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Subject: docs/8525: A typo in fixprint.8
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>Number: 8525
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: '.Mn mountd' should be '.Nm mountd', I guess.
>Confidential: no
>Severity: non-critical
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>Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 1 04:30:01 PST 1998
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>Originator: Norihiro Kumagai
>Organization:
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>Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386
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>Description:
In 'fixmount.8', we can find the following phrase:
To take care of these cases, the remote /etc/rmtab file has to
be edited and restarted.
I guess it should be:
To take care of these cases, the remote /etc/rmtab file has to
be edited and mountd restarted.
>How-To-Repeat:
>Fix:
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--- fixmount.8-org Sat Oct 24 00:05:26 1998
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@@ -152,7 +152,7 @@
the remote
.Pa /etc/rmtab
file has to be edited and
-.Mn mountd
+.Nm mountd
restarted.
.Pp
The RPC timeouts for
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From: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org>
To: Malartre <malartre@aei.ca>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>,
Peter da Silva <peter@taronga.com>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: New prototype for the FreeBSD homepage
References: <19981028151508.A8115@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981028232318.35249@nothing-going-on.org> <19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>,<19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981101061204.63924@welearn.com.au> <199810312135.PAA17201@bonkers.taronga.com> <19981101084334.31126@welearn.com.au> <363BFA57.E061C36@aei.ca> <363BFCB9.6B2C278C@aei.ca>
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On 1998-11-01 01:16:26 -0500, Malartre wrote:
> > Or simply write in BOLD in the right column under "What is FreeBSD"
> > "FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system for "PC-compatible"
> > computers, developed and maintained by a large team of individuals.
> > <B>It is not a simple application, but a powerfull operating system at
> > the same level has Win95 and MacOS that don't run Win95-MacOS
> > applications."
> > In a better/more concise way than me.
> > Cya
> And a screenshot which would be different from Win95 would be helpfull
> for a newbie to understand the concept. Including some Xterm and the
> normal stuff like Netscape/The Gimp, etc...
>From my memory, FreeBSD screenshots are available at http://www.cdrom.com
Wolfram
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Malartre wrote:
>
> Randy wrote:
> >
> > I finished the Install Preview of FreeBSD 2.2.7 and uploaded to:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/index.html
> >
> > Thanks for all the direct comments on the last version. Those were
> > incorporated as well as a general re-organization in multiple page
> > format.
> >
> > Randy
> Great work!
> Just one error:
> Starting from:http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/ftp_anon.html
> to:http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/freebsdboot.html
> The link at bottom:Install Preview of FreeBSD : FreeBSD Bootup
> is pointing to www.freebsd.org/index.html
> I think it should be pointing to
> http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/index.html
> Tank you
It's corrected. Thanks.
I apologize to the group for the incorrect email address on my last
post.
Randy
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To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, Sean Kelly <kelly@plutotech.com>
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On Fri, Oct 30, 1998 at 01:35:11PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > Commenting on the new organization would be easier if we were to make a
> > statement about what the intended goal and audience is: should the
> > handbook be targeted to the lowest, most computer-unaware user possible,
> > or is some familiarity with Unix assumed (for example)? This should be
>
> I think the only real answer to this question is: Yes. :-)
>
> The usual compromise approach is to make each chapter or section
> follow the same basic flow pattern: You start with simple, 3-4 letter
> words for the beginning and focus on "how to" style information and
> then gradually get more technical until you're covering hacker-level
> information at the end, capped by a further reading section that
> really goes off into the deep end if one exists.
That sounds great if the levels are clearly marked. Some chapters or
sections will be mostly easy stuff and some will move to more
advanced stuff very early. The start and stop signs need to be obvious.
The first few times I read the Handbook, I read it from cover to cover
without any idea that some was unnecessary. The "easy" bits were as
incomprehensible to me as the advanced stuff so it seemed like it all
had to be conquered before installing.
> That way the novice users can just read as far as they need to and
> stop (which their limited attention spam more or less guarantees
> anyway ;)
Ahem :-) their attention span is the same, i.e., they can take in
exactly the same amount of new information as anyone else. It is
difficult for doc writers to realise how many unfamiliar concepts can be
crammed into a single sentence which sounds like a single point to them.
Some novices study on anyway, and get so fed up with the effort (not
knowing they can stop) that they never actually install the damn thing.
> whereas the pros can skim the beginning and only start reading
> seriously at the point where the information density seems high
> enough.
Yes, make them wade through too much boring stuff and they won't bother
reading what we wish they would read either :-)
I like Nik's new outline. It fits my perspective a lot better than the
old. It will still need clear travel guides for different kinds of
users, whoever we decide they are.
Here's some brainstorming in case any is helpful... nothing concrete,
sorry, just a perspective for now.
I'd like to be able to pick up the handbook and instantly find what
an inexperienced new user needs without much searching, and get that
only to the level required for now (with links to more info of course)
and in a sequence that resembles the order in which it can be used.
The stuff that leads to "Look Ma, I'm _using_ FreeBSD" is critical.
Things like:
1 How to get FreeBSD (options, pros and cons)
2 Very basic installation instructions, but including puzzles like
- how to name and number the machine
- lots on how to do an FTP installation (easier to do than it seems)
- whether/how to install what packages at that time*
- how to recognise when the installation has finished and if it worked
- links all along to more installation info in case of trouble
3 Getting around from the shell prompt (WTF is a shell?); shutdown
4 Using ee for now, and mention better options for later
5 Anything that must be done or checked right after installing (using 3&4)
6 Installing the GUI window thing (oh, it's called X? it's not freebsd?)
7 Using X (how to get out, resolution, how the mouse works for copying, etc)
8 Connecting to my ISP (bugger the jargon, that's what I want to do)
9 Installing more packages (use packages or ports? why? how?)
10 Misc orientation stuff:
- Things happen by themselves, like find at 2am, atrun; it's OK.
- Locate doesn't work until Saturday; what do those root messages mean?
- Getting more ttys and mounting (extended) DOS partitions
They're all first day need to know topics for, e.g., Microsoft refugees
working alone from home on their first FreeBSD system, and most of it's
already in there somewhere. It can be too hard to find these topics from
the contents unless you know what their section would be classified
under. For example, I wouldn't have expected to find the windowing GUI
thing under "Applications". Better organisation will help a lot but an
additional read-these-first list might still be necessary.
As you point out, it's important to tell people not only where to start,
but also where to stop. One way of doing this is to use a very brief
overview of a topic in point form, marking the essential newbie
information for first time reading. Another is to present a guide to
first use of the handbook, and yet another is to mark the actual pages.
(Do people still hand out those bibles with lots of passages underlined
for lazy converts with short attention spans? That's the approach.) If
you don't tell newbies what to read, you take pot luck; if you don't
tell them what *not* to read, they'll try to read it all then give up
completely. We never hear from these people, but others do.
It's starting to sound like I'm looking for a separate clueless newbies
document, but no, I'd see that as counterproductive. It should all be
mentioned in the one spot, with pointers to lots of tutorials for even
more in depth easy treatment, but without assuming the reader has enough
experience to choose what to read when. Most people are really new at
some of this and want more advanced info on some other aspects, so it's
convenient to have it all together; everyone starts with the handbook.
And the handbook must be readily available in a recognisably
Microsoft-friendly format if they are to read it before installing, and
it would be nice if there was some easy way to identify and print just
the first-needed sections from Microsoft, because that's what people
will be trying to do with it. (Think about it: col -b is absurd)
You can keep the stuff about allowing people to dial in, networking,
firewalls, quotas, window manager choices and config, and other hacker
stuff for later reading, but please do include everyone's skills under
the "contributing to FreeBSD" heading, however humble they seem.
Good habits start early.
It might be useful to take a similar look from several other
perspectives, and see how many of them can be accommodated in the one
document because of the improved structure. The picture I've painted
here must look awful to people who basically know what they're doing.
Yes, I will be prepared to put my pen where my mouth is if there are
holes to fill. For now I'm just throwing ideas around for criticism.
* In a few weeks I'll be trying to get around this by bundling a small
starter set of packages together that will suit those without a clue,
together with some config files and doccos similarly aimed. I'm still
trying to get a clue myself though :-)
--
Regards,
-*Sue*-
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Hello, docs project folks.
This is kim manton (antwerp@time.cdrom.com), secret invisible docs
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are stabilized -- keep trying).
I've taken a break from contracting to (a) regain my sanity and
(b) do some work on the FreeBSD docs project. I've been working
on a new (separate) Installation and Configuration Guide(s), and
a docplan/outline for a complete standard UNIX format docset.
I hadn't seen much happening on the docs project until very
recently -- other than the massive and heroic effort to convert the
handbook to the O'Reilly docbook DTD (!yow!) -- so I've just been off
in a corner doing my own thing. Now it looks like some major organized
effort is shaping up to redo the docs, so I thought I'd let you
know I'm around and available to do some work.
I also have some ideas about how to recruit new writers and maybe even
possibly get some actual real ($$) resources for the docs
project. I'll send that out in a separate message. Also, I am
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(press releases, glossies, datasheets, whitepapers, advertising,
etc.). If anyone else out there would like to work on that (or already
is!), you can email me at antwerp@time.cdrom.com.
[A draft of the install guide will be posted around the end of next week
on my webpage. This project is separate from the handbook, but if
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>Number: 8535
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: insufficient support documentation for kld
>Confidential: no
>Severity: serious
>Priority: high
>Responsible: freebsd-doc
>State: open
>Quarter:
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>Submitter-Id: current-users
>Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 1 18:20:00 PST 1998
>Last-Modified:
>Originator: Rajesh Vaidheeswarran
>Organization:
>Release: 3.0-RELEASE
>Environment:
FreeBSD freebsd.eng.fore.com 3.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Nov 1 15:27:24 EST 1998 bash@freebsd.eng.fore.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/FB30 i386
>Description:
The release notes state that kld is the preferred method of loading
modules into the kernel, replacing "lkm and bogosity that went with it"
Unfortunately, lkms came with extensive documentation and examples
that I cannot locate for kld.
So, the question is: Where is the kld documentation? Or.. Should
one continue to write for lkm in the absence of such documentation?
Thanks
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>Responsible: freebsd-doc
>State: open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
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>Class: doc-bug
>Submitter-Id: current-users
>Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 1 20:50:00 PST 1998
>Last-Modified:
>Originator: Anton Krasovsky
>Organization:
Trans-M-radio
>Release: 3.0-RELEASE
>Environment:
Don't have it for now
>Description:
When installing from MS-DOS volume wich have 3.0-RELEASE distribution
in directory \FREEBSD (as shown in install help for Selecting Media Type) install says that it is unable to retrive following distributions "bin man ..." e.g. selected ones, unless I set name of directory where FreBSDis located as a release name in Options menu.
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Subject: docs/8542: ipf.1 -> ipf.8 ?
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>Number: 8542
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: ipf man page should be moved from section 1 to section 8
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>Severity: non-critical
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>Description:
man page for ipf should be moved from section 1 to section 8
for the following reasons:
1. This is a an "admin" utility
2. ipfw is a section 8
3. Most of ipf-like man pages (ipfstat, ipftest, etc) point to ipf(8)
>How-To-Repeat:
man 8 ipf ; man 1 ipf
>Fix:
mv /usr/share/man/man1/ipf.1.gz /usr/share/man/man8/ipf.8.gz
It also seem that /usr/src/contrib/ipfilter/man/man.8 is more
up-to-date then /usr/src/contrib/ipfilter/man/man.1
I guess /usr/src/sbin/ipf/Makefile also needs to be changed?
Or is there a reason for ipf.8 not to be installed?
--- Makefile.old Mon Nov 2 01:53:35 1998
+++ Makefile Mon Nov 2 02:01:16 1998
@@ -3,9 +3,9 @@
.PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../../contrib/ipfilter ${.CURDIR}/../../contrib/ipfilter/man
PROG= ipf
-MAN1= ipf.1
MAN4= ipf.4
MAN5= ipf.5
+MAN8= ipf.8
SRCS= ipf.c parse.c opt.c
CFLAGS+=-DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -I- -I${.CURDIR}/../../sys/netinet -I${.CURDIR}/../../contrib/ipfilter
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>Number: 8543
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: Man page uses /vmunix instead of /kernel
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>Severity: non-critical
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>State: open
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>Organization:
>Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE
>Environment:
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>Description:
The "FILES" section of ipfstat(8) man page refers to "/vmunix":
FILES
/dev/kmem
/dev/ipl
/dev/ipstate
/vmunix
Also in "DESCRIPTION": The kernel name defaults to /vmunix
>How-To-Repeat:
man ipfstat
>Fix:
coredump# diff -u ipfstat.8.old ipfstat.8
--- ipfstat.8.old Sat Jun 20 18:29:07 1998
+++ ipfstat.8 Mon Nov 2 02:07:57 1998
@@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
\fBipfstat\fP examines /dev/kmem using the symbols \fB_fr_flags\fP,
\fB_frstats\fP, \fB_filterin\fP, and \fB_filterout\fP.
To run and work, it needs to be able to read both /dev/kmem and the
-kernel itself. The kernel name defaults to \fB/vmunix\fP.
+kernel itself. The kernel name defaults to \fB/kernel\fP.
.PP
The default behaviour of \fBipfstat\fP
is to retrieve and display the accumulated statistics which have been
@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@
.br
/dev/ipstate
.br
-/vmunix
+/kernel
.SH SEE ALSO
ipf(8)
.SH BUGS
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To: Marty Cawthon <mrc@ChipChat.com>,
Wolfram Schneider <wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de>
Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: New prototype for the FreeBSD homepage
References: <19981028151508.A8115@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <Pine.BSF.3.95LJ1.1b3.981030031357.21354E-100000@Piman-Orange.ChipChat.com>
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On 1998-10-30 03:33:15 +0000, Marty Cawthon wrote:
> Guten Tag, Herr Schneider
>
> COMMENT
> I like the looks of this new page.
> The layout is easy to follow and find things.
>
> IDEA FOR CONSIDERATION
> Perhaps it is worth testing the new pages using
> "http://validator.w3.org"
Good idea! I did not test if the new layout confirm to
the standard(s). I just checked if it looks good with
the common browsers (Netscape 1,2,3,4; lynx, Internet Explorer)
and in small or large (1000x800) window size.
If you (or someone else) find a HTML bug in the homepage
please send the correction to doc@freebsd.org
Wolfram
>
> I was particularly impressed with the idea of "automatically generating
> an outline" using the HTML <Hn> headings. As people rely more on search
> engines to find things, having a search engine 'understand' the logical
> layout of your web page will become more important for returning
> and presenting meaningful "hits" to the searcher.
> The validator site has an "automatic outline" creation option to test
> the "logical layout" of your web page.
>
> A reason to validate to the w3 specifications is to support the concept
> of Internet Standards that are independent of control by vendors
> (specifically Microsoft and Netscape). It seems that Open HTML standards
> might be agreeable to many in the FreeBSD community, and one that the
> FreeBSD web page might want to explicitly support, perhaps by displaying
> the "Validated HTML 4" icon.
>
> I LIKE THIS IDEA
> I am working on redesigning our own web pages to be HTML4 valid.
> The new HTML 4 specifications are forcing me to learn style sheets, and
> to separate the logical (HTML) markup from the display (style sheet)
> markup.
> It is extra work, but for my company's pages I have believe it is the
> right direction to go. Perhaps also good for FreeBSD...
>
> This idea is offered for thought.
> The new page layout is very handsome, and reflects much thought and work.
>
> Marty Cawthon
> ChipChat
>
>
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Subject: Re: tcpdump
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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (EST)
> From: Willow <willow@tds.edu>
>
> when trying to run tcmpdump as root I get the following:
>
> tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: Device not configured
>
> Any ideas why?
As everyone said, add the "bpfilter" line to a config file,
rebuild the new kernel with this new config file,
install the new kernel as /kernel (make install),
and, lastly, reboot your system to start the new kernel!
See "Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel" in the Handbook for more info.
(Ahhh, a new FreeBSD homepage, nice.)
This is a FAQ but I don't see it in the FreeBSD FAQ.
Can someone add it?
Mike
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On 1998-11-01 12:44:43 -0800, Kim wrote:
> I also have some ideas about how to recruit new writers and maybe even
> possibly get some actual real ($$) resources for the docs
> project. I'll send that out in a separate message. Also, I am
> interested in helping out with the marketing pubs end of the spectrum
> (press releases, glossies, datasheets, whitepapers, advertising,
> etc.). If anyone else out there would like to work on that (or already
> is!), you can email me at antwerp@time.cdrom.com.
I think the missing PR department is currently our biggest problem.
Wolfram
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Dear Sirs!
I've downloaded your Handbook in HTML format several times,
but couldn't extract a single file form it,
because my archiver wasn't able to read it.
Each time I tried to extract files from archive it gave an error message:
'Error reading header after processing 0 entries'.
My archiver, WinZip 6.2, so far has been working well for about a year.
What may be the likely reason of the problem?
Could you, please, suggest something?
I'd appreciate any kind of help.
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On 02-Nov-98 Alexey Shishkin wrote:
> My archiver, WinZip 6.2, so far has been working well for about a year.
see http://www.winzip.com
version 7.0 is out and most likely supports better tar.gz handling.
On a sidenote, tar.gz files might get downloaded wrongly by Netscape under
Windows.
Just a hint...
---
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From: grady@xcf.berkeley.edu (Steven Grady)
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:52:40 -0800
I also noticed that the multimedia list is not listed.
Steven
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In-Reply-To: <XFMail.981102194751.asmodai@wxs.nl> from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai at "Nov 2, 98 07:47:51 pm"
To: asmodai@wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai)
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According to Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai:
> On 02-Nov-98 Alexey Shishkin wrote:
> > My archiver, WinZip 6.2, so far has been working well for about a year.
>
> see http://www.winzip.com
>
> version 7.0 is out and most likely supports better tar.gz handling.
I have had NO problems with tar or gz files in winzip... it has worked
flawlessly for AGES. (Except for the fact that due to the format it uses
a temp directory and actually untars the whole thing to be able to view
the file, but that's another matter)
> On a sidenote, tar.gz files might get downloaded wrongly by Netscape under
> Windows.
I think this is much more likely to be the cause. Try and use some other
FTP program and get the file. And see to that you use "binary" transfer.
/Mikael
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I like the new homepage but I have a suggestion.
Let the sidebar come all the way to the top,
move the FreeBSD image to the right, and
move the select server into the sidebar.
See www.perl.com and www.oreilly.com for examples.
Mike
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From: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org>
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If I search in the web pages (web, handbook, FAQ)
I get a list of filenames, e..g:
The archive www contains the following items relevant to `plip':
1. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ39.html
Score: 422; Lines: 79; -11-1998; Archive: www
2. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ37.html
Score: 394; Lines: 54; -11-1998; Archive: www
3. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ38.html
Score: 358; Lines: 133; -11-1998; Archive: www
[...]
The filename is not very informative.
Is it possible to print the title of the documents too?, e.g.
1. Can I install on my laptop over PLIP (Parallel Line IP)?
http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ39.html
Score: 422; Lines: 79; -11-1998; Archive: www
2. Help! I can't install from tape!
http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ37.html
Score: 394; Lines: 54; -11-1998; Archive: www
3. Connect 2 FreeBSD boxes over a parallel line (PLIP)
http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ38.html
Score: 358; Lines: 133; -11-1998; Archive: www
[...]
Wolfram
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Folks,
There's the beginnings of a DocBook markup guide for the Handbook at
<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/hb/markup-guide.html>
Some entities haven't been fixedup (“ == ``, ” = '',
… = ...) but that's the majority of things that are marked up
in the Handbook.
Comments appreciated. This is a first draft.
N
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In the guide at <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/hb/markup-guide.html>,
you wrote:
Each chapter.sgml file will not be a complete SGML
document. In particular, they will not have their
own DOCTYPE line at the start of the file.
This is unfortunate for two reasons;
Yes, it is indeed unfortunate, but not necessary either, is it? Why
can't each chapter be a complete SGML document with a DOCTYPE
declaration that's later entity-included into the book? I could've
sworn that works.
--Sean
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Subject: docs/8547: Various updates to authors.sgml, printing.sgml
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>Number: 8547
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: Various updates to authors.sgml, printing.sgml
>Confidential: no
>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: low
>Responsible: freebsd-doc
>State: open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
>Class: change-request
>Submitter-Id: current-users
>Arrival-Date: Mon Nov 2 16:30:01 PST 1998
>Last-Modified:
>Originator: Sean Kelly
>Organization:
Pluto Technologies
>Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386
>Environment:
Not relevant.
>Description:
Here are some diffs to the printing chapter based on
suggestions gathered up over the months.
The diffs to /doc/handbook/printing.sgml contains changes to
the form-feed eject sequence for HP/PCL-based printers, plus a
better filter script for Ghostscript scan conversion for
non-PostScript printers. It also updates the acknowledgements
to credit those who've suggested the changes.
The diffs to /doc/handbook/authors.sgml just changes my email
address from "kelly@fsl.noaa.gov" to "kelly@plutotech.com".
Please review and commit.
>How-To-Repeat:
Not relevant.
>Fix:
Here:
--- printing.sgml.orig Thu Oct 15 11:21:44 1998
+++ printing.sgml Thu Oct 15 11:23:05 1998
@@ -5,8 +5,6 @@
The FreeBSD Documentation Project
-<!DOCTYPE linuxdoc PUBLIC "-//FreeBSD//DTD linuxdoc//EN">
-
<article>
<title> Printing with FreeBSD
<author> Sean Kelly <tt/kelly@fsl.noaa.gov/
@@ -1228,10 +1226,9 @@
# Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hpif
#
# Simply copies stdin to stdout. Ignores all filter arguments.
-# Tells printer to treat LF as CR+LF. Writes a form feed character
-# after printing job.
+# Tells printer to treat LF as CR+LF. Ejects the page when done.
-printf "\033&k2G" && cat && printf "\f" && exit 0
+printf "\033&k2G" && cat && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0
exit 2
</code>
@@ -2317,17 +2314,26 @@
if [ "$first_two_chars" = "%!" ]; then
#
- # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it
+ # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it.
+ #
+ # Note that PostScript files are actually interpreted programs,
+ # and those programs are allowed to write to stdout, which will
+ # mess up the printed output. So, we redirect stdout to stderr
+ # and then make descriptor 3 go to stdout, and have Ghostscript
+ # write its output there. Exercise for the clever reader:
+ # capture the stderr output from Ghostscript and mail it back to
+ # the user originating the print job.
#
- /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=djet500 -sOutputFile=- - \
- && exit 0
+ exec 3>&1 1>&2
+ /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=djet500 \
+ -sOutputFile=/dev/fd/3 - && exit 0
else
#
# Plain text or HP/PCL, so just print it directly; print a form
# at the end to eject the last page.
#
- echo $first_line && cat && printf "\f" && exit 0
+ echo $first_line && cat && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0
fi
exit 2
@@ -2340,7 +2346,6 @@
That is it. You can type <tt/lpr plain.text/ and <tt/lpr
whatever.ps/ and both should print successfully.
-
<sect2><heading>Conversion Filters<label
id="printing:advanced:convfilters"></heading>
@@ -2559,7 +2564,7 @@
# Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hprf
#
-printf "\033&k2G" && fpr && printf "\f" && exit 0
+printf "\033&k2G" && fpr && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0
exit 2
</code>
And we will add this line to the <tt>/etc/printcap</tt>
@@ -4051,6 +4056,19 @@
<tag/&a.jehamby;/
For the Ghostscript-to-HP filter.
+
+ <tag/&a.jfieber;/
+
+ For debugging why printing from Windows 95 to a FreeBSD
+ system simulating a PostScript printer with Ghostscript
+ didn't produce correct output, and suggesting a fix, which
+ is included herein.
+
+ <tag/Stephen Montgomery-Smith <tt/<stephen@math.missouri.edu>//
+
+ For suggesting using "\033&l0H" instead of "\f" to
+ eject the last page on HP printers; the latter could eject
+ an extra blank page while the former never does.
<tag/My wife, Mary Kelly <tt/<urquhart@argyre.colorado.edu>//
--- authors.sgml.orig Thu Oct 15 11:21:53 1998
+++ authors.sgml Thu Oct 15 11:21:56 1998
@@ -335,8 +335,8 @@
name='<kato@FreeBSD.ORG>'></tt>">
<!ENTITY a.kelly "Sean Kelly
- <tt><htmlurl url='mailto:kelly@fsl.noaa.gov'
- name='<kelly@fsl.noaa.gov>'></tt>">
+ <tt><htmlurl url='mailto:kelly@plutotech.com'
+ name='<kelly@plutotech.com>'></tt>">
<!ENTITY a.ken "Kenneth D. Merry
<tt><htmlurl url='mailto:ken@FreeBSD.ORG'
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References: <19981028151508.A8115@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981028232318.35249@nothing-going-on.org> <19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>,<19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981101061204.63924@welearn.com.au> <199810312135.PAA17201@bonkers.taronga.com> <19981101084334.31126@welearn.com.au> <363BFA57.E061C36@aei.ca> <363BFCB9.6B2C278C@aei.ca> <19981101084848.A846@panke.de.freebsd.org>
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Wolfram Schneider wrote:
> From my memory, FreeBSD screenshots are available at http://www.cdrom.com
>
> Wolfram
Yes, but the new_user/linux_user/whatever_user will go on FreeBSD.org
first. He will probably want to know what's unix -visually-.
He won't go on cdrom.com to check a screenshot. I'm sure a good
screenshot should be used to advocate it, on the top of the page.
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On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 05:08:04PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
> In the guide at <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/hb/markup-guide.html>,
> you wrote:
>
> Each chapter.sgml file will not be a complete SGML
> document. In particular, they will not have their
> own DOCTYPE line at the start of the file.
>
> This is unfortunate for two reasons;
>
> Yes, it is indeed unfortunate, but not necessary either, is it? Why
> can't each chapter be a complete SGML document with a DOCTYPE
> declaration that's later entity-included into the book? I could've
> sworn that works.
It doesn't work.
% cat test.sgml
<!DOCTYPE sect1 PUBLIC "-//Davenport//DTD DocBook V3.0//EN" [
<!ENTITY p SYSTEM "para.sgml">
]>
<sect1>
<title>A small section</title>
&p;
</sect1>
% cat para.sgml
<!DOCTYPE para PUBLIC "-//Davenport//DTD DocBook V3.0//EN">
<para>A DocBook paragraph.</para>
% nsgmls -s test.sgml
nsgmls:para.sgml:1:2:E: "DOCTYPE" declaration not allowed in instance
% echo "<para>A Docbook paragraph.</para>" > para.sgml
% nsgmls -s test.sgml
%
Hence the work around of Emacs local variables and a driver file.
N
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Hi Kim,
On Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 12:44:43PM -0800, Kim wrote:
> I've taken a break from contracting to (a) regain my sanity and
> (b) do some work on the FreeBSD docs project. I've been working
> on a new (separate) Installation and Configuration Guide(s), and
> a docplan/outline for a complete standard UNIX format docset.
Have you seen the (v. recent) discussion I kicked off about this?
> I hadn't seen much happening on the docs project until very
> recently -- other than the massive and heroic effort to convert the
> handbook to the O'Reilly docbook DTD (!yow!) --
Thanks. It's been keeping me busy :-)
> so I've just been off in a corner doing my own thing. Now it looks
> like some major organized effort is shaping up to redo the docs,
> so I thought I'd let you know I'm around and available to do some work.
OK. If the next round of discussion about my proposed changes is positive
I'm going to
1. Finish getting the DocBook Handbook to the point where it can
replace the LinuxDoc one.
2. Implement the framework for the new documentation set -- I think
we've probably gone beyond the realms of a Handbook now.
The framework will use a lot of the content from the existing Handbook.
Equally, there will be a lot of sparse areas, and sections which will need
some rewriting. I think that's the majority of the work that will need
doing. In the mean time, any comments you have about my proposed changes
would be very welcome.
> I also have some ideas about how to recruit new writers and maybe even
> possibly get some actual real ($$) resources for the docs
> project.
Sounds good.
> I'll send that out in a separate message. Also, I am
> interested in helping out with the marketing pubs end of the spectrum
> (press releases, glossies, datasheets, whitepapers, advertising,
> etc.). If anyone else out there would like to work on that (or already
> is!), you can email me at antwerp@time.cdrom.com.
Also sounds good. There's effort happening on the advocacy mailing list
(advocacy@freebsd.org) right now about press releases and the like. I
can't speak for them, but it might be worth getting in touch with the
folks behind freebsdmall.com as well.
> [A draft of the install guide will be posted around the end of next week
> on my webpage. This project is separate from the handbook, but if
> you want to incorporate it, go for it.]
There's at least one other guide floating around, Randy Pratt's at
<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/>
Have you seen it? Perhaps the two of you could collaborate?
N
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Hi,
On the page http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#cvs
---------------------------------------
Every change (with accompanying log message explaining
its purpose) from FreeBSD 2.0 to the present is stored here,
and can be easily viewed from here (click on the link).
<snip>
There does not seem to be a link to view the CVS history.
It would be very helpful if there was a web front end to view the
CVS logs.
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-shiva
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> CVS logs.
It would be very helpful if you clicked on the link "CVS Repository" :)
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Kim wrote:
> Hello, docs project folks.
Hi, Kim.
> This is kim manton (antwerp@time.cdrom.com), secret invisible docs
> project lurker/groupie since 386BSD->present.
Rather describes my role after writing the Printing chapter of the
handbook. :-)
Anyway, welcome aboard! I look forward to seeing new materials for
FreeBSD!
Take care.
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>Number: 8559
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: Update to open(2) man page to reflect ENXIO behavior with fifos
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--- open.2.orig Tue Nov 3 13:40:29 1998
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@@ -213,6 +213,10 @@
The named file is a character special or block
special file, and the device associated with this special file
does not exist.
+.It Bq Er ENXIO
+The named file is a fifo, no process has
+this fifo open for reading, and the arguments specify it is
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----- Forwarded message from Daniel Haischt <danielh@privat.toplink.de> -----
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:23:54 +0100
From: Daniel Haischt <danielh@privat.toplink.de>
To: wosch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: FreeBSD WebPage
Hello
I'm working at a WebDesign studio which is developing huge web sites for
companys like Porsche Microsoft Hewlett Packard etc.
I'm running FreeBSD now for about a year (including a web-, pop-, irc-,
and ftp server.
I'm completly satisfied with the stability of FreeBSD and so I want to
give something in return to the whole FreeBSd community.
Regarding to your new web site's Look & Feel you may need some help for
your site.
Whenever you need some help, (maybe you want to realize some other web
related projects in the near future), feel free to contact me.
Best Regards
Daniel Haischt
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According to Peter Bagnato:
> Does FreeBSD support the FAT32 file system?
This question should have been sent to questions@FreeBSD.ORG, as this is
a mailinglist for discussing documentation issues.
To answer your question (which is probably in the FAQ. Read that first
next time): Yes, FreeBSD supports FAT32, FAT, and VFAT.
/Mikael
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Mikael Karpberg wrote:
>
> According to Peter Bagnato:
> > Does FreeBSD support the FAT32 file system?
>
> This question should have been sent to questions@FreeBSD.ORG, as this is
> a mailinglist for discussing documentation issues.
>
> To answer your question (which is probably in the FAQ. Read that first
> next time): Yes, FreeBSD supports FAT32, FAT, and VFAT.
>
> /Mikael
I didn't find it in the FAQ. I proposed a solution sometime ago, notify
me if it's not the place to add something to the FAQ:
---------
Q: Can FreeBSD read FAT32 partitions?
A: Yes it can, the 2.2.7 and 3.x versions of the FreeBSD Operating
System support it.
Assuming that wd0s1 is your first FAT32 partition, you can execute the
mount command has root:
"# mkdir /dos"
"# chmod 770 /dos"
"# mount -v -t msdos /dev/wd0s1 /dos"
or read only:
"# mount -rv -t msdos /dev/wd0s1 /dos"
or add it in the /etc/fstab file:
"/dev/wd0s1 /dos msdos rw 0
0"
or read only:
"/dev/wd0s1 /dos msdos ro
0 0"
WARNING: this text may have some error in it.
---------
Cya
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I fix it yesterday.
Wolfram
On 1998-11-04 05:41:06 +0900, Seung-young Kim wrote:
> I think there is a mistake at the page support.html.
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On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 11:20:10PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> Comments appreciated. This is a first draft.
A <title> tag would make it more Netscape bookmark-friendly. :)
-d
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Dear sir...
Whow I can add fvmw95 to my Xwindows and to make it activeble
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Folks,
DocBook conversion continues apace. The handbook is now split into chunks,
and is now at the same level (in terms of content) as the original
LinuxDoc handbook was back when I started this (1st April this year, for
what it's worth).
Known problems;
- The stylesheet ignores the remap attribute when rendering <xrefs>
so most of the internal links look wrong.
- The build process isn't particularly elegant.
- Content from the current Handbook needs merging in.
- Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted.
- None of the other formats are generated yet.
I'm working on these -- more news soon.
Still, here's something for you all to look at
<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html>
That includes a CSS stylesheet that I've whipped together.
If anyone knows CSS, perhaps they could tell me why, in pages such as
slipc.html, everything after the second heading is indented too far to
the left? Or is it just my browser (Netscape 4.04)?
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Did someone tried this tool? Any good experiences?
http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/SWISH-E/
SWISH-Enhanced is a fast, powerful, flexible, and easy to use system
for indexing collections of Web pages or other text files. Key
features include the ability to limit searches to certain HTML tags
(META, TITLE, comments, etc.). The SWISH-E software is free, and we
include a package of Perl programs that enable anyone who is
authorized to create and maintain their own indexes
(AutoSwish). SWISH-E is an enhanced version of SWISH, which was
originally written by Kevin Hughes and modified and released with his
permission.
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On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 11:39:56PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> Known problems;
>
> - The stylesheet ignores the remap attribute when rendering <xrefs>
> so most of the internal links look wrong.
Fixed. Instead of using <xref linkend="target" remap="foo">, use
<link linkend="target">foo</link>
> - The build process isn't particularly elegant.
Still true.
> - Content from the current Handbook needs merging in.
Still true.
> - Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted.
Not automated, but
<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html>
is a copy of the Handbook with them converted (I think I've got all of
them).
> - None of the other formats are generated yet.
Still true.
Of the URL above;
> That includes a CSS stylesheet that I've whipped together.
>
> If anyone knows CSS, perhaps they could tell me why, in pages such as
> slipc.html, everything after the second heading is indented too far to
> the left? Or is it just my browser (Netscape 4.04)?
Well, it's not my browser, since Navigator 4.05 for Solaris does the same
thing. Any CSS gurus in the house?
N
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On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 09:40:11PM +0100, Wolfram Schneider wrote:
> Did someone tried this tool? Any good experiences?
>
> http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/SWISH-E/
Yes, a few years ago. I may even have some Perl CGI glue to parse the output
and turn it into HTML if you want.
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i was wondering if you can help me. i downloaded the freebsd disk
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Folks,
Has anyone else (particularly any of the translation teams) had a look at
OpenTag, <URL:http://www.opentag.org/>?
I think this might make the job of the translation teams easier, but I'm
not convinced.
N
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Hi,
my question is not tightly related to FreeBSD but to documentation.
I certainly do know about attempts to make standard for unix programming
(POSIX, SUS etc.) but these documents tell what unix SHOULD look like
(...) and do not tell what existing systems REALLY look like.
Is there any document which sumarizes some widely implemented subset of
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(...)". Is there any such document?
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On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 11:15:29PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > - Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted.
>
> Not automated, but
>
> <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html>
>
> is a copy of the Handbook with them converted (I think I've got all of
> them).
http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/skey.html
shows … as text.
I don't know if this is considered as part of the above statement, but it
should be fixed at some point.
Eivind.
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Hi guys,
slight request/suggestion to the frontpage/homepage maintainers:
How about adding a banner that links the three *BSD sites ?
This might also require asking OpenBSd and NetBSD offcourse, but it would
make for a handy fast linkage of the *BSD effort...
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On 03-Nov-98 Leon Brooks wrote:
> Who draws this little critter? Is it possible to get one drawn of him
> playing ice-hockey?
Kevin Mc*something unpronouncable* see http://www.daemonnews.org for an
article on the Daemon.
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On 05-Nov-98 Starborn56@aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I was wondering if your site, projects needed betatest. I have tested
> from Dec 97.
Tested FreeBSD?
> I have many hours a day online testing.
Uh huh, hope ye realised that about 80% (or something like that JKH is bound
to know the exact figures ;) of the FreeBSD project is *free/volunteer* work.
Always glad for more testers =)
> I also see a vacancy for 1 or more positions in the company. I can
> handle
> on line help, public relations, and testing your software, drivers.
Eh? Vacancy? *wonders*
> Email me back if you are interested for more info.
*G* What were ye aiming at? =)
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Hi,
Whoaha, that document is outdated =)
No mentions of JDK on the page and I bet more languages could be mentioned on
it too...
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In article <XFMail.981106143051.asmodai@wxs.nl>,
Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> wrote:
>How about adding a banner that links the three *BSD sites ?
"The BSD Webring?"
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Hi,
I learned from your Documentation Current Projects page that you are going to be
providing the documentation in SGML in future. Are you also planning to convert
the manpages? I'm working on a project that will deliver a very large set of
manpages, including some from the FreeBSD 2.2.7 release. Our home-grown
manpages are marked up in SGML. It would be great if I had everything in the
same format!
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A) this belongs on freebsd-questions.
B) when you send your question to that list, keep in mind that it's
impossible to answer this question without knowing more about your
specific goals.
Good luck,
Doug
Martin Horcicka wrote:
>
> Hi,
> my question is not tightly related to FreeBSD but to documentation.
> I certainly do know about attempts to make standard for unix programming
> (POSIX, SUS etc.) but these documents tell what unix SHOULD look like
> (...) and do not tell what existing systems REALLY look like.
> Is there any document which sumarizes some widely implemented subset of
> unix features? I think we all need something that tells us "If you use
> function blabla you will successfully compile it (and it will behave
> correctly) on the following systems (...) since their following versions
> (...)". Is there any such document?
>
> Martin
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The logos at the bottom of the main page make the page too wide for
640x480 (or even for higher resolutions - I'm one of those old-
fashioned people who like their browsers in A4 format, which is
roughly 650x750 on a 1024x768 display). Could they be split into two
lines, with the "powered by" logos on top and the three others below?
Also, the FreeBSD Mall logo doesn't look good in such a small size.
The contrast is too low, so the word "MALL" is hard to read and the
daemon is nearly invisible against the red background; and the grey
background doesn't look good against the white background of the page
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On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Wolfram Schneider wrote:
> If I search in the web pages (web, handbook, FAQ)
> I get a list of filenames, e..g:
I have a re-write of the cgi that I need to bring over that fixes
all these problems, and has some other features as well. I'll
see about dusting it off and making it work on...I guess it is
still hub that is doing the mailing lists? I know that is where
the indexing takes place because I get the output of the indexing
cron job once a week....
-john
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On 06-Nov-98 Peter da Silva wrote:
> In article <XFMail.981106143051.asmodai@wxs.nl>,
> Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> wrote:
>>How about adding a banner that links the three *BSD sites ?
>
> "The BSD Webring?"
Sounds cool...
Link to BSDi, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and get the others to use the same
gif/jpeg etc...
btw, www.bsd.org is also registered...
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Can any of you doc wizards tell me why the An and Aq macros (used for
authors' names and email addresses in man pages) appear to behave
nondeterministically? Take a look at fetch(3) on FreeBSD-CURRENT;
sometimes a line break is inserted between the name and email address,
and sometimes not. The result is grueling, to say the least.
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OK, you know how it is.
This was going to be a small, simple tutorial on how to use DocBook with
the Documentation Project, and how the Handbook is built.
It's grown a bit :-)
It's now what I'm calling "The FreeBSD Documentation Project Primer for
Contributors". The idea is that someone comes along to the -doc mailing
list and says "Hi, I'd like to contribute, what can I do?".
We say "Please go and read *this* (or at least, skip those bits you're
comfortable with, read those bits that are new to you). This'll bring you
up to speed on what the Project is, how it works, what we use, enough
SGML to get you started, and information on how the Handbook, FAQ, and
web site are put together. Then go to the Doc. Proj. projects page on
the web site and pick something you like the look of. OK?"
As ever, I need criticisms and contributors.
- I think the SGML Primer is pretty much complete. Could people please
read through it and let me know if it's confusing or if the
information should be reordered or augmented.
- The Tools section needs fleshing out.
- The SGML Markup section needs fleshing out. HTML is completely empty;
I can fill that in later myself, or someone else can do it (please!)
DocBook is a little disorganised, since I haven't done anything
with it since I changed the direction of this tutorial. I'll sort
that out soon.
LinuxDoc is empty, and will stay that way unless someone writes
something to go in there. I know next to nothing about the DTD.
- The FAQ should cover how the FAQ is made, what files make it up, and
so on. If the FAQmeister could step up to the plate on this one. . .
(or anyone else for that matter).
- The Handbook section -- I've got most of the text for this,
unfortunately it's mixed in with the DocBook section. I'll split it out
later.
- The Website. As with the FAQ. At least here I already know how the
website is put together, and could write this myself if no one wants
to.
- Writing style is my own list of do's and don'ts. Please feel free to
suggest more.
- Ditto to "Using sgml-mode with Emacs".
- See also will be pointers to other references. It's pretty empty at
the moment.
It's at <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html> (or will be
within a few minutes of this message hitting the lists).
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To: Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>,
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On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 02:10:37PM +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 11:15:29PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > > - Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted.
> >
> > Not automated, but
> >
> > <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html>
> >
> > is a copy of the Handbook with them converted (I think I've got all of
> > them).
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/skey.html
>
> shows … as text.
Damn. Noted and fixed in the next version. Anyone seen any others?
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[ multi-posted, because of x-post limits, to -hackers, -advocacy, -newbies,
and -doc.
-hackers, because we might have some hackers who know TeX, but wouldn't
think of reading -doc because they don't think they can write.
-advocacy, for similar reasons
-newbies, for similar reasons (some of the folks in there are new to
FreeBSD, but not knew to Unix and/or Unix apps)
-doc, because it's Doc. Proj. related.
Also posted to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc.
Reply-To set back to me, nik@freebsd.org ]
Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you.
The Handbook has been converted to DocBook. This process is (bar some
merging from current content) complete. One of the last hurdles is getting
PostScript and PDF versions of the Handbook generated. When that's done,
we can retire the LinuxDoc version (and start working on the FAQ, and
other tutorials).
I don't know TeX, and I don't have reference materials handy. There's
also a bunch of other Doc. Proj. related stuff that I can do to help
bring others up to speed. So I need your help.
Briefly, this is how the Handbook is now arranged;
* The DocBook Handbook is in the doc/en/handbook subdirectory of the
CVS tree. There's a Makefile in there, which should work, as long
as you've installed ports/textproc/docproj -- this is a meta-port
which will pull in all the others.
* The Handbook is processed by an application called Jade. Jade produces
a .tex file.
* This .tex file then needs to be used, in conjunction with some macros,
called JadeTeX, to produce a DVI file. The JadeTeX macros also have a
PDF variant. JadeTex needs teTeX v0.9.
In theory, that's all the pieces that are needed.
I can sort of get things to work. But there are problems, and I don't
know how to fix them.
This where I've got to so far;
* Download and install textproc/docproj from the ports system. This will
give you Jade, the DTDs for the Doc. Proj. (don't worry, you don't
need to know what they are) and supporting applications.
* Download and install print/teTeX-beta from the ports system (you want
a version which identifies itself as 0.9-YYMMDD). It's large, ~30MB of
required distfiles.
* Configure TeX with /usr/local/bin/texconfig.
- Rebuild the ls-R database
- Change the hyphenation table. Uncomment the British entry (and keep a
stiff upper lip as you do so).
- Set an xdvi default papertype
- Set a dvips default papertype
- In the fonts menu, add global write permissions
* Fetch the JadeTeX macro package from a CTAN repository, such as
<URL:http://tug.org/applications/jadetex/>
You want the contents of that directory and all the subdirectories,
so somewhere that supports on the fly tarring of directories is
useful. The RCS string in jadetex.dtx should be 2.3 or higher.
* Install it. It comes with a Makefile, but it's got problems;
1. The line
tex -ini "&hugelatex" jadetex.ini
doesn't work, there is no &hugelatex. I used &latex.
2. It references dsssl.def and isoents.tex. I don't know where
they come from.
3. Building pdfjadetex doesn't work, due to problems with
hyperref.
Ignoring those problems, I can get it to install using the Makefile.
* Checkout a copy of /doc/en/handbook/ from the CVS repository. You'll
also need /doc/en/sgml checked out (and in the same relative
position in the filesystem).
Run
make handbook.tex
and wait for it to generate a ~5MB .tex file.
If the "handbook.tex" target doesn't exist, it means I haven't
committed the Makefile yet. Instead, you can run the following
/usr/local/bin/jade -c ../../sgml/catalog \
-c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog \
-c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/3.0/catalog \
-c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog \
-d /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl \
-t tex handbook.sgml
* Bump up your TeX limits, since the Handbook's size pushes TeX fairly
hard. In particular, you want these settings
hash_extra = 60000
pool_size = 1000000
max_strings = 70000
in /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf (adjust the path
depending on your $PREFIX setting).
* Run
tex "&jadetex" handbook.tex
You will see errors go by, but it will eventually generate
handbook.dvi. The generated file has some problems, in particular,
most of the ISO entities (>, ö, and so on) are still in
that form, and haven't been translated. Also, the table of contents
doesn't have the page numbers correct.
You should also be able to do
tex "&pdfjadetex" handbook.tex
to get the PDF version. I can't do this because of the hyperref
problems I outline above.
If you can get this working, *and* come up with a jadetex port, I'll be
very grateful.
If you can get this working, and can give me detailed instructions so that
I can write a jadetex port, I'll still be pretty grateful :-)
Many thanks to anyone who can help with this.
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On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 04:32:23PM +0100, Christine McKinty - Sun Microsystems wrote:
> I learned from your Documentation Current Projects page that you are
> going to be providing the documentation in SGML in future. Are you
> also planning to convert the manpages?
Only in the sense that I've idly thought that it might be a project to
tackle in the medium future. I haven't got much beyond that stage though.
> I'm working on a project that will deliver a very large set of
> manpages, including some from the FreeBSD 2.2.7 release. Our home-grown
> manpages are marked up in SGML. It would be great if I had everything in the
> same format!
Would you be doing the conversion? We currently provide translations of
the manual pages into different languages, and we could treat this as
just another language (pretty much).
Would you be interested in co-ordinating this and keeping them up to
date?
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[ x-posted to hackers, where it started, and doc, where it should continue.
Reply-to set to doc]
On Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 11:59:10AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> Yes, well, technical docs of this nature are definitely a job which
> requires that someone actively keep it up to date or it becomes
> rapidly worthless.
I know nothing about it, but what are people's thoughts on using some
sort of 'literate' programming system (is that the right term?) in
FreeBSD. After a day spent playing with TeX, the Web2c system is
obviously the nearest example.
Or maybe there's a C equivalent to JavaDoc?
As I say, I know nothing about these things, I'm just throwing it out
as a discussion point.
> Nik Clayton has just taken over as the new
> Documentation Project Manager (yea Nik!) and perhaps this is something
> he'd be willing to give you some bootstrapping assistance with.
Certainly. Ask and ye shall receive and all that. The -doc mailing list
is the general place to ask these sorts of questions (as Jordan has
indicated).
Take a look at
<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html>
for my half-completed draft of a primer for contributors to the FreeBSD
documentation effort. I'm trying to get a critical mass of documents
together so that the learning curve is sufficiently shallow for most
people that they can just get stuck in documenting, rather than spending
time fighting with the toolchain.
> His
> early docs on coming to grips with SGML are already quite good and I
> imagine that the Docbook DTD could be used (or enhanced) to do
> programmer's API documentation just as well as the Handbook.
Absolutely. DocBook is designed for exactly that sort of technical
documentation. In fact, Someone on -doc recently made the suggestion
that we shift the manual pages from *roff format to DocBook. That's
possibly a touch too controversial at the moment, but might not be
beyond the bounds of possiblity for the medium term future.
In fact, it might be worth doing that within the Doc. Project, treating
them as another translation (similar to the Japanese translation) of
the manual pages?
See the (short) thread in -doc starting with a message from Christine
McKinty, <chrisb@odin.France.Sun.COM>, subject is
"FreeBSD manpages in SGML?", messageID is
<199811061532.QAA26783@odin.France.Sun.COM>.
> > depressing to joyfully congratulate myself for getting my first LKM
> > device driver to work, only to read five minutes later in Jordan's 3.0
> > announcement that LKM was dead.
>
> Sorry about that.. . Is it at least some consolation that what it's
> getting replaced with is a whole lot better? :)
It's also still useful. There are a lot of 2.2.x systems out there for
which it will be useful. And it can be added to a growing corpus of
sample documentation to point people to and say "Steal ideas from
this." :-)
> > Point me at what needs to be documented. I am only one person, but
>
> /usr/src/sys :-)
And pick a part of that, particularly if you're already familiar with it.
Better still, work out who's responsible for it (say, syscons, maintained
by Soren) and work with them. Ideally, you don't want them making large
changes without first working with you to make sure it stays documented.
This is one of my concerns with the Handbook at the moment. For example,
the section on how FreeBSD boots is getting more and more out of date
as -current progresses, and I don't know if anyone's stuck their hand
up to document it.
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Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Or maybe there's a C equivalent to JavaDoc?
I'm sure any halfway competent Perl hacker could write one in a few
hours. I've done similar stuff for a project I worked on this summer.
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Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote:
>
> Nik Clayton ?nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk? writes:
> ? Or maybe there's a C equivalent to JavaDoc?
>
> I'm sure any halfway competent Perl hacker could write one in a few
> hours. I've done similar stuff for a project I worked on this summer.
>
This problem can be very simple or very huge, depend from what you want
to receive.
for very simple friend of javadoc you can look at my sdoc.
http://cam.grad.kiev.ua/~rssh/sdoc/
Now I need *really* C++ documentation generator and think about
creating gcc backend.
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Dear FreeBSD Documentation Project..
Our project homepage for Korean documentation had been moved to
new sweet room (it's our official site)
So, can you adjust our project url at the page
'/docproj/translations.html' ?
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The FreeBSD Korean Documentation Project
Web: http://www.kr.freebsd.org/projects/doc-kr/
E-Mail: doc@kr.freebsd.org
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Currently we are still working handbook...it's half available.. :)..
Wait for us! immediately we go ...
Best Regards........from beautiful Korea...
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On Saturday, 7 November 1998 at 21:14:15 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
>
> Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you.
>
> The Handbook has been converted to DocBook. This process is (bar some
> merging from current content) complete. One of the last hurdles is getting
> PostScript and PDF versions of the Handbook generated. When that's done,
> we can retire the LinuxDoc version (and start working on the FAQ, and
> other tutorials).
I did some playing around with this a couple of years ago. At that
time, it was possible to convert the sgml stuff into either TeX or
*roff source. I tried both routes to PostScript, and found the
appearance of the *roff-derived version to be superior. There's
something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts
"look at me, I've been formatted with TeX".
In addition to that, I consider TeX to be a piece of *(&$*. This is
not lack of experience: I used TeX for years before being forcibly
converted to *roff. If there's any interest in going the *roff path,
count me in.
Greg
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> ... There's
> something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts
> "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX".
Funny, I'd say the same thing about documents coming out of *roff. But
with either system, it's possible, with enough work, to create output
that doesn't reveal its origins.
For example, many are surprised that the invoices I print for consulting
work come out of plain TeX. For a sample, see:
http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/sampleInvoice.ps
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On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 10:07:12AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Saturday, 7 November 1998 at 21:14:15 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you.
[...]
> I did some playing around with this a couple of years ago. At that
> time, it was possible to convert the sgml stuff into either TeX or
> *roff source. I tried both routes to PostScript, and found the
> appearance of the *roff-derived version to be superior. There's
> something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts
> "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX".
True enough. That could just be people using similar styles, fonts, and
so on. It gets pretty easy to spot web pages that have been processed
by Norm Walsh's DocBook HTML stylesheets as well :-)
> In addition to that, I consider TeX to be a piece of *(&$*. This is
> not lack of experience: I used TeX for years before being forcibly
> converted to *roff. If there's any interest in going the *roff path,
> count me in.
Chuck Robey's mailed me and expressed interest in doing this, but says
he won't be able to get to it for 45 days or so, because of real world
commitments. If you wanted to liase with him that would be great.
I think the most useful contribution would be a *roff backend for Jade,
because we then have something that's not tied to any one DTD. I have
no idea how difficult that would be to do, and involves C++ (you may
or may not consider that a plus). Failing that, anything that can
read DocBook and spit it *roff is good, and will be greeted with open
arms.
Can we go from *roff to PDF?
N
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On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 08:30:57AM +0900, Seung-young Kim wrote:
> Our project homepage for Korean documentation had been moved to
> new sweet room (it's our official site)
>
> So, can you adjust our project url at the page
> '/docproj/translations.html' ?
Done. The change should take effect within 24 hours.
Many thanks for maintaining these.
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On Saturday, 7 November 1998 at 17:20:20 -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
>> ... There's
>> something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts
>> "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX".
>
> Funny, I'd say the same thing about documents coming out of *roff.
Examples? I've been using *roff for a while now, and I still can't
recognize them. Of course, you can end up recognizing specific macro
sets, but that's not the same thing.
> But with either system, it's possible, with enough work, to create
> output that doesn't reveal its origins.
Agreed. But I've never seen anybody go to the trouble in TeX. To
quote "Porting UNIX Software":
More than anywhere else in porting, it is good for your state of
mind to steer clear of TeX internals. The assumptions on which the
syntax is based differ markedly from those of other programming
languages. For example, identifiers may not contain digits, and
spaces are required only when the meaning would otherwise be
ambiguous (to TeX, not to you), so the sequence fontsize300 is in
fact the identifier fontsize followed by the number 300. On the
other hand, it is almost impossible to find any good solid
information in the documentation, so you could spend hours trying to
solve a minor problem. I have been using TeX frequently for years,
and I still find it the most frustrating program I have ever
seen. [1]
[1] When I wrote this sentence, I wondered if I wasn't overstating
the case. Mike Loukides, the author of Programming with GNU
Software, reviewed the final draft and added a single word:
Amen.
> For example, many are surprised that the invoices I print for consulting
> work come out of plain TeX. For a sample, see:
>
> http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/sampleInvoice.ps
I'm not. I used to do that too, but I changed to *roff quite some
time after changing everything else.
Greg
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> The Handbook has been converted to DocBook.
And there was much rejoicing!
> * Download and install print/teTeX-beta from the ports system (you want
> a version which identifies itself as 0.9-YYMMDD). It's large, ~30MB of
> required distfiles.
What's the difference between teTeX and regular TeX? I've never heard
of teTeX until you mentioned it, and the ports description isn't
terribly helpful.
> * Install it. It comes with a Makefile, but it's got problems;
>
> 1. The line
>
> tex -ini "&hugelatex" jadetex.ini
>
> doesn't work, there is no &hugelatex. I used &latex.
That's probably someone's configuration for a latex with a larger "pool"
size. I haven't encountered problems with using the standard latex
(yet).
> 2. It references dsssl.def and isoents.tex. I don't know where
> they come from.
Those are built into jadetex.dtx; they're generated when you "make".
My hurdles are just getting the "make" to run cleanly. I've had to
fetch the latex AMS fonts package and the latex Graphics package so
far. And ulem.sty. And OT2enc.def, but renamed to ot2enc.def. And the
ec metafont package. And fancyhdr.sty. And yet more! Blech. (Maybe
all those are built into teTeX?)
Maybe a better place to get jadetex is from the CTAN's
/tex-archive/macros/jadetex directory, which includes a directory
"cooked" which seems to have all the stuff I'm missing.
Finally, it fails to build not finding a language.dat file for French.
Merde.
I think I'll throw in the towel for now and try again tomorrow with
teTeX. :-( Sometimes, I genuinely hate TeX.
--Sean
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