From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 06:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21964 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21957 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA23210; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from istari.home.net (cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com [24.3.25.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21568 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjr@home.net) Received: (from sjr@localhost) by istari.home.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA08540; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805101308.JAA08540@istari.home.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: sjr@home.net Reply-To: sjr@home.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6571: Minor typo in dump man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6571 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Minor typo in dump man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 10 06:10:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stephen J. Roznowski >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 >Environment: >Description: There's a minor typo at the bottom of the man page. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- sbin/dump/dump.8.orig Sun May 10 09:04:13 1998 +++ sbin/dump/dump.8 Sun May 10 09:04:24 1998 @@ -390,7 +390,7 @@ .Nm dump cannot do remote backups without being run as root, due to its security history. This will be fixed in a later version of FreeBSD. -Presently, it work if you set it setuid (like it used to be), but this +Presently, it works if you set it setuid (like it used to be), but this might constitute a security risk. .Sh HISTORY A >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 08:43:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02635 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02617 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA18425; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yk.rim.or.jp (root@mail.yk.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02468 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp) Received: from localhost (ppp064.yk.rim.or.jp [202.247.134.64]) by mail.yk.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4Wbeta6-rim1.1) with ESMTP id AAA10277; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:40:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19980511004004X.k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:40:04 +0900 From: horikawa@jp.freebsd.org Reply-To: horikawa@jp.freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6572: groff_out(5) contains typo (`an be' should be `can be') Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6572 >Category: docs >Synopsis: groff_out(5) contains typo (`an be' should be `can be') >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 10 08:40:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kazuo Horikawa >Organization: personal user >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 >Environment: -stable and -current. >Description: The command `man 5 groff_out' shows: The names of characters and fonts an be of arbitrary length; drivers should not assume that they will be only two characters long. I think that `an be' in the previous paragraph should be `can be'. >How-To-Repeat: % man 5 groff_out >Fix: Apply following patch to src/contrib/groff/man/groff_out.man (rev.1.1.1.1). --- groff_out.man.orig Mon May 11 00:09:44 1998 +++ groff_out.man Tue May 5 02:13:47 1998 @@ -77,7 +77,7 @@ Note that single characters can have the eighth bit set, as can the names of fonts and special characters. .LP -The names of characters and fonts an be of arbitrary length; drivers +The names of characters and fonts can be of arbitrary length; drivers should not assume that they will be only two characters long. .LP When a character is to be printed, that character will always be >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 08:43:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02636 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02624 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA18434; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yk.rim.or.jp (root@mail.yk.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02476 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp) Received: from localhost (ppp064.yk.rim.or.jp [202.247.134.64]) by mail.yk.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4Wbeta6-rim1.1) with ESMTP id AAA10353; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:40:47 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19980511004027F.k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:40:27 +0900 From: horikawa@jp.freebsd.org Reply-To: horikawa@jp.freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6573: While core(5) says NBPG gives page size, NBPG does not exist. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6573 >Category: docs >Synopsis: While core(5) says NBPG gives page size, NBPG does not exist. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 10 08:40:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kazuo Horikawa >Organization: personal user >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 >Environment: Both -stable .\" $Id: core.5,v 1.2.2.1 1996/12/31 22:50:39 mpp Exp $ and -current .\" $Id: core.5,v 1.5 1997/02/22 13:25:57 peter Exp $ >Description: The command `man 5 core' shows: The size of a ``page'' is given by the constant NBPG (also from ). But I cannot find `NBPG' definition via `find /usr/include | xargs grep NBPG'. I saw which is included by , and I found pagesize definition is `PAGE_SIZE'. So, I think that `NBPG' should be replaced with `PAGE_SIZE' on FreeBSD. >How-To-Repeat: % man 5 core >Fix: Apply following patch to src/share/man/man5/core.5 (rev.1.2.2.1 and rev.1.5). --- core.5.orig Mon May 11 00:04:35 1998 +++ core.5 Mon May 11 00:14:52 1998 @@ -95,7 +95,7 @@ .Ar u . area. The size of a ``page'' is given by the constant -.Dv NBPG +.Dv PAGE_SIZE (also from .Aq Pa sys/param.h ) . .Sh SEE ALSO >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 09:27:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06304 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saffron.fsl.noaa.gov (saffron.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.253.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06298 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saffron.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00343; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3555D560.7E035B67@plutotech.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:27:12 -0600 From: Sean Kelly Organization: NOAA/CIRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Justin T. Gibbs" CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Embedding graphics in SGML? References: <199805100014.SAA27715@pluto.plutotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can someone point me to a reference on how to embed graphics (diagrams) > into an SGML document? Using the Docbook DTD? Here's a reference: http://www.ora.com/davenport/dbdoc/ref/refpages/graph.htm Here's something that might be more useful ... an example: :-) ]> Some Figures In this chapter, we introduce some figures that exist in external GIF and Encapsulated PostScript files. Following this paragraph is a simple screenshot depicting a shot of the screen.
How the screen looks
depicts the class hierarchy.
Class hierarchy
--Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 09:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07535 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07518; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Message-Id: <199805101640.JAA07518@hub.freebsd.org> To: sjr@home.net, steve, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6571 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Minor typo in dump man page State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Sun May 10 09:40:07 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied to both -current and -stable. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 09:45:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08233 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08216; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Message-Id: <199805101645.JAA08216@hub.freebsd.org> To: steve, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh Subject: Re: docs/6561 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: CD-ROM distribution falls to include basic manifest on label Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jkh Responsible-Changed-By: steve Responsible-Changed-When: Sun May 10 09:44:02 PDT 1998 Responsible-Changed-Why: Hopefully Jordan's connections at Walnut Creek will help with this on future releases. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 14:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13433 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13387; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) From: Tim Vanderhoek Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA24011; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805102120.OAA24011@freefall.freebsd.org> To: joes@shasta.wstein.com, hoek@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6385 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: if pid_file is absent, newsyslog does not kill -HUP syslog State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Sun May 10 14:14:55 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: [the PR applied specifically to logfiles marked with B (BINARY)] Fixed in Rev. 1.19 of newsyslog.c. If you are interested, that rev should run finely on -stable, otherwise, merge pending. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 14:26:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13840 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:26:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13747; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Message-Id: <199805102125.OAA13747@hub.freebsd.org> To: wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, steve, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6510 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: sgmlfmt does not expand relative URLs State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Sun May 10 14:24:56 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: I believe this was intended as a followup to PR#6508. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 20:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29761 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:46:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29709; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Message-Id: <199805110346.UAA29709@hub.freebsd.org> To: horikawa@jp.freebsd.org, steve, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6573 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: While core(5) says NBPG gives page size, NBPG does not exist. State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Sun May 10 20:46:05 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Patch committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 10 20:49:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00841 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00740; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Message-Id: <199805110349.UAA00740@hub.freebsd.org> To: horikawa@jp.freebsd.org, steve, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6572 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: groff_out(5) contains typo (`an be' should be `can be') State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Sun May 10 20:49:15 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Patch committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 02:57:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13968 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) From: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from grom.mw.mil.pl (grom.mw.mil.pl [153.19.99.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13931 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from piotrp@grom.mw.mil.pl) Received: (from piotrp@localhost) by grom.mw.mil.pl (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA17181; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:00:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from piotrp) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:00:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199805111000.MAA17181@grom.mw.mil.pl> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7.2 Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 03:23:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17130 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17125 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id DAA28656; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.94.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA15759 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amakawa@nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (from amakawa@localhost) by nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06060; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:13:20 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from amakawa) Message-Id: <199805111013.TAA06060@nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:13:20 +0900 (JST) From: amakawa@hoh.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Reply-To: amakawa@hoh.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6586: bug in /usr/src/sbin/mount_umap.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6586 >Category: docs >Synopsis: bug in /usr/src/sbin/mount_umap.8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon May 11 03:20:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Amakawa Shuhei >Organization: Univ. of Tokyo >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 >Environment: PII266. >Description: The SYNOPSYS of mount_umap(8) says mount_umap [-o options] target mount-point uid-mapfile gid-mapfile This should read mount_umap [-o options] -u uid-mapfile -g gid-mapfile target mount-point >How-To-Repeat: Try `man mount_umap'. >Fix: Suggested patch: *** mount_umap.org.8 Sat Aug 24 05:35:18 1996 --- mount_umap.8 Mon May 11 19:08:18 1998 *************** *** 44,53 **** .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm mount_umap .Op Fl o Ar options .Ar target .Ar mount-point - .Ar uid-mapfile - .Ar gid-mapfile .Sh DESCRIPTION The .Nm mount_umap --- 44,53 ---- .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm mount_umap .Op Fl o Ar options + .Fl u Ar uid-mapfile + .Fl g Ar gid-mapfile .Ar target .Ar mount-point .Sh DESCRIPTION The .Nm mount_umap >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 09:07:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00293 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.lsa.net (home.lsa.net [208.148.14.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00286 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raven@lsa.net) Received: from sales ([208.148.14.13]) by home.lsa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-43903U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA164 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3557228E.1298@lsa.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:08:46 -0400 From: raven@lsa.net (Al Hansen) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD ver 2.2.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If anyone can help! I have loaded freeBSD onto a server (Pentium 120, 16mg ram), if first worked fine. Than I formatted and re-installed without any trouble, however it now will not take my Password. It comes back invalid login. What am I doing wrong, I loaded it the same way the first time? AL - lsa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 12:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05836 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:33:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05821 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA25685; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.94.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04097 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amakawa@nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (from amakawa@localhost) by nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA00954; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:24:22 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from amakawa) Message-Id: <199805111924.EAA00954@nebula.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 04:24:22 +0900 (JST) From: amakawa@hoh.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Reply-To: amakawa@hoh.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6593: wrong description in mount_umap(8) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6593 >Category: docs >Synopsis: wrong description in mount_umap(8) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon May 11 12:30:00 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Amakawa Shuhei >Organization: Univ. of Tokyo >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 >Environment: >Description: The description of the format of the id mapfile is wrong. You have to write an original-id and a local-id in the other way around. >How-To-Repeat: man mount_umap >Fix: *** mount_umap.org.8 Sat Aug 24 05:35:18 1996 --- mount_umap.new.8 Tue May 12 04:03:35 1998 *************** *** 92,99 **** describe the mappings to be made between identifiers. Briefly, the format of these files is a count of the number of mappings on the first line, with each subsequent line containing ! a single mapping. Each of these mappings consists of an id from ! the original environment and the corresponding id in the local environment, separated by white space. .Em uid-mapfile should contain all uid --- 92,99 ---- describe the mappings to be made between identifiers. Briefly, the format of these files is a count of the number of mappings on the first line, with each subsequent line containing ! a single mapping. Each of these mappings consists of an id in ! the local environment and the corresponding id from the original environment, separated by white space. .Em uid-mapfile should contain all uid >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 14:43:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26551 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26480; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous224.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.224]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09243; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:35:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.8.8) id XAA00829; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:06:34 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980511230632.62441@panke.de> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:06:32 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Steve Price Cc: wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, steve@hub.freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6510 References: <199805102125.OAA13747@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199805102125.OAA13747@hub.freebsd.org>; from Steve Price on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 02:25:46PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-05-10 14:25:46 -0700, Steve Price wrote: > Synopsis: sgmlfmt does not expand relative URLs > > State-Changed-From-To: open-closed > State-Changed-By: steve > State-Changed-When: Sun May 10 14:24:56 PDT 1998 > State-Changed-Why: > I believe this was intended as a followup to PR#6508. No. 6510 is a new PR for another problem. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 15:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09462 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (sprice@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09454 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21422; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:44:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Wolfram Schneider cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6510 In-Reply-To: <19980511230632.62441@panke.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 May 1998, Wolfram Schneider wrote: Ok. The titles were the same which led me to wonder if you had intended it as real report or a followup to an existing one. Could you provide me with a more detailed view of the problem? Thanks, Steve # No. 6510 is a new PR for another problem. # # -- # Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 16:03:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12337 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12325 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA26555; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ahimsa.welearn.com.au ([203.35.200.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11994 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@ahimsa.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by ahimsa.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14316; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:00:41 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199805112300.JAA14316@ahimsa.welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:00:41 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Reply-To: sue@welearn.com.au To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: ac199@hwcn.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6597: Proposed changes for mailto.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6597 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Proposed changes for mailto.html >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon May 11 16:00:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sue Blake >Organization: Disorganised Newbie >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386 >Environment: >Description: WWW visitors are sent to mailto.html to ask questions, where the first mailto link is to freebsd-doc and later one to freebsd-questions. Support questions are going to freebsd-doc by mistake. Visitors are surprised to discover their mail went to a public list. The auto-responder doesn't. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Reverse order of the two sections to encourage questions to -questions. Indicate nature of email destinations. Remove reference to freebsd-info@freebsd.org until it does something. *** mailto.sgml.old Mon May 11 09:25:52 1998 --- mailto.sgml Mon May 11 20:09:12 1998 *************** *** 8,27 **** &header;

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&footer; >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 11 23:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12426 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12419 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id XAA28004; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newport-1-13.quick.net (josh@newport-1-13.quick.net [207.212.160.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11495 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@newport-1-13.quick.net) Received: (from josh@localhost) by newport-1-13.quick.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13244; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh) Message-Id: <199805120623.XAA13244@newport-1-13.quick.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:23:41 -0700 (PDT) From: josh@quick.net Reply-To: josh@quick.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6599: .Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES -> .Sh ENVIRONMENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6599 >Category: docs >Synopsis: .Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES -> .Sh ENVIRONMENT >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon May 11 23:30:00 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Josh Gilliam >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 >Environment: src/bin/date/date.1 1.24 src/bin/df/df.1 1.11 src/bin/ls/ls.1 1.21 src/contrib/awk/doc/awk.1 1.1.1.1 src/contrib/bc/doc/bc.1 1.1.1.1 src/contrib/cvs/man/cvs.1 1.8 src/contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.man/vi.1 1.4 src/usr.bin/apply/apply.1 1.3 src/usr.bin/du/du.1 1.10 src/usr.sbin/pppctl/pppctl.8 1.9 src/usr.sbin/quot/quot.8 1.8 >Description: .Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES -> .Sh ENVIRONMENT >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- src/bin/date/date.1~ Sat May 9 01:45:50 1998 +++ src/bin/date/date.1 Mon May 11 22:39:18 1998 @@ -242,7 +242,7 @@ sets the time to .Li "2:32 PM" , without modifying the date. -.Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.Sh ENVIRONMENT The execution of .Nm is affected by the following environment variables: --- src/bin/df/df.1~ Thu Sep 18 00:45:12 1997 +++ src/bin/df/df.1 Mon May 11 22:40:57 1998 @@ -102,7 +102,7 @@ sysctl vfs .Ed .El -.Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.Sh ENVIRONMENT .Bl -tag -width BLOCKSIZE .It Ev BLOCKSIZE If the environment variable --- src/bin/ls/ls.1~ Wed Apr 29 17:37:49 1998 +++ src/bin/ls/ls.1 Mon May 11 22:41:42 1998 @@ -345,7 +345,7 @@ The .Nm ls utility exits 0 on success, and >0 if an error occurs. -.Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.Sh ENVIRONMENT The following environment variables affect the execution of .Nm ls : .Bl -tag -width BLOCKSIZE --- src/usr.bin/apply/apply.1~ Mon Apr 13 06:20:07 1998 +++ src/usr.bin/apply/apply.1 Mon May 11 22:42:42 1998 @@ -89,7 +89,7 @@ .Fl a option. .El -.Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.Sh ENVIRONMENT The following environment variable affects the execution of .Nm apply : .Bl -tag -width SHELL --- src/usr.bin/du/du.1~ Thu Jan 15 22:25:59 1998 +++ src/usr.bin/du/du.1 Mon May 11 22:43:32 1998 @@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ time per .Nm du execution. -.Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.Sh ENVIRONMENT .Bl -tag -width BLOCKSIZE .It Ev BLOCKSIZE If the environment variable --- src/usr.sbin/pppctl/pppctl.8~ Thu Jan 15 22:26:45 1998 +++ src/usr.sbin/pppctl/pppctl.8 Mon May 11 22:44:47 1998 @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ exec pppctl /var/run/internet "$@" .Ed .Pp -.Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.Sh ENVIRONMENT The following environment variables are understood by .Nm when in interactive mode: --- src/usr.sbin/quot/quot.8~ Mon Oct 13 23:49:36 1997 +++ src/usr.sbin/quot/quot.8 Mon May 11 22:45:41 1998 @@ -77,7 +77,7 @@ In addition to the default output, display the number of files not accessed within 30, 60 and 90 days. .El -.Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.Sh ENVIRONMENT .Bl -tag -width BLOCKSIZE .It Ev BLOCKSIZE If the environment variable --- src/contrib/awk/doc/awk.1~ Tue Oct 14 11:17:11 1997 +++ src/contrib/awk/doc/awk.1 Mon May 11 22:48:18 1998 @@ -2481,7 +2481,7 @@ will support this usage if .B \-\^\-traditional has been specified. -.SH ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.SH ENVIRONMENT If .B POSIXLY_CORRECT exists in the environment, then --- src/contrib/bc/doc/bc.1~ Wed Apr 29 14:52:59 1998 +++ src/contrib/bc/doc/bc.1 Mon May 11 22:49:30 1998 @@ -743,7 +743,7 @@ .IP "variable names" The current limit on the number of unique names is 32767 for each of simple variables, arrays and functions. -.SH ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES +.SH ENVIRONMENT The following environment variables are processed by \fBbc\fR: .IP "POSIXLY_CORRECT" This is the same as the \fB-s\fR option. --- src/contrib/cvs/man/cvs.1~ Fri Jan 30 21:41:38 1998 +++ src/contrib/cvs/man/cvs.1 Mon May 11 22:51:20 1998 @@ -2048,7 +2048,7 @@ .TP #cvs.wfl.\fIpid\fP A write lock. -.SH "ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES" +.SH "ENVIRONMENT" .TP .SM CVSROOT Should contain the full pathname to the root of the >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 02:05:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01221 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01202 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06457; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:58:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13461; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:58:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980512105835.B9982@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:58:35 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Steve Price , Wolfram Schneider Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6510 References: <19980511230632.62441@panke.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Price on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 05:44:17PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-05-11 17:44:17 -0500, Steve Price wrote: > Could you provide me with a more detailed view of the problem? If you send a PR you will receive an automatically created response with a short message, e.g.: >Thank you very much for your problem report. >It has the internal identification `docs/6508'. >The individual assigned to look at your >report is: freebsd-doc. The E-Mail address `freebsd-doc' should be expanded to freebsd-doc@freebsd.org. I miss also a link to the web interface, e.g.: You can watch the current state of this bug report at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi Feel free to ask the responsible person again if you don't get a response in less than 2 weeks. See also the FreeBSD support page at http://www.freebsd.org/support.html I also suggest that we change the internal gnats date timezone from PDT to UTC. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 02:15:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01945 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castor.salleURL.edu (castor.salleURL.edu [130.206.42.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01928 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:14:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tm05105@castor.salleURL.edu) Received: (from tm05105@localhost) by castor.salleURL.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA13584; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:15:27 +0100 (WETDST) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:15:27 +0100 (WETDST) Message-Id: <199805121015.LAA13584@castor.salleURL.edu> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7 X-Personal_name: Ulises From: tm05105@salleURL.edu Subject: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I was reading some information about FreeBSD, and I looked a telnet direction of a freeBSD, and a questions comes to me. Can I acced a FreeBSD server by telnet? And, can a FreeBSD server allow me make a telnet inside of it? And, the last, how can I get a FreeBSD account or access? Thanks for reading me :) El mutualista sin casco... ...Ebon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 02:22:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02633 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02609; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA26687; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:52:05 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980512185204.S20153@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:52:04 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: tm05105@salleURL.edu, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <199805121015.LAA13584@castor.salleURL.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805121015.LAA13584@castor.salleURL.edu>; from tm05105@salleURL.edu on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:15:27AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 May 1998 at 11:15:27 +0100, tm05105@salleURL.edu wrote: > Hello! > I was reading some information about FreeBSD, and I looked a telnet direction of a > freeBSD, and a questions comes to me. There is a mailing list for questions, called FreeBSD-questions. Please use it for this kind of question. FreeBSD-doc is for people actively documenting the FreeBSD system. > Can I acced a FreeBSD server by telnet? Yes. > And, can a FreeBSD server allow me make a telnet inside of it? Yes. > And, the last, how can I get a FreeBSD account or access? You install the operating system on your machine. It's unusual, but not unknown, for people to supply access to others. Check out http://www.FreeBSD.org for more details. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 07:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08796 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08780 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:19:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from GdashG@aol.com) Received: from GdashG@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id HGSLa21205 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:19:18 -0400 (EDT) From: G dash G Message-ID: <3c190b2e.35585a67@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:19:18 EDT To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Street Map Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am looking for CDRom's "Streets USA" for the Macintosh. I have a Quadra 800 with a system 7.1.0. I am primarily intersted in Southern California. Thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 08:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23038 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (sprice@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23024 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA03666; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:44:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:44:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Wolfram Schneider cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6510 In-Reply-To: <19980512105835.B9982@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great, thanks. I will amend the old PR later today and add it to my list of things to fix in GNATs. :) Steve On Tue, 12 May 1998, Wolfram Schneider wrote: # If you send a PR you will receive an automatically created response # with a short message, e.g.: # # >Thank you very much for your problem report. # >It has the internal identification `docs/6508'. # >The individual assigned to look at your # >report is: freebsd-doc. # # The E-Mail address `freebsd-doc' should be expanded to # freebsd-doc@freebsd.org. # # # I miss also a link to the web interface, e.g.: # # You can watch the current state of this bug report # at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi # Feel free to ask the responsible person again if you # don't get a response in less than 2 weeks. # See also the FreeBSD support page at # http://www.freebsd.org/support.html # # I also suggest that we change the internal gnats date timezone from # PDT to UTC. # # -- # Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 09:24:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00461 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hthp2.ca.sandia.gov (x33.ca.sandia.gov [146.246.187.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00451 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@hthp2.ca.sandia.gov) Received: (from root@localhost) by hthp2.ca.sandia.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03503; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 02:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805120923.CAA03503@hthp2.ca.sandia.gov> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7.2 From: jjtotte@ca.sandia.gov Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 10:30:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11086 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11074 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA11415; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:30:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:30:18 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: G dash G Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Street Map References: <3c190b2e.35585a67@aol.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 May 1998 19:30:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: G dash G's message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 10:19:18 EDT" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G dash G writes: > I am looking for CDRom's "Streets USA" for the Macintosh. I have a Quadra > 800 with a system 7.1.0. I am primarily intersted in Southern California. And what makes you think you'll find it here? -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 15:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13272 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wichita.fn.net (root@ns1.feist.com [198.247.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13177 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danosburn@feist.com) Received: from trailnote02 (fsict-tc15-20.feist.com [198.247.7.220]) by wichita.fn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22461 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:39:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3558D12A.6A55@feist.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:46:02 -0500 From: Razer Reply-To: danosburn@feist.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Windows 95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is it possible to install free-bsd and continue to run win95 also? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 16:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23910 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23887 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA29596; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:02:58 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980513090258.N20153@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:02:58 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: jjtotte@ca.sandia.gov, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <199805120923.CAA03503@hthp2.ca.sandia.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805120923.CAA03503@hthp2.ca.sandia.gov>; from jjtotte@ca.sandia.gov on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 02:23:13AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 May 1998 at 2:23:13 -0700, jjtotte@ca.sandia.gov wrote: > Is it just my imagination, or have there been several of these from different people? Is there something in a web page somewhere that confuses people? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 17:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00608 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:06:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00504 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02173; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:05:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980513100517.25585@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:05:17 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Greg Lehey Cc: jjtotte@ca.sandia.gov, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <199805120923.CAA03503@hthp2.ca.sandia.gov> <19980513090258.N20153@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980513090258.N20153@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 09:02:58AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 09:02:58AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 1998 at 2:23:13 -0700, jjtotte@ca.sandia.gov wrote: > > > > Is it just my imagination, or have there been several of these from > different people? Is there something in a web page somewhere that > confuses people? Let me guess. It could be a lynx thing. It's very easy to hit enter twice instead of once when following a link. So you don't end up on the page you wanted, but rather, you go off and follow that page's first link. As for handbook.html this could be happening in two ways: 1) Someone presses enter on the mailto: at the bottom, intending to write to the individual whose name is questions, and finds themselves writing to someone called doc. They've pressed enter twice accidentally, going through mailto.html and onto the first link on that page which (until my patches or similar are applied) sends mail to doc. The blank message indicates someone who actually noticed the discrepancy rather than writing on regardless. 2) Someone presses enter on a link which should take them to handbook.html, but presses enter twice. The first link on that page is a mailto: so they end up in the message editor and retreat, leaving a blank message. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 17:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01858 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01680; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) From: Tim Vanderhoek Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA28433; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805130009.RAA28433@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sue@welearn.com.au, hoek@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6597 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Proposed changes for mailto.html State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Tue May 12 17:01:30 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Patch (slightly modified) applied to Rev 1.8 of mailto.sgml. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 17:18:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03096 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1 (smtp.snet.net [204.60.3.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02973 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gregkey@snet.net) Received: from daisy.snet.net (mail.snet.net [204.60.7.83]) by smtp1 (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNET-bmx-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA04274 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snet.net (brpt01-sh2-port72.snet.net [204.60.23.72]) by daisy.snet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNET-pop-1.1) with ESMTP id UAA24149 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3558E64A.E3CEB840@snet.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:16:10 -0400 From: Gregory Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi can some one tell me where i can get some help... i setup up the program in my computer and it ask me to log and and a pass word i try to give it a pass word but it won't do nothing i really don't understand how do i get pass that point .....so i can run the system thank you Gregory ps. i using FreeBSD 2.2.6 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 18:12:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12521 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:12:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12491 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA00518; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:41:44 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980513104143.X20153@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:41:43 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Gregory Wilson , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help References: <3558E64A.E3CEB840@snet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3558E64A.E3CEB840@snet.net>; from Gregory Wilson on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 08:16:10PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 May 1998 at 20:16:10 -0400, Gregory Wilson wrote: > hi can some one tell me where i can get some help... i setup up the > program in my computer and it ask me to log and and a pass word i try to > give it a pass word but it won't do nothing i really don't understand > how do i get pass that point .....so i can run the system > thank you > Gregory > ps. i using FreeBSD 2.2.6 Try FreeBSD-questions. -doc is for people who actively document the system. You might like to check out http://www.lemis.com/questions.html first. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 12 18:39:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16550 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16532; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02647; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:39:11 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980513113905.25557@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:39:05 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Gregory Wilson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help References: <3558E64A.E3CEB840@snet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3558E64A.E3CEB840@snet.net>; from Gregory Wilson on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 08:16:10PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 08:16:10PM -0400, Gregory Wilson wrote: > hi can some one tell me where i can get some help... i setup up the > program in my computer and it ask me to log and and a pass word i try to > give it a pass word but it won't do nothing i really don't understand > how do i get pass that point .....so i can run the system > thank you > Gregory > ps. i using FreeBSD 2.2.6 There is a tutorial on the FreeBSD web site that is perfect for you: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html Then have a good look around the web site for other documentation, particularly the Handbook, FAQ, and links to basic unix tutorials and manuals that are on other web sites. Soon there will be another web page especially for "newbies" with information about resources that are good for beginners. At the moment the information is scattered around a bit, but you'll find lots of interesting stuff if you look around the web site. When you want help to find manuals and tutorials that you need to study, write to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org and ask us to suggest what we've found useful. Many of us have a book called The Complete FreeBSD which keeps us out of trouble. http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/bsdbook2.htm When you have already read the relevant documentation and something still doesn't work, the people at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org can help you. Have fun! -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 01:01:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05339 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05083 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA18140; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:51:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sue Blake cc: Greg Lehey , jjtotte@ca.sandia.gov, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html In-Reply-To: <19980513100517.25585@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Let me guess. It could be a lynx thing. It's very easy to hit enter twice > instead of once when following a link. So you don't end up on the page Not likely. It's easy to abort a message using Lynx by pressing Ctrl-G (as stated on the screen when you start the message). There's also a last-minute chance to abort when it asks something along the lines of "Send this message (y/n)?". -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 01:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05699 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:02:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05563; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@FreeBSD.org) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA02573; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805130758.AAA02573@freefall.freebsd.org> To: josh@quick.net, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6599 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: .Sh ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES -> .Sh ENVIRONMENT State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: phk State-Changed-When: Wed May 13 00:58:05 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 01:05:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06496 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06439; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@FreeBSD.org) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA02694; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805130801.BAA02694@freefall.freebsd.org> To: amakawa@hoh.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6593 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: wrong description in mount_umap(8) State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: phk State-Changed-When: Wed May 13 01:01:11 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 01:06:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06883 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06835; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@FreeBSD.org) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA02792; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805130803.BAA02792@freefall.freebsd.org> To: amakawa@hoh.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6586 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: bug in /usr/src/sbin/mount_umap.8 State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: phk State-Changed-When: Wed May 13 01:02:59 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 01:23:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10380 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:23:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10371 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04062; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:23:31 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980513182328.57620@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:23:28 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513100517.25585@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 03:51:43AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 03:51:43AM -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > Let me guess. It could be a lynx thing. It's very easy to hit enter twice > > instead of once when following a link. So you don't end up on the page > > Not likely. It's easy to abort a message using Lynx by pressing > Ctrl-G (as stated on the screen when you start the message). Sending email with lynx is confusing the first time, more so when it takes you by surprise. I think most people either don't read that preamble or don't remember it, and who'd think of Ctrl-G. The only other place I've encountered Ctrl-G is to beep the PC speaker in a DOS batch file, when there's an editor that'll let you use that character. > There's also a last-minute chance to abort when it asks something > along the lines of "Send this message (y/n)?". Ah yes, I will go along with that one :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 01:40:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12819 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp1728.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12812 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA00328; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:38:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 04:38:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Sue Blake cc: Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html In-Reply-To: <19980513182328.57620@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Sending email with lynx is confusing the first time, more so when it > takes you by surprise. I think most people either don't read that > preamble or don't remember it, and who'd think of Ctrl-G. The only other > place I've encountered Ctrl-G is to beep the PC speaker in a DOS > batch file, when there's an editor that'll let you use that character. Actually, it's the beep character for cons25, too... IOW, it'll beep the PC speaker in a FreeBSD sh file. :) Although, of course, the correct way to beep from an sh file is to use `tput bl`. Ctrl-G is also the mildly-context-sensitive help character in Pine, although I don't see it listed anywhere... Hmm... > > There's also a last-minute chance to abort when it asks something > > along the lines of "Send this message (y/n)?". > > Ah yes, I will go along with that one :-) Although, to be fair, I've filled-in the occasional empty message with Lynx, and, once getting that far, it is unbelievably tempting to hit "y" for no good reason at all. The message you wrote disappears from the screen, and I think that does something odd to a person's psyche. ;) -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 02:52:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24165 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24147 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04300; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:52:36 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980513195232.16585@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:52:32 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: ac199@hwcn.org Cc: Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513182328.57620@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:38:15AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:38:15AM -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > Sending email with lynx is confusing the first time, more so when it > > takes you by surprise. I think most people either don't read that > > preamble or don't remember it, and who'd think of Ctrl-G. The only other > > place I've encountered Ctrl-G is to beep the PC speaker in a DOS > > batch file, when there's an editor that'll let you use that character. > > Actually, it's the beep character for cons25, too... IOW, it'll > beep the PC speaker in a FreeBSD sh file. :) > > Although, of course, the correct way to beep from an sh file is > to use `tput bl`. Jeez, no matter what the subject, someone comes up with a command I've never heard of :-) OK, it works great but how come the man page doesn't mention it? > Ctrl-G is also the mildly-context-sensitive help character in > Pine, although I don't see it listed anywhere... Hmm... I used pine for years and didn't know that! > > > There's also a last-minute chance to abort when it asks something > > > along the lines of "Send this message (y/n)?". > > > > Ah yes, I will go along with that one :-) > > Although, to be fair, I've filled-in the occasional empty message > with Lynx, and, once getting that far, it is unbelievably > tempting to hit "y" for no good reason at all. The message you > wrote disappears from the screen, and I think that does something > odd to a person's psyche. ;) Actually, that's the only sensible explanation for why someone would confirm a blank message :-) I must have done that too some time but I don't want to remember whether I did or not. Making something look obviously wrong isn't always the most effective way to stop it happening. People tend to take the most familiar action, then the one most like the previous, then the one that looks easiest, then get upset and start making decisions as a last resort. Software tends to expect that these priorities are reversed. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 03:33:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29855 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29846 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id DAA03978; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newport-1-12.quick.net (josh@newport-1-12.quick.net [207.212.160.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28706 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@newport-1-12.quick.net) Received: (from josh@localhost) by newport-1-12.quick.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04062; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh) Message-Id: <199805131025.DAA04062@newport-1-12.quick.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: josh@quick.net Reply-To: josh@quick.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6617: kill(1): .Xr sigvec 2 -> .Xr sigaction 2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6617 >Category: docs >Synopsis: kill(1): .Xr sigvec 2 -> .Xr sigaction 2 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 13 03:30:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Josh Gilliam >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 >Environment: src/bin/kill/kill.1 1.7 src/lib/libc/sys/sigaction.2 1.16 >Description: kill(1): .Xr sigvec 2 -> .Xr sigaction 2 sigaction(2): remove .Xr to itself >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- src/bin/kill/kill.1~ Wed May 13 02:43:15 1998 +++ src/bin/kill/kill.1 Wed May 13 03:08:08 1998 @@ -125,7 +125,7 @@ .Xr killall 1 , .Xr ps 1 , .Xr kill 2 , -.Xr sigvec 2 +.Xr sigaction 2 .Sh STANDARDS The .Nm --- src/lib/libc/sys/sigaction.2~ Tue Feb 24 22:44:58 1998 +++ src/lib/libc/sys/sigaction.2 Wed May 13 03:04:19 1998 @@ -394,7 +394,6 @@ .Xr kill 1 , .Xr kill 2 , .Xr ptrace 2 , -.Xr sigaction 2 , .Xr sigaltstack 2 , .Xr sigblock 2 , .Xr sigpause 2 , >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 04:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05083 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc8.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05045 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tg@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.90.6]) by ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08908; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from tg@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA00790; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:02:26 +0200 (CEST) To: Sue Blake Cc: ac199@hwcn.org, Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513182328.57620@welearn.com.au> <19980513195232.16585@welearn.com.au> From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 13 May 1998 13:02:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sue Blake's message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 19:52:32 +1000" Message-ID: <8767jacu2m.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake writes: > > Although, of course, the correct way to beep from an sh file is > > to use `tput bl`. > > Jeez, no matter what the subject, someone comes up with a command I've > never heard of :-) OK, it works great but how come the man page doesn't > mention it? You're reading the wrong man page. From termcap(5): String TCap Description Variables Code back_tab bt back tab (P) bell bl audible signal (bell) (P) tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 06:33:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29206 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29183 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id PAA11780; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:34:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980513153412.16664@cons.org> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:34:13 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Thomas Gellekum , Sue Blake Cc: ac199@hwcn.org, Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513182328.57620@welearn.com.au> <19980513195232.16585@welearn.com.au> <8767jacu2m.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <8767jacu2m.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de>; from Thomas Gellekum on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 01:02:25PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <8767jacu2m.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de>, Thomas Gellekum wrote: > Sue Blake writes: > > > > Although, of course, the correct way to beep from an sh file is > > > to use `tput bl`. > > > > Jeez, no matter what the subject, someone comes up with a command I've > > never heard of :-) OK, it works great but how come the man page doesn't > > mention it? > > You're reading the wrong man page. From termcap(5): > > String TCap Description > Variables Code > back_tab bt back tab (P) > bell bl audible signal (bell) (P) Or using the wrong OS. NetBSD doesn't have it, so I would recoomend against this command for portable shell scripts. {bash|ksh} -c "echo -e '\a'" Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 06:57:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03870 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03846; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Message-Id: <199805131357.GAA03846@hub.freebsd.org> To: wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, steve, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, steve Subject: Re: docs/6510 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Old Synopsis: sgmlfmt does not expand relative URLs New Synopsis: GNATS doesn't expand freebsd-doc State-Changed-From-To: closed-open State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Wed May 13 06:45:27 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: A problem does indeed exist. 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REPLY TO trintiy@my-office.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 13:43:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13123 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13118 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25627; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sue Blake cc: Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html In-Reply-To: <19980513195232.16585@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > Although, of course, the correct way to beep from an sh file is > > to use `tput bl`. > > Jeez, no matter what the subject, someone comes up with a command I've > never heard of :-) OK, it works great but how come the man page doesn't > mention it? You didn't check the "SEE ALSO" section to find-out what tput(1) means by "attribute". :) (I think tg already pointed this out, but you want man 5 termcap). > Making something look obviously wrong isn't always the most effective way > to stop it happening. People tend to take the most familiar action, then > the one most like the previous, then the one that looks easiest, then get > upset and start making decisions as a last resort. Software tends to > expect that these priorities are reversed. Yow. I think that summarizes everything from computer usability problems to their incredible inability to transfer skills learned in one area to another. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 14:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21234 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp1545.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21213 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00347; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:27:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Martin Cracauer cc: Thomas Gellekum , Sue Blake , ac199@hwcn.org, Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html In-Reply-To: <19980513153412.16664@cons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 May 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: [Re: ``tput bl'' > Or using the wrong OS. NetBSD doesn't have it, so I would recoomend > against this command for portable shell scripts. > > {bash|ksh} -c "echo -e '\a'" Are you sure? I see a /src/usr.bin/tput in their source tree... tput(1) says it appeared in 4.4BSD. -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 14:52:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25236 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25224 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA06853; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:52:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980514075238.04044@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:52:38 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513195232.16585@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:37:37PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:37:37PM -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > > Although, of course, the correct way to beep from an sh file is > > > to use `tput bl`. > > > > Jeez, no matter what the subject, someone comes up with a command I've > > never heard of :-) OK, it works great but how come the man page doesn't > > mention it? > > You didn't check the "SEE ALSO" section to find-out what tput(1) > means by "attribute". :) Of course not! :-) There was absolutely nothing there to indicate that more information on the meaning of "attribute" was available, or needed. >From past experience, "SEE ALSO" is there to list a lot of stuff that is even harder to understand than the current man page, and when it does contain information needed for the current task, that information does not leap out from the mass of techo-speak in the several long documents in "SEE ALSO". The chances of finding, identifying, and working out how to use any necessary additional info are very small, and the cost (frustration) is high enough to convince a good learner that this is not an efficient way to learn. After looking at termcap(5) I would have had no idea that it was useful to me if someone hadn't already pointed that out. Now I guess that anything referred to as an attribute in termcap(5) could be used with tput, but I don't hold that belief with strong conviction and would never have gotten to this point without being told. There must be a set of attitudes and behaviours that can improve just about anyone's use of man pages. I'm starting to think that the act of using man pages with neither guidance nor success can lead people away from these ideal attitudes and behaviours, rather than to them. Possible solutions would be alternative man pages for newbies that encourage their correct use and transferrability of skills, or a carefully planned tutorial in the use of man pages the way they are, or both. I see this as a training design problem more than a straight documentation problem. One day I'll work out what to do about it :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 15:17:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29879 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp6491.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29840 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00821; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:15:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Sue Blake cc: Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html In-Reply-To: <19980514075238.04044@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > From past experience, "SEE ALSO" is there to list a lot of > stuff that is even harder to understand than the current man Well, now you have new experience. ;) > There must be a set of attitudes and behaviours that can improve just > about anyone's use of man pages. I'm starting to think that the act of Yes; persistence and a willingness to experiment. :) A lot of the people here haven't had any formal computer training, and a lot of what they've learned has been from manpages. Persistence and wide reading does pay off. Trust me. :) > solutions would be alternative man pages for newbies that encourage their > correct use and transferrability of skills, or a carefully planned I'm not sure that's a solution. Manpages don't suddenly become easier to read once you've learned some minimum set of knowledge. Manpages are really meant as reference material and are usually ill-suited for use as anything else. The tutorial idea is good, though. Something at a higher level than just "this is how to write a shell script". Find a qualified volunteer to write it, now. [Don't even ask!] -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 15:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07383 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zaphod.wh9.tu-dresden.de (heinrich@zaphod.wh9.tu-dresden.de [141.76.120.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07375 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heinrich@zaphod.wh9.tu-dresden.de) Received: (from heinrich@localhost) by zaphod.wh9.tu-dresden.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18480 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:52:29 +0200 From: Heinrich Langos Message-Id: <199805132252.AAA18480@zaphod.wh9.tu-dresden.de> Subject: handbook "27.1. Mailing lists" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:52:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi a hint to the search engine of the mailinglist archive in the handbook "27.1. Mailing lists" would be great. i didn't think to look at the search button on the main web page till somebody pointed me there because i thought it would only be a web site search. -heinrich -- Heinrich Langos pgp: "finger -l hl6@irz.inf.tu-dresden.de" ______________________________________________________________________ |o| The reason we come up with new versions is not to fix bugs. |o| |o| It's absolutely not. It's the stupidest reason to buy a new |o| |o| version I ever heard. -- Bill Gates, CEO, Microsoft Corporation |o| |o| BOYCOTT MICROSOFT: |o| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 13 16:03:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09153 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt053nd2.san.rr.com [204.210.34.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09140 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19927; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:02:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <355A2690.92BFF443@dal.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:02:40 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0507 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513195232.16585@welearn.com.au> <19980514075238.04044@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:37:37PM -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > You didn't check the "SEE ALSO" section to find-out what tput(1) > > means by "attribute". :) > > Of course not! :-) There was absolutely nothing there to indicate that > more information on the meaning of "attribute" was available, or needed. Just about everything on the first screenful of the tput man page indicates that it's related to the termcap database. Some examples: NAME tput - terminal capability interface -T The terminal name as specified in the termcap database, If the attribute is of type string, and takes arguments (e.g. cursor movement, the termcap ``cm'' sequence) Also the fact that the word "attribute" is underlined indicates that it's cross referenced somewhere else. > >From past experience, "SEE ALSO" is there to list a lot of stuff that is > even harder to understand than the current man page, and when it does > contain information needed for the current task, that information does > not leap out from the mass of techo-speak in the several long documents > in "SEE ALSO". Obviously you are speaking of your experience with the "see also" refs. In fact what usually happens is that someone writing a man page for one function references a related man page whose author has no idea that his page is being referenced in that way. In this case the underlining of attribute is a hint. Checking 'man 5 termcap' and searching for the word attribute will help it "leap out" at you. > The chances of finding, identifying, and working out how > to use any necessary additional info are very small, and the cost > (frustration) is high enough to convince a good learner that this is not > an efficient way to learn. You are making an unecessary value judgement with your use of the term "good" in this context. The problem in this context (as we've discussed before) is that there are different ways to learn and grasp concepts. The problem with a lot of unix documentation (and especially man pages) is that it's written by people who are extremely left-brain oriented and therefore have a difficult time presenting information in a way that helps non-techie's grasp the concepts. > After looking at termcap(5) I would have had no idea that it was useful > to me if someone hadn't already pointed that out. Now I guess that > anything referred to as an attribute in termcap(5) could be used with > tput, but I don't hold that belief with strong conviction and would never > have gotten to this point without being told. Your ability to intuit these connections improves over time as you gain more experience putting the various pieces of the system together in a way that suits your purposes. > There must be a set of attitudes and behaviours that can improve just > about anyone's use of man pages. 'man man' helps. So does writing a few manual pages of your own. :) > I'm starting to think that the act of > using man pages with neither guidance nor success can lead people away > from these ideal attitudes and behaviours, rather than to them. Success reinforces learning, failure reinforces avoidance. This is true in any endeavor. > Possible > solutions would be alternative man pages for newbies that encourage their > correct use and transferrability of skills, Completely impossible and totally undesirable for a large variety of reasons. It is much better to improve the ones we have so that the information is more accessible to a wider variety of learning styles. > or a carefully planned > tutorial in the use of man pages the way they are, or both. A tutorial would have a great deal of value in this area. I've got some very rough notes for one myself, but realistically it's at least a month before I could even consider this myself. Hopefully someone else could get to it faster. :) > I see this as > a training design problem more than a straight documentation problem. One > day I'll work out what to do about it :-) That's another problem with this perspective. Manual pages are not designed for training. They are designed to document features in a quick reference manner. Many groups (including and especially GNU) are abandoning man pages altogether or supplementing them with 'info' or other types of detailed documentation. The answer to this problem is very similar to the answer to the other problems we have of this type. We need to improve the documentation we have and work hard on making it more accessible to a wider audience. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 14 03:02:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23395 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23387 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA11693; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:02:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980514120243.11036@cons.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:02:43 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: ac199@hwcn.org, Martin Cracauer Cc: Thomas Gellekum , Sue Blake , Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513153412.16664@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 05:27:58PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In , Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > [Re: ``tput bl'' > > Or using the wrong OS. NetBSD doesn't have it, so I would recoomend > > against this command for portable shell scripts. > > > > {bash|ksh} -c "echo -e '\a'" > > Are you sure? I see a /src/usr.bin/tput in their source tree... > tput(1) says it appeared in 4.4BSD. NetBSD has tput, I meant it does not have the capname "bl". Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (batched, preferred for large mails) Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 14 06:01:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23330 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ds1.gl.umbc.edu (ds1-fe2.gl.umbc.edu [130.85.60.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23324 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from breds12@aol.com) From: breds12@aol.com Received: from student.umbc.edu ([130.85.157.77]) by ds1.gl.umbc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA02789; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bridging the Gap: Practical Aspects of Object-Oriented Technology Forum Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN charset=US-ASCII To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bridging the Gap: Practical Aspects of Object-Oriented Technology Forum October 30, 1998, UMBC Campus BALTIMORE, MD — As part of Greater Baltimore Committe's tech month, the forum "Bridging the Gap: Practical Aspects of Object-Oriented Technology," will be presented on Friday, October 30, 1998, from 9:00 a.m.–4:30 p.m. on the UMBC campus. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 14 06:23:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27471 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27464 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA12507; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newport-1-12.quick.net (josh@newport-1-12.quick.net [207.212.160.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26557 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@newport-1-12.quick.net) Received: (from josh@localhost) by newport-1-12.quick.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20598; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh) Message-Id: <199805141317.GAA20598@newport-1-12.quick.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: josh@quick.net Reply-To: josh@quick.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6634: chmod(1): reword absolute mode Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6634 >Category: docs >Synopsis: chmod(1): reword absolute mode >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 14 06:20:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Josh Gilliam >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 >Environment: src/bin/chmod/chmod.1 1.9 >Description: reword absolute mode >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- src/bin/chmod/chmod.1~ Sat May 9 01:45:39 1998 +++ src/bin/chmod/chmod.1 Thu May 14 05:53:48 1998 @@ -103,9 +103,8 @@ utility exits 0 on success, and >0 if an error occurs. .Sh MODES Modes may be absolute or symbolic. -An absolute mode is an octal number constructed by -.Ar or-ing -the following values: +An absolute mode is an octal number constructed from the sum of +one or more of the following values: .Pp .Bl -tag -width 6n -compact -offset indent .It Li 4000 @@ -123,15 +122,24 @@ .It Li 0200 write by owner .It Li 0100 -execute (or search for directories) by owner -.It Li 0070 -read, write, execute/search by group -.It Li 0007 -read, write, execute/search by others +execute (or search in directory) by owner +.It Li 0040 +read by group +.It Li 0020 +write by group +.It Li 0010 +execute (search) by group +.It Li 0004 +read by others +.It Li 0002 +write by others +.It Li 0001 +execute (search) by others .El .Pp -The read, write, and execute/search values for group and others -are encoded as described for owner. +For example, the absolute mode that permits read, write, and +execute by owner, read and execute by group, and read and +execute by others is 755 (400+200+100+40+10+4+1). .Pp The symbolic mode is described by the following grammar: .Bd -literal -offset indent >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 14 08:02:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14349 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:02:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pablo.total.net (pablo.total.net [205.236.175.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14202 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:02:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rh@pga.qc.ca) From: rh@pga.qc.ca Received: from pga.qc.ca (ppp-5200-1102.mtl.total.net [205.205.161.16]) by pablo.total.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00229 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <355B06EC.73057AD0@pga.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:59:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PGA vous écrits! 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bonjour à tous! Je suis activement à la recherche de personnels en informatique. J'ai besoin entre autre d'un technicien Unix, programmeur en Visual Basic, C++, Delphi, Analyste Infrastrructure en Lotus Notes, Oracle Forms 3, analyste en sécurité, système de guichet automatique, carte de crédit etc.. La majorité de ces postes se situent dans le milieu bancaire. Si vous êtes interessé à rencontrer de nouveaux défis, ou que vous connaissez des ressources interessantes, vous pouvez me contacter par téléphone au 523-1975 ou par E-mail: rh@pga.qc.ca Merci beaucoup! 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Jones 537 Monroe Street Twin Falls, ID 83301 (208) 734-4807 e-mail address: carnation3@juno.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 14 14:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13282 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:13:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp6572.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13271 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01155; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:09:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Martin Cracauer cc: ac199@hwcn.org, Thomas Gellekum , Sue Blake , Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html In-Reply-To: <19980514120243.11036@cons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 May 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > NetBSD has tput, I meant it does not have the capname "bl". Well, if you're concerned about portability across terminals instead of portability across OSs, use bl. Not that I know too many terminals that use something other than ^G for . -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 14 14:18:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13969 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp6572.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13949 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01165; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:15:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:15:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Studded cc: Sue Blake , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html In-Reply-To: <355A2690.92BFF443@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 May 1998, Studded wrote: > "good" in this context. The problem in this context (as we've discussed > before) is that there are different ways to learn and grasp concepts. > The problem with a lot of unix documentation (and especially man pages) > is that it's written by people who are extremely left-brain oriented and > therefore have a difficult time presenting information in a way that > helps non-techie's grasp the concepts. How does this manifest itself such that manpages are easy to learn from for left-brain-orientated people and difficult for others? > They are designed to document features in a quick > reference manner. It seems to me the whole problems is summed above. Actually, that's not really the problem. I want my manpages to act as a reference manual. Let a tutorial or "info" file do the teaching. -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 14 19:29:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11419 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:29:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11409 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA00717; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:07 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980515115907.J305@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:07 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: rh@pga.qc.ca, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?PGA_vous_=E9crits!?= References: <355B06EC.73057AD0@pga.qc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <355B06EC.73057AD0@pga.qc.ca>; from rh@pga.qc.ca on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 10:59:57AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 May 1998 at 10:59:57 -0400, rh@pga.qc.ca wrote: > Bonjour à tous! Bonjour > Je suis activement à la recherche de personnels en informatique. J'ai > besoin entre autre d'un technicien Unix, programmeur en Visual Basic, > C++, Delphi, Analyste Infrastrructure en Lotus Notes, Oracle Forms 3, > analyste en sécurité, système de guichet automatique, carte de crédit > etc.. > > La majorité de ces postes se situent dans le milieu bancaire. Si vous > êtes interessé à rencontrer de nouveaux défis, ou que vous connaissez > des ressources interessantes, vous pouvez me contacter par téléphone au > 523-1975 ou par E-mail: rh@pga.qc.ca Je ne comprends pas, pourquoi vous envoyez ce courrier à cette liste, qui s'occupe de la documentation anglophone de FreeBSD. Veuillez vous adresser plutôt en anglais à FreeBSD-jobs@FreeBSD.org. Pourtant je ne suis pas sûr, si vous y trouverez des collaborateurs avec les competence recherchés. Salutations distinguées Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 15 00:28:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27766 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:28:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27760 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm01-16.aei.ca [206.123.6.116]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13959; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <355BEE47.2FDD7D3A@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:27:03 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: rh@pga.qc.ca, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PGA vous écrits! References: <355B06EC.73057AD0@pga.qc.ca> <19980515115907.J305@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 1998 at 10:59:57 -0400, rh@pga.qc.ca wrote: > > Bonjour à tous! > > Bonjour > > > Je suis activement à la recherche de personnels en informatique. J'ai > > besoin entre autre d'un technicien Unix, programmeur en Visual Basic, > > C++, Delphi, Analyste Infrastrructure en Lotus Notes, Oracle Forms 3, > > analyste en sécurité, système de guichet automatique, carte de crédit > > etc.. > > > > La majorité de ces postes se situent dans le milieu bancaire. Si vous > > êtes interessé à rencontrer de nouveaux défis, ou que vous connaissez > > des ressources interessantes, vous pouvez me contacter par téléphone au > > 523-1975 ou par E-mail: rh@pga.qc.ca > > Je ne comprends pas, pourquoi vous envoyez ce courrier à cette liste, > qui s'occupe de la documentation anglophone de FreeBSD. Veuillez vous > adresser plutôt en anglais à FreeBSD-jobs@FreeBSD.org. Pourtant je ne > suis pas sûr, si vous y trouverez des collaborateurs avec les > competence recherchés. > > Salutations distinguées > Greg Hehehe, Mr Lehey know a lot of thing: Latin, french hehe Well Lehey: explain me how you have done your "é" under freebsd! Do you know if I can put my Keyboard "French canadian" FreeBSD have some security reputation here in Quebec as I can read ;-) Translation: >I search Unix hackers who know a lot of thing, specially Unix :-). There is also job for >C++, Delphi, Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Oracle Forms 3, credit card, etc... Some of those >jobs are in the bank world. If you are interested, or if you know good ressource, contact >me 1-514-523-1975 or by E-mail: rh@pga.qc.ca Malartre -- -------------------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD 4 Newbies project Windows_95-B Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 15 00:55:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02256 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02251 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05466; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:54:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980515175454.43492@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:54:54 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Malartre Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD web pages [was: Linux as a Mozilla total reference platform] References: <199805100839.CAA16237@lariat.lariat.org> <199805101059.DAA01506@rah.star-gate.com> <6824-Mon11May1998210214-0400-kriston@ibm.net> <355BC841.69391239@aei.ca> <19980515153345.20830@welearn.com.au> <355BE067.8B3A010F@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <355BE067.8B3A010F@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 02:27:51AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (moved to -doc from -advocacy) On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 02:27:51AM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 12:44:49AM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > FreeBSD.ORG need a change. It need to have a more conveniant > > > interface and a WIDTH=600 is the standard. Even Linux.org and > > > microsoft.com use it. > > > > > > Sorry for repeating Sue ;-) WIDTH WIDTH WIDTH! > > > > I still don't understand at all. Where's the problem? > > Even at 640 x 480 it looked fine to me. > > > > Are you saying it is too wide or too narrow? Where?? Which page? > > > > What is inconvenient for you? > > naaa, its because than when you see it with a big screen or with a > little, nothing is the same. So the table move like the browser want > and its not standarized so each computer dont see the same thing. HTML is not about layout. HTML only describes the document structure (this is a heading, this is a paragraph, this text should be stronger). See http://www.awpa.asn.au/html/html.html to find out what HTML is, and what it is not. > Also, on a big screen, big resolution, its not usefull and its ugly. It looks fine on my big screen. Make your window smaller if you want it narrower. It's your choice. I like to use a big screen with high resolution and tell my browser what size I want the fonts to be. When the browser is only on one side of the screen it is long and narrow and I might change to smaller fonts, or I might not. If I'm not wearing glasses I set a bigger font so that I can read it. To read quickly I turn graphics off; to look like TV I turn them on. I can tell the browser what colour to make the background so that it's easy to read without junk behind the words. I have a browser that will list all of the document's links in a panel on the left and another that displays all text the same size. These things are *my* choice because only I know what I need. > Like in the doc, sometime there is 30 word+ for each sentence, hard to read. Its > really a simple standarized thing. Yes, long sentences are difficult to read, especially if it's not in your first language. We should all be careful of this, particularly me! :-) > I have friends who design web page and who are currently changing all > there big data to 600(or a little bit more) because than the document > will be seen in the same way for each people. It will be impossible for me to see their pages on my computer which is set to 640x480. That computer needs to be rebooted to change resolution, so I have no choice. I suggest you study HTML a little bit more, then teach your friends :-) They can use cascading style sheets if they want to control the way it looks, but the HTML underneath remains just HTML. > Anyway, another thing should be the way we browse it. I personally love > when I have a left menu who tel me all thing I want to see the first > time. Not searching. Anyway, its only proposition. But you, you use > Lynx. Its cool to but you dont care about the design ;-) I care a lot about the design! There are good reasons why I must care. True, most of the time I use lynx, but I also use Netscape, that microsoft thing, Mosaic, Cello, and several others you've never heard of. I browse web pages using a FreeBSD 386 and pentium with and without X, NT4, NT3.50 on an alpha, win3.1 in 16 yucky colours, win95, OS/2 Warp 3 and 4, various Macintoshes, DOS on a 286 with and without graphics, and a screen reader with speech synthesiser. I have had no serious problems with the FreeBSD web pages, but I certainly would if attempts were made to demand a certain width of my monitor. If you want to force something about my equipment you have to buy that equipment for me. Go ahead :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 15 01:49:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09951 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09945 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:49:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24006; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:49:09 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA06544; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:48:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980515094848.64129@iii.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:48:48 +0100 To: Sue Blake Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbies resources page References: <19980505162032.31666@welearn.com.au> <19980514133926.32628@iii.co.uk> <19980514230445.50671@welearn.com.au> <19980514183700.65505@iii.co.uk> <19980515063350.38176@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980515063350.38176@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 06:33:50AM +1000 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ I'm going to cc: this to -doc, since it's probably useful for others as well ] On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 06:33:50AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > OK, well here's where I'd got to already, without actually knowing SGML. > With much determination I found a bunch of likely-looking files at > ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/www/data/ and grabbed a > few examples plus anything I didn't recognise as a web page. > > It looks like the first ten and last four lines are the same in each > file. OK. Conceptually, this is how it works. Each page is an amalgamation of data from at least two sources. The first source is the page itself, such as 'newbies.sgml'. The second source is from 'includes.sgml'. includes.sgml defines a number of SGML entities. You're probably already familiar with these if you've done any HTML authoring at all. Things like · (the 'middle dot') or   (non-breaking space) are examples of simple entities that 'expand' into one or two characters. But entities can be used to represent more than just one or two characters. They can represent whole swathes of text, or even the contents of a completely different file. Looking at newbies.sgml from the top down: ', but instead continues with a '['. This is the SGML way of saying that this declaration continues over multiple lines, and will be terminated by a ']>' somewhere else. This defines an entity called 'date' which can be used in your document by putting in the text '&date;'. The value of this entity (at this point) is the string "$Date$". "$Date$" is an example of an RCS tag. As you know, the FreeBSD web site (and source code, and documentation) is held in a source control system called CVS. CVS in turn uses a set of programs that go under the general name 'RCS' to do a lot of the grunt work. One of RCS' more useful features is the ability to replace certain strings in the document with specific values when the file is 'checked in' or 'checked out' of the control system. co(1) shows what these are. A look at that shows that $Date$ will be expanded into the date and time the file was checked in. This will be used a little later. defines another entity, 'title', and gives it a value. In this case, a simple string. %includes; defines yet another entity, *and* uses it. The first bit (up until the '>' character) defines a 'parameter entity'; This is different from the entities we've seen so far, in that it's been prefixed by a '%' sign. The other entities are called 'general entities' and are (when used) prefixed by an '&' sign. The difference between them is as follows: you can use general entities anywhere in your document *except* the DOCTYPE header. You can only use parameter entities in the DOCTYPE header. The use of 'SYSTEM "includes.sgml"' says that the text of this entity is the entire text of the file 'includes.sgml'. '%includes;' then means "include the contents of the entity %includes at this point in the document. The overall effect when an SGML processor handles this is that the entire contents of includes.sgml are included right here. ]> ends the document type declaration. is another RCS tag. This will expand to the ID of this file (it's name, when it was last edited, who by and so on) and be placed in an SGML comment when the file is checked in. &header; This is the standard beginning of an HTML document. We then include the &header; entity. At this point you're probably thinking "Hang on, we haven't defined the &header; entity anywhere in this document." That's quite correct. But it *is* defined in 'includes.sgml'. Jumping out of newbies.sgml for a second and looking at includes.sgml, you'll see this in there: &title;Navigation Bar

&title;


... '> (I've wrapped it, and removed some of the middle for brevity). As you can see, this defines a multiline entity called 'header'. What's particularly interesting is that this uses some other entities as well. You can see the use of &base; and &title;. Remember that *we* defined the meaning of &title; earlier on in the header. So the two source documents (includes.sgml and newbies.sgml) each provide different bits of the document. > The bit in the middle is just straight HTML, sometimes in upper but > more often in lower case, sometimes prefixing URLs with &base and > sometimes not, and possibly using other cheats found in includes.sgml. > There's a couple of lines with dollar signs in them which I'm not real > sure about, but apparently I don't have to touch them. That's pretty much it. The use of upper or lower case tags is pretty much personal preference. I prefer lower case (and my editor is configured to automatically use lower case) so that's what I use. The process of converting the documents to complete SGML renders all the tags into uppercase. And the end of 'newbies.sgml' the '&footer;' reference pulls in the footer entity, which looks like &author;
&date;'> which uses the &date; entity defined right at the start of the document. > So what I figured was that I could use one of those files as a template, > initially remove the stuff between dollar signs because it'd be wrong, > put the level 1 heading in as the title in the third line and fill in my > own text in the body. That's pretty much it. > > I've attached a copy of the SGML source that generates the HTML, so you > > can see the changes I made. > > Now, looking at your attached file here I see some other differences. > You've gone back to lower case, marked the list items as paragraphs, and > pushed the indenting around a bit. Why? Anything else I've missed there? Lower case I explained above. I did change the list items. You had
  • text text text

    • which is probably valid HTML, but isn't 'clean', so I changed it to

  • text text text

    • Technically, when a list item has only one paragraph there is no need for the 'p' element at all. However, certain browsers will render the above differently from
  • text text text
    • (they insert more white space in the first example than the second). In the interests of future-proofing the document (what if, at some point, one of the list items gains a second paragraph -- you would then need to add 'p' elements to all the others as well) I added them around all the list items now. The indenting is pushed around because of my editor, which is set to follow my personal preferences. I like to indent each new element 2 spaces from its parent element -- in emacs its very easy to have it automatically reindent the entire document appropriately. > The main problem that I have so far is that there's no way to see > what it looks like and check the links when I'm finished, except for > using a bit of imagination and lots of carefull eyeballing or modifying > the file slightly to display it in a web browser. For this you can use CVSup to download the entire web site. This includes a 'Makefile' which you can use to turn individual pages into HTML with % make newbies.html or use it to build a local copy of the entire site with % make Hope that helps, N -- *DON'T DO THIS*. It is *BAD* engineering. *BAD* engineers *DESERVE* to be unemployed, living under park benches, and feeding off of slow moving pigeons -- Terry Lambert, in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 15 02:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11931 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11911 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id CAA11887; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newport-1-12.quick.net (josh@newport-1-12.quick.net [207.212.160.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11349 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@newport-1-12.quick.net) Received: (from josh@localhost) by newport-1-12.quick.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29230; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh) Message-Id: <199805150859.BAA29230@newport-1-12.quick.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: josh@quick.net Reply-To: josh@quick.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/6642: Xr find, locate, whereis, which Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 6642 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Xr find, locate, whereis, which >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 15 02:00:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Josh Gilliam >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 >Environment: src/usr.bin/find/find.1 1.14 src/usr.bin/locate/locate/locate.1 1.10 src/usr.bin/whereis/whereis.1 1.4 src/usr.bin/which/which.1 1.10 >Description: cross reference find(1), locate(1), whereis(1), and which(1) manual pages >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- src/usr.bin/find/find.1~ Wed Oct 29 22:00:27 1997 +++ src/usr.bin/find/find.1 Fri May 15 01:40:34 1998 @@ -438,6 +438,8 @@ .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr chmod 1 , .Xr locate 1 , +.Xr whereis 1 , +.Xr which 1 , .Xr stat 2 , .Xr fts 3 , .Xr getgrent 3 , --- src/usr.bin/locate/locate/locate.1~ Tue Feb 24 22:19:30 1998 +++ src/usr.bin/locate/locate/locate.1 Fri May 15 01:32:11 1998 @@ -188,6 +188,8 @@ .El .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr find 1 , +.Xr whereis 1, +.Xr which 1, .Xr fnmatch 3 , .Xr locate.updatedb 8 .Rs --- src/usr.bin/whereis/whereis.1~ Sat Feb 22 11:57:47 1997 +++ src/usr.bin/whereis/whereis.1 Fri May 15 01:43:52 1998 @@ -116,7 +116,9 @@ that do not have documentation: .Dl whereis -m -u /usr/bin/* .Sh SEE ALSO +.Xr find 1 , .Xr locate 1 , +.Xr which 1 , .Xr man 1 , .Xr sysctl 8 .Sh BUGS --- src/usr.bin/which/which.1~ Mon Apr 13 06:20:41 1998 +++ src/usr.bin/which/which.1 Fri May 15 01:45:32 1998 @@ -58,6 +58,9 @@ command first appeared in .Fx 2.1 . .Sh SEE ALSO +.Xr find 1 , +.Xr locate 1 , +.Xr whereis 1 , .Xr perl 1 .Sh AUTHORS The PERL script for this more modern version of >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 15 04:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05113 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05108; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) From: Joseph Koshy Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id EAA14481; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 04:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805151124.EAA14481@freefall.freebsd.org> To: josh@quick.net, jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6642 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Xr find, locate, whereis, which State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Fri May 15 04:23:14 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 15 08:09:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09717 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:09:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from erebus.fc.dna.mil (EREBUS.FC.DNA.MIL [192.149.217.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09710 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mccrory@EREBUS.FC.DNA.MIL) Received: from erebus.fc.dna.mil (erebus.fc.dna.mil [192.149.217.35]) by erebus.fc.dna.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08136 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <355C5A7A.41C67EA6@EREBUS.FC.DNA.MIL> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:08:42 -0600 From: "Roy A. McCrory" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.1.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to subscribe to your announce mailing list from this address but your form doesn't make it clear if I am also asking for uce. So I won't use the form since I don't want uce/spam. Thankyou -- Roy A. McCrory (505) 846-6937 "La tierra es del que la trabaja!" mccrory@erebus.fc.dna.mil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 15 10:18:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02261 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:18:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt053nd2.san.rr.com [204.210.34.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02256 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09263; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <355C78E7.C9BDCE13@dal.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:18:31 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0507 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ac199@hwcn.org CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Studded wrote: > > > "good" in this context. The problem in this context (as we've discussed > > before) is that there are different ways to learn and grasp concepts. > > The problem with a lot of unix documentation (and especially man pages) > > is that it's written by people who are extremely left-brain oriented and > > therefore have a difficult time presenting information in a way that > > helps non-techie's grasp the concepts. > > How does this manifest itself such that manpages are easy to > learn from for left-brain-orientated people and difficult for > others? People who are left brain dominant tend to write things in a left brain dominant way. :) I could go into more details about learning styles and such if you like, but my basic point is that people tend to write documentation about a project the same way they think about the project. Combine that with the fact that most programmers are terrible at writing prose and we can end up in a dire situation. :) Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 05:24:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08249 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08146 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:24:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11508; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:23:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980516222352.21831@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:23:52 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Oi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now that Tim and Nik have given me enough information to be dangerous, I was going to try to add freebsd-newbies into the lists of lists on the web site. All the SGML files are pretty well hidden, but most yielded to a bit of searching. I couldn't find anything remotely resembling the list summary and list charters pages (handbook341.html and handbook343.html) I give up, where are they hiding? Or if I shouldn't be meddling with this, who should? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 06:12:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13193 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:12:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13188 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11591; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:12:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980516231220.21276@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:12:20 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: nik@iii.co.uk Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbies resources page References: <19980505162032.31666@welearn.com.au> <19980514133926.32628@iii.co.uk> <19980514230445.50671@welearn.com.au> <19980514183700.65505@iii.co.uk> <19980515063350.38176@welearn.com.au> <19980515094848.64129@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980515094848.64129@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 09:48:48AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 09:48:48AM +0100, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > [ I'm going to cc: this to -doc, since it's probably useful for others > as well ] Hey Nik, thanks, this is great! > On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 06:33:50AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > OK, well here's where I'd got to already, without actually knowing SGML. > > With much determination I found a bunch of likely-looking files at > > ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/www/data/ and grabbed a > > few examples plus anything I didn't recognise as a web page. > > > > It looks like the first ten and last four lines are the same in each > > file. > > > > OK. Conceptually, this is how it works. > > Each page is an amalgamation of data from at least two sources. > That all made good sense. Just a couple more things to check... > Looking at newbies.sgml from the top down: > > > > is another RCS tag. This will expand to the ID of this file (it's name, > when it was last edited, who by and so on) and be placed in an SGML comment > when the file is checked in. > > > &header; > > This is the standard beginning of an HTML document. We then include the > &header; entity. So why isn't the included in the &header; entity as well? > Lower case I explained above. I did change the list items. You had > >
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    • > > which is probably valid HTML, but isn't 'clean', so I changed it to That's what I was thinking, but it was in whatever I was using as a model and I couldn't provide any serious reasons against it so it stayed. Thanks for clarifying. > > The main problem that I have so far is that there's no way to see > > what it looks like and check the links when I'm finished, except for > > using a bit of imagination and lots of carefull eyeballing or modifying > > the file slightly to display it in a web browser. I knew it was time to stop asking questions, I just knew it... > For this you can use CVSup Oh no! Another thing to learn! :-) > to download the entire web site. This includes > a 'Makefile' which you can use to turn individual pages into HTML with > > % make newbies.html > > or use it to build a local copy of the entire site with > > % make OK, but I haven't got space for it right now. I will learn about CVSup when there's more space here, honest :-) Oh, another thing. What happens if someone does something that's hideous, or that just wouldn't be right on the web site. How is that dealt with? > Hope that helps, Yep, the puzzle's really coming together! For others too, I hope. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 07:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19409 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19404 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06514; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:20:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sue Blake cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oi! In-Reply-To: <19980516222352.21831@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Now that Tim and Nik have given me enough information to be dangerous, I > was going to try to add freebsd-newbies into the lists of lists on the > web site. All the SGML files are pretty well hidden, but most yielded to > a bit of searching. I couldn't find anything remotely resembling the list > summary and list charters pages (handbook341.html and handbook343.html) You probably want to look at doc/handbook/eresources.sgml, eventually to be moved to doc/en/handbook/???? (Yow! Is everything going to be in one single monster DocBook file!?). These files will look a little different from the other .sgml files you played with... ;) They're written in LinuxDoc (and eagerly awaiting transformation to DocBook! Yay!). If you want, you can search for information on LinuxDoc, and you'll probably find a reasonable tutorial or reference (not that it's possible to make a reasonable reference for LinuxDoc, but as reasonable as possible), however, if you just look-over the file a bit, you can probably intuit where/when most tags are needed. [Don't spend forever trying to avoid mistakes, since I suspect there are already so many in our LinuxDoc sources that no one will notice another...] If you only want to add the freebsd-newbies -list and add its charter, then you'll probably find that that's very easy. :-) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 07:51:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22363 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22356 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:51:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09878; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sue Blake cc: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbies resources page In-Reply-To: <19980516231220.21276@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > For this you can use CVSup > > Oh no! Another thing to learn! :-) Well, you can also just download ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/doc/handbook.tar. That means, though, that anytime you want to update your copy of the handbook, you'll have to re-download the whole thing. Personally, I keep a "checked-out" copy of the handbook up-to-date so I can change it easily... I think you can use anon-cvs to do the same... There's some info in the handbook, but I think all you'd need to do would be cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.freebsd.org:/cvs co handbook and then to update it, cd handbook cvs update > > or use it to build a local copy of the entire site with > > > > % make You'll need the various SGML and LinuxDoc ports installed for this, too. I can't remember which ones, though... They're documented in DESCR, though, so if you search with http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ports for "LinuxDoc", you should probably find them. > Oh, another thing. What happens if someone does something that's hideous, > or that just wouldn't be right on the web site. How is that dealt with? Depends on whether or not someone has something better to put in its place. ;-) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 08:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26209 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26193 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA11825; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:24:59 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980517012455.20184@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:24:55 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oi! References: <19980516222352.21831@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:20:58AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:20:58AM -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > Now that Tim and Nik have given me enough information to be dangerous, I > > was going to try to add freebsd-newbies into the lists of lists on the > > web site. All the SGML files are pretty well hidden, but most yielded to > > a bit of searching. I couldn't find anything remotely resembling the list > > summary and list charters pages (handbook341.html and handbook343.html) > > You probably want to look at doc/handbook/eresources.sgml, Aharr, found it hiding there at last! :-) > eventually to be moved to doc/en/handbook/???? (Yow! Is > everything going to be in one single monster DocBook file!?). > > These files will look a little different from the other .sgml > files you played with... ;) They're written in LinuxDoc > (and eagerly awaiting transformation to DocBook! Yay!). It does look a bit different, but this too looks like little more than some overgrown HTML thing. A few more examples and it'll all make sense :-) > If you only want to add the freebsd-newbies -list and add its > charter, then you'll probably find that that's very easy. :-) Shh! You're supposed to say it's very hard so my cheats look clever :-( There could still be people out there who believe I know what I'm doing. Poor souls :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 08:53:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00792 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00784 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA09700; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:53:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:53:31 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Tim Vanderhoek , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html References: <19980513100517.25585@welearn.com.au> <19980513182328.57620@welearn.com.au> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 16 May 1998 17:53:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sue Blake's message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 18:23:28 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake writes: > preamble or don't remember it, and who'd think of Ctrl-G. The only other > place I've encountered Ctrl-G is to beep the PC speaker in a DOS > batch file, when there's an editor that'll let you use that character. You don't use Emacs much, do you? :) -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 10:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08722 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08717 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA29776; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: Sue Blake , nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbies resources page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 May 1998, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > > For this you can use CVSup [...] > anon-cvs to do the same... There's some info in the handbook, Just to clarify, cvs(1) is different from CVSup in that cvs(1) is part of the base system, but CVSup is a port. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 16:00:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22405 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.euronet.nl (mail.euronet.nl [194.134.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22398 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slf@euronet.nl) Received: from euronet.nl (i335.asd.euronet.nl [194.134.12.228]) by mail.euronet.nl (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25876 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:00:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <355E35E2.E5C59B38@euronet.nl> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:57:06 +0200 From: Steve X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Where can I order the Free BSD CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Where and how can I order a Free BSD CD (installation ) I can't find the Cd anywhere here in Holland. Have Any suggetions?? Or can I order it .. Thanks Steve Fernandes slf@euronet.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 18:18:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07914 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:18:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07905 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA00553; Sun, 17 May 1998 10:48:00 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980517104759.H370@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:47:59 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Steve , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where can I order the Free BSD CD References: <355E35E2.E5C59B38@euronet.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <355E35E2.E5C59B38@euronet.nl>; from Steve on Sun, May 17, 1998 at 02:57:06AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 17 May 1998 at 2:57:06 +0200, Steve wrote: > Hi > Where and how can I order a Free BSD CD (installation ) > I can't find the Cd anywhere here in Holland. > Have Any suggetions?? > > Or can I order it .. Check out http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/fbsd26.htm. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 20:16:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21864 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21809 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from QL_robert@msn.com) Received: from qlnote01 - 139.134.9.84 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:15:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bd81a1$c0d452e0$5409868b@qlnote01> From: "Robert Hsiao" To: Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:40:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD81F5.83568CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD81F5.83568CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD81F5.83568CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD81F5.83568CE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 20:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25096 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25088 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm01-11.aei.ca [206.123.6.111]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01317; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <355E5C27.25E64EA0@aei.ca> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:40:23 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: Steve , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where can I order the Free BSD CD References: <355E35E2.E5C59B38@euronet.nl> <19980517104759.H370@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hum, why not put questions@freebsd.org on www.freebsd.org with a *little* introduction on how to send a question and recommand to read the FAQ first? That should direct question to the right place, no? Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sun, 17 May 1998 at 2:57:06 +0200, Steve wrote: > > Hi > > Where and how can I order a Free BSD CD (installation ) > > I can't find the Cd anywhere here in Holland. > > Have Any suggetions?? > > > > Or can I order it .. > > Check out http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/fbsd26.htm. > > Greg -- -------------------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD 4 Newbies project Windows_95-B Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 21:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29957 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29939 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA10814; Sun, 17 May 1998 13:50:32 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980517135031.L370@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:50:31 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Malartre Cc: Steve , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where can I order the Free BSD CD References: <355E35E2.E5C59B38@euronet.nl> <19980517104759.H370@freebie.lemis.com> <355E5C27.25E64EA0@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <355E5C27.25E64EA0@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 11:40:23PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 May 1998 at 23:40:23 -0400, Malartre wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Sun, 17 May 1998 at 2:57:06 +0200, Steve wrote: >>> Hi >>> Where and how can I order a Free BSD CD (installation ) >>> I can't find the Cd anywhere here in Holland. >>> Have Any suggetions?? >>> >>> Or can I order it .. >> >> Check out http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/fbsd26.htm. > > Hum, why not put questions@freebsd.org on www.freebsd.org with a > *little* introduction on how to send a question and recommand to read > the FAQ first? > That should direct question to the right place, no? Oh, it went to -doc again, did it? Sorry, I didn't notice. Yes, I got a reply from one person who sent a question to -doc, and he mentioned having come that way. I've just had another look, and I suspect that it's time for a general cleanup of the FreeBSD web pages. Sure, most of the information we want is there, but it's not the easiest to find. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 16 21:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03132 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03126 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13426; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:53:31 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980517145327.61426@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:53:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Greg Lehey Cc: Malartre , Steve , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where can I order the Free BSD CD References: <355E35E2.E5C59B38@euronet.nl> <19980517104759.H370@freebie.lemis.com> <355E5C27.25E64EA0@aei.ca> <19980517135031.L370@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980517135031.L370@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sun, May 17, 1998 at 01:50:31PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 17, 1998 at 01:50:31PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 1998 at 23:40:23 -0400, Malartre wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Sun, 17 May 1998 at 2:57:06 +0200, Steve wrote: > >>> Hi > >>> Where and how can I order a Free BSD CD (installation ) > >>> I can't find the Cd anywhere here in Holland. > >>> Have Any suggetions?? > >>> > >>> Or can I order it .. > >> > >> Check out http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/fbsd26.htm. > > > > Hum, why not put questions@freebsd.org on www.freebsd.org with a > > *little* introduction on how to send a question and recommand to read > > the FAQ first? > > That should direct question to the right place, no? > > Oh, it went to -doc again, did it? Sorry, I didn't notice. Actually, I think this one was appropriate. Coming from mailto.html (which has just been updated) there are two choices: questions about FreeBSD, or questions about the web site contents and documentation. I might have chosen the latter to ask about buying CDs, which could be expected to be on sale (or omitted) from the web site. > Yes, I got a reply from one person who sent a question to -doc, and he > mentioned having come that way. I've just had another look, and I > suspect that it's time for a general cleanup of the FreeBSD web pages. > Sure, most of the information we want is there, but it's not the > easiest to find. Yep. It could do with a bit more structure. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message