From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Apr 28 12:59:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20070 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20065 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01054; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281855.LAA01054@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Martin Machacek cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doscmd problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:27:46 +0200." <199804281328.GAA20227@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:55:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm trying to make doscmd running on my FreeBSD 3.0 (cvsuped and world made on > March 20). I've very closely followed the example on the doscmd's manpage. > I've created minimalisitic /etc/doscmdrc saying: > > X11_FONT=fixed > assign A: /dev/rfd0.1440 1440 > assign A: /dev/rfd0.720 720 You should probably only have one of these. > assign hard /u/doscmd/disk_c 30 > > I've touched the /u/doscmd/disk_c file and made it world readable and > writable. I would normally not use a BIOS harddisk emulation, just due to nuisance value. Instead, try: boot a: assign a: /u/doscmd/bootimage assign c: / Put the 'instbsdi.com' file on your boot floppy, add it to the autoexec.bat script, and then dd the floppy image off to the bootimage file. This will give you drive c: rooted at the top of your filesystem. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Apr 29 08:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25507 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scully.tamu.edu (root@unix.tamu.edu [128.194.103.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25487 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from limanond@enws626.eas.asu.edu) Received: from my-computer (modem-1450.rns.tamu.edu [165.91.69.233]) by scully.tamu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22272 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:22:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35476342.4218@enws626.eas.asu.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:28:34 -0700 From: Suttipan Limanond Reply-To: limanond@enws626.eas.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: matlab for linux and freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi: I wonder if anyone has successfully installed Matlab for Linux on FreeBSD. I just want to make sure before I purchase a copy myself. I'm sorry to bother your guys on a non technical question, but I tried the handbook, usenet, and freebsd-questions newsgroup without much success. Thank you very much Suttipan Limanond. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Apr 29 15:12:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15540 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:12:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15454 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartol@salk.edu) Received: from cole.salk.edu (cole [198.202.70.113]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15163; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Bartol To: Suttipan Limanond cc: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-Reply-To: <35476342.4218@enws626.eas.asu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use it in FreeBSD all the time in our lab. It works great! You will have to tweak a couple of shell scripts that it comes with so that they recognize freebsd as an architecture and map this architecture to linux. That was the only change we had to make. Tom On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Suttipan Limanond wrote: > Hi: > > I wonder if anyone has successfully installed Matlab for Linux on > FreeBSD. I just want to make sure before I purchase a copy myself. > > I'm sorry to bother your guys on a non technical question, but I tried > the handbook, usenet, and freebsd-questions newsgroup without much > success. > > Thank you very much > > Suttipan Limanond. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Apr 29 23:44:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18765 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:44:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18760 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13768; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom Bartol cc: Suttipan Limanond , freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:11:12 PDT." Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:44:21 -0700 Message-ID: <13764.893918661@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > We use it in FreeBSD all the time in our lab. It works great! > You will have to tweak a couple of shell scripts that it comes with so > that they recognize freebsd as an architecture and map this architecture > to linux. That was the only change we had to make. Maybe somebody should get this back to the Matlab folks? You'd think they'd want their stuff to run OOB for the most number of people. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Apr 30 12:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29691 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29686 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartol@salk.edu) Received: from cole.salk.edu (cole [198.202.70.113]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01081; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Bartol Reply-To: Tom Bartol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Suttipan Limanond , freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-Reply-To: <13764.893918661@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some history on my dealings with the Mathworks: Our lab was one of the fundamental sites in the Linux community responsible for convincing Matlab to come out with a Linux version back in 1993. We still have a copy of a CD-R burned by the Mathworks with the first alpha-version of Matlab 4 for Linux released to alpha testers. Time went by, and as our use of Matlab for larger and larger projects progressed we began to unmask some serious performance problems inherent in Linux -- it swaps like a pig (to put it bluntly) and the NFS performance is 2-5 times slower that the other "Real UNIX Workstations(tm)" we had in our lab at the time. There were some in our lab who said "Oh, that because the Intel architecture just can't perform like a 'Real UNIX Workstation'". I, for one, wasn't going to take such a statement on blind faith alone so I set out to do some objective tests. I thought "if there is another UNIX-like OS that I could run on the Intel platform and could get to perform as well as a 'Real UNIX Workstation' then this existence proof would clearly show that an Intel machine is a viable alternative to more expensive brands." I did some research and discovered the *BSD bunch (just recenlty freed from legal encumberances) and quickly determined that FreeBSD would be a good *BSD to try out first. In the middle of my research and testing FreeBSD 2.1.0 was released (Nov, 1995) so I grabbed that immediately and began the definitive tests over Christmas break, 1995. The entire lab was extremely impressed with the results and the nay-sayers silenced once and for all -- "O.K., O.K. we were wrong. Yes, a $3000 90MHz Pentium machine can perform even better than a $15000 Sparc 10". But one chink remained -- how to run Matlab. These were the days before the Linux emulator in FreeBSD. I tried weening the lab off of proprietary software having tyrannical licensing requirements, but Scilab and Octave were not acceptable to many lab members soooo... So, I sent a lengthy letter to Dr. Cleve Moler himself (Chief Scientist at the Mathworks), in January 1996, going into great detail regarding our rationale and decision-making process for choosing FreeBSD and how FreeBSD had solved many of the performance problems (e.g. swapping and networking) we had been experiencing (and still experience on benchmark machines) with Linux. I explained how performance was a VERY important issue in scientific research and that the differences we were measuring meant the difference between getting an answer to a question in a few days versus getting an answer in a few weeks!! I then went on to explain how FreeBSD shared many similarities (and even much source code) with SunOS and that it would probably be quite simple to add native support for FreeBSD in Matlab and that our lab and many other would be very thankful (as indeed we had been when the Mathworks introduced Matlab for Linux, I reminded him). Dr. Moler answered my letter very quickly thanking me for a very well written, thoughtful, and considerate letter and said they would consider our request seriously. But alas, a few days later he followed up with their final decision that supporting yet another platform was too much work to justify the unknown market potential of the product. By the way, did you know that the Matlab language parser was implemented brute-force by hand and is NOT written using lex and yacc? Not too long after this I heard via the freebsd e-mail lists that the linux emulator in FreeBSD -current ("-current what's that?", I thought) (at the time I believe it was 2.2-current) was getting good enough to run many linux binaries. Well this was indeed good news, so I immediately learned all I could about "staying -current" and the linux emulator and set up my experimental FreeBSD machine in the lab accordingly. I soon found out that, on the exact same hardware, Matlab ran marginally FASTER (~3%) under the linux emulator in FreeBSD than it did on a "Real Linux Machine(tm)" or WindowsNT 4.0 under light load and MUCH FASTER (~2.25x NT) (~3.25x Linux!!) under heavy load. Of course, I reported this to the folks at the Mathworks right away with detailed instructions on how I got it to work and even a diff file to patch their sh scripts so that future releases would be "FreeBSD Linux emulator ready". Their response was, 1) "that's neat" and 2) "we don't support that". Wonderful. What really got me steamed though, was a couple of months after this, a tech support guy from the Mathworks forwarded an e-mail to me from a FreeBSD user who wanted to get Matlab running under FreeBSD. Obviously, tech support at the Mathworks knew that I was the right guy to contact and obviously all the time I had spent putting together the detailed instructions and the patch file went right down the Mathworks' byte-toilet. The tech guy didn't even ask me first, he just forwarded the mail to me, cc'd the poor FreeBSD user and dropped it in my lap. Of course, I was quite happy to help the FreeBSD user get things working but in a separate e-mail I let the Mathworks know that if they're not willing to support paying customers (and it ain't cheap) running Matlab on FreeBSD why should they automatically expect me to do it at they're beckon-call, single-handedly, and for nothing? Of course, I do this all the time, user to user (that's my choice and I'm happy to do it :-) ) but it's quite another thing to have a company with this attitude drop someone in your lap completely out of the blue without an inquiry beforehand or a thank you afterwards. I felt that I was equally thoughtful and considerate in that letter to the Mathworks -- needless to say I never got a response. Par for the course, I guess. Perhaps the climate of opinion at the Mathworks is different now and I certainly don't want to dissuade any of you from contacting the Mathworks on your own (this would probably be a good thing to do, in fact) but they have probably heard enough from me already and I'm certainly done wasting my time on them. Thanks to all of you for FreeBSD and the wonderful (and all so necessary) Linux emulator! Sincerely , Tom On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > We use it in FreeBSD all the time in our lab. It works great! > > You will have to tweak a couple of shell scripts that it comes with so > > that they recognize freebsd as an architecture and map this architecture > > to linux. That was the only change we had to make. > > Maybe somebody should get this back to the Matlab folks? You'd think > they'd want their stuff to run OOB for the most number of people. > > Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Apr 30 14:38:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26367 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26357 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23333; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:37:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom Bartol cc: Suttipan Limanond , freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:06:59 PDT." Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:37:27 -0700 Message-ID: <23329.893972247@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > were not acceptable to many lab members soooo... So, I sent a lengthy > letter to Dr. Cleve Moler himself (Chief Scientist at the Mathworks), in Hmmm. I wonder if Dr. Moler still remembers me - we worked together on a project back in the mid 80's. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to call. :) > justify the unknown market potential of the product. By the way, did you > know that the Matlab language parser was implemented brute-force by hand > and is NOT written using lex and yacc? That's pretty funny considering that another other guy working on that project (and my boss) was Steve Johnson. :-) You'd think something might have rubbed off. > Of course, I reported this to the folks at the Mathworks right away with > detailed instructions on how I got it to work and even a diff file to > patch their sh scripts so that future releases would be "FreeBSD Linux > emulator ready". Their response was, 1) "that's neat" and 2) "we don't > support that". Wonderful. What really got me steamed though, was a Grrrrr, those twinks. You'd think they'd be more cooperative in light of all the work you did. Hmmm. Let me make a few calls and twist a few tails. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Apr 30 15:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00916 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00910 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartol@salk.edu) Received: from cole.salk.edu (cole [198.202.70.113]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17377; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Bartol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Suttipan Limanond , freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-Reply-To: <23329.893972247@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Grrrrr, those twinks. You'd think they'd be more cooperative in light > of all the work you did. > > Hmmm. Let me make a few calls and twist a few tails. :) > > - Jordan > Ohhhh, would you pleeeeeeeease? Thanks, Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Apr 30 15:34:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04382 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scully.tamu.edu (b0l6604@unix.tamu.edu [128.194.103.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04375 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from b0l6604@unix.tamu.edu) Received: from localhost (b0l6604@localhost) by scully.tamu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12901; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:33:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:33:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Bootsrapa Limanond To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Tom Bartol , Suttipan Limanond , freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-Reply-To: <23329.893972247@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This sounds great. If you need any help on that, please let me know ... On the other note, I just received matlab's pricing this morning. The MATLAB and SIMULINK's pricing seems like something I can swallow (~$500 each for educational license). But, boy ..., a toolbox is priced at $199 each ... (At first, I didn't believe my eyes and had to write back to them to confirm). How is it possible that a toolbox which is nothing but a collection of M-files cost more than a C compiler? Did someone mention Scilab and another package? Is there a URL that I can get some info on these software? Thank you very much, Suttipan Limanond. On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > were not acceptable to many lab members soooo... So, I sent a lengthy > > letter to Dr. Cleve Moler himself (Chief Scientist at the Mathworks), in > > Hmmm. I wonder if Dr. Moler still remembers me - we worked together > on a project back in the mid 80's. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to > call. :) > > > justify the unknown market potential of the product. By the way, did you > > know that the Matlab language parser was implemented brute-force by hand > > and is NOT written using lex and yacc? > > That's pretty funny considering that another other guy working on that > project (and my boss) was Steve Johnson. :-) You'd think something > might have rubbed off. > > > Of course, I reported this to the folks at the Mathworks right away with > > detailed instructions on how I got it to work and even a diff file to > > patch their sh scripts so that future releases would be "FreeBSD Linux > > emulator ready". Their response was, 1) "that's neat" and 2) "we don't > > support that". Wonderful. What really got me steamed though, was a > > Grrrrr, those twinks. You'd think they'd be more cooperative in light > of all the work you did. > > Hmmm. Let me make a few calls and twist a few tails. :) > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Apr 30 16:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08493 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:09:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08486 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01191; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804302204.PAA01191@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bootsrapa Limanond cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Tom Bartol , Suttipan Limanond , freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:33:45 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:04:09 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On the other note, I just received matlab's pricing this morning. The > MATLAB and SIMULINK's pricing seems like something I can swallow (~$500 > each for > educational license). But, boy ..., a toolbox is priced at $199 each ... > (At first, > I didn't believe my eyes and had to write back to them to confirm). How > is it possible that a toolbox which is nothing but a collection > of M-files cost more than a C compiler? Companies in that marketplace (Mathworks, RSI, etc.) seem to feel that because they have no competition, they can charge what they like. > Did someone mention Scilab and another package? Is there a URL that I can > get some info on these software? Octave is in the ports collection. I only looked at it briefly once, but it seems reasonably complete. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Apr 30 16:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10970 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10956 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartol@salk.edu) Received: from cole.salk.edu (cole [198.202.70.113]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24407; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Bartol To: Bootsrapa Limanond cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Suttipan Limanond , freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Bootsrapa Limanond wrote: > > This sounds great. If you need any help on that, please let me know ... > > On the other note, I just received matlab's pricing this morning. The > MATLAB and SIMULINK's pricing seems like something I can swallow (~$500 > each for > educational license). But, boy ..., a toolbox is priced at $199 each ... > (At first, > I didn't believe my eyes and had to write back to them to confirm). How > is it possible that a toolbox which is nothing but a collection > of M-files cost more than a C compiler? And Hey, don't forget that's the just the price for the first year!!! You have to pay a renewal fee EVERY year... If you don't then when the license expires the software dies until you renew (this is what I was referring to when I mentioned "tyrannical licensing requirements"). Matlab -- the software you lease with an option to... lease again, of course, what else! > > Did someone mention Scilab and another package? Is there a URL that I can > get some info on these software? > Both SciLab and Octave are in the ports collection. They're both quite nice! If you can possibly do without Matlab then, please, do yourself a favor! > Thank you very much, > > Suttipan Limanond. > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri May 1 20:13:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21600 for freebsd-emulation-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au (pm.cse.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.118.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21594 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phillip@pm.cse.rmit.EDU.AU) Received: (from phillip@localhost) by mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA05599; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:12:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from phillip) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:12:59 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199805020312.NAA05599@mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au> From: Phillip Musumeci To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Tom Bartol on Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:21:27 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: matlab for linux and freebsd Reply-to: phillip@rmit.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Bartol writes: Tom> Matlab -- the software you lease with an option to... lease again, Tom> of course, what else! True :-) I also exchanged a few emails with the mathworks when they were choosing a PC based unix (like) platform to support, but they appeared uninterested in facts such as "SunOS is similar to *BSD - maybe a *BSD port is easier" etc. Tom> Both SciLab and Octave are in the ports collection. They're both Tom> quite nice! If you can possibly do without Matlab then, please, Tom> do yourself a favor! SciLAB and octave are both good packages, with octave offering close compatibility at a language/script level. Many matlab m-files run under octave. I understand that SciLAB also features a dynamic library that adds matlab compatibility. Another product, though not free, is available from The Mathtools Inc. people. They have developed a matlab compiler that turns matlab code into C++ code which, compiled with their libraries, gives native executables. It works well on FreeBSD (I haven't used the most recent version but they support GNU C platforms). These folk beat the Mathworks in offering a matlab compiler, and they also offered extra data types well ahead of any similar matlab offering (with Mathtools, you could manipulate image data and choose how many bytes represented a pixel). If you like C syntax, then also check out RLaB which has been written mostly by Ian Searle while he was with Boeing in Seattle and later at AMC. The main ftp site is ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/i/ians/rlab/sources The RLaB home page can be accessed via http://www.eskimo.com/~ians [personal bias: I wrote part of the original RLaB Primer]. phillip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message