying around. > > Uh, how do you do that with the current licensing system? (ie: not everyone > can play) > > ... > > I eventually plan to make the code freely redistributable. The current > licensing scheme is in place to give me time to sell the code to one or > more of the big Unix vendors. > > ~Kirk Ah, ok. Now if it were only stable enough to attempt to use in some of the places that it would REALLY help things (like our INN news machine). -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 21:47:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00406 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (root@lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00396 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00251 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA02335; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:47:21 -0400 From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199805120447.AA02335@mozart> Subject: sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) broken ?? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:47:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm running 3.0 current on my machine: FreeBSD FreeBSD.pc.sas.com 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #1: Mon May 11 23:04:43 EDT 1998 root@FreeBSD.pc.sas.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/FreeBSD i386 The following program gives a rather bogus result which causes cdrecord to fail rather miserably: main() { int rc; rc = sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE); printf("_SC_PAGESIZE == %d\n",rc); return(0); } $ make sysconftst cc -O -pipe sysconf.c -o sysconf $ ./sysconftst _SC_PAGESIZE == -1 $ I'm wondering whether or not this is due to my adding the Posix scheduling options to the kernel for cdrecord (ie: enable the sched_get_priority_max(SCHED_RR) code). # # Enable Posix priority scheduling # options "P1003_1B" options "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING" options "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L" Well, now I guess I'll start building a kernel without all three options and see what happens. Comments? Critiques? They're all welcome! Thanks, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 21:56:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01819 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01810 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id WAA21308; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:56:00 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199805120456.WAA21308@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: serial console w/ SCSI hangs... In-Reply-To: <19980511201126.41893@kublai.com> from Brian Cully at "May 11, 98 08:11:26 pm" To: shmit@kublai.com Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, ken@plutotech.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Cully wrote... > On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 08:14:09PM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > I would love to see this...I'm not using DEVFS...what do you mean > > by SLICE though? Just that I'll have to change, in fstab, /dev/sd0s1a to > > /dev/sd0a? If so, that isn't a problem, since its a dedicated FreeBSD > > machine with no "slices"... > > SLICE is very related to DEVFS, and neither work at the moment. You should > contact Julian for more details on that. FWIW, Julian has been working on getting SLICE/DEVFS support into CAM. > You should only have to change your fstab by replacing all occurences of > `sd' with `da'. Actually, you don't have to do that. Some of my machines do, and some don't. My primary box at work still has /dev/*sd* in /etc/fstab. It doesn't really matter, but I guess it would help to keep the sd names if you switch back and forth between regular -current and CAM kernels. > > I'm on freebsd-scsi, and its kinda dead...is there a place that > > this is better to discuss it on, as well as see patches going through? > > The patches aren't much of anything, just the last snap fitted to -current > and kept up to date with CVS. You should bug the CAM guys if you want to > see a new CAM snapshot. > > I'll send you the patches privately. They are NOT in ANY WAY endorsed by > the CAM team. They're just the patches I'm running to make the old CAM > snapshot work with -current. It may not even work in bizarre situations, > but they work for me and haven't noticed any problems, so I expect them > to be okay. > > But once again, these are NOT OFFICIAL PATCHES. (Hope I've cleared myself > and the CAM team. :)) You're clear. :) We should probably put out patches more often, but a number of things get in the way sometimes. Here's a short list.. - the urge to wait until we get "just one more feature" in before the snapshot... - lack of (Justin's) time - occasional -current instability Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 23:01:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09029 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09022 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yZ885-0005zL-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:01:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: awhawks@usa.net cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: SCSI problems? In-Reply-To: <199805120038.UAA00736@hawks.caro.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998 awhawks@usa.net wrote: > I have the old 2940 adapter and it has the timeout problem so I don't think > its related to the revision level. I also have turned off all the ahc_ options It is more related to the devices on the bus. > in -current and I still get the timeouts. Mine are not as infrequent as others > on the lists. I get them every hour it seems. > > The problem didn't seem to be in the 3.0-current code as of aug 3 1997, which > is what I was running until about a month ago when the timeouts started. So > I would guess it was introduced from aug 3 1997 to now in the -current branch. Unlikely. The code is not being developed further. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 11 23:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15986 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (freebsd.im.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.106.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14963 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:49:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from localhost (eric@localhost.im.ntu.edu.tw [127.0.0.1]) by FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24241; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:24:07 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:24:06 +0800 (CST) From: Eric To: Parag Patel cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make reinstall....:PP In-Reply-To: <199805111506.IAA17431@mail2.sirius.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanx!!!:) it's all OK now ... On Mon, 11 May 1998, Parag Patel wrote: > On 5/10/98 8:46 PM, Eric (eric@FreeBSD.im.ntu.edu.tw) said: > > >===> games/phantasia > >install -c -o bin -g games -m 660 characs > >gold lastdead mess monsters motd scoa install: characs: Permission denied > >*** Error code 71 > > > >Stop. *** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. *** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. *** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > > > > Can anyone please tell me what's matter ??:) > > I ran into this too. The workaround is to export the NFS /usr/obj volume > with -maproot=0:0, or chmod o+w the data files under the > usr/games/phantasia build under /usr/obj. > > The phantasia game wants to install some data files under > /var/games/phantasia. It's created the files mode-owner-group > 660-root-bin under the obj tree and wants to install them as > 660-bin-games. "install" cannot read the source file as nobody-nobody. > > > -- Parag Patel > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 03:57:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12174 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12167 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by mail.visint.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03459; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:57:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:56:49 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome Reply-To: Stephen Roome To: Terry Lambert cc: David Greenman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-Reply-To: <199805111740.KAA03878@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, David Greenman wrote: > Due to the design of the interrupt system on PC machines, stray irq 7's > can occur when any irq is asserted and then removed before it is > properly ACKed. I was under the (wrong?) impression that that would only be IRQ's less than 7 ? Anyway, I did have an ISA NE2000 card in the machine, which I removed, but that didn't solve the problem and was on IRQ 10 anyway. I've now turned on the COM/LPT ports from the BIOS, as the BIOS doesn't turn them off (does it just ignore them ? would be nice if the BIOS would disable the COM ports if you turn them off from the BIOS!) That seems to have cleared up the stray IRQ problem. (I can't beleive it was just that simple.) On Mon, 11 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: % I find it unlikely that they are both on INT a. This may be a bug in % the probe routines, or in your motherboard BIOS. It could also account % for the start IRQ (say one was on 'INT b', but it wasn't seen). I think this is possibly probe related, although I can't be sure, but I've just checked another six machines none of which use are probed as using anything but int A. Which is really unlikely! Especially machines like this: chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 I/O Recovery Timing: 8-bit 3 clocks, 16-bit 2 clocks Extended BIOS: enabled Lower BIOS: enabled Coprocessor IRQ13: enabled Mouse IRQ12: disabled Interrupt Routing: A: disabled, B: IRQ11, C: IRQ10, D: IRQ9 ^^^^^^^^^ MB0: IRQ15, MB1: chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 mapreg[20] type=1 addr=0000f000 size=0010. Primary IDE: enabled Secondary IDE: enabled de0 rev 32 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ That looks wrong to me, shouldn't that de0 be on int b ? (I've got more machines that tell me this as well.) I moved everything around as you suggest, but everything always comes up as int A in the card probe, if what you say is true then it looks like it's got to be the probe code, in more than one version. Many thanks for the help, and apologies for combining replies, saves me spamming the lists though. Steve Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 04:43:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18287 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18280 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benst@nemesis.stuyts.nl) Received: from stuyts by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <24330-22746>; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:43:14 +0200 Received: from nemesis.stuyts.nl (uucp@localhost) by terminus.stuyts.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA13120; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:39:25 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from benst@nemesis.stuyts.nl) Received: from giskard.stuyts.nl (giskard.stuyts.nl [193.78.231.1]) by nemesis.stuyts.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19410; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from benst) Received: (from benst@localhost) by giskard.stuyts.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08710; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:38:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805121138.NAA08710@giskard.stuyts.nl> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199805112056.PAA04357@unix.tfs.net> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ben Stuyts Date: Tue, 12 May 98 13:38:51 +0200 To: jbryant@unix.tfs.net Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: ben@stuyts.nl References: <199805112056.PAA04357@unix.tfs.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jim, > > On my -current system, cvsupped around the 8th of May, I get the following > > error when running trafshow: > > > > /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol "___error" called from > > trafshow:/usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2.1 at 0x2003312c > > > > Did I cvsup in the middle of some update, or is there something wrong with > > libtermcap or errno? > > i assume so... i get the same thing with less.. > > has this problem been fixed? The only solution is to recompile less. From what I understand there has been an incompatible change in libc, and no version no increase of the shared lib. After I recompiled trafshow, it ran fine. Best regards, Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 05:15:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22124 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22115 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23850; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805121212.FAA23850@implode.root.com> To: Stephen Roome cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 11:56:49 BST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 05:12:58 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Mon, 11 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: >% I find it unlikely that they are both on INT a. This may be a bug in >% the probe routines, or in your motherboard BIOS. It could also account >% for the start IRQ (say one was on 'INT b', but it wasn't seen). > >I think this is possibly probe related, although I can't be sure, but I've >just checked another six machines none of which use are probed as using >anything but int A. Terry just doesn't understand how interrupts work on the PCI bus, despite providing a nice picture. :-) All of the PCI cards with a single interrupt will use INT A - that's just how it works and is the reason for the interrupts being cascaded the way they are on the bus. INT A on one slot is not the same interrupt on another. >Which is really unlikely! Especially machines like this: > >chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 > I/O Recovery Timing: 8-bit 3 clocks, 16-bit 2 clocks > Extended BIOS: enabled > Lower BIOS: enabled > Coprocessor IRQ13: enabled > Mouse IRQ12: disabled > Interrupt Routing: A: disabled, B: IRQ11, C: IRQ10, D: IRQ9 > ^^^^^^^^^ > MB0: IRQ15, MB1: >chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 > mapreg[20] type=1 addr=0000f000 size=0010. > Primary IDE: enabled > Secondary IDE: enabled >de0 rev 32 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >That looks wrong to me, shouldn't that de0 be on int b ? >(I've got more machines that tell me this as well.) No. INT A on one slot is another's INT B. >I moved everything around as you suggest, but everything always comes up >as int A in the card probe, if what you say is true then it looks like >it's got to be the probe code, in more than one version. That's not your goal. You want them to each use a different _irq_ not a different INT letter. ...but none of this matters because it's not what is causing your problem. :-) -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 07:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06524 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06517 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17604; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: Karl Denninger cc: Kirk McKusick , Ollivier Robert , julian@whistle.com, Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option In-Reply-To: <19980511195711.30170@mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, Karl Denninger wrote: > Ah, ok. Seems a good bit better than 'ok' to me. ;-) > Now if it were only stable enough to attempt to use in some of the places > that it would REALLY help things (like our INN news machine). That's a problem with the port to FreeBSD, not Kirk's code, no? Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 07:18:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08368 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cc.nsysu.edu.tw (qmailr@cc.nsysu.edu.tw [140.117.11.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08046 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wing@cc.nsysu.edu.tw) Received: (qmail 28508 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 1998 14:16:27 -0000 Received: from wing.cc.nsysu.edu.tw (HELO wing) (winggy@140.117.12.77) by cc.nsysu.edu.tw with SMTP; 12 May 1998 14:16:27 -0000 Message-ID: <001901bd7db0$c4c4f480$4d0c758c@wing.cc.nsysu.edu.tw> From: "Tony Lynn" To: Subject: 3.0-980507-SNAP with perl5.04004 package Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:18:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all: I just installed 3.0-989597 SNAP , and installed perl5.04004 (from packages-3.0) when I exec /usr/local/bin/perl5 -v , the messages says: ld.so: can't find shared library libnet.so.0.92 I've tried to make a perl by myself , but the problem is still there. I tried to look up the lib file from other machines , but there is no such file. How can I solve this problem ? best regards, Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 07:24:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10093 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10080 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25099; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805121422.HAA25099@implode.root.com> To: Stephen Roome cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 05:12:58 PDT." <199805121212.FAA23850@implode.root.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:22:49 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >being cascaded the way they are on the bus. INT A on one slot is not the same >interrupt on another. ...I should have said "INT A on one slot is probably not the same interrupt on another". Interrupt sharing will occur when there are too few interrupts to assign a unique irq or when the BIOS is being stupid. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 07:34:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11551 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11546 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA09602; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id JAA12926; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980512093352.49884@mcs.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:33:52 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: ben@rosengart.com Cc: Kirk McKusick , Ollivier Robert , julian@whistle.com, Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why Soft Updates are not a mount option References: <19980511195711.30170@mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: ; from Snob Art Genre on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 10:06:35AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 10:06:35AM -0400, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Karl Denninger wrote: > > > Ah, ok. > > Seems a good bit better than 'ok' to me. ;-) > > > Now if it were only stable enough to attempt to use in some of the places > > that it would REALLY help things (like our INN news machine). > > That's a problem with the port to FreeBSD, not Kirk's code, no? > > > Ben > > "You have your mind on computers, it seems." > Don't know. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! 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W. Ballantine" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I'm was running NT and 3.0-cur on a pc and when I tried to boot FreeBSD the system hung , first before the disk checks and then after the disk checks with the SCSI disk light locked on. (Did the reboot a few times.) At this point I figured that my FB was hosed and I needed to reload. I tried to re-install and it hung during the adding default route to the gateway. When I re-booted NT, the pci/3-com board wasn't found. I tried to re-install today with the 980426-SNAP and got the same results. Is this a known problem that I'm running into, or something new???? Jim Ballantine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 08:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23450 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p81.tfs.net [139.146.210.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23432 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA03044; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:47:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199805121547.KAA03044@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805121138.NAA08710@giskard.stuyts.nl> from Ben Stuyts at "May 12, 98 01:38:51 pm" To: ben@stuyts.nl Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Mar 8 12:29:10 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > Jim, > > > > On my -current system, cvsupped around the 8th of May, I get the following > > > error when running trafshow: > > > > > > /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol "___error" called from > > > trafshow:/usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2.1 at 0x2003312c > > > > > > Did I cvsup in the middle of some update, or is there something wrong with > > > libtermcap or errno? > > > > i assume so... i get the same thing with less.. > > > > has this problem been fixed? > > The only solution is to recompile less. From what I understand there has > been an incompatible change in libc, and no version no increase of the shared > lib. > > After I recompiled trafshow, it ran fine. this has got to be one of the most damnned inconvenient changes i have ever seen freebsd take... does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be recompiled?!?!?! just because, as i understand it, they didn't want to bump the lib version numbers?!?!?! does anyone realize how much this change breaks????!!!! jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 11:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20137 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20108 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA23206 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id NAA18888; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980512130637.19663@mcs.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:06:37 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hmmmm... this doesn't look good... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -CURRENT, with the following warnings happening since yesterday (and these don't look good): cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h ../../i386/i386/pmap.c ../../i386/i386/pmap.c: In function `invltlb_1pg': ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:707: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c: In function `invltlb_2pg': ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:719: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:720: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c: In function `pmap_new_proc': ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:979: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c: In function `pmap_dispose_proc': ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:1020: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c: In function `pmap_remove_pte': ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:1750: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c: In function `pmap_zero_page': ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:2793: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c: In function `pmap_copy_page': ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:2846: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../i386/i386/pmap.c:2847: warning: passing arg 1 of `invlpg' makes pointer from integer without a cast cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h ../../i386/isa/wd.c .... -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! 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Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 11:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23877 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23863 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27640; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:21:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd027566; Tue May 12 11:21:19 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23722; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:21:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805121821.LAA23722@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:21:13 +0000 (GMT) Cc: steve@visint.co.uk, tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805121212.FAA23850@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at May 12, 98 05:12:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >% I find it unlikely that they are both on INT a. This may be a bug in > >% the probe routines, or in your motherboard BIOS. It could also account > >% for the start IRQ (say one was on 'INT b', but it wasn't seen). > > > >I think this is possibly probe related, although I can't be sure, but I've > >just checked another six machines none of which use are probed as using > >anything but int A. > > Terry just doesn't understand how interrupts work on the PCI bus, despite > providing a nice picture. :-) All of the PCI cards with a single interrupt > will use INT A - that's just how it works and is the reason for the interrupts > being cascaded the way they are on the bus. INT A on one slot is not the same > interrupt on another. ??? Uh, that's what I said. I think it's unlikely that cards in two different slots will have INT a assigned to them, unless the bus lines are *not* cascaded, which I also think is unlikely on a modern motherboard. Why are both cards reported on INT a? > That's not your goal. You want them to each use a different _irq_ not > a different INT letter. ...but none of this matters because it's not what > is causing your problem. :-) Well, you want them to use a different PCI input line, of which there are four on most chipsets not manufactured by DEC or Apple, and which are lettered a through d. Are we asking the card where it thinks it is? If so, how are we getting the INT b's from slot 2 to the interrupt handler? I think it's more useful to report the ID seen by the handler than the ID seen by the card, especially for something like a dual channel Adaptec controller leaching two interrupts (INT a from it's slot, and INT b from the adjacent slot -- wrapping around at the end of the bus). Am I just not understanding that what's being reported isn't what's being set up in the IRQ handler list? If so, this seems wrong... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 11:25:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24950 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24940 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA03211; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199805121828.LAA03211@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805121547.KAA03044@unix.tfs.net> from Jim Bryant at "May 12, 98 10:47:03 am" To: jbryant@unix.tfs.net Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ben@stuyts.nl, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Jim Bryant: >>> has this problem been fixed? >> >> The only solution is to recompile less. From what I understand there has >> been an incompatible change in libc, and no version no increase of the >> shared lib. >> >> After I recompiled trafshow, it ran fine. > > this has got to be one of the most damnned inconvenient changes i > have ever seen freebsd take... > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > recompiled?!?!?! The answer is probably "yes". > just because, as i understand it, they didn't want to bump the lib > version numbers?!?!?! The version number can be bumped once per release, and that bump will probably occur sometime prior to the release of FreeBSD-3.0. > > does anyone realize how much this change breaks????!!!! > Does someone know the meaning of "-current"? If someone isn't prepared to recompile seemingly broken apps, then don't run -current. If 3rd party software is critical, then run an official release of FreeBSD or the -stable branch. See the handbook at http://www.freebsd.org about who should be running -current. -- Steve finger kargl@troutmask.apl.washington.edu http://troutmask.apl.washington.edu/~clesceri/kargl.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 11:26:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25349 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25312 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16384; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:26:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805121826.NAA16384@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Hmmmm... this doesn't look good... In-Reply-To: <19980512130637.19663@mcs.net> from Karl Denninger at "May 12, 98 01:06:37 pm" To: karl@mcs.net (Karl Denninger) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:26:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > -CURRENT, with the following warnings happening since yesterday (and these > don't look good): > Those errors are minor (but I am going to fix them ASAP.) This is what I get for not checking a UP kernel. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 11:29:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26083 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26068 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA24231; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id NAA19431; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980512132939.57691@mcs.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:29:39 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmmmm... this doesn't look good... References: <19980512130637.19663@mcs.net> <199805121826.NAA16384@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199805121826.NAA16384@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 01:26:27PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 01:26:27PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > > -CURRENT, with the following warnings happening since yesterday (and these > > don't look good): > > > Those errors are minor (but I am going to fix them ASAP.) This is what > I get for not checking a UP kernel. > > John Are they harmless (ie: is the automatic promotion safe?) -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 11:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27098 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27051 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17274; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805121832.NAA17274@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Hmmmm... this doesn't look good... In-Reply-To: <19980512132939.57691@mcs.net> from Karl Denninger at "May 12, 98 01:29:39 pm" To: karl@mcs.net (Karl Denninger) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 01:26:27PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > > > > -CURRENT, with the following warnings happening since yesterday (and these > > > don't look good): > > > > > Those errors are minor (but I am going to fix them ASAP.) This is what > > I get for not checking a UP kernel. > > > > John > > Are they harmless (ie: is the automatic promotion safe?) > Yes, here are the diffs that I just committed: Index: cpufunc.h =================================================================== RCS file: /local/home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/include/cpufunc.h,v retrieving revision 1.77 diff -C5 -r1.77 cpufunc.h *** cpufunc.h 1998/05/11 02:13:47 1.77 --- cpufunc.h 1998/05/12 18:27:16 *************** *** 226,236 **** } #else /* !SMP */ static __inline void ! invlpg(void *addr) { __asm __volatile("invlpg %0"::"m"(*(char *)addr):"memory"); } --- 226,236 ---- } #else /* !SMP */ static __inline void ! invlpg(u_int addr) { __asm __volatile("invlpg %0"::"m"(*(char *)addr):"memory"); } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 11:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29381 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:45:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29374 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19817; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:44:58 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA06102; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:44:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980512204453.49360@follo.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:44:53 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Steve Kargl , jbryant@unix.tfs.net Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" References: <199805121547.KAA03044@unix.tfs.net> <199805121828.LAA03211@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805121828.LAA03211@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:28:20AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:28:20AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > > just because, as i understand it, they didn't want to bump the lib > > version numbers?!?!?! > > The version number can be bumped once per release, and that bump will > probably occur sometime prior to the release of FreeBSD-3.0. ... that 'prior' being about two months ago, IIRC. There was considerable irritation that that happened without good coordination - that meant that e.g. this change will have to go without a libc bump. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 12:22:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05694 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05686 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:22:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id VAA22075; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jbryant@unix.tfs.net Cc: ben@stuyts.nl, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" References: <199805121547.KAA03044@unix.tfs.net> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 May 1998 21:22:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jim Bryant's message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 10:47:03 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jim Bryant writes: > this has got to be one of the most damnned inconvenient changes i > have ever seen freebsd take... So who forced you to run current? If you don't like this, stick to stable. > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > recompiled?!?!?! Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. > just because, as i understand it, they didn't want to bump the lib > version numbers?!?!?! > does anyone realize how much this change breaks????!!!! Again, this is -current. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. BTW, are your ? and ! keys stuck?????!?!?!??!!!! -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 12:51:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11463 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11458 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21895 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd021870; Tue May 12 19:49:23 1998 Message-ID: <3558A7AE.5E652F78@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:49:02 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: soft-update update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The version of ffs_softdep.c available at: http://www.freebsd.org/~julian has been updated to include a patch from Luoqi Chen this makes it a lot more stable. In fact it makes it extremely stable. If you are testing Soft-updates I suggest you grab the new version of this file. julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 14:07:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24092 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24084 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA02310; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:07:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199805122107.XAA02310@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "John W. DeBoskey" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) broken ?? Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 00:47:21 EDT." <199805120447.AA02335@mozart> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:07:16 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "John W. DeBoskey" writes: >Hi, > > I'm running 3.0 current on my machine: > >FreeBSD FreeBSD.pc.sas.com 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #1: > Mon May 11 23:04:43 EDT 1998 > root@FreeBSD.pc.sas.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/FreeBSD i386 > > The following program gives a rather bogus result which causes >cdrecord to fail rather miserably: > >main() >{ > int rc; > rc = sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE); > printf("_SC_PAGESIZE == %d\n",rc); > return(0); >} > >$ make sysconftst >cc -O -pipe sysconf.c -o sysconf >$ ./sysconftst >_SC_PAGESIZE == -1 >$ > RTFM - sysconf does not support SC_PAGESIZE. It's returning an error. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 14:09:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24708 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24702 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:09:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA10901 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <19980512204453.49360@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:28:20AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > > just because, as i understand it, they didn't want to bump the lib > > version numbers?!?!?! > > The version number can be bumped once per release, and that bump will > probably occur sometime prior to the release of FreeBSD-3.0. What is the reason for this constraint? Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 14:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03026 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p151.tfs.net [139.146.210.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03021 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA04191; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:55:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199805122155.QAA04191@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= at "May 12, 98 09:22:15 pm" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:55:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Mar 8 12:29:10 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > Jim Bryant writes: > > this has got to be one of the most damnned inconvenient changes i > > have ever seen freebsd take... > > So who forced you to run current? If you don't like this, stick to stable. > > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > > recompiled?!?!?! > > Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. > > > just because, as i understand it, they didn't want to bump the lib > > version numbers?!?!?! > > > > > does anyone realize how much this change breaks????!!!! > > Again, this is -current. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the > kitchen. > > BTW, are your ? and ! keys stuck?????!?!?!??!!!! i understand the meaning of -current... even the one that says some idiotic change could bring down 60% of the apps ever written for FreeBSD. that is why such changes are made in -current. if such changes ever made it to -release, then watch how fast people split the fold and go to openbsd, or even linux for fear that anything they write will have to be re-released with the very next version of -release. i'll submit a diff tonight/tomorrow that will satisfy the requirements for the call without even relinking the target; a do-nothing stub that should have been factored in when the original __error was removed. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 15:32:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11019 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10918; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:32:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02942; Wed, 13 May 98 00:35:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 May 98 00:35:25 +0200 Message-Id: <9805122235.AA02942@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805112034.PAA00769@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> John S Dyson writes: > Jean-Marc Zucconi said: >> This is with a kernel compiled with sources from yesterday (cvs-cur >> 4279 199805102308). The X server does not start and just says: >> xf86OpenConsole: VT_ACTIVATE failed >> I run xdm, started from /etc/ttys. >> > How does the system work without X? I have made some changes, and > just want to make sure I haven't broken things worse. The problem appeared between April, 29 and April 30. (I started with a kernel from 04/23 and upgraded the sources with 1day increment until the problem appears) $ cvs diff -D"29 April 1998" -D"30 April 1998" 2>/dev/null |grep ^RCS RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/SMP-GENERIC,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/miscfs/procfs/procfs_map.c,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_vfsops.c,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pc98/conf/Makefile.pc98,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pc98/i386/trap.c,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/swap_pager.c,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/swap_pager.h,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_object.c,v RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_object.h,v Note also that the problem is related to xdm rather than the Xserver, because startx works. Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 15:36:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12062 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:36:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12002 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28496; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805122233.PAA28496@implode.root.com> To: Terry Lambert cc: steve@visint.co.uk, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 18:21:13 -0000." <199805121821.LAA23722@usr04.primenet.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:33:15 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Terry just doesn't understand how interrupts work on the PCI bus, despite >> providing a nice picture. :-) All of the PCI cards with a single interrupt >> will use INT A - that's just how it works and is the reason for the interrupts >> being cascaded the way they are on the bus. INT A on one slot is not the same >> interrupt on another. > >??? > >Uh, that's what I said. No, you said that you thought the reporting was wrong because one card should report using on INT A while another should report using INT B, etc. >I think it's unlikely that cards in two different slots will have INT a >assigned to them, unless the bus lines are *not* cascaded, which I also >think is unlikely on a modern motherboard. > >Why are both cards reported on INT a? ...and here you say this again. INT A is a PCI bus pin, it is not a specific interrupt. All of the PCI cards that need to interrupt use the "INT A" line, but since that is different for each slot, a different physical interrupt is usually used. A card would use INT B usually only after also using INT A (i.e. it needs two interrupts). Which "INT" line the card uses is a function of how the card is wired and has nothing to do with the BIOS or FreeBSD. So, the "INT" letter is irrelevant. What you should be paying attention to is the irq number that is reported, and you want that to be unique if possible. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 16:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29412 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29383; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09387; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:59:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805122359.SAA09387@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way In-Reply-To: <9805122235.AA02942@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> from Jean-Marc Zucconi at "May 13, 98 00:35:25 am" To: jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr (Jean-Marc Zucconi) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:59:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jean-Marc Zucconi said: > > The problem appeared between April, 29 and April 30. (I started with a > kernel from 04/23 and upgraded the sources with 1day increment until > the problem appears) > > Note also that the problem is related to xdm rather than the Xserver, > because startx works. > Good hint... I'll try to look at it in the next day or so. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 17:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00228 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00158 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id TAA14524; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:03:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Julian Elischer cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <3558A7AE.5E652F78@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > The version of ffs_softdep.c > available at: > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian > > has been updated to include a patch from Luoqi Chen > > this makes it a lot more stable. > In fact it makes it extremely stable. Is this also SMP safe? or just UP :) I feel the need for speed, so ill test em if there ok to use on SMP. Chrsi -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. 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This means that people will get thread-aware code whether they like it or not. This change is required to allow a process to link against libpthread and libc to use kernel threads (and prevent each thread from clobbering another thread's errno just [by] doing a syscall). This is bound to break some ports, but it is strictly allowed by ANSI C, so anything that breaks as a result was already broken anyway 8-). "Sorry". ******* Your diff will be a step backwards. -- Steve finger kargl@troutmask.apl.washington.edu http://troutmask.apl.washington.edu/~clesceri/kargl.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 17:41:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07829 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07815 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26399; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:39:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805130039.TAA26399@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: from Open Systems Networking at "May 12, 98 08:03:06 pm" To: opsys@mail.webspan.net (Open Systems Networking) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:39:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 12 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > The version of ffs_softdep.c > > available at: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian > > > > has been updated to include a patch from Luoqi Chen > > > > this makes it a lot more stable. > > In fact it makes it extremely stable. > > Is this also SMP safe? or just UP :) > > I feel the need for speed, so ill test em if there ok to use on SMP. > I run SMP almost exclusively, and have had absolutely no softupdates panics since all of the fixes. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 17:44:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08393 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08384 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA24035; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: "John S. Dyson" cc: julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <199805130039.TAA26399@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 May 1998, John S. Dyson wrote: > I run SMP almost exclusively, and have had absolutely no softupdates > panics since all of the fixes. Excelelnt. Then I will uncomment softupdates and make a new kernel now and start running them again. Ill let you know if I can beat my 2-3 day uptime before SU's wedges this box. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 17:45:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08676 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailman.cs.ucla.edu (Mailman.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.128.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08661 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottm@mordred.cs.ucla.edu) Received: from mordred.cs.ucla.edu (mordred.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.48.34]) by mailman.cs.ucla.edu (8.8.8/UCLACS-4.0) with ESMTP id RAA25304 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scottm@localhost) by mordred.cs.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00307 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottm) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Michel Message-Id: <199805130045.RAA00307@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCSI controller suggestions Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Other than the venerable AHA 2940 series and DPT, are there any other suggestions wrt SCSI host adapters? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 18:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18563 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18556 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:51:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04464; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd004402; Tue May 12 18:51:38 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26286; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:51:29 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805130151.SAA26286@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:51:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, steve@visint.co.uk, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805122233.PAA28496@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at May 12, 98 03:33:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Uh, that's what I said. > > No, you said that you thought the reporting was wrong because one card > should report using on INT A while another should report using INT B, etc. [ ... ] > > ...and here you say this again. INT A is a PCI bus pin, it is not a > specific interrupt. All of the PCI cards that need to interrupt use the > "INT A" line, but since that is different for each slot, a different physical > interrupt is usually used. A card would use INT B usually only after also > using INT A (i.e. it needs two interrupts). Which "INT" line the card uses > is a function of how the card is wired and has nothing to do with the BIOS > or FreeBSD. Right. > So, the "INT" letter is irrelevant. What you should be paying attention > to is the irq number that is reported, and you want that to be unique if > possible. The int that is reported by FreeBSD should match the PCI mapping. For example: ... int a irq 10 ... ... int a irq 11 ... ... int a irq 12 ... ... int a irq 13 ... Should be reported based on the PCI mapping of PCI bridge pins to irq's. That is, reporting "int a" is incorrect, since "a" is not the PCI bridge pin, it's the slot pin. The slot pin is not useful, unless there was additional reporting of the card by the slot it was in, and whether or not the PCI interrupts were cascaded or not by the PCI bridge used. In other words, if it's always going to be "int a", why report the "int" at all? If I want to know if interrupts are being shared, which is the primary thing I'm interested in, the int pin(s) utilized by the card *from the point of view of the PCI bridge* is what's useful. This, for example, is not very useful, except for making the dmesg more noisy than it needs to be: ] vga0 rev 6 int a irq 12 on pci0:10 ] de0 rev 32 int a irq 10 on pci0:11 ] ncr0 rev 18 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 In the other hand, if I had multiple bridges, knowing the int->irq mapping could be *very* useful. As it is, it's possible for me to get the hierarchical mapping only by looking at the "pciX:YY". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 19:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21305 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hawks.caro.net (hawks.caro.NET [209.12.201.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21299 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:14:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@hawks.caro.net) Received: from hawks.caro.net (localhost.caro.net [127.0.0.1]) by hawks.caro.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02137 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:14:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@hawks.caro.net) Message-Id: <199805130214.WAA02137@hawks.caro.net> From: awhawks@usa.net To: Tom Subject: Re: SCSI problems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 23:01:29 PDT." Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:14:43 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have found my problem. I had two controllers in my machine a old 2940 and a AHA-2910B controller that came with my Philips cd2600 burner. I had only the burner on the 2910 and all my other SCSI devices on the 2940. 2910:(7) (2) philips cd2600 2940:(7) (0) fujitsu m2694es (1-gig drive) (1) fujitsu m2909s (3-gig drive) (5) EXABYTE exb-8200 (tape drive) (6) NEC 6x cdrom (cd player) After moving the Philips cd2600 from the 2910 to the 2940 and removing the 2910 from my machine the SCSI problems disapeared. Is their a problem in the code if you have multiple SCSI controllers? Adam W. Hawks awhawks@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 20:19:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28173 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28168 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id DAA10225; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:18:20 GMT Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:18:20 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Scott Michel cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI controller suggestions In-Reply-To: <199805130045.RAA00307@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 May 1998, Scott Michel wrote: > Other than the venerable AHA 2940 series and DPT, are there any other > suggestions wrt SCSI host adapters? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message NCR/SYMBIOS are pretty rock solid. I use both NCR 53C815 and AHA 2940UW and both have been very stable. This will start to get confusing since NCR became SYMBIOS which in turn has recently been swallowed by Adaptec. Freefall has a 53C875 which is an ultra-wide adapter. The 53C810/53C815 are narrow. Regards, mike hancock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 20:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01473 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (crbowman.erols.com [209.122.47.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01461 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02796; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:47:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.ChrisBowman.com: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:47:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" To: Scott Michel cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI controller suggestions In-Reply-To: <199805130045.RAA00307@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 May 1998, Scott Michel wrote: >Other than the venerable AHA 2940 series and DPT, are there any other >suggestions wrt SCSI host adapters? > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message I have been very happy with my 53c875 based Tekram 390F. $85 from www.5oclock.com (I have never ordered from them, Caveat Emptor) --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com My home page To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 22:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17742 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17724 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04275; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805130552.WAA04275@implode.root.com> To: Terry Lambert cc: steve@visint.co.uk, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 01:51:29 -0000." <199805130151.SAA26286@usr09.primenet.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:52:49 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >The int that is reported by FreeBSD should match the PCI mapping. > >For example: > > ... int a irq 10 ... > ... int a irq 11 ... > ... int a irq 12 ... > ... int a irq 13 ... > >Should be reported based on the PCI mapping of PCI bridge pins to >irq's. > >That is, reporting "int a" is incorrect, since "a" is not the PCI >bridge pin, it's the slot pin. Perhaps that should be reported when probing the bridge chip, and I have no problem with that, but the information that comes out for the PCI card is correct in that it is reporting info about the card and not about the bridge mapping. I'm not arguing against what you are saying, just pointing out the way it works, which is different than they way you thought it worked. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 23:13:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19487 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19481 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from fanfic.org (localhost.fanfic.org [127.0.0.1]) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA27885; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:11:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Posted-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Tenn To: Scott Michel cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI controller suggestions In-Reply-To: <199805130045.RAA00307@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 May 1998, Scott Michel wrote: | Other than the venerable AHA 2940 series and DPT, are there any other | suggestions wrt SCSI host adapters? I use two NCR/SYMBIOS SCSI controllers in my system. A 53c810a for my SCSI-II devices and a 53c875j for my Ultra-Wide devices. The 53c810a is an ASUS SC200 (about $65 CDN) and my 53c875j is a Diamond FirePort40 (about $200 CDN). Both work perfectly. In fact I had the SC200 first and compiled support for it in a new kernel and when I got the FirePort40 all I did was put it in my computer and it automatically recognized it. No need to rebuild a kernel. Both have been perfectly stable since I've gotten them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested ICQ# 1457509 * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 23:26:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21224 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21219 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from fanfic.org (localhost.fanfic.org [127.0.0.1]) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA28049; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:26:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Posted-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:26:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Tenn To: Julian Elischer cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <3558A7AE.5E652F78@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: | The version of ffs_softdep.c | available at: | http://www.freebsd.org/~julian | | has been updated to include a patch from Luoqi Chen | | this makes it a lot more stable. | In fact it makes it extremely stable. | | If you are testing Soft-updates I suggest you grab the new | version of this file. | | julian What's the recommended proceedure for installing softupdate support? I'm assuming: 1. Retrieving the latest softupdate code and putting them in the correct place in the source tree. 2. Compiling support for softupdate in a new kernel. options "SOFTUPDATES" 3. Installing the new kernel and rebooting to single-user mode. 4. Running 'tunefs -n enable ' 5. Rebooting to multi-user mode (normally). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested ICQ# 1457509 * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 12 23:30:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21926 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21907 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (root@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07240; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:30:22 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17819; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:30:19 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199805130630.IAA17819@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Tony Lynn" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-980507-SNAP with perl5.04004 package Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:30:18 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Tony Lynn" wrote: > Hello all: > I just installed 3.0-989597 SNAP , and installed perl5.04004 (from > packages-3.0) > when I exec /usr/local/bin/perl5 -v , the messages says: > ld.so: can't find shared library libnet.so.0.92 Looks like the ports-building machine is including too much in the build. > I've tried to make a perl by myself , but the problem is still there. How did you do this? M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 00:11:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27249 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:11:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27240 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11467; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd011465; Wed May 13 07:03:30 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Dennis Tenn cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG exactly.. On Wed, 13 May 1998, Dennis Tenn wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > | The version of ffs_softdep.c > | available at: > | http://www.freebsd.org/~julian > | > | has been updated to include a patch from Luoqi Chen > | > | this makes it a lot more stable. > | In fact it makes it extremely stable. > | > | If you are testing Soft-updates I suggest you grab the new > | version of this file. > | > | julian > > What's the recommended proceedure for installing softupdate support? I'm > assuming: > > 1. Retrieving the latest softupdate code and putting them in the > correct place in the source tree. > 2. Compiling support for softupdate in a new kernel. > options "SOFTUPDATES" > 3. Installing the new kernel and rebooting to single-user mode. > 4. Running 'tunefs -n enable ' you can even do this from the old kernel. but you should be in single-user mode. > 5. Rebooting to multi-user mode (normally). > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time > dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested > ICQ# 1457509 * Stand tall and rise to the occasion > * For only then will you grow strong. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 00:29:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29585 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de [132.180.20.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29562; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from croot@btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de) Received: (from root@localhost) by btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id JAA15413; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:29:04 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9805122235.AA02942@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:29:04 +0200 (MEST) Organization: university of bayreuth From: Werner Griessl To: Jean-Marc Zucconi Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 12-May-98 Jean-Marc Zucconi wrote: >>>>>> John S Dyson writes: > > > Jean-Marc Zucconi said: > >> This is with a kernel compiled with sources from yesterday (cvs-cur > >> 4279 199805102308). The X server does not start and just says: > >> xf86OpenConsole: VT_ACTIVATE failed > >> I run xdm, started from /etc/ttys. > >> > > How does the system work without X? I have made some changes, and > > just want to make sure I haven't broken things worse. > > The problem appeared between April, 29 and April 30. (I started with a > kernel from 04/23 and upgraded the sources with 1day increment until > the problem appears) > $ cvs diff -D"29 April 1998" -D"30 April 1998" 2>/dev/null |grep ^RCS > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/SMP-GENERIC,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/miscfs/procfs/procfs_map.c,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_vfsops.c,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pc98/conf/Makefile.pc98,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pc98/i386/trap.c,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/swap_pager.c,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/swap_pager.h,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_object.c,v > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_object.h,v > > Note also that the problem is related to xdm rather than the Xserver, > because startx works. > > Jean-Marc > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon > cedex > PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Werner Griessl Date: 13-May-98 Time: 09:23:47 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- I posted a mail a few days ago about this but with no answer. Yesterday i recompiled XFree86 from ports answering no to any of the auth-questions and it works now for me. Werner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 00:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03924 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03919 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from fanfic.org (localhost.fanfic.org [127.0.0.1]) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA00639; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:53:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Posted-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:53:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Tenn To: Julian Elischer cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: | exactly.. | > | > | The version of ffs_softdep.c | > | available at: | > | http://www.freebsd.org/~julian | > | | > | has been updated to include a patch from Luoqi Chen | > | | > | this makes it a lot more stable. | > | In fact it makes it extremely stable. | > | | > | If you are testing Soft-updates I suggest you grab the new | > | version of this file. | > | | > | julian | > | > What's the recommended proceedure for installing softupdate support? I'm | > assuming: | > | > 1. Retrieving the latest softupdate code and putting them in the | > correct place in the source tree. | > 2. Compiling support for softupdate in a new kernel. | > options "SOFTUPDATES" | > 3. Installing the new kernel and rebooting to single-user mode. | > 4. Running 'tunefs -n enable ' | | you can even do this from the old kernel. | but you should be in single-user mode. | | > 5. Rebooting to multi-user mode (normally). Thanks. Done and will now put it through it's paces. Looks good so far. (knock on wood) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested ICQ# 1457509 * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 01:16:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08767 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08759 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17906; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:15:34 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA06191; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:39:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id KAA27098; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:15:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980513101506.27982@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:15:06 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Julian Elischer Cc: Dennis Tenn , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Julian Elischer on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 12:03:27AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer writes: > > 4. Running 'tunefs -n enable ' > > you can even do this from the old kernel. > but you should be in single-user mode. Trick question: what happens if you run a softupdate-enabled FS with a non-soft. kernel ? Is it fully transparent ? -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 02:10:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17336 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17296 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14336; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805130909.CAA14336@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dennis Tenn cc: Julian Elischer , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 03:53:31 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:09:39 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So far soft updates is very solid on my box !! I did a make world which very recently was causing a panic and then I tried to kill soft-updates by untarring , removing a very large tree (java) while doing a make world. Kudos to all those involved in the soft-update project!!! Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 03:37:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00606 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:37:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk ([212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00597 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02415; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:36:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805131036.MAA02415@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <199805130909.CAA14336@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "May 13, 98 02:09:39 am" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Cc: dstenn@fanfic.org, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Amancio Hasty who wrote: > > So far soft updates is very solid on my box !! > > I did a make world which very recently was causing a panic > and then I tried to kill soft-updates by untarring , removing a very > large tree (java) while doing a make world. What about SMP systems, last time I tried it took really good care of my files :( -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 03:57:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03627 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (199-170-160-78.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03620 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id DAA06666; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805130045.RAA00307@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Scott Michel Subject: RE: SCSI controller suggestions Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 13-May-98, Scott Michel wrote: > Other than the venerable AHA 2940 series and DPT, are there any other > suggestions wrt SCSI host adapters? The NCR/SymBios series is very well regarded by the free UNIX community, and good solid drivers exist for both Linux and the *BSD's. They can be had pretty cheaply, too -- a nice fast/narrow can ge gotten for $50 or sometimes even lower. Of course, ultra/wide/ultrawide/... varieties are also available. - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNVl8PfjpixuAwagxAQGscwQAjNPFSGDTXfb/Y4wBqsdoEZoRckzb53Et 3YnHY1Pm6XEV2BXbv51ciYXF27XlHY5NF9ce8fZmyoYw9izeq6fZHNvseIsQ5s/A uqxciFD/KhTrPmcdTx0zfHjFFnbGxOmxQHM1LMu2lJjM5izveka068tGPBxesGGF ggvJj9HAsRc= =MMlp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 04:29:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10414 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10407; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-6-15.camtech.net.au [203.28.0.207]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id UAA08426; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:56:45 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <355983A9.876C9338@camtech.net.au> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:57:37 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Jean-Marc Zucconi , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way References: <199805122359.SAA09387@dyson.iquest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have just rebuilt the world and kernel at CTM src-cur.3366 (seems to be dated: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:00:56 -0700) and my XFree86 3.3.2 seems to be working fine. I run it from xdm out of /etc/ttys It wasn't that long ago that I rebuilt X anyway to upgrade to 3.3.2 so I'd suggest a re-build if you've got the disk space. John S. Dyson wrote: > > Jean-Marc Zucconi said: > > > > The problem appeared between April, 29 and April 30. (I started with a > > kernel from 04/23 and upgraded the sources with 1day increment until > > the problem appears) > > > > Note also that the problem is related to xdm rather than the Xserver, > > because startx works. > > > Good hint... I'll try to look at it in the next day or so. > > -- > John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, > dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, > jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 04:44:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13668 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA13437; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id NAA04484; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:42:41 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199805131142.NAA04484@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <199805131036.MAA02415@sos.freebsd.dk> from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= at "May 13, 98 12:36:04 pm" To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:42:41 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, dstenn@fanfic.org, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > So far soft updates is very solid on my box !! > > > > I did a make world which very recently was causing a panic > > and then I tried to kill soft-updates by untarring , removing a very > > large tree (java) while doing a make world. > > What about SMP systems, last time I tried it took really good > care of my files :( > Well I have tried it on on my SMP dual PII 266MHz system again and for the first time it went right through a make world with no problems! Just to make sure I did it a second time and it also went right through, where previously it would crash very early. I have only got /usr/obj mounted though. Thanks to everyone who did their bit to make this work! John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 05:25:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18412 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18407 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id HAA08606 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:25:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA25174; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:23:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce Albrecht Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:23:10 -0500 (CDT) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <199805130909.CAA14336@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199805130909.CAA14336@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13657.33359.410292.892527@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do soft updates work with SMP and CCD partitions? Are they affected by CAM? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 07:45:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08272 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com (qmailr@cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com [207.236.16.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08262 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbirn@cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com) Received: (qmail 19764 invoked by uid 1000); 13 May 1998 14:45:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19980513144505.19762.qmail@cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Steve Birnbaum To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: swaping of large process Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1112120560P"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:45:04 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-1112120560P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm running 3.0-980426-SNAP with 32M of RAM and a 128M swap partition. I've found that when a single process exhausts the available physical memory the swap is not being used, resulting in an out of memory error with almost half the swap space free. The specific circumstance is gcc compiling kfmgui.cpp since the process then needs about 30M if not more of memory. Did something get broken in the latest snap release? Steve --==_Exmh_-1112120560P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQEVAwUBNVmx7wNowu66bCy5AQFVvgf+IdB+40IbulEPWaneqeKXBTfdKsmsgg8t IBMWCHDhZts7obzZcby11QEC8sCiraIb7SGCBnYu/BZ7VgID0W19y1sAiyn3x2I/ UntqCTTlR7Ix7SgbkhoRe+KX1ISqUUQcykXqVUYZgejgfxKlKIcRQuAviOLiTtnh OsRO5BX3nTW+Txj8BZUuT1jSsdCg/XO/7twGOJPUaZiZVg6w9rV+6JmR3kmGJeqi 63P8Z+bwBKSq43NUDdn5nPqz3+vQ5Tg5/PICua6VII7/BzinEk/IgFgRESb1KVnf fPXs2HQATNnELbq+d04cnFZFgqnIjmzSuTFIozP/Yu5uapbI1Uc9mg== =qvY6 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --==_Exmh_-1112120560P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 07:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09897 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA09883 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA21276; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:23:55 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805131323.PAA21276@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: soft-update update To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:23:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dstenn@fanfic.org, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805130909.CAA14336@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at May 13, 98 02:09:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I did a make world which very recently was causing a panic > and then I tried to kill soft-updates by untarring , removing a very > large tree (java) while doing a make world. are you fed up with java or it was just a test :) cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 08:16:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13416 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:16:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13411; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09420; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: julian@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:16:15 -0700 Message-ID: <9416.895072575@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, they worked so well on kickme.cdrom.com (which finished a complete world build with soft updates on just a few hours ago) that I decided to try it on goanna (AKA zaphod), my 3.0-current dual-P6 box. After installing the soft update kernel, doing the tunefs thing and rebooting, it died right after starting AMD on the reboot with the following panic: panic: softdep_fsync: pending ops mp_lock = 0x00000001; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000 Unfortunately, the dump also failed so I didn't get an image for you guys. I can try again if you're unable to reproduce it. I'm also off to check my LKMs and such carefully since all I did was rebuild a new kernel - I haven't made the world on the box for a couple of weeks. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 08:30:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16602 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16530 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15462; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805131528.IAA15462@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: dstenn@fanfic.org, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 15:23:55 +0200." <199805131323.PAA21276@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:28:39 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is a love / hate relationshiop with Java !! Just kidding I just wanted a reasonable large directory and Java happen to be right on my face. Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 08:56:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19783 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mylanders.com (mylanders.com [206.252.160.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19775 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nat@mylanders.com) Received: from localhost (nat@localhost) by mylanders.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02110; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:11:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:11:36 -0500 (CDT) From: John Frader To: John Birrell cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld and make clean errors In-Reply-To: <199805112149.HAA11347@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, When I tried the make world this is what I got so far into it: e/lst.lib/lstDeQueue.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstDestroy.c In file included from /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.h:66, from /usr/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstInt.h:47, from /usr/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstDestroy.c:48: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/stdlib.h:39: sys/cdafs.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. # On Tue, 12 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > John Frader wrote: > > rm -f a.out Errs errs mklog grep dfa.o grep.o getopt.o kwset.o obstack.o > > search.o grep.1.gz grep.1.cat.gz > > ===> gnu/usr.bin/gzip > > "Makefile", line 11: Malformed conditional (${MACHINE_ARCH} == "i386") > > "Makefile", line 11: Need an operator > > "Makefile", line 14: if-less endif > > "Makefile", line 14: Need an operator > > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > This looks like you need to do a make world to get /usr/share/mk updated. > You can try just installing from there (sys.mk contains the MACHINE_ARCH > default for the i386 make which doesn't have it compiled in) and then > retrying the command that failed. > > The changes to the tree since Nov 97 are sufficiently major to required > a 'make world' not a subset, IMO. > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 09:24:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23888 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23830; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00393; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:23:33 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Message-ID: <19980513182333.A341@shale.csir.co.za> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:23:33 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: Matthew Thyer , dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Jean-Marc Zucconi , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way References: <199805122359.SAA09387@dyson.iquest.net> <355983A9.876C9338@camtech.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <355983A9.876C9338@camtech.net.au>; from Matthew Thyer on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 08:57:37PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi... On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 08:57:37PM +0930, Matthew Thyer wrote: > I have just rebuilt the world and kernel at CTM src-cur.3366 > (seems to be dated: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:00:56 -0700) > > and my XFree86 3.3.2 seems to be working fine. > > I run it from xdm out of /etc/ttys > > It wasn't that long ago that I rebuilt X anyway to upgrade to 3.3.2 > so I'd suggest a re-build if you've got the disk space. I've been having this same problem... Just did some rebuilding, since I still had the XFree86-3.3.2 sources extracted. With a kernel and world built last night (12 May 22:00 GMT), and with xdm built with XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1, X will loop. Without this option it behaves as normal. xdm includes SecureRPC, but not Kerberos. An extract from 'xdm -debug 1': [...] SetLocalAuthorization :0, auth XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 GenerateAuthorization XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 Local server auth 1b 7f b0 2a 2a b1 22 c1 00 8b 09 88 ca 8d 54 b8 Got 0x20ba0 (19 XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1) 1b 7f b0 2a 2a b1 22 c1 00 8b 09 88 ca 8d 54 b8 GenerateAuthorization MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 Got 0x20be0 (18 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1) 7a 8d a7 a5 ea 0a ee 59 c5 71 56 b0 97 23 7e fa File: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-PdY237 auth: 24660 StartServer for :0 Server Started 240 '/usr/X11R6/bin/X' '-auth' '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-PdY237' display manager paused til SIGUSR1 pid: 241 WaitForSomething DisplayManager._0.resources/DisplayManager._0.Resources value /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xresources DisplayManager._0.xrdb/DisplayManager._0.Xrdb value /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb DisplayManager._0.setup/DisplayManager._0.Setup value /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0 DisplayManager._0.startup/DisplayManager._0.Startup value /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/GiveConsole DisplayManager._0.reset/DisplayManager._0.Reset value /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/TakeConsole DisplayManager._0.session/DisplayManager._0.Session value /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession DisplayManager._0.userPath/DisplayManager._0.Path value /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/gnu/bin:/usr/local/bin DisplayManager._0.systemPath/DisplayManager._0.Path value /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin DisplayManager._0.systemShell/DisplayManager._0.Shell value /bin/sh DisplayManager._0.failsafeClient/DisplayManager._0.FailsafeClient value /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm DisplayManager._0.userAuthDir/DisplayManager._0.UserAuthDir value /tmp DisplayManager._0.chooser/DisplayManager._0.Chooser value /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/chooser Before XOpenDisplay(:0) After XOpenDisplay(:0) ManageSession :0 Loading resource file: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xresources greet :0 SecureDisplay :0 Before XGrabServer :0 XGrabKeyboard succeeded :0 pseudoReset screen 0 before XSync pseudoReset done done secure :0 select returns -1. Rescan: 0 ChildReady: 1 signals blocked, mask was 0x0 Manager wait returns pid: 241 sig 0 core 0 code 1 Display exited with REMANAGE_DISPLAY StartDisplay :0 DisplayManager._0.serverAttempts/DisplayManager._0.ServerAttempts value 1 DisplayManager._0.openDelay/DisplayManager._0.OpenDelay value 15 DisplayManager._0.openRepeat/DisplayManager._0.OpenRepeat value 5 DisplayManager._0.openTimeout/DisplayManager._0.OpenTimeout value 120 DisplayManager._0.startAttempts/DisplayManager._0.StartAttempts value 4 DisplayManager._0.pingInterval/DisplayManager._0.PingInterval value 5 DisplayManager._0.pingTimeout/DisplayManager._0.PingTimeout value 5 DisplayManager._0.terminateServer/DisplayManager._0.TerminateServer value false DisplayManager._0.grabServer/DisplayManager._0.GrabServer value false DisplayManager._0.grabTimeout/DisplayManager._0.GrabTimeout value 3 DisplayManager._0.resetSignal/DisplayManager._0.Signal value 1 DisplayManager._0.termSignal/DisplayManager._0.Signal value 15 DisplayManager._0.resetForAuth/DisplayManager._0.ResetForAuth value false DisplayManager._0.authorize/DisplayManager._0.Authorize value true DisplayManager._0.authComplain/DisplayManager._0.AuthComplain value false DisplayManager._0.authName/DisplayManager._0.AuthName value XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 DisplayManager._0.authFile/DisplayManager._0.AuthFile value SetLocalAuthorization :0, auth XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 GenerateAuthorization XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 Local server auth 96 b5 4e 93 f8 4e 9f 1e 00 29 53 79 33 d4 8c d2 Got 0x20ba0 (19 XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1) 96 b5 4e 93 f8 4e 9f 1e 00 29 53 79 33 d4 8c d2 GenerateAuthorization MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 Got 0x20be0 (18 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1) c7 12 4d a1 13 2c 8b d8 66 87 85 46 8f ba a5 d7 File: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-PdY237 auth: 24660 pid: 247 WaitForSomething [...] display manager caught SIGUSR1 select returns -1. Rescan: 0 ChildReady: 0 WaitForSomething Shutting down entire manager select returns -1. Rescan: 0 ChildReady: 1 signals blocked, mask was 0x0 Manager wait returns pid: 282 sig 15 core 0 code 0 Display exited on SIGTERM Manager wait returns pid: 240 sig 0 core 0 code 1 Zombie server reaped, removing display :0 Nothing left to do, exiting If you want I can send dmesg (vanilla UP system, S3 Trio64, DEVFS, SLICE, softupdates) and the full xdm debug output... Hope this helps... -Jeremy -- | ----------------------------------------------------- --+-- "What a crazy world we live in, | we save the whales yet support abortion" - MIC | ----------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 10:41:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05791 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05783 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: from natasya.kublai.com (natasya.kublai.com [207.172.25.236]) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13919; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:41:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27228; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980513134107.59133@kublai.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:41:07 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Bruce Albrecht , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <199805130909.CAA14336@rah.star-gate.com> <13657.33359.410292.892527@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <13657.33359.410292.892527@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org>; from Bruce Albrecht on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 06:23:10AM -0500 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 06:23:10AM -0500, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > Do soft updates work with SMP and CCD partitions? Are they affected > by CAM? I'm running soft updates with CAM now and have had one panic (but I was in X at the time, and had savecore mis-setup, so I didn't get it). I'm trying it again now, without X, and things seem to be okay, but I'd still be wary of it. -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 11:06:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10543 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10445; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26425; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd026420; Wed May 13 17:55:06 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:55:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: julian@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP In-Reply-To: <9416.895072575@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't guarantee it with SMP yet.. (though john has been running it that way) BTW the last patch to ffs_softdep.c suposedly fixed that same panic for the UP case. are you sure you got it? (My guess is that both processors were in there, and that one made a new dependency while the other was clearing them out.. julian On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Well, they worked so well on kickme.cdrom.com (which finished a > complete world build with soft updates on just a few hours ago) that I > decided to try it on goanna (AKA zaphod), my 3.0-current dual-P6 box. > After installing the soft update kernel, doing the tunefs thing and > rebooting, it died right after starting AMD on the reboot with the > following panic: > > panic: softdep_fsync: pending ops > mp_lock = 0x00000001; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000 > > Unfortunately, the dump also failed so I didn't get an image for > you guys. I can try again if you're unable to reproduce it. > I'm also off to check my LKMs and such carefully since all I did > was rebuild a new kernel - I haven't made the world on the box > for a couple of weeks. > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 11:15:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13530 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13513; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10410; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Julian Elischer cc: julian@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 10:55:03 PDT." Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:15:06 -0700 Message-ID: <10407.895083306@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > BTW the last patch to ffs_softdep.c suposedly fixed that same panic > for the UP case. are you sure you got it? > (My guess is that both processors were in there, and that > one made a new dependency while the other was clearing them out.. Is it up on your web page? I just grabbed what you had there last night, not knowing any other source for same. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 11:44:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19214 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19197; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id OAA21724; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Søren Schmidt cc: Amancio Hasty , dstenn@fanfic.org, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <199805131036.MAA02415@sos.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA19208 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 May 1998, Søren Schmidt wrote: > What about SMP systems, last time I tried it took really good > care of my files :( That was my concern as well. I have been running them on my SMP box for, up 17:39, and so far so good. My biggest problem was usually under HEAVY swap where the drives would grind for 5 minutes it would just wedge about an hour after a heavy paging session. But so far so good. Ill let you know in another day or two which is the longest I had soft updates running before my smp box wedged wether it works or not. But it appears to be ok. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd..org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 12:01:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22396 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grape.carrier.kiev.ua (grape.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22303 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archer@grape.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from archer@localhost) by grape.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25210; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:31:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from archer) Message-ID: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:31:10 +0300 From: Alexander Litvin To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: daemons exiting on signal 11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, so I needed to restart cron :-\ Alexander Litvin --- It's lucky you're going so slowly, because you're going in the wrong direction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 12:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22917 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22912 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28889; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028885; Wed May 13 18:59:11 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Philippe Regnauld cc: Dennis Tenn , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <19980513101506.27982@deepo.prosa.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA22913 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG nothing happens :-) On Wed, 13 May 1998, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > Julian Elischer writes: > > > > 4. Running 'tunefs -n enable ' > > > > you can even do this from the old kernel. > > but you should be in single-user mode. > > Trick question: what happens if you run a softupdate-enabled > FS with a non-soft. kernel ? Is it fully transparent ? > > -- > -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- > «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead > IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» > - S. Kelly Bootle > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 12:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23464 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:05:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23451; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:05:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28955; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028949; Wed May 13 19:00:23 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: S?ren Schmidt cc: Amancio Hasty , dstenn@fanfic.org, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <199805131036.MAA02415@sos.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA23453 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We've had mixed reports with SMP certainly we need to do an SMP audit on it but I think that that is true for the entire VFS system. julian On Wed, 13 May 1998, S?ren Schmidt wrote: > In reply to Amancio Hasty who wrote: > > > > So far soft updates is very solid on my box !! > > > > I did a make world which very recently was causing a panic > > and then I tried to kill soft-updates by untarring , removing a very > > large tree (java) while doing a make world. > > What about SMP systems, last time I tried it took really good > care of my files :( > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team > Even more code to hack -- will it ever end > .. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 12:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25259 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25240 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29026; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd029015; Wed May 13 19:01:46 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Bruce Albrecht cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <13657.33359.410292.892527@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG works for CCD (though not tested for a while) CAM is untested. works with DEVFS/SLICE (didn't always) On Wed, 13 May 1998, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > Do soft updates work with SMP and CCD partitions? Are they affected > by CAM? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 12:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25304 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25267; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29247; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd029243; Wed May 13 19:06:34 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: julian@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP In-Reply-To: <10407.895083306@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG that should have done it... On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > BTW the last patch to ffs_softdep.c suposedly fixed that same panic > > for the UP case. are you sure you got it? > > (My guess is that both processors were in there, and that > > one made a new dependency while the other was clearing them out.. > > Is it up on your web page? I just grabbed what you had there last > night, not knowing any other source for same. > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 13:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11160 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:35:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11154 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA21656; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:38:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805132038.GAA21656@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: buildworld and make clean errors In-Reply-To: from John Frader at "May 13, 98 11:11:36 am" To: nat@mylanders.com (John Frader) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:38:15 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Frader wrote: > Hi, > > When I tried the make world this is what I got so far into it: > > e/lst.lib/lstDeQueue.c > cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include > -c /usr/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstDestroy.c > In file included from /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.h:66, > from /usr/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstInt.h:47, > from /usr/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstDestroy.c:48: > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/stdlib.h:39: sys/cdafs.h: No such file or ^^^^^ Have you got a corrupted stdlib.h? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 13:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14285 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14278; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11194; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Julian Elischer cc: julian@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 12:06:29 PDT." Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:50:47 -0700 Message-ID: <11190.895092647@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, the machine is now building the world with soft updates enabled again. Someone wrote to me directly and said "do you have your fs also mounted async? This kills me every time!" I did indeed have async turned on in my /etc/fstab and so I turned it off and things have been going much more nicely on that box now! :) - Jordan > that should have done it... > > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > BTW the last patch to ffs_softdep.c suposedly fixed that same panic > > > for the UP case. are you sure you got it? > > > (My guess is that both processors were in there, and that > > > one made a new dependency while the other was clearing them out.. > > > > Is it up on your web page? I just grabbed what you had there last > > night, not knowing any other source for same. > > > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 14:46:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23885 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (ns.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23870 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/mexico-1.3/nospam) with ESMTP id XAA03412 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:46:20 +0200 (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/brasil-1.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA10158 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:45:48 +0200 (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id AAA11347 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:08:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980512000843.A11309@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:08:43 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update code looking very stable Mail-Followup-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980510234002J.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <19980510234002J.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp>; from Takeshi Yamada on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 11:40:02PM +0900 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4274 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Takeshi Yamada: > Isn't it possible to be because of the implementation detail > differences of drivers (Adaptec 2940U/W vs. DC390U/F)? I also have a NCR/Symbios based card, the ASUS SC-875. I'll try again. ncr0: rev 0x03 int a irq 9 on pci0.11.0 scbus0 at ncr0 bus 0 sd0 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access sd0: WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd0: 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors) sd1 at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 sd1: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1: Direct-Access sd1: WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd1: 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors) sd2 at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 sd2: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2: Direct-Access sd2: 20.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) st1 at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 st1: type 1 removable SCSI 2 st1: Sequential-Access density code 0x0, drive empty -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Apr 21 02:45:53 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 14:48:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24355 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m2.findmail.com (m2.findmail.com [209.185.96.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24334 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brianfeldman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 9278 invoked by uid 505); 13 May 1998 21:46:30 -0000 Date: 13 May 1998 21:46:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19980513214630.9275.qmail@m2.findmail.com> From: "Brian Feldman" Subject: Re: swaping of large process In-Reply-To: <19980513144505.19762.qmail@cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All right, I think I can handle this question, but I'll assume some givens. This, if I'm interpreting it correctly, is not a FreeBSD problem. I am guessing that you are trying to use ld to construct a large file as a non-root user. As a non-root user, by default there are limits imposed in /etc/login.conf (man 5 login.conf) such as file size, CPU limit, memory limit, et cetera. Go root if you need more RAM -OR- learn how to use login.conf, make yourself a new class with less limits (edit xuser is my suggestion) and vipw to add yourself to that class (man 5 passwd, too). If that or su'ing root and trying it does not fix it, let me know. Brian Feldman FreeBSD feldman.dyn.ml.org 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Tue May 5 18:06:23 EDT 1998 green@feldman.dyn.ml.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/FELDMAN i386 5:47PM up 7 days, 18:04, 2 users, load averages: 0.24, 0.36, 0.32 > --==_Exmh_-1112120560P > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hi, > > I'm running 3.0-980426-SNAP with 32M of RAM and a 128M swap partition. > I've found that when a single process exhausts the available physical > memory the swap is not being used, resulting in an out of memory error > with almost half the swap space free. > > The specific circumstance is gcc compiling kfmgui.cpp since the process > then needs about 30M if not more of memory. > > Did something get broken in the latest snap release? > > Steve > > > > > > --==_Exmh_-1112120560P > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > > -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > > iQEVAwUBNVmx7wNowu66bCy5AQFVvgf+IdB+40IbulEPWaneqeKXBTfdKsmsgg8t > IBMWCHDhZts7obzZcby11QEC8sCiraIb7SGCBnYu/BZ7VgID0W19y1sAiyn3x2I/ > UntqCTTlR7Ix7SgbkhoRe+KX1ISqUUQcykXqVUYZgejgfxKlKIcRQuAviOLiTtnh > OsRO5BX3nTW+Txj8BZUuT1jSsdCg/XO/7twGOJPUaZiZVg6w9rV+6JmR3kmGJeqi > 63P8Z+bwBKSq43NUDdn5nPqz3+vQ5Tg5/PICua6VII7/BzinEk/IgFgRESb1KVnf > fPXs2HQATNnELbq+d04cnFZFgqnIjmzSuTFIozP/Yu5uapbI1Uc9mg== > =qvY6 > -----END PGP MESSAGE----- > > --==_Exmh_-1112120560P-- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 15:34:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03916 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03706; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25885; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:33:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id XAA04452; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:22:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:22:33 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Stephen Roome , Terry Lambert Cc: David Greenman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI Mail-Followup-To: Stephen Roome , Terry Lambert , David Greenman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser References: <199805111740.KAA03878@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Stephen Roome on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:56:49AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-12 11:56 +0100, Stephen Roome wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > % I find it unlikely that they are both on INT a. This may be a bug in > % the probe routines, or in your motherboard BIOS. It could also account > % for the start IRQ (say one was on 'INT b', but it wasn't seen). > > I think this is possibly probe related, although I can't be sure, but I've > just checked another six machines none of which use are probed as using > anything but int A. > > Which is really unlikely! Especially machines like this: > > chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 > I/O Recovery Timing: 8-bit 3 clocks, 16-bit 2 clocks > Extended BIOS: enabled > Lower BIOS: enabled > Coprocessor IRQ13: enabled > Mouse IRQ12: disabled > Interrupt Routing: A: disabled, B: IRQ11, C: IRQ10, D: IRQ9 > ^^^^^^^^^ Those A, B, C, D are chip-set pins, which are not directly related to PCI interrupt names! Terry sent a *very* nice line graphic, that shows how PCI wires interrupts between neighbour slots: % Generally, PCI traces are cascaded: % % S L O T % 1 2 3 4 5 % ,-. ,-. ,-. ,-. ,-. % a--| |-----. ,---| |-----. ,---| |-----. ,---| |------------| | % I | | '-/--. | | '-/--. | | '-/--. | | | | % b--| |---. / `-| |---. / `-| |---. / `-| |------------| | % N | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | | | % c--| |-. / `----| |-. / `----| |-. / `----| |------------| | % T | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | `-/-. | | | | % d--| |--' `------| |--' `------| |--' `------| |------------| | % `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' There is no way to know which of pin A, B, C, D is connected to PCI interrupt a, b, c, d at slot 1 in above drawing, and you don't know, whether int a of slot 1 is connected to int b of slot 2 (as drawn) or int a of slot 2 to int b of slot 1 (which would make the drawing look upside down). Both ways are permitted, as are many more, including individual pins for each interrupt pin of each slot (but that doesn't work well in a PC compatible for backwards compatibility reasons). The knowledge about the interrupt traces on your motherboard is coded into the PCI BIOS, which writes the IRQ numbers assigned to the chip-set pins into the devices' interrupt line registers (where the device driver finds it and sets up the handler ...). > MB0: IRQ15, MB1: > chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 > mapreg[20] type=1 addr=0000f000 size=0010. > Primary IDE: enabled > Secondary IDE: enabled > de0 rev 32 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > That looks wrong to me, shouldn't that de0 be on int b ? No. It just tells you, that chip-set pin B is wired to the PCI interrupt trace which is connected to PCI IntA on the connector that got a slot ID of 10 in config space. > I moved everything around as you suggest, but everything always comes up > as int A in the card probe, if what you say is true then it looks like > it's got to be the probe code, in more than one version. Yes, it's always interrupt pin a, since this is the way PCI interrupts are specified! A single function device (e.g. the DEC Ethernet chip) is not allowed to use any interrupt other than "a". If there is a PCI bridge on a PCI card, then each "slot" number behind the bridge got its interrupt pins connected to the interrupt pins on the primary side in a similar way as shown for the motherboard, above. Just that there is only one way to interconnect interrupt pins in that case, since the systems PCI BIOS couldn't possibly know about how the interrupt traces are connected to devices behind the bridge, else ... Regards, STefan PS: I don't know, what your original problem was (have not been able to read mail for several days and have a back log of more than 1000 messages ...). Let me know if you think there is something wrong with the PCI code. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 16:24:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13311 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13306 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08597; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd008577; Wed May 13 23:16:32 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Alexander Litvin cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 In-Reply-To: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I gather that means that make -j64 succeeded? On Wed, 13 May 1998, Alexander Litvin wrote: > I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test > new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 > buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. > After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, > so I needed to restart cron :-\ > > Alexander Litvin > > --- > It's lucky you're going so slowly, because you're going in the wrong > direction. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 16:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13332 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13324; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08467; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd008463; Wed May 13 23:13:41 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: julian@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP In-Reply-To: <11190.895092647@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I guess ufs should unset the async bit if softupdates is set.... julian On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Well, the machine is now building the world with soft updates enabled > again. Someone wrote to me directly and said "do you have your fs > also mounted async? This kills me every time!" I did indeed have > async turned on in my /etc/fstab and so I turned it off and things > have been going much more nicely on that box now! :) > > - Jordan > > > that should have done it... > > > > > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > BTW the last patch to ffs_softdep.c suposedly fixed that same panic > > > > for the UP case. are you sure you got it? > > > > (My guess is that both processors were in there, and that > > > > one made a new dependency while the other was clearing them out.. > > > > > > Is it up on your web page? I just grabbed what you had there last > > > night, not knowing any other source for same. > > > > > > - Jordan > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 16:53:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18709 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18049; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enigma003@aol.com) From: enigma003@aol.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA20586; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:47:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:47:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from a14.pm3-15.theriver.com(206.26.123.142) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020358; Wed May 13 18:46:45 1998 Subject: Turf Tek Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN charset=US-ASCII To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 5/13/984:44 PM Greetings Golf Enthusiast Welcome, This mailing is being sent to you since you have shown an intrest in Golfing. 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Thank you for your time, Paul Sanderson Turf-Tek paul-sanderson@email.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 19:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13694 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13659 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from alpine.iaccess (alpine.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.227]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24865 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:29:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <015301bd7ee0$89032260$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> From: "Andrew Specht" To: Subject: freebsd updates??? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:32:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i would just like to know if freebsd-current gets updated everyday and if it would be a good idea to CVSUP the latest kernel every couple of days or so? Or will it be announced whenever there is a change? Thanks :) Andrew Specht | System Administrator E-mail: andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia Internet: http://www.iaccess.com.au | Melbourne, Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 19:55:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17113 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17108 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:55:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13756; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd013743; Wed May 13 19:55:09 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04021; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:55:05 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805140255.TAA04021@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:55:05 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jbryant@unix.tfs.net, ben@stuyts.nl, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" at May 12, 98 09:22:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > > recompiled?!?!?! > > Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. Actually, it's a define in a header file, si it's "recompiled". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 19:57:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17719 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17710 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06872; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd006798; Wed May 13 19:56:52 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04038; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:56:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805140256.TAA04038@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: soft-update update To: toor@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:56:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805130039.TAA26399@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at May 12, 98 07:39:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Is this also SMP safe? or just UP :) > > > > I feel the need for speed, so ill test em if there ok to use on SMP. > > I run SMP almost exclusively, and have had absolutely no softupdates > panics since all of the fixes. Don't you have some uncommitted SMP locking code on your machine? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:02:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18673 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18655 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25697; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:02:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd025678; Wed May 13 20:02:17 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04302; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:02:08 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 To: archer@lucky.net (Alexander Litvin) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:02:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> from "Alexander Litvin" at May 13, 98 09:31:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test > new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 > buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. > After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, > so I needed to restart cron :-\ For readers who might have been alarmed by this: Note that this is not indicative of a problem in the soft updates code. This means that he was out of swap + RAM, and when cron went to get a page, it was denied, and could not continue to run. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21904 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21880; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from pilot by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65/AndrewR-930902) id AA07294; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:51:01 +0930 Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA13470; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:44:08 +0930 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:44:07 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@pilot To: Julian Elischer Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , julian@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > I guess ufs should unset the async bit if softupdates is set.... Aha! I was going to spend some more time tonight tracking down the cause of the panics I experienced after testing this last night. However, after reading this it's probably caused by mounting async. Was I just being blind and dense, or is this not actually documented anywhere obvious? Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:22:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22187 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22169 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA22813; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:24:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805140255.TAA04021@usr08.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 14, 98 02:55:05 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:24:38 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > > > recompiled?!?!?! > > > > Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. > > Actually, it's a define in a header file, si it's "recompiled". No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. Bruce pointed this out. Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:22:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22196 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:22:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22176 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA18116; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:22:04 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id FAA17661; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:22:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514052203.39505@follo.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 05:22:03 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Andrew Specht , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd updates??? References: <015301bd7ee0$89032260$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <015301bd7ee0$89032260$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess>; from Andrew Specht on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 12:32:26PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 12:32:26PM +1000, Andrew Specht wrote: > Hi, > > i would just like to know if freebsd-current gets updated everyday Yes. Actually, it usually get updated more than once an hour. > and if it would be a good idea to CVSUP the latest kernel every > couple of days or so? No. At least not unless you know what you're doing (and then you wouldn't have to ask the question ;-) Read this mailing-list and find out when it is good to upgrade. > Or will it be announced whenever there is a change? If you subscribe to the cvs-all mailing list, it will. There's usually between 50 and 100 messages a day. 'Important' changes are likely to be announced to FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG with a subject line containing 'Heads up!', 'Keep off!' or similar. These usually indicate something that can eat your system for breakfast if you don't know about it. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23473 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23467; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16124; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd016119; Thu May 14 03:30:44 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Kris Kennaway cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , julian@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crash with latest soft updates and SMP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG no it's not documented and yes it should be :-) (I will try add a patch to make it irrelevent) On Thu, 14 May 1998, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > I guess ufs should unset the async bit if softupdates is set.... > > Aha! I was going to spend some more time tonight tracking down the cause > of the panics I experienced after testing this last night. However, after > reading this it's probably caused by mounting async. > > Was I just being blind and dense, or is this not actually documented > anywhere obvious? > > Kris > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:34:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23882 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11839; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:31:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Andrew Specht cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd updates??? In-Reply-To: <015301bd7ee0$89032260$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Andrew Specht wrote: > Hi, > > i would just like to know if freebsd-current gets updated everyday and if it > would be a good idea to CVSUP the latest kernel every couple of days or so? Current means the actual archive data, and everytime that someone makes a commit to the archive, the data changes. I've never seen a whole day go by without a commit of some kind; sometimes every few minutes. You make a choice as to how much resources you want to put into recompiling, and watch the -commit messages for the really important ones, so you can update those especially. > > Or will it be announced whenever there is a change? In light of the above, well, this is kinda funny ... on the other hand, you could consider the commit mail as change announcements. Don't run current unless you're willing to stay up with the commit mail, because reading that is _critical_ to staying current. > > Thanks :) > > > Andrew Specht | System > Administrator > E-mail: andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia > Internet: http://www.iaccess.com.au | Melbourne, Australia > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:42:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24728 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24706 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16208; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd016201; Thu May 14 03:33:48 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:33:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Andrew Specht cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd updates??? In-Reply-To: <015301bd7ee0$89032260$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG freebsd -current get's updated about every half hour.. the CVSUP servers are updated every few hours by the feel of it.. (After I check something in I wait for it to show up in the cvsup and then test it again) (we cvsup the CVS tree so I can check out my changes :-) On Thu, 14 May 1998, Andrew Specht wrote: > Hi, > > i would just like to know if freebsd-current gets updated everyday and if it > would be a good idea to CVSUP the latest kernel every couple of days or so? > > Or will it be announced whenever there is a change? > > Thanks :) > > > Andrew Specht | System > Administrator > E-mail: andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia > Internet: http://www.iaccess.com.au | Melbourne, Australia > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:43:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25040 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25035 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA22878; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:45:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805140345.NAA22878@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: freebsd updates??? In-Reply-To: <19980514052203.39505@follo.net> from Eivind Eklund at "May 14, 98 05:22:03 am" To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:45:07 +1000 (EST) Cc: andrew@iaccess.com.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 12:32:26PM +1000, Andrew Specht wrote: > > Hi, > > > > i would just like to know if freebsd-current gets updated everyday > > Yes. Actually, it usually get updated more than once an hour. Since Andrew is here in Melbourne, he'll be cvsupping from cvsup.au.freebsd.org so the update intervals will be according to the cvsup setup that machine. I'd also comment that following current means not differentiating the kernel sources from the rest of the tree. Unlike Linux, they go together. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27517 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:59:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27487 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from alpine.iaccess (alpine.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.227]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01030; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:58:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <019501bd7eed$0acd0840$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> From: "Andrew Specht" To: "Julian Elischer" Cc: Subject: THANKS...Re: freebsd updates??? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:01:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for all the replies :) Andrew Specht | System Administrator E-mail: andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia Internet: http://www.iaccess.com.au | Melbourne, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Julian Elischer To: Andrew Specht Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 1:57 PM Subject: Re: freebsd updates??? >freebsd -current get's updated about every half hour.. >the CVSUP servers are updated every few hours by the feel of it.. >(After I check something in I wait for it to show up in the cvsup >and then test it again) >(we cvsup the CVS tree so I can check out my changes :-) > >On Thu, 14 May 1998, Andrew Specht wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i would just like to know if freebsd-current gets updated everyday and if it >> would be a good idea to CVSUP the latest kernel every couple of days or so? >> >> Or will it be announced whenever there is a change? >> >> Thanks :) >> >> >> Andrew Specht | System >> Administrator >> E-mail: andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia >> Internet: http://www.iaccess.com.au | Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 20:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27563 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27552 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA20687; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:58:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id WAA14716; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:58:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980513225848.22922@mcs.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:58:48 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Terry Lambert Cc: Alexander Litvin , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 References: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 03:02:08AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 03:02:08AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test > > new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 > > buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. > > After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, > > so I needed to restart cron :-\ > > For readers who might have been alarmed by this: > > Note that this is not indicative of a problem in the soft updates > code. This means that he was out of swap + RAM, and when cron > went to get a page, it was denied, and could not continue to run. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org Uh, no, Terry, there is a real problem. I can get programs to Sig11 within minutes on -CURRENT right now. Diablo in particular throws up in short order. A kernel from ~1 month back does not exhibit the problem. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 21:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00229 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00208 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06858; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805140307.UAA06858@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Birrell cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 13:24:38 +1000." <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:07:48 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > > > > recompiled?!?!?! > > > > > > Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. > > > > Actually, it's a define in a header file, si it's "recompiled". > > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > Bruce pointed this out. > > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? Unless Bruce has a functional alternative, I think that the change needs to stay. We are going to look pretty damn stupid if we can't demonstrate a competitive threading implementation in the near future. Sabotaging the development effort in this direction for the sake of some sort of mythical "consistency" is a poor idea indeed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 21:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02202 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aldan.ziplink.net (mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.29.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02195 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@rtfm.ziplink.net) Received: from rtfm.ziplink.net (rtfm [199.232.255.52]) by aldan.ziplink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA14948 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:30:44 GMT (envelope-from mi@rtfm.ziplink.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.ziplink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA05562 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199805140430.AAA05562@rtfm.ziplink.net> Subject: soft updates and async In-Reply-To: from "Julian Elischer" at "May 13, 98 08:30:41 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:30:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05513 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05504 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:57:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id XAA14634 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:57:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199805140457.XAA14634@home.dragondata.com> Subject: SMP related panic on reboot To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:57:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I booted a machine, realized I had forgotten something, and rebooted it instantly after it was done booting.. It panic'ed during the reboot. This is a kernel from ~Feb 25th. Any questions/ideas? boot() called on cpu#0 syncing disks... 3 3 3 1 done panic: lockmgr: pid 195, not exclusive lock holder 1 unlocking mp_lock = 00000001; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 00000000 Debugger("panic") Stopped at _Debugger+0x35: movb $0,_in_Debugger.94 db> ps pid proc addr uid ppid pgrp flag stat wmsg wchan cmd 195 f67b8600 f67c5000 0 1 195 004006 2 reboot (snip) db> trace _Debugger _panic _lockmgr _vop_stdunlock _ufs_vnoperate _vput _quotaoff _ffs_flush _ffs_unmount _dounmount _vfs_unmountall _boot _reboot _syscall _Xsyscall Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Feb 25 01:24:40 CST 1998 root@freeshell.dragondata.com:/userland/home/src/sys/compile/FREESHELL CPU: Pentium (586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x3bf real memory = 50331648 (49152K bytes) avail memory = 46288896 (45204K bytes) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 eisa0: Probing for devices on the EISA bus Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x11 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x03 on pci0.2.0 wdc0: rev 0x02 int a irq 14 on pci0.4.0 vga0: rev 0x54 int a irq 9 on pci0.13.0 de0: rev 0x22 int a irq 11 on pci0.14.0 de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de0: address 00:40:05:42:dd:31 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: CMD640B workaround enabled wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 4103MB (8404830 sectors), 8894 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 not found at 0x170 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface stray irq 7 Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 on pin 0 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. de0: enabling 10baseT port =============================================================================== MPTable, version 2.0.15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: EBDA physical address: 0x0009fc30 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.1 checksum: 0x5a mode: Virtual Wire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x0009fc44 signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 260 version: 1.1 checksum: 0x2c OEM ID: 'INTEL ' Product ID: '430 NX EISA ' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 24 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 0 extended table checksum: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 0 0x10 BSP, usable 5 2 5 0x03bf 1 0x10 AP, usable 5 2 5 0x03bf -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 ISA 1 EISA 2 PCI -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 2 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT active-hi edge 0 0 2 0 INT conforms conforms 0 1 2 1 INT conforms conforms 0 0 2 2 INT conforms conforms 0 3 2 3 INT conforms conforms 0 4 2 4 INT conforms conforms 0 5 2 5 INT conforms conforms 0 6 2 6 INT conforms conforms 0 7 2 7 INT conforms conforms 0 8 2 8 INT conforms conforms 0 9 2 9 INT conforms conforms 0 10 2 10 INT conforms conforms 0 11 2 11 INT conforms conforms 0 12 2 12 INT conforms conforms 0 13 2 13 INT conforms conforms 0 14 2 14 INT conforms conforms 0 15 2 15 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT active-hi edge 0 0 255 0 NMI active-hi edge 0 0 255 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # SMP kernel config file options: # Required: options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optional (built-in defaults will work in most cases): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=3 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs =============================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 21:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05977 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05972 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id EAA00847; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:58:16 GMT Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:58:16 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: John Birrell cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > Bruce pointed this out. > > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? Rre there any other pending changes that can bundled with the major number bump? We do need things to adjust for threads. Regards, Mike Hancock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 22:02:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06554 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06533 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA24604; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:04:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805140504.PAA24604@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: from Michael Hancock at "May 14, 98 01:58:16 pm" To: michaelh@cet.co.jp (Michael Hancock) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:04:18 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Hancock wrote: > Rre there any other pending changes that can bundled with the major number > bump? To the other libraries? I don't know. To libc, additional syscalls. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 22:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10265 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10202 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archer@grape.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: from unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.113]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.Who.Cares) with ESMTP id IAA19994 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:33:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.111]) by unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04077; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:33:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8/8.Who.Cares) with UUCP id IAA14143; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:30:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from archer@localhost) by grape.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14800; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:22:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from archer) Message-ID: <19980514082234.28896@carrier.kiev.ua> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:22:34 +0300 From: Alexander Litvin To: Julian Elischer Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 References: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Julian Elischer on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:16:08PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:16:08PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > I gather that means that make -j64 succeeded? Yes! ;) It's really good news. > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Alexander Litvin wrote: > > > I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test > > new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 > > buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. > > After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, > > so I needed to restart cron :-\ Alexander Litvin --- I can't understand it. I can't even understand the people who can understand it. -- Queen Juliana of the Netherlands. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 23:00:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13995 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13825; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA20033; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:59:56 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199805140559.HAA20033@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: From jhay at "May 13, 98 01:42:41 pm" To: jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (jhay) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:59:56 +0200 (SAT) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, dstenn@fanfic.org, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > > So far soft updates is very solid on my box !! > > > > > > I did a make world which very recently was causing a panic > > > and then I tried to kill soft-updates by untarring , removing a very > > > large tree (java) while doing a make world. > > > > What about SMP systems, last time I tried it took really good > > care of my files :( > > > > Well I have tried it on on my SMP dual PII 266MHz system again and for > the first time it went right through a make world with no problems! > Just to make sure I did it a second time and it also went right through, > where previously it would crash very early. I have only got /usr/obj > mounted though. Ok, after 3 successfull "make world"s yesterday with no problems, the machine crashed last night during a "make release". The messages on the console: -------- setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 dev = 0x40c, block = 5832, fs = /a panic: ffs_blkfree: freeing free block mp_lock = 00000001; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000 Debugger("panic") Stopped at _Debugger+0x35: movb $0,_in_Debugger.96 -------- where in gdb show the folling: -------- (kgdb) where #0 0xf011a7f3 in boot () #1 0xf011ab42 in panic () #2 0xf0101585 in db_panic () #3 0xf0101465 in db_command () #4 0xf01015f2 in db_command_loop () #5 0xf0103cb3 in db_trap () #6 0xf01da164 in kdb_trap () #7 0xf01eae90 in trap () #8 0xf01da3c9 in Debugger () #9 0xf011ab39 in panic () #10 0xf01b1a07 in ffs_blkfree () #11 0xf01b6bbc in indir_trunc () #12 0xf01b68a0 in handle_workitem_freeblocks () #13 0xf01b4a3c in softdep_process_worklist () #14 0xf01391ea in sched_sync () #15 0xf010db26 in kproc_start () #16 0xf01dabd9 in fork_trampoline () #17 0x1000c3 in ?? () Cannot access memory at address 0x8114c483. (kgdb) -------- If it is of any help. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 23:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14394 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14373 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00575; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:01:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805140601.BAA00575@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: soft-update update In-Reply-To: <199805140256.TAA04038@usr08.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 14, 98 02:56:48 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:01:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert said: > > > Is this also SMP safe? or just UP :) > > > > > > I feel the need for speed, so ill test em if there ok to use on SMP. > > > > I run SMP almost exclusively, and have had absolutely no softupdates > > panics since all of the fixes. > > Don't you have some uncommitted SMP locking code on your machine? > Just object locking, but should not have any impact. (Note that we still have a giant lock kernel.) -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 23:04:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15134 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15126 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00594; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:03:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805140603.BAA00594@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: from Michael Hancock at "May 14, 98 01:58:16 pm" To: michaelh@cet.co.jp (Michael Hancock) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:03:14 -0500 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Hancock said: > On Thu, 14 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > > > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > > Bruce pointed this out. > > > > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. > > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? > > Rre there any other pending changes that can bundled with the major number > bump? > > We do need things to adjust for threads. > I think that we should use the new errno stuff, but should be done more seamlessly. If we don't do it now, we'll have troubles sometime in the future. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 13 23:11:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15929 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15920 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archer@grape.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: from unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.113]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.Who.Cares) with ESMTP id JAA21983 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:10:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.111]) by unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA05087; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:10:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8/8.Who.Cares) with UUCP id JAA20442; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:01:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from archer@localhost) by grape.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15091; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:47:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from archer) Message-ID: <19980514084714.18350@carrier.kiev.ua> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:47:14 +0300 From: Alexander Litvin To: Terry Lambert Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 References: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 03:02:08AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 03:02:08AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test > > new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 > > buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. > > After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, > > so I needed to restart cron :-\ > > For readers who might have been alarmed by this: > > Note that this is not indicative of a problem in the soft updates > code. This means that he was out of swap + RAM, and when cron > went to get a page, it was denied, and could not continue to run. Well, I'm not blaming softupdates in this case. But still, problem exists. May be I was not clear: cron _didn't_ exit with SIGSEGV, it continued to run. But it was unable to fork to run cron jobs. I noticed that after some 10 hours (I'm on dialup, and I just saw no attempts of my machine to dial to get mail). Note: 'make buildworld' had already been finished for some 4 hours, but cron still was in that strange state: running, but all attempts to fork to run some jobs failed: May 13 08:50:00 grape /kernel: pid 22955 (cron), uid 0: exited on signal 11 May 13 08:55:00 grape /kernel: pid 22969 (cron), uid 0: exited on signal 11 May 13 08:55:00 grape /kernel: pid 22970 (cron), uid 0: exited on signal 11 The same was with sendmail (in fact because of this my original letter, which I had written in the morning, remained in queue till evening). I can imagine what happenes. And I'm not absolutely shure that it is an error, just would like to hear some authoritative opinion ;) > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Alexander Litvin --- Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 00:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23821 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23805 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20229; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd020227; Thu May 14 07:07:02 1998 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Mikhail Teterin cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft updates and async In-Reply-To: <199805140430.AAA05562@rtfm.ziplink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG you may run a filesystem in async if you turn off soft updates soft updates is faster however in many real-world applications as async still queues SOME operations, and soft updates can detect when an unlink makes a write to disk that was scheduled un-needed, where async will still go through with it.. (think of temporary work files) personally I'd just run with softupdates.. certainly it is faster for /tmp to do so. try some comparisons. I'd be interested to see the results. julian On Thu, 14 May 1998, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Ok, it turns out you need the filesystem mount sync to use softupdates. > > My understanding was: softupdates are faster then sync and safer > then sync. Is not async still faster, even at the expense of safety? > > Will I be able to combine async and softupdates in the future and why > would I want to? > > Thanks a lot! > > -mi > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 00:11:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23838 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (root@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23820 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01602; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:01:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd026823; Wed May 13 23:36:54 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22124; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:36:52 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805140636.XAA22124@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: dlopen again To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:36:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at May 14, 98 01:24:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What are the current obstacles to having a dlopen that works in statically linked code? Specifically, it seems very useful within the context of the NIS+, the LDAP, PAM, and the new resolver libraries, to be able to configure .so's, either by name or by mere existance in a subdirectory of libexec, as pluggable service providers in a library. I've been thinking about this for generic versions of the inet(3) functions, as well, with an eye towards ISO and AX.25 support as drop-in modules. It seems to me (and always has) that the hole at the front of an ELF binary, but after page zero, was intended to have ld.so mapped into it by the kernel (and *not* map ld.so in crt0.o). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 00:16:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24713 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (root@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24706 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16913; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:00:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd010650; Wed May 13 23:51:38 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22759; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:51:36 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805140651.XAA22759@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:51:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at May 14, 98 01:24:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Actually, it's a define in a header file, si it's "recompiled". > > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > Bruce pointed this out. I don't understand this. How will this turn "int errno" references into "(* __error())" function return value pointer dereferences? > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? I would be very, very tempted to use this as an excuse to move to ELF at this point, making the change in the ELF version of the library. Barring that, I'd be tempted to say "bump the minor numbers to force a recompile AND stub the reference", but that's just a cop-out for not making the library dependencies explicit. One very annoying thing here is that ld is *still* broken, and a second order dependency of a library on a library isn't flagged atcompile time. When linking, ld should act like RTLD_NOW was specified, at least for the graph of symbols used (program calls foo in lib1 calls fee in lib2 requires fee in lib2 exist for program to link). Other than that... well, -current is -current, and you should have to expect the interfaces to change, and live with it. It seems to me that the libc version number bump that happened earlier should not have happened until the tree was locked down prepatory to the tagging of a 3.0 release, and then everything is bumped at once. I think library version number bumping is supposed to be limited to changes in the interface *exported* by a library, not those *imported* by a library. As another plea for ELF, I'll note that it's possible to implement sections, and choose sections based on the minor version number expected by the client's library version selection. PS: Sun has started using version numbers on ld.so's as well as libraries; you could do a similar fixup using a.out .so's if FreeBSD followed suit. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 00:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25473 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:21:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25466; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20327; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd020325; Thu May 14 07:12:08 1998 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "John S. Dyson" cc: Michael Hancock , jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805140603.BAA00594@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't understand why the old errno can't continue to exist and be updated by all syscalls. (just for compatibility for now) On Thu, 14 May 1998, John S. Dyson wrote: > Michael Hancock said: > > On Thu, 14 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > > > > > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > > > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > > > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > > > Bruce pointed this out. > > > > > > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. > > > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > > > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > > > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? > > > > Rre there any other pending changes that can bundled with the major number > > bump? > > > > We do need things to adjust for threads. > > > I think that we should use the new errno stuff, but should be done > more seamlessly. If we don't do it now, we'll have troubles sometime > in the future. > > -- > John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, > dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, > jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 00:40:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28122 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28020 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA25017; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:42:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805140742.RAA25017@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: dlopen again In-Reply-To: <199805140636.XAA22124@usr05.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 14, 98 06:36:52 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:42:30 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > What are the current obstacles to having a dlopen that works in > statically linked code? [I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer this. Didn't you mean jdp? He's the ELF and shared loader guru. 8-)] I've got a control system process for manufacturing (that executes PLC code) which does this, albeit not structured in the general way I think you are referring to. The application is threaded and it is linked with some shared libraries and the rest are statically linked. The application has a compiler thread that parses the source and assembles it to machine code, mmaps memory as executable and calls the function as a thread. In the process of assembling the code it resolves dynamic references to functions already linked in and to other functions already compiled and mapped as executable (i.e. shared between threads). It doesn't matter whether these are in static libraries or shared ones since this application is custom and it pre-compiles in a global array of addresses that the run-time compiler thread uses so that it doesn't need to know anything about the binary format. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 00:48:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29324 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29204 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA25054; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:50:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805140750.RAA25054@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "May 14, 98 00:12:04 am" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:50:18 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer wrote: > I don't understand why the old errno can't continue to exist and be > updated by all syscalls. > (just for compatibility for now) It *does* continue to exist. For backward compatibility it is used by the initial thread. This allows you to link against old libraries that have 'extern int errno'. These old libraries will never be thread aware. For new compiles, though, the old errno variable is hidden. If thread A calls stat() on a file that doesn't exist and thread B calls remove on a file that it doesn't have permission to delete and these happen at much the same time, they have to use difference errno variables. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 01:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01294 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01275 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA25102; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:03:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805140803.SAA25102@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805140651.XAA22759@usr05.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 14, 98 06:51:36 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:03:16 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > I don't understand this. > > How will this turn "int errno" references into "(* __error())" function > return value pointer dereferences? It never will. That is just legacy code - not the problem. The problem reported by Bruce is this: program (less) links against libtermcap.so (major version X) and libc.so (major version Y). Some development takes place which causes the major version of libc to be bumped to Y + 1. The program still looks for libc version Y. Then the __error() change is added to libc version Y + 1 and the header file that matches it. A rebuild of the system causes libtermcap still at version X to *need* the new __error() definition. So to ensure that the program is not broken, the version of libtermcap needs to be bumped to X + 1. This is a simple example. Now consider all the possible shared libraries that use errno.h and exist on any FreeBSD system anywhere. There are lots. Do I hunt them all down and bump their major version numbers? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 01:26:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06170 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06164 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id IAA02122; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:25:16 GMT Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:25:15 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Mikhail Teterin cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft updates and async In-Reply-To: <199805140430.AAA05562@rtfm.ziplink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Ok, it turns out you need the filesystem mount sync to use softupdates. > > My understanding was: softupdates are faster then sync and safer > then sync. Is not async still faster, even at the expense of safety? Softupdates are sometimes faster and sometimes slower. It's faster when the combination of operations allows you to skip writing to disk at all. It's slower when you have to undo-then-write and redo-then-write. But I don't think it is really ever significantly slower than async writes. Softupdates does use more memory so this would probably be the only reason to use async. > Will I be able to combine async and softupdates in the future and why > would I want to? No, they are mutually exclusive. If you do a write it is either sync (default), async, or delayed (softupdates). You'd have no reason to combine them unless you want to get undefined behavior. Regards, Mike Hancock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 01:31:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07312 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07305; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id IAA02157; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:30:57 GMT Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:30:57 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Julian Elischer cc: "John S. Dyson" , jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > I don't understand why the old errno can't continue to exist and be > updated by all syscalls. > (just for compatibility for now) In a threaded environment you need a per-thread errno for compatibility. There's no point in keeping 2 errnos around especially if one is going to be shadowed by the other anyway. In the single threaded app case, main will have a single thread associated with it and an errno specific to that thread. Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 02:31:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17916 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (mothra.kralizec.net.au [203.15.68.22] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17910; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA10220; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:21:18 +1000 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:21:18 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805140921.TAA10220@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@whistle.com Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, jb@cimlogic.com.au, michaelh@cet.co.jp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I don't understand why the old errno can't continue to exist and be >updated by all syscalls. >(just for compatibility for now) It does, but libtermcap doesn't use it (after libtermcap is built with the new errno.h). Dusty decks that use `extern int errno;' and don't include continue to work. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 02:39:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19174 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:39:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19168 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03775; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: John Birrell cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 13:24:38 +1000." <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:38:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3771.895138724@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? Forward progress, especially in -current, has bumps. The shared libraries for 2.2.x will be provided as part of a "compat22" distribution for those who wish to support older shared executables so I'd say you should simply make sure that this works by bumping the numbers of any libs which are directly affected. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 02:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21365 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21337 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03852; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mikhail Teterin cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft updates and async In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 00:30:42 EDT." <199805140430.AAA05562@rtfm.ziplink.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:49:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3848.895139380@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My understanding was: softupdates are faster then sync and safer > then sync. Is not async still faster, even at the expense of safety? No. My understanding is that the two features represent totally different metadata update policies and are, as such, mutually exclusive. There would never be any reason to combine them, nor would it make any sense. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 03:14:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25323 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25318 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:14:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00344; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805141009.GAA00344@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "May 14, 98 01:24:38 pm" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > > > > recompiled?!?!?! > > > > > > Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. > > > > Actually, it's a define in a header file, si it's "recompiled". > > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > Bruce pointed this out. The choices are bump all major numbers when compiling against the new header (the correct but inconvenient solution since the change is semi-hidden) or some hack in ld.so, e.g., ld.so looks for lib__error.so.1.0 for undefined symbols with two leading underscores. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 03:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26613 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26602; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by mail.visint.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16444; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:22:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:22:02 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Stefan Esser cc: Terry Lambert , David Greenman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress PRO/100+ PCI In-Reply-To: <19980513232233.49213@mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 May 1998, Stefan Esser wrote: > > Mouse IRQ12: disabled > > Interrupt Routing: A: disabled, B: IRQ11, C: IRQ10, D: IRQ9 > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > Those A, B, C, D are chip-set pins, which are not directly > related to PCI interrupt names! I've got this straight in my head now, it's an unfortunate naming system and it's really unhelpful for newbies. (I know that's not a FreeBSD problem!) > > de0 rev 32 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > That looks wrong to me, shouldn't that de0 be on int b ? > > No. It just tells you, that chip-set pin B is wired to the PCI > interrupt trace which is connected to PCI IntA on the connector > that got a slot ID of 10 in config space. I follow this now, or at least I think so.. Will the first interrupt assigned to a PCI device always be int a (according to the card) and the second int b. If so then it's not really very helpful, in fact it's just confusing, to display it in the probe (did someone else mention this already, I'm probably running a bit behind on brainpower!?) > A single function device (e.g. the DEC Ethernet chip) is not > allowed to use any interrupt other than "a". I don't fully understand the distinction of "single function device", does a midi/FM sound card count as multi-function ? How about Anyway, I've changed my pciconf so it gives me verbose listing and tells me whats going on without me having to refer/remember sys/pcireg.h. I might try and obtain the PCI specs, as it's looking worth reading. Many thanks to you and all others who've helped explain all this. Steve Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 03:23:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26696 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d183-205.uoregon.edu (d183-205.uoregon.edu [128.223.183.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26682 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d183-205.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA06856; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980514032226.30338@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:22:26 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: John Birrell Cc: Terry Lambert , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" References: <199805140255.TAA04021@usr08.primenet.com> <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199805140324.NAA22813@cimlogic.com.au>; from John Birrell on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 01:24:38PM +1000 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell scribbled this message on May 14: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > > > > recompiled?!?!?! > > > > > > Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. > > > > Actually, it's a define in a header file, si it's "recompiled". > > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > Bruce pointed this out. > > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. I want the change backed ASAP!! I can't do buildworlds with this change... I was about to make modifications so that we can have a LD_LIBRARY_PATH additiont so we can make a dir like: /usr/lib/buildworldrequiredlibsbecauseofchanges that will contain local system friendly libs along with libs that will let buildworld run to completiong... this will allow people to HAVE to buildworld on a 2.2.1-R box to be able to... (either that or let my 486dx2/66 machine buildworld, but I don't want to think about how long THAT takes)... > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? you should make the build process past version friendly... even if someone had a prev -current to lib changes... they couldn't do a buildworld without first building libc and installing, then starting the buildworld process all over again... of course, this is more of a problem of using the freebsd header files to build the tools to buildworld... libs and headers are a matched set... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 03:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01394 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:59:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01375 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id OAA01128; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:40:09 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA02371; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:40:08 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199805141040.OAA02371@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: John Birrell cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 18:03:16 +1000." <199805140803.SAA25102@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:40:08 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > > Then the __error() change is added to libc version Y + 1 and the header > file that matches it. A rebuild of the system causes libtermcap still > at version X to *need* the new __error() definition. So to ensure that > the program is not broken, the version of libtermcap needs to be bumped > to X + 1. This is a simple example. > > Now consider all the possible shared libraries that use errno.h and > exist on any FreeBSD system anywhere. There are lots. Do I hunt them > all down and bump their major version numbers? > Alternative solution --- add __error() to libc version X (that is, libc.so.2.2) :-|. A few hundreds of megabytes in a chrooted environment (with FreeBSD 2.1-stable), and everything OK. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 04:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03706 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03587 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:07:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id TAA16215; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:06:46 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805141106.TAA16215@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Michael Hancock cc: Mikhail Teterin , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft updates and async In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 17:25:15 +0900." Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:06:45 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Hancock wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 1998, Mikhail Teterin wrote: [..] > > Will I be able to combine async and softupdates in the future and why > > would I want to? > > No, they are mutually exclusive. If you do a write it is either sync > (default), async, or delayed (softupdates). You'd have no reason to > combine them unless you want to get undefined behavior. In this case, undefined == panic.. The softupdate code gets *very* upset when certain sync writes are not performed when expected. The -o async code interferes with those. At least, that's the way it was a few months ago when I forgot to remove an async mount option from my fstab after enabling softupdates in single user. > Regards, > > Mike Hancock Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 04:19:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06016 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06004 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03883; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:18:57 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA18972; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:18:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514131856.48680@follo.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:18:56 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Terry Lambert , Alexander Litvin Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 References: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 03:02:08AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 03:02:08AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test > > new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 > > buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. > > After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, > > so I needed to restart cron :-\ > > For readers who might have been alarmed by this: > > Note that this is not indicative of a problem in the soft updates > code. This means that he was out of swap + RAM, and when cron > went to get a page, it was denied, and could not continue to run. The part about the it not having to do with soft updates is correct. The rest is slightly misleading - there is a problem in the VM code (has been there for a few weeks) which is triggered when you run out of memory and swap. After you've been out of memory, the new forks of daemons die with SIGSEGV (seemingly right after the fork - at least before they get anything done). This is not just while you're out of memory - it behaviour continues until you restart the daemons. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 04:20:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06460 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06452 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id TAA16336; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:19:02 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805141119.TAA16336@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dlopen again In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 06:36:52 GMT." <199805140636.XAA22124@usr05.primenet.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:19:02 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > What are the current obstacles to having a dlopen that works in > statically linked code? libc.so.*.* Specifically, if you have a static binary that doesn't make a call to (say) socket(), then socket() isn't linked into the image. If you then call dlopen() and call something in there that wants to call socket(), you then have an undefined symbol. Linking the dlopened module with libc.so.* explicitly also fails since you have two different malloc() pools. All the libc.so routines are internally linked directly to the internal malloc, while the calling program has it's own version. Passing a malloc pointer obtained from (say) strdup() within libc to the static version of free() == death. However, the elf ld.so has got full weak symbol support so this can be avoided. Basically you can have libc.so provide malloc() if it's missing, and the internal calls to malloc within libc are attached to the weak symbol which will resolve to the malloc in the static binary if it's present. This completely resolves the problem and would allow a static binary to dlopen() something that dynamically depends on libc.so.x. > Specifically, it seems very useful within the context of the NIS+, > the LDAP, PAM, and the new resolver libraries, to be able to > configure .so's, either by name or by mere existance in a subdirectory > of libexec, as pluggable service providers in a library. > > I've been thinking about this for generic versions of the inet(3) > functions, as well, with an eye towards ISO and AX.25 support as > drop-in modules. The system is crying out for this sort of thing in certain areas. However, one has to be careful to not go too far overboard. Forcing all getpwnam() calls to go via a dlopen() would not be a wise move, however there is nothing wrong with having an extensible (and overrideable) table in libc. You could compile libc with file (and dns) support, and allow YP/ NIS/NIS+/HESIOD/etc support to be loaded via dlopen(). Or choose to statically compile the lot if that pleases you. Linker sets can help here in a.out format, and the elf sections would help orgnaize this under elf. > It seems to me (and always has) that the hole at the front of an ELF > binary, but after page zero, was intended to have ld.so mapped into > it by the kernel (and *not* map ld.so in crt0.o). The kernel does map the ld.so for us under elf. The elf crt0.o does very little compared to the complex a.out crt0.o. > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 04:33:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08711 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA08666 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04630; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:33:07 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA19030; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:33:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514133307.13503@follo.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:33:07 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Alexander Litvin Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 References: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com> <19980514084714.18350@carrier.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980514084714.18350@carrier.kiev.ua>; from Alexander Litvin on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 08:47:14AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 08:47:14AM +0300, Alexander Litvin wrote: > I can imagine what happenes. And I'm not absolutely shure that it is an > error, just would like to hear some authoritative opinion ;) It is an error (and Dyson has agreed to that previously, so you can look at this as authorative.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 05:41:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20326 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20309 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-6-16.camtech.net.au [203.28.0.208]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA07501; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:00:41 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <355AE420.B9435729@camtech.net.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:01:28 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Lea CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way References: <199805122359.SAA09387@dyson.iquest.net> <355983A9.876C9338@camtech.net.au> <19980513182333.A341@shale.csir.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Way over my head... Are you building from the port ? i.e. do you have all the patches included with the port ? Does it work without SecureRPC ? Jeremy Lea wrote: > > Hi... > > On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 08:57:37PM +0930, Matthew Thyer wrote: > > I have just rebuilt the world and kernel at CTM src-cur.3366 > > (seems to be dated: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:00:56 -0700) > > > > and my XFree86 3.3.2 seems to be working fine. > > > > I run it from xdm out of /etc/ttys > > > > It wasn't that long ago that I rebuilt X anyway to upgrade to 3.3.2 > > so I'd suggest a re-build if you've got the disk space. > > I've been having this same problem... Just did some rebuilding, since I > still had the XFree86-3.3.2 sources extracted. With a kernel and world built > last night (12 May 22:00 GMT), and with xdm built with XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1, > X will loop. Without this option it behaves as normal. xdm includes > SecureRPC, but not Kerberos. > > An extract from 'xdm -debug 1': [snip] > If you want I can send dmesg (vanilla UP system, S3 Trio64, DEVFS, SLICE, > softupdates) and the full xdm debug output... > > Hope this helps... > -Jeremy > > -- > | ----------------------------------------------------- > --+-- "What a crazy world we live in, > | we save the whales yet support abortion" - MIC > | ----------------------------------------------------- -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol. 246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 05:44:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21042 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20940 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-6-16.camtech.net.au [203.28.0.208]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA11140; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:07:06 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <355AE5A1.962D4D89@camtech.net.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:07:53 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Lea CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way References: <199805122359.SAA09387@dyson.iquest.net> <355983A9.876C9338@camtech.net.au> <19980513182333.A341@shale.csir.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I thought DEVFS & SLICE weren't stable yet and shouldn't be used. Have you tried without them ? Jeremy Lea wrote: > > Hi... > > On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 08:57:37PM +0930, Matthew Thyer wrote: > > I have just rebuilt the world and kernel at CTM src-cur.3366 > > (seems to be dated: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:00:56 -0700) > > > > and my XFree86 3.3.2 seems to be working fine. > > > > I run it from xdm out of /etc/ttys > > > > It wasn't that long ago that I rebuilt X anyway to upgrade to 3.3.2 > > so I'd suggest a re-build if you've got the disk space. > > I've been having this same problem... Just did some rebuilding, since I > still had the XFree86-3.3.2 sources extracted. With a kernel and world built > last night (12 May 22:00 GMT), and with xdm built with XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1, > X will loop. Without this option it behaves as normal. xdm includes > SecureRPC, but not Kerberos. > [snip] > > If you want I can send dmesg (vanilla UP system, S3 Trio64, DEVFS, SLICE, > softupdates) and the full xdm debug output... > > Hope this helps... > -Jeremy > > -- > | ----------------------------------------------------- > --+-- "What a crazy world we live in, > | we save the whales yet support abortion" - MIC > | ----------------------------------------------------- -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 05:52:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22173 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22166 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-6-16.camtech.net.au [203.28.0.208]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA16293; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:17:37 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <355AE819.5F715139@camtech.net.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:18:25 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Litvin CC: Terry Lambert , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: daemons exiting on signal 11 References: <19980513093110.21002@carrier.kiev.ua> <199805140302.UAA04302@usr08.primenet.com> <19980514084714.18350@carrier.kiev.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Netscape® Communicator 4.05 (export version from the port Fortified to US encryption) crashed with a sig 10 on me the first time I ran it after a full rebuild at ctm-src-cur.3366 (which includes all the VM fixes). I also am running the latest softupdates on my 3GB /usr (the only fs other than /). Since then its been solid as a rock and even exits quickly every time. I haven't seen it hanging around forever using up all the CPU time like it used to do a lot of the time when you quit from it. I still have the core, what debuging info do you want ? Alexander Litvin wrote: > > On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 03:02:08AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > I thought the problem has gone. But yesterday trying to test > > > new softupdates patches, I loaded my machine with 'make -j64 > > > buildworld', and at some point cron started to exit with SIGSEGV. > > > After makeworld finished problem with cron didn't disappear, > > > so I needed to restart cron :-\ > > > > For readers who might have been alarmed by this: > > > > Note that this is not indicative of a problem in the soft updates > > code. This means that he was out of swap + RAM, and when cron > > went to get a page, it was denied, and could not continue to run. > > Well, I'm not blaming softupdates in this case. But still, problem > exists. > > May be I was not clear: cron _didn't_ exit with SIGSEGV, it continued > to run. But it was unable to fork to run cron jobs. I noticed that > after some 10 hours (I'm on dialup, and I just saw no attempts of > my machine to dial to get mail). > > Note: 'make buildworld' had already been finished for some 4 hours, > but cron still was in that strange state: running, but all attempts > to fork to run some jobs failed: > > May 13 08:50:00 grape /kernel: pid 22955 (cron), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > May 13 08:55:00 grape /kernel: pid 22969 (cron), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > May 13 08:55:00 grape /kernel: pid 22970 (cron), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > > The same was with sendmail (in fact because of this my original letter, > which I had written in the morning, remained in queue till evening). > > I can imagine what happenes. And I'm not absolutely shure that it is an > error, just would like to hear some authoritative opinion ;) > > > > > > > Terry Lambert > > terry@lambert.org > > --- > > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > > or previous employers. > > Alexander Litvin > > --- > Shaw's Principle: > Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will > want to use it. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 05:59:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22836 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22827 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06097; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:57:50 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Message-ID: <19980514145750.A5933@shale.csir.co.za> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:57:50 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: Matthew Thyer Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way References: <199805122359.SAA09387@dyson.iquest.net> <355983A9.876C9338@camtech.net.au> <19980513182333.A341@shale.csir.co.za> <355AE420.B9435729@camtech.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <355AE420.B9435729@camtech.net.au>; from Matthew Thyer on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 10:01:28PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi... On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 10:01:28PM +0930, Matthew Thyer wrote: > Way over my head... > > Are you building from the port ? > i.e. do you have all the patches included with the port ? Yes. > Does it work without SecureRPC ? Let's try a table: SecureRPC XDM-AUTH Kerberos Works? No No No Yes Yes No No Yes No Yes No No Yes Yes No No (I'm not using Kerberos, although it's in libc, etc. Previously, when I first compiled XFree86-3.3.2 with it, I got 15 second delays login in... which I didn't like much - sometimes you can have too many bells) The XDM-AUTH stuff (in .../xc/programs/xdm/xdmauth.c) seems to be the problem. What the problem is, then I'm clueless... -Jeremy -- | "I could be anything I wanted to, but one things true --+-- Never gonna be as big as Jesus, never gonna hold the world in my hand | Never gonna be as big as Jesus, never gonna build a promised land | But that's, that's alright, OK with me..." -Audio Adreniline To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 06:56:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02726 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02712 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-6-16.camtech.net.au [203.28.0.208]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id XAA24523; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:19:30 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <355AF699.39D682F@camtech.net.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:20:17 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Lea CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current kernel + X11 = no way References: <199805122359.SAA09387@dyson.iquest.net> <355983A9.876C9338@camtech.net.au> <19980513182333.A341@shale.csir.co.za> <355AE420.B9435729@camtech.net.au> <19980514145750.A5933@shale.csir.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well maybe some of the recent patches are a problem then.. I haven't built my XFree86 since Mar 31 23:59 +10:30 so there are several patches not in my X... -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 07:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09771 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from moran.grauel.com (moran.grauel.com [199.233.104.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09751 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjk@moran.grauel.com) Received: (from rjk@localhost) by moran.grauel.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA00614; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:39:25 -0500 (EST) From: Richard J Kuhns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13659.541.63828.569100@moran.grauel.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:39:25 -0500 (EST) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: machine locks up under X with brand-new kernel X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just finished rebuilding a kernel cvsuped about 20 minutes ago, which made it about 9:15 EST. When I start X, the machine locks up completely just after the gray screen and mouse pointer appear. This machine is not on a network (other than dialup) so I can't ping it, but none of the lights on the keyboard work. Config info follows: Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #13: Sun May 10 18:52:09 EST 1998 rjk@moran.grauel.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MORAN Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 3345 ns Timecounter "TSC" frequency 199432642 Hz cost 275 ns CPU: Pentium Pro (199.43-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 Features=0xfbff real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62947328 (61472K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: Correcting Natoma config for non-SMP chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 vga0: rev 0x02 int a irq 11 on pci0.19.0 ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.20.0 ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus0 at ahc0 bus 0 ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device sd0 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access 2047MB (4194058 512 byte sectors) ahc0: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device sd1 at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 sd1: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1: Direct-Access 2047MB (4194058 512 byte sectors) ahc0: target 3 Tagged Queuing Device sd2 at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 sd2: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2: Direct-Access 4136MB (8471232 512 byte sectors) ahc0:A:6: refuses synchronous negotiation. Using asynchronous transfers st0 at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 st0: type 1 removable SCSI 1 st0: Sequential-Access density code 0x0, drive empty Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis wcd0: 4134Kb/sec, 256Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. -- Richard Kuhns rjk@grauel.com PO Box 6249 Tel: (765)477-6000 \ 100 Sawmill Road x319 Lafayette, IN 47903 (800)489-4891 / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 09:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27202 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pat.idi.ntnu.no (0@pat.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.103.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27164 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no) Received: from idi.ntnu.no (tegge@presis.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.111.173]) by pat.idi.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21189; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:15:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805141615.SAA21189@pat.idi.ntnu.no> To: toasty@home.dragondata.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP related panic on reboot In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 23:57:28 -0500 (CDT)" References: <199805140457.XAA14634@home.dragondata.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:15:46 +0200 From: Tor Egge Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I booted a machine, realized I had forgotten something, and rebooted it > instantly after it was done booting.. It panic'ed during the reboot. This is > a kernel from ~Feb 25th. > > Any questions/ideas? > > > boot() called on cpu#0 > > syncing disks... 3 3 3 1 done > panic: lockmgr: pid 195, not exclusive lock holder 1 unlocking The following patch might help. Index: vfs_subr.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/vfs_subr.c,v retrieving revision 1.152 diff -u -r1.152 vfs_subr.c --- vfs_subr.c 1998/04/19 23:32:03 1.152 +++ vfs_subr.c 1998/04/24 23:42:45 @@ -2149,9 +2159,13 @@ vfs_unmountall() { struct mount *mp, *nmp; - struct proc *p = initproc; /* XXX XXX should this be proc0? */ + struct proc *p; int error; + if (curproc) + p = curproc; + else + p = initproc; /* XXX XXX should this be proc0? */ /* * Since this only runs when rebooting, it is not interlocked. */ - Tor Egge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 09:26:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29596 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29492 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21297 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805141626.JAA21297@austin.polstra.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805141009.GAA00344@hda.hda.com> References: <199805141009.GAA00344@hda.hda.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:26:07 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199805141009.GAA00344@hda.hda.com>, Peter Dufault wrote: > The choices are bump all major numbers when compiling against the > new header (the correct but inconvenient solution since the change > is semi-hidden) or some hack in ld.so, e.g., ld.so looks for > lib__error.so.1.0 for undefined symbols with two leading underscores. Ick! Hacks like that are practically impossible to get rid of again, ever. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 10:25:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08509 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk ([212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08486 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00277; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:25:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805141725.TAA00277@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: machine locks up under X with brand-new kernel In-Reply-To: <13659.541.63828.569100@moran.grauel.com> from Richard J Kuhns at "May 14, 98 09:39:25 am" To: rjk@grauel.com (Richard J Kuhns) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:25:10 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Richard J Kuhns who wrote: > I just finished rebuilding a kernel cvsuped about 20 minutes ago, which > made it about 9:15 EST. > > When I start X, the machine locks up completely just after the gray screen > and mouse pointer appear. This machine is not on a network (other than > dialup) so I can't ping it, but none of the lights on the keyboard work. Same here, the machine is totally hung up, no network no nothing... I'll try it out on a serial console, see what it tells us... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 11:10:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15139 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14605; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA00965; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:23:03 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805141623.SAA00965@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Bandwidth limiter available To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:23:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok guys, i have added all features i wanted to the dummynet package (a bandwidth limiter and testing tool), and now it should be safe to use. What i need is people testing it other than me... so why don't you fetch a copy and try it ? Description and diffs for 2.2.6 are at http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ and hopefully the port to other versions should be straightforward. Because it is configured with "ipfw", its use should be simple. E.g. consider a web server with multiple aliases, you can allocate bandwidth in the following way: # first virtual server... ipfw pipe 1 config bw 256Kbit/s ipfw add pipe 1 ip from my-alias-1 port 80 to any # second virtual server... ipfw pipe 2 config bw 128Kbit/s ipfw add pipe 2 ip from my-alias-2 port 80 to any # third virtual server... ipfw pipe 3 config bw 64Kbit/s ipfw add pipe 3 ip from my-alias-3 port 80 to any # make ICMP packets very slow... ipfw pipe 4 config bw 16Kbit/s delay 200ms ipfw add pipe 3 icmp from any to any and for simulation purposes, if you want to see the effect of a peculiar asymmetric line: ipfw pipe 5 config bw 2Mbit/s delay 100ms # downlink ipfw pipe 6 config bw 128Kbit/s delay 300ms # uplink ipfw add pipe 5 ip from not my_ip to my_ip ipfw add pipe 6 ip from my_ip to any have fun... cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 13:08:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03145 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03085; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17031; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805142008.OAA17031@pluto.plutotech.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:04:14 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Subject: 980513 CAM snapshot available. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: scsi@FreeBSD.org Subject: 980513 CAM snapshot available. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:04:14 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" The snapshot is available from: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam or ftp://ftp.kdm.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam Please read the README before attempting to install. The device statistics portion of the 2.2-stable snapshot has not been thoroughly tested yet, so I would appreciate feedback on iostat/systat/ vmstat functionality under 2.2. Changes for the 980513 Snapshot: - Added support for -stable, funded by the HotMail folks. - The systat and vmstat programs have been converted to use the device stat code. - The wd, scd, wfd, and fd drivers have been converted to the devstat system so they properly show up in iostat/systat/vmstat displays, thanks to Mike Smith. - The Media Changer driver (ch) has been added. - CD Changer support now ensures that all transactions, even the read capacity performed during the probe stage, go through the changer scheduler. In the past, read capacity commands would go out to all disks at once causing many changes to get very upset. - Fixed a few bugs in the Adaptec, BusLogic, and AdvanSys drivers having to do with error recovery. Memory mapped I/O is now disabled in teh BusLogic driver as it doesn't seem to be properly supported in the hardware. - If a device is spun up, it's inquiry and serial number data are now refreshed. - -- Justin ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 13:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08513 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com (qmailr@cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com [207.236.16.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08507 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbirn@cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com) Received: (qmail 8816 invoked by uid 1000); 14 May 1998 20:47:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19980514204740.8814.qmail@cpu2508.adsl.bellglobal.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Brian Feldman" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Steve Birnbaum Subject: Re: swaping of large process In-Reply-To: Your message of "13 May 1998 21:46:30 -0000." <19980513214630.9275.qmail@m2.findmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-2037121215P"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:47:40 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-2037121215P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was about to reply to you as soon as I got your message saying that that wasn't the case due to the settings I do have in login.conf - and the fact that I've compiled other large apps on the same system when it had more physical memory. For some reason I checked anyway. It turns out that the upgrade I performed from one snapshot release to the latest about a week ago trashed the login.conf file. I don't know how others have their system configured, but I consider that almost like trashing my hosts.allow file - not appreciated. (the ACL keywords with with sshd too) Can someone fix the install software on the boot disk to not trample on this file? That combined with the error message being just as the physical memory was exhausted *and* having seen the same thing (the same compile actually) die because of a broken pager on a different OS the night before made me assume it was related to the pager. Thanks for pointing out what I should have checked. Steve --==_Exmh_-2037121215P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQEVAwUBNVtYagNowu66bCy5AQG7cAf5AY9Wqy1cJ2NqND3xlkoWswlKUIiRgmSK Eg0SsD/q7+KhFEiFPc9El79ASVu7vw20t8CLl2Ze9TNDhY+LvGMgqqCdbMU/hUCV 6pQ6pT0WLeOEx5xDvI8PhH7XTcztVhCbkcN5od+RLMxi8WHasb3kbxGwLTVBo5vl i1m0Yb+5EbMnnWUA6UFJLA9LXip0KN/el2lwIWzYXFDQ5V9qy5/Hv7wddOcU7V9I vu1bxRBGHkNIgJiHKLxruH9+m4PS+NrJ6Yl5sRFGNLVq2MMY+XqRGpTj1f1a2W+L Tif3pCT9LSRxaFdF0oKB2ywI6OpZwuausV71loP6NOvsR0HlaXpBpw== =WnI0 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --==_Exmh_-2037121215P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 14:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21176 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m2.findmail.com (m2.findmail.com [209.185.96.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21166 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brianfeldman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 6032 invoked by uid 505); 14 May 1998 21:50:18 -0000 Date: 14 May 1998 21:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19980514215018.6031.qmail@m2.findmail.com> From: "Brian Feldman" Subject: SoftUpdates stable?? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know about this, it seems not to be stable to me. After a 1-week uptime, at the end which I decided to rebuild a kernel with softupdates, it seemed to work fine. After a little while, I was in X, with xlock running, and left my station alone. Later I tried to telnet to it to no avail; when I got home, I found it completely locked, "wedged" to use recent terminology, having been up maybe 15 or so hours at most. Now, seeing as the system did not respond at all, I had to hit the actual reboot button, and on the next boot, running dumpon, there was no panic and no coredump to recover. So, my question is, is it really possible for the softupdates code to literally hang my system instead of panicking it? So now I am running without softupdates, and I'll see if this locking up problem resurfaces, to see if it's truly softupdates's fault. As a side note, during that one week uptime and after making install on the new kernel, I was about o reboot; a minute earlier I had dropped into DDB, continued, and switched back into X; minutes later, my system locked, with the all-too-familiar infinite beep of trying to switch consoles when the system is locked. Think DDB, delaying the system by a couple seconds without the userland knowing, could have caused this one crash? Cheers, Brian Feldman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 15:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23472 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shire.domestic.de (kuebart.stuttgart.netsurf.de [194.233.216.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23444 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joki@kuebart.stuttgart.netsurf.de) Received: from yacht.domestic.de (yacht.domestic.de [192.168.1.4]) by shire.domestic.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA22571 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:59:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from joki@shire.domestic.de) From: Joachim Kuebart Received: (from joki@localhost) by yacht.domestic.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id AAA00586 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:01:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from joki@shire.domestic.de) Message-Id: <199805142201.AAA00586@yacht.domestic.de> Subject: ATAPI CD-Rom driver and CDDA To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:01:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I would like to implement audio grabbing for Compact Disk Digital Audio (CDDA) disks in the wcd driver. However, I seem to be unable to find a list of ATAPI commands that can be used with common CD drives to accomplish this. Does anyone have any pointers (i.e. based on what documentation were the ATAPI drivers programmed in the first place?) Glad if you could help. cu Jo --------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve Joachim Kuebart Tel: +49 711 653706 Replicants are like any other machine -- Germany they're either a benefit or a hazard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 16:11:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04410 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ConSys.COM (consys.com [209.60.202.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04401 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: (from pinyon@localhost) by ConSys.COM (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10750; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:11:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:11:24 -0700 (MST) From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199805142311.QAA10750@ConSys.COM> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, rjk@grauel.com Subject: Re: machine locks up under X with brand-new kernel Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -current kernel built last night makes my xdm look very odd indeed, colors are all messed up and the fonts were illegible. Could still get a console and reboot, older kernels are fine. Russell (This is a pretty vanilla P6 system with using the Mach64 server) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 17:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20417 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20409 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA18121; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:33:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Brian Feldman cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-Reply-To: <19980514215018.6031.qmail@m2.findmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14 May 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: Get used to it. It just happened to me about 15 minutes ago, I Cannot for the life of me get Soft Updates to play nice with X. I was running xlock as well, xlock -fullrandom -inroot -ncolors 200 -mode ifs heh cause I have CPU to burn :) Softupdates does not like X. I dont know why. But it seems to be a "leak" Meaning it runs fine for a few hours but after that i have never been able to get 5 days uptime, so after a few hours and before 5 days it ALWAYS wedges with SU. I dont have a serial console so this is all speculation and worthless info. But like I said its like something leaks, its fine for a few hours under X, but the longer it goes the higher the chance of a wedge. and it NEVER makes it to 5 days of uptime for me anyway. So I play with new releases julian makes but then when it wedges I go back to non-SU kernels. It will all get worked out in due time. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 18:19:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27226 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA27218 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:19:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from spectrum by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65/AndrewR-930902) id AA17724; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:49:36 +0930 Received: by spectrum.physics.adelaide.edu.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/26Jun95-0330PM) id AA04681; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:49:36 +0930 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:49:33 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Brian Feldman Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-Reply-To: <19980514215018.6031.qmail@m2.findmail.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14 May 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > I don't know about this, it seems not to be stable to me. After a > 1-week uptime, at the end which I decided to rebuild a kernel with > softupdates, it seemed to work fine. After a little while, I was in X, > with xlock running, and left my station alone. Later I tried to telnet to > it to no avail; when I got home, I found it completely locked, "wedged" to > use recent terminology, having been up maybe 15 or so hours at most. Now, These are similar symptoms I was seeing until last night (until I fixed (a)). Make sure a) The filesystem you're running softupdates on isnt mounted 'async' b) You're using the most recent version of the softupdates code from http://www.freebsd.org/~julian Since correcting the first problem, I've finished two 'make world -j8's without a hitch. I'll run some more stress-tests over the weekend and see if I can't get it to die, but so far I'm quite happy with what I see. Thanks, Julian! Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 18:20:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27547 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feldman.dyn.ml.org (green@1Cust77.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27532 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@feldman.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from green@localhost) by feldman.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19797 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:20:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from green) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman Message-Id: <199805150120.VAA19797@feldman.dyn.ml.org> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Projects for 3.0 before -RELEASE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here are a couple nice ones for all you (us?) developer-FreeBSD-hacker-types: DVD support (SCSI/ATAPI drives are probably already supported, how about the DVD FS though?) re-add qcam to the lkm's, and src-sys (it's in stable, not current, it's only a couple kb, so why not?) put gomoku(6) from 4.4BSD-Lite2 in src-games (hey, it's worth a shot :) upgrade the src-contrib PERL to version 5 (I can take this one on) Anything else? Brian Feldman BrianFeldman@hotmail.com "Then He said `Linux', and all was smited." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNVuYJLAqGC7metGJAQGcGgQAjiGPJc0BfjkARx+YgAaIQs7xfcfhMhjl 4ro2+tGUvZqAU3Y/2nz/ZmdupWnMazrRKsJtrwplLrcrZ16z928+wYbpETTdnV82 I3SD1iYx4UZVU2t2zO1kMrF7mKhNTn+9/ha179RV22ia4+KjKjGm3BaRYUp4ivsq jdShAlCKfu8= =Y9y5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 18:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29972 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29875 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01633; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd001630; Fri May 15 01:22:11 1998 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Brian Feldman cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-Reply-To: <19980514215018.6031.qmail@m2.findmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG there are other problems than softupdates at the moment. BTW you mailer is not wrapping thelines I have one here that goes into the next appartment :-) julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 18:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00139 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m2.findmail.com (m2.findmail.com [209.185.96.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29877 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brianfeldman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 12976 invoked by uid 505); 15 May 1998 01:31:39 -0000 Date: 15 May 1998 01:31:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19980515013139.12975.qmail@m2.findmail.com> From: "Brian Feldman" Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <19980514032226.30338@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, it wasn't as complicated to get my system up to 3.0. Since it stopped after almost making the bootstrap tools, I just edited the Makefile and had it build the bootstrap libs first, then the tools; so effectively, if you change that order (which you shouldn't, but have to in this case) nothing gets broken; I never had to actually `install' the latest libc with error(3) changes to get the world to compile (although I did, and it's a long story about using libc_pic.a, etc. *g* I'll never do _that_ again) - Brian Feldman > John Birrell scribbled this message on May 14: > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > does this mean that ALL third party programs that use curses MUST be > > > > > recompiled?!?!?! > > > > > > > > Recompiled, no. Relinked, yes. > > > > > > Actually, it's a define in a header file, si it's "recompiled". > > > > No, it's "relinked" so that a program will know to use the later libc. > > The problem here is not that the libc major number needs to be bumped, > > but *all* other libraries that use errno.h need a major number bump. > > Bruce pointed this out. > > > > Bruce wants the change backed out. I haven't heard from anyone else. > > I want the change backed ASAP!! I can't do buildworlds with this > change... I was about to make modifications so that we can have a > LD_LIBRARY_PATH additiont so we can make a dir like: > /usr/lib/buildworldrequiredlibsbecauseofchanges that will contain local > system friendly libs along with libs that will let buildworld run to > completiong... > > this will allow people to HAVE to buildworld on a 2.2.1-R box to be > able to... (either that or let my 486dx2/66 machine buildworld, but > I don't want to think about how long THAT takes)... > > > Should I bump the major number of all the shared libraries in the > > FreeBSD tree? Should I back out the change and forget about making future > > objects thread-aware? Should I do nothing? > > you should make the build process past version friendly... even if > someone had a prev -current to lib changes... they couldn't do a > buildworld without first building libc and installing, then starting > the buildworld process all over again... > > of course, this is more of a problem of using the freebsd header files > to build the tools to buildworld... > > libs and headers are a matched set... > > -- > John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 > Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 > > Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD > Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 18:49:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04033 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04016 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20922; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:49:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805150149.UAA20922@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: machine locks up under X with brand-new kernel In-Reply-To: <199805142311.QAA10750@ConSys.COM> from "Russell L. Carter" at "May 14, 98 04:11:24 pm" To: rcarter@pinyon.org (Russell L. Carter) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:49:34 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, rjk@grauel.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -current kernel built last night makes my xdm look very odd > indeed, colors are all messed up and the fonts were illegible. Could > still get a console and reboot, older kernels are fine. > What is the latest version of a working kernel for you??? Thanks! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 19:02:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07313 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:02:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07283 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:02:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28003 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs on freefall Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tried to do a ports commit on freefall, got this: cvs [commit aborted]: could not chdir to modules: No such file or directory Howcome? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 19:24:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10872 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11978 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:24:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805150224.VAA11978@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: People having problems with X windows? To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:24:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Check for a message something like: pmap: added WC mapping at address ???? There might be a correlation between that message and system failures? John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 19:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15530 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15522 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24238; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd024232; Thu May 14 19:51:44 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18202; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:51:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805150251.TAA18202@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:51:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805140803.SAA25102@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at May 14, 98 06:03:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The problem reported by Bruce is this: > > program (less) links against libtermcap.so (major version X) and libc.so > (major version Y). > > Some development takes place which causes the major version of libc to be > bumped to Y + 1. The program still looks for libc version Y. Was the libc version actually bumped? > Then the __error() change is added to libc version Y + 1 and the header > file that matches it. A rebuild of the system causes libtermcap still > at version X to *need* the new __error() definition. So to ensure that > the program is not broken, the version of libtermcap needs to be bumped > to X + 1. This is a simple example. Yes, but... When the system is rebuilt, it it also linked against the rebuilt libc.so. Are we talking code that doesn't get rebuilt when the system is rebuilt? Ie: the system is *NOT* rebuilt, only *PART* of the system is rebuilt? If *PART* of the system *WASN'T* rebuilt, I now see the problem. The user is too lazy to be running -current. ;-). It seems to me that the fix would be (in errno.h) something like: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- /* * Provide a weak accessor for the system errno for shared libraries * which reference the accessor via the definition, but are dynamically * linked into an application linked against older major versions of the * libc and therefore don't have the strong __error symbol defined. * * This is a hack to avoid doing the right thing, which is to bump * all other shared libraries major versions and maintain old copies * of all shared libraries required by old applications. * * Compilers other than GCC will probably need to handle this in other * ways. -- terry@lambert.org */ #ifdef __GCC__ #pragma weak __error = ___error static ___inline int *___error( void) { extern int errno; return &errno; } #endif /* __GCC__*/ #define errno (* __error) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This would give each library a weak accessor that would be overridden by the real accessor if the thing got linked to the right libc, right? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 19:55:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16225 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16197 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11867; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:54:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd011853; Thu May 14 19:54:52 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18419; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:54:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805150254.TAA18419@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:54:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805141626.JAA21297@austin.polstra.com> from "John Polstra" at May 14, 98 09:26:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In article <199805141009.GAA00344@hda.hda.com>, > Peter Dufault wrote: > > > The choices are bump all major numbers when compiling against the > > new header (the correct but inconvenient solution since the change > > is semi-hidden) or some hack in ld.so, e.g., ld.so looks for > > lib__error.so.1.0 for undefined symbols with two leading underscores. > > Ick! Hacks like that are practically impossible to get rid of > again, ever. I think I have a better hack, and it's self-eliminating with ELF. See my other posting. One might even decide to encapsulate it with a manifest constant test that goes in make.conf and disappears when the other libraries major numbers go up at release time (or at the ELF switchover). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 20:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18346 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18336 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA16946; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805150306.NAA16946@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" In-Reply-To: <199805150251.TAA18202@usr01.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 15, 98 02:51:40 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:01 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > Was the libc version actually bumped? For 3.0 I think yes, but not specifically for this change. > Are we talking code that doesn't get rebuilt when the system is > rebuilt? Ie: the system is *NOT* rebuilt, only *PART* of the system > is rebuilt? We are talking about programs that are not distributed by FreeBSD. > If *PART* of the system *WASN'T* rebuilt, I now see the problem. The > user is too lazy to be running -current. ;-). I'll let you tell Bruce he's lazy. 8-) 8-). I think it has more to do with POLA. > #ifdef __GCC__ > #pragma weak __error = ___error > static ___inline int *___error( void) { extern int errno; return &errno; } > #endif /* __GCC__*/ > > #define errno (* __error) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This would give each library a weak accessor that would be overridden > by the real accessor if the thing got linked to the right libc, right? Provided that weak symbols are handled properly when there is more than one weak symbol for the same name, yes. Remember that libpthread needs to have a non-weak __error symbol that can override the one in libc *and the errno.h header in you example) for kernel threads. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 20:30:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23355 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ConSys.COM (consys.com [209.60.202.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23280 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rcarter@psf.Pinyon.ORG) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (ip-17-116.prc.primenet.com [207.218.17.116]) by ConSys.COM (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11543; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psf.Pinyon.ORG (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11883; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:28:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199805150328.UAA11883@psf.Pinyon.ORG> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "John S. Dyson" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: machine locks up under X with brand-new kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 20:49:34 EST." <199805150149.UAA20922@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:28:28 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > -current kernel built last night makes my xdm look very odd > > indeed, colors are all messed up and the fonts were illegible. Could > > still get a console and reboot, older kernels are fine. > > > What is the latest version of a working kernel for you??? > Not too recent: :-( FreeBSD PSF.Pinyon.ORG 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #10: Tue May 5 22:11:01 MST 1998 rcarter@PSF.Pinyon.ORG:/usr/src/sys/compile/PSFSU i386 I have a new world current up to yesterday (May 13) that now fails with both gmake 3.75 and a today built gmake 3.76 target: omniLifeCycle.hh omniLifeCycleSK.cc: omniLifeCycle.idl $(OMNIORB2_IDL_FPATH) omniLifeCycle.idl ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ it hangs there The $(OMNIORB2_IDL_FPATH) resolves to something that works just peachy keen from a shell. Worked right up until I cvsupped and built the world last night. Cheers, Russell (who just loves all the bucking this pony gives :-) Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #10: Tue May 5 22:11:01 MST 1998 rcarter@PSF.Pinyon.ORG:/usr/src/sys/compile/PSFSU Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 3185 ns Timecounter "TSC" frequency 232528348 Hz cost 248 ns CPU: Pentium Pro (232.53-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 Features=0xf9ff real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) avail memory = 95506432 (93268K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.1.0 de0: rev 0x20 int a irq 10 on pci0.9.0 de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:40:05:2c:2f:65 ncr0: rev 0x12 int a irq 11 on pci0.12.0 ncr0: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus0 at ncr0 bus 0 sd0 at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access sd0: 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) 2777MB (5688447 512 byte sectors) sd1 at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 sd1: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1: Direct-Access sd1: 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors) st0 at scbus0 target 5 lun 0 st0: type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0: Sequential-Access st0: 5.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 8) density code 0x0, drive empty vga0: rev 0x41 on pci0.13.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa Hmm... Could this be an ESS688 based card (rev 11) NOTE! SB Pro support required with your soundcard! snd0: opl0 at 0x388 on isa snd0: changing root device to sd0s1a de0: enabling 100baseTX port de0: enabling Full Duplex 100baseTX port de0: link down: cable problem? lpt0 switched to polled mode To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 21:12:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00816 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from moran.grauel.com (moran.grauel.com [199.233.104.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00811 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjk@moran.grauel.com) Received: (from rjk@localhost) by moran.grauel.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA00227; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:10:36 -0500 (EST) From: Richard J Kuhns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13659.49212.350774.855194@moran.grauel.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:10:36 -0500 (EST) To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <199805150224.VAA11978@dyson.iquest.net> References: <199805150224.VAA11978@dyson.iquest.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John S. Dyson writes: > Check for a message something like: > > pmap: added WC mapping at address ???? > > There might be a correlation between that message and system failures? > > John > OK, I just rebooted with the evil kernel, and found the following: Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #15: Thu May 14 09:20:29 EST 1998 rjk@moran.grauel.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MORAN Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 3329 ns Timecounter "TSC" frequency 199433125 Hz cost 281 ns CPU: Pentium Pro (199.43-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 Features=0xfbff real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62947328 (61472K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: Correcting Natoma config for non-SMP chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 pmap: added WC mapping at page: 0x80000001 0, size: 67108864 mask: 0xfc000800 f vga0: rev 0x02 int a irq 11 on pci0.19.0 ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.20.0 ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: waiting for scsi devices to settle ... the rest is the same as my last message, and I don't believe I've ever seen the pmap: line before. Does that help any? - Rich -- Richard Kuhns rjk@grauel.com PO Box 6249 Tel: (765)477-6000 \ 100 Sawmill Road x319 Lafayette, IN 47903 (800)489-4891 / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 21:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01319 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01285 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00284; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:15:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805150415.XAA00284@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <13659.49212.350774.855194@moran.grauel.com> from Richard J Kuhns at "May 14, 98 11:10:36 pm" To: rjk@grauel.com (Richard J Kuhns) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:15:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Richard J Kuhns said: > John S. Dyson writes: > > Check for a message something like: > > > > pmap: added WC mapping at address ???? > > > > There might be a correlation between that message and system failures? > > > > John > > > > OK, I just rebooted with the evil kernel, and found the following: > > chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 > pmap: added WC mapping at page: 0x80000001 0, size: 67108864 mask: 0xfc000800 f > seen the pmap: line before. Does that help any? > - Rich For the first statement in /sys/i386/i386/pmap.c, pmap_setdevram, please just place a return there. That'll mostly disable the new feature and might fix the problem for you. If it does, let me know, so I can disable it. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 21:58:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06515 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06494 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04635 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs on freefall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > Tried to do a ports commit on freefall, got this: > > cvs [commit aborted]: could not chdir to modules: No such file or directory > > Howcome? Please ignore, my goof. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 14 23:38:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21904 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk ([212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21886 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01056; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:36:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805150636.IAA01056@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <199805150224.VAA11978@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at "May 14, 98 09:24:15 pm" To: toor@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to John S. Dyson who wrote: > Check for a message something like: > > pmap: added WC mapping at address ???? > > There might be a correlation between that message and system failures? I did a few experiments here, if I start the X server from a telnet session, the server comes up with all its output on the telnet session, but the X display stop abruptly after very few screen updates, in my case it hangs in the startup of fvwm95. I had a top running on another telnet session and it continued to work and showed the X server eating up all available cpu on "CPU0", the top command run on CPU1 here so that might be why it still worked. everything else was dead in the water, ie no network no keyboard no nothing... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 00:22:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27104 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27089 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08488; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:21:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805150721.IAA08488@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Open Systems Networking cc: Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 20:33:22 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:21:25 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Same problems here - I have /tmp async and not soft-updated. The rest is soft-updated and not async. The locks under X are quick & bad (about 10-15 minutes after starting X) - not even BREAK on a serial console gets a look-in. > On 14 May 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > Get used to it. > It just happened to me about 15 minutes ago, I Cannot for the life of me > get Soft Updates to play nice with X. > I was running xlock as well, xlock -fullrandom -inroot -ncolors 200 -mode ifs > heh cause I have CPU to burn :) > Softupdates does not like X. I dont know why. But it seems to be a "leak" > Meaning it runs fine for a few hours but after that i have never been able > to get 5 days uptime, so after a few hours and before 5 days it ALWAYS > wedges with SU. I dont have a serial console so this is all speculation > and worthless info. But like I said its like something leaks, its fine for > a few hours under X, but the longer it goes the higher the chance of a > wedge. and it NEVER makes it to 5 days of uptime for me anyway. > So I play with new releases julian makes but then when it wedges I go back > to non-SU kernels. It will all get worked out in due time. > > Chris > > -- > "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te > gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC > foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z > d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb > NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv > CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 > b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= > =BBjp > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 00:24:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27342 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27330; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spadger@best.com) Received: from best.com (dynamic58.pm07.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.186]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id AAA18771; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <355BED3A.CF642102@best.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:22:34 -0700 From: Andy Sparrow Organization: What, me organised? I don't think so... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Richard J Kuhns , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? References: <199805150415.XAA00284@dyson.iquest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John S. Dyson wrote: > For the first statement in /sys/i386/i386/pmap.c, pmap_setdevram, > please just place a return there. That'll mostly disable the new > feature and might fix the problem for you. If it does, let me know, > so I can disable it. Result!!! :-) That fixes the problem with X for me on a kernel/world CVSupped ~ 11th May, which rebuilding XFree86 failed to do. Previously, starting the X server might or might not lock the machine for network access, but definately stopped the console working (beep when try to switch VTs), and the server would eat 75% of CPU. Even just starting the server and moving the cursor around would lock up after a little while, any other clients just seemed to hasten that.. Been up for about 20 minutes now, everything seems normal again. Thanks! As an aside, that (previous) kernel gave me a "de0: autosense failed - cable problem?" message everytime on bootup, (Cogent EM110 card) and the ifconfig line with "media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex" in rc.conf didn't help. (the link and RX lights were solid on the switch, no 100TX light despite a message saying it had done the configuration, and no packets passed over that interface at all). I found that I had to take de0 down, delay a few seconds (?? 5 worked) and bring it back up again. Since applying that change to pmap.c, the Cogent Just Works again, which is a very pleasant bonus :-) Regards, AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 00:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28973 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28956; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03075; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:38:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <199805150636.IAA01056@sos.freebsd.dk> from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= at "May 15, 98 08:36:43 am" To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:38:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Søren Schmidt said: > In reply to John S. Dyson who wrote: > > Check for a message something like: > > > > pmap: added WC mapping at address ???? > > > > There might be a correlation between that message and system failures? > > I did a few experiments here, if I start the X server from a telnet > session, the server comes up with all its output on the telnet > session, but the X display stop abruptly after very few screen > updates, in my case it hangs in the startup of fvwm95. I had > a top running on another telnet session and it continued to work > and showed the X server eating up all available cpu on > "CPU0", the top command run on CPU1 here so that might be > why it still worked. everything else was dead in the water, > ie no network no keyboard no nothing... > I just removed my WC "improvements", by adding the return to the subroutine in the pmap code. See if it is more friendly. The symptoms appear to be those associated with improper setting of WC mode for a display adaptor. I had to add a heuristic to make it work correctly on one of my cards, but I guess it was bad. The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more research into the issue. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 01:33:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07324 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07319 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:33:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA10181; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd010179; Fri May 15 08:24:32 1998 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:24:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Brian Somers cc: Open Systems Networking , Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-Reply-To: <199805150721.IAA08488@awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG try making tmp softupdates rather than sync (it's better because softupdates can decide that a deleted file never nneds to be written (it cancels the write) whereas async will write the block anyhow for no reason.) I will admit that my test machine has not been running X11 I will correct that oversight tomorrow On Fri, 15 May 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > Same problems here - I have /tmp async and not soft-updated. The > rest is soft-updated and not async. The locks under X are quick & > bad (about 10-15 minutes after starting X) - not even BREAK on a > serial console gets a look-in. > > > On 14 May 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > > > > Get used to it. > > It just happened to me about 15 minutes ago, I Cannot for the life of me > > get Soft Updates to play nice with X. > > I was running xlock as well, xlock -fullrandom -inroot -ncolors 200 -mode ifs > > heh cause I have CPU to burn :) > > Softupdates does not like X. I dont know why. But it seems to be a "leak" > > Meaning it runs fine for a few hours but after that i have never been able > > to get 5 days uptime, so after a few hours and before 5 days it ALWAYS > > wedges with SU. I dont have a serial console so this is all speculation > > and worthless info. But like I said its like something leaks, its fine for > > a few hours under X, but the longer it goes the higher the chance of a > > wedge. and it NEVER makes it to 5 days of uptime for me anyway. > > So I play with new releases julian makes but then when it wedges I go back > > to non-SU kernels. It will all get worked out in due time. > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" > > > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > > FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > Version: 2.6.2 > > > > mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te > > gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC > > foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z > > d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb > > NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv > > CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 > > b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= > > =BBjp > > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 01:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08291 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08283; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA00217; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:09:17 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980515180916.J1953@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:09:16 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? References: <199805150636.IAA01056@sos.freebsd.dk> <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 02:38:54AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 15 May 1998 at 2:38:54 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Søren Schmidt said: >> In reply to John S. Dyson who wrote: >>> Check for a message something like: >>> >>> pmap: added WC mapping at address ???? >>> >>> There might be a correlation between that message and system failures? >> >> I did a few experiments here, if I start the X server from a telnet >> session, the server comes up with all its output on the telnet >> session, but the X display stop abruptly after very few screen >> updates, in my case it hangs in the startup of fvwm95. I had >> a top running on another telnet session and it continued to work >> and showed the X server eating up all available cpu on >> "CPU0", the top command run on CPU1 here so that might be >> why it still worked. everything else was dead in the water, >> ie no network no keyboard no nothing... >> > I just removed my WC "improvements", by adding the return to the > subroutine in the pmap code. See if it is more friendly. The > symptoms appear to be those associated with improper setting of > WC mode for a display adaptor. I had to add a heuristic to make > it work correctly on one of my cards, but I guess it was bad. > > The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more > research into the issue. Excuse my ignorance, but what's WC in this context? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 01:57:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10900 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10887; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02030; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:56:51 +0200 (CEST) To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 02:38:54 CDT." <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:56:50 +0200 Message-ID: <2028.895222610@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net>, "John S. Dyson" writes: >I just removed my WC "improvements", by adding the return to the >subroutine in the pmap code. See if it is more friendly. The >symptoms appear to be those associated with improper setting of >WC mode for a display adaptor. I had to add a heuristic to make >it work correctly on one of my cards, but I guess it was bad. > >The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more >research into the issue. I would expect WC to break any and all accelerated adapters that communicate with the graphics engine through the ram window... What is needed is to XFree86 to be able to madvise the true frame buffer as "Write-combine" and leave the rest of the ram window unaffected. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 02:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11815 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11764; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA24178; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:32:57 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805150902.SAA24178@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 18:09:16 +0930." <19980515180916.J1953@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:32:57 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA11800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more > > research into the issue. > > Excuse my ignorance, but what's WC in this context? It means Write-Combining, which you can enable on Pentium Pro and Pentium II machine... It makes things Go Faster(tm) but I;m not sure what it does.. (ie can someone please explain :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 02:09:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12812 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12805 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11948 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA05186 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:09:01 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:09:01 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199805150909.LAA05186@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: nodes.h Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I didn't build a world in a month or so and yesterday I started another one which prematurely ended with: cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/a/src/bin/sh -I/usr/obj/a/src/tmp/usr/include -c /a/src/bin/sh/alias.c yacc -d /a/src/bin/sh/arith.y cp y.tab.c arith.c cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/a/src/bin/sh -I/usr/obj/a/src/tmp/usr/include -c arith.c lex -t -8 /a/src/bin/sh/arith_lex.l > arith_lex.c cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/a/src/bin/sh -I/usr/obj/a/src/tmp/usr/include -c arith_lex.c cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/a/src/bin/sh -I/usr/obj/a/src/tmp/usr/include -c /a/src/bin/sh/cd.c /a/src/bin/sh/cd.c:56: nodes.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Am I out of sync with the source tree or is something else wrong? -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 03:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20994 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20965 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07877; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:00:11 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA09868; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id LAA08614; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980515115925.46642@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:25 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? References: <19980514215018.6031.qmail@m2.findmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:49:33AM +0930 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway writes: > > a) The filesystem you're running softupdates on isnt mounted 'async' > > b) You're using the most recent version of the softupdates code from > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian > > Since correcting the first problem, I've finished two 'make world -j8's > without a hitch. I'll run some more stress-tests over the weekend and see > if I can't get it to die, but so far I'm quite happy with what I see. No such luck. -current as of yesterday (SMP), new kernel, softupdates, no async, and I got up this morning to find the box stuck in DDB -- I did a tr but didn't write down -- I was already late for work :-| But I do remember it concerned locking issues. I'll reproduce it tonight. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 03:11:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22846 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:11:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22820; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:11:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02256; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:10:09 +0200 (CEST) To: Greg Lehey cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 18:09:16 +0930." <19980515180916.J1953@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:10:09 +0200 Message-ID: <2254.895227009@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19980515180916.J1953@freebie.lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes: >> I just removed my WC "improvements", by adding the return to the >> subroutine in the pmap code. See if it is more friendly. The >> symptoms appear to be those associated with improper setting of >> WC mode for a display adaptor. I had to add a heuristic to make >> it work correctly on one of my cards, but I guess it was bad. >> >> The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more >> research into the issue. > >Excuse my ignorance, but what's WC in this context? Write Combining. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 03:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27691 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27685 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02476; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:52:53 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA24169; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:52:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980515125252.54648@follo.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:52:52 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? References: <19980515180916.J1953@freebie.lemis.com> <199805150902.SAA24178@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805150902.SAA24178@cain.gsoft.com.au>; from Daniel O'Connor on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 06:32:57PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 06:32:57PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more > > > research into the issue. > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but what's WC in this context? > > It means Write-Combining, which you can enable on Pentium Pro and Pentium II > machine... It makes things Go Faster(tm) but I;m not sure what it does.. (ie > can someone please explain :) (Part of this is extrapolation and all of it is based on things I don't remember as well as I should. Take with a grain of salt.) It caches writes and do them as a single write, basically. This allow you to use e.g. burst modes, where an address is written into a RAM address line and then a series of RAM cells are written using an auto-increment mode for the address. The problems occur when you have control registers for an external device (e.g, a display adapter) - these don't tend to like being written this way. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 05:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13439 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13416 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:34:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id OAA17334; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:26:14 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199805151226.OAA17334@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "May 15, 98 01:24:28 am" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:26:14 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > try making tmp softupdates rather than sync > (it's better because softupdates can decide that a deleted file never > nneds to be written (it cancels the write) > whereas async will write the block anyhow for no reason.) > > I will admit that my test machine has not been running X11 > I will correct that oversight tomorrow Can you maybe try a "make release" also? If you haven't yet. On my SMP machine I can do a "make world" with no problems, but both the "make release"s that I have tried failed with a kernel panic. Not sure if it is a SMP problem or not. I haven't tried it on a UP machine. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 05:44:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15635 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15617; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id WAA16557; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:43:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980515224353.26233@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:43:53 +1000 From: David Dawes To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? References: <199805150636.IAA01056@sos.freebsd.dk> <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 02:38:54AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 02:38:54AM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: >Søren Schmidt said: >> In reply to John S. Dyson who wrote: >> > Check for a message something like: >> > >> > pmap: added WC mapping at address ???? >> > >> > There might be a correlation between that message and system failures? >> >> I did a few experiments here, if I start the X server from a telnet >> session, the server comes up with all its output on the telnet >> session, but the X display stop abruptly after very few screen >> updates, in my case it hangs in the startup of fvwm95. I had >> a top running on another telnet session and it continued to work >> and showed the X server eating up all available cpu on >> "CPU0", the top command run on CPU1 here so that might be >> why it still worked. everything else was dead in the water, >> ie no network no keyboard no nothing... >> >I just removed my WC "improvements", by adding the return to the >subroutine in the pmap code. See if it is more friendly. The >symptoms appear to be those associated with improper setting of >WC mode for a display adaptor. I had to add a heuristic to make >it work correctly on one of my cards, but I guess it was bad. > >The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more >research into the issue. What were you using to determine when to enable WC? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 05:48:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16764 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16756 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-4-13.camtech.net.au [203.28.0.141]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA18721; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:15:02 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <355C38FA.DA8E21BA@camtech.net.au> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:15:46 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe Regnauld CC: Kris Kennaway , Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? References: <19980514215018.6031.qmail@m2.findmail.com> <19980515115925.46642@deepo.prosa.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On a machine running CTM src-cur.3366 (which is after the recent VM fixes AND with the new softupdates) I was unable to "make world" for CTM src-cur.3369 with my root FS not using softupdates and my only other partition (a 3GB /usr) using softupdates. The machine paniced 17.46% of the way through (based on size of output). I disabled softupdates and was able to make world 3369 with no problems. (I did forget to put async and noatime back on for this but the build took only 2 hours 29 minutes - which is only 7 minutes slower than the build from 3345 to 3366 which had async and noatime on!! - It seems that async, noatime is not useful once you get reasonably fast drives - IBM 6.48 Million bytes Ultra DMA [but only running at mode 4] GMR heads - only 9.5ms ave seek but) Philippe Regnauld wrote: > > Kris Kennaway writes: > > > > a) The filesystem you're running softupdates on isnt mounted 'async' > > > > b) You're using the most recent version of the softupdates code from > > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian > > > > Since correcting the first problem, I've finished two 'make world -j8's > > without a hitch. I'll run some more stress-tests over the weekend and see > > if I can't get it to die, but so far I'm quite happy with what I see. > > No such luck. -current as of yesterday (SMP), new kernel, softupdates, > no async, and I got up this morning to find the box stuck in > DDB -- I did a tr but didn't write down -- I was already late > for work :-| But I do remember it concerned locking issues. > > I'll reproduce it tonight. > > -- > -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- > «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead > IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» > - S. Kelly Bootle > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 05:48:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16805 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16779; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id WAA16578; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:46:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980515224637.08480@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:46:37 +1000 From: David Dawes To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? References: <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net> <2028.895222610@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <2028.895222610@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:56:50AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:56:50AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >In message <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net>, "John S. Dyson" writes: > >>I just removed my WC "improvements", by adding the return to the >>subroutine in the pmap code. See if it is more friendly. The >>symptoms appear to be those associated with improper setting of >>WC mode for a display adaptor. I had to add a heuristic to make >>it work correctly on one of my cards, but I guess it was bad. >> >>The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more >>research into the issue. > >I would expect WC to break any and all accelerated adapters that >communicate with the graphics engine through the ram window... For PCI cards, memory windows used for MMIO shouldn't be marked pre-fetchable. Memory windows that are purely for framebuffer use could be. >What is needed is to XFree86 to be able to madvise the true frame >buffer as "Write-combine" and leave the rest of the ram window >unaffected. Having such a mechanism would be useful. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 05:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18127 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:55:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18122 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-4-13.camtech.net.au [203.28.0.141]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA19441; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:22:12 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <355C3AA8.6BE438E@camtech.net.au> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:22:56 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway CC: Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EBAA7E041C4B15BDB689AC83" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EBAA7E041C4B15BDB689AC83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I dont know how you managed it but I'm running the latest softupdates and I dont have the filesystem mounted async,noatime (as I normally would have) and I didn't get through a make world from a system at ctm src-cur.3366 going to 3369 (only got 17.46% through based on size of output) - a non SU kernel got through it no worries. I do my makes with no -j but with -O and -pipe. My machine is a UP P166 (no mmx) with a kernel conf attached. Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On 14 May 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > I don't know about this, it seems not to be stable to me. After a > > 1-week uptime, at the end which I decided to rebuild a kernel with > > softupdates, it seemed to work fine. After a little while, I was in X, > > with xlock running, and left my station alone. Later I tried to telnet to > > it to no avail; when I got home, I found it completely locked, "wedged" to > > use recent terminology, having been up maybe 15 or so hours at most. Now, > > These are similar symptoms I was seeing until last night (until I fixed > (a)). Make sure > > a) The filesystem you're running softupdates on isnt mounted 'async' > > b) You're using the most recent version of the softupdates code from > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian > > Since correcting the first problem, I've finished two 'make world -j8's > without a hitch. I'll run some more stress-tests over the weekend and see > if I can't get it to die, but so far I'm quite happy with what I see. > > Thanks, Julian! > > Kris > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 --------------EBAA7E041C4B15BDB689AC83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="MATTE" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="MATTE" # Machine with 32 Bit WD disks, ATAPI CD-ROM, SB16, NE2000 NIC # and ncr PCI SCSI. # NOTE: kernel at CTM 2722 is the last kernel before the Lite 2 merge! # $Id: MATTE,v 6.3 1998/05/13 ????? CDT matt Exp $ # based on $Id: LINT,v 1.429 1998/04/29 17:09:41 andreas Exp $ # machine "i386" ident "MATTE.3366" maxusers 20 options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel config kernel root on wd0 cpu "I586_CPU" options "CPU_DISABLE_5X86_LSSER" # should not be used if you use memory mapped I/O device(s). options "CPU_FASTER_5X86_FPU" # COMPATIBILITY OPTIONS options "COMPAT_43" # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options USER_LDT # Let processes manipulate their local descriptor table (needed for WINE) options SYSVSHM # Enable SYSV style shared memory options SYSVSEM # Enable SYSV style semaphores options SYSVMSG # Enable SYSV style message queues options "MD5" # Include a MD5 routine in the kernel options "VM86" # Allow processes to switch to vm86 mode (needed for doscmd) # DEBUGGING OPTIONS options DDB # Enable the kernel debugger options UCONSOLE # Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG # boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG # visual boot -c editor # NETWORKING OPTIONS options INET # Internet communications protocols # Network interfaces: pseudo-device ether # Generic Ethernet pseudo-device loop # Network loopback device pseudo-device tun 1 # Tunnel driver(user process ppp) # FILESYSTEM OPTIONS # The ones I have commented out will autoload when required options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS # Network Filesystem options "CD9660" # ISO 9660 Filesystem options MFS # Memory Filesystem options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem options PROCFS # Process Filesystem options NSWAPDEV=4 # Allow this many swap-devices #options DEVFS # Devices filesystem #options SLICE # Devfs based disk handling options SOFTUPDATES # (DONT USE FOR NOW - just dont enable it on the filesystems) controller pci0 controller ncr0 # My card set for termination and using IRQ 11 # SCSI DEVICE CONFIGURATION controller scbus0 at ncr0 # Base SCSI code disk sd0 at scbus0 target 0 disk sd1 at scbus0 target 1 disk sd2 at scbus0 target 2 disk sd3 at scbus0 target 3 disk sd4 at scbus0 target 4 disk sd5 at scbus0 target 5 disk sd6 at scbus0 target 6 # MISCELLANEOUS DEVICES AND OPTIONS pseudo-device pty 32 # Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 256 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn 7 # Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device ccd 4 # Concatenated disk driver # HARDWARE DEVICE CONFIGURATION controller isa0 options "AUTO_EOI_1" # Save 0.7-1.25 usec for each interrupt controller pnp0 # Enable PnP support in the kernel options XSERVER # Include code for XFree86 device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr options MAXCONS=12 # number of virtual consoles options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=400 # number of history buffer lines device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" iosiz 0x0 flags 0x0 irq 13 vector npxintr options "CMD640" # Enable work around for CMD640 h/w bug controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0xb0ffb0ff vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0xb0ffb0ff vector wdintr disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI # Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC # Don't do it as an LKM device wcd0 # IDE CD-ROM driver controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty flags 0x10 irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 9 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 device joy0 at isa? port "IO_GAME" --------------EBAA7E041C4B15BDB689AC83-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 07:22:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29995 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA29974 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65/AndrewR-930902) id AA23305; Fri, 15 May 1998 23:52:52 +0930 Received: by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA11332; Fri, 15 May 1998 23:50:37 +0930 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:50:37 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: libc corruption Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG During a make world this morning (after cvsupping yesterday), my libc.so.3.1 somehow became corrupted (either something wonky happened to to break the source, or it got trashed during compilation or on disk afterwards, or something). Immediately after installing the new libc, make (which obviously uses that library) died with "undefined symbol: SYS_nlstat in libc.so.3.1" (paraphrased, but the standard message.) Naturally, this was something of a problem, since without libc I couldnt run ANY dynamic binaries at all :-) I ended up rebooting into win95, downloading the bin directory of a recent 3.0 snap onto another account, then extracting the libc file from there and installing it from single-user mode. Unfortunately I no longer have the corrupted libc.so file, in case that might have been useful (having deleted it without thinking :-( However I do have the libc.a, a search of which with strings shows: [morden|root] 23:39 ~/trash strings /usr/lib/libc.a | grep SYS [morden|root] 23:39 ~/trash strings libc.a | grep SYS SYS_nlstat SYS_nfstat SYS_nstat SYS_netbsd_msync SYS_lutimes SYS_netbsd_lchown SYS_lchmod SYS_getdents SYS_futimes (~/trash holds the corrupted version) I cant seem to find these symbols defined anywhere in the /usr/src/lib/libc tree - any ideas where they came from? Anyone want to take a look at the strange library? :-) I'm running softupdates on this partition - it's possible there was some kind of corruption there. On another another point: how difficult would it be to set up an uncompressed 3.0-SNAP tree somewhere (for disk space reasons, perhaps only the most recent "stable" version, or something) - so if someone happens to lose a major file, they can just walk in and grab the copy of the one they need, instead of having to trawl through 50M of bin.aa's. Alternatively, if there's an easier way to do the above, could someone point it out in case I'm in this situation again? Thanks, Kris WOWBO /\ . Through the darkness of future past, /\ . BWOWB OBWOW /##\/#\ The Magician longs to see. /##\/#\ BOBWO WBOBW / \ One chance out between two worlds, / \ OWBOB WOWBO / \ Fire, Walk with me! / \ BWOWB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 07:47:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05537 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05509; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00557; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805151342.GAA00557@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 18:09:16 +0930." <19980515180916.J1953@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:42:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA05532 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Excuse my ignorance, but what's WC in this context? Just to elaborate on the previous explanations: A PCI bus transaction is relatively expensive to set up and tear down. Uncached memory accesses via PCI (and accesses to PCI targets that do not support cache operations) are performed in a word-at-a-time fashion. In the case of, eg. a PIO blit from X server backing store to the framebuffer, a large portion of the time is taken setting up and tearing down PCI transactions, each of which transfers at most 32 bits of data. Some PCI chipsets provide a facility whereby writes to successive locations within a single PCI target are cached, and the resulting set of transactions are then performed as a burst cycle, where a single set up/tear down overhead is associated with a transfer of more than 32 bits of data. This is "write combining". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 07:49:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06156 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06143; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00574; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805151344.GAA00574@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 10:56:50 +0200." <2028.895222610@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:44:15 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I would expect WC to break any and all accelerated adapters that > communicate with the graphics engine through the ram window... Why? If the region doesn't support bursting, it should disallow it in the PCI configuration registers. A combined write is (should be) flushed at the first read, so it won't break any synchronisation. (I'm not saying it doesn't, as there are obviously problems, I'm just curious why it might...) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 08:11:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10133 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (archer@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09925; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archer@burka.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from archer@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.Who.Cares) id SAA26970 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:08:54 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <19980515180853.H4812@burka.carrier.kiev.ua> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:08:54 +0300 From: Alexander Litvin To: gibbs@plutotech.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 980513 CAM snapshot available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.11i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199805142008.OAA17031@pluto.plutotech.com> you wrote: > ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy > X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 > To: scsi@FreeBSD.org > Subject: 980513 CAM snapshot available. > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:04:14 -0600 > From: "Justin T. Gibbs" > The snapshot is available from: > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam > or > ftp://ftp.kdm.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam > Please read the README before attempting to install. > The device statistics portion of the 2.2-stable snapshot has not been > thoroughly tested yet, so I would appreciate feedback on iostat/systat/ > vmstat functionality under 2.2. > Changes for the 980513 Snapshot: > > - Added support for -stable, funded by the HotMail folks. Sorry for bothering you, but during attempt to make a CAM kernel on STABLE I got (when doing 'make depend' in /sys/compile/${MYKERNEL}): cc: ../../pci/ahc_pci.c: No such file or directory There isn't really /usr/src/sys/pci/ahc_pci.c neither in STABLE nor in CAM patch for stable, though it is mentioned in /usr/src/sys/conf/files (added there by CAM patch). > - -- > Justin Alexander Litvin --- If today is the first day of the rest of your life, what the hell was yesterday? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 09:39:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23531 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atena.eurocontrol.fr (atena.uneec.eurocontrol.fr [147.196.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23517 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@eurocontrol.fr) Received: by atena.eurocontrol.fr; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15159; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:39:07 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr (8.9.0.Gamma0/caerdonn-1.6/nospam) id SAA00453; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:39:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-Id: <19980515183900.07115@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:39:00 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Panic with yesterday's kernel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My kernel (from sources of 13th) paniced with the following during "make world". May 15 18:25:00 caerdonn savecore: reboot after panic: ffs_blkfree: freeing free block May 15 18:25:00 caerdonn savecore: writing core to /var/crash/vmcore.8 May 15 18:25:25 caerdonn savecore: writing kernel to /var/crash/kernel.8 I've a dump but gdb seems to have difficulties reading it so I can't "up" and print structures. #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:296 #1 0xf0114426 in panic (fmt=0xf0169d80 "ffs_blkfree: freeing free block") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:436 #2 0xf0169f77 in ffs_blkfree (ip=0xf3fe2e3c, bno=10544, size=8192) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_alloc.c:1359 #3 0xf016f12c in softdep_setup_directory_add (bp=0xf3fe2e3c, dp=0x146e0, diroffset=0x0000000c00000000, newinum=-201445844, newdirbp=0xf09a3000) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:2177 #4 0xf016ee10 in indir_trunc (ip=0xf09a3000, dbn=0, level=-260335172, lbn=-201495808, countp=0xf3fe2f8c) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:2030 #5 0xf016cfac in checklimit (resource=0x0, islocked=-266547532) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:672 #6 0xf013580e in sched_sync () at ../../kern/vfs_subr.c:958 #7 0xf010773e in kproc_start (udata=0xf01cceb4) at ../../kern/init_main.c:245 #8 0xf018d379 in Xfastintr1 () cannot read proc at 0 "make world" itself got problems in the perl subdirectories during "make depend" because it is calling perl which is not yet build. -=-=-=- # # TCAERDONN machine "i386" cpu "I686_CPU" ident CAERDONN maxusers 20 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "CD9660" #Process filesystem options NULLFS options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options USER_LDT #allow user-level control of i386 ldt options "CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION" options "VM86" options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options "SHMMAXPGS=1024" options SOFTUPDATES options "P1003_1B" options "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING" options "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L" options KTRACE #kernel tracing config kernel root on sd0 swap on sd0 and sd1 dumps on sd0 controller isa0 controller pci0 device fxp0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device wcd0 #IDE CD-ROM controller ahc0 options AHC_TAGENABLE options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO options AHC_SCBPAGING_ENABLE controller scbus0 device sd0 device st0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # Mandatory, don't remove device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr # # Laptop support (see LINT for more options) # device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 vector pcmintr pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device tun 2 pseudo-device pty 64 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device bpfilter 4 pseudo-device snp 4 pseudo-device su #scsi user pseudo-device ssc #super scsi -=-=-=- -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- Eurocontrol EEC/TS -=- Ollivier.Robert@eurocontrol.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 09:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23992 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23946; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06270; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805151640.KAA06270@pluto.plutotech.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:36:28 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Subject: Re: 980513 CAM snapshot available Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Alexander Litvin cc: gibbs@plutotech.com, scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 980513 CAM snapshot available In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 18:08:54 +0300." <19980515180853.H4812@burka.carrier.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:36:28 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" >Sorry for bothering you, but during attempt to make a CAM kernel on >STABLE I got (when doing 'make depend' in /sys/compile/${MYKERNEL}): > >cc: ../../pci/ahc_pci.c: No such file or directory > >There isn't really /usr/src/sys/pci/ahc_pci.c neither in STABLE nor in >CAM patch for stable, though it is mentioned in /usr/src/sys/conf/files >(added there by CAM patch). Sorry about that. I seem to have missed it in my patch. I've uploaded the missing file as well as a corrected diff set to ftp.FreeBSD.org and ftp.kdm.org. The diffs for current should not have this problem. - -- Justin ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 10:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05127 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (root@solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05117 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:42:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vallo@matti.ee) Received: from localhost (vallo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with SMTP id UAA27674 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:42:01 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:41:59 +0300 (EET DST) From: Vallo Kallaste To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Comment for softupdates Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello ! I'm using softupdates for a while now and keep getting messages like these: May 14 22:10:41 myhakas /kernel: setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -2061 May 14 22:10:43 myhakas /kernel: setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 May 14 22:11:35 myhakas /kernel: setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 Sorry about wrapping. These messages appear while doing make world (with -j8 or above) and/or under massive disk i/o. The "blk -12" message appears a lot more than others. BTW there are no panics anymore and I can do what I want, thanks. My machine is an ordinary Pentium 166 UP with eide disks. Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 11:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10958 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10952 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id UAA07971 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:20:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id UAA18579 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:15:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980515201530.A18562@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:15:30 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: yywrap missing ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I get the following on a make world from yesterday's sources (CTM patch 3370). Have I missed something ? cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/u2/usr/src/bin/sh -I/usr/obj/u2/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o sh alias.o arith.o arith_lex.o cd.o echo.o error.o eval.o exec.o expand.o histedit.o input.o jobs.o mail.o main.o memalloc.o miscbltin.o mystring.o options.o output.o parser.o printf.o redir.o show.o trap.o var.o builtins.o init.o nodes.o syntax.o -ll -ledit -ltermcap arith_lex.o: Undefined symbol `_yywrap' referenced from text segment arith_lex.o: Undefined symbol `_yywrap' referenced from text segment -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 12:11:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19693 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lor.watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19683 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@lor.watermarkgroup.com) Received: (from luoqi@localhost) by lor.watermarkgroup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00379; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luoqi) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Luoqi Chen Message-Id: <199805151911.PAA00379@lor.watermarkgroup.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: Panic with yesterday's kernel Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > My kernel (from sources of 13th) paniced with the following during "make > world". > > May 15 18:25:00 caerdonn savecore: reboot after panic: ffs_blkfree: freeing free block > May 15 18:25:00 caerdonn savecore: writing core to /var/crash/vmcore.8 > May 15 18:25:25 caerdonn savecore: writing kernel to /var/crash/kernel.8 > > I've a dump but gdb seems to have difficulties reading it so I can't "up" > and print structures. > > #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:296 > #1 0xf0114426 in panic (fmt=0xf0169d80 "ffs_blkfree: freeing free block") > at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:436 > #2 0xf0169f77 in ffs_blkfree (ip=0xf3fe2e3c, bno=10544, size=8192) > at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_alloc.c:1359 > #3 0xf016f12c in softdep_setup_directory_add (bp=0xf3fe2e3c, dp=0x146e0, > diroffset=0x0000000c00000000, newinum=-201445844, newdirbp=0xf09a3000) > at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:2177 > #4 0xf016ee10 in indir_trunc (ip=0xf09a3000, dbn=0, level=-260335172, > lbn=-201495808, countp=0xf3fe2f8c) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:2030 > #5 0xf016cfac in checklimit (resource=0x0, islocked=-266547532) > at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:672 > #6 0xf013580e in sched_sync () at ../../kern/vfs_subr.c:958 > #7 0xf010773e in kproc_start (udata=0xf01cceb4) at ../../kern/init_main.c:245 > #8 0xf018d379 in Xfastintr1 () > cannot read proc at 0 The dump is definitely corrupted. sched_sync() doesn't call checklimit(), checklimit() doesn't call indir_trunc(), indir_trunc() doesn't call softdep_setup_directory_add()... -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 12:51:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22844 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22839 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27702; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd027700; Fri May 15 19:49:41 1998 Message-ID: <355C9C51.15FB7483@whistle.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:49:37 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vallo Kallaste CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Comment for softupdates References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vallo Kallaste wrote: > > Hello ! > > I'm using softupdates for a while now and keep getting messages like > these: > > May 14 22:10:41 myhakas /kernel: setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk > -2061 > May 14 22:10:43 myhakas /kernel: setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk > -12 > May 14 22:11:35 myhakas /kernel: setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk > -12 > > Sorry about wrapping. > > These messages appear while doing make world (with -j8 or above) and/or > under massive disk i/o. The "blk -12" message appears a lot more than > others. > BTW there are no panics anymore and I can do what I want, thanks. > My machine is an ordinary Pentium 166 UP with eide disks. > > Vallo Kallaste > vallo@matti.ee > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message they are not to be worried about.. it may be more comforting for you if you comment out the message in ufs/ffs/fs_softdep.c :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 13:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24870 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24858 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22716; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd022703; Fri May 15 13:06:12 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16096; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:10 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805152006.NAA16096@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Undefined symbol "___error" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:06:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805150306.NAA16946@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at May 15, 98 01:06:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Provided that weak symbols are handled properly when there is more than > one weak symbol for the same name, yes. Remember that libpthread needs > to have a non-weak __error symbol that can override the one in libc > *and the errno.h header in you example) for kernel threads. Yes; I'm assuming the tools actually do what the documentation says they do... 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 13:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27227 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27221 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02956; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:20:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/netinet in_pcb.c in_pcb.h ip_divert.c raw_ip.c tcp_subr.c tcp_var.h udp_usrreq.c udp_var.h src/sys/sys socketvar.h un.h ... In-Reply-To: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Convert socket structures to be type-stable and add a version number. My preference would have been to make the socket structures simply be a part of the PCB structures, thus allocating everything in one swell foop. However, I was not able to convince myself that one or the other could not exist ``bare'', so I took the easy way out. > Define a parameter which indicates the maximum number of sockets in a > system, and use this to size the zone allocators used for sockets and > for certain PCBs. This is called `maxsockets', and is currently defined to be the maximum of `maxfiles' and `nmbclusters'. Suggestions for a better value would be appreciated. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 13:21:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27447 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27388; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02838; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:19:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805152019.PAA02838@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <2028.895222610@critter.freebsd.dk> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "May 15, 98 10:56:50 am" To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:19:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp said: > In message <199805150738.CAA03075@dyson.iquest.net>, "John S. Dyson" writes: > > >I just removed my WC "improvements", by adding the return to the > >subroutine in the pmap code. See if it is more friendly. The > >symptoms appear to be those associated with improper setting of > >WC mode for a display adaptor. I had to add a heuristic to make > >it work correctly on one of my cards, but I guess it was bad. > > > >The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more > >research into the issue. > > I would expect WC to break any and all accelerated adapters that > communicate with the graphics engine through the ram window... > > What is needed is to XFree86 to be able to madvise the true frame > buffer as "Write-combine" and leave the rest of the ram window > unaffected. > There are two forms of PCI RAM. One type is prefetchable and the other type isn't. The problem is that some adaptors might be specifying that some ram is prefechable when it isn't. My Matrox specifies them correctly, but my S3 Motion 771 doesn't. I added a heuristic so that the S3 could use the WC mode, but could have broken other adaptors. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 13:28:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28445 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:28:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28403; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03022; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:27:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805152027.PAA03022@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <19980515224353.26233@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> from David Dawes at "May 15, 98 10:43:53 pm" To: dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (David Dawes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:27:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Dawes said: > > What were you using to determine when to enable WC? > I was using the MEMORY (and MEMORYP) map flag in the pci config. I mistakenly added a heuristic that on a video adaptor that didn't have any prefechable regions that the one memory region that wasn't really was. (I have an S3 adaptor that didn't sense the memory properly and it specified that none of the memory was prefetchable, so I added the heuristic.) Of course, what I did was wrong. A simple check for prefechable regions only would have likely worked, but I wanted something better :-(. Do you have any "neat tricks" to work around errant info given by display adaptors (like the Motion 771???) (It specifies no prefechable regions.) -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 13:35:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29359 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29340 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03073; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:35:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805152035.PAA03073@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: libc corruption In-Reply-To: from Kris Kennaway at "May 15, 98 11:50:37 pm" To: kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Kris Kennaway) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:35:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway said: > [morden|root] 23:39 ~/trash strings libc.a | grep SYS > SYS_nlstat > SYS_nfstat > SYS_nstat > SYS_netbsd_msync > SYS_lutimes > SYS_netbsd_lchown > SYS_lchmod > SYS_getdents > SYS_futimes > > (~/trash holds the corrupted version) > > I cant seem to find these symbols defined anywhere in the > /usr/src/lib/libc tree - any ideas where they came from? Anyone want to > take a look at the strange library? :-) I'm running softupdates on this > partition - it's possible there was some kind of corruption there. > Those are symbols created from the kernel list of system calls. > > Alternatively, if there's an easier way to do the above, could someone > point it out in case I'm in this situation again? > Always save off a working root/usr filesystem (I use a spare partition.) Recovery is still painful, but that is what I do. Also, when heavily developing, I don't use shared libs much, except for ports and X. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 14:23:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07069 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07039 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbackus@plex.nl) Received: from ascend1p8.urc.tue.nl [131.155.211.38] by kweetal.tue.nl (8.8.8) for id XAA27475 (ESMTP). Fri, 15 May 1998 23:23:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (qmail 334 invoked by uid 1000); 15 May 1998 21:23:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19980515232335.A301@mp-c.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:23:35 +0200 From: Jos Backus To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Kernel panic: lockmgr: locking against myself Reply-To: Jos Backus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, I'm trying to move my FreeBSD partition from sd1 to sd0. While trying to disklabel /dev/rsd0s4 using sysinstall the system panics, and savecore says: dumplo = 65536 (128 * 512) savecore: reboot after panic: lockmgr: locking against myself savecore: system went down at Fri May 15 23:07:07 1998 savecore: no dump, not enough free space on device More info: # fdisk sd0 ******* Working on device /dev/rsd0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=530 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=530 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 5,(Extended DOS) start 2056320, size 2265165 (1106 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 128/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 268/ sector 63/ head 254 The data for partition 2 is: sysid 6,(Primary 'big' DOS (> 32MB)) start 16065, size 2040255 (996 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 1/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 127/ sector 63/ head 254 The data for partition 3 is: sysid 10,(OS/2 Boot Manager or OPUS) start 63, size 16002 (7 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; end: cyl 0/ sector 63/ head 254 The data for partition 4 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 4321485, size 4192965 (2047 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 269/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 529/ sector 63/ head 254 This is with FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Wed May 13 23:36:35 CEST 1998 root@jos.mp-c.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/JOS ahc0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.10.0 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs scbus0 at ahc0 bus 0 ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device sd0 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access 4157MB (8515173 512 byte sectors) ahc0: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device sd1 at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 sd1: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) The Adaptec BIOS version is 1.32 (in case that matters). BIOS translation for drives > 1GB is turned on. I tried doing this with the latest boot.flp, with identical results. Thanks for any info anyone may be able to provide! Cheers, -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/ "Modularity is not a hack." _/ _/ _/ -- D. J. Bernstein _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ jbackus@plex.nl _/_/ _/_/_/ use Std::Disclaimer; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 14:39:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09824 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f51.hotmail.com [207.82.250.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09818 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brianfeldman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 14917 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 1998 21:39:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19980515213912.14916.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.76.201.196 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:39:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.76.201.196] From: "Brian Feldman" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SoftUpdates stable?? Yes, it's not SU's fault! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:39:12 PDT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After more usage, the problem is not softupdates'. I am running just on the same system I was before with a week of uptime. The disks are all mounted async, and the kernel has no softupdates code. AFter a day of being up, the box got the same terrible symptom: utterly frozen. Considering that this only happened recently, I will try to CVSup to the kernel code I was running when I built my last kernel about a week ago, and from there see if I get the same stabiliyu as I had at that time. Once again, this does _not_ seem to be softupdates's fault at all. Brian Feldman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 15:42:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18144 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18139 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03661; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd003658; Fri May 15 22:36:16 1998 Message-ID: <355CC35D.2F1CF0FB@whistle.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:36:13 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Wollman CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/netinet in_pcb.c in_pcb.h ip_divert.c raw_ip.c tcp_subr.c tcp_var.h udp_usrreq.c udp_var.h References: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > Convert socket structures to be type-stable and add a version number. > > My preference would have been to make the socket structures simply be > a part of the PCB structures, thus allocating everything in one swell > foop. However, I was not able to convince myself that one or the > other could not exist ``bare'', so I took the easy way out. thanks I'm playing with pcb's here without sockets.. (I'm tracking all tcp sessions running THROUGH a router. none of them terminate at the router but I'm using the tcp pcb fields and hashing to keep track of stuff gleened from the session. > > > Define a parameter which indicates the maximum number of sockets in a > > system, and use this to size the zone allocators used for sockets and > > for certain PCBs. > > This is called `maxsockets', and is currently defined to be the > maximum of `maxfiles' and `nmbclusters'. Suggestions for a better > value would be appreciated. > > -GAWollman > > -- > Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same > wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom > Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame > MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 16:24:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22309 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22262; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:23:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id JAA20471; Sat, 16 May 1998 09:23:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980516092352.17035@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:23:52 +1000 From: David Dawes To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? References: <19980515224353.26233@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> <199805152027.PAA03022@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199805152027.PAA03022@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 03:27:52PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 03:27:52PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: >David Dawes said: >> >> What were you using to determine when to enable WC? >> >I was using the MEMORY (and MEMORYP) map flag in the pci config. >I mistakenly added a heuristic that on a video adaptor that didn't >have any prefechable regions that the one memory region that wasn't >really was. (I have an S3 adaptor that didn't sense the memory properly >and it specified that none of the memory was prefetchable, so I >added the heuristic.) The S3 chips have a single memory window allocated in the PCI config. For the older chips (pre-[89]68 and pre-TrioV*) that is used solely for framebuffer access (and MMIO is done through the standard VGA 0xA0000 area). With the 964 card I have it doesn't appear to be marked prefetchable, but it would be safe to turn on WC for that. With the newer cards there is a single 64MB window. The low 32MB is for little-endian access and the high 32MB is for big-endian access. Of those areas, the low 16MB is for the framebuffer and the high 16MB is for MMIO. The whole lot would be marked as non-prefetchable, but the lower 16MB can have WC enabled and the higher 16MB can't. Mach64 cards have a single window too, with the framebuffer located at the start and the registers at the top of the 16MB window. I'm not sure if the newer ones offer an alternative to that or not, but the XFree86 Mach64 server uses that approach. Older versions mapped a single 16MB chunk, but current versions map it in two pieces. I'm sure that there are other quirky approaches taken with other video chips too. >Of course, what I did was wrong. A simple check for prefechable >regions only would have likely worked, but I wanted something better :-(. > >Do you have any "neat tricks" to work around errant info given by >display adaptors (like the Motion 771???) (It specifies no prefechable >regions.) The 771 uses the 968, and falls into the second category. To be safe, memory not marked as prefetchable can only have WC enabled with both knowledge of the hardware and knowledge of how the application is using the memory. Having a way of letting the X server indicate this is probably the best solution. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 16:39:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24934 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24920; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14751; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd014709; Fri May 15 16:38:54 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29708; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:38:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805152338.QAA29708@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:38:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805152027.PAA03022@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at May 15, 98 03:27:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Do you have any "neat tricks" to work around errant info given by > display adaptors (like the Motion 771???) (It specifies no prefechable > regions.) Sounds like a job for a "rogues list". If you added the madvise() option, the rogues list could be in user space, but it'd probably be too FreeBSD specific for it to be useful to people like David. It's probably something you'll have to do in the kernel, as glue between the detection and the reporting. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 16:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25320 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from top.worldcontrol.com (surf52.cruzers.com [205.215.232.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25314 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@worldcontrol.com) From: brian@worldcontrol.com Received: (qmail 6516 invoked by uid 100); 15 May 1998 23:42:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19980515164217.A6438@top.worldcontrol.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:42:17 -0700 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <19980514215018.6031.qmail@m2.findmail.com> <19980515115925.46642@deepo.prosa.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: <19980515115925.46642@deepo.prosa.dk>; from Philippe Regnauld on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 11:59:25AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On %M 0, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > No such luck. -current as of yesterday (SMP), new kernel, softupdates, > no async, and I got up this morning to find the box stuck in > DDB -- I did a tr but didn't write down -- I was already late > for work :-| But I do remember it concerned locking issues. Same here, except I can recreate it no problem. To get up to date on softupdates I: rm -rf /usr/src/sys cvsup'd a new standard-supfile at 5/14/1998. Applied CAM Added two soft updates files from web site. followed softupdate README instructions When I enable softupdates on my /uss partition its PANICs (drops into DDB) after about 3 minutes of uptime even is the system is basically idle. It does this very reliably. The system is an SMP 2xPP150, 64MB with only one hard disk. The Panic is something about dangling modifiers. If you want and can recreate the panic and provide more details. -- Brian Litzinger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 16:42:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25661 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25637; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16046; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:42:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd016023; Fri May 15 16:42:49 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29972; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:42:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805152342.QAA29972@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? To: dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (David Dawes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:42:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980516092352.17035@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> from "David Dawes" at May 16, 98 09:23:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ ... lots of chip quirks ... ] > Mach64 cards have a single window too, with the framebuffer located at > the start and the registers at the top of the 16MB window. I'm not sure > if the newer ones offer an alternative to that or not, but the XFree86 > Mach64 server uses that approach. Older versions mapped a single 16MB > chunk, but current versions map it in two pieces. > > I'm sure that there are other quirky approaches taken with other video > chips too. I take it back. Make it an madvise() argument, and let the people who know the video hardware keep the rogues list accurate. This is too much information available to video programmers but not to kernel rogues list programmers. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 16:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26358 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:45:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@tokyo-5.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26339; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA15347; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Greg Lehey , dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <199805150902.SAA24178@cain.gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 15 May 1998, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > The code is still in there, but I guess there is the need for more > > > research into the issue. > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but what's WC in this context? > It means Write-Combining, which you can enable on Pentium Pro and Pentium II > machine... It makes things Go Faster(tm) but I;m not sure what it does.. (ie > can someone please explain :) Since this is the case, then would it still affect P5s and similar chips? - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 17:04:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00128 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29924; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17395; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:03:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805160003.TAA17395@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: People having problems with X windows? In-Reply-To: <19980516092352.17035@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> from David Dawes at "May 16, 98 09:23:52 am" To: dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (David Dawes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:03:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The 771 uses the 968, and falls into the second category. To be safe, > memory not marked as prefetchable can only have WC enabled with both > knowledge of the hardware and knowledge of how the application is using > the memory. Having a way of letting the X server indicate this is > probably the best solution. > It seems that I'll need to supply a system call or ioctl or something that will allow for reconfig of the CPU registers. The new P6 processors allow for easier control, but with the P6 and earlier PII processors, I'll have to do an IPI. I'll put this on my list (and am willing to accept ideas from other OSen that you support, to help minimize support issues for you.) Madvise doesn't seem to be quite "right", but I am willing to support it with that system call, if you think that it is best. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 18:00:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08841 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08774 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: (from brian@localhost) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14913; Sat, 16 May 1998 01:57:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:57:31 +0100 (BST) From: Brian Somers Message-Id: <199805160057.BAA14913@awfulhak.org> To: brianfeldman@hotmail.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@whistle.com, opsys@mail.webspan.net Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, my machine's locked up again ! No softupdates and it happened when I tried to access an NFS mount from X - I *really* suspect that's the problem, not softupdates at all ! -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 18:00:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08903 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08882 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14577; Sat, 16 May 1998 01:45:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805160045.BAA14577@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Julian Elischer cc: Brian Somers , Open Systems Networking , Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 01:24:28 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:45:12 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I turned off softupdates on everything and experienced the same lockup ! I've now re-built my kernel & lkms from scratch and am running with no softupdates. If the machine survives the night, I'll turn on softupdates (& no async FSs) and see how things go :-/ > try making tmp softupdates rather than sync > (it's better because softupdates can decide that a deleted file never > nneds to be written (it cancels the write) > whereas async will write the block anyhow for no reason.) > > I will admit that my test machine has not been running X11 > I will correct that oversight tomorrow > > > > On Fri, 15 May 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > > > Same problems here - I have /tmp async and not soft-updated. The > > rest is soft-updated and not async. The locks under X are quick & > > bad (about 10-15 minutes after starting X) - not even BREAK on a > > serial console gets a look-in. [.....] -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 18:22:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11726 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11721 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.0.178.21]) by ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA13347 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:22:25 -0700 Message-ID: <355CEA12.1742152F@home.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:21:22 -0700 From: Craig Burgess Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 18:28:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12250 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12243 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09947; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805160127.SAA09947@rah.star-gate.com> To: Brian Somers cc: Julian Elischer , Open Systems Networking , Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 01:45:12 BST." <199805160045.BAA14577@awfulhak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9944.895282036.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:27:16 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Puff, Puff, I am really trying to crash the system with softupdates and my system refuses to crash 8) I did a make world and a rebuilt the kernel about 2 days ago. I am not using NFS and my test box is UP P133. Cheers, Amancio P.S.: I am also running X -- S3 968 with 4MB of VRAM. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 18:43:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14126 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f153.hotmail.com [207.82.251.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14120 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brianfeldman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 15919 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 1998 01:42:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980516014250.15918.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 153.34.240.133 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:42:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [153.34.240.133] From: "Brian Feldman" To: julian@whistle.com, brian@Awfulhak.org Cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, brianfeldman@hotmail.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:42:49 PDT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yep, Brian, that's exactly what I'm doing here; as I said, I'll come back with more info when more info exists. Brian Feldman >From brian@awfulhak.org Fri May 15 18:01:00 1998 >Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14577; > Sat, 16 May 1998 01:45:14 +0100 (BST) > (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) >Message-Id: <199805160045.BAA14577@awfulhak.org> >X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 >To: Julian Elischer >cc: Brian Somers , > Open Systems Networking , > Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? >In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 01:24:28 PDT." > >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:45:12 +0100 >From: Brian Somers > >I turned off softupdates on everything and experienced the same >lockup ! I've now re-built my kernel & lkms from scratch and am >running with no softupdates. If the machine survives the night, I'll >turn on softupdates (& no async FSs) and see how things go :-/ > >> try making tmp softupdates rather than sync >> (it's better because softupdates can decide that a deleted file never >> nneds to be written (it cancels the write) >> whereas async will write the block anyhow for no reason.) >> >> I will admit that my test machine has not been running X11 >> I will correct that oversight tomorrow >> >> >> >> On Fri, 15 May 1998, Brian Somers wrote: >> >> > Same problems here - I have /tmp async and not soft-updated. The >> > rest is soft-updated and not async. The locks under X are quick & >> > bad (about 10-15 minutes after starting X) - not even BREAK on a >> > serial console gets a look-in. >[.....] >-- >Brian , , > >Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 19:16:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17592 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17587 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04061; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:16:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:16:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805160216.WAA04061@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Guido van Rooij Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/fingerd fingerd.c In-Reply-To: <199805152301.BAA03572@gvr.gvr.org> References: <199805150323.UAA10174@freefall.freebsd.org> <199805152301.BAA03572@gvr.gvr.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > With the code I committed to inetd, you can get actually completely > delete the NOPUSH code, and specify tcp/ttcp in inetd. However, > I was under the impression that fingerd no longer has TCP_NOPUSH > enabled by default!? No, there was never any reason why it should be disabled in fingerd. All TCP_NOPUSH does is prevent the sender-TCP from sending out tinygrams in the name of write boundary preservation. In the case of fingerd, what that meant was that the entire reply was usually buffered until the socket was closed. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 19:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20239 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20232 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04085; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:41:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805160241.WAA04085@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Julian Elischer Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/netinet in_pcb.c in_pcb.h ip_divert.c raw_ip.c tcp_subr.c tcp_var.h udp_usrreq.c udp_var.h In-Reply-To: <355CC35D.2F1CF0FB@whistle.com> References: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <355CC35D.2F1CF0FB@whistle.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: [I wrote:] >> My preference would have been to make the socket structures simply be >> a part of the PCB structures, thus allocating everything in one swell >> foop. However, I was not able to convince myself that one or the >> other could not exist ``bare'', so I took the easy way out. > thanks You're not welcome :-( . > I'm playing with pcb's here without sockets.. I don't believe that such a situation is correct (at least with respect to the architecture of the network code). The only reason I left things as they were was because I didn't have the time to trace through the TCP state machine to ensure that sofree() could never actually succeed until the connection was out of TIME_WAIT. I believe that that is how it is supposed to be, as differentiated from how it may or may not actually be. In any case, you would still be free to allocate PCBs all you want; you just wouldn't be able to run them through the usual code path, and you could get hit with an extra 160 bytes per allocation (of which 72 comes from the socket buffers, lose lose). One of the things I hope to achive by this, besides reducing the overhead of creating a socket, is to eliminate the so_pcb, inp_socket, inp_ppcb type references by replacing them with pointer arithmetic. For example: #define sotoinpcb(so) (struct inpcb *)(so) #define inptosocket(inp) (struct socket *)(inp) #define inptotcpcb(inp) (struct tcpcb *)(inp) /* open-coded for clarity */ struct tcpcb { union { struct inpcb { union { struct socket inpu_so; char align[ALIGN(sizeof(struct socket))]; } inp_inpu; #define inp_so inp_inpu.inpu_so ... } tu_inp; char align[ALIGN(sizeof(struct inpcb))]; } tp_tu; #define tp_inp tp_tu.tu_inp ... }; This might be clearer if written in C++ style: class tcpcb : public inpcb { // alignment // ... }; class inpcb : public socket { // alignment // ... }; Now, in the long run, `struct inpcb' as such wants to go away entirely, but it will be a long time before we are able to take such a step. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 19:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20712 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p146.tfs.net [139.146.210.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20705 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA16647 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 21:44:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199805160244.VAA16647@unix.tfs.net> Subject: ahc0 - translation for drives > 1G To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Mar 8 12:29:10 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does -current support geometry translations for drives > 1G, aka the adaptec bios option to do so? jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 22:00:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00643 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00636 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id WAA24806; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:56:03 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199805160456.WAA24806@narnia.plutotech.com> To: jbryant@unix.tfs.net cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ahc0 - translation for drives > 1G Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.current In-Reply-To: <199805160244.VAA16647@unix.tfs.net> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199805160244.VAA16647@unix.tfs.net> you wrote: > > Does -current support geometry translations for drives > 1G, aka the > adaptec bios option to do so? > > jim FreeBSD doesn't care very much about the translation. The only time it matters is for booting. For your boot device, you must ensure that the fdisk information matches the geometry set in the BIOS so that the boot blocks are placed in the correct location for the BIOS to find them. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 22:17:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02043 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pobox.com ([208.141.230.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02019 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by pobox.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id AAA02498; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:17:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:17:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805160517.AAA02498@pobox.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: as chokes on cc output X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm getting messages like so: /var/tmp/ccro2473.s:26621: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction from asm lines like so: #APP fldln2; fxch; fyl2x #NO_APP in gcc-generated code. I'm clueless w.r.t. intel asm code and binutils. What's the deal? It's a bug, anyhow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 22:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05259 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from majesticnet.com (host14.majestic.sysci.org [205.227.182.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA05254 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@majesticnet.com) From: ian@majesticnet.com Received: (qmail 29412 invoked by uid 509); 16 May 1998 05:47:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:47:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Brian Somers , Julian Elischer , Open Systems Networking , Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-Reply-To: <199805160127.SAA09947@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Similar situation here with regards to stability. Only I am running an over clocked PII@300, X with a Millenium2, using NFS as a client and actively serving 2-5 machines via samba. That and 'make -j8 buildworld' to keep the machine busy. Keep up the good work Julian! Ian Oh, I cvsup'd 2 days ago... > Puff, Puff, I am really trying to crash the system with softupdates > and my system refuses to crash 8) I did a make world and a rebuilt > the kernel about 2 days ago. > > I am not using NFS and my test box is UP P133. > > Cheers, > Amancio > P.S.: I am also running X -- S3 968 with 4MB of VRAM. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 15 23:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06421 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 23:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06415 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 23:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA32527; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:06:35 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:06:35 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805160606.QAA32527@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, pb@fasterix.freenix.org Subject: Re: yywrap missing ? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I get the following on a make world from yesterday's sources (CTM >patch 3370). Have I missed something ? > >cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/u2/usr/src/bin/sh -I/usr/obj/u2/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o sh alias.o arith.o arith_lex.o cd.o echo.o error.o eval.o exec.o expand.o histedit.o input.o jobs.o mail.o main.o memalloc.o miscbltin.o mystring.o options.o output.o parser.o printf.o redir.o show.o trap.o var.o builtins.o init.o nodes.o syntax.o -ll -ledit -ltermcap >arith_lex.o: Undefined symbol `_yywrap' referenced from text segment >arith_lex.o: Undefined symbol `_yywrap' referenced from text segment _yywrap should be in libl.a. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 01:29:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15258 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 01:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15253; Sat, 16 May 1998 01:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id QAA29907; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:29:33 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805160829.QAA29907@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG cc: kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Kris Kennaway), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libc corruption In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 15:35:38 EST." <199805152035.PAA03073@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:29:32 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "John S. Dyson" wrote: > Kris Kennaway said: > > [morden|root] 23:39 ~/trash strings libc.a | grep SYS > > SYS_nlstat > > SYS_nfstat > > SYS_nstat > > SYS_netbsd_msync > > SYS_lutimes > > SYS_netbsd_lchown > > SYS_lchmod > > SYS_getdents > > SYS_futimes > > > > (~/trash holds the corrupted version) > > > > I cant seem to find these symbols defined anywhere in the > > /usr/src/lib/libc tree - any ideas where they came from? Anyone want to > > take a look at the strange library? :-) I'm running softupdates on this > > partition - it's possible there was some kind of corruption there. > > > Those are symbols created from the kernel list of system calls. It's times like this that I'd really like to have a *seperate* list of syscalls and numbers stored in lib/libc explicitly. I've blown holes in my feet over this so many times that I don't have much of my feet left. :-] This will also insulate libc a little more from kernel syscall fiddling. I think the extra work in adding syscalls would be well worth it in return for the extra safety. It should be possible to roll kernel sources backwards and forwards without ending up with accidental libc symbol changes. To make it a little easier, perhaps have libc's syscall tables explicitly generated from the kernel sources and committed. That should make it a no-brainer to keep them in sync and yet will stop accidental leakage from the kernel into libc. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 02:40:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19312 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19307; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:40:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11548; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:40:10 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:40:10 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805160940.TAA11548@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, peter@netplex.com.au Subject: Re: libc corruption Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >To make it a little easier, perhaps have libc's syscall tables explicitly >generated from the kernel sources and committed. That should make it >a no-brainer to keep them in sync and yet will stop accidental leakage >from the kernel into libc. Better yet, generate the tables explicity and don't commit them anywhere. That should make it a no-brainer to keep them in sync and stop accidental blockage of the flow from the kernel into libc :-). The flow was apparently blocked by not installing includes before building libc. syscall.mk is included from ${.CURDIR}/../../sys, but syscall.h is included from . Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 02:40:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19366 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19361 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:40:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id LAA01978; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:40:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id LAA00903; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:39:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980516113951.A22541@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:39:51 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: Bruce Evans , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yywrap missing ? References: <199805160606.QAA32527@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: <199805160606.QAA32527@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 04:06:35PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 04:06:35PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > >arith_lex.o: Undefined symbol `_yywrap' referenced from text segment > >arith_lex.o: Undefined symbol `_yywrap' referenced from text segment > > _yywrap should be in libl.a. Mine is empty... Apparently it's a copy of libln.a, which is empty too: $ ls -l /usr/obj/u2/usr/src/usr.bin/lex/lib/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 76 15 mai 10:18 libln.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 76 15 mai 10:18 libln_p.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 141 15 mai 10:18 libmain.o -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 234 15 mai 10:18 libmain.po -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 72 15 mai 10:18 libyywrap.o -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 167 15 mai 10:18 libyywrap.po I assume there's something in the latest change to the lex Makefile that causes it to fail (this is the first time I rebuilt since it was changed). I'm a bit surprised no one else mentioned the problem, though. I don't see anything specific in my configuration that would cause it to behave differently from others... -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 02:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20229 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20224 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.4) with UUCP id KAA21487; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:50:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:38:02 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <354E9212.500F9F30@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:42:50 +0100 To: Julian Elischer From: Bob Bishop Subject: Soft update vs noatime Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Is there any reason not to use noatime with soft updates? -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 03:21:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22763 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 03:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (ns.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22758 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 03:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp) Received: from localhost (ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.138]) by mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id TAA15273; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:16:52 +0900 (JST) To: rb@gid.co.uk Cc: julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update vs noatime Reply-To: ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 10:42:50 +0100" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93b1 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980516191651U.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:16:51 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Bob Bishop Subject: Soft update vs noatime : : : rb> Is there any reason not to use noatime with soft updates? Yes, I do without any problem. I am running X-3.3.2, kde, xemacs, netscape 4.05, 3 kterms in which at least two makes are running at the same time. And some files are NFS'ed. This is my typical usage, and for these three days I have no problem at all so far. I am using P6@200Mhz x 1(ASUS P6NP5), 128MBDRAM, 4GBSCSI, and I softupdate /var, /home and /usr. Thanks to Julian. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 03:37:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24368 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 03:37:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24353 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 03:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09075; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:37:43 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA01459; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:37:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980516123741.53851@follo.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:37:41 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Bob Bishop , Julian Elischer Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update vs noatime References: <354E9212.500F9F30@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Bob Bishop on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:42:50AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:42:50AM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any reason not to use noatime with soft updates? Previously it changed some graphs, which broke soft updates. I don't know if that is fixed - personally, I'm not certain it need to be fixed, as writing the atime should be much less noticable with soft updates. We will of course need to deny noatime on a soft updated filesystem Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 04:24:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01500 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01494 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12798; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:24:41 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA01599; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:24:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980516132439.41449@follo.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:24:39 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Garrett Wollman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/netinet in_pcb.c in_pcb.h ip_divert.c raw_ip.c tcp_subr.c tcp_var.h udp_usrreq.c udp_var.h src/sys/sys socketvar.h un.h ... References: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from Garrett Wollman on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:20:56PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:20:56PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > Define a parameter which indicates the maximum number of sockets in a > > system, and use this to size the zone allocators used for sockets and > > for certain PCBs. > > This is called `maxsockets', and is currently defined to be the > maximum of `maxfiles' and `nmbclusters'. Suggestions for a better > value would be appreciated. What would be necessary to make it possible for this to be a dynamic datastructure, instead of having a maximum limit? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 04:39:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02902 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02876; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id TAA02040; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:39:07 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805161139.TAA02040@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Evans cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: libc corruption In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 19:40:10 +1000." <199805160940.TAA11548@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:39:06 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > >To make it a little easier, perhaps have libc's syscall tables explicitly > >generated from the kernel sources and committed. That should make it > >a no-brainer to keep them in sync and yet will stop accidental leakage > >from the kernel into libc. > > Better yet, generate the tables explicity and don't commit them anywhere. > That should make it a no-brainer to keep them in sync and stop accidental > blockage of the flow from the kernel into libc :-). This is the present situation and it's not working very well. Generating vnode_if.[ch] is another annoyance that I'd like to see eradicated. > Bruce -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 04:43:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03748 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03742 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:42:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id NAA07671; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:42:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id NAA01488; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980516134157.B22541@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:41:57 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: Bruce Evans , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yywrap missing ? References: <199805160606.QAA32527@godzilla.zeta.org.au> <19980516113951.A22541@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: <19980516113951.A22541@fasterix.frmug.fr.net>; from Pierre Beyssac on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 11:39:51AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 11:39:51AM +0200, Pierre Beyssac wrote: > $ ls -l /usr/obj/u2/usr/src/usr.bin/lex/lib/ > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 76 15 mai 10:18 libln.a > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 76 15 mai 10:18 libln_p.a Ok, never mind... Now it works. I didn't change a line, just did another make buildworld. It puzzles me. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 440 16 mai 12:43 libln.a -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 05:01:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA05348 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05336; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14014; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:01:16 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA01665; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:01:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980516140114.06581@follo.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:01:14 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Andrey A. Chernov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/ftpd ftpd.c References: <199805151506.IAA10867@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805151506.IAA10867@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Andrey A. Chernov on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 08:06:59AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 08:06:59AM -0700, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > ache 1998/05/15 08:06:58 PDT > > Modified files: > libexec/ftpd ftpd.c > Log: > Do TZ= as first thing, since FTP protocol is unable to tell zone offset in > any case. > > It makes no difference for anon account (since chroot already makes it GMT), > but if you do mirror with special non-anon login, in old variant > your mirror will be wholy retransmitted twice in the year due to > time zone changes (/etc/localtime plays bad role here) Hey! This sounds like it break my setups (I carefully clone /etc/localtime into /etc) by forcing everything to use GMT - does it? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 05:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07432 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07420; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA18632; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:12:55 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:12:55 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805161212.WAA18632@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, peter@netplex.com.au Subject: Re: libc corruption Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> >To make it a little easier, perhaps have libc's syscall tables explicitly >> >generated from the kernel sources and committed. That should make it >> >a no-brainer to keep them in sync and yet will stop accidental leakage >> >from the kernel into libc. >> >> Better yet, generate the tables explicity and don't commit them anywhere. >> That should make it a no-brainer to keep them in sync and stop accidental >> blockage of the flow from the kernel into libc :-). > >This is the present situation and it's not working very well. It isn't the present situation. We commit the tables to src/sys and use some tables from , some from src/sys/sys, and even some from src/sys/kern (see src/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c). We only generate the tables on the fly for truss (see src/usr.bin/truss/Makefile). >Generating vnode_if.[ch] is another annoyance that I'd like to see >eradicated. No, it actually works. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 05:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09433 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09419; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id UAA02664; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:36:34 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805161236.UAA02664@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Evans cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: libc corruption In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 22:12:55 +1000." <199805161212.WAA18632@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:36:34 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > >> >To make it a little easier, perhaps have libc's syscall tables explicitly > >> >generated from the kernel sources and committed. That should make it > >> >a no-brainer to keep them in sync and yet will stop accidental leakage > >> >from the kernel into libc. > >> > >> Better yet, generate the tables explicity and don't commit them anywhere. > >> That should make it a no-brainer to keep them in sync and stop accidental > >> blockage of the flow from the kernel into libc :-). > > > >This is the present situation and it's not working very well. > > It isn't the present situation. We commit the tables to src/sys and > use some tables from , some from src/sys/sys, and even some from > src/sys/kern (see src/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c). We only generate the > tables on the fly for truss (see src/usr.bin/truss/Makefile). I'm talking about libc.. The syscall stub list is generated on the fly and the binary interface is affected. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 05:48:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10526 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.125.27.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10521 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12309; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:48:12 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Message-ID: <19980516164812.A12243@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:48:12 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Eivind Eklund , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/ftpd ftpd.c Mail-Followup-To: Eivind Eklund , current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805151506.IAA10867@freefall.freebsd.org> <19980516140114.06581@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980516140114.06581@follo.net>; from eivind@yes.no on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 02:01:14PM +0200 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 02:01:14PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > Hey! This sounds like it break my setups (I carefully clone > /etc/localtime into /etc) by forcing everything to use GMT - > does it? /etc/localtime cloning not described in any anon ftp account setup and is non-standard. Moreover doing so you can produce only mess because FTP protocol can't tell timezone in anycase, i.e. GMT is best assumption otherwise all dates and times printed out are not more then junk, they not means anything _real_ because outside connections can't assume anything excepting GMT. If you can't pass parameter outside (time zone offset) just don't use it, otherwise you have hand full of fake dates. When FTP protocol will implement zoneinfo setup, forcing GMT will be removed. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ MTH/SH/HE S-- W-- N+ PEC>+ D A a++ C G>+ QH+(++) 666+>++ Y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 05:50:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10877 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10872 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.4) with UUCP id NAA22194; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:49:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:47:53 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980516123741.53851@follo.net> References: ; from Bob Bishop on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:42:50AM +0100 <354E9212.500F9F30@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:52:42 +0100 To: Eivind Eklund From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Soft update vs noatime Cc: Julian Elischer , current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:37 pm +0200 16/5/98, Eivind Eklund wrote: >On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:42:50AM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there any reason not to use noatime with soft updates? > >Previously it changed some graphs, which broke soft updates.[etc] That's what I wanted to know. FWIW, buildworld time here with softupdates is just about identical with what it used to be with async,noatime. I was just wondering about any further improvement. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 06:00:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11705 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.125.27.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11699 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12473; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:00:04 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Message-ID: <19980516170003.A12451@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:00:03 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Eivind Eklund , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [2] cvs commit: src/libexec/ftpd ftpd.c Mail-Followup-To: Eivind Eklund , current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805151506.IAA10867@freefall.freebsd.org> <19980516140114.06581@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980516140114.06581@follo.net>; from eivind@yes.no on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 02:01:14PM +0200 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 02:01:14PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > Hey! This sounds like it break my setups (I carefully clone > /etc/localtime into /etc) by forcing everything to use GMT - > does it? Fake dates you produce using /etc/localtime is evil, imagine date mismatches between stuff copied from ftp mirror and made localy in tar archive. They even can broke 'make' process f.e. The same about CDROM writing. They are all fake in your case, because outside connections can assume GMT only due to lack of timezone support in FTP protocol. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ MTH/SH/HE S-- W-- N+ PEC>+ D A a++ C G>+ QH+(++) 666+>++ Y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 06:35:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14927 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14922; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA22512; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:34:39 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:34:39 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805161334.XAA22512@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, peter@netplex.com.au Subject: Re: libc corruption Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> >This is the present situation and it's not working very well. >> >> It isn't the present situation. We commit the tables to src/sys and >> use some tables from , some from src/sys/sys, and even some from >> src/sys/kern (see src/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c). We only generate the >> tables on the fly for truss (see src/usr.bin/truss/Makefile). > >I'm talking about libc.. The syscall stub list is generated on the fly >and the binary interface is affected. I'm talking about libc and the rest of the userland build too. The syscall stub list (syscall.mk)is not generated on the fly. It is generated together with syscall.h, etc., by running `make init_sysent.c' in src/sys/kern and committing the results. Since this is not automatic, errors are often made the binary interface is not affected consistently like it should be. Common errors include: - forgetting to commit some of the changed files. - not bootstrapping the changes properly (syscalls.master must be committed first and then used to regenerate syscall.mk, etc. Otherwise the Id for the source file in the generated files is garbage). Bugs include: - src/sys/kern/Makefile doesn't know about syscall.mk. - checking out generated files sometimes breaks dependencies by clobbering timestamps. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 07:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22763 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lor.watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22747 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@lor.watermarkgroup.com) Received: (from luoqi@localhost) by lor.watermarkgroup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02606; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luoqi) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Luoqi Chen Message-Id: <199805161453.KAA02606@lor.watermarkgroup.com> To: alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: as chokes on cc output Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm getting messages like so: > /var/tmp/ccro2473.s:26621: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction > from asm lines like so: > #APP > fldln2; fxch; fyl2x > #NO_APP > in gcc-generated code. I'm clueless w.r.t. intel asm code and binutils. What's > the deal? It's a bug, anyhow. These are i387 instructions. The problem is that gas doesn't know fxch is a shorthand for fxch %st(1). Just add the parameter %st(1), like __asm__("fldln2; fxch %st(1); fyl2x"); -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 08:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25100 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25090; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id XAA04319; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:18:15 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805161518.XAA04319@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Evans cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: libc corruption In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 23:34:39 +1000." <199805161334.XAA22512@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:18:14 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > >> >This is the present situation and it's not working very well. > >> > >> It isn't the present situation. We commit the tables to src/sys and > >> use some tables from , some from src/sys/sys, and even some from > >> src/sys/kern (see src/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c). We only generate the > >> tables on the fly for truss (see src/usr.bin/truss/Makefile). > > > >I'm talking about libc.. The syscall stub list is generated on the fly > >and the binary interface is affected. > > I'm talking about libc and the rest of the userland build too. The > syscall stub list (syscall.mk)is not generated on the fly. It is > generated together with syscall.h, etc., by running `make init_sysent.c' > in src/sys/kern and committing the results. Yikes, I was not paying enough attention when syscall.mk came in. I wasn't aware of it's purpose. IMHO, it should be in lib/libc/sys or lib/ libc/i386/ somewhere. > Since this is not automatic, > errors are often made the binary interface is not affected consistently > like it should be. I would argue that a change to the binary interface should be a deliberate thing, not something that's a side effect of a kernel change. I'd be happier if syscall.mk was generated by something under the libc build area when the committer chooses to build it from syscalls.master and otherwise seperate to the kernel. > Common errors include: > - forgetting to commit some of the changed files. I'd be guilty of that for the signanosleep nuke. I would have missed syscall.mk since I didn't know about it. > - not bootstrapping the changes properly (syscalls.master must be committed > first and then used to regenerate syscall.mk, etc. Otherwise the Id for > the source file in the generated files is garbage). Yes, a common problem, but it's hardly going to break your shared libraray linkake. Oh, I forgot, you don't like them anymore. > Bugs include: > - src/sys/kern/Makefile doesn't know about syscall.mk. Yes. > - checking out generated files sometimes breaks dependencies by clobbering > timestamps. CVS tries to be smarter in that it checks out files with their commit timestamps if there are no local modifications. I could imagine that this might be problematic if all the *syscall* files were wronly committed in one go, but the extent of the damage is limited to what happens if somebody tries to do a make of init_sysent.c or something in src/sys/kern, something that nobody would normally do unless syscalls.master was changed. > Bruce > Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 08:21:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25448 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25440 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id XAA04364; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:20:32 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805161520.XAA04364@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Luoqi Chen cc: alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: as chokes on cc output In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 10:53:44 -0400." <199805161453.KAA02606@lor.watermarkgroup.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:20:31 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luoqi Chen wrote: > > I'm getting messages like so: > > /var/tmp/ccro2473.s:26621: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction > > from asm lines like so: > > #APP > > fldln2; fxch; fyl2x > > #NO_APP > > in gcc-generated code. I'm clueless w.r.t. intel asm code and binutils. W hat's > > the deal? It's a bug, anyhow. > > These are i387 instructions. The problem is that gas doesn't know fxch is > a shorthand for fxch %st(1). Just add the parameter %st(1), like > __asm__("fldln2; fxch %st(1); fyl2x"); Is the original line gcc generated code or an inline asm statement? If gcc generated it, it should be a simple fix.. > -lq > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 08:35:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28220 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28213 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA28755; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:32:15 +1000 Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:32:15 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805161532.BAA28755@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, luoqi@watermarkgroup.com Subject: Re: as chokes on cc output Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> I'm getting messages like so: >> /var/tmp/ccro2473.s:26621: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction >> from asm lines like so: >> #APP >> fldln2; fxch; fyl2x >> #NO_APP >> in gcc-generated code. I'm clueless w.r.t. intel asm code and binutils. What's >> the deal? It's a bug, anyhow. > >These are i387 instructions. The problem is that gas doesn't know fxch is >a shorthand for fxch %st(1). Just add the parameter %st(1), like > __asm__("fldln2; fxch %st(1); fyl2x"); I think I understand why gcc is generating this. #APP is generated for inline asm, and someone who doesn't know gas syntax wrote the asm :-). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 09:07:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01949 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01930; Sat, 16 May 1998 09:06:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA30466; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:03:13 +1000 Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:03:13 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805161603.CAA30466@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, peter@netplex.com.au Subject: Re: libc corruption Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Yikes, I was not paying enough attention when syscall.mk came in. I >wasn't aware of it's purpose. IMHO, it should be in lib/libc/sys or lib/ >libc/i386/ somewhere. > >> Since this is not automatic, >> errors are often made the binary interface is not affected consistently >> like it should be. > >I would argue that a change to the binary interface should be a deliberate >thing, not something that's a side effect of a kernel change. I'd be >happier if syscall.mk was generated by something under the libc build area >when the committer chooses to build it from syscalls.master and otherwise >seperate to the kernel. I can't think of any cases where it would be correct to commit changes to add or remove a syscall from the kernel without updating the library. For development of changes you^H^H^HI normally want the changes to be propagated automatically. >> - checking out generated files sometimes breaks dependencies by clobbering >> timestamps. > >CVS tries to be smarter in that it checks out files with their commit >timestamps if there are no local modifications. I could imagine that this >might be problematic if all the *syscall* files were wronly committed in >one go, but the extent of the damage is limited to what happens if >somebody tries to do a make of init_sysent.c or something in src/sys/kern, >something that nobody would normally do unless syscalls.master was changed. It can't do that for updates since it would break at least Makefile dependencies on changed files. Small updates tend to give all the updated files the same (current) time. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 09:25:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04450 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04430 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 09:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA20676 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:25:13 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA02158; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:25:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980516182511.30534@follo.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:25:11 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [2] cvs commit: src/libexec/ftpd ftpd.c References: <199805151506.IAA10867@freefall.freebsd.org> <19980516140114.06581@follo.net> <19980516170003.A12451@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C19980516170003=2EA12451=40nagual=2Epp=2Eru=3E=3B_from_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7_on_Sat=2C_May_16=2C?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_1998_at_05=3A00=3A03PM_+0400?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 05:00:03PM +0400, áÎÄÒÅÊ þÅÒÎÏ× wrote: > On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 02:01:14PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > Hey! This sounds like it break my setups (I carefully clone > > /etc/localtime into /etc) by forcing everything to use GMT - > > does it? > > Fake dates you produce using /etc/localtime is evil, imagine date > mismatches between stuff copied from ftp mirror and made localy in tar > archive. They even can broke 'make' process f.e. The same about CDROM > writing. They're only a problem for mirrored FTP sites. This is not the most common case; supporting this case is fine, but breaking things for everybody else is IMO not an acceptable tradeoff. > They are all fake in your case, because outside connections can > assume GMT only due to lack of timezone support in FTP protocol. They're not at all fake - they're displayed to the user by e.g. 'ls', and the user get the time they should expect. I'd request that you either back this change out or provide it as an option (the latter being the best option). I don't think it should be the default case; it breaks POLA not to be able to make things display the right times, as seen from a users perspective. Eivind, who wish all the world was UTC. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 10:51:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12735 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:51:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12723 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09343; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805161751.NAA09343@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Garrett Wollman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/netinet in_pcb.c in_pcb.h ip_divert.c raw_ip.c tcp_subr.c tcp_var.h udp_usrreq.c udp_var.h src/sys/sys socketvar.h un.h ... In-Reply-To: <19980516132439.41449@follo.net> References: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <19980516132439.41449@follo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: >> This is called `maxsockets', and is currently defined to be the >> maximum of `maxfiles' and `nmbclusters'. Suggestions for a better >> value would be appreciated. > What would be necessary to make it possible for this to be a dynamic > datastructure, instead of having a maximum limit? Can't be done. The limit is there because we can't expand the VM space the zone allocator uses at interrupt time. Dyson can probably explain why this is. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 11:02:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13988 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13955 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22890; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:01:58 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA03962; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:01:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980516200156.30364@follo.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:01:56 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Garrett Wollman Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/netinet in_pcb.c in_pcb.h ip_divert.c raw_ip.c tcp_subr.c tcp_var.h udp_usrreq.c udp_var.h src/sys/sys socketvar.h un.h ... References: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <19980516132439.41449@follo.net> <199805161751.NAA09343@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805161751.NAA09343@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from Garrett Wollman on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 01:51:48PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 01:51:48PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> This is called `maxsockets', and is currently defined to be the > >> maximum of `maxfiles' and `nmbclusters'. Suggestions for a better > >> value would be appreciated. > > > What would be necessary to make it possible for this to be a dynamic > > datastructure, instead of having a maximum limit? > > Can't be done. The limit is there because we can't expand the VM > space the zone allocator uses at interrupt time. Dyson can probably > explain why this is. As can probably I :-) To get around that problem, I'd expand the VM space in the top half of the kernel ("somewhere suitable") when it looked like we were "close to" running out of space (ie, close to the maxsockets case), and probably start out with maxsockets somewhat smaller. (There are, of course, a lot of opportunities for high-water/low-water mark magic around this). Does it sound doable? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 11:04:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14284 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14279 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09400; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:04:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805161804.OAA09400@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Garrett Wollman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/netinet in_pcb.c in_pcb.h ip_divert.c raw_ip.c tcp_subr.c tcp_var.h udp_usrreq.c udp_var.h src/sys/sys socketvar.h un.h ... In-Reply-To: <19980516200156.30364@follo.net> References: <199805152011.NAA12272@freefall.freebsd.org> <199805152020.QAA02956@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <19980516132439.41449@follo.net> <199805161751.NAA09343@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <19980516200156.30364@follo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > To get around that problem, I'd expand the VM space in the top half of > the kernel ("somewhere suitable") when it looked like we were "close > to" running out of space (ie, close to the maxsockets case), and If you want to do the work, be my guest. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 11:13:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15454 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15445 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11629; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805161812.LAA11629@austin.polstra.com> To: hetzels@westbend.net Subject: Re: Periodic file for CVSup In-Reply-To: <013501bd79e6$f601e440$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net> References: <013501bd79e6$f601e440$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:12:54 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <013501bd79e6$f601e440$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net>, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > To determine the SUP program, SUP flags, and SUP file, the script obtains > these values from the make.conf file. > > Any suggestions for improvements. Just a comment -- as far as I know, there aren't any FreeBSD sup servers any more. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 12:11:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22712 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22707 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24522; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd024510; Sat May 16 19:05:55 1998 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Bob Bishop cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update vs noatime In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have not tested that combination however I think that softupdates may make no-atime less useful. (though leaving atimes out totally would still be most efficient) On Sat, 16 May 1998, Bob Bishop wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any reason not to use noatime with soft updates? > > > -- > Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 > rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 12:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22796 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22771 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24534; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd024531; Sat May 16 19:07:02 1998 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Eivind Eklund cc: Bob Bishop , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update vs noatime In-Reply-To: <19980516123741.53851@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG you're confusing noatime and async.. On Sat, 16 May 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:42:50AM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is there any reason not to use noatime with soft updates? > > Previously it changed some graphs, which broke soft updates. I don't > know if that is fixed - personally, I'm not certain it need to be > fixed, as writing the atime should be much less noticable with soft > updates. We will of course need to deny noatime on a soft updated > filesystem > > Eivind. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 13:13:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29659 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29652; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22397; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd022382; Sat May 16 13:13:35 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08439; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:13:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805162013.NAA08439@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: libc corruption To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:13:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805160829.QAA29907@spinner.netplex.com.au> from "Peter Wemm" at May 16, 98 04:29:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Those are symbols created from the kernel list of system calls. > > It's times like this that I'd really like to have a *seperate* list of > syscalls and numbers stored in lib/libc explicitly. I've blown holes in > my feet over this so many times that I don't have much of my feet left. :-] [ ... ] > To make it a little easier, perhaps have libc's syscall tables explicitly > generated from the kernel sources and committed. That should make it > a no-brainer to keep them in sync and yet will stop accidental leakage > from the kernel into libc. Consider that with ELF and a dynamically linked binary, you could dlopen the kernel (copy on write, of course), and have a special ELF section whose intent is to provide the libc system call mappings. Similarly, you could provide kernel-specific libkvm routines, so that you never has ps/w/netstat/ifconfig/etc. problems ever again, *without* screwing up the ability to run various programs against a dump image. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 13:24:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00734 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:24:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [207.217.224.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00728 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [207.217.224.195]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24490 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:24:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <01d801bd8108$95991140$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: Subject: Re: Periodic file for CVSup Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:24:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: John Polstra >In article <013501bd79e6$f601e440$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net>, >Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > >> To determine the SUP program, SUP flags, and SUP file, the script obtains >> these values from the make.conf file. >> >> Any suggestions for improvements. > >Just a comment -- as far as I know, there aren't any FreeBSD sup >servers any more. > The script was designed to use either program (sup or cvsup) to update the sources files depending on how make.conf is configured. So the script would display: [Daily/Weekly/Monthly/] [Sup/CVSup] Update: depending on where it was installed, how the SUP section is set up in the make.conf file, and use the appropriate program (sup or cvsup). If there are no sup servers, should I have the script print an error message and exit? i.e. Weekly Sup Update: Sup servers are no longer available. Change your make.conf to use cvsup instead. Scot NOTE: The script that was posted doesn't display "Daily, Weekly, or Monthly" when run by periodic. But will display them when run directly from those directories. I have fixed the problem with this script by adding the following code: 2a3,9 > PROG_DIR=`dirname $0` > > if [ "${PROG_DIR}" = "." ] ; > then > PROG_DIR=`pwd` > fi > 15c22 < case `basename \`pwd\`` in --- > case `basename ${PROG_DIR}` in 18a26 > *) PERIOD=`basename ${PROG_DIR}`;; 28a37 > echo "" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08439 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08430 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pallenby@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from pallenby@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA19680 for current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:20:00 +0200 (SAT) From: Paul Allenby Message-Id: <199805162120.XAA19680@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: softupdates To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:20:00 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all Since Luoqi Chen's last fix of softupdates, I've made world 3 times without a hickup. I've seen a couple of warnings: setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 but no panics. It has speeded up make world times on my P100 machine from 5hrs and 30 min to 3 hrs and 10 mins; the previous times with disks mounted async. This is with devfs and the slice code enabled. Thanks to all concerned :-) Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:24:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09002 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08997 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:24:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20767; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:51:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805161851.TAA20767@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Brian Somers cc: brianfeldman@hotmail.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@whistle.com, opsys@mail.webspan.net Subject: Re: SoftUpdates stable?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 01:57:31 BST." <199805160057.BAA14913@awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:51:27 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, my machine's locked up again ! No softupdates and it happened > when I tried to access an NFS mount from X - I *really* suspect that's > the problem, not softupdates at all ! It turned out to be the WC stuff (now backed out) that was causing the lock-ups ! I've now got softupdates on all drives and no async. We'll see how it bears up :-) > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:33:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10148 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10141; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04240; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:32:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd004216; Sat May 16 14:32:40 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12144; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:32:34 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805162132.OAA12144@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: libc corruption To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:32:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au In-Reply-To: <199805161139.TAA02040@spinner.netplex.com.au> from "Peter Wemm" at May 16, 98 07:39:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Generating vnode_if.[ch] is another annoyance that I'd like to see > eradicated. The most obvious reason that this is generated data is to enforce the VOP interface semantics uniformly and universally. One of the original goals of the framework was to allow the operations to be proxied across anonymous boundries (ie: you don't know what you are handing the VOP to, but you have faith it will propagate normally). This is necessary for tunnelling VOPs between layers that understand their semantics through layers which don't. It's also necessary for proxying VOPs between machines (unlike NFS, unknown VOPs can be sent to another machine because the descriptor size is known), and for the proxying of VOPs to user space. A possible improvement would be to place VOPs in a linker-set instead of a statically defined structure. I considered this when I first made the changes to the initialization code to make the VFS compile and run correctly with zero filesystems (previously, it counted the VOPs FFS exported) during the Windows95 port. A related improvement would sort the vector to a known order, and eliminate the descriptor dereferences for non-proxied VFS consumer to VFS provider calls. This would reduce VFS layer overhead by the full descriptor re-assembly, lookup, and call overhead (~30-40 clock cycles on average for every VOP call). The main problem with this is dynamic extension and discard. One of the original "holy grails" that was smothered by the method used to integrate the framework into 4.4BSD is the ability to add new VOPs to a running system without needing a recompiled vnode_if.o. Even if you were to address the dynamic agregation issue (which I'm not about to trivialize), you would have bought little more than a change for the sake of change. This is because you will not have addressed the issue of how to add something to a linker-set in a statically linked kernel. One idea, which comes from ELF, is you could place the linker-set into an "allocate, copy, and discard" section. When the set was loaded, space for a copy would be allocated, the set would be copied, and the section that contained the non-extensible version of the set would be discarded. This has a number of compiler technology issues, namely the need to indirect set references through a pointer. One possible soloution would be to segment the kernel virtual address space and use segment selectors as part of the object address, allowing it to be relocated without the pointer dereference. I would like to see at least a non-extended VOP list in the vnode_if.[ch] continue to be generated, rather than agregated. Here's why: 1) If you agregate the list from the definitional location (ie: you glue it together from FS's the export the VOPs), then you open yourself up to desynchronization problems between FS's. Right now, that is not a problem. It will become more of a problem when allowing dynamic extension, but this can be mitigated by defining any additions in terms of the consumer, rather than the provider. Right now, there are few consumers, such as NFS and the system calls, and NFS, at least, is not going to be consuming new VOPs any time soon (though one could imagine a VOP for kernel-based globbing for use by an SMB or NCP server being very useful). 2) It is possible to post-process the vnode_if.src for other purposes. For example, a gateway device for proxying VOPs to user space so that you can debug FS stacking layers without causing a system crash. This is now possible, since vnodes can be managed by such a device instead of by the kernel's common routines, allowing the vnodes to be proxied, in the same way that nfsnodes proxy inodes from the remote system. 3) There's one place to look for the VOP semantics for all the standard, non-extended VOPs. 4) You would need to add a reference count to the linker-set construct per set entry, both to eliminate duplicate VOPs, and to allow unload of extensions, were they to occur. In closing, I think some changes should be made, but the most obvious reason for wanting the change you suggest is already handled by the explicit dependency rules (vnode_if.[ch] explicitly depend on the vnode_if.src). There's no chance of a libc/libkvm-like desynchronization causing similar problems. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:33:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10418 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10315 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA04735 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:33:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id WAA06089 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:57:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980516225740.A6032@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:57:40 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update vs noatime Mail-Followup-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <354E9212.500F9F30@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Bob Bishop on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:42:50AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4293 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Bob Bishop: > Is there any reason not to use noatime with soft updates? No reason except that it doesn't seem to be useful (in my tests of "cvs co" & "rm" anyway). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #59: Wed May 6 00:22:36 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:34:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10519 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10493 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id XAA14087 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:30:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03915; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:12:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980516231207.B2524@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:12:07 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /../sys/sys/unpcb.h:98: field `xuu_caddr' has incomplete type Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG building the world results in: ===> usr.bin/fstat cc -pipe -O2 -I/home/src/usr.bin/fstat/../../sys -I/usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/i nclude -c /home/src/usr.bin/fstat/fstat.c In file included from /home/src/usr.bin/fstat/fstat.c:58: /home/src/usr.bin/fstat/../../sys/sys/unpcb.h:93: field `xuu_addr' has incomplet e type /home/src/usr.bin/fstat/../../sys/sys/unpcb.h:98: field `xuu_caddr' has incomple te type *** Error code 1 Stop. -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:34:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10675 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:34:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10647 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id XAA14093; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:30:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03906; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:10:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980516231040.A2524@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:10:40 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Justin T. Gibbs" , jbryant@unix.tfs.net Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ahc0 - translation for drives > 1G References: <199805160244.VAA16647@unix.tfs.net> <199805160456.WAA24806@narnia.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805160456.WAA24806@narnia.plutotech.com>; from Justin T. Gibbs on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:56:03PM -0600 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:56:03PM -0600, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > In article <199805160244.VAA16647@unix.tfs.net> you wrote: > > > > Does -current support geometry translations for drives > 1G, aka the > > adaptec bios option to do so? > > > > jim > > FreeBSD doesn't care very much about the translation. The only time it > matters is for booting. For your boot device, you must ensure that the > fdisk information matches the geometry set in the BIOS so that the boot > blocks are placed in the correct location for the BIOS to find them. While we are at it ... could you explain to me, why I can't move harddisks between different flavours of AHA2940 controllers ? I have two scsi controllers: AHA 2940U and AHA 2940 I wasn't able in the past, to boot one disk with a FreeBSD installation created on controller one to boot on controller two. ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 17 on pci0.13.0 ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus0 at ahc0 bus 0 ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device sd0 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd0: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track st0 at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 st0: type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0: Sequential-Access density code 0x0, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled cd0 at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0: CD-ROM can't get the size ahc1: rev 0x03 int a irq 16 on pci0.14.0 ahc1: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus1 at ahc1 bus 0 ahc1: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device sd1 at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 sd1: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd1: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track ahc1: target 2 Tagged Queuing Device sd2 at scbus1 target 2 lun 0 sd2: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd2: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track Probing for devices on the ISA bus: -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11305 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11300; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05013; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:36:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd004958; Sat May 16 14:36:17 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12299; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:36:12 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805162136.OAA12299@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: libc corruption To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:36:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au In-Reply-To: <199805161236.UAA02664@spinner.netplex.com.au> from "Peter Wemm" at May 16, 98 08:36:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm talking about libc.. The syscall stub list is generated on the fly > and the binary interface is affected. Bruce already addressed this: ] The flow was apparently blocked by not installing includes before ] building libc. syscall.mk is included from ${.CURDIR}/../../sys, but ] syscall.h is included from . The problem is in the inclusion of syscall.h from the wrong place. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12055 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12047 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08697; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd008673; Sat May 16 14:40:07 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12522; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:40:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805162140.OAA12522@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: as chokes on cc output To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:40:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805161520.XAA04364@spinner.netplex.com.au> from "Peter Wemm" at May 16, 98 11:20:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > These are i387 instructions. The problem is that gas doesn't know fxch is > > a shorthand for fxch %st(1). Just add the parameter %st(1), like > > __asm__("fldln2; fxch %st(1); fyl2x"); > > Is the original line gcc generated code or an inline asm statement? If gcc > generated it, it should be a simple fix.. You mean "a simple fix to gas", right? 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14372 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14362 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12102; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:56:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd012080; Sat May 16 14:56:22 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13331; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:56:20 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805162156.OAA13331@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/ To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:56:20 +0000 (GMT) Cc: eivind@yes.no, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805161751.NAA09343@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at May 16, 98 01:51:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What would be necessary to make it possible for this to be a dynamic > > datastructure, instead of having a maximum limit? > > Can't be done. The limit is there because we can't expand the VM > space the zone allocator uses at interrupt time. Dyson can probably > explain why this is. It's because you can't say "WAITOK" on an allocation, and you can't have the allocation fail. Depending on the driver, you can get around this problem. The basic assumption is that you know that you won't be getting another real interrupt until you have serviced the previous real interrupt. This obviously won't work with FASTINTR devices, which are assumed to run to completion at interrupt time, and so are not tightly coupled. The way you would do this is, before exiting the soft interrupt that resulted from a hard interrupt, you preallocate on behalf of the driver. This allows it to be sure that it will have the resource when it needs it, at hard interrupt time, but the allocation does not block at high SPL. This is somewhat problematic in the case of shared interrupts, since it can delay all drivers hooked to a particular hardware interrupt, since hardware interrupts are not reenabled until the soft interrupt has completed processing. One fix for this is the use an "accelerated soft interrupt". To do this, you would allocate a small pool, and front-load any hardware interaction in the driver, and re-enable the hard interrupt as early as possible. For what it's worth, Windows95 and WindowsNT have the same restrictions, and are probably more aggressive about early release of shared hard interrupts than FreeBSD is. Doesm't make them faster, though that's totally unrelated to the merit of the design (which is a good idea, overall). }B-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 14:59:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14817 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14812 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00661; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:59:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd000644; Sat May 16 14:59:50 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13568; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:59:49 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805162159.OAA13568@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/ To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:59:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980516200156.30364@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at May 16, 98 08:01:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > To get around that problem, I'd expand the VM space in the top half of > the kernel ("somewhere suitable") when it looked like we were "close > to" running out of space (ie, close to the maxsockets case), and > probably start out with maxsockets somewhat smaller. (There are, of > course, a lot of opportunities for high-water/low-water mark magic > around this). > > Does it sound doable? The protection you would gain is statistical; there would still be failure races if you did it (consider a low memory condition; just because you can expand the page mappings doesn't mean that you will have pages available for them to point to). This is why type stable memory is so annoying. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 15:30:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19019 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19014 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA28338; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:30:34 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA00660; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:30:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980517003024.49844@follo.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:30:24 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Terry Lambert Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/ References: <19980516200156.30364@follo.net> <199805162159.OAA13568@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805162159.OAA13568@usr02.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 09:59:49PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 09:59:49PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > To get around that problem, I'd expand the VM space in the top half of > > the kernel ("somewhere suitable") when it looked like we were "close > > to" running out of space (ie, close to the maxsockets case), and > > probably start out with maxsockets somewhat smaller. (There are, of > > course, a lot of opportunities for high-water/low-water mark magic > > around this). > > > > Does it sound doable? > > The protection you would gain is statistical; there would still be > failure races if you did it (consider a low memory condition; just > because you can expand the page mappings doesn't mean that you will > have pages available for them to point to). Sure, it is a race condition for failure - just as the present one is (unless those maxsockets _really_ are the maximum limit for the number that can be needed). However, it would make it much less likely to fail, and if we _can't_ make it impossible to fail it is worthwhile to just better the odds :-) > This is why type stable memory is so annoying. 8-). Can't see that that makes things much different. I'd say this is why having to allocate things in the bottom half of the kernel is annoying. "Got to roll with the punch" etc. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 15:47:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21184 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21179 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05770; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:47:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805162247.RAA05770@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/ In-Reply-To: <199805162159.OAA13568@usr02.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 16, 98 09:59:49 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:47:25 -0500 (EST) Cc: eivind@yes.no, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > To get around that problem, I'd expand the VM space in the top half of > > the kernel ("somewhere suitable") when it looked like we were "close > > to" running out of space (ie, close to the maxsockets case), and > > probably start out with maxsockets somewhat smaller. (There are, of > > course, a lot of opportunities for high-water/low-water mark magic > > around this). > > > > Does it sound doable? > > The protection you would gain is statistical; there would still be > failure races if you did it (consider a low memory condition; just > because you can expand the page mappings doesn't mean that you will > have pages available for them to point to). > > This is why type stable memory is so annoying. 8-). > You haven't made any arguments for or against type stable memory. Limited memory size is annoying, but a fact of life. The code can be made to be dynamic, but the critical region issues become challenging. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 15:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21909 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21904 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:54:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA28823; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:54:19 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA00796; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:54:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980517005409.53106@follo.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:54:09 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Julian Elischer Cc: Bob Bishop , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft update vs noatime References: <19980516123741.53851@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Julian Elischer on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 12:06:59PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 12:06:59PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > you're confusing noatime and async.. Not really - I seem to remember _both_ creating problems. However, I can't find any messages that refer to this, so I might have remembered wrongly. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 16:03:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22933 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22920 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23704; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805162303.RAA23704@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Andreas Klemm cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , jbryant@unix.tfs.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ahc0 - translation for drives > 1G In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 23:10:40 +0200." <19980516231040.A2524@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:59:21 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> FreeBSD doesn't care very much about the translation. The only time it >> matters is for booting. For your boot device, you must ensure that the >> fdisk information matches the geometry set in the BIOS so that the boot >> blocks are placed in the correct location for the BIOS to find them. > >While we are at it ... could you explain to me, why I can't move >harddisks between different flavours of AHA2940 controllers ? This is because you have different extended translation settings on the two cards and have disks greater than 1Gig that have not been partitioned using a consistent translation. I switch between a 2940AU, 2940UW, 2940U2W, and a 2940UW dual all the time in my test box and it boots just fine. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 16:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23166 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23145 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA18724 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:00:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05525; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:41:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980517004129.A4002@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:41:29 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: is it possibly a current problem, that scotty fails to install with... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG rm -rf'ed /usr/local a week ago and rebuild everything ... Today: Installing scotty2.1.8 and tnm2.1.8.so Installing ./../tnm/library/README Installing ./../tnm/library/dialog.tcl Installing ./../tnm/library/output.tcl Installing ./../tnm/library/snmp.tcl Installing ./../tnm/library/monitor.tcl Installing ./../tnm/library/obsolete.tcl Installing ./../tnm/library/init.tcl initialization failed: couldn't load file "/usr/local/lib/tnm2.1.8": bad magic number in "/usr/local/lib/tnm2.1.8" *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 I'll do another make world today ... maybe this cures the problem. If you have an idea .... please tell me. -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 16:24:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25713 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:24:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25706 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA19553 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:15:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03514; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:59:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980517005951.A3506@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:59:51 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world: /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl: not found Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG fails ... --- _EXTRADEPEND --- echo perl: `cc -Wl,-f -pipe -O2 -I/home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl -I/usr/obj/h ome/src/tmp/usr/include -Wl,-lm -Wl,-lcrypt` >> .depend ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl --- .depend --- rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl -DTAINT -I/usr /obj/home/src/tmp/usr/include /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/array.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/cmd.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/ ../perl/cons.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/consarg.c /home/src/gnu/ usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/doarg.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/doio .c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/dolist.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/ tperl/../perl/dump.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/eval.c /home/src/g nu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/form.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/ha sh.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/perl.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/ tperl/../perl/perly.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/regcomp.c /home/s rc/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/regexec.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../ perl/stab.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/str.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin /perl/tperl/../perl/toke.c /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/util.c /home /src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl/usersub.c cd /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl; /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/make _EXTRADE PEND --- _EXTRADEPEND --- echo tperl: `cc -Wl,-f -pipe -O2 -I/home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/tperl/../perl -DTA INT -I/usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/include -Wl,-lm -Wl,-lcrypt` >> .depend ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/usub --- curses.c --- /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl /home/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/usub/mus /home/src /gnu/usr.bin/perl/usub/curses.mus > curses.c /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl: not found *** Error code 127 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 16:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25762 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:24:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25749 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA19557; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:15:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03608; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:07:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980517010719.A3600@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:07:19 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: jbryant@unix.tfs.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ahc0 - translation for drives > 1G References: <19980516231040.A2524@klemm.gtn.com> <199805162303.RAA23704@pluto.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805162303.RAA23704@pluto.plutotech.com>; from Justin T. Gibbs on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 04:59:21PM -0600 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 04:59:21PM -0600, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> FreeBSD doesn't care very much about the translation. The only time it > >> matters is for booting. For your boot device, you must ensure that the > >> fdisk information matches the geometry set in the BIOS so that the boot > >> blocks are placed in the correct location for the BIOS to find them. > > > >While we are at it ... could you explain to me, why I can't move > >harddisks between different flavours of AHA2940 controllers ? > > This is because you have different extended translation settings on the > two cards and have disks greater than 1Gig that have not been partitioned > using a consistent translation. I switch between a 2940AU, 2940UW, > 2940U2W, and a 2940UW dual all the time in my test box and it boots just > fine. Hmm, ok, then it seems to be my fault. Thanks ... -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 16:48:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28229 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28221 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA27918; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:52:21 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805162352.JAA27918@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: make world: /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl: not found In-Reply-To: <19980517005951.A3506@klemm.gtn.com> from Andreas Klemm at "May 17, 98 00:59:51 am" To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:52:21 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andreas Klemm wrote: > /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl: not found gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl needs to be added to the list of bootstrap tools. Bruce doesn't like this because it adds another tool. To properly bootstrap the perl directories requires perl to be a bootstrap tool. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 17:57:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03948 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03943 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id AAA15275; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:55:49 GMT Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:55:49 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Paul Allenby cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates In-Reply-To: <199805162120.XAA19680@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 16 May 1998, Paul Allenby wrote: > Hi all > > Since Luoqi Chen's last fix of softupdates, I've made world 3 times > without a hickup. > > I've seen a couple of warnings: > > setup_allocindir_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 > > but no panics. We have a delayed-binding-of-block-addresses enhancement in FreeBSD that Lite2 doesn't have. Luoqi wanted to make sure that the patch to softupdates correctly handled this. > It has speeded up make world times on my P100 machine from 5hrs and 30 > min to 3 hrs and 10 mins; the previous times with disks mounted async. > This is with devfs and the slice code enabled. Thanks, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 18:05:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05618 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05609; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id BAA15285; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:04:37 GMT Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:04:37 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Peter Wemm cc: Bruce Evans , dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: libc corruption In-Reply-To: <199805161139.TAA02040@spinner.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 16 May 1998, Peter Wemm wrote: > Generating vnode_if.[ch] is another annoyance that I'd like to see > eradicated. You don't want to do that. Think of it as a custom IDL used to keep the VOP interface defined universally for all file systems, including and potentially for file systems in different address spaces. If someone implements a stacked crypto layer, we probably wouldn't want to put various encryption algorithms in the kernel. In Japan, people might want a Kanji character set translation layer and wouldn't want to put huge tables in the kernel either. It would be very very difficult to extend and maintain compatibility without a mechanism like we have now. Regards, Mike Hancock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 18:10:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06661 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06654 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10280; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:10:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805170110.VAA10280@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf param.c src/sys/kern uipc_domain.c uipc_proto.c uipc_socket.c uipc_socket2.c uipc_usrreq.c src/sys/ In-Reply-To: <19980517003024.49844@follo.net> References: <19980516200156.30364@follo.net> <199805162159.OAA13568@usr02.primenet.com> <19980517003024.49844@follo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Can't see that that makes things much different. I'd say this is why having > to allocate things in the bottom half of the kernel is annoying. "Got to > roll with the punch" etc. A rewrite of the socket layer which delayed creation of the new socket until the user process had a chance to run accept(2) (or woke up during a select/poll) would be a good thing. (However, such a change would result in a significant semantic difference for accept() -- not necessarily a bad thing.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 18:10:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06739 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06721 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25783 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805170110.SAA25783@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ___error? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:10:41 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any ideas on how to get around this problem? Tnks, Amancio While doing a make world.... cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/make -o make arch.o buf.o compat.o cond.o dir.o for.o hash.o job.o main.o make.o parse.o str.o suff.o targ.o var.o util.o lstAppend.o lstAtEnd.o lstAtFront.o lstClose.o lstConcat.o lstDatum.o lstDeQueue.o lstDestroy.o lstDupl.o lstEnQueue.o lstFind.o lstFindFrom.o lstFirst.o lstForEach.o lstForEachFrom.o lstInit.o lstInsert.o lstIsAtEnd.o lstIsEmpty.o lstLast.o lstMember.o lstNext.o lstOpen.o lstRemove.o lstReplace.o lstSucc.o compat.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 18:34:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09278 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-64.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09259; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA00664; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:34:49 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:34:49 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Bad shutdown... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is based on a 0515 kernel, with the CAM snapshot applied to it... hub# halt syncing disks... 3 3 done panic: lockmgr: pid 318, not exclusive lock holder 1 unlocking dumping to dev 20401, offset 262144 dump Aborting dump due to I/O error. status == 0x200, scsi status == 0x0 i/o error Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 18:41:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10242 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:41:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt053nd2.san.rr.com [204.210.34.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10234 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01787; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <355E4029.1C5DED00@san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:40:57 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0507 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell CC: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world: /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl: not found References: <199805162352.JAA27918@cimlogic.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > > Andreas Klemm wrote: > > /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl: not found > > gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl needs to be added to the list of bootstrap tools. > Bruce doesn't like this because it adds another tool. To properly > bootstrap the perl directories requires perl to be a bootstrap tool. Isn't this a bit of circular reasoning? :) Which perl directories are you talking about exactly? Before perl is added to the bootstrap tools is there any way that we can get the contrib'ification of perl 5 done first? There's already a patch for it. Last I heard Jordan was working on a few tweaks before it goes in. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 18:54:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11914 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.124.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11908 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kato@migmatite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.8/3.6Wbeta7) with ESMTP id KAA01814 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 10:54:40 +0900 (JST) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Can't compile portalfs From: KATO Takenori X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92.4 on Emacs 19.28 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980517105439M.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:54:39 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 19 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Portalfs in current is broken. cc -c -O -pipe -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c: In function `portal_connect': ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c:193: warning: implicit declaration of function `sotounpcb' ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c:193: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c:194: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c:195: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c:196: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../miscfs/portal/portal_vnops.c:197: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type *** Error code 1 Stop. -----------------------------------------------+--------------------------+ Kato Takenori | FreeBSD | Dept. Earth Planet. Sci, Nagoya Univ. | The power to serve! | Nagoya, 464-8602, Japan | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ | ++++ FreeBSD(98) 2.2.6: Rev. 02 available! +==========================+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 18:59:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12753 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12748 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18978 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:59:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805170159.SAA18978@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: lib_options.c:152: keys.tries.h: No such file or directory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:59:14 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just trying to build the latest current and I am getting this: cc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses -Wall -DMYTINFO -c lib_options.c -o lib_options.o lib_options.c:152: keys.tries.h: No such file or directory lib_options.c:159: warning: `add_to_try' defined but not used *** Error code 1 Any clues? Tnks, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 19:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16476 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16468 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA28216; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:43:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805170243.MAA28216@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: ___error? In-Reply-To: <199805170110.SAA25783@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "May 16, 98 06:10:41 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:43:22 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Any ideas on how to get around this problem? You've done something manually on your system with the header files before doing make world, haven't you? Probably: cd /usr/src; make includes; make world. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 19:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16691 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-19.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16679 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA01499 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:40:53 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:40:52 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Serial console, system hangs and DDB... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning... I haven't enabled DDB in my kernel yet, but am curious... I have a server setup with 3.0-current and the CAM drivers that is periodically hanging on me (usually after a day or so of uptime)...that in itself is annoying, but more annoying is that i have no way to resetting that server, as it is 2500km away. I do have a serial console configured on it, so that I can do work, but I'm curious as to how I can break into DDB using the serial console, without my home machine breaking into it also? On our Sparc servers at work, you issue a ~# from a serial console to break down into the boot prom...do we have something similar we can do? Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 19:43:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17200 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17193 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA28227; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:47:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805170247.MAA28227@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: make world: /usr/obj/home/src/tmp/usr/bin/perl: not found In-Reply-To: <355E4029.1C5DED00@san.rr.com> from Studded at "May 16, 98 06:40:57 pm" To: Studded@san.rr.com (Studded) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:47:22 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Studded wrote: > Isn't this a bit of circular reasoning? :) Which perl directories are > you talking about exactly? To build src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/usub, you must have a perl executable. If you don't have one (because you've never built perl on your machine), then you have to build one. If the one you've got is from a previous source level, then you *should* build one just in case. That's what a bootstrap procedure is all about. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 19:52:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18708 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18700 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28808; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805170252.TAA28808@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: John Birrell cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ___error? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 May 1998 12:43:22 +1000." <199805170243.MAA28216@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:52:22 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Actually, I am trying to complete a failed make world. The first time around, make built fine . I did /usr/src make includes make world and I am still getting: cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o make arch.o buf.o compat.o cond.o dir.o for.o hash.o job.o main.o make.o parse.o str.o suff.o targ.o var.o util.o lstAppend.o lstAtEnd.o lstAtFront.o lstClose.o lstConcat.o lstDatum.o lstDeQueue.o lstDestroy.o lstDupl.o lstEnQueue.o lstFind.o lstFindFrom.o lstFirst.o lstForEach.o lstForEachFrom.o lstInit.o lstInsert.o lstIsAtEnd.o lstIsEmpty.o lstLast.o lstMember.o lstNext.o lstOpen.o lstRemove.o lstReplace.o lstSucc.o compat.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment Tnks, Amancio > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > Any ideas on how to get around this problem? > > You've done something manually on your system with the header files > before doing make world, haven't you? Probably: cd /usr/src; make includes; > make world. > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 19:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19051 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19046 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA28255; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:59:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805170259.MAA28255@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: ___error? In-Reply-To: <199805170252.TAA28808@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "May 16, 98 07:52:22 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:59:07 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, I am trying to complete a failed make world. The first time > around, make built fine . > > I did /usr/src > make includes <-+ | "Don't do that" ---+ > make world To fix the problem: cd /usr/src/lib/libc; make obj && make depend && make all && make install cd /usr/src; make world -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 20:23:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22404 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:23:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22399 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01938; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd001936; Sun May 17 03:14:20 1998 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:14:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Brian Somers cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NOTICE: Softupdates In-Reply-To: <199805161851.TAA20767@awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With all the euphoria about softupdates. I thought I should put out a reminder.. Soft updates is still not quite complete.. there is still a missing dependency that needs to be caught. It results in the occasional directory entry hitting the disk before the inode. This is still a lot safer than the old 'sync' code but it does indicate that people should not just 'trust it blindly'. in the light of softupdates, what 'sync()' does needs to be carefully thought about because there is room there for confusion. (I have not yet visited that code heavily) The dependency problem has been reproduced under BSDI. julian On Sat, 16 May 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > > Well, my machine's locked up again ! No softupdates and it happened > > when I tried to access an NFS mount from X - I *really* suspect that's > > the problem, not softupdates at all ! > > It turned out to be the WC stuff (now backed out) that was causing > the lock-ups ! > > I've now got softupdates on all drives and no async. We'll see how > it bears up :-) > > > -- > > Brian , , > > > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 21:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27415 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27410 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:01:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA02689; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd002687; Sun May 17 03:58:44 1998 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: The Hermit Hacker cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial console, system hangs and DDB... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG yes, that's what the BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER option is for.. be carefull however, rebooting the 2nd machine can sometimes produce a preak and drop the first into the debugger ..... (similar for serial switches etc.) julian P.S.B I've considering adding a patch that detects a phrase like " Hey stupid.. drop into the debugger" :-) On Sat, 16 May 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Morning... > > I haven't enabled DDB in my kernel yet, but am curious... > > I have a server setup with 3.0-current and the CAM drivers that is > periodically hanging on me (usually after a day or so of uptime)...that in > itself is annoying, but more annoying is that i have no way to resetting > that server, as it is 2500km away. > > I do have a serial console configured on it, so that I can do > work, but I'm curious as to how I can break into DDB using the serial > console, without my home machine breaking into it also? On our Sparc > servers at work, you issue a ~# from a serial console to break down into > the boot prom...do we have something similar we can do? > > Marc G. Fournier > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 21:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28794 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28789 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17893; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805170413.VAA17893@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: John Birrell cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ___error? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 May 1998 12:59:07 +1000." <199805170259.MAA28255@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:13:17 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, The build is going smoothly right now will know in about an hour if the make world is successful. Tnks, Amancio > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Actually, I am trying to complete a failed make world. The first time > > around, make built fine . > > > > I did /usr/src > > make includes <-+ > | > "Don't do that" ---+ > > > make world > > To fix the problem: > > cd /usr/src/lib/libc; make obj && make depend && make all && make install > cd /usr/src; make world > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 21:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29817 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29807 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA32643; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:17:08 +1000 Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:17:08 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805170417.OAA32643@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: lib_options.c:152: keys.tries.h: No such file or directory Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Just trying to build the latest current and I am getting this: > >cc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses -Wall -DMYTINFO -c lib_options.c -o >lib_options.o >lib_options.c:152: keys.tries.h: No such file or directory >lib_options.c:159: warning: `add_to_try' defined but not used >*** Error code 1 > >Any clues? Broken .depend file from neglected cleaning. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 21:48:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02323 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02317 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22707; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805170448.VAA22707@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Evans cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lib_options.c:152: keys.tries.h: No such file or directory In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 May 1998 14:17:08 +1000." <199805170417.OAA32643@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:19 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Bruce, Tnks for the clue! Build is going smooth... Regards, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 22:16:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05004 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gforce.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-144-50.msy.bellsouth.net [209.214.144.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04997 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@bellsouth.net) Received: from gforce.bellsouth.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gforce.bellsouth.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09024 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:16:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from glenn@gforce.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199805170516.AAA09024@gforce.bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Glenn Johnson Subject: python Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:16:34 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone gotten the python port to work on 3.0-CURRENT? I get an error about an MD5 mismatch, and a missing file. After working around those, it fails the socket_test, and the numpy port just hangs at the configuration stage. Thanks. -- Glenn Johnson gljohns@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 22:56:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08267 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlantis.nconnect.net (root@atlantis.nconnect.net [207.227.50.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08261 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyd@nconnect.net) Received: from nconnect.net (birddog-mke-x2-52.nconnect.net [207.227.61.52]) by atlantis.nconnect.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09666 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <355E7BFE.C28C7E56@nconnect.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:56:14 -0500 From: Randy DuCharme Organization: Astrolab Development X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Strange Console Message... Softupdates? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, A curious message appeared on my console a short time ago.... setup_allocindr_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 This repeated 3 times. The machine never stopped and everything is still running and looking good. Just what exactly does this mean? -- Randall D DuCharme Systems Engineer Novell, Microsoft, and UNIX Networking Support Computer Specialists 414-253-9998 414-253-9919 (fax) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 16 23:31:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10827 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10822 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04776; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd004773; Sun May 17 06:23:45 1998 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Randy DuCharme cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange Console Message... Softupdates? In-Reply-To: <355E7BFE.C28C7E56@nconnect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ignore this one.. (it's probably time to kill teh debug message..) On Sun, 17 May 1998, Randy DuCharme wrote: > Greetings, > > A curious message appeared on my console a short time ago.... > > setup_allocindr_phase2: need bmap, blk -12 > > This repeated 3 times. The machine never stopped and everything is > still running and looking good. > > Just what exactly does this mean? > > > -- > Randall D DuCharme > Systems Engineer Novell, Microsoft, and UNIX Networking Support > Computer Specialists > 414-253-9998 414-253-9919 (fax) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message