From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 29 19:32:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04255 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04052; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03820; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:33:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980329223358.11226@vmunix.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:33:58 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Matthew Fuller , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for review: installation References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Fuller on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 08:13:53PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 08:13:53PM -0600, Matthew Fuller wrote: > I've redone the installation documentation, from scratch basically. It > consists now of two parts: the installation instructions, which guide you > through the installation from your decision to run FreeBSD, and the > installation checklist, which details the things you need and how to > prepare for the installation. I'd like to get some reviewers on this. > I'll read over your document - BTW, have you checked out the effort Chris Coleman and I started at http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ ? We also wrote an entire section on the installation.. -Mark > I've CC:'d newbies since there's probably a fair number of people there > fresh from the install who could give some unique viewpoints on it. > > The instructions are at: > http://mortis.futuresouth.com/~fullermd/freebsd/install.html > They're pretty rough at the moment, as I haven't had time to polish them > up with the press of other work. But I think they're pretty thorough. > Let me know what you think! > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | > * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * > | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| > * fullermd@mortis.futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * > | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 29 20:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20878 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20667 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:15:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03848; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:43:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980329224312.21163@vmunix.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:43:12 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: KapuT , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4 Newbies References: <351C71D9.52629A74@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <351C71D9.52629A74@aei.ca>; from KapuT on Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 10:43:21PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 10:43:21PM -0500, KapuT wrote: > I am under FreeBSD what we can call a newbie. > I have not finded so much information on how to start. > What should I do the first time I see Login: or # > I was obliged to ask to a friends. But its not all people who have > friends hehehe > And FreeBSD dont take in charge newbies... Its hard I think. > Maybie you think I'm lazy hehehe > But I think I have readed a lot for non critical information. If you would take a look at the explanations in the "Running FreeBSD" chapter of http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ I would appreciate it - I wrote this part specifically for those who aren't familiar at all with how a user actually gets work done in the UNIX environment. :-) TIA, -Mark > > I have finded than the Handbook where there is a part for newbie his not > really made for newbie. When you do a doc for newbie, do it in a newbie > stile... like > http://www.ca.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html -->August 15, > 1997 > > So I have started an interactive project where anyone can easily add > parts to the page, so its easy to correct bugs and errata and to put > more information. I have used html
for doing it interactive. > > And I think than I have a real approach for newbies. > FreeBSD for Newbies > > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/newbies.html > > KapuT > Its dark! > -- > *************************** > malartre@aei.ca > www.aei.ca/~malartre/ > ICQ #4224434 > IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid > Undernet #FreeBSD > Windows95 > Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 > *************************** > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 01:15:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01033 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from backup.starnet.net.gt (backup.starnet.net.gt [168.234.158.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01016 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmveliz@starnet.net.gt) Received: from P2002 [168.234.158.40] by backup.starnet.net.gt (AltaVista Mail F2.0D/2.0D BL25D listener) id 0000_00b7_333d_da68_28e2; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 19:13:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Jorge M. Veliz M." From: "Jorge M. Veliz M." To: Subject: RV: Please help on printer programming Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:12:44 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd5b78$f2166900$289eeaa8@p2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD5B46.A77BF900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD5B46.A77BF900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- De: Jorge M. Veliz M. Para: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fecha: Martes 24 de Marzo de 1998 10:04 PM Asunto: Please help on printer programming Hi, my name is Jorge, I=B4m from Guatemala, I=B4m working on a = project for the University of San Carlos, I am working on my printer = spooler and I would like to control the printer status, when it is = online, when it has done printing a line, etc... Is it posible? =20 Thank you, very much....... Jorge Veliz ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD5B46.A77BF900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD5B46.A77BF900-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 09:38:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07769 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:38:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07283; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22454; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:37:06 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA07511; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:36:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:36:52 +0100 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook Reply-To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, [ Reply-to set to me, feel free to unset it if you think it's appropriate ] As outlined in (and posted to -doc for review a couple of weeks ago) I've just branched the contents of doc/handbook. The effort to migrate the Handbook from the LinuxDoc DTD to the DocBook DTD will proceed along this branch, with regular changes to the Handbook happening along the trunk. Contrary to the documentation at the above URL, the branch tag is LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP I added the final _BP to be consistent with other branch tags visible in the files. I'll update that URL tonight. I will wait a day or so until the mirrors have caught up, and then put together a quick guide for anyone who wants to use CVSup to download the DocBook version of the Handbook as it's being converted. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 11:12:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24638 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:12:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from r02n02.cac.psu.edu (r02a02.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24633 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:12:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from labrat@psu.edu) Received: from psu.edu (HDEV-2.cac-labs.psu.edu [146.186.14.2]) by r02n02.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA96546 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:12:07 -0500 Message-ID: <351FEEB0.6A3FC84B@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:12:49 -0500 From: David Ritz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: regarding FAQ item 1.3 What are the goals of FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to commend you on what I have seen of your pages so far, but would just like to point out that in the second sentence of FAQ item 1.3, the word is "remuneration", not "renumeration". I apologize for the nitpicking, just trying to help you maintain your professional appearance. Dave Ritz labrat@psu.edu CAC Lab Consultant Pennsylvania State University To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 11:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01748 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mortis.futuresouth.com ([209.45.209.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01608; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@mortis.futuresouth.com) Received: from localhost (fullermd@localhost) by mortis.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00222; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:38:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:38:49 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew Fuller X-Sender: fullermd@mortis To: Mark Mayo cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for review: installation In-Reply-To: <19980329223358.11226@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 08:13:53PM -0600, Matthew Fuller wrote: > > I've redone the installation documentation, from scratch basically. It > > consists now of two parts: the installation instructions, which guide you > > through the installation from your decision to run FreeBSD, and the > > installation checklist, which details the things you need and how to > > prepare for the installation. I'd like to get some reviewers on this. > > > > I'll read over your document - BTW, have you checked out > the effort Chris Coleman and I started at > http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ ? > > We also wrote an entire section on the installation.. > > -Mark I did look at that. It IS a wonderful set of information on installation, but, IMNHO (In My Never Humble Opinion ;), far too long. My goal was to produce something short, simple, and reasonably thorough; something that could be read as a distinct piece of documentation in 5 or 10 minutes. The section you have there is very well suited for a section or a chapter of a book, but I'm aiming at a slightly more immediate (and more impatient, probably) need here. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@mortis.futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 11:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06255 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06234; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10937; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:54:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <351FF877.2274B9DE@san.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:54:31 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0325 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jorge M. Veliz M." CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: RV: Please help on printer programming References: <01bd5b78$f2166900$289eeaa8@p2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Jorge M. Veliz M. wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > De: Jorge M. Veliz M. > Para: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Fecha: Martes 24 de Marzo de 1998 10:04 PM > Asunto: Please help on printer programming > > > Hi, my name is Jorge, I´m from Guatemala, I´m working on a project > for the University of San Carlos, I am working on my printer spooler > and I would like to control the printer status, when it is online, > when it has done printing a line, etc... Is it posible? I am forwarding your question to freebsd-questions where you are more likely to get a response. Also, please don't send HTML formatted mail to public mailing lists. Buenos Suerte, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 12:42:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16247 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:42:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16201 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:41:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 3987 invoked from network); 30 Mar 1998 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from localhost.simon-shapiro.org (HELO sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) (@127.0.0.1) by localhost.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 1998 20:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-032398 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:50:56 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Make Release Failure Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Make release continues to fail in what I am guessing to be a DOC related area. I have noticed similar falures in 2.2.6 and in 3.0-current (as of last night): ===> share/examples install -c -o bin -g bin -m 644 FreeBSD_version/FreeBSD_version.c /usr/share/examples/FreeBSD_version/FreeBSD_version.c install: /usr/share/examples/FreeBSD_version/FreeBSD_version.c: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 (continuing) ... many, many more like this .... Then we have things like: unifdef -UHAVE_TCL_INTERP /usr/src/usr.bin/vi/../../contrib/nvi/ex/ex_tcl.c > ex_notcl.c *** Error code 1 (ignored) unifdef -UHAVE_PERL_INTERP /usr/src/usr.bin/vi/../../contrib/nvi/ex/ex_perl.c > ex_noperl.c *** Error code 1 (ignored) which may be normal. Any help in resolving these will be appreciated... Simon ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 13:17:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23836 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:17:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23620; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03831; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:15:22 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA03292; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:16:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980330231446.63053@follo.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:14:46 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 06:36:52PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 06:36:52PM +0100, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > Contrary to the documentation at the above URL, the branch tag is > > LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP > > I added the final _BP to be consistent with other branch tags visible > in the files. I'll update that URL tonight. Warning: This should be a branch point, not a branch. You have to add another, movable tab. The _BP tag should be fixed. Ie: 1.1 | 1.2 RELENG_2_2_BP (RELENG_2_2 at right) | \ 1.3 1.2.1.1 (RELENG_2_2 at right) | \ 1.4 1.2.1.2 (RELENG_2_2 at right) /\ Main branch up along the left here I don't know if I manage to be clear here... Basically, _BP should be at the root of a branch. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 13:49:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29166 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:49:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29160 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA04400; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:47:42 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA05986; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:48:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980330234705.51450@follo.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:47:05 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: David Ritz , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: regarding FAQ item 1.3 What are the goals of FreeBSD? References: <351FEEB0.6A3FC84B@psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <351FEEB0.6A3FC84B@psu.edu>; from David Ritz on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 02:12:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 02:12:49PM -0500, David Ritz wrote: > I would like to commend you on what I have seen of your pages so far, > but would just like to point out that in the second sentence of FAQ item > 1.3, the word is "remuneration", not "renumeration". Changed to 'compensation'. > I apologize for the nitpicking, just trying to help you maintain > your professional appearance. Don't worry about nitpicking. Thanks! Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 13:59:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01591 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:59:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01460; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:59:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06723; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:01:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980330170101.11679@vmunix.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:01:01 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Matthew Fuller Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for review: installation References: <19980329223358.11226@vmunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Fuller on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 01:38:49PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 01:38:49PM -0600, Matthew Fuller wrote: > On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 08:13:53PM -0600, Matthew Fuller wrote: > > > I've redone the installation documentation, from scratch basically. It > > > consists now of two parts: the installation instructions, which guide you > > > through the installation from your decision to run FreeBSD, and the > > > installation checklist, which details the things you need and how to > > > prepare for the installation. I'd like to get some reviewers on this. > > > > > > > I'll read over your document - BTW, have you checked out > > the effort Chris Coleman and I started at > > http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ ? > > > > We also wrote an entire section on the installation.. > > > > -Mark > I did look at that. > It IS a wonderful set of information on installation, but, IMNHO (In My > Never Humble Opinion ;), far too long. My goal was to produce something > short, simple, and reasonably thorough; something that could be read as a > distinct piece of documentation in 5 or 10 minutes. The section you have > there is very well suited for a section or a chapter of a book, but I'm > aiming at a slightly more immediate (and more impatient, probably) need > here. Cool. Sounds like a great idea. Good luck! -Mark > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | > * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * > | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| > * fullermd@mortis.futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * > | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 15:02:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14982 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14974 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm01-12.aei.ca [206.123.6.112]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08639; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:02:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35202392.F461A64B@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:58:26 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Mayo CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4 Newbies References: <351C71D9.52629A74@aei.ca> <19980329224312.21163@vmunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Mayo wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 10:43:21PM -0500, KapuT wrote: > > I am under FreeBSD what we can call a newbie. > > I have not finded so much information on how to start. > > What should I do the first time I see Login: or # > > I was obliged to ask to a friends. But its not all people who have > > friends hehehe > > And FreeBSD dont take in charge newbies... Its hard I think. > > Maybie you think I'm lazy hehehe > > But I think I have readed a lot for non critical information. > > If you would take a look at the explanations in the "Running FreeBSD" > chapter of http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ I would appreciate it - > I wrote this part specifically for those who aren't familiar at all > with how a user actually gets work done in the UNIX environment. :-) > > TIA, > -Mark > Your page his great but not finished heheheOk, but what I think his than there should be 2 book hehehe I dont understand why people always put hardware with Login: My point of view is not clear... I am not english and dont always know word but I will try :-) Hum, let think about a new user. He buy FreeBSD, after that, he find a *lot* of information on *how to* install it. Then, he his stuck: he dont even nead hardware information, but where are the damn info about how to Login: ???He was from Mac or Win95, so dont ask him to much right now! now, he search a lot, and he find your page. Then he find a black page, with a lot of link and non-critical information for him... what he should do? He get *schizophrenic* (dont know if its that in english) in your html world. Then he find a page with Login, and after that he finally find 3 km above the shutdown command... So now, he dont press the reboot button hehehe Hum, they need a real easy start, because if not, they will reboot under Win95. And dont say to me "They are lazy" please... I think than this his why FreeBSD sucks for Win95 users. ***They go first on freebsd.org, and they see the handbook. but there his nothing for them in that handbook...*** You really need to start a chat channel where you could see what newbie think about it... Personnaly, my effort are for doing a manual for newbies, with no hardware. Just commands and stuff like that An easy manual where all people can change anything with command. Since you have seen it, I have changed a lot of thing. And there his now the starting point: Login: And a really cute way to emulated a pict of freebsd with and black background :-) I really wish to help all of advanced user who dont understand why we are lost :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Sorry, my mom will kill me if I dont go eat! cya KapuT > > > > I have finded than the Handbook where there is a part for newbie his not > > really made for newbie. When you do a doc for newbie, do it in a newbie > > stile... like > > http://www.ca.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html -->August 15, > > 1997 > > > > So I have started an interactive project where anyone can easily add > > parts to the page, so its easy to correct bugs and errata and to put > > more information. I have used html for doing it interactive. > > > > And I think than I have a real approach for newbies. > > FreeBSD for Newbies > > > > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/newbies.html > > > > KapuT > > Its dark! > > -- > > *************************** > > malartre@aei.ca > > www.aei.ca/~malartre/ > > ICQ #4224434 > > IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid > > Undernet #FreeBSD > > Windows95 > > Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 > > *************************** > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com > RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark > > finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs > at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling -- *************************** malartre@aei.ca www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 30 19:02:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27478 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:02:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA27395 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG) From: shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Received: (qmail 1526 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Mar 1998 03:10:38 -0000 Date: 31 Mar 1998 03:10:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980331031038.1525.qmail@sendero.simon-shapiro.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make appears broken in current Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $ make PRINTER=ps ===> FAQ sgmlfmt -f html -links /usr/src/3.0/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml Message Catalog System: corrupt file. Message Catalog System: corrupt file. sgmlfmt -f latin1 -links /usr/src/3.0/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml Message Catalog System: corrupt file. Message Catalog System: corrupt file. sgmlfmt -f ascii -links /usr/src/3.0/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml Message Catalog System: corrupt file. Message Catalog System: corrupt file. ===> handbook sgmlfmt -f html -links /usr/src/3.0/doc/handbook/handbook.sgml Message Catalog System: corrupt file. Message Catalog System: corrupt file. sgmlfmt -f latin1 -links /usr/src/3.0/doc/handbook/handbook.sgml Message Catalog System: corrupt file. Message Catalog System: corrupt file. handbook.trf:3395: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3404: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3413: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3416: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3613: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3632: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3636: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3639: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3648: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3652: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3395: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3404: warning: can't break line handbook.trf:3413: warning: can't break line .... As you note make PRINTER=ps produces HTML, along with a host of complaints To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 00:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12026 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:28:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.azbcsnet.com (ns.azbcsnet.com [205.139.37.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12007 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rickfam@arizonaone.com) Received: from rickfami ([205.139.37.214]) by ns.azbcsnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25970 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:24:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803301624.JAA25970@ns.azbcsnet.com> Reply-To: <@arizonaone.com> From: "rrf" To: Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:26:26 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 04:16:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06149 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06104; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:16:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09601; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:16:39 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA08469; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:16:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980331131623.56787@iii.co.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:16:23 +0100 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <19980330231446.63053@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980330231446.63053@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 11:14:46PM +0200 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 11:14:46PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 06:36:52PM +0100, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > > Contrary to the documentation at the above URL, the branch tag is > > > > LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP > > > > I added the final _BP to be consistent with other branch tags visible > > in the files. I'll update that URL tonight. > > Warning: This should be a branch point, not a branch. You have to add > another, movable tab. The _BP tag should be fixed. D'oh. Eivind is quite right. I fixed this last night (and updated the docs) so it behaves as expected. I shall now go and quietly flog myself for a while. That should give my cow-orkers something to talk about. . . N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 06:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16231 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:00:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16226 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:00:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA16284; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980331160032.46158@cons.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:00:32 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "hackers" and "crackers" in FreeBSD handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD handbook sometimes uses the term "hacker" for those evil-minded security-breaking people we usually like to name "crackers" (i.e. "evil.hackers.org"). I would like to change that to the correct term, anyone against it? Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (batched, preferred for large mails) Tel.: (daytime) +4940 41478712 Fax.: (daytime) +4940 41478715 Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 06:36:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23562 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:36:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (root@mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23471; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (ppp387.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.87]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4W3-rim1.1) with ESMTP id XAA07738; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:35:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (earth [192.168.1.2]) by moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl4/moon-0.9) with ESMTP id UAA23345; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:42:28 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:41:43 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > I will wait a day or so until the mirrors have caught up, and then > put together a quick guide for anyone who wants to use CVSup to download > the DocBook version of the Handbook as it's being converted. OK. I have CVSup'ed branched doc repository. Should we do branching doc/ja/handbook directory like doc/handbook? -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 06:51:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27211 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:51:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26968; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:51:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12498; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:51:16 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA08722; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:51:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:50:59 +0100 To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp>; from Jun Kuriyama on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:41:43PM +0900 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:41:43PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > > I will wait a day or so until the mirrors have caught up, and then > > put together a quick guide for anyone who wants to use CVSup to download > > the DocBook version of the Handbook as it's being converted. > > OK. I have CVSup'ed branched doc repository. Should we do branching > doc/ja/handbook directory like doc/handbook? I think that makes most sense. Actually, something I hadn't considered before, and no one else seems to have raised; would it make more sense for me to create a doc/en/handbook directory, and do the conversion in there? I'm not aware of any reason why the English version of the Handbook (and eventually the FAQ) shouldn't be in their own language specific directory as well (except historical accident, of course). Of course, if I did this then I may as well remove the branch. Comments from anyone else appreciated. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 07:44:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05488 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05415; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA10451; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:43:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:43:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: nik@iii.co.uk cc: Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) In-Reply-To: <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > Actually, something I hadn't considered before, and no one else seems > to have raised; would it make more sense for me to create a doc/en/handbook > directory, and do the conversion in there? I think so. I had thought so in the past too, but that bit of memory was apparently paged out until just now. :) -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 07:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08627 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:57:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08578; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:57:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14091; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:53:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA08815; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:53:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980331165314.34159@iii.co.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:53:14 +0100 To: John Fieber Cc: Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) References: <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from John Fieber on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 10:43:22AM -0500 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 10:43:22AM -0500, John Fieber wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > > Actually, something I hadn't considered before, and no one else seems > > to have raised; would it make more sense for me to create a doc/en/handbook > > directory, and do the conversion in there? > > I think so. I had thought so in the past too, but that bit of > memory was apparently paged out until just now. :) OK. In which case (and unless no one objects) I'll: 1. Remove the 2 tags (one regular, one branch) I added last night. 2. Create a doc/en/handbook/ directory and add that to the repository. Then, the files created by the DTD migration will go in the new doc/en/handbook/ directory, but while the migration is happening, doc/handbook/ remains the 'current' copy of the Handbook. Once the migration has been completed, doc/handbook/ will be removed. The Japanese translators should probably still branch their repository, since I'm not sure how long it will be until the converted handbook is complete. The FAQ will (eventually) go through the same process, leaving us with doc/en, doc/jp and so on. For symmetry the existing man pages could (at some future point) also move to /doc/en/man/, although that's probably such a contentious change you can forgot I even mentioned it :-) N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 10:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09190 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09162; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:20:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02392; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:20:47 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA10750; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:20:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980331192029.56079@iii.co.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:20:29 +0100 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Affilliate with Amazon or Barnes and Noble? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, [cc'd to Jordan in his PR and Corporate Liason role] I've just been poking around the _Amazon_ and _Barnes and Noble_ websites. >From what I can tell, both of these companies are running 'affilliate' programs. In a nutshell, you include links to books that people can buy through them, and they pay you a percentage of the purchase price of all the books that are bought through your links. This seems like a good way to earn at least a litte money for the project via the web site, and also raise the profile of the books that should be on the shelf of every FreeBSD administrator. Initial links to both those companies' schemes are and (copied straight from my browser, you may need to trim some of the dynamic crud of the URL). Thoughts? N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 13:23:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27056 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.ac-amiens.fr (dns.ac-amiens.fr [194.199.47.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27033 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:23:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from serge.sauton@ac-amiens.fr) Received: from inf-voisin.inforoute.cgs.fr (dyn-14.bvs.oleane.com [194.2.24.14]) by dns.ac-amiens.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA20565 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:23:38 +0200 Message-ID: <000701bd5ceb$a032ddc0$0e1802c2@inf-voisin.inforoute.cgs.fr> From: "Serge Sauton" To: Subject: a doc in french Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:26:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CFC.61EEDD00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Message en plusieurs parties et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CFC.61EEDD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello ! I am teacher in a french school and i would like to install FreeBsd in = my computer but i know it just by his name ! Could you tell me if there is a french documentation for it and where i = can find the latest version of FreeBsd ? Thank you very much and excuse me for my english... Serge Sauton ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CFC.61EEDD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello !
 
I am teacher in a french school and = i would like=20 to install FreeBsd in my computer but i know it just by his name = !
Could you tell me if there is a french documentation = for it=20 and where i can find the latest version of FreeBsd ?
Thank you very much and excuse me for my=20 english...
 
Serge Sauton
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CFC.61EEDD00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 15:10:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20446 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20254; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA22628; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:08:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980331170851.26859@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:08:51 -0600 From: dannyman To: nik@iii.co.uk, Jun Kuriyama Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) Mail-Followup-To: nik@iii.co.uk, Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 03:50:59PM +0100 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 03:50:59PM +0100, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: [...] > I'm not aware of any reason why the English version of the Handbook (and > eventually the FAQ) shouldn't be in their own language specific directory > as well (except historical accident, of course). > > Comments from anyone else appreciated. Just to play devil's advocate here; what version of the handbook would future translations be based on? Or should docs be maintained seperately by each language's user group? Or, what I wanna say is ... shouldn't there be some "common" or "standard" set of documentation ... that various translations would contribute to / be based on? I'm just thinking that if the English were default, that would make sense from the point of view of a sort of centralized "standard" doc set that all others are related to. Of course, having one's own subdirectory doesn't mean this can't be done. Does anyone get my point? It seems rather unimpressive. :) -dan -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 15:34:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26772 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:34:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA26725 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:34:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Hakinger@hem.passagen.se) Received: from [195.42.193.101] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0017/) with ESMTP id la030171 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:34:23 +0200 Date: , 31 1998 23:33:46 GMT To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Hakinger@hem.passagen.se (Pentti) Subject: Where X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Opera/3.0; Windows 95/NT4) v3.1 Message-Id: <23342358708185@wineasy.se> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there! I´m interested in Freebsd, and would like to download it. But there´s one problem, maybe I´m stupid or something, but I can´t understand what file i should download. What is the name of the file? I´ve been looking in you Ftp-sites but can´t find anything that reminds of an Freebsd file for download. Pentti@wineasy.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 21:07:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12972 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:07:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12965 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23959; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:07:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <3521CB7D.171251B9@san.rr.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:07:09 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0325 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Cracauer CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "hackers" and "crackers" in FreeBSD handbook References: <19980331160032.46158@cons.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin Cracauer wrote: > > The FreeBSD handbook sometimes uses the term "hacker" for those > evil-minded security-breaking people we usually like to name > "crackers" (i.e. "evil.hackers.org"). > > I would like to change that to the correct term, anyone against it? My personal preference would be to avoid the use of "jargon" terms altogether. It would be better to describe exactly what you are referring to. This would help the people translating it into other languages as well. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 22:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18673 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:06:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kali.memes.com (root@[204.201.42.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18666 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:06:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narf@memes.com) Received: from narf.memes.com ([204.201.42.92]) by kali.memes.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA04718 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:06:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bd5d34$7370d960$5c2ac9cc@narf.memes.com> From: "narf" To: Subject: BSD will not install Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:07:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CF1.63BAC460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CF1.63BAC460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last line to install is: rootfs is 1440 kb compiled in MFS. When using scroll lock to review; find ie0 and ie1 have unknown board_id: f0000. Computer has supermicro mother board p5mma98, cyrix mx cpu, and a S3 = video card ( chip # 86C325 ). sysinstall seems to find HD, CD rom, floppy and zip drive OK. Have primary MS DOS slice at 450 mb, BSD slice at 900 mb, and rest of HD is extended MS DOS. Any ideas? =20 Thank you, sincerely, Richard Woolsey email: narf@memes.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CF1.63BAC460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Last line to install is: rootfs is 1440 kb = compiled in=20 MFS.
When using scroll lock to review; find ie0 = and ie1 have=20 unknown
board_id: f0000.
Computer has supermicro mother board p5mma98, = cyrix mx=20 cpu, and a S3 video card ( chip # 86C325 = ). =20 sysinstall seems to find HD,
CD rom, floppy  and zip drive = OK.   Have=20 primary MS DOS slice at
450 mb, BSD slice at 900 mb, and rest of HD = is extended=20 MS DOS.
 
Any ideas?  
 
Thank you,
sincerely, Richard Woolsey
email:  narf@memes.com   ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5CF1.63BAC460-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 22:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19572 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA19566 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:11:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jktheowl@bga.com) Received: (qmail 6366 invoked from network); 1 Apr 1998 06:11:30 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 1998 06:11:30 -0000 Received: from barnowl (apm5-162.realtime.net [205.238.146.162]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA06953; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:11:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:17:21 -0600 (CST) From: John Kenagy X-Sender: jktheowl@barnowl To: Studded cc: Martin Cracauer , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "hackers" and "crackers" in FreeBSD handbook In-Reply-To: <3521CB7D.171251B9@san.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Agreed. One of the primary problems facing anyone trying to learn FreeBSD or anything else for that matter is jargon. Words that are familiar to the knowlegeable may be incomprehensible to neophytes. When there is no choice but to use jargon, the context must illuminate the word's intended meaning. John On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > > The FreeBSD handbook sometimes uses the term "hacker" for those > > evil-minded security-breaking people we usually like to name > > "crackers" (i.e. "evil.hackers.org"). > > > > I would like to change that to the correct term, anyone against it? > > My personal preference would be to avoid the use of "jargon" terms > altogether. It would be better to describe exactly what you are > referring to. This would help the people translating it into other > languages as well. > > Doug > > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest > *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. > *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 22:47:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25737 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:47:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25716 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veronicap@eliteeng.com) Received: from veronicp (ppp-207-105-152-147.nhwd02.pacbell.net [207.105.152.147]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id WAA21923 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:47:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3521E5AB.736@eliteeng.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:58:51 -0800 From: Veronica Paz Reply-To: veronicap@eliteeng.com, vpaz@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm still not clear on what FreeBSD means. Is this a software that's easily installed like other software? Will it work on WIN NT? Thanks, Veronica Paz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 23:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28752 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28743 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA05678; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:01:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980401010131.43267@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:01:31 -0600 From: dannyman To: veronicap@eliteeng.com, vpaz@pacbell.net, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mail-Followup-To: veronicap@eliteeng.com, vpaz@pacbell.net, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3521E5AB.736@eliteeng.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <3521E5AB.736@eliteeng.com>; from Veronica Paz on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 10:58:51PM -0800 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 10:58:51PM -0800, Veronica Paz wrote: > I'm still not clear on what FreeBSD means. Is this a software that's > easily installed like other software? Will it work on WIN NT? FreeBSD is an Operating System. It's more work to install than an application. It works much better than Windows NT. -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 23:10:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00767 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (mail-gw.utimaco.co.at [195.96.28.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00756 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Michael.Schuster@utimaco.co.at) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by safeconcept.utimaco.co.at (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA20061; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:47:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ultra1.utimaco.co.at(10.0.0.32) by safeconcept via smap (V2.0) id xma020059; Wed, 1 Apr 98 08:47:39 +0200 Message-ID: <3521E810.7678BEA1@utimaco.co.at> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:09:04 +0200 From: Michael Schuster Organization: Utimaco Safe Concept GmbH. Linz Austria X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: veronicap@eliteeng.com, vpaz@pacbell.net CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD References: <3521E5AB.736@eliteeng.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Veronica Paz wrote: > I'm still not clear on what FreeBSD means. Is this a software that's > easily installed like other software? depends on your definition of "other software" :-) FreeBSD is an operating system - some people say "unix-like", I call it "unix". FreeBSD is NOT application software. For (much) more information, see http://www.freebsd.org/ or http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ > Will it work on WIN NT? no, it will work instead of WinNT, and better and quite a bit more reliable and stable, and faster at that ... And it's not by Microsoft! > Thanks, > Veronica Paz -- Michael Schuster To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 31 23:32:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03354 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03329 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24991; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <3521ED98.BCA1D675@san.rr.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:40 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0325 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pentti CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where References: <23342358708185@wineasy.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pentti wrote: > > Hi there! > > I´m interested in Freebsd, and would like to download it. > But there´s one problem, maybe I´m stupid or something, but I can´t understand what file i should download. > What is the name of the file? I´ve been looking in you Ftp-sites but can´t find anything that reminds of an Freebsd > file for download. Well, there's more than one file. :) You want to take a look at all of the *.TXT documents at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE. If you have questions after that, please send them to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 00:10:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08871 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:10:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.siscom.net (root@mail.siscom.net [206.244.171.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08864 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:10:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bounty@siscom.net) Received: from the-bounty (ppp11.day-oh.siscom.net [209.57.242.11]) by mail.siscom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA00389 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:10:36 -0500 Received: by the-bounty with Microsoft Mail id <01BD5D1A.69AB2A80@the-bounty>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD5D1A.69AB2A80@the-bounty> From: Sean Holmes To: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: installation boot disk documentation Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:55:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id AAA08865 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok this can not be that damn hard....however everytime I get to the terminal, dial my isp, login, and try to move on with the install I get this crap; about how I cant connect to ftp.freebsd.org So where is the options on the network setup screen Currently I have the following Hostname: bounty (my login) Domain: siscom.net (my isp) Nameserver: 206.244.171.100 (my isp's ip address) Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 (the default) Everything else is blank So what am I doing wrong? Why can't I continue with the ftp installation? And while im at it I would have just bought the cd-rom however walnut creek informed me that there is a newer version out that wont be on cd and available for them to ship for a few weeks So here I am trying to do an ftp install, spending hours flipping through the same install screens, getting nowhere but pissed off Can u help? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 00:28:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12689 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:28:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12470; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14674; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:23:39 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA01352; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:23:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:23:24 +0100 To: dannyman Cc: Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> <19980331170851.26859@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980331170851.26859@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu>; from dannyman on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:08:51PM -0600 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:08:51PM -0600, dannyman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 03:50:59PM +0100, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > [...] > > I'm not aware of any reason why the English version of the Handbook (and > > eventually the FAQ) shouldn't be in their own language specific directory > > as well (except historical accident, of course). > > > > Comments from anyone else appreciated. > > Just to play devil's advocate here; what version of the handbook would > future translations be based on? Or should docs be maintained seperately > by each language's user group? I see your point. As far as I can tell, the Japanese translation has been done by translating the English Handbook, and there has been no new content added to the Japanese version (apologies in advance to the Japanese team if this is not the case, I've only skimmed the commit messages). I think it does make sense for there to be one 'canonical' version of the Handbook from which all other translations are derived. So far, that's the English version, and will probably continue to be, if for no other reason than that's the way things are at the moment. There's certainly nothing to stop anyone submitting changes to the Handbook (and other documentation) in languages other than English, but obviously an English translation would be preferred simply because it's more convenient for most of the committers. I hope that doesn't come across as being too parochial. As you point out, this doesn't prevent the English version of the Handbook (and FAQ, and so on) being in its own doc/en/ directory hierarchy. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 00:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13418 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13406 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bh@epigram.com) Received: from [38.28.60.46] ([38.28.60.46]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14137; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:31:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: brandon@209.0.75.3 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BD5D1A.69AB2A80@the-bounty> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:42 -0700 To: Sean Holmes From: Brandon Huey Subject: Re: installation boot disk documentation Cc: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org are you certain 'bounty' is your hostname, or that you have a static address from your isp? btw, sysinstall does have a field for your ip address (which you didn't include below) -bh At 11:55 PM -0500 3/27/98, Sean Holmes wrote: >Ok this can not be that damn hard....however everytime I get to the >terminal, dial my isp, login, and try to move on with the install I get >this crap; about how I cant connect to ftp.freebsd.org >So where is the options on the network setup screen >Currently I have the following >Hostname: bounty (my login) >Domain: siscom.net (my isp) >Nameserver: 206.244.171.100 (my isp's ip address) >Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 (the default) >Everything else is blank >So what am I doing wrong? >Why can't I continue with the ftp installation? >And while im at it I would have just bought the cd-rom however walnut >creek informed me that there is a newer version out that wont be on cd and >available for them to ship for a few weeks >So here I am trying to do an ftp install, spending hours flipping through >the same install screens, getting nowhere but pissed off >Can u help? > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 00:37:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14281 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14275 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17010; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:37:06 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA01380; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:36:52 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980401093651.59630@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:36:51 +0100 To: Serge Sauton Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a doc in french References: <000701bd5ceb$a032ddc0$0e1802c2@inf-voisin.inforoute.cgs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <000701bd5ceb$a032ddc0$0e1802c2@inf-voisin.inforoute.cgs.fr>; from Serge Sauton on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 11:26:08PM +0200 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 11:26:08PM +0200, Serge Sauton wrote: > I am teacher in a french school and i would like to install FreeBsd in > my computer but i know it just by his name ! > > Could you tell me if there is a french documentation for it and where i > can find the latest version of FreeBsd ? As far as I am aware, there is not (currently) a French translation for the FreeBSD documentation. If there is (and someone knows about it) it's not listed at You'll probably reach a wider audience if you ask the same question in the comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc newsgroup. It's also worth checking (if you haven't already) to see if there is an equivalent newsgroup in the fr.* hierarchy. If you would be interested on working on a translation, this would be a great opportunity to massively increase your FreeBSD expertise. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 00:59:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17610 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:59:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17527; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26601; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: nik@iii.co.uk cc: dannyman , Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:23:24 +0100." <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:58:04 -0800 Message-ID: <26597.891421084@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think it does make sense for there to be one 'canonical' version of the > Handbook from which all other translations are derived. So far, that's > the English version, and will probably continue to be, if for no other I am of two opinions on this one. One opinion says that if there are some Japanese folks (just for example) who have some *great* ideas for improving the Japanese FAQ & Handbook but can only apply these ideas to the Japanese version then those ideas should not be held back just on account of the english version. Our docs situation is bad enough without making the situation worse by being inflexibly wedded to some syncronization model. The other opinion says that without a reasonably canonical version of these docs, chaos can be the only eventual result and we'll also be depriving ourselves of a decent body of english-language documentation which has far more international value (as a "lingua franca" ;-) than any of the translated versions. I guess the only practical approach to take here is a pragmatic one, considering how few volunteers we have for docs. If we can get folks to improve *any* of the docs significantly beyond what we have now, we take it regardless of the language. If we can also get folks to understand the importance of the english docs, hopefully so much so that they put significant work into making the english docs a better "template version" for all their own work (my fondest wish, you see), then we'll have won the game. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 01:46:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24852 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:46:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns11.rim.or.jp (root@ns11.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24819; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp) Received: from rayearth.rim.or.jp (rayearth.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.242]) by ns11.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl2-ns11/RIMNET-2) with ESMTP id SAA04155; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:46:26 +0900 (JST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rayearth.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl2-uucp1/RIMNET) with UUCP id SAA15585; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:46:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from ron.snipe.rim.or.jp (localhost.snipe.rim.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by ron.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id SAA03890; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:44:10 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199804010944.SAA03890@ron.snipe.rim.or.jp> To: nik@iii.co.uk, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> <19980331170851.26859@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> In-reply-to: Message from nik@iii.co.uk of <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:44:10 +0900 From: Motoyuki Konno Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > I see your point. As far as I can tell, the Japanese translation has been > done by translating the English Handbook, and there has been no new content > added to the Japanese version (apologies in advance to the Japanese team > if this is not the case, I've only skimmed the commit messages). The difference between English and Japanese handbook are very few. We added info of mirror site in Japan, description of Japanese Documentation Project (translation team), guide of "how to get FreeBSD info in Japanese", etc. > I think it does make sense for there to be one 'canonical' version of the > Handbook from which all other translations are derived. So far, that's > the English version, and will probably continue to be, if for no other > reason than that's the way things are at the moment. I think the English version continues to be the standard, because non-English --> non-English (ex: French --> Japanese) translation will be very difficult. Many of FreeBSD users in Japan can read documents in English, but most of them can not read French, Spanish, etc. --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno mkonno@res.yamanashi-med.ac.jp (Univ) motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp (Home) motoyuki@jp.FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD) Yamanashi Medical University http://www.jp.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 02:14:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28533 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:14:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28522; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:14:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22243; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA01648; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:13:50 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980401111348.41681@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:13:48 +0100 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, mbarkah@FreeBSD.ORG, paul@FreeBSD.ORG, dave@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:00:53AM +0000 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:00:53AM +0000, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > Based on comments made on this list and to me in private over the past > week or so, I've made a stab at rewriting and expanding some of the > information about the project that's available on the web site. Many thanks to everyone who made suggestions and recommendations. I committed the result of all the suggestions last night, and it should soon be visible at N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 02:47:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02050 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:47:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02043 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27138 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:47:23 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA01700; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:47:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980401114709.24366@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:47:09 +0100 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk>; from Nik Clayton on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 03:50:59PM +0100 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 03:50:59PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Actually, something I hadn't considered before, and no one else seems > to have raised; would it make more sense for me to create a doc/en/handbook > directory, and do the conversion in there? Given that the comments so far have been positive, I've done this. Look for doc/en/handbook/README the next time you run CVSup (or whatever). N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 07:09:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14507 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:09:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (root@mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14499; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:09:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (ppp371.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.71]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4W3-rim1.1) with ESMTP id AAA19106; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:09:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (earth [192.168.1.2]) by moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl4/moon-0.9) with ESMTP id XAA05081; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:55:38 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <35225540.E84C3272@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:54:56 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG CC: committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > Actually, something I hadn't considered before, and no one else seems > to have raised; would it make more sense for me to create a doc/en/handbook > directory, and do the conversion in there? I think noone of Japanese Doc Team has any objections about this. :-) > Of course, if I did this then I may as well remove the branch. Hmmm. Will you use branch? Or put Handbook which is converted to DocBook into /doc/en/handbook/ ? > I plan to start converting the Handbook around 1830 BST. When conversion is started, please tell us concrete command line you used to know what is happen. Thanks. -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 08:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27755 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:07:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk ([195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27687; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06034; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:07:12 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA02326; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:06:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980401170657.14561@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:06:57 +0100 To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? References: <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> <35225540.E84C3272@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <35225540.E84C3272@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp>; from Jun Kuriyama on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 11:54:56PM +0900 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 11:54:56PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > Of course, if I did this then I may as well remove the branch. > > Hmmm. Will you use branch? Or put Handbook which is converted to > DocBook into /doc/en/handbook/ ? This is my plan: - At 1830 BST (or thereabouts), I'll tag doc/handbook/ with 2 tags. LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_START and LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK. These will be regular tags, *not* branch tags. - I will then start converting the handbook, as outlined in http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/docbook-migration.html (sections 6 and onwards). The converted handbook will be placed in doc/en/handbook/. - As I convert the handbook (and this will probably take several evenings) I'll commit each change group. In addition, I'll update the README file in doc/en/handbook/ to explain (in detail) how I made the change, so that the Japanese team can follow as and when they want to. Most of those changes will be markup changes. However, I'll try and keep the DocBook version in sync with any changes that happen to doc/handbook by periodically looking at the result of % cvs diff -u -r LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK in doc/handbook, and updating the position of the LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK tag after I've merged in the changes. The merge will have to be done by hand (without CVS assistance) since the filenames are unlikely to be the same, and the markup changes will almost certainly be too different for CVS to comfortably handle. I think the Japanese team should do the following: - Wait until I've put down the LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_START tag. - Merge in any changes to the files in doc/handbook/ that have not been merged into doc/ja/handbook/, up to and including the file versions that match the LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_START tag. - Then, lay down your own tags. Since you'll (presumably) be doing this in the same directory, you'll want to branch the tree. I suggest something like % cvs checkout doc/ja/handbook % cd doc/ja/handbook % cvs tag LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP first. The file versions of the LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP tagged files should match (or be equivalent to) the versions of the files on the English side tagged with LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_START. Then branch the tree % cvs rtag -b -r LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK \ doc/ja/handbook This was what I had planned to do, but I don't need to because I'll be doing the conversion in a different directory. - At this point you can wait for me to finish the conversion and then sync up, or you can match my commits as I make them. That's entirely up to you. Eventually, you will have a new set of files on the LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK branch that can completely replace the files on the HEAD. Once you do this merge, doc/en/handbook and doc/ja/handbook should be marked up in the same way, and doc/handbook can bite the dust (once the problems involving the conversion to other formats have been ironed out). OK? N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 13:53:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21890 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:53:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21859 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:53:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18150; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:53:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:53:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Sean Holmes cc: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: installation boot disk documentation In-Reply-To: <01BD5D1A.69AB2A80@the-bounty> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Sean Holmes wrote: > Ok this can not be that damn hard....however everytime I get to the terminal, dial my isp, login, and try to move on with the install I get this crap; about how I cant connect to ftp.freebsd.org > So where is the options on the network setup screen > Currently I have the following > Hostname: bounty (my login) Leave the hostname blank; PPP will fill it in automatically. Everything else looks just fine. Also, questions like this should be directed at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 1 22:11:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29732 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:11:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29352; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:07:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-090.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.90]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA14405; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id GAA02399; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:07:04 GMT Message-ID: <19980401220704.35552@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:07:04 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: nik@iii.co.uk, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> <19980331170851.26859@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> <199804010944.SAA03890@ron.snipe.rim.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199804010944.SAA03890@ron.snipe.rim.or.jp>; from Motoyuki Konno on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 06:44:10PM +0900 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The difference between English and Japanese handbook are very few. > We added info of mirror site in Japan, description of Japanese > Documentation Project (translation team), guide of "how to get FreeBSD > info in Japanese", etc. Any reason to not fold these into the English version too? Either for interest (to see how far reaching FreeBSD is). Or for someone reading the English version but looking for information pretaining to Japan. Or just so the docs are in sync. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 00:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24466 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from 12.64.0.211 (211.san-francisco-01.ca.dial-access.att.net [12.64.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23151; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:22:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804020822.AAA23151@hub.freebsd.org> From: To: Subject: CELL PHONE BATTERY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SORRY FOR THIS INTRUSION, BUT FRIEND, THIS NEWS IS SO EXCITING, I JUST HAD TO TELL YOU!!! 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Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 01:18:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09238 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns11.rim.or.jp (root@ns11.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09229; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp) Received: from rayearth.rim.or.jp (rayearth.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.242]) by ns11.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl2-ns11/RIMNET-2) with ESMTP id SAA27015; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:18:36 +0900 (JST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rayearth.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl2-uucp1/RIMNET) with UUCP id SAA16526; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:18:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from ron.snipe.rim.or.jp (localhost.snipe.rim.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by ron.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id SAA10534; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:16:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199804020916.SAA10534@ron.snipe.rim.or.jp> To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, nik@iii.co.uk, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Move handbook to doc/en/handbook as part of DTD migration? (was Re: LINUXDOC_2_DOCBOOK_BP branch applied to doc/handbook) X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19980401220704.35552@nuxi.com> <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> <19980330183652.07840@iii.co.uk> <3520D677.7DF34125@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <19980331155059.24295@iii.co.uk> <19980331170851.26859@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> <19980401092324.11179@iii.co.uk> <199804010944.SAA03890@ron.snipe.rim.or.jp> In-reply-to: Message from "David O'Brien" of <19980401220704.35552@nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:16:45 +0900 From: Motoyuki Konno Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David O'Brien" wrote: > > The difference between English and Japanese handbook are very few. > > We added info of mirror site in Japan, description of Japanese > > Documentation Project (translation team), guide of "how to get FreeBSD > > info in Japanese", etc. > > Any reason to not fold these into the English version too? I think there is no reason. # Because some of our members (includes me) feel difficulty # in Japanese -> English translation :-) > Either for interest (to see how far reaching FreeBSD is). > Or for someone reading the English version but looking for information > pretaining to Japan. > Or just so the docs are in sync. I agree. I will make the lists of difference between English and Japanese version. --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno mkonno@res.yamanashi-med.ac.jp (Univ) motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp (Home) motoyuki@jp.FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD) Yamanashi Medical University http://www.jp.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 04:05:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28484 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:05:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk ([195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28447; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:05:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25615; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:04:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA03987; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:04:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980402130431.57750@iii.co.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:04:32 +0100 To: Capriotti Cc: sue@welearn.com.au, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: login_getclass unknown class References: <3.0.32.19980402203119.00b419f0@pop.mpc.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980402203119.00b419f0@pop.mpc.com.br>; from Capriotti on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 08:31:42PM -0300 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ cc'd to -questions and -newbies again for more input. Also cc'd to -doc, since this is a documentation issue. Reply-to set to -doc, since that's *probably* the right place for this discussion. ] On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 08:31:42PM -0300, Capriotti wrote: > Also, maybe there could have a "Search" or "answers" button on > www.freebsd.org. That catches the eye and, also IMHO, works better than > "Support". There is. It's obviously not big enough :-) (it's three buttons along from the "Support" button). I've just had a look at the "Support" page. Hmm. IMHO, one of the first things that should say is something like All the FreeBSD mailing list messages and newsgroup postings are archived and can be searched. This should be your first port of call if you have a problem or question, because it is likely that someone else has had the same problem. Please be aware that every member of the mailing lists is a volunteer, and if your question has been asked (and answered) a lot they may be bored of answering it. It's in everyone's best interests if you search before posting. and then a link to the search page. And then the search page should have a "Tips for effective searching" link at the top, probably something like: Finding information in the FreeBSD archives can be a fine art, the mastery of which can make your life much easier. Please see these _tips for effective searching_ for more information. "Tips for effective searching" then looks something like Error messages If you are having a problem that is generating a specific error message, try searching for the error message. Replies Most e-mail and newsgroup replies start with "Re: ". Searching for this will find all the replies and not the original message. Chances are that it is the replies you are looking for. and so on. I'm sure there are more tips (including those in searchhints.html) Anyone else agree? If so, we can probably thrash out the wording a bit more and get something into shape. If some enterprising soul wants to do that then please, go for it. Otherwise I'll put it on my stack. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 07:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27077 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server4.mpcbbs.com.br ([200.246.0.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26940; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:26:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capriotti@geocities.com) Received: from hot_nt (node48.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.48]) by server4.mpcbbs.com.br (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09792; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:23:59 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980403001847.00aaf100@pop.mpc.com.br> X-Sender: capriotti@pop.mpc.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:20:37 -0300 To: nik@iii.co.uk From: Capriotti Subject: Re: login_getclass unknown class Cc: sue@welearn.com.au, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:04 PM 4/2/98 +0100, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 08:31:42PM -0300, Capriotti wrote: >> Also, maybe there could have a "Search" or "answers" button on >> www.freebsd.org. That catches the eye and, also IMHO, works better than >> "Support". > >There is. It's obviously not big enough :-) (it's three buttons along >from the "Support" button). > [blush] Shame on me :O To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 11:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24938 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from betasphere.com ([209.125.107.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24920 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:52:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pallen@betasphere.com) Received: from betasphere.com (maverick [209.125.107.215]) by betasphere.com (8.7.5/2.0) with ESMTP id LAA18610 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:51:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3523EC07.3800471@betasphere.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:50:31 -0800 From: Paul Allen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: QA managers and product marketers sought Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do you have any lists that would meet these criteria? Thanks, Paul Allen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 16:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07193 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:06:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07041; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue2@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue2@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24505; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980403100552.64671@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:52 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: login_getclass unknown class Reply-To: Sue Blake References: <19980402145006.12250@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 11:03:09AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 11:03:09AM -0800, Doug White wrote: > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > I don't know the correct answer so I won't guess. IIRC the errata on the CD > > was wrong. The errata for 2.2.2 does not appear to be available on the FTP > > site. The errata for 2.2.5 doesn't address this problem. The mail archive > > contains scores of guesses that won't help. The answer was kindly posted > > here earlier this week but would not be in the mail archive yet. > > See http://www.freebsd.org/releases/2.2.2R/errata.html > > We should add a little note to the default motd: > > Please see http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ for up-to-the-minute errata > and security advisories. Please check the errata for this release before > seeking technical assistance from the FreeBSD mailing lists. Great idea! :-) It would solve a lot of the problems of this kind. Something similar on the web pages would be good, except that people looking at the web pages have no idea that each mailto: is broadcasting to a mailing list rather than an individual. I suspect that's where a lot of the more tedious and embarrassing questions are coming from. Perhaps something prominent on the web site like: Please see http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ for up-to-the-minute errata and security advisories. Please also check the mailing list archives http://www.freebsd.org/search.html before seeking technical assistance from the FreeBSD Questions mailing list (questions@freebsd.org). -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 17:23:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18909 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:23:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing.infoinsights.com ([208.151.124.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18880 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dustin@infoinsights.com) Received: from localhost (dustin@localhost) by nothing.infoinsights.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA07219 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:17:48 -0900 (AKST) (envelope-from dustin@infoinsights.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:17:47 -0900 (AKST) From: Dustin Andrews To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Documentation for virtual domain service. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have completed a draft of a document on how to manage virtual domains using FreeBSD. The reason I wrote this document is because, 1. Thats what my job is. I have been doing it long enough to feel qualified to write on it. and 2. The documentation I could find, when I started out, was very piecemeal and not all that helpful. I would very much like for you to take a look and tell me if you think it is worthy to include in the handbook. It could use a bit more work. There may be some typos lurking in it someplace and the table of contents needs to be hyper-linked. the document can be viewed at http://www.infoinsights.com/~dustin/FreeBSD-domains.html Thanks for your time. -- Dustin Andrews, 907 452-2461 -- Email: dustin@infoinsights.com dustina@mindless.com "If only I had known. I would have been a locksmith." --Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 17:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19554 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19521; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sderdau@xtdl.com) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by user.xtdl.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA08680; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:30:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: Sue Blake cc: Doug White , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: login_getclass unknown class In-Reply-To: <19980403100552.64671@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org May I add since I started this...something on the website that indicates you can search for terms login_getglass or relative terms. The only time I ever thought of searching the archives etc was if I had a specific term like search install , xwindows XSERVER , sendmail, ... I didn't think of searching for error messages at all. I am new to all this and I do try to get the answers on my own. I have the docs handbook etc ....installed and have used them.....even gone to the website to get answers ,,, I didn't mean to cause any problems I appreciate FreeBSD and these lists. I have learned quit alot as well. Enough to have landed a job as a systems operator/admin. I can get around on a UNIX system and some people even think I know what I am doing. I don't but it's sure fun learning this stuff. ;-) I am looking forward to one day be able to contribute to FreeBSD in whatever way I can. Really Thanks alot !!!!!!!!!! Thank You ! Stephen A. Derdau "So What if it is wrong. I am getting closer to the right answer!" "If I had a nickle for every time I was wrrong , I would want a quarter instead. :-)" On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 11:03:09AM -0800, Doug White wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > > > I don't know the correct answer so I won't guess. IIRC the errata on the CD > > > was wrong. The errata for 2.2.2 does not appear to be available on the FTP > > > site. The errata for 2.2.5 doesn't address this problem. The mail archive > > > contains scores of guesses that won't help. The answer was kindly posted > > > here earlier this week but would not be in the mail archive yet. > > > > See http://www.freebsd.org/releases/2.2.2R/errata.html > > > > We should add a little note to the default motd: > > > > Please see http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ for up-to-the-minute errata > > and security advisories. Please check the errata for this release before > > seeking technical assistance from the FreeBSD mailing lists. > > > Great idea! :-) It would solve a lot of the problems of this kind. > > > Something similar on the web pages would be good, except that people looking > at the web pages have no idea that each mailto: is broadcasting to a mailing > list rather than an individual. I suspect that's where a lot of the more > tedious and embarrassing questions are coming from. > > Perhaps something prominent on the web site like: > > Please see http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ for up-to-the-minute errata and > security advisories. Please also check the mailing list archives > http://www.freebsd.org/search.html before seeking technical assistance from > the FreeBSD Questions mailing list (questions@freebsd.org). > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 2 21:45:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22158 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:45:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailext02.compaq.com (mailext02.compaq.com [207.18.199.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA22142 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:45:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from mail.compaq.com(really [207.18.199.34]) by mailext02.compaq.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:37:29 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.93 1997-Apr-12 #2 built 1997-Dec-21) Received: from papillon.lemis.com(really [202.48.19.19]) by mail.compaq.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 2 Apr 98 23:45:18 -0600 (CST) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.10 built 18-dec-97) Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id SAA00337; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:52:14 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <19980402185213.37032@papillon.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:52:13 +0900 From: Greg Lehey To: John Kenagy , Studded Cc: Martin Cracauer , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "hackers" and "crackers" in FreeBSD handbook References: <3521CB7D.171251B9@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from John Kenagy on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 12:17:21AM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 April 1998 at 0:17:21 -0600, John Kenagy wrote: >> Martin Cracauer wrote: >>> >>> The FreeBSD handbook sometimes uses the term "hacker" for those >>> evil-minded security-breaking people we usually like to name >>> "crackers" (i.e. "evil.hackers.org"). >>> >>> I would like to change that to the correct term, anyone against it? >> >> My personal preference would be to avoid the use of "jargon" terms >> altogether. It would be better to describe exactly what you are >> referring to. This would help the people translating it into other >> languages as well. > > Agreed. One of the primary problems facing anyone trying to learn > FreeBSD or anything else for that matter is jargon. Words that are > familiar to the knowlegeable may be incomprehensible to neophytes. I think we need to look at this in a more differentiated manner. Many technical terms were once jargon. How about "software"? How about "hardware"? We need to use jargon in moderation, agreed, but a complete lack would appear stilted. I'm in favour of Martin's modifications. And more... > When there is no choice but to use jargon, the context must illuminate > the word's intended meaning. Definitely. The word "hacker" is dear to the heart of many FreeBSD hackers. We should explain what it means. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 3 11:50:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05064 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:50:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05038; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA05118; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:50:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980403135001.29463@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:50:01 -0600 From: dannyman To: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Affilliate with Amazon or Barnes and Noble? Mail-Followup-To: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980331192029.56079@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980331192029.56079@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 07:20:29PM +0100 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone moved forward on this? Perhaps if Jordan is busy, we can fill out the paperwork and stuff and just put down FreeBSD/Walnut Creek or whatever as the place to receive the checks, then keep an appropriate page in the docs somewhare and mention under "Contributing to FreeBSD" that a neat, painless way to contribute a small pittance would be to buy books through the links supplied. This actually seems like a real neat idea, and I'm toying with the idea of taking book reccomendations from folks and keeping them on my own web site so that readers may in some small way support my "habit" ... -dan -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 3 14:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15626 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15555; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15869; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: dannyman cc: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Affilliate with Amazon or Barnes and Noble? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:50:01 CST." <19980403135001.29463@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:04:16 -0800 Message-ID: <15866.891641056@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I haven't had much time for this kind of thing lately - I'm trying to get the next newsletter out. Could you guys perhaps just run with this and get back to me? :-) Thanks! Jordan > Has anyone moved forward on this? > > Perhaps if Jordan is busy, we can fill out the paperwork and stuff and just p ut > down FreeBSD/Walnut Creek or whatever as the place to receive the checks, > then keep an appropriate page in the docs somewhare and mention under > "Contributing to FreeBSD" that a neat, painless way to contribute a small > pittance would be to buy books through the links supplied. > > This actually seems like a real neat idea, and I'm toying with the idea of > taking book reccomendations from folks and keeping them on my own web site > so that readers may in some small way support my "habit" ... > > -dan > > -- > // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves > \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 3 18:00:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04182 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04164; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:00:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA07562; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:00:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980403200017.56558@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:00:17 -0600 From: dannyman To: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Affilliate with Amazon.com Mail-Followup-To: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, Jordan says we should take some intiative lining this up. I'll happily fill out the forms ... awww, heck, let's see what I'm up against; ----- Please fill out the name and address of the person in charge of your sponsoring Web site. This is the person to whom we will address all correspondence about your participation in the Associates Program. Please fill out the name and address of the person to whom we should send referral fee payments earned through this program. ----- The former I could volunteer for, aliasing an email address to anyone who might be interested in information, or just put Jordan in there, or tell them to email freebsd-docs. The latter is answered in the handbook; FreeBSD, Inc. c/o Jordan Hubbard 4041 Pike Lane, suite #D. Concord CA, 94520 As far as the website magic, putting links in with book referrals, that'd be up Nick's alley I guess, at least 'til I learn myself some DocBook and start submitting patches on my own ... :) Feedback !?!? (Please, I don't wanna go representing FreeBSD without someone grunting kinda positively about it.) -dan -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 3 21:29:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29165 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:29:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rigel.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (root@rigel.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.185.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29159 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (ppp374.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.74]) by rigel.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (8.8.8/3.6W/rigel-0.3) with ESMTP id OAA16280 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:29:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (earth [192.168.1.2]) by moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl4/moon-0.9) with ESMTP id OAA06559 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:24:29 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3525C3E1.6E2CE6A8@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:23:45 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doc Team Subject: Status of DocBook migration (Japanese version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am testing nik's steps in local hard disk until consensus in doc-jp is given. Results of some steps are preserved to commit repository later. 1. Preparation % mkdir ~/nik; cd nik % mkdir ja en % cvs -d /home/ncvs co -D '04/01/98' -d ja/handbook doc/ja/handbook % cvs -d /home/ncvs co -d en/handbook doc/en/handbook 2. Converting Modify nik's 2docbook.sh to fit my directory structure and rename it to 2docbook-ja.sh. % sh 2docbook-ja.sh I got warning message "nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/linuxdoc/catalog:8:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported", but ignore it. 3. Reindent by XEmacs XEmacs with Mule feature cannot auto-recognize Japanese character code set (why?). So I use "C-u C-x C-f handbook-db.sgmleuc-jp" to load file. And eval nik's elisp hook and function, then "M-x sgml-indent-buffer". 4. Refill by XEmacs Hmmm. Japanese text is difficult to auto-refill by computer because Japanese text doesn't use space separeted word breaking. So elegant auto-refilling needs word dictionary of Japanese. An earthy way I choiced is using wet-ware in our brain :-) So this step is postponed until refilling is necessary. 5. Automatic change for removing Generated source includes " *" in some places. So I modify nik's para.pl using " *" instead of "". % ./para.pl ja/handbook/handbook-db.sgml > handbook.sgml But this includes undesired phrase like "\n *\n". I will remove these phrases later (by hand). 6. ... I have changed "handbook.sgml" to follow nik's handbook.sgml (rev 1.5). So I think Japanese Handbook is sync'ed with English version now :-) -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 4 03:39:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04531 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 03:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA04524 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 03:39:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65/AndrewR-930902) id AA29502; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:07:31 +0930 Received: by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA21403; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:06:34 +0930 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:06:34 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mailing lists in the handbook Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I pointed a friend towards FreeBSD as a possible solution for a CS project requiring a realtime OS, and told him to look on the website for the address of the freebsd-realtime list. However, the webpage links to a section of the handbook listing the available mailing lists, which does not mention the realtime list (it is however available from the search page, which is how I knew of its' existence). I havent checked whether some of the other more recent mailing lists have made it into the docs, but I suspect not. Any chance of someone updating these docs? Thanks, Kris WOWBO /\ . Through the darkness of future past, /\ . BWOWB OBWOW /##\/#\ The Magician longs to see. /##\/#\ BOBWO WBOBW / \ One chance out between two worlds, / \ OWBOB WOWBO / \ Fire, Walk with me! / \ BWOWB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 4 08:33:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05001 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.tccsweb.com (ts40l5.pathcom.com [209.112.19.14] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04995 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@www.tccsweb.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by shell.tccsweb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00735; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:07:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:07:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804040207.VAA00735@shell.tccsweb.com> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7.2 From: test.message@www.tccsweb.com Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Cc: hi@www.tccsweb.com, there@www.tccsweb.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi there To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message