From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 01:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26493 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hil-img-4.compuserve.com (hil-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.177.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26483 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 76350.1227@compuserve.com) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id EAA24446 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:32:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:31:41 -0500 From: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> Subject: Future Domain SCSI Drivers - TMC-1680 ISA cards with 18C30 & 18C50 chips To: tech_help_drivers Message-ID: <199801250432_MC2-308D-994D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id BAA26488 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I am looking for driver support for my Future Domain SCSI cards. I have a TMC 1680, which is a 16 bit ISA card. The card uses the Future Domain 18C30 chip. Some of these cards may use the older 18C50 chip. The bios date is 1994 (v3.4). I am aware that Future Domain (along with Trantor) was purchased by Adaptec, but they have been very little help to me. I have driver support on other Unix releases including SCO Open Server, SCO Unixware, & Linux (Slackware 3.1). This is my second request. The first was over a year ago. New releases of FreeBSD still do not show my Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI cards in the list of compatible hardware. Picking up drivers for these cards and other legacy equipment will help expand the user base for FreeBSD. Therefore the creation of the drivers and hardware support I need should be important to the FreeBSD community. To be specific, each hardware item listed as compatible with Linux should be matched with FreeBSD. Further, the new hardware support information must be listed on the CD disc case so that buyers can find it. I guess that is a pretty big order, so let me say I can probably get by with just the TMC-1680 SCSI drivers [ha ha] :-). Any assistance or info you may provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! help Thanks; Bruce Vandiver e-mail to: 76350.1227@compuserve.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 01:35:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26634 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp4.portal.net.au [202.12.71.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26628 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:35:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02416; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:57:09 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801250927.TAA02416@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Vladimir Litovka cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability In-reply-to: Your message of "04 Jan 1998 15:09:03 +0200." <68o1lf$ivu$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:57:08 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > There is diff to /usr/src/usr.bin/login below. It adds shell arguments > processing to login, i.e. you can use arguments in shell field of > /etc/passwd. For example: Did anyone have any comments on this? It looks basically sound modulo some style issues (and login is a cesspit in that regard anyway), and does indeed offer some value-add. More to the point, if I commit a variant of this, who is going to complain? (remainder of original post & diff follows). > doka::1001:1001::0:0:Vladimir Litovka:/home/doka:/usr/local/bin/bash -r > uusys::2001:66::0:0:UUCP for sys:/var/spool/uucppublic:/etc/uucp/uudo sys > > This ability must be activated by defining LOGIN_SHELL_ARGS in Makefile > (this already done in diff) > > Please, mail your comments to doka@grunt.vl.net.ua > > Thank you. > > ============= Cut here ============== > > diff -c -r login/Makefile login.new/Makefile > *** login/Makefile Sun Jan 4 12:37:47 1998 > --- login.new/Makefile Sun Jan 4 14:28:29 1998 > *************** > *** 10,15 **** > --- 10,17 ---- > #Warning: requires src/libexec/login_* auth modules > #LC_AUTH=-DLOGIN_CAP_AUTH > CFLAGS+=-DSKEY -DLOGIN_ACCESS -DLOGALL -DLOGIN_CAP $(LC_AUTH) > + # Comment out to disable shell arguments processing > + CFLAGS+=-DLOGIN_SHELL_ARGS > > .if defined(KLOGIN_PARANOID) > CFLAGS+=-DKLOGIN_PARANOID > > diff -c -r login/README login.new/README > *** login/README Sun Jan 4 12:37:47 1998 > --- login.new/README Sun Jan 4 14:24:35 1998 > *************** > *** 1,3 **** > --- 1,13 ---- > + This login has shell arguments processing. To activate this capability you > + must define LOGIN_SHELL_ARGS and safely use arguments in shell field of > + /etc/passwd > + > + For example: > + > + doka::1001:1001::0:0:Vladimir Litovka:/home/doka:/usr/local/bin/bash -r > + > + -Vladimir Litovka > + > This login has additional functionalities. They are all based on (part of) > Wietse Venema's logdaemon package. > > diff -c -r login/login.c login.new/login.c > *** login/login.c Sun Jan 4 12:37:47 1998 > --- login.new/login.c Sun Jan 4 12:25:05 1998 > *************** > *** 172,177 **** > --- 172,180 ---- > #ifdef SKEY > int permit_passwd = 0; > #endif /* SKEY */ > + #ifdef LOGIN_SHELL_ARGS > + char **ap, *av[256]; > + #endif > > (void)signal(SIGALRM, timedout); > (void)alarm(timeout); > *************** > *** 800,806 **** > --- 803,822 ---- > tbuf[0] = '-'; > (void)strcpy(tbuf + 1, (p = strrchr(pwd->pw_shell, '/')) ? p + 1 : pwd->pw_shell); > > + #ifdef LOGIN_SHELL_ARGS > + av[0]=tbuf; > + if (p = strpbrk(tbuf, " \t")) { > + *p = NULL; /* Cut argv[0] */ > + /* Omit shell and start at first argument */ > + p = strpbrk(shell, " \t"); > + *p++ = NULL; /* Cut arguments (for execvp), jump to next char */ > + for (ap = &av[1]; (*ap = strsep(&p, " \t")) != NULL; ) > + if (**ap != NULL) ap++; > + } > + execvp(shell, av); > + #else > execlp(shell, tbuf, 0); > + #endif > err(1, "%s", shell); > } > > ============= Cut here ============== > -- > Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua > ---------------- Don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 02:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28013 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp11.portal.net.au [202.12.71.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28000 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:04:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02540; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:27:05 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801250957.UAA02540@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> cc: tech_help_drivers Subject: Re: Future Domain SCSI Drivers - TMC-1680 ISA cards with 18C30 & 18C50 chips In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:31:41 CDT." <199801250432_MC2-308D-994D@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:27:01 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I am looking for driver support for my Future Domain SCSI cards. I have a > TMC 1680, which is a 16 bit ISA card. The card uses the Future Domain 18C30 > chip. Some of these cards may use the older 18C50 chip. The bios date is > 1994 (v3.4). These cards are best sold to teenagers at rave parties, who will either wear them as jewellery or use them to commit minor acts of mayhem on innocent bystanders. > I have driver support on other Unix releases including SCO Open Server, SCO > Unixware, & Linux (Slackware 3.1). If you have Linux drivers, you probably have source for them. You also appear to be almost the only individual actually interested in driver support for these cards, which puts you in the best possible position to develop such support yourself. Driver development is an educational and rewarding process. Think of it as something to broaden your mind. There are plenty of people that are willing to answer your questions, but, it seems, not many that can do your work for you. > This is my second request. The first was over a year ago. New releases of > FreeBSD still do not show my Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI cards in the list > of compatible hardware. Picking up drivers for these cards and other legacy > equipment will help expand the user base for FreeBSD. Drivers for legacy equipment are generally developed by people that have such legacy equipment. You appear to be failing to appreciate that FreeBSD acquires new drivers because people go out and develop them, and then contribute them to the project. There isn't a Driver Development Lab with lots of people and money that's studiously ignoring your requests while playing Doom and chugging Jolt and pizza. I wish there was; I'd be begging for a job there myself. > Therefore the > creation of the drivers and hardware support I need should be important to > the FreeBSD community. To be brutally frank, the FreeBSD community is demonstrating a lot more interest in hardware that is useful for contemporary workloads. Witness the stable support for the Adaptec and NCR/Symbios adapters and emerging support for hardware from people like Advansys and DPT in contrast to the poor or nonexistent support for bogus hardware like anything ever manufactured by Future Domain. > Further, the new > hardware support information must be listed on the CD disc case so that > buyers can find it. You are confusing the FreeBSD project and a particular CDROM vendor. The latter would argue that there is not enough room on the case to list even the smallest part of the supported hardware, and that you should consult the online resources (which *are* referenced on the case) before purchasing. Or return the set for a full refund if you are particularly unhappy. > I guess that is a pretty big order, so let me say I can > probably get by with just the TMC-1680 SCSI drivers [ha ha] :-). Any > assistance or info you may provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! I would strongly suggest that you should study the Linux source that you have, the source for a similar ISA SCSI adapter driver, and begin your own development. I do seem to recall someone mention that they had documentation for the controller you are asking about on the shelf; perhaps you should search the archives at www.freebsd.org for a reference here too, as such documentation would be very useful. Please feel free to post questions regarding your development to the list, as we do try to encourage new contributors whenever possible. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 04:05:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03876 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:05:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03867 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00285; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:28:27 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801251158.WAA00285@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splash screen (splashkit) for 3.0 systems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:36:57 MDT." <199801130436.WAA02770@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:28:26 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Okay, that seems to be the key messages of why this would be a good > idea. In general, I think that when *I personally* in a mood to > interact with a computer graphically, I'll use X. Does anybody else > have an opinion on this? I think the general consensus is with you there. > Also, in general, I agree that the pretty things going on while the > console is idle are best handled by screen savers. Opinions? Likewise. > Perhaps it would be best to have an vty ioctl that means 'engage > screensaver immediately, which getty can send > when it starts up, depending on a gettytab setting. Alternately, we > could use an escape sequence instead, and set it up as the last > character sequence in gettytab's `lm' (login message) attribute. Both of these sound like much more sensible ideas. > Well, enough of that, I've gotten in the mood to write a graphical > *SOMETHING* now, so I'll probably be submitting a graphical > screensaver RSN. OK, where is it? 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 04:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04213 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plugcom.ru (uucp@radiance.plugcom.ru [195.2.73.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04208 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:10:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (uucp@localhost) by plugcom.ru (8.8.7/8.8.6) with UUCP id PAA03548 for freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:10:01 +0300 (MSK) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (tarkhil@tarkhil.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA08837 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:06:44 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199801251206.PAA08837@minas-tirith.pol.ru> To: freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers@minas-tirith.pol.ru Subject: Ethernet_802.2 and IPX Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:06:44 +0300 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello! Why doesn't IPX support frame types other than Ethernet_II? Is there any black magic involved? Are there any description on making IPX router (IPXrouted says nothing on how-to)? Alex. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 07:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12127 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:17:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12112 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:17:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.4) with UUCP id PAA03434; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:16:18 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:16:41 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801250432_MC2-308D-994D@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:15:05 +0000 To: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Future Domain SCSI Drivers - TMC-1680 ISA cards with 18C30 & 18C50 chips Cc: tech_help_drivers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 9:31 am +0000 25/1/98, Bruce Vandiver wrote: >I am looking for driver support for my Future Domain SCSI cards. I have a >TMC 1680, which is a 16 bit ISA card. The card uses the Future Domain 18C30 >chip. Some of these cards may use the older 18C50 chip. The bios date is >1994 (v3.4). [etc] Have a look at http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/freebsd/welcome.html which contains an 18c30 driver ported for the AHA2920. It also contains the original tmc18c30/ISA support which may well work with your cards. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 07:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13200 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp8.portal.net.au [202.12.71.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13195 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04496; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:00:26 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801251530.CAA04496@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bob Bishop cc: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com>, tech_help_drivers Subject: Re: Future Domain SCSI Drivers - TMC-1680 ISA cards with 18C30 & 18C50 chips In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:15:05 -0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:00:23 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > At 9:31 am +0000 25/1/98, Bruce Vandiver wrote: > >I am looking for driver support for my Future Domain SCSI cards. I have a > >TMC 1680, which is a 16 bit ISA card. The card uses the Future Domain 18C30 > >chip. Some of these cards may use the older 18C50 chip. The bios date is > >1994 (v3.4). [etc] > > Have a look at > http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/freebsd/welcome.html which > contains an 18c30 driver ported for the AHA2920. It also contains the > original tmc18c30/ISA support which may well work with your cards. Well I never. If anyone out there is using this driver, can we have some feedback? If it works and appears to be maintained, we ought to incorporate it... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 08:03:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14566 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:03:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14557 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hel.ifi.uio.no (2602@hel.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.91]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA16703; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:02:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hel.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:02:02 +0100 (MET) To: Mike Smith Cc: Vladimir Litovka , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability References: <199801250927.TAA02416@word.smith.net.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 25 Jan 1998 17:02:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:57:08 +1030" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > > There is diff to /usr/src/usr.bin/login below. It adds shell arguments > > processing to login, i.e. you can use arguments in shell field of > > /etc/passwd. For example: > Did anyone have any comments on this? It looks basically sound modulo > some style issues (and login is a cesspit in that regard anyway), and > does indeed offer some value-add. If I may offer an opinion, the only use I can see for that is if a user's shell is set to something else than an actual shell (for instance, if you create an information account with a shell that simply offers an information menu without actually giving you access to the system; some ISPs I know of do that). But I can't really see a reason *not* to do it. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 09:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21099 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:14:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21078 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:14:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15619; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:14:48 -0800 (PST) To: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> cc: tech_help_drivers Subject: Re: Future Domain SCSI Drivers - TMC-1680 ISA cards with 18C30 & 18C50 chips In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:31:41 EST." <199801250432_MC2-308D-994D@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:14:48 -0800 Message-ID: <15614.885748488@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I am looking for driver support for my Future Domain SCSI cards. I have a > TMC 1680, which is a 16 bit ISA card. The card uses the Future Domain 18C30 > chip. Some of these cards may use the older 18C50 chip. The bios date is > 1994 (v3.4). It's not supported. > This is my second request. The first was over a year ago. New releases of > FreeBSD still do not show my Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI cards in the list > of compatible hardware. Picking up drivers for these cards and other legacy If you're looking for such support then saying "I want support for this card and I've asked twice already!" is NOT the thing to do since this is a volunteer project and that's not how such things get done. They get done because someone like yourself has a card and the motivation to make it work, so they do a driver and contribute it. I don't know of anyone who even owns one of these cards anymore, so if it's not you who does this then I honestly doubt that it will be anyone at all and you might as well simply replace that card now. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 09:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22548 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22533 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id SAA29041 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:15:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA27664; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:56:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:56:18 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: why not CVS server support ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi ! Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 09:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22829 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from izzy4.izzy.net (izzy4.izzy.net [198.108.102.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22815; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanny@TDFltd.com) Received: from albert.TDFltd.com (tc1-05.dialup.coast.net [207.158.151.5]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19022; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:22:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980125122250.006e1c5c@izzy.net> X-Sender: stanny@izzy.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:22:50 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gary Stanny Subject: Crisis - I broke perl / can't find boot_Socket symbol Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi All - Please forgive the cross posting but I'm not sure if this is a simple question for questions or a missing / broken something meaning a question more for hackers. I also found nothing to help in searching the mailing list archives. AAARRGGGGGHHHHHHHH - I broke perl. Everything is going to blowup on my box. Here is what I am getting - diablo >perl ~/perl/getwlogs.pl Can't find 'boot_Socket' symbol in /usr/local/lib/perl5/i386-freebsd/5.00401/auto/Socket/Socket.so at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/Net/FTP.pm line 17 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/Net/FTP.pm line 17. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at getwlogs.pl line 43. I also get the same error from lwp-download diablo >gettrans /home/stanny/bin rm: index.html: No such file or directory lwp-download: Can't download: 501 Can't find 'boot_Socket' symbol in /usr/local/lib/perl5/i386-freebsd/5.00401/auto/Socket/Socket.so BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/LWP/Socket.pm line 41. diablo >ls -l /usr/local/lib/perl5/i386-freebsd/5.00401/auto/Socket total 40 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Oct 17 01:17 Socket.bs -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19466 Oct 17 01:17 Socket.so What is Socket.bs and should it be 0 length? I pkg_add-ed perl-5.00401, p5-libwww-5.12, p5-Net-1.0505, & p5-MIME-Base64-2.03. I am running FreeBSD 2.2.2. Am I just missing a package ? Please email me direct since freebsd-questions-digest has stopped getting to me (but freebsd-hackers-digest still gets through OK ???). Please hurry - cron table hell will breakout at 0600 tomorrow :-( TIA cheers gary Gary Stanny Tierra del Fuego Ltd. www.TDFltd.com stanny@TDFltd.com Financial Software 313 449 8306 (voice/fax) 7725 Shady Beach Dr Whitmore Lake, MI, 48189 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 09:29:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24302 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-x2-0130.jumpnet.com [207.8.61.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24275 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id LAA09320; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:29:03 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPv6 References: From: Dave Marquardt Date: 25 Jan 1998 11:28:30 -0600 In-Reply-To: Tom's message of "Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:25:36 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: <85zpkk1n0h.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.17/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Tom writes: > Also some organizations have wasted a lot of space, probably because > they aren't willing to re-allocate address space. For example, IBM has > 9/8. I really doubt that IBM has 16 million hosts on the Internet, even > with their Advantis Internet Service. Also, most of IBM is firewalled and > can only reach the net via a proxy server! So IBM is giving out perfectly > good 9/8 addresses to workstations that only can reach the Internet via a > proxy server in some other non-9/8 block! I work at IBM, so I can speak to this a little. IBM also used to have lots of class B networks, and they've been giving them up and using 9/8. 32/8, as mentioned elsewhere, is also owned by IBM, and seems to be used by Advantis, or IBM Global Network, or whatever they call themselves these days. Currently IBM uses socks and HTTP proxies, but it's conceivable that someday IBM might start using more modern firewalls, that would allow the 9 addresses out to the Internet directly. -Dave From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 09:33:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25120 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25107 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21805; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:32:47 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18231; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:32:47 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:32:47 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Andreas Klemm Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 05:56:18PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 05:56:18PM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? (I assume you mean the cvs pserver mode?) Why would we want to? It is easy to create a shell that contains only '/usr/bin/cvs server', which gives you the same functionality. pserver mode has had a few security violations in the past, and it wouldn't surprise me if has been turned of for that reason. If you're actually talking of cvs server mode, tough: AFAIK, we support it. At least I use it, and it work fine. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 10:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00516 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00507 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id TAA29084; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:14:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id TAA15682; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:13:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980125191259.27350@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:12:59 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stanny@TDFltd.com Subject: Re: Crisis - I broke perl / can't find boot_Socket symbol Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stanny@TDFltd.com References: <3.0.1.32.19980125122250.006e1c5c@izzy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88.14i In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980125122250.006e1c5c@izzy.net>; from Gary Stanny on Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:22:50PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4016 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk According to Gary Stanny: > What is Socket.bs and should it be 0 length? Don't worry about it. The .bs file (for Bootstrap) is for architectures other than i386. > I pkg_add-ed perl-5.00401, p5-libwww-5.12, p5-Net-1.0505, & > p5-MIME-Base64-2.03. I am running FreeBSD 2.2.2. Am I just missing a > package ? You probably took a CURRENT package (or a 2.2.5 one) and got bitten by the new ld.so that can find symbols in shared libs with or without the "_". With the new ld, Perl's Configure doesn't generate "_" in front of names exported so you old ld.so can't find them. The package was probably created on a system with the new ld. Recompile Perl yourself. Get the 5.004_04 BTW. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #4: Sun Jan 18 15:50:16 CET 1998 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04787 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:10:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from klokan.sh.cvut.cz (root@klokan.sh.cvut.cz [193.84.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04734 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from J.Klaus@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from skunk.sh.cvut.cz (skunk.sh.cvut.cz [194.108.141.194]) by klokan.sh.cvut.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA24612 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:10:39 +0100 Received: from SKUNK/SpoolDir by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31); 25 Jan 98 20:10:38 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by SKUNK (Mercury 1.31); 25 Jan 98 20:10:24 +0100 Received: from hell.sh.cvut.cz by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31) with ESMTP; 25 Jan 98 20:10:19 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:10:20 +0100 (CET) Organization: CTU Prague From: Jaroslav Klaus To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FBSD222 without swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA04743 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, I tried to kickout my swap partition. But when a alloc more memory (SIZE 48M, RES 37 - sum of all procs) system usages goes up quickly (up to 98%, 900-1200 Syscalls) when I move window. After I "swapon" my 100MB swap partition system usages will goes down to normal value (10-15% for moving window). Can anybody explain me this? I have FreeBSD 222, Intel P100, FIC PA2000, 64MB EDO RAM, SPEA MIRAGE P64+ Jarda From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:19:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05735 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:19:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05705 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16069 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:19:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: <16061.885755982.1@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Content-Description: Blind Carbon Copy Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Original Message To: committers@freebsd.org Subject: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days! Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: <16061.885755982@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" That means that I'm not going to be too friendly to the idea of "oh gosh, can we merge this at the last minute? I didn't have any time to look at it until now, honest!" sorts of requests in mid-to-late February, as is usually the custom. If you want something merged into the 2.2 branch in preparation for 2.2.6, DO IT NOW. I repeat, NOW is the time for merging. These next 10 days. Not February 5th, not February 10th and most definitely NOT February 25th, when I plan on releasing the bits. NOW. In the next 10 days. You guys got that? :-) Jordan (who's fully expecting to get last-minute requests anyway but can at least point to this message in the archives when he says NO! Go away! :-) ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06127 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05998 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:21:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29993; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:21:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199801251921.OAA29993@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: FBSD222 without swap In-Reply-To: from Jaroslav Klaus at "Jan 25, 98 08:10:20 pm" To: J.Klaus@sh.cvut.cz (Jaroslav Klaus) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:21:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jaroslav Klaus said: [Charset iso-8859-2 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Hello, > > I tried to kickout my swap partition. But when a alloc more memory > (SIZE 48M, RES 37 - sum of all procs) system usages goes up quickly > (up to 98%, 900-1200 Syscalls) when I move window. After I "swapon" > my 100MB swap partition system usages will goes down to normal value > (10-15% for moving window). Can anybody explain me this? > > I have FreeBSD 222, Intel P100, FIC PA2000, 64MB EDO RAM, SPEA MIRAGE P64+ > The system sees that you have lots of unneeded pages, and pushes them out. 3.0-current has much better support for minimizing or eliminating swap usage, but running without swap is problematical especially on earlier versions. The way that FreeBSD VM works is that it is assumed that backing store is much cheaper than memory. That isn't always true, and there is new code that allows that policy to be biased differently. The behavior that you are seeing is the ideal, given the policy that I had hoped to achieve. Note that the lack of free memory doesn't mean that your system is doomed to crash, but it is "playing with fire" to run without swap at all. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:32:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07682 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07677 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:32:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06301; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:32:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA28784; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:32:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:32:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Andreas Klemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? In-Reply-To: <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Hi ! > > > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > (I assume you mean the cvs pserver mode?) Why would we want to? And what gives you the impression we don't support it? I'm using cvs pserver mode with the cvs that was distributed in FreeBSD. It works fine, but like all CVS installation it requires setup of the CVS server and such, so you can't support it 'out of the box' anymore than it already is. If you mean why doesn't freefall support it, it's because of security and use. > pserver mode has had a few security violations in the past, and it > wouldn't surprise me if has been turned of for that reason. It takes a bit of work to make pserver mode secure, and those security precautions simply weren't taken since the remote CVS stuff doesn't work well enough to use it on a regular basis. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:38:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08459 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08441 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23105; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:37:51 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18548; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:37:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980125203750.05884@follo.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:37:50 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Nate Williams Cc: Eivind Eklund , Andreas Klemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:32:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:32:29PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > Hi ! > > > > > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > > > (I assume you mean the cvs pserver mode?) Why would we want to? > > And what gives you the impression we don't support it? Andreas' mail ;-) I wouldn't have paid much attention if somebody disabled it (as it is dysfunctional and a security hole), so I assumed that was what he was talking about. > > pserver mode has had a few security violations in the past, and it > > wouldn't surprise me if has been turned of for that reason. > > It takes a bit of work to make pserver mode secure, and those security > precautions simply weren't taken since the remote CVS stuff doesn't work > well enough to use it on a regular basis. The only way I've seen of making it _fairly_ secure is to run it in a chroot()ed environement. With the number of other security problems it has had (allowing remote execution), I wouldn't consider that secure, either - any kernel security hole that can be exploited by a user program could still be abused. Read-only access in a chroot()ed environement is supposed to be fairly secure, but I still wouldn't trust it. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09434 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09427 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06371; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:43:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA28850; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:43:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:43:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199801251943.MAA28850@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Nate Williams , Andreas Klemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? In-Reply-To: <19980125203750.05884@follo.net> References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> <19980125203750.05884@follo.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > Hi ! > > > > > > > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > > > > > (I assume you mean the cvs pserver mode?) Why would we want to? > > > > And what gives you the impression we don't support it? > > Andreas' mail The query was intended for Andreas, not for you. As you stated at the end of your email, it does indeed work, so I think both you and I must be misunderstanding his question. > > It takes a bit of work to make pserver mode secure, and those security > > precautions simply weren't taken since the remote CVS stuff doesn't work > > well enough to use it on a regular basis. > > The only way I've seen of making it _fairly_ secure is to run it in a > chroot()ed environement. I'm not sure I follow. What kind of 'insecurity' do you think there is? The only issue now is that it can allow you to other parts of your CVSROOT that you don't intend the user to have access to. > With the number of other security problems > it has had (allowing remote execution), I wouldn't consider that > secure, either - any kernel security hole that can be exploited by a > user program could still be abused. Umm, what kind of remote execution problems are you speaking of? PSERVER mode allows you to connet to a port and do remote CVS commands. Are you confusing PSERVER mode with standard RCVS mode which requires remote shell access? Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:46:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10012 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:46:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10005 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA13994; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013992; Sun Jan 25 11:45:31 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA20868; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:45:31 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801251945.LAA20868@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= at "Jan 25, 98 05:02:01 pm" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:45:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, doka@grunt.vl.net.ua, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by bubba.whistle.com id LAA20868 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA10008 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav writes: > Mike Smith writes: > > > There is diff to /usr/src/usr.bin/login below. It adds shell arguments > > > processing to login, i.e. you can use arguments in shell field of > > > /etc/passwd. For example: > > Did anyone have any comments on this? It looks basically sound modulo > > some style issues (and login is a cesspit in that regard anyway), and > > does indeed offer some value-add. > > If I may offer an opinion, the only use I can see for that is if a > user's shell is set to something else than an actual shell (for > instance, if you create an information account with a shell that > simply offers an information menu without actually giving you access > to the system; some ISPs I know of do that). But I can't really see a > reason *not* to do it. Could this allow some kind of subversion of /etc/shells ? Like for example, if there were some flag to a shell that says "stay as root" or something. Just a thought. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 11:54:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10908 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:54:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10878 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:54:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23256; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:54:01 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18631; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:54:00 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980125205400.52069@follo.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:54:00 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Nate Williams Cc: Eivind Eklund , Andreas Klemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> <19980125203750.05884@follo.net> <199801251943.MAA28850@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199801251943.MAA28850@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:43:23PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:43:23PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > With the number of other security problems > > it has had (allowing remote execution), I wouldn't consider that > > secure, either - any kernel security hole that can be exploited by a > > user program could still be abused. > > Umm, what kind of remote execution problems are you speaking of? > PSERVER mode allows you to connet to a port and do remote CVS commands. > Are you confusing PSERVER mode with standard RCVS mode which requires > remote shell access? No, definately not. pserver mode allow the user to overwrite the CVS wrappers, which again allow access to executing binaries. This is a security hole (of the same magnitude as allowing the user to execute binaries directly). If you instead give the user a normal account, set his shell to a script containing "cvs server", and only allow ssh access to your machines, you can use permissions to deny access to the wrapper files. (IIRC, permissions can be walked around in pserver mode. I don't remember quite how, though). Of course, even with a 'cvs server' shell you are vulnerable if there are overflows and similar in CVS. But you are at least only vulnerable to the users you actually give access, as snooping the passwords is no longer possible. Besides, a restricted 'cvs server' shell is much easier to set up and administer than 'cvs pserver' mode :-) Eivind. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 12:01:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12014 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12009 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:01:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28714; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028712; Sun Jan 25 11:54:14 1998 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav cc: Mike Smith , Vladimir Litovka , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk will it allow a user to arbrarily run somethign bt just prefixing it with a known shell? On 25 Jan 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav wrote: > Mike Smith writes: > > > There is diff to /usr/src/usr.bin/login below. It adds shell arguments > > > processing to login, i.e. you can use arguments in shell field of > > > /etc/passwd. For example: > > Did anyone have any comments on this? It looks basically sound modulo > > some style issues (and login is a cesspit in that regard anyway), and > > does indeed offer some value-add. > > If I may offer an opinion, the only use I can see for that is if a > user's shell is set to something else than an actual shell (for > instance, if you create an information account with a shell that > simply offers an information menu without actually giving you access > to the system; some ISPs I know of do that). But I can't really see a > reason *not* to do it. > > -- > * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * > RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 12:09:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13264 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:09:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13252 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:09:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id UAA07979 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:45:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA29652; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:34:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980125203430.30090@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:34:30 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sharing /var, /usr/local and /usr/X11R6 between -CURRENT and -STABLE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi ! I need some feedback from you. I want to run -current and -stable on one system. I have three 2.1 GB disks available for that purpose. Does /var have some system specific bits and bytes or could I use one /var filesys for both -current and -stable ? Same question for /usr/local and /usr/X11R6 ... If I compile /usr/X11R6 under -stable, does it run on -current ? Other way around ... if I would compile X11R6 under -current, could I use X11 under -STABLE ? I'd like to build a -current SNAP, the build is currently running ;-) After that I want to install the system using the -current SNAP, when that is done, I'll bring -STABLE onto disk 1... Disk 0: Slice 1: 900 MB DOS/Windows Slice 2: 1200 MB FreeBSD-current / data a) root-fs 32 MB b) swap 100 MB d) /var 100 MB (from -current Installation) [shared by -current & -stable] e) /usr 400 MB +/usr/src (-current) /usr/obj -> sd2s1h /usr/local -> sd1s1g g) /proxy 200 MB h) /news 200 MB Disk 1: Slice 1: 2.1 GB FreeBSD-STABLE a) root-fs 32 MB /var -> sd0s2d b) swap 100 MB g) /usr 400 MB /usr/obj -> sd2s1h h) /usr/local 1500 MB +/usr/local/X11R6 Disk 2: Slice 1: 2.1 GB Data a) /home 1800 MB +ports +distfiles b) swap 100 MB h) /usr/obj 200 MB [shared by -current & -stable] Any thought's ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 12:10:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13399 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13260 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:09:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id UAA07988; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:45:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA12004; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:43:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980125204353.52228@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:43:53 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Nate Williams Cc: Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:32:29PM -0700 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:32:29PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > Hi ! > > > > > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > > > (I assume you mean the cvs pserver mode?) Why would we want to? > > And what gives you the impression we don't support it? Our /usr/src/contrib/cvs sources looked a bit stripped down. Somewhere (I think in the OpenBSD sources) I saw a sever subdir, that I didn't see in our sources. So I was under the impression, that we were are missing something. > > pserver mode has had a few security violations in the past, and it > > wouldn't surprise me if has been turned of for that reason. > > It takes a bit of work to make pserver mode secure, and those security > precautions simply weren't taken since the remote CVS stuff doesn't work > well enough to use it on a regular basis. Ok, thanks for the info ! -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 12:10:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13609 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13568 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28990; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028986; Sun Jan 25 12:09:21 1998 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Andreas Klemm cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? In-Reply-To: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk eh? we do.. On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > Andreas /// > > -- > Andreas Klemm > powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 12:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16636 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16514 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:36:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06685; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29032; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:35:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:35:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199801252035.NAA29032@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Nate Williams , Andreas Klemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? In-Reply-To: <19980125205400.52069@follo.net> References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> <19980125203750.05884@follo.net> <199801251943.MAA28850@mt.sri.com> <19980125205400.52069@follo.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Eivind Eklund writes: > On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:43:23PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > With the number of other security problems > > > it has had (allowing remote execution), I wouldn't consider that > > > secure, either - any kernel security hole that can be exploited by a > > > user program could still be abused. > > > > Umm, what kind of remote execution problems are you speaking of? > > PSERVER mode allows you to connet to a port and do remote CVS commands. > > Are you confusing PSERVER mode with standard RCVS mode which requires > > remote shell access? > > No, definately not. pserver mode allow the user to overwrite the CVS > wrappers, which again allow access to executing binaries. Nope, not if you know how to setup things in CVSROOT correctly. > This is a > security hole (of the same magnitude as allowing the user to execute > binaries directly). True, but it's not a security hole if you know how to set things up and read the information in the CVS distribution on it. > (IIRC, permissions can be walked around in pserver mode. I don't > remember quite how, though). They *could* be walked around, but that bug was fixed at about V1.9.6 I believe (and FreeBSD using 1.9.10 which is secure if the above number is correct..) > Besides, a restricted 'cvs server' shell is much easier to set up and > administer than 'cvs pserver' mode :-) Not really. 'cvs pserver' is piece of cake to setup *IF* you know what you are doing. :) :) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 12:37:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16813 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16547 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06708; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29040; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:36:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:36:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199801252036.NAA29040@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Andreas Klemm Cc: Nate Williams , Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? In-Reply-To: <19980125204353.52228@klemm.gtn.com> References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> <19980125204353.52228@klemm.gtn.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > > > > > (I assume you mean the cvs pserver mode?) Why would we want to? > > > > And what gives you the impression we don't support it? > > Our /usr/src/contrib/cvs sources looked a bit stripped down. > Somewhere (I think in the OpenBSD sources) I saw a sever subdir, OpenBSD has made many changes to their copy of CVS (in particular the anonCVS stuff), so that may be what you are seeing. > that I didn't see in our sources. So I was under the impression, > that we were are missing something. The OpenBSD CVS sources aren't stock (or at least weren't last time I looked at them.) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 13:31:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20487 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:31:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net ([200.38.135.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20462; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:30:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from mc.mexcom.net (ppp-7.mexcom.net [206.103.65.199]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA14445; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:30:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34CBB04E.794BDF32@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:36:14 -0600 From: eculp Organization: MexCom X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-971226-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: stable list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Could someone tell me if the stable list is working? Thanks ed From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 14:07:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23320 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23287; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:07:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from albast@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs2.xs4all.nl (albast@xs2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.43]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id XAA26512; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:07:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (from albast@localhost) by xs2.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA14890; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:07:36 +0100 (MET) From: albast Message-Id: <199801252207.XAA14890@xs2.xs4all.nl> Subject: Where's gcvt(3) ?? To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:07:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Why doesn't FreeBSD (2.2.5) include gcvt(3), which converts a floating-point number to a string? I need this one in order to use YACL (http://www.cs.sc.edu/~sridhar/yacl.html) on my FreeBSD system. On a completely different issue; your font documentation states there is no truetype support for X available. To use truetype fonts you can use the Freetype library. ImageMagick 4.0 for instance, has support for the current Freetype library. Freetype(-current) can be found at: ftp://ftp.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/pub/freetype/devel/ A TrueType fontserver for X can be found at: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/fonts/ Enjoy, --Jeroen From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 14:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23464 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:08:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.31.78.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23434 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:08:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA14970; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:08:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> cc: tech_help_drivers Subject: Re: Future Domain SCSI Drivers - TMC-1680 ISA cards with 18C30 & 18C50 chips In-Reply-To: <199801250432_MC2-308D-994D@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Bruce Vandiver wrote: > equipment will help expand the user base for FreeBSD. Therefore the > creation of the drivers and hardware support I need should be important to > the FreeBSD community. The 1680 is a complete dog. Get a real SCSI card. Adaptec 1540s are well supported and very inexpensive. I've you've got a PCI system, pick up an SC200 (An NCR/Symbios 810 based device_) If you really want device support for this device, write the drivers yourself. Nobody else seems to think that the time investment is worth it for those cards. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 14:47:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27664 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:47:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27648 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27333; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd027319; Sun Jan 25 15:47:28 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14624; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:47:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801252247.PAA14624@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:47:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, doka@grunt.vl.net.ua, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav" at Jan 25, 98 05:02:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > There is diff to /usr/src/usr.bin/login below. It adds shell arguments > > > processing to login, i.e. you can use arguments in shell field of > > > /etc/passwd. For example: > > > > Did anyone have any comments on this? It looks basically sound modulo > > some style issues (and login is a cesspit in that regard anyway), and > > does indeed offer some value-add. > > If I may offer an opinion, the only use I can see for that is if a > user's shell is set to something else than an actual shell (for > instance, if you create an information account with a shell that > simply offers an information menu without actually giving you access > to the system; some ISPs I know of do that). But I can't really see a > reason *not* to do it. I can. The patch, as presented, is incomplete. To be complete, you would need to patch everything that references the pw_shell field and the /etc/shells file and denies shells not in that list, to look only so far as the space. Like chpass, finger, passwd, getusershell, pwd_mkdb, and maybe vipw. It also seems to me that the superuser would want the ability to turn this off in login.conf; I can imagine one or two security holes you might be able to create using this in a general way, where you let the user pick the arguments. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 14:50:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28119 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28102; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25742; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:49:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:49:54 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: albast cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's gcvt(3) ?? In-Reply-To: <199801252207.XAA14890@xs2.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, albast wrote: > Hi, > > Why doesn't FreeBSD (2.2.5) include gcvt(3), which converts > a floating-point number to a string? I don't know about gcvt. Isn't that really easy to do with sprintf, tho? > > I need this one in order to use YACL (http://www.cs.sc.edu/~sridhar/yacl.html) > on my FreeBSD system. > > On a completely different issue; your font documentation states there is > no truetype support for X available. True. > To use truetype fonts you can use the Freetype library. It's still true. XFree86 doesn't support it directly. The truetype stuff thru Freetype is really new, and not integrated into XFree86. Why don't you think about writing a port and adding it to FreeBSD? > ImageMagick 4.0 for instance, has support for the current Freetype library. > > Freetype(-current) can be found at: > ftp://ftp.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/pub/freetype/devel/ > > A TrueType fontserver for X can be found at: > ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/fonts/ > > Enjoy, > --Jeroen > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 16:09:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04658 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:09:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy-bsb.gns.com.br (e9lNrh9Vp2J6ZOflrC+0cmq0XPk4ktme@srv1-bsb.GNS.com.br [200.239.56.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04645 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@gns.com.br) Received: (qmail 29288 invoked from network); 26 Jan 1998 00:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO srv1-bsb.gns.com.br) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 26 Jan 1998 00:05:08 -0000 Received: (from mail@localhost) by srv1-bsb.gns.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29284; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:05:08 -0200 (EDT) Received: from dl0235-bsb.gns.com.br(200.239.56.235) by srv1-bsb.gns.com.br via smap (V2.0) id xma029258; Sun, 25 Jan 98 22:04:26 -0200 Received: (from dcs@localhost) by daniel.sobral (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA00740; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:52:13 -0200 (EDT) From: "Daniel C. Sobral" Message-Id: <199801251452.MAA00740@daniel.sobral> Subject: uiomove() In-Reply-To: <199801241656.IAA24947@hub.freebsd.org> from freebsd-hackers-digest at "Jan 24, 98 08:56:16 am" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:52:12 -0200 (EDT) Disclaimer: Klaatu Barada Nikto! X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > OK. Here's a more "politically correct" read() routine. You should be > able to mirror this into a write() fairly easily. > [snip] > if (result = ERESTART) > if (got == 0) > result = 0; > else > result = EINTR; [snip] > > You might want to always convert ERESTART to EINTR (always error on > interrupt), but that becomes more complex as you may already have > consumed data from the read buffer, which may throw your caller out of > sync. > > Another approach is to ignore ERESTART, ie. never return a short count. > That's also quite legitimate with the above code, ie. > > if (result == ERESTART) > result = 0; I don't quite get it. My code can actually restart at any point, except for struture uio. What's the _purpose_ of ERESTART? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@gns.com.br There was a young gaucho named Bruno Who said, "There is one thing I do know, Women are fine And children devine, But the llama is numero uno." From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 16:59:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08099 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:59:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08091 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00436; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:02 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801260051.LAA00436@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Julian Elischer cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav , Mike Smith , Vladimir Litovka , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:50:50 -0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:01 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > will it allow a user to arbrarily run somethign bt just prefixing it with > a known shell? Login becomes the user before invoking the shell; it would't let them run anything they couldn't run already. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 17:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08680 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:02:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08667 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xwcgd-00065L-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:46:03 -0800 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Dave Marquardt cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPv6 In-Reply-To: <85zpkk1n0h.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 25 Jan 1998, Dave Marquardt wrote: > Currently IBM uses socks and HTTP proxies, but it's conceivable that > someday IBM might start using more modern firewalls, that would allow > the 9 addresses out to the Internet directly. Why would they want to do that? Proxies help to hide the internal addresses. If the internal addresses are hidden, why use allocated IP address space at all? Seems very wastely. InterNIC seems to agree with me, as they won't allocate blocks unless 25% are connected to the Internet immediately, and 50% within a year. > -Dave Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 17:07:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09948 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:07:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09910 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00484; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:30:20 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801260100.LAA00484@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uiomove() In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:52:12 -0200." <199801251452.MAA00740@daniel.sobral> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:30:20 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Another approach is to ignore ERESTART, ie. never return a short count. > > That's also quite legitimate with the above code, ie. > > > > if (result == ERESTART) > > result = 0; > > I don't quite get it. My code can actually restart at any point, > except for struture uio. What's the _purpose_ of ERESTART? It should really be "continue", not "restart". ERESTART tells you that the caller has set SA_RESTART for the signal that was delivered, and wants system calls interrupted by that signal not to return EINTR. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 17:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11345 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:18:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11336; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00582; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:41:12 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801260111.LAA00582@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: albast cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's gcvt(3) ?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:07:36 BST." <199801252207.XAA14890@xs2.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:41:12 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Why doesn't FreeBSD (2.2.5) include gcvt(3), which converts > a floating-point number to a string? What is there that gcvt does that the *printf() family don't? > I need this one in order to use YACL (http://www.cs.sc.edu/~sridhar/yacl.html) > on my FreeBSD system. Should be a trivial patch, if that's all it needs. You might prod the YACL maintainer to avoid the use of platform-specific quirks. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 17:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12698 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:21:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12597 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16719; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801260120.RAA16719@austin.polstra.com> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: gdb which supports elf? In-Reply-To: <199801182249.OAA20045@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199801182249.OAA20045@rah.star-gate.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:20:39 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199801182249.OAA20045@rah.star-gate.com>, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Howdy, > I dowloaded John's elfkit and it seems to work rather nicely. > Made a minor mod to rtld.c, got rid of this: > > assert(!obj_rtld.textrel); > > When loading a shared binary the assert was being triggered > and from the looks of it obj_rtld.textrel was set to 1 meaning > that the text region is relocatable. You shouldn't delete the assert. It means something is wrong with the way you built the dynamic linker or with the tools you used to build it. There should _not_ be any text relocations in the dynamic linker. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 17:28:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14527 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14516 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16818; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:28:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801260128.RAA16818@austin.polstra.com> To: garbanzo@hooked.net Subject: Re: elf and -current In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:28:27 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article , Alex wrote: > In case anyone else is still following this thread, according to > ian@cygnus.com, the nm patch was rejected because it breaks POSIX.2 > compliance, and doesn't follow the SunOS practice, and there are no plans > to integrate it into a newer binutils. Perhaps something's broken on > this end then? Hmm. Not broken really, but what we need to do is change our "lorder" utility so that it works with either output format from nm. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 17:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16587 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16574; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18713; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:17:04 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA04176; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:17:04 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980126121703.20350@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:17:03 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: albast , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's gcvt(3) ?? References: <199801252207.XAA14890@xs2.xs4all.nl> <199801260111.LAA00582@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801260111.LAA00582@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 11:41:12AM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 11:41:12AM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> Why doesn't FreeBSD (2.2.5) include gcvt(3), which converts >> a floating-point number to a string? > > What is there that gcvt does that the *printf() family don't? Nothing, if I recall correctly. Some systems (at least MIPS) use *cvt() (where * is a subset of the format characters) as part of the implementation of *printf(). For some reason, this implementation is bypassing the *printf() layer. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 21:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08126 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plugcom.ru (uucp@radiance.plugcom.ru [195.2.73.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08118 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from usr02.primenet.com!tlambert@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (uucp@localhost) by plugcom.ru (8.8.7/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA16147 for freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:50:01 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id IAA10570; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:29:35 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by plugcom.ru (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06510; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:35:29 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25337; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:35:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd025329; Sun Jan 25 15:35:19 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14069; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:35:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801252235.PAA14069@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Ethernet_802.2 and IPX To: tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru (Alex Povolotsky) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:35:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers@minas-tirith.pol.ru In-Reply-To: <199801251206.PAA08837@minas-tirith.pol.ru> from "Alex Povolotsky" at Jan 25, 98 03:06:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Why doesn't IPX support frame types other than Ethernet_II? Is there any > black magic involved? Are there any description on making IPX router > (IPXrouted says nothing on how-to)? Nobody has written 802.3 LLC code (well, someone did, and implemented NetBEUI using it, over at Mitre, but the code isn't released yet). It is mostly there in the FDDI code... this is the same thing preventing use of token ring drivers. You can build a driver, but you can't make it talk to other machines without the right LLC. People have reported working on 802.3 IPX; check the list archives. I'm certainly not authoritative about whether one of these people has completed the code. 8-). Even so, Novell screwed up the 802.3 frame type usage by IPX. Instead of putting the right value in the length field and putting an encapsulated header containing the protocol type, they put the protocol type in the length field. A host can distibguish this because the protocol type is a high enough number that it would result in an illegally large packet. This is a kludge, and it's not a very good idea to use 802.3 IPX because of this. Most NetWare servers can do both frame types simultaneously, and you can run both frame types on the same wire successfully. One major advantage is that you can run NetWare for UNIX and Pathworks for VMS (NetWare) if you use Ethernrt II IPX. If you don't run Ethernet II, then you will have to load dual stacks on some NetWare server so it can act as a gateway. The Ethernet II IPX machines will not be able to respond to "GetNearestServer" requests. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 22:31:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12482 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12476 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt83.wcc.net [208.10.139.83]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA20673; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:28:14 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id AAA02183; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:30:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:30:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801260630.AAA02183@detlev.UUCP> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801251158.WAA00285@word.smith.net.au> (message from Mike Smith on Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:28:26 +1030) Subject: Re: Splash screen (splashkit) for 3.0 systems... From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801251158.WAA00285@word.smith.net.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Well, enough of that, I've gotten in the mood to write a graphical >> *SOMETHING* now, so I'll probably be submitting a graphical >> screensaver RSN. > OK, where is it? 8) It's presently only on my machine. And it still doesn't work. I have identified the two major root problem areas: * I don't know much about syscons * I don't know anything about register- and memory-level VGA programming Naturally, these are making development nontrivial. On the other hand, when I'm done, then people will have a decent template for a graphical screensaver. Now, I am presently heavily RTFSing to learn everything i ever wanted to know about syscons. As for the VGA programming, I have been going over libvgl and syscons sources, but they are not particularly enlightening. I am also occasionally looking on the WWW for a decent "VGA Hacking For Dummies" web site. I have also been considering making the screen saver a separate process. The major win for this is that it would be pageable, which would be a Good Thing for screensavers that have large memory requirements (eg, bitmaps, renders, etc.) Comments on this idea? Anybody who knows syscons and libvgl is welcome to go over the source and help me make it work. Meanwhile, I continue to RTFS and post to -hackers when I figure out the right questions to ask. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 23:07:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15002 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:07:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14992 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:07:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02063 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:06:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801260706.XAA02063@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: apsfilter and cover page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:06:57 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone know how to enable printing of a nice cover for print listings? I tried playing with printcap's sh option but no joy. My printer is an HP LaserJet MP postscript... Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 25 23:32:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19186 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:32:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ibd.dbio.ro (ibd.dbio.ro [193.231.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19173 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from calin@ibd.dbio.ro) Received: from localhost (calin@localhost) by ibd.dbio.ro (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA21237 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:36:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from calin@ibd.dbio.ro) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:36:21 +0200 (EET) From: Calin Andrian To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BackUPS Monitor In-Reply-To: <5248.885565155.26643001.21550@> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Bruce M. Walter wrote: > What I propose is this: If the device driver supports multiple status flags > (i.e. status_powerfail, status_lowbattery and status_cablecheck OR'd > together) on the read AND can shutdown the inverter the way the kernel > gods want it to, the actual program that monitors that device is totally > irrelevant. If we can get a device driver together which is 100% solid, > then who cares if it's backupsd or apcmon that monitors the device? If > someone would commit it, it would be in the operating system once and > for all and we'd all have a flexible working solution. > I new from the very beginning that what I wrote was meant to be included in a more sophisticated UPS monitor (if at all). My problem was that I needed the minimal thing to do the job. As soon as I got it working, the next night we had some power outages and we survived ! We "upgraded" our system from Interactive 4.1 to FreeBSD 2.2.5 at the beggining of the year and this was the main thing that was missing. On the other hand, I don't really have the time to develop it much further. I am now working on starting up a www site based on MetaHTML on the above-mentioned 2.2.5 server. It's a lot of fun ! So, I think you should include in your work whatever you think is significant from what I wrote. We have here only APC back-upses and I don't know how other upses work. Or, could you send me your work ? (best would be in ftp:://ftp.dbio.ro/incoming). I'd like to look at it. About the kernel patch: I don't have the 3.0 sources. It seems that the guys have a cpu_power_down() that is willing to do the job. See the mail from Mike Smith a few days ago on -hackers. Regards, Calin From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 00:14:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23382 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:14:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23342 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id JAA09499; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:00:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA15696; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:36:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980126083622.14648@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:36:22 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Nate Williams Cc: Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> <19980125204353.52228@klemm.gtn.com> <199801252036.NAA29040@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801252036.NAA29040@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 01:36:29PM -0700 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 01:36:29PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > > > > > > > (I assume you mean the cvs pserver mode?) Why would we want to? > > > > > > And what gives you the impression we don't support it? > > > > Our /usr/src/contrib/cvs sources looked a bit stripped down. > > Somewhere (I think in the OpenBSD sources) I saw a sever subdir, > > OpenBSD has made many changes to their copy of CVS (in particular the > anonCVS stuff), so that may be what you are seeing. That's it... > The OpenBSD CVS sources aren't stock (or at least weren't last time I > looked at them.) Since they claim to be a very secure OS, it may be worth looking at their changes. -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 00:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25172 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:25:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25164 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19082; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:55:19 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA05253; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:55:18 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980126185518.34759@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:55:18 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? References: <9801251833.AA17364@acd.ufrj.br> <19980126080526.33565@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980126080526.33565@uriah.heep.sax.de>; from J Wunsch on Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 08:05:26AM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk (following up to -hackers) On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 08:05:26AM +0100, J Wunsch wrote: > As Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > >> I want to burn a CD-R with long filenames. Is it possible to make >> one that could work both under Win95 and Unix ? > > Should be possible. > >> I plan to use Adaptec EZCDPro2 to make the ISO image, if that matters. > > I have no idea about this one. Does it run on FreeBSD? :-) > > I think there are Joliet patches around for mkisofs, i'm not sure > whether they have already been integrated into the latest official > version, however. Can you give us Great Uninformed a pointer to what Joliet is, and how it differs from RockRidge? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 00:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26263 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:37:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grunt.vl.net.ua (daemon@grunt.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA26245 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from news@grunt.vl.net.ua) Received: from news by grunt.vl.net.ua with local (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xwk0k-0001qZ-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:35:18 +0200 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability Date: 26 Jan 1998 10:35:17 +0200 Message-ID: <6ahhs5$6tq$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970930; i386 FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE] X-Via: News-To-Mail v1.0 From: Vladimir Litovka Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In maillist.freebsd.hackers Terry Lambert wrote: > I can. The patch, as presented, is incomplete. > To be complete, you would need to patch everything that references the > pw_shell field and the /etc/shells file and denies shells not in that > list, to look only so far as the space. > Like chpass, finger, passwd, getusershell, pwd_mkdb, and maybe vipw. IMHO, there is no matter for any utils, that only _changes_ shell field. For example, vipw (and pwd_mkdb consequently) works absolutely correct - it doesn't any checks for shell. The same for finger, as I understand. There is need to patch utils, that use shell field for execution: login, su (what else? - I can't remember). I'm going to patch su in nearest time and post all patch here. > It also seems to me that the superuser would want the ability to turn > this off in login.conf; I can imagine one or two security holes you > might be able to create using this in a general way, where you let > the user pick the arguments. Only root can run vipw and chsh checks shell field. So, unprivileged user can't add arguments to shell (via chsh util; may be can with another?). Root knows, what to do or not to do? ;) -- Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua ---------------- Don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 01:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29325 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29279 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:11:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no (2602@gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.40]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id KAA29535 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:11:57 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:11:56 +0100 (MET) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <16061.885755982.1@time.cdrom.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 26 Jan 1998 10:11:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:19:42 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > February, as is usually the custom. If you want something merged > into the 2.2 branch in preparation for 2.2.6, DO IT NOW. With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file I/O in kernel land. Could somebody give me a hint before i go berserk and read the entire kernel source to find out? :) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 01:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00411 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00404 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:20:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no (2602@gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.40]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id KAA00818; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:19:32 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:19:32 +0100 (MET) To: joelh@gnu.org Cc: mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splash screen (splashkit) for 3.0 systems... References: <199801251158.WAA00285@word.smith.net.au> <199801260630.AAA02183@detlev.UUCP> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 26 Jan 1998 10:19:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: Joel Ray Holveck's message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:30:57 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck writes: > > > Well, enough of that, I've gotten in the mood to write a graphical > > > *SOMETHING* now, so I'll probably be submitting a graphical > > > screensaver RSN. > > OK, where is it? 8) > It's presently only on my machine. And it still doesn't work. I have > identified the two major root problem areas: > * I don't know much about syscons > * I don't know anything about register- and memory-level VGA > programming I took the mode-switching code out of splashkit and merged it with fade_saver_mod. I'll submit RSN... -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 01:33:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01561 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01555 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 10226 on Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:33:25 GMT; id JAA10226 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27363 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:35:11 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801260935.KAA27363@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Is it possible to .. Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:35:11 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk send/receive udp (broadcast) packets when you don't know your IP nr. yet? It must be possible since bootp does it, but how? Anyone with pointers or answers? Thanks. Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 01:40:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02320 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:40:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA02313 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA06790; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:10:17 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801260810.JAA06790@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Is it possible to .. To: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:10:16 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801260935.KAA27363@bowtie.nl> from "Marc van Kempen" at Jan 26, 98 10:34:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > send/receive udp (broadcast) packets when you don't know > your IP nr. yet? It must be possible since bootp does it, > but how? look at the netboot or kernel_bootp sources (the latter in /sys/nfs i believe). It uses a local ip of 0.0.0.0 (for kernel bootp, it probably assigns this address to the local interface first.) luigi From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 02:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04569 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:05:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04561 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no (2602@gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.40]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA08068; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:05:00 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:04:59 +0100 (MET) To: marc@bowtie.nl Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it possible to .. References: <199801260935.KAA27363@bowtie.nl> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 26 Jan 1998 11:04:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: Marc van Kempen's message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:35:11 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Marc van Kempen writes: > send/receive udp (broadcast) packets when you don't know > your IP nr. yet? It must be possible since bootp does it, > but how? According to RFC 951 (Bootstrap protocol), a client which does not know its own IP address sets the source address of the bootrequest to 0.0.0.0. The server sets the yiaddr (Your Ip ADDRess) field in the bootreply packet to the client's IP address. The reply is sent to the broadcast address at a reserved port so that other hosts that see the bootreply are not confused by it. Obviously, if you know the underlying hardware protocol, you can do better than that. In most cases (take Ethernet as an example), the server shouldn't need to actually broadcast the bootreply, since it knows the MAC address of the requesting host; but the destination IP address should still be set to the broadcast address, otherwise the client will drop the packet as 'not for me'. If what you really meant to ask is "how do I use a network interface before it's configured", you can always ifconfig with a bogus address (0.0.0.0), enable promiscuous mode, and then use bpf to bypass the TCP/IP stack and "roll your own packets". Again, this requires knowledge of the underlying hardware protocol. Ethernet should be simple enough; read /sys/net/ethernet.h and /sys/net/if_ethersubr.c. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 03:42:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA10998 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:42:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA10991 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 23257 on Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:42:21 GMT; id LAA23257 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28747; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:43:24 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801261143.MAA28747@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) cc: marc@bowtie.nl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it possible to .. In-reply-to: dag-erli's message of 26 Jan 1998 11:04:59 +0100. Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:43:24 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [snip] > If what you really meant to ask is "how do I use a network interface > before it's configured", you can always ifconfig with a bogus address > (0.0.0.0), enable promiscuous mode, and then use bpf to bypass the > TCP/IP stack and "roll your own packets". Again, this requires > knowledge of the underlying hardware protocol. Ethernet should be > simple enough; read /sys/net/ethernet.h and /sys/net/if_ethersubr.c. > = Thank you, that is exactly what I meant. Ethernet support is all I need. BTW, how do I enable promiscuous mode? Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology = Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 = fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 04:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17515 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:56:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17507 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:56:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02692; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:53:32 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34CB51E7.978872C4@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:53:28 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Klemm CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > You mean create cvsroot and add the line in inetd.conf ? > Andreas /// > > -- > Andreas Klemm > powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 05:06:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19059 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:06:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19043 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:05:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id OAA13899; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:05:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:05:53 +0100 (MET) To: marc@bowtie.nl Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it possible to .. References: <199801261143.MAA28747@bowtie.nl> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 26 Jan 1998 14:05:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: Marc van Kempen's message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:43:24 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Marc van Kempen writes: > > If what you really meant to ask is "how do I use a network interface > > before it's configured", you can always ifconfig with a bogus address > > (0.0.0.0), enable promiscuous mode, and then use bpf to bypass the > > TCP/IP stack and "roll your own packets". Again, this requires > > knowledge of the underlying hardware protocol. Ethernet should be > > simple enough; read /sys/net/ethernet.h and /sys/net/if_ethersubr.c. > > Thank you, that is exactly what I meant. > Ethernet support is all I need. > > BTW, how do I enable promiscuous mode? You need to set the PROMISC flag on the interface. Once you have an open descriptor to a bpf device, and have selected an interface with the BIOCSETIF ioctl, you can enable promiscuous mode by issuing a BIOCPROMISC ioctl (no argument required) on the bpf descriptor. AFAIK the only way to switch out of promiscuous mode is to detach the bpf descriptor from the interface, can anybody confirm or deny that? Garrett? Anyway, you can never be certain that an interface is *not* in promiscuous mode, since somebody else may have switched it on. When you close the bpf descriptor, bpfclose() calls bpf_detachd() which disables promiscuous mode if it was enabled (or rather, calls ifpromisc() which decrements the interface's pcount and disables promiscuous mode if it reaches 0). All the other dirty details of bpf programming can be gleaned from the bpf(4) man page and the kernel source code (/sys/net/bpf.c and /sys/net/if.c are particularly relevant) There is also a paper on bpf from USENIX 93 or something - which I of course don't have a copy of here, but the URL to a PostScript version of that paper as well as a lot of other useful pointers are listed in the tcpdump(1) README (/usr/src/contrib/tcpdump/README) Does that answer your question? :) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 05:35:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21093 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21088 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arjan@jak.nl) Received: from jaknl by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <9394-17374>; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:35:00 +0100 Received: from jak.nl ([192.168.0.120]) by jak.nl (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA00187 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:25:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34CC8EBD.66E3DA30@jak.nl> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:25:17 +0100 From: Arjan Knepper Organization: JAK++ Software Development B.V. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers FreeBSD Subject: Hylafax-v4.0pl1 on FreeBSD2.2.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Anybody have experience with Hylafax? After installing and configurng still get the "exited on Signal 11" message when I try to acces hfaxd. I dowloaded the sources and recompiled it without any succes :-<< I need some help/suggestions arjan@jak.nl From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 06:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24046 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA24041 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id JAA13908 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:04:28 -0500 From: "Ross Potts" Message-Id: <9801260904.ZM13087@unknown.zmail.host> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:04:13 -0500 X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PnP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm looking at the latest 2.2-SNAP release notes and I see that PnP is being used. Was it included in -RELEASE or do I need to download it? Whatever the answer, please let me know where it is located. I have the 4 disc set if it's in there. -- UNIX Rules!!! Ross Potts Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : 5203 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church, VA 22041 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 06:13:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24911 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:13:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (root@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24902 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta11/3.6W) with ESMTP id XAA26782; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:12:41 +0900 (JST) To: Arjan Knepper cc: hackers FreeBSD In-reply-to: arjan's message of Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:25:17 +0100. <34CC8EBD.66E3DA30@jak.nl> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: Hylafax-v4.0pl1 on FreeBSD2.2.5 From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:12:41 +0900 Message-ID: <26778.885823961@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Anybody have experience with Hylafax? >After installing and configurng still get the "exited on Signal 11" >message when I try to acces hfaxd. >I dowloaded the sources and recompiled it without any succes :-<< >I need some help/suggestions how did you configure /etc/resolv.conf, and hostname? in the past there was a report that hylafax dies if gethostbyname() fails. itojun From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 06:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29649 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:48:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29644 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28187; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:45:51 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199801261445.MAA28187@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? In-Reply-To: <19980126185518.34759@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 26, 98 06:55:18 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:45:50 -0200 (EDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Greg Lehey) // On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 08:05:26AM +0100, J Wunsch wrote: // > As Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: // > // >> I want to burn a CD-R with long filenames. Is it possible to make // >> one that could work both under Win95 and Unix ? // > // > Should be possible. // > // >> I plan to use Adaptec EZCDPro2 to make the ISO image, if that matters. // > // > I have no idea about this one. Does it run on FreeBSD? :-) No, but I'd like to read the CD on FreeBSD. :) // > I think there are Joliet patches around for mkisofs, i'm not sure // > whether they have already been integrated into the latest official // > version, however. Where could I get these patches ? // // Can you give us Great Uninformed a pointer to what Joliet is, and how // it differs from RockRidge? Joliet is Microsoft way of changing the standards again, now in the CD world. Is short, is a way to store longfilenames in CDs. Why the hell they did not use RockRidge I don't know. Even if FreeBSD get support for Joliet I'd prefer to have both systems, to be able to read the CD in other flavors of Unix. There's a joliet.c in the sources of the last release version of mkisofs, but it has no code, only comments describing the format. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 07:13:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02109 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:13:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp11.portal.net.au [202.12.71.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02090 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:13:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00422; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:36:34 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801261506.BAA00422@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "26 Jan 1998 10:11:56 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:36:33 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA02105 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > February, as is usually the custom. If you want something merged > > into the 2.2 branch in preparation for 2.2.6, DO IT NOW. > > With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think > daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, > I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it > into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file > I/O in kernel land. Could somebody give me a hint before i go berserk > and read the entire kernel source to find out? :) It's extremely tedious. You'd be better off adding an ioctl hook to the screensaver module and adding an extra console ioctl to pass commands to the screensaver. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 07:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04579 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:41:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04562 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA10631; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:41:28 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:41:27 +0100 (MET) To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <199801261506.BAA00422@word.smith.net.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:41:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:36:33 +1030" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > > I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it > > into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file > > I/O in kernel land. Could somebody give me a hint before i go berserk > > and read the entire kernel source to find out? :) > It's extremely tedious. You'd be better off adding an ioctl hook to > the screensaver module and adding an extra console ioctl to pass > commands to the screensaver. I was afraid you'd say that. I think I'll just leave it the way it is for now, and add the ioctl later. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 08:06:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06933 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06915 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.4) with UUCP id QAA11078 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:04:33 GMT Received: from grimbling (cwa240 [192.168.0.240]) by cwagate (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA17863 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:23:53 GMT Message-Id: <199801261523.PAA17863@cwagate> From: "Bob Bishop" To: Subject: CD-R drives Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:24:00 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, What's the state of play with *currently available* CD-R (or CD-RW) drives on 2.2.5? The HP 6020 (which works just fne) has suddenly become unavailable here, replaced by the 7100 which is useless bcos it's not SCSI. Someone was claiming back last May that the Philips CDD2600 didn't work (on 2.2.1); anyone know different? Do the currently available Plasmon drives work? Any other bright ideas? TIA -- Bob Bishop +44 118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 08:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07410 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07399 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:08:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA15089 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:08:42 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:08:41 +0100 (MET) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IBM Thinkpad 380E Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 26 Jan 1998 17:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does anybody have any experience with running FreeBSD on a IBM Thinkpad 380E? I'm borrowing one from work for at least the next seven or eight months and have no intention of being stuck with Windows or Linux... -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 08:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08042 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08026 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:11:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA12239 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:50:31 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:50:30 +0100 (MET) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Patch to /sys/net/if.c Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I (humbly) suggest the following patch to /usr/src/sys/net/if.c: --- if.c.orig Mon Jan 26 16:36:41 1998 +++ if.c Mon Jan 26 16:37:42 1998 @@ -697,6 +697,8 @@ if (--ifp->if_pcount > 0) return (0); ifp->if_flags &= ~IFF_PROMISC; + log(LOG_INFO, "%s%d: promiscuous mode disabled\n", + ifp->if_name, ifp->if_unit); } ifr.ifr_flags = ifp->if_flags; return ((*ifp->if_ioctl)(ifp, SIOCSIFFLAGS, (caddr_t)&ifr)); This will issue a log message when promiscuous mode is disabled. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 08:26:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09930 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:26:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09923 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA30599; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:26:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: Bob Bishop Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R drives In-Reply-To: <199801261523.PAA17863@cwagate> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Someone was claiming back last May that the Philips CDD2600 didn't work (on >2.2.1); anyone know different? I think I was the one that said that, and I sweated and huffed and beat on my machine and...submitted the 3-line diff to support it. I haven't had my hands in CD-R's lately, but I imagine if you get your hands on any Phillips SCSI drive either it'll work or it should be simple to get it there. I'm less sure about others. >Do the currently available Plasmon drives work? Not sure. Brian From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 08:50:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12900 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:50:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12885 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19449; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd019447; Mon Jan 26 08:44:20 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:40:55 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk see how exec() loads a file.. On 26 Jan 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav wrote: > Mike Smith writes: > > > I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it > > > into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file > > > I/O in kernel land. Could somebody give me a hint before i go berserk > > > and read the entire kernel source to find out? :) > > It's extremely tedious. You'd be better off adding an ioctl hook to > > the screensaver module and adding an extra console ioctl to pass > > commands to the screensaver. > > I was afraid you'd say that. I think I'll just leave it the way it is > for now, and add the ioctl later. > > -- > * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * > RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 08:51:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13162 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oncomdis.on.ca (pstewart@oncomdis.on.ca [204.101.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13052 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:51:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pstewart@oncomdis.on.ca) Received: from localhost (pstewart@localhost) by oncomdis.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08260; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:42:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: pstewart To: Greg Lehey cc: Joerg Wunsch , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? In-Reply-To: <19980126185518.34759@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi there... we burn with Rockridge extensions and Joliet extensions here on one cd.. this allows long filename support in win95, and in Linux, FreeBSD etc.... We create a raw ISO 9660 image using mkoifs (spelt that wrong, sorry automated process and I don't think about it much anymore ). When creating the raw image to a file we add the Rockridge and Joliet extensions on the command line. Then we transfer that raw image over to a Windoze95 box (long story as to why) and burn it using the latest Easy CD Deluxe. Please note that we had to download the very very latest version from the Adaptec site to make it work though.. the boxed commercial version lacks ISO image writing. Hope this helps, Paul -- Out the modem, through the SPARC, down the T3, off the router, past the frame-relay... nothing but Net. On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > (following up to -hackers) > > On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 08:05:26AM +0100, J Wunsch wrote: > > As Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > > >> I want to burn a CD-R with long filenames. Is it possible to make > >> one that could work both under Win95 and Unix ? > > > > Should be possible. > > > >> I plan to use Adaptec EZCDPro2 to make the ISO image, if that matters. > > > > I have no idea about this one. Does it run on FreeBSD? :-) > > > > I think there are Joliet patches around for mkisofs, i'm not sure > > whether they have already been integrated into the latest official > > version, however. > > Can you give us Great Uninformed a pointer to what Joliet is, and how > it differs from RockRidge? > > Greg > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 09:02:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15292 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:02:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamespot.com (ns2.gamespot.com [206.169.18.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15224 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:02:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ian@gamespot.com) Received: from localhost (ian@localhost) by gamespot.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA18389 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:02:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:02:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Kallen To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CD-R: Yamaha CRW4001t-NB Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I acquired a one of these (this was supposed to replace my misbehaving Phillips CDD2000) but it is not SCSI... now I heard that it works under Linux using cdrecord with 'ATAPI - SCSI Hostadapter emulation' (quoting the author of cdrecord). Any idea wtf that is and how to configure the 2.2.5 kernel to do it? thanks, -Ian -- Ian Kallen ian@gamespot.com Director of Technology and Web Administration SpotMedia Communications http://www.gamespot.com/ http://www.videogamespot.com/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 09:22:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19260 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:22:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19241 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:22:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13699; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:22:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA01440; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:22:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:22:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199801261722.KAA01440@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Andreas Klemm Cc: Nate Williams , Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not CVS server support ? In-Reply-To: <19980126083622.14648@klemm.gtn.com> References: <19980125175618.10691@klemm.gtn.com> <19980125183247.09801@follo.net> <199801251932.MAA28784@mt.sri.com> <19980125204353.52228@klemm.gtn.com> <199801252036.NAA29040@mt.sri.com> <19980126083622.14648@klemm.gtn.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > > Why don't we support cvs server in the base OS ? > > > > > > Our /usr/src/contrib/cvs sources looked a bit stripped down. > > > Somewhere (I think in the OpenBSD sources) I saw a sever subdir, > > > > OpenBSD has made many changes to their copy of CVS (in particular the > > anonCVS stuff), so that may be what you are seeing. > > That's it... > > > The OpenBSD CVS sources aren't stock (or at least weren't last time I > > looked at them.) > > Since they claim to be a very secure OS, it may be worth looking > at their changes. Their changes were for anonCVS support, which is not acceptable to the CVS maintainers because the checked out bits aren't guaranteed to be consistant among themselves. (We have a guarantee that each directory is consistant within itself, but using anonCVS there is no such guarantee, and this change is unacceptable to the CVS folks.) I doubt that the OpenBSD bits are any more secure than the cyclic bits in the 'normal' operating mode. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 09:34:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21002 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shaman.lycaeum.org (shaman.lycaeum.org [207.66.171.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20979; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org) Received: from localhost (edmond@localhost) by shaman.lycaeum.org (Partyon/dude!) with SMTP id KAA09142; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:37:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:37:24 -0700 (MST) From: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" To: port-i386@netbsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RealNetworks supports FreeBSD! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk There is now a FreeBSD version of the RealPlayer 5.0, free for download from RealNetworks website at www.real.com. Perhaps this belongs in the ports collection as well? Andy ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: \-/ :::::::: Andrew N. Edmond - finger for PGP key :::::::::: \-/ /-\ :::::: ............ :::::: /-\ \-/ ::: edmond@lycaeum.org :::::: an1@anon.nymserver.com ::: \-/ /-\ : Director of the Lycaeum :: the Nymserver Administrator : /-\ \-/ ::: www.lycaeum.org :::::: www.nymserver.com ::: \-/ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 10:12:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27670 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:12:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27590 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:11:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14040; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:11:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01727; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:11:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:11:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199801261811.LAA01727@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Bob Bishop" Cc: Subject: Re: CD-R drives In-Reply-To: <199801261523.PAA17863@cwagate> References: <199801261523.PAA17863@cwagate> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Someone was claiming back last May that the Philips CDD2600 didn't work (on > 2.2.1); anyone know different? My Philips worked last time I tested it, but I haven't tested it in a couple of months. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 10:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01838 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [198.180.136.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01824; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:39:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from langfod@caliban.dihelix.com) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id IAA13489; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:38:42 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199801261838.IAA13489@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: RealNetworks supports FreeBSD! In-Reply-To: from "Andrew N. Edmond" at "Jan 26, 98 10:37:24 am" To: edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org (Andrew N. Edmond) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:38:42 -1000 (HST) Cc: port-i386@netbsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Really? Since when does 3.0 equal 5.0 ? >There is now a FreeBSD version of the RealPlayer 5.0, free for download >from RealNetworks website at www.real.com. Perhaps this belongs in the >ports collection as well? > >Andy > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >\-/ :::::::: Andrew N. Edmond - finger for PGP key :::::::::: \-/ >/-\ :::::: ............ :::::: /-\ >\-/ ::: edmond@lycaeum.org :::::: an1@anon.nymserver.com ::: \-/ >/-\ : Director of the Lycaeum :: the Nymserver Administrator : /-\ >\-/ ::: www.lycaeum.org :::::: www.nymserver.com ::: \-/ > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 10:40:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02207 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:40:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cozumel.saidev.com (cozumel.saidev.com [207.67.52.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02170 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:40:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from derek@cozumel.saidev.com) Received: (from derek@localhost) by cozumel.saidev.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA13530; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:38:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980126123856.15314@saidev.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:38:56 -0600 From: Derek Inksetter To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? References: <19980126185518.34759@lemis.com> <199801261445.MAA28187@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801261445.MAA28187@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br>; from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis on Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 12:45:50PM -0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joao Carlos Mendes Luis allegedly wrote: > // > I think there are Joliet patches around for mkisofs, i'm not sure > // > whether they have already been integrated into the latest official > // > version, however. > > Where could I get these patches ? http://www.ps.ucl.ac.uk/~jcpearso/mkhybrid.html It is a modified version of mkisofs that supports Joliet and Mac HFS file systems. I've used it to write a RockRidge and Joliet disk, both with long file names, and it seemed to work. (Just on a simple test CD) I have no experience with the reliability of it for production CDs, though. I believe development on it has stopped, and it's actively being rolled into the next release of mkisofs (1.12?). You can still get mkhybrid, though. Derek -- Derek Inksetter "It is easier to port a shell than a shell script." --Larry Wall From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 10:40:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02225 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:40:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02178 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23137 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd023135; Mon Jan 26 10:35:29 1998 Message-ID: <34CCD6A3.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:32:04 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: can't check in.. (with reason) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk the messages I got were: /tmp/cvs001362: 14 lines, 501 characters. Cannot open /tmp/#cvs.files.lastdir.17885, stopped at /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/commit_prep.pl line 78, chunk 2. commit_prep.pl failed! cvs server: Pre-commit check failed Cannot open /tmp/#cvs.files.lastdir.17885, stopped at /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/commit_prep.pl line 78, chunk 2. commit_prep.pl failed! looking at /tmp on freefall I see: -rw-r--r-- 1 steve bin 27 Jan 25 09:27 #cvs.files.lastdir.17885 looks like PIDs wrapped. maybe the perl scripts should clean up after themselves? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 11:44:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11993 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:44:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net ([200.38.135.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11708; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA07409; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:26:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34CCE4D1.6CFEB832@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:32:33 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" CC: port-i386@netbsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealNetworks supports FreeBSD! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Andrew N. Edmond (Nero) wrote: > > There is now a FreeBSD version of the RealPlayer 5.0, free for download > from RealNetworks website at www.real.com. Perhaps this belongs in the > ports collection as well? > > Andy > It would be a heck of a lot easier to find:-) ed From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 11:48:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13262 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bootp.sls.usu.edu (bootp.sls.usu.edu [129.123.15.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13218 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu) Received: (from kurto@localhost) by bootp.sls.usu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id MAA06570; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:47:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:47:53 -0700 (MST) From: Kurt Olsen Message-Id: <199801261947.MAA06570@bootp.sls.usu.edu> To: grog@lemis.com, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Version 1.12 (I think, it's the next release due anyway) of mkisofs is going to support Joliet. Look for mkhfs or mkhybrid on your favorite www search engine. They have a pre-release version out that has macintosh HFS in it. I had to take out the mac support but after that I was able to burn cd's with rr and joliet namespaces. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 12:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16744 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jaguar.ir.miami.edu (jaguar.ir.miami.edu [129.171.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16673; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@miami.edu) Received: from localhost by jaguar.ir.miami.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24029) with SMTP id <0ENE00901QA09Z@jaguar.ir.miami.edu>; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:01:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:01:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Joe \"Marcus\" Clarke" Subject: Re: RealNetworks supports FreeBSD! In-reply-to: <199801261838.IAA13489@caliban.dihelix.com> To: David Langford Cc: "Andrew N. Edmond" , port-i386@netbsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Yeah, I just looked, and RealAudio 3.0 is the latest version for both static and dynamically linked FreeBSDs. Joe Clarke On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, David Langford wrote: > Really? Since when does 3.0 equal 5.0 ? > > > >There is now a FreeBSD version of the RealPlayer 5.0, free for download > >from RealNetworks website at www.real.com. Perhaps this belongs in the > >ports collection as well? > > > >Andy > > > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > >\-/ :::::::: Andrew N. Edmond - finger for PGP key :::::::::: \-/ > >/-\ :::::: ............ :::::: /-\ > >\-/ ::: edmond@lycaeum.org :::::: an1@anon.nymserver.com ::: \-/ > >/-\ : Director of the Lycaeum :: the Nymserver Administrator : /-\ > >\-/ ::: www.lycaeum.org :::::: www.nymserver.com ::: \-/ > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 12:47:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24925 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:47:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24898; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from albast@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs2.xs4all.nl (albast@xs2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.43]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id VAA04219; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:04:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (from albast@localhost) by xs2.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA17788; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:04:27 +0100 (MET) From: albast Message-Id: <199801262004.VAA17788@xs2.xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: Where's gcvt(3) ?? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:04:25 +0100 (MET) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801260111.LAA00582@word.smith.net.au> from "Mike Smith" at Jan 26, 98 11:41:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > What is there that gcvt does that the *printf() family don't? yeah.. gotcha :-) > Should be a trivial patch, if that's all it needs. You might prod the > YACL maintainer to avoid the use of platform-specific quirks. yup:-) most systems seem to have the cvt() family though.. as to why.. it's completely redundant I'll commit a port of YACL, Freetype and xfstt. Expect them somewhere next week. > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ > --Jeroen From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 14:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08298 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08264 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:21:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA00805; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:50:14 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801262050.VAA00805@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: compressed bootloader ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:50:14 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, just happened to see that some linux netboot code uses a compressed ROM image. Thinking about the size problem of the secondary boot loader (7KB or so). gzipping the boot loader brings the size down from 7120 to 4496, so I believe that even adding some 5-700 bytes for the uncompression code would give us some additional space (assuming there is any use for it). Any taker ? Cheers Luigi From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 14:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14575 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:53:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA14549 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:53:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atf3r@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from ares.cs.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa12398; 26 Jan 98 17:53 EST Received: from mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (mamba-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.18]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11721; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (atf3r@localhost) by mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11758; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:51:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU: atf3r owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:51:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Mike Smith cc: Vladimir Litovka , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability In-Reply-To: <199801250927.TAA02416@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > There is diff to /usr/src/usr.bin/login below. It adds shell arguments > > processing to login, i.e. you can use arguments in shell field of > > /etc/passwd. For example: > > Did anyone have any comments on this? It looks basically sound modulo > some style issues (and login is a cesspit in that regard anyway), and > does indeed offer some value-add. > > More to the point, if I commit a variant of this, who is going to > complain? > > (remainder of original post & diff follows). > > > doka::1001:1001::0:0:Vladimir Litovka:/home/doka:/usr/local/bin/bash -r > > uusys::2001:66::0:0:UUCP for sys:/var/spool/uucppublic:/etc/uucp/uudo sys > > > > This ability must be activated by defining LOGIN_SHELL_ARGS in Makefile > > (this already done in diff) > > > > Please, mail your comments to doka@grunt.vl.net.ua I don't see what this gets you that you do not already have. What is so wrong about making the shell rbash? Furthermore, you can make the "shell" for uusys a two line shell script. I definitely do not see what a normal user could do that would necessitate this feature. Since root can do what is needed already with little inconvenience, I don't think this should become a feature of the login process. It seems more of a risk than a benefit to me. Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualzation Lab -->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 16:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25002 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24814; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:04:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous230.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.230]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00336; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:58:52 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA00927; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:30:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980127003021.55099@panke.de> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:30:21 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: "L. Felawka" Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gcc-2.8.0 (Re: New ports added/updated last two weeks) References: <199801242354.PAA05335@alph04.triumf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199801242354.PAA05335@alph04.triumf.ca>; from L. Felawka on Sat, Jan 24, 1998 at 03:54:48PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 1998-01-24 15:54:48 -0800, L. Felawka wrote: > [ ... stuff deleted ... ] > > > Category lang (http://www.freebsd.org/ports/lang.html) > >================================================================== > > > > egcs-1.0.1 > > EGCS enhanced version of the GNU compiler suite > > Maintained by: jdp@polstra.com > > Requires: gmake-3.76.1 > > > > gcc-2.8.0 > > Latest and greatest version of the GNU compiler suite > > (potentially buggy) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Erm, do have privy to info which would cause you to place a disclaimer > on this particular port (probably the only one made for all the 1240 > ports)? I mean, the version is 2.8.0 and _not_ 0.0.0. What gives? > > I want to upgrade my g++ compiler and you are definitely spooking me. You should ask the maintainer of the gcc-2.8.0 port, who added the warning message 'potentially buggy'. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 16:40:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29015 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28959 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00641; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:59:31 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270029.KAA00641@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Ian Kallen cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R: Yamaha CRW4001t-NB In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:02:27 -0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:59:30 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I acquired a one of these (this was supposed to replace my misbehaving > Phillips CDD2000) but it is not SCSI... now I heard that it works under > Linux using cdrecord with 'ATAPI - SCSI Hostadapter emulation' (quoting > the author of cdrecord). Any idea wtf that is and how to configure the > 2.2.5 kernel to do it? It's a generic translation layer that makes an ATAPI device look like a SCSI device. This is moderately straightforward (at the moment) because the two protocols are very similar. (I say "at the moment" because the ATAPI people have made it clear they plan to diverge). There is no such translation layer available for FreeBSD. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 16:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29045 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29029 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arjan@jak.nl) Received: from jaknl by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <10178-17374>; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:34:24 +0100 Received: from jak.nl ([192.168.0.120]) by jak.nl (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA00413; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:43:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34CD2D9C.DDEB76@jak.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:43:08 +0100 From: Arjan Knepper Organization: JAK++ Software Development B.V. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh , hackers FreeBSD Subject: Re: Hylafax-v4.0pl1 on FreeBSD2.2.5 References: <26778.885823961@coconut.itojun.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh wrote: > > >Anybody have experience with Hylafax? > >After installing and configurng still get the "exited on Signal 11" > >message when I try to acces hfaxd. > >I dowloaded the sources and recompiled it without any succes :-<< > >I need some help/suggestions > > how did you configure /etc/resolv.conf, and hostname? > in the past there was a report that hylafax dies if gethostbyname() > fails. > > itojun Thanks a lot! The problem is resolved by supplying the *right* "hostname" in one of the configuration files. FAX like a charm now, again thanks... arjan@jak.nl From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 16:44:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00269 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:44:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00196; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:44:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00689; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:07:19 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270037.LAA00689@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: albast cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's gcvt(3) ?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:04:25 BST." <199801262004.VAA17788@xs2.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:07:19 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Should be a trivial patch, if that's all it needs. You might prod the > > YACL maintainer to avoid the use of platform-specific quirks. > > yup:-) most systems seem to have the cvt() family though.. as to why.. > it's completely redundant As Greg observed, it seems to be leakage of the internal implementation of printf(). > I'll commit a port of YACL, Freetype and xfstt. Expect them somewhere next > week. Freetype's been done already, so don't kill yourself there. As for the others, yay! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 16:45:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00486 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00454 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:45:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrcpu@cdsnet.net) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA19366 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:45:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 2.2.5+ handle 32bit UID Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk or 31 bit? >From looking at some tests over NFS, it looks like it certainly supports >65535, but I wanted to know if it was consistent everywhere... IE, uid's of 100000+ are OK. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 17:08:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05770 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:08:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05737 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00745; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:17:03 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270047.LAA00745@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compressed bootloader ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:50:14 BST." <199801262050.VAA00805@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:17:03 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > image. Thinking about the size problem of the secondary boot loader > (7KB or so). gzipping the boot loader brings the size down from 7120 to > 4496, so I believe that even adding some 5-700 bytes for the > uncompression code would give us some additional space (assuming there > is any use for it). Any taker ? If you have a compact self-extractor for boot images, go for it. Put it in boot1 and have it extract boot2, if that's at all possible. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 21:09:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04588 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:09:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from p.funk.org (p.funk.org [194.109.61.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04573; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexlh@p.funk.org) Received: (from alexlh@localhost) by p.funk.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA00231; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:43:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alexlh) Message-ID: <19980127054341.62282@funk.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:43:41 +0100 From: Alex Le Heux To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: strangeness in atapi.c? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, While going through atapi.c on my 2.2.5 system, attempting to find out what's wrong with my ATAPI Zipdrive, I found the following: case AT_TYPE_DIRECT: /* direct-access */ case AT_TYPE_CDROM: /* CD-ROM device */ #if NWCD > 0 /* ATAPI CD-ROM */ [etc] This seems to mean that any device that is AT_TYPE_DIRECT (like the Zipdrive) will get attached as a cdrom. Is this correct? If so, why? Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 21:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06341 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:17:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06328 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:17:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20355; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:46:52 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA09608; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:46:52 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980127154651.55028@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:46:51 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Terry Lambert Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? References: <19980126185518.34759@lemis.com> <199801270514.WAA28530@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801270514.WAA28530@usr01.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 05:14:30AM +0000 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 05:14:30AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: >>>> I want to burn a CD-R with long filenames. Is it possible to make >>>> one that could work both under Win95 and Unix ? >>> >>> Should be possible. >>> >>>> I plan to use Adaptec EZCDPro2 to make the ISO image, if that matters. >>> >>> I have no idea about this one. Does it run on FreeBSD? :-) >>> >>> I think there are Joliet patches around for mkisofs, i'm not sure >>> whether they have already been integrated into the latest official >>> version, however. >> >> Can you give us Great Uninformed a pointer to what Joliet is, and how >> it differs from RockRidge? > > Joliet is MS's method of encoding Unicode long file names in tandem with > the short names so that you can do long-name-capable CDROM's on Windows > 95 and NT. > > The Joliet specification is available in the developer area of the MS > FTP site, both as a Word document and as an RTF. > > It is basically compatible, with one real relaxation of the ISO9660 > specification to allow them to encode the fact of a Unicode namespace > in the last session of a CD (this may be the first session, if there > are no other sessions). > > See the spec for more details. > > I can probably do the search and post the URL if you can't figure out > how to work MS's search engine, or if you can find it in devel on > their ftp server by just looking for it in the index file at the > top level directory. Thanks. I wasn't that interested. I think you've told me what I wanted to know. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 21:29:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08509 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:29:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08498; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01603; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:51:15 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270521.PAA01603@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alex Le Heux cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: strangeness in atapi.c? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:43:41 BST." <19980127054341.62282@funk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:51:13 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > While going through atapi.c on my 2.2.5 system, attempting to find out > what's wrong with my ATAPI Zipdrive, I found the following: You could upgrade to -stable, which contains the wfd driver which (almost) works with the ATAPI Zip. Large writes (appear to) cause the drive to lock up. > case AT_TYPE_DIRECT: /* direct-access */ > case AT_TYPE_CDROM: /* CD-ROM device */ > #if NWCD > 0 > /* ATAPI CD-ROM */ > [etc] > > This seems to mean that any device that is AT_TYPE_DIRECT (like the Zipdrive) > will get attached as a cdrom. Is this correct? If so, why? Some old (broken) CDROMs report themselves incorrectly. If you are interested in working out what's wrong with the wfd driver, please drop me a line off the list and I can bring you up to speed. If you have the bits and some time it should be fairly straightforward. (It is trivial to retrofit the wfd driver into 2.2.5; see www.jp.freebsd.org/~junichi) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 21:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08557 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:29:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08508 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp94.wcc.net [208.6.232.94]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00454; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:26:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA04108; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:29:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:29:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270529.XAA04108@detlev.UUCP> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <16061.885755982.1@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> February, as is usually the custom. If you want something merged >> into the 2.2 branch in preparation for 2.2.6, DO IT NOW. > With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think > daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, > I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it > into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file > I/O in kernel land. Could somebody give me a hint before i go berserk > and read the entire kernel source to find out? :) Is this graphical, or textual? -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 21:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09313 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09235 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:30:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29481; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:14:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd029441; Mon Jan 26 22:14:33 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28530; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:14:31 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801270514.WAA28530@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:14:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980126185518.34759@lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Jan 26, 98 06:55:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> I want to burn a CD-R with long filenames. Is it possible to make > >> one that could work both under Win95 and Unix ? > > > > Should be possible. > > > >> I plan to use Adaptec EZCDPro2 to make the ISO image, if that matters. > > > > I have no idea about this one. Does it run on FreeBSD? :-) > > > > I think there are Joliet patches around for mkisofs, i'm not sure > > whether they have already been integrated into the latest official > > version, however. > > Can you give us Great Uninformed a pointer to what Joliet is, and how > it differs from RockRidge? Joliet is MS's method of encoding Unicode long file names in tandem with the short names so that you can do long-name-capable CDROM's on Windows 95 and NT. The Joliet specification is available in the developer area of the MS FTP site, both as a Word document and as an RTF. It is basically compatible, with one real relaxation of the ISO9660 specification to allow them to encode the fact of a Unicode namespace in the last session of a CD (this may be the first session, if there are no other sessions). See the spec for more details. I can probably do the search and post the URL if you can't figure out how to work MS's search engine, or if you can find it in devel on their ftp server by just looking for it in the index file at the top level directory. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 21:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10456 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10398 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp94.wcc.net [208.6.232.94]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00614; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:28:33 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA04181; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:31:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:31:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270531.XAA04181@detlev.UUCP> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801261506.BAA00422@word.smith.net.au> (message from Mike Smith on Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:36:33 +1030) Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801261506.BAA00422@word.smith.net.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think >> daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, >> I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it >> into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file >> I/O in kernel land. Could somebody give me a hint before i go berserk >> and read the entire kernel source to find out? :) > It's extremely tedious. You'd be better off adding an ioctl hook to > the screensaver module and adding an extra console ioctl to pass > commands to the screensaver. I must be missing something here. What would be sending the commands, so that he gets the logo file? -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 21:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11974 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11963 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:42:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01668; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:05:30 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270535.QAA01668@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: mike@smith.net.au, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:31:59 MDT." <199801270531.XAA04181@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:05:30 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >> With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think > >> daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, > >> I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it > >> into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file > >> I/O in kernel land. Could somebody give me a hint before i go berserk > >> and read the entire kernel source to find out? :) > > It's extremely tedious. You'd be better off adding an ioctl hook to > > the screensaver module and adding an extra console ioctl to pass > > commands to the screensaver. > > I must be missing something here. What would be sending the commands, > so that he gets the logo file? Whatever he was planning to use to send the filename to the saver so that it can find it in the first place. In my current dlopen() mania, I would be inclined to add some extra functions to the saver module such that you could hook it into vidcontrol and have it talk to itself. ie. after you load "bitmap_saver.o" into the kernel, you'd run something like: # vidcontrol -x bitmap "add 10 image.gif" which would load the bitmap_saver object into vidcontrol, look for the saver_ioctl_call function and pass it the command string. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 22:15:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16996 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA16951 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA01292; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:43:15 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801270443.FAA01292@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: compressed bootloader ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:43:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801270047.LAA00745@word.smith.net.au> from "Mike Smith" at Jan 27, 98 11:16:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > image. Thinking about the size problem of the secondary boot loader > > (7KB or so). gzipping the boot loader brings the size down from 7120 to > > 4496, so I believe that even adding some 5-700 bytes for the > > uncompression code would give us some additional space (assuming there > > is any use for it). Any taker ? > > If you have a compact self-extractor for boot images, go for it. Put > it in boot1 and have it extract boot2, if that's at all possible. well, the code I was talking about is part of http://www.slug.org.au/etherboot/etherboot-3.2.tar.gz and should be < 1K (they claim a tradeoff point of 1.5K when code compresses 60%). But isn't boot1 the 512 bytes and boot2 7120 ? I was thinking to put it into boot2. luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 22:19:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17678 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:19:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17666; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:19:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07733; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801270618.WAA07733@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: visaj Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:18:56 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I am evaluating a Java GUI builder called Visaj ( http://www.ist.co.uk ) written entirely in Java . Visaj seems to work rather nicely with the latest jdk1.1.5/motif . Your mileage may vary with lesstif. The only problem is that it cost $995 so I am trying to talk Imperial Software Technology to bring the price down for FreeBSD. If others with more Java GUI builders experience than me could download Visaj and let us know what they think about it, also if anyone in the lists has any experience with it please let us know. I just played with it for a couple of nights and it seems robust and rather nice. Visaj is a GUI builder and not an IDE. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 22:39:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20686 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:39:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20679 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:39:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp81.wcc.net [208.6.232.81]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA04528; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:35:10 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id AAA04478; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:37:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:37:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270637.AAA04478@detlev.UUCP> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801270535.QAA01668@word.smith.net.au> (message from Mike Smith on Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:05:30 +1030) Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801270535.QAA01668@word.smith.net.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>> I'd like to have the logo as a separate file rather than compile it >>>> into the lkm, but I haven't had much luck finding out how to do file >>>> I/O in kernel land. >>> It's extremely tedious. You'd be better off adding an ioctl hook to >>> the screensaver module and adding an extra console ioctl to pass >>> commands to the screensaver. >> I must be missing something here. What would be sending the commands, >> so that he gets the logo file? > Whatever he was planning to use to send the filename to the saver so > that it can find it in the first place. I must still be misunderstanding you. Would the program send the kernel the bitmap? The kernel would then have to bring it into the kernel's space, though, wouldn't it? This would mean dynamically allocating a (potentially large) chunk of the precious kernel memory. I personally would shy away from holding dynamic memory when it's not being used most of the time, preferring to bring in the bits on-demand if possible. > In my current dlopen() mania, I would be inclined to add some extra > functions to the saver module such that you could hook it into > vidcontrol and have it talk to itself. > ie. after you load "bitmap_saver.o" into the kernel, you'd run > something like: > # vidcontrol -x bitmap "add 10 image.gif" > which would load the bitmap_saver object into vidcontrol, look for the > saver_ioctl_call function and pass it the command string. Okay, so you mean the bitmap_saver object is loaded, the ioctl function parses the command and loads the file in userland, and then... what? Send an ioctl to stdout with the bits? If the bitmap is a fixed size, and statically allocated in the kernel, it can go ahead and fill it directly (although there would be a locking problem involved). My real concern is holding on to lots of dynamically allocated kernel memory, which is something I can't see getting around without the screen saver doing file I/O. In Linux, dynamic kernel memory was a precious resource. Is it not so in FreeBSD? Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 22:52:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23093 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:52:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23071 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:51:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29592; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:21:33 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270651.RAA29592@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: mike@smith.net.au, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:37:51 MDT." <199801270637.AAA04478@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:21:32 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > My real concern is holding on to lots of dynamically allocated kernel > memory, which is something I can't see getting around without the > screen saver doing file I/O. In Linux, dynamic kernel memory was a > precious resource. Is it not so in FreeBSD? Umm, well wouldn't it be allocated in either case? You either load it in the kernel, or you load it in user land, and then copy it to the kernel.. You still take kernel memory to do it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 23:05:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25197 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25159 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:05:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27777; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:03:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199801270703.CAA27777@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-Reply-To: <199801270637.AAA04478@detlev.UUCP> from Joel Ray Holveck at "Jan 27, 98 00:37:51 am" To: joelh@gnu.org Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:03:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck said: > > My real concern is holding on to lots of dynamically allocated kernel > memory, which is something I can't see getting around without the > screen saver doing file I/O. In Linux, dynamic kernel memory was a > precious resource. Is it not so in FreeBSD? > In FreeBSD, the kernel address space should be carefully used, but it is not any more precious than statically allocated kernel memory. We are currently limited to a little less than 256MB kernel virtual size. Almost everything like buffer space, and temporary type mappings, etc. are dynamically allocated, and most of the buffer space isn't normally mapped anyway. That KVA size is almost always adequate for workstation applications, for almost any memory size. However, for server apps, you can rebuild the kernel with a few mods so that you can run with KVA size of 512MB or 1GB (but isn't needed, except on machines with lots and lots of TCP connections, etc.) -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 23:08:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26348 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:08:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26295 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:08:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01893; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:18:57 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801270648.RAA01893@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: joelh@gnu.org, mike@smith.net.au, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:21:32 +1030." <199801270651.RAA29592@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:18:56 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > My real concern is holding on to lots of dynamically allocated kernel > > memory, which is something I can't see getting around without the > > screen saver doing file I/O. In Linux, dynamic kernel memory was a > > precious resource. Is it not so in FreeBSD? > Umm, well wouldn't it be allocated in either case? > You either load it in the kernel, or you load it in user land, and then copy > it to the kernel.. You still take kernel memory to do it. Actually, if you're a real stud, you hold an open vnode reference on it, and read it off the disk every time you want to display it. As Julian said, see how the code in the kernel handles reading executable images. It's moderately painful, but definitely the Right Way to do it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 23:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28967 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:22:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28943 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00625; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:20:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199801270720.CAA00625@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-Reply-To: <199801270648.RAA01893@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 27, 98 05:18:56 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:20:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au, joelh@gnu.org, mike@smith.net.au, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith said: > > As Julian said, see how the code in the kernel handles reading executable > images. It's moderately painful, but definitely the Right Way to do it. > You should refer to the code in -current, because the older stuff had some problems. Also, you can do vn_open, vn_read, vn_write, vn_close if you want to. There are the options to do I/O to/from system space. The only reason (that I know of) that the exec code doesn't use the vn_* calls is for efficiency reasons, so lots of stuff is bypassed and done slightly VMish as opposed to file I/Oish. I don't have lots of time to tutor, but what you should be able to do is: vn_open() to get the vnode. It will return with a reference to the vnode. That is approx equiv to an open file. (Take a look at namei to figure out how to specify a filename.) vn_read/vn_write will properly read and write the file, also handling file datastructure locking. vn_close() to loose the file reference. I know that it seems to be complicated, but not really worse than doing I/O in user-land on VMS :-). -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 23:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03719 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03713; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20473; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:57:14 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA12052; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:57:14 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980127175713.58429@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:57:13 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Mike Smith , doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au, joelh@gnu.org, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <199801270648.RAA01893@word.smith.net.au> <199801270720.CAA00625@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801270720.CAA00625@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 02:20:17AM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 02:20:17AM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Mike Smith said: >> >> As Julian said, see how the code in the kernel handles reading executable >> images. It's moderately painful, but definitely the Right Way to do it. > > You should refer to the code in -current, because the older stuff had some > problems. Also, you can do vn_open, vn_read, vn_write, > vn_close if you want to. There are the options to do I/O to/from system > space. The only reason (that I know of) that the exec code doesn't use > the vn_* calls is for efficiency reasons, so lots of stuff is bypassed > and done slightly VMish as opposed to file I/Oish. > > I don't have lots of time to tutor, but what you should be able to do is: > > vn_open() to get the vnode. It will return with a reference to the > vnode. That is approx equiv to an open file. (Take a look at namei > to figure out how to specify a filename.) > > vn_read/vn_write will properly read and write the file, also handling > file datastructure locking. > > vn_close() to loose the file reference. You also need to look at the uio and iov structures. Amongst other things, it describes macros which help make this interface bearable. There's some stuff on this in part 9 of the manual. I'm also working on a document (along with trying to write the *(&*& stuff. I'd supply my files, but they deal with block device I/O, which isn't the general case). Now who was going to write buf(9)? > I know that it seems to be complicated, but not really worse than doing > I/O in user-land on VMS :-). Or in WNT? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 26 23:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05108 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hil-img-10.compuserve.com (hil-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.177.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05097 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:51:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 76350.1227@compuserve.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id CAA17797 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:51:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:50:03 -0500 From: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> Subject: Replys to help for Future Domain Drivers To: tech_help_drivers Message-ID: <199801270251_MC2-30D0-1077@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id XAA05098 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hey guys. Here is some of your feedback on my request. (Thanks for the replies.) Hope you will forgive the length. >The 1680 is a complete dog. Get a real SCSI card. >If you really want device support for this device, write the drivers >yourself. Nobody else seems to think that the time investment is worth it >for those cards. >From: "Matthew N. Dodd" You're a LOT of help..... >I don't know of anyone who even owns one of these cards anymore, so if >it's not you who does this then I honestly doubt that it will be >anyone at all and you might as well simply replace that card now. >From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" They ain't broke, so I am not replacing them. (I have 10 in use). >These cards are best sold to teenagers at rave parties, who will either >wear them as jewellery or use them to commit minor acts of mayhem on >innocent bystanders. > >To be brutally frank, the FreeBSD community is demonstrating a lot more >interest in hardware that is useful for contemporary workloads. >Witness the stable support for the Adaptec and NCR/Symbios adapters and >emerging support for hardware from people like Advansys and DPT in >contrast to the poor or nonexistent support for BOGUS hardware like >anything ever manufactured by Future Domain. >From: Mike Smith You're no help either.... >If you'd like, I'll be more than happy to send you the tutorial I threw >together on starting to write device drivers. Unfortunately, this is how >device drivers get written. Someone with the device, and interest to have >it supported (read: You) lays their hands on the programming documentation, >does much trial and error learning the driver interface, and then writes >the driver. >From: "Brian J. McGovern" Thanks for a decent, reasonable response. Tell me more about the tutorial... >> Have a look at >> http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/freebsd/welcome.html which >> contains an 18c30 driver ported for the AHA2920. It also contains the >> original tmc18c30/ISA support which may well work with your cards. >>From: Mike Smith > >Well I never. If anyone out there is using this driver, can we have >some feedback? If it works and appears to be maintained, we ought to >incorporate it... >From: Bob Bishop Finally, some usable info! I will have to check this out.... Thanks! Actually, these cards work really well. I have 10 of them in 9 different machines. They are quite adequate for recording CDs in small batches. They are not the fastest SCSI adapters, but I have not had any failures or problems which would lead me to use the terms "BOGUS" or "COMPLETE DOGS". So if you haven't used the cards, what makes you guys say that?? FreeBSD supports the Future Domain TMC-950, which is an 8 bit ISA card, so why not the 1680, which is 16 bit ISA? It seems that Future Domain sold enough of these cards at reasonable prices to eat into Adaptec's profits, so Adaptec bought the company and shut it down. This procedure eliminated a lot of competition and allows Adaptec to keep their card prices unreasonably high. I think there must be 1000's of these cards still in use. You are not hearing from the people who have them because they aren't buying FreeBSD. (Why go and buy something which is NOT compatible with what you've got?) If I knew anything about programming in C, assembler, or Unix guts, I would have already written a driver. Since I don't, I thought I would take my problem to the Web and seek out expert assistance. Instead of help, some of you insult my equipment. I don't need that bullshit. I will check out www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/freebsd/welcome.html Can someone furnish a "howto" on incorporating the driver into FreeBSD? I do not have a manual to "RTFM" unless it is on the disk (2.1.7). P.S. I would be interested to hear more on Bob Bishop's comment about incorporating the existing 18c30/ISA driver referenced by Mike Smith. Best regards; Bruce Vandiver 76350.1227@compuserve.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 00:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07804 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07797; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:10:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08443; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:10:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801270810.AAA08443@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au, joelh@gnu.org, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:20:17 EST." <199801270720.CAA00625@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:10:21 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I know that it seems to be complicated, but not really worse than doing > I/O in user-land on VMS :-). Oh, I don't know I had good time with VMS... Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 00:27:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10107 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10094; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20532; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:57:09 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA12225; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:57:08 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980127185708.25174@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:57:08 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Amancio Hasty Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith , doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au, joelh@gnu.org, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <199801270720.CAA00625@dyson.iquest.net> <199801270810.AAA08443@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801270810.AAA08443@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 12:10:21AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 12:10:21AM -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: >> I know that it seems to be complicated, but not really worse than doing >> I/O in user-land on VMS :-). > > Oh, I don't know I had good time with VMS... Don't worry about it. I didn't know I had a good time with VMS, either :-) Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 00:52:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13199 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:52:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13189 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05632 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:52:40 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00677; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:52:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980127095238.14229@follo.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:52:38 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Proposed patch to src/sys/i386/isa/isa.c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The patch below make the autoconfig-system drop probing/attaching devices twice if a previous probe/attach succeeded. This let you specify a device twice in a kernel config file (with different IO-addresses), and then use the first one that is detected. Example: device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 3 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr device ed0 at isa? port 0x220 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr Putting the above in my kernel config file will let me use two different brands of NE2000-clones without doing any changes - whichever probes true will become ed0. (If both are present, the first is preferred). If nobody protests, I'm going to commit the patch in a couple of days. (It shouldn't make anything worse for any case.) Index: src/sys/i386/isa/isa.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/isa.c,v retrieving revision 1.108 diff -u -r1.108 isa.c --- isa.c 1997/11/30 09:44:28 1.108 +++ isa.c 1998/01/27 08:30:13 @@ -137,6 +137,14 @@ if (tmpdvp->id_alive) { char const *whatnot; + /* + * Check for device driver & unit conflict/ + */ + if (tmpdvp->id_driver == dvp->id_driver && + tmpdvp->id_unit == dvp->id_unit) { + return 1; + } + whatnot = checkbits & CC_ATTACH ? "attach" : "prob"; /* * Check for I/O address conflict. We can only check the Now, if we had a test to see if a particular IRQ is active, we could have a GENERIC that just let our users plug in any clone and it would just work... Is there any particular reason we can't catch IRQs during a probe? Ie, my driver could tell the kernel "now I'm going to try to prod this card and make it create an interrupt. I think it is on IRQ such-and-such." Then prod, then sleep 100ms (or whatever), then ask the kernel "Hey, did the IRQ come as I said it would?" For many devices, the prod phase is easy, but AFAIK none of our current drivers do the above (which suggest to me that the kernel part of it is missing). Eivind. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 01:30:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17830 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from p-biset.issy.cnet.fr (p-biset.issy.cnet.fr [139.100.0.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17802 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:30:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dominique.alglave@cnet.francetelecom.fr) Received: by p-biset.issy.cnet.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:33:07 +0100 Message-ID: <33C73673A9D6D0119A8800805FBE0C1C09175F@p-colombin.issy.cnet.fr> From: ALGLAVE Dominique CNET/DTL/ISS To: "'hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:33:05 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 02:23:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24367 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:23:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA24293 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:23:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA01529; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:51:29 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801270851.JAA01529@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Proposed patch to src/sys/i386/isa/isa.c To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:51:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980127095238.14229@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at Jan 27, 98 09:52:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The patch below make the autoconfig-system drop probing/attaching devices > twice if a previous probe/attach succeeded. This let you specify a device > twice in a kernel config file (with different IO-addresses), and then use > the first one that is detected. > > Example: > device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 3 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr > device ed0 at isa? port 0x220 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr this could have good use in the GENERIC kernel. However, have you checked if this (the above kernel configuration, not your patch) causes any trouble to the autoconfig stuff ? I think there you identify devices by name, so if you have multiple instances of "ed0" I am not quite sure how it is handled. > > > Now, if we had a test to see if a particular IRQ is active, we could have a > GENERIC that just let our users plug in any clone and it would just work... > that's what PnP is for :) > prod, then sleep 100ms (or whatever), then ask the kernel "Hey, did the IRQ > come as I said it would?" > > For many devices, the prod phase is easy, but AFAIK none of our current > drivers do the above (which suggest to me that the kernel part of it is > missing). maybe it's not too hard to implement it. after all you just have to poll the status register of the 8259... we've been through something similar for the DMA status for the audio stuff and it was not hard at all. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 03:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28962 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:04:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28955 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-090.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.90]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA01184; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA03177; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:02:22 GMT Message-ID: <19980127030221.54635@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:02:21 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: "L. Felawka" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gcc-2.8.0 (Re: New ports added/updated last two weeks) Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199801242354.PAA05335@alph04.triumf.ca> <19980127003021.55099@panke.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19980127003021.55099@panke.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 12:30:21AM +0100 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > gcc-2.8.0 > > > Latest and greatest version of the GNU compiler suite > > > (potentially buggy) > > > > Erm, do have privy to info which would cause you to place a disclaimer > > on this particular port (probably the only one made for all the 1240 > > ports)? I mean, the version is 2.8.0 and _not_ 0.0.0. What gives? > > > > I want to upgrade my g++ compiler and you are definitely spooking me. > > You should ask the maintainer of the gcc-2.8.0 port, > who added the warning message 'potentially buggy'. GCC has a history of releasing point zero releases, and having to follow them by x.y.{1,x} releases w/in a few weeks. Also, I didn't build a kernel or anything as elaborate with this version of GCC. It handled "Hello World", and I thought others might want to play with the new version to get a little testing of it before anyone even conciders bringing it into -CURRENT. I was interested in the new C++ compiler and it certainly is a new beast. Much of G++ was rewritten because it was so out-of-date WRT the C++ spec. So there is mucho new code in there. Additionally the STL is a much newer version and your old code maynot compile with it. In fact the STL with the new EGCS C++ compiler is useless on FreeBSD -- you can't link if you use the STL vector class. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 04:21:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07481 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07476 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id NAA24819; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:21:35 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:21:33 +0100 (MET) To: joelh@gnu.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <16061.885755982.1@time.cdrom.com> <199801270529.XAA04108@detlev.UUCP> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 27 Jan 1998 13:21:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: Joel Ray Holveck's message of "Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:29:27 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 95 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck writes: > > With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think > > daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, > Is this graphical, or textual? Graphical. If I wanted a text-mode logo I'd use daemon_saver... OK, I'm having some trouble with the lkm with which you guys may be able to help me out. At first I thought it was a bug in my code, but I've gone over it very carefully, and I'm quite certain now that the problem is in syscons. The problem is that scrn_timer() doesn't seem to be called when the console is in VGA mode. I tried to comment out the graphics code and simply blank the screen in text mode, and it works perfectly. I added a call to log() which logs every call to logo_saver(); I get something like 20-30 log messages a second (which seems reasonable since scrn_timer() sets the timer to approximately 25 hz). When I uncomment the VGA code (which was taken from splashkit), logo_saver() is called only twice: once when the screen saver hits in, and once when it is unloaded. The console responds to keypresses, and I can type commands at the shell prompt, but the screen saver never gets the message to switch back to text mode. The kernel log shows only two messages. Here's the relevant excerpt: static void logo_saver(int blank) { struct scr_stat *scp; static u_char save_mode; static int xpos = 0, ypos = 0; static int xinc = 1, yinc = 1; u_char *s = logo_img, *d; int pl, y; #ifndef NDEBUG log(LOG_DEBUG, "logo_saver(%d) scrn_blanked = %d\n", blank, scrn_blanked); #endif scp = cur_console; if (!blank) /* Restore screen */ { if (scrn_blanked <= 0) return; #ifndef JUSTBLANK pl = splhigh(); scp->mode = save_mode; scp->status &= ~UNKNOWN_MODE; set_mode(scp); load_palette(palette); splx(pl); #endif scrn_blanked = 0; #ifndef NDEBUG log(LOG_DEBUG, "out\n"); #endif return; } if (scrn_blanked <= 0) /* Just switched on, so set mode */ { #ifndef NDEBUG log(LOG_DEBUG, "in\n"); #endif scrn_blanked++; #ifndef JUSTBLANK pl = splhigh(); save_mode = scp->mode; scp->mode = M_VGA_CG320; scp->status |= UNKNOWN_MODE; set_mode(scp); load_palette((char *)logo_pal); splx(pl); bzero((void *)pa_to_va(VIDEOMEM), SCRW * SCRH); #else bzero((void *)Crtat, 80 * 25 * 2); return; #endif } /* Turn when you hit the edge */ if ((xpos + logow + xinc > SCRW) || (xpos + xinc < 0)) xinc = -xinc; if ((ypos + logoh + yinc > SCRH) || (ypos + yinc < 0)) yinc = -yinc; xpos += xinc; ypos += yinc; /* XXX Relies on margin around logo to erase trail */ d = (u_char *)pa_to_va(VIDEOMEM) + SCRW * ypos + xpos; for (y = 0; y < logoh; y++, d += SCRW, s += logoll) bcopy((void *)s, (void *)d, logow); } -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 05:32:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16678 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from klokan.sh.cvut.cz (root@klokan.sh.cvut.cz [193.84.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA16660 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:32:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from J.Klaus@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from skunk.sh.cvut.cz (skunk.sh.cvut.cz [194.108.141.194]) by klokan.sh.cvut.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09083 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:31:50 +0100 Received: from SKUNK/SpoolDir by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31); 27 Jan 98 14:31:49 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by SKUNK (Mercury 1.31); 27 Jan 98 14:31:33 +0100 Received: from hell.sh.cvut.cz by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31); 27 Jan 98 14:31:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:31:49 +0100 (CET) From: Jaroslav Klaus X-Sender: klausik@hell.sh.cvut.cz To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPX propagation packets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, Has anybody ever implemented routing of IPX propagation packets (type 20)? I need it for FBSD 2.2.5. Thank you -- Jarda From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 05:40:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17900 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:40:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17892 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA25292; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:39:03 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199801271339.PAA25292@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: IPX propagation packets In-Reply-To: from Jaroslav Klaus at "Jan 27, 98 02:31:49 pm" To: J.Klaus@sh.cvut.cz (Jaroslav Klaus) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:39:03 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Has anybody ever implemented routing of IPX propagation packets (type 20)? > I need it for FBSD 2.2.5. It is in there. You enable it with "sysctl -w net.ipx.ipxnetbios=1". You need IPX up and running of course. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 07:09:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00375 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:09:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00309 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:09:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no (2602@grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.131]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA23057; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:09:03 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:09:02 +0100 (MET) To: joelh@gnu.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Graphical screen saver (was: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!)) References: <16061.885755982.1@time.cdrom.com> <199801270529.XAA04108@detlev.UUCP> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:08:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no's message of "27 Jan 1998 13:21:31 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) writes: > The problem is that scrn_timer() doesn't seem to be called when the > console is in VGA mode. I tried to comment out the graphics code and > [...] > scp->mode = M_VGA_CG320; > scp->status |= UNKNOWN_MODE; > set_mode(scp); Doh! Of course, scrn_timer() returns prematurely when scp->status has the UNKNOWN_MODE bit set. I removed the middle line in the above code and everything works perfectly. Just have to polish it a bit and find a nice picture of Chuck. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 07:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02590 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (router1.portal.net.au [202.12.71.250] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02538 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00461; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:42:49 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801271512.BAA00461@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) cc: joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "27 Jan 1998 13:21:31 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:42:49 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA02550 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > When I uncomment the VGA code (which was taken from splashkit), > logo_saver() is called only twice: once when the screen saver hits in, > and once when it is unloaded. The console responds to keypresses, and > I can type commands at the shell prompt, but the screen saver never > gets the message to switch back to text mode. The kernel log shows > only two messages. You're setting the UNKNOWN_MODE flag in scp->status; right at the top of scrn_timer() it bails out if that's set. There are a couple of things you can do: 1 not set the flag (that's probably a bad idea, as it's what tells syscons not to futz with anything) 2 hack scrn_timer to call you regardless (also bad, as it means that text screensavers behaviour changes) 3 establish/disestablish your own timer routine when you are activated/deactivated (bad again because the remove-saver option is hidden behind the UNKNOWN_MODE test in scrn_timer()). I would actually combine 3 above with moving the "should we stop the screensaver" test to before the UNKNOWN_MODE bailout in scrn_timer(). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 07:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04010 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:26:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03927 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no (2602@grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.131]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA25787; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:26:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:26:14 +0100 (MET) To: Mike Smith Cc: joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <199801271512.BAA00461@word.smith.net.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:26:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:42:49 +1030" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > > When I uncomment the VGA code (which was taken from splashkit), > > logo_saver() is called only twice: once when the screen saver hits in, > You're setting the UNKNOWN_MODE flag in scp->status; right at the top > of scrn_timer() it bails out if that's set. I know, I found out during lunch :) > 1 not set the flag (that's probably a bad idea, as it's what tells > syscons not to futz with anything) Exactly what dire consequences can this have? -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 07:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05125 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:32:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (router1.portal.net.au [202.12.71.250] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05120 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00529; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:54:17 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801271524.BAA00529@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) cc: Mike Smith , joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "27 Jan 1998 16:26:14 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:54:17 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA05121 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > 1 not set the flag (that's probably a bad idea, as it's what tells > > syscons not to futz with anything) > > Exactly what dire consequences can this have? Look for everything else that tests for it. Anything that does so, and isn't guarded against the screensaver being active, is a candidate for problems. It's possible that there aren't any; I just threw a quick eye over stuff. I would be most worried about console switches; you want to make sure that you get out of the screensaver before the switch happens. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 07:42:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06551 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:42:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06546 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:42:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no (2602@grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.131]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA28909; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:42:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:42:24 +0100 (MET) To: Mike Smith Cc: joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <199801271524.BAA00529@word.smith.net.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:42:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:54:17 +1030" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > > > 1 not set the flag (that's probably a bad idea, as it's what tells > > > syscons not to futz with anything) > > Exactly what dire consequences can this have? > Look for everything else that tests for it. Anything that does so, and > isn't guarded against the screensaver being active, is a candidate for > problems. It's possible that there aren't any; I just threw a quick > eye over stuff. There seems to be quite a bit. I'll try to find an alternate solution. > I would be most worried about console switches; you want to make sure > that you get out of the screensaver before the switch happens. For instance, the splashkit completely bombs the machine if it is still on when X starts (I have xdm in rc.local)... -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 07:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08157 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (router1.portal.net.au [202.12.71.250] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08113 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00704; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:13:06 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801271543.CAA00704@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) cc: Mike Smith , joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) In-reply-to: Your message of "27 Jan 1998 16:42:23 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:13:06 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA08115 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I would be most worried about console switches; you want to make sure > > that you get out of the screensaver before the switch happens. > > For instance, the splashkit completely bombs the machine if it is > still on when X starts (I have xdm in rc.local)... Yup. I'm still not happy with the switching model. But I've finally given in and decided that the splash has to be in a "magic" format, so there will be an "installsplash" command that splats a magic number and some other stuff on a splash image and installs it. *sigh* Now I can get back to making it switch properly. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 07:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08392 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:50:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08334 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no (2602@grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.131]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA00057; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:50:44 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:50:44 +0100 (MET) To: Mike Smith Cc: joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <199801271512.BAA00461@word.smith.net.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:50:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:42:49 +1030" Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > 3 establish/disestablish your own timer routine when you are > activated/deactivated (bad again because the remove-saver option > is hidden behind the UNKNOWN_MODE test in scrn_timer()). > > I would actually combine 3 above with moving the "should we stop the > screensaver" test to before the UNKNOWN_MODE bailout in scrn_timer(). After due consideration, I think that's what I'll do. Here's a patch to syscons.c: --- syscons.c.orig Tue Jan 27 16:49:04 1998 +++ syscons.c Tue Jan 27 16:49:53 1998 @@ -2187,17 +2187,17 @@ scintr(0); } + /* should we stop the screen saver? */ + if (mono_time.tv_sec <= scrn_time_stamp + scrn_blank_time) + if (scrn_blanked > 0) + stop_scrn_saver(current_saver); + /* should we just return ? */ if ((scp->status&UNKNOWN_MODE) || blink_in_progress || switch_in_progress) { timeout(scrn_timer, NULL, hz / 10); splx(s); return; } - - /* should we stop the screen saver? */ - if (mono_time.tv_sec <= scrn_time_stamp + scrn_blank_time) - if (scrn_blanked > 0) - stop_scrn_saver(current_saver); if (scrn_blanked <= 0) { /* update screen image */ -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 08:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13460 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from most.weird.com (root@most.weird.com [204.92.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13416 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woods@mail.weird.com) Received: from localhost (1715 bytes) by most.weird.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:22:07 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.102-Pre 1997-Dec-17 #5 built 1998-Jan-8) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: ip-filter@postbox.anu.edu.au Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk So, I've been in the process of helping a client build FreeBSD 2.2 stable releases and we've been trying to integrate ip-filter into the source tree so that our internal release builds would be all ready to go. I thought this would be easy. I'd planned to just check out the 3.0 branch and take a peek to see how it was done there and mimic it. Now I admit that we've not yet actually built a 3.0 tree, but for the life of me I can't find any thread of reference to how ip-filter user-land might be constructed and installed in the 3.0 tree. It just seems to sit in the contrib sub-directory all on its own. (The kernel integration was of course quite straight forward once we manually re-patched the conf/files file and fixed one header that was missing . I'll forward patches and a new FreeBSD-2.2/kinstall script.) If anyone has any hints or pointers to FreeBSD-style makefiles for the ip-filter user-land stuff, I'd greatly appreciate receiving them! (BTW, I'm not on freebsd-hackers directly, though my colleague is, so a Cc to me directly would be OK.) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 08:42:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17550 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17486; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:42:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09317; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:38:06 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34CCD803.E5E7111F@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:37:56 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider CC: "L. Felawka" , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gcc-2.8.0 (Re: New ports added/updated last two weeks) References: <199801242354.PAA05335@alph04.triumf.ca> <19980127003021.55099@panke.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Wolfram Schneider wrote: > On 1998-01-24 15:54:48 -0800, L. Felawka wrote: > ? [ ... stuff deleted ... ] > ? > ? ? Category lang (http://www.freebsd.org/ports/lang.html) > ? ?================================================================== > ? ? > ? ? egcs-1.0.1 > ? ? EGCS enhanced version of the GNU compiler suite > ? ? Maintained by: jdp@polstra.com > ? ? Requires: gmake-3.76.1 > ? ? > ? ? gcc-2.8.0 > ? ? Latest and greatest version of the GNU compiler suite > ? ? (potentially buggy) > ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ? > ? Erm, do have privy to info which would cause you to place a disclaimer > ? on this particular port (probably the only one made for all the 1240 > ? ports)? I mean, the version is 2.8.0 and _not_ 0.0.0. What gives? > ? > ? I want to upgrade my g++ compiler and you are definitely spooking me. > > You should ask the maintainer of the gcc-2.8.0 port, > who added the warning message 'potentially buggy'. > > -- > Wolfram Schneider ?wosch@freebsd.org? http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ As I know from egcs mailing list, gcc-2.8.0 have extra optimization, which is incorrect yet. -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 09:44:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27093 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iq.org (proff@polysynaptic.iq.org [203.4.184.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27019 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from proff@iq.org) Received: (qmail 24340 invoked by uid 110); 27 Jan 1998 17:45:52 -0000 To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Cc: ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au (IP-Filter Mailing List) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 References: From: Julian Assange Date: 28 Jan 1998 04:45:52 +1100 In-Reply-To: woods@most.weird.com's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:22:07 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) writes: > So, I've been in the process of helping a client build FreeBSD 2.2 > stable releases and we've been trying to integrate ip-filter into the > source tree so that our internal release builds would be all ready to > go. > > I thought this would be easy. I'd planned to just check out the 3.0 > branch and take a peek to see how it was done there and mimic it. Now I > admit that we've not yet actually built a 3.0 tree, but for the life of > me I can't find any thread of reference to how ip-filter user-land might > be constructed and installed in the 3.0 tree. It just seems to sit in > the contrib sub-directory all on its own. > > (The kernel integration was of course quite straight forward once we > manually re-patched the conf/files file and fixed one header that was > missing . I'll forward patches and a new > FreeBSD-2.2/kinstall script.) > > If anyone has any hints or pointers to FreeBSD-style makefiles for the > ip-filter user-land stuff, I'd greatly appreciate receiving them! > I did this about 8 months ago. Nobody bothered to incorporate it into 3.0 though. Have a look in ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/incoming for ipfilter-proff-final2.tar.gz or words to that effect. If you know someone who will bother incorporating it into -current, this is a good place to start. Cheers, Julian. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 10:42:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08991 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from most.weird.com (root@most.weird.com [204.92.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08925 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woods@mail.weird.com) Received: from localhost (1590 bytes) by most.weird.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:42:04 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.102-Pre 1997-Dec-17 #5 built 1998-Jan-8) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:42:04 -0500 (EST) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au (IP-Filter Mailing List), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 In-Reply-To: Julian Assange's message of ", January 28, 1998 04:45:52 +1100" regarding "Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2" id References: Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ On , January 28, 1998 at 04:45:52 (+1100), Julian Assange wrote: ] > Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 > > I did this about 8 months ago. Nobody bothered to incorporate it into > 3.0 though. Have a look in ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/incoming for > ipfilter-proff-final2.tar.gz or words to that effect. If you know > someone who will bother incorporating it into -current, this is a good > place to start. Ah, yes, I remember now when you had announced that.... Unfortunately I can't find it there any more. It seems to have disappeared (FYI there's only a /pub/FreeBSD/incoming). (BTW, we're actually trying to back-port it into RELENG_2_2.) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 10:51:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10554 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10466 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no (2602@grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.131]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA21462 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:50:37 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:50:36 +0100 (MET) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Followup-to: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ThinkPad 380E Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 27 Jan 1998 19:50:36 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Well, it's been a long night and a long day... If anybody's interested, FreeBSD 2.2.5-stable works like a charm on my IBM ThinkPad 380E. I installed 2.2.2-RELEASE (GENERIC, not PAO) over PLIP last night, then ftp'ed the 2.2.5-STABLE source tree (still over PLIP) and made world today. One item of particular interest is that FreeBSD's APM driver works perfectly, whereas Linux fails miserably on an identical machine: the first time you hit the suspend key it suspends, but the second time (after a wakeup) it doesn't. XFree86 3.3.1 (again, I transferred the entire source and binary dists over PLIP) runs well at 800x600x16 with the VGA16 driver. XF86Setup fails to configure it correctly, although it claims success. I had to pull an X config off the Linux ThinkPad Survey web site (no, I'm not proud) to make it work. Only caveat is the flaky floppy drive. After a certain amount of use I get consistent read errors which won't go away until I remove and reinsert the disk if I'm lucky, or cycle power if I'm not. BTW, does anybody run FreeBSD on a ThinkPad 765? I know somebody who runs RedHat Linux on a 765, and when you shut the cover it powers off (without shutting down) instead of suspending. BTW2, you may want to correct the handbook entry about PLIP (handbook17.html, section 2.2.5); it claims that "The data rate over the parallel port is much higher than what is typically possible over a serial line (up to 50k/sec)", which is an understatement. According to 'netstat -w 10', I averaged 90 kBps while ftp'ing large files over a 10' LapLink cable (of course, it did not occur to me to change the MTU to something higher than the default of 1500, so I lost about 10-20 kBps in overhead, but ncftp2 still peaked at 83 kBps although it averaged 75-80) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:02:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13419 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:02:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iq.org (proff@polysynaptic.iq.org [203.4.184.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13214 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:00:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from proff@iq.org) Received: (qmail 24692 invoked by uid 110); 27 Jan 1998 19:01:59 -0000 To: Pedro A M Vazquez Cc: woods@weird.com cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 References: <199801271803.QAA18470@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> From: Julian Assange Date: 28 Jan 1998 06:01:58 +1100 In-Reply-To: Pedro A M Vazquez's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:03:40 -0200 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Pedro A M Vazquez writes: > Julian Assange was saying that: > > > > woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > > > > > > > If anyone has any hints or pointers to FreeBSD-style makefiles for the > > > ip-filter user-land stuff, I'd greatly appreciate receiving them! > > > > > > > I did this about 8 months ago. Nobody bothered to incorporate it into > > 3.0 though. Have a look in ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/incoming for > > ipfilter-proff-final2.tar.gz or words to that effect. If you know > > someone who will bother incorporating it into -current, this is a good > > place to start. > > > 3.0 has a ipfilter in /usr/src/contrib: > > it seems to be 3.2.1: > > 3.2.1 12/11/97 - Released > > I've not tried it on 3.0 yet, doesn't it work? > > Pedro "in contrib" in this case just means someone put the tar ball there. Last time I looked there was no build system or even rudimentary attempts at proper useland compatability. Cheers, Julian. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:10:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14792 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:10:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (cUdW1dblu63Mj3qKkd9VFBDkbX5a8hKj@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14776 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak67.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.67] ([/CofjvUJsA0E5F0wnnes+JPI+dsxvFrh]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xxGQU-0002eT-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:02 +0000 Received: from njs3 by oak67.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xxGP8-0001dr-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:10:38 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:10:38 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TCP_MAXSEG and path MTU discovery Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I've been playing with TCP/IP recently, and it looks like the TCP_MAXSEG option is broken or interacting with path MTU discovery in a non-intuitive way. Or maybe I'm way off track here. Anyway, I'm doing this: opt = atoi(argv[3]); optlen = sizeof(opt); if (setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_TCP, TCP_MAXSEG, &opt, optlen) < 0) perror("setsockopt"), exit(1); if (connect(fd, (struct sockaddr*) &sin, sizeof(sin)) < 0) perror("connect"), exit(1); if (getsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_TCP, TCP_MAXSEG, &opt, &optlen) < 0) perror("getsockopt"), exit(1); else printf("%d\n", opt); With argv[3] == "300", I'm getting this, 146.169.50.56 being my host. 19:04:07.726242 146.169.50.56.1171 > 146.169.46.7.21: S 1185413053:1185413053(0) win 16384 (DF) 19:04:07.728505 146.169.46.7.21 > 146.169.50.56.1171: S 4095294624:4095294624(0) ack 1185413054 win 8760 (DF) 19:04:07.728603 146.169.50.56.1171 > 146.169.46.7.21: . ack 4095294625 win 17520 (DF) What happened to my maximum segment size?? (Yes, the program prints 1460) Regards, Niall From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:14:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15564 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bootp.sls.usu.edu (bootp.sls.usu.edu [129.123.15.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15553 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu) Received: (from kurto@localhost) by bootp.sls.usu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id MAA18031 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:13:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:13:41 -0700 (MST) From: Kurt Olsen Message-Id: <199801271913.MAA18031@bootp.sls.usu.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Proposed PNP changes Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk After checking out the PNP support in 3.0 and 2.5-STABLE, I came to the conclusion that it could do more. So here's my thoughts, and hopefully I'll get something done this weekend. The primary changes I want to make: 1 - grok the configuration information before USERCONFIG and identify all LDNs and the resources they want as well as the configuration values they accept. 2 - recognize the compatible tag for devices where we don't have card specific drivers, but we do have general drivers. ie. I have a plug and play ethernet card that's been in hardwired mode for the last year, but it's ne2000 compatible and there's no reason it couldn't be dynamically configured before the ed0 probe. Any suggestions? Or comments? Any reason why I won't be able to run the isolation protocol before userconfig? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:27:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17627 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17622 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11444 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801271926.LAA11444@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:26:41 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how much they cost? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:33:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18617 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18540; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:32:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp78.wcc.net [208.6.232.78]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18855; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:29:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA06176; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:31:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:31:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801271931.NAA06176@detlev.UUCP> To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: mike@smith.net.au, doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au, mike@smith.net.au, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801270720.CAA00625@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801270720.CAA00625@dyson.iquest.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> As Julian said, see how the code in the kernel handles reading executable >> images. It's moderately painful, but definitely the Right Way to do it. > You should refer to the code in -current, because the older stuff had some > problems. Also, you can do vn_open, vn_read, vn_write, > vn_close if you want to. There are the options to do I/O to/from system > space. The only reason (that I know of) that the exec code doesn't use > the vn_* calls is for efficiency reasons, so lots of stuff is bypassed > and done slightly VMish as opposed to file I/Oish. Gotcha. I'll go over that. > I don't have lots of time to tutor, but what you should be able to do is: I don't ask for tutoring, but being new to the FreeBSD kernel (not to mention relatively new to FreeBSD in general), I do need people to occasionally point me towards functions I can look into. > I know that it seems to be complicated, but not really worse than doing > I/O in user-land on VMS :-). That's actually considerably less complicated than I was anticipating. -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19416 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:37:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19305 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA02222; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:04:52 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801271804.TAA02222@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Proposed PNP changes To: kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:04:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801271913.MAA18031@bootp.sls.usu.edu> from "Kurt Olsen" at Jan 27, 98 12:13:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > After checking out the PNP support in 3.0 and 2.5-STABLE, I came to the > conclusion that it could do more. So here's my thoughts, and hopefully > I'll get something done this weekend. > > The primary changes I want to make: > > 1 - grok the configuration information before USERCONFIG and identify > all LDNs and the resources they want as well as the configuration > values they accept. This is ok, but be sure not to overwrite the kernel table with the info from the previous config. In particular for those entries with the "os" flag set. > 2 - recognize the compatible tag for devices where we don't have > card specific drivers, but we do have general drivers. ie. I > have a plug and play ethernet card that's been in hardwired mode > for the last year, but it's ne2000 compatible and there's no > reason it couldn't be dynamically configured before the ed0 > probe. you are suggesting two things I believe: one is to do more than what our PnP does now, i.e. recognize compatible tags; this requires to run a little bit more of the pnp protocol, much like pnpinfo does. It adds a little bit of complexity to the code though. The other one is to make additional drivers PnP aware. jmg already did this for sio, and this is not hard at all. > Any suggestions? Or comments? Any reason why I won't be able to > run the isolation protocol before userconfig? just lazyness on my side, because function pnp_isolation_protocol() currently does both the insolation protocol and calls the config afterwards. It should not be hard to split this into two pieces and call one before userconfig, and the other one when configuring PnP devices. Just make sure that the insolation gets called even when userconfig is not used. And thanks a lot for volunteering to clean up this code! cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20212 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from webserver.smginc.com (webserver.smginc.com [204.170.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20202 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:40:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com ([204.170.177.4]) by webserver.smginc.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13723) with SMTP id AAA193 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:41:52 -0500 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <34CE61E6@smginc.com>; Tue, 27 Jan 98 14:38:30 PST From: Adam Turoff To: freebsd-hackers Subject: RE: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 14:38:00 PST Message-ID: <34CE61E6@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how > much they cost? Don't have much FreeBSD specific info, but I remember reading an article within the last 2 weeks about Gigabit NICs, and the results were rather interesting. WebWeek perhaps? Sunworld? They tested about 3 NICs on platforms that could run 2 OSes - AlphaServers for NT/DecUNIX, etc. I remember the average throughput was around 400Mbit, with the high water mark being 600Mbit for Irix (?) doing UDP. All in all, the NT tests were rather lame seemed to hover around 200Mbit. Obviously a problem in the networking stack. :-) Some of these cards were PCI, so it's only a case of driver support for FreeBSD, and of course cost. HTH, -- Adam. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:43:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20901 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20875 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:42:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (newip70.wcc.net [206.104.247.70]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA19775; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:39:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA06223; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:42:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:42:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801271942.NAA06223@detlev.UUCP> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <16061.885755982.1@time.cdrom.com> <199801270529.XAA04108@detlev.UUCP> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>> With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think >>> daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, >> Is this graphical, or textual? > Graphical. If I wanted a text-mode logo I'd use daemon_saver... Then we seem to be working on very similar (nearly identical) projects. Do you want to try to work together, or perhaps just one of us finish it out? I am working on a general shell for a graphical screensaver, so that anybody can use my code and just write the core. If you'd like to wait for this to finish (probably another week or so, God and vendors willing), then it may make your work easier. On the other hand, if you're enjoying hacking the graphical screensaver code, and want to work it out, maybe we can coordinate our work. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21812 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:47:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21790 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:47:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18604; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:47:20 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA00290; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:47:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980127204714.58677@follo.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:47:14 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Amancio Hasty Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? References: <199801271926.LAA11444@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199801271926.LAA11444@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 11:26:41AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 11:26:41AM -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how > much they cost? I seem to remember there being support for MyriNet floating around as a non-integrated driver. Apart from that, I "don't know naathing", to cite our Barcelonian friend :-) Eivind. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:48:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22203 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:48:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22162 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp78.wcc.net [208.6.232.78]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA19080; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:31:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA06179; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:34:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:34:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801271934.NAA06179@detlev.UUCP> To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au CC: mike@smith.net.au, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801270651.RAA29592@cain.gsoft.com.au> (doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801270651.RAA29592@cain.gsoft.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> My real concern is holding on to lots of dynamically allocated kernel >> memory, which is something I can't see getting around without the >> screen saver doing file I/O. In Linux, dynamic kernel memory was a >> precious resource. Is it not so in FreeBSD? > Umm, well wouldn't it be allocated in either case? > You either load it in the kernel, or you load it in user land, and > then copy it to the kernel.. You still take kernel memory to do it. In Linux (when I was hacking it), dynamically allocated kernel memory was on the `very precious' scale, as opposed to statically allocated memory, which was on the `precious' scale. My point was that without having the size of the image ahead of time, then you would always need to dynamically allocate memory, and I was looking for a way to use the vnode instead, and let the I/O subsystem buffer everything as needed. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:50:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22798 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22748 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexlh@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (alexlh@xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.42]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id UAA28942 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:49:40 +0100 (MET) From: alexlh@xs4all.nl Received: from localhost (alexlh@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA29754 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:49:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:36:13 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-hacker@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ipfw patch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I use ipfw a lot. It's really nice. One thing bothered me though; sometimes there would be a typo in the rules file, causing ipfw not to finish adding all the rules. This has been a problem, as most of our servers are located behind a large, locked door and I usually do things to them over the network. I've patched ipfw so that it's now possible to let it process a ruleset without actually adding the rules to the kernel. It now checks to see if the executable is actually named 'ipfw' before the setsockopt() call. Create a symlink named (for example) testipw pointing to the ipfw executable, and all will be fine. Alex Le Heux ----------------- CUT HERE ------------------- *** ipfw.c Wed Mar 5 13:30:08 1997 --- ipfw.c.new Tue Jan 27 20:37:36 1998 *************** *** 799,807 **** if (!do_quiet) show_ipfw(&rule); ! i = setsockopt(s, IPPROTO_IP, IP_FW_ADD, &rule, sizeof rule); ! if (i) ! err(1,"setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD)"); } void --- 799,809 ---- if (!do_quiet) show_ipfw(&rule); ! if (strcmp(progname, "ipfw") == 0) { ! i = setsockopt(s, IPPROTO_IP, IP_FW_ADD, &rule, sizeof rule); ! if (i) ! err(1,"setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD)"); ! } } void From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:51:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23390 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23372 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA16759; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd016755; Tue Jan 27 11:51:33 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id LAA19012; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199801271951.LAA19012@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <34CE61E6@smginc.com> from Adam Turoff at "Jan 27, 98 02:38:00 pm" To: AdamT@smginc.com (Adam Turoff) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk If I recall it correct, Cisco is selling a PCI card for like $150 or so, to give people some hardware to develop with. This card was shown by the Director who is managing the GigaBit Ethernet development at Cisco sometimes last year at the BayLisa meeting. > > >Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how > > much they cost? > > Don't have much FreeBSD specific info, but I remember reading an article > within the last 2 weeks about Gigabit NICs, and the results were rather > interesting. > WebWeek perhaps? Sunworld? > > They tested about 3 NICs on platforms that could run 2 OSes - > AlphaServers > for NT/DecUNIX, etc. I remember the average throughput was around > 400Mbit, > with the high water mark being 600Mbit for Irix (?) doing UDP. > > All in all, the NT tests were rather lame seemed to hover around 200Mbit. > Obviously > a problem in the networking stack. :-) > > Some of these cards were PCI, so it's only a case of driver support for > FreeBSD, > and of course cost. > > HTH, > > -- Adam. > > Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:55:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24243 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:55:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iq.org (proff@polysynaptic.iq.org [203.4.184.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24208 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:54:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from proff@iq.org) Received: (qmail 29737 invoked by uid 110); 27 Jan 1998 19:55:41 -0000 To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Cc: ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au (IP-Filter Mailing List), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 References: From: Julian Assange Date: 28 Jan 1998 06:55:40 +1100 In-Reply-To: woods@most.weird.com's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:42:04 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) writes: > [ On , January 28, 1998 at 04:45:52 (+1100), Julian Assange wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 > > > > I did this about 8 months ago. Nobody bothered to incorporate it into > > 3.0 though. Have a look in ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/incoming for > > ipfilter-proff-final2.tar.gz or words to that effect. If you know > > someone who will bother incorporating it into -current, this is a good > > place to start. > > Ah, yes, I remember now when you had announced that.... > > Unfortunately I can't find it there any more. It seems to have > disappeared (FYI there's only a /pub/FreeBSD/incoming). > > (BTW, we're actually trying to back-port it into RELENG_2_2.) There seems to be a copy in ftp://suburbia.net/pub/proff/ still. Cheers, Julian. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 11:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25534 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:59:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25449 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no (2602@grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.131]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA27664 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:58:38 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:58:37 +0100 (MET) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Graphical screen saver Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 27 Jan 1998 20:58:37 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The source is in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming/logo_saver.tgz on wcarchive. You'll need to patch syscons.c to make it work; a unified diff and rudimentary installation instructions are included in the tarball. As always, I appreciate feedback of any kind... -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 12:10:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28080 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from most.weird.com (root@most.weird.com [204.92.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27960 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:09:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woods@mail.weird.com) Received: from localhost (1347 bytes) by most.weird.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:14 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.102-Pre 1997-Dec-17 #5 built 1998-Jan-8) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:14 -0500 (EST) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: Julian Assange Cc: ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au (IP-Filter Mailing List), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 In-Reply-To: Julian Assange's message of ", January 28, 1998 06:55:40 +1100" regarding "Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2" id References: Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ On , January 28, 1998 at 06:55:40 (+1100), Julian Assange wrote: ] > Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 > > There seems to be a copy in ftp://suburbia.net/pub/proff/ still. Yes, thank you, I did find it there eventually. BTW there's no copy in the similar but separate ftp.suburbia.net.... -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 12:11:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28463 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:11:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28410 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:11:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no (2602@grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.131]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA27385 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:55:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grjottunagard.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:55:02 +0100 (MET) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File I/O in kernel land (was: Re: 2nd warning: 2.2.6 BETA begins in 10 days!) References: <16061.885755982.1@time.cdrom.com> <199801270529.XAA04108@detlev.UUCP> <199801271942.NAA06223@detlev.UUCP> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) In-Reply-To: Joel Ray Holveck's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:42:25 -0600 (CST)" Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Date: 27 Jan 1998 20:55:01 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck writes: > >>> With that in mind, I have a "bouncing logo" screen saver lkm (think > >>> daemon_saver_mod crossed with splashkit) I'd like to submit. However, > >> Is this graphical, or textual? > > Graphical. If I wanted a text-mode logo I'd use daemon_saver... > Then we seem to be working on very similar (nearly identical) > projects. Do you want to try to work together, or perhaps just one of > us finish it out? I'm done; I just mailed my code to Jordan. FWIW, I'll upload it to incoming on ftp.freebsd.org... Should be there within half an hour. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 12:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03230 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:38:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03206 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11799; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801272037.MAA11799@rah.star-gate.com> To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: AdamT@smginc.com (Adam Turoff), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:51:13 PST." <199801271951.LAA19012@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <11796.885933475.1@rah> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:37:55 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Do you have a contact at Cisco for the $150 Gigabit Ethernet card ? 8) Or perhaps someone from Cisco should step in.... Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 12:40:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03923 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03873 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:39:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from stefan.promo.de (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA25385; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:27:10 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:29:07 +0100 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Niall Smart" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP_MAXSEG and path MTU discovery Message-ID: <2507803.3094925347@stefan.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk --On Die, 27. Jan 1998 19:10 Uhr +0000 "Niall Smart" wrote: > if (setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_TCP, TCP_MAXSEG, &opt, optlen) < 0) > perror("setsockopt"), exit(1); > > if (connect(fd, (struct sockaddr*) &sin, sizeof(sin)) < 0) > perror("connect"), exit(1); > With argv[3] == "300", I'm getting this, 146.169.50.56 being my host. > > 19:04:07.726242 146.169.50.56.1171 > 146.169.46.7.21: S 1185413053:1185413053(0) win 16384 (DF) > 19:04:07.728505 146.169.46.7.21 > 146.169.50.56.1171: S 4095294624:4095294624(0) ack 1185413054 win 8760 (DF) > 19:04:07.728603 146.169.50.56.1171 > 146.169.46.7.21: . ack 4095294625 win 17520 (DF) > > What happened to my maximum segment size?? (Yes, the program prints 1460) Quoting from Stevens, TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol. II, pp. 1022: TCP_MAXSEG option [...] When a SYN is received from the other end with a MSS option, tcp_input calls tcp_mss, and t_maxseg can be set as high as the outgoing interface MTU. [1460 for Ethernet ...] Therefore, after a call to socket but before a connection is established, a process can only decrease the MSS from its default of 512. After a connection is established, the process can decrease the MSS from whatever was selected by tcp_mss. The logic here seems to be that a SYN with MSS is the equivalent of a setsockopt(TCP_MAXSEG). I've haven't read enought to say *why* this is useful, and Net/3 even doesn't include path MTU discovery, so Stevens doesn't explain it's implementation. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 13:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09988 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09948 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (vex-s.isi.edu [128.9.192.240]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23796; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:02:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801272102.NAA23796@tnt.isi.edu> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:47:14 +0100." <19980127204714.58677@follo.net> X-Url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:02:24 -0800 From: Ted Faber Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Eivind Eklund wrote: >On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 11:26:41AM -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: >> >> Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how >> much they cost? > >I seem to remember there being support for MyriNet floating around as a >non-integrated driver. Apart from that, I "don't know naathing", to cite our >Barcelonian friend :-) The current release of the ISI FreeBSD Myrinet driver is available at http://www.isi.edu/div7/atomic2/tar/fbsdMyri-1.1.tar.gz Additional performance enhancements are at: http://www.isi.edu/div7/atomic2/tar/fbsdmyripeer-1.0.tar.gz Check http://www.isi.edu/div7/atomic2/tools.html or http://www.isi.edu/div7/atomic2/ for more information. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 822-1511 x190 PGP Key: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNM5LX4b4eisfQ5rpAQEOCwP/e4v2aeuRh8MI7sXv312YfV3f5TsxEJiC DbiIvHCrruNSOSf8yvdPR/kvTOYipra+VWeVj/DRY/oLxy/10DzvRMZ8VKOuZlQH SEGCjhNc+EOs1GzTZarbzPqxmGWPOat3hhPWsHCFZKSEQ0pwbsEIigCOyL94xwCI COnkuBtDnWQ= =ZZt6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 13:16:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12446 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:16:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (nynCvn3o1k5pmnNLgL/C/L1DBLlOtV7v@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12390 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:15:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak67.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.67] ([fif53kAoURyuRFkGy4yd4mVhMOBcd3sU]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xxINa-0002zm-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:17:10 +0000 Received: from njs3 by oak67.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xxIMD-0001jw-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:15:45 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:15:45 +0000 In-Reply-To: Stefan Bethke "Re: TCP_MAXSEG and path MTU discovery" (Jan 27, 9:29pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Stefan Bethke , Niall Smart Subject: Re: TCP_MAXSEG and path MTU discovery Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Jan 27, 9:29pm, Stefan Bethke wrote: } Subject: Re: TCP_MAXSEG and path MTU discovery > --On Die, 27. Jan 1998 19:10 Uhr +0000 "Niall Smart" > wrote: > > > if (setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_TCP, TCP_MAXSEG, &opt, optlen) < 0) > > perror("setsockopt"), exit(1); > > > > if (connect(fd, (struct sockaddr*) &sin, sizeof(sin)) < 0) > > perror("connect"), exit(1); > > > With argv[3] == "300", I'm getting this, 146.169.50.56 being my host. > > > > 19:04:07.726242 146.169.50.56.1171 > 146.169.46.7.21: S > 1185413053:1185413053(0) win 16384 0,nop,nop,timestamp[|tcp]> (DF) > > 19:04:07.728505 146.169.46.7.21 > 146.169.50.56.1171: S > 4095294624:4095294624(0) ack 1185413054 win 8760 (DF) > > 19:04:07.728603 146.169.50.56.1171 > 146.169.46.7.21: . ack 4095294625 win > 17520 (DF) > > > > What happened to my maximum segment size?? (Yes, the program prints 1460) > > Quoting from Stevens, TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol. II, pp. 1022: > > TCP_MAXSEG option > [...] When a SYN is received from the other end with a MSS option, tcp_input > calls tcp_mss, and t_maxseg can be set as high as the outgoing interface > MTU. [1460 for Ethernet ...] Therefore, after a call to socket but before a > connection is established, a process can only decrease the MSS from its > default of 512. After a connection is established, the process can decrease > the MSS from whatever was selected by tcp_mss. > > The logic here seems to be that a SYN with MSS is the equivalent of a > setsockopt(TCP_MAXSEG). > > I've haven't read enought to say *why* this is useful, and Net/3 even > doesn't include path MTU discovery, so Stevens doesn't explain it's > implementation. Stefen, As far as I can see, this processing is only done on incoming SYN segments (nothing to do with incoming SYN|ACK segments, or outgoing SYN segments) >From tcp_input.c:1947 * * NOTE that this routine is only called when we process an incoming * segment, for outgoing segments only tcp_mssopt is called. * The function tcp_mssopt is commented: /* * Determine the MSS option to send on an outgoing SYN. */ (Bingo?) It uses a simple algorithm: rt = tcp_rtlookup(tp->t_inpcb); if (rt == NULL) return tcp_mssdflt; return rt->rt_ifp->if_mtu - sizeof(struct tcpiphdr); I'm not familiar with the sockets data structures, but shouldn't this function lookup the current value for t_maxseg and if it is valid, use it? I'll look a little more into this now and send another email soon. Regards Niall From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 13:21:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14097 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:21:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14053 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:21:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06499; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:21:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801272121.PAA06499@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:26:41 PST." <199801271926.LAA11444@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:21:10 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how >much they cost? Packet Engines makes one, as well as a full duplex repeater. The NIC's are somewhere in the $1000-1500 range I believe. As for performance, it's not quite gigabit yet. With 2 PPro200's, the TCP performance for larger write sizes is still limited to around 20MB/s. With 533lx alphas, its around 30MB/s or so (the PCI implementation on these boards is completely broken though.) Sadly, NT seems to outperform Linux on the alphas. I have written a FreeBSD driver for these cards. The driver still needs some work, but it at least functions most of the time. :) See www.packetengines.com for more info. Although this hardware does not have an onboard MCP, the problem remains that the BSD TCP/IP stack is simply not suited for these speeds. There really should (at least) be support a combined checksum/copy. Some of the newer boards even have the capability to do the TCP checksum on the board itself. The overhead associated with mbuf chains, and various other things have a significant overhead. Is there anyone interested in doing some work on this? I have been planning on doing it for a while, but simply have not had enough time. The general idea was to implement something along the lines of what Van Jacobson describes in his talks. It would be nice if someone could get source from him, but so far I have had little luck. The viewgraphs are at http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/nrg-talks.html "Design Changes to the Kernel Network Architecture for 4.4BSD" and "Some Design Issues for High-speed Networks" Hope this helps.. Chris Csanady > Tnks, > Amancio > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 13:30:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16649 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bootp.sls.usu.edu (bootp.sls.usu.edu [129.123.15.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16534 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:30:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu) Received: (from kurto@localhost) by bootp.sls.usu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id OAA19113; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:18:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:18:13 -0700 (MST) From: Kurt Olsen Message-Id: <199801272118.OAA19113@bootp.sls.usu.edu> To: kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Proposed PNP changes Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >This is ok, but be sure not to overwrite the kernel table with the >info from the previous config. In particular for those entries with the >"os" flag set. Initially I'll probably use a different structure to store the config information. Mostly so that I can check for allowable values in userconfig. Plus I want to be as paranoid as possible so that I break as little as possible. >you are suggesting two things I believe: one is to do more than what >our PnP does now, i.e. recognize compatible tags; this requires to run >a little bit more of the pnp protocol, much like pnpinfo does. It adds >a little bit of complexity to the code though. Yes. But that's OK. >The other one is to make additional drivers PnP aware. jmg already >did this for sio, and this is not hard at all. I'm not so sure about this one. Unless we get into the pnp concept wholesale and allow dynamic changes of resources, I don't see that it's overly necessary for the device driver to know if a device (eg. my ethernet card) is plug and play or not. I am assuming that I'll be able to configure the card and then just let the normal ed driver handle it. In cases where we can read and interpret the compatiblility tag in a meaningful manner I think it would make more sense to use that than to add driver support for specific device/vendor names. >just lazyness on my side, because function pnp_isolation_protocol() >currently does both the insolation protocol and calls the config >afterwards. It should not be hard to split this into two pieces and >call one before userconfig, and the other one when configuring PnP >devices. Good, I was just a little concerned that perhaps the machine isn't in a state where we could do the isolation/cdn assignments. >Just make sure that the insolation gets called even when >userconfig is not used. Certainly. Even if we don't go to userconfig it will be nice to be able to print out the config information for pnp devices during the probe messages. My real motivation for doing this is that I recently purchased an Opti 925/CS4231A soundcard which has about 5 ldns but I don't know which ldn is which device. (ide controller, joystick, sb & mss and something else which has slipped my mind.) >And thanks a lot for volunteering to clean up this code! Thanks to you and Sujal for getting this going in the first place! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 13:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20276 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20269 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:52:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA26481 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:52:39 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:52:38 -0800 Message-ID: <26477.885937958@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [And no, I'm not sure what the poster for this would look like so maybe we should just skip that part] I just wanted to make the point as 2.2.6 comes up for release here that sysinstall is NOT a sacrosanct piece of code that I growl at people for touching, far from it, and if you have a great yen to substantially improve FreeBSD's "initial out-of-box picture" then making the installation easier/better is a really good way of doing that. I'm always interested in seeing 3rd party improvements to this area of FreeBSD and sysinstall is no exception. In fact, to put it really bluntly, I'm *sick* of sysinstall and would be happy if I never had to touch it again. For those who haven't been following its long and sometimes sad saga, let me give you a brief recap: Back with FreeBSD 2.0 in late 1994, I decided that the existing shell-script based install was too arcane for most folks to cope with and so I prototyped (and I repeat: PROTOTYPED) a new installer based on the rather more visually colorful dialog library and some ideas that phk had worked up for front-ending the guts of disk partition/labeling through the libdisk library. Through sysinstall, I explored and in some cases abandoned various approaches to installing FreeBSD and generally used it for the purpose that all good prototypes should be put to, namely working out what the final product is going to look like. Unfortunately, two things happened in the years following which really threw a wrench into this scenario. One was that I became so much more tied up in project meta-issues like recruitment and arbitration with squabbling project members that my time for doing any actually technical work was substantially diminished. I can't maintain a highly public presence, deal with various project logistics *and* sit down to hack on installation bits for 8 hours a day, there just aren't enough hours available. The second thing that happened was that sysinstall worked essentially too well and there was too much temptation to simply extend it rather that start over. The prototype ssentially became the product and we ALL know what those sorts of products look like - they look like Windows! :-) So now we have essentially the Win95 of system installers, all flash and gaudy colors on the packaging with no real "guts" underneath that could be used to implement a substantially more robust installation and we're stuck with it until a wholly new framework (sysinstall, New Technology edition :) can be devised. We've also just hired Mike Smith at Walnut Creek CDROM to take this one off my plate and hopefully good things will finally start to happen for sysinstall in the near future, but it's not going to help us in the short-term. What would help us in the short term would be some time spent on improving our "Win95" of system installers and essentially take the same approach that any company does with legacy code - try and make it crash a little less often and deal at least with the easier to implement customer enhancement requests. That's all we need to do, just keep it alive a little longer. However, like I said, I've also done a lot of "time" with that code and hacking on it is not really my fondest occupation, though hacking on it in partnership with someone else always goes easiest. Since I also hear requests from time to time for "something to do" from our general population of volunteers- at-large, please let me be the first to point people at /usr/src/release/sysinstall and say JUMP IN! The water is muddy and there might even be some nasty diseases in there, but SOMEBODY's gotta do it! :-) Even if it's just to help me edit the docs in /usr/src/release/sysinstall/help and /usr/src/release/*.TXT, I'm all for a little help. Some of that stuff has gotten _really_ mouldy and could use a good housecleaning from someone who's not me (I've been looking at it for too long to see its more glaring flaws). Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 14:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22502 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from toth.ferginc.com (toth.ferginc.com [205.139.23.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22290 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:00:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from branson@toth.ferginc.com) Received: (from branson@localhost) by toth.ferginc.com (You_Can/Keep_Guessing) id QAA02110; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980127162436.56765@toth.FergInc.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:36 -0500 From: Branson Matheson To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [ezk@cs.columbia.edu: Re: amd and release] Reply-To: Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Organization: Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk FYI.. I have been using this version hapilly in a production environment on my HP's and it is very stable.. I will be taking his suggestion to heart and running it on my fbsd production boxes. They should abuse it quite heavily.. I will be making a port/package when I feel that it is strong enough.. The reason I am chasing this down is that I encountered one of the fixed bugs in our current version today on one of our boxes. Has anyone else been checking into this.. is there any interest? I would like to incorperate it into the source tree at some point.... presumeably when it has been stability checked. -----Forwarded message from Erez Zadok ----- From: Erez Zadok To: Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com Cc: ezk@shekel.mcl.cs.columbia.edu Subject: Re: amd and release In message <19980127152703.42074@toth.FergInc.com>, Branson Matheson writes: >> I am a supporter of FreeBSD... and would like to get a "release" >> version of the am-utils in the near future incorperated into our >> tree. Is there any word on when yall will be putting togeher a >> "release" version of the software? >> >> I just built the latest 6.0a15 and it built cleanly and is working >> well. Let me know if I can be of assistance in getting yall tested >> so that we can get a release version. Thanks! > >FreeBSD (the OS) is stable enough that I've had no problems running am-utils >for a long time on both 2.2.1 and 3.0. IMHO you can feel free to >incorporate am-utils as a package/source into freebsd. The Netbsd and >debian linux groups already do. > >I'm a very careful "releaser". What I call alpha-15 most people consider >advanced beta... I've been told this several times on amd-dev and in >private. My suggestion would be for you to run the latest am-utils on your >freebsd machines, and pound on it with everything you've got. If you and >the rest of the freebsd maintainers feel it's stable enough, go for it. If >you find bugs, I'd be happy to look at them (or incorporate bug fixes). > >I was planning to get a beta-1 release this month. Alas, new features were >just ebing discussed in the last few days, that may change exposed >interfaces (like the amd map syntax), so I'd feel more comfortable if it's >still called "alpha"; that way I can still make changes that are necessary. >Once I go to beta, it'd be harder to make user-visible changes. However, >I've tried very very hard not to change amd' map syntax in any significant >way that would break old functionality, only to add to it. > >Erez. - branson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Branson Matheson " If you are falling off of a mountain, Unix System Administrator You may as well try to fly." Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador ( $statements = ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/; From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 14:09:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25363 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25108; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA11754; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199801272208.OAA11754@kithrup.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD-related article in Dr Dobb's Journal Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In the March, 1998 issue of Dr Dobb's Journal (#283), there's an article called, "Tracing BSD System Calls" (it's even mentioned on the cover), by this wanker named "Sean Eric Fagan"; it describes the design and implementation of an event-based process monitoring system in the FreeBSD kernel. (The original title of the article was "Event-based Process Monitoring in the FreeBSD Operating System, or, How to Develop a Trussing Relationship with Your Kernel.") I don't know when this will hit the stands; I just got two advance copies from a friend who works there. (I'd hope that the magazine would officially send me some, too, but that hasn't happened yet, if ever.) The article describes the earlier version of the kernel code and truss; the stuff that's in -current is *much* better. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 14:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29176 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp4.portal.net.au [202.12.71.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29098 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00450; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:50:08 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801272220.IAA00450@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Kurt Olsen cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposed PNP changes In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:13:41 PDT." <199801271913.MAA18031@bootp.sls.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:50:08 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > After checking out the PNP support in 3.0 and 2.5-STABLE, I came to the > conclusion that it could do more. So here's my thoughts, and hopefully > I'll get something done this weekend. > > The primary changes I want to make: > > 1 - grok the configuration information before USERCONFIG and identify > all LDNs and the resources they want as well as the configuration > values they accept. This isn't as simple as it sounds. You need to be able to call into the PnP BIOS to retrieve the ESCD information for statically-configured devices, and this is where I came unstuck. (The PnP BIOS only provides a 16-bit protected-mode interface, which effectively makes it quite interesting getting back into the kernel afterwards.) > 2 - recognize the compatible tag for devices where we don't have > card specific drivers, but we do have general drivers. ie. I > have a plug and play ethernet card that's been in hardwired mode > for the last year, but it's ne2000 compatible and there's no > reason it couldn't be dynamically configured before the ed0 > probe. This is a subset of a general ID association mechanism. Several implementation concepts have been discussed, but not gotten very far yet. I would suggest a little caution to avoid duplicating effort; at the very least you will want to speak with John-Mark Gurney about the directions his assault on the driver interface are taking. > Any suggestions? Or comments? Any reason why I won't be able to > run the isolation protocol before userconfig? I would strongly advise against blindly running the isolation protocol from scratch. Some more study of the PnP documents (annoying though they are) will reveal that you actually need to cover several different scenarios. Just blindly up and splatting all over the current state of the hardware isn't always the right way to go (unfortunately). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 14:33:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00910 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:33:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horizon.hit.net (root@horizon.hit.net [206.252.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00811 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kermit@horizon.hit.net) Received: from default (win028.hit.net [206.252.160.252]) by horizon.hit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20441 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:56:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34CE60FA.7B79@horizon.hit.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:34:34 -0600 From: Russell Gordon Reply-To: kermit@horizon.hit.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk unsubscribe kermit@horizon.hit.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 14:54:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04816 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:54:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.very.priv.at (root@[194.177.148.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA04766 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:54:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from seawood@very.priv.at) Received: by mail.very.priv.at (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.02/1.01pm) id WAA058.12; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:23:53 +0100 Received: by localhost (CPDV POP3 version 1.22) id AAB5LI; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:23:48 UTC Message-Id: <05810.885936228_pop3d@localhost> From: "Peter Meerwald" To: "hackers@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 23:05:49 +0100 Reply-To: "Peter Meerwald" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: network LKM driver Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am working on a driver for a serial adapter with fakes an ethernet interfaces; the driver makes use of an interrupt and does some port I/O the work is 90 % done - the LKM (it's a misc LKM) is loading and sets up an ethernet interface which works pretty well now I am trying to find a way to unload the LKM and bring the interface down... is anybody interested in this work? has anyone done something similar? anyone interested in a ISA network LKM device driver? Regards, Peter Peter Meerwald Schieastandstr. 3 seawood@very.priv.at A-5061 Elsbethen/Austria pmeerw@cosy.sbg.ac.at fon/fax 43-662-627509 Fidonet 2:315/11 cellular 43-664-1615108 "Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. He is at best a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house." -- from the notebooks of Lazarus Long From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 15:15:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07747 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from keaggy.canonware.com (canonware.com [206.184.206.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07725 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: from localhost (jasone@localhost) by keaggy.canonware.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21339; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:13:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Evans To: garman@earthling.net cc: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu, Darren Reed , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free netscape - good or bad ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 garman@phs.k12.ar.us wrote: > Well, all that remains to be seen, then, is to see whether or not the > Netscape source code compiles with Lesstif :-) cheek...> Oh, I'd imagine it will compile. Working though is another matter. Jason Jason Evans Email: [jasone@canonware.com] Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 15:50:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14876 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:50:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14824 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:50:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id AAA18922; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:50:03 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:50:02 +0100 (MET) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) References: <26477.885937958@time.cdrom.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:50:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:52:38 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > [/stand/sysinstall sucks rocks and needs to be replaced] Personally, I rather like the disk partitioner / label editor. Is anyone fundamentally opposed to extracting it from sysinstall and making a standalone utility of it? -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:00:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17017 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16973 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12311 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd012307; Tue Jan 27 15:53:44 1998 Message-ID: <34CE72B9.7DE14518@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:50:18 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fairings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk for those old-timers in FreeBSD... The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. (yes, the real JMj!) julian p.s. we need to make a BSD daemon picture featuring some fairings in some way! (I mean, "don't expect fairings!") From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:01:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17292 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:01:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iq.org (proff@polysynaptic.iq.org [203.4.184.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17113 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from proff@iq.org) Received: (qmail 29947 invoked by uid 110); 28 Jan 1998 00:02:19 -0000 To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Cc: ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au (IP-Filter Mailing List), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 References: From: Julian Assange Date: 28 Jan 1998 11:02:19 +1100 In-Reply-To: woods@most.weird.com's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:14 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) writes: > [ On , January 28, 1998 at 06:55:40 (+1100), Julian Assange wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 > > > > There seems to be a copy in ftp://suburbia.net/pub/proff/ still. > > Yes, thank you, I did find it there eventually. BTW there's no copy in > the similar but separate ftp.suburbia.net.... mmmmmmm. similar but separate. the chaos theory of ftp mirrors. Cheers, Julian. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:07:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19027 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18944 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:06:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA03510; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003506; Tue Jan 27 16:05:49 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA18271; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801280005.QAA18271@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= at "Jan 28, 98 00:50:01 am" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:05:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by bubba.whistle.com id QAA18271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA18947 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav writes: > > [/stand/sysinstall sucks rocks and needs to be replaced] > > Personally, I rather like the disk partitioner / label editor. Is > anyone fundamentally opposed to extracting it from sysinstall and > making a standalone utility of it? Please! The current ways to add/modify disks are stoneage. Even MS-DOS has a better partition editor than FreeBSD. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20248 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet11.ozemail.com.au (oznet11.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20238 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet11.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA15070 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:14:18 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801280014.LAA15070@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: Subject: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:12:56 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk What are peoples' thoughts on a Java administration tool for FreeBSD? One instant downside would be you'd need an X Server running for any GUI options. Another would be you'd need the Java runtime environment (BTW, this is my first posting, so please flame me gently if I'm in the wrong discussion!). Thoughts? ********************************************************************** Joe Shevland, Horizon Technologies International Pty Ltd Application Developer Email: joe.shevland@horizonti.com Tel : +61-03-6231-9335 Fax : +61-03-6231-9334 ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:21:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21734 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21725 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:21:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA03675; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003673; Tue Jan 27 16:20:53 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA18404; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801280020.QAA18404@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.2.5+ handle 32bit UID In-Reply-To: from Jaye Mathisen at "Jan 26, 98 04:45:34 pm" To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:20:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jaye Mathisen writes: > or 31 bit? > > >From looking at some tests over NFS, it looks like it certainly supports > >65535, but I wanted to know if it was consistent everywhere... > > IE, uid's of 100000+ are OK. Yes, should work. I thought that NFS used 16 bit ids, so it may not work for that. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:26:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22583 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22563 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp id AA05650; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:25:30 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id JAA16215; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:33:08 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801280033.JAA16215@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-Reply-To: Your message of "27 Jan 1998 20:58:37 +0100." References: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:33:07 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >The source is in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming/logo_saver.tgz on wcarchive. >You'll need to patch syscons.c to make it work; a unified diff and >rudimentary installation instructions are included in the tarball. Wow, I will try it on my machine here. Kazu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:29:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23398 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23359 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:29:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA03738; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003736; Tue Jan 27 16:28:13 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA18434; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:28:12 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801280028.QAA18434@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ipfw patch In-Reply-To: from "alexlh@xs4all.nl" at "Jan 27, 98 08:36:13 pm" To: alexlh@xs4all.nl Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:28:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk A good idea.. more traditional though would just be to add a flag to ipfw itself, like "-n" or something. -Archie alexlh@xs4all.nl writes: > I use ipfw a lot. It's really nice. > > One thing bothered me though; sometimes there would be a typo in the rules > file, causing ipfw not to finish adding all the rules. This has been a > problem, as most of our servers are located behind a large, locked door > and I usually do things to them over the network. > > I've patched ipfw so that it's now possible to let it process a ruleset > without actually adding the rules to the kernel. It now checks to see if > the executable is actually named 'ipfw' before the setsockopt() call. > Create a symlink named (for example) testipw pointing to the ipfw > executable, and all will be fine. > > Alex Le Heux > > ----------------- CUT HERE ------------------- > *** ipfw.c Wed Mar 5 13:30:08 1997 > --- ipfw.c.new Tue Jan 27 20:37:36 1998 > *************** > *** 799,807 **** > > if (!do_quiet) > show_ipfw(&rule); > ! i = setsockopt(s, IPPROTO_IP, IP_FW_ADD, &rule, sizeof rule); > ! if (i) > ! err(1,"setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD)"); > } > > void > --- 799,809 ---- > > if (!do_quiet) > show_ipfw(&rule); > ! if (strcmp(progname, "ipfw") == 0) { > ! i = setsockopt(s, IPPROTO_IP, IP_FW_ADD, &rule, sizeof > rule); > ! if (i) > ! err(1,"setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD)"); > ! } > } > > void > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 16:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24033 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24024 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA04979; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:31:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA24026 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 28 Jan 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Personally, I rather like the disk partitioner / label editor. Is > anyone fundamentally opposed to extracting it from sysinstall and > making a standalone utility of it? Opposed to doing it, or opposed to you doing it? ;-) I share your fondness for those particular bits; if you don't want to do the extraction, perhaps I'll look into it. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 17:14:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00922 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:14:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00904 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hutton@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (moo.isi.edu [128.9.160.187]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10116; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:14:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801280114.RAA10116@tnt.isi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Chris Csanady cc: Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hutton@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:21:10 -0600. <199801272121.PAA06499@friley585.res.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:14:10 -0800 From: Anne Hutton Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how > >much they cost? > > Packet Engines makes one, as well as a full duplex repeater. The NIC's > are somewhere in the $1000-1500 range I believe. As for performance, it's > not quite gigabit yet. With 2 PPro200's, the TCP performance for larger > write sizes is still limited to around 20MB/s. we also found that TCP performance for the Myrinet (also a gigabit technology) on PPro200's running FreeBSD was not good - around 160Mbps. UDP performance was better at around 300Mbps. However, to achieve higher throughput for host based IP forwarding we developed a driver capable of "peer DMA". This increased our throughput to 440Mbps. No changes were made to the OS or protocol stack to achieve this. Ted Faber provided the references in an earlier email. BTW what is the MTU on Gigabit ethernet - 1500? Anne Hutton USC/ISI 4676 Admiralty Way, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 Tel: 310-822-1511 ext. 211 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 17:20:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02122 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02055 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09326; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:19:40 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199801280119.XAA09326@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Sendmail problems. To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:19:40 -0200 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, One machine here is locking on sendmail, don't know why. Look: % ps -ax | grep sendmail 178 ?? Ss 0:00.58 sendmail: rejecting connections on port 25: 24 childr 179 ?? I 0:00.10 sendmail: CAA02969: from queue (sendmail) 512 ?? I 0:00.03 sendmail: KAA00740: from queue (sendmail) 616 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: IAA00615: from queue (sendmail) 647 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: IAA00646: from queue (sendmail) 766 ?? I 0:00.01 sendmail: JAA00765: from queue (sendmail) 772 ?? I 0:00.01 sendmail: JAA00771: from queue (sendmail) 776 ?? I 0:00.14 sendmail: JAA00620 colchester.lps.ufrj.br.: client DA 817 ?? I 0:00.04 sendmail: OAA00474: from queue (sendmail) 921 ?? I 0:00.07 sendmail: QAA15708 barra.nce.ufrj.br.: client DATA st 993 ?? I 0:00.07 sendmail: JAA06043: from queue (sendmail) 1096 ?? I 0:00.06 sendmail: MAA01222: from queue (sendmail) 1159 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: MAA01158: from queue (sendmail) 1163 ?? I 0:00.06 sendmail: KAA00933: from queue (sendmail) 1206 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: MAA01202: from queue (sendmail) 1219 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: MAA01218: from queue (sendmail) 1233 ?? I 0:00.05 sendmail: MAA01232 epq.ime.eb.br.: client DATA status 1246 ?? I 0:00.01 sendmail: MAA01245: from queue (sendmail) 1255 ?? I 0:00.07 sendmail: XAB01474: from queue (sendmail) ... At total there are 68 instances of sendmail showing in the ps output. The output of netstat is the following: % netstat -f inet -n | grep 25 tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1688 200.24.18.21.25 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1680 130.149.4.10.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1630 207.82.250.93.25 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1434 146.164.53.254.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 39 0 146.164.53.65.1367 146.164.8.7.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1351 146.164.47.130.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 54 0 146.164.53.65.1350 146.164.53.1.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 54 0 146.164.53.65.1333 146.164.53.91.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1025 146.164.63.4.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1024 146.164.53.126.25 CLOSE_WAIT So, all these sendmails are not waiting for connection. They're blocked somewhere. But, where ? And why ? If I run sendmail -q -v by hand, the messages are sucessfully delivered. I don't intend to put sendmail -q in crontab, but would rather know why this is happening. Could somebody help ? This machine has been somewhat recently installed, and is running a -stable from 97.12.08. Older kernel versions also showed this behaviour, and I have other machines with MUCH more email trafic that don't have this problem. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 17:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02398 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:20:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02230 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA16130; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:19:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:19:25 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Joe Shevland cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: <199801280014.LAA15070@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Joe Shevland wrote: > What are peoples' thoughts on a Java administration tool for FreeBSD? One > instant downside would be you'd need an X Server running for any GUI > options. Another would be you'd need the Java runtime environment (BTW, > this is my first posting, so please flame me gently if I'm in the wrong > discussion!). > > Thoughts? Better than a web/form-based admin tool. I find both Netscape and BSDI's administration interfaces using frames/html/forms very frustrating to use :). I had considered working on a Java-based interface, but currently our configuration is relatively non-standard for user-management (Kerberos, non-standard passwd/group distribution with signatures, etc), making such a tool un-useful for anyone else :). The lack of a text-interface is a problem though; if the Java interface accessed another admin daemon, which then interfaced to scripts to perform the management activities, this might actually be alright; anyone could write a front-end for the scripts and retain functionality (and similarly, people wouldn't have to modify the java management program to make small admin changes). Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 17:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03749 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:25:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakky.dyn.ml.org (lee@ppp-24-225.tidalwave.net [208.220.24.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03609 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lee@wakky.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from lee@localhost) by wakky.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00604; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:24:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980127202407.64490@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:24:07 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <26477.885937958@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpiur579zq=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav_on_Wed=2C_Jan_28=2C_1998_at?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_12=3A50=3A01AM_+0100?= X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 12:50:01AM +0100, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Personally, I rather like the disk partitioner / label editor. Is > anyone fundamentally opposed to extracting it from sysinstall and > making a standalone utility of it? No opposition here; in fact, this is something whose time has come. fdisk(8) sucks, to put it bluntly, and disklabel -e isn't as smooth as it could be. -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | hcremean (at) vt.edu FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://wakky.dyn.ml.org/~lee | finger me for geek code From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 17:44:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09159 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:44:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from webserver.smginc.com (webserver.smginc.com [204.170.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09145 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com ([204.170.177.4]) by webserver.smginc.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13723) with SMTP id AAA148 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:41:17 -0500 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <34CEB621@smginc.com>; Tue, 27 Jan 98 20:37:53 PST From: Adam Turoff To: hackers Subject: Admin GUI tool (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU . :-)) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 20:39:00 PST Message-ID: <34CEB621@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Robert Watson writes: > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Joe Shevland wrote: > > > What are peoples' thoughts on a Java administration tool for FreeBSD? One > > instant downside would be you'd need an X Server running for any GUI > > options. Another would be you'd need the Java runtime environment (BTW, > > this is my first posting, so please flame me gently if I'm in the wrong > > discussion!). > > > > Thoughts? > > Better than a web/form-based admin tool. I find both Netscape and BSDI's > administration interfaces using frames/html/forms very frustrating to use > :). I had considered working on a Java-based interface, but currently our > configuration is relatively non-standard for user-management (Kerberos, > non-standard passwd/group distribution with signatures, etc), making such > a tool un-useful for anyone else :). > > The lack of a text-interface is a problem though; if the Java interface > accessed another admin daemon, which then interfaced to scripts to perform > the management activities, this might actually be alright; anyone could > write a front-end for the scripts and retain functionality (and similarly, > people wouldn't have to modify the java management program to make small > admin changes). If you want to start writing a nifty GUI admin tool, then great. The admin tools that come with AIX are supposed to be well worth it. (Not having used AIX I can't confirm/deny this assertion.) If it were MY FreeBSD box and MY GUI admin tool, I'd probably want it written in tcl/tk. It's relatively low overhead, and the source/interpreter are in the public domain. No worrying about getting the proper JDK build statically linked against the proper X libs, etc. It would also be nice if there was a curses-style interface as well. Python might also be a reasonable candidate. Perl/tk would require that tk be installed by default with every FreeBSD perl installation - not something you can realistically expect. As for web based administration, you're right. It has its uses, but unless done very well, it can be very clumsy and insecure. The java approach just seems way too heavyweight for a free OS these days. If it were Slowlaris, where you had amazing Java support in the base OS, that would be a different story. -- Adam. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 17:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10388 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10360 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:52:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07604; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:52:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801280152.TAA07604@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hutton@ISI.EDU cc: Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:14:10 PST." <199801280114.RAA10116@tnt.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:52:19 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> >> >Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how >> >much they cost? >> >> Packet Engines makes one, as well as a full duplex repeater. The NIC's >> are somewhere in the $1000-1500 range I believe. As for performance, it's >> not quite gigabit yet. With 2 PPro200's, the TCP performance for larger >> write sizes is still limited to around 20MB/s. > >we also found that TCP performance for the Myrinet (also a gigabit technology) >on PPro200's running FreeBSD was not good - around 160Mbps. >UDP performance was better at around 300Mbps. However, to achieve higher >throughput for host based IP forwarding we developed a driver capable of "peer >DMA". This increased our throughput to 440Mbps. No changes were made to the OS >or protocol stack to achieve this. Ted Faber provided the references in an >earlier email. How are you doing the "peer dma?" Is it zero copy? Although it is possible to get good performance without modifying the stack, this is unfair, imho. There is very little hardware that is as smart as the myrinet boards. They are definately nice.. > >BTW what is the MTU on Gigabit ethernet - 1500? Yes, disappointing isn't it? This alone makes it impossible to do anything reasonably efficient. Now it will most likely be a mediocre technology for high performance networking. It will still be good for backbones though, where individual machines can't push that much data. Is this not reason enough to improve the stack though? Chris From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 17:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11966 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com (root@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com [205.218.4.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11905 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from std@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com) Received: from opium (opium [10.0.0.3]) by pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/BIGbewtyh0ez) with SMTP id TAA24777 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:51:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from std@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com) Message-Id: <199801280151.TAA24777@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:56:38 -0600 (CST) From: Kraft Jeremy Reply-To: Kraft Jeremy Subject: mailing list. To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: ocLldK0Vdbt9BNFI4DXkDQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4c sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk sorry to ask, but how do i get off of this mailing list?.. Thanks alot. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 18:39:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18365 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:39:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us [207.33.75.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18342 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us) Received: from localhost (abelits@localhost) by phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20554; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:52:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:52:03 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Belits To: Adam Turoff cc: hackers Subject: Re: Admin GUI tool (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU . :-)) In-Reply-To: <34CEB621@smginc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Adam Turoff wrote: > If you want to start writing a nifty GUI admin tool, then great. The > admin > tools that come with AIX are supposed to be well worth it. (Not having > used AIX I can't confirm/deny this assertion.) AIX SMIT worth it only because AIX itself has all administration done by large number of command-line utilities that edit text and simultaneously binary database, and none of those utilities have anything to do with Unix. If AIX had human-usable configuration files, vi will be more useful. And yes, SMIT (both Motif and curses-based interfaces) is a simple menu/form system that composes arguments for those utilities and processes its output only to display it as some list -- it can be done in HTML easier. > If it were MY FreeBSD box and MY GUI admin tool, I'd probably want it > written in tcl/tk. It's relatively low overhead, and the > source/interpreter > are in the public domain. No worrying about getting the proper JDK build > statically linked against the proper X libs, etc. Red Hat Linux distribution has exactly that, but its installation program is entirely text-based -- and considering that Linux distribution is supposed to work on notebooks with all kinds of weird hardware. RH 5.0 installer did everything well on my Micron TransPort XPE, but at the end royally screwed up X configuration. Since it happened on already working system, it was possible to reboot, then manually configure X. Even though one can do things the XFree86 installer way (starting with the most safe mode), non-X-based installer still will be nicer and safer. > It would also be nice if there was a curses-style interface as well. > > Python might also be a reasonable candidate. Perl/tk would require that > tk be installed by default with every FreeBSD perl installation - not > something you can realistically expect. > > As for web based administration, you're right. It has its uses, but > unless > done very well, it can be very clumsy and insecure. Any administration tool, unless done very well, will be very clumsy and insecure. HTTP has the advantage that it really can be started on anything and use anything from lynx to netscape as a client. Of course, it has huge number of features to misuse, but if done well it works well on everything. Security depends entirely on the client authentication, and if one uses localhost for installation and local configuration, and ssh forwarding for remote one (no, I don't have SSL-capable HTTP server on every box I use), it's really hard to make the system insecure if any HTTP authentication is used. > The java approach > just seems way too heavyweight for a free OS these days. If it were > Slowlaris, where you had amazing Java support in the base OS, that > would be a different story. Solaris is a heavyweight thing in itself, no one will notice if they will rewrite the whole CDE in java and ship it with every box. As for java security, it will add none because java is relatively secure as the source of problems for the host system, it runs on -- the harm that can be done to anything it handles entirely depends on the programmer and, in the case of remote administration, on the protocol used. -- Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 18:57:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21324 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:57:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21279 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:56:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp89.wcc.net [208.6.232.89]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03255; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:53:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA08226; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:52:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:52:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801280252.UAA08226@detlev.UUCP> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The source is in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming/logo_saver.tgz on wcarchive. > You'll need to patch syscons.c to make it work; a unified diff and > rudimentary installation instructions are included in the tarball. > As always, I appreciate feedback of any kind... I haven't compiled it yet, but here's my thoughts. If we're going to do start doing graphical screensavers, then I suggest making the mechanism more general, rather than requiring a separate timeout. To this end, I recommend adding a variable whereby the screensaver is responsible for letting syscons know if the current mode is known to it. The new variable is scrn_saver_mode. The screen saver is responsible for setting it when it changes the mode, and setting it to 0 when it unblanks the screen. (The latter task should probably be relegated to syscons.) I haven't tested this yet; I'm recompiling now. If all goes well, then I should have a screensaver ready hopefully tonight. Happy hacking, joelh --- /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/syscons.c.ctm Tue Jan 20 00:09:06 1998 +++ /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/syscons.c Tue Jan 27 20:33:34 1998 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ /*- - * Copyright (c) 1992-1997 Søren Schmidt + * Copyright (c) 1992-1998 Søren Schmidt * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without @@ -135,6 +135,7 @@ static int delayed_next_scr = FALSE; static long scrn_blank_time = 0; /* screen saver timeout value */ int scrn_blanked = 0; /* screen saver active flag */ + int scrn_saver_mode = 0; static long scrn_time_stamp; u_char scr_map[256]; u_char scr_rmap[256]; @@ -2163,7 +2164,8 @@ } /* should we just return ? */ - if ((scp->status&UNKNOWN_MODE) || blink_in_progress || switch_in_progress) { + if (((scp->status&UNKNOWN_MODE)&&(scp->mode!=scrn_saver_mode)) + || blink_in_progress || switch_in_progress) { timeout(scrn_timer, NULL, hz / 10); splx(s); return; -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 19:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23369 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23284 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA29033; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:06:17 -0800 (PST) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "28 Jan 1998 00:50:01 +0100." Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:06:16 -0800 Message-ID: <29029.885956776@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Personally, I rather like the disk partitioner / label editor. Is > anyone fundamentally opposed to extracting it from sysinstall and > making a standalone utility of it? Before you do that, you might though also rewrite it to incorporate the disk selection, slice editing and partition labeling stuff all into one screen with "scrolling" regions like it should have been done in the first place. If you consider the 2.0 system installer, for example, you'll find that many people liked it because it integrated the three in one easy-to-figure out screen. The only reason I ended up breaking it into multiple screens was the fact that I was running out of screen real-estate and was too lazy to implement actual scrolling field behavior in curses, that's all. I think it could be returned to this with a little work and the end-result would be much easier disk configuration. The Novice installation shouldn't even bring up that screen by default, its choices being more along the lines of: Would you like to: 1) Use the entire disk for FreeBSD. 2) Use only unallocated space for FreeBSD. 3) Edit the partition table manually. with choices 1 and 2 automagically handling all the other configuration details as necessary based on how much space the user has available, etc. If we drop the user into the partition editing screen at all it should be because they either explicitly asked us to or because we really couldn't avoid it. Most beginning users neither know nor care about such details, they just know roughly how much disk they want to devote to FreeBSD. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 19:12:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24635 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24595 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA29107; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:38 -0800 (PST) To: Archie Cobbs cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:05:49 PST." <199801280005.QAA18271@bubba.whistle.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:38 -0800 Message-ID: <29104.885957158@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Please! The current ways to add/modify disks are stoneage. > Even MS-DOS has a better partition editor than FreeBSD. > > -Archie Hey, I've seen you do some pretty slick stuff with the C language, Archie, how about convincing Whistle that you need to spend a little time helping us with this, eh? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 19:16:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25508 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:16:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25396 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA29140; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:16:16 -0800 (PST) To: "Joe Shevland" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:12:56 +1100." <199801280014.LAA15070@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:16:16 -0800 Message-ID: <29136.885957376@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > What are peoples' thoughts on a Java administration tool for FreeBSD? One I feel the same way about this as I do about all the proposals I've seen for web-based administration and installation tools in general: Doing this is not an easy nut to crack, and security concerns are not entirely trivial, but if you think you can do it then by all means GO FOR IT! Unfortunately, it would also seem that most people are only good for suggesting that a Java or plain-HTML based admin tool would be a good thing and not so much good for actually coding up the proof-of-concept that'd be required to make it anything more than a simple and often-made suggestion. ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 19:40:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28937 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28921 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19371; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd019367; Tue Jan 27 19:38:50 1998 Message-ID: <34CEA77B.500F9F30@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:35:23 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) References: <29029.885956776@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I will be doing somethign like this.. unfortunatly it will probably work best for the SLICE/DEVFS version of the system. However I need to do that before devfs can be widely used. The present tools can be used but it takes a bit too much specialised knowledge. julian > Before you do that, you might though also rewrite it to incorporate > the disk selection, slice editing and partition labeling stuff all > into one screen with "scrolling" regions like it should have been done > in the first place. If you consider the 2.0 system installer, for > example, you'll find that many people liked it because it integrated > the three in one easy-to-figure out screen. The only reason I ended > up breaking it into multiple screens was the fact that I was running > out of screen real-estate and was too lazy to implement actual > scrolling field behavior in curses, that's all. I think it could be > returned to this with a little work and the end-result would be much > easier disk configuration. The Novice installation shouldn't even > bring up that screen by default, its choices being more along the > lines of: > > Would you like to: > 1) Use the entire disk for FreeBSD. > 2) Use only unallocated space for FreeBSD. > 3) Edit the partition table manually. > > with choices 1 and 2 automagically handling all the other > configuration details as necessary based on how much space the user > has available, etc. If we drop the user into the partition editing > screen at all it should be because they either explicitly asked us to > or because we really couldn't avoid it. Most beginning users neither > know nor care about such details, they just know roughly how much disk > they want to devote to FreeBSD. > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 19:41:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29260 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29225 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:41:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA05553; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005551; Tue Jan 27 19:40:50 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA22097; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801280340.TAA22097@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: <29104.885957158@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 27, 98 07:12:38 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: archie@whistle.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > Please! The current ways to add/modify disks are stoneage. > > Even MS-DOS has a better partition editor than FreeBSD. > > Hey, I've seen you do some pretty slick stuff with the C language, > Archie, how about convincing Whistle that you need to spend a little > time helping us with this, eh? :-) I would, except we already did that :-) Actually I wrote a program that fdisks and disklabels a disk based on reading a config file that specifies the partitions.. it's based on sysinstall and using libdisk. It might make for a good starting point.. I'd be happy to share it with anyone whose interested. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04416 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04390 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:00:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA02463; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:39:26 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199801280339.DAA02463@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Archie Cobbs cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.2.5+ handle 32bit UID In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:20:52 PST." <199801280020.QAA18404@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:39:26 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Jaye Mathisen writes: > > or 31 bit? > > > > >From looking at some tests over NFS, it looks like it certainly supports > > >65535, but I wanted to know if it was consistent everywhere... > > > > IE, uid's of 100000+ are OK. > > Yes, should work. I thought that NFS used 16 bit ids, so it may not > work for that. Hmm, I read (probably from usenet) today that ``ar'' doesn't grok big uids. > -Archie > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:22:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07294 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:22:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07285 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA29428; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:22:15 -0800 (PST) To: Archie Cobbs cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:49 PST." <199801280340.TAA22097@bubba.whistle.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:22:15 -0800 Message-ID: <29424.885961335@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I would, except we already did that :-) Actually I wrote a program > that fdisks and disklabels a disk based on reading a config file that > specifies the partitions.. it's based on sysinstall and using libdisk. Decoupling the two tasks entirely is also something I've considered. :) I'd be interested in seeing your approach here. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09356 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:36:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09335 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atf3r@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from ares.cs.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id ab13284; 27 Jan 98 23:36 EST Received: from mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (mamba-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.18]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20690; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (atf3r@localhost) by mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03207; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:34:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU: atf3r owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fairings In-Reply-To: <34CE72B9.7DE14518@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > for those old-timers in FreeBSD... > > The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings > was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. > (yes, the real JMj!) Heh, it is hard to forget jmonroy. I just got interested in the QIC quarterly when he up and quit crossposting it. :-/ Does anyone have a copy of the Fairings post any longer? It doesn't come up when searching minnie. I feel foolish not saving a copy. Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualzation Lab -->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:43:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10479 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10472 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:43:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21858; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:13:02 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA17402; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:13:02 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980128151301.26241@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:13:01 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Adrian Filipi-Martin Cc: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, c@lemis.com Subject: Re: Fairings References: <34CE72B9.7DE14518@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Adrian T. Filipi-Martin on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 11:34:57PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 11:34:57PM -0500, Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > >> for those old-timers in FreeBSD... >> >> The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings >> was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. >> (yes, the real JMj!) > > Heh, it is hard to forget jmonroy. I just got interested in the > QIC quarterly when he up and quit crossposting it. :-/ > > Does anyone have a copy of the Fairings post any longer? It > doesn't come up when searching minnie. I feel foolish not saving a copy. From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) Subject: More on the Conflict of Interest Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 01:01:47 GMT Lines: 62 More on the Conflict of Interest -------------------------------- Recently, in light of the ensueing processes which are deteremined to their rightness, I have been working on the projects that make my financial and professional interest. In short, I don't have time for petty in-fighting. I did not (and have not had) time to read the thread which mentioned the "non-merger" of the *bsd interests. So, comments by me at this time are without reflection on all the present facts. Also, e-mail to me about the "moderator please resign, BS" is sitting in my in-box, and will not be answer until after "The Great Debate". I am aware that at times some of my comments seemed a bit of line, but without all the facts it is just that (a seemingly out-of-line-comment). I really don't have time to play the games that people like T. Deradt want to play. Comment about "net-bag-lady", "mentally-unstable", "politically-uncorrect" and "non-net-equitte" are plain bull, a waste of my time and show a great deal of unprofessionalisim by those involved. In addition, language of vulgar context is not appreciated in my "mbox". In short, expect a harsher treatment by me to you (that take on these tactics). I will still be continuing with this newsgroup, but I must for the sake of the moronic-unstable-childish-pathetic- pre-adolescent-wannabes with dillusion of being the next Bill Gates take on new tactics: 1) Don't expect fairings. 2) If confused read #1. 3) If you can't find a rule to apply read rule #1. 4) If you work for BSDI, USL, Novell or UUNET read rule #1. 5) If you want me to play by *your* rules read rule #1. 6) If you want to reason with me, then send reasonable mail else read rule #1. 7) If you've got a problem with my attitude or the way I say things read rule #1. 8) If you are going to mail me a nasty "this posting is just your way of proving your a XXX" read rule #1. 9) If you expect that I will do less on the account of a handful of wannabes, read rule #1. 10) In case of any confusion, all the above tactics only apply to the moronic-unstable-childish-pathetic- pre-adolescent-wannabes with dillusion of being the next Bill Gates. 11) This is a paranoid fantasy; have fun with it; read rule #1. -- Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com Zebra Research /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation From: jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: More on the Conflict of Interest Date: 08 Dec 1993 10:09:36 GMT In-reply-to: jmonroy@netcom.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 1993 01:01:47 GMT In article jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: 1) Don't expect fairings. 2) If confused read #1. I was confused. I read #1. I finally got it - you're a fellow motorcycle rider, winter is approaching, and you're exhorting us all not to expect fairings! Sound advice too, should you happen to borrow or rent someone else's motorcycle and be suddenly faced with a long, cold ride without the benefit of any kind of wind protection. [ Lots more rules deleted, all referring back to the rule about not expecting wind-chill protection ] Sound advice here. Remember, a good pair of gloves (leather, not wool! Wool may look warm but does nothing to keep the wind out!), a thick muffler and a thick padded jacket will save you from looking like Frozen-zombie-from-beyond-the-grave-man when you dismount your trusty steed 50 miles later and find that you're barely unable to detach your frozen fingers from the throttle. Weather may turn cold, and long distance winter motorcycle commutes may continue unabated, but of those of us who take sound advice of Jesus to heart, many are cold but few are frozen. Jordan -- (Jordan K. Hubbard) jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, jkh@al.org, jkh@whisker.lotus.ie From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:47:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11231 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp [131.113.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11187 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-ntc_mailserver1.03) id MAA07057; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:44:37 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:44:37 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801280344.MAA07057@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:06:16 -0800". <29029.885956776@time.cdrom.com> From: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.20] 1996-12/08(Sun) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <29029.885956776@time.cdrom.com> jkh@time.cdrom.com writes: >> I think it could be >> returned to this with a little work and the end-result would be much >> easier disk configuration. I agree. >> The Novice installation shouldn't even >> bring up that screen by default, its choices being more along the >> lines of: >> >> Would you like to: >> 1) Use the entire disk for FreeBSD. >> 2) Use only unallocated space for FreeBSD. >> 3) Edit the partition table manually. I want to add 4) Use the second disk for FreeBSD if unallocated space on the second disk exists and no empty partition is found on the first disk. >> with choices 1 and 2 automagically handling all the other >> configuration details as necessary based on how much space the user >> has available, etc. If we drop the user into the partition editing >> screen at all it should be because they either explicitly asked us to >> or because we really couldn't avoid it. Most beginning users neither >> know nor care about such details, they just know roughly how much disk >> they want to devote to FreeBSD. I also want to resurrect "[size XX MB]" in the distribution selection menu of 2.1.x sysinstall because it can be automatically calculated. This will be very easy. BTW, I'll start update multilingual extention because 2.2.6 will be out soon, but I want to know which branch (3.0-CURRENT and 2.2-RELENG) is appropreate for this work. I cvsupped the latest source today and diffed the both. They are very diffent. If they will be merged soon, I'll choose 3.0-CURRENT as the working base, but if they won't merged at least until the release of 2.2.6, I have to start with 2.2-RELENG because avarage users needs 2.2.6. Hmm.... -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi Network Technology Center Keio University hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:52:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12417 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:52:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12304 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:51:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA29669; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:46:37 -0800 (PST) To: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:44:37 +0900." <199801280344.MAA07057@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:46:37 -0800 Message-ID: <29665.885962797@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> The Novice installation shouldn't even > >> bring up that screen by default, its choices being more along the > >> lines of: > >> > >> Would you like to: > >> 1) Use the entire disk for FreeBSD. > >> 2) Use only unallocated space for FreeBSD. > >> 3) Edit the partition table manually. > > I want to add > > 4) Use the second disk for FreeBSD What about the 3rd or 4th disk? :-) I think the DOS fdisk program does this about as well as can be expected: It just give you an additional item which you can use for changing the currently selected disk. Just selecting 4) in your example would still require more dialog of the user in the cases where there's no unallocated space on the 2nd drive or where it's all unallocated (I consider Win95's boorish default behavior of just eating a whole drive to be very evil and something we should not emulate :-). Might as well just generalize it. > I also want to resurrect "[size XX MB]" in the distribution selection > menu of 2.1.x sysinstall because it can be automatically calculated. > This will be very easy. This should really be put into the .inf file for each distribution, the various .inf files also merged into a single global "distribution map" file which sysinstall can slurp in after asking about media but before requesting information on desired distributions. Having read in a map file, you now know how many pieces each distribution has, its total size, the distribution checksums, etc. and can use this in presenting more intelligent dialogs. Always something on my TODO list, just no time. :) > BTW, I'll start update multilingual extention because 2.2.6 will be > out soon, but I want to know which branch (3.0-CURRENT and 2.2-RELENG) > is appropreate for this work. I cvsupped the latest source today and > diffed the both. They are very diffent. The two versions of sysinstall? They should not be *that* different, except for various include file differences which are necessary in -current but not in 2.2 and, of course, the device support for things which are only in 3.0. If you can find something different between the two branches where 3.0 is clearly lacking a feature that 2.2 has, please let me know - I just made two small commits to the -current branch based on stuff I found which matched that definition, but I can't see any more than that. > If they will be merged soon, I'll choose 3.0-CURRENT as the working > base, but if they won't merged at least until the release of 2.2.6, I > have to start with 2.2-RELENG because avarage users needs 2.2.6. Please do it in -current and retrofit your applicable changes into 2.2 - then you will be in sync with everyone else who's working on sysinstall. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12922 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:53:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet11.ozemail.com.au (oznet11.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12503 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:52:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet11.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA22146; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:51:51 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801280451.PAA22146@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: "Greg Lehey" , "Adrian Filipi-Martin" Cc: "Julian Elischer" , , Subject: Re: Fairings Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:50:19 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Weather may turn cold, and long distance winter motorcycle commutes > may continue unabated, but of those of us who take sound advice of > Jesus to heart, many are cold but few are frozen. > > Jordan Excuse my towering ignorance, but what is a 'fairing'? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 20:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13376 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13258 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10165; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:40:13 GMT Message-Id: <199801280040.AAA10165@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Joe Shevland" , Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:34:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > From: Joe Shevland > To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 7:12 PM > > What are peoples' thoughts on a Java administration tool for FreeBSD? One > instant downside would be you'd need an X Server running for any GUI > options. Another would be you'd need the Java runtime environment (BTW, > this is my first posting, so please flame me gently if I'm in the wrong > discussion!). > > Thoughts? no :) there's no point of a "pixel" graphical install for several reasons: a) i don't think it is a good idea to limit this product to graphical systems(i run a 586/133 with a mono card) b) it should work over telnet for remote config. c) by the time someone has X and java up and running why would they even need it? :) d) it should be small and not require so much disk space... maybe if it had an optional graphical front end that sorta immitated the text interface for up and running systems.... that would be cool as a side option beside the "niceness" of using java to code, why code it in java? it will be for freebsd machines, running on x86 hardware (although i hope some ports work out) using freebsd utilities to commit tasks... so almost any lang you use will be portable to all versions of freebsd... -Alfred From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:06:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15733 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:06:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15687 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:05:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06145; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:06:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801280506.VAA06145@implode.root.com> To: "Joe Shevland" cc: "Greg Lehey" , "Adrian Filipi-Martin" , "Julian Elischer" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, c@lemis.com Subject: Re: Fairings In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:50:19 +1100." <199801280451.PAA22146@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:06:50 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Weather may turn cold, and long distance winter motorcycle commutes >> may continue unabated, but of those of us who take sound advice of >> Jesus to heart, many are cold but few are frozen. >> >> Jordan > >Excuse my towering ignorance, but what is a 'fairing'? "fairing n. An auxiliary structure or the external surface of a vehicle, such as an aircraft, that serves to reduce drag." The most common type is a [usually plexiglass] windshield on a motorcycle. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17127 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17100 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:11:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02165; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:29:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980127232953.58903@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:29:53 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Joe Shevland , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) References: <199801280014.LAA15070@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> <29136.885957376@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <29136.885957376@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 07:16:16PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 07:16:16PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > What are peoples' thoughts on a Java administration tool for FreeBSD? One [SNIP] > Unfortunately, it would also seem that most people are only good for > suggesting that a Java or plain-HTML based admin tool would be a good > thing and not so much good for actually coding up the proof-of-concept > that'd be required to make it anything more than a simple and > often-made suggestion. ;-) I have made several attempts at designing a Java GUI admin thang for FreeBSD, but as Jordan said, it ain't easy if you want even the *slightest* amount of security... I was hoping to work this project into a course for school, but it looks like that won't happen until summer at the earliest. I wanted to use Java for 1 simple reason (and it's the only reason really): it would be cool to be able to admin a FreeBSD server from a win95 box. I know lots of peole that stick FreeBSD servers in closets and let them do the dirty work while they have win95 boxes on their desk (usually no choice of their own). It would be a real plus IMHO if they could run some slick admin tools right from the win95 box.. My approach was to write a daemon in C++ that listened on a port and ran on a simple protocol.. the client issues commands to the server which simply runs the normal command-line tools for them. Simple stuff. The complicated part is working in the encryption and actually coming up with a productive interface on the client.. not to mention dealing with the speeding bullet of a target that Java is today. Ugh. Anyhow, I've been dieing to write this system for about 8 months, but as the story goes, "I just don't have the time". If you want to go for it, YIPEE! -Mark > > Jordan -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17829 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp [131.113.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17772 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:14:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-ntc_mailserver1.03) id OAA07341; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:13:11 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:13:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801280513.OAA07341@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:46:37 -0800". <29665.885962797@time.cdrom.com> From: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.20] 1996-12/08(Sun) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <29665.885962797@time.cdrom.com> jkh@time.cdrom.com writes: >> Please do it in -current and retrofit your applicable changes into 2.2 >> - then you will be in sync with everyone else who's working on >> sysinstall. :-) The major problems of multilingual support is: it modifies almost *ALL* messages by adding message tags (except msgDebug() messages). Modifications made near any messages, always bring about the .rej's of patch, and I have to sync *ALL* of these changes manually (especially it's very hard work for menus.c). If our multilingual support is merged to the -current, this work will be very easier. I believe that our multilingual support implementation brakes nothing. We'll be happy if it's merged into the -current. Okay, I use -current as the working base. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi Network Technology Center Keio University hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18775 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet11.ozemail.com.au (oznet11.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18762 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet11.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA28334; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:19:33 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801280519.QAA28334@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: Cc: "Greg Lehey" , "Adrian Filipi-Martin" , "Julian Elischer" , , Subject: Re: Fairings Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:18:03 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >Excuse my towering ignorance, but what is a 'fairing'? > > "fairing n. An auxiliary structure or the external surface of a vehicle, > such as an aircraft, that serves to reduce drag." > > > The most common type is a [usually plexiglass] windshield on a motorcycle. > Aah. Am I in a unix or Hells Angels dicussion :) ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:22:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19438 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:22:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19393 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:22:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA29855; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:21:32 -0800 (PST) To: dg@root.com cc: "Joe Shevland" , "Greg Lehey" , "Adrian Filipi-Martin" , "Julian Elischer" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, c@lemis.com Subject: Re: Fairings In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:06:50 PST." <199801280506.VAA06145@implode.root.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:21:32 -0800 Message-ID: <29851.885964892@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The most common type is a [usually plexiglass] windshield on a motorcycle. Or otherwise known as a "half fairing." A full fairing typically protects also the legs and feet from wind blast and also, as David noted, reduces the overall drag of the motorcycle (your knees are not otherwise very aerodynamic sticking out there in the slipstream :-). You most typically see full fairings on Japanese racing motorcycles. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:29:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20502 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp [131.113.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20437 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-ntc_mailserver1.03) id OAA07428; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:26:13 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:26:13 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801280526.OAA07428@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:24:06 -0800". <29874.885965046@time.cdrom.com> From: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.20] 1996-12/08(Sun) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <29874.885965046@time.cdrom.com> jkh@time.cdrom.com writes: >> And I'd be happy to see one of the Japanese committers merge it - do >> you have someone in mind? I'll ask itojun or sbd.... -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi Network Technology Center Keio University hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:35:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21568 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21559 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29425; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801280535.VAA29425@austin.polstra.com> To: archie@whistle.com Subject: Re: ipfw patch In-Reply-To: <199801280028.QAA18434@bubba.whistle.com> References: <199801280028.QAA18434@bubba.whistle.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:35:40 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199801280028.QAA18434@bubba.whistle.com>, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > A good idea.. more traditional though would just be to add a flag > to ipfw itself, like "-n" or something. > > -Archie > > alexlh@xs4all.nl writes: > > I use ipfw a lot. It's really nice. > > > > One thing bothered me though; sometimes there would be a typo in the rules > > file, causing ipfw not to finish adding all the rules. This has been a > > problem, as most of our servers are located behind a large, locked door > > and I usually do things to them over the network. > > > > I've patched ipfw so that it's now possible to let it process a ruleset > > without actually adding the rules to the kernel. It now checks to see if > > the executable is actually named 'ipfw' before the setsockopt() call. > > Create a symlink named (for example) testipw pointing to the ipfw > > executable, and all will be fine. I agree with Archie. It's best to avoid adding programs that change their behavior based on the name used to invoke them. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:40:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22484 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:40:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22456 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:40:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01218 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:55 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801280510.PAA01218@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ATAPI Zip fixes (call for testers) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:55 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'd like to bring the changes I just made to the 'wfd' driver back from -current to -stable in time for 2.2.6. In order to do this, I need some feedback. If you have a -current or -stable system and one of these drives, I'd like to hear if it works for you. (If you haven't got the patches I committed last night, ask me for them first 8). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:42:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22844 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22778 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:42:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA06345; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006343; Tue Jan 27 21:41:18 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA22967; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801280541.VAA22967@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: <29424.885961335@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 27, 98 08:22:15 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:41:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > I would, except we already did that :-) Actually I wrote a program > > that fdisks and disklabels a disk based on reading a config file that > > specifies the partitions.. it's based on sysinstall and using libdisk. > > Decoupling the two tasks entirely is also something I've > considered. :) I'd be interested in seeing your approach here. Have at it :-) ftp://ftp.whistle.com/pub/archie/diskburn/diskburn.tgz Disclaimer: this is a "UTSL" release only... -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23099 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:43:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23046 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA29877; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:24:06 -0800 (PST) To: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:13:11 +0900." <199801280513.OAA07341@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:24:06 -0800 Message-ID: <29874.885965046@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The major problems of multilingual support is: it modifies almost > *ALL* messages by adding message tags (except msgDebug() messages). > Modifications made near any messages, always bring about the .rej's of > patch, and I have to sync *ALL* of these changes manually (especially > it's very hard work for menus.c). I'm always happy to adjust to a new msg database scheme, I just need to see support for it merged into the -current and 2.2 sources first so that I can abide by whatever new conventions are in effect when I make further changes. > If our multilingual support is merged to the -current, this work will > be very easier. I believe that our multilingual support > implementation brakes nothing. We'll be happy if it's merged into the > -current. And I'd be happy to see one of the Japanese committers merge it - do you have someone in mind? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:43:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23110 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23066 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA29406; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:18:39 -0800 (PST) To: Julian Elischer cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:35:23 PST." <34CEA77B.500F9F30@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:18:38 -0800 Message-ID: <29402.885961118@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I will be doing somethign like this.. In what timeframe? :-) > unfortunatly it will probably work best for the SLICE/DEVFS version of > the system. However I need to do that before devfs can be widely used. > > The present tools can be used > but it takes a bit too much specialised knowledge. Tell us more, please. Perhaps your fancy proposed UI work can be re-used even with the existing libdisk based interface (e.g. without DEVFS) if you take care to abstract the data-gathering and display portions of the code appropriately? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23614 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:45:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au (ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au [130.102.222.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23519 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdr@ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au) Received: (from gdr@localhost) by ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17917; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:46:53 GMT Message-Id: <199801281546.PAA17917@ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au> Subject: Re: Fairings In-Reply-To: <199801280519.QAA28334@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> from Joe Shevland at "Jan 28, 98 04:18:03 pm" To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com (Joe Shevland) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:46:53 +0000 () Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gary Roberts Organisation: Well Control Australia Phone: +617 3844 0400 Fax: +617 3844 0444 Reply-To: gdr@wcs.uq.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joe Shevland writes: > > The most common type is a [usually plexiglass] windshield on a > motorcycle. > > > > Aah. Am I in a unix or Hells Angels dicussion :) ? Hehehehe!!! Neither :-). If you don't go back to at least before Dec 1993 then you ain't gonna get it!! For those of us who do, *Thanks Greg*. It was the best belly laugh then and just as good again now!! _grin_. Cheers, -- Gary Roberts From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 21:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24440 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:48:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24226 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:47:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01308; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:10:21 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801280540.QAA01308@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw patch In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:35:40 -0800." <199801280535.VAA29425@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:10:20 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I agree with Archie. It's best to avoid adding programs that change > their behavior based on the name used to invoke them. Why do you say that? I've often felt exactly the opposite, so I'm curious to see it from your point of view... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 22:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29441 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:13:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29423 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:12:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05179; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:52:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801280552.VAA05179@austin.polstra.com> To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw patch In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:10:20 +1030." <199801280540.QAA01308@word.smith.net.au> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:52:25 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I agree with Archie. It's best to avoid adding programs that > > change their behavior based on the name used to invoke them. > > Why do you say that? I've often felt exactly the opposite, so I'm > curious to see it from your point of view... I guess I just don't like a program to know its own name, in general. A user might not like its name, and decide to rename it. That shouldn't change the way it behaves. Or you might install a new beta version under a special name, to avoid conflict with your older stable version. What a surprise to find out that the program doesn't do what it seems like it ought to do. Depending on the name of the program is just a little too tricky for my taste, and it seems too likely to cause surprises. That's why I prefer explicit options for influencing a program's behavior. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 22:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00627 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oskar.nanoteq.co.za (www.absadirect.co.za [196.37.91.10] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00539 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbezuide@oskar.nanoteq.co.za) Received: (from rbezuide@localhost) by oskar.nanoteq.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA23275; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:17:50 +0200 (SAT) From: Reinier Bezuidenhout Message-Id: <199801280617.IAA23275@oskar.nanoteq.co.za> Subject: Re: ipfw patch In-Reply-To: <199801280535.VAA29425@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Jan 27, 98 09:35:40 pm" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:16:35 +0200 (SAT) Cc: archie@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > In article <199801280028.QAA18434@bubba.whistle.com>, > Archie Cobbs wrote: > > > > A good idea.. more traditional though would just be to add a flag > > to ipfw itself, like "-n" or something. > > > > -Archie > > > > alexlh@xs4all.nl writes: > > > I use ipfw a lot. It's really nice. > > > > > > One thing bothered me though; sometimes there would be a typo in the rules > > > file, causing ipfw not to finish adding all the rules. This has been a > > > problem, as most of our servers are located behind a large, locked door > > > and I usually do things to them over the network. > > > > > > I've patched ipfw so that it's now possible to let it process a ruleset > > > without actually adding the rules to the kernel. It now checks to see if > > > the executable is actually named 'ipfw' before the setsockopt() call. > > > Create a symlink named (for example) testipw pointing to the ipfw > > > executable, and all will be fine. > > I agree with Archie. It's best to avoid adding programs that change > their behavior based on the name used to invoke them. > True ... it should be a flag so that it is optional. The the case of the machine being a firewall, you would rather it didn't process any rules after the incorrect one (the behaviour like it is now) because you might be skipping a very important deny rule and add other rules that would make the system less secure. In such a specific case you would rather that it skipped all the other rules and just have the default deny at the end than a false sense of security. Even though it means that you must have a console or screen and keyboard connected :) Reinier ################################################################### # # # R.N. Bezuidenhout NetSeq Firewall # # rbezuide@oskar.nanoteq.co.za http://www.nanoteq.com # # # ################################################################### From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 22:34:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02656 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA02614; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp id AA06475; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:33:23 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id PAA25860; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801280640.PAA25860@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-Reply-To: Your message of "27 Jan 1998 20:58:37 +0100." References: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:35 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >The source is in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming/logo_saver.tgz on wcarchive. >You'll need to patch syscons.c to make it work; a unified diff and >rudimentary installation instructions are included in the tarball. > >As always, I appreciate feedback of any kind... I had a quick look at your graphical screen saver code. (And I have been following discussion between you and msmith :-) A couple of comments: The patch for syscons looks reasonable to me. (How do you think, Soeren?) When I touched this part of syscons last time, I didn't consider support for graphical savers (because at the time there was none ;-< I wonder if it's a good idea to let the screen saver to reschedule itself from inside the saver module. With the above patch applied, syscons will periodically call the saver module. That should be sufficient for most purposes, I think. (Yet another timeout routine closely tied to syscons will add much complication...) The following fragment shows the flow I would suggest. logo_saver(int blank) { if (!blank) { /* restore the video mode */ ..... } else { if (scrn_blanked <= 0) { scrn_blanked = 1; /* switch video mode */ ..... logo_update(); } else { /* if we want to update the screen in every other call, we can do the following */ if (++scrn_blanked <= 2) return; scrn_blanked = 1; /* update the logo */ logo_update(); } } } In your code, video mode switching is protected by a splhigh()/splx() pair. I think splhigh() is overkill. We had better use spltty() instead. We have to be careful about VT switching while the graphical saver is active. I will check several things in syscons and contact you later. (I suspect we need to patch syscons...) Kazu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 22:44:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04562 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:44:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04536; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01059; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:43:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801280643.WAA01059@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:43:53 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Howdy, The above is a pointer to Descent I 8) It does *not* compile on FreeBSD and some of the modules use MASM. I am not working on a port of it so any volunteers out there ? Have fun, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 27 23:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14529 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:56:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14519 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id HAA23434; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:55:31 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:55:31 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: HOSOKAWA Tatsumi , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: <29874.885965046@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > The major problems of multilingual support is: it modifies almost > > *ALL* messages by adding message tags (except msgDebug() messages). > > Modifications made near any messages, always bring about the .rej's of > > patch, and I have to sync *ALL* of these changes manually (especially > > it's very hard work for menus.c). > > I'm always happy to adjust to a new msg database scheme, I just need > to see support for it merged into the -current and 2.2 sources first > so that I can abide by whatever new conventions are in effect when I > make further changes. It's not just the msg database. I think the last time this was brought up you were taken aback by the wc_foo() functions to handle wide-chars. If you want to have a single source base that handles English, Japanese or whatever; whoever maintains the code will have to accept these functions and or equivalent and get used to having them around. As more languages are incorporated it may occasionally require sizing and positioning adjustments of screens and dialogs to accomodate all different language translations, it can be a pain but overall it's not that bad. I think Novell has interesting internationalization tools, I heard that their msg database has information such as the maximum length of the message. This way the translators who often weren't programmers could build the msg database independently and the programmer didn't have to get back to the translator to get alternative translations for things that just wouldn't fit. Regards, Mike Hancock -- michaelh@cet.co.jp http://www.cet.co.jp CET Inc., Daiichi Kasuya BLDG 8F, 2-5-12 Higashi Shinbashi, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105 Japan Tel: +81-3-3437-1761 Fax: +81-3-3437-1766 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 00:37:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18616 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:37:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18611; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01806; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:00:22 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801280830.TAA01806@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:43:53 -0800." <199801280643.WAA01059@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:00:21 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > The above is a pointer to Descent I 8) Oooh. My favorite game, too. > It does *not* compile on FreeBSD and some of the modules use MASM. "some"?! This will need someone with a *working* MASM-to-gas translator, or a penchant for x86 assembler and vector math. > I am not working on a port of it so any volunteers out there ? Sorry. Strictly a playtester. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 01:28:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24344 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24335 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01525; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801280927.BAA01525@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Chris Csanady cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:21:10 CST." <199801272121.PAA06499@friley585.res.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:27:56 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Cisco's developers special (a NIC for $150 ) provided that it is still on looks mighty attractive 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 01:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24880 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24794; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08173; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:39:55 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801280939.KAA08173@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-Reply-To: <199801280640.PAA25860@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> from Kazutaka YOKOTA at "Jan 28, 98 03:40:35 pm" To: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (Kazutaka YOKOTA) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:38:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Kazutaka YOKOTA who wrote: > > >The source is in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming/logo_saver.tgz on wcarchive. > >You'll need to patch syscons.c to make it work; a unified diff and > >rudimentary installation instructions are included in the tarball. > > > >As always, I appreciate feedback of any kind... > > I had a quick look at your graphical screen saver code. (And I have > been following discussion between you and msmith :-) > > A couple of comments: > > The patch for syscons looks reasonable to me. (How do you think, > Soeren?) When I touched this part of syscons last time, I didn't > consider support for graphical savers (because at the time there was > none ;-< Seems OK to mee. Maybe I should just let UNKNOWN mode represent the "real" unknown modes ie when the X server changes the resolution on its own. syscons can deal with all the modes defined i console.h and do sesnible things there. It will swallow up to 256K of kernel memory pr saved image though. The only problem here is that the process doing mem refs to the screen memory will have to be noticed somehow, or it will sadly mess up the vga card & memory when off screen, hmmm we cauld make it sleep and wake it on reentry to that screen.... > > I wonder if it's a good idea to let the screen saver to reschedule > itself from inside the saver module. No! > With the above patch applied, > syscons will periodically call the saver module. That should be > sufficient for most purposes, I think. (Yet another timeout routine > closely tied to syscons will add much complication...) The following > fragment shows the flow I would suggest. > > logo_saver(int blank) > { > if (!blank) { > /* restore the video mode */ > ..... > } else { > if (scrn_blanked <= 0) { > scrn_blanked = 1; > /* switch video mode */ > ..... > logo_update(); > } else { > /* if we want to update the screen in every other > call, we can do the following */ > if (++scrn_blanked <= 2) > return; > scrn_blanked = 1; > /* update the logo */ > logo_update(); > } > } > } > > In your code, video mode switching is protected by a splhigh()/splx() > pair. I think splhigh() is overkill. We had better use spltty() > instead. yup. > We have to be careful about VT switching while the graphical saver > is active. I will check several things in syscons and contact you > later. (I suspect we need to patch syscons...) Well it should work, at least I have a graphics saver that used to work :). We might want to change the behavior of UNKNOW_MODE as noted above, but I'm sure it will break at least a few of the graph progs out there, but what the heck, if X still runs, and I make sure that libvga works, then .... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 01:34:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26019 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26014 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:34:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01574; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:34:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801280934.BAA01574@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Greg Lehey cc: Adrian Filipi-Martin , Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, c@lemis.com Subject: Re: Fairings In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:13:01 +1030." <19980128151301.26241@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:34:08 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Gosh, Those where the good ol' days where Jordan's thin skin got shall we say thicken to the point of flame proof. Pity that we can't say the same about Jesus -- oh well he got replaced by Hordes of Linux Fans 8) Cheers, Amancio > On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 11:34:57PM -0500, Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > >> for those old-timers in FreeBSD... > >> > >> The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings > >> was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. > >> (yes, the real JMj!) > > > > Heh, it is hard to forget jmonroy. I just got interested in the > > QIC quarterly when he up and quit crossposting it. :-/ > > > > Does anyone have a copy of the Fairings post any longer? It > > doesn't come up when searching minnie. I feel foolish not saving a copy. > > From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) > Subject: More on the Conflict of Interest > Message-ID: > Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 01:01:47 GMT > Lines: 62 > > > > More on the Conflict of Interest > -------------------------------- > > Recently, in light of the ensueing processes which are > deteremined to their rightness, I have been working on the > projects that make my financial and professional interest. > In short, I don't have time for petty in-fighting. > > I did not (and have not had) time to read the thread > which mentioned the "non-merger" of the *bsd interests. So, > comments by me at this time are without reflection on > all the present facts. Also, e-mail to me about the "moderator > please resign, BS" is sitting in my in-box, and will not be answer > until after "The Great Debate". > > I am aware that at times some of my comments seemed a bit of > line, but without all the facts it is just that (a seemingly > out-of-line-comment). I really don't have time to play the games > that people like T. Deradt want to play. Comment about > "net-bag-lady", "mentally-unstable", "politically-uncorrect" > and "non-net-equitte" are plain bull, a waste of my time and > show a great deal of unprofessionalisim by those involved. > In addition, language of vulgar context is not appreciated in > my "mbox". In short, expect a harsher treatment by me to you > (that take on these tactics). > > I will still be continuing with this newsgroup, but I must > for the sake of the moronic-unstable-childish-pathetic- > pre-adolescent-wannabes with dillusion of being the next Bill > Gates take on new tactics: > > 1) Don't expect fairings. > 2) If confused read #1. > 3) If you can't find a rule to apply read rule #1. > 4) If you work for BSDI, USL, Novell or UUNET read > rule #1. > 5) If you want me to play by *your* rules read rule #1. > 6) If you want to reason with me, then send reasonable > mail else read rule #1. > 7) If you've got a problem with my attitude or the > way I say things read rule #1. > 8) If you are going to mail me a nasty "this posting > is just your way of proving your a XXX" read rule #1. > 9) If you expect that I will do less on the account of > a handful of wannabes, read rule #1. > > 10) In case of any confusion, all the above tactics only > apply to the moronic-unstable-childish-pathetic- > pre-adolescent-wannabes with dillusion of being the > next Bill Gates. > > 11) This is a paranoid fantasy; have fun with it; > read rule #1. > > > -- > Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com > Zebra Research > /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation > > From: jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) > Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc > Subject: Re: More on the Conflict of Interest > Date: 08 Dec 1993 10:09:36 GMT > In-reply-to: jmonroy@netcom.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 1993 01:01:47 GMT > > In article jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: > 1) Don't expect fairings. > 2) If confused read #1. > > I was confused. I read #1. I finally got it - you're a fellow > motorcycle rider, winter is approaching, and you're exhorting us all > not to expect fairings! Sound advice too, should you happen to borrow > or rent someone else's motorcycle and be suddenly faced with a long, > cold ride without the benefit of any kind of wind protection. > > [ Lots more rules deleted, all referring back to the rule > about not expecting wind-chill protection ] > > Sound advice here. Remember, a good pair of gloves (leather, not > wool! Wool may look warm but does nothing to keep the wind out!), a > thick muffler and a thick padded jacket will save you from looking > like Frozen-zombie-from-beyond-the-grave-man when you dismount your > trusty steed 50 miles later and find that you're barely unable to > detach your frozen fingers from the throttle. > > Weather may turn cold, and long distance winter motorcycle commutes > may continue unabated, but of those of us who take sound advice of > Jesus to heart, many are cold but few are frozen. > > Jordan > -- > (Jordan K. Hubbard) jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, jkh@al.org, jkh@whisker.lotus.ie > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 01:40:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27278 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.gu.net (beast.gu.net [194.93.190.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27226 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:40:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.gu.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by beast.gu.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12731; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:36:01 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:36:01 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: Julian Assange cc: "Greg A. Woods" , IP-Filter Mailing List , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 28 Jan 1998, Julian Assange wrote: > I did this about 8 months ago. Nobody bothered to incorporate it into > 3.0 though. Have a look in ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/incoming for > ipfilter-proff-final2.tar.gz or words to that effect. If you know > someone who will bother incorporating it into -current, this is a good > place to start. There is a new version of IPfilter, 3.2.3; it builds _very_ smooth on FreeBSD-2.2.+ (I'm using it on numerous STABLE snapshots as of last December and January, 98). I'm happy with 3.2.3 so far. Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 01:50:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28603 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA28598 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:50:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA03615; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:19:20 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801280819.JAA03615@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Proposed PNP changes To: kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:19:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801272118.OAA19113@bootp.sls.usu.edu> from "Kurt Olsen" at Jan 27, 98 02:17:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >The other one is to make additional drivers PnP aware. jmg already > >did this for sio, and this is not hard at all. > > I'm not so sure about this one. Unless we get into the pnp concept > wholesale and allow dynamic changes of resources, I don't see that it's > overly necessary for the device driver to know if a device (eg. my > ethernet card) is plug and play or not. I am assuming that I'll be able > to configure the card and then just let the normal ed driver handle it. the point was to make the kernel fill in the resources in the struct isa_device from the PnP info. Look at how I did it for audio cards, and you'll see that the inner of the device driver is not affected at all -- you just need to write small wrappers for probe and attach which check for the presence of the resource, fill up the isa_device struct and call the ordinary xxx->attach() routine . > the probe messages. My real motivation for doing this is that I > recently purchased an Opti 925/CS4231A soundcard which has about 5 well, I believe there are docs on the OPTI925 at www.opti.com , and my audio driver also has some preliminary support for them (it basically disables everithing but the audio card). luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 02:05:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00230 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sliphost37.uni-trier.de (sliphost37.uni-trier.de [136.199.240.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00213 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:05:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blank@sliphost37.uni-trier.de) Received: (from blank@localhost) by sliphost37.uni-trier.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00227; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:04:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from blank) Message-ID: <19980128110433.54414@sliphost37.uni-trier.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:04:33 +0100 From: Sascha Blank To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? Reply-To: Sascha Blank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELENG X-PGP-Fingerpint: 26 FD 71 B5 48 12 42 91 10 1C 4F 74 70 48 6F 89 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, with the big code merges into 2.2.5-STABLE over the last weeks, I wonder what the chances are that we will also see the IDE busmastering code incorporated into STABLE (and this way 2.2.6 as well). Or would doing so mean such a dramatic change to STABLE that it is held back for the 3.0-RELEASE? -- Sascha Blank | "I prefer to work behind the scenes. The Student and System Administrator | reward is nearly as great, and the risk at the University of Trier, Germany | is far far less" - Ambassador Mollari in mailto:blank@fox.uni-trier.de | in Babylon 5, "The coming of shadows" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 02:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00354 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA00307 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:05:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65/AndrewR-930902) id AA06300; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:35:47 +1030 Received: by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA09385; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:36:34 +1030 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:36:34 +1030 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI Zip fixes (call for testers) In-Reply-To: <199801280510.PAA01218@word.smith.net.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > I'd like to bring the changes I just made to the 'wfd' driver back from > -current to -stable in time for 2.2.6. In order to do this, I need > some feedback. I hope to be getting one of these things in the next couple of days..hopefully in time for me to help with the testing. If so, I'll let you know how things go. Kris WOWBO /\ . Through the darkness of future past, /\ . BWOWB OBWOW /##\/#\ The Magician longs to see. /##\/#\ BOBWO WBOBW / \ One chance out between two worlds, / \ OWBOB WOWBO / \ Fire, Walk with me! / \ BWOWB From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 02:18:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02673 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02664 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.4) with UUCP id KAA05608; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:16:25 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:11:16 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801280519.QAA28334@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:09:14 +0000 To: "Joe Shevland" , From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Fairings Cc: "Greg Lehey" , "Adrian Filipi-Martin" , "Julian Elischer" , , Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 5:18 am +0000 28/1/98, Joe Shevland wrote: >Aah. Am I in a unix or Hells Angels dicussion :) ? I don't know; when you RTFM is it covered with oily fingerprints? -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 02:29:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04843 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04800; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:29:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01011; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:28:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801281028.CAA01011@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Mike Smith cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:00:21 +1030." <199801280830.TAA01806@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:28:46 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > The above is a pointer to Descent I 8) > > Oooh. My favorite game, too. > > > It does *not* compile on FreeBSD and some of the modules use MASM. > > "some"?! This will need someone with a *working* MASM-to-gas > translator, or a penchant for x86 assembler and vector math. The important thing to remember is that the source code is availabe for anyone with the determination to work on it . How many lines of assembler code? find . -name \*.asm -exec wc {} \; | awk -f ~hasty/awk.scr - How many lines of C code? find . -name \*.c -exec wc {} \; | awk -f ~hasty/awk.scr - 178714 Not bad , usually after you go thru the first few large assembler routines you can pick up the rest pretty easy. The rest is a piece of cake given that we can use the linux svga lib Currently, it compiles on FreeBSD under the linux emulation mode so it is no great feat to compile it for FreeBSD . Or we can use the low level kernel vga routines currently available for FreeBSD -- thats probably the best way to go to support dos style graphics on FreeBSD. The sound code we can probably borrow a lot from the doom sources if not I can step in an provide the "low" level ioctl which most likely will be using the user land auto dma ioctl for the sound driver. To put it another way , Descent I will make one hell of a splash screen 8) Amancio Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 02:39:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06119 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:39:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06110; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:39:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00659; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:11 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801281032.VAA00659@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:28:46 -0800." <199801281028.CAA01011@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:10 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > > It does *not* compile on FreeBSD and some of the modules use MASM. > > > > "some"?! This will need someone with a *working* MASM-to-gas > > translator, or a penchant for x86 assembler and vector math. > > The important thing to remember is that the source code is availabe for > anyone with the determination to work on it . > > How many lines of assembler code? > find . -name \*.asm -exec wc {} \; | awk -f ~hasty/awk.scr - You left this number out: word:~/work/descent>find . -name "*.asm" | xargs cat | wc -l 32637 > How many lines of C code? > find . -name \*.c -exec wc {} \; | awk -f ~hasty/awk.scr - > 178714 > Not bad , usually after you go thru the first few large assembler routines > you can pick up the rest pretty easy. Like I said, you want an automated translator. MASM's idea of a "macro" is pretty generous too, eg. ;scales a vector, adds it to another, and stores in a 3rd ;takes edi=dest, ebx=src1, esi=src2, ecx=scale. returns edi=vector vm_vec_scale_add: pushm eax,edx for ofs, mov eax,[esi].ofs fixmul ecx add eax,[ebx].ofs mov [edi].ofs,eax endm popm eax,edx ret Making this work neatly with gas would be, er, fun. And I invite you to understand the code in the div0 directory. 8) > To put it another way , Descent I will make one hell of a splash screen 8) Sure. Just need a few keen punters with some time on their hands. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 02:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07256 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:44:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07251 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10952; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:41:21 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34CDD5E8.278B8F81@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:41:13 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Belits CC: Adam Turoff , hackers Subject: Re: Admin GUI tool (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU . :-)) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Alex Belits wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Adam Turoff wrote: > > ? If you want to start writing a nifty GUI admin tool, then great. The I have some initial code, so if anybody interested, contact with me directly. > -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 02:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07663 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07642 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:46:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA27080; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:45:46 -0800 (PST) To: Michael Hancock cc: HOSOKAWA Tatsumi , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:55:31 +0900." Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: <27077.885984345@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It's not just the msg database. > > I think the last time this was brought up you were taken aback by the > wc_foo() functions to handle wide-chars. If you want to have a single > source base that handles English, Japanese or whatever; whoever maintains > the code will have to accept these functions and or equivalent and get > used to having them around. I think I can live with that for a product which is hopefully soon to be end-of-lifed. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 03:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09759 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:03:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09753; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:02:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01249; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801281102.DAA01249@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Mike Smith cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:10 +1030." <199801281032.VAA00659@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:02:51 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > > It does *not* compile on FreeBSD and some of the modules use MASM. > > > > > > "some"?! This will need someone with a *working* MASM-to-gas > > > translator, or a penchant for x86 assembler and vector math. > > > > The important thing to remember is that the source code is availabe for > > anyone with the determination to work on it . > > > > How many lines of assembler code? > > find . -name \*.asm -exec wc {} \; | awk -f ~hasty/awk.scr - > > You left this number out: > > word:~/work/descent>find . -name "*.asm" | xargs cat | wc -l > 32637 > > > How many lines of C code? > > find . -name \*.c -exec wc {} \; | awk -f ~hasty/awk.scr - > > 178714 > > > Not bad , usually after you go thru the first few large assembler routines > > you can pick up the rest pretty easy. > > Like I said, you want an automated translator. MASM's idea of a > "macro" is pretty generous too, eg. > > ;scales a vector, adds it to another, and stores in a 3rd > ;takes edi=dest, ebx=src1, esi=src2, ecx=scale. returns edi=vector > vm_vec_scale_add: pushm eax,edx > > for ofs, > mov eax,[esi].ofs > fixmul ecx > add eax,[ebx].ofs > mov [edi].ofs,eax > endm > > popm eax,edx > ret I bet it is horribly hard to read it with the assembler listing or looking at the code with codeview 8) Look it is doable and a very nice exercise for young programmers specially in the multimedia or gaming arena . Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 04:53:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24487 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24482 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:53:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from merson@juno.com) From: merson@juno.com Received: (from merson@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id H\H04584; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:53:46 EST To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:51:57 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe..please Message-ID: <19970128.075200.9254.0.merson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk unsubscribe merson@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 05:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26271 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26266 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from merson@juno.com) From: merson@juno.com Received: (from merson@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id I_N04584; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:04:06 EST To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:02:13 -0500 Subject: HELP MY E-MAIL IS OVERLOADED Message-ID: <19970128.080251.9254.2.merson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk PLEASE E-MAIL ME HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE ....MY E-MAIL IS OVERLOADED. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 06:54:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10315 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:54:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10278; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:54:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp78.wcc.net [208.6.232.78]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10231; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:47:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA02582; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:50:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:50:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801281450.IAA02582@detlev.UUCP> To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG CC: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp In-reply-to: <199801280939.KAA08173@sos.freebsd.dk> (message from Søren Schmidt on Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:38:29 +0100 (MET)) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801280939.KAA08173@sos.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>> The source is in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming/logo_saver.tgz on wcarchive. >>> You'll need to patch syscons.c to make it work; a unified diff and >>> rudimentary installation instructions are included in the tarball. >>> As always, I appreciate feedback of any kind... >> I had a quick look at your graphical screen saver code. (And I have >> been following discussion between you and msmith :-) >> A couple of comments: >> The patch for syscons looks reasonable to me. (How do you think, >> Soeren?) When I touched this part of syscons last time, I didn't >> consider support for graphical savers (because at the time there was >> none ;-< > Seems OK to mee. Maybe I should just let UNKNOWN mode represent the > "real" unknown modes ie when the X server changes the resolution on > its own. syscons can deal with all the modes defined i console.h > and do sesnible things there. Most of the mouse code, and several other routines as well, wouldn't seem to work properly if set to graphics mode without UNKNOWN_MODE. I don't see any real reason to add the new tests, given that a suitable alternative exists (below). > The only problem here is that the process doing mem refs to the > screen memory will have to be noticed somehow, or it will sadly mess > up the vga card & memory when off screen, hmmm we cauld make it > sleep and wake it on reentry to that screen.... I personally think that the best thing for the time being is to not activate the screen saver when a graphical app is active. >> (Yet another timeout routine closely tied to syscons will add much >> complication...) Why is that? Personally, I think that using the current screen saver timeout routine is perfectly adequate. >> We have to be careful about VT switching while the graphical saver >> is active. I will check several things in syscons and contact you >> later. (I suspect we need to patch syscons...) > Well it should work, at least I have a graphics saver that used to > work :). > We might want to change the behavior of UNKNOW_MODE as noted above, > but I'm sure it will break at least a few of the graph progs out > there, but what the heck, if X still runs, and I make sure that > libvga works, then .... My suggestion is to use a semaphore to let syscons know if the current mode was screensaver-induced. (Patch follows.) This is the technique I used for my screensaver. The tty and mode switching code is easily handled (by deactivating the screen saver before switching.) The screen saver won't be activated if a graphical app has the console, so direct video memory reads and writes are fine. What this does is to add a variable, scrn_saver_mode. The screensaver sets it to the mode it set up if necessary. This way, syscons can tell if the current mode is unknown to the screensaver or not. (The screensaver is presently responsible for resetting the variable on termination.) You could just as well have a simple semaphore scrn_saver_uses_an_unknown_mode_so_keep_calling_it (or a mnemonic abbreviation thereof :-), but for some reason I have something in the back of my head saying this is safer. Any thoughts? --- /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/syscons.c.ctm Tue Jan 20 00:09:06 1998 +++ /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/syscons.c Tue Jan 27 20:33:34 1998 @@ -135,6 +135,7 @@ static int delayed_next_scr = FALSE; static long scrn_blank_time = 0; /* screen saver timeout value */ int scrn_blanked = 0; /* screen saver active flag */ + int scrn_saver_mode = 0; static long scrn_time_stamp; u_char scr_map[256]; u_char scr_rmap[256]; @@ -2163,7 +2164,8 @@ } /* should we just return ? */ - if ((scp->status&UNKNOWN_MODE) || blink_in_progress || switch_in_progress) { + if (((scp->status&UNKNOWN_MODE)&&(scp->mode!=scrn_saver_mode)) + || blink_in_progress || switch_in_progress) { timeout(scrn_timer, NULL, hz / 10); splx(s); return; -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 07:32:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14759 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14708; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07221; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:30:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Mike Smith cc: Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-Reply-To: <199801281032.VAA00659@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Like I said, you want an automated translator. MASM's idea of a > "macro" is pretty generous too, eg. I think you're wrong ... I have done this recently, with some success ... you take the original code and compile it (me with my Borland tools, which compile Masm code ok) and then use the "o2c.exe" program to translate from Intel OMF to coff. Can you send me some of the assembler stuff? I'll send back coff ... or do you guys know if there's a coff disassembler? Lemme see ... > > ;scales a vector, adds it to another, and stores in a 3rd > ;takes edi=dest, ebx=src1, esi=src2, ecx=scale. returns edi=vector > vm_vec_scale_add: pushm eax,edx > > for ofs, > mov eax,[esi].ofs > fixmul ecx > add eax,[ebx].ofs > mov [edi].ofs,eax > endm > > popm eax,edx > ret > > Making this work neatly with gas would be, er, fun. And I invite you > to understand the code in the div0 directory. 8) > > > To put it another way , Descent I will make one hell of a splash screen 8) > > Sure. Just need a few keen punters with some time on their hands. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 09:09:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28123 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:09:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28063 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xxayn-0001F2-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:08:49 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA26042; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:09:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199801281709.KAA26042@harmony.village.org> To: lcremean@tidalwave.net Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:24:07 EST." <19980127202407.64490@wakky.dyn.ml.org> References: <19980127202407.64490@wakky.dyn.ml.org> <26477.885937958@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:09:50 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <19980127202407.64490@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Lee Cremeans writes: : No opposition here; in fact, this is something whose time has come. fdisk(8) : sucks, to put it bluntly, and disklabel -e isn't as smooth as it could be. Might want to take a look at fdisk and disklabel from OpenBSD. Todd Miller has put a lot of work into them. It might not bethe right thing for FreeBSD, but people should take a look... Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:31:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17741 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nemesis.fortean.com (root@nemesis.fortean.com [209.42.194.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17651 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:31:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@nemesis.fortean.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01404 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:26:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter) Received: from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00905 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:54:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id TAA26817; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:58:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12342; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:58:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11966 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com (root@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com [205.218.4.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11905 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from std@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com) Received: from opium (opium [10.0.0.3]) by pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/BIGbewtyh0ez) with SMTP id TAA24777 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:51:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from std@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com) Message-Id: <199801280151.TAA24777@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:56:38 -0600 (CST) From: Kraft Jeremy Reply-To: Kraft Jeremy Subject: mailing list. To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: ocLldK0Vdbt9BNFI4DXkDQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4c sparc Status: O Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk sorry to ask, but how do i get off of this mailing list?.. Thanks alot. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:31:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17841 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nemesis.fortean.com (root@nemesis.fortean.com [209.42.194.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17647 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:31:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@nemesis.fortean.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01385 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:26:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter) Received: from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00582 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:17:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id TAA24251; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:21:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA02703; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:20:04 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02122 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02055 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09326; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:19:40 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199801280119.XAA09326@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Sendmail problems. To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:19:40 -0200 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, One machine here is locking on sendmail, don't know why. Look: % ps -ax | grep sendmail 178 ?? Ss 0:00.58 sendmail: rejecting connections on port 25: 24 childr 179 ?? I 0:00.10 sendmail: CAA02969: from queue (sendmail) 512 ?? I 0:00.03 sendmail: KAA00740: from queue (sendmail) 616 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: IAA00615: from queue (sendmail) 647 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: IAA00646: from queue (sendmail) 766 ?? I 0:00.01 sendmail: JAA00765: from queue (sendmail) 772 ?? I 0:00.01 sendmail: JAA00771: from queue (sendmail) 776 ?? I 0:00.14 sendmail: JAA00620 colchester.lps.ufrj.br.: client DA 817 ?? I 0:00.04 sendmail: OAA00474: from queue (sendmail) 921 ?? I 0:00.07 sendmail: QAA15708 barra.nce.ufrj.br.: client DATA st 993 ?? I 0:00.07 sendmail: JAA06043: from queue (sendmail) 1096 ?? I 0:00.06 sendmail: MAA01222: from queue (sendmail) 1159 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: MAA01158: from queue (sendmail) 1163 ?? I 0:00.06 sendmail: KAA00933: from queue (sendmail) 1206 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: MAA01202: from queue (sendmail) 1219 ?? I 0:00.02 sendmail: MAA01218: from queue (sendmail) 1233 ?? I 0:00.05 sendmail: MAA01232 epq.ime.eb.br.: client DATA status 1246 ?? I 0:00.01 sendmail: MAA01245: from queue (sendmail) 1255 ?? I 0:00.07 sendmail: XAB01474: from queue (sendmail) ... At total there are 68 instances of sendmail showing in the ps output. The output of netstat is the following: % netstat -f inet -n | grep 25 tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1688 200.24.18.21.25 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1680 130.149.4.10.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1630 207.82.250.93.25 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1434 146.164.53.254.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 39 0 146.164.53.65.1367 146.164.8.7.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1351 146.164.47.130.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 54 0 146.164.53.65.1350 146.164.53.1.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 54 0 146.164.53.65.1333 146.164.53.91.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1025 146.164.63.4.25 CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 146.164.53.65.1024 146.164.53.126.25 CLOSE_WAIT So, all these sendmails are not waiting for connection. They're blocked somewhere. But, where ? And why ? If I run sendmail -q -v by hand, the messages are sucessfully delivered. I don't intend to put sendmail -q in crontab, but would rather know why this is happening. Could somebody help ? This machine has been somewhat recently installed, and is running a -stable from 97.12.08. Older kernel versions also showed this behaviour, and I have other machines with MUCH more email trafic that don't have this problem. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:32:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18310 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:32:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nemesis.fortean.com (root@nemesis.fortean.com [209.42.194.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17684 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:31:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@nemesis.fortean.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01367 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:26:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter) Received: from smyrno.sol.net (mail@smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00926 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:57:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id SAA04006; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:01:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17308; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:01:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:34 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17017 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16973 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12311 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd012307; Tue Jan 27 15:53:44 1998 Message-ID: <34CE72B9.7DE14518@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:50:18 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fairings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk for those old-timers in FreeBSD... The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. (yes, the real JMj!) julian p.s. we need to make a BSD daemon picture featuring some fairings in some way! (I mean, "don't expect fairings!") From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:32:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18549 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:32:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nemesis.fortean.com (root@nemesis.fortean.com [209.42.194.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18452 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@nemesis.fortean.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01567 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:27:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter) Received: from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04101 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:01:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id HAA13969; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:05:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA26532; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:05:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:04:29 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26271 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26266 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from merson@juno.com) From: merson@juno.com Received: (from merson@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id I_N04584; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:04:06 EST To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:02:13 -0500 Subject: HELP MY E-MAIL IS OVERLOADED Message-ID: <19970128.080251.9254.2.merson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3 Status: O Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk PLEASE E-MAIL ME HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE ....MY E-MAIL IS OVERLOADED. THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP. hal@wisenet.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:32:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18597 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:32:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nemesis.fortean.com (root@nemesis.fortean.com [209.42.194.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18476 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:32:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@nemesis.fortean.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01542 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:26:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter) Received: from ns3.harborcom.net (ns3.harborcom.net [206.158.4.7]) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA03352 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:02:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org [204.216.27.18] by ns3.harborcom.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xxUO9-0000xU-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:06:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA00544; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:06:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:05:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00230 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sliphost37.uni-trier.de (sliphost37.uni-trier.de [136.199.240.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00213 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:05:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blank@sliphost37.uni-trier.de) Received: (from blank@localhost) by sliphost37.uni-trier.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00227; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:04:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from blank) Message-ID: <19980128110433.54414@sliphost37.uni-trier.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:04:33 +0100 From: Sascha Blank To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? Reply-To: Sascha Blank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELENG X-PGP-Fingerpint: 26 FD 71 B5 48 12 42 91 10 1C 4F 74 70 48 6F 89 Status: O Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, with the big code merges into 2.2.5-STABLE over the last weeks, I wonder what the chances are that we will also see the IDE busmastering code incorporated into STABLE (and this way 2.2.6 as well). Or would doing so mean such a dramatic change to STABLE that it is held back for the 3.0-RELEASE? -- Sascha Blank | "I prefer to work behind the scenes. The Student and System Administrator | reward is nearly as great, and the risk at the University of Trier, Germany | is far far less" - Ambassador Mollari in mailto:blank@fox.uni-trier.de | in Babylon 5, "The coming of shadows" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:33:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18782 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:33:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nemesis.fortean.com (root@nemesis.fortean.com [209.42.194.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18658 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:33:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@nemesis.fortean.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01486 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:26:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter) Received: from ns3.harborcom.net (ns3.harborcom.net [206.158.4.7]) by nemesis.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02373 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:38:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org [204.216.27.18] by ns3.harborcom.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xxQGa-0006xO-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:42:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA22786; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:42:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:40:58 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22484 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:40:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22456 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:40:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01218 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:55 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801280510.PAA01218@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ATAPI Zip fixes (call for testers) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:55 +1030 From: Mike Smith Status: O Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'd like to bring the changes I just made to the 'wfd' driver back from -current to -stable in time for 2.2.6. In order to do this, I need some feedback. If you have a -current or -stable system and one of these drives, I'd like to hear if it works for you. (If you haven't got the patches I committed last night, ask me for them first 8). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:41:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22248 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22001; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from pedro.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.38]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA4730; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:43:25 +0500 Message-ID: <34CF7B95.41C67EA6@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:40:21 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey CC: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk FWIW, I think I saw a TASM to GAS utility in www.delorie.com, but I can't find it now. There's another thing, though ATT to TASM, it's not too difficult to turn it around. cheers, Pedro. Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Like I said, you want an automated translator. MASM's idea of a > > "macro" is pretty generous too, eg. > > I think you're wrong ... I have done this recently, with some success ... > you take the original code and compile it (me with my Borland tools, which > compile Masm code ok) and then use the "o2c.exe" program to translate from > Intel OMF to coff. > > Can you send me some of the assembler stuff? I'll send back coff ... or > do you guys know if there's a coff disassembler? Lemme see ... > > > > > ;scales a vector, adds it to another, and stores in a 3rd > > ;takes edi=dest, ebx=src1, esi=src2, ecx=scale. returns edi=vector > > vm_vec_scale_add: pushm eax,edx > > > > for ofs, > > mov eax,[esi].ofs > > fixmul ecx > > add eax,[ebx].ofs > > mov [edi].ofs,eax > > endm > > > > popm eax,edx > > ret > > > > Making this work neatly with gas would be, er, fun. And I invite you > > to understand the code in the div0 directory. 8) > > > > > To put it another way , Descent I will make one hell of a splash screen 8) > > > > Sure. Just need a few keen punters with some time on their hands. > > > > -- > > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:42:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22647 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.nmarcom.com (root@host-034.nmarcom.com [207.181.124.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22472; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thelab@nmarcom.com) Received: from [207.181.124.43] (host-043.nmarcom.com [207.181.124.43]) by unix.nmarcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA24392; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:42:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801281842.NAA24392@unix.nmarcom.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0a (190) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:41:32 -0500 Subject: integrated support for iomega zip via parallel port From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Are there any plans to put the driver for the iomega zip and parallel port transfers into the kernel? I'm running stable right now, and it's a bit of a pain to merge the Linux port into the tree every time i want to do a kernel build after a cvs update :) -Mit From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:43:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22908 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:43:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (uucp@osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22805 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA20797 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:41:55 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01366; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:13:46 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199801281813.TAA01366@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Fairings In-Reply-To: <29851.885964892@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 27, 98 09:21:32 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:13:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: dg@root.com, joe.shevland@horizonti.com, grog@lemis.com, adrian@virginia.edu, julian@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, c@lemis.com X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote... > > The most common type is a [usually plexiglass] windshield on a motorcycle. > > Or otherwise known as a "half fairing." A full fairing typically While we are rambling 'bout fairings: check out http://www.tcja.nl/mensen/wilko/wilko_honda_eng.html for a sample of a half fairing. > protects also the legs and feet from wind blast and also, as David > noted, reduces the overall drag of the motorcycle (your knees are not > otherwise very aerodynamic sticking out there in the slipstream :-). > > You most typically see full fairings on Japanese racing motorcycles. > > Jordan Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' --------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net,Open]BSD Unix -- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 10:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25896 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25880 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06943; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:51:57 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15441; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:51:53 GMT (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199801281851.SAA15441@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fairings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:51:43 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer wrote: > for those old-timers in FreeBSD... > > The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings > was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. > (yes, the real JMj!) Hehehe! Photographs eh? (he asked him knowingly?) About a year ago, I got a very garbled *grin* mail from a jmonroy@ misquoting some bug-reference I had made, and asking in a strange way if the "bug" was "fixed". Sadly (1) my answer to him bounced, as the reply-to address was hosed, and sadly (2) the exchange is forever lost, as that mail was on the equipment of mine that was stolen 9 (?) months ago. I'd still love to meet/see this chap some day :-). I was a 386bsd user in the early days (Geoff Rehmet and I set up the first "international" crypto stuff), and I remember p*ssing myself lauging at (jkh's?) (rgrimes'?) (dg's?) report of the 386BSD 1.0 launch when JMJr was filming/videoing the proceedings. Anyone got a copy of that article? M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 11:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00881 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (msx-0e-2-28.1033.cybercity.dk [195.8.140.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00840 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00911; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:33:15 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801281933.UAA00911@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? In-Reply-To: <19980128110433.54414@sliphost37.uni-trier.de> from Sascha Blank at "Jan 28, 98 11:04:33 am" To: blank@fox.uni-trier.de Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:33:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Sascha Blank who wrote: > Hello, > > with the big code merges into 2.2.5-STABLE over the last weeks, I wonder > what the chances are that we will also see the IDE busmastering code > incorporated into STABLE (and this way 2.2.6 as well). Or would doing so > mean such a dramatic change to STABLE that it is held back for the > 3.0-RELEASE? Yes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 12:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08208 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:10:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (root@elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08161 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from ponds.dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA04907; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by ponds.dignus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28186; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) id MAA24188; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:28:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199801281728.MAA24188@lakes.dignus.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@whistle.com Subject: Re: Fairings Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > for those old-timers in FreeBSD... > > The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings > was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. > (yes, the real JMj!) > > julian > p.s. we need to make a BSD daemon picture featuring some fairings > in some way! > > (I mean, "don't expect fairings!") > Hmmm... I was wondering whatever happened to him. Does anyone recall why he eventually 'went-away', to where he went and just what protection/encouragement he receives from whomever is there? - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 12:41:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15715 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15291; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17036; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:38:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-Reply-To: <34CF7B95.41C67EA6@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > FWIW, I think I saw a TASM to GAS utility in www.delorie.com, but I > can't find it now. There's another thing, though ATT to TASM, it's not > too difficult to turn it around. Don't consider using it. Ta2as is incredibly buggy, take my word for it. I didn't even use it as a first step helper. If you need to do the conversion, you can easily convert the .obj file to a .o with the o2c.exe program, which seems to work ok, and then disassemble that, if need be via gdb. > > cheers, > Pedro. > > > Chuck Robey wrote: > > > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > Like I said, you want an automated translator. MASM's idea of a > > > "macro" is pretty generous too, eg. > > > > I think you're wrong ... I have done this recently, with some success ... > > you take the original code and compile it (me with my Borland tools, which > > compile Masm code ok) and then use the "o2c.exe" program to translate from > > Intel OMF to coff. > > > > Can you send me some of the assembler stuff? I'll send back coff ... or > > do you guys know if there's a coff disassembler? Lemme see ... > > > > > > > > ;scales a vector, adds it to another, and stores in a 3rd > > > ;takes edi=dest, ebx=src1, esi=src2, ecx=scale. returns edi=vector > > > vm_vec_scale_add: pushm eax,edx > > > > > > for ofs, > > > mov eax,[esi].ofs > > > fixmul ecx > > > add eax,[ebx].ofs > > > mov [edi].ofs,eax > > > endm > > > > > > popm eax,edx > > > ret > > > > > > Making this work neatly with gas would be, er, fun. And I invite you > > > to understand the code in the div0 directory. 8) > > > > > > > To put it another way , Descent I will make one hell of a splash screen 8) > > > > > > Sure. Just need a few keen punters with some time on their hands. > > > > > > -- > > > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > > > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > > > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > > > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 12:41:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15764 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15635 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18493 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:41:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) X-Received: from eot.cs.uoregon.edu (eot.cs.uoregon.edu [128.223.202.87]) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09583 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) X-Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by eot.cs.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20550; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:32:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20717; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions) X-Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:27:50 -0800 X-Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19865 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:27:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) X-Received: from hotmail.com (f125.hotmail.net [207.82.251.4] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19841 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:27:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anusw@hotmail.com) X-Received: (qmail 21220 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 1998 23:24:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19980126232432.21219.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Received: from 166.117.9.95 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:22:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [166.117.9.95] From: "Anuradha Chandramouli" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Direct access to I/O registers in FreeBSD ? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:22:53 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Does FreeBSD offer direct access to I/O registers and absolute main memory addresses for user processes with root privileges. Iam looking for an easy way to gain access to memory using inb and outb. Is this possible or do I need to write a device driver in FreeBSD. Regards Anu ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 13:10:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23061 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22601; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:08:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id WAA17922; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:08:33 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:08:32 +0100 (MET) To: Kazutaka YOKOTA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver References: <199801280640.PAA25860@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 28 Jan 1998 22:08:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: Kazutaka YOKOTA's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:35 +0900" Message-ID: Lines: 58 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Kazutaka YOKOTA writes: > We have to be careful about VT switching while the graphical saver > is active. I will check several things in syscons and contact you > later. (I suspect we need to patch syscons...) I patched my syscons to always stop the screensaver before switching. I can't see *any* reason why we should want to keep the screensaver running during a switch. I can see several reasons why we should *not* want that. The following diff is relative to the -stable version of syscons.c (unless it has changed very recently): *** syscons.c.orig Tue Jan 27 16:49:04 1998 --- syscons.c Wed Jan 28 22:07:13 1998 *************** *** 2187,2192 **** --- 2187,2197 ---- scintr(0); } + /* should we stop the screen saver? */ + if (mono_time.tv_sec <= scrn_time_stamp + scrn_blank_time) + if (scrn_blanked > 0) + stop_scrn_saver(current_saver); + /* should we just return ? */ if ((scp->status&UNKNOWN_MODE) || blink_in_progress || switch_in_progress) { timeout(scrn_timer, NULL, hz / 10); *************** *** 2194,2204 **** return; } - /* should we stop the screen saver? */ - if (mono_time.tv_sec <= scrn_time_stamp + scrn_blank_time) - if (scrn_blanked > 0) - stop_scrn_saver(current_saver); - if (scrn_blanked <= 0) { /* update screen image */ if (scp->start <= scp->end) { --- 2199,2204 ---- *************** *** 2320,2325 **** --- 2320,2328 ---- static int switch_scr(scr_stat *scp, u_int next_scr) { + if (scrn_blanked > 0) + stop_scrn_saver(current_saver); + if (switch_in_progress && (cur_console->proc != pfind(cur_console->pid))) switch_in_progress = FALSE; -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 13:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23649 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:12:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23194; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:10:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id WAA18031; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:10:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:10:27 +0100 (MET) To: Kazutaka YOKOTA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver References: <199801280640.PAA25860@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 28 Jan 1998 22:10:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: Kazutaka YOKOTA's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:35 +0900" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Kazutaka YOKOTA writes: > In your code, video mode switching is protected by a splhigh()/splx() > pair. I think splhigh() is overkill. We had better use spltty() > instead. As I said earlier, I ripped the mode switching code from splashkit. I suspected the splhigh() was overkill, but preferred to remain conservative. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 13:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25690 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:18:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25545 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id WAA18469; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:16:09 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:16:08 +0100 (MET) To: Snob Art Genre Cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 28 Jan 1998 22:16:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: Snob Art Genre's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:31:28 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Snob Art Genre writes: > On 28 Jan 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > Personally, I rather like the disk partitioner / label editor. Is > > anyone fundamentally opposed to extracting it from sysinstall and > > making a standalone utility of it? > Opposed to doing it, or opposed to you doing it? ;-) Well, what I had in mind when I asked was 'opposed to my looking into it' :) > I share your fondness for those particular bits; if you don't want to do > the extraction, perhaps I'll look into it. I'll give it a shot, but I'm not familiar with the sysinstall source at all, so I have no idea how much work it actually is. I'll let you know if I run into serious trouble :) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 13:31:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28311 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:31:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk (jraynard.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28285; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk) Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.6.12) id UAA04780; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:31:59 GMT Message-ID: <19980128203159.07627@demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:31:59 +0000 From: James Raynard To: Mike Smith Cc: Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html References: <199801280643.WAA01059@rah.star-gate.com> <199801280830.TAA01806@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.65e_p2,4-5,7,11,15,18,21-22 In-Reply-To: <199801280830.TAA01806@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 07:00:21PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 07:00:21PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: > > > It does *not* compile on FreeBSD and some of the modules use MASM. > > "some"?! This will need someone with a *working* MASM-to-gas > translator, or a penchant for x86 assembler and vector math. I don't have it on my system at the moment, but I think nasm (in the ports) will accept MASM input and produce a .o file that's linkable with GNU ld. -- In theory, theory is better than practice. In practice, it isn't. James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland. http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 13:33:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29024 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28895 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:33:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA28372; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:33:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:33:11 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA28907 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 28 Jan 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > I'll give it a shot, but I'm not familiar with the sysinstall source > at all, so I have no idea how much work it actually is. I'll let you > know if I run into serious trouble :) Okay, but I've no idea whether I'll be able to do it either. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 14:06:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03197 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:06:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03183 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hutton@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (moo.isi.edu [128.9.160.187]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08022; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:06:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801282206.OAA08022@tnt.isi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Chris Csanady cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hutton@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:52:19 -0600. <199801280152.TAA07604@friley585.res.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:06:46 -0800 From: Anne Hutton Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >> > >> >Just wondering if there are any for FreeBSD , how they perform and how > >> >much they cost? > >> > >> Packet Engines makes one, as well as a full duplex repeater. The NIC's > >> are somewhere in the $1000-1500 range I believe. As for performance, it's > >> not quite gigabit yet. With 2 PPro200's, the TCP performance for larger > >> write sizes is still limited to around 20MB/s. > > > >we also found that TCP performance for the Myrinet (also a gigabit technology) > > >on PPro200's running FreeBSD was not good - around 160Mbps. > >UDP performance was better at around 300Mbps. However, to achieve higher > >throughput for host based IP forwarding we developed a driver capable of > "peer >DMA". This increased our throughput to 440Mbps. No changes were made to > the OS > >or protocol stack to achieve this. Ted Faber provided the references in an > >earlier email. actually I got the throughput wrong - it's 480Mbps for UDP. > > How are you doing the "peer dma?" Peer DMA involves the direct transfer of packets from the incoming network interface card (NIC) to the outgoing NIC, rather than staging packets through host memory. The resulting forwarding requires half the bus bandwidth. It should be possible on other NIC types, provided they have buffers and programmable processors. > Is it zero copy? Although it is > possible to get good performance without modifying the stack, this is > unfair, imho. There is very little hardware that is as smart as the myrinet > boards. They are definately nice.. > So we didn't modify the stack or use another API bypass of the stack but modified the driver. The IP header alone is copied into the hosts' main memory and the packet's payload remains resident on the incoming NIC. The techique is useful for host based IP forwarding...ie not useful in an end system. > > > >BTW what is the MTU on Gigabit ethernet - 1500? > > Yes, disappointing isn't it? This alone makes it impossible to do anything > reasonably efficient. our measurements would indicate the same. > Now it will most likely be a mediocre technology > for high performance networking. It will still be good for backbones though, > where individual machines can't push that much data. > > Is this not reason enough to improve the stack though? many changes have been put forward on how to improve the stack, data copying, servicing interrupts etc. Zero copy TCP has been implemented for solaris ( I think). Generally, (it seems to me) the way forward is still up for grabs. Our measurements also showed that the periperal bus was a bottleneck. Anne. -- Anne Hutton USC/ISI 4676 Admiralty Way, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 Tel: 310-822-1511 ext. 211 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 14:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03766 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:08:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03700 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id XAA23132; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:08:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:08:22 +0100 (MET) To: joelh@gnu.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver References: <199801280252.UAA08226@detlev.UUCP> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 28 Jan 1998 23:08:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: Joel Ray Holveck's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:52:44 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck writes: > If we're going to do start doing graphical screensavers, then I > suggest making the mechanism more general, rather than requiring a Yup. I'm all for Mike's (or was it Joel's?) idea of making a general shell for graphical screensavers, so that people can just write the image update code and not have to bother with the "hard bits" (i.e. making things work safely wrt syscons) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 14:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07020 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06922; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:19:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id XAA23915; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:19:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:19:13 +0100 (MET) To: Mike Smith Cc: Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html References: <199801281032.VAA00659@word.smith.net.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 28 Jan 1998 23:19:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:10 +1030" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > Making this work neatly with gas would be, er, fun. And I invite you > to understand the code in the div0 directory. 8) The Watcom disassembler (for those who have Watcom C) can produce AT&T-syntax assembly listings from Microsoft OMF files. -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 14:22:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07872 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07751 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id XAA24066; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:21:34 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:21:33 +0100 (MET) To: merson@juno.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HELP MY E-MAIL IS OVERLOADED References: <19970128.080251.9254.2.merson@juno.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 28 Jan 1998 23:21:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: merson@juno.com's message of "Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:02:13 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk merson@juno.com writes: > PLEASE E-MAIL ME HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE ....MY > E-MAIL IS OVERLOADED. > THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP. Gee, I feel guilty for starting all these threads ;) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 16:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19691 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pobox.com (cpu1136.adsl.bellglobal.com [207.236.110.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19636 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:59:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brianc@pobox.com) Received: (from brianc@localhost) by pobox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA27482; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:59:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brianc) Message-ID: <19980128185953.56562@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:59:53 -0500 From: Brian Campbell To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? References: <19980128110433.54414@sliphost37.uni-trier.de> <199801281933.UAA00911@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C199801281933=2EUAA00911=40sos=2Efreebsd=2Edk=3E=3B_fro?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?m_S=F8ren_Schmidt_on_Wed=2C_Jan_28=2C_1998_at_08=3A33=3A1?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?4PM_+0100?= Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 08:33:14PM +0100, Søren Schmidt wrote: > In reply to Sascha Blank who wrote: > > with the big code merges into 2.2.5-STABLE over the last weeks, I wonder > > what the chances are that we will also see the IDE busmastering code > > incorporated into STABLE (and this way 2.2.6 as well). Or would doing so > > mean such a dramatic change to STABLE that it is held back for the > > 3.0-RELEASE? > > Yes. That's the easy answer. It requires two files (/sys/pci/ide_pci.c and /sys/ide_pcireg.h) to be added, two files (/sys/i386/isa/wd.c /sys/i386/isa/wdreg.h) to be replaced, and a line to be changed in /sys/i386/conf/files.i386. I've been running with it in 2.2-x since it was announced and it works just fine. Hardly a dramatic change. However, I've asked the same question before and met with the same disapproving glare. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 16:01:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20078 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20069 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21992 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:02:37 GMT Message-Id: <199801282002.UAA21992@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: Subject: something wrong with SYS-V IPC Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:57:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk something has gone bad with the SYSV IPC headers and such, i just did a make world today and they are still messed: compiling a program: #include int main() { union semun foo; return 0; } produces this deluge of errors: perlsta@server:~>gcc test.c In file included from /usr/include/sys/sem.h:13, from test.c:1: /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:54: parse error before `ushort' /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:54: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:55: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:56: parse error before `uid' /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:56: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:57: parse error before `gid' /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:57: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:58: parse error before `mode' /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:58: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:59: parse error before `seq' /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:59: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:60: parse error before `key' /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:60: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from /usr/include/sys/sem.h:13, from test.c:1: /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:94: parse error before `ftok' /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:94: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from test.c:1: /usr/include/sys/sem.h:16: parse error before `u_short' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:16: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/sem.h:17: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/sem.h:18: parse error before `semncnt' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:18: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/sem.h:19: parse error before `semzcnt' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:19: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/sem.h:23: field `sem_perm' has incomplete type /usr/include/sys/sem.h:25: parse error before `u_short' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:25: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/sem.h:26: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/sem.h:28: parse error before `sem_ctime' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:28: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/sem.h:33: parse error before `}' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:39: parse error before `u_short' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:39: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/sem.h:42: parse error before `}' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:53: parse error before `u_short' /usr/include/sys/sem.h:53: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/sem.h:175: warning: parameter has incomplete type /usr/include/sys/sem.h:176: parse error before `int' test.c: In function `main': test.c:3: storage size of `foo' isn't known so what gives? :) i looked at the file and it looks PERFECT to me, maybe gcc is choking on itself? but cc does the same thing... hmmmm anyone have any ideas? the reason i got into this mess is cause i'm trying to install the latest version of Wine and i noticed how its 'configure' script says that there is no "union semun" but i found it, the problem happens cause gcc returns an error code, not because the variable isn't declared, but because it has problems parsing the file.... HELP! :) -Alfred From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 16:21:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26771 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (slip-33.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26406 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA03751; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:18:36 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:18:36 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Alfred Perlstein cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something wrong with SYS-V IPC In-Reply-To: <199801282002.UAA21992@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > something has gone bad with the SYSV IPC headers and such, i just did a > make world today and they are still messed: > > compiling a program: Add #include to the top of this and you should be fine > #include > int main() { > union semun foo; > return 0; } > > produces this deluge of errors: > perlsta@server:~>gcc test.c > In file included from /usr/include/sys/sem.h:13, > from test.c:1: > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:54: parse error before `ushort' > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:54: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:55: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:56: parse error before `uid' > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:56: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:57: parse error before `gid' > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:57: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:58: parse error before `mode' > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:58: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:59: parse error before `seq' > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:59: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:60: parse error before `key' > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:60: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > In file included from /usr/include/sys/sem.h:13, > from test.c:1: > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:94: parse error before `ftok' > /usr/include/sys/ipc.h:94: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > In file included from test.c:1: > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:16: parse error before `u_short' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:16: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:17: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:18: parse error before `semncnt' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:18: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:19: parse error before `semzcnt' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:19: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:23: field `sem_perm' has incomplete type > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:25: parse error before `u_short' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:25: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:26: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:28: parse error before `sem_ctime' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:28: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:33: parse error before `}' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:39: parse error before `u_short' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:39: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:42: parse error before `}' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:53: parse error before `u_short' > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:53: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:175: warning: parameter has incomplete type > /usr/include/sys/sem.h:176: parse error before `int' > test.c: In function `main': > test.c:3: storage size of `foo' isn't known > > > > so what gives? :) > > i looked at the file and it looks PERFECT to me, maybe gcc is choking on > itself? > but cc does the same thing... hmmmm > > anyone have any ideas? > > the reason i got into this mess is cause i'm trying to install the latest > version of Wine > and i noticed how its 'configure' script says that there is no "union > semun" but i found it, the problem happens cause gcc returns an error code, > not because the variable isn't declared, but because it has problems > parsing the file.... > > HELP! :) > > -Alfred > Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 16:47:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02923 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02918 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:47:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01042 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:27:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801290027.QAA01042@austin.polstra.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:27:34 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk To all you people who were whining so loudly about your need for dladdr, as if your very lives depended on it: Have any of you even _tried_ the patches I posted here 10 days ago? I haven't received a single report. Grrrrr. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05302 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:01:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05227 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:00:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15844; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:39:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd015821; Wed Jan 28 17:39:39 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24901; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:39:37 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801290039.RAA24901@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav" at Jan 28, 98 11:08:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > If we're going to do start doing graphical screensavers, then I > > suggest making the mechanism more general, rather than requiring a > > Yup. I'm all for Mike's (or was it Joel's?) idea of making a general > shell for graphical screensavers, so that people can just write the > image update code and not have to bother with the "hard bits" (i.e. > making things work safely wrt syscons) You may want to revisit DejaNews. Several years ago, I was sent code from someone who did not want it distributed. The code ran AfterDark(tm) screensavers on FreeBSD 1.1.5. I still have a 1.1.5.1 box that runs the "Spock and Horta" screen saver if I boot it and leave it alone long enough... It seems to me that the format to use today for a "general shell" would be "whatever Windows 95 uses". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:11:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06933 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06866 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:11:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01481; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:11:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801290111.RAA01481@austin.polstra.com> To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:57:25 MST." <199801290057.RAA07509@mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:11:28 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > haven't received a single report. Grrrrr. > > I've tried the patches, and they are indeed running on my 2.2.5 > system. And, yes you did receive a single report pointing out a bug > in the patch. :) Well, besides that one. :-} > Is there an easy way for me to figure out how to check to see if it > exists so that I can support both old and new systems? For a compile time check: #include #ifdef LDSO_VERSION_HAS_DLADDR ... #endif I think a run time check should be possible, too, though I haven't tried it for this particular case: struct dl_info; #pragma weak dladdr extern int dladdr(void *, struct dl_info *); if (&dladdr == 0) /* It's not available. */ else /* It is available. */ Don't ya just love it? If gcc tries to get too smart with you, you might need to obfuscate the "&dladdr == 0" part. Gcc might try to assume that the address of a global can't possibly be zero. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07674 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:13:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07630 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:13:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04610; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA07509; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:57:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:57:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199801290057.RAA07509@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: John Polstra Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? In-Reply-To: <199801290027.QAA01042@austin.polstra.com> References: <199801290027.QAA01042@austin.polstra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > To all you people who were whining so loudly about your need for > dladdr, as if your very lives depended on it: > > Have any of you even _tried_ the patches I posted here 10 days ago? I > haven't received a single report. Grrrrr. I've tried the patches, and they are indeed running on my 2.2.5 system. And, yes you did receive a single report pointing out a bug in the patch. :) However, I haven't had time to mess with the Java sources to modify them to take advantage of dladdr (yet). Is there an easy way for me to figure out how to check to see if it exists so that I can support both old and new systems? Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:14:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07957 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:14:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07881 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:14:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04746; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA07616; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199801290113.SAA07616@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: John Polstra Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? In-Reply-To: <199801290111.RAA01481@austin.polstra.com> References: <199801290057.RAA07509@mt.sri.com> <199801290111.RAA01481@austin.polstra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Is there an easy way for me to figure out how to check to see if it > > exists so that I can support both old and new systems? > > For a compile time check: That won't work, since I need run-time. :) > I think a run time check should be possible, too, though I haven't > tried it for this particular case: > > struct dl_info; > > #pragma weak dladdr > extern int dladdr(void *, struct dl_info *); > > if (&dladdr == 0) > /* It's not available. */ > else > /* It is available. */ Let me try this one. Is there any include files I need to get the definitions for dl_info and dladdr? > Don't ya just love it? If gcc tries to get too smart with you, you > might need to obfuscate the "&dladdr == 0" part. Gcc might try to > assume that the address of a global can't possibly be zero. That's pretty funky, and I hope it works. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:20:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09813 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:20:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09738 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:20:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01616; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:20:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801290120.RAA01616@austin.polstra.com> To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:58 MST." <199801290113.SAA07616@mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:20:19 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > struct dl_info; > > > > #pragma weak dladdr > > extern int dladdr(void *, struct dl_info *); > > > > if (&dladdr == 0) > > /* It's not available. */ > > else > > /* It is available. */ > > Let me try this one. Is there any include files I need to get the > definitions for dl_info and dladdr? Will you always be building on a machine that has dladdr? If so, then you can get rid of the lines: struct dl_info; extern int dladdr(void *, struct dl_info *); and include instead. If the code might be built on an older system, then you'll need to grab the definition of "struct dl_info" from the patches I posted. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11500 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11311 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:29:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01710; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801290128.RAA01710@austin.polstra.com> To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:21:58 MST." <199801290121.SAA07719@mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:28:05 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I have a machine with the patches, and without. So, if/when I get > 20 free minutes I'll try it out. :) Thanks. By the way, in "src/include/link.h" you should change the #include of to this instead: struct dl_info; Otherwise, it breaks kernel builds, as I just discovered last night. John From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:37:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12733 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12722 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA09461 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:23:13 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801290123.MAA09461@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: Subject: Java Maintainer Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:21:36 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Is there one definitive team or person that handles the JDK ports to FreeBSD? If so, how can someone contact/become involved with the effort? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13534 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13422 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:40:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04986; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA07950; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:40:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:40:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199801290140.SAA07950@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Joe Shevland" Cc: Subject: Re: Java Maintainer In-Reply-To: <199801290123.MAA09461@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> References: <199801290123.MAA09461@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Is there one definitive team or person that handles the JDK ports to > FreeBSD? If so, how can someone contact/become involved with the effort? Send email to 'java-port@mt.sri.com'. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14988 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14824; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00688; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:42:57 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801281612.CAA00688@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chuck Robey cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:30:15 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:42:56 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I think you're wrong ... I have done this recently, with some success ... > you take the original code and compile it (me with my Borland tools, which > compile Masm code ok) and then use the "o2c.exe" program to translate from > Intel OMF to coff. Hmm, that's cheating. And there are no comments in there either. But all you'd have to do then would be to write the assembly bindings to put arguments in registers. > Can you send me some of the assembler stuff? I'll send back coff ... or > do you guys know if there's a coff disassembler? Lemme see ... Just grab from the above URL; it's only a couple of MB. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:51:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16047 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15803 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (newip21.wcc.net [206.104.247.21]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11991; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:46:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA03772; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:49:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:49:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290149.TAA03772@detlev.UUCP> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801280252.UAA08226@detlev.UUCP> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> If we're going to do start doing graphical screensavers, then I >> suggest making the mechanism more general, rather than requiring a > Yup. I'm all for Mike's (or was it Joel's?) idea of making a general > shell for graphical screensavers, so that people can just write the > image update code and not have to bother with the "hard bits" (i.e. > making things work safely wrt syscons) That was mine. I've got the basic shell ready, and am now in refinement. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 17:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16510 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16320 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id CAA12202; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:52:08 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:52:07 +0100 (MET) To: Terry Lambert Cc: joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver References: <199801290039.RAA24901@usr08.primenet.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 29 Jan 1998 02:52:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:39:37 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > > If we're going to do start doing graphical screensavers, then I > > > suggest making the mechanism more general, rather than requiring a > It seems to me that the format to use today for a "general shell" > would be "whatever Windows 95 uses". Nope, that's not it. What I meant was a kind of template for graphical screensaver lkms, so that you only need to write the code to update the screen (logo_update in my logo saver). The rest never changes anyway. FWIW, "whatever Windows 95 uses" is rather sub-optimal. Each screensaver is simply a normal executable which is renamed to *.scr or something. In Windows 95 they simply added switches for the demo mode in the display settings menu. It doesn't even have to be a Windows program; "way back when" ISTR that somebody took one of Tran's demos (an early one) and hacked it to quit on mouse or keyboard activity (originally it only stopped when you pressed ESC), and released it as a Windows 3.1 screensaver. (I have a dream about moving to the US, getting a job at Microsoft, finding out where they keep the Windows source code, pinch it, slap a GPL on it and spread it around on WaReZ sites... then hack their web server and slip a fake press release onto it announcing their decision to release Windows 9x under GPL. A guy can dream, can't he?) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 18:02:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19175 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:02:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from TomQNX.tomqnx.com ([206.75.140.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19163; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@tomqnx.com) Received: by TomQNX.tomqnx.com (Smail3.2 #1) id m0xxjIr-00085JC; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: From: tom@tomqnx.com (Tom Torrance at home) Subject: bad port - mail/imap-uw To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It appears that this port is bad. Working from the 2.2.5 ports distribution, updated via cvsup today: 1) md5 checksum fails. 2) if checksum is ignored, patch fails. 3) The archive file for the port is quite different in length from the archive file of the same name retrieved via lynx from the master site. 4) Replacing archive files: md5 checksum fails again if checksum ignored, 2 patches fail. Can anyone advise me how to get this port correctly? Regards, Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 18:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20350 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:11:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20328 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp33.wcc.net [208.6.232.33]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13983; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:07:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA03840; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:09:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:09:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290209.UAA03840@detlev.UUCP> To: tlambert@primenet.com CC: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801290039.RAA24901@usr08.primenet.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:39:37 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801290039.RAA24901@usr08.primenet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>> If we're going to do start doing graphical screensavers, then I >>> suggest making the mechanism more general, rather than requiring a >> Yup. I'm all for Mike's (or was it Joel's?) idea of making a general >> shell for graphical screensavers, so that people can just write the >> image update code and not have to bother with the "hard bits" (i.e. >> making things work safely wrt syscons) > You may want to revisit DejaNews. > Several years ago, I was sent code from someone who did not want it > distributed. > The code ran AfterDark(tm) screensavers on FreeBSD 1.1.5. Under X or console mode? > I still have a 1.1.5.1 box that runs the "Spock and Horta" screen > saver if I boot it and leave it alone long enough... > It seems to me that the format to use today for a "general shell" > would be "whatever Windows 95 uses". I haven't hacked AfterDark in some time, but IIRC, it was designed to work with GDI calls. I doubt that it has changed. This would probably require more overhead than it's worth, although I wouldn't know. Windows screensavers are funny things. They are actually renamed executables (what isn't?) that are called when it's time to activate. They are then responsible for doing things like updating frames, deactivating on time, ensuring that they don't get called while they are active (yes, Windows *does* keep sending screen saver events while the saver's active!), etc, etc. The Windows SDK has SCRNSAVE.LIB, which is universally recognized to be a crock. OWL has its own screensaver interface routines. So does AfterDark, and although I haven't looked at it, I suspect that MFC does as well. There are plenty of Windows screensaver libraries, and they really aren't worth squat. The biggest problem with them all is that they all are GDI based, which I don't want to be in the FreeBSD kernel. I think that either source- or binary-level compatibility with either Windows or AfterDark screensavers is a major lose. I would prefer to keep things simple, and opt for making a good shell the first time. Remember, I'm mostly writing a template here. My code handles the mode switching, syscons interface, etc. and calls hacker-defined routines for variable initialization and the actual drawing. (The actual drawing is currently handled by direct memory writes.) I'm not writing a screensaver manager like AfterDark, although I wouldn't mind writing one if there's a call for it. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 18:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20604 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:12:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20595 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:12:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA19594; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:12:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:12:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801290212.SAA19594@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> To: tom@tomqnx.com CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Subject: Re: bad port - mail/imap-uw From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * To: hackers@freebsd.org What posessed you people, I've seeing so many of these on -hackers lately! There is a "ports" list just for questions like this! ;) * 3) The archive file for the port is quite different in length from the * archive file of the same name retrieved via lynx from the master site. Probably just a case of the real master site changing the file without changing the name. Set "MASTER_SITE_FREEBSD" when you fetch and all should be fine (I just checked). Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 18:13:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21133 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21020 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04816; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA07719; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:21:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:21:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199801290121.SAA07719@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: John Polstra Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? In-Reply-To: <199801290120.RAA01616@austin.polstra.com> References: <199801290113.SAA07616@mt.sri.com> <199801290120.RAA01616@austin.polstra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Let me try this one. Is there any include files I need to get the > > definitions for dl_info and dladdr? > > Will you always be building on a machine that has dladdr? Yep. > If so, > then you can get rid of the lines: > > struct dl_info; > extern int dladdr(void *, struct dl_info *); > > and include instead. Cool. I have a machine with the patches, and without. So, if/when I get 20 free minutes I'll try it out. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 18:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21434 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:15:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21321; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:14:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp33.wcc.net [208.6.232.33]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14353; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:10:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA03855; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:13:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:13:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290213.UAA03855@detlev.UUCP> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, mike@smith.net.au, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801281612.CAA00688@word.smith.net.au> (message from Mike Smith on Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:42:56 +1030) Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801281612.CAA00688@word.smith.net.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> I think you're wrong ... I have done this recently, with some success ... >> you take the original code and compile it (me with my Borland tools, which >> compile Masm code ok) and then use the "o2c.exe" program to translate from >> Intel OMF to coff. > Hmm, that's cheating. We're hackers. Don't we pretty much cheat by definition? :-) Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 18:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25443 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:38:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25421; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17608; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:55:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: James Raynard cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-Reply-To: <19980128203159.07627@demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, James Raynard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 07:00:21PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > It does *not* compile on FreeBSD and some of the modules use MASM. > > > > "some"?! This will need someone with a *working* MASM-to-gas > > translator, or a penchant for x86 assembler and vector math. > > I don't have it on my system at the moment, but I think nasm > (in the ports) will accept MASM input and produce a .o file > that's linkable with GNU ld. No. Nasm is pretty close to MASM format, but it won't directly assemble, and the format of macros is pretty far apart. From what I can tell, the format of the NASM stuff is the best of the three I know (TASM/MASM, NASM, and the horrible GAS/AT&T format). I wish that gcc could be twisted to use NASM, it's far better to code in. NASM will produce either coff or the Intel OMF or ELF formats. It's the only one of the three that will do that. > > -- > In theory, theory is better than practice. In practice, it isn't. > James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland. http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 18:50:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27653 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27587 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA11468; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:50:15 -0800 (PST) To: joelh@gnu.org cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:09:50 CST." <199801290209.UAA03840@detlev.UUCP> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:50:15 -0800 Message-ID: <11464.886042215@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Remember, I'm mostly writing a template here. My code handles the > mode switching, syscons interface, etc. and calls hacker-defined > routines for variable initialization and the actual drawing. (The > actual drawing is currently handled by direct memory writes.) I'm not It would be nice if, at the very minimum, you supplied some minimum routines/macros for talking to this memory region, perhaps like this: typedef unsigned int scr_char; // char + color + attributes + fut. expansion str_char a_scr_char(char *color, u_int attrs, char ch); scr_char scr_getchar(int x, int y); void scr_putchar(int x, int y, str_char ach); /* Accessors: Possibly inline, possibly macros */ char *scr_char_color(str_char sch); u_int scr_char_attrs(str_char sch); char scr_char_ch(str_char sch); This would sort of give you your "getpixel()/putpixel()" equivalent interface for implementing the higher-level line, rectangle, circle, etc. drawing primitives which screen-saver writers would probably much rather use. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 19:03:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29645 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:03:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29588 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22088; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:02:14 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199801290302.BAA22088@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-Reply-To: <11464.886042215@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 28, 98 06:50:15 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:02:14 -0200 (EDT) Cc: joelh@gnu.org, tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Jordan K. Hubbard) // > routines for variable initialization and the actual drawing. (The // > actual drawing is currently handled by direct memory writes.) I'm not // // It would be nice if, at the very minimum, you supplied some minimum // routines/macros for talking to this memory region, perhaps like this: // // typedef unsigned int scr_char; // char + color + attributes + fut. expansion // // str_char a_scr_char(char *color, u_int attrs, char ch); // scr_char scr_getchar(int x, int y); // void scr_putchar(int x, int y, str_char ach); // // /* Accessors: Possibly inline, possibly macros */ // char *scr_char_color(str_char sch); // u_int scr_char_attrs(str_char sch); // char scr_char_ch(str_char sch); // // This would sort of give you your "getpixel()/putpixel()" equivalent // interface for implementing the higher-level line, rectangle, circle, // etc. drawing primitives which screen-saver writers would probably // much rather use. Isn't this too much overhead for a screen saver ? I haven't yet seen the graphic screen savers, but shouldn't they be done as a user level program with some kernel hooks ? This would allow X to interface with syscons saver framework. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 19:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00769 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00742 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:07:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA11589; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:07:13 -0800 (PST) To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: joelh@gnu.org, tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:02:14 -0200." <199801290302.BAA22088@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:07:13 -0800 Message-ID: <11586.886043233@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Isn't this too much overhead for a screen saver ? Naw, done correctly at least, I'd expect the overhead from using such an API to be negigible in comparison to the amount of work required to physically get the character onto the screen, no matter how it's done. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 19:17:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02277 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02236; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:17:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17748; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:15:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: mike@smith.net.au, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html In-Reply-To: <199801290213.UAA03855@detlev.UUCP> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > >> I think you're wrong ... I have done this recently, with some success ... > >> you take the original code and compile it (me with my Borland tools, which > >> compile Masm code ok) and then use the "o2c.exe" program to translate from > >> Intel OMF to coff. > > Hmm, that's cheating. > > We're hackers. Don't we pretty much cheat by definition? :-) Actually, I understand what he meant, and he's right, but I really, really hate the GAS/AT&T assembler format, and I won't put any time into learning it. If I had the time, I would sooner spend it figuring out how to make gcc spit out NASM mnemonics ... they seem a lot more reasonable. In my mind, they make more obvious sense (to me), which means I make less coding errors. Others might disagree, I think this might be a point of personal prejudice. I've done a lot of assembler coding lately, tho, so I feel justified in putting the point forward. > > Happy hacking, > joelh > > -- > Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan > Fourth law of programming: > Anything that can go wrong wi > sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 19:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04454 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:26:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com (root@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com [205.218.4.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04425 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from std@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com) Received: from opium (opium [10.0.0.3]) by pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/BIGbewtyh0ez) with SMTP id VAA19699 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:20:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from std@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com) Message-Id: <199801290320.VAA19699@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:25:49 -0600 (CST) From: Kraft Jeremy Reply-To: Kraft Jeremy Subject: small problem... To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: J7vTXBWf7wegjeI4XbkzlQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4c sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORGX-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hello, I have a small problem here, maybe some of you can be of great help. I work for a local ISP, and we're about to start doing some work for a weather station. We need to take input from a video camera, and somehow get it to take shots every say, 10 seconds, save it into the (preferably UNIX) machine. The purpose for this: They already have a "weather cam" that is hooked up, and shows on the nightly news, (6 and 10pm) -- they (and we) want to stick this "weather cam" online. If any of you know of anything that can do this, it would be greatly appreciated. You can either just mail me personally, or here. Thank you, Jeremy Kraft, Network Administrator http://pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com/~std/ flydaddy@pimpin.bigbotyhoes.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 19:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07511 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.mpsi.net (shell.mpsi.net [207.252.220.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07447 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:48:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillards@mpsi.net) Received: from mpsi.net (dfw-pm2-219.mpsi.net [207.252.220.219]) by shell.mpsi.net (8.8.6/8.8.6.Beta3) with ESMTP id DAA29130; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:47:54 GMT Message-ID: <34D0181B.4C30641@mpsi.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:48:11 -0800 From: Tom Dillard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: ldillard@spd.dsccc.com, dillards@mpsi.net Subject: AGP Problem? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Doug White suggested I contact you guys. I'm sure you are all busy but I figure a quick reply give me my answer. I have a new DELL XPS 266, 64Mb ECC SDRAM; video: 8Mb Matrox Millennium II AGP; drive: Ultra ATA CD: 14/32X eide (NEC) sound: creative labs awe64 isa storage: iomega zip for WinNT I'm trying to boot 2.2.5 from CD, first time install. Is 2.2.5 able to deal with AGP? After the configure screen (where you resolve irq conflicts) and a bunch of print msgs (which I'll omit for now) the screen goes blank. I'm suspecting now that the video is not being recognized or something along those lines. If there is a way to correct this (short of installing a different video card) I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks for you help, Tom ___________________________________________ home: dillards@mpsi.net work: ldillard@spd.dsccc.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 19:51:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08404 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08399 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA16037; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016033; Wed Jan 28 19:50:43 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA16596; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801290350.TAA16596@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Java Maintainer In-Reply-To: <199801290140.SAA07950@mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Jan 28, 98 06:40:20 pm" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:50:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: joe.shevland@horizonti.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Nate Williams writes: > > Is there one definitive team or person that handles the JDK ports to > > FreeBSD? If so, how can someone contact/become involved with the effort? > > Send email to 'java-port@mt.sri.com'. And more importantly, subscribe (and post) to freebsd-java@freebsd.org. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 19:54:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09334 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:54:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09152 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:53:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from pedro.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.33]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA5122; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:56:39 +0500 Message-ID: <34CFFD5A.3F54BC7E@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:54:02 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Converting binary formats (was Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" A somewhat related project is being done by some OS/2 guys: http://www.io.com/~timur/win32os2.html they are using some win32 APIs (Open32) supported by OS2 to convert win32 programs to OS2. I guess we could do the same with Linux or SYSV software if the 86open project doesn't come up with any result... Cool, native Mathematica ;-). Pedro. Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > > FWIW, I think I saw a TASM to GAS utility in www.delorie.com, but I > > can't find it now. There's another thing, though ATT to TASM, it's not > > too difficult to turn it around. > > Don't consider using it. Ta2as is incredibly buggy, take my word for it. > I didn't even use it as a first step helper. If you need to do the > conversion, you can easily convert the .obj file to a .o with the o2c.exe > program, which seems to work ok, and then disassemble that, if need be via > gdb. > > > > > cheers, > > Pedro. > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 20:05:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12015 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:05:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11995 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from e.knight@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA14904 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:04:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from jac-fl10-06.ix.netcom.com(206.214.134.38) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014798; Wed Jan 28 22:04:13 1998 Message-ID: <34CFFFC5.8EC268CF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:04:21 -0500 From: "Edward F. Knight" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Diamon Fire Pro 40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I have just purchased a Diamon Fire Pro 40 which is based on the Symbios 53c875. Can I use it with FreeBSD? Please reply by e-mail. I do not subscribe to the list. Thanks, Ted Knight From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 20:15:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14762 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:15:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14668; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23431; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:45:23 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA16079; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:45:22 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980129144522.23053@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:45:22 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Michael Slater Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard Reply-To: FreeBSD Hackers References: <01bd2c6a$4d628660$172226cb@support1.iexpress.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <01bd2c6a$4d628660$172226cb@support1.iexpress.net.au>; from Michael Slater on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 11:59:31AM +0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 11:59:31AM +0800, Michael Slater wrote: > Hello, > I recently purchased a totem motherboard, with a TX chipset, and it > works fine with the exception that FreeBSD cant find the Serial Ports. > > System is Pentium 166MMX 32 mb ram, Award BIOS, Mother Board as above, 512k > cache. Is their a reason why it cant find the serial ports ? Linux Works, > but i had to upgrade the BIOS before it would boot. This is the second motherboard about which people are reporting problems with the serial ports (the other is the IWill P55XB2). Both have TX chipsets. Possibly we're not too good with the timing on these boards. I'm forwarding this to -hackers, in case somebody there has an idea. You can help us: 1. Reboot and enter the config editor 2. Set the flags for the serial ports to 0x80 3. Send in the output of the dmesg program. This also goes for anybody else who has this problem. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 20:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15811 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15613 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00281; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:18:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199801290418.XAA00281@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Diamon Fire Pro 40 In-Reply-To: <34CFFFC5.8EC268CF@ix.netcom.com> from "Edward F. Knight" at "Jan 28, 98 11:04:21 pm" To: e.knight@ix.netcom.com (Edward F. Knight) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:18:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Edward F. Knight said: > I have just purchased a Diamon Fire Pro 40 which is based on the Symbios > 53c875. Can I use it with FreeBSD? > > Please reply by e-mail. I do not subscribe to the list. > I have one, and it works with -current. I don't have any experience with stuff prior to -current, recently. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 20:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18980 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18969 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA06126; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA09001; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:38:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:38:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199801290438.VAA09001@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Edward F. Knight" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diamon Fire Pro 40 In-Reply-To: <34CFFFC5.8EC268CF@ix.netcom.com> References: <34CFFFC5.8EC268CF@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > I have just purchased a Diamon Fire Pro 40 which is based on the Symbios > 53c875. Can I use it with FreeBSD? Yes. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 20:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19158 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19051 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA18404 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:23:30 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801290423.PAA18404@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: Subject: A small problem... Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:21:58 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Just read your hackers posting... Unfortunately I can't point you in the right direction but a friend of mine has done exactly what you're talking about... although he's not taking snapshots I don't think; I believe his version was more a security thing. However, he's spoken about the comms and application backend thats needed. Having said all that, I'll have a chat to him and either provide you with an email address tomorrow or let you know how to contact him. Mail me to remind me if I forget :) PS. I tried to send mail to the flydaddy address and it bounced. Mail me if you want further info. Joe joe.shevland@horizonti.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 20:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20753 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:49:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20748 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:49:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with ESMTP id EAA01078; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:48:32 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:48:32 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: Snob Art Genre , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On 28 Jan 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > I'll give it a shot, but I'm not familiar with the sysinstall source > at all, so I have no idea how much work it actually is. I'll let you > know if I run into serious trouble :) Cool! Personally, while I think sysinstall is pretty good, it's nice to see that we have a lot of perfectionists here. Don't let that discourage you small incremental improvements are fine since there seems to be plans for the mother of all sysinstalls rolling. Mike Hancock -- michaelh@cet.co.jp http://www.cet.co.jp CET Inc., Daiichi Kasuya BLDG 8F, 2-5-12 Higashi Shinbashi, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105 Japan Tel: +81-3-3437-1761 Fax: +81-3-3437-1766 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 20:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21665 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:56:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from master.inter-linc.net ([12.10.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21630 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:55:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@inter-linc.net) Received: from cheetah.inter-linc.net (12.10.101.16) by master.inter-linc.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 28 Jan 1998 22:53:57 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <34CFFFC5.8EC268CF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:51:01 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: "Edward F. Knight" Subject: RE: Diamon Fire Pro 40 Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On 29-Jan-98 Edward F. Knight wrote: >I have just purchased a Diamon Fire Pro 40 which is based on the Symbios >53c875. Can I use it with FreeBSD? > Yes. I have a Tekram DC-390F which is based on the same chip. Works beautifully. The driver for it is already in the GENERIC kernel (ncr0). Just plug the card in, attach some devices, and away you go. By the way, what is the in-BIOS setup on that Diamond card like? The one in this Tekram is rather nice, since it lets me tweak quite a few settings on both a card and per-device basis. Apparently the generic Symbios BIOSes do not do this. --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best operating system on the planet for Intel x86 based computers. ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:00:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22473 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from most.weird.com (root@most.weird.com [204.92.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22438 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woods@mail.weird.com) Received: from localhost (1608 bytes) by most.weird.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:39:05 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.102-Pre 1997-Dec-17 #5 built 1998-Jan-8) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:39:05 -0500 (EST) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: IP-Filter Mailing List , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 In-Reply-To: Andrew Stesin's message of "Wed, January 28, 1998 11:36:01 +0200" regarding "Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2" id References: Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" [ On Wed, January 28, 1998 at 11:36:01 (+0200), Andrew Stesin wrote: ] > Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 > > There is a new version of IPfilter, 3.2.3; it builds > _very_ smooth on FreeBSD-2.2.+ (I'm using it on > numerous STABLE snapshots as of last December and January, 98). > > I'm happy with 3.2.3 so far. You must be using it as an LKM. It will definitely not build into the RELENG_2_2 branch without a couple of minor changes. Personally I think LKMs on a secure machine are at least an order of magnitude worse than good old MS-DOS TSRs, esp. since the public release of the Phrack #51 newsletter. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:00:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22709 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22697 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05352; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801290500.VAA05352@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Archie Cobbs cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), joe.shevland@horizonti.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Java Maintainer In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:50:43 PST." <199801290350.TAA16596@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:27 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Nate Williams writes: > > > Is there one definitive team or person that handles the JDK ports to > > > FreeBSD? If so, how can someone contact/become involved with the effort? > > > > Send email to 'java-port@mt.sri.com'. > > And more importantly, subscribe (and post) to freebsd-java@freebsd.org. > > -Archie > java-port is a closed list for the discussion of Sun's JDK porting issues so no crossposting is allowed . Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:18:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25587 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p7.tfs.net [139.146.210.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25568 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id XAA22135; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:17:56 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199801290517.XAA22135@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: A small problem... In-Reply-To: <199801290423.PAA18404@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> from Joe Shevland at "Jan 29, 98 03:21:58 pm" To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com (Joe Shevland) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:17:55 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Thu Jan 1 19:03:58 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In reply: > Just read your hackers posting... > > Unfortunately I can't point you in the right direction but a friend of mine > has done exactly what you're talking about... although he's not taking > snapshots I don't think; I believe his version was more a security thing. > > However, he's spoken about the comms and application backend thats needed. > Having said all that, I'll have a chat to him and either provide you with > an email address tomorrow or let you know how to contact him. > > Mail me to remind me if I forget :) > > PS. I tried to send mail to the flydaddy address and it bounced. Mail me if > you want further info. > > Joe > joe.shevland@horizonti.com joe, what the heck are you talking about... i've only had 6 shots of Commemorativo, a lime [in six slices], a kc strip steak, and twice-baked potato tonight, [prerequisite for watching "Earth -vs- The Flying Saucers", (c) 1956, Columbia Pictures, followed by "Mars Attacks", (c) 1996, Paramount Pictures], and i would say this if i were stone sober... You are not making sense... Ever hear of context? Who are you talking to? What are you talking about? Why did you change the subject without referencing the original on the subject line, as in: Subject: Whatever... [was: Re: whatever] please quote the original that you are replying to... That way everyone can follow what you are trying to say without asking these same questions, and you [and we] can read intelligent responses. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:28:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27835 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27766 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:27:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02826; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:27:46 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801290527.QAA02826@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: Cc: Subject: Re: A BIG problem Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:25:16 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Excuse me, I've spoken to the original poster of this message and my reply seemed to make perfect sense. I didn't change the subject, I left it as the original. Have YOU ever heard of frigging politeness? Your message came across has rude and blunt. If you have nothing good to say, go and twiddle your thumbs elsewhere. My reply was in context (sure it was hurriedly written but I don't have as much time as some other useless people). Don't bother replying, and I don't care what you have or haven't had to eat or drink. Here ends my subscription to this list. ---------- > From: Jim Bryant > To: Joe Shevland > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: A small problem... > Date: Thursday, 29 January 1998 16:17 > > In reply: > > Just read your hackers posting... > > > > Unfortunately I can't point you in the right direction but a friend of mine > > has done exactly what you're talking about... although he's not taking > > snapshots I don't think; I believe his version was more a security thing. > > > > However, he's spoken about the comms and application backend thats needed. > > Having said all that, I'll have a chat to him and either provide you with > > an email address tomorrow or let you know how to contact him. > > > > Mail me to remind me if I forget :) > > > > PS. I tried to send mail to the flydaddy address and it bounced. Mail me if > > you want further info. > > > > Joe > > joe.shevland@horizonti.com > > joe, > > what the heck are you talking about... i've only had 6 shots of > Commemorativo, a lime [in six slices], a kc strip steak, and > twice-baked potato tonight, [prerequisite for watching "Earth -vs- The > Flying Saucers", (c) 1956, Columbia Pictures, followed by "Mars > Attacks", (c) 1996, Paramount Pictures], and i would say this if i > were stone sober... > > You are not making sense... Ever hear of context? Who are you > talking to? What are you talking about? Why did you change the > subject without referencing the original on the subject line, as in: > > Subject: Whatever... [was: Re: whatever] > > please quote the original that you are replying to... That way > everyone can follow what you are trying to say without asking these > same questions, and you [and we] can read intelligent responses. > > jim > -- > All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, > think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or > radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw > voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:28:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28114 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:28:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28103 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ACHOWDHU.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from dwarpal.in.oracle.com (dwarpal.in.oracle.com [152.69.176.11]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23738 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by dwarpal.in.oracle.com (8.6.13/37.8) id VAA16507; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:10:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199801290210.VAA16507@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> Date: 29 Jan 98 09:10:52 +0330 From: "Atish" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Auto-reply: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard Reply-to: ACHOWDHU.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.0.5.1.55) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2626433_0_11919801290641330" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --=_ORCL_2626433_0_11919801290641330 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am on leave till mid Feb'98. Will try to get back to you as soon as possible. -regards Atish #..........................................................................# >From : Atish Datta Chowdhury Oracle Software Development Centre India Development Centre 150 Embassy Point Bangalore 560001 Telephone: (088) 2256099 Extn:496/atish e-mail: achowdhu@in.oracle.com #..........................................................................# --=_ORCL_2626433_0_11919801290641330 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 29 Jan 98 07:45:22 From:"Greg Lehey " To:Michael,Slater, Subject:Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard Cc:freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG,FreeBSD,Hackers, Reply-to:hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References:<01bd2c6a$4d628660$172226cb@support1.iexpress.net.au> X-Mailer:Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To:<01bd2c6a$4d628660$172226cb@support1.iexpress.net.au>; from Michael Slater on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 11:59:31AM +0800 Organization:LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone:+61-8-8388-8286 Fax:+61-8-8388-8725 Mobile:+61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page:http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe:mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 11:59:31AM +0800, Michael Slater wrote: > Hello, > I recently purchased a totem motherboard, with a TX chipset, and it > works fine with the exception that FreeBSD cant find the Serial Ports. > > System is Pentium 166MMX 32 mb ram, Award BIOS, Mother Board as above, 512k > cache. Is their a reason why it cant find the serial ports ? Linux Works, > but i had to upgrade the BIOS before it would boot. This is the second motherboard about which people are reporting problems with the serial ports (the other is the IWill P55XB2). Both have TX chipsets. Possibly we're not too good with the timing on these boards. I'm forwarding this to -hackers, in case somebody there has an idea. You can help us: 1. Reboot and enter the config editor 2. Set the flags for the serial ports to 0x80 3. Send in the output of the dmesg program. This also goes for anybody else who has this problem. Greg --=_ORCL_2626433_0_11919801290641330-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28742 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28703 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with ESMTP id FAA01251; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:07:56 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:07:56 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: Terry Lambert , joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On 29 Jan 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > (I have a dream about moving to the US, getting a job at Microsoft, > finding out where they keep the Windows source code, pinch it, slap a > GPL on it and spread it around on WaReZ sites... then hack their web > server and slip a fake press release onto it announcing their decision > to release Windows 9x under GPL. A guy can dream, can't he?) While we're on the topic of ripping on MS, see http://www.winblows.com. I saw this a while ago, laughed and forgot about it. But a Japanese company started importing WinBlows98 thinking it will be a short term hit here in Japan. How about a WinBlows screen saver? -- michaelh@cet.co.jp http://www.cet.co.jp CET Inc., Daiichi Kasuya BLDG 8F, 2-5-12 Higashi Shinbashi, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105 Japan Tel: +81-3-3437-1761 Fax: +81-3-3437-1766 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:45:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01464 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01453 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06928; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:48:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980129004855.26813@vmunix.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:48:55 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Joe Shevland Cc: jbryant@unix.tfs.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A BIG problem References: <199801290527.QAA02826@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199801290527.QAA02826@oznet07.ozemail.com.au>; from Joe Shevland on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 04:25:16PM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 04:25:16PM +1100, Joe Shevland wrote: > Excuse me, I've spoken to the original poster of this message and my reply > seemed to make perfect sense. > > I didn't change the subject, I left it as the original. Actualy, you did... from "small problem..." to "A small problem" - and you didn't "reply", which mean that it was really hard to connect the original post and your response.. There may be something wrong with your mailer, since this message also doesn't thread as a "reply" either... Anyhow, just to let you know, when I read your post I thought "what the hell?" as well.. for many of us that get large amounts of email, it's difficult to pick up who's responding to what if it doesn't "thread" properly, or the original post wasn't quoted in the reply. > > Have YOU ever heard of frigging politeness? Your message came across has > rude and blunt. If you have nothing good to say, go and twiddle your thumbs > elsewhere. My reply was in context (sure it was hurriedly written but I > don't have as much time as some other useless people). > > Don't bother replying, and I don't care what you have or haven't had to eat > or drink. Here ends my subscription to this list. All I can say is "chill, dude.." -Mark > > ---------- > > From: Jim Bryant > > To: Joe Shevland > > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: A small problem... > > Date: Thursday, 29 January 1998 16:17 > > > > In reply: > > > Just read your hackers posting... > > > > > > Unfortunately I can't point you in the right direction but a friend of > mine > > > has done exactly what you're talking about... although he's not taking > > > snapshots I don't think; I believe his version was more a security > thing. > > > > > > However, he's spoken about the comms and application backend thats > needed. > > > Having said all that, I'll have a chat to him and either provide you > with > > > an email address tomorrow or let you know how to contact him. > > > > > > Mail me to remind me if I forget :) > > > > > > PS. I tried to send mail to the flydaddy address and it bounced. Mail > me if > > > you want further info. > > > > > > Joe > > > joe.shevland@horizonti.com > > > > joe, > > > > what the heck are you talking about... i've only had 6 shots of > > Commemorativo, a lime [in six slices], a kc strip steak, and > > twice-baked potato tonight, [prerequisite for watching "Earth -vs- The > > Flying Saucers", (c) 1956, Columbia Pictures, followed by "Mars > > Attacks", (c) 1996, Paramount Pictures], and i would say this if i > > were stone sober... > > > > You are not making sense... Ever hear of context? Who are you > > talking to? What are you talking about? Why did you change the > > subject without referencing the original on the subject line, as in: > > > > Subject: Whatever... [was: Re: whatever] > > > > please quote the original that you are replying to... That way > > everyone can follow what you are trying to say without asking these > > same questions, and you [and we] can read intelligent responses. > > > > jim > > -- > > All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, > stamped, > > think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, > indexed, or > > radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The > Prisoner" > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: > EM28pw > > voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. > http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: > KPC-3+ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 21:51:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02426 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA02413 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:51:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA05338; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:20:25 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801290420.FAA05338@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? To: bac@sympatico.ca (Brian Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:20:25 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980128185953.56562@pobox.com> from "Brian Campbell" at Jan 28, 98 06:59:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > > with the big code merges into 2.2.5-STABLE over the last weeks, I wonder ... > That's the easy answer. > > It requires two files (/sys/pci/ide_pci.c and /sys/ide_pcireg.h) to be added, > two files (/sys/i386/isa/wd.c /sys/i386/isa/wdreg.h) to be replaced, and > a line to be changed in /sys/i386/conf/files.i386. > > I've been running with it in 2.2-x since it was announced and it > works just fine. Hardly a dramatic change. However, I've asked > the same question before and met with the same disapproving glare. perhaps you can put together a small .tgz which goes into some "experimental" or "unsupported" directory so that people can try it even if it's not into the source tree. I did the same with PnP and snd driver and I think it was useful to several people. Talk to Jordan about this. NOTES: 1) I don't believe that there is any risk of the "unsupported" dir becoming a kitchen sink, especially if we restrict to features/kernel modules which are considered of some interest or already are in -current and have little impact on the rest of the system (i.e. I would not expect a smp.tgz package, but I _would like_ to see there the various splashkits or the cbq package which was posted some time ago, or possibly an IPV6 implementation...) 2) about the IDE busmastering code, I still would like to see some good benchmark result showing when/how it improves performance. The only comment I have seen (from the author ?) is that it improves throughput by a few percent under moderate load, but no data on how it behaves say with concurrent activity on the IDE bus, or with heavily loaded systems. Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 22:00:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04510 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:00:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04484; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01562; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:23:27 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290553.QAA01562@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: FreeBSD Hackers cc: Michael Slater , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:45:22 +1030." <19980129144522.23053@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:23:27 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 11:59:31AM +0800, Michael Slater wrote: > > Hello, > > I recently purchased a totem motherboard, with a TX chipset, and it > > works fine with the exception that FreeBSD cant find the Serial Ports. > > > > System is Pentium 166MMX 32 mb ram, Award BIOS, Mother Board as above, 512k > > cache. Is their a reason why it cant find the serial ports ? Linux Works, > > but i had to upgrade the BIOS before it would boot. > > This is the second motherboard about which people are reporting > problems with the serial ports (the other is the IWill P55XB2). Both > have TX chipsets. Possibly we're not too good with the timing on > these boards. Can people *please* identify and report the I/O device on these failing boards? If you need help in working out which one it is, please ask. It is unlikely in the extreme that there is anything wrong with the timing, as the PCI-ISA bridge is configured by the BIOS and not changed by FreeBSD. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 22:07:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06124 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06116 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:07:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01610; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:30:00 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290600.QAA01610@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tom Dillard cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ldillard@spd.dsccc.com Subject: Re: AGP Problem? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:48:11 -0800." <34D0181B.4C30641@mpsi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:29:58 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Doug White suggested I contact you guys. I'm sure you are all busy but > I figure a quick reply give me my answer. > > I have a new DELL XPS 266, 64Mb ECC SDRAM; > video: 8Mb Matrox Millennium II AGP; > drive: Ultra ATA > CD: 14/32X eide (NEC) > sound: creative labs awe64 isa > storage: iomega zip for WinNT > > I'm trying to boot 2.2.5 from CD, first time install. > > Is 2.2.5 able to deal with AGP? It shouldn't make any difference. > After the configure screen (where you > resolve irq conflicts) and a bunch of print msgs (which I'll omit for > now) the screen goes blank. I'm suspecting now that the video is not > being recognized or something along those lines. If there is a way to > correct this (short of installing a different video card) I'd appreciate > hearing about it. What's an "iomega zip for WinNT"? Is it SCSI or ATAPI? Have you tried leaving the system for a couple of minutes? There is a symptom under some circumstances where the system will pause for that sort of period before bringing the installer up. Also, try booting to the configuration editor (commandline) and say 'flags npx0 0x7'. This disables some optimisations which have been known to cause these symptoms. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 23:15:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15543 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15537 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:15:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (newip42.wcc.net [206.104.247.42]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08497; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:11:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA04631; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:15:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:15:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290715.BAA04631@detlev.UUCP> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <11464.886042215@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <11464.886042215@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >> Remember, I'm mostly writing a template here. My code handles the >> mode switching, syscons interface, etc. and calls hacker-defined >> routines for variable initialization and the actual drawing. (The >> actual drawing is currently handled by direct memory writes.) I'm not > It would be nice if, at the very minimum, you supplied some minimum > routines/macros for talking to this memory region, perhaps like this: > typedef unsigned int scr_char; // char + color + attributes + > // fut. expansion > str_char a_scr_char(char *color, u_int attrs, char ch); > scr_char scr_getchar(int x, int y); > void scr_putchar(int x, int y, str_char ach); > /* Accessors: Possibly inline, possibly macros */ > char *scr_char_color(str_char sch); > u_int scr_char_attrs(str_char sch); > char scr_char_ch(str_char sch); I'm working with graphics here; mine will be more like scrn_mode, getpixel, putpixel, etc. But the idea is sound, and is being used. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 23:15:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15686 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:15:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15616 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (newip42.wcc.net [206.104.247.42]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08469; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:10:44 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA04624; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:13:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:13:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290713.BAA04624@detlev.UUCP> To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801290302.BAA22088@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> (message from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis on Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:02:14 -0200 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801290302.BAA22088@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >>> routines for variable initialization and the actual drawing. (The >>> actual drawing is currently handled by direct memory writes.) I'm not >> It would be nice if, at the very minimum, you supplied some minimum >> routines/macros for talking to this memory region, perhaps like this: >> This would sort of give you your "getpixel()/putpixel()" equivalent >> interface for implementing the higher-level line, rectangle, circle, >> etc. drawing primitives which screen-saver writers would probably >> much rather use. > Isn't this too much overhead for a screen saver ? Not really. The typedefs take no space at all, and the functions will be implemented in code anyway. We're talking about low-level functions here, stuff that any screensaver will use, so why not make it easier? In my experience, the slightly higher-level graphics functions (line, circle, etc) are rarely used, so I will probably write them but make them optional linkage. Is there any way to have ld, when linking the lkm, throw out all the functions that aren't used, except the entry points that I specify? > I haven't yet seen the graphic screen savers, but shouldn't they be > done as a user level program with some kernel hooks? I've considered this. So far, both of the graphic screen savers written are very lightweight (2k, and daemon_saver is 6k), and are no problem to load in the kernel. However, graphic programs are normally large. The popular Bad Dog screensaver in AfterDark 3.0 is 536k, which is far too large to link into the kernel. I am considering writing a screensaver stub which loads an object file from disk and calls routines in it. (Would dlopen be the right interface, or does the kernel have something better?) This allows the saver to be paged out (since it's only in memory as a vnode, not an lkm), and makes for slightly easier debugging. Thoughts? > This would allow X to interface with syscons saver framework. I don't see how you mean. The saver is allowed to choose the mode (currently at compile time, although I may make it a runtime option), which right there would seem to blow X out of the picture. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 23:17:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16442 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:17:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16408 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:17:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (newip42.wcc.net [206.104.247.42]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08567; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:14:01 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA04634; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:17:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:17:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290717.BAA04634@detlev.UUCP> To: michaelh@cet.co.jp CC: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Michael Hancock on Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:07:56 +0900 (JST)) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > While we're on the topic of ripping on MS, see http://www.winblows.com. I > saw this a while ago, laughed and forgot about it. But a Japanese company > started importing WinBlows98 thinking it will be a short term hit here in > Japan. > How about a WinBlows screen saver? I like it! Get the idea in mind; I'll publish an early API RSN. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 23:45:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21621 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (d182-89.uoregon.edu [128.223.182.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21611 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA26259; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:44:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980128234458.28130@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:44:58 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Brian Campbell , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? References: <19980128185953.56562@pobox.com> <199801290420.FAA05338@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199801290420.FAA05338@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 05:20:25AM +0100 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Luigi Rizzo scribbled this message on Jan 29: > 2) about the IDE busmastering code, I still would like to see some > good benchmark result showing when/how it improves performance. > The only comment I have seen (from the author ?) is that it > improves throughput by a few percent under moderate load, but no > data on how it behaves say with concurrent activity on the IDE bus, > or with heavily loaded systems. oh, this is very easy to answer... basicly, run a make -j6 world and you should see a difference in times... the busmastering allows your processor to continue to compile source while the data gets transfered in the background instead of wasting the time using the processor to copy and store the data in memory... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 28 23:46:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21930 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:46:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21920 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02074; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:59 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290726.RAA02074@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:13:27 MDT." <199801290713.BAA04624@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:58 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > In my experience, the slightly higher-level graphics functions (line, > circle, etc) are rarely used, so I will probably write them but make > them optional linkage. I would be looking, instead, to the sort of primitives you find in modern graphics hardware (blit, filled polygon, etc). There's a reason that these are common. 8) > Is there any way to have ld, when linking the lkm, throw out all the > functions that aren't used, except the entry points that I specify? No. You could probably write something to digest an object and remove anything unreferenced, but this is fraught with danger. > I've considered this. So far, both of the graphic screen savers > written are very lightweight (2k, and daemon_saver is 6k), and are no > problem to load in the kernel. However, graphic programs are normally > large. The popular Bad Dog screensaver in AfterDark 3.0 is 536k, > which is far too large to link into the kernel. I am considering > writing a screensaver stub which loads an object file from disk and > calls routines in it. If you have "loaded it from disk", it is still in the kernel. If someone is mad enough to load a 600K screensaver, that's up to them. > (Would dlopen be the right interface, or does > the kernel have something better?) This allows the saver to be paged > out (since it's only in memory as a vnode, not an lkm), and makes for > slightly easier debugging. You might want to use this approach for data, but be aware that discussions recently have suggested that the saver be called at spltty(), and this may result in deadlock if the pages to be referenced cause a fault. (spltty() may block PPP/SLIP/PPBUS I/O which may be required to access the pages in question) At this juncture, I would advise KISS. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 00:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24559 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24546 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:00:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26038; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd026020; Thu Jan 29 01:00:07 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA28565; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:00:04 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801290800.BAA28565@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver To: joelh@gnu.org Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:00:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801290209.UAA03840@detlev.UUCP> from "Joel Ray Holveck" at Jan 28, 98 08:09:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > The code ran AfterDark(tm) screensavers on FreeBSD 1.1.5. > > Under X or console mode? Raw VGA, actually. > I think that either source- or binary-level compatibility with either > Windows or AfterDark screensavers is a major lose. I would prefer to > keep things simple, and opt for making a good shell the first time. And losing the ability to run a bazillion of the things that are already out there, plus all the commercially available things, plus... not a good trade, in my book. > Remember, I'm mostly writing a template here. My code handles the > mode switching, syscons interface, etc. and calls hacker-defined > routines for variable initialization and the actual drawing. (The > actual drawing is currently handled by direct memory writes.) I'm not > writing a screensaver manager like AfterDark, although I wouldn't mind > writing one if there's a call for it. I was thinking more in terms of a concerted effort to drag the code out of the original author. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 00:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26507 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:17:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26502 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08087; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd007981; Thu Jan 29 01:07:38 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA28848; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:07:36 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801290807.BAA28848@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:07:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801290027.QAA01042@austin.polstra.com> from "John Polstra" at Jan 28, 98 04:27:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > To all you people who were whining so loudly about your need for > dladdr, as if your very lives depended on it: > > Have any of you even _tried_ the patches I posted here 10 days ago? I > haven't received a single report. Grrrrr. That's because they work. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 00:18:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26796 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:18:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26788 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18293; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:10:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd018248; Thu Jan 29 01:10:49 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA29024; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:10:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801290810.BAA29024@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:10:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, joelh@gnu.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav" at Jan 29, 98 02:52:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > FWIW, "whatever Windows 95 uses" is rather sub-optimal. Each > screensaver is simply a normal executable which is renamed to *.scr or > something. In Windows 95 they simply added switches for the demo mode > in the display settings menu. Optimal coding-wise, or optimal existing-software-wise? 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 00:21:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27669 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27637 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (newip49.wcc.net [206.104.247.49]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA10248; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:17:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id CAA04981; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:20:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:20:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290820.CAA04981@detlev.UUCP> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: GCC extentions in FreeBSD code From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" What's the policy on using GCC extentions in kernel code? In particular, I'm considering using typeof for some variables that are holders for other variables, so that if the structures ever change, my code will change along with it. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 00:26:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28599 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:26:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28590 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:26:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02281; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:49:07 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290819.SAA02281@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GCC extentions in FreeBSD code In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:20:49 MDT." <199801290820.CAA04981@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:49:07 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > What's the policy on using GCC extentions in kernel code? In > particular, I'm considering using typeof for some variables that are > holders for other variables, so that if the structures ever change, my > code will change along with it. Don't do it. Define and export a type if you're implementing a public interface. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 00:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29535 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29527 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp86.wcc.net [208.6.232.86]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA10508; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:28:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id CAA05023; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:31:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:31:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290831.CAA05023@detlev.UUCP> To: tlambert@primenet.com CC: tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801290800.BAA28565@usr06.primenet.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:00:04 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801290800.BAA28565@usr06.primenet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >> I think that either source- or binary-level compatibility with either >> Windows or AfterDark screensavers is a major lose. I would prefer to >> keep things simple, and opt for making a good shell the first time. > And losing the ability to run a bazillion of the things that are > already out there, plus all the commercially available things, plus... > not a good trade, in my book. I keep wanting to say, "But Terry, we don't want to implement all the GDI calls!", but it's evident that somebody has already made it work. I would love to see that happen. I'm just suprised that it did. >> Remember, I'm mostly writing a template here. My code handles the >> mode switching, syscons interface, etc. and calls hacker-defined >> routines for variable initialization and the actual drawing. (The >> actual drawing is currently handled by direct memory writes.) I'm not >> writing a screensaver manager like AfterDark, although I wouldn't mind >> writing one if there's a call for it. > I was thinking more in terms of a concerted effort to drag the code out > of the original author. 8-). Hey, cool by my book. I'd love to see how he did it! Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 00:52:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01751 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01746 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:52:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt111.wcc.net [208.10.139.111]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA10898; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:46:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.7) id CAA05120; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:49:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:49:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290849.CAA05120@detlev.UUCP> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, jkh@time.cdrom.com, tlambert@primenet.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801290726.RAA02074@word.smith.net.au> (message from Mike Smith on Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:58 +1030) Subject: Re: Graphical screen saver From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199801290726.RAA02074@word.smith.net.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >> In my experience, the slightly higher-level graphics functions (line, >> circle, etc) are rarely used, so I will probably write them but make >> them optional linkage. > I would be looking, instead, to the sort of primitives you find in > modern graphics hardware (blit, filled polygon, etc). There's a reason > that these are common. 8) Okay. Wouldn't a higher priority be to implement a userland VGA library that does these things? >> Is there any way to have ld, when linking the lkm, throw out all the >> functions that aren't used, except the entry points that I specify? > No. You could probably write something to digest an object and remove > anything unreferenced, but this is fraught with danger. Fine. I'll do the graphics primatives an easier way. >> I've considered this. So far, both of the graphic screen savers >> written are very lightweight (2k, and daemon_saver is 6k), and are no >> problem to load in the kernel. However, graphic programs are normally >> large. The popular Bad Dog screensaver in AfterDark 3.0 is 536k, >> which is far too large to link into the kernel. I am considering >> writing a screensaver stub which loads an object file from disk and >> calls routines in it. > If you have "loaded it from disk", it is still in the kernel. If > someone is mad enough to load a 600K screensaver, that's up to them. When I meant to load it from disk, I meant hold open a vnode, not actually page it in. That way, it comes from the pagable buffer space, rather than the wired vnode space. > You might want to use this approach for data, but be aware that > discussions recently have suggested that the saver be called at > spltty(), and this may result in deadlock if the pages to be > referenced cause a fault. (spltty() may block PPP/SLIP/PPBUS I/O > which may be required to access the pages in question) Hmmm... good point. And there's no way to guarantee that a given spl'd block of code will be paged in at any given time without great magic and pain. What about adding an splcons, as a subset of spltty? That should solve that issue, without breaking existing code. (Although this may traumatize serial consoles, I don't know.) > At this juncture, I would advise KISS. With the page fault issue, I would tend to agree. And believe me, at this juncture, I am finishing off a minimalist template. All these other things are ideas for future expansion. Remember, I'm not planning on doing this tonight. But when I finish this and the hacking bug starts nibbling at my fingertips again, then I'd like to have some idea of where to go. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 01:05:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03140 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:05:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03134 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00838; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801290819.AAA00838@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: John-Mark Gurney cc: Luigi Rizzo , Brian Campbell , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:44:58 PST." <19980128234458.28130@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:19:05 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Actually, he can probably use fxtv to save raw images to disk 8) dd is a nice easy test. To get top performance you do need a drive ... I have an older ide disk which I get about 3MB/sec with dma and on one of my newer ide drives I get 8MB/sec from the raw disk partition . Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 01:37:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06163 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grunt.vl.net.ua (daemon@grunt.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA06145 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from news@grunt.vl.net.ua) Received: from news by grunt.vl.net.ua with local (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxqNt-0003Bp-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:35:45 +0200 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:35:44 +0200 Message-ID: <6apihg$bv4$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970930; i386 FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE] X-Via: News-To-Mail v1.0 From: Vladimir Litovka Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In maillist.freebsd.hackers Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > Furthermore, you can make the "shell" for uusys a two line shell script. Imagine, that you have 1000 uucp clients and for each of them you must create shell script. Do you like this? ;) I have been wrote one script and now pass only argument to it - which system must be executed. > I don't think this should become a feature of the > login process. It seems more of a risk than a benefit to me. As root, you can do anything. So, you must carefully setup your host. Security of your system is fully depend on your work. ;) -- Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua ----------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? UNIX: And where do you want to find yourself tomorrow? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 02:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10209 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grunt.vl.net.ua (grunt.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA10115 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:11:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from news@grunt.vl.net.ua) Received: from news by grunt.vl.net.ua with local (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxqQY-0003CA-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:38:30 +0200 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patch to /sys/net/if.c Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:38:30 +0200 Message-ID: <6apimm$bvp$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970930; i386 FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE] X-Via: News-To-Mail v1.0 From: Vladimir Litovka Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In maillist.freebsd.hackers Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > This will issue a log message when promiscuous mode is disabled. What is 'promiscuous mode' ? -- Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua ----------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? UNIX: And where do you want to find yourself tomorrow? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 02:18:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11294 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:18:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from sos@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11284; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:18:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801291018.CAA11284@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Busmastering code for IDE drives in 2.2.6? In-Reply-To: <19980128185953.56562@pobox.com> from Brian Campbell at "Jan 28, 98 06:59:53 pm" To: bac@sympatico.ca (Brian Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:18:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In reply to Brian Campbell who wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 08:33:14PM +0100, Søren Schmidt wrote: > > In reply to Sascha Blank who wrote: > > > with the big code merges into 2.2.5-STABLE over the last weeks, I wonder > > > what the chances are that we will also see the IDE busmastering code > > > incorporated into STABLE (and this way 2.2.6 as well). Or would doing so > > > mean such a dramatic change to STABLE that it is held back for the > > > 3.0-RELEASE? > > > > Yes. > > That's the easy answer. No, its the right answer. > It requires two files (/sys/pci/ide_pci.c and /sys/ide_pcireg.h) to be added, > two files (/sys/i386/isa/wd.c /sys/i386/isa/wdreg.h) to be replaced, and > a line to be changed in /sys/i386/conf/files.i386. > > I've been running with it in 2.2-x since it was announced and it > works just fine. Hardly a dramatic change. However, I've asked > the same question before and met with the same disapproving glare. Yes so do I, but its the first incarnation (which was build on 2.2), and it lack all kind of error checks etc, ie it is NOT for general use. The version in current has improved on that account, but still not perfect, but morre changes has been made due to current diverging from the -stable branch, so its not so easy, and it is not garantied to work. It needs ALOT of testing before it _could_ go into -stable, and that we dont have for 2.2.6. Søren From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 02:19:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11549 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:19:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11543 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04164; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:16:34 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D05702.2DF977A4@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:16:34 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vladimir Litovka CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patch to /sys/net/if.c References: <6apimm$bvp$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" It's a mode where the network card will receive & process all packets, not just packets destined for itself or the network broadcast address... It gets logged because of it's security implications (it's nice to have it log the fact someone switched the network interface into or out of promiscuous mode) It allows you to 'snoop' on a network, or provide useful debug info on what's going on... Regards, Karl Pielorz Vladimir Litovka wrote: > > In maillist.freebsd.hackers Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > > This will issue a log message when promiscuous mode is disabled. > > What is 'promiscuous mode' ? > -- > Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? > UNIX: And where do you want to find yourself tomorrow? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 03:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17832 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (relay.linkdesign.com [194.42.128.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17768 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:18:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@linkdesign.com) Received: from cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (host36.bln.de [194.162.193.217]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03306 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:18:08 +0200 (EET) Received: (from michael@localhost) by cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13247; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:15:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com) Message-ID: <19980129121552.64538@vds.linkdesign.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:15:52 +0100 From: Michael Bielicki To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Anybody knows how to get this Streamer working ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi there, I got a ARCHIVE IBM4326NP/RP !D 04AC DAT Streamer and I get all the time I/O errors on it. Does anybody have a description for the jumper settings or a tip what to do ? Thanks Michael -- Michael Bielicki Buisnetco Telecom. Ltd. Link Design International Ltd. 13 Iras Str., Office 23 65, Cliff Rd, Tramore Nicosia 1061, Cyprus http://www.linkdesign.com Co. Waterford, Ireland Voice: +357-2-362 421 Voice: +353-51-386921 Fax: +357-2-362 429 We use FreeBSD Fax: +353-51-390880 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNNBk6MneSpf+YTVhAQFs6AQArn4gQVKmCuE1nZF11h9K1BXIG5NovX70 SakOfISL0Taa0B338qB2d8JX3GpCSOslZMxYFbO/LzX1Ftfw07vi3fcPii/PfNNA T73nQPzL9n/RSVTyMUAyzLwXV2nKYfxSr6LaV8r9+NCmb7A41WNu2XlWzpj5R9Cp b3OzKn64qtg= =hnbx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 03:19:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18132 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (relay.linkdesign.com [194.42.128.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18062 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@linkdesign.com) Received: from cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (host36.bln.de [194.162.193.217]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03313 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:19:20 +0200 (EET) Received: (from michael@localhost) by cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13860; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:17:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com) Message-ID: <19980129121703.41635@vds.linkdesign.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:17:03 +0100 From: Michael Bielicki To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Static Linux ELF stuff not running Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=VD9QWMuhilNxW9fy X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --VD9QWMuhilNxW9fy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I=B4m trying to figure out how to get the Linux Version of th Adabas D RDBMS running on CURRENT in Linux emulation mode but it does not seem to understand the static ELF binaries. Any idea ? --=20 Michael Bielicki Buisnetco Telecom. Ltd. Link Design International= Ltd. 13 Iras Str., Office 23 65, Cliff Rd, Tr= amore Nicosia 1061, Cyprus http://www.linkdesign.com Co. Waterford, Ir= eland Voice: +357-2-362 421 Voice: +353-51-3= 86921 Fax: +357-2-362 429 We use FreeBSD Fax: +353-51-3= 90880 --VD9QWMuhilNxW9fy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNNBlL8neSpf+YTVhAQG35AP+LUzBG1xAPgdq7ATxVjeWVNRQaACDvirG fMUUVoHMvJ+0zoAu4fiT/BDL/avxXng4f7f8stKyQ9Du8cVv4sk6F1ZFds5wwv0D K+Vl/OXgwxmrHP7micR21++17gzvA2KzBvYFf58MXcXZliGbKg4x9q2Gh7vKXqj7 B+rHKo9KrmQ= =vW/o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VD9QWMuhilNxW9fy-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 03:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18721 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (relay.linkdesign.com [194.42.128.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18669 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@linkdesign.com) Received: from cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (host36.bln.de [194.162.193.217]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03329 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:20:25 +0200 (EET) Received: (from michael@localhost) by cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13933; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:18:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com) Message-ID: <19980129121807.19326@vds.linkdesign.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:18:07 +0100 From: Michael Bielicki To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: groff broken ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=htmJPUSI46BTXbx4 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --htmJPUSI46BTXbx4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmm I have the same problem on CURRENT and on STABLE that anytime there is a invoking of refer in the Makefile I get the following error: Failed assertion at line 161, file `/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/refer/../../../../contrib/groff/refer/token.cc'. Abort trap Is this normal ? -- Michael Bielicki Buisnetco Telecom. Ltd. Link Design International Ltd. 13 Iras Str., Office 23 65, Cliff Rd, Tramore Nicosia 1061, Cyprus http://www.linkdesign.com Co. Waterford, Ireland Voice: +357-2-362 421 Voice: +353-51-386921 Fax: +357-2-362 429 We use FreeBSD Fax: +353-51-390880 --htmJPUSI46BTXbx4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNNBlbsneSpf+YTVhAQG7kgQAhjw+h6INuM3hkAyyv02u/RePuMKKxarl 4ZZzRFu7UnxKCo0jMEcyhqdAmYOev9pJjKTEck6vzKb+jxNNSuHPAbpevw4tDznh C3w2Icbh3N07tehnBa/V7bZUr3ZLTV9IQC8Oh5y+ah1T3xjJjIyUifDvy1AnzXKm 0M8JSgzJE5k= =Z70n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --htmJPUSI46BTXbx4-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 04:27:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29066 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:27:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au (ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au [130.102.222.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA29055 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:27:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdr@ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au) Received: (from gdr@localhost) by ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA20513; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:28:14 GMT Message-Id: <199801292228.WAA20513@ajax.wcs.uq.edu.au> Subject: Re: AGP Problem? In-Reply-To: <34D0181B.4C30641@mpsi.net> from Tom Dillard at "Jan 28, 98 09:48:11 pm" To: dillards@mpsi.net (Tom Dillard) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:28:13 +0000 () Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ldillard@spd.dsccc.com, dillards@mpsi.net From: Gary Roberts Organisation: Well Control Australia Phone: +617 3844 0400 Fax: +617 3844 0444 Reply-To: gdr@wcs.uq.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Tom Dillard writes: > I have a new DELL XPS 266, 64Mb ECC SDRAM; mine is a clone with ASUS P2L97A MB, PII 266, 64Mb SDRAM (440LX AGP chipset) > video: 8Mb Matrox Millennium II AGP; AGP chipset is ATI 3D RAGE on MB with 4Mb of 64bit SGRAM > drive: Ultra ATA 6.4Gb Ultra DMA Bus Master EIDE > CD: 14/32X eide (NEC) clone 24X EIDE > sound: creative labs awe64 isa creative labs soundblaster 16 PNP > storage: iomega zip for WinNT nil Only other card is 3C509B ISA PNP. > I'm trying to boot 2.2.5 from CD, first time install. I've just done a full install via NFS of 2.2.5 with nil problems (after disabling PNP on the NIC). > Is 2.2.5 able to deal with AGP? After the configure screen (where you No problems at all with video. I did have a problem with NFS until I disabled PNP on the NIC. Now to get X going. I notice there is an ATI 3D RAGE entry for the Mach64 server but I'm not sure if this is appropriate for the AGP chipset. I hope you get your problems sorted out. Cheers, -- Gary Roberts From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 04:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03028 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (relay.linkdesign.com [194.42.128.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03023 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:54:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@linkdesign.com) Received: from cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (host36.bln.de [194.162.193.217]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03880; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:54:29 +0200 (EET) Received: (from michael@localhost) by cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29670; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:52:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com) Message-ID: <19980129135210.37385@vds.linkdesign.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:52:10 +0100 From: Michael Bielicki To: "Gary B. Clark II" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Static Linux ELF stuff not running References: <19980129121703.41635@vds.linkdesign.com> <199801291245.GAA03738@main.brewich.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801291245.GAA03738@main.brewich.com>; from Gary B. Clark II on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 06:45:26AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 06:45:26AM -0600, Gary B. Clark II wrote: > Michael Bielicki wrote: > > Hi there, > > I=B4m trying to figure out how to get the Linux Version of th > > Adabas D RDBMS running on CURRENT in Linux emulation mode but it > > does not seem to understand the static ELF binaries. >=20 >=20 > brandelf is what you need.... >=20 >=20 > GB Hmmm, does this mean I should brand all the binaries with FreeBSD ? --=20 Michael Bielicki Buisnetco Telecom. Ltd. Link Design International= Ltd. 13 Iras Str., Office 23 65, Cliff Rd, Tr= amore Nicosia 1061, Cyprus http://www.linkdesign.com Co. Waterford, Ir= eland Voice: +357-2-362 421 Voice: +353-51-3= 86921 Fax: +357-2-362 429 We use FreeBSD Fax: +353-51-3= 90880 --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNNB7esneSpf+YTVhAQECbwQAjGxzUENVsOd6xgaxqeg1RraPRhjyCLSu 7UvHqi+eHbUMPQVklVXk84V+woH+1aV5FZN6geBvdp0Ua2u6/1wljr12dLLMjVdG u0U7kASSsuV9qZm/QGZuVqLDz9Zo8PRTk5Sp/IwQxjpPj3xeiX9w2AIe0C6lLT16 gRbYI+Yr940= =13OL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 05:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06429 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:21:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from master.inter-linc.net ([12.10.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06424 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@inter-linc.net) Received: from cheetah.inter-linc.net (12.10.101.14) by master.inter-linc.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 29 Jan 1998 07:19:25 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199801290600.QAA01610@word.smith.net.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:18:32 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: AGP Problem? Cc: ldillard@spd.dsccc.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Tom Dillard Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >> After the configure screen (where you >> resolve irq conflicts) and a bunch of print msgs (which I'll omit for >> now) the screen goes blank. I'm suspecting now that the video is not >> being recognized or something along those lines. If there is a way to >> correct this (short of installing a different video card) I'd appreciate >> hearing about it. You probably did something silly like remove the sc0 device when you were "resolving the IRQ conflicts". --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best operating system on the planet for Intel x86 based computers (and soon Sparcs). ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 08:17:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00377 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:17:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from webserver.smginc.com (webserver.smginc.com [204.170.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00371 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com ([204.170.177.4]) by webserver.smginc.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13723) with SMTP id AAA258 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:18:44 -0500 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <34D0D540@smginc.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 98 11:15:12 PST From: Adam Turoff To: hackers Subject: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 11:16:00 PST Message-ID: <34D0D540@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >> What are peoples' thoughts on a Java administration tool for FreeBSD? One > > I feel the same way about this as I do about all the proposals I've > seen for web-based administration and installation tools in general: > Doing this is not an easy nut to crack, and security concerns are not > entirely trivial, but if you think you can do it then by all means GO > FOR IT! > > Unfortunately, it would also seem that most people are only good for > suggesting that a Java or plain-HTML based admin tool would be a good > thing and not so much good for actually coding up the proof-of-concept > that'd be required to make it anything more than a simple and > often-made suggestion. ;-) > > Jordan OK. Enough goading. :-) I'm doing perl based CGI to pay the bills and gradually getting up to speed on being a reasonable FreeBSD admin for a small workgroup. I don't feel qualified enough to start down this path alone. There are a lot of nontrivial security issues to deal with, and a lot of nontrivial configuration issues to deal with, too. I'm in a situation where Netware Admins are rushing to get up to speed with NT, and I'm throwing FreeBSD in their faces at the same time. I'll spare the anti-NT discussion here; no need preaching to the choir. Here are a few things I'd like to see in a web-based admin tool: - DNS administration - user config - ports management - samba config (admin-loadable module? :-) ) - NFS config - mounting - apache config (?) - mirroring - config replication (act like that machine there) - lynx friendly Of course, some of these issues are rife with security holes. Hopefully, used judiciously, it'll be a value add that will make FreeBSD more approachable to newbies. My guess is that limiting access to clients coming from localhost would help, allowing access from a list of trusted clients as well. The admin server could come up and down as needed rather than sitting there waiting to be abused. My questions to -hackers at large would be: - any other admin type things that should be included? - any other security issues that should be considered? - ideas for extensibility? Hopefully I should have something started in a few weeks. -- Adam Rhythm deficient bassist for Necessity & the Mothers of Invention From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 08:39:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03248 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03217 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06022; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:38:39 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D0B090.5061FE9C@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:38:40 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Turoff CC: hackers Subject: Re: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) References: <34D0D540@smginc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hmmm... I don't often throw my 2 pennies worth in, but here goes... The company where I'm working now have several FreeBSD machines, and 1 competent BSD 'maintainer' (guess who?). People have been asking me 'how do I set-up users, please set this up, please do this, please change that password' etc. - and I've come up with a solution - there is very little code written so far, and what is written is probably more aimed at maintaining a system that is 'up' rather than setting a new one up from scratch... Here goes... On each machine we run an 'admind' process (admin. daemon). Now all our machines are firewalled correctly, so only internal machines on our Company LAN can connect on the AdminD port - but even so, I still intend to use passwords / encryption etc. Once AdminD is running - people (administrators) connect to that port, 'login' (and get assigned a session ID / encryption key etc.) - and can then 'control' the machine... A lot of this is based on SMTP / POP3 conversation style stuff, e.g. you might send a command to that port to 'ADDUSER "username", "password", "group", "homedir", "shell"' etc. - the box then goes off and does this - tells you whether it could or couldn't etc, likewise a 'LISTSMTPVIRTUALDOMAIN' command will return a nice list of all the SMTP Virtual domains the server supports, which again can be read and displayed by the client... I know this solution isn't perfect, but it's not doing too bad so far... We have Win 32 clients (written in VB) which connect to it at the moment, though there's no reason why these couldn't be Java clients. The client is 'dumb', all it has to do is prompt for the right information - make sure it's sensible - then submit it to the server to have it carried out. Any errors are returned as text, or error codes - which the client can display to the user. Right - that's the 'rough' outline, please flame away... (On a serious note, sufficiently little of this has been coded for me to change to a different system - if we can agree a 'better' way... I'm not too hot for CGI / httpd doing all the work - hence the 'admind' approach - it satisfies our main aim of secure administration from Win32 clients, using 'nice' and 'pretty' Win32 GUI elements). I may be able to secure work time to help with such a project - if a few of us can get together and decide how to implement it, and plan it out etc. Regards, Karl Pielorz Adam Turoff wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, it would also seem that most people are only good for > > suggesting that a Java or plain-HTML based admin tool would be a good > > thing and not so much good for actually coding up the proof-of-concept > > that'd be required to make it anything more than a simple and > > often-made suggestion. ;-) > > > > Jordan > > OK. Enough goading. :-) > > I'm doing perl based CGI to pay the bills and gradually getting up to > speed on being a reasonable FreeBSD admin for a small workgroup. > > I don't feel qualified enough to start down this path alone. There > are a lot of nontrivial security issues to deal with, and a lot of > nontrivial configuration issues to deal with, too. > > I'm in a situation where Netware Admins are rushing to get > up to speed with NT, and I'm throwing FreeBSD in their faces > at the same time. I'll spare the anti-NT discussion here; no > need preaching to the choir. > > Here are a few things I'd like to see in a web-based admin tool: > - DNS administration > - user config > - ports management > - samba config (admin-loadable module? :-) ) > - NFS config > - mounting > - apache config (?) > - mirroring > - config replication (act like that machine there) > - lynx friendly > > Of course, some of these issues are rife with security holes. > Hopefully, used judiciously, it'll be a value add that will make > FreeBSD more approachable to newbies. > > My guess is that limiting access to clients coming from > localhost would help, allowing access from a list of trusted > clients as well. The admin server could come up and down > as needed rather than sitting there waiting to be abused. > > My questions to -hackers at large would be: > - any other admin type things that should be included? > - any other security issues that should be considered? > - ideas for extensibility? > > Hopefully I should have something started in a few weeks. > > -- Adam > Rhythm deficient bassist for Necessity & the Mothers of Invention From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 09:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07338 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:08:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hammer.ipaper.com (hammer.ipaper.com [206.98.137.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07307 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:07:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capriotti@geocities.com) Received: from com-pipp01 (node35.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.35]) by hammer.ipaper.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13675; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:09:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129151459.006ac1a4@pop.mpc.com.br> X-Sender: capriotti@pop.mpc.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:14:59 -0200 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Capriotti Subject: Re: WebAdmin Cc: capriotti0@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <34D0B090.5061FE9C@tdx.co.uk> References: <34D0D540@smginc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Abouit suggestion on that "What I would like to see in a weAdimn tool", I found a couple of good points here: >On each machine we run an 'admind' process (admin. daemon). Now all our >machines are firewalled correctly, Installation and config (light and/or complete) of firewalls >passwords / encryption etc. Setting up encryptation (I know there are restrictions for non-USA residents) Now one question : if this could turn into a general admin tool, why not use Java (no flames, I beg !). If the tools is general/customizable enough, and can be used by other Unix systems, Java could be a way of spreading this code and the the Free idea. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 09:35:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11877 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:35:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11861 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxxc6-0002C1-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:18:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Michael Bielicki cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Static Linux ELF stuff not running In-Reply-To: <19980129121703.41635@vds.linkdesign.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/SIGNED; BOUNDARY="0-1556945670-886094329=:8413" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1556945670-886094329=:8413 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Michael Bielicki wrote: > Hi there, > I=B4m trying to figure out how to get the Linux Version of th > Adabas D RDBMS running on CURRENT in Linux emulation mode but it > does not seem to understand the static ELF binaries. You need to use brandelf to tell the loader what type of binary it. You need to brand them as type "Linux", so the loader can tell they are Linux elf, not FreeBSD elf. BTW, Solid RDBMS is quite a bit faster than Abadas D, and has a native FreeBSD version. Tom --0-1556945670-886094329=:8413 Content-Type: APPLICATION/PGP-SIGNATURE Content-ID: Content-Description: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNNBlL8neSpf+YTVhAQG35AP+LUzBG1xAPgdq7ATxVjeWVNRQaACDvirG fMUUVoHMvJ+0zoAu4fiT/BDL/avxXng4f7f8stKyQ9Du8cVv4sk6F1ZFds5wwv0D K+Vl/OXgwxmrHP7micR21++17gzvA2KzBvYFf58MXcXZliGbKg4x9q2Gh7vKXqj7 B+rHKo9KrmQ= =vW/o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0-1556945670-886094329=:8413-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 09:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15723 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.hsl.com (mail.ars-online.de [195.80.205.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15698 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joltmail@joltcola.de) Received: from JENS ([195.80.205.25]) by mail.hsl.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 27-12247) with SMTP id AAA73 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:06:36 +0100 From: joltmail@joltcola.de (Jolt - Cola) To: X-Mailer: NetMailer v1.00 (http://www.alphasoftware.com/netmailer) [C.R-D9180C0BAAF8EF062] Subject: JOLT-RAUSCH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------!A5AF!194635001" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:06:36 +0100 Message-ID: <19980129180636147.AAA73@JENS> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------!A5AF!194635001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wollen Sie am JOLT-Rausch mitverdienen? 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multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Crafty (Re: http://www.descent2.com/ddn/sources/descent1/index.html ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:13:56 CST." <199801290213.UAA03855@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:02:47 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On http://www.muppetlabs.com/linux/descent/ ---- Descent/Linux Hackers Wed Jan 28 16:23:21 PST 1998 Big news! Patrick McCarthy just sent me email saying that he got Descent running under Linux. He says: There is no assembly code in it, I used all of the C code from the Mac ver. It compiles (not cleanly) and runs. No speed/optimizations whatsoever, no joystick support, slightly fubared graphics, and it randomly(?) locks the console. But it runs. I was able to get up to level 7 and die repeatedly because I suck ever so much on a keyboard. =) So, later tonight I will be adding his patch to this page and trying to get it working. Once that happens, I will start debugging it and converting things like sound and joystick support to Linux. I'll put the source up in a bit... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 10:09:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18891 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (root@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18878 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:09:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bannai@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from bannai@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) id KAA16990 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:08:36 -0800 (PST) From: Vinay Bannai Message-Id: <199801291808.KAA16990@shell6.ba.best.com> Subject: Question about ELF support? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hi folks, I am involved in a small real time micr0o-kernel developement. We use FreeBSD as the developement machine. One of our first attempts is to load and execute a "hello world" program (compiled with serial port support) on a 486 board. I am interested in learning what binary format to go with. Seems like ELF is the way to go. I would appreciate any other comments about the binary formats. Eventually this would be the bootstarp loader for our micro-kernel. I am trying to find out if there is a gcc compiler available on FreeBSD which cross-compiles for the ELF format. Any other suggestions are also welcome. Thanks Vinay -- Vinay Bannai E-mail: bannai@best.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 11:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27948 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from webserver.smginc.com (webserver.smginc.com [204.170.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27939 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:02:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com ([204.170.177.4]) by webserver.smginc.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13723) with SMTP id AAA188; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:04:28 -0500 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <34D0FC18@smginc.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 98 14:00:56 PST From: Adam Turoff To: Karl Pielorz Cc: hackers Subject: RE: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 14:03:00 PST Message-ID: <34D0FC18@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Karl writes: >Hmmm... > > I don't often throw my 2 pennies worth in, but here goes... > > The company where I'm working now have several FreeBSD machines, and 1 > competent BSD 'maintainer' (guess who?). OK. Time for a roll call. How many other people resemble this description? :-) :-) If I haven't said it before, I'd like to thank all of the hackers that came before me that worked on FreeBSD. My life would be an NT Admin Hell otherwise. >[karl's admind] > > A lot of this is based on SMTP / POP3 conversation style stuff, e.g. you might > send a command to that port to 'ADDUSER "username", "password", "group", > "homedir", "shell"' etc. - the box then goes off and does this - tells you > whether it could or couldn't etc, likewise a 'LISTSMTPVIRTUALDOMAIN' command > will return a nice list of all the SMTP Virtual domains the server supports, > which again can be read and displayed by the client... > > I know this solution isn't perfect, but it's not doing too bad so far... We > have Win 32 clients (written in VB) which connect to it at the moment, though > there's no reason why these couldn't be Java clients. > > The client is 'dumb', all it has to do is prompt for the right information - > make sure it's sensible - then submit it to the server to have it carried out. > Any errors are returned as text, or error codes - which the client can display > to the user. > > Right - that's the 'rough' outline, please flame away... Seems reasonable. I'm a bit of a protocol bigot, though. With so many standards out there, why create a new one? Hesitance towards a CGI based approach, even if it's running on an obscure SSL port is well founded. I agree that it's senseless to do something that's not open and extensible. Just because I happen to have an anti-Java bias doesn't mean that there are sufficiently many hackers out there who want to make java admin clients or whatever. CGI is just a simple matter of programming. How about using a framework that can use CGI but can also run standalone or off of an admind interface to the same scripts? It's all about sending the correct name/value pairs to the correct script and waiting for your box to automagically reconfigure itself. Sound reasonable? Lynx/Netscape/Daemonscape can use it if you're so inclined to run a httpd-type interface, and some sort of perl/tcl/python/java/vb standalone client or admind client should hit everyone's wishlist. Now it comes down to a simple matter of programming in everyone's copious free time.... -- Adam. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 11:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01574 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:20:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01567 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:20:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA14603; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:20:28 -0800 (PST) To: Adam Turoff cc: hackers Subject: Re: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:16:00 PST." <34D0D540@smginc.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:20:28 -0800 Message-ID: <14599.886101628@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > I'm doing perl based CGI to pay the bills and gradually getting up to > speed on being a reasonable FreeBSD admin for a small workgroup. > > I don't feel qualified enough to start down this path alone. There > are a lot of nontrivial security issues to deal with, and a lot of > nontrivial configuration issues to deal with, too. > > I'm in a situation where Netware Admins are rushing to get > up to speed with NT, and I'm throwing FreeBSD in their faces > at the same time. I'll spare the anti-NT discussion here; no > need preaching to the choir. Well, if you're going the web based route then you could do worse to at least look at Wouter de Boer has done with "FreEasy" - I have a copy up at time.cdrom.com:~ftp/pub/FreEasy-0.2.tar.gz which only works for older 2.1.x systems for some things (it configures /etc/sysconfig rather than /etc/rc.conf) but is still a good example of one way to do it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 11:42:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04614 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pip.cc.brandeis.edu (pip.cc.brandeis.edu [129.64.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04603 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:42:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ariem@stic.net) Received: from stic.net (port21.cs.brandeis.edu) by PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #17139) with ESMTP id <01ISYAWQL59S0059OG@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:36:04 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:32:49 -0500 From: ariem Subject: unsubscribe To: "hackers@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-id: <34D0D961.E07DC86C@stic.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19970128.080251.9254.2.merson@juno.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 11:46:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05780 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:46:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05756 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA14686; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) To: Karl Pielorz cc: Adam Turoff , hackers Subject: Re: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:38:40 GMT." <34D0B090.5061FE9C@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:46:26 -0800 Message-ID: <14682.886103186@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > On each machine we run an 'admind' process (admin. daemon). Now all our > machines are firewalled correctly, so only internal machines on our Company > LAN can connect on the AdminD port - but even so, I still intend to use > passwords / encryption etc. This approach sounds familiar. :-) It's also not one without merit, though I also wonder how you're handling the _export_ of information in this scenario. If you want to create a rich administrative interface which provides good overview information as well as letting you create new system entitites (users, filesystems, etc) then you've got to have nice flexible way of getting system information back to the "browser" which hopefully doesn't require that you modify the browser every time you add access to a new system data type. That abstraction was sort of the goal of Mike Smith's "juliette" package in TCL which gives an arbitrary browser access to the data in /etc/rc.conf, /etc/host.conf, /etc/master.passwd, etc. by exporting it into a MIB-like space and abstracting away the underlying storage details - the user neither knows nor cares which file a given system administration variable comes out of. I can't remember where he last stashed a copy of it for ftp access, but I do recall him bringing it up several times in this mailing list and it should be in the mailing list archives. Using TCL as the ascii data interchange format also means that you can use it for simple data specification, e.g.: newuser { uname "joe" fullname "Joe Blow" password "geheim" shell "/usr/local/bin/tcsh" include default-user-profile } and you get parsing for free since your "newuser" command can just register temporary commands like uname, fullname, etc. during the scope of its argument's evaluation. You also, obviously, leave the door open for passing more "intelligent" data where the handlers for the new data are passed along with the data itself. The browser can thus "learn" dynamically to deal with new data types and you don't need to hack on it every time you add a significantly new feature to your "admind". Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 12:15:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10535 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10378 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from timo@timog.prestel.co.uk) Received: from modem8.batman.pol.co.uk (timog.prestel.co.uk) [195.92.5.136] by svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xy0Mw-0002Yi-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:15:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 1154 invoked by uid 1007); 29 Jan 1998 09:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19980129091605.15034@timog.prestel.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:16:05 +0000 From: Timo Geusch To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fast IDE CDROM problems Reply-To: freebsd@timog.prestel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Folks, I just treated myself to a 24x IDE CDROM, and since then I'm encountering the following problem: - CD spins down because there are no accesses for some time (like it happens when you are selecting packages in sysinstall and try to decide what to install) - When the CDROM is accessed afterwards, it takes some time to get up to speed; sometimes it even does not start at all. After hitting a time out, FreeBSD will report "wcd0: tray open". Unfortunately this sometimes seems to cause an 'emergency' reboot (syncing the discs an immediately reboot). A bit inconvenient, that is. - Of course, the drive works with Win95 (but every piece of crap hardware does, doesn't it?) Now for the questions: - Anybody seen this behaviour before ? Is there a suggested fix for it? - Anybody knows if the ATAPI spec is available for download somewhere so I can go out and fix it myself? The problem occurs on 2.2.5-RELEASE and on -current as of 18-1-98. Any help appreciated, Timo PS: Please cc: any reply to me, as I only subscribe to the heckers-digest. Thanks. -- Timo Geusch UNIX/NT System programmer & JAVA wizzard-in-training 'I ask for so little ... and boy, do I get it' Dilbert From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 12:41:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14891 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:41:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14773 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:40:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06998; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:39:19 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D0E8F9.CCE51F59@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:39:21 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) References: <14682.886103186@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" That was one of my thoughts, about having the client so dumb, it almost gets told everything to do (This is getting to sound like Web based again isn't it?) Right - A lot of people have ideas, some free time (hmmm... ;-) - and suggestions etc. - I'm pretty new around here, so erm, what do we do next? - some sort of show of hands, who's prepaired to work on it? - then we can hive off to some other list or something and get cracking on more brainstorming, planning, more planning, even more planning - then implmenting... Just to add fuel to the fire - I like my 'admind' idea (then again I would) - I did like the idea of a Win32 (i.e. 95 / NT ) front end, but I'm starting to go off it a bit in favour of 'Java' (OK, I know, don't hit me too hard) - as it will look 'similar', but be runnable on Unix itself (which is probably a big plus ;-) and hopefully someday we'll have a nice FreeBSD setup that boots off a CD straight into a VGA x-server with Netscape running, and off you go (I wouldn't like to see the text install disapear however)... Of course admind could just end up being a rather glorified rexec with better security, and the ability to inform the client about how to gather and present information, as well as execute the commands? So, what next? Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > On each machine we run an 'admind' process (admin. daemon). Now all our > > machines are firewalled correctly, so only internal machines on our Company > > LAN can connect on the AdminD port - but even so, I still intend to use > > passwords / encryption etc. > > This approach sounds familiar. :-) > > It's also not one without merit, though I also wonder how you're > handling the _export_ of information in this scenario. If you want to > create a rich administrative interface which provides good overview > information as well as letting you create new system entitites (users, > filesystems, etc) then you've got to have nice flexible way of getting > system information back to the "browser" which hopefully doesn't > require that you modify the browser every time you add access to a new > system data type. > > That abstraction was sort of the goal of Mike Smith's "juliette" > package in TCL which gives an arbitrary browser access to the data in > /etc/rc.conf, /etc/host.conf, /etc/master.passwd, etc. by exporting it > into a MIB-like space and abstracting away the underlying storage > details - the user neither knows nor cares which file a given system > administration variable comes out of. I can't remember where he last > stashed a copy of it for ftp access, but I do recall him bringing it > up several times in this mailing list and it should be in the mailing > list archives. > > Using TCL as the ascii data interchange format also means that you can > use it for simple data specification, e.g.: > > newuser { > uname "joe" > fullname "Joe Blow" > password "geheim" > shell "/usr/local/bin/tcsh" > include default-user-profile > } > > and you get parsing for free since your "newuser" command can just > register temporary commands like uname, fullname, etc. during the > scope of its argument's evaluation. You also, obviously, leave the > door open for passing more "intelligent" data where the handlers for > the new data are passed along with the data itself. The browser can > thus "learn" dynamically to deal with new data types and you don't > need to hack on it every time you add a significantly new feature to > your "admind". > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 12:51:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17592 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:51:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us [207.33.75.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17582 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:51:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us) Received: from localhost (abelits@localhost) by phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA32497; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:04:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:04:43 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Belits To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Karl Pielorz , Adam Turoff , hackers Subject: Re: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) In-Reply-To: <14682.886103186@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > On each machine we run an 'admind' process (admin. daemon). Now all our > > machines are firewalled correctly, so only internal machines on our Company > > LAN can connect on the AdminD port - but even so, I still intend to use > > passwords / encryption etc. HTTP over ssh tcp forwarding does that easily, and provides nice "fallback" to plaintext passwords for configuration without ssh. > > This approach sounds familiar. :-) > > It's also not one without merit, though I also wonder how you're > handling the _export_ of information in this scenario. If you want to > create a rich administrative interface which provides good overview > information as well as letting you create new system entitites (users, > filesystems, etc) then you've got to have nice flexible way of getting > system information back to the "browser" which hopefully doesn't > require that you modify the browser every time you add access to a new > system data type. > > That abstraction was sort of the goal of Mike Smith's "juliette" > package in TCL which gives an arbitrary browser access to the data in > /etc/rc.conf, /etc/host.conf, /etc/master.passwd, etc. by exporting it > into a MIB-like space and abstracting away the underlying storage > details - the user neither knows nor cares which file a given system > administration variable comes out of. I can't remember where he last > stashed a copy of it for ftp access, but I do recall him bringing it > up several times in this mailing list and it should be in the mailing > list archives. > > Using TCL as the ascii data interchange format also means that you can > use it for simple data specification, e.g.: > > newuser { > uname "joe" > fullname "Joe Blow" > password "geheim" > shell "/usr/local/bin/tcsh" > include default-user-profile > } > > and you get parsing for free since your "newuser" command can just > register temporary commands like uname, fullname, etc. during the > scope of its argument's evaluation. You also, obviously, leave the > door open for passing more "intelligent" data where the handlers for > the new data are passed along with the data itself. The browser can > thus "learn" dynamically to deal with new data types and you don't > need to hack on it every time you add a significantly new feature to > your "admind". IMHO HTML forms already provide necessary frontend for it. POST /admin-html?newuser and encoded form-submit containing "uname=joe" "fullname=Joe Blow" "password=geheim" "shell=/usr/local/bin/tcsh" "include=default-user-profile (separator characters and escape-encoding omitted for clarity). BTW, the HTTP server, I wrote (http://phobos.illtel.denver.co.us/pub/fhttpd/), allows running separate process as the handler for all requests to some set of URLs (with or without allowing to have simultaneously running copies of such process, so locks can be easily avoided, and session state can be preserved in the running process). I believe that reinventing the wheel and creating yet another protocol to send hierarchically organized key-value pairs data to some running program that edits files and runs scripts based on that data, will be rather pointless now when HTTP exists, and if one wants to write better-looking user interface for it at the client side, he can use java, tcl or whatever else, but keep HTTP as the protocol. I have implemented the "administration interface" for two cameras attached to my home box (http://phobos.illtel.denver.co.us/qcam-config) and "administration" for X-10 appliances that I use in my apartment. Both things require that a single process handles all operations on device, is constantly running, receives various messages from device or its driver and keeps its state -- soimething that can't be done with CGI alone, and making CGI interface to some constantly-running server IMHO defeats the idea of clean, secure and fast protocol. There shouldn't be a big problem writing SMIT-like interface for system configuration and packages installation based on the same model, however properly designed system should have means of configuration replication (program creates the form that when submitted to the same kind of server on another box copies chosen parts of configuration), processes and logs monitoring, etc. -- Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 12:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18850 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:57:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18823 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:56:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15065; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:56:53 -0800 (PST) To: Karl Pielorz cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:39:21 GMT." <34D0E8F9.CCE51F59@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:56:53 -0800 Message-ID: <15062.886107413@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Just to add fuel to the fire - I like my 'admind' idea (then again I would) - > I did like the idea of a Win32 (i.e. 95 / NT ) front end, but I'm starting to > go off it a bit in favour of 'Java' (OK, I know, don't hit me too hard) - as > it will look 'similar', but be runnable on Unix itself (which is probably a > big plus ;-) and hopefully someday we'll have a nice FreeBSD setup that boots > off a CD straight into a VGA x-server with Netscape running, and off you go ( And how do you intend to dynamically extend the client in this scenario? The server will upload java code on demand, or what exactly? That sort of thing sure is a lot easier with TCL. ;) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 13:06:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20827 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20689 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id WAA00472 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:05:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id VAA17131; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:43:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980129214358.48468@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:43:58 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about ELF support? Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199801291808.KAA16990@shell6.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199801291808.KAA16990@shell6.ba.best.com>; from Vinay Bannai on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 10:08:36AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4019 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" According to Vinay Bannai: > I am trying to find out if there is a gcc compiler available on FreeBSD > which cross-compiles for the ELF format. Any other suggestions are also > welcome. The stock gcc in /usr/src can be recompiled to emit ELF asm files although you need the latest binutils 2.8.1 as well. You'll need the ELFKit from ftp.polstra.com. Read the archive for freebsd-hackers & freebsd-current as well, we just had several discussions about that :-) The best way is to use the ELFkit and egcs/pgcc as cross compiler. Works wonders here: /opt/elf: drwxr-xr-x 2 roberto staff 1024 Jan 27 00:14 bin/ drwxr-xr-x 5 roberto staff 512 Dec 25 00:05 i386-unknown-freebsdelf/ drwxr-xr-x 3 roberto staff 512 Dec 28 20:14 include/ drwxr-xr-x 2 roberto staff 2048 Jan 27 00:14 info/ drwxr-xr-x 3 roberto staff 2560 Jan 27 00:14 lib/ drwxr-xr-x 2 roberto staff 512 Dec 24 22:05 libexec/ drwxr-xr-x 3 roberto staff 512 Dec 25 00:01 man/ elf-cc -v Reading specs from /opt/elf/lib/gcc-lib/i386-unknown-freebsdelf/pgcc-2.91.05/specs gcc version pgcc-2.91.05 980122 (gcc-2.8.0 release) You can follow most of the instructions in ELFkit's README file although the part about patching is obsolete. egcs/pgcc: & -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #54: Mon Jan 26 20:29:17 CET 1998 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 13:06:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21182 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21026 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA07178; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:05:08 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D0EF06.E6263466@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:05:10 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) References: <15062.886107413@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" TCl vs. Java, any others for the melting pot? As far as extending any 'Java' client, all you need (and I think someones allready mentioned this) is a system similar to SNMP MIB's, i.e. directions to the client where to put check boxes, text fields, what they should contain (labels), how to verify them (field masks etc.) - I'll freely admit it's a thin line between Java, TCL, cgi & someones bound to mention Active-X Kp Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Just to add fuel to the fire - I like my 'admind' idea (then again I would) - > > I did like the idea of a Win32 (i.e. 95 / NT ) front end, but I'm starting to > > go off it a bit in favour of 'Java' (OK, I know, don't hit me too hard) - as > > it will look 'similar', but be runnable on Unix itself (which is probably a > > big plus ;-) and hopefully someday we'll have a nice FreeBSD setup that boots > > off a CD straight into a VGA x-server with Netscape running, and off you go ( > > And how do you intend to dynamically extend the client in this > scenario? The server will upload java code on demand, or what > exactly? That sort of thing sure is a lot easier with TCL. ;) > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 14:10:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01770 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet11.ozemail.com.au (oznet11.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01693 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:09:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet11.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05973; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:09:44 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801292209.JAA05973@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: , "Capriotti" Cc: Subject: Re: WebAdmin Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:54:56 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > From: Capriotti > To: hackers@freebsd.org > Cc: capriotti0@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: WebAdmin > Date: Friday, 30 January 1998 4:14 > > Abouit suggestion on that "What I would like to see in a weAdimn tool", I > found a couple of good points here: [snip] > Now one question : if this could turn into a general admin tool, why not > use Java (no flames, I beg !). None from me today :-). I think it'd be a good idea. One downfall with this is the current version of the JDK (not the beta 1.2, but 1.1.5, I think) will only allow connections from the client back to the server running the httpd, using applets (unless you digitally sign the little beasties). My original thoughts were not about post-install configs but this latest stream seems the way to go (too many variables to be assumed to design a Java/HTML/GUI installation cousin to sysinstall). As far as security goes, this admind would have to have superuser permissions, would it not? > If the tools is general/customizable enough, > and can be used by other Unix systems, Java could be a way of spreading > this code and the the Free idea. I agree. I think Java and FreeBSD could become (are becoming, have become...) a very powerful combination. If you want a collaborator feel free to mail me... Joe. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 14:11:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02556 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inertia.dfacades.com (inertia.dfacades.com [207.155.93.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02499; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hostmaster@dfacades.com) Received: (from hostmaster@localhost) by inertia.dfacades.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10438; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: Digital Facades Hostmaster Message-Id: <199801292214.OAA10438@inertia.dfacades.com> Subject: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE when? To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:14:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" when will 3.0-RELEASE be out? what new features are in it? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 14:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04185 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:17:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04170 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:17:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03643; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:16:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801292216.OAA03643@rah.star-gate.com> To: Ollivier Robert cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: Question about ELF support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:43:58 +0100." <19980129214358.48468@keltia.freenix.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3640.886112188.1@rah> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:16:28 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" So where is the package or elf-kit port ? 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 14:57:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10251 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy-bsb.gns.com.br (DDaSpNDqeFur4qG5ylTEVg6WxGPoV79+@srv1-bsb.GNS.com.br [200.239.56.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10154 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:56:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@gns.com.br) Received: (qmail 16624 invoked by uid 1147); 29 Jan 1998 22:51:53 -0000 Received: from srv1-bsb.gns.com.br (200.239.56.1) by proxy-bsb.gns.com.br with SMTP; 29 Jan 1998 22:51:53 -0000 Received: (from mail@localhost) by srv1-bsb.gns.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16620; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:51:53 -0200 (EDT) Received: from dl0235-bsb.gns.com.br(200.239.56.235) by srv1-bsb.gns.com.br via smap (V2.0) id xma016614; Thu, 29 Jan 98 20:51:46 -0200 Received: (from dcs@localhost) by daniel.sobral (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA01019; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:56:38 -0200 (EDT) From: "Daniel C. Sobral" Message-Id: <199801292256.UAA01019@daniel.sobral> Subject: TRUSS To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:56:37 -0200 (EDT) Disclaimer: Klaatu Barada Nikto! X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I was playing with truss today, and used it against the program that tests my device driver. Surprisingly, it didn't work. Is it possible that truss interferes with the normal operation of the driver, or should I assume there is, indeed, a bug that does not appear under any other conditions (so far tested)? BTW, I noticed truss gives me hex numbers for all read() parameters, but decimal numbers for the first and the third parameters of write(). -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@gns.com.br He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others. -- Samuel Johnson From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 15:05:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11883 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:05:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11850 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:05:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12964; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA12754; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199801292304.QAA12754@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Karl Pielorz , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) In-Reply-To: <15062.886107413@time.cdrom.com> References: <34D0E8F9.CCE51F59@tdx.co.uk> <15062.886107413@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > Just to add fuel to the fire - I like my 'admind' idea (then again I would) - > > I did like the idea of a Win32 (i.e. 95 / NT ) front end, but I'm starting to > > go off it a bit in favour of 'Java' (OK, I know, don't hit me too hard) - as > > it will look 'similar', but be runnable on Unix itself (which is probably a > > big plus ;-) and hopefully someday we'll have a nice FreeBSD setup that boots > > off a CD straight into a VGA x-server with Netscape running, and off you go ( > > And how do you intend to dynamically extend the client in this > scenario? The server will upload java code on demand, or what > exactly? Java does dynamic extension loading on the fly quite well, even better than TCL since you can extend the loader to do it however you want. Our product uses that feature extensively. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 15:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13365 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13273 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07218; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:13:30 GMT Message-Id: <199801291913.TAA07218@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Joe Shevland" , , "Capriotti" Cc: Subject: Re: WebAdmin Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:07:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > None from me today :-). I think it'd be a good idea. One downfall with this > is the current version of the JDK (not the beta 1.2, but 1.1.5, I think) > will only allow connections from the client back to the server running the > httpd, using applets (unless you digitally sign the little beasties). > My original thoughts were not about post-install configs but this latest > stream seems the way to go (too many variables to be assumed to design a > Java/HTML/GUI installation cousin to sysinstall). > As far as security goes, this admind would have to have superuser > permissions, would it not? i find the java permission stuff very irritating, it is very good, however browsers should run the applet, but stop it and allow the user to decide if he/she wants it to be able to make such connections this time, in the future, or always... this also applies for other stuff, it would be cool to have an applet be able to access the system files, but the user could have the browser stop and check each file access... (maybe with the netscape source comming out this could be implemented...) -Alfred > > > If the tools is general/customizable enough, > > and can be used by other Unix systems, Java could be a way of spreading > > this code and the the Free idea. > > I agree. I think Java and FreeBSD could become (are becoming, have > become...) a very powerful combination. If you want a collaborator feel > free to mail me... > > Joe. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 15:12:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13625 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13546 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA11062; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:09 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199801292312.PAA11062@kithrup.com> To: dcs@gns.com.br Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TRUSS In-Reply-To: <199801292256.UAA01019.kithrup.freebsd.hackers@daniel.sobral> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In article <199801292256.UAA01019.kithrup.freebsd.hackers@daniel.sobral> you write: >I was playing with truss today, and used it against the program that >tests my device driver. Surprisingly, it didn't work. Is it possible >that truss interferes with the normal operation of the driver, or >should I assume there is, indeed, a bug that does not appear under >any other conditions (so far tested)? truss *may* cause problems, timing wise -- the target process is stopped until it is restarted, and that may be a problem in your case. Without more information, I can't quite say, I'm afraid. But, by itself... no, I can't see truss causing any real problem. It causes the process being traced to stop on system call entry, and system call exit. What do you mean by, "it didn't work"? (That is, how didn't it work?) >BTW, I noticed truss gives me hex numbers for all read() parameters, >but decimal numbers for the first and the third parameters of >write(). Mainly because I haven't done anything about read(). If you take a look at /usr/src/usr.bin/truss/syscalls.c (I think it is), there's an entry in the array for write(), but not read(). By default, truss will print out arguments in hex, if it doesn't know any better -- and it can't know any better unless someone tells it ;). It's easy enough to change; read() would look something like: { "read", 1, 3, { { Int, 0}, { Ptr|OUT, 1}, { Int, 2}}}, (which breaks down to: syscall "read", returns a single value, takes three arguments; they are an int at offset 0, a ptr that is modified by the syscall at offset 1, and an int at offset 2. "Int" is printed out in decimal, and Ptr's are printed out as hex). From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 15:22:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16168 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:22:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hammer.ipaper.com (hammer.ipaper.com [206.98.137.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16138 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capriotti@geocities.com) Received: from hot_nt (node69.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.69]) by hammer.ipaper.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00819 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:55:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980129205927.0095e620@pop.mpc.com.br> X-Sender: capriotti@pop.mpc.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:59:43 -0300 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Capriotti Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" At 09:05 PM 1/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >TCl vs. Java, any others for the melting pot? > >As far as extending any 'Java' client, all you need (and I think someones >allready mentioned this) is a system similar to SNMP MIB's, i.e. directions to >the client where to put check boxes, text fields, what they should contain >(labels), how to verify them (field masks etc.) - I'll freely admit it's a >thin line between Java, TCL, cgi & someones bound to mention Active-X Again, if this thin line will cause any probl;em, let's just think about "globalization". Building an universal-like client (i.e. Java) Will allow Free to have a plus in its favor, just like Novell did with NT. Novell has released administrative tools for NetWare to run under Windows NT, in a way of saying "OK, dolks, if you can't choose the workstation that you will run on your company, at least be able to manage our operating system from them. Keep the piece of junk on your desk, but at least be able to manage our operating system". That's what happens in several companies: The administrator will choose the Notwork Os, but will have no power of decision over the workstation OS. If one can mannage FBSD from the MS piece of junk, wouldn't it be even more attractive ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 15:44:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18279 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:44:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from webserver.smginc.com (webserver.smginc.com [204.170.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18236 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:44:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com ([204.170.177.4]) by webserver.smginc.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13723) with SMTP id AAA277; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:46:38 -0500 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <34D13E38@smginc.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 98 18:43:04 PST From: Adam Turoff To: hackers , "'nate@mt.sri.com'" Subject: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 18:43:00 PST Message-ID: <34D13E38@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > And how do you intend to dynamically extend the client in this > > scenario? The server will upload java code on demand, or what > > exactly? > > Java does dynamic extension loading on the fly quite well, even better > than TCL since you can extend the loader to do it however you want. Our > product uses that feature extensively. :) Yeah, extensibility through dynamic loading is nice, but I for one don't want to make sure I have the right version of lesstif properly linked to the proper JVM just to make my life simpler. I'm running a headless box in another room, and I don't want to install X on it, and I don't think that should prevent me from doing local admin. Or is there a plan to have java.curses.* in the next JDK? :-) Yeah, Java is cool, and it'll wash the dishes in a year or two. But can we _please_ move past the "it'll be better in Java" evangelism? Let's just agree that if someone wants to write a COBOL client running under MVS to admin a FreeBSD box that they should be able to do that, and the extensibility problem on them to deal with. Here's what I've heard/suggested: local admin, X or curses based web admin available but easily disabled admind type access available and easily configured java/tcl/perl/VB/* clients should be supported locally and remotely Jordan has mentioned a couple of projects that have started and stopped. Does anyone know of any others out there? Does anyone know of a potential gotcha waiting to be found by a newbie admin? I'm assuming the basline OS will be FreeBSD 2.2.5. Are there any subtle changes in the works for the config files in 3.0-current? (Ports to *BSD/Linux are someone else's problem.) -- Adam. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 15:47:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18527 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18479 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:47:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16338; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:47:09 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199801292347.VAA16338@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Joliet+RockRidge in one CD ? In-Reply-To: <19980126123856.15314@saidev.com> from Derek Inksetter at "Jan 26, 98 12:38:56 pm" To: derek@saidev.com (Derek Inksetter) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:47:09 -0200 (EDT) Cc: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" #define quoting(Derek Inksetter) // Joao Carlos Mendes Luis allegedly wrote: // > // > I think there are Joliet patches around for mkisofs, i'm not sure // > // > whether they have already been integrated into the latest official // > // > version, however. // > // > Where could I get these patches ? // // http://www.ps.ucl.ac.uk/~jcpearso/mkhybrid.html It works !!! Thanks a lot... The only small problem I've seen until now is the DOS names for those files who have the first 8+3 chars equal. The method used to make then distinct is not very plain in DOS. But, if you have long names, why would you care for DOS ? :) Thanks again, Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:02:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22163 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:02:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22127; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:02:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA11651; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:32:04 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300002.KAA11651@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Descent Sources Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:32:03 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hi, It appears someone has managed to compile Descent under Linux using the Mac C source in place of the assembly :) Check out 'http://www.muppetlabs.com/linux/descent/' for the patches. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:04:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22601 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22567 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.44]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA188 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:02:09 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA01073; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:03:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:03:35 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" (Sorry if this is considered by some to be more appropriate to the questions list than hackers, but I need a _knowledgeable_ answer to this quickly, since I need to be able to respond to this lady by tomorrow...) I am interested in adding support for STAC compression to ppp and pppd. In that interest, I sent the following email to Robert Friend (the co-author of RFC1974): -------------------------------------------------------------- Sir: In RFC1974 you wrote: > Source and object licenses are available on a non-discriminatory > basis. Hardware implementations are also available. Contact Stac > Electronics at the address and phone number listed with the author's > address for further information. I have a strong interest in adding STAC compression capabilities to the 'ppp' and 'pppd' programs distributed with FreeBSD, the free UNIX-derivative OS that you may be familiar with. In that interest, I would be very grateful for any information or pointers to information that you could provide me with regarding the source and object licenses you mention in the above-quoted passage, and particularly, whether or not these licenses might be compatible with the well-known BSD license. I would also be very grateful for pointers to any information that might be useful or informative in my implementation efforts, should licensing prove not to be an obstacle. Thank you in advance. Donald J. Maddox --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Friend responded that he would be happy to help with implementation issues, but licensing issues were in the domain of sales, and provided me with the contact information for one Cheryl Poland, who he felt would be able to address my licensing questions. Today, I received an email from Ms. Poland... She says that she is unfamiliar with the BSD license, and wants me to elaborate. Unfortunately, I now realize that I cannot, since I don't have a clear understanding of exactly what the BSD license _is_. Does that well-known copyright attached to the top of all our source files represent "the BSD license" in it's entirety? I would *greatly* appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable in these issues than I could provide me with some insight, or even better, volunteer as a point of contact for Ms. Poland :-) Thank you in advance for any help... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22746 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22656 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04028; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801300004.QAA04028@rah.star-gate.com> To: Capriotti cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:59:43 -0300." <3.0.32.19980129205927.0095e620@pop.mpc.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4025.886118659.1@rah> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:19 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I would go with Java mostly because of its application support frameworks available on win95 and hopefully we may be able to convince a company or two to make available their framework from the Dark Side to the Light Side (FreeBSD) 8) You can argue about java vs tcl vs whatever however the bottom line is the application framework . There are other parameters like performance ease of maintainability , etc... Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:04:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22760 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from webserver.smginc.com (webserver.smginc.com [204.170.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22320 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:03:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com ([204.170.177.4]) by webserver.smginc.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13723) with SMTP id AAA275; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:01:41 -0500 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <34D141BF@smginc.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 98 18:58:07 PST From: Adam Turoff To: hackers Cc: "'capriotti@geocities.com'" Subject: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 19:00:00 PST Message-ID: <34D141BF@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > >TCl vs. Java, any others for the melting pot? > > > >As far as extending any 'Java' client, all you need (and I think someones > >allready mentioned this) is a system similar to SNMP MIB's, i.e. > directions to > >the client where to put check boxes, text fields, what they should contain > >(labels), how to verify them (field masks etc.) - I'll freely admit it's a > >thin line between Java, TCL, cgi & someones bound to mention Active-X > > Again, if this thin line will cause any probl;em, let's just think about > "globalization". > > Building an universal-like client (i.e. Java) Will allow Free to have a > plus in its favor, just like Novell did with NT. Novell has released > administrative tools for NetWare to run under Windows NT, in a way of > saying "OK, dolks, if you can't choose the workstation that you will run on > your company, at least be able to manage our operating system from them. > Keep the piece of junk on your desk, but at least be able to manage our > operating system". Hey, I resemble that remark! :-) The universal client is a rather nice idea. Multiple clients are a nice idea, too. Not everyone has the same needs. If I only want to add users remotely, why add on all of the complexity of managing cron or rc.conf remotely? Multiple server-side modules is also worth considering. I may want to enable multiple "admins" to play with a samba config on my site, but you may not since your box isn't behind a firewall and enabling a security hole to be exploited through another one usually isn't a good idea. Of course, why enable samba configuration if you don't have samba installed in the first place? Feel free to s/samba/(Apache|NFS|bind|cron)/g -- Adam. PS: is anyone else seeing a need to have different permissions on different remote config operations? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:11:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24500 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24458 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:11:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13395; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA13016; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:11:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:11:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199801300011.RAA13016@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Adam Turoff Cc: hackers , "'nate@mt.sri.com'" Subject: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) In-Reply-To: <34D13E38@smginc.com> References: <34D13E38@smginc.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > Java does dynamic extension loading on the fly quite well, even better > > than TCL since you can extend the loader to do it however you want. > Our > > product uses that feature extensively. :) > > Yeah, extensibility through dynamic loading is nice, but I for one don't > want > to make sure I have the right version of lesstif properly linked to the > proper > JVM just to make my life simpler. Then download the newer version of the JDK I've posted about about a dozen times this week that has Motif statically compiled in. :) ftp://hub.freebsd.org/pub/incoming/java/jdk1.1.5.tar.gz. > I'm running a headless box in another room, and I don't want to install X > on it, and I don't think that should prevent me from doing local admin. Ahh, you want a version of java that doesn't require X libs. That's a bit harder to do, but not impossible. Steve Byrne's Linux port does that, and if someone has some time to do that I'm not averse to seeing it done. But, I've got other things to do in the next few weeks, like brush up on my Japanese for my trip. :) > Yeah, Java is cool, and it'll wash the dishes in a year or two. But > can we _please_ move past the "it'll be better in Java" evangelism? That wasn't my intent, and sorry if it came across that way. I was responding to Jordan comment that implied that TCL was the only language where you could do 'dynamic loading', which is simply untrue. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:29:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26239 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:29:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26228 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:28:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24753; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:58:47 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA04400; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:58:47 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:58:47 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net>; from Donald J. Maddox on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:03:35PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: > Does that well-known copyright attached > to the top of all our source files represent "the BSD license" in it's > entirety? Yes. Basically it says: 1. You can use this software however you choose. 2. Don't blame us if it breaks. 3. Don't use our name to advertise it [I consider this a difficult one; it conflicts with the next]. 4. Do acknowledge the use of the code. > I would *greatly* appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable > in these issues than I could provide me with some insight, or even better, > volunteer as a point of contact for Ms. Poland :-) I don't think I'm any better than the others, and it would clearly be useful if somebody at Berkeley volunteered, but if nobody else does, she's welcome to contact me. -- Greg Lehey LEMIS grog@lemis.com PO Box 460 Tel: +61-8-8388-8286 Echunga SA 5153 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Australia From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:34:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26944 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:34:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@haiti-108.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26844 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:34:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01602; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:34:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:34:46 -0800 (PST) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Michael Bielicki cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: groff broken ?? In-Reply-To: <19980129121807.19326@vds.linkdesign.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Michael Bielicki wrote: > Hmmm I have the same problem on CURRENT and on STABLE that anytime there > is a invoking of refer in the Makefile I get the following error: > > Failed assertion at line 161, file > `/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/refer/../../../../contrib/groff/refer/token.cc'. > Abort trap > > Is this normal ? Try using -O2 or less optimization (-m486,pentium,whatever works however). I've found that groff doesn't take too well to being optimized. Linux: The Microsoft Windows(tm) of the Unix(tm) world. - alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28565 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:43:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28545 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:43:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.44]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA184; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:41:03 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA01227; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:42:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:42:29 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Greg Lehey , hackers@freebsd.org References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 10:58:47AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 10:58:47AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: > > Does that well-known copyright attached > > to the top of all our source files represent "the BSD license" in it's > > entirety? > > Yes. Basically it says: > > 1. You can use this software however you choose. > 2. Don't blame us if it breaks. > 3. Don't use our name to advertise it [I consider this a difficult > one; it conflicts with the next]. > 4. Do acknowledge the use of the code. Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the above... Is that right? > > > I would *greatly* appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable > > in these issues than I could provide me with some insight, or even better, > > volunteer as a point of contact for Ms. Poland :-) > > I don't think I'm any better than the others, and it would clearly be > useful if somebody at Berkeley volunteered, but if nobody else does, > she's welcome to contact me. Thanks for volunteering... I will provide you with contact information for Ms. Poland in private email, and I will advise her that you are available for informative discourse :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:48:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29691 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:48:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29657 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24783; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:18:04 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA04536; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:18:04 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980130111804.13786@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:18:04 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net>; from Donald J. Maddox on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:42:29PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:42:29PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 10:58:47AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: >>> Does that well-known copyright attached >>> to the top of all our source files represent "the BSD license" in it's >>> entirety? >> >> Yes. Basically it says: >> >> 1. You can use this software however you choose. >> 2. Don't blame us if it breaks. >> 3. Don't use our name to advertise it [I consider this a difficult >> one; it conflicts with the next]. >> 4. Do acknowledge the use of the code. > > Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to > what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to > include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing > to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the > above... Is that right? If they want to distribute it under a Berkeley license, yes. Unlike the GPL, there's no obligation to distribute *everything* in a product under this license, however. In the terminology of the GPL opponents, the Berkeley license doens't infect software it touches. >>> I would *greatly* appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable >>> in these issues than I could provide me with some insight, or even better, >>> volunteer as a point of contact for Ms. Poland :-) >> >> I don't think I'm any better than the others, and it would clearly be >> useful if somebody at Berkeley volunteered, but if nobody else does, >> she's welcome to contact me. > > Thanks for volunteering... I will provide you with contact information for > Ms. Poland in private email, and I will advise her that you are available > for informative discourse :-) Note the disclaimer. I'm sure that there are better people than I to speak to her. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:49:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29972 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:49:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29944 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA02939; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:49:46 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Sean Eric Fagan cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TRUSS In-Reply-To: <199801292312.PAA11062@kithrup.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > truss *may* cause problems, timing wise -- the target process is stopped until > it is restarted, and that may be a problem in your case. When was truss added to the system? The newest system I have is 2.2.2-R and it's not there. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:56:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01637 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:56:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01584 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:56:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ACHOWDHU.IN.ORACLE.COM.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from insun023 (insun023.in.oracle.com [152.69.168.23]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22032 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by insun023 (SMI-8.6/37.8) id TAA12696; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:49:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199801300049.TAA12696@insun023> Date: 30 Jan 98 05:04:24 +0530 From: "Atish" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Auto-reply: Re: TRUSS Reply-to: ACHOWDHU.IN.ORACLE.COM.ofcmail@in.oracle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.1.3.40) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2307531_0_0" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --=_ORCL_2307531_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I am on leave till mid Feb'98. Will try to get back to you as soon as possible. -regards Atish #..........................................................................#= >From : Atish Datta Chowdhury Oracle Software Development Centre India Development Centre 150 Embassy Point Bangalore 560001 Telephone: (088) 2256099 Extn:496/atish e-mail: achowdhu@in.oracle.com #..........................................................................#= --=_ORCL_2307531_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 30 Jan 98 04:42:09 From:Sean Eric Fagan To:dcs@gns.com.br Subject:Re: TRUSS Cc:hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to:INUNIX2.IN.ORACLE.COM:hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received:from inet16.us.oracle.com by insun023 with ESMTP (SMI-8.6/37.8) id SAA12356; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:06:40 -0500 Received:from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06013; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received:from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id RAA04835; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:13:32 -0600 (CST) Received:from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13978; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received:by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:51 -0800 Received:(from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13625 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received:from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13546 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received:(from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA11062; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Message-Id:<199801292312.PAA11062@kithrup.com> In-Reply-To:<199801292256.UAA01019.kithrup.freebsd.hackers@daniel.sobral> Organization:Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop:FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe:mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In article <199801292256.UAA01019.kithrup.freebsd.hackers@daniel.sobral> you write: >I was playing with truss today, and used it against the program that >tests my device driver. Surprisingly, it didn't work. Is it possible >that truss interferes with the normal operation of the driver, or >should I assume there is, indeed, a bug that does not appear under >any other conditions (so far tested)? truss *may* cause problems, timing wise -- the target process is stopped until it is restarted, and that may be a problem in your case. Without more information, I can't quite say, I'm afraid. But, by itself... no, I can't see truss causing any real problem. It causes the process being traced to stop on system call entry, and system call exit. What do you mean by, "it didn't work"? (That is, how didn't it work?) >BTW, I noticed truss gives me hex numbers for all read() parameters, >but decimal numbers for the first and the third parameters of >write(). Mainly because I haven't done anything about read(). If you take a look at /usr/src/usr.bin/truss/syscalls.c (I think it is), there's an entry in the array for write(), but not read(). By default, truss will print out arguments in hex, if it doesn't know any better -- and it can't know any better unless someone tells it ;). It's easy enough to change; read() would look something like: { "read", 1, 3, { { Int, 0}, { Ptr|OUT, 1}, { Int, 2}}}, (which breaks down to: syscall "read", returns a single value, takes three arguments; they are an int at offset 0, a ptr that is modified by the syscall at offset 1, and an int at offset 2. "Int" is printed out in decimal, and Ptr's are printed out as hex). --=_ORCL_2307531_0_0-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 16:58:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02077 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01683 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:57:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.44]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA213; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:54:58 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA01317; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:56:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980129195623.55979@scsn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:56:23 -0500 From: Charlie Root To: Greg Lehey , dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Greg Lehey , dmaddox@scsn.net, hackers@freebsd.org References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> <19980130111804.13786@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980130111804.13786@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:18:04AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:18:04AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:42:29PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to > > what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to > > include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing > > to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the > > above... Is that right? > > If they want to distribute it under a Berkeley license, yes. Unlike > the GPL, there's no obligation to distribute *everything* in a product > under this license, however. In the terminology of the GPL opponents, > the Berkeley license doens't infect software it touches. Ok, now you've confused me :-/ Exactly what restrictions are acceptable on code distributed with the base system, like ppp? What are some examples of what _is not_ acceptable? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:08:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03563 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:08:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03500 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24833; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:37:52 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA04709; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:37:51 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980130113751.52742@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:37:51 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> <19980130111804.13786@lemis.com> <19980129195623.55979@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980129195623.55979@scsn.net>; from Charlie Root on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:56:23PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:56:23PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox, masquerading as Charlie Root, wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:18:04AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:42:29PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to >>> what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to >>> include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing >>> to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the >>> above... Is that right? >> >> If they want to distribute it under a Berkeley license, yes. Unlike >> the GPL, there's no obligation to distribute *everything* in a product >> under this license, however. In the terminology of the GPL opponents, >> the Berkeley license doens't infect software it touches. > > Ok, now you've confused me :-/ Exactly what restrictions are acceptable > on code distributed with the base system, like ppp? What are some examples > of what _is not_ acceptable? Hmm. As I said, I *certainly* don't speak for the FreeBSD project. What I understand is: 1. Most of the stuff in /usr/src is covered by a Berkeley license. 2. Stuff in /usr/src/gnu is covered by GPL. PPP is mainly covered by a Berkeley-style license (i.e. the conditions are the same, but it doesn't (always) mention Berkeley). Some of the modules are in the Public Domain. You can take the code and make your own product out of it if you want, and you are under no obligation to put it under the Berkeley license. On the other hand, it wouldn't be acceptable to pretend you wrote it all yourself, nor to hide the fact that the software was derived from Berkeley-licensed software, nor to distribute it without saying so. Particularly this last proviso is a problem. When did you last see System V.4 software which prominently stated "Derived from software written by the University of California, Berkeley, and its contributors"? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04292 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04283 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA17378; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Capriotti , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:19 PST." <199801300004.QAA04028@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:45 -0800 Message-ID: <17374.886122765@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" And where's Java's curses based interface so that all those folks installing FreeBSD from serial consoles can still do so? And please don't tell me that: A) There aren't enough of those people to matter, because there are - most ISPs who really know what they're doing have rack- mounted their PCs long ago and do not have VGA monitors or mice attached at all. Once the machine is *installed*, sure, you can bring up a purely remote interface. It's getting it to that point which concerns me, especially given a wide selection of possible media (things like ppp installs require a fair bit of dialog with the user and you'd ideally like to share those dialog boxes with the overall networking setup interface). B) That we should do two interfaces, one for each group, because that requires too much duplication of effort. We can't even get people to write *one* admin interface much less two of them, and if you don't make the CUI folks a priority from the very beginning then they're going to get dropped out of convenience because that's just too easy a thing to do. That would be bad. > I would go with Java mostly because of its application support frameworks > available on win95 and hopefully we may be able to convince a company or > two to make available their framework from the Dark Side to the Light Side > (FreeBSD) 8) > > You can argue about java vs tcl vs whatever however the bottom line is > the application framework . There are other parameters like performance > ease of maintainability , etc... > > Cheers, > Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05392 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:21:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05380 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.44]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA221; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:18:54 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA01400; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:20:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980129202019.32143@scsn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:20:19 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Greg Lehey , hackers@freebsd.org References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> <19980130111804.13786@lemis.com> <19980129195623.55979@scsn.net> <19980130113751.52742@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980130113751.52742@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:37:51AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:37:51AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:56:23PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox, masquerading as Charlie Root, wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:18:04AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:42:29PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to > >>> what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to > >>> include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing > >>> to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the > >>> above... Is that right? > >> > >> If they want to distribute it under a Berkeley license, yes. Unlike > >> the GPL, there's no obligation to distribute *everything* in a product > >> under this license, however. In the terminology of the GPL opponents, > >> the Berkeley license doens't infect software it touches. > > > > Ok, now you've confused me :-/ Exactly what restrictions are acceptable > > on code distributed with the base system, like ppp? What are some examples > > of what _is not_ acceptable? > > Hmm. As I said, I *certainly* don't speak for the FreeBSD project. > What I understand is: > > 1. Most of the stuff in /usr/src is covered by a Berkeley license. > 2. Stuff in /usr/src/gnu is covered by GPL. > > PPP is mainly covered by a Berkeley-style license (i.e. the conditions > are the same, but it doesn't (always) mention Berkeley). Some of the > modules are in the Public Domain. You can take the code and make your > own product out of it if you want, and you are under no obligation to > put it under the Berkeley license. > > On the other hand, it wouldn't be acceptable to pretend you wrote it > all yourself, nor to hide the fact that the software was derived from > Berkeley-licensed software, nor to distribute it without saying so. > > Particularly this last proviso is a problem. When did you last see > System V.4 software which prominently stated "Derived from software > written by the University of California, Berkeley, and its > contributors"? > > Greg > Ok, at this point, I think I have asked the wrong question. It seems to me that the important question wrt STAC is 'What are licensing terms acceptable to the FreeBSD core team for software included in the base distribution?', not 'What is the meaning and intent of the BSD license?'. Core team members are cordially invited to address this issue, if you will... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:21:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05436 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:21:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05374 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08429 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:20:51 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D12AF4.80043C1B@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:20:52 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Right, In conclusion then, we have the following: It has been decided that FreeBSD could do with a 'replacement' to sysinstall, preferably something graphical, and 'portable'. We have a choice of 3 alternatives, 1. We write something that will 'install' FreeBSD with emphasis on ease of use, size, and the fact it will run very nicely on FreeBSD and let people install it (I hate to use the words 'Like windows 95'). 2. We write something that will maintain FreeBSD - again with emphasis on ease of use, but including portability (i.e. we want to be able to run this from Windows, other Unix platforms, Alpha workstations, X-servers etc. This is more akin to the Admin tools for something like SCO OpenDesktop etc. - but done properly ;-) 3. We write something that tries to accomplish both the above, hopefully not causing too many compromises. For the actual program, we are faced with how to implement it. Currently we have considered: TCL / X Java HTML / cgi Dedicated Win32 Client I believe at present were aiming for something like the Windows NT Domain / Workstation manager, but something you can actually use (i.e. point it at your network, it shows you what FreeBSD remote adminable machines you have - and so long as you have passwords / access rights, away you go...) - This at least was certainly my goal. So the goals can be summarized as: 1. Design something expandable, and adaptable and maintainable (as always ;-) 2. Can be used to both install & maintain. 3. Must be runnable on the local machine, and / or remotely* 4. Must look good, feel good - and have nice features to help newbies etc. (after all were all newbies at some point ;-) * I don't think were going to get away with anything really small because of this point, the best scenario I can think of is single boot disk in the floppy drive, FreeBSD CD in the CDROM (or a network connection) - boot the disk, and lo and behold your in a VGA X-Server running a 'full-screen' Java / something app, with nice FreeBSD logo displayed either on the console, or on another machines Screen / Web browser / Admin client... (Gee, doesn't this sound like Windows NT? - but 'better' already? (try a 'remote' install of NT! ) The bad side effect of this - is were going to have to keep the text install stuff somewhere, or we'll end up having a 'system requirements' like Windows NT, i.e. 12Mb, VGA, mouse & 486 to install on - Though some of this is probably unavoidable (you can't get something for nothing)... The main areas of abstraction I can see after looking through things briefly are: 1. The client, abstracts itself from the actual unix commands somehow (i.e. the client doesn't actually issue things like 'adduser -batch ...' etc. - most popular theory so far is it uses MIB like structures etc. (see 2.) 2. The commands / administration is abstracted through the use of something similar to MIB's etc. (i.e. little modules that describe what fields the 'adduser v1.2' command needs, what they should contain) - through this we can hopefully keep the client up to date without too much trouble, and build a nice area with all the MIB's (for want of a better word) living in... The above 2 points mean that we should be able to carve things up a bit amongst ourselves... SO - Yet again, I'm asking: a) Who's up for this? b) How do we get organized? (Divide and conquer always seems to work for me ) Kp From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:36:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08029 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:36:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07865 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:35:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00560; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:57:55 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300127.LAA00560@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dmaddox@scsn.net cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:20:19 CDT." <19980129202019.32143@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:57:55 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Ok, at this point, I think I have asked the wrong question. It seems > to me that the important question wrt STAC is 'What are licensing terms > acceptable to the FreeBSD core team for software included in the base > distribution?', not 'What is the meaning and intent of the BSD license?'. I can summarise this (being reasonably familiar with the attitude through recent investigations of my own). - If source code is not available and freely redistributable, it is impossible for it to be included in the FreeBSD codebase. (This is really a no-brainer). I do not believe that STAC would be willing to release their code under these terms. *However* it is not unlikely that STAC would be willing to license the code to you under an NDA. It would be trivial to provide a generic pluggable-compression interface inside the user-PPP program. Thus, if you were willing to maintain the code yourself, you might well be able to provide a freely-redistributable STAC compression module which would plug into user-PPP. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:46:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09735 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.147.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09705 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:45:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08661; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:00:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Howard To: Mike Smith cc: dmaddox@scsn.net, Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License In-Reply-To: <199801300127.LAA00560@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > - If source code is not available and freely redistributable, it is > impossible for it to be included in the FreeBSD codebase. (This is > really a no-brainer). Hello, I've been lurking around this mailing list for a spell now and recently considered this question myself. I am confused by the above statement. Was Sun Microsystems legally bound to (a) make the source to SunOS available and (b) make the source code available for free? What about others like DEC and Ultrix or OSF/1 or NeXT and NeXTStep? Jamie From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10751 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:53:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10710 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:53:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA17547; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:53:33 -0800 (PST) To: dmaddox@scsn.net cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:20:19 EST." <19980129202019.32143@scsn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:53:33 -0800 Message-ID: <17543.886125213@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Ok, at this point, I think I have asked the wrong question. It seems > to me that the important question wrt STAC is 'What are licensing terms > acceptable to the FreeBSD core team for software included in the base > distribution?', not 'What is the meaning and intent of the BSD license?'. Same answer: The BSD license. That was easy. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:57:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11503 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:57:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11495 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:57:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26742; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:57:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd026685; Thu Jan 29 18:56:59 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10679; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:56:56 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801300156.SAA10679@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: WebAdmin To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com (Joe Shevland) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, capriotti@geocities.com, capriotti0@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <199801292209.JAA05973@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> from "Joe Shevland" at Jan 30, 98 08:54:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > Abouit suggestion on that "What I would like to see in a weAdimn tool", I > > found a couple of good points here: [snip] > > Now one question : if this could turn into a general admin tool, why not > > use Java (no flames, I beg !). > > None from me today :-). I think it'd be a good idea. One downfall with this > is the current version of the JDK (not the beta 1.2, but 1.1.5, I think) > will only allow connections from the client back to the server running the > httpd, using applets (unless you digitally sign the little beasties). > My original thoughts were not about post-install configs but this latest > stream seems the way to go (too many variables to be assumed to design a > Java/HTML/GUI installation cousin to sysinstall). > As far as security goes, this admind would have to have superuser > permissions, would it not? 1) Authenticate to the httpd server. This authentication makes you root for the purposes of the session. 2) Run JAVA plugin on the server. In this plugin, you have: A) Administration classes B) HTML classes C) Glue code in the form of CGI applets that present administration classes via (B), and accept input via B, which are then committed/denied by the admin classes. This is pretty trivial, since HTML classes already exist; You will need to write the FreeBSD admin classes to operate against FreeBSD databases that encompass objects like "users". 3) For command line, you run a JVM; either Sun's JRE, or Kaffee, whichever you can get the licensing resolved on. You then: A) Use the same administration classes from 2.A, above B) Use command line argument parsing classes C) Glue code in the form of CGI applets that present administration classes via (B), and accept input via B, which are then committed/denied by the admin classes. If you do this correctly, the code in 3.C is identical to that in 2.C. To do this, you would implement both (B)'s as instances subclassed off of a pure virtual UI class. 4) For text windowed UI, you have: A) Use the same administration classes from #.A and 2.A, above. B) Use text windowed UI dialog parsing classes C) Glue code in the form of CGI applets that present administration classes via (B), and accept input via B, which are then committed/denied by the admin classes. If you do this correctly, the code in 4.C is identical to that in 3.C and 2.C. To do this, you would implement all three (B)'s as instances subclassed off of a pure virtual UI class. This would all be a lot easier if all FreeBSD configuration information went to one place, and was accessed via one set of methods. Perhaps the LDAP methods, which are freely downloadable from the NetScape developer resources page at www.netscape.com? The massive number of FreeBSD databases need not change for this to work. FreeBSD could keep its fear of change and its proliferation of hundreds of incompatible text file and database formats, if it wanted to. You can write any LDAP back end you want to, including one that would allow you register multiple databases to manage various parts of the LDAP tree. Finally, for boot and local usage, you would probably want to implement a native access to the LDAP methods. This would let you directly access the database data, instead of requiring that you get your net up before you can set up your net (catch 22). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:57:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11713 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:57:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11583 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24892; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:01 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA06726; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:01 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980130122701.55526@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:01 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jamie Howard Cc: Mike Smith , dmaddox@scsn.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License References: <199801300127.LAA00560@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Jamie Howard on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 09:00:13PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 09:00:13PM -0500, Jamie Howard wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > >> - If source code is not available and freely redistributable, it is >> impossible for it to be included in the FreeBSD codebase. (This is >> really a no-brainer). > > Hello, I've been lurking around this mailing list for a spell now and > recently considered this question myself. I am confused by the above > statement. Was Sun Microsystems legally bound to (a) make the source to > SunOS available and (b) make the source code available for free? What > about others like DEC and Ultrix or OSF/1 or NeXT and NeXTStep? You're confusing two things. As I stated earlier, the Berkeley license does *not* oblige you to disclose your source code, nor even the embedded BSD code in your sources. The Berkeley license applies to the embedded code, not to your code in its entirety. On the other hand, Mike and Jorday say that if you want to distribute the software in the FreeBSD code base, you must place your code under the Berkeley license. This isn't quite true, of course, as I pointed out earlier: the source tree includes packages with other licenses, notably GPL. They're neatly segregated in directories where they can't infect BSD code :-) Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:00:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12585 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailbag.jf.intel.com (mailbag.jf.intel.com [134.134.248.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12580 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@aahz.jf.intel.com) Received: from aahz.jf.intel.com (aahz.jf.intel.com [192.198.161.2]) by mailbag.jf.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10008 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from batie@localhost) by aahz.jf.intel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23813; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:59:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980129175913.55683@aahz.jf.intel.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:59:13 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: floppy media change detection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dating myself horribly, I seem to remember the days of 360K floppies where in the dos world, you'd do yourself in bigtime by swapping floppies and the directory would be cached and you'd end up writing the wrong one back out. It seems like a few of the later 360's and then the 1.2's and 1.44's fixed this with a media change signal of some sort (maybe it was the transition from 180K to 360K?). Am I hallucinating? I don't remember how you told dos you wanted to change the floppy certainly, so it's possible... A quick scan through the fd controller doesn't indicate any such thing, and it would be really handy for an application I'm working on... Am I out of luck? Thanks... -- Alan Batie ------ What goes up, must come down. batie@aahz.jf.intel.com \ / Ask any system administrator. +1 503-264-8844 (voice) \ / --unknown D0 D2 39 0E 02 34 D6 B4 \/ 5A 41 21 8F 23 5F 08 9D --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNNEz8RCfrckvDwdpAQHLeAP/YDlQkGheaiPQzWAKSiFs+2VdvsYPUih7 tl6d0fuR75HPYkG5nOJ3RCdQBhpJ5t8UqBuTJB+jAnPRt2Dimj7kS8L+nzVYVH6C VcIfxIx3UKIkLMfNi35ISU+lBMD7mLUbu4ZIUZcAT85oBR+yExJ7QVYZ4bhiZbM8 gMMpmDg13Fc= =D2MZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:02:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13047 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13006 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14209; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:01:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd014175; Thu Jan 29 19:01:37 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11071; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:01:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801300201.TAA11071@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:01:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: AdamT@smginc.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, nate@mt.sri.com In-Reply-To: <199801300011.RAA13016@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Jan 29, 98 05:11:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > I'm running a headless box in another room, and I don't want to install X > > on it, and I don't think that should prevent me from doing local admin. > > Ahh, you want a version of java that doesn't require X libs. That's a > bit harder to do, but not impossible. Steve Byrne's Linux port does > that, and if someone has some time to do that I'm not averse to seeing > it done. This requires splitting the classes.zip and making a JNI shared object that is statically linked against the Motif library (IMO). If I ever get enough time to serously hack *on* JAVA as opposed to just hacking JAVA, I'll look at doing this. I have an interest in having a seperate UI implementation class, in any case. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13731 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13686 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA26796; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:03:07 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199801300203.CAA26796@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: dmaddox@scsn.net cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:20:19 EST." <19980129202019.32143@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:03:06 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" [.....] > Ok, at this point, I think I have asked the wrong question. It seems > to me that the important question wrt STAC is 'What are licensing terms > acceptable to the FreeBSD core team for software included in the base > distribution?', not 'What is the meaning and intent of the BSD license?'. > > Core team members are cordially invited to address this issue, if you > will... I'm not sure that this is the correct question either. The rfc seems to indicate to me that they are not willing to give their software away without at least an NDA. That in itself is not a problem if they're willing to tell us (or me) how to implement the algorithm (and don't place any restrictions on that knowledge). If they were willing to do this, I would have thought it would already be explained in the rfc. Unfortunately it isn't. We need to ask them if they will give us enough knowledge to implement STAC compression *without* an NDA, without any licensing requirements and so that the resulting code can be distributed with FreeBSD for the world to see and use without restriction on that usage. This `knowledge' may be in source code form already or it may be a spec.... Feel free to give 'em my name, although I'm no expert on copyrights. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14592 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14538 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:09:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.44]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA153; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:07:42 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA01566; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:09:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980129210906.02061@scsn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:09:06 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Mike Smith , dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Mike Smith , dmaddox@scsn.net, Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980129202019.32143@scsn.net> <199801300127.LAA00560@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199801300127.LAA00560@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:57:55AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:57:55AM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: > > Ok, at this point, I think I have asked the wrong question. It seems > > to me that the important question wrt STAC is 'What are licensing terms > > acceptable to the FreeBSD core team for software included in the base > > distribution?', not 'What is the meaning and intent of the BSD license?'. > > I can summarise this (being reasonably familiar with the attitude > through recent investigations of my own). > > - If source code is not available and freely redistributable, it is > impossible for it to be included in the FreeBSD codebase. (This is > really a no-brainer). > > I do not believe that STAC would be willing to release their code under > these terms. > > *However* it is not unlikely that STAC would be willing to license the > code to you under an NDA. It would be trivial to provide a generic > pluggable-compression interface inside the user-PPP program. > > Thus, if you were willing to maintain the code yourself, you might well > be able to provide a freely-redistributable STAC compression module > which would plug into user-PPP. Ok, this sounds like the answer I was looking for... I will wait until after I speak with Ms. Poland and actually have some idea what I'm up against before I carry this any further. Thanks all... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:16:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15534 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:16:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15506 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00735; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:38:47 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300208.MAA00735@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: joe.shevland@horizonti.com (Joe Shevland), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, capriotti@geocities.com, capriotti0@hotmail.com Subject: Re: WebAdmin In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:56:56 -0000." <199801300156.SAA10679@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:38:47 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I've been waiting for people to actually move this discussion to the -config mailing list, which is where it belongs. I've also avoided weighing in because I haven't heard anything new yet. > This would all be a lot easier if all FreeBSD configuration information > went to one place, and was accessed via one set of methods. Perhaps > the LDAP methods, which are freely downloadable from the NetScape > developer resources page at www.netscape.com? I'm not sure if I like these yet. > The massive number of FreeBSD databases need not change for this to > work. FreeBSD could keep its fear of change and its proliferation > of hundreds of incompatible text file and database formats, if it > wanted to. You can write any LDAP back end you want to, including > one that would allow you register multiple databases to manage > various parts of the LDAP tree. Yes. Funnily enough, I have been looking at making the 'juliet' tool work as a backend for the umich SLAPD LDAP daemon. The real gotcha with this is security; SLAPD's security is relatively poor. Oh, and getting people to accept DNs, which aren't the nicest things to read or write. > Finally, for boot and local usage, you would probably want to implement > a native access to the LDAP methods. This would let you directly > access the database data, instead of requiring that you get your net > up before you can set up your net (catch 22). It wouldn't be hard to use a unix-domain socket for this. Start the LDAP server early enough and you're in business. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:20:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16357 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16284 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.44]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA145; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:17:31 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA01593; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:18:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980129211855.59084@scsn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:18:55 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Brian Somers Cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Brian Somers , Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980129202019.32143@scsn.net> <199801300203.CAA26796@awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199801300203.CAA26796@awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 02:03:06AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 02:03:06AM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: > [.....] > > Ok, at this point, I think I have asked the wrong question. It seems > > to me that the important question wrt STAC is 'What are licensing terms > > acceptable to the FreeBSD core team for software included in the base > > distribution?', not 'What is the meaning and intent of the BSD license?'. > > > > Core team members are cordially invited to address this issue, if you > > will... > > I'm not sure that this is the correct question either. > > The rfc seems to indicate to me that they are not willing to give > their software away without at least an NDA. That in itself is not a > problem if they're willing to tell us (or me) how to implement the > algorithm (and don't place any restrictions on that knowledge). If > they were willing to do this, I would have thought it would already > be explained in the rfc. Unfortunately it isn't. > > We need to ask them if they will give us enough knowledge to > implement STAC compression *without* an NDA, without any licensing > requirements and so that the resulting code can be distributed with > FreeBSD for the world to see and use without restriction on that > usage. This `knowledge' may be in source code form already or it > may be a spec.... > > Feel free to give 'em my name, although I'm no expert on copyrights. Brian, I believe that you would definitely be the most qualified person to talk with Ms. Poland on this matter... You're clearly the master of the code that will be most affected by this, and you obviously have a better grasp on what is acceptable, or not, than I am likely to gain tonight :-) I can send you contact information for Ms. Poland in private email, if you would be willing to contact her, or alternatively, I could ask her to contact you, if you give me a number... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:30:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17679 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:30:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17665 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19671; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801300230.SAA19671@austin.polstra.com> To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dladdr: Hel-lo-o-o? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:07:36 GMT." <199801290807.BAA28848@usr06.primenet.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:30:03 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > Have any of you even _tried_ the patches I posted here 10 days > > ago? I haven't received a single report. Grrrrr. > > That's because they work. 8-). Great -- thanks. I'll plan on committing them before too long, after going over them one more time. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:35:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18747 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:35:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18708 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06145; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:34:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:34:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Jamie Howard cc: Mike Smith , dmaddox@scsn.net, Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Jamie Howard wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > - If source code is not available and freely redistributable, it is > > impossible for it to be included in the FreeBSD codebase. (This is > > really a no-brainer). > > Hello, I've been lurking around this mailing list for a spell now and > recently considered this question myself. I am confused by the above > statement. Was Sun Microsystems legally bound to (a) make the source to > SunOS available and (b) make the source code available for free? What > about others like DEC and Ultrix or OSF/1 or NeXT and NeXTStep? That's easy. That's because FreeBSD requires that all source in the base OS is freely distributable, so anything we add in has to be under such a license. SunOS et al have no such restriction; they license their source out for mega $, and aren't really under any compulsion to do so, other than the fact that most people demand to at least be able to BUY the source. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:42:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19827 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19802 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:41:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06455; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:41:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:41:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Karl Pielorz cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-Reply-To: <34D12AF4.80043C1B@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > 1. We write something that will 'install' FreeBSD with emphasis on ease of > use, size, and the fact it will run very nicely on FreeBSD and let people > install it (I hate to use the words 'Like windows 95'). On this, here's a thought on a shorter-term goal: Leave sysinstall basically the way it is, but make the 'novice install' MUCH more novice; more extensive help 'what am I doing here?' sort of things, etc. My first FreeBSD install (2.1.6) was sheer luck that I figured out what a 'mount point' was ;). I know what it is now, and lots of other stuff that I didn't even dream of then, but you see my point; not everyone (including me) RT's the FM before it's too late. > 2. We write something that will maintain FreeBSD - again with emphasis on ease > of use, but including portability (i.e. we want to be able to run this from > Windows, other Unix platforms, Alpha workstations, X-servers etc. This is more > akin to the Admin tools for something like SCO OpenDesktop etc. - but done > properly ;-) Hmm, perhaps the best thing here would be to ignore the portability for the time being; work on something like AIX's SMIT for running on FreeBSD< and once all those decisions are made, move up to remote use, and platform independance. > 3. We write something that tries to accomplish both the above, hopefully not > causing too many compromises. And here, I'd suggest doing 1) and 2), then looking at merging them. That way, we'd have at least 1) working great MUCH sooner, which would attract more people. > For the actual program, we are faced with how to implement it. Currently we > have considered: > > TCL / X Beautiful. > Java Nice; save work later. > HTML / cgi This I don't like, for security and ease of extensibility, but... > Dedicated Win32 Client Umm... No. This eliminates the portability we're trying to create. Note that all of this is IMHO; I'm not an expert on the coding involved, nor necessarily in the concepts behind it. Just my pair of copper coins. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:47:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20848 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:47:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20614; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00844; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:06:34 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300236.NAA00844@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Karl Pielorz cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, config@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:20:52 -0000." <34D12AF4.80043C1B@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:06:33 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > It has been decided that FreeBSD could do with a 'replacement' to sysinstall, > preferably something graphical, and 'portable'. We have a choice of 3 > alternatives, I don't want to rain on your parade just yet, but you might want to take this up with me. Seeing as Jordan has mentioned it publically now, it's probably safe to make it generally known that next week I am moving to the Concord area to work for Walnut Creek CDROM. My first task is to develop the replacement for the current installer and packaging system, with the intention of having these ready for the 3.0 release. Not inconsiderable thought (not to mention work) has been expended on the form that these will take over the last couple of years; if you have a chance to browse the list archives for a while it might be informative. > 1. We write something that will 'install' FreeBSD with emphasis on ease of > use, size, and the fact it will run very nicely on FreeBSD and let people > install it (I hate to use the words 'Like windows 95'). Get over it. Microsoft spent gobs of money coming up with a set of rules that result in an interface that's easy to use. There's nothing dishonourable in stealing their ideas. > 2. We write something that will maintain FreeBSD - again with emphasis on ease > of use, but including portability (i.e. we want to be able to run this from > Windows, other Unix platforms, Alpha workstations, X-servers etc. This is more > akin to the Admin tools for something like SCO OpenDesktop etc. - but done > properly ;-) Here you lump together a great number of iterrelated issues. I don't think that you're really thought this one through. Terry is much closer to the mark with his summary, which comes reasonably close to condensing most of the conclusions that've been reached over the years. Bottom line: LDAP is the way to go, however we do it. It is the distributed parametric database system that we basically need. > 3. We write something that tries to accomplish both the above, hopefully not > causing too many compromises. This would be a major layering mistake. > The main areas of abstraction I can see after looking through things briefly > are: > > 1. The client, abstracts itself from the actual unix commands somehow (i.e. > the client doesn't actually issue things like 'adduser -batch ...' etc. - most > popular theory so far is it uses MIB like structures etc. (see 2.) > > 2. The commands / administration is abstracted through the use of something > similar to MIB's etc. (i.e. little modules that describe what fields the > 'adduser v1.2' command needs, what they should contain) - through this we can > hopefully keep the client up to date without too much trouble, and build a > nice area with all the MIB's (for want of a better word) living in... > > The above 2 points mean that we should be able to carve things up a bit > amongst ourselves... You haven't played with juliet yet: ftp://ftp.gsoft.com.au/misc/juliet.tar.gz The name parsing will probably change in order to fit into the Distinguished Name schema that LDAP uses, but the basically modular and method-based design will remain. With a little tinkering this will let people write backend modules in almost any language they like. I know it works with Tcl and C (although I removed the shared library code for rework), Perl would be a trivial addition, etc. > SO - Yet again, I'm asking: > > a) Who's up for this? Yes. > b) How do we get organized? (Divide and conquer always seems to work for me > ) If I may make a suggestion; given that I'm claiming the installer, I would recommend that you look at the umich LDAP server (/usr/ports/net/ldap) and juliet, and start making rude remarks about the module interface for the backend. Read Netscape's LDAP developer pages, and work out how to talk to an LDAP server from Netscape. Start thinking (and talking) about how to tie all this together. And subscribe (and post) to config@freebsd.org. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 18:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22428 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22391 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:56:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00909 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:19:55 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300249.NAA00909@word.smith.net.au> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:19:53 +1030 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Adam Turoff cc: config@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WebAdmin (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:16:00 PST." <34D0D540@smginc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:19:53 +1030 From: Mike Smith > OK. Enough goading. :-) OK. 8) I saved this mesasge because it's a good place to start plugging Juliet again. 8) > I don't feel qualified enough to start down this path alone. There > are a lot of nontrivial security issues to deal with, and a lot of > nontrivial configuration issues to deal with, too. This becomes easier when you layer the security issues. I would stop worrying about them for starters. > Here are a few things I'd like to see in a web-based admin tool: > - DNS administration > - user config > - NFS config > - mounting > - mirroring Each of these can be considered in two parts; the backend which manipulates the current configuration "database", and the frontend which provides the window-dressing for the user. The backend for any of the above can be trivially implemented as a module inside the juliet framework. The frontend is up to the HTML people out there. 8) > - apache config (?) > - samba config (admin-loadable module? :-) ) Modules can come from anywhere, even packages. > - lynx friendly This is an issue for frontend design. It means that you need to rule out any client-side smarts at all in the frontend. > - config replication (act like that machine there) LDAP makes this *very* easy. > - ports management That's really just another module. > My questions to -hackers at large would be: > - any other admin type things that should be included? > - any other security issues that should be considered? > - ideas for extensibility? > > Hopefully I should have something started in a few weeks. Please don't start until you've looked at what's already on the table; it'd be nice to coordinate things. I'd suggest subscribing to -config and brawling it out there where it's meant to be. > Rhythm deficient bassist for Necessity & the Mothers of Invention Argh. More musicians. 8) - -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 19:41:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27402 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horizon.hit.net (root@horizon.hit.net [206.252.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27379 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kermit@horizon.hit.net) Received: from default (win126.hit.net [206.252.160.219]) by horizon.hit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00158 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:04:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34D14C08.7194@horizon.hit.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:42:00 -0600 From: Russell Gordon Reply-To: kermit@horizon.hit.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 21:20:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15910 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:20:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15822; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:20:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA01496; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: Mike Smith cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Michael Slater , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard In-Reply-To: <199801290553.QAA01562@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Recommended course of action of pruning this cc: ? On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Can people *please* identify and report the I/O device on these failing > boards? If you need help in working out which one it is, please ask. > It is unlikely in the extreme that there is anything wrong with the > timing, as the PCI-ISA bridge is configured by the BIOS and not changed > by FreeBSD. Mike, if you're taking charge of this, I'll forward you any msgs I get from -questions on it. I've seen 10+ messages flow by on -questions in the past year or so with this problem. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 21:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16449 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16354; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:20:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10610; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:23:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980130002312.53242@vmunix.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:23:12 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Mike Smith Cc: Karl Pielorz , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, config@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit References: <34D12AF4.80043C1B@tdx.co.uk> <199801300236.NAA00844@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199801300236.NAA00844@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 01:06:33PM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 01:06:33PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: [SNIP] > > It has been decided that FreeBSD could do with a 'replacement' to sysinstall, > > preferably something graphical, and 'portable'. We have a choice of 3 > > alternatives, [SNIP] > > 2. We write something that will maintain FreeBSD - again with emphasis on ease > > of use, but including portability (i.e. we want to be able to run this from > > Windows, other Unix platforms, Alpha workstations, X-servers etc. This is more > > akin to the Admin tools for something like SCO OpenDesktop etc. - but done > > properly ;-) > > Here you lump together a great number of iterrelated issues. I don't > think that you're really thought this one through. Terry is much > closer to the mark with his summary, which comes reasonably close to > condensing most of the conclusions that've been reached over the years. I agree. > Bottom line: LDAP is the way to go, however we do it. It is the > distributed parametric database system that we basically need. Once again, I agree. As I mentioned before, I've played with the idea of a FreeBSD management system in the past, but never had the time to implement one. I'm not really that interested in writing something that can be used to install the system - more like something to manage it effectively when it's up and running. For me, this means a GUI of some sort, ultimately. IMHO, installing the system and admining it are two distinct tasks (at least from the user point of view) and shouldn't necessarily have the same limitations/conditions... Background, which will lead to a proposal: (sorry this is long, but it will be necesary to establish the motives behind the proposal....) ----------------------------------------- I go to school at the unviversity of Guelph. Rick Maclem, the NFS guru for 4.4BSD is the sysadmin here. Rick's hard to get motivated - until his boss (the chair of th department) tells him to get his ass in gear. Such was the case with the NFS work Rick did (and VFS stuff). The nifty development: The Chair of the department has decided that Guelph should return to the BSD limelight again, and wants to do this by "sponsoring" the creation of some sort of "information infrastructure" system ontop of FreeBSD (he's an academic, so don't ask). I was recently repsonsible for ridding the department of the evils of Linux and we have now returned to our roots with a complete switch to FreeBSD (thanks go out to Jordan and Walnut Creek for donating the hordes of CDROMS it took to bribe the faculty ;-)) I met with the chair this morning to ask if I and a friend (Pat Wardrop) could get involved with the creation of a FreeBSD admin system and get a credit out of it (we have a few project courses available for 4th year students). In short, Jim (the chair) loved the idea, and lectured us about how this would be a perfect example of "information infrastructure" ontop of UNIX.. He wants to start this now, and has offered us any resources the department has. To date this includes: 1. Two dual PII-333 PCs loaded to the teeth for people to work on 2. Rick Maclem. Rick knows protocols, and the BSD guts inside out. 3. A facult member of our choice, and his/her grad students 4. 2 credits for me and Pat :-) 5. Money to attend USENIX in June, to have a "live" discussion with anybody who might want to participate in this project So, basically, I'm offering to host mailing lists, development accounts, or whatever people need to sit down and come up with a real, cool FreeBSD admin infrastructure. What do people think of this idea? We need coordination, and I guess "The University of Guelph Computer Science Department" is offering to donate whatever it takes to coordinate this effort and crank out some code. [SNIP] > > b) How do we get organized? (Divide and conquer always seems to work for me > > ) > > If I may make a suggestion; given that I'm claiming the installer, I > would recommend that you look at the umich LDAP server > (/usr/ports/net/ldap) and juliet, and start making rude remarks about > the module interface for the backend. > > Read Netscape's LDAP developer pages, and work out how to talk to an > LDAP server from Netscape. Start thinking (and talking) about how to > tie all this together. My idea all along has been a "protocol" based approach, where you define a MIB-like server protocol that performs tasks, and write the GUI of your choice to talk to that admin server. I actually was leaning away from a httpd approach in favour of client/server type stuff, with Java "programs", not applets.. (or Tcl clients, or Win32, or whatever the hell someone wanted write). The idea being a solid server protocol the clients talk to.. I haven't looked at the LDAP stuff, or how it would fit in, but it sounds very appropriate for storing and distributing the "blobs" of stuff that would encapsulate a task performed by the system. Time to do some reading! :-) That's all I'll say for now. There seems to be lots of interest in this type of thing, and hopefully we can all capitalize on it and come up with some neat stuff. Any comments very much welcome. -Mark > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 22:11:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29100 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29090 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts2-cltnc-87.cetlink.net [209.54.58.87]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA02253; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: STAC vs. the BSD License Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:11:02 GMT Message-ID: <34d17a26.10132893@mail.cetlink.net> References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> In-Reply-To: <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA29093 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:42:29 -0500, dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) wrote: >>"the BSD license" in it's entirety? >> >> Yes. Basically it says: >> >> 1. You can use this software however you choose. >> 2. Don't blame us if it breaks. >> 3. Don't use our name to advertise it [I consider this a difficult >> one; it conflicts with the next]. >> 4. Do acknowledge the use of the code. > >Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to >what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to >include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing >to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the >above... Is that right? I don't think the STAC people will accept that. Nevertheless, you should still be able to implement a STAC routine which would be called by PPP and PPPD. The trick will be modifying PPP and PPPD to optionally call STAC when it's present on the machine, without disturbing any users who don't have it on their machine. Just because one function or module has a BSD copyright doesn't mean every module it calls is contaminated with the same. You can have a different copyright and license on the called STAC code you port. The boundary line separating the copyright/license is the call interface. That's been a generally accepted principle for a long time. Code like a STAC port which is not BSD copyrighted won't be included in the base distribution, but that's not your objective anyway, presumably. ------- John The day of the proprietary OS is over. Long live free software. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 22:43:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03029 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:43:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03020 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09593; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:42:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199801300642.BAA09593@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: The BSD License In-Reply-To: from "Matthew D. Fuller" at "Jan 29, 98 08:34:20 pm" To: fullermd@futuresouth.com (Matthew D. Fuller) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:42:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu, mike@smith.net.au, dmaddox@scsn.net, grog@lemis.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Matthew D. Fuller said: > On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Jamie Howard wrote: > > > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > - If source code is not available and freely redistributable, it is > > > impossible for it to be included in the FreeBSD codebase. (This is > > > really a no-brainer). > > > > Hello, I've been lurking around this mailing list for a spell now and > > recently considered this question myself. I am confused by the above > > statement. Was Sun Microsystems legally bound to (a) make the source to > > SunOS available and (b) make the source code available for free? What > > about others like DEC and Ultrix or OSF/1 or NeXT and NeXTStep? > That's easy. > That's because FreeBSD requires that all source in the base OS is freely > distributable, so anything we add in has to be under such a license. > SunOS et al have no such restriction; they license their source out for > mega $, and aren't really under any compulsion to do so, other than the > fact that most people demand to at least be able to BUY the source. > (Not speaking officially for FreeBSD, but clarifying the apparent position that I see about myself and many other FreeBSD developers.) What you say above about FreeBSD is essentially true, but I would like to clarify one item. The FreeBSD team doesn't care if the FreeBSD code is redistributed by third parties with or without source. We also don't care if proprietary software is added to FreeBSD, and then redistributed with or without source. There are components that come with FreeBSD, not necessary for a basic runtime, that come under a GPL license, or other restrictive terms. In that case, one needs to be careful to meet the terms of such licensed software, but the FreeBSD team itself did not originate that code, and is under GPL or other terms, because of restrictions placed upon the software by other authors. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05271 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:00:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05262; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:00:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02694; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:23:43 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300653.RAA02694@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Descent Sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:32:03 +1030." <199801300002.KAA11651@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:23:42 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Hi, > It appears someone has managed to compile Descent under Linux using the Mac C > source in place of the assembly :) > Check out 'http://www.muppetlabs.com/linux/descent/' for the patches. I've put a trivial patch to the ldescent-0.0.1 release above at ftp://ftp.gsoft.com.au/misc/bdescent.diff.gz This is enough to get it compiled under -current; I don't expect that it will run. Outstanding issues (before we get to the point the Linux people are at): - No palette support (Soren, libvgl has no documented palette handling functions!) - No keyboard support. (The Linux svgalib seems to support calling a user-supplied keyboard handler on interrupt. This is unspeakably bogus if true.) - Possibly broken joystick support (I've never used the joy(4) driver before...). Just FYA; note there are lots of unaddressed issues with the remainder of the code (the warning:code ratio is alarmingly high). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07179 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:18:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bootp.sls.usu.edu (bootp.sls.usu.edu [129.123.15.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07154; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:18:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu) Received: (from kurto@localhost) by bootp.sls.usu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id AAA29832; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:17:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:17:25 -0700 (MST) From: Kurt Olsen Message-Id: <199801300717.AAA29832@bootp.sls.usu.edu> To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Descent Sources Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >I've put a trivial patch to the ldescent-0.0.1 release above at >ftp://ftp.gsoft.com.au/misc/bdescent.diff.gz > >This is enough to get it compiled under -current; I don't expect that >it will run. Outstanding issues (before we get to the point the Linux >people are at): > > - No palette support (Soren, libvgl has no documented palette handling > functions!) What about this from the man page: void VGLSetPalette(byte *red, byte *green, byte *blue) This function sets the palette used, the arguments red, green, blue should point to byte arrays of 256 positions each. and void VGLSetPaletteIndex(byte color, byte red, byte green, byte blue) Set the palette index color to the specified RGB value. > - No keyboard support. (The Linux svgalib seems to support calling a > user-supplied keyboard handler on interrupt. This is unspeakably > bogus if true.) VGL needs a little adjustment to it's keyboard init function to really support games. In the raw and code modes the tty code in the kernel filters out all TABs, 'u's and a couple of others (at least I think it's the tty.) I have a few lines of code I put into doom to make it work under VGL. Let me know if you are interested. > - Possibly broken joystick support (I've never used the joy(4) driver > before...). Kurt From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:36:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09265 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:36:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from sos@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09217; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:36:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801300736.XAA09217@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Descent Sources In-Reply-To: <199801300653.RAA02694@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 30, 98 05:23:42 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:36:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In reply to Mike Smith who wrote: > > Hi, > > It appears someone has managed to compile Descent under Linux using the Mac C > > source in place of the assembly :) > > Check out 'http://www.muppetlabs.com/linux/descent/' for the patches. > > I've put a trivial patch to the ldescent-0.0.1 release above at > ftp://ftp.gsoft.com.au/misc/bdescent.diff.gz > > This is enough to get it compiled under -current; I don't expect that > it will run. Outstanding issues (before we get to the point the Linux > people are at): > > - No palette support (Soren, libvgl has no documented palette handling > functions!) man vgl :) :) void VGLSetPalette(byte *red, byte *green, byte *blue) It isn't there ??? > - No keyboard support. (The Linux svgalib seems to support calling a > user-supplied keyboard handler on interrupt. This is unspeakably > bogus if true.) Many things in l* are bogus :), I think you should use the semi translated mode K_CODE, this gives nice onebyte values for each key, and gives both up and down events. > - Possibly broken joystick support (I've never used the joy(4) driver > before...). We have a joy dirver, should be easy... > Just FYA; note there are lots of unaddressed issues with the remainder > of the code (the warning:code ratio is alarmingly high). Well, I'll have to sit around makeing install tapes today, so I might be able to take a look... Søren From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09676 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:38:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09670 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA07376; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:07:16 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199801300607.HAA07376@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems To: freebsd@timog.prestel.co.uk Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:07:16 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980129091605.15034@timog.prestel.co.uk> from "Timo Geusch" at Jan 29, 98 09:15:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Folks, > I just treated myself to a 24x IDE CDROM, and since then I'm encountering the > following problem: > > - CD spins down because there are no accesses for some time (like it happens ... > sometimes it even does not start at all. After hitting a time out, FreeBSD > will report "wcd0: tray open". Unfortunately this sometimes seems to cause i think one of the problem is that our ATAPI (wcd) code does not have a watchdog, unlike the IDE (wd) driver. This means that most unexpected things on a CD access will not be handled properly. This was not probably a big issue so far, but the problem you are reporting will hopefully (yes!) hit a lot of people with new hardware to stimulate work on a fix. > - Anybody knows if the ATAPI spec is available for download somewhere so I can > go out and fix it myself? look at the following URLs: ftp://fission.dt.wdc.com/pubs/x3t13 ftp://ftp.symbios.com/pub/standards/io/ and good luck... but it's not a problem with the specs (i think), it's really poor error handling (look at wdtimeout()). cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10403 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:41:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from sos@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10379; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801300741.XAA10379@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Descent Sources In-Reply-To: <199801300717.AAA29832@bootp.sls.usu.edu> from Kurt Olsen at "Jan 30, 98 00:17:25 am" To: kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:41:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In reply to Kurt Olsen who wrote: > > VGL needs a little adjustment to it's keyboard init function to > really support games. In the raw and code modes the tty code in > the kernel filters out all TABs, 'u's and a couple of others (at > least I think it's the tty.) I have a few lines of code I put into > doom to make it work under VGL. Let me know if you are interested. Could you be bit more specific on this ?? I see problems with 'u' beeing delayed in another game, but I dont think the kernel is to blame (could be wrong though as I havn't investigated further). If you have patches to doom, let me know, and we should make a packages/port out of it.. Søren From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:54:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11817 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:54:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11808; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:54:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03442; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:17:12 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300747.SAA03442@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), doconnor@gsoft.com.au, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Descent Sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:36:24 -0800." <199801300736.XAA09217@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:17:11 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id XAA11811 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > I've put a trivial patch to the ldescent-0.0.1 release above at > > ftp://ftp.gsoft.com.au/misc/bdescent.diff.gz > > > > This is enough to get it compiled under -current; I don't expect that > > it will run. Outstanding issues (before we get to the point the Linux > > people are at): > > > > - No palette support (Soren, libvgl has no documented palette handling > > functions!) > > man vgl :) :) Yah, yah, yah. So I can't read. 8) Nothing there for reading the palette though (but I can kludge around that for now). > > - No keyboard support. (The Linux svgalib seems to support calling a > > user-supplied keyboard handler on interrupt. This is unspeakably > > bogus if true.) > > Many things in l* are bogus :), I think you should use the semi > translated mode K_CODE, this gives nice onebyte values for each > key, and gives both up and down events. ... but it doesn't arrange for the handler to be called every time the user hits a key. Actually, I don't know that Linux actually works that way either; oddly enough I can't find an svgalib manpage to tell me how the keyboard handler/keyboard_update() stuff works. > > - Possibly broken joystick support (I've never used the joy(4) driver > > before...). > > We have a joy dirver, should be easy... I know, and it compiles, I've just never used it so I don't know if it needs to be set up, or whether it has "sensible defaults". 8) > > Just FYA; note there are lots of unaddressed issues with the remainder > > of the code (the warning:code ratio is alarmingly high). > > Well, I'll have to sit around makeing install tapes today, so I might > be able to take a look... Sure; grab the patch again as I've just updated it. (Nothing earth-shattering in there, it's just the boring stuff you'd have to wade through otherwise before you got to the fun bits.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:57:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12469 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:57:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12459 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA18701; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:57:14 -0800 (PST) To: Karl Pielorz , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:23:12 EST." <19980130002312.53242@vmunix.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:57:14 -0800 Message-ID: <18697.886147034@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Erm, just a couple of small points I'd like to make here, if I may. 1. Mike Smith is quite correct in that he's the new installer / package meister for "The new installer." I was not talking about the new installer when I raised this whole thread, I was talking about improvements to the OLD installer. :) 2. We still need to converge on a set of desired enhancements for the old sysinstall. I don't mean to discourage discussion about the new one, but I'd like to finish out the old topic before it's hijacked by the new one. ;) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 23:57:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12506 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:57:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12454; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:57:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03466; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:19:59 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300749.SAA03466@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Kurt Olsen cc: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Descent Sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:17:25 PDT." <199801300717.AAA29832@bootp.sls.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:19:58 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > - No keyboard support. (The Linux svgalib seems to support calling a > > user-supplied keyboard handler on interrupt. This is unspeakably > > bogus if true.) > > VGL needs a little adjustment to it's keyboard init function to > really support games. In the raw and code modes the tty code in > the kernel filters out all TABs, 'u's and a couple of others (at > least I think it's the tty.) I have a few lines of code I put into > doom to make it work under VGL. Let me know if you are interested. Naturally. I'm hoping someone with some more time will actually be able to work on this, I just thought it'd be interesting to see how grubby it really was. The guy who did the Linux mung-job (calling it a port is an insult) freely admits that it's a gross and disgusting job. And he's right, too, but at least it builds. Now I need to go pick up my Descent CDs. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 00:07:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14213 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:07:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14206 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:07:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03514; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:29:55 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300759.SAA03514@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Karl Pielorz , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:57:14 -0800." <18697.886147034@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:29:54 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > 2. We still need to converge on a set of desired enhancements for > the old sysinstall. I don't mean to discourage discussion about the > new one, but I'd like to finish out the old topic before it's hijacked > by the new one. ;) Indeed. There are a couple of things about the install disk that immediately come to mind: FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( The media probe should be held off until the media menu is required for the first time. There should be an option on the media menu to 'rescan for media', in order to pick up newly loaded devices (tape, CD, etc.). The use of the "floppy" media for removable disks of other sorts is slightly confusing. A synonymous entry would be good. These would all be moderately easy things for a new sysinstall hacker to work on, and would address some real nit issues. I'm sure Jordan could list a few more things in this category. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20753 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20744 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from teima@kk.etx.ericsson.se) Received: from kkb3 (kkb3.kk.etx.ericsson.se [130.100.97.23]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-1.12) with SMTP id KAA22066 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:01:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se by kkb3 (SMI-8.6/LME-2.2.6) id KAA05776; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:01:43 +0100 From: teima@kk.etx.ericsson.se (Valter Mazzaro) Received: by kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se (SMI-8.6/client-1.6) id KAA09509; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:01:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:01:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199801300901.KAA09509@kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Embedded FreeBSD X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hello, we are a small group of people working on a distributed access router prototype. Each forwarding engine/egress port is constituted by a 200 Mhz Pentium Pro machine with FreeBSD as Net OS. It works great! At the moment we are investigating the possibility of implementing a router card, i.e. a board substituting each Pentium PC. We are trying to understand if we need to have a complete and commercial RTOS or we can live with a BSD-like product. As we are not so experienced in the embedded products field, I'm wondering if some of you guys can give us an hint about it. 1) Is it possible to embed FreeBSD or whichever BSD on a single board system? 2) Do you have any pointer to www sites, specific mailing lists, articles, books, etc. that can help us? As you understand, we don't need just a yes/no answer, even because running through the mailing lists archive it seems that is an old question, and the answer it should be yes. What we need is to have any indication about HOW to do it (stripped down systems, prom as virtual disks, embedded SW structure, SW loading on the on-board processor, an so on) We don't like so much the idea of leaving FreeBSD, all of us are very astonished how well it works, but the problem is that we lack information for this further step. Thanx in advance Valter From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20862 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:02:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA20856 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0xyCKp-0032pSC; Fri, 30 Jan 98 10:02 MET Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:38:40 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #2 built 1997-Feb-8) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:37:44 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-Reply-To: <199801300759.SAA03514@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 30, 98 06:29:54 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:37:43 +0100 (CET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Mike Smith wrote: > FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it > causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. > Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( I hope you know that it will then be impossible to install and operate FreeBSD on HP3725/28/etc. disks. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:17:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23123 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@spain-7.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23114 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA00588; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:18:26 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: John Kelly cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: STAC vs. the BSD License In-Reply-To: <34d17a26.10132893@mail.cetlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:42:29 -0500, dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. > Maddox) wrote: > > >>"the BSD license" in it's entirety? > >> > >> Yes. Basically it says: > >> > >> 1. You can use this software however you choose. > >> 2. Don't blame us if it breaks. > >> 3. Don't use our name to advertise it [I consider this a difficult > >> one; it conflicts with the next]. > >> 4. Do acknowledge the use of the code. > > > >Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to > >what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to > >include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing > >to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the > >above... Is that right? > > I don't think the STAC people will accept that. > > Nevertheless, you should still be able to implement a STAC routine > which would be called by PPP and PPPD. The trick will be modifying > PPP and PPPD to optionally call STAC when it's present on the machine, > without disturbing any users who don't have it on their machine. [...] I don't know if it's quite the same thing, but there is a little set of kernel patches and the like for Linux that provides Stacker and Drive/Double Space support. It's obviously under the GPL as far as I can tell. Even if it's not quite the same thing, it wouldn't be a bad thing imo to impliment. Linux: The Microsoft Windows(tm) of the Unix(tm) world. - alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:18:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23315 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:18:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23250 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03753; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:40:43 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300910.TAA03753@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hm@kts.org cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:37:43 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:40:41 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Mike Smith wrote: > > > FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it > > causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. > > Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( > > I hope you know that it will then be impossible to install and operate > FreeBSD on HP3725/28/etc. disks. At last, a reason. OK, so get someone with one of these disks and a Sony DDS drive and let them work out what to do. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:20:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24147 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24111 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@shell.futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15195; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:20:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980130032021.01464@futuresouth.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:20:21 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: Valter Mazzaro Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Embedded FreeBSD References: <199801300901.KAA09509@kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801300901.KAA09509@kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se>; from Valter Mazzaro on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 10:01:42AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" You may want to take a look at the Ascend GRF. It will give you an idea on how a really neat giga router can be built based on a lot of PC technology. Since ATA Flash cards are dirt cheap nowadays (<$200 US for a 15 MB ATA Flash Card), I'd suggest putting a PCMCIA capable BIOS in Flash ROM and boot of the ATA device. You probably want to create a memory file system and have all temporary and work files go there to minimize writes to the Flash card (even though ATA Flash cards has great write cycles). The GRF, for example, has all the configuration files on a RAM disk. You have to issue a command to write the files back to Flash. You didn't mention what kind of performance range you are looking to achieve. For the low to mid-end router a fast PC with multiple ethernet cards has a great bang for the buck ratio. I've often thought of building such a box as a co-location/bandwidth limiting/firewall router, actually. If you are trying to compete in the high end, I'd price a GRF first and see if it's worth your trouble to build all the additional coprocessing module you're going to need! I am doubtful about the PC architecture's ability to route/forward packets at wire speed. PS: Can you explain what you mean by a "distributed access router"? Tim On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 10:01:42AM +0100, Valter Mazzaro wrote: > Hello, > we are a small group of people working on a distributed access router > prototype. > Each forwarding engine/egress port is constituted by a 200 Mhz Pentium Pro > machine with FreeBSD as Net OS. It works great! > At the moment we are investigating the possibility of implementing a > router card, i.e. a board substituting each Pentium PC. > We are trying to understand if we need to have a complete and commercial > RTOS or we can live with a BSD-like product. > As we are not so experienced in the embedded products field, I'm wondering > if some of you guys can give us an hint about it. > > 1) Is it possible to embed FreeBSD or whichever BSD on a single board > system? > > 2) Do you have any pointer to www sites, specific mailing lists, > articles, books, etc. that can help us? > > As you understand, we don't need just a yes/no answer, even because > running through the mailing lists archive it seems that is an old > question, and the answer it should be yes. What we need is to have > any indication about HOW to do it (stripped down systems, prom as > virtual disks, embedded SW structure, SW loading on the on-board > processor, an so on) > > We don't like so much the idea of leaving FreeBSD, all of us are very > astonished how well it works, but the problem is that we lack information > for this further step. > > Thanx in advance > > Valter From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:33:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26404 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:33:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from sos@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26385; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:33:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801300933.BAA26385@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-Reply-To: <199801300910.TAA03753@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 30, 98 07:40:41 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:33:16 -0800 (PST) Cc: hm@kts.org, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In reply to Mike Smith who wrote: > > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it > > > causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. > > > Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( > > > > I hope you know that it will then be impossible to install and operate > > FreeBSD on HP3725/28/etc. disks. > > At last, a reason. OK, so get someone with one of these disks and a > Sony DDS drive and let them work out what to do. 8) I have the HP disks, but no tape .... Søren From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27328 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:39:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thorin.hway.ru (root@thorin.hway.ru [194.87.58.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27322 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flash@hway.ru) Received: from flash.intech.hway.ru (flash.intech.hway.ru [192.168.1.16]) by thorin.hway.ru (8.8.6/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16835; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:34:50 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (flash@localhost) by flash.intech.hway.ru (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00522; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:34:49 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:34:49 +0300 (MSK) From: "Alexander V. Tischenko" To: Vladimir Litovka cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: diff: Additional login capability In-Reply-To: <6apihg$bv4$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" BTW, will you patch cron and trace many application soft in the dists, packages and ports to support the specified behaviuor ? Or will you just patch getpwent to strip the args off the shell spec, when requested via that getpw*() interface ? As it was noted, many rely on execution abilities of pw_shell. Alexander V. Tischenko On 29 Jan 1998, Vladimir Litovka wrote: > In maillist.freebsd.hackers Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > > > Furthermore, you can make the "shell" for uusys a two line shell script. > > Imagine, that you have 1000 uucp clients and for each of them you must > create shell script. Do you like this? ;) I have been wrote one script and > now pass only argument to it - which system must be executed. > > > I don't think this should become a feature of the > > login process. It seems more of a risk than a benefit to me. > > As root, you can do anything. So, you must carefully setup your host. > Security of your system is fully depend on your work. ;) > > -- > Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? > UNIX: And where do you want to find yourself tomorrow? > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 01:52:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28677 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:52:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28607; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:51:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03866; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:15:03 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300945.UAA03866@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), hm@kts.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:33:16 -0800." <199801300933.BAA26385@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:15:01 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id BAA28634 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > > > FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it > > > > causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. > > > > Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( BTW I didn't mean to imply that FAILSAFE in the ncr driver wasn't there for a reason, rather that no other drivers seem to use it. > > > I hope you know that it will then be impossible to install and operate > > > FreeBSD on HP3725/28/etc. disks. > > > > At last, a reason. OK, so get someone with one of these disks and a > > Sony DDS drive and let them work out what to do. 8) > > I have the HP disks, but no tape .... *mumble* What is it about the HP disks that's actually important here? The only things that FAILSAFE seems to do are set NCR_DFLT_TAGS to 0 and set CDROM_ASYNC. Is it just that these disks can't handle tagged commands? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 02:28:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03727 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from sos@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03686; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:27:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801301027.CAA03686@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-Reply-To: <199801300945.UAA03866@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 30, 98 08:15:01 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:27:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, hm@kts.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In reply to Mike Smith who wrote: > > > Sony DDS drive and let them work out what to do. 8) > > > > I have the HP disks, but no tape .... > > *mumble* What is it about the HP disks that's actually important here? > The only things that FAILSAFE seems to do are set NCR_DFLT_TAGS to 0 > and set CDROM_ASYNC. Is it just that these disks can't handle tagged > commands? Yup. Søren From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 03:29:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08824 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:29:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br (fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br [200.255.244.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08762; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:29:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulo@fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br) Received: from fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br (fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br [200.255.244.88]) by fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02249; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:32:47 GMT Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:32:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Paulo Cesar Pereira de Andrade To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Kurt Olsen , doconnor@gsoft.com.au, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Descent Sources In-Reply-To: <199801300741.XAA10379@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA08798 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 sos@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > In reply to Kurt Olsen who wrote: > > > > VGL needs a little adjustment to it's keyboard init function to > > really support games. In the raw and code modes the tty code in > > the kernel filters out all TABs, 'u's and a couple of others (at > > least I think it's the tty.) I have a few lines of code I put into > > doom to make it work under VGL. Let me know if you are interested. > > Could you be bit more specific on this ?? > I see problems with 'u' beeing delayed in another game, but I dont > think the kernel is to blame (could be wrong though as I havn't > investigated further). > If you have patches to doom, let me know, and we should make > a packages/port out of it.. > > Søren I have noticed a problem with TAB too, even using VGL_RAWKEYS the program never see a TAB (thought it was my code). It is in a quick hack on a Master System/Game Gear and a Game Boy emulator. I was choosing TAB as the 'reset button', but ended using BACKSPACE. Besides there is a version of these emulators in the ports (for X), in case somebody want a console (hacked) version, the url is: http://fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br/~paulo -- Don't get suckered in by the comments -- they can be terribly misleading. Debug only code. -- Dave Storer From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 03:38:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA10127 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:38:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10092; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:38:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA19626; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:39:13 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:39:12 -0800 Message-ID: <19622.886160352@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" http://www.toshiba.com/tais/csd/products/portable/tecra/featured/index.htm And it's sort of sad because this is the kind of *high end* laptop you'd like to see more FreeBSD users using. Unfortunately, according to one BETA tester, he can't even get FreeBSD to recognise the serial ports on the thing much less the more complex peripherals. In fact, it seems to hold the current record for the most things that don't work under FreeBSD on a single machine. :-) Anyone have any clues about getting one of these beasties to work? Do the Nomads have any plans for it? Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 03:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12303 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:50:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakky.dyn.ml.org (lee@ppp-25-8.tidalwave.net [208.220.25.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12298 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lee@wakky.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from lee@localhost) by wakky.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA08989; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:49:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980130064953.15220@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:49:53 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <19622.886160352@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19622.886160352@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:39:12AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:39:12AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > http://www.toshiba.com/tais/csd/products/portable/tecra/featured/index.htm > And it's sort of sad because this is the kind of *high end* laptop > you'd like to see more FreeBSD users using. Unfortunately, according > to one BETA tester, he can't even get FreeBSD to recognise the serial > ports on the thing much less the more complex peripherals. In fact, > it seems to hold the current record for the most things that don't > work under FreeBSD on a single machine. :-) Toshiba laptops suck in other ways, too, at least the Satellites do...they have slower-than-usual PCMCIA buses, which cramps performance if you're using, say, a PCMCIA hard drive or an encryption token. -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | hcremean (at) vt.edu FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://wakky.dyn.ml.org/~lee | finger me for geek code From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 03:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12888 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12882 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:51:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA19723; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:51:38 -0800 (PST) To: lcremean@tidalwave.net cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:49:53 EST." <19980130064953.15220@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:51:37 -0800 Message-ID: <19719.886161097@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Toshiba laptops suck in other ways, too, at least the Satellites do...they > have slower-than-usual PCMCIA buses, which cramps performance if you're > using, say, a PCMCIA hard drive or an encryption token. Perhaps so, but it's also sorta not the point - we're supposed to be able to work on anything. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 04:04:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15111 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:04:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15093 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: (from arg@localhost) by arg1.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00590; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:07:25 GMT Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:06:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: Brian Somers cc: dmaddox@scsn.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License In-Reply-To: <199801300203.CAA26796@awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > I'm not sure that this is the correct question either. > > The rfc seems to indicate to me that they are not willing to give > their software away without at least an NDA. That in itself is not a > problem if they're willing to tell us (or me) how to implement the > algorithm (and don't place any restrictions on that knowledge). If > they were willing to do this, I would have thought it would already > be explained in the rfc. Unfortunately it isn't. Are you sure? The RFC implies that the information it contains, plus the information in ANSI X3.241-1994 is a complete definition of the protocol. > We need to ask them if they will give us enough knowledge to > implement STAC compression *without* an NDA, without any licensing > requirements and so that the resulting code can be distributed with > FreeBSD for the world to see and use without restriction on that > usage. This `knowledge' may be in source code form already or it > may be a spec.... > > Feel free to give 'em my name, although I'm no expert on copyrights. I suspect the issue may be one of Patent licencing rather than copyright. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 04:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18251 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18244 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@korin.warman.org.pl) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17361; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:21:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:21:07 +0100 (CET) From: Charlie ROOT To: Kraft Jeremy cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small problem... In-Reply-To: <199801290320.VAA19699@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Kraft Jeremy wrote: > Hello, > I have a small problem here, maybe some of you can be of great help. > I work for a local ISP, and we're about to start doing some work > for a weather station. We need to take input from a video camera, > and somehow get it to take shots every say, 10 seconds, save it into > the (preferably UNIX) machine. The purpose for this: They already Be it "small", "a small" or even "BIG" problem - who cares as long as it's a real problem ;-)) Anyway, could you please post or email me directly if something develops out of it? I'm also very interested in similar setup... TIA Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 04:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18896 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18887 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:22:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.63]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA120; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:20:44 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA00701; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:22:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980130072203.20698@scsn.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:22:03 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: John Kelly Cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: STAC vs. the BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: John Kelly , Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> <34d17a26.10132893@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <34d17a26.10132893@mail.cetlink.net>; from John Kelly on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 07:11:02AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 07:11:02AM +0000, John Kelly wrote: > I don't think the STAC people will accept that. > > Nevertheless, you should still be able to implement a STAC routine > which would be called by PPP and PPPD. The trick will be modifying > PPP and PPPD to optionally call STAC when it's present on the machine, > without disturbing any users who don't have it on their machine. > > Just because one function or module has a BSD copyright doesn't mean > every module it calls is contaminated with the same. You can have a > different copyright and license on the called STAC code you port. > > The boundary line separating the copyright/license is the call > interface. That's been a generally accepted principle for a long > time. Code like a STAC port which is not BSD copyrighted won't be > included in the base distribution, but that's not your objective > anyway, presumably. Actually, that _was_ my original objective, but the prospects look more and more bleak with each message in this thread :-( In any case, at this point, I will be happy to get STAC into FBSD in any form or fashion that I can. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 04:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20044 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:30:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (rfiXH2z3GLs1IkA1SjczMGFxFEhLaGo1@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA20038 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:30:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from ash2.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.16.30] ([H+oz1gTTGsHcx6XoF5IgMDUy4yC2xh7N]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xyFZL-0007Z9-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:29:16 +0000 Received: from njs3 by ash2.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xyFXk-0001Qm-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:36 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-))" (Jan 29, 5:12pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Jan 29, 5:12pm, "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: } Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) > And where's Java's curses based interface so that all those folks > installing FreeBSD from serial consoles can still do so? > > A) There aren't enough of those people to matter, because there > are - most ISPs who really know what they're doing have rack- > mounted their PCs long ago and do not have VGA monitors or > > B) That we should do two interfaces, one for each group, because > that requires too much duplication of effort. We can't even That depends on how you approach it, you could have an X based interactive installation program and a script driven automatic installation, if you do it right they can both share a lot of the code. Niall From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 04:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21140 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from sos@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21133; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801301238.EAA21133@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <19719.886161097@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 30, 98 03:51:37 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:38:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: lcremean@tidalwave.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > Toshiba laptops suck in other ways, too, at least the Satellites do...they > > have slower-than-usual PCMCIA buses, which cramps performance if you're > > using, say, a PCMCIA hard drive or an encryption token. > > Perhaps so, but it's also sorta not the point - we're supposed to be > able to work on anything. :-( Hmm got any sponsors for a new laptop ?? :) Søren From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 04:46:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA22878 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:46:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA22869 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:46:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04311; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:08:54 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801301238.XAA04311@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: lcremean@tidalwave.net cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:49:53 CDT." <19980130064953.15220@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:08:53 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > And it's sort of sad because this is the kind of *high end* laptop > > you'd like to see more FreeBSD users using. Unfortunately, according > > to one BETA tester, he can't even get FreeBSD to recognise the serial > > ports on the thing much less the more complex peripherals. In fact, > > it seems to hold the current record for the most things that don't > > work under FreeBSD on a single machine. :-) > > Toshiba laptops suck in other ways, too, at least the Satellites do...they > have slower-than-usual PCMCIA buses, which cramps performance if you're > using, say, a PCMCIA hard drive or an encryption token. Hmm, I haven't noticed that with this unit (a 220CDS); I happily get ~1MB/sec over my NE2000 clone. OTOH, I'm faster with a pencil that the disk in it; not sure where the bottleneck is there. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 05:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA24862 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA24856 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0xyG54-0032t5C; Fri, 30 Jan 98 14:02 MET Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:21:31 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #2 built 1997-Feb-8) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:20:35 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-Reply-To: <199801300910.TAA03753@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 30, 98 07:40:41 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:20:35 +0100 (CET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Mike Smith wrote: > > > FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it > > > causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. > > > Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( > > > > I hope you know that it will then be impossible to install and operate > > FreeBSD on HP3725/28/etc. disks. > > At last, a reason. OK, so get someone with one of these disks and a > Sony DDS drive and let them work out what to do. 8) HP DDS drives work well. So where do i get a Sony from ? hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 05:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26839 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26833; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:22:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04418; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:45:38 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801301315.XAA04418@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), lcremean@tidalwave.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:38:01 -0800." <199801301238.EAA21133@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:45:38 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA26834 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > > Toshiba laptops suck in other ways, too, at least the Satellites do...they > > > have slower-than-usual PCMCIA buses, which cramps performance if you're > > > using, say, a PCMCIA hard drive or an encryption token. > > > > Perhaps so, but it's also sorta not the point - we're supposed to be > > able to work on anything. :-( > > Hmm got any sponsors for a new laptop ?? :) First call, if the original plaintiff is in a position to pop the hood on the offending unit, it would be interesting to know whether this is another all-custom Toshiba unit. Or if we can arrange a loaner for a week or two... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 05:24:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27241 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27216 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04433; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:46:55 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801301316.XAA04433@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hm@kts.org cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:20:35 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:46:55 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it > > > > causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. > > > > Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( > > > > > > I hope you know that it will then be impossible to install and operate > > > FreeBSD on HP3725/28/etc. disks. > > > > At last, a reason. OK, so get someone with one of these disks and a > > Sony DDS drive and let them work out what to do. 8) > > HP DDS drives work well. So where do i get a Sony from ? Er, Sony, I would expect. At least here, they know where their distributors are. I can confirm we have problems with the SDT-5000 and 5500 units that we've deployed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 05:32:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29355 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:32:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29344 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:32:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.13]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA198; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:30:30 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA00347; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:31:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980130083149.48975@scsn.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:31:49 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Andrew Gordon , Brian Somers Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Gordon , Brian Somers , hackers@freebsd.org References: <199801300203.CAA26796@awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Gordon on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:06:49PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:06:49PM +0000, Andrew Gordon wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > > I'm not sure that this is the correct question either. > > > > The rfc seems to indicate to me that they are not willing to give > > their software away without at least an NDA. That in itself is not a > > problem if they're willing to tell us (or me) how to implement the > > algorithm (and don't place any restrictions on that knowledge). If > > they were willing to do this, I would have thought it would already > > be explained in the rfc. Unfortunately it isn't. > > Are you sure? The RFC implies that the information it contains, plus the > information in ANSI X3.241-1994 is a complete definition of the protocol. This seems to be right... Anybody have access to ANSI X3.241-1994? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 05:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01925 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from db2server.voga.com.br (db2server.voga.com.br [200.239.39.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01099 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:43:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel_sobral@voga.com.br) From: daniel_sobral@voga.com.br Received: from papagaio.voga.com.br (papagaio.voga.com.br [200.239.39.2]) by db2server.voga.com.br (8.8.3+2.6Wbeta9/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA17594 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:42:54 -0200 Received: by papagaio.voga.com.br(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.7 3-18-1997)) id 0325659C.0050C5EE ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:42:15 -0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOGA To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <8325659C.0048FCF4.00@papagaio.voga.com.br> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:18:55 -0300 Subject: Kernel processes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Some time ago, when I asked about tsleep()ing in the kernel, someone told me to use a kernel process as backing process. I now need to take a closer look into this option. What source files do that? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel_Sobral@voga.com.br Tagline: * FreeBSD. Earth. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 06:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04341 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from db2server.voga.com.br (db2server.voga.com.br [200.239.39.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04245 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel_sobral@voga.com.br) From: daniel_sobral@voga.com.br Received: from papagaio.voga.com.br (papagaio.voga.com.br [200.239.39.2]) by db2server.voga.com.br (8.8.3+2.6Wbeta9/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA17580 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:01:48 -0200 Received: by papagaio.voga.com.br(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.7 3-18-1997)) id 0325659C.00528E71 ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:01:44 -0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOGA To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <8325659C.005134CF.00@papagaio.voga.com.br> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:01:38 -0300 Subject: Admin GUI tool (was: RE: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs YOU . :-)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Just to put in my two cents... > > If you want to start writing a nifty GUI admin tool, > then great. The admin tools that come with AIX are > supposed to be well worth it. (Not having used AIX > I can't confirm/deny this assertion.) Since I do work with AIX, daily, I'll comment on this. There are two tools, in fact. SMIT, which is a text-based, menu-driven admin tool gone graphical (at good job at that, but still a _text_ tool at it's heart) and VSM. Now, VSM is very nice looking, but it is _not_ intuitive. I suppose that one can be bothered to learn it to the point of it being easy to use. IBM people stick to SMIT. Now, there *is* innovation at AIX 4.3, which I have yet to see, including web-based SMIT (which would probably work just fine, since SMIT interface, being text-based at heart, would do fine at web) and remote management of other vendors workstations (ie, HP, DEC, Sun, etc, though I don't know exactly which). Maybe we can talk IBM into doing remote SMIT for FreeBSD??? :-) Now, I have worked _two days_ on HP-UX 10.20, and it's GUI admin tool, SAM, kicked the hell out of SMIT and VSM. It's not as graphical as VSM. Actually, it's not graphical at all, in the sense VSM is. But it was designed with *graphical* interfaces in mind, so it's much more intuitive to use (than smit), even though it can be run on text mode too (and I did it, and it was fine). Well, I *do* have a point here. Don't overdo it. Don't let the graphical interface get in the way, because admin usually have a job to get done, and are not really that much interested in exploring how you represent things graphically. And I think that is even more true in the FreeBSD niche. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel_Sobral@voga.com.br Tagline: * FreeBSD. Earth. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 06:15:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06630 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06619; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id BAA08056; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:14:55 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980131011455.04660@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:14:55 +1100 From: David Dawes To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. References: <19622.886160352@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19622.886160352@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:39:12AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:39:12AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >http://www.toshiba.com/tais/csd/products/portable/tecra/featured/index.htm > >And it's sort of sad because this is the kind of *high end* laptop >you'd like to see more FreeBSD users using. Unfortunately, according >to one BETA tester, he can't even get FreeBSD to recognise the serial >ports on the thing much less the more complex peripherals. In fact, >it seems to hold the current record for the most things that don't >work under FreeBSD on a single machine. :-) > >Anyone have any clues about getting one of these beasties to work? >Do the Nomads have any plans for it? Thanks! One of our (XFree86's) S3 driver experts has one of these and is working on support for the ViRGE/MX chip it uses. He is running Linux on it. I know that someone else is running Solaris 2.6 on one. I think they've setup a mailing list for discussing this laptop. Ah, yes, here are the details: ]]To subscribe to the Tecra/Linux list, for discussion of issues and ]]problems in using Linux on Tecra laptops (I'm leaving it open to all ]]tecras for now, since I think most are common problems along the whole ]]product line, and certain model-specific problems are already handled by ]]their own list (like this here one!)), send mail to ]]majordomo@cse.ogi.edu, with the body (don't bother with a subject): ]] ]] ]] subscribe tecra-linux my-email-address BTW, I have no personal interest in Toshiba or these laptops, and have never seen or used one myself. I'd just like to see XFree86 support as much hardware as possible, including the ViRGE/MX chipset :-). David From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 07:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16425 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16418; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:32:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12027; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:36:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980130103616.18784@vmunix.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:36:16 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Kraft Jeremy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Video capture [was:Re: small problem...] References: <199801290320.VAA19699@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199801290320.VAA19699@pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com>; from Kraft Jeremy on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 09:25:49PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 09:25:49PM -0600, Kraft Jeremy wrote: > Hello, > I have a small problem here, maybe some of you can be of great help. > I work for a local ISP, and we're about to start doing some work > for a weather station. We need to take input from a video camera, > and somehow get it to take shots every say, 10 seconds, save it into > the (preferably UNIX) machine. The purpose for this: They already > have a "weather cam" that is hooked up, and shows on the nightly news, > (6 and 10pm) -- they (and we) want to stick this "weather cam" online. > > If any of you know of anything that can do this, it would be greatly > appreciated. You can either just mail me personally, or here. I'd say ask on -multemedia . My guess would be to stick a Haupage WinTV card in the box and plop a "normal" video camera feed into it, and take a snapshot every once and a while (I think there are programs already developed that will do this). Just throw the result to a file and everytime the web page is opened you'll have theupdated picture.. I also remember someone else doing pretty much the exact same thing.. you may want to search the archives.. -Mark > > Thank you, > > Jeremy Kraft, Network Administrator > http://pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com/~std/ > flydaddy@pimpin.bigbotyhoes.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 07:59:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21697 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:59:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21604; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirk.vangulik@jrc.it) Received: from mda00.jrc.it (mda00.jrc.it [139.191.7.10]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with ESMTP id QAA11145; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:59:00 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dirkx@localhost) by mda00.jrc.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25435; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:59:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:58:53 +0100 (CET) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik X-Sender: dirkx@mda00.jrc.it To: Mark Mayo cc: Kraft Jeremy , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Video capture [was:Re: small problem...] In-Reply-To: <19980130103616.18784@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > My guess would be to stick a Haupage WinTV card in the box and plop > a "normal" video camera feed into it, and take a snapshot every > once and a while (I think there are programs already developed > that will do this). Just throw the result to a file and everytime > the web page is opened you'll have theupdated picture.. > > I also remember someone else doing pretty much the exact same > thing.. you may want to search the archives.. Yup, we do it much the same way (see vr.jrc.it -> entertainment); another touch is using efficient push, as in orbits.ceo.org. There are pointers to the code. Dw. > -Mark > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Jeremy Kraft, Network Administrator > > http://pimpin.bigbootyhoes.com/~std/ > > flydaddy@pimpin.bigbotyhoes.com > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com > RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark > > finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to > an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, > written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 08:02:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22251 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22213 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0xyItG-00331VC; Fri, 30 Jan 98 17:02 MET Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:39:57 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #2 built 1997-Feb-8) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:39:01 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-Reply-To: <199801301316.XAA04433@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 30, 98 11:46:55 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:39:01 +0100 (CET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Mike Smith wrote: > > HP DDS drives work well. So where do i get a Sony from ? > > Er, Sony, I would expect. At least here, they know where their > distributors are. Hey, are they giving it away for free now to fix FreeBSD drivers or are you suggesting to buy a second DDS drive ? ;-) hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 08:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24728 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24698; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19119; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA15761; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:15:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:15:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199801301615.JAA15761@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <199801301238.EAA21133@hub.freebsd.org> References: <19719.886161097@time.cdrom.com> <199801301238.EAA21133@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" sos@freebsd.org writes: > In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > > Toshiba laptops suck in other ways, too, at least the Satellites do...they > > > have slower-than-usual PCMCIA buses, which cramps performance if you're > > > using, say, a PCMCIA hard drive or an encryption token. > > > > Perhaps so, but it's also sorta not the point - we're supposed to be > > able to work on anything. :-( > > Hmm got any sponsors for a new laptop ?? :) Hey, me first. Mine died, and work isn't going to replace it anytime soon. :( (I actually want the IBM ThinkPad 560X box. 4lbs, 12.1" TFT, 233-P5.) The only thing that box is missing is 1024x768, which I can live w/out for having a 4lb box. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 08:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27868 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from LOCUTUS.ADM.RL.AF.MIL (LOCUTUS.ADM.RL.AF.MIL [128.132.129.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27839 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:35:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greenc@rl.af.mil) Received: from rl.af.mil (HEPHAESTUS.IWT.RL.AF.MIL [128.132.46.34]) by LOCUTUS.ADM.RL.AF.MIL (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08824 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:34:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D2015F.60A107C5@rl.af.mil> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:35:43 -0500 From: Charles Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sending messages from a lkm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I have an unusual question, I've written a loadable kernel module and I would like to be able to pass messages from the lkm to an external application. What would the most efficient way of doing this be? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 08:58:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02097 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02087 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xyJlm-0002WE-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:58:22 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA26173 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:58:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199801301658.JAA26173@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Recompiling just kmem programs? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:58:21 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Is there some easy way to recompile just those programs that grovel around in the kernel's data structures w/o a make world? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 09:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04406 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (root@elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04317; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:10:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from ponds.dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA20055; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by ponds.dignus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29081; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) id KAA29212; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:50:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:50:32 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199801301550.KAA29212@lakes.dignus.com> To: mark@vmunix.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit Cc: config@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, kpielorz@tdx.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Mark Mayo writes: > > On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 01:06:33PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > > It has been decided that FreeBSD could do with a 'replacement' to sysinstall, > > > preferably something graphical, and 'portable'. We have a choice of 3 > > > alternatives, > [SNIP] > > > 2. We write something that will maintain FreeBSD - again with emphasis on ease > > > of use, but including portability (i.e. we want to be able to run this from > > > Windows, other Unix platforms, Alpha workstations, X-servers etc. This is more > > > akin to the Admin tools for something like SCO OpenDesktop etc. - but done > > > properly ;-) > > > > Here you lump together a great number of iterrelated issues. I don't > > think that you're really thought this one through. Terry is much > > closer to the mark with his summary, which comes reasonably close to > > condensing most of the conclusions that've been reached over the years. > > I agree. > > > Bottom line: LDAP is the way to go, however we do it. It is the > > distributed parametric database system that we basically need. > > Once again, I agree. As I mentioned before, I've played with the idea > of a FreeBSD management system in the past, but never had the time to > implement one. I'm not really that interested in writing something that > can be used to install the system - more like something to manage it > effectively when it's up and running. For me, this means a GUI of > some sort, ultimately. IMHO, installing the system and admining it > are two distinct tasks (at least from the user point of view) and > shouldn't necessarily have the same limitations/conditions... > > Background, which will lead to a proposal: > (sorry this is long, but it will be > necesary to establish the motives behind > the proposal....) Ok - just to provide more information on my questionable LDAP reference a while back: The article comes from Computer Reseller News, and is titled: VARs cite LDAP woes -- De factor standard is not enough to ease interoperability snafus. You should be able to find it by looking for LDAP references at http://www.crn.com or http://www.varbiz.com I'm not necessarily suggesting LDAP is "bad" - just providing information... - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 09:11:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04551 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (root@elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04326 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:10:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from ponds.dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA20126; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by ponds.dignus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29051; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) id KAA29091; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:28:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199801301528.KAA29091@lakes.dignus.com> To: mike@smith.net.au, tlambert@primenet.com Subject: Re: WebAdmin Cc: capriotti0@hotmail.com, capriotti@geocities.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, joe.shevland@horizonti.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Well - just a heads' up on the LDAP issue. Computer Reseller News (www.crn.com) just published a lead article indicating LDAP is soon to be dead... People are finding it to be too ill defined producing too much incompatibility. Based solely on that article, since that's all I know - I'd suggest staying away from LDAP until a presumed newer definition materializes. - Dave Rivers - > > I've been waiting for people to actually move this discussion to the > -config mailing list, which is where it belongs. I've also avoided > weighing in because I haven't heard anything new yet. > > > This would all be a lot easier if all FreeBSD configuration information > > went to one place, and was accessed via one set of methods. Perhaps > > the LDAP methods, which are freely downloadable from the NetScape > > developer resources page at www.netscape.com? > > I'm not sure if I like these yet. > > > The massive number of FreeBSD databases need not change for this to > > work. FreeBSD could keep its fear of change and its proliferation > > of hundreds of incompatible text file and database formats, if it > > wanted to. You can write any LDAP back end you want to, including > > one that would allow you register multiple databases to manage > > various parts of the LDAP tree. > > Yes. Funnily enough, I have been looking at making the 'juliet' tool > work as a backend for the umich SLAPD LDAP daemon. > > The real gotcha with this is security; SLAPD's security is relatively > poor. > > Oh, and getting people to accept DNs, which aren't the nicest things to > read or write. > > > Finally, for boot and local usage, you would probably want to implement > > a native access to the LDAP methods. This would let you directly > > access the database data, instead of requiring that you get your net > > up before you can set up your net (catch 22). > > It wouldn't be hard to use a unix-domain socket for this. Start the > LDAP server early enough and you're in business. > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 09:41:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12222 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12217 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA02623 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:41:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA14698; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:41:18 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd hackers Subject: [Elliot Lee ] Re: problems compiling obgtk under freebsd Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Fri_Jan_30_11:41:18_1998-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: stephen farrell Date: 30 Jan 1998 11:41:18 -0600 Message-ID: <87d8h9oo5d.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 51 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" --Multipart_Fri_Jan_30_11:41:18_1998-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII So I'm having trouble compiling elliot lee's gtk/objective c bindings which are used in the gnome project. The problem is with the linker, which, I'm sure, is in fact buggy as elliot points out below (b/c I've had about 1,000,000 compiles with libtool tell me so =). I'm sure this is all debatable... but the point is that elliot is being a jerk as is evidenced below and probably won't lift a finger to make his code portable. Can someone give me a hint as to how to fix the problem--hopefully he'll at least incorperate some patches! Thanks freebsd-2.2.5-stable, btw --Multipart_Fri_Jan_30_11:41:18_1998-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:13:21 -0500 (EST) From: Elliot Lee To: stephen farrell Subject: Re: problems compiling obgtk under freebsd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 30 Jan 1998, stephen farrell wrote: > Hi--I'm having trouble compiling obgtk (latest cvs update from gnome) > under freebsd. IN particular, ld throws the following error: > > /usr/bin/ld -Bshareable -o .libs/libobgtk.so.0.0 -lgtk -lgdk -lglib -lm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lSM -lICE -lX11 -lXext -lSM -lICE -lc /usr/lib/c++rt0.o > ld: internal error: RRS relocs exceed allocation 4 Sounds to me like ld is buggy. I use Linux, which does ELF, so no problems. -- Elliot http://www.redhat.com/ "The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." -- Bill Gates from "The Road Ahead," p. 265. --Multipart_Fri_Jan_30_11:41:18_1998-1-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 10:14:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18582 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakky.dyn.ml.org (lee@ppp-25-8.tidalwave.net [208.220.25.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18498 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lee@wakky.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from lee@localhost) by wakky.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA09848; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:13:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980130131352.29307@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:13:52 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans To: stephen farrell Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Elliot Lee ] Re: problems compiling obgtk under freebsd Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <87d8h9oo5d.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <87d8h9oo5d.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu>; from stephen farrell on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:41:18AM -0600 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:41:18AM -0600, stephen farrell wrote: > > So I'm having trouble compiling elliot lee's gtk/objective c bindings > which are used in the gnome project. The problem is with the linker, > which, I'm sure, is in fact buggy as elliot points out below (b/c I've > had about 1,000,000 compiles with libtool tell me so =). Are the object files being produced with the -fPIC -DPIC switches to GCC? You need them in FreeBSD to produce shareable (position-independent) code, since we don't use ELF (yet). Also, I've gotten the "relinking on behalf of you buggy system linker" messages from libtool lots of times (I believe it has to do with the way we do dlopen() and friends), but as long as -fPIC is on, that shouldn't matter. -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | hcremean (at) vt.edu FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://wakky.dyn.ml.org/~lee | finger me for geek code From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 10:27:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21347 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21332; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:27:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15481; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd015459; Fri Jan 30 11:27:20 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06335; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:27:15 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801301827.LAA06335@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Descent Sources To: kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801300717.AAA29832@bootp.sls.usu.edu> from "Kurt Olsen" at Jan 30, 98 00:17:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > What about this from the man page: > > void VGLSetPalette(byte *red, byte *green, byte *blue) > > This function sets the palette used, the arguments red, green, blue > should point to byte arrays of 256 positions each. > > and > > void VGLSetPaletteIndex(byte color, byte red, byte green, byte blue) > > Set the palette index color to the specified RGB value. > > > - No keyboard support. (The Linux svgalib seems to support calling a > > user-supplied keyboard handler on interrupt. This is unspeakably > > bogus if true.) > > VGL needs a little adjustment to it's keyboard init function to > really support games. In the raw and code modes the tty code in > the kernel filters out all TABs, 'u's and a couple of others (at > least I think it's the tty.) I have a few lines of code I put into > doom to make it work under VGL. Let me know if you are interested. It seems to me that it would be worthwhile to support DCI; apart from the ability to use Windows 95 drivers for video cards and acceleration functions, I mean. I think it would mean that you would be able to support the necessary functions for most commercial games, and that would be a plus (note: games like this tend toward minimal use of system interfaces -- system interfaces are too low). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 10:37:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23574 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from db2server.voga.com.br (db2server.voga.com.br [200.239.39.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23489 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel_sobral@voga.com.br) From: daniel_sobral@voga.com.br Received: from papagaio.voga.com.br (papagaio.voga.com.br [200.239.39.2]) by db2server.voga.com.br (8.8.3+2.6Wbeta9/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21972 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:32:24 -0200 Received: by papagaio.voga.com.br(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.7 3-18-1997)) id 0325659C.0065D55A ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:32:17 -0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOGA To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <8325659C.00658175.00@papagaio.voga.com.br> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:32:12 -0300 Subject: Fairings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > p.s. we need to make a BSD daemon picture featuring some fairings > in some way! > (I mean, "don't expect fairings!") Put chuck on a bike, no fairing (of course), next to a sign with a fairing crossed (like a no parking sign). -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel_Sobral@voga.com.br Tagline: * FreeBSD. Earth. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 11:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27922 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27724; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:05:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08782; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199801301905.LAA08782@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 to: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Patrick Gardella , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, java-port@mt.sri.com (Java Port), jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: JDK 1.1.5 port for FreeBSD 2.2.x In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:28:34 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:05:31 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Say who can add a Java Web Page link to www.freebsd.org ? Tnks, Amancio > We can just move it there. That was the intent all along. > > Patrick > > (P.S. I don't have the authority to log into hub, so someone else will need to > do it!) > > On 30-Jan-98 Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > Care to add an http pointer to our new java web page ? 8) > > > > on wwww.freebsd.org > > Java Applications Support Doucumnation .... > > > > If anyone has any corrections now is a good time to raise them. > > > > Tnks, > > Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 11:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02714 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.68.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02706 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:40:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelr@cisco.com) Received: from keeska-mr (keeskas.cisco.com [171.71.68.200]) by pita.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09241; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:38:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005d01bd2db6$316803c0$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com> From: "Michael Reilly" To: , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:35:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I missed the beginning of this thread but did follow the link to the Tecra 750. I am running FreeBSD on my Tecra 740. Everything works (even a 16 bit per pixel XFree86 server @ 1024x768)) except for the 3com 3c589. I booted FreeBSD and the NVRAM in the card was destroyed but that is another story. I am using an IBM Ethernet card without problems. What is different about the Tecra 750 that prevents FreeBSD from running on it? michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 11:41:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02897 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:41:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from db2server.voga.com.br (db2server.voga.com.br [200.239.39.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02475 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel_sobral@voga.com.br) From: daniel_sobral@voga.com.br Received: from papagaio.voga.com.br (papagaio.voga.com.br [200.239.39.2]) by db2server.voga.com.br (8.8.3+2.6Wbeta9/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA20856 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:12:00 -0200 Received: by papagaio.voga.com.br(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.7 3-18-1997)) id 0325659C.006EF616 ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:11:59 -0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOGA To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <8325659C.006CFFB1.00@papagaio.voga.com.br> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:11:55 -0300 Subject: Re: TRUSS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > truss *may* cause problems, timing wise -- the > target process is stopped until it is restarted, > and that may be a problem in your case. > Without more information, I can't quite say, > I'm afraid. Oops. Sorry. I have talked quite a bit about the driver last two weeks, so I ended up forgetting the context. This is an encryption card. The test program works like this: write(known-string) read(encrypted-string) write(encrypted-string) read(decrypted-string> Now, when the device receive a write() call, it moves the data to a buffer, starts the encryption/decryption through a timeout() call, and returns. Read() will wait until all data is converted, and then move it back from the buffer. In the test program, read() will always block, and will be wakeup()ed by the crypt() process, called by timeout(). So, what does crypt() do? Well, read a byte, write it to the device, read back from the device, store it, update pointers. It is actually a big switch() statement (dfa), because it will often have to timeout() itself again and return, since the device is very slow. Read() does have some critical regions (race conditions against crypt()), "solved" through splsoftclock(). Last of all, it happens that the decrypted-string will only differ on one of the modes (turbo). No matter what mode I test first, it will always be that mode the one to fail. Which is a strong hint that my code may be, in fact, buggy. I only asked because I don't know truss, I'm not sure if I can truss it (okay, bad pun, but you used it first on Dr. Dobbs!). I see only two possibilities (of the blame being with truss): corruption of either read() or write() data (extremely unlikely), or screwing up issues with splsoftclock(). Is it possible that truss screws up with splsoftclock() and, thus, the race condition get triggered on the turbo mode? I'll gather _much_ more data on this problem when I get back home, but, for now, the only data I can gather is more information on truss, from this list... :-) Happily, it seems that the author of truss actually subscribes to it, and it's indeed a very nice person... :-) Btw, if you're going to cc the message to me (or reply to me and cc to -hackers), please cc also to dcs@gns.com.br. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel_Sobral@voga.com.br Tagline: * FreeBSD. Earth. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 11:57:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05579 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:57:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05560 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:57:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20754; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA17366; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199801301957.MAA17366@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recompiling just kmem programs? In-Reply-To: <199801301658.JAA26173@harmony.village.org> References: <199801301658.JAA26173@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Is there some easy way to recompile just those programs that grovel > around in the kernel's data structures w/o a make world? # cd /usr/src/lib/libkvm # make obj && make depend && make && make install # /usr/src/bin # fgrep lkvm */Makefile ps/Makefile:LDADD= -lm -lkvm # cd ps # make obj && make depend && make && make install # cd ../sbin # fgrep lkvm */Makefile ccdconfig/Makefile:LDADD+= -lkvm dmesg/Makefile:LDADD= -lkvm dset/Makefile:LDADD= -lkvm # cd ccdconfig # make obj && make depend && make && make install # cd dmesg # make obj && make depend && make && make install # cd dset # make obj && make depend && make && make install Tada, after you reboot the stuff using the shared libkvm files will be updated, and the static stuff is updated already. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07107 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.68.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07092 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelr@cisco.com) Received: from keeska-mr (keeskas.cisco.com [171.71.68.200]) by pita.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA09776 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:06:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00e501bd2dba$1c920320$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com> From: "Michael Reilly" To: Subject: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:03:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I found a thread concerning 3com's 3c589 card and FreeBSD dating back to 1995. I tried sending Email to the authors of the messages but haven't received any responses so I'll try here. I ran the diagnostics on my 3com 3c589 card to set the IRQ and I/O port (10, 0x300) and then booted FreeBSD. The card was not found. I then tried running the card's diagnostics again only to discover that the card now had an error in the NVRAM (CIS memory corrupt according to the diagnostics). The previous thread referenced a program, CHECKCIS.EXE which could be used to correct this problem but I cannot find that program. Can anyone tell me how to 1) correct the CIS memory corrupt problem and, 2) get this card to work under FreeBSD? I am currently using a borrowed IBM Ethernet card which works fine but I need to return the IBM card soon. Thanks, michael P.S. Windows NT works fine with the card - it doesn't complain about the corrupt CIS memory and it finds the card. ---- ---- ---- Michael Reilly michaelr@cisco.com Cisco Systems, Santa Cruz, CA From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07316 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07311 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA03301; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:08:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA26027; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:08:25 -0600 (CST) To: lcremean@tidalwave.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Elliot Lee ] Re: problems compiling obgtk under freebsd References: <87d8h9oo5d.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> <19980130131352.29307@wakky.dyn.ml.org> From: stephen farrell Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:08:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: Lee Cremeans's message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:13:52 -0500" Message-ID: <873ei5ohc7.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Lee Cremeans writes: > On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:41:18AM -0600, stephen farrell wrote: > > > > So I'm having trouble compiling elliot lee's gtk/objective c bindings > > which are used in the gnome project. The problem is with the linker, > > which, I'm sure, is in fact buggy as elliot points out below (b/c I've > > had about 1,000,000 compiles with libtool tell me so =). > > Are the object files being produced with the -fPIC -DPIC switches to GCC? > You need them in FreeBSD to produce shareable (position-independent) code, > since we don't use ELF (yet). Also, I've gotten the "relinking on behalf of > you buggy system linker" messages from libtool lots of times (I believe it > has to do with the way we do dlopen() and friends), but as long as -fPIC is > on, that shouldn't matter. I'm pretty sure that they are. All of the gtk stuff is compiled this way, and I assume (??) that when you make XFree86 in ports that these flags are set. -- Steve Farrell From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:12:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08259 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:12:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from db2server.voga.com.br (db2server.voga.com.br [200.239.39.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07035 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:07:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel_sobral@voga.com.br) From: daniel_sobral@voga.com.br Received: from papagaio.voga.com.br (papagaio.voga.com.br [200.239.39.2]) by db2server.voga.com.br (8.8.3+2.6Wbeta9/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA15562 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:45:45 -0200 Received: by papagaio.voga.com.br(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.7 3-18-1997)) id 0325659C.00720B81 ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:45:40 -0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VOGA To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <8325659C.0071D200.00@papagaio.voga.com.br> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:45:36 -0300 Subject: TRUSS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" While I still might want to hear what you have to say in regard to my previous message (and questions), I almost certainly found the bug, in _my_ code. Just a matter of testing the new version against truss... -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel_Sobral@voga.com.br Tagline: * FreeBSD. Earth. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:20:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09668 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from webserver.smginc.com (webserver.smginc.com [204.170.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09644; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com ([204.170.177.4]) by webserver.smginc.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13723) with SMTP id AAA192; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:21:52 -0500 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <34D25FB6@smginc.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 98 15:18:14 PST From: Adam Turoff To: "'mike@smith.net.au'" , Karl Pielorz Cc: hackers , config Subject: RE: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 15:19:00 PST Message-ID: <34D25FB6@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Mike writes: > > 1. We write something that will 'install' FreeBSD with emphasis on ease of > > use, size, and the fact it will run very nicely on FreeBSD and let people > > install it (I hate to use the words 'Like windows 95'). > > Get over it. Microsoft spent gobs of money coming up with a set of > rules that result in an interface that's easy to use. There's nothing > dishonourable in stealing their ideas. After all, they stole most of their ideas, anyway. :-) [bobbit] > > 3. We write something that tries to accomplish both the above, hopefully not > > causing too many compromises. > > This would be a major layering mistake. I don't know about that. There are two interrelated issues here, as you point out. First, we need a virgin installer to get FreeBSD on new hardware. That should leave a system that can be admined by something more friendly than cryptic UNIX commands documented over $100 worth of O'Reilly titles. THAT will help evangelize FreeBSD IMNSHO. Here's the way I see it, as concisely as possible: improve sysinstall, and leave that config available for later allow a system to be reconfiged later with good tools prevent tool-implementation lock in by allowing multiple tools to do the day-to-day admin, local or remote In short, sysinstall and/or it's successor should dovetail nicely with some new config framework, probably using LDAP. > You haven't played with juliet yet: > ftp://ftp.gsoft.com.au/misc/juliet.tar.gz I plead guilt to that charge as well. :-) > The name parsing will probably change in order to fit into the > Distinguished Name schema that LDAP uses, but the basically modular and > method-based design will remain. > > With a little tinkering this will let people write backend modules in > almost any language they like. I know it works with Tcl and C > (although I removed the shared library code for rework), Perl would be > a trivial addition, etc. This is along the lines of what I'm seeing as well. It's just that I tend not to put the letters L, D, A and P together in a sentence. > > SO - Yet again, I'm asking: > > > > a) Who's up for this? > > Yes. Ditto. > > b) How do we get organized? (Divide and conquer always seems to work for me > > ) > > If I may make a suggestion; given that I'm claiming the installer, I > would recommend that you look at the umich LDAP server > (/usr/ports/net/ldap) and juliet, and start making rude remarks about > the module interface for the backend. OK. > Read Netscape's LDAP developer pages, and work out how to talk to an > LDAP server from Netscape. Start thinking (and talking) about how to > tie all this together. OK. I did this in August, and barely made heads or tails out of it. What I got out of it was this: LDAP, like XML and SQL is an enabling standard that makes complex things simpler and more approachable. Is that a good soundbite definition? > And subscribe (and post) to config@freebsd.org. OK. I'll start here. :-) -- Adam. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:26:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10766 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10756 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:26:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA03209; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003207; Fri Jan 30 12:25:49 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA16161; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801302025.MAA16161@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Sending messages from a lkm In-Reply-To: <34D2015F.60A107C5@rl.af.mil> from Charles Green at "Jan 30, 98 11:35:43 am" To: greenc@rl.af.mil (Charles Green) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:25:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Charles Green writes: > I have an unusual question, I've written a loadable kernel > module and I would like to be able to pass messages from > the lkm to an external application. What would the most > efficient way of doing this be? The way that SKIP does it is by creating a new device. Then the user code opens that device (/dev/skip) and does whatever. Check out the SKIP port if interested in the details of how it works: /usr/ports/security/skip. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10968 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heathers2.stdio.com (lile@heathers2.stdio.com [199.89.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10949 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lile@stdio.com) Received: (from lile@localhost) by heathers2.stdio.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20804; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:25:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Larry S. Lile" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fujitsu MO drives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I am looking at getting a Fujitsu DynaMO 640si drive and I was wondering if it will work under FreeBSD. Anybody out there using one? How is it working? Larry lile@stdio.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:34:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12756 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12701 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:34:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benst@terminus.stuyts.nl) Received: from stuyts by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <1612-28739>; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:34:04 +0100 Received: from daneel.stuyts.nl (daneel.stuyts.nl [193.78.231.7]) by terminus.stuyts.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00597; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:27:27 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from benst) Received: (from benst@localhost) by daneel.stuyts.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24286; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:26:57 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801302026.VAA24286@daneel.stuyts.nl> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199801292345.PAA18286@hub.freebsd.org> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ben Stuyts Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 21:26:55 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems cc: timo@timog.prestel.co.uk Reply-To: ben@stuyts.nl References: <199801292345.PAA18286@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I've seen similar problems here on 2.2.5, also with a 24-speed IDE CDROM. On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:16:05 +0000, Timo Geusch wrote: > I just treated myself to a 24x IDE CDROM, and since then I'm encountering the > following problem: > > - - CD spins down because there are no accesses for some time (like it > happens > when you are selecting packages in sysinstall and try to decide what to > install) Same here. > - - When the CDROM is accessed afterwards, it takes some time to get up to > speed; > sometimes it even does not start at all. After hitting a time out, FreeBSD > will report "wcd0: tray open". Same here. > Unfortunately this sometimes seems to cause > an 'emergency' reboot (syncing the discs an immediately reboot). A bit > inconvenient, that is. Haven't seen this one, yet. I don't use that system much though. Best regards, Ben From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14102 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from loki.csc.ncsu.edu (loki.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.213.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14058 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:42:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fwang2@unity.ncsu.edu) Received: from localhost (fwang2@localhost) by loki.csc.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/EC02Jan97) with SMTP id PAA19949; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:42:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: loki.csc.ncsu.edu: fwang2 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: Feiyi Wang X-Sender: fwang2@loki.csc.ncsu.edu To: Michael Reilly cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: <00e501bd2dba$1c920320$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hi, You can use PAO ( FreeBSD Mobile Computing Package) in http://www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO/. There is a version for FreeBSD 2.2.5, it will work. I was always wondering why this package can't be integrated into official distribution of FreeBSD? hope this helps /Feiyi On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Michael Reilly wrote: > I found a thread concerning 3com's 3c589 card and FreeBSD dating back to > 1995. I tried sending Email to the authors of the messages but haven't > received any responses so I'll try here. > > I ran the diagnostics on my 3com 3c589 card to set the IRQ and I/O port (10, > 0x300) and then booted FreeBSD. The card was not found. I then tried > running the card's diagnostics again only to discover that the card now had > an error in the NVRAM (CIS memory corrupt according to the diagnostics). > > The previous thread referenced a program, CHECKCIS.EXE which could be used > to correct this problem but I cannot find that program. > > Can anyone tell me how to 1) correct the CIS memory corrupt problem and, 2) > get this card to work under FreeBSD? > > I am currently using a borrowed IBM Ethernet card which works fine but I > need to return the IBM card soon. > > Thanks, > > michael > > P.S. Windows NT works fine with the card - it doesn't complain about the > corrupt CIS memory and it finds the card. > > ---- ---- ---- > Michael Reilly michaelr@cisco.com > Cisco Systems, Santa Cruz, CA > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14331 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:44:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14185 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:43:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA10022; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:43:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from henrich) Message-ID: <19980130154345.31775@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:43:45 -0500 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: vm_page.c error? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1024/F7 FD C7 3A F5 6A 23 BF 76 C4 B8 C9 6E 41 A4 4F Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Ever since having applied the vm_page.c file from -stable to my 2.2.5 machine, I see every now and then: error in realloc(): warning: junk pointer, too low to make sense. both in inetd and INN... any ideas? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:50:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15677 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15667 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20279 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd020275; Fri Jan 30 12:48:47 1998 Message-ID: <34D23BDD.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:45:17 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The 'dave rivers' momorial panic. References: <34BF4ECF.167EB0E7@whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Julian Elischer wrote: > > I've gone some considerable distance towards tracking down a crash > that seems to resemble the problem dave's been seeing. > > [stuff deleted..] turns out it was a hardware problem.. some IDE chipsets an ddrives were incapable of running on a ribbon cable over about 40cm (16") long. just to make sure this topic is finishd.. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16435 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:53:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16414 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:53:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20008; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd020006; Fri Jan 30 12:40:13 1998 Message-ID: <34D239DA.59E2B600@whistle.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:36:42 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_sobral@voga.com.br CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel processes References: <8325659C.0048FCF4.00@papagaio.voga.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" daniel_sobral@voga.com.br wrote: > > Some time ago, when I asked about tsleep()ing in the kernel, someone told > me to use a kernel process as backing process. I now need to take a closer > look into this option. What source files do that? > > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > Daniel_Sobral@voga.com.br > > Tagline: > * FreeBSD. Earth. look for vfs_update() as an example.. it's started by the stuff at the top of the file. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 12:53:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16483 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:53:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatewayb.anheuser-busch.com (gatewayb.anheuser-busch.com [151.145.250.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16377; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:53:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Matthew.Alton@anheuser-busch.com) Received: by gatewayb.anheuser-busch.com; id OAA20841; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:49:30 -0600 Received: from stlabcexg002.anheuser-busch.com(151.145.101.152) by gatewayb.anheuser-busch.com via smap (3.2) id xma020634; Fri, 30 Jan 98 14:49:15 -0600 Received: by STLABCEXG002 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:52:43 -0600 Message-ID: <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011> From: "Alton, Matthew" To: fs@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Filesystem hacking Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:52:27 -0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I have decided to code up an IBM-style journaling filesystem (jfs) with maximum portability for free unices. While I'm at it I had might as well have the clean-bits map to a PP/extent disk arrangement which will act as a useful abstraction for a Logical Volume Manager / Veritas -esque disk management system which I also find interesting enough to code up. This is not an attempt to morph FreeBSD into AIX by any means. It is just an interesting project which I think may be of use to hackers. This month (02/98) I will explore the GNU HURD OS to see if their goal of creating an OS which would allow me to imple- ment a filesystem in user space has been realized. If it has not, I will use my normal FreeBSD 2.2.2 i386/40 and NetBSD 1.3 Sun 3/50 & 3/80 development boxes. Please let me know if I am duplicating effort and provide me with relevant pointers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 13:26:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24256 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24165; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27845; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:56:22 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA14040; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:56:21 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980131075621.30504@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:56:21 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Serial ports (was: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD) References: <19622.886160352@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19622.886160352@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:39:12AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:39:12AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > http://www.toshiba.com/tais/csd/products/portable/tecra/featured/index.htm > > And it's sort of sad because this is the kind of *high end* laptop > you'd like to see more FreeBSD users using. Unfortunately, according > to one BETA tester, he can't even get FreeBSD to recognise the serial > ports on the thing much less the more complex peripherals. We've just been discussing serial ports. There are a number of newer motherboards on which the serial ports aren't recognized. It would be interesting to see which probes fail, and what IO chip is in the beast. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 13:44:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27518 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:44:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (uucp@osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27284 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03444 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:42:11 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA02093; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:36:26 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199801301936.UAA02093@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: FreeBSD updated Installation / Adminsitration Kit In-Reply-To: <199801300759.SAA03514@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Jan 30, 98 06:29:54 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:36:26 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, kpielorz@tdx.co.uk, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" As Mike Smith wrote... > > 2. We still need to converge on a set of desired enhancements for > > the old sysinstall. I don't mean to discourage discussion about the > > new one, but I'd like to finish out the old topic before it's hijacked > > by the new one. ;) > > Indeed. There are a couple of things about the install disk that > immediately come to mind: > > FAILSAFE should be ripped out of GENERIC, at least until we know why it > causes the NCR driver to spit when talking to some tape drives. > Nothing else uses it anyway. 8( At the very least it should be renamed to something describing what it does. E.g. SCSINOTCQ. FAILSAFE IMHO could mean anything, up to a parachute for a bungee jumper Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' --------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net,Open]BSD Unix -- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 13:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27876 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27809 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: by watermarkgroup.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12486; Fri, 30 Jan 98 16:44:55 EST Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 16:44:55 EST From: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com (Luoqi Chen) Message-Id: <9801302144.AA12486@watermarkgroup.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > The rfc seems to indicate to me that they are not willing to give > their software away without at least an NDA. That in itself is not a > problem if they're willing to tell us (or me) how to implement the > algorithm (and don't place any restrictions on that knowledge). If > they were willing to do this, I would have thought it would already > be explained in the rfc. Unfortunately it isn't. > > We need to ask them if they will give us enough knowledge to > implement STAC compression *without* an NDA, without any licensing > requirements and so that the resulting code can be distributed with > FreeBSD for the world to see and use without restriction on that > usage. This `knowledge' may be in source code form already or it > may be a spec.... It seems to me that the rfc has already provided all knowledge neccessary to implement this compression scheme, which is a variant of LZ77 with a static huffman encoding tree(?). It should be quite easy to adapt the gzip code to handle this. Together with another very similar compression protocol MPPC (M$ version of STAC), we could make one gzip module to handle all three protocols. > > Feel free to give 'em my name, although I'm no expert on copyrights. > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > -lq From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 13:47:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28448 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:47:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA28393 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xyOGt-0002e3-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:46:47 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA29452; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:46:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199801302146.OAA29452@harmony.village.org> To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: Recompiling just kmem programs? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:38 MST." <199801301957.MAA17366@mt.sri.com> References: <199801301957.MAA17366@mt.sri.com> <199801301658.JAA26173@harmony.village.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:46:49 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In message <199801301957.MAA17366@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: : Tada, after you reboot the stuff using the shared libkvm files will be : updated, and the static stuff is updated already. Hmmm, no make kvm target in /usr/src/Makefile? kvm: TARGS=`find . -name Makefile | xargs egrep -l "LDADD.*-lkvm" | \ sed -s 's=/Makefile//g'` for i in $TARGS x; do \ if [ x$i != xx ]; then cd $i && make obj && make depend && make && make install fo done I've not tried the above target, but how would people feel about adding something like this for when people send out the "recompile the kvm world" messages? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03208 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03149 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21703; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA18097; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:06:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:06:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199801302206.PAA18097@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Feiyi Wang Cc: Michael Reilly , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: References: <00e501bd2dba$1c920320$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Hi, You can use PAO ( FreeBSD Mobile Computing Package) in > http://www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO/. There is a version for FreeBSD 2.2.5, it > will work. I was always wondering why this package can't be integrated > into official distribution of FreeBSD? Because it's not necessary, since almost all of the functionality in PAO *already* exists in FreeBSD, and has existed there since before PAO. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:08:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03679 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:08:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03530 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:07:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.25]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA182; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:06:04 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA00259; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:07:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980130170718.22132@scsn.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:07:18 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Luoqi Chen , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Luoqi Chen , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <9801302144.AA12486@watermarkgroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <9801302144.AA12486@watermarkgroup.com>; from Luoqi Chen on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 04:44:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 04:44:55PM -0500, Luoqi Chen wrote: > It seems to me that the rfc has already provided all knowledge neccessary > to implement this compression scheme, which is a variant of LZ77 with > a static huffman encoding tree(?). It should be quite easy to adapt the > gzip code to handle this. Together with another very similar compression > protocol MPPC (M$ version of STAC), we could make one gzip module to handle > all three protocols. It seems that the RFC and ANSI X3.241-74 provide all the info necessary to implement the LZS algorithm; however, I talked today with Cheryl Poland of Hi/fn (aka STAC) about this, and she seems convinced that implementing this in just about any way I can imagine would be a violation of one or more of Hi/fn's patents :-( From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05060 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:12:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04939 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from ponds.dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA02844; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by ponds.dignus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00928; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) id QAA29966; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:53:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:53:25 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199801302153.QAA29966@lakes.dignus.com> To: atrens@nortel.ca, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, joelh@gnu.org Subject: Re: sharable static arrays? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > > >Hmmmm.... Either way, it's illegal to define 'foobared' twice. > > Sorry, bad example. > > >If these were auto variables, then strategy a would require both stack > >space for the array at runtime, and text space for the initial value > >in the executable, whereas strategy b should only require one copy of > >its space in either text or data, I still haven't determined which. > > The initializer on the right of the `=' is *always* a const. and gets > stored in the text segment. Fortunately, if you make the thing on the > left of the `=' a const most compilers will not duplicate the store. > > Therefore, > > const char foob[10] = "0123456789"; > > will use 10 bytes ( all in text ) , and > > char fooba[10] = "0123456789"; > > will use 20 bytes ( ten in text, ten in data ). It's that simple. ;) > Now, what's interesting is that > > char foobar[10] = " "; > > will *also* use 20 bytes - the compiler will pad the initializer with > zeroes. > > So if you have a big dataset, make it const. You'll only get one copy (which > is all you really want) and it'll be in a shareable text segment :) Yes - this is a good explanation... Just to add to the one example, char foobar[10] = " "; doesn't necessarily have to consume 20 bytes in the object file. Many systems "fill in" at module startup.. so you may have simply two bytes for the string, and a descriptor of some kind which indicates the rest of the array should be filled with zeros. > > Andrew > > - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:25:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07752 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:25:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07736 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01225; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:23:45 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34D11D8B.21D90582@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:23:42 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: lemonpie@tower.net.au, Alex Povolotsky Subject: GUI Admin tool for FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Ok, I just collected my initial code for FreeBSD GUI Admin. ftp://cam.grad.kiev.ua/pub/admin.tgz (if anybody have good place with better internet connection, put it there) It is really "initial" code, i. e. "left-up corner", from which we can start. It is designed as extentable framework, C++ classes / Command-Line Tool / Tk Tool / optionally in feature: cursesTool, htTool, javaTool. Current requiarements: Tcl-8.0, Tk-8.0 If anybody whant to help with this: please, contact with me and send you patches. (O, It have not license yet, so, I mean this as mandatory license agrivemeent) May be in next few day I will setup a development web page. That's all, good luck. -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07991 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07784 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:25:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27902; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:55:31 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA14235; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:55:30 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980131085530.07704@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:55:30 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Michael Reilly Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card References: <00e501bd2dba$1c920320$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <00e501bd2dba$1c920320$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com>; from Michael Reilly on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:03:19PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:03:19PM -0800, Michael Reilly wrote: > I found a thread concerning 3com's 3c589 card and FreeBSD dating back to > 1995. I tried sending Email to the authors of the messages but haven't > received any responses so I'll try here. > > I ran the diagnostics on my 3com 3c589 card to set the IRQ and I/O port (10, > 0x300) and then booted FreeBSD. The card was not found. I then tried > running the card's diagnostics again only to discover that the card now had > an error in the NVRAM (CIS memory corrupt according to the diagnostics). > > The previous thread referenced a program, CHECKCIS.EXE which could be used > to correct this problem but I cannot find that program. > > Can anyone tell me how to 1) correct the CIS memory corrupt problem and, 2) > get this card to work under FreeBSD? There are at least four different kinds of 3C589 (A, B, C and D). Which do you have? I had a lot of trouble configuring my 3C589C about 14 months ago. It turned out: 1. The 3Com diagnostics are very buggy. They won't run properly under DOS, only under a correctly configured Windows 95%. 2. Depending on your PCI bridge chipset, the PAO software may or may not recognize the board. My laptop has a non-Intel chipset, and it didn't. I finally got it to work with the standard release. I don't know how to fix corrupt CIS memory, but you should consider whether this memory really is corrupt. Maybe the diagnostics are lying. On the base of the diagnostic output (which was adequate), I returned the first board, which was presumably OK, and got the same claim for the second board. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:26:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08284 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:26:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08058 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:26:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27906; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:56:16 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA14243; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:56:16 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980131085615.58212@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:56:15 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Larry S. Lile" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fujitsu MO drives References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Larry S. Lile on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:25:08PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 03:25:08PM -0500, Larry S. Lile wrote: > I am looking at getting a Fujitsu DynaMO 640si > drive and I was wondering if it will work under > FreeBSD. > > Anybody out there using one? How is it working? I used to use a 2512A (230 MB). No problems beyond the speed of the device. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:27:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08676 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08631 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:27:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA04715 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004707; Fri Jan 30 14:26:52 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA17656 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801302226.OAA17656@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: setenv() bug.. how to fix? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:26:52 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I just submitted a bug (bin/5604) regarding setenv(). The main problem is that if you overwrite a variable with a value that is longer than the previous value, the memory malloc()'d for the previous value is never freed. Also, unsetenv() has the same problem -- it doesn't free the old value. I submitted a patch to fix this, but now I realize that the patch may not be entirely correct.. because the original contents of the environ[] array are not actually malloc()'d, rather they are set up by the loader (right??) So it's inappropriate to free() an "original" value.. but later values that get overwritten (or unsetenv()'d) DO need to be freed... What's the best way to properly fix this? The only way I can think of is to keep a bit array associated with the environ[] array, which specifies which entries are "original" and don't need to be free'd. Thanks, -Archie PS. This program demonstrates the memory leak bug: #include #define BSIZE 1024 char buf[BSIZE + 1]; int main(int ac, char *av[]) { int x; memset(buf, 'b', BSIZE); buf[BSIZE] = 0; for (x = 0; 1; x++) { buf[x % BSIZE] = 0; setenv("foo", buf, 1); buf[x % BSIZE] = 'b'; } return(0); } ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:30:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09686 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:30:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.rnl.ist.utl.pt (ns.rnl.ist.utl.pt [193.136.164.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09569 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lmmdpl@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt) Received: from camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (0@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt [193.136.164.11]) by ns.rnl.ist.utl.pt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20761 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:31:18 GMT Received: from camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (rcu87.rnl.ist.utl.pt [193.136.154.87]) by camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04767 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:28:05 GMT Message-ID: <34D1E2D3.743EE62C@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:25:23 +0000 From: Luis Ponce de Leao X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. References: <19719.886161097@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Toshiba laptops suck in other ways, too, at least the Satellites do...they > > have slower-than-usual PCMCIA buses, which cramps performance if you're > > using, say, a PCMCIA hard drive or an encryption token. > > Perhaps so, but it's also sorta not the point - we're supposed to be > able to work on anything. :-( > > Jordan FreeBSD (2.2.5), actually works quite well on the Toshiba Satellite 110CS... although the PCMCIA stuff, is true... disk access looks faster than, Linux, Windows NT or Windows95. But network performance is very poor. Luis From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:36:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11691 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:36:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11674 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:36:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xyP2b-0002fw-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:36:05 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA29877; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:36:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199801302236.PAA29877@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: A truly losing laptop for FreeBSD. Cc: lcremean@tidalwave.net, "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:08:53 +1030." <199801301238.XAA04311@word.smith.net.au> References: <199801301238.XAA04311@word.smith.net.au> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:36:06 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In message <199801301238.XAA04311@word.smith.net.au> Mike Smith writes: : Hmm, I haven't noticed that with this unit (a 220CDS); I happily get : ~1MB/sec over my NE2000 clone. : : OTOH, I'm faster with a pencil that the disk in it; not sure where the : bottleneck is there. My libretto is plenty snappy. I get similar results to what Mike has been seeing. The disk drive is a little slow, but not all that bad. FreeBSD supports my beast, modulo the floppy drive, very very well. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:39:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12434 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:39:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.rnl.ist.utl.pt (ns.rnl.ist.utl.pt [193.136.164.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12410 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:39:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lmmdpl@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt) Received: from camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (0@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt [193.136.164.11]) by ns.rnl.ist.utl.pt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20833; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:42:01 GMT Received: from camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (rcu87.rnl.ist.utl.pt [193.136.154.87]) by camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09754; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:38:47 GMT Message-ID: <34D1E556.F53FC63E@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:36:06 +0000 From: Luis Ponce de Leao X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Larry S. Lile" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fujitsu MO drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Larry S. Lile wrote: > I am looking at getting a Fujitsu DynaMO 640si > drive and I was wondering if it will work under > FreeBSD. > > Anybody out there using one? How is it working? I have a MO drive, the first that Fujitsu ever made, and, FreeBSD supports it since version 1.1.5, I believe... Luis From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 14:55:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14918 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.68.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14908 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:55:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelr@cisco.com) Received: from keeska-mr (keeskas.cisco.com [171.71.68.200]) by pita.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA13011; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:54:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <02d101bd2dd1$8376fcf0$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com> From: "Michael Reilly" To: "Greg Lehey" Cc: Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:50:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >>There are at least four different kinds of 3C589 (A, B, C and D). >>Which do you have? The one I am having trouble with is marked 3C589 so I assume it is an A. I have a D (marked 3C589D) in another machine but, given what happened when I put the first card into the machine I don't want to risk the D until I know what is going on. Given that the diags worked before I booted FreeBSD, I would suspect FreeBSD did something to the card during the probe. I just tried the card in a machine running BSDi with the same results - "Corrupt CIS memory" error message. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 15:13:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17221 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from loki.csc.ncsu.edu (loki.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.213.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17180 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:13:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fwang2@unity.ncsu.edu) Received: from localhost (fwang2@localhost) by loki.csc.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/EC02Jan97) with SMTP id SAA22241; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:13:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: loki.csc.ncsu.edu: fwang2 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:13:09 -0500 (EST) From: Feiyi Wang X-Sender: fwang2@loki.csc.ncsu.edu To: Nate Williams cc: Michael Reilly , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: <199801302206.PAA18097@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Probably for most of others, but not for me. I have some bitter experience to get FreeBSD 2.2.[2,5] recognize my 3c589 PCMCIA card working on my Toshiba notebook, only end up with PAO /Feiyi On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > > Hi, You can use PAO ( FreeBSD Mobile Computing Package) in > > http://www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO/. There is a version for FreeBSD 2.2.5, it > > will work. I was always wondering why this package can't be integrated > > into official distribution of FreeBSD? > > Because it's not necessary, since almost all of the functionality in PAO > *already* exists in FreeBSD, and has existed there since before PAO. > > > Nate > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 15:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20572 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:37:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakky.dyn.ml.org (lee@ppp-25-8.tidalwave.net [208.220.25.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20556 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lee@wakky.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from lee@localhost) by wakky.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA10674; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:36:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980130183659.46791@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:36:59 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans To: Ben Stuyts Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <199801292345.PAA18286@hub.freebsd.org> <199801302026.VAA24286@daneel.stuyts.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801302026.VAA24286@daneel.stuyts.nl>; from Ben Stuyts on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 09:26:55PM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 09:26:55PM +0100, Ben Stuyts wrote: [about 24x CD-ROM problems] I get the feeling you all may have the same drive, or one that's close. Can you give me the brand names and models, and those of you in the US get the FCC ID numbers off the label? (for those who don't know, the first three characters of the FCC ID identify the entity that paid to have it certified, usually the real manufacturer.) FWIW, I have a brand-new Toshiba 32X, running on a late-December -stable kernel, and it works fine, though it's a bit pokey duriung the detection stage at boot. Oh, and it doesn't produce that strange "phantom-slave" problem that some people have reported (and that I had with my old Mitsumi 2x); my suspicion of weirdness in the old Oak OTI-011 IDE chip may be right. -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | hcremean (at) vt.edu FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://wakky.dyn.ml.org/~lee | finger me for geek code From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 15:44:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21708 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21663 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22326; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA18682; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:16:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:16:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199801302316.QAA18682@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Feiyi Wang Cc: Nate Williams , Michael Reilly , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: References: <199801302206.PAA18097@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Probably for most of others, but not for me. I have some bitter experience > to get FreeBSD 2.2.[2,5] recognize my 3c589 PCMCIA card working on my > Toshiba notebook, only end up with PAO Did you try the PCCARD support in 2.2.5, or the dedicated zp0 driver? Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 15:51:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23224 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23214 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:51:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22757; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:50:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd022647; Fri Jan 30 16:50:46 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12695; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:50:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801302350.QAA12695@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: WebAdmin To: rivers@dignus.com (Thomas David Rivers) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:50:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, tlambert@primenet.com, capriotti0@hotmail.com, capriotti@geocities.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, joe.shevland@horizonti.com In-Reply-To: <199801301528.KAA29091@lakes.dignus.com> from "Thomas David Rivers" at Jan 30, 98 10:28:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Well - just a heads' up on the LDAP issue. > > Computer Reseller News (www.crn.com) just published a lead article > indicating LDAP is soon to be dead... People are finding it to be too > ill defined producing too much incompatibility. > > Based solely on that article, since that's all I know - I'd suggest staying > away from LDAP until a presumed newer definition materializes. I'd say the death of LDAP is much exaggerated. I think CRN also had an article on how NT was going to kill UNIX, didn't it? ;-). I have an LDAP server here with all of the varios fixes, except for the cryptographic stuff, already integrated. I can send out a mega patch if you are serious about hacking on it for FreeBSD. One thing LDAP is currently missing is a transactioning mechanism. You can fake this *if*: 1) You are guaranteed your last request is committed before your next request. 2) You use a reference object. Ie: I have a user record for uid 117; it looks like / ... / uid-117 / ... Instead of this being: / ... / uid-117 / account=fred / ... / uid-117 / group / default=20 / ... / uid-117 / gid=thwkFIeaA5wpk / ... / uid-117 / gecos=Fred The Cat ... You make it: / ... / uid-117=0x800179df And then in: / ... / 0x800179df / account=fred / ... / 0x800179df / group / default=20 / ... / 0x800179df / gid=thwkFIeaA5wpk / ... / 0x800179df / gecos=Fred The Cat ... To modify this (for instance, name and gecos): / ... / 0x80017b47 / account=tom / ... / 0x80017b47 / group / default=20 / ... / 0x80017b47 / gid=thwkFIeaA5wpk / ... / 0x80017b47 / gecos=Tom Sawyer ... *Then* / ... / uid-117=0x80017b47 ...an "atomic" update of the value of uid-117, using a container object. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 15:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23261 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:51:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com ([192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23112 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28019 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:19:43 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA28035; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:19:42 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980131101942.32279@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:19:42 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Non-existent slice open succeeds: bug or feature? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I've just discovered a strangeness. I have a disk /dev/sd1 partitioned like this: 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 1173459 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1210) h: 1173459 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1210) If I perform the following operation: # dd if=/dev/sd1e 0+0 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes transferred in 0.000759 secs (0 bytes/sec) the open obviously succeeds. Why? It loos as if sd1e is a slice of length 0, but that's not the same thing as not existing. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 16:05:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26029 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:05:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from global.com (global.com [206.40.50.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26004; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:05:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gopu@global.com) Message-ID: <34D26975.1668BA80@global.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:59:49 -0800 From: Gopakumar H Pillai Organization: Global Automation, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Calin Andrian CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: APC Back UPS monitor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I saw this mail today since I was working on montioring our UPS. Be patient, this is a long one. May help lot of others. I have a APC SmartUPS 1000 (rack mount). I need to use the serial port connection to monitor power failure to shutdown all systems. APC has a software named apc_ssd (ssd standing for Simple Signalling Daemon) which actually does the work to certain extend. It's a C++ code. They give it free, but licensed only to use internally. Basically, I am planning to look into the APC ssd code and modify it. I do not know any commands which could be given the UPS. If u have the command set could u please send it to me? Actually I never connected to the UPS and checked it out. I am planning to try your code too. Here is my need: I have two UPS, both APC SmartUPS 1000. I have an external network and an internal one. One is used on external and another internal. When the power goes down I want the UPS monitor to wait for some seconds and then notify a list of users by Paging and notify other machines to shutdown and notify the UPS to shutdown after some seconds (say 60) and shutdown itself. After the specified seconds the UPS shutsdown itself and comes up when the power restores and feeding power to all machines connected. Also I am planning a temperature monitor, which also does similar thing except that the machines should never be powered up again until manual intervention. My external network is vulnerable. The bastion host could be directly hooked up to the UPS and it can tell others to shutdown. Or I talk only to one UPS and hook the serial ports of my internal bastion host to external bastion host. Which is better for security reasons? What paging software should I use. I looked at qpage, it needs a SNPP server. Where can I get one? Can kermit do the job? How should I request other machines to shutdown? Is broadcast on local network ok for security reasons? Hooking up Serial ports as a chain - doesn't look feasible. Any other idea? If I fix the APC ssd, I shall make it available to all, if APC agrees or shall give to APC so that everyone can from there. Thanks in prior for ur help. --Gopu Calin Andrian wrote: > > Hi ! > > I searched all over the place for a monitoring package for APC backups and > did not find any. Finally I wrote a small driver and a monitoring daemon, > with good results. > > I didn't use the sio driver because it seems (maybe I'm wrong) that once > you successfully open the tty port, both DTR and RTS go high, causing the > (dumb) backups to immediately shut down. > > My package monitors the line-fail status and shuts down the system and the > UPS if the line is out for more than you-name-it seconds. > > How could I make it public ? > (I mean if anybody is interested) > > Calin From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 16:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28709 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:21:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28700 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from timo@timog.prestel.co.uk) Received: from modem88.bull-winkle.pol.co.uk (timog.prestel.co.uk) [195.92.5.88] by svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xyQgK-0002Xk-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:21:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 343 invoked by uid 1007); 31 Jan 1998 00:14:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19980131001416.12873@timog.prestel.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:14:16 +0000 From: Timo Geusch To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems References: <19980129091605.15034@timog.prestel.co.uk> <199801300607.HAA07376@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801300607.HAA07376@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 07:07:16AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 07:07:16AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > i think one of the problem is that our ATAPI (wcd) code does not have a > watchdog, unlike the IDE (wd) driver. This means that most unexpected > things on a CD access will not be handled properly. > > This was not probably a big issue so far, but the problem you are > reporting will hopefully (yes!) hit a lot of people with new hardware > to stimulate work on a fix. Well, it does stimulate me, for starters. I'm trying to work on a fix right now, but it may take some time. Got a day job, you know :-). > > - Anybody knows if the ATAPI spec is available for download somewhere so I can > > go out and fix it myself? > > look at the following URLs: > > ftp://fission.dt.wdc.com/pubs/x3t13 > ftp://ftp.symbios.com/pub/standards/io/ > > and good luck... > > but it's not a problem with the specs (i think), it's really poor > error handling (look at wdtimeout()). It's the error handling, all right. Just assuming a media change when the device does not seem to be ready isn't a REALLY good idea. Nevertheless, I need the specs so I know how to talk to the driver. Thanks for the pointers. Thanks, Timo -- Timo Geusch UNIX/NT System programmer & JAVA wizzard-in-training 'I ask for so little ... and boy, do I get it' Dilbert From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 16:24:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29359 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29347 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:24:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benst@terminus.stuyts.nl) Received: from stuyts by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <1517-28739>; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:24:02 +0100 Received: from daneel.stuyts.nl (daneel.stuyts.nl [193.78.231.7]) by terminus.stuyts.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06009; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:13:08 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from benst) Received: (from benst@localhost) by daneel.stuyts.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA24428; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:12:24 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801310012.BAA24428@daneel.stuyts.nl> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <19980130183659.46791@wakky.dyn.ml.org> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ben Stuyts Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 01:12:22 +0100 To: lcremean@tidalwave.net Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: ben@stuyts.nl References: <199801292345.PAA18286@hub.freebsd.org> <199801302026.VAA24286@daneel.stuyts.nl> <19980130183659.46791@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Lee Cremeans wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 09:26:55PM +0100, Ben Stuyts wrote: > > [about 24x CD-ROM problems] > > I get the feeling you all may have the same drive, or one that's close. Can > you give me the brand names and models, I can get you more detailed information next monday when I'm back at the office, but I just logged in to get the dmesg output of that machine. I see it doesn't recognize the pci chipset. Might that be related? It is a Chaintech TTL motherboard with a 82440TX chipset. [fastolfe.stuyts.nl:home2/benst]1: dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE #0: Tue Oct 21 14:33:00 GMT 1997 jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC CPU: Pentium (200.46-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping=3 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 30240768 (29532K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 pci0:7:1: Intel Corporation, device=0x7111, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] pci0:7:2: Intel Corporation, device=0x7112, class=0x0c, subclass=0x03 int d irq ?? [no driver assigned] chip2 rev 1 on pci0:7:3 vga0 rev 6 int a irq ?? on pci0:13 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0: address 00:20:18:72:b1:e6, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: device ID 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 2439MB (4995648 sectors), 4956 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordy wcd0: 171/1367Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface It is running vanilla 2.2.5, but I can easily upgrade it to stable if that's useful. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Best regards, Ben From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 16:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00251 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:26:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us [207.33.75.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00243 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:26:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us) Received: from localhost (abelits@localhost) by phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07009; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:27:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:27:00 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Belits To: Terry Lambert cc: Thomas David Rivers , mike@smith.net.au, capriotti0@hotmail.com, capriotti@geocities.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, joe.shevland@horizonti.com Subject: Re: WebAdmin In-Reply-To: <199801302350.QAA12695@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Computer Reseller News (www.crn.com) just published a lead article > > indicating LDAP is soon to be dead... People are finding it to be too > > ill defined producing too much incompatibility. > > > > Based solely on that article, since that's all I know - I'd suggest staying > > away from LDAP until a presumed newer definition materializes. > > I'd say the death of LDAP is much exaggerated. I think CRN also > had an article on how NT was going to kill UNIX, didn't it? ;-). "Never trust a computer-related analysis article published by a company that uses NT as the server for it" ;-) > I have an LDAP server here with all of the varios fixes, except for > the cryptographic stuff, already integrated. I can send out a mega > patch if you are serious about hacking on it for FreeBSD. > > One thing LDAP is currently missing is a transactioning mechanism. > You can fake this *if*: > > 1) You are guaranteed your last request is committed before > your next request. > > 2) You use a reference object. > > Ie: I have a user record for uid 117; it looks like > > [atomic transaction over LDAP skipped] Yes, but why? My proposal to use HTTP is based in part on the ease of transactions handling over it. HTTP doesn't necessarily mean HTML and interactivity, it can, say, use URL-encoded list of key-value pairs symmetrically (both from server and to server as opposed to HTML form from server and URL-encoded form upload to server) and provide HTML only if the user is working in a browser. That will allow more flexibility, easier configuration replication, etc. -- Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 16:51:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04011 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03924 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:51:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA18231 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:51:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:51:05 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: <199801302316.QAA18682@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > > Probably for most of others, but not for me. I have some bitter experience > > to get FreeBSD 2.2.[2,5] recognize my 3c589 PCMCIA card working on my > > Toshiba notebook, only end up with PAO > > Did you try the PCCARD support in 2.2.5, or the dedicated zp0 driver? I've been using zp0 under FreeBSD-current (not PAO) and have been having problems after large or intensive data transfers (usually using NFS). The card no longer sends or receive packets; bring the interface down and then up again using ifconfig apparently fixes it. Ping indicates that the buffer if full if I attempt to ping during the problem. I was wondering if anyone else has this problem with the zp driver, or if I am having problems with a bad card? I had this same problem with -stable. Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 17:03:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06578 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:03:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06572; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:02:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsi@earthling.net) Received: from kamikaze.earthling.net (user-38lcf2q.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.90]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14500; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rsi@localhost) by kamikaze.earthling.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA15291; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:01:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rsi) Message-Id: <199801310101.UAA15291@kamikaze.earthling.net> To: Terry Lambert Cc: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm), abial@nask.pl, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LFS is nuked? References: <199801310004.RAA13451@usr05.primenet.com> From: Rajappa Iyer Date: 30 Jan 1998 20:01:39 -0500 Reply-To: rsi@earthling.net X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Terry Lambert writes: > > > I cvsup'ped today and to my surprise all the files related to LFS were > > > nuked... Is it on purpose, or just my bad luck? > > > > It's in the Attic, 'til somebody has time to make it work. > > Currently it's not functional and therefore not needed > > in the source tree. > > One could use this argument on other FS's, as well. The other > FS's which come immediately to mind are umapfs, union, portal, > nullfs, msdosfs, and nfs. Well, this might be the perfect time to bring up the fact that I'm sorta working on a file system (I call it effs for Everything's a File File System) somewhat similar to the Plan9 and Inferno file system. It's going to be somewhat similar to portal and borrows ideas from userfs which exists for Linux 2.0. It's primarily meant as a hacking exercise for myself, but I was wondering if the FreeBSD community would be interested in something like this. Regards, Rajappa -- a.k.a. Rajappa Iyer. New York, New York. We're too busy mopping the floor to turn off the faucet. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 17:10:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08714 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:10:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08702 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-36.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.36]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08365; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:10:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA15921; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:50:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801302350.RAA15921@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Alan Batie cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: floppy media change detection In-reply-to: Message from Alan Batie of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:59:13 PST." <19980129175913.55683@aahz.jf.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:50:24 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Alan Batie writes: > Dating myself horribly, I seem to remember the days of 360K floppies > where in the dos world, you'd do yourself in bigtime by swapping floppies > and the directory would be cached and you'd end up writing the wrong > one back out. It seems like a few of the later 360's and then the 1.2's > and 1.44's fixed this with a media change signal of some sort (maybe it > was the transition from 180K to 360K?). Am I hallucinating? I don't > remember how you told dos you wanted to change the floppy certainly, so > it's possible... A quick scan through the fd controller doesn't indicate > any such thing, and it would be really handy for an application I'm > working on... Am I out of luck? Thanks... I think the *really* old stuff optionally had a signal that would inform the controller if the door was open. Think there were options to lock the drive door shut from the controller too. Cheap systems such as PC's never implemented it. Some CP/M systems did. Apple went one further on the Mac with motorized eject, so the user couldn't get the floppy out without permission of the OS. Also think PC's ignore the high density hole in 1.44M floppies too. Macs do not. Really old floppy drives had a head load solenoid to remove the head(s) from the media. That was common on 8" drives where the spindle never quit. The last generation of 8" floppies could start/stop their spindle motor the same as most early 5-1/4" drives. Don't remember, but I believe the Zip disk on my PowerMac signals an eject request to the OS rather than immediately eject. And the same sort of thing happens (?) with FreeBSD and CDROMs. When mounted the CD is "locked" and the eject button doesn't work. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 17:33:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16293 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:33:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16147 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09766; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:30:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199801310130.CAA09766@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: The BSD License In-Reply-To: <19980130170718.22132@scsn.net> from "Donald J. Maddox" at "Jan 30, 98 05:07:18 pm" To: dmaddox@scsn.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:30:55 +0100 (CET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" According to Donald J. Maddox: > It seems that the RFC and ANSI X3.241-74 provide all the info necessary to > implement the LZS algorithm; however, I talked today with Cheryl Poland of > Hi/fn (aka STAC) about this, and she seems convinced that implementing > this in just about any way I can imagine would be a violation of one or > more of Hi/fn's patents :-( Even if so, it might be possible to get explicit permission from the patent holder to distribute a binary, or even source code, FreeBSD. "Licence" it, if you will (for no, or a very small fee). That's entierly up to the patent holder, and the reason that he/she/it owns the patent, I guess. Asking shouldn't hurt. :-) /Mikael From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 17:45:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18694 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:45:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18686 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:45:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.25]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA210; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:43:19 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA05475; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:44:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980130204429.65423@scsn.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:44:29 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Mikael Karpberg Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Mikael Karpberg , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980130170718.22132@scsn.net> <199801310130.CAA09766@ocean.campus.luth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199801310130.CAA09766@ocean.campus.luth.se>; from Mikael Karpberg on Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 02:30:55AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 02:30:55AM +0100, Mikael Karpberg wrote: > According to Donald J. Maddox: > > It seems that the RFC and ANSI X3.241-74 provide all the info necessary to > > implement the LZS algorithm; however, I talked today with Cheryl Poland of > > Hi/fn (aka STAC) about this, and she seems convinced that implementing > > this in just about any way I can imagine would be a violation of one or > > more of Hi/fn's patents :-( > > Even if so, it might be possible to get explicit permission from the patent > holder to distribute a binary, or even source code, FreeBSD. "Licence" it, > if you will (for no, or a very small fee). That's entierly up to the patent > holder, and the reason that he/she/it owns the patent, I guess. > Asking shouldn't hurt. :-) Well, that's what I was doing when I was talking to Ms. Poland :-) She is a representative of the patent-holder, you see. It should be noted, however, that Ms. Poland is in _sales_, so the very idea of seeing anything based on LZS being distributed for free is very likely abhorrent to her :-) She is not a lawyer, so she may be completely wrong in her belief that anything at all based on LZS is covered by STAC's patents, but I'm not a lawyer, either, and can't afford to find out that she _was_ right in court. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 18:07:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21753 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:07:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21745 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:07:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27266 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:08:56 GMT Message-Id: <199801302208.WAA27266@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: Subject: USER_LDT??? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:02:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" i have options USER_LDT defined in my kernel however wine still craps out. now before you assume anything i have done some homework here :) it dies from a SIGSEGV, segment violation as it tries to execute this block of code: 0x1bc731 in NtCurrentTeb () at ./sysdeps.c:114 114 __asm__( ".byte 0x64\n\tmovl (%1),%0" it's trying to play around with the LDT but freebsd isn't letting it do it... in my kernel config i do have: options USER_LDT now here is the strange part, wine WORKED once... i tryed to run some sort of installer program and it worked amazingly, well until it crashed that it :) it actually crashed so bad that i had to ctrl-alt-backspace out of X. i did not run it as root so it shouldn't have been able to twiddle any bits it shouldn't have... what else can i give that would make any sense? i can't even get the darn thing to display its help screen in text mode anymore(wine). just running the program without any args and p00p.. :) also, thinking somehow... just maybe somehow it ate some bits out of a file somehow... i did a reinstall world, recompiled and installed my kernel, reinstalled X and recompiled wine and reinstalled it.... (well i didn't know what else to really do, and i didn't want to waste people's time if that what was the problem...) thanks, -Alfred From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 18:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26515 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26502 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05987; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:14:57 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199801302114.VAA05987@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Alex cc: John Kelly , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: STAC vs. the BSD License In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:18:26 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:14:57 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > > > On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:42:29 -0500, dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. > > Maddox) wrote: > > > > >>"the BSD license" in it's entirety? > > >> > > >> Yes. Basically it says: > > >> > > >> 1. You can use this software however you choose. > > >> 2. Don't blame us if it breaks. > > >> 3. Don't use our name to advertise it [I consider this a difficult > > >> one; it conflicts with the next]. > > >> 4. Do acknowledge the use of the code. > > > > > >Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to > > >what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to > > >include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing > > >to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the > > >above... Is that right? > > > > I don't think the STAC people will accept that. > > > > Nevertheless, you should still be able to implement a STAC routine > > which would be called by PPP and PPPD. The trick will be modifying > > PPP and PPPD to optionally call STAC when it's present on the machine, > > without disturbing any users who don't have it on their machine. > [...] > I don't know if it's quite the same thing, but there is a little set of > kernel patches and the like for Linux that provides Stacker and > Drive/Double Space support. It's obviously under the GPL as far as I can > tell. Even if it's not quite the same thing, it wouldn't be a bad thing > imo to impliment. I thought linux used the pppd sources. That'd make things *very* easy for pppd under FreeBSD. Maybe it's time to install Linux on one of my machines again (and hope it stays alive during that initial ``I must have a poke around'' stage). > Linux: The Microsoft Windows(tm) of the Unix(tm) world. > > - alex > -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 19:20:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02078 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:20:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01961 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id EAA23614 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:19:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id CAA06960; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:57:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980131025723.34628@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:57:23 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Filesystem hacking Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011>; from Alton, Matthew on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 02:52:27PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4019 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" According to Alton, Matthew: > I have decided to code up an IBM-style journaling filesystem > (jfs) with maximum portability for free unices. While I'm at it > I had might as well have the clean-bits map to a PP/extent > disk arrangement which will act as a useful abstraction for a > Logical Volume Manager / Veritas -esque disk management > system which I also find interesting enough to code up. YES! With LFS now dead and the VPS (virtual partitions à la LVM) not going anywhere, having a extendable & journalled file-system would be very nice. I'm willing to help... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #54: Mon Jan 26 20:29:17 CET 1998 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 19:23:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02810 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:23:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02777 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:22:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28264; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:52:49 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA03426; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:52:49 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980131135248.54160@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:52:48 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Ollivier Robert Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Filesystem hacking References: <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011> <19980131025723.34628@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980131025723.34628@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 02:57:23AM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 02:57:23AM +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Alton, Matthew: >> I have decided to code up an IBM-style journaling filesystem >> (jfs) with maximum portability for free unices. While I'm at it >> I had might as well have the clean-bits map to a PP/extent >> disk arrangement which will act as a useful abstraction for a >> Logical Volume Manager / Veritas -esque disk management >> system which I also find interesting enough to code up. > > YES! With LFS now dead and the VPS (virtual partitions à la LVM) not going > anywhere, having a extendable & journalled file-system would be very nice. > > I'm willing to help... I'm currently working on the Volume Manager side. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 19:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03486 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-x2-0028.jumpnet.com [207.8.61.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03475 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:26:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id VAA29100; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:26:01 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Filesystem hacking References: <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011> From: Dave Marquardt Date: 30 Jan 1998 21:25:59 -0600 In-Reply-To: "Alton, Matthew"'s message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:52:27 -0600" Message-ID: <85d8h9729k.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" "Alton, Matthew" writes: > I have decided to code up an IBM-style journaling filesystem > (jfs) with maximum portability for free unices. While I'm at it > I had might as well have the clean-bits map to a PP/extent > disk arrangement which will act as a useful abstraction for a > Logical Volume Manager / Veritas -esque disk management > system which I also find interesting enough to code up. Cool! I've always wondered why no one had tackled this yet.... > This is not an attempt to morph FreeBSD into AIX by any > means. It is just an interesting project which I think may be > of use to hackers. Of course it's not. The JFS and LVM are a couple of cool things that IBM introduced to the UNIX world. Actually, I suspect they were someone's research projects before that.... -Dave (who works devloping AIX during the day) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 21:10:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15164 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:10:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15145 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:10:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kfurge@worldnet.att.net) From: kfurge@worldnet.att.net Received: from phaser.indy.net ([12.66.33.114]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAB25261; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 05:10:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (kfurge@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phaser.indy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13978; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:05:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:05:25 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: kfurge@kcfhome.my.domain To: 76350.1227@compuserve.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 80c30 driver... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hello Bruce. I've been a FreeBSD user for more or less 4 years now and am interested in trying my hand at some kernel coding. I have been following your posts in -hackers with a fair amount of interest, since I have a Future Domain card that was donated to me by someone who upgraded and am interested in putting this hardware to use. I think that incorporating the driver into FreeBSD might be something good for me to gain some experience. I have taken the driver that Bob Bishop mentioned and integrated it into -current on my test machine and I have it talking to some SCSI devices. I don't have much to test it on, since I have only IDE HDDs and not many SCSI peripherals. I thought you might be able to help by helping to track down some documentation for this chipset. Reading raw code + little experience with device drivers + little experience at low level SCSI = a non-trivial task. However, I'm willing to give it a try. Any other help you can give to my effort would, of course, be very appreciated. - K.C. cc'd to -hackers for a wider audience... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 21:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20675 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:57:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20631; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00595; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:19:56 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801310549.QAA00595@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Alton, Matthew" cc: fs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Filesystem hacking In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:52:27 MDT." <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:19:55 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > This month (02/98) I will explore the GNU HURD OS to see if > their goal of creating an OS which would allow me to imple- > ment a filesystem in user space has been realized. If it has > not, I will use my normal FreeBSD 2.2.2 i386/40 and NetBSD > 1.3 Sun 3/50 & 3/80 development boxes. > > Please let me know if I am duplicating effort and provide me > with relevant pointers. You can implement a filesystem in userspace on FreeBSD (and presumably NetBSD as well); see the 'rumba' port for an example of this. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 22:08:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22266 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22258 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:08:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00650; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:31:21 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801310601.QAA00650@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: lcremean@tidalwave.net cc: Ben Stuyts , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:36:59 CDT." <19980130183659.46791@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:31:21 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > FWIW, I have a brand-new Toshiba 32X, running on a late-December -stable > kernel, and it works fine, though it's a bit pokey duriung the detection > stage at boot. Oh, and it doesn't produce that strange "phantom-slave" > problem that some people have reported (and that I had with my old Mitsumi > 2x); my suspicion of weirdness in the old Oak OTI-011 IDE chip may be right. Can you try the patch I applied to the -current ATAPI probe just recently to see if it cures the "phantom slave" detection? I'm fairly sure I saw what you are describing with the ATAPI Zip. If it works on -stable, I'd like to bring it back. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 22:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23588 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:15:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23200 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:13:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA25418 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:11:02 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA14448; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:11:02 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980131071101.11786@follo.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:11:01 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: On a new IPFW interface, w/potentially wider applications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Does the below (inspired by tags on the Amiga) sound like a good idea for IPFW? Does it sound like it is such a good idea that it should be extended to a generic method of manipulating kernel objects instead of doing it only for IPFW? (Cost: At least one syscall number, up to four if we want separate syscalls for add/delete/commit/cancel, as well as making it approx twice as much work to implement as a special case for IPFW). And speaking of kernel interfaces: I've been thinking of a way of implementing capabilites (in the security sense) which would share a lot of properties with this interface, and might be cheap to implement along with it (I'd have to look more closely at the design issues to be certain). Do anybody but me feel that this (capabilites) would be a good direction to go for FreeBSD, or do people think we'll become 'too weird' that way? [Originally in a mail to Alex Nash] Speaking of the IPFW interface: I am quite tired of seeing necessary changes to that break other software. What do you say about an interface like the below? If that's OK, I'll look into implementing it or getting my mentoree to do it (unless you have enough time and want to do it yourself to get it done quickly :-) The basic idea behind the below is the make the interface create rules by itself with default values first, and then change the created rule by a set of setsockopt() calls until its parameters is correct. The new rule is then added to the list by a commit operation. Implementation detail: The interface should limit the number of non-committed rules to a fixed number, to stop kernel resource starvation by a userland process. Old non-committed rules should probably be thrown away in preference to new ones being denied; that will more easily protect against programming errors. I think a new new userland library for easy access to this would be a good idea; see bottom for details on how I envision this. ------------------------------------------------------------------ New socket options: IP_FW_START_ADD: struct { long version; /* Interface version, below is version 0 */ unsigned long list; /* Which rule list to work with (0 is the only presently correct list number) */ int number; /* "Line number"/rule number for IPFW */ unsigned long coookie; /* Filled in by the kernel; used as a capability (in the security sense) to identify this add operation for later manipulation. */ } This socket option starts a new add request; the add request will be filled with data and committed to the firewall lists later. List is allowed to be able to have more than one firewall list later, to allow filtering the way Cisco implements it. (If the structure is not copied to the kernel for a getsockopt() operation, we'll just have to make do with just returning a cookie. The above implementation would be preferable, as we won't have to specify as many parameters for to IP_FW_SET, and can upgrade the interface at will). IP_FW_SET: struct { unsigned long cookie; /* Previously returned from IP_FW_START_ADD. This identify which non-completed rule to manipulate. */ unsigned long field; /* Which field of the rule to manipulate */ unsigned char data[92]; /* The data for this field. 92 will allow it to fit in a 108 byte socket option together with a 64-bit cookie and 'field' ;-) */ } Manipulate the field of an as-of-yet uncommitted rule. IP_FW_COMMIT: struct { unsigned long cookie; /* The capability of the rule to commit */ } Commit a new rule into the kernel. IP_FW_CANCEL: struct { unsigned long cookie; /* The capability of the rule to cancel */ } Drop a rule that has been built in the kernel. IP_FW_START_GET: struct { long version; /* Version of interface to use (presently 0) */ unsigned long list; /* Which list of rules to get (presently 0) */ unsigned long cookie; /* Capability; filled in by the kernel. */ } Get a capability for getting a list of firewall rules from the kernel. IP_FW_GET_VALUE: struct ip_fw_get_value_struct { unsigned long cookie; /* Capability for getting data */ unsigned long field; /* Which field to get */ unsigned char data[92]; /* Data gotten from the kernel */ } Get the data for a field from the kernel. If we can't pass this structure to the kernel, we're in mucho, mucho trouble, and probably will need to connect the state of reading a list to a particular socket, which would be a pity. The size of the data read from the kernel is found by subtracting offsetof(struct ip_fw_get_value_struct,data) from the amount of data the kernel says it has written. IP_FW_GET_NEXT: struct { unsigned long cookie; /* Capability for reading operation in the kernel we're presently manipulating. */ } Proceed to next rule along a rule-list we're reading. IP_FW_GET_DONE: struct { unsigned long cookie; /* Capability for reading operation in the kernel we're presently manipulating. */ } Finish with the capability for a particular read operation. ------------------------------------------- Now, to make the userland side of this easy, I would like an access library: int ipfw_addrule( unsigned long list_number, unsigned long rule_number, ...); where ... is filled with option/value pairs, like in (long)IPFW_SRCADDR, &inaddr, (long)IPFW_PORT, 6667, (long)0 /* Termination */ For deletion, int ipfw_delrule( unsigned long list_number, unsigned long rule_number ); For getting lists: { unsigned long cookie; struct ip_fw rule; cookie = ipfw_getlist_start(0); /* List number */ if (!cookie) return; while (ipfw_getlist_entry(cookie, IPFW_SRCADDR, &rule.fw_src, IPFW_DSTADDR, &rule.fw_dst, IPFW_SRCMASK, &rule.fw_smsk, IPFW_DSTMASK, &rule.fw_dmsk, (long)0)) { ... do stuff ... } ipfw_getlist_done(cookie); } The data don't have to go into the old ip_fw struct, of course - that's just as an example. Well, what do you think? It covers our present needs, and as far as I can see our future needs - if we need single fields of more than 92 bytes we can always set them as several operations or change the interface by changing the version. It allow us to add entries to the data structures without killing old apps. It should be fairly easy to implement, and fairly easy for programmers to use, especially if we add the library. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 22:24:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25361 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:24:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakky.dyn.ml.org (lee@ppp-25-19.tidalwave.net [208.220.25.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25351 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lee@wakky.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from lee@localhost) by wakky.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA01410; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:23:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980131012340.33917@wakky.dyn.ml.org> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:23:40 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <19980130183659.46791@wakky.dyn.ml.org> <199801310601.QAA00650@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801310601.QAA00650@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 04:31:21PM +1030 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 04:31:21PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: > > FWIW, I have a brand-new Toshiba 32X, running on a late-December -stable > > kernel, and it works fine, though it's a bit pokey duriung the detection > > stage at boot. Oh, and it doesn't produce that strange "phantom-slave" > > problem that some people have reported (and that I had with my old Mitsumi > > 2x); my suspicion of weirdness in the old Oak OTI-011 IDE chip may be right. > > Can you try the patch I applied to the -current ATAPI probe just > recently to see if it cures the "phantom slave" detection? I'm fairly > sure I saw what you are describing with the ATAPI Zip. > > If it works on -stable, I'd like to bring it back. Well, as I said, the Toshiba doesn't do it, the Mitsumi does...I could pull out the Toshiba and test the Mitsumi, but I have to find it first. (it disappeared into the sanctum known as My Brother's Room :/) -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | hcremean (at) vt.edu FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://wakky.dyn.ml.org/~lee | finger me for geek code From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 22:27:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26085 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26074 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:27:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00768; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:50:37 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801310620.QAA00768@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The 'dave rivers' momorial panic. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:45:17 -0800." <34D23BDD.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:50:37 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > turns out it was a hardware problem.. > some IDE chipsets an ddrives were incapable of running on > a ribbon cable over about 40cm (16") long. This *is* the specified limit for the ATA bus, funnily enough. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 22:30:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26768 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (196-31-98-24.iafrica.com [196.31.98.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26762 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rnordier@iafrica.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA04898; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:27:21 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199801310627.IAA04898@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: floppy media change detection In-Reply-To: <19980129175913.55683@aahz.jf.intel.com> from Alan Batie at "Jan 29, 98 05:59:13 pm" To: batie@aahz.jf.intel.com (Alan Batie) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:27:10 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Alan Batie wrote: > Dating myself horribly, I seem to remember the days of 360K floppies > where in the dos world, you'd do yourself in bigtime by swapping floppies > and the directory would be cached and you'd end up writing the wrong > one back out. It seems like a few of the later 360's and then the 1.2's > and 1.44's fixed this with a media change signal of some sort (maybe it > was the transition from 180K to 360K?). Am I hallucinating? I don't > remember how you told dos you wanted to change the floppy certainly, so > it's possible... A quick scan through the fd controller doesn't indicate > any such thing, and it would be really handy for an application I'm > working on... Am I out of luck? Thanks... This is usually known as "change line" detection, and as from the AT (not PC/XT) became available via the digital input register (DIR) at port address 0x3f7. The MS-DOS default block device also implements a virtual change line capability by storing system clock ticks at each access. In response to a "media check" request from the kernel, if <= two seconds have elapsed, the media is assumed to be unchanged. IIRC, the DOS kernel could be told you wanted to change media by doing a CP/M-style "warm boot". I think there was a keystroke for this, but I've forgotten it. -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 22:36:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27592 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27573 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:36:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpneal@pobox.com) Received: from bogus.mindspring.com (user-38ld88g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.161.16]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA19027; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:35:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980131063552.009aee78@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: kpneal@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:35:52 -0500 To: Ollivier Robert From: "Kevin P. Neal" Subject: Re: Filesystem hacking Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA27578 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" At 02:57 AM 1/31/98 +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: >YES! With LFS now dead and the VPS (virtual partitions à la LVM) not going >anywhere, having a extendable & journalled file-system would be very nice. LFS is dead? What's the story there? -- XCOMM Kevin P. Neal, Junior, Comp. Sci. - House of Retrocomputing XCOMM mailto:kpneal@pobox.com - http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ XCOMM kpneal@eos.ncsu.edu Spoken by Keir Finlow-Bates: XCOMM "Good grief, I've just noticed I've typed in a rant. Sorry chaps!" From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 30 23:09:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01339 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:09:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01305 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13513; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:08:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd013506; Sat Jan 31 00:08:16 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01106; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:08:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801310708.AAA01106@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: WebAdmin To: abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (Alex Belits) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:08:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, rivers@dignus.com, mike@smith.net.au, capriotti0@hotmail.com, capriotti@geocities.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, joe.shevland@horizonti.com In-Reply-To: from "Alex Belits" at Jan 30, 98 04:27:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > [atomic transaction over LDAP skipped] > > Yes, but why? My proposal to use HTTP is based in part on the ease of > transactions handling over it. HTTP doesn't necessarily mean HTML and > interactivity, it can, say, use URL-encoded list of key-value > pairs symmetrically (both from server and to server as opposed to HTML > form from server and URL-encoded form upload to server) and provide HTML > only if the user is working in a browser. That will allow more > flexibility, easier configuration replication, etc. I think that the atomicity of the transaction for HTML is an implementation detal; a detail best served by defineing how a transaction is to take place. That the HTML post is a "transaction" is seperate from "what to do when an HTML post is seen and you are an HTML server". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 00:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08319 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08314 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:05:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03937; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:05:04 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05669; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:05:03 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199801310805.KAA05669@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Mike Smith cc: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The 'dave rivers' momorial panic. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:05:03 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Mike Smith wrote: > > turns out it was a hardware problem.. > > some IDE chipsets an ddrives were incapable of running on > > a ribbon cable over about 40cm (16") long. > > This *is* the specified limit for the ATA bus, funnily enough. This is one of the hateful things about the ATA bus. It is not electronically "correct" - it is effectively an unterminated transmission line, and has _horrible_ noise/ringing problems. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 00:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09009 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09004 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:08:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp id AA13925; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:08:33 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id RAA25544; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:16:14 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801310816.RAA25544@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: boot floppy banner Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:16:12 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" The boot block for 3.0-CURRENT and 2.2.5-RELEASE prints a screen-full of message: ... Usage: bios_drive:interface(unit,partition)kernel_name options bios_drive 0, 1, ... interface fd, wd or sd unit 0, 1, ... partition a, c, ... [Blah, blah,...] The text is read from /boot.help of the boot drive. While it is good to have this help message once the OS is installed, it may be of very little help to a first-time user who is booting our boot floppy. Maybe we should make /boot.help on the boot floppy less technical. Something like: ============================================================ ---== Welcome to the 2.2.6 RELEASE version of FreeBSD! ==--- A Full 4.4 BSD Lite Based 32-bit Operating System March 1998 FreeBSD Inc. ============================================================ Well, it doesn't look very interesting ;-< Just a thought... Kazu From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 00:13:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09763 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09754 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01104; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:21:02 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801310751.SAA01104@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Michael Reilly" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:03:19 -0800." <00e501bd2dba$1c920320$c84447ab@keeska-mr.Cisco.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:21:01 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > I found a thread concerning 3com's 3c589 card and FreeBSD dating back to > 1995. I tried sending Email to the authors of the messages but haven't > received any responses so I'll try here. Posting on -hackers isn't going to help your chances of getting this card working. You should be on -mobile, where I have just finished trying to talk another user through setting one up. > I ran the diagnostics on my 3com 3c589 card to set the IRQ and I/O port (10, > 0x300) and then booted FreeBSD. The card was not found. I then tried > running the card's diagnostics again only to discover that the card now had > an error in the NVRAM (CIS memory corrupt according to the diagnostics). Running the diagnostics is completely unnecessary, and can lead to CIS corruption. You don't need FreeBSD to do that. > Can anyone tell me how to 1) correct the CIS memory corrupt problem and, 2) > get this card to work under FreeBSD? Please read the message I just posted to -mobile. If you are not subscribed there, let me know (*NOT* on this list), and I will forward you a copy. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 02:00:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18838 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18808; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id KAA24624; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:45:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA29697; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:37:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980131103740.41901@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:37:40 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: rsi@earthling.net, Terry Lambert Cc: abial@nask.pl, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LFS is nuked? References: <199801310004.RAA13451@usr05.primenet.com> <199801310101.UAA15291@kamikaze.earthling.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199801310101.UAA15291@kamikaze.earthling.net>; from Rajappa Iyer on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 08:01:39PM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Well, this might be the perfect time to bring up the fact that I'm > sorta working on a file system (I call it effs for Everything's a File > File System) somewhat similar to the Plan9 and Inferno file > system. It's going to be somewhat similar to portal and borrows ideas > from userfs which exists for Linux 2.0. It's primarily meant as a > hacking exercise for myself, but I was wondering if the FreeBSD > community would be interested in something like this. No problem I think. Just do it ;-) It should simply be a + in functionality and should at least work ;-)) -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 02:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23292 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us [207.33.75.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23287 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us) Received: from localhost (abelits@localhost) by phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA09585; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:29:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:29:04 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Belits To: Terry Lambert cc: rivers@dignus.com, mike@smith.net.au, capriotti0@hotmail.com, capriotti@geocities.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, joe.shevland@horizonti.com Subject: Re: WebAdmin In-Reply-To: <199801310708.AAA01106@usr06.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > I think that the atomicity of the transaction for HTML is an implementation > detal; a detail best served by defineing how a transaction is to take place. > > That the HTML post is a "transaction" is seperate from "what to do when > an HTML post is seen and you are an HTML server". Of course, implementation can treat it as a transaction or not. I only mean that HTTP protocol with forms uploaf provides a mechanism that allows HTTP server to use transactions regardless of the model used by client for its actions as long as the client uses HTTP. In other words, one can use any browser or proxy or another server program that replicates its configuration or custom-made client program, and the transactions model won't be broken if the server uses it. If the server doesn't care about transactions (plain CGIs with no locking), transactions support won't magically appear, but IMHO it's reasonable to keep the requirements to server higher than ones to the clients. -- Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 04:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06654 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from svr-a-03.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-03.core.theplanet.net [194.152.64.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA06649 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from timo@timog.prestel.co.uk) Received: from modem96.bull-winkle.pol.co.uk (timog.prestel.co.uk) [195.92.5.96] by svr-a-03.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xybuU-0002Yz-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:20:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 240 invoked by uid 1007); 31 Jan 1998 12:18:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980131121858.28773@timog.prestel.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:18:58 +0000 From: Timo Geusch To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fast IDE CDROM problems References: <199801310615.WAA23595@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801310615.WAA23595@hub.freebsd.org>; from freebsd-hackers-digest on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 10:15:03PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > FWIW, I have a brand-new Toshiba 32X, running on a late-December -stable > > kernel, and it works fine, though it's a bit pokey duriung the detection > > stage at boot. Oh, and it doesn't produce that strange "phantom-slave" > > problem that some people have reported (and that I had with my old Mitsumi > > 2x); my suspicion of weirdness in the old Oak OTI-011 IDE chip may be right. Well, my 24X Drive says that it's a Tatung, but it was sold as a 'Vibrant'. Basically a no-name drive. Next time I open the case I'll have a closer look. -- Timo Geusch UNIX/NT System programmer & JAVA wizzard-in-training 'I ask for so little ... and boy, do I get it' Dilbert From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 05:28:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12720 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 05:28:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp10.portal.net.au [202.12.71.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12709 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 05:28:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04162; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:51:16 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801311321.XAA04162@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: teima@kk.etx.ericsson.se (Valter Mazzaro) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Embedded FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:01:42 BST." <199801300901.KAA09509@kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:51:15 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > At the moment we are investigating the possibility of implementing a > router card, i.e. a board substituting each Pentium PC. > We are trying to understand if we need to have a complete and commercial > RTOS or we can live with a BSD-like product. > As we are not so experienced in the embedded products field, I'm wondering > if some of you guys can give us an hint about it. You can do this reasonably easily; it depends on your cost target and desired form factors, and whether you want to design inhouse or use off-the-shelf parts. > 1) Is it possible to embed FreeBSD or whichever BSD on a single board > system? Yes. For small systems, it's positively trivial. > 2) Do you have any pointer to www sites, specific mailing lists, > articles, books, etc. that can help us? Not really. The "small systems" case above basically refers to the floppy-sized case; you build a floppy-disk-sized image containing a kernel and a compiled-in MFS image with your desired binaries, then blow it into a flash disk/EPROM disk, whatever. The BIOS on your SBC then loads the image, and FreeBSD thinks its come off a floppy. This lets you use real floppies for development, which is cheap and speedy (and for that matter you can keep using floppies in your final product if you want). In many ways, that's not a bad idea; floppy drives are cheap, reasonably robust, and your customers can make backups/upgrade/whatever very easily. > As you understand, we don't need just a yes/no answer, even because > running through the mailing lists archive it seems that is an old > question, and the answer it should be yes. What we need is to have > any indication about HOW to do it (stripped down systems, prom as > virtual disks, embedded SW structure, SW loading on the on-board > processor, an so on) See the PicoBSD stuff (on ftp.cdrom.com) for sample scripts for generating really stripped-down systems. These are ideally suited to the floppy-disk approach. > We don't like so much the idea of leaving FreeBSD, all of us are very > astonished how well it works, but the problem is that we lack information > for this further step. If you want to discuss this in detail, feel free to ask more questions, or mail me directly if you think it's inappropriate for general discussion. I've done much of this in various places already, so I know it's achievable. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 08:33:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29026 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:33:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29018 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@korin.warman.org.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26135; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:34:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:34:42 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Kazutaka YOKOTA cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-Reply-To: <199801310816.RAA25544@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: > The boot block for 3.0-CURRENT and 2.2.5-RELEASE prints a screen-full > of message: > > ... > Usage: bios_drive:interface(unit,partition)kernel_name options > bios_drive 0, 1, ... > interface fd, wd or sd > unit 0, 1, ... > partition a, c, ... > [Blah, blah,...] > > The text is read from /boot.help of the boot drive. While it is good > to have this help message once the OS is installed, it may be of very > little help to a first-time user who is booting our boot floppy. > Maybe we should make /boot.help on the boot floppy less technical. > Something like: > > ============================================================ > > ---== Welcome to the 2.2.6 RELEASE version of FreeBSD! ==--- > A Full 4.4 BSD Lite Based 32-bit Operating System > > March 1998 > FreeBSD Inc. > > ============================================================ I like this idea! I have always thought the boot message is a real repellent to newbies. It's simply too cryptic. OTOH, this version is much better than previous one... so at least we're heading in good direction :-)) Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 08:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00981 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:47:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00976 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:47:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA04671; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:47:58 -0800 (PST) To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Kazutaka YOKOTA , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:34:42 +0100." Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:47:58 -0800 Message-ID: <4667.886265278@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > OTOH, this version is much better than previous one... so at least we're > heading in good direction :-)) I believe the goal behind the current message was to eliminate all those novice users saying "how do I boot off the 1st drive on my 2nd controller?" - the information presented there may be cryptic, but it's also pretty useful if you're totally lost as to what your device name should be or how you can specify the partition and bios logical drive# independently. "Hello, and welcome to FreeBSD!" is certainly more friendly, but does very little to actually aid the user. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 09:00:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02700 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:00:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02694 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:00:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@korin.warman.org.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02505; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:02:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:02:03 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-Reply-To: <4667.886265278@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > OTOH, this version is much better than previous one... so at least we're > > heading in good direction :-)) > > I believe the goal behind the current message was to eliminate all > those novice users saying "how do I boot off the 1st drive on my 2nd > controller?" - the information presented there may be cryptic, but > it's also pretty useful if you're totally lost as to what your device > name should be or how you can specify the partition and bios logical > drive# independently. "Hello, and welcome to FreeBSD!" is certainly > more friendly, but does very little to actually aid the user. :-) Right :-) And what about the following: we could split this message into two parts - first would be displayed by default, and would contain the nice greeting message with two or three most common examples of usage. The second part would be available under 'help' command, and would display the usual stuff... Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 09:05:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03790 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:05:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03774 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04784; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:05:13 -0800 (PST) To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:02:03 +0100." Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: <4780.886266313@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > And what about the following: we could split this message into two parts - > first would be displayed by default, and would contain the nice greeting > message with two or three most common examples of usage. The second part > would be available under 'help' command, and would display the usual > stuff... Sure, gosh, I think we have at least 300 bytes left in the boot blocks to implement a help command parser with. Bruce? Do you remember the exact count? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 09:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07485 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu (x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu [134.84.115.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07469; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu) Received: from x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13881; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:27:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu) Message-Id: <199801311727.LAA13881@x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu> From: mikk0022@maroon.tc.umn.edu To: "Alton, Matthew" cc: fs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Filesystem hacking In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:52:27 CST." <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011> References: <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9C33287@STLABCEXG011> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:27:19 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:52:27 -0600 "Alton, Matthew" wrote >I have decided to code up an IBM-style journaling filesystem >(jfs) with maximum portability for free unices. While I'm at it >I had might as well have the clean-bits map to a PP/extent >disk arrangement which will act as a useful abstraction for a >Logical Volume Manager / Veritas -esque disk management >system which I also find interesting enough to code up. What do you know about LFS for FreeBSD. I haven't used it, but from what I understand, it was an early implementation of a "log-structured filesystem" for BSD. Are "log-structured" and "journaling" synonymous? I know that SGI's XFS is a hybrid, where each filesystem has a log which stores committed operations on the filesystem. The filesystem is a fairly normal filesystem from what I understand. The advantage to the separate log is flexibility -- some installations store the log on a separate, high speed disk, but most just use an "internal log" on the same partition as the filesystem. As far as Logical Volume Management, SGI's XLV is a good target (can you tell what kind of UNIXen I use at work yet? :-). In my understanding, the system marks each disk with its place in the volume, so the logical volume can be automagically composed on boot-up. This is nice, because there is no configuration file to worry about, and you can move around the disks on the SCSI chain without affecting the volume. >This is not an attempt to morph FreeBSD into AIX by any >means. I have zero real experience with AIX, but know enough to thank you kindly for this :-) Sorry 'bout going on about SGI. I'm really not a salesman, just a not-very-annoyed user tossing out ideas.... :-) I like the idea of implementing multiple filesystems on FreeBSD. I have a currently unused disk, if you'd like a beta tester (hint, hint... :-) -- Chris Mikkelson mikk0022@maroon.tc.umn.edu U of M Tuba and Student "Life is too short for windows..." '94-present From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 09:51:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10667 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:51:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sphinx.lovett.com (root@sphinx.lovett.com [38.155.241.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10659 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ade@demon.net) Received: from gorgon.lovett.com [38.155.241.3] (ade) by sphinx.lovett.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xyh4o-0003EV-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:51:34 -0600 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner Organization: Demon Internet Reply-To: ade@demon.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:05:13 PST." <4780.886266313@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:51:34 -0600 From: Ade Lovett Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >Sure, gosh, I think we have at least 300 bytes left in the boot blocks >to implement a help command parser with. Bruce? Do you remember the >exact count? :-) Actually, it can be made to fit, if you don't mind losing the "Can't find " printf()'s.. Patch below, against current-980131.. initial text printed is from /boot.banner .. typing 'help' changes this to print the contents of /boot.help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gorgon 461# cvs -d /code/FreeBSD diff boot.c RCS file: /code/FreeBSD/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/boot.c,v retrieving revision 1.69 diff -r1.69 boot.c 62a63 > #define BOOT_BANNER_SIZE 512 66a68 > static char boot_banner[BOOT_BANNER_SIZE]; 87a90 > char *boot_text = boot_banner; 128a132 > readfile("boot.banner", boot_banner, BOOT_BANNER_SIZE); 159c163 < boot_help); --- > boot_text); 176c180,183 < else --- > else if (!strcmp(linebuf, "help")) { > boot_text = boot_help; > goto loadstart; > } else 180,183c187 < ret = openrd(); < if (ret != 0) { < if (ret > 0) < printf("Can't find %s\n", name); --- > if (openrd() != 0) 185d188 < } 354,355d356 < int openstatus; < 358,362c359 < openstatus = openrd(); < if (openstatus != 0) { < if (openstatus > 0) < printf("Can't find file %s\n", name); < } else { --- > if (openrd() == 0) { ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -aDe -- Ade Lovett, Demon Internet, Austin, Texas. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 10:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16727 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:38:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (uucp@osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16686 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA23560 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:38:27 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA17468 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:37:14 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199801311837.TAA17468@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: test - please ignore... To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:37:14 +0100 (MET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' --------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net,Open]BSD Unix -- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 11:23:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21970 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (dgqy7l1d0Ym32/wN88cj+NVSPRpfMxCt@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21957 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:23:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak67.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.67] ([ei8tGrwPaOAQcxe7Xq0t/GL2kCZGgGYT]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xyiXF-0005L4-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:25:01 +0000 Received: from njs3 by oak67.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xyiVZ-0000hn-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:23:17 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:23:17 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Preemptive threads Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hi, Are the threads in 3.0-current supposed to be pre-emptive yet? I was just playing around with a multithreaded TCP echo server and it cannot accept more than one connection simultaneously. Also, the first call to read on a socket returns EAGAIN even though its not non-blocking. Regards, Niall From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 11:29:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22989 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:29:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22982 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00441; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:29:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21035; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:29:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:29:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199801311929.MAA21035@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Preemptive threads In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Are the threads in 3.0-current supposed to be pre-emptive yet? No, that requires kernel threads which aren't implemented (yet). Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 11:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25312 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25302 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:50:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20486; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd020483; Sat Jan 31 11:46:42 1998 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:43:11 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Niall Smart cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Preemptive threads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" If you've compiled with libc_r and the option THREAD_SAFE then you probably did get a non-blocking call to read.. a lot of that stuff is handled "under the covers". (just a guess) Julian On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Niall Smart wrote: > Hi, > > Are the threads in 3.0-current supposed to be pre-emptive yet? I was > just playing around with a multithreaded TCP echo server and it cannot > accept more than one connection simultaneously. Also, the first call > to read on a socket returns EAGAIN even though its not non-blocking. > > > Regards, > > Niall > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 12:10:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27392 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27387 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20767 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd020765; Sat Jan 31 12:01:42 1998 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:58:10 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvSup and permissions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" What are the correct permissions for the CVS tree? Unless I have everything rw_rw_??? with a group of 'eng' (engineering) people in the 'eng' group cannot use it. however cvsup keeps changing the permissions of everything so I've had to add a 'chmod -R g+rw /cvs; chgrp -R cvs /cvs' to teh script that runs cvsup each day. Is access to CVS goverened entirely by file permissions? We are using cvs directly on that machine, pserver mode within the company and rsh server elsewhere. I don't want to make cvs SUID.. Can cvsup be told to 'leave it alone'? should I set up everyone to some different group? How does this work? any pointers (yes I've looked for info but it's escaping me) would be welcome. julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 12:58:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05019 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:58:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04856 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:57:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02160; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:56:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980131155652.02149@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:56:52 -0500 From: Matthew Hunt To: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvSup and permissions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Julian Elischer on Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 11:58:10AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 11:58:10AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > Can cvsup be told to 'leave it alone'? > should I set up everyone to some different group? I had this problem when I upgraded my cvsup to 15.2. I run cvsup in checkout mode, so this information might not be quite right if you're maintaining a repository. I wanted everything to be root:wheel, umask 002, mostly so that wheel could build ports and just su for the install. When I upgraded cvsup, it reset the permissions every time, and filled my logs with "SetAttr" notices. The man page revealed, though, that it honors umask, so I now run it as (umask 002; cvsup -gL3 my.supfile) and all is well. I don't know what it does about ownership, though. Since I run it as root, everything gets root:wheel. Perhaps the normal BSD rules apply, and files are created with the group of the parent? -- Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 13:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06563 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:06:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06539 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13913; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:04:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199801312104.WAA13913@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-Reply-To: <4667.886265278@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 31, 98 08:47:58 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:03:59 +0100 (CET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > > OTOH, this version is much better than previous one... so at least we're > > heading in good direction :-)) > > I believe the goal behind the current message was to eliminate all > those novice users saying "how do I boot off the 1st drive on my 2nd > controller?" - the information presented there may be cryptic, but > it's also pretty useful if you're totally lost as to what your device > name should be or how you can specify the partition and bios logical > drive# independently. "Hello, and welcome to FreeBSD!" is certainly > more friendly, but does very little to actually aid the user. :-) Well, they don't need to boot off the first drive on their second controller when they are going to install. They don't have much choice but to continue booting off of the install floppy, anyway. Right? So, we could have the install floppy have a nice "welcome to freebsd install. press return" message at the boot prompt on that one. But have the install install one that actually helps them. That'd be nice, I think. /Mikael From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 13:15:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08000 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07992 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:15:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xykFo-0003md-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:15:08 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA05397 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:14:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199801312114.OAA05397@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Weekly hangs Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:14:55 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" I'm getting a hang on a 2.2.2R system here. Every week when /etc/weekly runs, it hangs. At first I thought it was due to vm space being exhausted (it is a 486 with 8M of memory) when makedb ran, but taking that out still causes the crash. Something else that causes a crash is man vidcontrol. The crash is somewhat interesting, it is a HARD HANG. You have to hit reset to get out of it. No interrupts appear to be processed. My question is, does this sound like an old bug that would be fixed by going to 2.2.5-stable? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 14:59:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20578 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rrz.Hanse.DE (hanse-gate.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20562 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:59:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Stefan.Bethke@Hanse.DE) Received: from daemon.Hanse.DE (daemon.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.17]) by rrz.Hanse.DE (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09721; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:59:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Stefan.Bethke@Hanse.DE) Received: from transit.hanse.de (transit.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.161]) by daemon.Hanse.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29042; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:58:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Stefan.Bethke@Hanse.DE) Received: from [193.174.9.163] (monster.transit.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.163]) by transit.hanse.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06805; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:02:02 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: stb@transit.hanse.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801312104.WAA13913@ocean.campus.luth.se> References: <4667.886265278@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 31, 98 08:47:58 am" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:03:12 +0100 To: Mikael Karpberg , jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) From: Stefan Bethke Subject: Re: boot floppy banner Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" At 22:03 Uhr +0100 31.01.1998, Mikael Karpberg wrote: >According to Jordan K. Hubbard: >> I believe the goal behind the current message was to eliminate all >> those novice users saying "how do I boot off the 1st drive on my 2nd >> controller?" >Well, they don't need to boot off the first drive on their second controller >when they are going to install. They don't have much choice but to continue >booting off of the install floppy, anyway. Certain other OSes have the tendency to replace the MBR or do other nasty things to your disk when you install them. Using the install floppy, you can boot from the drive or partition to restore booteasy or the boot loader, and at this point, a reminder of the options will be definitly useful, as you can't just enter 'man boot' :-) So booting from something different than the floppy is indeed useful, and any help will certainly appreciated, as the alternative would be to re-install. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Hamburg, Germany From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 15:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20823 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:01:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20703 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:00:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00368; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:22:10 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801312252.JAA00368@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Andrzej Bialecki , Kazutaka YOKOTA , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:47:58 -0800." <4667.886265278@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:22:10 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > OTOH, this version is much better than previous one... so at least we're > > heading in good direction :-)) > > I believe the goal behind the current message was to eliminate all > those novice users saying "how do I boot off the 1st drive on my 2nd > controller?" - the information presented there may be cryptic, but > it's also pretty useful if you're totally lost as to what your device > name should be or how you can specify the partition and bios logical > drive# independently. "Hello, and welcome to FreeBSD!" is certainly > more friendly, but does very little to actually aid the user. :-) I think the point is, though, that in the specific case of the install floppy, the user is unlikely to be booting off anything other than the kernel on said install floppy. How this affects the case where the user boots the install floppy because they muffed the BootEasy config, I am not so sure. IMHO, that might be a fixit-floppy case. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 15:07:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22194 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:07:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22189 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:07:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00405; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:29:43 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801312259.JAA00405@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: ade@demon.net cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:51:34 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:29:42 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > Patch below, against current-980131.. initial text printed is > from /boot.banner .. typing 'help' changes this to print the > contents of /boot.help diffs like this are bogus; please use -c or -u. However the idea's not bad. You could soup up the prompt a little so that "Enter 'help' for help" was there somewhere; having an otherwise hidden command would be a Big Lose. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 15:24:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24915 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sphinx.lovett.com (root@sphinx.lovett.com [38.155.241.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24889 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:24:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ade@demon.net) Received: from gorgon.lovett.com [38.155.241.3] (ade) by sphinx.lovett.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xymH1-0003m0-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:24:31 -0600 To: Mike Smith cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner Organization: Demon Internet Reply-To: ade@demon.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:29:42 +1030." <199801312259.JAA00405@word.smith.net.au> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:24:31 -0600 From: Ade Lovett Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Mike Smith writes: > >diffs like this are bogus; please use -c or -u. Sorry about that. Had it in my head that 'cvs diff' would do the right thing by itself - it's been a long couple of days :) >However the idea's not bad. You could soup up the prompt a little so >that "Enter 'help' for help" was there somewhere; having an otherwise >hidden command would be a Big Lose. I'd considered that, but thought it easier to add the relevant information into the /boot.banner message. My testbox used: ========================================================== --== Welcome to the 3.0-CURRENT version of FreeBSD ==-- A Full 4.4 BSD Lite Based 32-bit Operating System January 1998 FreeBSD Inc. Type 'help' for more information ========================================================== -aDe -- Ade Lovett, Demon Internet, Austin, Texas. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 15:36:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27150 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27138 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00596; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:59:07 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801312329.JAA00596@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: ade@demon.net cc: Mike Smith , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:24:31 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:59:07 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > > >However the idea's not bad. You could soup up the prompt a little so > >that "Enter 'help' for help" was there somewhere; having an otherwise > >hidden command would be a Big Lose. > > I'd considered that, but thought it easier to add the relevant > information into the /boot.banner message. My testbox used: This loses in the case where there is no boot.banner message. Help is not displayed by default anymore, and there is no way to determine that you need to type said command. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 16:49:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10678 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:49:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10638; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22566; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd022520; Sat Jan 31 17:49:21 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18732; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:49:17 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802010049.RAA18732@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Filesystem hacking To: mikk0022@maroon.tc.umn.edu Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:49:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Matthew.Alton@anheuser-busch.com, fs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801311727.LAA13881@x115-105.reshalls.umn.edu> from "mikk0022@maroon.tc.umn.edu" at Jan 31, 98 11:27:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" > What do you know about LFS for FreeBSD. I haven't used > it, but from what I understand, it was an early implementation > of a "log-structured filesystem" for BSD. Are "log-structured" > and "journaling" synonymous? No, they are not. A log-structured FS logs data; a journalling FS logs data and transactions in a transaction journal. A log structured FS can only roll transactions back to recover from failures. A journalling FS can roll transactions forward. A Journalling FS also allows you to expose a transactioning interface to allow you to group transactions. For example, if you have a relational database consisting of an index file and a records file, you can be guaranteed that a user transaction resulting in both the record file and the index file being modified is atomic, even if the individual operations are not idempotent. This saves the user process from having to process the roll-forward/roll-back themselves, using a two stage commit. It also saves you from reference problems in case of a failure in the middle of the index write for the second stage of the commit. > I know that SGI's XFS is a hybrid, where each filesystem has a log > which stores committed operations on the filesystem. The filesystem > is a fairly normal filesystem from what I understand. The advantage > to the separate log is flexibility -- some installations store > the log on a separate, high speed disk, but most just use an > "internal log" on the same partition as the filesystem. XFS internally seems to look a lot like NTFS internally. That is, it seems to journal. I've only looked at images of small XFS's snapshotted before and after transactions, I haven't really snooped out the structure. > As far as Logical Volume Management, SGI's XLV is a good target > (can you tell what kind of UNIXen I use at work yet? :-). In my > understanding, the system marks each disk with its place in the > volume, so the logical volume can be automagically composed on > boot-up. This is nice, because there is no configuration file to > worry about, and you can move around the disks on the > SCSI chain without affecting the volume. CCD can do this as well. The problem with most logical volume management strategy is that the FS types you could use if it were implemented in BSD can be grown (at the expense of fragmentation), but can't really be shrunk. In both the grow/shrink case, you need a defragmenter that can be run after/before the fact, and can be told to not reuse an area (for the shrink case). This is a pain, since the fragmentation has never really been a problem until you wanted to do this, so nobody has written much code to deal with it. Other than "tar"/"cpio" and using other media to store the image in the interim. 8-(. LFS/JFS/XFS/NTFS can deal with the changing volumes sizes, but only because they already have the concept of a garbage collection process which can be subverted into the role of an FS expander or contracter which can deal with the problem. Logical volume management is one of the reasons IO was unhappy to see LFS go into the attic. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 17:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13662 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlantis.eunet.at (a064.static.Vienna.AT.EU.net [193.154.186.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13644 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hfwirth@eunet.at) Received: from atlantis (localhost.ping.at [127.0.0.1]) by atlantis.eunet.at (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA20972; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:02:19 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34D3C99B.41C67EA6@eunet.at> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 02:02:19 +0100 From: "Helmut F. Wirth" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Can't get Linux-gdb (from ports collection) to work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Hello, is anybody using the linuxgdb-4.16 port? I have linux_devel and linux-libs from the ports collection installed and all works fine. I built the linux-gdb from the ports collection and it seems unable to run or attach to a linux program created with linux_devel. I am running freebsd-current. Example: The standard hello.c-> (modload /lkm/linux_mod.o is done before this) >file hello hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (Linux), statically linked, not stripped > >brandelf hello File 'hello' is of brand 'Linux'. > >hello Hello > >linux-gdb hello GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd3.0 --target i386-linux), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc... (gdb) (gdb)run Starting program: /home/users/hfwirth/work/3dfx/hello Don't know how to run. Try "help target". (gdb) ... If I try to attach to a running linux program, the same thing happens. What am I missing ? Any help appreciated. Thank you Helmut -- Helmut F. Wirth Email: hfwirth@ping.at From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 17:19:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16310 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soy.cyber.com.au (soy.cyber.com.au [203.7.155.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16254 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrenr@cyber.com.au) Received: (from darrenr@localhost) by soy.cyber.com.au (8.8.7/8.6.6) id MAA01226; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:18:41 +1100 From: Darren Reed Message-Id: <199802010118.MAA01226@soy.cyber.com.au> Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 To: woods@weird.com Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:18:41 +1100 (EST) Cc: ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Greg A. Woods" at Jan 28, 98 11:39:05 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" In some mail I received from Greg A. Woods, sie wrote > > [ On Wed, January 28, 1998 at 11:36:01 (+0200), Andrew Stesin wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 > > > > There is a new version of IPfilter, 3.2.3; it builds > > _very_ smooth on FreeBSD-2.2.+ (I'm using it on > > numerous STABLE snapshots as of last December and January, 98). > > > > I'm happy with 3.2.3 so far. > > You must be using it as an LKM. It will definitely not build into the > RELENG_2_2 branch without a couple of minor changes. I'm not aware of it requiring any minor changes for 2.2 - that is unless 2.2 has changed more since 2.2.5... Darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 20:33:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10415 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:33:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10407 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:33:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp id AA14355; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:32:51 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id NAA04698; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:40:32 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199802010440.NAA04698@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: boot floppy banner In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:47:58 PST." <4667.886265278@time.cdrom.com> References: <4667.886265278@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 13:40:31 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" >> OTOH, this version is much better than previous one... so at least we're >> heading in good direction :-)) > >I believe the goal behind the current message was to eliminate all >those novice users saying "how do I boot off the 1st drive on my 2nd >controller?" - the information presented there may be cryptic, but >it's also pretty useful if you're totally lost as to what your device >name should be or how you can specify the partition and bios logical >drive# independently. "Hello, and welcome to FreeBSD!" is certainly >more friendly, but does very little to actually aid the user. :-) > > Jordan Well, I am not suggesting to replace every copy of boot.help on the hard drives. I am only proposing that boot.help on the "boot.flp" to be less cryptic. When you are installing FreeBSD for the first time, you don't have any bootable FreeBSD partition on any hard disk! The boot floppy is the only bootable FreeBSD system. I agree that the current help message should be displayed once the system is installed. If the user is upgrading, there is a bootable FreeBSD partition on the hard drive. But, what he wants is to start the installer on the boot floppy in this case too, isn't it? If he wants to boot the system from the existing partition, why on earth he sticks the boot floppy in the floppy drive? Kazu From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 20:39:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10995 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:39:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from most.weird.com (root@most.weird.com [204.92.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10989 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:39:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woods@mail.weird.com) Received: from localhost (1843 bytes) by most.weird.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:38:46 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.102-Pre 1997-Dec-17 #5 built 1998-Jan-8) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:38:46 -0500 (EST) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 In-Reply-To: Darren Reed's message of "Sun, February 1, 1998 12:18:41 +1100" regarding "Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2" id <199802010118.MAA01226@soy.cyber.com.au> References: <199802010118.MAA01226@soy.cyber.com.au> Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" [ On Sun, February 1, 1998 at 12:18:41 (+1100), Darren Reed wrote: ] > Subject: Re: ip-filter integration into FreeBSD RELENG_2_2 > > I'm not aware of it requiring any minor changes for 2.2 - that is unless > 2.2 has changed more since 2.2.5... I should have patches available sometime next week (though I'm doing CVS training all next week though, so maybe not until the week after). There's a tiny header fix, and a backwards #ifdef for the SYSINIT(), and I think something else too. All my work is sitting behind the firewall right now though so I can't check on details.... ;-) I've also taken Julian's 3.0 integration and used it as the basis to integrate the user-land tools into the normal FreeBSD build process. In the end I also had to make a couple of critically important changes to FreeBSD get the 'make release' builds to work too (primarily w.r.t. osreldate.h which must be moved into the kernel build environment). -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 21:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14098 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:07:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14088 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:07:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@zeta.org.au) Received: from gurney.reilly.home (d8.syd2.zeta.org.au [203.26.11.8]) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29245; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:05:04 +1100 Received: (from andrew@localhost) by gurney.reilly.home (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA12567; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:01:42 +1100 (EST) From: Andrew Reilly Message-Id: <199802010301.OAA12567@gurney.reilly.home> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:01:42 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: Fujitsu MO drives To: lile@stdio.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On 30 Jan, Larry S. Lile wrote: > I am looking at getting a Fujitsu DynaMO 640si > drive and I was wondering if it will work under > FreeBSD. > > Anybody out there using one? How is it working? > > Larry > lile@stdio.com > I've got a M2513A, which is basically that, I think. It works fine on 230M media, but the 640M media uses 2k sectors and I have had no success to date using these. I live in hope. I believe that there is a 540M media with 512-byte sectors, but I've not found a supplier in Sydney. There were some patches floating around a while ago that purported to allow different sector sizes, but they never worked for me, even though they installed cleanly. I've since removed the patches, so that I can track 2.2-STABLE more easily. It seems that several changes are going into 3.0-current that make disk accesses operate on 64-bit byte counts, rather than 32-bit block counts, so perhaps an upgrade to 3.0 at some stage will give me a fully working drive. In the mean time, I find it a really useful and easy-to-use backup medium. I keep one mounted all the time, with /usr/ports/distfiles symlinked to it, for archival of package original stuff. -- Andrew "The steady state of disks is full." -- Ken Thompson From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 31 23:37:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02397 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:37:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlantis.eunet.at (a064.static.Vienna.AT.EU.net [193.154.186.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02388 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hfwirth@eunet.at) Received: from atlantis (localhost.ping.at [127.0.0.1]) by atlantis.eunet.at (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00250; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:37:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34D42632.41C67EA6@eunet.at> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 08:37:22 +0100 From: "Helmut F. Wirth" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't get Linux-gdb (from ports collection) to work References: <34D3C99B.41C67EA6@eunet.at> <34D3F524.41C67EA6@basme.org> <34D3FADC.2781E494@asme.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > FWIW, > I just noticed my return address was wrong :(. Anyway..maybe the > software you need is RTEMS, maybe you want to search for it...I usually > don't use that type of things ... > > hope that helps, > > Pedro. > > Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > > > AFAIK, neither of the crossgdb ports work with emulation, they are only > > good for examining core dumps: I included them only because the crossgcc > > FAQ said they are part of the normal crosskit.. BTW, I think not even > > the Linux native gdb will run Linux binaries. It actually *runs* them fine, but debugging does'nt work, because the Linux emulator does not support ptrace()! > > > > sorry, > > > > Pedro. > > I will go hunting for the package you mentioned above. Thank you Helmut -- Helmut F. Wirth Email: hfwirth@ping.at