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Hi
http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/index.html
I have writed a FAQ for FreeBSD users. I never writed a copyright
notice.
Mine is like that:
**********
09/30/1998 - <<TIMESTAMP>>
http://lowrent.org/freebsd
Copyright &copy; 1998 Malartre, All rights reserved.
For personnal/individual use only.
Please simply ask my permission if you have a special request:
Malartre, "freebsd@lowrent.org"
or
Malartre, "malartre@aei.ca".

Of course, man pages are under their respective owner copyright.
**********
I would like to know
1) Are man page copyrighted?
2) Is it a good copyright notice?
3) Do I need such a copyright notice?
Thank you
-- 
[Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/]

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Miscellaneous

00.00 - What should I never do? 

$su -m
#rm -rf /

=)

---
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On Sun, Dec 06, 1998 at 03:38:04PM -0500, Malartre wrote:
> Hi
> http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/index.html
> I have writed a FAQ for FreeBSD users. I never writed a copyright
> notice.
> Mine is like that:
> **********
> 09/30/1998 - <<TIMESTAMP>>
> http://lowrent.org/freebsd
> Copyright &copy; 1998 Malartre, All rights reserved.
> For personnal/individual use only.
> Please simply ask my permission if you have a special request:
> Malartre, "freebsd@lowrent.org"
> or
> Malartre, "malartre@aei.ca".
> 
> Of course, man pages are under their respective owner copyright.
> **********
> I would like to know
> 1) Are man page copyrighted?

Yes.   They're generally under a FreeBSD style copyright.

> 2) Is it a good copyright notice?

Not really, no.  It doesn't answer whether I can use it (read it) when
working with my company stuff, for instance.

FreeBSD generally tries very hard to be commercial use friendly - look
at any of the source files that are not in gnu/ for our preferred
copyright style (minus the advertisement clause that you find in some
of these).

A very good example is at
http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html - see the parent
(http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/) for more details etc.

> 3) Do I need such a copyright notice?

You should have _some_ sort of copyright/license statement, to let
people know what they are allowed to do.

Eivind.

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>Number:         8991
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Addition for Y2Kbug page
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
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>Submitter-Id:   current-users
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>Last-Modified:
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>Environment:

	

>Description:

	Bug report gnu/8321 contains a Y2K correction. This patch
	updates the web page with this information.

>How-To-Repeat:

	

>Fix:
	
--- www/en/y2kbug.sgml.orig	Fri Oct  9 23:20:40 1998
+++ www/en/y2kbug.sgml	Sun Dec  6 22:07:10 1998
@@ -98,7 +98,7 @@
 	1YYMMDD.</dd>
 
       <dt><a
-	  href="http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=4930">gnu/4930</a></dt>
+	  href="http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=4930">gnu/4930</a> (Corrected <a href="http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=8321">gnu/8321</a>)</dt>
       <dd>groff tmac macros have hardcoded 19 for generating some dates.</dd>
     </dl>
     
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Synopsis: Addition for Y2Kbug page

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State-Changed-Why: 
Fixed in rev 1.11 of "www/en/y2kbug.sgml", thanks!

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>Number:         8992
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Typo or misplacement of pam manual pages
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
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>Originator:     Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
>Organization:
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>Release:        FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386
>Environment:

FreeBSD chronias.ninth-circle.org 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #17: Sat Dec 
5 13:51:21 CET 1998     asmodai@chronias.ninth-
circle.org:/work/cvs/src/sys/compile/CHRONIAS  i386

>Description:

        man pam.d gives pam(8) while it is placed in /usr/share/man/man5
        The same goes for pam.conf.

>How-To-Repeat:

        man pam.d or man pam.conf

>Fix:
        
        Don't know if this was intentional, but all three files are the same
        size and have the same contents. Mayhaps the commiter might want to
        look into it.

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Synopsis: Typo or misplacement of pam manual pages

State-Changed-From-To: open-closed
State-Changed-By: jkoshy
State-Changed-When: Sun Dec 6 23:00:06 PST 1998
State-Changed-Why: 
This is intentional, a look at "src/lib/libpam/libpam/Makefile" shows:
...
MAN8+=          pam.8
MLINKS+=        pam.8 pam.conf.5 pam.8 pam.d.5
...

so "pam.conf.5" and "pam.d.5" are both links to "pam.8".

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Hello!

Yesterday i'm upgrading 2.2.7-RELEASE to 2.2.8-RELEASE via
/stand/sysinstall, (FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i get from ftp.freebsd.org at
4-5 Nov, and install from local ftp-server) and some bug's(?) are
detected:

1. Sysctl:

$> pwd 
/usr/sbin
$>ls -ls sysctl
0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 30 Dec 6 19:28 sysctl228 ->
/R/stage/trees/bin/sbin/sysctl       

instead
0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  bin  12 Dec  6 15:40 sysctl -> /sbin/sysctl, right?

i'm manully create right symlink.

2.Language of FAQ.

After upgrading /usr/share/doc/FAQ/*.*  change languafe from English to
Espanol (Spain):


FAQ.html:

Frequently Asked Questions para FreeBSD 2.X            
Proyecto de documentacion de FreeBSD                                     
$Date: 1998/11/26 22:33:32 $                                          
     _________________________________________________________________   
Esta es la FAQ para sistemas FreeBSD version 2.X Todas las secciones  

FAQ.latin1:

Frequently Asked Questions para FreeBSD 2.X
Proyecto de documentacion de FreeBSD    
$Date: 1998/11/26 22:33:32 $        

What can i do for back change language of FAQ?

[sorry my english]


Thank you.

Good Luck!


---
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>Number:         8994
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Some bugs after upgrade 2.2.7-RELEASE to 2.2.8-RELEASE
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
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>Release:        2.2.8-RELEASE
>Environment:
FreeBSD *****.****.*** 2.2.8-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE #0: 
Sun Dec  6 15:38:11 ES 1998
*****@*****.****.***:/usr/src/sys/compile/***** i386
>Description:
Yesterday i'm upgrading 2.2.7-RELEASE to 2.2.8-RELEASE via
/stand/sysinstall, (FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i get from ftp.freebsd.org at 4-5 Nov, and install from local ftp-server) and some bug's(?) are detected:                                                           

Language of FAQ.                                                      
After upgrading /usr/share/doc/FAQ/*.*  change languafe from English to Espanol (Spain):
                                                        
FAQ.html:                                                               
                                                                        
Frequently Asked Questions para FreeBSD 2.X                             
Proyecto de documentacion de FreeBSD                                    
$Date: 1998/11/26 22:33:32 $                                            
_________________________________________________________________  
Esta es la FAQ para sistemas FreeBSD version 2.X Todas las secciones    

FAQ.latin1:

Frequently Asked Questions para FreeBSD 2.X                             
Proyecto de documentacion de FreeBSD                                    
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To: Pavel Stepchenko <pavel@gsn.kurgan.ru>
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Subject: Re: Some bugs after upgrade 2.2.7-RELEASE to 2.2.8-RELEASE 
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> Yesterday i'm upgrading 2.2.7-RELEASE to 2.2.8-RELEASE via
> /stand/sysinstall, (FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i get from ftp.freebsd.org at

Hmmmm.  /stand/sysinstall would be the old 2.2.7 version you're
talking about?  It's generally better to do your upgrades from the
installation floppy of the version you're trying to upgrade to since
otherwise you're using the older upgrade tool bits to upgrade with and
won't get the benefit of any fixes we've made to the upgrade process.

For a system properly upgraded from the boot floppy, I can't see how
the bug you list with sysctl can happen.

> 2.Language of FAQ.

Unfortunately, that's a known bug.  Not much I can do about it
now though. :(

- Jordan

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Hi,

If no one has volunteered yet, then I'll volunteer for this project.
Let me know if someone is working on it or not, and if available,
give me as much details as poss, and I'll start ASAP.

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I have some related stuff that might help if you're interested.
You can also find the list of wants/needs that Wolfram Schneider
put out here:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=76128+79859+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-ports/19981018.freebsd-ports

-steve

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# 
# If no one has volunteered yet, then I'll volunteer for this project.
# Let me know if someone is working on it or not, and if available,
# give me as much details as poss, and I'll start ASAP.
#
# Gary


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A petition has recently been launched asking the General Services 
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December 7, 1998



StockNetworking News No. 10  (SNN)

NEW PROFILE:

COMGEN CORPORATION

Symbol:  CGEE

Trades:  OTC  -  BB

Closing price Friday Dec 4: $ 5.50

Phone:  1-877-608-1611



SNN has a new Profile for our subscribers to review and 
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We feel this company has a strong business plan in the 
environmental technology business.

THE BUSINESS:

COMGEN has developed a highly efficient process for 
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The principals of the company have refined this technology
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BUSINESS STRATEGY:

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Their purpose in going public now is to raise capital, which will
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Messrs. Rzazewski and Jefferies have been involved in the 
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They have not touched the environmentally sensitive markets 
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There are other opportunities that are being developed in 
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On Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 12:32:49PM -0600, Steve Price wrote:
> I have some related stuff that might help if you're interested.
> You can also find the list of wants/needs that Wolfram Schneider
> put out here:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=76128+79859+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-ports/19981018.freebsd-ports
> 
> -steve
> 
> On 7 Dec 1998, Gary Howland wrote:
> 
> # If no one has volunteered yet, then I'll volunteer for this project.
> # Let me know if someone is working on it or not, and if available,
> # give me as much details as poss, and I'll start ASAP.

I started working on this, and wrote some code which I mailed to Wolfram
and Satoshi -- I appear to have lost it, so I've cc'd them on this message
in the hope that's they hung on to it.

Basically, it implemented two objects. FreeBSD::Port was an individual
port. You created it calling the new() method, passing it one line from
the ports INDEX file. The object read this in and set its internal state.
It then provided methods to get this info back. There were also two methods
that returned a multi-line string of information, one as text, the other
as HTML.

The second object was tied hash. You passed it the filename to the INDEX
file and it went and created all the ::Port objects as necessary. The hash
key was the name of the port.

So you'd write code like

    use FreeBSD::PortsIndex;

    my(%i, $i);
    tie %i, FreeBSD::PortsIndex, "/usr/ports/INDEX";
    $i = tied(%i);

    # Get information about a port
    print $i{"foo-1.1"}->maintainer(), "\n";

    # Set information about a port
    $i{"foo-1.1"}->maintainer("foo@bar.org");

    # Dump all information about a port
    print $i{"foo-1.1"}->as_text();

    # Turn the port's information back into an INDEX line
    print $i{"foo-1.1"}->as_index();

    # Create a new INDEX file that contains the changed information
    open(F, "/tmp/INDEX") or die "Can't open /tmp/INDEX";
    print F $i->as_index();
    close(F);

Because FreeBSD::PortsIndex was a tied hash, you could use the normal Perl
operators (sort(), keys(), each(), etc) to iterate over it.

That's as far as I got. I didn't re-write any existing programs to use
these new objects.

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Hi Jim,

[ I hope you don't mind, but I'm cc'ing this to the -doc mailing list. 
  This is one my messages that I want to end up in the archives ]

Sorry it's taken a few days for me to get back to you. I've been up to my
neck in converting the Handbook from LinuxDoc to DocBook, which is almost
complete.

Right,

On Thu, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:26:50PM -0700, Jim Turk wrote:
> I would like to contribute to the FreeBSD documentation project.  

That's great.

> I have over fifteen years of software development experience with a number
> of different languages, operating systems, frameworks, and databases.  I am
> familiar with HTML, LaTeX, and DocBook.  I have subscribed to the 
> documentation project mailing list.

Sounds fantastic. Subscribing to the mailing list was a good first step,
since that's where most announcements of things to do will happen.

Do you know how to use CVSup to keep your system up to date? In 
particular, do you know how to keep an up to date copy of the documentation
repository? You'll probably need to be able to do that. 

Your DocBook experience is particularly handy. If you can, please take a
look at doc/en/handbook/* in the CVS repository and let me know what you
think. I'm shortly going to be committing some changes so that this can
be used to generate PDF, RTF, PS, DVI, plain text, and HTML formats,
and the more people that can test this out the better.

> Please get me up to speed on your projects and let me know what needs to be
> done.  

The current projects list is at 

    <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/current.html>

Of those "Migrating the Handbook from LinuxDoc to DocBook" is almost 
complete, and I'll be finishing that over the next fortnight. Volunteers
will be needed soon, mostly to download it and try and convert it to the
formats listed above, and confirm that it does all work.

I'm also working on the "This is how the Handbook is made" bit, although
this is turning more into a primer on how to work with the Doc. Proj. You
can find this at

    <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html>

which is my current draft, and changes almost daily. Comments gratefully
received.

I'm also looking at "Rewrite the Handbook". If you look at

    <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/hb/>

you'll see some of my comments relating to this (comments.txt) and my
proposed new layout for the Handbook (new-layout.txt). This is part of
a discussion that took place on -doc a few weeks back. I can forward you
the discussion if you'd like so you can see what happened. When I've 
finished the DocBook conversion this is going to be my next big project
I think. Any comments you may have about my proposed new structure would
be very useful.

As you can see, we also need papers, tutorials, and sections in the 
Handbook (although for the latter I'd ask that people hold off for two
weeks so I can finish the DocBook conversion).

If you've had to do anything under FreeBSD that was difficult, badly 
documented, or non-intuitive, please feel free to provide documentation

> Also, provide information about policies, procedures, etc.

<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/submitting.html> explains how to
submit documentation. 

In generaly, if you've got new documentation to submit (or changes to
existing documentation) send it in with send-pr and it'll get committed
shortly (assuming there are no problems with this).

Do this a few times with no problems, and you'll almost certainly get asked
to become a committer, so you can commit your own changes. Note though
that committers are still encouraged to post their changes to the -doc
mailing list for review first.

Finally, two more things you might be interested in -- Wolfram Schneider
is the FreeBSD WebMaster, and you can always get in touch with him to see
if there's anything you can help with on the web side of things. His
e-mail address is wosch@freebsd.org. Also, have you seen DaemonNews? They're
at <URL:http://www.daemonnews.org/>. They're always on the lookout for
interesting BSD related articles, and I think they probably have one or
two permanent positions to fill as well.

Hope that's useful, and don't hesitate to get in touch. I'm happy to
get asked questions via the -doc mailing list -- traffic on that list is
quite light, and it helps get the answers out to a wider audience.

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hello,
I am compiling a database of OS's and I was wondering if anyone could
provide me with a list of version histories for the various BSDs that
exist (NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSd etc)
Any help is appreciated.
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You might find /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree useful.

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I have a Dell PC with an integrated network card to install.
It's an 3com 3c90x card, so I put the line "device vx0" as the only
network device in the configuration file.
After compiling the kernel I get the boot message "no driver assigned"
To be exactly the message is :
pci0:17 vendor=0x10b7, device=0x9055, class=network (ethernet)
int a irq11
[no driver assigned]

I downloaded 3com file 3c90xcfg.exe from the 3com website and this
diagnostic program comfirms Int 11 PCI and the normal working
of the 3com compatible? device.

Does any one know what's causing the "no driver assigned" ?

Andre



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On 1998-12-06 13:40:38 -0700, Jim Turk wrote:
> I would like to contribute to the FreeBSD documentation project.  Your
> e-mail address is listed under the Current Projects web page.  
>   
> I have over fifteen years of software development experience with a number
> of different languages, operating systems, frameworks, and databases.  My 
> current work experience includes CGI scripts on the intranet to report
> project status.
> 
> Please get me up to speed on your projects and let me know what needs to be
> done.  Also, provide information about policies, procedures, etc.

[cc: freebsd-doc]

Thanks for your offer!

I have a simple task on my TODO list:

We need a script which check if our web mirrors are up to date
and in sync with the main FreeBSD webserver www.freebsd.org


The list of official web mirror site is available
from the homepage http://www.freebsd.org 

http://www.freebsd.org/index.html
<OPTION VALUE="http://www.au.freebsd.org/">Australia/1</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="http://www2.au.freebsd.org/">Australia/2</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="http://www3.au.freebsd.org/">Australia/3</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="http://www.br.freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org/">Brazil/1</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="http://www2.br.freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org/">Brazil/2</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="http://www3.br.freebsd.org/">Brazil/3</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="http://www.bg.freebsd.org">Bulgaria</OPTION>
[...]


Now you can do a HEAD request for every mirror
and check if
	a) the server is up and running
	b) is up to date - field 'Last-Modified'
	c) the 'Content-Length' is correct

$ lynx -dump -head http://www.freebsd.org/
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:55:26 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.x (Unix)
Last-Modified: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:02:32 GMT
ETag: "ac907-2c14-36672698"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 11284
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

The FreeBSD homepage does not changed often. It should
be possible to check other pages than the hompage too, e.g.

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/
http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/
http://www.freebsd.org/ports/
http://www.freebsd.org/news/qnewsletter.html


The result should be a short message, e.g.

44 Mirrors, 40 up, 4 down
35 mirrors up to date, 3 mirrors are older than 2 weeks
[List of outdated mirrors ...]



We have a similar script for FTP Servers, see

http://www.itworks.com.au/~gavin/FBSDsites.php3
RELEASE/SNAP finder for FreeBSD FTP servers. A resource that would
allow anyone to find a FTP server that contains particular releases
and SNAP of FreeBSD. The database is updated daily at 3am Melbourne
time (10 hours ahead of GMT).


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On 08-Dec-98 Andre Rikkert de Koe wrote:
> Does any one know what's causing the "no driver assigned" ?

Please try the questions list for this type of questions.

And sorry, no clue...

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Synopsis: psif expands unexpected wildcard characters in some files.

State-Changed-From-To: open-closed
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State-Changed-Why: 
Updated in doc/handbook/printing.sgml, expamples/printing ifhp, and
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Thanks, now fixed!

Wolfram

On 1998-12-02 23:27:52 +0100, Stefan Storåkers wrote:
> The links to standard systems and custom system to Apache Digital 
> Corporation on your Vendor page ihas expired. 
> 
> "Apache Digital Corporation creates custom high-performance PC based 
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> It's an 3com 3c90x card, so I put the line "device vx0" as the only
> network device in the configuration file.
...
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> Does any one know what's causing the "no driver assigned" ?
> 
> Andre
> 

Since 2.2.7 3Com 3C90x cards are handled by the xl driver,
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Synopsis: as.1 SYNOPSIS contains minor typo (unbalanced brackets)

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Hello!
As far as I understood while reading handbook about porting new
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'Additional contributors list'. Several weeks ago my port
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the list...
Please answer whether I misunderstood handbook or not.

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On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Dima Sivachenko wrote:

> As far as I understood while reading handbook about porting new
> software, the person who submit new port will be added to the
> 'Additional contributors list'. Several weeks ago my port
> 'man2html' was added to FreeBSD ports collection, but I am not in
> the list...

What idiot imported that port without adding you?

1.1.1.1 (vendor branch) Sun Nov 22 22:33:31 1998 UTC by billf

Oops, that was me. I've added you in revision 1.262 of submitters.sgml, my
apologies.

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Bill Fumerola wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Dima Sivachenko wrote:
> > As far as I understood while reading handbook about porting new
> > software, the person who submit new port will be added to the
> > 'Additional contributors list'. ...
> ... I've added you in revision 1.262 of submitters.sgml, my
> apologies.

Given all the thousands of ports, does it really make sense to try to
give credit to every one of the myriad contributors?  (If so, then add
me in for my recent JadeTeX port submission ... there's already an
entity for me in authors.sgml.)

Oh, and when do we start updating /doc/en/handbook instead of the old
linuxdoc versions?

--Sean

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Synopsis: handbook's mailing list list is outdated

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These problems and a few others were fixed by jmb in revision 1.10.

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Synopsis: typo in objdump.1

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Synopsis: ch manpage update != chio.h

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This appears to have been fixed in -current.  I don't see a chio.h anymore
and there are no flags referenced in the manpage.

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Synopsis: ipf.5 contains typo ("whether on not" -> "whether or not")

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Synopsis: Typos in curs_addstr.3

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Patch committed to versions 1.2.2.1 and 1.3 of curs_addstr.3.  Thanks!

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Synopsis: Several inconsistencies in ipmon.8

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Patch applied to revision 1.4 of ipmon.8.  Thanks!

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Synopsis: an empty "BUGS" section can be seen in 'ipmon.8'

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Synopsis: strange direction in objcopy.1

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Synopsis: missing directive in objdump.1 ?

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Hello

It would be awesome if you on page
<http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook340.html#690> also pointed
out that the freebsd mirror was in the directory

     /afs/stacken.kth.se/ftp/pub/FreeBSD 

so the users is able to find them.

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Love
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Here is the result of the reseach:

The archives freebsd-newbies and freebsd-questions contain the following
items relevant to `"windows and nt"':

   1.Information on database: freebsd-newbies
     Score: 1000; Lines: 36; -12-1998; Archive: freebsd-newbies

   2.Information on database: freebsd-questions
     Score: 1000; Lines: 42; -12-1998; Archive: freebsd-questions

Didn't get what you expected? Look here for searching hints.

---------------------------

Afterwards, 1. and 2. are not accessible.
Why,

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Christian Toinard.


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Christian Toinard <toinard@cnam.fr> writes:

> Here is the result of the reseach:
> 
> The archives freebsd-newbies and freebsd-questions contain the following
> items relevant to `"windows and nt"':
> 
>    1.Information on database: freebsd-newbies
>      Score: 1000; Lines: 36; -12-1998; Archive: freebsd-newbies
> 
>    2.Information on database: freebsd-questions
>      Score: 1000; Lines: 42; -12-1998; Archive: freebsd-questions
> 
> Didn't get what you expected? Look here for searching hints.
> 
> ---------------------------
> 
> Afterwards, 1. and 2. are not accessible.
> Why,

nt stands for ``No, Thanks'' (or ``Next Time''). We don't index short
words like ``a'', ``me'', ``the''.

windows is a mistake, see ``man X'' for a list of correct names for
windowing system.

-- 
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>Number:         9040
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       update some links in www handbook
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Dec 10 08:50:00 PST 1998
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     ³Q§@·~À£Šºªº­W©RŸÇ¥Í
>Organization:
¥æ§@·~»°³q®d€jŸÇ
>Release:        FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386
>Environment:

FreeBSD Terry.Dorm10.NCTU.edu.tw 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Dec  1
18:00:57 CST 1998     root@Terry.Dorm10.NCTU.edu.tw:/usr/src/sys/compile/TERRY
i386

>Description:

handbook 17.3.3. is "How can I do E-Mail with a dialup PPP host?"
not "Advanced topics"

>How-To-Repeat:

http://www.freebsd.org/data/handbook/handbook265.html, Next:
http://www.freebsd.org/data/handbook/handbook267.html, Previous

>Fix:
	
change "Advanced topics" to "How can I do E-Mail with a dialup PPP host?"
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:

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>Number:         9041
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       update some links in www handbook
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Dec 10 09:10:00 PST 1998
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     ³Q§@·~À£Šºªº­W©RŸÇ¥Í
>Organization:
¥æ§@·~»°³q®d€jŸÇ
>Release:        FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386
>Environment:

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i386

>Description:

handbook 17.3.3. is "How can I do E-Mail with a dialup PPP host?"
not "Advanced topics"

>How-To-Repeat:

http://www.freebsd.org/data/handbook/handbook266.html
search "Advanced topics"

>Fix:
	
change "Advanced topics" to "How can I do E-Mail with a dialup PPP host?"
>Audit-Trail:
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>Number:         9043
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       2.2.8-RELEASE /usr/share/doc/FAQ is not in English (looks like Spanish).
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
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>Organization:
>Release:        2.2.8-RELEASE
>Environment:
Sorry, don't have my box on the net yet.  
It's a normal 2.2.8-RELEASE install as of about two days ago.
FTP'd the files from ftp6.freebsd.org
>Description:
All of the files in /usr/share/doc/FAQ are not in english.
It appears to be spanish.  I have downloaded the doc distribution
from both ftp6 and ftp and gotten the same results.

The handbook and other areas aren't affected.

The gzipped version of the FAQ available on the website is in
English.
>How-To-Repeat:
ftp to ftp.freebsd.org.
cd to the 2.2.8-RELEASE directory.
get doc.tar
extract it.
Look at the files in the FAQ directory.
>Fix:
Replace the 2.2.8-RELEASE doc/FAQ portion with the gzipped version?
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Synopsis: 2.2.8-RELEASE /usr/share/doc/FAQ is not in English (looks like Spanish).

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Responsible-Changed-Why: 
Nik has fixed the problem that was causing this.  Will assign this
to him as a reminder that this needs to be done if not already.

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>Number:         9045
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Man pages: chpass(1) and passwd(5) give a different format for the passwd file.
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:
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>Date-Required:
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>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Dec 10 12:20:01 PST 1998
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Philip Hallstrom
>Organization:
>Release:        2.2.8-RELEASE
>Environment:
Sorry, don't have my machine on the net, but I just installed 2.2.8-RELEASE
from ftp6.freebsd.org two days ago.
>Description:
The file format for the password file is different depending on which
man page you look at -- chpass(1) and passwd(5).  passwd lists the fields
as ...., class, change, expire, .... and chpass lists the fields as
...., change, expire, class, .....

I know that 2.2.8-RELEASE chpass lists it this way, and your man pages 
on the web site for 2.2.7-RELEASE list it this way as well.

At least this explains why I couldn't get login.conf to work :)

-philip

(I've submitted two minor doc bugs so far, but I want all of you people
to know that FreeBSD is freaking awesome!  I come from a Solaris background
and it's taking me a bit of getting used to, but I LOVE IT!)
>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:
Change the chpass(5) man page.
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On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 03:56:04PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
> Oh, and when do we start updating /doc/en/handbook instead of the old
> linuxdoc versions?

When I've finished.

FWIW I should (tomorrow) be announcing a freeze of doc/handbook with 
effect from 16th December. During the freeze I'll then merge in the
last round of changes.

I'm about to post a call for testers to confirm that the ports for the
Doc. Proj. all install properly and the Makefile correctly builds all 
the formats.

If all goes well, I expect to have cut over to doc/en/handbook by the
end of the year.

In the meantime, please don't commit to it, 'cos it makes my job merging
changes more difficult :-)

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Folks,

I've just committed (or am in the process of committing) the latest round 
of changes to the DocBook handbook, and would be grateful if a few other 
people could do some testing.

There are two things I'd like tested at the moment. First is the 
generation of HTML, RTF, and plain text formats. Second is the generation
of PostScript and PDF formats.

To start with;

   * Install ports/textproc/docproj

   * Download (use CVSup or similar) and checkout the latest version of 
     doc/en/handbook. This is the DocBook version of the Handbook.

To test the HTML generation

  There are a few things not in the docproj port that are required from
  the ports system. 
  
     * www/tidy
     * www/lynx

  They'll be added soon. In addition, you need to cut-n-paste the 
  following into doc/en/handbook/conv.pl

     #!/usr/local/bin/perl -pi
     s/&ldquo;/\`\`/g;
     s/&rdquo;/''/g;
     s/&mdash;/---/g;
     s/&ndash;/--/g;
     s/&hellip;/.../g;
     s/&dollar;/\$/g;

  (Yeah, I know this isn't seamless, I'll be tidying it up on Friday or
  Sunday night).

  Then convert the Handbook

     % cd doc/en/handbook
     % make

  Should leave you with a bunch of .html files. Load index.html into your
  browser and play around.

     % make FORMATS=html-chunk

  should make one big HTML file instead, probably ~1MB in size.

     % make FORMATS=ascii

  should make one big .txt file, and 1 big HTML file (the .txt file is
  generated from the HTML file). This depends on Lynx being installed.

     % make FORMATS=rtf

  should make one big .rtf file which you can load into your favourite
  RTF viewer (Word, Star Office, whatever).

  Any problems, please let me know.

To test PostScript and PDF generation

  Install the ports/print/jadetex port. THIS WILL INSTALL teTeX-beta if
  you haven't already got it. This is a ~ 30MB download, so you might
  not want to test this. If so, I understand. PS and PDF generation take
  a while. 

  If you have installed this port, you should be able to do

     % make FORMATS=ps

  to generate a large handbook.ps file and

     % make FORMATS=pdf

  to make a PDF file. Use Ghostview to view them (or Ghostview for the PS
  and Adobe Acroread for the PDF -- Ghostview will read both formats
  though).

  This will generate some errors from Jade about undefined variables with
  'jpja' in their names. You can safely ignore these for the time being.
  It will also create from LaTeX errors on some of the TeX passes. Again,
  you can ignore these.

If you are able to successfully generate these formats with these tools,
I'd very much like to know about it.

Thanks,

N
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On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 08:30:33PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> If you are able to successfully generate these formats with these tools,
> I'd very much like to know about it.

Damn, I knew I forgot something -- I know the print stylesheets render
some items in red. These are extra elements that the print stylesheet
doesn't know about. It's not a problem, I'm just trying to decide the
best way to fix it.

Cheers,

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Wolfram,

I think Marc has the right idea.  "checkbot" will do what you requested
with some modification to the report summary.  I will work on it this 
weekend.

Jim

On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Marc van Woerkom wrote:

> Hallo Wolfram!
> 
> > We need a script which check if our web mirrors are up to date
> > and in sync with the main FreeBSD webserver www.freebsd.org
> 
> That's a web 'spider' or 'robot'.
> 
> Maybe there's some software in the ports collection that can be 
> customized easily (like wget --spider ..)
> 
> Regards,
> Marc
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>Number:         9050
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       getloadavg(3) should add header file in synopsis
>Confidential:   yes
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Dec 10 21:00:01 PST 1998
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Chia-liang Kao
>Organization:
CirX
>Release:        FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386
>Environment:

FreeBSD genius.cirx.org 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Dec  7 12:16:11 CST 1998     clkao@genius.cirx.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENIUS  i386

>Description:

the getloadavg man page should contains the header files in the
synopsis, stdlib.h. (isn't it quite odd for getloadavg to be put in stdlib.h?)

>How-To-Repeat:

man getloadavg

>Fix:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:

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Hi.

I have recently installed FreeBSD 2.2.7 (I just read a post
mentioning 2.2.8, so I assume my system is already out dated :-).

Here we use NIS (YP) so I had the usual problem in getting the 
FreeBSD system to understand the passwords. Thanks to Dejanews
and Bill Paul (http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=354673363)
I found out that I needed to install libdes.so and libdescrypt.so.
They were already installed, so I just did the following:

# cd /usr/lib
# ls -l libcry*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  bin     11 Nov 20 12:32 libcrypt.a -> libscrypt.a
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  bin     16 Nov 20 12:32 libcrypt.so.2.0 -> libscrypt.so.2.0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  bin     13 Nov 20 12:33 libcrypt_p.a -> libscrypt_p.a

# rm libcrypt.a libcrypt.so.2.0 libcrypt_p.a
# ln -s libdescrypt.a libcrypt.a ; ln -s libdescrypt.so.2.0 libcrypt.so.2.0 ;
# ln -s libdescrypt_p.a libcrypt_p.a

# ls -l libcry*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  bin     13 Dec 11 02:20 libcrypt.a -> libdescrypt.a
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  bin     18 Dec 11 02:20 libcrypt.so.2.0 -> libdescrypt.so.2.0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  bin     15 Dec 11 02:20 libcrypt_p.a -> libdescrypt_p.a

It seems to be working well.

Now, this seems a FAQ (I have found 53 articles by Bill Paul
with NIS or YP on the subject since 1995, many of them about the
setup of NIS clients), but:

% cd /usr/share/doc/
% egrep '(NIS|YP | YP)' handbook/handbook* FAQ/FAQ*

Just matchs release notes and similar, not guides.

I suggest a question 8.22 could be added to the FAQ:

8.22 How do I make my FreeBSD system a NIS(YP) client ?

The answer could be something like:

1 - turn on NIS in /etc/rc.conf. Change the lines:
	nisdomainname="your_domain"
	nis_client_enable="YES"

2 - add a
	+:::::::::
    line to the passwd(5) file using vipw.
    Read the passwd(5) man page for details.

3 - explain the above bit about the DES libs.

-- 
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	Hello,
My name is Jason and I am trying to install Freebsd and have been for the past
three weeks.  I have finally gotten to the point where I need to connect to
the FTP site and install everything.  Well, I think that the documentation for
this OS is great; however, I find it very difficult to relate to and
understand.  It would also be helpful to have a listing of the minimal files
you will need to install and how big they are.  I am using a macintosh to d-
load most of everything I have now, but I don't know what I am going to need.
This would be great for people like me who are wanting to try  out FreeBSD for
the first time and have MINIMAL equipment. And I don't mean like a 486 intel
computer with a 400Mb HDD and a 28.8 connection; I'm talking about a
Macintosh, 14.4 connection using AOhell, a 486 computer without internet
connection, and 342Mb HHD space. Now if you can put a document out that
specifically instructs someone how to put the minimal OS on the 486 (without
using a CD-ROM....I don't have one) I will kiss your feet.

Thanks,
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Folks, this is a heads up message for the Documentation Project, x-posted
to -doc and -committers.

I intend to freeze the doc/handbook/ portion of the CVS repository[1] at
00:00 GMT on Wednesday 16th December. During the freeze, no new commits
should be made to doc/handbook/.

At the same time, no commits should be made to doc/en/handbook/ without
going through me first.

This should allow me to finish merging in changes from the LinuxDoc
version of the Handbook to the DocBook version (which is currently a bit
of a moving target). 

If you would like to test the current state of play as regards the
conversion of the Handbook to various formats (PS, PDF, HTML, RTF,
plain text) please see my message to -doc with the message ID

    19981210203033.34618@nothing-going-on.org

When the merge is complete I'll post a call for testers to confirm that
the DocBook version of the Handbook builds and installs correctly on their 
machines. After confirmations have come through I'll update doc/Makefile
to use doc/en/handbook to generate the Handbook. However, if you're
interested in testing this, let me know now and I'll make sure you get
e-mailed specifically when it's ready.

A few days after that, the LinuxDoc version can die (die! die! die! -- sorry,
got a trifle carried away there).

Now would also be a good time to consult

    <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html>

(and very shortly after this message is sent out you should be able
to replace index.html with one of book.html.gz, book.rtf.gz, book.pdf.gz, 
book.ps.gz, and book.txt.gz) which is a draft of a Doc. Proj. primer for 
committers and contributers. It's unfinished, but is hopefully sufficiently 
complete that existing contributers and committers will be able to use it 
to understand the new Handbook.

It also showcases what the output from the conversion process looks like
(including the rather spiffy PDF with embedded links). I'd do the same
for the Handbook (for those who just want to see it rather than build it)
but that'll have to wait until I buy a new hard disk tomorrow.

If you're a frequent Handbook contributor, now would also be a good time 
to take a poke through doc/en/handbook/ and familiarise yourself with
it.

N

[1] Or rather, John Polstra will freeze it for me. In theory, commits will
    actually be prevented from happening. I'd be grateful if no one 
    tried to test this however.
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Eivind Eklund wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Dec 06, 1998 at 03:38:04PM -0500, Malartre wrote:
> > Hi
> > http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/index.html
> > I have writed a FAQ for FreeBSD users. I never writed a copyright
> > notice.
> > Mine is like that:
> > **********
> > 09/30/1998 - <<TIMESTAMP>>
> > http://lowrent.org/freebsd
> > Copyright &copy; 1998 Malartre, All rights reserved.
> > For personnal/individual use only.
> > Please simply ask my permission if you have a special request:
> > Malartre, "freebsd@lowrent.org"
> > or
> > Malartre, "malartre@aei.ca".
> >
> > Of course, man pages are under their respective owner copyright.
> > **********
> > I would like to know
> > 1) Are man page copyrighted?
> 
> Yes.   They're generally under a FreeBSD style copyright.
> 
> > 2) Is it a good copyright notice?
> 
> Not really, no.  It doesn't answer whether I can use it (read it) when
> working with my company stuff, for instance.
> 
> FreeBSD generally tries very hard to be commercial use friendly - look
> at any of the source files that are not in gnu/ for our preferred
> copyright style (minus the advertisement clause that you find in some
> of these).
> 
> A very good example is at
> http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html - see the parent
> (http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/) for more details etc.
> 
> > 3) Do I need such a copyright notice?
> 
> You should have _some_ sort of copyright/license statement, to let
> people know what they are allowed to do.
> 
> Eivind.
Hi
I plan to release it under the BSD style copyright.
I did see http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html
but
1) where is the copyright of the handbook? The FreeBSD copyright say
"in source and binary forms". A tutorial is not (and cannot be) a binary
but is a text file.
2) What should I change in the BSD copyright to fit my need?
Would that be ok:
---------
Copyright (c) 1998 Malartre All rights reserved. 
malartre@aei.ca

Redistribution and use with or without modification, are permitted
provided that the following conditions are met: 

    1.Redistributions of <!?>source code</!?> must retain the above
copyright notice and this condition.
---------
Thank You
-- 
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On Fri, Dec 11, 1998 at 10:52:23PM -0500, Malartre wrote:
> I plan to release it under the BSD style copyright.
> I did see http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html
> but
> 1) where is the copyright of the handbook? The FreeBSD copyright say
> "in source and binary forms". A tutorial is not (and cannot be) a binary
> but is a text file.

This shouldn't matter.  The intent of the license is that 'binary'
means 'processed form', so if you e.g. store the tutorial with the
license as comments, they're not allowed to process and re-distribute
it without your license.

So I don't think you need to change it.

Eivind.

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  While your website seems very large and helpful, it doesn't answer the 
main question up front:  What is FreeBSD, and why is it called that?
  Further down, it mentions BSD without saying what that is, either. 

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On Sat, Dec 12, 1998 at 04:40:30PM -0500, Marshall Price wrote:
>   While your website seems very large and helpful, it doesn't answer the 
> main question up front:  What is FreeBSD, and why is it called that?
>   Further down, it mentions BSD without saying what that is, either. 

Thanks for taking the time to write to the documentation team.
Perhaps you could help us to understand your difficulty a bit
better so that we can look at addressing it.

On the main web page I see this as the first paragraph in lynx (after
all the menu items):

 What is FreeBSD?
   FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system for "PC-compatible"
   computers, developed and maintained by a large team of individuals.

I can't quite see where this is causing you trouble. Do you perhaps
need the terms "operating system" or "UNIX" or "PC-compatible" to be
explained to make sense of this paragraph?

As for a history of BSD UNIX, that is not the primary role of this site
but you will find more background in the FreeBSD Handbook which you
will find on the web site.


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>   While your website seems very large and helpful, it doesn't answer the
> main question up front:  What is FreeBSD, and why is it called that?

True, it doesn't say why it's called "FreeBSD", but it does say what it
is.  When I surf to

	http://www.freebsd.org/

I see the following in big red letters:

	What is FreeBSD?

followed by a paragraph:

	FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system
        for "PC-compatible" computers ...

which says that it's something for PC-style personal computers, and
specifically, it's an operating system of some sort.

I can see that people who don't know what "BSD" is in this context might
be confused.  I might reword this paragraph as follows:

	FreeBSD is a freely available advanced operating system
        for PC-compatible computers, providing a powerful
	Berkeley-style UNIX environment.

I've removed the reference to "a large team of individuals" since I
don't think it's important at this point.

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On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 08:30:33PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> To test PostScript and PDF generation
> 
>   Install the ports/print/jadetex port. THIS WILL INSTALL teTeX-beta if
>   you haven't already got it. This is a ~ 30MB download, so you might
>   not want to test this. If so, I understand. PS and PDF generation take
>   a while. 

I haven't been able to get teTeX-beta to compile. I thought I
might find someone with some insight on this here.

With -current from today (12/12/98), "make all" in teTeX-beta
ends with this:

cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. -I. -I/usr/local/include/w3c-libwww
-DHAVE_LIBWWW -DHAVE_WWWLIB_H -DPS_GS -I/usr/X11R6/include
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-DOmega -I.. -I./..  -O -pipe -c wwwfetch.c
./../klibtool link cc -o oxdvi.bin   xdvi.o dvi_draw.o dvi_init.o
events.o font_open.o gf.o pk.o psdps.o psgs.o psheader.o psnews.o
special.o util.o vf.o sfDir.o sfDraw.o sfPath.o sfSelFile.o
hypertex.o mime.o wwwfetch.o  -L/usr/local/lib -lwww
-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXext -lX11
../kpathsea/libkpathsea.la  -lm 
cc -o oxdvi.bin xdvi.o dvi_draw.o dvi_init.o events.o font_open.o
gf.o pk.o psdps.o psgs.o psheader.o psnews.o special.o util.o
vf.o sfDir.o sfDraw.o sfPath.o sfSelFile.o hypertex.o mime.o
wwwfetch.o -L/usr/local/lib -lwww -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXaw -lXmu
-lXt -lSM -lICE -lXext -lX11 ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a -lm
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_endAnchor'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_appendParagraph'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_appendLink'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_appendObject'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_appendText'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_endAppend'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_beginAnchor'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_beginAppend'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_setStyle'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_appendImage'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_appendCharacter'
/usr/local/lib/libwww.so: undefined reference to `HText_new2'
gmake[2]: *** [oxdvi.bin] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/print/teTeX-beta/work/teTeX-0.9/texk/oxdvik'
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/print/teTeX-beta/work/teTeX-0.9/texk'

libwww is libwww-5.2 from the ports. I have no idea how to fix
this.

Thanks for any help.

Greg

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On Sat, Dec 12, 1998 at 06:23:18PM -0500, Marshall Price wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Sue Blake wrote:
> >  What is FreeBSD?
> >    FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system for "PC-compatible"
> >    computers, developed and maintained by a large team of individuals.
> > 
> > I can't quite see where this is causing you trouble. Do you perhaps
> > need the terms "operating system" or "UNIX" or "PC-compatible" to be
> > explained to make sense of this paragraph?
> 
>   Yes, all three, and "BSD," too -- and in my case, I don't understand 
> what is (and what not) DOS on my computer.

Aah. We tend to assume that anyone wanting to use FreeBSD already
understands what an operating system is, that UNIX is one of many types
of operating system, and that BSD is one of the "flavours" of UNIX, and
that that's where FreeBSD fits in. So we start right off talking to
them on that level.

On the odd occasion, we get mail from people who were trying to see
FreeBSD as a win95 application, people who seem to have no idea that
there are computers running on anything other than Microsoft. Things
like "Why can't I run boot.flp in win95, do I have to upgrade to
win98?" They are new to computers, or their operating system has
shielded them from the nasty perils of learning anything. One wonders
how they ended up here, though.

> Besides, if using FreeBSD 
> means getting rid of DOS (?), the immediate question is whether I'd have 
> to wipe out everything and start over with a blank, empty computer.

Basically, yes and yes (but see below). Just for starters, different
operating systems partition and format their disks in quite different
ways. DOS is an operating system. I'm told it descended from something
called Quick and Dirty Operating System (QDOS) and has since had
several hand-holding shells added over the top of it, the last three
being GUI interfaces to DOS. Generally applications or programs that
were built for one operating system can't be run on another.

It is possible to run two operating systems on the same computer with a
little bit of trickery. The easiest way, for example, is to have a
separate hard disk for each and use special software to handle the
bootup and allow you to select which disk (only one) to use. And other,
more flexible variations on this too.

So we try to be honest and tell people it's possible to run Microsoft
and FreeBSD on the same computer, but when they have *no* basic computer
knowledge I suspect that lets them keep assuming that all computers are
like theirs and FreeBSD is a small microsoft-compatible application
like WinZip or Netscape.

>  (I was fortunate enough to find it in the trash, with Lotus Symphony
> on it, to which I've gotten addicted, though it's pretty old: 1987.)
>   I suspect that Windows 98 is making new computer users less aware than
> ever before what goes on inside their machines.  When I think of the term
> "operating system," I think of DOS, its commands, the way it formats
> disks, the interrupts, etc.  That's really all I have to go on.

OK, that's pretty close. For now, think of UNIX as doing all those
things too, but more reliably and with up dozens more commandline
options, and less help. We have an optional graphical interface too.

But I doubt that is it really our role to teach people what an
operating system is. Does Microsoft or Apple do that on their web
sites? No. Does your local Ford dealer teach people what a wheel is or
explain the difference between a Ford and a tricycle in a brochure for
passers by to take?

What would be nice on the web site, though, is a quick way to identify
people who don't have the background to fathom what we're about (or
have them self-identify) and give them a brief message or pointer
to save the time and frustration of all parties.

>  When I think of UNIX, I think of "Jurassic Park," and assume that
> it's something only universities have. But "BSD" means even less to
> me. It reminds me of a brand of underwear.

:-) Well it is sort of a brand name, probably the first time you've
encountered the possibility of different brand names associated with
any one style of operating system, since your experience has only been
with monopolies.

Dn't worry about what BSD is until you're comfortable about UNIX style
operating systems, and before that, the concept of operating systems in
general.

>   It took me a long time to figure out that "PC-compatible" simply means
> "not made by Macintosh," though why Macintosh computers aren't "personal" 
> is beyond me.

I meet a lot of people who are only aware that one of those two
hardware styles exists! Actually there's a huge range of different
types of computers, apart from these two. Of course those whose
hardware and operating system have the same name are particularly
disadvantaged if their system has discouraged them from learning.

Basically I see these all as problems, and feel for the victims, but
they're not *our* problems. Because we don't own the problems it's
tricky to work out how we could deal with them on the FreeBSD web site.
No point adding to people's misery, or talking down the the majority of
visitors who are hard core unix types.

If you have any more suggestions from your side of the fencepost,
they'd be very welcome. Questions about FreeBSD are answered by the
people at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, and here at freebsd-doc we
plan the documentation and deal with feedback such as yours. If we do
end up agreeing to make a change, maybe you'd be prepared to comment
on it then too.

I've copied this back to the documentation project team, because I know
others will be watching with interest. (I'm just one of many volunteers
here.) Often when someone like you comes along we simply agree to
misunderstand each other and go our separate ways because that's easier
than sharing and helping. Maybe this time is different.

-- 

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On Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 01:14:20AM +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote:
> http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html - see the parent
> (http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/) for more details etc.
> 
> > 3) Do I need such a copyright notice?
> 
> You should have _some_ sort of copyright/license statement, to let
> people know what they are allowed to do.

Here is one I'm experimenting with, based on the BSD copyright, for
SGML documentation of my own. I've sent it to -core for deliberation on
whether it (or something like it) should be applied to the Handbook
and other documents.

The *first* thing I will do if -core thinks this is a good idea is 
contact the people who have contributed to the Handbook, and get their
agreement. I am most emphatically *not* talking about imposing a copyright
notice that the authors disagree with.

<!-- Copyright (c) 1998 Nik Clayton, All rights reserved.                       
                                                                                
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     (SGML HTML, PDF, PostScript, RTF and so forth) with or without             
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     are met:                                                                   
                                                                                
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On Sat, Dec 12, 1998 at 06:10:44PM -0500, Greg Pavelcak wrote:
> I haven't been able to get teTeX-beta to compile. I thought I
> might find someone with some insight on this here.
> 
> With -current from today (12/12/98), "make all" in teTeX-beta
> ends with this:

I can't help with this I'm afraid. Can you mention this to -ports?
For reference, it works on my -stable system (last built on Nov 25 1998).

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Synopsis: getloadavg(3) should add header file in synopsis

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Synopsis: Man pages: chpass(1) and passwd(5) give a different format for the passwd file.

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Synopsis: resolver(5) manpage out of date re default for "search"

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FreeBSD-current has moved to bind-8 whos manual page is correct.  Thanks
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