From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 00:36:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23375 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:36:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23363; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:36:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24795; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:06:17 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA23016; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:06:16 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980215190616.44412@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:06:16 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith , A Joseph Koshy Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, cjs@portal.ca Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations References: <199802150744.XAA22883@palrel1.hp.com> <199802150758.XAA01524@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802150758.XAA01524@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sat, Feb 14, 1998 at 11:58:19PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 14 February 1998 at 23:58:19 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>>>>> "Mike Smith" writes >> FreeBSD folks, you are seeing just the tip of the iceberg. Did you know >> that *a huge number* words and phrases in the english language have been >> trademarked or servicemarked on way or the other in the US? Large companies >> in the US spend tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars in trademark searches. > > Fortunately, you appear not to quite have grasped the way that > contemporary trademark law works. In addition to the name matching, > the *category* has to match too. That would be nice. Remember the first edition of CFBSD: Triton is not a trade mark of Intel Corporation. It is a trade mark of some other company which, to the best of my knowledge, has nothing to do with computers. Unfortunately, an overly zealous German lawyer has taken to suing people who use this name to refer to the chipset. Sheesh. In fact, the name was only similar, and it was trademarked in a completely different area. Of course, that's in Germany, and trademark law differs a lot from one country to another (in fact, the trademark owner was in the Netherlands). > If I own the trademark "grep", for my brand of unique fractal-pattern > rubber gloves, I am not in a situation where the grep(1) utility's name > conflicts. If I own the service mark "NCR Control" for my cash > register repair business, likewise. Not quite, although there is a car hire company called UNIX Rent in Germany. They can get away with it because UNIX was never registered world-wide. On the other hand, Tandem owns the trademark NonStop, and found that in some Nordic country they have a beer which uses "non-stop" as an advertising gimmick. Tandem didn't press the issue, especially since the brewery was a customer, but both sides took the issue seriously, and not just because Tandem was a well-known beer-drinking company. > There aren't too many consumer products whose category space conflicts > with FreeBSD. Games are one of the few, and we can happily live > without them. I think you're completely off track on this one. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 00:48:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25031 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:48:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA24919 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:48:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA25658; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:20:27 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199802150720.IAA25658@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: some funny things To: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:20:27 +0100 (MET) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Alex" at Feb 14, 98 12:00:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This is normal; pcm0 is the statically configured device, pcm1 is the > > first PnP device. > > I still find that to be at least a little bit annoying, but at least it so do i, but don't have a better way unless we radically change the boot procedure, by first probing everything on all buses, then assigning unit numbers, then attach everything. > works. Oddly enough, my SB32 (according to the BIOS), probes as an SB16 > PnP. for the pcm driver all vintages of SB16 (SB16 isa/pnp, Vibra16, SB32, AWExx) are the same. I don't even know where the difference is, but probably in the synth functionalities (i.e. 32 or 64 voices ?) which are unsupported. cheers -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 01:03:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27204 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27184; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA20463; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:01:16 -0800 (PST) To: A Joseph Koshy cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, cjs@portal.ca Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:15:03 +0530." <199802150744.XAA22883@palrel1.hp.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:01:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20459.887533276@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Which is what FreeBSD seems to be doing. Ok, boggle and tetris are > "just games", but thats not the point. No, that's the entire point. If they were something more important than just games then of course we'd seek alternatives, the aggressiveness of such seeking being in direct proportion to the magnitude of the problem, and we'd find some sort of solution. That's what you and so many other folks out there just don't seem to get about this whole thing - a successful strategy isn't about drawing lines in the sand and saying "This is my line of death! This line you shall not cross!" since the Libyans have already proven that saying things like that without the sheer might to back it up is only a good way of getting lots of egg (and worse) on your face when someone *does* cross the line. No, the issue of trademarks and other legal hoops is a Big Problem which requires flexible rather than dogmatic responses and becoming a test case on something like Boggle purely in the service of some warped Quixotic ideal does not exactly strike me as the wisest course of action here. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 01:04:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27758 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27750; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA20492; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:03:55 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Smith cc: A Joseph Koshy , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, cjs@portal.ca Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:58:19 PST." <199802150758.XAA01524@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:03:55 -0800 Message-ID: <20489.887533435@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Nothing. I didn't flinch during the last planetary alignment either. The man has nerves of STEEL, I tell you! :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 02:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12980 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:47:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12965 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:47:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA22901 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:27:08 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA03145 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:23:58 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199802151023.LAA03145@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:23:58 +0100 (MET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- Please reply in private email, no need to clutter -hackers I'm shopping for a new mainboard to replace my old Asus P55TP4XE. It's lacking a VRM so I can't really upgrade the CPU with something more current. Appreciate comments on Asus TXP4 and Asus TX97-E Other suggestions also welcome, but no ATX boards please. Thanks, Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' --------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net,Open]BSD Unix -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 05:09:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02020 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 05:09:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02008 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 05:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id OAA02976 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:08:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id NAA00293; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:27:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980215132713.12891@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:27:13 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <19980214195313.45645@keltia.freenix.fr> <199802150658.XAA02323@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.3i In-Reply-To: <199802150658.XAA02323@usr02.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 06:58:57AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4066 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Terry Lambert: > Is this "freeing free page" or "freeing busy page"? The former. > Are you using CCD? No. > Are you mounting async? Yes but the panic happens at *boot* time when the kernel just finished to probe. No FS is mounted async at that moment. > Are you trying to use union mounts, or any other FS other than FFS, > such as NFS, MSDOSFS, etc.? No. > Have you compiled your kernel -g, then copied it, "strip -d"'ed the > copy, and run on the stripped copy until you got a panic, so you could > do a source level debug of the kernel code in question? This was a 3.0-SNAP boot floppy :-) > to go looking for yourself. Do *NOT* mail them to me! Don't worry Terry, I use a modem too :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Feb 14 15:42:16 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 05:35:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA05233 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 05:35:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05162 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 05:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01579 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:37:32 GMT Message-ID: <000e01bd3a15$eee2b100$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: Subject: debugging linux emu? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:29:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG a bunch of programs i run are linux bins and a lot of them don't support sound when brought to freebsd, i am using OSS and i was wondering if there was a debug flag on the linux emu to output what systems calls might be made that aren't supported... or can anyone recommend a way to trap on all access to the sound devices? --Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 06:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10182 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 06:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from walter.doc.ic.ac.uk (kvQaatDWVjLtCgucjQ6CzmrhxKA7j6k5@walter.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA10171 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 06:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31] ([hFhjMBSvUkQJh/GyR/LN7txJi4Zk3YB6]) by walter.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y44BV-0005II-00; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:32:41 +0000 Received: from oak71.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.71] ([tmnACdtKCP3nMwBPr8/uszWruonxgmvt]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y44EE-0006bQ-00; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:35:30 +0000 Received: from njs3 by oak71.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y44BO-000299-00; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:32:34 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:32:34 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems getting GCC 2.8 working on 3.0-971225-SNAP Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I've searched the list for answers to this question but came up with nothing so here goes: I'm trying to get GCC 2.8 working to play with the better support for C++ exceptions and templates. However, exceptions don't work at all, has anyone else experienced this? I looked at the EGCS FAQ, and it said that problems with exceptions could be caused by using an old assembler, current uses the one from binutils 1.92.3 which sounds pretty ancient. I tried building binutils 2.8.1 with no success: ld: tc-i386.o: malformed input file (not rel or archive) *** Error code 1 (That was after ./configure --host=i586-Intel-freebsdelf) Any ideas? Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 06:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11847 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 06:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.rdu.bellsouth.net (mail.rdu.bellsouth.net [205.152.32.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11841 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 06:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from apesa@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-207-53-8-44.rdu.bellsouth.net [207.53.8.44]) by mail.rdu.bellsouth.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02126; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:26:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E6FB62.F2D6EC3F@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:27:47 -0500 From: "Arthur P. Pesa" Organization: Integrated Object Development X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic: general protection fault (one long line) References: <34E6661B.A5778FBA@bellsouth.net> <19980215145859.56665@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > >> syncing disks... done > > Do these all come at once? That's unusual. Anyway, what we need here > is a dump to look at. Do you have one? Is the machine set up for > one? If not, set it up and see if the dump will happen then. It > would also help if you have a debug kernel. See > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook264.html#599for further > details. > > Greg Thanks for your response, I am in the process of setting up a debug kernel and will try to reproduce the problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 09:48:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28456 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28450 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:48:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17661; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802151747.JAA17661@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Alfred Perlstein" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:29:35 EST." <000e01bd3a15$eee2b100$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:47:50 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Usually, the ioctl which are not supported by the linux emulation layer are printed on the console when a program attempts to use them. Our linux sound support on -current is fairly decent so try to use -current. Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 10:18:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02533 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (dyna2-166.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02525 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA00480; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:18:10 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:18:10 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-Reply-To: <199802151747.JAA17661@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Usually, the ioctl which are not supported by the linux emulation layer > are printed on the console when a program attempts to use them. > > Our linux sound support on -current is fairly decent so try to use -current. I'm not sure if this is a 'linux emu' problem or not, but the x11amp software (Linux binaries only available right now) requires that the spectrum analyzer be disabled, or else it stutters. I've not tried it under Linux itself, so it may be a problem there as well...just wondering if this is to be expected because of the 'emulation'? Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 10:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04156 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04149 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04648 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:34:07 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03394; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:34:07 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980215193407.36627@follo.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:34:07 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Suggested change to bsd.prog.mk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Index: bsd.prog.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/mk/bsd.prog.mk,v retrieving revision 1.59 diff -u -r1.59 bsd.prog.mk --- bsd.prog.mk 1997/12/18 12:56:52 1.59 +++ bsd.prog.mk 1998/02/15 18:13:45 @@ -25,6 +25,7 @@ .endif .if defined(PROG) +.if !target(${PROG}) .if defined(SRCS) DPSRCS+= ${SRCS:M*.h} @@ -47,6 +48,7 @@ ${CC} ${CFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} -o ${.TARGET} ${OBJS} ${LDDESTDIR} ${LDADD} .endif +.endif .if !defined(MAN1) && !defined(MAN2) && !defined(MAN3) && \ !defined(MAN4) && !defined(MAN5) && !defined(MAN6) && \ Do anybody see any negative effects of not trying to transform PROG from C source if the target is already defined? It fixes some of my problems; specifically, it allows a Makefile like the below to work: PROG=testprog NOMAN=yes STRIP= ${PROG}: ${PROG}.pl install -c -m 555 ${.CURDIR}/${PROG}.pl ${.OBJDIR}/${PROG} .include This is IMHO much better than the beforeinstall: hacks that are spread around the FreeBSD source tree. It seems less like a hack, and allow one to use ${.OBJDIR}/${PROG} for direct execution. The above is actually a slightly edited Makefile from my build-cycle, and 'testprog' is never installed anywhere, but just used in place. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 10:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05940 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:44:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (dyna2-166.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05889 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA00639; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:42:42 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:42:42 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-Reply-To: <199802151827.KAA17948@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > I have no idea if x11amp works or not -- if you can first try it out > on linux or see if you can get hold of the sources and compile it > for FreeBSD. Working on the sources, and will check with one of the linux group at work about whether it works for them... > > Amancio > > > > > On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > Usually, the ioctl which are not supported by the linux emulation layer > > > are printed on the console when a program attempts to use them. > > > > > > Our linux sound support on -current is fairly decent so try to use -current. > > > > I'm not sure if this is a 'linux emu' problem or not, but the > > x11amp software (Linux binaries only available right now) requires that > > the spectrum analyzer be disabled, or else it stutters. I've not tried it > > under Linux itself, so it may be a problem there as well...just wondering > > if this is to be expected because of the 'emulation'? > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 10:46:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06652 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06631 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:46:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18154; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802151845.KAA18154@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:42:42 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:45:49 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the mean time, this is where x11amp is dying : Amancio 18088 x11amp RET open 10/0xa 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045005 ,0xefbfcd00) 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 18088 x11amp CALL open(0x80652d5,0x2,0xb) 18088 x11amp NAMI "/compat/linux/dev/mixer" 18088 x11amp NAMI "/dev/mixer" 18088 x11amp RET open 12/0xc 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xc,0x80044dfe ,0xefbfccfc) 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045003 ,0xefbfcd10) 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045002 ,0xefbfcd0c) 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045004 ,0x80945bc) 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 18088 x11amp CALL dup2(0xefbfccb0) 18088 x11amp RET dup2 673128448/0x281f2000 18088 x11amp CALL old.getsockname 18088 x11amp PSIG SIGSYS SIG_DFL 18088 x11amp NAMI "x11amp.core" 18076 x11amp RET write 4 18076 x11amp CALL write(0x8,0xefbfcea8,0x4) > On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > I have no idea if x11amp works or not -- if you can first try it out > > on linux or see if you can get hold of the sources and compile it > > for FreeBSD. > > Working on the sources, and will check with one of the linux group > at work about whether it works for them... > > > > > > Amancio > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Usually, the ioctl which are not supported by the linux emulation layer > > > > are printed on the console when a program attempts to use them. > > > > > > > > Our linux sound support on -current is fairly decent so try to use -current. > > > > > > I'm not sure if this is a 'linux emu' problem or not, but the > > > x11amp software (Linux binaries only available right now) requires that > > > the spectrum analyzer be disabled, or else it stutters. I've not tried it > > > under Linux itself, so it may be a problem there as well...just wondering > > > if this is to be expected because of the 'emulation'? > > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 10:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07240 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07217; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA09833; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:31:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PROPOSAL: Process Authentication Groups (PAGs) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a formalization of some of the issues Peter and I (and others) have previosly discussed. For the purposes of Coda, this PAG architecture should be sufficient for our requirements (and is similar to the AFS concept of PAG, albeit with different implementations). I would like to try to come up with a more general architecture (which meets some of the requirements laid out by Terry and myself), but as long as the PAG behavior is a compatible subset, working with these goals should be fine from now. One of these days (read: in the next 9 months or so) I want to try implementing some ideas I've had about alternate authentication and authorization structures under FreeBSD on a kernel test machine or two. In the context of distributed systems, integration of Kerberos (and other systems) of distributed security really only work with UNIX as hacks (such as the concept of a ticket file, ssh-agent, etc). If there is sufficient interest out there, I'd like to set up a mailing list to discuss the integration of alternative systems into standard UNIX -- both methods taken by others and possible new ones. Please email me if this is of interest to you? Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:04:21 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Braam To: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, robert@watson.org, tytso@mit.edu, yale-pag-project , john.hartman@yale.edu, matthew.hiller@yale.edu, Michael Callahan Subject: PROPOSAL: Process Authentication Groups (PAGs) Process Authentication Groups ----------------------------- Coda as well as other system services want to implement a stricter form of protection and authentication. Unix authorizes processes based on their uid -- the uid defines a partition of the set of processes. Coda finds this partition into protection groups based on uid too coarse; the sets of processes it wants to authorize should be smaller. For example smbfs and ncpfs need subsets of processes to allow more than one authenticated session to an NT or Novel server, much like Coda. Another example, is that root is not to be trusted lightly but can change its uid easily -- systems based on the Kerberos model don't like this. A further worry arises when telnetd is serving two sessions for the same uid, it is good practice to ask each of these sessions to authenticate. The smaller group of processes for which authentication should give access is called a PAG, a process authentication group. Hopefully defined by the following: - Every process should belong to a pag - Pag's are inherited by fork - at boottime init has a zero pag - when process executes a login related operation (preferrably through a PAM module) this login process would execute a "newpag" system call which places the process in a new PAG. - any process can execute newpag and thereby leave an authentication group of which is was a member - the kernel can return a list of PAG's in use (a la "ps") so that processes holding resources indexed by PAGs can garbage collect resources for PAGS that have gone away. This list will include the pags found under "SAVED_IDS". PAG's are different from process groups and session groups. These change more often and are meant for job control. History ------- The Andrew project used PAGs for AFS authentication. They were "hacked" in the sense that they used 2 fields in the groups array. Root can fairly easily change fields in the group array on some systems -- so this doesn't look so nice. I have no idea what the second field was used for. They called the system call "setpag", but "newpag" seems to better convey semantics. Finally there was/is a special value of pag which was meant to be ignored. I haven't seen the need for this. Implementation -------------- The simplest is to assign a PAGid just like the pid when newpag is executed. This costs one "int" field in the process structure. The PAG can be made increasing and will always be new. Newpag will be a simple system call increasing a global variable maxpag and assigning this to the PAG field in the process structure. We could use /proc/pags to hold a list of pags. One may argue that kernel subsystems may want to hold data related to a PAG and that using a pointer to some kernel data structure - which we can extend as need arises - is more efficient. The worry I have about this is that this pointer may be re-used for a different PAG and that it might be difficult to update all user level processing holding data related to a PAG. How would Coda use PAGS? ------------------------ The following discussion summarizes our ideas about using PAGs for Coda. When a system call reaches the Coda kernel code, Coda queries Venus for access by giving it the PAG as part of the Coda credentials of the process. Venus checks if it has a token for this pag and bases access on this. To get a token a process in the same PAG would use the "clog" (Coda login) program. This negotiates a session key with the auth server (perhaps using Kerberos) and asks the kernel to pass Venus the session key and PAG -- from this moment Venus associates a PAG with a session key. A) session keys for root There are a few interesting issues which relate to root and PAGS. Since PAGS are inherited by fork, it could be very dangerous for a root process to have a session key. Imagine that root has a session key and starts a deamon process. The deamon process would inherit the permissions root has through it's PAG and session key and possibly pass such permissions to any user process requesting service from the daemon. In contrast with this, it is highly desirable that root can start processes which have session keys: however we don't want to give the current PAG those session keys since that could be risky. We propose the following solution: 1) clog will not acquire token for the root user without a further argument. 2) clog can be given a "-e" (for execute) flag. If one were to execute: clog braam -e program Clog would: fork in the child: newpag get a session key exec(program) If roots want a Coda authenticated shell with a key for user moose she would execute: clog moose -e bash B) weaker authentication for special programs Imagine that we are running an NFS server on machine A, and that A is a coda client. We want this nfs server to export /coda to machine B. We assume that the nfs server is well behaved and changes its fsuid to that of the user on behalf of which it is servicing a request. To make this useful we would want a user U on B to telnet to A and create an "unsafe" session key there with "clog --unsafe U". A session key would be given to Venus with a sloppy flag which enables the following: When Venus decides access permissions to serve a request coming from the NFS server, it fails to find a PAG key for the PAG passed by the NFS server. It continues searching for a sloppy key matching the fsuid of the NFS server and grants permissions based on that. - Peter Braam - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 11:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10128 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10123 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:13:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17948; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802151827.KAA17948@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:18:10 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:27:17 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have no idea if x11amp works or not -- if you can first try it out on linux or see if you can get hold of the sources and compile it for FreeBSD. Amancio > On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Usually, the ioctl which are not supported by the linux emulation layer > > are printed on the console when a program attempts to use them. > > > > Our linux sound support on -current is fairly decent so try to use -current. > > I'm not sure if this is a 'linux emu' problem or not, but the > x11amp software (Linux binaries only available right now) requires that > the spectrum analyzer be disabled, or else it stutters. I've not tried it > under Linux itself, so it may be a problem there as well...just wondering > if this is to be expected because of the 'emulation'? > > > Marc G. Fournier > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 11:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13179 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:39:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13170 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.63]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA159; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:36:43 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA00327; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:38:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980215143845.16458@scsn.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:38:46 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: The Hermit Hacker , Amancio Hasty Cc: Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: The Hermit Hacker , Amancio Hasty , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199802151747.JAA17661@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from The Hermit Hacker on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 02:18:10PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 02:18:10PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Usually, the ioctl which are not supported by the linux emulation layer > > are printed on the console when a program attempts to use them. > > > > Our linux sound support on -current is fairly decent so try to use -current. > > I'm not sure if this is a 'linux emu' problem or not, but the > x11amp software (Linux binaries only available right now) requires that > the spectrum analyzer be disabled, or else it stutters. I've not tried it > under Linux itself, so it may be a problem there as well...just wondering > if this is to be expected because of the 'emulation'? Just this weekend, I installed SlackWare in an effort to get around the problems I've had with the outdated linux_devel port. I downloaded x11amp and tried it on both FBSD and Slackware. I had the same problems you describe on FBSD, but it worked without a hitch on SlackWare. Just so ya know... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 12:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18768 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18759 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA23878; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma023876; Sun Feb 15 12:40:13 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA25372; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:40:08 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199802152040.MAA25372@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: IP tunnels In-Reply-To: <19980213100658.20479@deepo.prosa.dk> from Philippe Regnauld at "Feb 13, 98 10:06:58 am" To: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:40:08 -0800 (PST) Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Philippe Regnauld writes: > sthaug@nethelp.no writes: > > > If no code is available, > > > and there is interest, I may hack something up over the weekend. Cisco ha > > > their own tunneling protocol (I forget exactly what TLA they use to name > > > > GRE. > > I believe Linux has support for this (so I heard). What a coincidence. I'm starting to play with GRE a little bit. I was simply going to open a raw IP socket with IPPROTO_GRE (47) and filter out sub-protocols that I don't want (by examining the GRE protocol field): s = socket(AF_INET, IPPROTO_RAW, 0); read(s, (char *) &packet, sizeof(packet)); if (packet.proto != 0x809b) break; /* process packet */ However, it might be useful to make GRE a supported kernel protocol. There would not be much code involved, but it would be kindof handy. So if you were tunneling AppleTalk, for example, you could say this: proto = 0x809b; /* Ethertype for AppleTalk */ s = socket(AF_INET, IPPROTO_GRE, proto); /* process packet */ You would still read and write complete GRE packets; the kernel would simply be mulitplexing incoming packets to sockets based on the GRE protocol number (in the above example, 0x0800). So different processes that were tunnelling different things could operate independently. Optionally, the kernel could provide slightly more service, like automatically filling in the checksum if the checksum bit is set, verifying incoming packets' checksums, etc. The question is.. is this something worth doing? If so, I'll can try to hack something up. -Archie References: RFC 1701, RFC 1702 ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 13:40:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25980 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:40:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25975 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09397; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd009357; Sun Feb 15 14:39:59 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03239; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:39:57 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802152139.OAA03239@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:39:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980215132713.12891@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Feb 15, 98 01:27:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Are you mounting async? > > Yes but the panic happens at *boot* time when the kernel just finished to > probe. No FS is mounted async at that moment. If an FS was mounted async, it could have been damaged beyond the ability of fsck to repair it as the result of a crash. I do not spend time railing against async just because I like to hear myself type. I do it because async is actually dangerous to FS integrity. *If* you had a file, and *if* the pages in that file were crosslinked to another file, and *if* both files had been faulted in, and *if* one had been freed, *then* when you went to free the second, you would be "freeing free page" off the devvp. Actually, the reason I asked about what the VM object was (which you can only get by running a kernel debugger against the dump) was to see whether or not this was a buffer on a mount device, a buffer on a swap device, or a buffer on a vnode being used as a swap store. > > Are you trying to use union mounts, or any other FS other than FFS, > > such as NFS, MSDOSFS, etc.? > > No. OK, this rules out the worst of the minefield. > > Have you compiled your kernel -g, then copied it, "strip -d"'ed the > > copy, and run on the stripped copy until you got a panic, so you could > > do a source level debug of the kernel code in question? > > This was a 3.0-SNAP boot floppy :-) Ah. Compression. Disable your internal and external cache for the time you are booting, and see if it fixes it. Also, do you have 48M? If so, remove 16M for the install. Do you have a 3.0 installed? You should take the kernel from the SNAP and see if you can boot it normally, or if the floppy itself is corrupted (ie: try another floppy, try the kernel not on the floppy, etc.). You should be able to boot a 3.x kernel on a 2.x system, so long as you don't go multiuser (multiuser requires the new mount, new net code, etc.). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 13:53:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26963 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:53:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA26927 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 4543 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Feb 1998 21:52:01 +0000 (GMT) To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:39:57 +0000 (GMT)" References: <199802152139.OAA03239@usr01.primenet.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:52:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4541.887579521@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This was a 3.0-SNAP boot floppy :-) > > Ah. Compression. Disable your internal and external cache for the > time you are booting, and see if it fixes it. Also, do you have 48M? > If so, remove 16M for the install. Many other people (myself included) are seeing the exact same problem. I had it on a machine with 64 M. Also, I highly doubt that we're all having problems with our floppies, caches etc. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 13:56:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27348 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:56:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27291 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:55:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA05022; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:56:17 GMT Message-ID: <002f01bd3a5b$9dcc78a0$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Niall Smart" , Subject: Re: Problems getting GCC 2.8 working on 3.0-971225-SNAP Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:49:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hmm are you sure you installed it into the right DIR? last time i checked the port of gcc 2.8 gets put into /usr/local/bin not /usr/bin so most likely you are still using 2.7x, type "gcc -v" to test for this and see what version it prints. -Al -----Original Message----- From: Niall Smart To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, February 15, 1998 5:27 AM Subject: Problems getting GCC 2.8 working on 3.0-971225-SNAP >Hi all, > >I've searched the list for answers to this question but came up with >nothing so here goes: > >I'm trying to get GCC 2.8 working to play with the better support for >C++ exceptions and templates. However, exceptions don't work at all, >has anyone else experienced this? > >I looked at the EGCS FAQ, and it said that problems with exceptions could >be caused by using an old assembler, current uses the one from binutils >1.92.3 which sounds pretty ancient. I tried building binutils 2.8.1 with >no success: > >ld: tc-i386.o: malformed input file (not rel or archive) > *** Error code 1 > >(That was after ./configure --host=i586-Intel-freebsdelf) > >Any ideas? > >Niall > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 14:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28219 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:00:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28204 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:00:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12715; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:00:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd012709; Sun Feb 15 15:00:49 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03843; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:00:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802152200.PAA03843@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Problems getting GCC 2.8 working on 3.0-971225-SNAP To: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Niall Smart" at Feb 15, 98 01:32:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've searched the list for answers to this question but came up with > nothing so here goes: > > I'm trying to get GCC 2.8 working to play with the better support for > C++ exceptions and templates. However, exceptions don't work at all, > has anyone else experienced this? Configuring GCC 2.8.0 from the GNU distribution rather than the port, I have not seen a problem with exceptions. Are you using the port? Make sure that you have installed and are using the new libgcc.a, not the old one. > I looked at the EGCS FAQ, and it said that problems with exceptions could > be caused by using an old assembler, current uses the one from binutils > 1.92.3 which sounds pretty ancient. I tried building binutils 2.8.1 with > no success: GCC 2.8.0 from the FSF works. The Cygnus stuff has broken handing for exceptions. Specifically, you have to decide at runtime instead of compile time whether you are going to allow it to be threaded or not. If you use the recently checked in changes to libc_r *and* you use GCC 2.8.0 from FSF, then the per thread exception stacks work at runtime instead of at compiler build time. If you are using threads, and expecting exceptions to work, then you *must* use this code combination (our work on the patches was done for ACAPD, which relies heavily on pthreads, exceptions, and the standard template library). You *can* use the new libc_r code with the released FreeBSD compiler, *but* if you do not use 2.8.0, then exceptions and pthreads *will NOT work*. If you are using the STL, do *NOT* use the GNU STL. Instead use the STL from http://www.ipmce.su/~fbp/stl/ . There is a conflict with libio derived code. The code here is the SGI STL, as modified by HP, as modified by the Moscow Center for SPARC Technology. There are a number of problems you will have to overcome if you plan on using pthreads; specifically, FreeBSD's pthreads are still draft 4, and do not allow static initialization of pthreads mutexes. I have a number of patches to fix this in stl_alloc.h, but since our use didn't require stl_lock.h, ropeimpl.h, or stl_rope.h, it's not fixed there (yet). I hope that FreeBSD's pthreads are standards compliant before this becomes an issue. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 14:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28599 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28586; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25494; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:30:42 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA00776; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:30:42 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980216083042.33061@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:30:42 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wilko Bulte Cc: mike@smith.net.au, koshy@india.hp.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, cjs@portal.ca Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations References: <19980215190616.44412@freebie.lemis.com> <199802151123.MAA04134@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802151123.MAA04134@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 12:23:57PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 February 1998 at 12:23:57 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Greg Lehey wrote... >> On Sat, 14 February 1998 at 23:58:19 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> "Mike Smith" writes >>>> FreeBSD folks, you are seeing just the tip of the iceberg. Did you know >>>> that *a huge number* words and phrases in the english language have been >>>> trademarked or servicemarked on way or the other in the US? Large companies >>>> in the US spend tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars in trademark searches. >>> >>> Fortunately, you appear not to quite have grasped the way that >>> contemporary trademark law works. In addition to the name matching, >>> the *category* has to match too. >> >> That would be nice. Remember the first edition of CFBSD: >> >> Triton is not a trade mark of Intel Corporation. It is a trade mark >> of some other company which, to the best of my knowledge, has >> nothing to do with computers. Unfortunately, an overly zealous >> German lawyer has taken to suing people who use this name to refer >> to the chipset. Sheesh. >> >> In fact, the name was only similar, and it was trademarked in a >> completely different area. Of course, that's in Germany, and >> trademark law differs a lot from one country to another (in fact, the >> trademark owner was in the Netherlands). > > Triton is a software product, if I'm not mistaken an early product of > Baan Company. The name of the product in question wasn't Triton, just something like it. There was a writeup in c't a while back, but I can't put my hands on it. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 14:07:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29460 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:07:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29447 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:07:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25501; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:37:06 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA06103; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:37:05 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980216083705.18143@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:37:05 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <199802151023.LAA03145@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802151023.LAA03145@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 11:23:58AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 February 1998 at 11:23:58 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > -- Please reply in private email, no need to clutter -hackers > > I'm shopping for a new mainboard to replace my old Asus P55TP4XE. It's > lacking a VRM so I can't really upgrade the CPU with something more current. > > Appreciate comments on Asus TXP4 and Asus TX97-E Other suggestions also > welcome, but no ATX boards please. A number of TX based motherboards, including the IWill P55XB2 and an unnamed Totem board, have problems with the serial ports. I can't get FreeBSD to recognize them at all. While people are recommending, what would you recommend for a 128 MB RAM system? Almost all boards nowadays are TX, but they only cache 64 MB. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 14:09:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29809 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29789; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:09:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA16107 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:55:10 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA04134; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:23:57 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199802151123.MAA04134@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-Reply-To: <19980215190616.44412@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Feb 15, 98 07:06:16 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:23:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, koshy@india.hp.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, cjs@portal.ca X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Greg Lehey wrote... > On Sat, 14 February 1998 at 23:58:19 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > >>>>>> "Mike Smith" writes > >> FreeBSD folks, you are seeing just the tip of the iceberg. Did you know > >> that *a huge number* words and phrases in the english language have been > >> trademarked or servicemarked on way or the other in the US? Large companies > >> in the US spend tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars in trademark searches. > > > > Fortunately, you appear not to quite have grasped the way that > > contemporary trademark law works. In addition to the name matching, > > the *category* has to match too. > > That would be nice. Remember the first edition of CFBSD: > > Triton is not a trade mark of Intel Corporation. It is a trade mark > of some other company which, to the best of my knowledge, has > nothing to do with computers. Unfortunately, an overly zealous > German lawyer has taken to suing people who use this name to refer > to the chipset. Sheesh. > > In fact, the name was only similar, and it was trademarked in a > completely different area. Of course, that's in Germany, and > trademark law differs a lot from one country to another (in fact, the > trademark owner was in the Netherlands). Triton is a software product, if I'm not mistaken an early product of Baan Company. _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' --------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net,Open]BSD Unix -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 14:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05111 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05100 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13751; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd013720; Sun Feb 15 15:08:53 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04157; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:08:49 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802152208.PAA04157@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: sthaug@nethelp.no Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:08:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4541.887579521@verdi.nethelp.no> from "sthaug@nethelp.no" at Feb 15, 98 10:52:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ah. Compression. Disable your internal and external cache for the > > time you are booting, and see if it fixes it. Also, do you have 48M? > > If so, remove 16M for the install. > > Many other people (myself included) are seeing the exact same problem. > I had it on a machine with 64 M. Also, I highly doubt that we're all > having problems with our floppies, caches etc. What about cache interaction and the decompression algortihm on the disk? Are you using a processor that writes back or doesn't write back the cache as a result of changes in the instruction stream? Older processors do not write back. Newer processors do. This problem could easily be specific to newer processors and/or newer MMU chipsets (for example, on my "old" P90's and my Neptune chipset, I do *not* see this problem). We need more specific information about the hardware in the damage path, and not just all the specific information in the world (ie: 4000 lines of boot messages times 20 people is too much to wade through). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 15:05:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08661 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08448 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:04:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id AAA29796 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:04:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id XAA07721; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:45:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980215234514.36406@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:45:14 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <19980215132713.12891@keltia.freenix.fr> <199802152139.OAA03239@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.3i In-Reply-To: <199802152139.OAA03239@usr01.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 09:39:57PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4066 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Terry Lambert: > If an FS was mounted async, it could have been damaged beyond the > ability of fsck to repair it as the result of a crash. I do not In this case, the panic happen before any file system is mounted (except / but I do not mount / async). > spend time railing against async just because I like to hear myself > type. I do it because async is actually dangerous to FS integrity. I know that but have yet to lose one file since introduction of async mounts in FreeBSD. Even with /usr/src and the CVS repository async. > Ah. Compression. Disable your internal and external cache for the > time you are booting, and see if it fixes it. Also, do you have 48M? No, 64 MB. > Do you have a 3.0 installed? You should take the kernel from the Yes, I run CURRENT. I was just trying to recover from a stupid mistake (mount was compiled shared because when I "cvs co'ed" outside /usr/src, the NOSHARED option was not here) during my soft updates test. I just tumbled on the -- now -- known problem with the current bootdisks. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Feb 14 15:42:16 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 15:09:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09217 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:09:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09122 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:08:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id AAA00238 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:07:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id AAA07901; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980216000015.18652@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00:15 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD hackers list References: <199802151023.LAA03145@yedi.iaf.nl> <19980216083705.18143@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.3i In-Reply-To: <19980216083705.18143@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 08:37:05AM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4066 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Greg Lehey: > While people are recommending, what would you recommend for a 128 MB > RAM system? Almost all boards nowadays are TX, but they only cache 64 > MB. Either a HX-based board such as the T2P4 from ASUS or one based on the VIA-2 chipset (I don't think it has the limitation of TX/VX). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Feb 14 15:42:16 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 15:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11145 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11133 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 6071 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Feb 1998 23:20:35 +0000 (GMT) To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:08:49 +0000 (GMT)" References: <199802152208.PAA04157@usr01.primenet.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:20:35 +0100 Message-ID: <6069.887584835@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Many other people (myself included) are seeing the exact same problem. > > I had it on a machine with 64 M. Also, I highly doubt that we're all > > having problems with our floppies, caches etc. > > What about cache interaction and the decompression algortihm on > the disk? > > Are you using a processor that writes back or doesn't write back > the cache as a result of changes in the instruction stream? Older > processors do not write back. Newer processors do. This problem > could easily be specific to newer processors and/or newer MMU > chipsets (for example, on my "old" P90's and my Neptune chipset, > I do *not* see this problem). I'm using a PPro-200, 256k cache. The BIOS allows me to set normal (write back) cache, write through cache, and cache disabled. I have just now tried it in all three modes, with the same result: vm_page_free: pindex(12), busy(0), PG_BUSY(0), hold(0) > We need more specific information about the hardware in the damage > path, and not just all the specific information in the world (ie: > 4000 lines of boot messages times 20 people is too much to wade > through). Okay, below I have included the original report I sent. Note that the boot floppy from 3.0-980204-SNAP is okay, while 980206 is not. Also, this happens long after kernel decompression, after I have used the kernel configuration menu to remove various drivers, and after all the hardware has been recognized. The machine has one IBM 6.5 GB EIDE disk, and one IBM 2 GB SCSI disk on NCR 810 controller. The last "device" that is recognized before the panic is npx0. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: toor@dyson.iquest.net Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any feedback on my recent kernel 'fixes' From: sthaug@nethelp.no Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:48:07 +0100 Message-ID: <13588.886888087@verdi.nethelp.no> This may or may not be related to the the recent kernel changes, but I'll report them here anyways: boot.flp from 3.0-980206-SNAP (from releng22.freebsd.org) panics at the end of the boot process, with: changing root device to fd0c rootfs is 1440 KByte compiled in MFS vm_page_free: pindex(12), busy(0), PG_BUSY(0), hold(0) panic: vm_page_free: freeing free page boot.flp from 3.0-980204-SNAP works okay. It's very much reproducible - the panic occurs every time :-). The numbers in the parentheses are the same every time. I've tried it on a PPro-200 with 64 mByte memory, and an AMD 5x86-133 with 24 MByte memory. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 16:35:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24257 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24139 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03858; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:33:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160033.QAA03858@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:37:05 +1030." <19980216083705.18143@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:33:04 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 15 February 1998 at 11:23:58 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > -- Please reply in private email, no need to clutter -hackers > > > > I'm shopping for a new mainboard to replace my old Asus P55TP4XE. It's > > lacking a VRM so I can't really upgrade the CPU with something more current. > > > > Appreciate comments on Asus TXP4 and Asus TX97-E Other suggestions also > > welcome, but no ATX boards please. > > A number of TX based motherboards, including the IWill P55XB2 and an > unnamed Totem board, have problems with the serial ports. I can't get > FreeBSD to recognize them at all. I recall asking you to try overriding the probe failure to see if the ports actually worked OK. Have you had a chance to do this yet? > While people are recommending, what would you recommend for a 128 MB > RAM system? Almost all boards nowadays are TX, but they only cache 64 > MB. 430HX, 440FX, 440LX or VIA VP3. There are some really nice boards based on the latter out now, try www.fic.com.tw - distributed in Australia by Chips'n'Bits. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 17:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28205 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:03:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28191 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:03:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25661; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:33:05 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA17533; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:33:05 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980216113304.18975@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:33:04 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <19980216083705.18143@freebie.lemis.com> <199802160033.QAA03858@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802160033.QAA03858@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 04:33:04PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 February 1998 at 16:33:04 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> On Sun, 15 February 1998 at 11:23:58 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: >>> >>> I'm shopping for a new mainboard to replace my old Asus P55TP4XE. It's >>> lacking a VRM so I can't really upgrade the CPU with something more current. >>> >>> Appreciate comments on Asus TXP4 and Asus TX97-E Other suggestions also >>> welcome, but no ATX boards please. >> >> A number of TX based motherboards, including the IWill P55XB2 and an >> unnamed Totem board, have problems with the serial ports. I can't get >> FreeBSD to recognize them at all. > > I recall asking you to try overriding the probe failure to see if the > ports actually worked OK. Have you had a chance to do this yet? Yup. We seem to be having a communication problem on this subject. This time I can find the message I sent you: > On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 11:11:34PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> Hmm, can you try forcing a 'result = IO_COMSIZE;' after the failures[] >> loop and see whether the ports actually work? I think we may be seeing >> a pattern here, as whilst the interrupt is supposed to go away, your >> machine and now the Tecra 750 are failing that test. > > Hmmm. I see that other people have also worked in this area in the > month or two, apparently for a different (mobile) UART that wouldn't > probe. I hoped it might help, but no. I've put in delays at every > conceivable place, and also your suggestion. Here's the dmesg: > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: probe test 5 failed > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: probe test 8 failed > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x80 on isa > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: type 16550A > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: probe test 5 failed > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: probe test 8 failed > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x80 on isa > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: type 16550A > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 9 on isa > (etc) > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: npx0 on motherboard > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: sio0: 65 events for device with no tp > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: sio1: 65 events for device with no tp > > As you can imagine from the last two messages, the ports were dead as > dodos. > > I suppose I could take more of a look, but I don't really have the > time (I managed to blow freebie out of the water this afternoon, for a > change not because of overheating, which seems to be gone; I suspect > the ahc driver). I'm attaching the diffs; if you can think of > something else to do, let me know. Before you ask: yes, I replaced > the multi I/O board, and it runs fine with all these delays. Any ideas? I can spare a little time to try them if needed. >> While people are recommending, what would you recommend for a 128 MB >> RAM system? Almost all boards nowadays are TX, but they only cache 64 >> MB. > > 430HX, 440FX, 440LX or VIA VP3. There are some really nice boards > based on the latter out now, try www.fic.com.tw - distributed in > Australia by Chips'n'Bits. Thanks Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 17:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00340 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00334 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04039; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:20:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160120.RAA04039@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Mike Smith , Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:33:04 +1030." <19980216113304.18975@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:20:27 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> A number of TX based motherboards, including the IWill P55XB2 and an > >> unnamed Totem board, have problems with the serial ports. I can't get > >> FreeBSD to recognize them at all. > > > > I recall asking you to try overriding the probe failure to see if the > > ports actually worked OK. Have you had a chance to do this yet? > > Yup. We seem to be having a communication problem on this subject. Yes. Sorry, but I have bogloads on my plate just now. I *do* recall that we identified your I/O blob as an ASUS part. Any luck getting data from them? > This time I can find the message I sent you: Yay! > > On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 11:11:34PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: > >> Hmm, can you try forcing a 'result = IO_COMSIZE;' after the failures[] > >> loop and see whether the ports actually work? I think we may be seeing > >> a pattern here, as whilst the interrupt is supposed to go away, your > >> machine and now the Tecra 750 are failing that test. > > > > Hmmm. I see that other people have also worked in this area in the > > month or two, apparently for a different (mobile) UART that wouldn't > > probe. I hoped it might help, but no. I've put in delays at every > > conceivable place, and also your suggestion. Here's the dmesg: > > > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: probe test 5 failed > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: probe test 8 failed > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x80 on isa > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: type 16550A > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: probe test 5 failed > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: probe test 8 failed > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x80 on isa > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: type 16550A > > Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 9 on isa > > (etc) > > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: npx0 on motherboard > > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface > > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: sio0: 65 events for device with no tp > > Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: sio1: 65 events for device with no tp I bet I have this one saved somewhere. > > As you can imagine from the last two messages, the ports were dead as > > dodos. Actually, the last two messages *don't* imply that the ports were dead, rather that there is some nasty interrupt crap going on that is causing the FIFO depth probe data to be seriously delayed, such that it doesn't get recognised until after the system comes up. The 'events for device with no tp' means that the driver has received that many events, but the port is not open. I think there is a timing or configuration issue here. 8( > Any ideas? I can spare a little time to try them if needed. At the moment, I would perhaps try: - scan the BIOS configuration for anything relating to interrupts or the I/O ports; there was something somwhere I recall about some new interrupt feature, but I can't put my brainfinger on it. - elaborate on "dead as a dodo", and especially whether you removed the other I/O board (though you imply that you did). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 17:36:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02327 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02309 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21355; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:34:15 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:34:15 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Mike Smith cc: Greg Lehey , Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-Reply-To: <199802160033.QAA03858@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > While people are recommending, what would you recommend for a 128 MB > > RAM system? Almost all boards nowadays are TX, but they only cache 64 > > MB. > > 430HX, 440FX, 440LX or VIA VP3. There are some really nice boards > based on the latter out now, try www.fic.com.tw - distributed in > Australia by Chips'n'Bits. There is also the Giga-Byte GA-586 STX, with the SiS equivalent of TX chipset. It is not limited to 64 MB cacheability. The STX is ATX format, but there is an AT equivalent. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 18:48:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09599 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:48:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09579 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15540; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:48:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd015525; Sun Feb 15 19:48:36 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20273; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:48:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802160248.TAA20273@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: sthaug@nethelp.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 02:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <6069.887584835@verdi.nethelp.no> from "sthaug@nethelp.no" at Feb 16, 98 00:20:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > boot.flp from 3.0-980206-SNAP (from releng22.freebsd.org) panics at the > end of the boot process, with: > > changing root device to fd0c > rootfs is 1440 KByte compiled in MFS > vm_page_free: pindex(12), busy(0), PG_BUSY(0), hold(0) > panic: vm_page_free: freeing free page > > boot.flp from 3.0-980204-SNAP works okay. > > It's very much reproducible - the panic occurs every time :-). The numbers > in the parentheses are the same every time. I've tried it on a PPro-200 > with 64 mByte memory, and an AMD 5x86-133 with 24 MByte memory. OK. Disable the PSE. The problem seems (to me) to be that there is a requirement for more than 4M for the kernel, but with PSE enables, there is only a single 4M page. The MFS pushes the page boundry out, and then you fail when you try to page in from the unmapped region of the MFS. I would be surprised if these disks would boot on a 5M system without PSE capability. I think we are talking 6M now. The easiest test would be to build a distribution after defining DISABLE_PSE, and see if those boot. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 19:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10939 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10914 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04333; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:01:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160301.TAA04333@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 02:48:33 GMT." <199802160248.TAA20273@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:01:44 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > boot.flp from 3.0-980206-SNAP (from releng22.freebsd.org) panics at the > > end of the boot process, with: > > > > changing root device to fd0c > > rootfs is 1440 KByte compiled in MFS > > vm_page_free: pindex(12), busy(0), PG_BUSY(0), hold(0) > > panic: vm_page_free: freeing free page > > > > boot.flp from 3.0-980204-SNAP works okay. > > > > It's very much reproducible - the panic occurs every time :-). The numbers > > in the parentheses are the same every time. I've tried it on a PPro-200 > > with 64 mByte memory, and an AMD 5x86-133 with 24 MByte memory. > > OK. Disable the PSE. The problem seems (to me) to be that there is a > requirement for more than 4M for the kernel, but with PSE enables, there > is only a single 4M page. The MFS pushes the page boundry out, and > then you fail when you try to page in from the unmapped region of the > MFS. Uh, can you wait until I have at least had a chance to explain it to you, Terry? You can't "disable PSE" without a laser. You can try waiting for the next SNAP bootimage, where I have tried disabling support for the 4MB page, pending a better fix. > I would be surprised if these disks would boot on a 5M system without > PSE capability. I think we are talking 6M now. The entire BOOTMFS image is a bit under 3MB. 5MB is probably still workable, but the installation will be slower than if you have 8MB+ (buffer cache, less MFS paging, etc.) > The easiest test would be to build a distribution after defining DISABLE_PSE, > and see if those boot. Try the next SNAP from current.freebsd.org. I expect we'll hear about it one way or the other. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 19:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16720 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:46:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16696; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25805; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:26 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA25333; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:26 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980216141626.35327@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:26 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers , FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Is anybody documenting buf(9)? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There was some talk a while back of writing the man page buf(9), but I haven't seen anything come of it so far. I need to understand it better, so if nobody else is working on it, I'll do it. Please let me know if you're doing something so that I won't duplicate effort. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 20:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19950 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:12:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.31.78.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19898 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:11:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA29417; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:11:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Archie Cobbs cc: Philippe Regnauld , sthaug@nethelp.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP tunnels In-Reply-To: <199802152040.MAA25372@bubba.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm playing around with code to implement IP-ENCAP(4), IPIP(94), and ENCAP(98) in the kernel. Would it not be useful to define a driver framework that would allow easy extension to add GRE support and PPTP? I've been tossing a few ideas around but have not come up with something concrete. Doing this in userland with the tun device is fairly easy but a kernel level driver would be really slick. On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Archie Cobbs wrote: > What a coincidence. I'm starting to play with GRE a little bit. I > was simply going to open a raw IP socket with IPPROTO_GRE (47) and > filter out sub-protocols that I don't want (by examining the GRE > protocol field): > > s = socket(AF_INET, IPPROTO_RAW, 0); > read(s, (char *) &packet, sizeof(packet)); > if (packet.proto != 0x809b) > break; > /* process packet */ > > However, it might be useful to make GRE a supported kernel protocol. > There would not be much code involved, but it would be kindof handy. > So if you were tunneling AppleTalk, for example, you could say this: > > proto = 0x809b; /* Ethertype for AppleTalk */ > s = socket(AF_INET, IPPROTO_GRE, proto); > /* process packet */ > > You would still read and write complete GRE packets; the kernel would > simply be mulitplexing incoming packets to sockets based on the GRE > protocol number (in the above example, 0x0800). So different processes > that were tunnelling different things could operate independently. > > Optionally, the kernel could provide slightly more service, like > automatically filling in the checksum if the checksum bit is set, > verifying incoming packets' checksums, etc. > > The question is.. is this something worth doing? If so, I'll can try > to hack something up. > > -Archie > > References: RFC 1701, RFC 1702 /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 20:22:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21317 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:22:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from top.monad.net (root@top.monad.net [204.97.16.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21212 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:20:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vdk@chaosphere.com) Received: from logrus.chaosphere.com (logrus.top.monad.net [206.231.108.252]) by top.monad.net (8.8.8/What) with SMTP id XAA16964 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:20:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:21:58 -0500 (EST) From: Obi Wan Oblivion To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IIJPPP & The Root User Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy, Any reason why I shouldn't modify IIJPPP Version 1.2 (built on 9/23/97) to allow uids other than zero to dialout? I share my physical system with a few people who want access to the net, but I really don't want to dish out the root password to them. I'm looking to keep the security, but add some flexibility. For instance: < if(getuid() != 0) > if((getuid() != 0) || (getgid() != 68)) This way, you'd need to be either root, or a member of group dialer in order to use user process ppp in anything other than -direct. Any thoughts? Am I using a shotgun to kill a mouse, or am I unwittingly leaving a gaping security hole? Thanks! -Jeff "In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point." -- Friedrich Nietzsche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 20:29:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22415 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:29:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22383 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05660; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd005641; Sun Feb 15 21:29:04 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27002; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:29:00 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802160429.VAA27002@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:29:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802160301.TAA04333@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Feb 15, 98 07:01:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I would be surprised if these disks would boot on a 5M system without > > PSE capability. I think we are talking 6M now. > > The entire BOOTMFS image is a bit under 3MB. 5MB is probably still > workable, but the installation will be slower than if you have 8MB+ > (buffer cache, less MFS paging, etc.) Why does FreeBSD require 5M to boot, then? If the kernel loads at 1M, and takes 3M or less, then the 5M requirement should go away, right? I mean, 1 + 3 = 4... > > The easiest test would be to build a distribution after defining > > DISABLE_PSE, and see if those boot. > > Try the next SNAP from current.freebsd.org. I expect we'll hear about > it one way or the other. 8) Yup. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 20:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23625 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23559 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:37:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA10364; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:37:24 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA00181; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:37:22 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980216053722.35151@follo.net> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:37:22 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Obi Wan Oblivion , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IIJPPP & The Root User References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Obi Wan Oblivion on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 11:21:58PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 11:21:58PM -0500, Obi Wan Oblivion wrote: > Howdy, > > Any reason why I shouldn't modify IIJPPP Version 1.2 (built on 9/23/97) to > allow uids other than zero to dialout? > > I share my physical system with a few people who want access to the net, > but I really don't want to dish out the root password to them. I'm > looking to keep the security, but add some flexibility. For instance: > > < if(getuid() != 0) > > > if((getuid() != 0) || (getgid() != 68)) > > This way, you'd need to be either root, or a member of group dialer in > order to use user process ppp in anything other than -direct. > > Any thoughts? Am I using a shotgun to kill a mouse, or am I unwittingly > leaving a gaping security hole? You're giving the people in question access to change your routing tables. How much you care about that depend on how much you trust these peple. 'nuff said? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 20:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24453 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24446 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21783; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:42:05 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:42:05 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Obi Wan Oblivion cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IIJPPP & The Root User In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Obi Wan Oblivion wrote: > Any reason why I shouldn't modify IIJPPP Version 1.2 (built on 9/23/97) to > allow uids other than zero to dialout? Being able to dial out means being able to change the routing table; the entry of most concern is the default route. > < if(getuid() != 0) > > > if((getuid() != 0) || (getgid() != 68)) Getting the group's name and comparing it to dialer would be better. You may want to look at preventing altering the default root and only allowing addition of the host route if(getuid() != 0). Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 20:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25610 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.ptway.com (apollo.ptway.com [199.176.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25596 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haskin@ptway.com) Received: from brianjr (123R1.infinitecom.com [199.176.148.66] (may be forged)) by apollo.ptway.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA09260; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:49:36 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01bd3a95$d9259960$0b00000a@brianjr.haskin.org> From: "Brian Haskin" To: "Obi Wan Oblivion" , Subject: Re: IIJPPP & The Root User Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:46:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Obi Wan Oblivion To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, February 15, 1998 11:22 PM Subject: IIJPPP & The Root User >Howdy, > >Any reason why I shouldn't modify IIJPPP Version 1.2 (built on 9/23/97) to >allow uids other than zero to dialout? > >I share my physical system with a few people who want access to the net, >but I really don't want to dish out the root password to them. I'm >looking to keep the security, but add some flexibility. For instance: > > < if(getuid() != 0) > > > if((getuid() != 0) || (getgid() != 68)) > [snip] this should be something like this, if((getuid() !=0) && (getgid() != 68)) to get the desired effect. But why not just set it up in auto dial mode. (see the man page) Brian Haskin p.s. I don't know anything about the security implications of the change to the above source. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 20:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27088 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:53:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27079 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:52:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA16278; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:52:53 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:52:53 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: Brian Haskin Cc: Obi Wan Oblivion , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IIJPPP & The Root User In-Reply-To: <002a01bd3a95$d9259960$0b00000a@brianjr.haskin.org> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>Any reason why I shouldn't modify IIJPPP Version 1.2 (built on 9/23/97) to >>allow uids other than zero to dialout? Doesn't PPP now have some sort of "allow users [bleah]" mode? Inless I'm missing the point, this was in -current for a while and just recently merged into -stable. That's what I'm using. I run ppp -background as a non-root type all the time, using the above sort of thing. If that's a huge gateway to my system, I suppose I'd like to know about it... Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 21:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07077 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:54:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07070 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14139; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:54:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA21949; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:54:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:54:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199802160554.WAA21949@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: <199802152139.OAA03239@usr01.primenet.com> References: <19980215132713.12891@keltia.freenix.fr> <199802152139.OAA03239@usr01.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Are you mounting async? > > > > Yes but the panic happens at *boot* time when the kernel just finished to > > probe. No FS is mounted async at that moment. > > If an FS was mounted async, it could have been damaged beyond the > ability of fsck to repair it as the result of a crash. Terry, *READ* the question. It was on a 'BOOT FLOPPY'. That's one of those things that we (the project) make to install FreeBSD. No external file systems, no NFS, nothing funky. Just a *BOOT* floppy. If you *read* the report, you'd know this. If you don't know about the boot floppy, then don't answer the question w/out understanding the question. You're only confusing the issue with non-issues. Mike has already responded with the most logical answer, and unfortunately the 'fix' didn't fix the problem and/or the boot floppy hasn't been updated with the fix. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 21:57:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07747 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07685 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:57:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14162; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA21966; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:56:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:56:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199802160556.WAA21966@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: <199802152208.PAA04157@usr01.primenet.com> References: <4541.887579521@verdi.nethelp.no> <199802152208.PAA04157@usr01.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Ah. Compression. Disable your internal and external cache for the > > > time you are booting, and see if it fixes it. Also, do you have 48M? > > > If so, remove 16M for the install. > > > > Many other people (myself included) are seeing the exact same problem. > > I had it on a machine with 64 M. Also, I highly doubt that we're all > > having problems with our floppies, caches etc. > > What about cache interaction and the decompression algortihm on > the disk? How about gremlins? I hear the gremlins are getting thick this year. (That was sarcasm for the humor impaired.) Nate ps. It's a known bug, with an as yet unknown fix. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 22:01:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09111 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:01:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09066 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04833; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:59:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160559.VAA04833@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:29:00 GMT." <199802160429.VAA27002@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:59:22 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I would be surprised if these disks would boot on a 5M system without > > > PSE capability. I think we are talking 6M now. > > > > The entire BOOTMFS image is a bit under 3MB. 5MB is probably still > > workable, but the installation will be slower than if you have 8MB+ > > (buffer cache, less MFS paging, etc.) > > Why does FreeBSD require 5M to boot, then? If the kernel loads at 1M, > and takes 3M or less, then the 5M requirement should go away, right? > I mean, 1 + 3 = 4... It doesn't. You can boot FreeBSD on a machine with 2M. You need 5M to avoid having the *installation* disk puke when it runs out of memory. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 22:10:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10590 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10484 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:09:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00633; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:08:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199802160608.BAA00633@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: <199802160559.VAA04833@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Feb 15, 98 09:59:22 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:08:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith said: > > > > I would be surprised if these disks would boot on a 5M system without > > > > PSE capability. I think we are talking 6M now. > > > > > > The entire BOOTMFS image is a bit under 3MB. 5MB is probably still > > > workable, but the installation will be slower than if you have 8MB+ > > > (buffer cache, less MFS paging, etc.) > > > > Why does FreeBSD require 5M to boot, then? If the kernel loads at 1M, > > and takes 3M or less, then the 5M requirement should go away, right? > > I mean, 1 + 3 = 4... > > It doesn't. You can boot FreeBSD on a machine with 2M. > > You need 5M to avoid having the *installation* disk puke when it runs > out of memory. > For JKH, and others building boot floppies -- use DISABLE_PSE to make the problem go away (I think.) It should be the default in the config file until I can fix it. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 22:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11081 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:11:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11058 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:11:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25937; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:40:39 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA29755; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:40:37 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980216164034.56790@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:40:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <19980216113304.18975@freebie.lemis.com> <199802160120.RAA04039@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802160120.RAA04039@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 05:20:27PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 February 1998 at 17:20:27 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>>> A number of TX based motherboards, including the IWill P55XB2 and an >>>> unnamed Totem board, have problems with the serial ports. I can't get >>>> FreeBSD to recognize them at all. >>> >>> I recall asking you to try overriding the probe failure to see if the >>> ports actually worked OK. Have you had a chance to do this yet? >> >> Yup. We seem to be having a communication problem on this subject. > > Yes. Sorry, but I have bogloads on my plate just now. > > I *do* recall that we identified your I/O blob as an ASUS part. Any > luck getting data from them? No, I didn't follow it up. It was in the same message--do you need it again? >>> On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 11:11:34PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >>>> Hmm, can you try forcing a 'result = IO_COMSIZE;' after the failures[] >>>> loop and see whether the ports actually work? I think we may be seeing >>>> a pattern here, as whilst the interrupt is supposed to go away, your >>>> machine and now the Tecra 750 are failing that test. >>> >>> Hmmm. I see that other people have also worked in this area in the >>> month or two, apparently for a different (mobile) UART that wouldn't >>> probe. I hoped it might help, but no. I've put in delays at every >>> conceivable place, and also your suggestion. Here's the dmesg: >>> >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: probe test 5 failed >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: probe test 8 failed >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x80 on isa >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio0: type 16550A >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: probe test 5 failed >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: probe test 8 failed >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x80 on isa >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio1: type 16550A >>> Feb 3 16:05:05 freebie /kernel: sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 9 on isa >>> (etc) >>> Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: npx0 on motherboard >>> Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface >>> Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: sio0: 65 events for device with no tp >>> Feb 3 16:05:06 freebie /kernel: sio1: 65 events for device with no tp > > I bet I have this one saved somewhere. Check it out. I can bounce the whole message otherwise. >>> As you can imagine from the last two messages, the ports were dead as >>> dodos. > > Actually, the last two messages *don't* imply that the ports were dead, > rather that there is some nasty interrupt crap going on that is causing > the FIFO depth probe data to be seriously delayed, such that it doesn't > get recognised until after the system comes up. That many delays would suggest to me that there's something seriously wrong. I could imagine they would be dead :-) > The 'events for device with no tp' means that the driver has received > that many events, but the port is not open. > > I think there is a timing or configuration issue here. 8( Sure. I can't think of much else. >> Any ideas? I can spare a little time to try them if needed. > > At the moment, I would perhaps try: > > - scan the BIOS configuration for anything relating to interrupts or > the I/O ports; there was something somwhere I recall about some > new interrupt feature, but I can't put my brainfinger on it. I went through the entire BIOS setup looking for that sort of thing, but I didn't fine anything. > - elaborate on "dead as a dodo", and especially whether you removed > the other I/O board (though you imply that you did). Yes, of course I took out the (not other) I/O board for the tests. Basically, the ports just didn't react at all at a system level. I didn't go and poke at the registers. I wonder if we're looking in the wrong place here. Maybe this is an interrupt controller problem. On the other hand, I've had no trouble at all with the parallel port, which runs just fine with interrupts. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 22:18:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12582 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12558 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:18:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04911; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:14:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160614.WAA04911@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "John S. Dyson" cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), tlambert@primenet.com, sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:08:51 EST." <199802160608.BAA00633@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:14:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith said: > For JKH, and others building boot floppies -- use DISABLE_PSE to make > the problem go away (I think.) It should be the default in the config > file until I can fix it. For general reference; DISABLE_PSE is in GENERIC in -current at the moment, so if you are building a -current snapshot, as long as your CVS repository is up to date you'll be fine. (GENERIC is used to generate the BOOTMFS kernel used for the installation disk). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 15 23:26:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20063 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20019 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA25028; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:24:52 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199802160724.HAA25028@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Obi Wan Oblivion cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IIJPPP & The Root User In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:21:58 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:24:51 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Howdy, > > Any reason why I shouldn't modify IIJPPP Version 1.2 (built on 9/23/97) to > allow uids other than zero to dialout? > > I share my physical system with a few people who want access to the net, > but I really don't want to dish out the root password to them. I'm > looking to keep the security, but add some flexibility. For instance: > > < if(getuid() != 0) > > > if((getuid() != 0) || (getgid() != 68)) > > This way, you'd need to be either root, or a member of group dialer in > order to use user process ppp in anything other than -direct. > > Any thoughts? Am I using a shotgun to kill a mouse, or am I unwittingly > leaving a gaping security hole? The newer version of ppp on http://www.FreeBSD.org/~brian is the same as the one in -current and -stable. You can "allow users x y z" in ppp.conf. Your best bet is to download that. > Thanks! > > -Jeff > > "In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with > reality at any point." > -- Friedrich Nietzsche > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 03:08:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24276 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:08:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isis.uniandes.edu.co (root@Isis.uniandes.edu.co [157.253.50.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24239; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from y-carden@uniandes.edu.co) Received: from isis.uniandes.edu.co (y-carden@Isis.uniandes.edu.co [157.253.50.5]) by isis.uniandes.edu.co (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA02437; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:58:27 +0500 (GMT) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:58:27 +0500 (GMT) From: Yonny Cardenas Baron To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Philosophers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I need a program in c, whith the solution the Dijkstra's problem philosophers eating, using semaphores in UNIX, (FreeBSD). I can find it ? Thanks for your help. Yonny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 03:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25542 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25500 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA05728; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:11:23 -0800 (PST) To: Yonny Cardenas Baron Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Philosophers In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:58:27 +0500." Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: <5724.887627483@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is not a question for freebsd-hackers; please, don't do this. We get enough noise on this list as it is, and students asking for general help with their classes is not what we're here to discuss. Thank you. Jordan > > Hi, > > I need a program in c, whith the solution the Dijkstra's problem > philosophers eating, using > semaphores in UNIX, (FreeBSD). > > I can find it ? > > Thanks for your help. > > Yonny > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 04:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11922 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:26:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11917 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:26:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06224 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:26:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802161226.EAA06224@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:26:24 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG G'day mail reading fiends. I find myself in an interesting position, and would like to discuss possible techniques for dealing with it. The situation is such that I wish to manage the bulk of my mail from a single login on a single system, mostly for portability (being a laptop) and centralisation. However, I have a number of different contact addresses, and want to retain the individuality of these, ie. mail to one should be answered as thought it had come from that one, rather than having everything effectively forwarded to a single mailbox. To aid in this process, I obviously need tools that understand the situation. I'd prefer not to go for the multiple-login approach, as that makes it difficult to simultaneously watch multiple mailboxes as well as requiring multiple copies of the reader. Any suggestions? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 04:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14409 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [193.117.77.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14380 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20019; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:31:13 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA10963; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <19980216123600.07912@iii.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:36:00 +0000 To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? References: <199802161226.EAA06224@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199802161226.EAA06224@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 04:26:24AM -0800 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 04:26:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > The situation is such that I wish to manage the bulk of my mail from a > single login on a single system, mostly for portability (being a > laptop) and centralisation. > > However, I have a number of different contact addresses, and want to > retain the individuality of these, ie. mail to one should be answered > as thought it had come from that one, rather than having everything > effectively forwarded to a single mailbox. I'd use (in fact, I use something close to) the following: 1. Route mail to all your addresses to one account using sendmail aliases (or similar). 2. Run procmail to split the messages out in to seperate mailbox files (folders) depending on the address the message was originally to. 3. Run xbuffy to keep an eye on incoming messages to each folder. 4. Run mutt as your mail client. Mutt's configuration allows you to define 'folder-hooks', commands that are run whenever mutt loads a particular mail folder. Configure each folder-hook to alter your 'From' address based on the folder. You could also do other things, like select a specific signature, and so on. 5. Either: 1. Run a single copy of mutt, and use the 'change folder' command to select between different folders. 2. Put entries on your X window manager (or similar) to run mutt with the -f parameter to select a specific mail folder. N -- --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- . . . and relax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 04:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14692 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:37:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14633 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12827; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:24:19 +0100 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA00663; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:42:26 +0100 (CET) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id NAA03756; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:35:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19980216133533.42366@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:35:33 +0100 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? References: <199802161226.EAA06224@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199802161226.EAA06224@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 04:26:24AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: > > However, I have a number of different contact addresses, and want to > retain the individuality of these, ie. mail to one should be answered > as thought it had come from that one, rather than having everything > effectively forwarded to a single mailbox. Questions: 1) are the addresses forwarded to you or do you Cw/Fw them to your host ? 2) should the whole envelope be redone, or just the "From: " ? Apart from that, a rewriting rule in sendmail might do the trick. At MUA level, maybe you could do this with Mutt and the hooks. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle, ("MYTHOLOGY", in Marutukku distrib) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 04:38:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15113 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:38:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15042 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06311; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:37:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802161237.EAA06311@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Brian McGovern cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mapping phyical memory in to the PCI address range... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:28:39 EST." <199802130428.XAA10774@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:37:24 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the delay in following up here. > >> The question at hand was whether it was 'faster' to have the board transfer > >> the data to the HOST's memory, so that a bcopy or b_to_q() call would > >> be moving data from HOST memory to HOST memory, or is the gain insufficient, > >> and its more prudent to have the HOST CPU move the data from the board > >> itself. > > > >It will definitely be faster to have the board push to host memory. > > > Any idea on roughly "how much faster"? I realize this is dependant on a lot of > things, but I'd hate to spend the time doing it if its going to have a minimal > impact. It depends entirely on lots of things. 8) Without actually watching timing diagrams of the device on the bus, and considering how much of the driver's time is actually spent servicing I/O requests, it's impossible to give any sort of real estimate. > Which brings me back to my initial issue. Whats the best way to allocate > RAM in the kernel (I'm assuming a malloc call), and then lock the memory down, > and determine the PCI address, so I can give it to the card to use? If you can do it at boot time, use contigmalloc() and then kvtop() to get the base address of the region. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 05:55:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29736 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:55:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29729; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAB29295; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:55:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd029268; Mon Feb 16 06:55:34 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA08438; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:55:31 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802161355.GAA08438@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Philosophers To: y-carden@uniandes.edu.co (Yonny Cardenas Baron) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:55:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Yonny Cardenas Baron" at Feb 16, 98 05:58:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I need a program in c, whith the solution the Dijkstra's problem > philosophers eating, using > semaphores in UNIX, (FreeBSD). > > I can find it ? > > Thanks for your help. This is probably a classroom assignment on deadlock avoidance, but I'll help you anyway. Here is Dijkstra's own soloution: http://www.cstp.umkc.edu/~hines/431/deadlock_avoid.html http://www.ececs.uc.edu/~imutaban/miniproject/Bankers/index.html Here is a more general reference: http://www.sct.edu/cs/classes/cs503/ops5.htm And here is how you should do it, according to best known practice: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~qstout/abs/BR93ccc.html http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~qstout/abs/SPAA93ultra.html Note: Dijkstra's algorithm is a "priority-first search soloution" for a sparse graph. Best known practice is more concurrent than Dijkstra's banker's algorithm, but requires an undestanding of graph theory in general and Hamiltonian cycles, in particular. Note also that Dijkstra's algorithm is rather antiquated. It was first published in the literature in 1957. The current BSD lockmgr code uses Prim's algorithm for determining a minimum spanning tree in a flattened linear conflict space. This algorithm is also in excess of 40 years old. And you thought that computer science was an art, not a scinece... 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 06:01:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01432 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01412 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20413; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:00:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd020376; Mon Feb 16 07:00:49 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08585; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:00:43 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802161400.HAA08585@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:00:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802160556.WAA21966@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 15, 98 10:56:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How about gremlins? I hear the gremlins are getting thick this year. > > (That was sarcasm for the humor impaired.) It was sarcasm for those of who aren't humor impaired, too... ;-). > ps. It's a known bug, with an as yet unknown fix. Rebuild the distribution floppies with DISABLE_PSE in the config file; there's a known fix, Nate just isn't using it. (that was sarcasm for the humor impaired). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 06:33:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08432 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:33:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08427 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:33:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA17015; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:49 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-Reply-To: <199802161226.EAA06224@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > The situation is such that I wish to manage the bulk of my mail from a > single login on a single system, mostly for portability (being a > laptop) and centralisation. > > However, I have a number of different contact addresses, and want to > retain the individuality of these, ie. mail to one should be answered > as thought it had come from that one, rather than having everything > effectively forwarded to a single mailbox. > > To aid in this process, I obviously need tools that understand the > situation. I'd prefer not to go for the multiple-login approach, as > that makes it difficult to simultaneously watch multiple mailboxes as > well as requiring multiple copies of the reader. I have this problem -- the solution I ended up using was based on multiple-mailbox delivery through email address using the CMU Cyrus server. By setting ACLs appropriately on your mailboxes, you can allow incoming email to be delivered directly to the mailbox. Then by forwarding appropriately, it ends up in the right place. For example, I still have an account on my old High School's BSD/OS mail server, as I help them out with UNIX problems. The address there is rwatson@mail.net.sidwell.edu. My .forward file on that machine delivers to robert+sfs.inbox@cyrus.watson.org. At Carnegie Mellon, rnw@andrew.cmu.edu forwards to robert+cmu.inbox@cyrus.watson.org. I also subscribe various mailing lists to different mailboxes: FreeBSD Hackers is subscribed to robert+freebsd.hackers@cyrus.watson.org, etc. With multiple mailing list subscriptions, this can be a real boon! Also, if there is cross-posting to multiple mailing lists, this delivers once copy to each mailbox rather than all to one, as programs like procmail can do. This way my back-archives of the mailing lists are pretty complete (Although I do tend to delete the subscribe requests :). I also have ACLs set so that other users on my IMAP server can read (but not modify) my mailing list archives. If they actually have an identity in my Kerberos realm, it retains read/answered state for each of them -- if they don't (I.e., come in using anonymous imap), it doesn't. Then all you need is a good Imap client. :) Which is actually the problem, in my view. I use Pine with multiple incoming folders -- I hit Tab, and it jumps to the next new message in this folder, or if there are none, scans ahead to the next incoming folder that has a new message. This is alright, but I'd rather have a more centralized view of the folders with a list of new and not new. I used Netscape's IMAP interface for a bit, but it was not for me :). The advantage to IMAP, of course, is that you can use these at the same time :). Cyrus locks at the message level, not folder level as the UWash IMAP server does. In fact, I believe UWash now runs Cyrus? Cyrus is currently a (broken) FreeBSD port due to TCL dependencies. I am told by the current maintainer of the server (tjs+@andrew.cmu.edu) that simply adding a flag to tell it where TCL is will fix things. TCL is needed only for an administrative interface, not for actual use of the server. On the other hand, most mail clients don't support IMAP ACLs just yet, so you do need the interface. :) A URL for further information is http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu. I have heard very impressive tales of 30,000 users having mail on a single Cyrus server machine, as the Cyrus server does not allow direct access to the mailfiles. It instead proposes a closed-machine as the mailstore. This leads to far better performance, as the file structure is optimized for mail use, not using a single file per user. Last I checked, each folder was a directory, each message had a file, and that there was also indexing information in a seperate file per folder (and subscription information, etc). Pine flies when it doesn't have to mmap the whole mailbox and then index it while you wait :). On the other hand, a smaller scale solution is to have procmail look forward keywords in your subscriptions, the To: field, etc, and auto-sort. I have not tried this, however. Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 06:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09433 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09369 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00422; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd000390; Mon Feb 16 07:01:54 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08629; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:01:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802161401.HAA08629@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802160559.VAA04833@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Feb 15, 98 09:59:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Why does FreeBSD require 5M to boot, then? If the kernel loads at 1M, > > and takes 3M or less, then the 5M requirement should go away, right? > > I mean, 1 + 3 = 4... > > It doesn't. You can boot FreeBSD on a machine with 2M. > > You need 5M to avoid having the *installation* disk puke when it runs > out of memory. Now Lucy, 'splain me this: How can I map 5M with only one 4M page? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 07:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18010 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17962 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21478; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:11:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: hackers list FreeBSD cc: Peter Braam Subject: Re: Coda FS: FBSD port done!, but development favors Linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Folks, It would seem that my language used in starting this thread carried some un-intended connotations. I was _attempting_ to say: Coda is cool, but development _such_as_it_is_occurring_right_now_ is focusing on a particular OS (that just happens to be Linux)... Let's make sure that that FreeBSD remains a viable Coda platform (since FreeBSD is what we use) I can see, however, that my comments could have been construed as if intended to urge reaction against some supposed "Linux-camp" advancement in a Linux/FreeBSD war. Nope... nothing so diabolical. I simply would like to implement Coda using FreeBSD clients and servers (since that is what I personally prefer), and therefore wanted to start some discussion about what I saw as potential roadblocks to that happening. I am, as well, very encouraged to see the level of interest in Coda shown hereabouts. Sorry about any confusion... C. Owens Peter Braam said: > A) Re: Coda FS: FBSD port done!, but development favors Linux > - ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is NOT AT ALL TRUE. I can see how what I said evolved into this > statement, here is what I really said (or believe I said): > > a) the FreeBSD port (2.2.5) is _almost_ done. We have a working client, > the servers are playing up a bit. > > b) we DO NOT FAVOUR LINUX. It is true that our servers start up 3 times > faster on Linux than on NetBSD 1.2. It is also true that a fairly large > group of students from Yale is helping to implement Linux specific Coda > optimizations (which FreeBSD may already have). It is also true that > some > NetBSD people have been sending me very unfriendly messages about Linux. > Finally it is true that a lot of high quality FreeBSD/NetBSD messages > have been sent to the Coda lists -- that's great. > Please join the linux-coda lists (see www.coda.cs.cmu.edu). Don't > engage > in OS wars, or irrelevant criticism of other free or commercial > operating > systems -- if it happens I'll start moderating the list. We are just > interested in Coda. The list will probably be renamed reflect its > NON-linux status. --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 07:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18600 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:16:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18523 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:16:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA00554; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:15:42 -0800 (PST) To: Robert Watson cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:49 EST." Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:15:41 -0800 Message-ID: <550.887642141@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Cyrus is currently a (broken) FreeBSD port due to TCL dependencies. I am Not anymore - I unbroke it using a user-supplied patch just a few days ago. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 08:37:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08502 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from astral.elitenet.com.br (astral.elitenet.com.br [200.223.49.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08473 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:37:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fredy@elitenet.com.br) Received: from Info01 (dial-012.elitenet.com.br [200.223.49.44]) by astral.elitenet.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11963 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:40:47 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from fredy@elitenet.com.br) Message-ID: <34E8BD8C.64D4@elitenet.com.br> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:28:28 -0800 From: fredy Reply-To: fredy@elitenet.com.br X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Is it possible? What do I need? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was think to put 1 computer running FreeBSD(complete config.) and more 5 stations, wich does not have Hard disk neither floppy disk, only 8 mb ram and 1 network board with boot remote, so I want using boot remote the computer load the kernel on the main computer and after using Telnet or anything like access the main computer. Is it possible? How to do it? Thanks !!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 09:59:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28783 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from walter.doc.ic.ac.uk (tJ09xQUJY+/gP73faF4rt/rzZbgB63ll@walter.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28719 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:59:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31] ([3K4NicOD/pGk1F9LDeoDUeXWRuLnQDIQ]) by walter.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y4Uox-0001ya-00; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:59:11 +0000 Received: from oak71.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.71] ([tn1+MKPwhMkd10psFfhIJ2FOFNoSmTfK]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y4Urj-0001gm-00; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:02:04 +0000 Received: from njs3 by oak71.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y4Uop-0006eG-00; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:59:03 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:59:03 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new rule for sys.mk? Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For completeness sake that should actually be: .cc .cxx .C: ${CXX} ${CXXFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} ${.IMPSRC} ${LDLIBS} -o ${.TARGET} niall. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 09:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28832 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from walter.doc.ic.ac.uk (tJ09xQUJY+/gP73faF4rt/rzZbgB63ll@walter.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28758 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:59:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31] ([3uZYKfYSJBORAQgIfQ7iK5WZArwiTqwq]) by walter.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y4UXe-0001uz-00; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:41:18 +0000 Received: from oak71.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.71] ([69e2RViV712QX+eawKRdCJ/dzvMZ6vfm]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y4UaT-0001Qo-00; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:44:13 +0000 Received: from njs3 by oak71.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0y4UXY-0006Yz-00; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:41:12 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:41:12 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: new rule for sys.mk? Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Can we have a new rule for sys.mk? .cc: ${CXX} ${CXXFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} ${.IMPSRC} ${LDLIBS} -o ${.TARGET} Regards, Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 10:06:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01244 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01167 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15103; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:07:28 GMT Message-ID: <00ad01bd3b04$d6faa3a0$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: , Subject: Re: Is it possible? What do I need? Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:00:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i know how (theory)*and* and i don't know how (reality) :) you should look at the tools to make a boot floppy, basically what you want to do is set up boot floppy that loads the kernel and then uses tftp (trivial ftp) to download and run the needed config files from a centralized server, with a little hacking i'm sure it is possible to set up each PC to download it's own config/root files. you must then set up swapping over NFS and mount the rest of the dirs over NFS. you will need to burn this boot floppy to a rom chip and put it on the network cards. and if you don't want to to tear your hair out, i would suggest a 100mbs setup so swapping over NFS doesn't make you scream.... If anyone on the list thinks this is out of order or just plain wrong, please speak up, but i seem to rember people doing it this way from earlier posts on the list. -Alfred -----Original Message----- From: fredy To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 7:49 AM Subject: Is it possible? What do I need? >I was think to put 1 computer running FreeBSD(complete config.) and more >5 stations, wich does not have Hard disk neither floppy disk, only 8 mb >ram and 1 network board with boot remote, so I want using boot remote >the computer load the kernel on the main computer and after using Telnet >or anything like access the main computer. Is it possible? >How to do it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 10:19:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05274 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:19:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05201 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:19:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA20238; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:18:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-Reply-To: <550.887642141@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Cyrus is currently a (broken) FreeBSD port due to TCL dependencies. I am > > Not anymore - I unbroke it using a user-supplied patch just a few days > ago. Tim Showalter , the current developer work on that project, has asked that we submit patches back to him so that the default Cyrus distribution compiles/etc cleanly and happily to the correct locations under FreeBSD. If whoever is currently the port maintainer could email him information on the patches + patches themselves, I would greatly appreciate it. The patches should, where possible, include support for our various Kerberos arrangements, as many users of Cyrus are also Kerberos consumers. :) I have built Cyrus under -stable, but not yet under -current. Unfortunately, Cyrus was not a port at the time where I did so :). Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 10:19:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05382 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:19:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shaman.lycaeum.org (shaman.lycaeum.org [207.66.171.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05251; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:19:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org) Received: from localhost (edmond@localhost) by shaman.lycaeum.org (Partyon/dude!) with SMTP id LAA02018; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:22:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:22:46 -0700 (MST) From: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" To: Kenneth Merry cc: gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Adaptec 7895 (again)... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was so happy to see the four shiny new Dual Pentium II 333mhz DX440LX machines at my door, immediately unpacked and put in the latest 3.0 boot floppy, to find out that the screaming new onboard Adaptec 7895 chipset is not supported on FreeBSD but for the new Gibbs CAM architecture... (which looks awesome BTW) I'm writing to follow up on some mailing list archive hints that mentioned that there might be a highly desireable 3.0-current bootdisk with the CAM bits on board... is there any truth to this? If such a boot disk exists, where can one find it? Andy Edmond ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: \-/ :::::::: Andrew N. Edmond - finger for PGP key :::::::::: \-/ /-\ :::::: ............ :::::: /-\ \-/ ::: edmond@lycaeum.org :::::: an1@anon.nymserver.com ::: \-/ /-\ : Director of the Lycaeum :: the Nymserver Administrator : /-\ \-/ ::: www.lycaeum.org :::::: www.nymserver.com ::: \-/ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 10:48:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18874 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:48:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18789 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA20449; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:32:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Charles Owens cc: hackers list FreeBSD , Peter Braam Subject: Re: Coda FS: FBSD port done!, but development favors Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Charles Owens wrote: > It would seem that my language used in starting this thread carried some > un-intended connotations. I was _attempting_ to say: > > Coda is cool, but development _such_as_it_is_occurring_right_now_ > is focusing on a particular OS (that just happens to be Linux)... > Let's make sure that that FreeBSD remains a viable Coda platform > (since FreeBSD is what we use) While a lot of public discussion and development is happening under Linux, the impending availability of Coda under various BSDs should even things out a bit. I have every intention of continuing my development on Coda on FreeBSD, and there is strong support for FreeBSD as a platform in the Coda group. I personally, as I have mentioned, do my authentication-related development under FreeBSD. One cutting-edge area of Coda right now is the PAG implementation under Linux -- this will help determine the future directions of local management of Coda tokens and authentication. I think it would be highly appropriate that we have matching developments in FreeBSD, although possibly with more eye towards other possible uses (such as IPsec, SSH, AFS, other token/key systems). > I can see, however, that my comments could have been construed as if > intended to urge reaction against some supposed "Linux-camp" advancement > in a Linux/FreeBSD war. I think that some of the response was concern over the possibility of platform-related disagreements as the merging of the Coda sub-communities occurs. Peter's choice of words in inviting others to join the existing Coda development lists was a warning of a possibility to avoid rather than that this had already occurred. Specific avenues we hope to avoid, I think, are "We would never do something like that in FreeBSD". > Nope... nothing so diabolical. I simply would like to implement Coda > using FreeBSD clients and servers (since that is what I personally > prefer), and therefore wanted to start some discussion about what I saw as > potential roadblocks to that happening. I am, as well, very encouraged to > see the level of interest in Coda shown hereabouts. I have similar hopes! Coda is not yet ready, we feel, for a production environment, but we hope to move it in that direction as rapidly as possible. On the other hand, it is important that design decisions be made correctly now while there is no solid userbase, and while we are not yet committed to a particular protocol arrangement. For example, I am changing the behavior of the RPC2 Bind in one of the upcoming releases in such a way that old clients and servers will no longer interoperate with new ones -- however, it will no longer be subject to a particular class of replay attacks, and will support Kerberos authentication (among other things). Now is the time to make important design decisions -- I think that the FreeBSD community has a lot to add to the process. The level of enthusiasm thus-far seen is very encouraging. Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:02:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22967 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:02:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22893; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:02:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA02435; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) To: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" cc: Kenneth Merry , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Adaptec 7895 (again)... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:22:46 MST." Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:33:44 -0800 Message-ID: <2431.887654024@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Yow! Insane number of cross posts! Bad monkey, no taco for you! :-) Trimmed to just one mailing list.. ] > I'm writing to follow up on some mailing list archive hints that mentioned > that there might be a highly desireable 3.0-current bootdisk with the CAM > bits on board... is there any truth to this? If such a boot disk exists, > where can one find it? Well, I keep wanting to create one and Justin keeps telling me "next week", so I'm not sure if that's going to exist anytime soon. Justin? :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24330 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:08:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ROEARN (roearn.ici.ro [192.162.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23695 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:04:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dano@roearn.ici.ro) Received: by roearn.ici.ro (MX V4.2 VAX) id 56; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:49:53 +0200 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:49:52 +0200 From: DAN ONTANU To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <009C1EA4.E4906340.56@roearn.ici.ro> Subject: IOMEGA's zip driver. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does FreeBSD already have a driver for the IOMEGA's Zip drive? Thank you, Dan ONTANU Research Institute for Informatics, Bucharest, ROMANIA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:12:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25449 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:12:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25272; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04386; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd004383; Mon Feb 16 11:09:34 1998 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:05:42 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Peter Braam cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , Eivind Eklund , hackers list FreeBSD , Damon Permezel , rvb@cs.cmu.edu, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG, robert@watson.org, henry@cs.cmu.edu, linux-coda@TELEMANN.coda.cs.cmu.edu, tytso@mit.edu Subject: Re: Coda [ was: RE: Coda FS: FBSD port done!, but development favors ], Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > B) Inode calls. > --------------- It should be a relatively simple thing to add a VFS layer'ed IFS that sites on top of a standard FS to give direct inode access. Also one Adrian Chadd recently implemented direct inode access mode for UFS. > > For scalability these calls are desirable. In fact we probably only need > iopen, istat, idelete and I'll try to remove iinc and idec (used for copy > on write vnodes). These inode calls are only used by the cache manager and > the servers and don't compromise security of the system, since they should > be restricted to root. > > Ted Ts'o indeed said that Linus is probably against plain "iopen" -- and > rightly so. Using the special names like 'I'N'O'D'E we can let it work > right with the VFS and dentry's etc while retaining most of the benefits > of speed. For Coda this will just become an optionally supported > partition type. I believe this is the way Adrian did it but with a slightly less likely string. > > It should indeed be a mount option, or better perhaps something set with a > utility in the superblock, so that fsck knows about it too. (see the > messages of myself and Ted on linux-coda). > > C) Ext2 vs FFS vs Coda > ---------------------- > > Coda needs much larger vnodes to deal with replication servers (among > others). We also run in user space -- mostly and use proper RVM > transactions to guarantee (on all platforms) very high consistency on > metadata. Effectively we are a transactional, log based system on servers. > We use file storage only for file data not for metadata. > > On clients we also have transactions, but we don't flush them right away. > > We hope to implement write back caching where large groups of transactions > can reach the server and improve performance by eliminating many > transaction related fsyncs. > > It is unwise to speculate about the consistency guarantees which ext2fs > might offer to Coda versus ffs -- without considering RVM. The Coda meta > data will be treated identically through RVM, on all platforms. The file > data might be slightly more at risk in ext2fs (although I believe that ffs > and extfs mostly differ in the handling of metadata). With the addoption of the Ganger/Patt Dependeancey tracking code in the FreeBSD FFS (implemented by Kirk mcKusick), you will find the behaviour of the FFS extremely different to what you are used to. possibly the implementation of a central file-locking mechaninsm (for use by nfs, ufs, samba and netatalk) might also be of interest to you. > > I hope this clarifies some of the recent discussions. > > Thank you very much for all your enthusiasm -- that makes us very happy of > course. > > - Peter Braam - > Senior Systems Scientist > Coda Project, SCS, CMU > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:21:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28742 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:21:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28477 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16215 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:22:44 GMT Message-ID: <00e201bd3b0f$5b08e620$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: Subject: supported SCSI cards? Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well after Jordan laughed at me on IRC about my SCSI+SB16 i decided i should get a real scsi card, amazingly the prices on adaptec 2940UW's are REALLY low, (well for scsi) however some people were telling me to go with NCR as i could save myself about 50$ (adaptec is 150+shipping/tax, while NCR is about 100$) Well i was looking in the LINT kernel and there is no mention of specific chipsets or anything, can anyone recommend a NCR card that works well with FreeBSD and is on par with the adaptec 2940UW? (pci of course) thank you, -Alfred btw, i LOVE 3.0, just did the upgrade last night, it's great i woulda never known it would go so smoothly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:22:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29065 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28621 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16119; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:17:16 GMT Message-ID: <00d801bd3b0e$975bd200$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "DAN ONTANU" , Subject: Re: IOMEGA's zip driver. Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:10:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG that depends, if you have an IDE or SCSI zip it is supported via the ATAPI or scsi anyway, if you are talking paralell port, yes, but you will have to look for the driver on the web. -Alfred >Does FreeBSD already have a driver for the IOMEGA's Zip drive? > >Thank you, > >Dan ONTANU > >Research Institute for Informatics, >Bucharest, ROMANIA > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02205 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01971 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:30:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA00734; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000721; Mon Feb 16 11:25:29 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA01915; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199802161925.LAA01915@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: IP tunnels In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at "Feb 15, 98 11:11:10 pm" To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:25:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew N. Dodd writes: > I'm playing around with code to implement IP-ENCAP(4), IPIP(94), and > ENCAP(98) in the kernel. Would it not be useful to define a driver > framework that would allow easy extension to add GRE support and PPTP? > > I've been tossing a few ideas around but have not come up with something > concrete. Hmm... what did you have in mind? These protocols are all pretty simple, so there's not a lot of work to do no matter how you slice it. Also, I think proto #4 is already being used for MBONE tunnels, so that code already exists (in some form). -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:36:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03568 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03467 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:36:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01760; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:30:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Message-Id: <199802161930.OAA01760@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Alfred Perlstein" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: supported SCSI cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:16 EST." <00e201bd3b0f$5b08e620$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:30:07 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu said: :- can anyone recommend a NCR card that works well with FreeBSD and is :- on par with the adaptec 2940UW? (pci of course) I use a DTC3130b (NCR8015) and the perf doesn't seem all that different from the 2940, but I havn't benchmarked it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:47:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07630 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:47:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07377 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:46:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 12934 invoked by uid 1001); 16 Feb 1998 19:39:45 +0000 (GMT) To: perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: supported SCSI cards? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:16 -0500" References: <00e201bd3b0f$5b08e620$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:39:45 +0100 Message-ID: <12932.887657985@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well i was looking in the LINT kernel and there is no mention of specific > chipsets or anything, can anyone recommend a NCR card that works well with > FreeBSD and is on par with the adaptec 2940UW? (pci of course) I've had great success with both the Tekram DC-390F and the ASUS PCI-SC875. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08483 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:51:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08355; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:50:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02296; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:46:23 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34E76223.AACD7850@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:46:18 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Hsu CC: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: TenDRA C/C++ compiler (fwd) References: <199802150328.TAA24430@idiom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > Anyone feel up to a new compiler port? > Just ported it to SCO Open Server (it's differs from SCO 3 for TenDRA). And hacked libio from egcs-current to run with tcc. All patches, I guess, system-independed. (You can get it from: ftp://cam.grad.kiev.ua/pub/libio.tcc.patched.tar.gz ) Patches itself: ftp://cam.grad.kiev.ua/pub/libio.tcc.diff.gz You must compile it by tcc with -D__TCC__ Note, that make file is incomplete, becouse it is part of general configure of egcs, In principle, porting is not very hard, but few aspects: 1. tcc is POSIX ISO compiler. it mean, that we must modify our includes (i.e. /usr/include/*) to be ISO compliant in case __TCC__, and correct handle some TenDRA specific stuff. or write specific includes for TCC ( which, in generally, very bad) So, if we want to create command for tcc porting, We must have something with commit privelegies. 2. It is not included standart C++ library. (Changed libio (streams stuff) we have, STL we can get form hp, so all ok) One question: Anybody know, where exist libio library itself, without gcc ? I want to join to the team, but I have very limited free time. And as saying, we must have commiters, in team, becouse FreeBSD includes are not ISO C. Thanks . > ------- start of forwarded message ------- > Subject: ANNOUNCE: TenDRA C/C++ compiler > From: Robert Andrews ?rca@rivers.dra.hmg.gb? > Newsgroups: comp.lang.c.moderated,comp.lang.c++.moderated,comp.std.c++,comp.compilers > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:10:10 GMT > > TenDRA 4.1.1 Release > -------------------- > > The Open Software Systems Group (OSSG) at the UK's Defence and > Evaluation Research Agency (DERA) is making its ANDF-based TenDRA > compiler available as a free, freely exploitable (i.e. not GPL), > public domain, source code release. (The precise terms are > available on the Web site below.) > > The compiler implementation is based on a language-independent and > processor-independent intermediate form, developed by DERA, but now > standardised as the XANDF preliminary standard by The Open Group. > > The purpose of this release is to maximise the value from the public > funds that paid for the development of this compiler. DERA's mission > permits us to take commercial contracts, and if we have the resources > we will try and respond to requests for maintenance or development > services - indeed we are currently providing such services for the > XANDF code generators to a compiler company that plans to sell an > Ada compiler product that also uses XANDF. If any other company > wishes in the future to provide services in support of the TenDRA > technology we would be delighted to assist them in the setting up > of such services. Anyone wishing to discuss commercial services > should contact me at the address below. > > The release can be downloaded from the TenDRA Web site: > > http://alph.dera.gov.uk/TenDRA/ > > or by FTP from alph.dera.gov.uk, from the directory /pub/TenDRA. > The release consists of two components, TenDRA-4.1.1.tar.gz (~3.9MB), > containing the compiler source, and TenDRA-4.1.1-doc.tar.gz (~0.75MB), > containing the HTML documentation (this documentation is also > accessible directly from the Web site). The list of supported > platforms is given at the Web site, and includes most popular Unix > platforms, including SPARC/Solaris and Intel/Linux. Support for NT > is planned, but is not currently available. > > The release software comprises: > > - compiler front-ends for C and C++ (written to the latest draft > ISO standard); > > - compiler back-ends for the supported platforms; > > - tools for creating, displaying and manipulating the XANDF > binary format; > > - descriptions for a number of common APIs used in the compiler's > API checking facilities; > > - compiler generator tools, including a parser generator, used > in the development of the TenDRA compiler. > > The compiler features include: > > - strict checking for conformance to the ISO C and draft ISO > C++ standards, including references to the standard in error > messages; > > - API conformance checking using the TenDRA API descriptions; > > - configurable extra static program checks; > > - configurable support for C and C++ dialect features. > > The C++ front-end has been developed from the draft ISO C++ standard, > and, with a couple of exceptions, supports the complete language. > The current deficiencies are: > > - the current implementation of exception handling imposes a > small run-time overhead even when not used (it can be > disabled however); > > - the automatic inter-module instantiation of templates is not > yet working properly, and has been disabled; > > - certain topics concerned with the timing of destructors are > not currently in line with the draft standard. > > In addition, this release only contains a minimal run-time support > library giving support for language features such as ?new?, > ?exception? and ?typeinfo?. If support for the complete C++ > standard library is required then one of the available freeware > implementations should be used. > > DERA have some funds for further development of the compiler until > April 1998, and will be addressing these issues. Any suggestions on > priorising this work would be welcomed. > > Acknowledgments: > > The development of this compiler was paid for by both the UK's > Ministry of Defence and the Commision of the European Communities > in a project called DEPLOY within their Esprit Programme. Numerous > companies and individuals have contributed to the TenDRA project > during its lifetime, in particular the Open Software Foundation > (now The Open Group) whose original concept ANDF was. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Rob Andrews > Principal Scientist > Email: R.Andrews@eris.dera.gov.uk > -- > comp.lang.c.moderated - clcm@plethora.net > ------- end of forwarded message ------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 11:53:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08913 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:53:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08802; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:52:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwalt@mwci.net) Received: from firewall.mwci.net (firewall.mwci.net [205.254.160.134]) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20853; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:30:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:33:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jesse Walters To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Luigi Rizzo's pnp mod Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I emailed Luigi about this but he is understandably very busy, hopefully this list can help me out. I am trying to get my awe32 pnp working and I need to install Rizzo's pnp support. I copyed the pnp.c and pnp.h to /sys/i386/isa and I ran from / patch Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11864 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sparks.net (exim@gw.sparks.net [204.248.143.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11633 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@sparks.net) Received: from david by sparks.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #5) id 0y4WM7-0000Ct-00; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:37:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:37:31 -0500 (EST) From: To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Boot off ATA flash? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've seen various messages saying "it should be easy" and the like, and have found a pccard reader with bios. But it still refuses to boot, acting like the sector mapping is fubarred. Is anyone actually booting a FreeBSD system off a flash card who would be willing to give me a few pointers? Thanks in advance! --- David Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when one doesn't know what one can't do! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 12:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13171 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pat.idi.ntnu.no (0@pat.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.103.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12825 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no) Received: from idi.ntnu.no (tegge@presis.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.111.173]) by pat.idi.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07226; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:57:36 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802161957.UAA07226@pat.idi.ntnu.no> To: toor@dyson.iquest.net Cc: freebsd@isvara.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:35:13 -0500 (EST)" References: <199802141735.MAA06202@dyson.iquest.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:57:36 +0100 From: Tor Egge Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > freebsd@isvara.net said: > > Hi, > > I'm experiencing a problem with the freebsd-current bootdisks since > > a weeks ago. I get the error: > > vm_page_free: pindex(12), busy(0), PG_BUSY(0), hold(0) > > panic: vm_page_free: freeing page > > > > There is clearly a problem with the VM subsystem, and there have been a > > few messages posted here with people pointing this out. Since this stops > > people installing the latest freebsd-current, it could be considered > > quite important. > > > I'll try to look at it, but I am going to be very busy again next week. > If someone else gets a chance to look into it, it would be helpful. vnode_pager_getpages first called ffs_getpages. ffs_getpages assumes that the underlying device has a getpages operation, and performes some operations (e.g. freeing the 4 last pages passed to ffs_getpages). Then the VOP_GETPAGES routine returns EOPNOTSUPP, and ffs_getpages returns this error code. vnode_pager_getpages assumes that the call to VOP_GETPAGES had no side effects, and proceeds to call vnode_pager_leaf_getpages which attempts to free the last 4 pages once more (with a panic as the result). I suggest adding a getpages operation to mfs, e.g. applying the appended patch. --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 (kgdb) where #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xf0118847 in panic (fmt=0xf01013f8 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:425 #2 0xf0101415 in db_panic (addr=-264640668, have_addr=0, count=-1, modif=0xf61bab58 "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:432 #3 0xf01012f5 in db_command (last_cmdp=0xf0226aa4, cmd_table=0xf0226904, aux_cmd_tablep=0xf039ecb0) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:332 #4 0xf0101482 in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:454 #5 0xf0103b43 in db_trap (type=3, code=0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71 #6 0xf01bb921 in kdb_trap (type=3, code=0, regs=0xf61bac44) at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:157 #7 0xf01c8e38 in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = -266674698, tf_ebp = -165958520, tf_isp = -165958548, tf_ebx = 256, tf_edx = -266618091, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = 18, tf_trapno = 3, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266618035, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 598, tf_esp = -266618107, tf_ss = -267286564}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:474 #8 0xf01bbb4d in Debugger (msg=0xf01187dc "panic") at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:316 #9 0xf011883e in panic (fmt=0xf01addf6 "vm_page_free: freeing free page") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:423 #10 0xf01adecd in vm_page_freechk_and_unqueue (m=0xf093ed98) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:1048 #11 0xf01adfc4 in vm_page_free (m=0xf093ed98) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:1135 #12 0xf01b15ff in vnode_pager_freepage (m=0xf093ed98) at ../../vm/vnode_pager.c:318 #13 0xf01b1e63 in vnode_pager_leaf_getpages (object=0xf03afda4, m=0xf61badb4, count=16, reqpage=0) at ../../vm/vnode_pager.c:656 #14 0xf01b1b55 in vnode_pager_getpages (object=0xf03afda4, m=0xf61badb4, count=16, reqpage=0) at ../../vm/vnode_pager.c:542 #15 0xf01b08a3 in vm_pager_get_pages (object=0xf03afda4, m=0xf61badb4, count=16, reqpage=0) at ../../vm/vm_pager.c:182 #16 0xf01118ea in exec_map_first_page (imgp=0xf61bae90) at ../../kern/kern_exec.c:394 #17 0xf011140e in execve (p=0xf61b4ec0, uap=0xf61baf98) at ../../kern/kern_exec.c:173 #18 0xf010d128 in start_init (p=0xf61b4ec0) at ../../kern/init_main.c:639 #19 0xf010cf56 in kthread_init (dummy=0x0) at ../../kern/init_main.c:532 #20 0xf01bcbe3 in fork_trampoline () Cannot access memory at address 0x1ffff000. (kgdb) up 15 #15 0xf01b08a3 in vm_pager_get_pages (object=0xf03afda4, m=0xf61badb4, count=16, reqpage=0) at ../../vm/vm_pager.c:182 (kgdb) down #14 0xf01b1b55 in vnode_pager_getpages (object=0xf03afda4, m=0xf61badb4, count=16, reqpage=0) at ../../vm/vnode_pager.c:542 (kgdb) list 537 struct vnode *vp; 538 539 vp = object->handle; 540 rtval = VOP_GETPAGES(vp, m, count*PAGE_SIZE, reqpage, 0); 541 if (rtval == EOPNOTSUPP) 542 return vnode_pager_leaf_getpages(object, m, count, reqpage); 543 else 544 return rtval; 545 } 546 (kgdb) print vop_getpages_desc $1 = {vdesc_offset = 40, vdesc_name = 0xf01006c4 "vop_getpages", vdesc_flags = 0, vdesc_vp_offsets = 0xf0226728, vdesc_vpp_offset = -1, vdesc_cred_offset = -1, vdesc_proc_offset = -1, vdesc_componentname_offset = -1, vdesc_transports = 0x0} (kgdb) print vp $2 = (struct vnode *) 0x0 (kgdb) print ((struct vnode *) object->handle)->v_op[40] $3 = (int (*)()) 0xf019c17c (kgdb) ----- Index: mfs_vnops.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c,v retrieving revision 1.34 diff -u -r1.34 mfs_vnops.c --- mfs_vnops.c 1998/01/01 12:40:25 1.34 +++ mfs_vnops.c 1998/02/16 18:57:06 @@ -56,6 +56,7 @@ static int mfs_reclaim __P((struct vop_reclaim_args *)); /* XXX */ static int mfs_print __P((struct vop_print_args *)); /* XXX */ static int mfs_strategy __P((struct vop_strategy_args *)); /* XXX */ +static int mfs_getpages __P((struct vop_getpages_args *)); /* XXX */ /* * mfs vnode operations. */ @@ -66,7 +67,7 @@ { &vop_bwrite_desc, (vop_t *) vop_defaultop }, { &vop_close_desc, (vop_t *) mfs_close }, { &vop_fsync_desc, (vop_t *) mfs_fsync }, - { &vop_getpages_desc, (vop_t *) vop_defaultop }, + { &vop_getpages_desc, (vop_t *) mfs_getpages }, { &vop_inactive_desc, (vop_t *) mfs_inactive }, { &vop_ioctl_desc, (vop_t *) vop_enotty }, { &vop_islocked_desc, (vop_t *) vop_defaultop }, @@ -310,4 +311,13 @@ i = vop_defaultop(ap); printf("mfs_badop[%s] = %d\n", ap->a_desc->vdesc_name,i); return (i); +} + + +static int +mfs_getpages(ap) + struct vop_getpages_args *ap; +{ + + return (VOCALL(spec_vnodeop_p, VOFFSET(vop_getpages), ap)); } - Tor Egge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 12:23:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18557 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:23:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18499 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07543; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:22:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802162022.MAA07543@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: DAN ONTANU cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IOMEGA's zip driver. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:49:52 +0200." <009C1EA4.E4906340.56@roearn.ici.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:22:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does FreeBSD already have a driver for the IOMEGA's Zip drive? There are five different, incompatible Zip devices. Which one did you have in mind? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 12:43:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22226 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thunderdome.plutotech.com (root@thunderdome.plutotech.com [206.168.67.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22167; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by thunderdome.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13753; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA00329; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:42:59 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199802162042.NAA00329@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: The Adaptec 7895 (again)... In-Reply-To: from "Andrew N. Edmond" at "Feb 16, 98 01:26:54 pm" To: edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org (Andrew N. Edmond) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:42:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, ken@plutotech.com, gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew N. Edmond wrote... > > > I'm writing to follow up on some mailing list archive hints that mentioned > > > that there might be a highly desireable 3.0-current bootdisk with the CAM > > > bits on board... is there any truth to this? If such a boot disk exists, > > > where can one find it? > > > > Well, I keep wanting to create one and Justin keeps telling me "next > > week", so I'm not sure if that's going to exist anytime soon. Justin? :-) > > If I get a cvsup of the 3.0-current source, apply the CAM diffs, how do I > then make my own boot floppy? I can't find instruction for this anywhere, > and this is a point for consideration - instructions for making your own > boot floppy from a custom source tree? Well, to make boot floppies you generally have to make a release. That is a major pain. But, someone has already done the work for you! Check out: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/cam-boot.tgz It is a CAM boot floppy, probably made from our latest released CAM snapshot. (back in early January) If you've got questions about it, mail Andrzej Bialecki . If for some reason that doesn't work for you, I'd suggest getting a supported controller and doing the install that way. (If you have any other FreeBSD boxes, you have a supported controller!) Then download the -current source and patch in the CAM changes. Then just dump that disk over onto the disks on the other machines. :) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 12:51:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24099 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:51:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shaman.lycaeum.org (shaman.lycaeum.org [207.66.171.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24044; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org) Received: from localhost (edmond@localhost) by shaman.lycaeum.org (Partyon/dude!) with SMTP id NAA09165; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:26:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:26:54 -0700 (MST) From: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Kenneth Merry , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Adaptec 7895 (again)... In-Reply-To: <2431.887654024@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [Yow! Insane number of cross posts! Bad monkey, no taco for you! :-) > Trimmed to just one mailing list.. ] /me apologizes profusely, surely you can understand the temptation of four shiny new 666mhz boxes with 23gig Elites loaded and ready to go with no driver! Tacos are on me next time :) > > I'm writing to follow up on some mailing list archive hints that mentioned > > that there might be a highly desireable 3.0-current bootdisk with the CAM > > bits on board... is there any truth to this? If such a boot disk exists, > > where can one find it? > > Well, I keep wanting to create one and Justin keeps telling me "next > week", so I'm not sure if that's going to exist anytime soon. Justin? :-) If I get a cvsup of the 3.0-current source, apply the CAM diffs, how do I then make my own boot floppy? I can't find instruction for this anywhere, and this is a point for consideration - instructions for making your own boot floppy from a custom source tree? Andy ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: \-/ :::::::: Andrew N. Edmond - finger for PGP key :::::::::: \-/ /-\ :::::: ............ :::::: /-\ \-/ ::: edmond@lycaeum.org :::::: an1@anon.nymserver.com ::: \-/ /-\ : Director of the Lycaeum :: the Nymserver Administrator : /-\ \-/ ::: www.lycaeum.org :::::: www.nymserver.com ::: \-/ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 12:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24592 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24518 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 4329 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Feb 1998 20:58:47 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-020998 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00a226f0@pop.mpc.com.br> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:58:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Capriotti Subject: Re: SFT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14-Feb-98 Capriotti wrote: > Hey, boys, just one question that crossed my mind: > > Why can't the kernel do something like: > > > (consider a system w/ mirrowed disks using ccd) > > if (main disk) fails then start using (mirror disk) > > What - technically - prevents ccd/kernel/something else from being able > to > do it ? > > At 11:33 AM 1/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Capriotti wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have any news about System Fault Tolerance under Free ? >>> >>> Like what Novell has, from mirrowed disks to mirrowed servers ? >> >> Mirrored disks can be done with ccd. I am working on these issues. They are not as simple as one would have liked them to be. My proposed solution will come in several flavours: a. Fault Resilient; Where hardware failure does not destroy the data, and common hardware problems can be survived without disruption of service. b. High Availability; Where the system does not have a SPOF (single Point Of Failure), and can detect failures, and swith over processing from a failed component to a healthy component. c. Fault Tolerant; Where a single failure will not discrupt the service, which will be able to continue, in a manner transparent to external users. My plan is to have options a. & b. available before April 1998, and option c. by year end. I am planning on directing much of this discussion (unless told otherwise) to freebsd-database, as this is typically where the most interested audience should be, and since many of the tools developed have one thing or another to do with database technology. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.708.7858 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 13:10:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28508 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:10:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28445 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07728; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:06:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802162106.NAA07728@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), sthaug@nethelp.no, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:01:49 GMT." <199802161401.HAA08629@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:06:47 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Why does FreeBSD require 5M to boot, then? If the kernel loads at 1M, > > > and takes 3M or less, then the 5M requirement should go away, right? > > > I mean, 1 + 3 = 4... > > > > It doesn't. You can boot FreeBSD on a machine with 2M. > > > > You need 5M to avoid having the *installation* disk puke when it runs > > out of memory. > > Now Lucy, 'splain me this: > > How can I map 5M with only one 4M page? You don't, obviously. Pardon my checking, Terry, but are you twitting me or do you really not understand the issues at all? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 13:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00357 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:19:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00202; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:18:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05646; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:18:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA00486; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:17:54 +0100 (CET) X-Face: " Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:17:54 +0100 From: Stefan Esser To: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: PCI LKM Drivers ? Mail-Followup-To: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser References: <199802050526.VAA00603@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802050526.VAA00603@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Wed, Feb 04, 1998 at 09:26:55PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-02-04 21:26 -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Curious, what is the correct way to load an LKM PCI driver? You need a version of the PCI code, that was not yet tagged into the -stable tree: pci.c (1.64), pcibus.h (1.8) Check the mail archive for my messages on that topic in the September to December 1996 time frame ... > What I would like to have is a Bt848 LKM . > > Tnks, > Amancio > ----------------------- > > static char* lkm_probe (pcici_t tag, pcidi_t type); > static void lkm_attach (pcici_t tag, int unit); > static u_long lkm_count; > > static struct pci_device lkm_device = { > "lkm", > lkm_probe, > lkm_attach, > &lkm_count, > NULL > }; > > DATA_SET (pcidevice_set, lkm_device); > > static char* > lkm_probe (pcici_t tag, pcidi_t type) > { > /* > ** Not yet! > ** (Should try to load a matching driver) > */ > return ((char*)0); > } > > static void > lkm_attach (pcici_t tag, int unit) > {} What you suggest is to tell the PCI code about the laoding of LKMs. That's not the best approach, IMHO. For the case of the Bt848 driver just replace (with the above mentioned versions of pci.c and pcibus.h compiled into the kernel): DATA_SET (pcidevice_set, bktr_device); by: #ifndef LKM DATA_SET (pcidevice_set, bktr_device); #else bktr_load(struct lkm_table* lkmtp, int cmd) { return pci_register_lkm(&bktr_device, 0) } #endif That's it ... When going multi-user, you want to run the following shell script from /etc/rc: #!/bin/sh for dev in `pciconf -l |cut -f1` do if pciconf -a $dev | grep -q "not attached" then DevVendorID=`pciconf -r $dev 0` LKM=`grep $DevVendorID /etc/pcidevices | cut -f 2` LKMfile=/lkm/pci/$LKM.o echo "$dev Loading $LKMfile for DevVendorID $DevVendorID" modload $LKMfile fi done This expects /etc/pcidevices to contain lines like those: 0x0350109E brkt BrookTree 848 0x802910ec if_ed Realtek 8129 NE2000 compatible Ethernet [Everything beyond the second column is a comment. The script will load /lkm/pci/brkt.o, if the PCI vendor and device ID is matched. The script relies on a feature of the PCI code and the pciconf utility (the -a flag) which is not present in -stable, currently, but this has all been tested and works reliably.] If I reserve some time the next few days, I might be able to add the (long finished) PCI LKM support to -stable. I did not do this, yet, because I expect the changes to the FreeBSD device driver code to require an interface change, and there has not been much demand for the LKM feature ... Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 13:19:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00381 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00216; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:18:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05659; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:18:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id VAA00378; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:42:55 +0100 (CET) X-Face: " Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:42:55 +0100 From: Stefan Esser To: "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_E=DFer?= Subject: Re: PCI LKM's? Mail-Followup-To: Daniel O'Connor , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_E=DFer?= References: <199802130130.MAA09978@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802130130.MAA09978@cain.gsoft.com.au>; from Daniel O'Connor on Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 12:00:24PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-02-13 12:00 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to convert a static PCI device driver to an LKM, but I can't fiure > out how to probe it.. If its an ISA device I run the probe routine with the > config info, but for a PCI device I don't know how to tell if it is inthe > machine or not after boot time. > > I tried looking in /usr/src/sys/pci/* for examples, but pcisupport.c was the > only thing with any LKM stuff and it didn't help :( > > Can anyone help me? > (I am running 2.2.5-STABLE) I added PCI LKM support to the PCI code more than one year ago, but never put it into the "official" 2.2.x repository. If you want patches, I can provide you with them, but if there is sufficient interest, I can also commit that code to -stable. The interface is very simple: int pci_register_lkm (struct pci_device *dvp, int if_revision) Call that function with the address of the pci_device struct (the XXX argument of the "DATA_SET(pcidevice_set, XXX);" for the compiled in driver case) and an interface revision value of 0, and everything else will be taken care of automagically. I added a support function to pciconf (or rather the underlying ioctl()), which reported whether a driver had been attached to a device. This allowed the loading of PCI LKMs from a script called from /etc/rc, controlled by the PCI vendor and device IDs. Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 13:25:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02671 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:25:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02419; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:24:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07789; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:23:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802162123.NAA07789@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Esser cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI LKM's? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:42:55 +0100." <19980216214255.33660@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:23:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I added PCI LKM support to the PCI code more than one year > ago, but never put it into the "official" 2.2.x repository. > If you want patches, I can provide you with them, but if > there is sufficient interest, I can also commit that code > to -stable. There is sufficient interest. This would allow shipping of PCI drivers without requiring kernel rebuilds, which is highly desirable for 2.2.6 -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 13:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08037 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:40:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shaman.lycaeum.org (shaman.lycaeum.org [207.66.171.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07784; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:39:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org) Received: from localhost (edmond@localhost) by shaman.lycaeum.org (Partyon/dude!) with SMTP id OAA13119; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:42:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:42:35 -0700 (MST) From: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" Reply-To: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" To: abial@nask.pl cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Kenneth Merry , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 7895: cam-boot - thanks! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej, Thanks for making a cam-boot floppy - before I truck this puppy down to the rack closet, I wanna ask a question if you don't mind! boot.flp has the aha0 SCSI driver on it only, right - so I need a supported chipset (say the 2940UW) to do the install, and then I can copy over the new kernel and remove the 2940UW and replace with the 7895's I got? Is this essentially correct? Or are the CAM drivers on the boot floppy itself? Andy ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: \-/ :::::::: Andrew N. Edmond - finger for PGP key :::::::::: \-/ /-\ :::::: ............ :::::: /-\ \-/ ::: edmond@lycaeum.org :::::: an1@anon.nymserver.com ::: \-/ /-\ : Director of the Lycaeum :: the Nymserver Administrator : /-\ \-/ ::: www.lycaeum.org :::::: www.nymserver.com ::: \-/ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 13:49:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10121 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:49:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (dynamic48.pm01.san-mateo.best.com [205.149.174.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10021 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:49:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA12858; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:49:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980216124926.52150@mooseriver.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:49:26 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Larry Wall to give a talk at Autodesk Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The World Wide Web Special Interest Group (Web SIG) of Softech Announces a Presentation on: "Perl: An Alternative to Java?" by Larry Wall, the creator of the Perl scripting language. Monday night, March 2nd at 7:00 PM Softech members free; $10.00 for others. Location: Autodesk 111 McInnis Parkway (behind the Embassy Suites Hotel) San Rafael CA 94903 Web Site: http://www.softech.org/sigweb.htm/ For further information, contact: David M. Snyder (415) 499-3463 dmsnyder@well.com With all the hoopla over Java, why is Perl creator Larry Wall convinced that Perl will remain the language of choice for many Webmasters now and for the foreseeable future? Hear the guru of Perl discuss what sets Perl apart from other computer languages, and where Perl is going with respect to multithreading, compilation, portability, and XML. Larry will explain how, in the midst of all these exciting developments, the philosophy of Perl never changes: easy things should be easy, and hard things should be possible. Our March meeting promises to be an exciting one. Perl is perhaps the most widely used language for creating CGI (Common Gateway Interface) scripts for web sites. These are the scripts that are used for interactive, user-driven applications, such as search engines and database connectivity. With CGI, the web server can run a program using data input from the user. Web pages containing requested data can be created "on the fly." Larry Wall is Senior Programmer at O'Reilly & Associates (Sebastapol, CA). In his copious free time :-) he has authored some of the most popular free programs available for UNIX, including the rn news reader, the ubiquitous patch program, and the Perl programming language. By training, Larry is actually a linguist, having wandered about both U.C. Berkeley and U.C.L.A. as a grad student. (Oddly enough, while at Berkeley, he had nothing to do with the UNIX development going on there.) More Information about Perl and Larry Wall: Link to articles about the first Perl Conference, including Larry Wall's keynote address, and many Perl Resources at http://perl.oreilly.com/ You can read an interview with Larry Wall by Dale Dougherty, CEO of Songline Studios, at http://www.perl.com/ ***************************************************************************** Background: The NORTH BAY SOFTWARE AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION (Softech), sponsored by Autodesk, Broderbund, Fair Isaac, and others, promotes the software and information technology industries in the North Bay. For more information about Softech, see the web site at http://www.softech.org/ ***************************************************************************** -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.5 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 13:59:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12501 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12423 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:58:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07811; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:27:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802162127.NAA07811@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tor Egge cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, freebsd@isvara.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:57:36 +0100." <199802161957.UAA07226@pat.idi.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:27:37 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > freebsd@isvara.net said: > > > Hi, > > > I'm experiencing a problem with the freebsd-current bootdisks since > > > a weeks ago. I get the error: > > > vm_page_free: pindex(12), busy(0), PG_BUSY(0), hold(0) > > > panic: vm_page_free: freeing page > > > > > > There is clearly a problem with the VM subsystem, and there have been a > > > few messages posted here with people pointing this out. Since this stops > > > people installing the latest freebsd-current, it could be considered > > > quite important. > > > > > I'll try to look at it, but I am going to be very busy again next week. > > If someone else gets a chance to look into it, it would be helpful. > > vnode_pager_getpages first called ffs_getpages. ffs_getpages assumes > that the underlying device has a getpages operation, and performes > some operations (e.g. freeing the 4 last pages passed to ffs_getpages). > Then the VOP_GETPAGES routine returns EOPNOTSUPP, and ffs_getpages > returns this error code. In the case in question, this is to be expected. The MFS is supposed to be in the kernel image, but because the 4MB page covering the kernel is not correctly set up an early MFS operation causes a fatal fault. Your fix is probably correct in the general case, but it's not relevant here. Just for general reference though, with DISABLE_PSE in GENERIC the -current install disk image works again. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 14:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14593 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:06:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (196-31-98-118.iafrica.com [196.31.98.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14383; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:05:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rnordier@iafrica.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA04038; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:04:24 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199802162204.AAA04038@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: TenDRA C/C++ compiler (fwd) In-Reply-To: <34E76223.AACD7850@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> from Ruslan Shevchenko at "Feb 15, 98 11:46:18 pm" To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:04:21 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hsu@idiom.com, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, rnordier@iafrica.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > > > Anyone feel up to a new compiler port? > > > > Just ported it to SCO Open Server (it's differs from SCO 3 for TenDRA). > > [ ...] I have been using it on a FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE box here for the last two days. I haven't checked the C++ side of things, but as a C compiler it's impressive. > In principle, porting is not very hard, but few aspects: > 1. tcc is POSIX ISO compiler. > it mean, that we must modify our includes (i.e. /usr/include/*) > to be ISO compliant in case __TCC__, and correct handle some > TenDRA specific stuff. > or write specific includes for TCC ( which, in generally, very bad) > So, if we want to create command for tcc porting, We must have something > with commit privelegies. Actually, no. One of the main design features of TenDRA is that you *don't* have to modify system headers (you modify API definitions instead). This means you can write (say) SVID3 programs, even if your libraries aren't particularly SVID compatible. (I just compiled a whole bunch of UNIX95 API programs, even though FreeBSD's UNIX95 API support is rather limited.) My impression is that the TenDRA compiler is a really important addition to free software, and deserves a lot of attention from anyone interested in portability across UNIX systems, or in the various ANSI/ISO, POSIX, XPG standards ... or just in a very solid, non-GPLed compiler. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 14:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14941 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14835 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:07:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23858; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:07:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:07:06 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-Reply-To: <199802161226.EAA06224@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > The situation is such that I wish to manage the bulk of my mail from a > single login on a single system, mostly for portability (being a > laptop) and centralisation. > > However, I have a number of different contact addresses, and want to > retain the individuality of these, ie. mail to one should be answered Pine allows the user to set the outgoing mail address. It also allows multiple incoming folders, although I've never used the feature. It would probably be simple to hack pine such that it used a different outgoing address per incoming folder. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 14:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15787 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:11:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15608 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:10:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07843; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:05:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd007841; Mon Feb 16 14:05:20 1998 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:01:28 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WatchDog Timer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG eh? what watchdog? we have a hook that is called by the kernel when it is doing long uninterrupted operations (e.g. dumping core) but it's just a hook. The user needs to supply their own hardware watchdog.. (and code to tickle it) julian On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > What is the driver name & path of the WatchDog timer device driver? > I can't find it. I know it is dumb of me... > > ---------- > > > Sincerely Yours, > > Simon Shapiro > Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.708.7858 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 14:18:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17269 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17165 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:17:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 8392 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Feb 1998 22:23:45 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-020998 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:23:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Julian Elischer Subject: Re: WatchDog Timer Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16-Feb-98 Julian Elischer wrote: > eh? > what watchdog? > we have a hook that is called by the kernel > when it is doing long uninterrupted operations (e.g. dumping core) > but it's just a hook. The user needs to supply their own hardware > watchdog.. (and code to tickle it) > > julian If there is no driver for such hardware today, I'll write it this week. This is really not the same as a kernel's internal watchdog. What we are talking about here is used to build a dead-man switch; In case of O/S catastrophic failure, this device will reboot the machine, or in the case of HA/FT, signal to the rest of the ``system'' that a Unix instance just died. I simply do not want to write a driver that was already written. What is the kernel's hook name/path? Maybe we can merge the two, or at least relate to each other. As in ``If the kernel is busy with a long, uninterrupted operation, we automatically mask off the dead-man switch''. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.708.7858 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 14:31:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20477 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:31:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20341; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06987; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:30:16 +0100 (MET) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id XAA01528; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:30:19 +0100 (CET) X-Face: " Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:30:18 +0100 From: Stefan Esser To: Mike Smith Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: PCI LKM's? Mail-Followup-To: Mike Smith , Daniel O'Connor , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser References: <19980216214255.33660@mi.uni-koeln.de> <199802162123.NAA07789@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802162123.NAA07789@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:23:53PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-02-16 13:23 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > I added PCI LKM support to the PCI code more than one year > > ago, but never put it into the "official" 2.2.x repository. > > If you want patches, I can provide you with them, but if > > there is sufficient interest, I can also commit that code > > to -stable. > > There is sufficient interest. This would allow shipping of PCI drivers > without requiring kernel rebuilds, which is highly desirable for 2.2.6 Are you going to test that PCI LKM code ? I don't have a -stable system, and can not easily boot a 2.2.x kernel ... Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 14:38:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22033 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:38:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21744; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:37:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08089; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:36:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802162236.OAA08089@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Esser cc: Mike Smith , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI LKM's? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:30:18 +0100." <19980216233018.60253@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:36:38 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 1998-02-16 13:23 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > I added PCI LKM support to the PCI code more than one year > > > ago, but never put it into the "official" 2.2.x repository. > > > If you want patches, I can provide you with them, but if > > > there is sufficient interest, I can also commit that code > > > to -stable. > > > > There is sufficient interest. This would allow shipping of PCI drivers > > without requiring kernel rebuilds, which is highly desirable for 2.2.6 > > Are you going to test that PCI LKM code ? > > I don't have a -stable system, and can not > easily boot a 2.2.x kernel ... I would be happy to do what I could, but I know for a fact that Daniel will have a specific application for it & will want to test it ASAP. Someone like Genesis that wants to ship a basically stock 2.2.x system with device support for custom hardware would be thrilled to be able to bolt their support onto GENERIC without having to rebuild kernels. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 14:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25377 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25227 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:52:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08626; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd008623; Mon Feb 16 14:42:08 1998 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:38:16 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WatchDog Timer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG look in wd.c (for example) for the code: #ifdef HW_WDOG if (wdog_tickler) (*wdog_tickler)(); #endif this is in the code to make a core dump and it tickles the watchdog each 1MB of core saved... we added it for our h/w watchdog at whistle. the existance of the function pointer is the entire support in freeBSD for a hardware watchdog, and took a whole 4 bytes :) we got tired of getting HALF of a core-dump :) under normal circumstances, the watchdog is tickled by a userland process. On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > On 16-Feb-98 Julian Elischer wrote: > > eh? > > what watchdog? > > we have a hook that is called by the kernel > > when it is doing long uninterrupted operations (e.g. dumping core) > > but it's just a hook. The user needs to supply their own hardware > > watchdog.. (and code to tickle it) > > > > julian > > If there is no driver for such hardware today, I'll write it this week. > This is really not the same as a kernel's internal watchdog.. What we are > talking about here is used to build a dead-man switch; In case of O/S > catastrophic failure, this device will reboot the machine, or in the case > of HA/FT, signal to the rest of the ``system'' that a Unix instance just > died. > > I simply do not want to write a driver that was already written. > What is the kernel's hook name/path? Maybe we can merge the two, or at > least relate to each other. As in ``If the kernel is busy with a long, > uninterrupted operation, we automatically mask off the dead-man switch''. > > ---------- > > > Sincerely Yours, > > Simon Shapiro > Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.708.7858 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 15:16:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01849 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01663; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:15:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA27471; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:15:46 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA04685; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:15:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217001544.05555@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:15:44 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Stefan Esser Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI LKM Drivers ? References: <199802050526.VAA00603@rah.star-gate.com> <19980216221754.09856@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980216221754.09856@mi.uni-koeln.de>; from Stefan Esser on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 10:17:54PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 10:17:54PM +0100, Stefan Esser wrote: > On 1998-02-04 21:26 -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Curious, what is the correct way to load an LKM PCI driver? > > You need a version of the PCI code, that was not yet tagged > into the -stable tree: pci.c (1.64), pcibus.h (1.8) [... details deleted ...] > For the case of the Bt848 driver just replace (with > the above mentioned versions of pci.c and pcibus.h > compiled into the kernel): Does this mean it is intentional that later versions of the PCI code (post pci.c 1.72) don't have LKM support, and I have to have -stable to develop using PCI LKMs? As Amancio, I'm planning to hack on the Bt848-driver, and not having to reboot every time would be _very_ convenient. However, for the hacking I do on FreeBSD, I need to have -current... Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 15:43:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07054 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06778; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:42:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00801; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:42:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd000658; Mon Feb 16 16:42:35 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10261; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:42:27 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802162342.QAA10261@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: PCI LKM Drivers ? To: se@FreeBSD.ORG (Stefan Esser) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:42:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, se@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980216221754.09856@mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at Feb 16, 98 10:17:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > #ifndef LKM > > DATA_SET (pcidevice_set, bktr_device); > > #else > > bktr_load(struct lkm_table* lkmtp, int cmd) > { > return pci_register_lkm(&bktr_device, 0) > } Ick. #ifdef LKM #define DEVICE_PCI(name) \ DATA_SET(pcidevice_set,name ## _device); #else /* !LKM*/ #define DEVICE_PCI(name) \ static __inline int name ## _load(struct lkm_table* lkmtp, int cmd) \ { \ return pci_register_lkm( & name ## _device, 0); \ } #endif /* !LKM*/ In reality, a single linker set structure should be used instead to identify the device on static linking, and the linker set should be identified via -e (and -A should likewise not attempt to agregate linker set symbols with the existing linker set symbols in the symbol file being linked against). This is, in effect, how kld is intended to operate. The intent of the macro above is to require no source changes when kld comes into common use (ie: a kld version of DEVICE_PCI is possible). If the object is identical in the linked vs. loaded case (caveat: if an _entry is a linker set symbol, regular linking should ignore the _entry directive to allow regular linking to occur), then through the use of seperate ELF sections (assumming run-time agregation of linker sets instead of link-time agregation is performed by the loader), it should be possible to statically configure/desconfigure devices in a kernel image by archiving/dearchiving them in a seperate ELF section of the kernel image (the seperate section allows them to be seperable). > I did not do this, yet, because I expect the changes to the > FreeBSD device driver code to require an interface change, > and there has not been much demand for the LKM feature ... I think this is perhaps wise. I'm surprised that there has not been wider adoption of the kld mechanism as the logical replacement for the lkm mechanism. The lkm mechanism was intentionally built as a near-clone of the SunOS kernel module mechanism, and at the time, it was not resonable to have dual function objects (even for static linking, in the pre-ELF days) because of the policy decision to not put a link-loader in the kernel of the time. With this decision reversed, there is a much larger possibility space available to us. In any case, the kld code implements a kernel link-loader, which cleans up these issues significantly. This is probably where any module work should be targetted. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 15:43:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07073 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pat.idi.ntnu.no (0@pat.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.103.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06912 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no) Received: from idi.ntnu.no (tegge@presis.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.111.173]) by pat.idi.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16968; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:42:49 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802162342.AAA16968@pat.idi.ntnu.no> To: mike@smith.net.au cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:27:37 -0800" References: <199802162127.NAA07811@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:42:48 +0100 From: Tor Egge Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In the case in question, this is to be expected. The MFS is supposed > to be in the kernel image, but because the 4MB page covering the kernel > is not correctly set up an early MFS operation causes a fatal fault. > > Your fix is probably correct in the general case, but it's not relevant > here. It is relevant. I probably gave too little information in my previous mail. The kernel backtrace shown was for a slightly modified (DDB was added) 3.0-SNAP install kernel. The program to be started was "/stand/sysinstall". Without a mfs_getpages, I got the crash. With a mfs_getpages, the kernel booted fine, and I got the normal sysinstall menu. I did not regenerate the MFS image, thus exactly the same MFS image was used in both cases. DISABLE_PSE was not specified in the kernel config file for any of these (modified) 3.0-SNAP install kernels. It should not be needed to use this option at all. The main difference between running 3.0-CURRENT from hard disk and and installing a 3.0-SNAP from a floppy is how the MFS file system is used. Reading/writing files does not cause a VOP_GETPAGES() call, but a VOP_STRATEGY() call, which is supported by MFS. The actual layout of files on the MFS image in the kernel would very much affect whether this bug was to be triggered or not. The MFS image I've tested has a blocksize/fragment size of 4K/512 bytes. A short fsdb session (using a slightly modified fsdb) shows the following: ikke:/export/akg6/chroot/CURRENT/usr/obj/usr/src/release$ fsdb -r ./fs-image.std ./fs-image.std is not a character device CONTINUE? yes ** ./fs-image.std (NO WRITE) Examining file system `./fs-image.std' Last Mounted on /tmp/mnt_xx inode 2 is at fsblk 56 (dblk 56, inum 0..32) current inode: directory I=2 MODE=40755 SIZE=512 MTIME=Feb 16 20:00:31 1998 [0 nsec] CTIME=Feb 16 20:00:31 1998 [0 nsec] ATIME=Feb 16 20:00:30 1998 [0 nsec] OWNER=root GRP=wheel LINKCNT=6 FLAGS=0 BLKCNT=1 GEN=56788a10 direct blocks:120,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 indirect blocks:0,0,0 fsdb (inum: 2)> cd stand component `stand': inode 161 is at fsblk 96 (dblk 96, inum 160..192) current inode: directory I=161 MODE=40755 SIZE=512 MTIME=Feb 16 20:01:46 1998 [0 nsec] CTIME=Feb 16 20:01:46 1998 [0 nsec] ATIME=Feb 16 20:00:26 1998 [0 nsec] OWNER=root GRP=wheel LINKCNT=4 FLAGS=0 BLKCNT=1 GEN=43bbe041 direct blocks:121,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 indirect blocks:0,0,0 fsdb (inum: 161)> ls slot 0 ino 161 reclen 12: directory, `.' slot 1 ino 2 reclen 12: directory, `..' slot 2 ino 162 reclen 16: directory, `help' slot 3 ino 186 reclen 20: regular, `boot.help' slot 4 ino 187 reclen 20: regular, `boot_crunch' slot 5 ino 187 reclen 12: regular, `sh' slot 6 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `find' slot 7 ino 187 reclen 12: regular, `pwd' slot 8 ino 187 reclen 12: regular, `ft' slot 9 ino 187 reclen 12: regular, `ppp' slot 10 ino 187 reclen 20: regular, `sysinstall' slot 11 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `newfs' slot 12 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `gzip' slot 13 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `cpio' slot 14 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `bad144' slot 15 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `fsck' slot 16 ino 187 reclen 20: regular, `ifconfig' slot 17 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `route' slot 18 ino 187 reclen 20: regular, `slattach' slot 19 ino 187 reclen 20: regular, `mount_nfs' slot 20 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `gunzip' slot 21 ino 187 reclen 16: regular, `zcat' slot 22 ino 187 reclen 12: regular, `-sh' slot 23 ino 188 reclen 12: directory, `etc' slot 24 ino 192 reclen 136: regular, `symbols' fsdb (inum: 161)> inode 187 current inode: regular file I=187 MODE=100555 SIZE=1175552 MTIME=Feb 16 03:27:10 1998 [0 nsec] CTIME=Feb 16 20:00:31 1998 [0 nsec] ATIME=Feb 16 03:27:10 1998 [0 nsec] OWNER=root GRP=bin LINKCNT=19 FLAGS=0 BLKCNT=900 GEN=70972d4f direct blocks:272,280,288,296,304,312,320,328,336,344,352,360 indirect blocks:368,0,0 fsdb (inum: 187)> The first 12 pages in "/stand/sysinstall" are available via the direct blocks. The first indirect block (that describes where the rest of the file is located) is located after the first 12 pages, thus only the first 12 pages of the file are located sequentially, and ffs_getpages frees the last 4 pages (pindex 12 to pindex 15) passed to it before trying to call VOP_GETPAGES on the mfs vnode. This also explains why the reports has 12 as the page index right before the panic: vm_page_free: pindex(12), busy(0), PG_BUSY(0), hold(0) ^^ > Just for general reference though, with DISABLE_PSE in GENERIC the > -current install disk image works again. With a mfs_getpages, the -current install images should work again, regardless of DISABLE_PSE being used as an option or not. With VM_INITIAL_PAGEIN defined to 12 (instead of 16), the -current install image would probably work again, although that is not the correct fix. It is not obvious to me how using the DISABLE_PSE option fixes this problem. The problem probably started occuring with revision 1.76 of kern_exec.c, dated `1998/02/05 03:32:04', which changed the pagein behavior when starting new processes. - Tor Egge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 15:47:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07781 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:47:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07623; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:46:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27881; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802162345.PAA27881@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Terry Lambert cc: se@FreeBSD.ORG (Stefan Esser), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI LKM Drivers ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:42:27 GMT." <199802162342.QAA10261@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:45:50 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In any case, the kld code implements a kernel link-loader, which > cleans up these issues significantly. This is probably where any > module work should be targetted. > Thats fine, I think we are just looking for a mechanism to dynamically load PCI devices whether is lkm or kld is not a big concern right now for neither supports what we want --- that is to load dynamically a PCI driver. Tnks, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 15:52:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08704 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:52:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roguetrader.com (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08500 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@roguetrader.com) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by roguetrader.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23054 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:51:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:51:09 -0700 (MST) From: Brandon Gillespie To: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Networking Oddity, 16k/sec over 10B2, long pauses. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have a 10B2 network. It was getting a little large, so we installed an Asante 10B2 hub. Before the hub installed I could get great transfer rates. Now, I get 16k/sec transfer rates (via ftp). When I turn on hashing in ftp I see it download a chunk, then wait, then download a chunk, then wait. The waits are usually a second long. I am also seeing a collision light on the hub. I'm wondering if this pause is FreeBSD collecting its marbles after a collision; and what could possibly be causing the collision in the first place. *Nothing* was changed on the network (or nodes on the network) other than installing the hub and splitting into segments. Also, this problem only appears with FreeBSD boxes--ftping from a powermac over the hub to a Digial Unix box gets decent transfer rates. -Brandon Gillespie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 15:57:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09743 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp [131.113.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09591 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:56:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-ntc_mailserver1.03) id IAA08876; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:55:56 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:55:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199802162355.IAA08876@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> To: david@sparks.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Boot off ATA flash? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:37:31 -0500 (EST)". From: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.20] 1996-12/08(Sun) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article david@sparks.net writes: >> I've seen various messages saying "it should be easy" and the like, and >> have found a pccard reader with bios. But it still refuses to boot, >> acting like the sector mapping is fubarred. >> >> Is anyone actually booting a FreeBSD system off a flash card who would be >> willing to give me a few pointers? Example 1. I've heard that somebody was using FreeBSD on Fujitsu Intertop (http://www.fujitsu.co.jp/hypertext/news/1997/Jun/3e.html). It has only Compact Flash slot and Type II PCMCIA slot, and it has no HDD's in it. I remember that this PC can't boot from FDD, so I think that the compact flash was fdisked, disklabeled and injected FreeBSD from the other PC with PC-card slot. Example 2. There's a port of FreeBSD to NEC Mobile Gear (http://www.psinfo.nec.co.jp/mg/mk.htm, in Japanese only, but the image is available), CGA-like pocket PC and it has only Flash ATA slot, not HDD. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi Network Technology Center Keio University hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13922 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:13:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13888; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:13:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27098; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:15:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802162215.OAA27098@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Daniel J. O'Connor" cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GL Quake In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:58:08 +1030." <199802161328.XAA01397@holly.dons.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:15:13 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think if others also post on news.3dfx.com , 3dfx.glide.linux requesting a port of glide for FreeBSD it may increase our chances of getting a native glide library for FreeBSD. If you are not actively contributing this sure is a nice and easy way to contribute. For those who don't know what Glide is , Glide is a low level library interface to the Voodoo chipset which is a very popular 3d engine. Thank you, Amancio > Hi Amancio, > Well, I put in a good work for you on the 3Dfx newsgroup.. But it probably > won't help since my word is worth squat to them =) > > I have just got my shiny new Monster 3D card, and it works(ish) under FreeBSD. > It worked, but I got a weird problem where by when the console dropped down, > it would be triangular, and it would map the texture into the triangle.. > It looked really cool, but its not very useful =) > > I also have problems when it fails, (ie I;m not root), it screws up the VT, > and I have to go to another machine, telnet in, and change over (I couldn't > reset the VT back into a useable state ): > > Although all this is moot, beacuse now it has stopped working - I may have > wedged the 3D card tho.. But still, it LOOKED nice :) (bloody excellent > infact) > > I think this will probably be easier when I put Win95 back on my machine tho :) > > Thanks for your help, and the effort to get Quake working under FreeBSD too! > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:13:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13953 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13898; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:13:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26925; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:00:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802162200.OAA26925@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Stefan Esser cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI LKM's? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:42:55 +0100." <19980216214255.33660@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:00:24 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you can please try to commit the code and yes there is interest. Thank you, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16038 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15960; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:24:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13713; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:54:42 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199802170024.KAA13713@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Esser cc: Mike Smith , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI LKM's? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:30:18 BST." <19980216233018.60253@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:54:41 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > There is sufficient interest. This would allow shipping of PCI drivers > > without requiring kernel rebuilds, which is highly desirable for 2.2.6 > Are you going to test that PCI LKM code ? I can test it.. I am developing a PCI card, and having an LKM of the driver would be really handy to find bugs :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16872 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:29:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16699 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:28:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08389; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:58:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802162358.PAA08389@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tor Egge cc: mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:42:48 +0100." <199802162342.AAA16968@pat.idi.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:58:17 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > In the case in question, this is to be expected. The MFS is supposed > > to be in the kernel image, but because the 4MB page covering the kernel > > is not correctly set up an early MFS operation causes a fatal fault. > > > > Your fix is probably correct in the general case, but it's not relevant > > here. > > It is relevant. > > I probably gave too little information in my previous mail. I think so. Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. > The kernel backtrace shown was for a slightly modified (DDB was added) > 3.0-SNAP install kernel. The program to be started was "/stand/sysinstall". > > Without a mfs_getpages, I got the crash. > > With a mfs_getpages, the kernel booted fine, and I got the normal > sysinstall menu. Ah. It wasn't clear to me that you had actually done this. > DISABLE_PSE was not specified in the kernel config file for any > of these (modified) 3.0-SNAP install kernels. It should not be needed > to use this option at all. I concur, as does Bruce. I couldn't see what was wrong with either the before or after cases, merely that DISABLE_PSE made things work. > The main difference between running 3.0-CURRENT from hard disk and and > installing a 3.0-SNAP from a floppy is how the MFS file system is used. > Reading/writing files does not cause a VOP_GETPAGES() call, but a > VOP_STRATEGY() call, which is supported by MFS. Would this mean that in "normal" use, attempting to execute something off an MFS would also cause problems? [... explanation ...] > It is not obvious to me how using the DISABLE_PSE option fixes this > problem. Nor to me. At that point I was happy that it resolved the immediate issue. > The problem probably started occuring with revision 1.76 of kern_exec.c, > dated `1998/02/05 03:32:04', which changed the pagein behavior when > starting new processes. That would be consistent with the observed symptoms. Thanks for the fix; it looks as though I was, indeed, chasing yet another wrong (but oddly functional) answer to the problem. I owe you a beer. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:32:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17517 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17421 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:32:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA03995; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:07:39 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Smith cc: Tor Egge , toor@dyson.iquest.net, freebsd@isvara.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:27:37 PST." <199802162127.NAA07811@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:07:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3991.887674059@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Your fix is probably correct in the general case, but it's not relevant > here. It still seems a reasonable idea to bring it in... Do you want to test its efficacy on zaphod? Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20489 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:49:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.its.rpi.edu (dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu [128.113.161.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20423 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:48:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (dec@localhost) by phoenix.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA21103; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:48:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:48:08 -0500 (EST) From: "David E. Cross" To: Dmitry Kohmanyuk cc: Mikael Karpberg , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: byte ordering and talk? In-Reply-To: <199802121643.IAA08911@dog.farm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote: > In article <199802071416.PAA04586@ocean.campus.luth.se> you wrote: > [...] > > > No, the byte order is fixed in the specification (ntohs, nothl anyone). > > > the problem that you are refferning to is either of 2 problems: > > > > > > 1: slightly different struct sockaddr_in structres (some have a 'lenght' > > > field (AIX), others do not (FreeBSD) > > > > > > 2: ntalk/talk there are 2 differnt talk protocols, everyone uses one > > > (can't remember), sun uses the other. (check /etc/inetd.conf and > > > /etc/services, they bind to different ports.) > > > Everyone uses ntalk, except for SUN. > > So go install ntalk on the SUN machines, and you'll be fine. > > one consequence of talk brokenness in Solaris is that you cannot talk > from Solaris/sparc to Solaris/x86. (the error message is: > > [Unable to connect with initiator : Address family not supported by protocol fam > ily (124)] > > So, it is a vendor problem not worth to fix in FreeBSD IMHO.... Not exaclty (sorry I have been on vacation, not sure if this has been addressed it... but that is the exact error message that is returned by error #1. The differenec in the socvket structer between BSD and SysV is as follow: BSD: struct { word family; ... } ; SysV: struct { u_char size; u_char family } for AF_INET the size is always 0x10 (16 dec). I am not sure how/if this should be fixed in FreeBSD, but that is the cause of the error. -- David Cross UNIX Systems Administator GE Corporate R&D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:50:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20782 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pat.idi.ntnu.no (0@pat.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.103.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20667 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no) Received: from idi.ntnu.no (tegge@presis.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.111.173]) by pat.idi.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19740; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:41:20 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802170041.BAA19740@pat.idi.ntnu.no> To: mike@smith.net.au Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:58:17 -0800" References: <199802162358.PAA08389@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:41:20 +0100 From: Tor Egge Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Would this mean that in "normal" use, attempting to execute something > off an MFS would also cause problems? Yes. A lot of swapping and a highly fragmented file system on MFS should help provoking this problem. I've not tested this change when mfs uses a file image (i.e. the -F option to mount_mfs). > Thanks for the fix; it looks as though I was, indeed, chasing yet > another wrong (but oddly functional) answer to the problem. I owe you > a beer. I assume you are going to commit this and check whether 2.2.5-STABLE should have a similar change. Would a Diet Coke or a Pepsi Max be acceptable instead of a beer ? - Tor Egge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 16:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21255 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:53:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21179 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08610; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:50:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802170050.QAA08610@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tor Egge cc: mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:41:20 +0100." <199802170041.BAA19740@pat.idi.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:50:16 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Would this mean that in "normal" use, attempting to execute something > > off an MFS would also cause problems? > > Yes. A lot of swapping and a highly fragmented file system on MFS should help > provoking this problem. Ok. Sounds like a must-have fix then. How can we encourage you to pursue more of these interesting issues? Resources? Incentives? Effusive thanks? > > Thanks for the fix; it looks as though I was, indeed, chasing yet > > another wrong (but oddly functional) answer to the problem. I owe you > > a beer. > > I assume you are going to commit this and check whether 2.2.5-STABLE > should have a similar change. I've committed it to -current; I was going to ask if it was required in -stable (ie. is this a fundamental problem, or just one that's arisen out of changes to -current?) > Would a Diet Coke or a Pepsi Max be acceptable instead of a beer ? Select an excessive number of beverages of your choice. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 17:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23470 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23232 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:01:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25073; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:55:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd025060; Mon Feb 16 17:55:19 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28812; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:55:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802170055.RAA28812@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:55:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no, mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802162358.PAA08389@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Feb 16, 98 03:58:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [... explanation ...] > > It is not obvious to me how using the DISABLE_PSE option fixes this > > problem. > > Nor to me. At that point I was happy that it resolved the immediate > issue. I originated the DISABLE_PSE fix. It works because there is a spanning page mapping which takes place for an image when PSE is enabled. The mapping reverts to the old vn pager code (and call VOP_READ). All I could see from the backtrace without a system in hand was that the pager was puking. Clearly to get to the point where it could panic, the first set of pages containing the panic code, among other things, must have been loaded. I surmised (correctly, it seems) that the first non-kernel 4M mapping, which is where the init program would run, was failing. The initial kernel/MFS mapping was implemented in the kernel startup, and so could not be at fault. Unlike Tor, I didn't track this down to the missing vop_getpages; I just noted that it was possible to revert the pager behaviour by disabling the extension. I didn't know whether Mike was right about the mapping being damaged, or not, only that I could revert the behaviour with DISABLE_PSE. In any case, Tor made a very good catch; a fix is always better than a workaround. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 17:16:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26475 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:16:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pat.idi.ntnu.no (0@pat.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.103.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26443 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:16:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no) Received: from idi.ntnu.no (tegge@presis.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.111.173]) by pat.idi.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21240; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:15:33 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802170115.CAA21240@pat.idi.ntnu.no> To: mike@smith.net.au Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:50:16 -0800" References: <199802170050.QAA08610@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:15:33 +0100 From: Tor Egge Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How can we encourage you to pursue more of these interesting issues? > Resources? Incentives? Effusive thanks? After I've completed my Ph.D. thesis, I might tell you. > I've committed it to -current; I was going to ask if it was required > in -stable (ie. is this a fundamental problem, or just one that's > arisen out of changes to -current?) I believe -stable has the same problem (ffs_getpages calls calls VOP_GETPAGES, mfs doesn't implement VOP_GETPAGES). This is based upon looking through the source code, I've not actually triggered the problem in -stable. - Tor Egge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 17:22:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27571 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (207-172-239-183.s56.as7.rkv.erols.com [207.172.239.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27381 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:21:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00732; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:23:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.ChrisBowman.com: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" To: Alfred Perlstein cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: supported SCSI cards? In-Reply-To: <00e201bd3b0f$5b08e620$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >Well after Jordan laughed at me on IRC about my SCSI+SB16 i decided i should >get a real scsi card, amazingly the prices on adaptec 2940UW's are REALLY >low, (well for scsi) however some people were telling me to go with NCR as i >could save myself about 50$ (adaptec is 150+shipping/tax, while NCR is about >100$) > >Well i was looking in the LINT kernel and there is no mention of specific >chipsets or anything, can anyone recommend a NCR card that works well with >FreeBSD and is on par with the adaptec 2940UW? (pci of course) > >thank you, >-Alfred > >btw, i LOVE 3.0, just did the upgrade last night, it's great i woulda never >known it would go so smoothly. I don't know of "on par with the adaptec 2940UW" but the SYM 53c875 is the "NCR" chip (actually symbios logic as NCR doesn't make these chips any more) that is roughly equivalent to the adaptec part. I have a Tekram 390F with this chip on board that has worked flawlessly for me for abaout a year now. This is supported by FreeBSD and just works. I haven't used the adaptecs, so I can't compare, but I have no complaints. about $125 from www.cmpexpress.com --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com My home page To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 17:41:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02308 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02290 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:41:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12947; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd012898; Mon Feb 16 18:41:11 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02046; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:41:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802170141.SAA02046@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:41:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802170055.RAA28812@usr06.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Feb 17, 98 00:55:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > [... explanation ...] > > > It is not obvious to me how using the DISABLE_PSE option fixes this > > > problem. > > > > Nor to me. At that point I was happy that it resolved the immediate > > issue. > > I originated the DISABLE_PSE fix. Accodrding to Mike Smith, Poul-Henning Kamp brought up the possibility of using DISABLE_PSE before I did. For the record, I was unaware that DISABLE_PSE had been mentioned when I suggested that it be used, and recommended it as a workaround only after Mike Smith had pointed out that the problem only affected machines with PSE capabilities. If Mike is right (I'm assuming he is, no big deal) then the DISABLE_PSE fix should be credited to PHK. In any case, Tor is still the hero. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 17:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03833 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:54:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03792 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:54:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29974; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:53:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802170153.RAA29974@implode.root.com> To: Brandon Gillespie cc: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Networking Oddity, 16k/sec over 10B2, long pauses. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:51:09 MST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:53:14 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >We have a 10B2 network. It was getting a little large, so we installed an >Asante 10B2 hub. Before the hub installed I could get great transfer >rates. Now, I get 16k/sec transfer rates (via ftp). When I turn on >hashing in ftp I see it download a chunk, then wait, then download a >chunk, then wait. The waits are usually a second long. I am also seeing >a collision light on the hub. I'm wondering if this pause is FreeBSD >collecting its marbles after a collision; and what could possibly be >causing the collision in the first place. *Nothing* was changed on the >network (or nodes on the network) other than installing the hub and >splitting into segments. Also, this problem only appears with FreeBSD >boxes--ftping from a powermac over the hub to a Digial Unix box gets >decent transfer rates. Sounds like a cabling problem of some kind. The operating system doesn't control the collision behavior - that is done in hardware on the card. The delays you're seeing are packet drops. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 17:56:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04221 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04176 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05750; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd005706; Mon Feb 16 18:56:10 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02873; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:56:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802170156.SAA02873@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no (Tor Egge) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:56:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802170115.CAA21240@pat.idi.ntnu.no> from "Tor Egge" at Feb 17, 98 02:15:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I've committed it to -current; I was going to ask if it was required > > in -stable (ie. is this a fundamental problem, or just one that's > > arisen out of changes to -current?) > > I believe -stable has the same problem (ffs_getpages calls calls VOP_GETPAGES, > mfs doesn't implement VOP_GETPAGES). This is based upon looking through > the source code, I've not actually triggered the problem in -stable. The problem was, I think, mainfested by the changes to kern_exec.c which were applied to -current only, and not to -stable. I believe -stable still uses the vn_rdwr (without the necessary call to LEASE_CHECK, of course, the better to break NFS...). In normal operation, this problem should never manifest in -stable. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 17:59:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04968 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04953 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id BAA13959; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:58:08 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:58:08 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: nik@iii.co.uk cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-Reply-To: <19980216123600.07912@iii.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a machine back on current now and recent discussions with Eivind steered me to mutt which I'm testing on that box. I use Pine and procmail, but I'm moving to mutt and procmail. Mutt is lightweight, very customizable, and does threading. I could remap keys to be more like Pine, but I'm just going to unlearn them and remap the keys to be more like vi. You can also set it up to make the headers editable by putting "set edit_hdrs" in your .muttrc. Regards, Mike Hancock On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > > However, I have a number of different contact addresses, and want to > > retain the individuality of these, ie. mail to one should be answered > > as thought it had come from that one, rather than having everything > > effectively forwarded to a single mailbox. > > I'd use (in fact, I use something close to) the following: > > 1. Route mail to all your addresses to one account using sendmail > aliases (or similar). > > 2. Run procmail to split the messages out in to seperate mailbox > files (folders) depending on the address the message was originally > to. > > 3. Run xbuffy to keep an eye on incoming messages to each folder. > > 4. Run mutt as your mail client. Mutt's configuration allows you to > define 'folder-hooks', commands that are run whenever mutt loads a > particular mail folder. > > Configure each folder-hook to alter your 'From' address based on > the folder. You could also do other things, like select a specific > signature, and so on. > > 5. Either: > > 1. Run a single copy of mutt, and use the 'change folder' command > to select between different folders. > > 2. Put entries on your X window manager (or similar) to run mutt > with the -f parameter to select a specific mail folder. > > N > -- > --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- > . . . and relax -- michaelh@cet.co.jp http://www.cet.co.jp CET Inc., Daiichi Kasuya BLDG 8F, 2-5-12 Higashi Shinbashi, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105 Japan Tel: +81-3-3437-1761 Fax: +81-3-3437-1766 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 18:08:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05982 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05919 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:07:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24505; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:07:42 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:07:42 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: brenda@thereef.com.au Subject: Weird problem with perl5.004 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a weird problem under FreeBSD 2.2-980123-SNAP, with perl5. I have a feeling that it must be something to do with resource limits, but I can't figure out what. The program quoted below has two sections, which do the same thing, one using glob() and the other using readdir(). Both sections work fine when run as root, but only readdir() works as a normal user. I've tried increasing various limits of the normal user, to no avail. Any ideas, please? #!/usr/local/bin/perl5.004_04 $filedir = "/home/ftp/pub/"; print "------- Using glob() -----------\n"; @files = glob("$filedir*"); print "There are $#files files\n"; foreach $filename (@files) { $filename =~ s/^\/.*\///; print "$filename\n"; } print "----- Using readdir() -----------\n"; opendir(D, "$filedir"); @files = readdir(D); print "There are $#files files\n"; closedir(D); foreach $filename (@files) { $size = -s $filename; $filename =~ s/^\/.*\///; print "> $filename\n"; } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 18:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07955 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:22:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07771 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id CAA14168; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:19:50 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:19:50 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Tor Egge cc: mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-Reply-To: <199802170115.CAA21240@pat.idi.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Tor Egge wrote: > > How can we encourage you to pursue more of these interesting issues? > > Resources? Incentives? Effusive thanks? > > After I've completed my Ph.D. thesis, I might tell you. > > > I've committed it to -current; I was going to ask if it was required > > in -stable (ie. is this a fundamental problem, or just one that's > > arisen out of changes to -current?) > > I believe -stable has the same problem (ffs_getpages calls calls VOP_GETPAGES, > mfs doesn't implement VOP_GETPAGES). This is based upon looking through > the source code, I've not actually triggered the problem in -stable. > > - Tor Egge Somehow, this still seems to be a work-around to me. We shouldn't panic because mfs doesn't implement VOP_GETPAGES. Unfortunately, I can't think of a fix that isn't ugly. Mike Hancock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 19:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18841 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:44:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18721 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:43:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28266; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802170023.QAA28266@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Daniel J. O'Connor" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GL Quake In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:47:16 +1030." <199802170017.KAA01546@holly.dons.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:23:35 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps, some one from the hackers's mailing can help you . Well, lets give them a try 8) Cheers, Amancio > > > I don't really have any more plans on hacking on svgalib . You are > > welcome to hack on it. > Damn! So much for someone else solving my problem =) > Do you think I'm on the right track tho? I am just thinking that an IOCTL > which does what svgalib does when it shuts down would be good, then you could > have a program which retuned your VT into sanity FM.. > (AFAIK its still in raw mode, as it displays fine when I use watch on it :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | > |http://www.gsoft.com.au | > |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| > |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 22:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14096 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:53:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13998; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:53:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA06341; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:53:26 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:53:26 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: "Andrew N. Edmond (Nero)" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Kenneth Merry , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 7895: cam-boot - thanks! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Andrew N. Edmond (Nero) wrote: > boot.flp has the aha0 SCSI driver on it only, right - so I need a > supported chipset (say the 2940UW) to do the install, and then I can copy > over the new kernel and remove the 2940UW and replace with the 7895's I > got? Is this essentially correct? No. The aha0 driver sits already on top of the new CAM code - there is no old SCSI code on this floppy. So you can fire off the boot.flp right with your 7895 - that was my main purpose in making this floppy, since I own a motherboard with 7895 built in, so that replacing the controller wasn't option for me :-) > Or are the CAM drivers on the boot > floppy itself? Yes. Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 23:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17314 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:03:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-51.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17294 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:03:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id XAA03396; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:03:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:03:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802170703.XAA03396@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I use emacs/rmail and pop all my mail from various accounts (most notably freebsd.org and cs.berkeley.edu). I just hacked together the following. The code is quite ugly as I just patched it together from various functions (rmail-message-regexp-p, rmail-reply, rmail-output-to-rmail-file), but it seems to work ok. The idea here is that you define a list of (regexp address) pairs in rmail-from-alist, and it will take the address from the first regexp that matches. My sample will match a string in any part of the header but you can further delimit things by using strings like "Sender:.*owner-@freebsd\\.org" to detect mailing list mails, etc. Satoshi ------- (setq rmail-from-alist (list '("freebsd\\.org" "asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami)") '("cvs commit" "asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami)") '("." "asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami)") )) (defun rmail-reply-with-from (just-sender) "Reply to the current message. Normally include CC: to all other recipients of original message; prefix argument means ignore them. While composing the reply, use \\[mail-yank-original] to yank the original message into it." (interactive "P") (if (and (boundp 'rmail-from-alist) (setq me (let (answer (tail rmail-from-alist)) (while (and tail (not answer)) (if (save-excursion (save-restriction (widen) (goto-char (rmail-msgbeg rmail-current-message)) (let ((end (save-excursion (search-forward "*** EOOH ***" (point-max)) (point)))) (re-search-forward (car (car tail)) end t)))) (setq answer (car (cdr (car tail))))) (setq tail (cdr tail))) answer))) (let ((mail-default-headers (concat "From: " me "\n"))) (rmail-reply just-sender)) (rmail-reply just-sender))) (defun rmail-summary-reply-with-from (just-sender) "Reply to the current message. Normally include CC: to all other recipients of original message; prefix argument means ignore them. While composing the reply, use \\[mail-yank-original] to yank the original message into it." (interactive "P") (set-buffer rmail-buffer) (rmail-reply-with-from just-sender) (use-local-map (copy-keymap (current-local-map))) (define-key (current-local-map) "\C-c\C-c" 'rmail-summary-send-and-exit)) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 23:24:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24005 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:24:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA23971; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:24:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13416; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:25:18 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:25:18 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: "Andrew N. Edmond" , jkh@time.cdrom.com, gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Adaptec 7895 (again)... In-Reply-To: <199802162042.NAA00329@panzer.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > Well, to make boot floppies you generally have to make a release. > That is a major pain. [snip] This is only partially true :-) : yes, making release is a pain (space and time-wise); and no, you can make the boot.flp by hand if you know what to do. > > Check out: > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/cam-boot.tgz > > It is a CAM boot floppy, probably made from our latest released CAM > snapshot. (back in early January) This archive contains also the second image, which contains GENERIC kernel with CAM, but without MFS. It also contains necessary programs (cp, rm, mount....) to bootstrap this kernel in place of generic GENERIC :-), which was put in /kernel during installation (and which doesn't support 7895). BTW. I recall that someone (jkh?) mentioned at that time that there was going to be a next snapshot of the CAM code RSN. If it's true, and if I can grab it, I'll be happy to prepare newer version of cam-boot.flp. Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 23:31:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25188 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:31:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thunderdome.plutotech.com (root@thunderdome.plutotech.com [206.168.67.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25171; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by thunderdome.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14411; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA04601; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:30:57 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199802170730.AAA04601@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: The Adaptec 7895 (again)... In-Reply-To: from Andrzej Bialecki at "Feb 17, 98 08:25:18 am" To: abial@nask.pl (Andrzej Bialecki) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:30:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: ken@plutotech.com, edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote... > On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > > Well, to make boot floppies you generally have to make a release. > > That is a major pain. > [snip] > > This is only partially true :-) : yes, making release is a pain (space and > time-wise); and no, you can make the boot.flp by hand if you know what to > do. Cool. I've looked into making a boot floppy by itself before, but I never had enough incentive to do it. It's always been easier to just do a make release or yank the disk from the machine in question and put it in another machine. :) > BTW. I recall that someone (jkh?) mentioned at that time that there was > going to be a next snapshot of the CAM code RSN. If it's true, and if I > can grab it, I'll be happy to prepare newer version of cam-boot.flp. Yeah, we'll probably make another snapshot soon. There are some things that need to get done before that happens, though. (7890 support, and I would like to get my CD changer code in as well. I'm not sure if I'll have time to finish the changer stuff, though.) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 16 23:58:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28215 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from konig.elte.hu (konig.elte.hu [157.181.6.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28174 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sebesty@cs.elte.hu) Received: from neumann.cs.elte.hu (neumann [157.181.6.200]) by konig.elte.hu (8.8.8/8.8.8/3s) with ESMTP id IAA09027; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:58:41 +0100 Received: from localhost (sebesty@localhost) by neumann.cs.elte.hu (8.8.8/8.8.8/1c) with SMTP id IAA00352; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:57:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: neumann.cs.elte.hu: sebesty owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:57:41 +0100 (MET) From: Zoltan Sebestyen To: DAN ONTANU cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IOMEGA's zip driver. In-Reply-To: <009C1EA4.E4906340.56@roearn.ici.ro> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What kind of Zip drive have you got? BTW, I think that FBSD's SCSI driver behaves badly. I've got my ZIP drive on an Adaptec 1502 and the drive sometimes gets mad, but when I change to NT, it behaves normally again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sebestyen Zoltan It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up. szoli@digo.inf..elte.hu But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid? MAKE INSTALL NOT WAR And please avoid Necrosoft Widows To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 00:30:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04931 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isvara.net (root@[130.88.148.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04896 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:30:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@challenge.isvara.net) Received: from challenge.isvara.net ([130.88.66.5]) by isvara.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04086 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:29:50 GMT Message-ID: <34E94A7C.A961DB0A@challenge.isvara.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:29:48 +0000 From: freebsd@isvara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Networking Oddity, 16k/sec over 10B2, long pauses. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yo Brandon, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > We have a 10B2 network. It was getting a little large, so we installed an > Asante 10B2 hub. Before the hub installed I could get great transfer > rates. Now, I get 16k/sec transfer rates (via ftp). When I turn on > hashing in ftp I see it download a chunk, then wait, then download a > chunk, then wait. The waits are usually a second long. I am also seeing > a collision light on the hub. I'm wondering if this pause is FreeBSD > collecting its marbles after a collision; and what could possibly be > causing the collision in the first place. *Nothing* was changed on the > network (or nodes on the network) other than installing the hub and > splitting into segments. Also, this problem only appears with FreeBSD > boxes--ftping from a powermac over the hub to a Digial Unix box gets > decent transfer rates. I just thought it could be that FreeBSD sets the NIC in full-duplex mode, which would cause it to exhibit these problems. Only 10b2 doesn't support full-duplex anyway! Silly me! Dan _____________________________________ Daniel J Blueman BSc Computation, UMIST, Manchester Email: blue@challenge.isvara.net Web: http://www.challenge.isvara.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 00:48:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07623 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:48:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07590; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03137; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:43:14 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34E81835.575C6296@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:43:06 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Nordier CC: rssh@grad.kiev.ua, hsu@idiom.com, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: TenDRA C/C++ compiler (fwd) References: <199802162204.AAA04038@eac.iafrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert Nordier wrote: > Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > > ? Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > ? > ? ? Anyone feel up to a new compiler port? > ? ? > ? > ? Just ported it to SCO Open Server (it's differs from SCO 3 for TenDRA). > ? > ? [ ...] > > I have been using it on a FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE box here for the last two > days. I haven't checked the C++ side of things, but as a C compiler it's > impressive. > > ? In principle, porting is not very hard, but few aspects: > ? 1. tcc is POSIX ISO compiler. > ? it mean, that we must modify our includes (i.e. /usr/include/*) > ? to be ISO compliant in case __TCC__, and correct handle some > ? TenDRA specific stuff. > ? or write specific includes for TCC ( which, in generally, very bad) > ? So, if we want to create command for tcc porting, We must have something > ? with commit privelegies. > > Actually, no. One of the main design features of TenDRA is that you > *don't* have to modify system headers (you modify API definitions > instead). This means you can write (say) SVID3 programs, even if your > libraries aren't particularly SVID compatible. (I just compiled a > whole bunch of UNIX95 API programs, even though FreeBSD's UNIX95 API > support is rather limited.) > Problem not in API, but in language: 1. wchar_t must not be defined when we use headers in __cplusplus mode by TenDRA. (on SCO_SV it was the main problem) 2. The same with bool 3. all variables must have linked type. 4. empty blocks in C++ {}; now is illegal, I'm not shure, is our _BEGIN_DECL and _END_DECL do the correct things. > My impression is that the TenDRA compiler is a really important addition > to free software, and deserves a lot of attention from anyone interested > in portability across UNIX systems, or in the various ANSI/ISO, POSIX, > XPG standards ... or just in a very solid, non-GPLed compiler. > Yes. > -- > Robert Nordier > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 01:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13994 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13985 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:25:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toshok@netscape.com) Received: from dredd.mcom.com (dredd.mcom.com [205.217.237.54]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28578 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.243.66]) by dredd.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA713E; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:24:33 -0800 Message-ID: <34E9574A.F0726589@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:24:26 -0800 From: Chris Toshok X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another problem with debugging the navigator on FreeBSD2.2-STABLE References: <34E3CE26.880FC190@netscape.com> <19980214112105.05348@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Thu, 12 February 1998 at 20:37:58 -0800, Chris Toshok wrote: > > So, I've gotten around my complete inability to even *run* gdb on the > > navigator, but now I've got another problem: When I hit a breakpoint > > and try to either step or continue, I see: > > > > (gdb) c > > Continuing. > > > > Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. > > foo_nsFunction (foo=0x0) at foofile.c:192 > > (gdb) > > > > The problem is, the breakpoint is at the same place at which the program > > just stopped. The only way to get past this breakpoint is to disable > > the breakpoint and continue. Disabling the breakpoing and stepping > > doesn't work. > > It should do. Are you sure that this is the real problem? > > > It's getting pretty frustrating, trying to debug a large amount of code > > by setting breakpoints at just about every line of a function and > > disabling one and then enabling another. > > > > Anyone got an idea what could be causing this? Debugging other > > programs works fine. I would imagine that the size of the program > > and it's shared libraries is part of the problem, but what can I do > > to fix it? > > Good question. Can you give me a binary to look at? > Heh :) Thanks for the offer, but I actually found the problem shortly after I sent the original mail. Turns out the the netscape thread library uses SIGALRM for some accounting stuff. All that was required was 'handle SIGALRM nopass'. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 02:46:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23666 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:46:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23659 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:46:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04658 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:46:26 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA13711; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:46:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217114623.18048@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:46:23 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ed overwrite clue? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This might be a clue for the strange ED overwrites (or it might be something completely unrelated :-) I'm getting panic()s from if_ed.c overwriting strange locations from /* get pointer to this buffer's header structure */ packet_ptr = sc->mem_ring + (sc->next_packet - sc->rec_page_start) * ED_PAGE_SIZE; /* * The byte count includes a 4 byte header that was added by * the NIC. */ if (sc->mem_shared) packet_hdr = *(struct ed_ring *) packet_ptr; else HERE--> ed_pio_readmem(sc, (int)packet_ptr, (char *) &packet_hdr, sizeof(packet_hdr)); len = packet_hdr.count; if (len > (ETHER_MAX_LEN - ETHER_CRC_LEN + sizeof(struct ed_ring)) || len < (ETHER_MIN_LEN - ETHER_CRC_LEN + sizeof(struct ed_ring))) { /* * Length is a wild value. There's a good chance that The backtrace look like this (don't mind the line-numbers - they're from something that is somewhat like a merge between -current now and RELENG_2_2_2_RELEASE). diablo(root)/intercom/var/crash# gdb -k /intercom/kernel.debug vmcore.0 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc... IdlePTD 202000 current pcb at 1e5c80 panic: general protection fault #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:243 243 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:243 #1 0xf0114922 in panic (fmt=0xf01ad315 "general protection fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:367 #2 0xf01ade66 in trap_fatal (frame=0xefbfff28) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:742 #3 0xf01ad716 in trap (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -272629824, tf_esi = 553, tf_ebp = -272629884, tf_isp = -272629936, tf_ebx = -266415104, tf_edx = 560, tf_ecx = 2, tf_eax = 2, tf_trapno = 9, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266652498, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 65538, tf_esp = 551, tf_ss = -266415104}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:440 #4 0xf01b34ae in ed_pio_readmem (sc=0xf01ed400, src=25088, dst=0xefbfffc0 "'", amount=4) at machine/cpufunc.h:185 #5 0xf01b2e17 in edintr_sc (sc=0xf01ed400) at ../../i386/isa/if_ed.c:2284 #6 0xf01b2fda in edintr (unit=0) at ../../i386/isa/if_ed.c:2619 #7 0xf01a6047 in Xfastintr5 () #8 0x1b40 in ?? () #9 0x1095 in ?? () (kgdb) and the actual panic() is here diablo(root)/intercom/var/crash# gdb -k /intercom/kernel.debug vmcore.0 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc... IdlePTD 202000 current pcb at 1e5c80 panic: general protection fault #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:243 243 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:243 #1 0xf0114922 in panic (fmt=0xf01ad315 "general protection fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:367 #2 0xf01ade66 in trap_fatal (frame=0xefbfff28) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:742 #3 0xf01ad716 in trap (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -272629824, tf_esi = 553, tf_ebp = -272629884, tf_isp = -272629936, tf_ebx = -266415104, tf_edx = 560, tf_ecx = 2, tf_eax = 2, tf_trapno = 9, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266652498, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 65538, tf_esp = 551, tf_ss = -266415104}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:440 #4 0xf01b34ae in ed_pio_readmem (sc=0xf01ed400, src=25088, dst=0xefbfffc0 "'", amount=4) at machine/cpufunc.h:185 #5 0xf01b2e17 in edintr_sc (sc=0xf01ed400) at ../../i386/isa/if_ed.c:2284 #6 0xf01b2fda in edintr (unit=0) at ../../i386/isa/if_ed.c:2619 #7 0xf01a6047 in Xfastintr5 () #8 0x1b40 in ?? () #9 0x1095 in ?? () (kgdb) and I can reproduce at will. I haven't looked too closely yet, but just thought I'd throw out the relevant info at once. (It's on a modified RELENG_2_2_2_RELEASE with a PnP ed0 and running ipfw; I don't think more of the info is really relevant. Nothing that looks relevant has changed in if_ed.c from the version I have to -current). I'll be working on this in the coming hours. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28691 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:11:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28686 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:11:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01377; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:10:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171110.DAA01377@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:46:23 +0100." <19980217114623.18048@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:10:43 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This might be a clue for the strange ED overwrites (or it might be > something completely unrelated :-) It looks kinda interesting, at any rate: > I'm getting panic()s from if_ed.c overwriting strange locations from > > > /* get pointer to this buffer's header structure */ > packet_ptr = sc->mem_ring + > (sc->next_packet - sc->rec_page_start) * ED_PAGE_SIZE; > > /* > * The byte count includes a 4 byte header that was added by > * the NIC. > */ > if (sc->mem_shared) > packet_hdr = *(struct ed_ring *) packet_ptr; > else > HERE--> ed_pio_readmem(sc, (int)packet_ptr, (char *) &packet_hdr, > sizeof(packet_hdr)); Weird. The destination should be on the stack - are you comfortable that you haven't overrun the end of the stack? > #4 0xf01b34ae in ed_pio_readmem (sc=0xf01ed400, src=25088, > dst=0xefbfffc0 "'", amount=4) at machine/cpufunc.h:185 In my copy of cpufunc.h, line 185 is insb(). Is this an 8-bit card? (Don't let my questions distract you, I'm just curious...) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28795 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28786 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:11:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01295; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:56:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171056.CAA01295@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Zoltan Sebestyen cc: DAN ONTANU , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IOMEGA's zip driver. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:57:41 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:56:37 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > BTW, I think that FBSD's SCSI driver behaves badly. I've got my ZIP drive > on an Adaptec 1502 and the drive sometimes gets mad, but when I change to > NT, it behaves normally again. You should perhaps try to be a little more accurate here. The 'aic' driver, which is just *one* of the SCSI adapter drivers included with FreeBSD, is known to suffer from serious problems. Other drivers don't behave like this. Please try to avoid spreading misinformation, as it makes our job a lot harder. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01085 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01076 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:21:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01450; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:19:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171119.DAA01450@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no (Tor Egge), mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:56:07 GMT." <199802170156.SAA02873@usr04.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:19:03 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I believe -stable still uses the vn_rdwr (without the necessary call > to LEASE_CHECK, of course, the better to break NFS...). In normal > operation, this problem should never manifest in -stable. Can we have a confirmation on this, please? Tor says he's checked the source and -stable is vulnerable; you say that you don't think it is. What's reality look like? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:25:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01845 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com (dub-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01813 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 76350.1227@compuserve.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id GAA27508 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:24:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:20:15 -0500 From: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> Subject: Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI with 18c30 chip - rocker switches To: tech_help_drivers Message-ID: <199802170620_MC2-339C-9578@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="e3b45a02-a787-11d1-9d7d-00805fea3c3d" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a MIME-encapsulated message --e3b45a02-a787-11d1-9d7d-00805fea3c3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline CLEANED UP TABLE GRAPHICS AND RE-SENT. TEXT FILE ATTACHMENT =3D SWITCHES.TXT SORRY FIRST COPY WAS NOT READABLE. >I am including below the rocker switch info for the new style >Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI cards. The old style cards >are illustrated on the Adaptec web site. The new cards use the >18c30 chip, which is compatible with the 18c50/18cXX family of >chips used in all the Future Domain TMC-16XX SCSI cards. >I have also included the same info as an attachment. >Hope this helps. Bruce Vandiver 76350.1227@compuserve.com SWITCH SETTINGS FOR FUTURE DOMAIN TMC-1680 SCSI CARD WITH 18C30 CHIP AND ROCKER SWITCHES TO SET HARDWARE (NOTE - FLOPPY NOT AVAILABLE ON ALL CARDS) THIS TABLE USES ANSI GRAPHICS AND EXTENDED CHARACTER SET = ** INDICATES DEFAULT SELECTION ################################################################# # # # #IRQ-0#IRQ-1#IRQ-2#IO-0 #IO-1 # # #FLOPPY#MEM0#MEM1#ISEL0#ISEL1#ISEL2#IOSEL0#IOSEL1# FUNCTION # ################################################################# # OFF # # # # # # # #FLOP DISABLE # ################################################################# # ON # # # # # # # #FLOP ENABLE **# ################################################################# # #OFF #OFF # # # # # #MEM=3D C800 # ################################################################# # #ON #OFF # # # # # #MEM=3D CA00 **# ################################################################# # #OFF #ON # # # # # #MEM=3D CE00 # ################################################################# # #ON #ON # # # # # #MEM=3D DE00 # ################################################################# # # # #OFF #OFF #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 3 # ################################################################# # # # #ON #OFF #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 5 # ################################################################# # # # #OFF #ON #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 10 # ################################################################# # # # #ON #ON #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 11 **# ################################################################# # # # #OFF #OFF #ON # # #IRQ DISABLED # ################################################################# # # # #ON #OFF #ON # # #IRQ=3D 14 # ################################################################# # # # #OFF #ON #ON # # #IRQ=3D 15 # ################################################################# # # # #ON #ON #ON # # #IRQ DISABLED # ################################################################# # # # # # # #OFF #OFF #IO=3D 140 **# ################################################################# # # # # # # #ON #OFF #IO=3D 150 # ################################################################# # # # # # # #OFF #ON #IO=3D 160 # ################################################################# # # # # # # #ON #ON #IO=3D 170 # ################################################################# End of Table.= --e3b45a02-a787-11d1-9d7d-00805fea3c3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="SWITCHES.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="SWITCHES.TXT" =0D SWITCH SETTINGS FOR FUTURE DOMAIN TMC-1680 SCSI CARD=0D WITH 18C30 CHIP AND ROCKER SWITCHES TO SET HARDWARE=0D (NOTE - FLOPPY NOT AVAILABLE ON ALL CARDS)=0D THIS TABLE USES ANSI GRAPHICS AND EXTENDED CHARACTER SET =0D =0D ** INDICATES DEFAULT SELECTION=0D =C9=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=BB=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAIRQ-0=BAIRQ-1=BAIRQ-2=BAIO-0 =BAIO-1 =BA = =BA=0D =BAFLOPPY=BAMEM0=BAMEM1=BAISEL0=BAISEL1=BAISEL2=BAIOSEL0=BAIOSEL1=BA FUNC= TION =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9 =0D =BA OFF =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAFLOP = DISABLE =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA ON =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAFLOP = ENABLE **=BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BAOFF =BAOFF =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAMEM=3D= C800 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BAON =BAOFF =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAMEM=3D= CA00 **=BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BAOFF =BAON =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAMEM=3D= CE00 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BAON =BAON =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAMEM=3D= DE00 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAOFF =BAOFF =BAOFF =BA =BA =BAIRQ=3D= 3 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAON =BAOFF =BAOFF =BA =BA =BAIRQ=3D= 5 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAOFF =BAON =BAOFF =BA =BA =BAIRQ=3D= 10 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAON =BAON =BAOFF =BA =BA =BAIRQ=3D= 11 **=BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAOFF =BAOFF =BAON =BA =BA =BAIRQ D= ISABLED =BA =0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAON =BAOFF =BAON =BA =BA =BAIRQ=3D= 14 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAOFF =BAON =BAON =BA =BA =BAIRQ=3D= 15 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAON =BAON =BAON =BA =BA =BAIRQ D= ISABLED =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAOFF =BAOFF =BAIO=3D= 140 **=BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAON =BAOFF =BAIO=3D= 150 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAOFF =BAON =BAIO=3D= 160 =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAON =BAON =BAIO=3D= 170 =BA=0D =C8=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=BC=0D =0D =0D --e3b45a02-a787-11d1-9d7d-00805fea3c3d-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02295 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02282 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:26:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 76350.1227@compuserve.com) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id GAA10551 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:26:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:25:48 -0500 From: Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> Subject: Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI with 18c30 chip - rocker switches To: tech_help_drivers Message-ID: <199802170626_MC2-339C-95E9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="25b6f1b5-a782-11d1-aaee-00805fea3ca9" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a MIME-encapsulated message --25b6f1b5-a782-11d1-aaee-00805fea3ca9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline CLEANED UP TABLE GRAPHICS AND RE-SENT. TEXT FILE ATTACHMENT =3D SWITCHES.TXT SORRY FIRST COPY WAS NOT READABLE. >I am including below the rocker switch info for the new style >Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI cards. The old style cards >are illustrated on the Adaptec web site. The new cards use the >18c30 chip, which is compatible with the 18c50/18cXX family of >chips used in all the Future Domain TMC-16XX SCSI cards. >I have also included the same info as an attachment. >Hope this helps. Bruce Vandiver 76350.1227@compuserve.com SWITCH SETTINGS FOR FUTURE DOMAIN TMC-1680 SCSI CARD WITH 18C30 CHIP AND ROCKER SWITCHES TO SET HARDWARE (NOTE - FLOPPY NOT AVAILABLE ON ALL CARDS) THIS TABLE USES ANSI GRAPHICS AND EXTENDED CHARACTER SET = ** INDICATES DEFAULT SELECTION ################################################################# # # # #IRQ-0#IRQ-1#IRQ-2#IO-0 #IO-1 # # #FLOPPY#MEM0#MEM1#ISEL0#ISEL1#ISEL2#IOSEL0#IOSEL1# FUNCTION # ################################################################# # OFF # # # # # # # #FLOP DISABLE # ################################################################# # ON # # # # # # # #FLOP ENABLE **# ################################################################# # #OFF #OFF # # # # # #MEM=3D C800 # ################################################################# # #ON #OFF # # # # # #MEM=3D CA00 **# ################################################################# # #OFF #ON # # # # # #MEM=3D CE00 # ################################################################# # #ON #ON # # # # # #MEM=3D DE00 # ################################################################# # # # #OFF #OFF #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 3 # ################################################################# # # # #ON #OFF #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 5 # ################################################################# # # # #OFF #ON #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 10 # ################################################################# # # # #ON #ON #OFF # # #IRQ=3D 11 **# ################################################################# # # # #OFF #OFF #ON # # #IRQ DISABLED # ################################################################# # # # #ON #OFF #ON # # #IRQ=3D 14 # ################################################################# # # # #OFF #ON #ON # # #IRQ=3D 15 # ################################################################# # # # #ON #ON #ON # # #IRQ DISABLED # ################################################################# # # # # # # #OFF #OFF #IO=3D 140 **# ################################################################# # # # # # # #ON #OFF #IO=3D 150 # ################################################################# # # # # # # #OFF #ON #IO=3D 160 # ################################################################# # # # # # # #ON #ON #IO=3D 170 # ################################################################# End of Table.= --25b6f1b5-a782-11d1-aaee-00805fea3ca9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="switches.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="switches.txt" =0D SWITCH SETTINGS FOR FUTURE DOMAIN TMC-1680 SCSI CARD=0D WITH 18C30 CHIP AND ROCKER SWITCHES TO SET HARDWARE=0D (NOTE - FLOPPY NOT AVAILABLE ON ALL CARDS)=0D THIS TABLE USES ANSI GRAPHICS AND EXTENDED CHARACTER SET =0D =0D ** INDICATES DEFAULT SELECTION=0D =C9=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CB= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=BB=0D =BA =BA =BA =BAIRQ-0=BAIRQ-1=BAIRQ-2=BAIO-0 =BAIO-1 =BA = =BA=0D =BAFLOPPY=BAMEM0=BAMEM1=BAISEL0=BAISEL1=BAISEL2=BAIOSEL0=BAIOSEL1=BA FUNC= TION =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9 =0D =BA OFF =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAFLOP = DISABLE =BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA ON =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAFLOP = ENABLE **=BA=0D =CC=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= 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=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CE= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=B9=0D =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BA =BAON =BAON =BAIO=3D= 170 =BA=0D =C8=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CA= =CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=CD=BC=0D =0D =0D --25b6f1b5-a782-11d1-aaee-00805fea3ca9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:29:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03040 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02962 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:29:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05218; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:29:05 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA13938; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:29:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217122904.27594@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:29:04 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? References: <19980217114623.18048@follo.net> <199802171110.DAA01377@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802171110.DAA01377@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:10:43AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:10:43AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > This might be a clue for the strange ED overwrites (or it might be > > something completely unrelated :-) > > It looks kinda interesting, at any rate: [code snippet deleted] > > Weird. The destination should be on the stack - are you comfortable > that you haven't overrun the end of the stack? I'm not certain about anything right now - I started reproducing this about an hour ago. It might even be a hardware failure (but I've tried with different cards of the same type, and all fail, while a Kingston Ne2000-clone works flawlessly). > > #4 0xf01b34ae in ed_pio_readmem (sc=0xf01ed400, src=25088, > > dst=0xefbfffc0 "'", amount=4) at machine/cpufunc.h:185 > > In my copy of cpufunc.h, line 185 is insb(). Is this an 8-bit card? It's a "Thrust" NE2000-clone, based on the RTL8019AS. And in the relevant header file here line 185 is insw(). Eivind, going back to debugging. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03805 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03726 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01586; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:31:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171131.DAA01586@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Philippe Regnauld cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:35:33 +0100." <19980216133533.42366@deepo.prosa.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:31:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA03752 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith writes: > > > > However, I have a number of different contact addresses, and want to > > retain the individuality of these, ie. mail to one should be answered > > as thought it had come from that one, rather than having everything > > effectively forwarded to a single mailbox. > > Questions: > > 1) are the addresses forwarded to you or do you Cw/Fw them to > your host ? I pick them up from my hosts using fetchmail. > 2) should the whole envelope be redone, or just the "From: " ? The desired result is that mail I send from within one "personality" should be formatted such that a legitimate reply by another party will return to that "personality". > Apart from that, a rewriting rule in sendmail might do the trick. > At MUA level, maybe you could do this with Mutt and the hooks. Hmm. Mutt reminds me too much of my old VT100 days. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:38:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04926 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:38:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04839 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07750; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25519; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA25589; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199802171136.DAA25589@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:36:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: Tor Egge "Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem" (Feb 17, 1:41am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Tor Egge , mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Feb 17, 1:41am, Tor Egge wrote: } Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem } > Would this mean that in "normal" use, attempting to execute something } > off an MFS would also cause problems? } } Yes. A lot of swapping and a highly fragmented file system on MFS should help } provoking this problem. Do you think this could explaint the MFS related hangs I've been seeing in 2.1-stable? If I use MFS for /tmp, copy a large file into /tmp, delete the file, then copy it into /tmp again, the machine will hang. It responds to pings. It will also respond to ^T until I try to interrupt a process with ^C. The only way to unhang it is to use the reset button. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 03:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06039 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05967 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01667; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:40:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171140.DAA01667@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:29:04 +0100." <19980217122904.27594@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:40:24 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:10:43AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > This might be a clue for the strange ED overwrites (or it might be > > > something completely unrelated :-) > > > > It looks kinda interesting, at any rate: > > [code snippet deleted] > > > > Weird. The destination should be on the stack - are you comfortable > > that you haven't overrun the end of the stack? > > I'm not certain about anything right now - I started reproducing this > about an hour ago. It might even be a hardware failure (but I've > tried with different cards of the same type, and all fail, while a > Kingston Ne2000-clone works flawlessly). That in particular is kinda odd. What NIC is the Kingston card using? Is it a "real" 8390x, or another clone? > > > #4 0xf01b34ae in ed_pio_readmem (sc=0xf01ed400, src=25088, > > > dst=0xefbfffc0 "'", amount=4) at machine/cpufunc.h:185 > > > > In my copy of cpufunc.h, line 185 is insb(). Is this an 8-bit card? > > It's a "Thrust" NE2000-clone, based on the RTL8019AS. > > And in the relevant header file here line 185 is insw(). Ok, version skew. I have the RTL8019 documentation around here somewhere; it's in an odd format that I didn't get to print (a self-extracting nonstandard-format Windows executable I think). If you're really stuffed let me know and I'll dig it out. One question; the destination of the insw - is that actually a legitimate address? ie. is it on the kernel stack, or somewhere else? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 04:10:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11192 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:10:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11069 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:09:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05862; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:09:57 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA14134; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:09:57 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217130957.45413@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:09:57 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? References: <19980217122904.27594@follo.net> <199802171140.DAA01667@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802171140.DAA01667@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:40:24AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:40:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > I'm not certain about anything right now - I started reproducing this > > about an hour ago. It might even be a hardware failure (but I've > > tried with different cards of the same type, and all fail, while a > > Kingston Ne2000-clone works flawlessly). > > That in particular is kinda odd. What NIC is the Kingston card using? > Is it a "real" 8390x, or another clone? It's another clone. It is marked with Kingston EtheRx LC KTC 8890-AXCM > I have the RTL8019 documentation around here somewhere; it's in an odd > format that I didn't get to print (a self-extracting nonstandard-format > Windows executable I think). If you're really stuffed let me know and > I'll dig it out. Thanks for the offer! (I don't need it yet, but might need it if everything goes west). > One question; the destination of the insw - is that actually a > legitimate address? ie. is it on the kernel stack, or somewhere > else? It looks like the destination is on the kernel stack. The source looks more suspicious - it is at 0x6200... Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 07:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10071 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10062 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21456; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:29:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980217102956.00eb2940@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:29:57 -0500 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org From: dennis Subject: Re: WatchDog Timer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:23 PM 2/16/98 -0800, you wrote: > >On 16-Feb-98 Julian Elischer wrote: >> eh? >> what watchdog? >> we have a hook that is called by the kernel >> when it is doing long uninterrupted operations (e.g. dumping core) >> but it's just a hook. The user needs to supply their own hardware >> watchdog.. (and code to tickle it) >> >> julian > >If there is no driver for such hardware today, I'll write it this week. >This is really not the same as a kernel's internal watchdog. What we are >talking about here is used to build a dead-man switch; In case of O/S >catastrophic failure, this device will reboot the machine, or in the case >of HA/FT, signal to the rest of the ``system'' that a Unix instance just >died. > >I simply do not want to write a driver that was already written. >What is the kernel's hook name/path? Maybe we can merge the two, or at >least relate to each other. As in ``If the kernel is busy with a long, >uninterrupted operation, we automatically mask off the dead-man switch''. We have hardware that will do this, you need a physical device to hard reboot the machine as software reboots are imperfect. We're in semi-production, but dont really push it. 2 of our serial boards also have one integrated on them. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 07:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11619 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11552 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21480; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:35:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980217103616.00fc3490@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:36:17 -0500 To: Brandon Gillespie , FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: dennis Subject: Re: Networking Oddity, 16k/sec over 10B2, long pauses. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:51 PM 2/16/98 -0700, Brandon Gillespie wrote: >We have a 10B2 network. It was getting a little large, so we installed an >Asante 10B2 hub. Before the hub installed I could get great transfer >rates. Now, I get 16k/sec transfer rates (via ftp). When I turn on >hashing in ftp I see it download a chunk, then wait, then download a >chunk, then wait. The waits are usually a second long. I am also seeing >a collision light on the hub. I'm wondering if this pause is FreeBSD >collecting its marbles after a collision; and what could possibly be >causing the collision in the first place. *Nothing* was changed on the >network (or nodes on the network) other than installing the hub and >splitting into segments. Also, this problem only appears with FreeBSD >boxes--ftping from a powermac over the hub to a Digial Unix box gets >decent transfer rates. Its more likely your hub dropping a packet. dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 08:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16762 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:03:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p7.tfs.net [139.146.210.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16748 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:03:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA03982; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:02:58 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199802171602.KAA03982@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: Networking Oddity, 16k/sec over 10B2, long pauses. In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980217103616.00fc3490@etinc.com> from dennis at "Feb 17, 98 10:36:17 am" To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:02:57 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Feb 11 00:51:24 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > At 04:51 PM 2/16/98 -0700, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > >We have a 10B2 network. It was getting a little large, so we installed an > >Asante 10B2 hub. Before the hub installed I could get great transfer > >rates. Now, I get 16k/sec transfer rates (via ftp). When I turn on > >hashing in ftp I see it download a chunk, then wait, then download a > >chunk, then wait. The waits are usually a second long. I am also seeing > >a collision light on the hub. I'm wondering if this pause is FreeBSD > >collecting its marbles after a collision; and what could possibly be > >causing the collision in the first place. *Nothing* was changed on the > >network (or nodes on the network) other than installing the hub and > >splitting into segments. Also, this problem only appears with FreeBSD > >boxes--ftping from a powermac over the hub to a Digial Unix box gets > >decent transfer rates. > > Its more likely your hub dropping a packet. The collision light could also indicate SWR. Check for PROPER termination. Terminating at the tee can cause reflections. Attach a stub [a foot or two of RG-58], and terminate the stub. In 10B2, we are talking about transmission lines, treat them as such. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 09:26:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00607 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhub.NetMan.SE (mail.netman.se [194.52.54.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00574 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:26:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from allard@netman.se) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mailhub.NetMan.SE (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19595 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:52:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown(10.1.7.3) by mailhub.NetMan.SE via smap (V2.0) id xma019593; Tue, 17 Feb 98 17:52:35 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980217174546.007cf530@mailhub.netman.se> X-Sender: allard@mailhub.netman.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:45:46 +0100 To: Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Johan Allard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 09:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00962 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:28:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.jmrodgers.com ([205.247.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00951 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:28:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: from max.jmrodgers.com (max.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.209]) by mail.jmrodgers.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA01193; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:22:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD3B9E.ACEB1140.meuston@jmrodgers.com> From: Max Euston To: "'Tim Vanderhoek'" Cc: "'FreeBSD Hackers'" Subject: RE: Modifications to more(1) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:22:11 -0500 Organization: J.M. Rodgers Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but I actually had a long weekend off! On Thursday, February 12, 1998 5:42 PM, Tim Vanderhoek [SMTP:hoek@hwcn.org] wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Max Euston wrote: > > > this leads me to believe that this option is out-of-date (also > > it does not follow the standard). My question is: should I fix > > the -# option or remove it (my vote is to remove it - see > > below). > > How long has it been broken? If it was broken in the last > release or two, then probably no-one has noticed and it should > just disappear. > Please excuse my ignorance re: CVS, but I have not used it before (used other RCSs, but syntax/usage is different). I will learn more as I start to work with it. I don't know how to check this (i.e. check specific versions of ONE file only - without installing a whole set of files from a distribution). I am running 2.2.5-release and just started to install & build CVSup when my swap space filled during the build - I will have to reconfigure this (or download the pre-built binary; not my first choice). > > > 3) Use the LINES= environment variable (ala vi(1)) to set the screen height > > 4) [totally optional :-]. Handle long lines in the extreme > better. If you have a long file with no \n or \r, and more down > to near the end, then press `k' or `b', it will `k' or `b' > v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y. Hehe. Good luck! :) > Found this - should be simple enought to fix :-) - I will check it out further. > > -- > Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! > tIM...HOEk > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe hackers" in the body of the message Finally (some very basic questions, but I don't have the answers - sorry): If I make changes to existing source code that does NOT follow current FreeBSD style (indents, header files, etc...), is it proper to maintain the style of the existing code or should I use the newer format? (e.g. should I "#include " or "extern char *strcat()")? Should I change the 'sccsid[]' date and/or version number? Thanks, Max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 09:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01615 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:32:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01559 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA13385 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:31:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:31:46 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: egcs and -stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone successfully made world with 2.2.x, using egcs as the compiler? How about built the kernel? Any advice, warnings, caveats, hints, gotchas, pitfalls . . . ? Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 10:13:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14218 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:13:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14067 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:13:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdhack@shadows.aeon.net) Received: (from bsdhack@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id UAA24391 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:13:24 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199802171813.UAA24391@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-Reply-To: <199802140305.UAA05462@ve7tcp.ampr.org> from Lyndon Nerenberg at "Feb 13, 98 08:05:25 pm" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:13:23 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [would've put this into chat but since my re-subscribes seems to fail (after the crash), you people have to tolerate it here, apologies] > Amancio> ports/antiques-games? > If you do that please be sure to bring back the original FORTRAN > source code for adventure :-P how about 'ladder'? ancient cp/m game... last time i saw one was around early 80s. i'd die happy should i get to play it again. mickey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 10:36:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20377 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20298 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA03238; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:24:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:24:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: mika ruohotie Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-Reply-To: <199802171813.UAA24391@shadows.aeon.net> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >how about 'ladder'? ancient cp/m game... last time i saw one was around >early 80s. i'd die happy should i get to play it again. I can get the source for this! I know where to find this! My brother stashed it when it found it in comp.os.sources.dachsund or somewhere. I've played this very game! He ported it to linux, his sources can be found at: http://www.srv.net/~kth/ladder.tar (There was some sort of curses problem that I was unable to sort out in the few minutes I fiddled with it...it worked for me under linux emulation, so I bailed. Go port go! :-) Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 10:36:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20399 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:36:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20299 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no (2602@gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.86]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA00440; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:35:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:35:29 +0100 (MET) To: "Alfred Perlstein" Cc: , Subject: Re: Is it possible? What do I need? References: <00ad01bd3b04$d6faa3a0$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 17 Feb 1998 19:35:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Alfred Perlstein"'s message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:00:59 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Alfred Perlstein" writes: > you will need to burn this boot floppy to a rom chip and put it on the > network cards. and if you don't want to to tear your hair out, i would > suggest a 100mbs setup so swapping over NFS doesn't make you scream.... There is no need to modify your network adapters. hanspb@persbraten.vgs.no may be able to help you set up your server. -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 11:06:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26095 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:06:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from klokan.sh.cvut.cz (root@klokan.sh.cvut.cz [193.84.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26086 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from J.Klaus@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from skunk.sh.cvut.cz (skunk.sh.cvut.cz [194.108.141.194]) by klokan.sh.cvut.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA04544 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:54:01 +0100 Received: from SKUNK/SpoolDir by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 19:54:04 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by SKUNK (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 19:53:42 +0100 Received: from hell.sh.cvut.cz by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31) with ESMTP; 17 Feb 98 19:53:39 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:53:47 +0100 (CET) Organization: CTU Prague From: Jaroslav Klaus To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /etc/rc - nice 10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA26090 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I don't know why my /etc/rc is started with nice 10. I have 2 FBSD 2.2.5 boxes and one of that is OK and second isn't. I can't find differencies (there is probably only little one - only that strange box is upgraded from 2.2.2)>. Jarda PS: In freebsd-questios there is nobody who can explain it. That is why I'm asking you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 11:11:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27386 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27310; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no (2602@gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.86]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA01245; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:41:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:41:58 +0100 (MET) To: Jesse Walters Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Luigi Rizzo's pnp mod References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 17 Feb 1998 19:41:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: Jesse Walters's message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:33:46 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jesse Walters writes: > I am trying to get my awe32 pnp working and I need to install > Rizzo's pnp support. I copyed the pnp.c and pnp.h to /sys/i386/isa and I > [...] > I am not very good at c so I don't know how to add them manually. > I am running 2.2.5(nov '97). If anyone can walk me through the proccess Did it ever occur to you that 2.2.5 might already have PnP support? :) -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 11:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27629 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:11:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27467 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 17689 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Feb 1998 19:17:21 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-020998 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980217102956.00eb2940@etinc.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:17:21 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: dennis Subject: Re: WatchDog Timer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 17-Feb-98 dennis wrote: ... > We have hardware that will do this, you need a physical device to hard > reboot > the machine as software reboots are imperfect. We're in semi-production, > but > dont really push it. 2 of our serial boards also have one integrated on > them. I know you do. If you provide me with the board and documentation, I'll add it to the ICS board driver I am currently writing. The driver will be offered for integration into FreeBSD public, free, source tree today, or tomorrow. The driver is written to be hardware independant, so different boards, from different vendors can be acomodated within the same driver interface. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.708.7858 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 11:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03769 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:39:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03761 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:39:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA13519 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:38:32 -0800 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id OAA26537; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:37:45 -0500 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA17459; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:37:43 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA05864; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802171937.NAA05864@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IIJPPP & The Root User X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 11:21:58PM -0500, Obi Wan Oblivion wrote: > Any reason why I shouldn't modify IIJPPP Version 1.2 (built on 9/23/97) to > allow uids other than zero to dialout? That's exactly what group ids are good for. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 13:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22368 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ROEARN (roearn.ici.ro [192.162.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA22315 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:15:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dano@roearn.ici.ro) Received: by roearn.ici.ro (MX V4.2 VAX) id 22; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:01:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:01:05 +0200 From: DAN ONTANU To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <009C1F80.63838160.22@roearn.ici.ro> Subject: IOMEGA's zip driver. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for being imprecise. The drive is an external one, meant to be connected via the paralell port. I've understood from one of you that the driver should be found on the Web. Thank you all for being so kind to answer my call. Dan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 13:46:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28395 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:46:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28274 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:46:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199802172146.NAA28274@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA213331971; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:46:11 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: bootable cd-rom's To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:46:11 +1100 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is it possible, yet, to make an iso9660 cd-rom boot freebsd using autorun ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:27:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05352 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:27:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05232 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06824; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd006805; Tue Feb 17 15:26:48 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04230; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:26:47 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802172226.PAA04230@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: egcs and -stable To: benedict@echonyc.com (Snob Art Genre) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:26:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Snob Art Genre" at Feb 17, 98 12:31:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Has anyone successfully made world with 2.2.x, using egcs as the compiler? > How about built the kernel? Any advice, warnings, caveats, hints, > gotchas, pitfalls . . . ? The FSF 2.8.0 is better than the Cygnus 2.8.0. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:33:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06166 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06117 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:33:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA18370; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:32:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: Snob Art Genre To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs and -stable In-Reply-To: <199802172226.PAA04230@usr09.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > The FSF 2.8.0 is better than the Cygnus 2.8.0. So I should use gcc28 in ports/lang instead of egcs? OK . . . how well will that work as my system compiler? Does it work for making the world? How about the kernel? Etc. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06291 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:34:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06218 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08910; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:33:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd008849; Tue Feb 17 15:33:34 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04453; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:33:29 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802172233.PAA04453@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:33:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no, mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802171119.DAA01450@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Feb 17, 98 03:19:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I believe -stable still uses the vn_rdwr (without the necessary call > > to LEASE_CHECK, of course, the better to break NFS...). In normal > > operation, this problem should never manifest in -stable. > > Can we have a confirmation on this, please? Tor says he's checked the > source and -stable is vulnerable; you say that you don't think it is. > > What's reality look like? Before the "no vn_rdwr", -current did not manifest problems booting on PSE machines. After the "no vn_rdwr", -current manifested problems booting on PSE machines. You can answer this question yourself by trying to boot a 2.2.x branch snap on a PSE capable processor and seeing if it hangs. PS: It did not hang mine. You may want to consider that this is a problem in the code, but it's an unused code path without the "no vn_rdwr" changes, so it's topologically equivalent to not being a problem in the code, as far as 2.2.x is concerned. Of course, it may just be that there is some other way to exercise the hole in the 2.2.x case. But I'll be damned if I can find it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:43:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07807 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07637 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:42:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18131; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:42:02 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA16215; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:42:01 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217234200.64455@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:42:00 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Snob Art Genre , Terry Lambert Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs and -stable References: <199802172226.PAA04230@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Snob Art Genre on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 05:32:03PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 05:32:03PM -0500, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > The FSF 2.8.0 is better than the Cygnus 2.8.0. > > So I should use gcc28 in ports/lang instead of egcs? OK . . . how well > will that work as my system compiler? Does it work for making the world? > How about the kernel? Etc. EGCS is bazar. FSF gcc is still cathedral. I'm fairly certain egcs hold a large part of the future for gcc (though much of the development there might be merged back to FSF gcc). Eivind, who notice that FSF once more has had a spin-off product due to its long release-cycles. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:46:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08238 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08151 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03189; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:27:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172227.OAA03189@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:09:57 +0100." <19980217130957.45413@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:27:32 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:40:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > I'm not certain about anything right now - I started reproducing this > > > about an hour ago. It might even be a hardware failure (but I've > > > tried with different cards of the same type, and all fail, while a > > > Kingston Ne2000-clone works flawlessly). > > > > That in particular is kinda odd. What NIC is the Kingston card using? > > Is it a "real" 8390x, or another clone? > > It's another clone. It is marked with > Kingston > EtheRx LC > KTC 8890-AXCM Bleagh. Someone's 8390 macrocell. At least it works. > > I have the RTL8019 documentation around here somewhere; it's in an odd > > format that I didn't get to print (a self-extracting nonstandard-format > > Windows executable I think). If you're really stuffed let me know and > > I'll dig it out. > > Thanks for the offer! (I don't need it yet, but might need it if > everything goes west). No sweat. I keep meaning to put my collection of obscure datasheets somewhere more public. > > One question; the destination of the insw - is that actually a > > legitimate address? ie. is it on the kernel stack, or somewhere > > else? > > It looks like the destination is on the kernel stack. The source > looks more suspicious - it is at 0x6200... That's not unreasonable; the onboard memory on an NE card isn't based at zero. See the comments and code in the Novell-specific probe section for details on this. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08278 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:46:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08178 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 19952 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Feb 1998 22:51:36 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-020998 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199802172226.PAA04230@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:51:36 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: egcs and -stable Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, (Snob Art Genre) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 17-Feb-98 Terry Lambert wrote: >> Has anyone successfully made world with 2.2.x, using egcs as the >> compiler? >> How about built the kernel? Any advice, warnings, caveats, hints, >> gotchas, pitfalls . . . ? > > The FSF 2.8.0 is better than the Cygnus 2.8.0. Oh, GREAT!!! Now we have a GCC that is not GCC anymore. We have a 2.8.0 and a better 2.8.0. Lets get back to the tyrany days where RMS ruled supreme. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.708.7858 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:47:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08386 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08270 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03174; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:25:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172225.OAA03174@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: The Hermit Hacker , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:45:49 PST." <199802151845.KAA18154@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:25:10 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In the mean time, this is where x11amp is dying : > Amancio > > 18088 x11amp RET open 10/0xa > 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045005 ,0xefbfcd00) > 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 > 18088 x11amp CALL open(0x80652d5,0x2,0xb) > 18088 x11amp NAMI "/compat/linux/dev/mixer" > 18088 x11amp NAMI "/dev/mixer" > 18088 x11amp RET open 12/0xc > 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xc,0x80044dfe ,0xefbfccfc) > 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 > 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045003 ,0xefbfcd10) > 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 > 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045002 ,0xefbfcd0c) > 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 > 18088 x11amp CALL ioctl(0xa,0xc0045004 ,0x80945bc) > 18088 x11amp RET ioctl 0 > 18088 x11amp CALL dup2(0xefbfccb0) > 18088 x11amp RET dup2 673128448/0x281f2000 > 18088 x11amp CALL old.getsockname > 18088 x11amp PSIG SIGSYS SIG_DFL Hmm. old.getsockname is listed in syscalls.master as type "CPT_NOA", ie. COMPAT with no args. It *should* not be giving you the SIGSYS if you have COMPAT_43 in your config. Do you? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:47:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08518 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:47:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08409 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12448; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:42:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd012371; Tue Feb 17 15:42:44 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04920; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:42:32 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802172242.PAA04920@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: VM messed: vm_page_free panic problem To: michaelh@cet.co.jp (Michael Hancock) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:42:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Tor.Egge@idi.ntnu.no, mike@smith.net.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Michael Hancock" at Feb 17, 98 11:19:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Somehow, this still seems to be a work-around to me. We shouldn't panic > because mfs doesn't implement VOP_GETPAGES. Unfortunately, I can't think > of a fix that isn't ugly. VOP_FINALVP would fix this. Barring that, all local media FS's *must* implement the interfaces VOP_GETPAGES/VOP_PUTPAGES. If all local media FS's implemented this, then all other FS's could use non-definition of a default decsriptor. This would make stacked FS's properly use the "bypass" mechanism to get to the correct underlying physical media FS's VOP_GETPAGES/VOP_PUTPAGES. Using the "bypass" mechanism is the correct way to deal with this. It's also the correct way to deal with the synchronization crap that was jammed into the nullfs, making it non-NULL. The alias object vs. object alias changes John made only partially mask some of these problems. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09047 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08826 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18205; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:48:53 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA16229; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:48:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980217234852.01126@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:48:52 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith , Eivind Eklund Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? References: <19980217130957.45413@follo.net> <199802172227.OAA03189@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802172227.OAA03189@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 02:27:32PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 02:27:32PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > One question; the destination of the insw - is that actually a > > > legitimate address? ie. is it on the kernel stack, or somewhere > > > else? > > > > It looks like the destination is on the kernel stack. The source > > looks more suspicious - it is at 0x6200... > > That's not unreasonable; the onboard memory on an NE card isn't based > at zero. See the comments and code in the Novell-specific probe > section for details on this. I've been looking more closesly now - I'm having the destination addresses switch between 0xefbX XXXX and 0xf01X XXXX. The 0xf01*-addresses never crash. And there are much more of the 0xf01*-addresses - I've seen hundreds of 0xf01* pass without getting any crashes, while between 10% and 20% of the 0xefb* crash. (But not 100%, which makes this more complicated). Throwing the interrupt in an splhigh() don't seem to make a difference, so that's not where the problem is. I'm about to start trigging some crashdumps on purpose now, so I can get a good look at how a dump for an OK case is. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 14:58:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11462 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11084 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04489; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:57:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd004435; Tue Feb 17 15:57:03 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06053; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:56:58 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802172256.PAA06053@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: egcs and -stable To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:56:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, benedict@echonyc.com In-Reply-To: from "Simon Shapiro" at Feb 17, 98 02:51:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The FSF 2.8.0 is better than the Cygnus 2.8.0. > > Oh, GREAT!!! Now we have a GCC that is not GCC anymore. We have a 2.8.0 > and a better 2.8.0. Lets get back to the tyrany days where RMS ruled > supreme. The egcs problems are in it's c++ implementation. You can use egcs if you want only one of your language tools to run. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12013 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csla.csl.sri.com (csla.csl.sri.com [192.12.33.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11853 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:00:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.18.20]) by csla.csl.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA02473 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (localhost.csl.sri.com [127.0.0.1]) by snapdragon.csl.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11624 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:59:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172259.OAA11624@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> To: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00:15 +0100." <19980216000015.18652@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:59:22 -0800 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ollivier Robert writes: ---------------------------------------- According to Greg Lehey: > While people are recommending, what would you recommend for a 128 MB > RAM system? Almost all boards nowadays are TX, but they only cache 64 > MB. Either a HX-based board such as the T2P4 from ASUS or one based on the VIA-2 chipset (I don't think it has the limitation of TX/VX). ---------------------------------------- With the ASUS T2P4 you have to make sure you buy a tag ram chip that the board doesn't come with. This chip is necessary to allow the board to cache more than 64meg. At least the one I got needed this. -Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12377 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:03:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12162 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25190; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:01:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802172301.PAA25190@rah.star-gate.com> To: Mike Smith cc: Amancio Hasty , The Hermit Hacker , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:25:10 PST." <199802172225.OAA03174@dingo.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <25187.887756465.1@rah> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:01:05 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, In my config I have: options "TCP_COMPAT_42" #emulate 4.2BSD TCP bugs options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] Tnks, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14260 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13960 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01406; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:46:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd001342; Tue Feb 17 15:46:35 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05239; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:46:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802172246.PAA05239@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: egcs and -stable To: benedict@echonyc.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:46:32 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Snob Art Genre" at Feb 17, 98 05:32:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The FSF 2.8.0 is better than the Cygnus 2.8.0. > > So I should use gcc28 in ports/lang instead of egcs? OK . . . how well > will that work as my system compiler? Does it work for making the world? > How about the kernel? Etc. It complains (with good reason) about some variable shadowing, but otherwise seems to work. I used the one built via "configure", and not the port; your mileage may vary. My problem with egcs stems from broken threaded exception handling in their c++ implementation. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:13:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15189 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:13:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14988 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:12:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03414; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:10:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172310.PAA03414@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Max Euston cc: "'Tim Vanderhoek'" , "'FreeBSD Hackers'" Subject: Re: Modifications to more(1) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:22:11 EST." <01BD3B9E.ACEB1140.meuston@jmrodgers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:10:42 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > this leads me to believe that this option is out-of-date (also > > > it does not follow the standard). My question is: should I fix > > > the -# option or remove it (my vote is to remove it - see > > > below). > > > > How long has it been broken? If it was broken in the last > > release or two, then probably no-one has noticed and it should > > just disappear. > > > Please excuse my ignorance re: CVS, but I have not used it before (used > other RCSs, but syntax/usage is different). I will learn more as I start > to work with it. > > I don't know how to check this (i.e. check specific versions of ONE file > only - without installing a whole set of files from a distribution). You can query the FreeBSD CVS repository at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi > I am running 2.2.5-release and just started to install & build CVSup when > my swap space filled during the build - I will have to reconfigure this (or > download the pre-built binary; not my first choice). The prebuilt binary is the only sensible way to go with CVSup unless you are a total masochist, or are soak-testing a new, extremely powerful system. > Finally (some very basic questions, but I don't have the answers - sorry): > > If I make changes to existing source code that does NOT follow current > FreeBSD style (indents, header files, etc...), is it proper to maintain the > style of the existing code or should I use the newer format? (e.g. should I > "#include " or "extern char *strcat()")? You should maintain the style of the file you are working on. If you want to perform a major cleanup of the code, then that's something best done in a separate set of changes. > Should I change the 'sccsid[]' date and/or version number? No. These are artifacts of a previous revision control system, and are generally left there so that people can trace the original source of the files. Also, gratuitously removing them would just add more (unuseful) bulk to the CVS repository. Just ignore them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16235 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16143 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:15:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03354; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:00:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172300.PAA03354@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:48:52 +0100." <19980217234852.01126@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:00:34 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 02:27:32PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > One question; the destination of the insw - is that actually a > > > > legitimate address? ie. is it on the kernel stack, or somewhere > > > > else? > > > > > > It looks like the destination is on the kernel stack. The source > > > looks more suspicious - it is at 0x6200... > > > > That's not unreasonable; the onboard memory on an NE card isn't based > > at zero. See the comments and code in the Novell-specific probe > > section for details on this. > > I've been looking more closesly now - I'm having the destination > addresses switch between 0xefbX XXXX and 0xf01X XXXX. The > 0xf01*-addresses never crash. And there are much more of the > 0xf01*-addresses - I've seen hundreds of 0xf01* pass without getting > any crashes, while between 10% and 20% of the 0xefb* crash. (But not > 100%, which makes this more complicated). I think what you're seeing there is you're taking interrupts on two different stacks. The 0xefb* addresses are around _kstack, which is at 0xefbfe000. The other one could be the user stack. Beware that the kernel stack is small (only a few K). You might want to see whether the values that are causing the problem are all below some threshold (IIRC the kernel stack allocation is about 7K). > I'm about to start trigging some crashdumps on purpose now, so I can > get a good look at how a dump for an OK case is. Do you have any custom code in the kernel? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18850 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18697 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03471; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:21:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172321.PAA03471@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , The Hermit Hacker , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:01:05 PST." <199802172301.PAA25190@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:21:10 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > In my config I have: > options "TCP_COMPAT_42" #emulate 4.2BSD TCP bugs > options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] OK, I think I'm chasing up the wrong tree here. You used ktrace/kdump to generate the trace you sent me, correct? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:26:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19199 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:26:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18992 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25448; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:24:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802172324.PAA25448@rah.star-gate.com> To: Mike Smith cc: Amancio Hasty , The Hermit Hacker , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:21:10 PST." <199802172321.PAA03471@dingo.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <25445.887757884.1@rah> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:24:44 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, I used ktrace/kdump to generate the trace which I posted. Regards, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:29:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19908 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19765 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18685; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:28:54 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA16488; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:28:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980218002852.55010@follo.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:28:52 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? References: <19980217234852.01126@follo.net> <199802172300.PAA03354@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802172300.PAA03354@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:00:34PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:00:34PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 02:27:32PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > I've been looking more closesly now - I'm having the destination > > addresses switch between 0xefbX XXXX and 0xf01X XXXX. The > > 0xf01*-addresses never crash. And there are much more of the > > 0xf01*-addresses - I've seen hundreds of 0xf01* pass without getting > > any crashes, while between 10% and 20% of the 0xefb* crash. (But not > > 100%, which makes this more complicated). > > I think what you're seeing there is you're taking interrupts on two > different stacks. The 0xefb* addresses are around _kstack, which is at > 0xefbfe000. The other one could be the user stack. _kstack is the bottom end of the stack; the top end looks like it is at 0xefc0000. All of the crashing addresses I've seen so far are in the top 256 bytes of the kstack, so it doesn't look like I'm running out of stack. > Beware that the kernel stack is small (only a few K). You might want > to see whether the values that are causing the problem are all below > some threshold (IIRC the kernel stack allocation is about 7K). It's exactly 8k, if I read the sources correctly. > > I'm about to start trigging some crashdumps on purpose now, so I can > > get a good look at how a dump for an OK case is. > > Do you have any custom code in the kernel? Yes. And the system won't boot without it, so ripping it out is really not an option. I could try to revert as much as possible, but it really doesn't look like any of the code that is revertible is at fault; almost none of it has been excersised yet. The only part that has been excersised that I can see might be relevant is the PnP probe in the ed driver; that's the exact same probe I committed to -current a couple of weeks ago. The kernel I'm debugging is a 2.2.2 with many parts merged from -current and RELENG_2_2, and some special tuneups (the tty-buffers is increased from 100 to 1600 bytes, for instance, but as it seems to be very very far from extinguishing the stack space, this shouldn't be of concern). And the exact same kernel run fine with another NE2000-clone (on another port and IRQ, though, but there are no IRQ-conflicts). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:33:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20818 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:33:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20775 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:32:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00051; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:49:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:49:33 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs and -stable In-Reply-To: <199802172246.PAA05239@usr09.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > It complains (with good reason) about some variable shadowing, but > otherwise seems to work. What is that? > My problem with egcs stems from broken threaded exception handling > in their c++ implementation. It's a good thing the system is written in C! Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:47:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23808 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:47:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23422 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25621; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:30:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd025599; Tue Feb 17 16:30:06 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07487; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:30:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802172330.QAA07487@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: egcs and -stable To: benedict@echonyc.com (Snob Art Genre) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:30:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Snob Art Genre" at Feb 17, 98 05:49:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > It complains (with good reason) about some variable shadowing, but > > otherwise seems to work. > > What is that? int var = 5; foo() { int var; /* shadows global declaration*/ } Shadowing generally means that you may be trying to get something and end up getting something entirely different. > > My problem with egcs stems from broken threaded exception handling > > in their c++ implementation. > > It's a good thing the system is written in C! Sure, but that's not a good enough reason to install a C++ that doesn't work with a C that does, instead of having both work. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 15:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23985 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:48:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23899 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:48:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03569; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:45:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172345.PAA03569@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , The Hermit Hacker , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:24:44 PST." <199802172324.PAA25448@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:45:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yes, I used ktrace/kdump to generate the trace which I posted. Please use linux_kdump, like I asked you to last time. The problem is that x11amp is trying to call an unimplemented systam call (#150). I'll have to dig out a recent Linux distribution and find out what that is. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 16:11:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27418 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27375 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrcpu@cdsnet.net) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA24062 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:11:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:11:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Apparent NFS related crash in -stable: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD uwb-01.cdsnet.net 2.2.5-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE #1: Wed Dec 3 14:59:30 PST 1997 root@uwb1.cdsnet.net:/n/FreeBSD/2.2.5-stable/src/sys/compile/UWB1 i386 uwb-01# gdb -k kernel.0 vmcore.0 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)... IdlePTD 23e000 current pcb at 1fbb50 panic: vinvalbuf: flush failed #0 0xf0117ce7 in boot () (kgdb) where #0 0xf0117ce7 in boot () #1 0xf0117fc3 in panic () #2 0xf0137744 in vinvalbuf () #3 0xf015ea50 in nfs_vinvalbuf () #4 0xf015e082 in nfs_write () #5 0xf013c497 in vn_write () #6 0xf011fa23 in write () #7 0xf01cfad7 in syscall () #8 0x200a3fc1 in ?? () #9 0x1663b in ?? () #10 0x85b8 in ?? () #11 0x8643 in ?? () #12 0xb2c4 in ?? () #13 0x43ad in ?? () #14 0x4526 in ?? () #15 0x4d6b in ?? () #16 0x518c in ?? () #17 0x1095 in ?? () The nfs_vinvalbuf looks suspect, the server does moderate NFS writing to an NFS volume, over version 2 UDP. Have there been NFS fixes in -stable since beginning of December? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 16:20:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28574 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28469 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:19:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03678; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:17:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180017.QAA03678@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:28:52 +0100." <19980218002852.55010@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:17:47 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > I think what you're seeing there is you're taking interrupts on two > > different stacks. The 0xefb* addresses are around _kstack, which is at > > 0xefbfe000. The other one could be the user stack. > > _kstack is the bottom end of the stack; the top end looks like it is > at 0xefc0000. All of the crashing addresses I've seen so far are in > the top 256 bytes of the kstack, so it doesn't look like I'm running > out of stack. Ok. Pity though, it would have been a convenient answer. 8) > > > I'm about to start trigging some crashdumps on purpose now, so I can > > > get a good look at how a dump for an OK case is. > > > > Do you have any custom code in the kernel? > > Yes. And the system won't boot without it, so ripping it out is > really not an option. I could try to revert as much as possible, but > it really doesn't look like any of the code that is revertible is at > fault; almost none of it has been excersised yet. The only reason I asked was inre: stack overflow. > And the exact same kernel run fine with another NE2000-clone (on > another port and IRQ, though, but there are no IRQ-conflicts). 8( Try matching the two, just in case this is a real heisenbug... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 16:45:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02017 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01861 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28320; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:05:57 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA01986; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:05:56 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980218110556.62597@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:05:56 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith , Philippe Regnauld Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? References: <19980216133533.42366@deepo.prosa.dk> <199802171131.DAA01586@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802171131.DAA01586@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 03:31:20AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 February 1998 at 3:31:20 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> Apart from that, a rewriting rule in sendmail might do the trick. >> At MUA level, maybe you could do this with Mutt and the hooks. > > Hmm. Mutt reminds me too much of my old VT100 days. 8( In which way? It's one of the most flexible MUAs out there. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 17:04:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06494 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:04:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06364 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03808; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:53:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180053.QAA03808@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:05:56 +1030." <19980218110556.62597@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:53:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 17 February 1998 at 3:31:20 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > >> Apart from that, a rewriting rule in sendmail might do the trick. > >> At MUA level, maybe you could do this with Mutt and the hooks. > > > > Hmm. Mutt reminds me too much of my old VT100 days. 8( > > In which way? It's one of the most flexible MUAs out there. Rectangular character cells. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 17:27:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11267 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA10884; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:25:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA01086; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:34:06 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199802171934.UAA01086@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Luigi Rizzo's pnp mod To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:34:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: jwalt@mwci.net, freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav" at Feb 17, 98 07:41:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Jesse Walters writes: > > I am trying to get my awe32 pnp working and I need to install > > Rizzo's pnp support. I copyed the pnp.c and pnp.h to /sys/i386/isa and I > > [...] > > I am not very good at c so I don't know how to add them manually. > > I am running 2.2.5(nov '97). If anyone can walk me through the proccess > > Did it ever occur to you that 2.2.5 might already have PnP support? :) 2.2.5 doesnt -- except for a tarball in xperimnt/ which he is probably having problem to import. -stable has pnp now, so one possibility could be to fetch whatever is needed from there. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 17:34:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12607 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12365 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA07979 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:52:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:52:46 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-Reply-To: <19980218110556.62597@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, 17 February 1998 at 3:31:20 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Hmm. Mutt reminds me too much of my old VT100 days. 8( > > In which way? It's one of the most flexible MUAs out there. Maybe he just doesn't like terminal-based mail reading? > Greg Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 17:55:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18865 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:55:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (dyna2-164.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18654 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA06756; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:34:55 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:34:55 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Mike Smith cc: Amancio Hasty , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-Reply-To: <199802172345.PAA03569@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Yes, I used ktrace/kdump to generate the trace which I posted. > > Please use linux_kdump, like I asked you to last time. The problem is > that x11amp is trying to call an unimplemented systam call (#150). > > I'll have to dig out a recent Linux distribution and find out what that > is. Just a quick point here, before you potentially waste effort...the new sound drivers from Luigi (pcm0) fixes the problem...x11amp appears to work flawlessly at this point in time... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 18:16:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22579 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:16:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22436 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA20577; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:15:16 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA20333; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:15:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980218031514.22415@follo.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:15:14 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? References: <19980218002852.55010@follo.net> <199802180017.QAA03678@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802180017.QAA03678@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 04:17:47PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 04:17:47PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I'm about to start trigging some crashdumps on purpose now, so I can > > > > get a good look at how a dump for an OK case is. > > > > > > Do you have any custom code in the kernel? > > > > Yes. And the system won't boot without it, so ripping it out is > > really not an option. I could try to revert as much as possible, but > > it really doesn't look like any of the code that is revertible is at > > fault; almost none of it has been excersised yet. > > The only reason I asked was inre: stack overflow. Yeah, I understand. I can't see anything that could have triggered that; none of the other code even being run, AFAIK. I've also just added stack guards - they're not triggered... > > And the exact same kernel run fine with another NE2000-clone (on > > another port and IRQ, though, but there are no IRQ-conflicts). > > 8( Try matching the two, just in case this is a real heisenbug... That's going to be difficult. I'd introduce other differences if I was to get the other cards to this address - we're talking PnP-cards. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 18:19:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23314 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23189 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:19:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04037; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:15:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180215.SAA04037@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:34:55 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:15:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Yes, I used ktrace/kdump to generate the trace which I posted. > > > > Please use linux_kdump, like I asked you to last time. The problem is > > that x11amp is trying to call an unimplemented systam call (#150). > > > > I'll have to dig out a recent Linux distribution and find out what that > > is. > > Just a quick point here, before you potentially waste effort...the > new sound drivers from Luigi (pcm0) fixes the problem...x11amp appears to > work flawlessly at this point in time... Sounds good. When's the port arrive? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 18:31:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25456 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25240 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:30:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17350; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "crab.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpda17347; Tue Feb 17 18:22:32 1998 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by crab.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id SAA24437; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199802180218.SAA24437@crab.whistle.com> Subject: Re: bootable cd-rom's In-Reply-To: <199802172146.NAA28274@hub.freebsd.org> from Darren Reed at "Feb 18, 98 08:46:11 am" To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:18:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Darren Reed writes: | | is it possible, yet, to make an iso9660 cd-rom boot freebsd using autorun ? Yep sure does, just use -C passed to the kernel. I made a patch to the boot blocks so I could put "/kernel -C" in boot.config and mount the cd as /. I used mkisofs 11, to master it. We use this in manufacturing. Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 18:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25627 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25442 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17320; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:31:12 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199802180231.AAA17320@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: bootable cd-rom's In-Reply-To: <199802172146.NAA28274@hub.freebsd.org> from Darren Reed at "Feb 18, 98 08:46:11 am" To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:31:12 -0200 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG #define quoting(Darren Reed) // is it possible, yet, to make an iso9660 cd-rom boot freebsd using autorun ? What do you need ? A bootable CDROM or Win95 autorun support ? You can get the first with El Torito extensions, already supported by mkisofs. To get the second, just create an AUTORUN.INF file in the root directory, specifying a file to be executed by Win95 when the CD is inserted. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 19:04:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00479 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00299 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:02:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA21782; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:30:55 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Smith cc: The Hermit Hacker , Amancio Hasty , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:15:52 PST." <199802180215.SAA04037@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:30:54 -0800 Message-ID: <21778.887769054@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Just a quick point here, before you potentially waste effort...the > > new sound drivers from Luigi (pcm0) fixes the problem...x11amp appears to > > work flawlessly at this point in time... > > Sounds good. When's the port arrive? More to the point, how did they get this to work? :-) I ran the latest version which spat up something about bind not working and then brought up its little GUI. Then I loaded an MP3 file and it just sat there staring at me. Never heard a thing from the speakers, no matter how many of its "play" buttons I subsequently hit. :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 19:27:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03616 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (slip-33.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03364 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA00439; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:24:14 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:24:14 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-Reply-To: <21778.887769054@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Just a quick point here, before you potentially waste effort...the > > > new sound drivers from Luigi (pcm0) fixes the problem...x11amp appears to > > > work flawlessly at this point in time... > > > > Sounds good. When's the port arrive? > > More to the point, how did they get this to work? :-) I ran the latest > version which spat up something about bind not working and then > brought up its little GUI. Then I loaded an MP3 file and it just sat > there staring at me. Never heard a thing from the speakers, no matter > how many of its "play" buttons I subsequently hit. :) I run it here as: x11amp -srzb 100 `cat ~scrappy/mp3.list` Which gives me shuffle mode, repeat, with the spectrum analyzer turned off and a buffer of 100kb, while the 'cat' provides a list of mp3's I want played. This is with 3.0-CURRENT, with the updated pcm drivers. Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 19:34:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04521 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04307 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:32:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA22437; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:28:35 -0800 (PST) To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:24:14 -0400." Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:28:35 -0800 Message-ID: <22433.887772515@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I run it here as: > > x11amp -srzb 100 `cat ~scrappy/mp3.list` > > Which gives me shuffle mode, repeat, with the spectrum analyzer turned off > and a buffer of 100kb, while the 'cat' provides a list of mp3's I want > played. Hmmm. No dice - it won't play anything. :-( Oh well! Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 20:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10111 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10026 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:07:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA11168 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:37 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199802180407.OAA11168@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: w/who weirdness.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:37 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA10039 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am running -current, and sometimes I get weird results from w and who.. ie [holly 2:34pm] /tmp> who :0.0 darius Jan 1 09:30 (¾vê4) darius ttyp2 Feb 18 13:18 (139.130.136.161) [holly 2:38pm] /tmp> w w: /dev//darius: No such file or directory But other times they both act fine.. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 20:10:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10423 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:10:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (slip-33.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10272 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA00639; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:08:45 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:08:45 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-Reply-To: <22433.887772515@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I run it here as: > > > > x11amp -srzb 100 `cat ~scrappy/mp3.list` > > > > Which gives me shuffle mode, repeat, with the spectrum analyzer turned off > > and a buffer of 100kb, while the 'cat' provides a list of mp3's I want > > played. > > Hmmm. No dice - it won't play anything. :-( > > Oh well! Just thought about it (potential stupid question here!)...when I upgraded to the new pcm drivers (which I required in order to use this), I had to go into MAKEDEV and change the snd*) section so that if $unit = "1", instead of "0", since the pcm driver have everything installed as 'audio1', 'dsp1', etc.. I don't know if this helps any... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 21:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25596 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:53:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25566 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:52:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04962; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:50:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180550.VAA04962@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: DAN ONTANU cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IOMEGA's zip driver. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:01:05 +0200." <009C1F80.63838160.22@roearn.ici.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:50:43 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sorry for being imprecise. The drive is an external one, meant to be connected > via the paralell port. I've understood from one of you that the driver should > be found on the Web. Thank you all for being so kind to answer my call. As the effective point-man for Zip drives on FreeBSD, I should point out that while Nicholas' 'ppa3' driver is indeed available from his website, there is a much later version of this driver in -current. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 22:53:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03152 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:53:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03126; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00671; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:52:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802180652.WAA00671@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:24:14 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:52:04 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Downloaded the latest linux emulation code for 3.0-current, compiled it, loaded it and now x11amp seems to work with the stock voxware-3.5 sound driver. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 23:12:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05809 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:12:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05763 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:11:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA19381 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:41:37 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199802180711.RAA19381@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux compilations.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:41:36 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am trying to get some Linux code compiled, so I am using the Linux Development kit, but I can't seem to get some things to compile.. :-/ I am trying to compile Mesa, which worked fine, but the demos die :( When I tried to compile a demo I got - make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/tmp/quake-dev/Mesa-2.6/demos' gcc -I../include -O3 -ansi -pedantic -fPIC -ffast-math -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -I/usr/X11R6/include -DSHM -DFX -I/usr/local/glide/include bounce.c -L../lib -lglut -lMesaGLU -lMesaGL -lm -L/usr/X11/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXmu -lXt -lXi -lSM -lICE -o bounce /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `times' /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `puts' /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `putenv' /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `iopl' /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `cfmakeraw' /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `fgetc' /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `clock' /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `tcsetattr' make[2]: *** [bounce] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/quake-dev/Mesa-2.6/demos' make[1]: *** [linux-glide] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/quake-dev/Mesa-2.6/demos' make: *** [linux-glide] Error 2 But all of these things are in libc.. right? Am I doing something obviously wrong? I wouldn't normally have to do this, but 3Dfx in their infinite wisdow deign not to port the Glide stuff to FreeBSD (yet anyway..) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 23:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10379 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:54:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10342 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bartol@salk.edu) Received: from dale.salk.edu (dale [198.202.70.112]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14275; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:40:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:40:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Bartol To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux compilations.. In-Reply-To: <199802180711.RAA19381@cain.gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had some difficulty with compilation under the Linux Development Kit as well which I cleared up as follows: 1) in /compat/linux/usr/lib remove the libc.so symbolic link and replace it with: ln -s ../../lib/libc.so.5.4.23 libc.so 2) in /compat/linux/usr/lib remove the libm.so symbolic link and replace it with: ln -s ../../lib/libm.so.5.0.8 libm.so 3) rebuild /compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache by executing: /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig -v For some reason the absolute symbolic links for libc.so and libm.so were causing problems during the link step and the relative symbolic links (which technically point at the exact same files as the absolute symbolic links) worked for me. This may work for you as well. Also, beware that compiling code on NFS mounted filesystems does not work on my system (recent -current) and may not work on yours either. I have no trouble on local filesystems. I have reported these problems before but they have not (yet) been fixed. There are many more important and pressing issues at hand in -current... :-) Hope this works for you, Tom On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to get some Linux code compiled, so I am using the Linux > Development kit, but I can't seem to get some things to compile.. :-/ > I am trying to compile Mesa, which worked fine, but the demos die :( > When I tried to compile a demo I got - > > make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/tmp/quake-dev/Mesa-2.6/demos' > gcc -I../include -O3 -ansi -pedantic -fPIC -ffast-math -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -I/usr/X11R6/include -DSHM -DFX -I/usr/local/glide/include bounce.c -L../lib -lglut -lMesaGLU -lMesaGL -lm -L/usr/X11/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXmu -lXt -lXi -lSM -lICE -o bounce > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `times' > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `puts' > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `putenv' > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `iopl' > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `cfmakeraw' > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `fgetc' > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `clock' > /usr/lib/libglide2x.so: undefined reference to `tcsetattr' > make[2]: *** [bounce] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/quake-dev/Mesa-2.6/demos' > make[1]: *** [linux-glide] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/quake-dev/Mesa-2.6/demos' > make: *** [linux-glide] Error 2 > > But all of these things are in libc.. right? > Am I doing something obviously wrong? I wouldn't normally have to do this, but > 3Dfx in their infinite wisdow deign not to port the Glide stuff to FreeBSD > (yet anyway..) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | > |http://www.gsoft.com.au | > |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| > |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 17 23:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10845 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from konig.elte.hu (konig.elte.hu [157.181.6.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10808 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:56:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sebesty@cs.elte.hu) Received: from neumann.cs.elte.hu (neumann [157.181.6.200]) by konig.elte.hu (8.8.8/8.8.8/3s) with ESMTP id IAA01093; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:56:34 +0100 Received: from localhost (sebesty@localhost) by neumann.cs.elte.hu (8.8.8/8.8.8/1c) with SMTP id IAA22559; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:55:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: neumann.cs.elte.hu: sebesty owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:55:44 +0100 (MET) From: Zoltan Sebestyen To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IOMEGA's zip driver. In-Reply-To: <199802171056.CAA01295@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > BTW, I think that FBSD's SCSI driver behaves badly. I've got my ZIP drive > > on an Adaptec 1502 and the drive sometimes gets mad, but when I change to > > NT, it behaves normally again. > > > The 'aic' driver, which is just *one* of the SCSI adapter drivers > included with FreeBSD, is known to suffer from serious problems. OK, you're right, I must have been more accurate. Is there a bug-list of the aic driver somewhere? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sebestyen Zoltan It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up. szoli@digo.inf.elte.hu But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid? MAKE INSTALL NOT WAR And please avoid Necrosoft Widows To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 01:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17639 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:00:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zwei.siemens.at (zwei.siemens.at [193.81.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17550 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lada@ws6502.gud.siemens.at) Received: from ws6502 (root@firix [10.1.143.100]) by zwei.siemens.at with ESMTP id JAA05377 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:59:06 +0100 (MET) Received: by ws6502 (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088772239; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:57:19 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: lada@ws6423-f.gud.siemens.at Subject: [comp.lang.c.moderated,comp.lang.c++.moderated,comp.std.c++,comp.compilers] ANNOUNCE: TenDRA C/C++ compiler From: lada@ws6502.gud.siemens.at (marino.ladavac@siemens.at) Date: 18 Feb 1998 09:57:19 +0100 Message-Id: Lines: 121 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/XEmacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- As far as the differences between BSD and Systems V, that's simple. System V sucks and BSD doesn't. :) -- Curt Welch UNIX _is_ user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. -- Marco Molteni ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Subject: ANNOUNCE: TenDRA C/C++ compiler From: Robert Andrews Organization: DERA Newsgroups: comp.lang.c.moderated,comp.lang.c++.moderated,comp.std.c++,comp.compilers Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:10:10 GMT TenDRA 4.1.1 Release -------------------- The Open Software Systems Group (OSSG) at the UK's Defence and Evaluation Research Agency (DERA) is making its ANDF-based TenDRA compiler available as a free, freely exploitable (i.e. not GPL), public domain, source code release. (The precise terms are available on the Web site below.) The compiler implementation is based on a language-independent and processor-independent intermediate form, developed by DERA, but now standardised as the XANDF preliminary standard by The Open Group. The purpose of this release is to maximise the value from the public funds that paid for the development of this compiler. DERA's mission permits us to take commercial contracts, and if we have the resources we will try and respond to requests for maintenance or development services - indeed we are currently providing such services for the XANDF code generators to a compiler company that plans to sell an Ada compiler product that also uses XANDF. If any other company wishes in the future to provide services in support of the TenDRA technology we would be delighted to assist them in the setting up of such services. Anyone wishing to discuss commercial services should contact me at the address below. The release can be downloaded from the TenDRA Web site: http://alph.dera.gov.uk/TenDRA/ or by FTP from alph.dera.gov.uk, from the directory /pub/TenDRA. The release consists of two components, TenDRA-4.1.1.tar.gz (~3.9MB), containing the compiler source, and TenDRA-4.1.1-doc.tar.gz (~0.75MB), containing the HTML documentation (this documentation is also accessible directly from the Web site). The list of supported platforms is given at the Web site, and includes most popular Unix platforms, including SPARC/Solaris and Intel/Linux. Support for NT is planned, but is not currently available. The release software comprises: - compiler front-ends for C and C++ (written to the latest draft ISO standard); - compiler back-ends for the supported platforms; - tools for creating, displaying and manipulating the XANDF binary format; - descriptions for a number of common APIs used in the compiler's API checking facilities; - compiler generator tools, including a parser generator, used in the development of the TenDRA compiler. The compiler features include: - strict checking for conformance to the ISO C and draft ISO C++ standards, including references to the standard in error messages; - API conformance checking using the TenDRA API descriptions; - configurable extra static program checks; - configurable support for C and C++ dialect features. The C++ front-end has been developed from the draft ISO C++ standard, and, with a couple of exceptions, supports the complete language. The current deficiencies are: - the current implementation of exception handling imposes a small run-time overhead even when not used (it can be disabled however); - the automatic inter-module instantiation of templates is not yet working properly, and has been disabled; - certain topics concerned with the timing of destructors are not currently in line with the draft standard. In addition, this release only contains a minimal run-time support library giving support for language features such as , and . If support for the complete C++ standard library is required then one of the available freeware implementations should be used. DERA have some funds for further development of the compiler until April 1998, and will be addressing these issues. Any suggestions on priorising this work would be welcomed. Acknowledgments: The development of this compiler was paid for by both the UK's Ministry of Defence and the Commision of the European Communities in a project called DEPLOY within their Esprit Programme. Numerous companies and individuals have contributed to the TenDRA project during its lifetime, in particular the Open Software Foundation (now The Open Group) whose original concept ANDF was. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Andrews Principal Scientist Email: R.Andrews@eris.dera.gov.uk -- comp.lang.c.moderated - clcm@plethora.net ------- End of forwarded message ------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 01:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19879 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:10:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server4.mpcbbs.com.br (server4.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19817 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capriotti@geocities.com) Received: from hot_nt (node23.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.23]) by server4.mpcbbs.com.br (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA09589 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:15:39 -0200 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980218061444.009144c0@pop.mpc.com.br> X-Sender: capriotti@pop.mpc.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:15:51 -0300 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Capriotti Subject: S3 Virge/DX video card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work with X. Anyone out there w/ the same problem ? Any solution ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 01:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21399 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:16:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA21353 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hans@news.IAEhv.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 20672 on Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:59:43 GMT; id IAA20672 efrom: hans; eto: UNKNOWN Received: by truk.brandinnovators.com (8.7.5/BI96070101) for id JAA19928; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:43:56 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802180843.JAA19928@truk.brandinnovators.com> From: hans@brandinnovators.com (Hans Zuidam) Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations To: bsdhack@shadows.aeon.net (mika ruohotie) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:43:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802171813.UAA24391@shadows.aeon.net> from mika ruohotie at "Feb 17, 98 08:13:23 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Amancio > If you do that please be sure to bring back the original FORTRAN > source code for adventure :-P Hmmmm, I do have a Burroughs B7700 FORTRAN source listing of adventure lying around for anyone adventurous enough. No doubt I could find a scanner somewhere ;-) Hans -- H. Zuidam E-Mail: hans@brandinnovators.com Brand Innovators B.V. P-Mail: P.O. Box 1377 de Pinckart 54 5602 BJ Eindhoven, The Netherlands 5674 CC Nuenen Tel. +31 40 2631134, Fax. +31 40 2831138 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 01:51:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26987 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:51:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26945 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:51:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01859; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:50:58 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199802180950.KAA01859@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980218061444.009144c0@pop.mpc.com.br> from Capriotti at "Feb 18, 98 06:15:51 am" To: capriotti@geocities.com (Capriotti) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:50:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Capriotti who wrote: > I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work > with X. > > Anyone out there w/ the same problem ? Any solution ? I run a noname 4MB virge/DX card no probs.. What is your problem ?? What X server are you using ?? Config file ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 02:10:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00738 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29623 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.4) with UUCP id KAA09298; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:05:14 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:57:51 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980218061444.009144c0@pop.mpc.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:00:39 +0000 To: Capriotti From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 9:15 am +0000 18/2/98, Capriotti wrote: >I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work >with X. I'm having problems getting *any* S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work. Period. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 02:47:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05765 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:47:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05739 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00869; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:46:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802181046.CAA00869@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bob Bishop cc: Capriotti , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:00:39 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:46:06 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > At 9:15 am +0000 18/2/98, Capriotti wrote: > >I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work > >with X. > > I'm having problems getting *any* S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work. Period. Er, if this is a problem with X, why aren't you talking to the XFree86 people (if you're using their server), or the Xi Graphics people (if you're using theirs)? They both work though, I've used VX and DX ViRGE cards with 2 & 4M under the latest XFree86 with reasonable success. They're fast and they're cheap - what more can you say? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 04:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17513 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:13:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17485 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA09319 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:12:55 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Ooh, grandma, what a big mailbox you have! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:12:53 -0800 Message-ID: <9294.887803973@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry to send this to hackers, but this is the only way to get the message to many folks who have mail.freebsd.org accounts but subscribe under a different address - for reasons that will quickly become apparent, I can't send them email at their freebsd.org address. :-) A couple of weeks ago we lost all the /var/forward files on mail.freebsd.org and, since mail is configured to IGNORE $HOME/.forward files in favor of files in /var/forward, for many folks their mail simply started queuing up locally. We ignore $HOME/.forward for the simple reason that most people have their home directories on freefall, and if freefall is down and temporarily not providing NFS services for some reason then the $HOME/.forward files become unreachable by sendmail and it just dumps them into the local mailbox anyway. With our /var/forward/$USER file solution, it's at least robust in the face of NFS failures even if it's not very robust in the face of outright disk crashes with no backups. :-) In any case, the backup problem has been basically dealt with (we bought a tape drive) but we've still got a lot of folks who's forward files never got recreated and their mail is just spooling up on mail.freebsd.org as a result. If you are one of the following people or *know how to contact one of these folks*, please arrange for the email to be pop'd off of mail.freebsd.org so that we can reclaim the space. THANKS! Rogue's gallery of top mailboxes: 5920 -rw------- 1 mpp mpp 6047451 Feb 18 04:02 mpp 5552 -rw------- 1 gclarkii gclarkii 5669691 Feb 18 04:02 gclarkii 5256 -rw------- 1 ats ats 5372580 Feb 18 04:02 ats 3928 -rw------- 1 jmb jmb 4007764 Feb 18 04:04 jmb 3200 -rw------- 1 paul paul 3262386 Feb 18 04:02 paul 3112 -rw------- 1 chuckr chuckr 3173118 Feb 18 04:02 chuckr 3056 -rw------- 1 csgr csgr 3113460 Feb 18 04:02 csgr 3024 -rw------- 1 max max 3083988 Feb 18 04:02 max 2976 -rw------- 1 wpaul wpaul 3038653 Feb 18 04:02 wpaul 2976 -rw------- 1 torstenb torstenb 3035328 Feb 18 04:02 torstenb 2944 -rw------- 1 charnier charnier 3003161 Feb 18 04:03 charnier 2936 -rw------- 1 uhclem uhclem 2993123 Feb 18 04:02 uhclem 2936 -rw------- 1 rhh 4033 2992216 Feb 18 04:05 rhh 2936 -rw------- 1 ahasty ahasty 2993785 Feb 18 04:05 ahasty 2928 -rw------- 1 ugen ugen 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 ugen 2928 -rw------- 1 tedm tedm 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 tedm 2928 -rw------- 1 stark stark 2985034 Feb 18 04:03 stark 2928 -rw------- 1 rse rse 2985034 Feb 18 04:03 rse 2928 -rw------- 1 proven proven 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 proven 2928 -rw------- 1 pds pds 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 pds 2928 -rw------- 1 mjacob mjacob 2985034 Feb 18 04:05 mjacob 2928 -rw------- 1 mbarkah mbarkah 2986768 Feb 18 04:02 mbarkah 2928 -rw------- 1 ljo ljo 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 ljo 2928 -rw------- 1 lars lars 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 lars 2928 -rw------- 1 karl karl 2989948 Feb 18 04:02 karl 2928 -rw------- 1 jvh jvh 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 jvh 2928 -rw------- 1 jgreco jgreco 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 jgreco 2928 -rw------- 1 graichen graichen 2987417 Feb 18 04:02 graichen 2928 -rw------- 1 davidn davidn 2988959 Feb 18 04:02 davidn 2928 -rw------- 1 darrenr darrenr 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 darrenr 2928 -rw------- 1 brandon brandon 2985034 Feb 18 04:05 brandon 936 -rw------- 1 vanilla vanilla 945964 Feb 18 04:05 vanilla 792 -rw------- 1 wosch wosch 796801 Feb 18 04:02 wosch 448 -rw------- 1 jhs jhs 445223 Feb 18 03:39 jhs 264 -rw------- 1 wilko wilko 255243 Feb 18 00:47 wilko 200 -rw------- 1 adam adam 195855 Jan 25 09:56 adam 192 -rw------- 1 hsu hsu 182838 Feb 18 04:02 hsu 144 -rw------- 1 smace smace 135920 Jan 24 18:22 smace 128 -rw------- 1 dima dima 115147 Jan 23 19:33 dima 112 -rw------- 1 jseger jseger 100510 Feb 18 04:05 jseger 112 -rw------- 1 john john 102757 Feb 17 20:05 john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 04:42:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26474 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:42:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA24197; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-announce) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:13:38 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17515 for freebsd-announce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-announce@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17487 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA09330 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:12:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:12:53 -0800 Message-ID: <9294.887803973.1@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Ooh, grandma, what a big mailbox you have! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Content-Description: Blind Carbon Copy To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Original Message To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Ooh, grandma, what a big mailbox you have! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:12:53 -0800 Message-ID: <9294.887803973@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sorry to send this to hackers, but this is the only way to get the message to many folks who have mail.freebsd.org accounts but subscribe under a different address - for reasons that will quickly become apparent, I can't send them email at their freebsd.org address. :-) A couple of weeks ago we lost all the /var/forward files on mail.freebsd.org and, since mail is configured to IGNORE $HOME/.forward files in favor of files in /var/forward, for many folks their mail simply started queuing up locally. We ignore $HOME/.forward for the simple reason that most people have their home directories on freefall, and if freefall is down and temporarily not providing NFS services for some reason then the $HOME/.forward files become unreachable by sendmail and it just dumps them into the local mailbox anyway. With our /var/forward/$USER file solution, it's at least robust in the face of NFS failures even if it's not very robust in the face of outright disk crashes with no backups. :-) In any case, the backup problem has been basically dealt with (we bought a tape drive) but we've still got a lot of folks who's forward files never got recreated and their mail is just spooling up on mail.freebsd.org as a result. If you are one of the following people or *know how to contact one of these folks*, please arrange for the email to be pop'd off of mail.freebsd.org so that we can reclaim the space. THANKS! Rogue's gallery of top mailboxes: 5920 -rw------- 1 mpp mpp 6047451 Feb 18 04:02 mpp 5552 -rw------- 1 gclarkii gclarkii 5669691 Feb 18 04:02 gclarkii 5256 -rw------- 1 ats ats 5372580 Feb 18 04:02 ats 3928 -rw------- 1 jmb jmb 4007764 Feb 18 04:04 jmb 3200 -rw------- 1 paul paul 3262386 Feb 18 04:02 paul 3112 -rw------- 1 chuckr chuckr 3173118 Feb 18 04:02 chuckr 3056 -rw------- 1 csgr csgr 3113460 Feb 18 04:02 csgr 3024 -rw------- 1 max max 3083988 Feb 18 04:02 max 2976 -rw------- 1 wpaul wpaul 3038653 Feb 18 04:02 wpaul 2976 -rw------- 1 torstenb torstenb 3035328 Feb 18 04:02 torstenb 2944 -rw------- 1 charnier charnier 3003161 Feb 18 04:03 charnier 2936 -rw------- 1 uhclem uhclem 2993123 Feb 18 04:02 uhclem 2936 -rw------- 1 rhh 4033 2992216 Feb 18 04:05 rhh 2936 -rw------- 1 ahasty ahasty 2993785 Feb 18 04:05 ahasty 2928 -rw------- 1 ugen ugen 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 ugen 2928 -rw------- 1 tedm tedm 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 tedm 2928 -rw------- 1 stark stark 2985034 Feb 18 04:03 stark 2928 -rw------- 1 rse rse 2985034 Feb 18 04:03 rse 2928 -rw------- 1 proven proven 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 proven 2928 -rw------- 1 pds pds 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 pds 2928 -rw------- 1 mjacob mjacob 2985034 Feb 18 04:05 mjacob 2928 -rw------- 1 mbarkah mbarkah 2986768 Feb 18 04:02 mbarkah 2928 -rw------- 1 ljo ljo 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 ljo 2928 -rw------- 1 lars lars 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 lars 2928 -rw------- 1 karl karl 2989948 Feb 18 04:02 karl 2928 -rw------- 1 jvh jvh 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 jvh 2928 -rw------- 1 jgreco jgreco 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 jgreco 2928 -rw------- 1 graichen graichen 2987417 Feb 18 04:02 graichen 2928 -rw------- 1 davidn davidn 2988959 Feb 18 04:02 davidn 2928 -rw------- 1 darrenr darrenr 2985034 Feb 18 04:02 darrenr 2928 -rw------- 1 brandon brandon 2985034 Feb 18 04:05 brandon 936 -rw------- 1 vanilla vanilla 945964 Feb 18 04:05 vanilla 792 -rw------- 1 wosch wosch 796801 Feb 18 04:02 wosch 448 -rw------- 1 jhs jhs 445223 Feb 18 03:39 jhs 264 -rw------- 1 wilko wilko 255243 Feb 18 00:47 wilko 200 -rw------- 1 adam adam 195855 Jan 25 09:56 adam 192 -rw------- 1 hsu hsu 182838 Feb 18 04:02 hsu 144 -rw------- 1 smace smace 135920 Jan 24 18:22 smace 128 -rw------- 1 dima dima 115147 Jan 23 19:33 dima 112 -rw------- 1 jseger jseger 100510 Feb 18 04:05 jseger 112 -rw------- 1 john john 102757 Feb 17 20:05 john ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- This is the moderated mailing list freebsd-announce. The list contains announcements of new FreeBSD capabilities, important events and project milestones. See also the FreeBSD Web pages at http://www.freebsd.org To unsubscribe from freebsd-announce, send a mail to majordomo@freebsd.org with the body unsubscribe freebsd-announce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-announce" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 05:04:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02743 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02624 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02700 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:03:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802181303.FAA02700@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Current kernel failure under heavy swap load Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:03:34 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some users of both -current and -stable have been reporting kernel failures under heavy load. This message characterises this problem, offers a short-term workaround, and solicits input from the community to develop a solution. The kernel failure is characterised by a fatal kernel trap (12) in the wfdstrategy() function. The trap occurs regardless of whether a 'wfd' device is in use or not. It is possible for this failure to silently corrupt data on a mounted 'wfd' disk instead. wfdstrategy() is called because the 'wfd' block device major number (1) is shared with the vm subsystem internal device 'sw'. In order to avoid this failure, users should remove the 'wfd' driver from their kernel configuration until the issue is resolved. Background: The 'wfd' driver was recently assigned major 1 in an attempt to minimise the extra bulk required in the bootblocks to support booting from ATAPI removable disks (LS-120, Iomega Zip). The 'sw' pseudo-device is provided as a convenient mechanism for accessing the swstrategy() routine from within the vm system. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 06:09:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12525 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:09:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from omnix.net (omnix.net [194.183.217.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12478 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:09:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by omnix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA23960; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:12:26 GMT (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:12:26 +0100 (CET) From: Didier Derny To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: bea@mail.dotcom.fr Subject: cdrom recorder Yamaha CRW4260t Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm about to buy a Yamaha CRW4260t cdrom recorder, I tried one recently and have been unable to record a cd either with cdrecord or cd-write. Do you have any idea on how I could use the existing program and / or add the support in these program for the CRW4260t ? Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny didier@omnix.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 06:20:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14766 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.jmrodgers.com ([205.247.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14700 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: from max.jmrodgers.com (max.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.209]) by mail.jmrodgers.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07113; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:16:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD3C4C.4336FC60.meuston@jmrodgers.com> From: Max Euston To: "'ac199@hwcn.org'" Cc: "'FreeBSD Hackers'" , "'Mike Smith'" Subject: RE: Modifications to more(1) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:04:46 -0500 Organization: J.M. Rodgers Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, February 18, 1998 5:09 AM, Tim Vanderhoek [SMTP:ac199@hwcn.org] wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Max Euston wrote: > [...discussion of investigating previous revisions of a small set of files...] > > This is easiest to do using the CVSweb interface at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/. It's reasonably > intuitive. :) > > If you have access to a copy of the (large) CVS repository, you > can extract any desired version with cvs co -D date, -r tag (eg. > RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE), or a single file with -r version.number. > Instead of having the whole cvs repo locally, you could probably > get away with just the CVSROOT and src/usr.bin/more from > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-cvs/. (Since you can > probably discover how long -# hasn't worked from just one or two > files, it's probably easiest to use CVSweb). > > eg. > > $ cvs co --help > $ cvs co -r 1.3 src/usr.bin/more/more.c (or whatever) > I will use the web interface this time (I thought the repository might be _large_ - I will look at installing and keeping it updated on a new, larger machine I am setting up for FreeBSD). [...discussion of (broken) '-#' option in more(1)...] > FWIW, it's probably safe to remove the option without even > checking how long it hasn't worked, although just looking at the > cvs history, I suspect it hasn't worked for a long time. What > was it actually supposed to do, again? (since I've already got a > couple old versions checked-out I can just try it now :). > >From the code: it is to set the screen height of the terminal (override TERM=); you can quickly see this in 'more/option.c'. >From an (old) AT&T SVR4 system: '-#' does not exist, but '+#' is used to start paging at line '#' and '+/' is to start paging at the RE . (Was it's intended use? - I don't know, but probably so). [...install source or binary for CVSup...] > It takes some serious machinery to build CVSup (mostly due to its > modula-3 requirements, I think). A lot of people use the package, > I believe. Note that CVSup and CVS are two different (but very > closely related) things. > Thanks, Mike said this too (I guess access to all that source code just made me Ga-Ga :-) I will install the binary. > > > If I make changes to existing source code that does NOT follow current > > FreeBSD style (indents, header files, etc...), is it proper to maintain the > > style of the existing code or should I use the newer format? (e.g. should I > > "#include " or "extern char *strcat()")? > > Yes. Follow existing style. Or restyle according to style(9). > Don't try to combine the two. :) In general. Style is style, > and whoever reviews/commits it may have their own opinion, but > the easiest thing to do is follow the existing style unless it is > significantly dysfunctional. > > (Using "extern char *strcat()" is probably dysfunctional, and I > would "#include "...) > I had looked at style(9), but wasn't sure that it should _always_ be followed. My intention (and habit) was to maintain the original code's style unless I made massive changes or had a major problem with it. BTW: style(9) is _very_ close to my own personal preference (that made me very happy 8-). The only minor difference is that I DO include {} around 1-line blocks in an 'if' statement (since many of us have added an indented line to existing code and not always seen that we need to bracket it) - I will get used to that :( > > > Should I change the 'sccsid[]' date and/or version number? > > No. > As I thought - thanks. > You can even comment-out the sccsid[] and add > > static const char rcsid[] = > "$Id$"; > > after it. See for example > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/su/su.c.diff?r1=1.11&r 2=1.12/. > Or you can just leave that part untouched. > I will leave it alone (I knew this was from the (old) SCCS system - I used to use it a looong time ago). > > -- > tIM...HOEk > OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names > hoping that the resultant code will run faster. > Thanks to you and Mike for the feedback! ----- Max Euston Sysadm, Programmer, etc... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 07:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26988 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:28:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spiv.fnal.gov (spiv.fnal.gov [131.225.124.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26975 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neswold@fnal.gov) Received: from localhost (neswold@localhost) by spiv.fnal.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09776; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:30:23 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: spiv.fnal.gov: neswold owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:30:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard M. Neswold" Reply-To: neswold@fnal.gov To: Capriotti cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980218061444.009144c0@pop.mpc.com.br> Message-ID: X-Spambot-Food: abuse@localhost postmaster@localhost abuse@fbi.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Capriotti wrote: > I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work > with X. > > Anyone out there w/ the same problem ? Any solution ? I had problems using the S3V server; there was constant video corruption and the fonts in the virtual terminals were blasted beyond recognition. According to the XFree86 documentation, the SVGA server has better support for the ViRGE chips than the S3V server. It also mentions that future versions of the S3V server will incorporate the code from the SVGA server. Anyways, I now use the SVGA server. It recognizes the ViRGE/DX chip and performs very well. One bad point: I can't get 32/24 bpp to work without some video corruption -- but 16 bpp works fine... Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Neswold, Accelerator Div./Controls Dept | neswold@fnal.gov Fermilab, PO Box 500, MS 347, Batavia, IL 60510 | voice (630) 840-3454 'finger neswold@aduxb.fnal.gov' for PGP key | fax (630) 840-3093 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 07:54:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01013 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:54:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00926 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id KAA02203; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:53:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980218105333.09607@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:53:33 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: neswold@fnal.gov Cc: Capriotti , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card References: <3.0.32.19980218061444.009144c0@pop.mpc.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Richard M. Neswold on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:30:23AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:30:23AM -0600, Richard M. Neswold wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Capriotti wrote: > > > I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work ^^^^^^ This could be the source of the corruption you're seeing -- the EDO ICs just do *not* perform as well as real video RAM, but they're cheaper and that's probably why they're used on a ``brandless'' card. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. > > with X. > > > > Anyone out there w/ the same problem ? Any solution ? > > I had problems using the S3V server; there was constant video corruption and > the fonts in the virtual terminals were blasted beyond recognition. > According to the XFree86 documentation, the SVGA server has better support > for the ViRGE chips than the S3V server. It also mentions that future > versions of the S3V server will incorporate the code from the SVGA server. > > Anyways, I now use the SVGA server. It recognizes the ViRGE/DX chip and > performs very well. One bad point: I can't get 32/24 bpp to work without > some video corruption -- but 16 bpp works fine... > > Rich > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Richard Neswold, Accelerator Div./Controls Dept | neswold@fnal.gov > Fermilab, PO Box 500, MS 347, Batavia, IL 60510 | voice (630) 840-3454 > 'finger neswold@aduxb.fnal.gov' for PGP key | fax (630) 840-3093 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 08:11:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04141 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:11:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04114 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA22580 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:11:08 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailreader with "multiple personalities"? In-Reply-To: <199802180053.QAA03808@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Hmm. Mutt reminds me too much of my old VT100 days. 8( > > > > In which way? It's one of the most flexible MUAs out there. > > Rectangular character cells. All the better to read Terry's ASCII-art, no? ;-) Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 08:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06462 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06347 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04844; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:20:17 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02048; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:20:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980218172015.22080@follo.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:20:15 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed overwrite clue? References: <19980218002852.55010@follo.net> <199802180017.QAA03678@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802180017.QAA03678@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 04:17:47PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 04:17:47PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I'm about to start trigging some crashdumps on purpose now, so I can > > > > get a good look at how a dump for an OK case is. > > > > > > Do you have any custom code in the kernel? > > > > Yes. And the system won't boot without it, so ripping it out is > > really not an option. I could try to revert as much as possible, but > > it really doesn't look like any of the code that is revertible is at > > fault; almost none of it has been excersised yet. > > The only reason I asked was inre: stack overflow. Interesting new data point - this diff segment @@ -2616,7 +2661,9 @@ void edintr(unit) int unit; { + if ((unsigned long)&unit == 0xefbfffd8) + return; edintr_sc (&ed_softc[unit]); } almost completely stopped the errors. The crashes usually happen at a fixed stack offset; after adding this patch it seemed to be between 100x and 1000x harder to crash. (I've only run two test-runs so far; I've started another, but now it takes time to provoke a crash). The new crashes would have been blocked by a compare against 0xefbfffcc; I'm going to try to add this, and see if there are even more layers here. The above patch is not a solution; each time it triggers, it blocks all incoming data until another outgoing packet has been sent. It is just an interesting point. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 08:32:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08463 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user28981@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA08338 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:31:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 18 Feb 1998 16:39:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:39:10 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: Norman C Rice cc: neswold@fnal.gov, Capriotti , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card In-Reply-To: <19980218105333.09607@emu.sourcee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lots of cards are using EDO DRAM that do not have font corruption. I have font corruption on one machine w/ a S3 ViRGE (older one), using either AcceleratedX or XFree86. Win95 has no problem whatsoever. Maybe 95 doesn't do any font caching... In 16bpp 1024x768, you are only using 1024x768x16/8 = 1.57MB of video RAM. The remaining half meg (or 2.5 MB for 4MB cards) or so goes to font caching and backing store. This is where we all get punched. One thing that helped me (a bit) was to: # for i in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/*.gz; do > gunzip $i > compress `echo $i | awk -F. '{print $1}'` > done # mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc The newer XFree uses gzipped fonts, and I have had more luck with normal or uncompressed fonts. There is also a way to turn off font caching, but I can't remember how. My machine w/ the problem runs mainly as a server, so I gave up on trying to fix it rather quickly. Kevin On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:30:23AM -0600, Richard M. Neswold wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Capriotti wrote: > > > > > I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work > ^^^^^^ > This could be the source of the corruption you're seeing -- the EDO ICs > just do *not* perform as well as real video RAM, but they're cheaper and > that's probably why they're used on a ``brandless'' card. > -- > Regards, > Norman C. Rice, Jr. > > > > with X. > > > > > > Anyone out there w/ the same problem ? Any solution ? > > > > I had problems using the S3V server; there was constant video corruption and > > the fonts in the virtual terminals were blasted beyond recognition. > > According to the XFree86 documentation, the SVGA server has better support > > for the ViRGE chips than the S3V server. It also mentions that future > > versions of the S3V server will incorporate the code from the SVGA server. > > > > Anyways, I now use the SVGA server. It recognizes the ViRGE/DX chip and > > performs very well. One bad point: I can't get 32/24 bpp to work without > > some video corruption -- but 16 bpp works fine... > > > > Rich > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Richard Neswold, Accelerator Div./Controls Dept | neswold@fnal.gov > > Fermilab, PO Box 500, MS 347, Batavia, IL 60510 | voice (630) 840-3454 > > 'finger neswold@aduxb.fnal.gov' for PGP key | fax (630) 840-3093 > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15239 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:09:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns01.sbphrd.com (firewall-user@ns01.sbphrd.com [208.198.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15228 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:09:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com) Received: by ns01.sbphrd.com; id KAA28817; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:40:26 -0500 Received: from phinet.sbphrd.com(139.136.64.5) by ns01.sbphrd.com via smap (3.2) id xma028661; Wed, 18 Feb 98 10:40:12 -0500 Received: from phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com by phinet.sbphrd.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/06Mar95-1250PM) id AA06089; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:40:11 -0500 Received: by phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/23Jul97-1142AM) id AA28232; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:40:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:40:10 -0500 Message-Id: <9802181540.AA28232@phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com> From: "William S. Morgart" To: neswold@fnal.gov Cc: capriotti@geocities.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: (neswold@fnal.gov) Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card Reply-To: morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI --- Support for the S3 Virge/DX card is present and works in XFree86 3.3.1 in both the SVGA and S3V servers, but ... the S3 Virge/DX is new so previous versions* are not likely to support it. The SVGA server with the XAA support is supposed to be a faster server (according to the XFree release notes) than the S3V server. * I'm not sure when support wasadded but since the card is fairly new I'd be willing to bet that it's only supported in 3.3.1 ... ** I'm running a generic S3 Virge/DX card under FreeBSD 3.0-SMP with XFree 3.3.1 and it works fine although I haven't tried it at 16bpp and 32bpp. Regards, Bill Morgart morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17999 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:21:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17918 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0y5DAY-0000Yc-00; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:20:26 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA07880; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:20:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802181720.KAA07880@harmony.village.org> To: Zoltan Sebestyen Subject: Re: IOMEGA's zip driver. Cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:55:44 +0100." References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:20:25 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Zoltan Sebestyen writes: : OK, you're right, I must have been more accurate. Is there a bug-list of : the aic driver somewhere? No. However, I've seen the following problems with it on my system here: o Tapes don't detect end of media o Sometimes tape actions cause system panics o heavy (or sometimes light) disk I/O causes panics o cdrom I/O usually works, but sometimes causes panics o swapping to a disk on a aic controller panics quickly So I only use the aic controller that I have for light cdrom activity and it seems to be fine with that. I have an adaptech 1522A (6360 based), which works a lot better than the 1522 that I have as well. The 1522 (6250? based) I have usually probes, but not much else. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19817 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:28:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (root@mail3.aracnet.com [205.159.88.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19765; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beattie@aracnet.com) Received: from shelob.aracnet.com (beattie@shelob.aracnet.com [205.159.88.2]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20869; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:28:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by shelob.aracnet.com (8.8.5) id JAA23052; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:28:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Beattie To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: looking for soemthing to do. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please excuse me if this is a duplicate. I'm looking for a project that woudl get me back into the kernel. I've hacjed around in several UNIX kernels going back to V6 but have only looked at the FreeBSD kernel so far. I was thinking about getting an Advansys SCSI controller and writting a driver for that but I also noticed a note indicating that work was needed on the SCSI drivers to support CAM. I have in my posession the following Adaptec controllers 1522, 1542, 2940U. While I could just dive in and start working I woudl really like to coordinate my efforts so as to not duplicate the work of others. I have sent mail to Justin asking about this but have received no reply. On the assumption that he is away or too busy to reply I am asking for input from the mailing list. Anbody got an advice? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:38:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21822 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:38:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21644 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:37:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id MAA02559; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:36:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980218123643.59849@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:36:43 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com Cc: neswold@fnal.gov, capriotti@geocities.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card References: <9802181540.AA28232@phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <9802181540.AA28232@phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com>; from William S. Morgart on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 10:40:10AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 10:40:10AM -0500, William S. Morgart wrote: > FYI > --- > Support for the S3 Virge/DX card is present and works in XFree86 3.3.1 > in both the SVGA and S3V servers, but ... the S3 Virge/DX is new so > previous versions* are not likely to support it. > > The SVGA server with the XAA support is supposed to be a faster > server (according to the XFree release notes) than the S3V server. > > > * I'm not sure when support wasadded but since the card is fairly new > I'd be willing to bet that it's only supported in 3.3.1 ... > > ** I'm running a generic S3 Virge/DX card under FreeBSD 3.0-SMP with > XFree 3.3.1 and it works fine although I haven't tried it at 16bpp and > 32bpp. > > > Regards, > > Bill Morgart > morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message I am running in 24bpp mode (1280x1024) with the latest S3V driver and have not experienced any problems. Here's an excerpt from /etc/XF86Config. Section "Device" Identifier "S3-Virge VX" VendorName "Diamond" BoardName "Stealth 3D 3000" #VideoRam 4096 -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22635 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22514 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:40:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id MAA02517; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:28:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980218122843.00677@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:28:43 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: Atipa Cc: neswold@fnal.gov, Capriotti , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S3 Virge/DX video card References: <19980218105333.09607@emu.sourcee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Atipa on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:39:10AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:39:10AM -0700, Atipa wrote: > > Lots of cards are using EDO DRAM that do not have font corruption. I have > font corruption on one machine w/ a S3 ViRGE (older one), using either > AcceleratedX or XFree86. Win95 has no problem whatsoever. Maybe 95 > doesn't do any font caching... > > In 16bpp 1024x768, you are only using 1024x768x16/8 = 1.57MB of video > RAM. The remaining half meg (or 2.5 MB for 4MB cards) or so goes to font > caching and backing store. This is where we all get punched. ...and this is where the difference between the two technologies is going to be most apparent. I am not stating that EDO cannot be used, just that it does not perform as well as true video RAM -- data access time in all modes; not just the modes that the marketing folks want to push, i.e., fast extended data out page mode. Obviously, if the data access time requirements are slow enough, then most any RAM will work -- but when you start to push technology, you can get less than stellar performance. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. > > One thing that helped me (a bit) was to: > # for i in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/*.gz; do > > gunzip $i > > compress `echo $i | awk -F. '{print $1}'` > > done > # mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc > > The newer XFree uses gzipped fonts, and I have had more luck with normal > or uncompressed fonts. > > There is also a way to turn off font caching, but I can't remember how. My > machine w/ the problem runs mainly as a server, so I gave up on trying to > fix it rather quickly. > > Kevin > > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 09:30:23AM -0600, Richard M. Neswold wrote: > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Capriotti wrote: > > > > > > > I'm havin problems to make a brandless S3 Virge/DX 4MB EDORAM card to work > > ^^^^^^ > > This could be the source of the corruption you're seeing -- the EDO ICs > > just do *not* perform as well as real video RAM, but they're cheaper and > > that's probably why they're used on a ``brandless'' card. > > -- > > Regards, > > Norman C. Rice, Jr. > > > > > > with X. > > > > > > > > Anyone out there w/ the same problem ? Any solution ? > > > > > > I had problems using the S3V server; there was constant video corruption and > > > the fonts in the virtual terminals were blasted beyond recognition. > > > According to the XFree86 documentation, the SVGA server has better support > > > for the ViRGE chips than the S3V server. It also mentions that future > > > versions of the S3V server will incorporate the code from the SVGA server. > > > > > > Anyways, I now use the SVGA server. It recognizes the ViRGE/DX chip and > > > performs very well. One bad point: I can't get 32/24 bpp to work without > > > some video corruption -- but 16 bpp works fine... > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Richard Neswold, Accelerator Div./Controls Dept | neswold@fnal.gov > > > Fermilab, PO Box 500, MS 347, Batavia, IL 60510 | voice (630) 840-3454 > > > 'finger neswold@aduxb.fnal.gov' for PGP key | fax (630) 840-3093 > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:49:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24771 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:49:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24643 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0y5DcD-0000ZX-00; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:49:01 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA08162 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:49:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802181749.KAA08162@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Serial Consoles Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:49:00 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I'm trying to put together several machines tha thave a serial console. I'd like to make it possible to login on these consoles from time to time, or to run the debugger from them (ddb). Is there anything like a consoled that is available? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25802 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newserv.urc.ac.ru (newserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25188; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:52:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.37]) by newserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24422; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:06 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <34EB1F8A.A2543E68@urc.ac.ru> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:06 +0500 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: South Ural Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Some problems with raw IP programming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, IP networking gurus :-) Please help me to solve these problems: I wrote a small daemon using tun* devices for IP-in-IP tunnel. (Did not like any soft I saw before :-) It works almost fine (under 2.2.5-STABLE), but has 3 problems. 1. I use connected sockets (i.e. bind() and connect()): --- struct in_addr local_ip, remote_ip ; int raw_ip, tunnel, max_fd ; struct sockaddr_in local_ipaddr, remote_ipaddr ; const int true = 1 ; /* Initialization of local_ip and remote_ip with inet_aton() stripped... */ raw_ip = socket( PF_INET, SOCK_RAW, IPPROTO_IPIP ) ; if( is_syserror( raw_ip < 0, LOG_ERR, "Can't open raw socket" ) ) return ; if( is_syserror( setsockopt( raw_ip, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, & true, sizeof( true ) ), LOG_WARNING, "Can't reuse local address %s", local_addr ) ) err_printf() ; remote_ipaddr.sin_family = AF_INET ; remote_ipaddr.sin_addr = remote_ip ; if( is_syserror( connect( raw_ip, (struct sockaddr *)(& remote_ipaddr), sizeof( remote_ipaddr ) ), LOG_ERR, "Can't connect to remote address %s", remote_addr ) ) return ; local_ipaddr.sin_family = AF_INET ; local_ipaddr.sin_addr = local_ip ; local_ipaddr.sin_port = 0 ; if( is_syserror( bind( raw_ip, (struct sockaddr *)(& local_ipaddr), sizeof( local_ipaddr ) ), LOG_WARNING, "Can't bind socket to local address %s", local_addr ) ) err_printf() ; --- Running the daemon, I get: RR03:~# /usr/local/sbin/ipipd -i tun0 195.54.2.138 195.54.5.39 ipipd: Can't bind socket to local address 195.54.2.138: Can't assign requested address RR03:~# This error has number 49 - EADDRNOTAVAIL. But: RR03:~# ifconfig -a sl0: flags=9011 mtu 552 inet 195.54.2.138 --> 195.54.2.137 netmask 0xffffff00 Now I just ignore this error, and all works. Since there is only one route to the remote end of the tunnel, and it is through sl0 interface, I can be sure that IPIP packets have the source address 195.54.2.138. But if I have several possible routes (interfaces) from the local side of the tunnel, then the router at the remote end may reject packets with another source address :-( The same picture with fxp0 interface. Any suggestions? 2. When I receive IPIP (ICMP-in-IP, pinging through a tunnel) packets from the raw socket: --- size = recv( raw_ip, buffer, sizeof( buffer ), 0 ) ; if( is_syserror( size < 0, LOG_CRIT, "Can't read from %s", "raw socket" ) ) return ; h_len = (unsigned)( ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_hl ) << 2 ; /* log_printf( LOG_INFO, "Size=%d, ip_len=%d, h_len=%d\n", size, ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len, h_len ) ; */ size = write( tunnel, buffer + h_len, /* ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len */ size - h_len ) ; --- h_len is equal to 20 (the correct size of the IP packet without any options); size (the result of recv() or read()) is equal to 104 (20 bytes for the envelope IP header, other 20 ones for the internal IP (ICMP) header, other 64 for the ICMP body); the ICMP packet INSIDE the IPIP header looks pretty good, BUT: ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len is 84 !!! i.e. EXACTLY 20 less then the "size" variable and always EQUAL TO the size of the ENCLOSED IP packet. So I have to use "size - hlen" for writing packets into tun*, or "((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len", but not "((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len - hlen" IP format description says the last should be correct, but it is not. 3. Sometimes (very seldom, can happen once a week), I get a message in syslog: Feb 11 03:50:05 Chelyabinsk-RNOC-RR03 ipipd[6835]: Can't write to raw socket: No buffer space available or Feb 18 22:13:45 Chelyabinsk-RNOC-RR03 ipipd[17393]: Can't write to raw socket: N o route to host This is from the code: --- size = write( raw_ip, buffer, size ) ; if( is_syserror( size < 0, LOG_CRIT, "Can't write to %s", "raw socket" ) ) { err_printf() ; continue ; } --- I ignore this error, preferring to lose a packet than to make a program more complicate (now it is just one endless loop with select() inside). But sometimes (even more seldom) that error causes the daemon to behave strange: Ping to the opposite side of the tunnel doesn't work. When I tcpdump the tun0 interface, I see packets in both directions, and I see the packets from the tunnel forwarded to other interfaces. When I tcpdump the sl0 interface (through which the tunnel comes), I see ONLY IPIP packets from the opposite side. When I restart the daemon, all gets OK. What can it be? Sorry for so long questions :-) Thanks. -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, Joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 09:59:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26710 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (michaels@mail3.aracnet.com [205.159.88.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26524; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beattie@aracnet.com) Received: from shelob.aracnet.com (beattie@shelob.aracnet.com [205.159.88.2]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15136; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:54:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by shelob.aracnet.com (8.8.5) id GAA19677; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:54:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:54:18 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Beattie To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: looking for soemthing to do. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking for a project that woudl get me back into the kernel. I've hacjed around in several UNIX kernels going back to V6 but have only looked at the FreeBSD kernel so far. I was thinking about getting an Advansys SCSI controller and writting a driver for that but I also noticed a note indicating that work was needed on the SCSI drivers to support CAM. I have in my posession the following Adaptec controllers 1522, 1542, 2940U. While I could just dive in and start working I woudl really like to coordinate my efforts so as to not duplicate the work of others. I have sent mail to Justin asking about this but have received no reply. On the assumption that he is away or too busy to reply I am asking for input from the mailing list. Anbody got an advice? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 10:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29680 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29593 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA04081; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:03:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:03:26 +0100 (MET) To: Fred Gilham Cc: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <199802172259.OAA11624@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 18 Feb 1998 19:03:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: Fred Gilham's message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:59:22 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fred Gilham writes: > With the ASUS T2P4 you have to make sure you buy a tag ram chip that > the board doesn't come with. This chip is necessary to allow the > board to cache more than 64meg. Bzzzt, wrong. This hasn't been necessary since at least mid-1996, when COAST 3.0 became widespread. ASUSTek T2P4 motherboards requires an extra tag chip *or* a cache module newer than mid-1996 (ASUS CMU 3.0 or newer, or any module compliant with COAST 3.0 or newer). When I bought my T2P4 (a P/I-XP55T2P4 rev. 1.3) in December 1996, i bought a 256 kB ASUS CMU 3.1 cache module to go with it, bringing the amount of L2 cache to a total of 512 kB. Of course, if you *don't* want to add cache to the motherboard, you *will* need a tag chip. But i honestly can't see why you'd want to do that, since an original 256 kB ASUSTek COAST module costs somewhere around $50, and makes a significant difference in performance in >64M systems. But all this is really academic since, to the best of my knowledge, ASUSTek stopped producing T2P4 boards at least half a year ago. If you *do* find a T2P4 floating around somewhere, then by all means, go for it. It's one of the best Pentium motherboards ever made. But make sure it's a rev. 3.0 or newer, since older boards don't have split voltage (i.e. don't support MMX processors) and classic Pentium processors are getting hard to find. I am definitely *not* going to buy a new motherboard / processor until the Slot II Deschutes hits the market and high-end LX motherboards become affordable and reliable. -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 10:24:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01792 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01751 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:23:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Wed Feb 18 12:06 CST 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com (dcn71.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.112]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA18461 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:11:35 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Home computer for FreeBSD Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:25:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I've moved to US and now came to the point when I can spend some money for a home computer. Now about the problems. I want an inexpensive (read: no brand names) and customarily configured (read: no brand names) computer that will surely run under FreeBSD. In Russia I solved it in a simple way: I had friends selling computers so I was able to try the computer with FreeBSD before buying. Can anyone suggest some way of doing the same here ? May be, like buying, trying, then returning back if it does not work ? I remember that someone here was selling computers even with FreeBSD preinstalled. May be any advises/experiences on where to buy/not buy by mail or what new hardware compatibility problems were recently encountered ? I did not read this list for a few last months, so I probably have missed some information. That's what approximately I want to get, and the questions about it: Pentium or AMD-K6 166MHz processor. I would prefer even 133MHz and save money but I can't see them on sale. Is it better to buy AMD due to the recently reported problems with GDT (LDT?) on Intel ? PCI motherboard with as many PCI slots as possible. Minimum 4 (plus PCI IDE), better 6. Which chipsets are recommended as stable ? Which PCI bridges are supported by FreeBSD ? And at least 3 slots for memory SIMMs (6 slots for 32-bit SIMMs). I want to start with low amount of memory like 64M in one slot and be able to add it later. CL5440 video card. The only problem is that it seems to be pretty rare. Which other cards do have good support under FreeBSD ? The performance is not critical, my only requirement is support of 1024x768 with 80Hz or higher, and stable work. And lower price. Symbios/NCR SCSI card. Is Sony CD-R drive compatible with Phillips ? If not, is it supported in FreeBSD ? Thank you in advance for any recommendations! -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 10:28:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02692 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:28:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csla.csl.sri.com (csla.csl.sri.com [192.12.33.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02609 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:27:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from japonica.csl.sri.com (japonica.csl.sri.com [130.107.4.41]) by csla.csl.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08266 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from japonica.csl.sri.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by japonica.csl.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00541 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:27:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802181827.KAA00541@japonica.csl.sri.com> To: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-reply-to: Your message of "18 Feb 1998 19:03:24 +0100." Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:27:38 -0800 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) wrote: ---------------------------------------- Fred Gilham writes: > With the ASUS T2P4 you have to make sure you buy a tag ram chip that > the board doesn't come with. This chip is necessary to allow the > board to cache more than 64meg. Bzzzt, wrong. This hasn't been necessary since at least mid-1996, when COAST 3.0 became widespread. ASUSTek T2P4 motherboards requires an extra tag chip *or* a cache module newer than mid-1996 (ASUS CMU 3.0 or newer, or any module compliant with COAST 3.0 or newer). When I bought my T2P4 (a P/I-XP55T2P4 rev. 1.3) in December 1996, i bought a 256 kB ASUS CMU 3.1 cache module to go with it, bringing the amount of L2 cache to a total of 512 kB. ---------------------------------------- Well, I've got a P/I-P55T2P4 with 512k cache on-board (no COAST module). The manual has a date of May, 1997. This board requires the tag ram to cache more than 64M of main memory. Annoying, in my view. It is a good motherboard, though. It'll run an 83mhz bus and do ECC, as well as accepting up to 512M of RAM. -Fred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 11:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10552 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:03:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10439 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA01468; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:35:43 -0800 (PST) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav) cc: Fred Gilham , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-reply-to: Your message of "18 Feb 1998 19:03:24 +0100." Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:35:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1462.887826942@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > But all this is really academic since, to the best of my knowledge, > ASUSTek stopped producing T2P4 boards at least half a year ago. That reminds me... Anyone out there got a P54NP4 dual-Pentium motherboard they want to donate to the FreeBSD Project? ;-) We wanted to build an SMP "spam box" for testing and got all the parts together when we found out that our surplus P54NP4 board was actually dead, so now we have everything ready but no motherboard, a quick check of all the local stores also turning up the fact that nobody's SELLING dual-Pentium mobos anymore so far as we're able to determine. Failing that we'll build a dual-P6 box since the P6/180 is a great deal right now, but it seems sort of a waste of horsepower for a machine which will spend most of its time powered off between tests. ;-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 11:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15000 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:17:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14889 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:17:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA04661; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:17:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id NAA16534; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:17:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980218131706.14884@mcs.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:17:06 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav , Fred Gilham , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <1462.887826942@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <1462.887826942@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 10:35:42AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 10:35:42AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > But all this is really academic since, to the best of my knowledge, > > ASUSTek stopped producing T2P4 boards at least half a year ago. > > That reminds me... Anyone out there got a P54NP4 dual-Pentium > motherboard they want to donate to the FreeBSD Project? ;-) > > We wanted to build an SMP "spam box" for testing and got all the parts > together when we found out that our surplus P54NP4 board was actually > dead, so now we have everything ready but no motherboard, a quick > check of all the local stores also turning up the fact that nobody's > SELLING dual-Pentium mobos anymore so far as we're able to determine. > > Failing that we'll build a dual-P6 box since the P6/180 is a great > deal right now, but it seems sort of a waste of horsepower for a > machine which will spend most of its time powered off between > tests. ;-) > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Will an EISA MB work for you? I might be able to scrape one of those up, and they do work, although I've never tested the SNP code on FreeBSD against it - in Uniprocessor mode they are fine. Is the FreeBSD thing a 501c? -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex support on ALL modems Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 11:34:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20331 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tbird.cc.bellcore.com (tbird.cc.bellcore.com [128.96.96.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20203 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:33:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khansen@njcc.com) Received: from monolith.bellcore.com by tbird.cc.bellcore.com with SMTP id AA05223 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:38:17 -0500 Received: from khansen.cc.bellcore.com by monolith.bellcore.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA16208; Wed, 18 Feb 98 14:33:05 EST Message-Id: <34EB3777.1CA8@njcc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:33:11 -0500 From: Ken Hansen Reply-To: khansen@njcc.com Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav , Fred Gilham , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase References: <1462.887826942@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan, I do not have a "spare" dual P5 motherboard, but I did get a nice dual pentium Micron board for $99 from www.a1pc.com (the part is not listed on their web page, but is in their print ads). It is a FULL AT motherboard w/512K cache and built-in I/O and PS/2 connectors. The part number is M54Pe, and it is PCI/ISA - not sure about FreeBSD compatability (haven't tried it yet), but it is a nice WinNT box and has lots of memory slots (8 IIRC). Hope this helps, Ken Hansen khansen@njcc.com Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > But all this is really academic since, to the best of my knowledge, > > ASUSTek stopped producing T2P4 boards at least half a year ago. > > That reminds me... Anyone out there got a P54NP4 dual-Pentium > motherboard they want to donate to the FreeBSD Project? ;-) > > We wanted to build an SMP "spam box" for testing and got all the parts > together when we found out that our surplus P54NP4 board was actually > dead, so now we have everything ready but no motherboard, a quick > check of all the local stores also turning up the fact that nobody's > SELLING dual-Pentium mobos anymore so far as we're able to determine. > > Failing that we'll build a dual-P6 box since the P6/180 is a great > deal right now, but it seems sort of a waste of horsepower for a > machine which will spend most of its time powered off between > tests. ;-) > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 11:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21164 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kai.nectar.com (kai.nectar.com [204.27.67.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20874 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@kai.nectar.com) Received: from kai.nectar.com (localhost.nectar.com [127.0.0.1]) by kai.nectar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09950 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:02:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802181902.NAA09950@kai.nectar.com> From: Jacques Vidrine To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Laptop opinions! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:02:58 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi everyone, I seem to recall scanning by several emails regarding problems getting FreeBSD to work on IBM ThinkPads. I'm about to purchase a new laptop, and I would like to hear about peoples' experience with ThinkPads and Compaq Armadas, or others if you feel strongly about them :-) In particular, I'm looking at a ThinkPad 560X... For what it is worth, I currently have a Texas Instruments (Acer really) laptop that works fairly well under FreeBSD, with only a couple of annoynaces: (1) there is some BIOS PC Card support called ``CardBus'', that prevents PC Cards from working under FreeBSD when enabled and prevents PC Cards from working under Windows 95 when disabled; (2) I can't seem to figure out how to turn off ``clicking'' on the built-in TouchPad ... very annoying when typing under X ... Thanks for any input! Jacques Vidrine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 11:59:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27502 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:59:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns01.sbphrd.com (firewall-user@ns01.sbphrd.com [208.198.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27488 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com) Received: by ns01.sbphrd.com; id OAA19421; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:59:04 -0500 Received: from phinet.sbphrd.com(139.136.64.5) by ns01.sbphrd.com via smap (3.2) id xma019150; Wed, 18 Feb 98 14:58:33 -0500 Received: from phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com by phinet.sbphrd.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/06Mar95-1250PM) id AA13941; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:58:32 -0500 Received: by phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/23Jul97-1142AM) id AA28969; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:58:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:58:31 -0500 Message-Id: <9802181958.AA28969@phu891.um.us.sbphrd.com> From: "William S. Morgart" To: khansen@njcc.com Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34EB3777.1CA8@njcc.com> (message from Ken Hansen on Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:33:11 -0500) Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase Reply-To: morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Ken" == Ken Hansen writes: Ken> Jordan, I do not have a "spare" dual P5 motherboard, but I did Ken> get a nice dual pentium Micron board for $99 from www.a1pc.com Ken> (the part is not listed on their web page, but is in their print Ken> ads). It is a FULL AT motherboard w/512K cache and built-in I/O Ken> and PS/2 connectors. Ken> The part number is M54Pe, and it is PCI/ISA - not sure about Ken> FreeBSD compatability (haven't tried it yet), but it is a nice Ken> WinNT box and has lots of memory slots (8 IIRC). Ken> Hope this helps, The M54Pe is a PCI/ISA/EISA motherboard that can handle up to 2 plain jane 133 MHz pentiums (MB Rev B, Rev A only goes to 100Mhz). I have the Rev B with 2 133's and am running FreeBSD 3.0 in SMP mode and it runs like a champ! NB: the board supports IMPS 1.1 not 1.4 but this hasn't seemed to cause a problem. Bill Morgart morgarws@molbio.sbphrd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:02:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28221 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:02:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (root@gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28063 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:02:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (mike@localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10927 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802182001.MAA10927@ducky.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:01:34 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recent versions of Wine crash under FreeBSD. There are some workarounds which make it appear to work. However it still doesn't really. The root of the problem is that FreeBSD does not context-switch the FS and GS segment registers, since user-level Unix software doesn't normally use them. However FS at least is used in the Win32 envirnment to point to thread-local data for the current thread. GS may also be used; I'm not familiar enough with Win32 to know for sure. FreeBSD should be modified at the very least to save and restore these registers when switching processes. Arguably they should also be made accessible in the sigcontext structure, as with Linux. There is a binary compatibility problem with this, and maybe it isn't really necessary. It turns out we already have space allocated that we could use for saving FS and GS: this is in the i386tss structure which is part of the process control block at the front of struct user. So all that needs to be done is add a handful of instructions to save and load fs and gs in cpu_switch(), right after the existing code there that saves and restores some other registers in the PCB. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:02:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28353 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28243 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:02:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10269; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:02:01 -0800 (PST) To: Karl Denninger cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav , Fred Gilham , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:17:06 CST." <19980218131706.14884@mcs.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:02:01 -0800 Message-ID: <10265.887832121@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Will an EISA MB work for you? I might be able to scrape one of those up, > and they do work, although I've never tested the SNP code on FreeBSD against > it - in Uniprocessor mode they are fine. EISA, ISA, PCI - it's all fine with us. We just need to be able to use up those extra P5s we have here. > Is the FreeBSD thing a 501c? Nope - too much tax headache every year and we don't pull in enough right now to justify the accountant fees that a properly prepared 501(c)3 return requires. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:15:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01949 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:15:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01712 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07309; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05251; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:10:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:10:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199802182010.NAA05251@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jacques Vidrine Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop opinions! In-Reply-To: <199802181902.NAA09950@kai.nectar.com> References: <199802181902.NAA09950@kai.nectar.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi everyone, > > I seem to recall scanning by several emails regarding problems getting > FreeBSD to work on IBM ThinkPads. I'm about to purchase a new laptop, > and I would like to hear about peoples' experience with ThinkPads and > Compaq Armadas, or others if you feel strongly about them :-) > > In particular, I'm looking at a ThinkPad 560X... They don't work today, but as soon as I can get my hands on one they will. We need folks to add PCMCIA emulation mode to the various CardBus controlles like Ted Faber did for newer laptops to get support for them. Since there are a limited amount of CardBus controllers and they ae similar, it shouldn't be too much work but we need *volunteers* to do it. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:20:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03276 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.netcetera.dk (root@sleipner.netcetera.dk [194.192.207.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03095 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@image.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.netcetera.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA25898 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:14:25 +0100 Received: by swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (0.99.970109) id AA03773; 18 Feb 98 20:17:14 +0100 From: leifn@image.dk (Leif Neland) Date: 18 Feb 98 12:36:07 +0100 Subject: Sunshine eprom-writer Message-ID: <1c0_9802182017@swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk> Organization: Fidonet: Swimsuit Safari. Go for it. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can I use this EW-904BN eprom-writer under FreeBSD? Leif Neland leifn@image.dk --- |Fidonet: Leif Neland 2:234/49 |Internet: leifn@image.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:20:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03361 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:20:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.netcetera.dk (root@sleipner.netcetera.dk [194.192.207.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03163 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:19:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@image.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.netcetera.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA25899 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:14:26 +0100 Received: by swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (0.99.970109) id AA03774; 18 Feb 98 20:17:17 +0100 From: leifn@image.dk (Leif Neland) Date: 18 Feb 98 11:19:02 +0100 Subject: CVSup, was Re: Modifications to more(1) Message-ID: <1c1_9802182017@swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk> References: <199802172310.PAA03414@dingo.cdrom.com> Organization: Fidonet: Swimsuit Safari. Go for it. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 18 Feb 98 00:10:42 Mike Smith wrote regarding Re: Modifications to more(1) in area "freebsd-hacker" >> I am running 2.2.5-release and just started to install & build CVSup when >> my swap space filled during the build - I will have to reconfigure this (or >> download the pre-built binary; not my first choice). MS> The prebuilt binary is the only sensible way to go with CVSup MS> unless you are a total masochist, or are soak-testing a new, MS> extremely powerful system. Yep. I had to kill all daemons and logins, to make it compile on my 24MB/50MB swap machine. Leif Neland leifn@image.dk --- |Fidonet: Leif Neland 2:234/49 |Internet: leifn@image.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:27:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05040 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:27:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04831 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA00495; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:33:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802182033.HAA00495@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers In-Reply-To: <199802182001.MAA10927@ducky.net> from Mike Haertel at "Feb 18, 98 12:01:34 pm" To: mike@ducky.net (Mike Haertel) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:33:17 +1100 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Haertel wrote: > It turns out we already have space allocated that > we could use for saving FS and GS: this is in the > i386tss structure which is part of the process > control block at the front of struct user. So all > that needs to be done is add a handful of instructions > to save and load fs and gs in cpu_switch(), right > after the existing code there that saves and restores > some other registers in the PCB. It has been suggested that we use one of these registers to point to the running thread (in the kernel thread implementation). If you're sure that FS is used in WIN32 to point to thread local storage, then I guess we should use GS for the running thread. Regards, -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06961 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06755; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:32:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10306; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:03:15 -0800 (PST) To: khansen@njcc.com cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav , Fred Gilham , msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:33:11 EST." <34EB3777.1CA8@njcc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:03:15 -0800 Message-ID: <10303.887832195@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for the pointer! We'll look into this. > Jordan, > I do not have a "spare" dual P5 motherboard, but I did get a > nice dual pentium Micron board for $99 from www.a1pc.com (the part is > not listed on their web page, but is in their print ads). It is a > FULL AT motherboard w/512K cache and built-in I/O and PS/2 connectors. > > The part number is M54Pe, and it is PCI/ISA - not sure about FreeBSD > compatability (haven't tried it yet), but it is a nice WinNT box and > has lots of memory slots (8 IIRC). > > Hope this helps, > > Ken Hansen > khansen@njcc.com > > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > But all this is really academic since, to the best of my knowledge, > > > ASUSTek stopped producing T2P4 boards at least half a year ago. > > > > That reminds me... Anyone out there got a P54NP4 dual-Pentium > > motherboard they want to donate to the FreeBSD Project? ;-) > > > > We wanted to build an SMP "spam box" for testing and got all the parts > > together when we found out that our surplus P54NP4 board was actually > > dead, so now we have everything ready but no motherboard, a quick > > check of all the local stores also turning up the fact that nobody's > > SELLING dual-Pentium mobos anymore so far as we're able to determine. > > > > Failing that we'll build a dual-P6 box since the P6/180 is a great > > deal right now, but it seems sort of a waste of horsepower for a > > machine which will spend most of its time powered off between > > tests. ;-) > > > > Jordan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 12:49:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11469 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:49:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11307 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11112; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:46:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:46:42 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav , Fred Gilham , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase In-Reply-To: <1462.887826942@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > But all this is really academic since, to the best of my knowledge, > > ASUSTek stopped producing T2P4 boards at least half a year ago. > > That reminds me... Anyone out there got a P54NP4 dual-Pentium > motherboard they want to donate to the FreeBSD Project? ;-) You could consider the Tyan S1662 Tital Pro, which is cheaply available, and works just fine for smp. I run one, and I think a lot of us do. I have two PPro/166's in mine. > > We wanted to build an SMP "spam box" for testing and got all the parts > together when we found out that our surplus P54NP4 board was actually > dead, so now we have everything ready but no motherboard, a quick > check of all the local stores also turning up the fact that nobody's > SELLING dual-Pentium mobos anymore so far as we're able to determine. > > Failing that we'll build a dual-P6 box since the P6/180 is a great > deal right now, but it seems sort of a waste of horsepower for a > machine which will spend most of its time powered off between > tests. ;-) > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 13:11:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16223 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16151 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29319; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:42:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id OAA27299; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:42:15 -0600 Message-ID: <19980218144215.13005@right.PCS> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:42:15 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Mike Haertel Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers References: <199802182001.MAA10927@ducky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <199802182001.MAA10927@ducky.net>; from Mike Haertel on Feb 02, 1998 at 12:01:34PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Feb 02, 1998 at 12:01:34PM -0800, Mike Haertel wrote: > The root of the problem is that FreeBSD does not > context-switch the FS and GS segment registers, > since user-level Unix software doesn't normally use > them. However FS at least is used in the Win32 > envirnment to point to thread-local data for the > current thread. GS may also be used; I'm not familiar > enough with Win32 to know for sure. revision 1.52 date: 1997/06/07 04:36:10; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +13 -1 Preserve %fs and %gs across context switches. This has a relatively low cost since it is only done in cpu_switch(), not for every exception. The extra state is kept in the pcb, and handled much like the npx state, with similar deficiencies (the state is not preserved across signal handlers, and error handling loses state). This is already being done, but has not been brought into -stable. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 13:13:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16617 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isvara.net (root@[130.88.148.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16430 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@challenge.isvara.net) Received: from challenge.isvara.net ([130.88.66.5]) by isvara.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA06889 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:11:52 GMT Message-ID: <34EB4E8E.F4370309@challenge.isvara.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:11:42 +0000 From: freebsd@isvara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: setting up CVS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi hackers, It is perhapf a trivial question, but how do I setup and maintain a local source tree which I can keep uptodate, and how do I submit code and modifications to the centrally held source tree? Any answers would be a great bonus. Cheers, Dan _____________________________________ Daniel J Blueman BSc Computation, UMIST, Manchester Email: blue@challenge.isvara.net Web: http://www.challenge.isvara.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 13:43:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21943 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21767 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:42:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: by watermarkgroup.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13426; Wed, 18 Feb 98 16:04:23 EST Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 16:04:23 EST From: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com (Luoqi Chen) Message-Id: <9802182104.AA13426@watermarkgroup.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@ducky.net Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Haertel wrote: > Recent versions of Wine crash under FreeBSD. There > are some workarounds which make it appear to work. > However it still doesn't really. > > The root of the problem is that FreeBSD does not > context-switch the FS and GS segment registers, > since user-level Unix software doesn't normally use > them. However FS at least is used in the Win32 > envirnment to point to thread-local data for the > current thread. GS may also be used; I'm not familiar > enough with Win32 to know for sure. > > FreeBSD should be modified at the very least to save > and restore these registers when switching processes. > Arguably they should also be made accessible in the > sigcontext structure, as with Linux. There is a > binary compatibility problem with this, and maybe > it isn't really necessary. > > It turns out we already have space allocated that > we could use for saving FS and GS: this is in the > i386tss structure which is part of the process > control block at the front of struct user. So all > that needs to be done is add a handful of instructions > to save and load fs and gs in cpu_switch(), right > after the existing code there that saves and restores > some other registers in the PCB. > I agree with what you have suggested, but that's not the cause of the crash though. By default FS is set to CS on FreeBSD, but wine expects FS equals to DS initially, and this causes wine to crash. I am playing with the thread support for wine using Dyson's rf.S code. I wonder if rf.S could be integrated into libc or some other library. It uses private include files like "DEFS.h", "SYS.h", it's really ugly to put private include path into the Makefile. -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 13:48:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22854 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:48:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22815; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:48:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([208.133.153.55]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA116; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:45:15 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA01656; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:47:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980218164735.43969@scsn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:47:35 -0500 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Amancio Hasty , The Hermit Hacker Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Amancio Hasty , The Hermit Hacker , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199802180652.WAA00671@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802180652.WAA00671@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 10:52:04PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 10:52:04PM -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Downloaded the latest linux emulation code for 3.0-current, compiled it, > loaded it and now x11amp seems to work with the stock voxware-3.5 sound > driver. Yeah, this has been my experience as well... I'm using snd0, and x11amp works just great, as long as the spectrum analyzer is disabled. I would note, however, that I also tried it with Slackware (which I installed this weekend in the hopes of upgrading the outdated linux_devel port), and it worked great there, even _with_ the spectrum analyzer enabled... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 14:19:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27515 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.netcetera.dk (root@sleipner.netcetera.dk [194.192.207.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27485 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@image.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.netcetera.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA30539 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:29:23 +0100 Received: by swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (0.99.970109) id AA03798; 18 Feb 98 22:30:46 +0100 From: leifn@image.dk (Leif Neland) Date: 18 Feb 98 22:17:27 +0100 Subject: Home computer for FreeBSD Message-ID: Organization: Fidonet: Swimsuit Safari. Go for it. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 18 Feb 98 19:25:41 sbabkin@dcn.att.com (2:234/49.99) wrote to All regarding Home computer for FreeBSD in area "freebsd-hacker" s> I've moved to US and now came to the point when I can spend some s> money for a home computer. Now about the problems. I want an s> inexpensive (read: no brand names) and customarily configured s> (read: no brand names) computer that will surely s> run under FreeBSD. In Russia I solved it in a simple way: I had s> friends selling computers so I was able to try the computer s> with FreeBSD before buying. Can anyone suggest some way of doing s> the same here ? May be, like buying, trying, then returning back s> if it does not work ? Is it safe to assume that if it can boot on the install-floppy, then it is going to work? Leif Neland leifn@image.dk --- |Fidonet: Leif Neland 2:234/49 |Internet: leifn@image.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 14:21:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27966 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:21:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cynic.portal.ca (root@cynic.portal.ca [204.174.36.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27899 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjs@portal.ca) Received: from localhost ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by cynic.portal.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04014; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:20:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cynic.portal.ca: cjs owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Sampson To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial Consoles In-Reply-To: <199802181749.KAA08162@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Warner Losh wrote: > I'm trying to put together several machines tha thave a serial > console. I'd like to make it possible to login on these consoles from > time to time, or to run the debugger from them (ddb). Is there > anything like a consoled that is available? rtty is what you're looking for. One location you can get it from is ftp.cynic.net in /pub/unix/source. cjs Curt Sampson cjs@portal.ca Info at http://www.portal.ca/ Internet Portal Services, Inc. Through infinite mist, software reverberates Vancouver, BC (604) 257-9400 In code possess'd of invisible folly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 14:50:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04313 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from singapore.eecs.umich.edu (singapore.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.8.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04205 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:49:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from weeteck@eecs.umich.edu) Received: (from weeteck@localhost) by singapore.eecs.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA11619; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: Wee Teck Ng Message-Id: <199802182249.RAA11619@singapore.eecs.umich.edu> Subject: machine check handler To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:49:01 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi all, i'm working on freebsd 2.2.1 on pentium II pcs, and noticed that machine check is not enabled by the kernel. i checked 3.0 current and found the same thing. my questions are: - are there any benefits in enabling machine check? - the intel manuals seem to imply that the processor can't recover from a machine check exception. the current trap handler (trap.c) call trap_fatal if it encounters a machine check exception. besides logging the error events, is it reasonable to attempt a recovery? thanks! wee teck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 14:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05094 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:57:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05026; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:56:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08917; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802182256.OAA08917@rah.star-gate.com> To: dmaddox@scsn.net cc: Amancio Hasty , The Hermit Hacker , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: debugging linux emu? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:47:35 EST." <19980218164735.43969@scsn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8914.887842577.1@rah> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:56:17 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The spectrum display also works over here. As for x11amp is okay. Now that we have a decent jdk , I suggest some of you get cracking and start developing cool multimedia apps. Enjoy, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 15:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09252 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp6496.on.bellglobal.com (ppp6496.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08860 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp6496.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01258; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:04:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp6496.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:04:35 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Max Euston cc: "'ac199@hwcn.org'" , "'FreeBSD Hackers'" Subject: RE: Modifications to more(1) In-Reply-To: <01BD3C4C.4336FC60.meuston@jmrodgers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [This was moved back to the list from email, with my endorsement] On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Max Euston wrote: > From the code: it is to set the screen height of the terminal > (override TERM=); you can quickly see this in 'more/option.c'. > > From an (old) AT&T SVR4 system: '-#' does not exist, but '+#' is used to > start paging at line '#' and '+/' is to start paging at the RE . > (Was it's intended use? - I don't know, but probably so). Well, I've never used it; toss it. :) It didn't work in 2.2.0-RELEASE (nor probably before that), and no one noticed. > BTW: style(9) is _very_ close to my own personal preference (that made me All style guides are wrong. Style should reflect functionality. How can the functionality of a thousand-line program, or the functionality of the gazillion different combinations of keywords, identifiers, and operators composing one logical operation ever possibly be reflected in a ~2000 word document? :-) -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 15:31:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10086 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:31:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [193.230.201.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10076; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:31:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15827; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:25:06 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:25:06 +0200 (EET) From: Penisoara Adrian To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Opinion on LS-120 devices ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm going to buy an LS-120 (Laser Servo) device and I would like to know if there are drivers to support this device (at least the 1.44Mb disks if not the 120Mb ones) and if anybody did have troubles with it. Thank you. Ady (@warpnet.ro) Warp Net Technologies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 16:19:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19867 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:19:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19824 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:19:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id BAA11774; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:18:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:18:25 +0100 (MET) To: leifn@image.dk (Leif Neland) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Home computer for FreeBSD References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 19 Feb 1998 01:18:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: leifn@image.dk's message of "18 Feb 98 22:17:27 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG leifn@image.dk (Leif Neland) writes: > Is it safe to assume that if it can boot on the install-floppy, then it is > going to work? No. Amongst other things, you need to consider the type of network adapter - if any - and the video chipset; these won't affect the boot floppy but *will* affect day-to-day operation. Although XFree86 supports a lot of esoteric chipsets, you'd be surprised to see what crap Olivetti or Acer or Packard Bell will actually put into their computers to keep the costs down. Or perhaps you wouldn't ;) Personally, I would never buy a prefab computer, but not everybody knows how to do that, or is comfortable enough with a screwdriver to do it. I have had the odd occasion to work on prefabs, and from that experience I'd recommend Dell (but be careful with the video chipset). -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 16:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20259 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:21:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tbird.cc.bellcore.com (tbird.cc.bellcore.com [128.96.96.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20244 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khansen@njcc.com) Received: from monolith.bellcore.com by tbird.cc.bellcore.com with SMTP id AA10818 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:26:02 -0500 Received: from khansen.cc.bellcore.com by monolith.bellcore.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA20288; Wed, 18 Feb 98 19:20:50 EST Message-Id: <34EB7AEC.19FC@njcc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:21:00 -0500 From: Ken Hansen Reply-To: khansen@njcc.com Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Home computer for FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think the install floppy is a good, valid test of the system EXCEPT for the video card, because the install disk does not run X Windows. But in most cases the real question is if the motherboard has any incompatabilities, and the install disk should point that out... Besides, video cards are a known entity, it is really just a matter of getting the model number and looking up XFree86 compatability on the net... Ken khansen@njcc.com Leif Neland wrote: > > At 18 Feb 98 19:25:41 sbabkin@dcn.att.com (2:234/49.99) wrote to All > regarding Home computer for FreeBSD in area "freebsd-hacker" > > s> I've moved to US and now came to the point when I can spend some > Is it safe to assume that if it can boot on the install-floppy, then it is > going to work? > > Leif Neland > leifn@image.dk > > --- > |Fidonet: Leif Neland 2:234/49 > |Internet: leifn@image.dk > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 16:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24477 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:48:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24381; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05105; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802190045.QAA05105@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Konstantin Chuguev cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some problems with raw IP programming In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:06 +0500." <34EB1F8A.A2543E68@urc.ac.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:45:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, IP networking gurus :-) > > Please help me to solve these problems: > > > I wrote a small daemon using tun* devices for IP-in-IP tunnel. > (Did not like any soft I saw before :-) > > It works almost fine (under 2.2.5-STABLE), but has 3 problems. > > 1. I use connected sockets (i.e. bind() and connect()): > --- > struct in_addr local_ip, remote_ip ; > int raw_ip, tunnel, max_fd ; > struct sockaddr_in local_ipaddr, remote_ipaddr ; > const int true = 1 ; > > /* Initialization of local_ip and remote_ip with inet_aton() stripped... */ My guess would be that you forgot to bzero() these structures before you initialised them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 17:38:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03996 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03926 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from ts2-cltnc-84.cetlink.net (ts2-cltnc-84.cetlink.net [209.54.58.84]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA20602; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:38:29 GMT Message-ID: <34ee9ab9.3273584@mail.cetlink.net> References: <1462.887826942@time.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: <1462.887826942@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA03937 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:35:42 -0800, "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: >check of all the local stores also turning up the fact that nobody's >SELLING dual-Pentium mobos anymore so far as we're able to determine. TC Computers is still selling Tyan Tomcat IV's I think. Give 'em a call. They might even ship to California. -- The day of the proprietary OS is over. Long live free software. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 18:08:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09495 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horizon.hit.net (root@horizon.hit.net [206.252.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09328 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:07:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Pkermit@horizon.hit.net) Received: from kermit.horizon.hit.net (win228.hit.net [206.252.160.190]) by horizon.hit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12269 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:37:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34EB9436.2821@horizon.hit.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:08:54 -0600 From: Russell Gordon X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe kermit@horizon.hit.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 18:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11734 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11424 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:16:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA25837; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:17:21 GMT Message-ID: <02ea01bd3cdb$ab563560$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: , Subject: Re: Home computer for FreeBSD Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:09:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unless you are sold incompadible hardware, the only reason why a system wouldn't run freebsd correctly is that parts are defective. and in that case you have every right to return, although be careful with mail-order as a lot of these guys are sorta shady about returns, order on credit card so you can threaten to cancel the charges if the products aren't up to par. good luck, -Alfred -----Original Message----- From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 9:42 AM Subject: Home computer for FreeBSD >Hi! > >I've moved to US and now came to the point when I can spend some >money for a home computer. Now about the problems. I want an >inexpensive (read: no brand names) and customarily configured >(read: no brand names) computer that will surely >run under FreeBSD. In Russia I solved it in a simple way: I had >friends selling computers so I was able to try the computer >with FreeBSD before buying. Can anyone suggest some way of doing >the same here ? May be, like buying, trying, then returning back >if it does not work ? > >I remember that someone here was selling computers even with >FreeBSD preinstalled. > >May be any advises/experiences on where to buy/not buy by mail >or what new hardware compatibility problems were recently encountered ? >I did not read this list for a few last months, so I probably >have missed some information. > >That's what approximately I want to get, and the questions about >it: > >Pentium or AMD-K6 166MHz processor. I would prefer even 133MHz >and save money but I can't see them on sale. Is it better to buy >AMD due to the recently reported problems with GDT (LDT?) on Intel ? > >PCI motherboard with as many PCI slots as possible. Minimum 4 >(plus PCI IDE), better 6. Which chipsets are recommended as stable ? >Which PCI bridges are supported by FreeBSD ? And at least 3 >slots for memory SIMMs (6 slots for 32-bit SIMMs). I want to start >with low amount of memory like 64M in one slot and be able to add >it later. > >CL5440 video card. The only problem is that it seems to be pretty rare. >Which other cards do have good support under FreeBSD ? The performance >is not critical, my only requirement is support of 1024x768 with >80Hz or higher, and stable work. And lower price. > >Symbios/NCR SCSI card. > >Is Sony CD-R drive compatible with Phillips ? If not, is it supported >in FreeBSD ? > >Thank you in advance for any recommendations! > >-SB > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 18:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11819 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11664 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA25840; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:17:21 GMT Message-ID: <02eb01bd3cdb$ab6e9f60$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "FreeBSD hackers list" Subject: Re: opinions requested on new mainboard purchase Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:11:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG check out http://www.pricewatch.com/ there might be some mail order vendors selling the boards there, and as i rember they are pretty cheap. -Alfred >> But all this is really academic since, to the best of my knowledge, >> ASUSTek stopped producing T2P4 boards at least half a year ago. > >That reminds me... Anyone out there got a P54NP4 dual-Pentium >motherboard they want to donate to the FreeBSD Project? ;-) > >We wanted to build an SMP "spam box" for testing and got all the parts >together when we found out that our surplus P54NP4 board was actually >dead, so now we have everything ready but no motherboard, a quick >check of all the local stores also turning up the fact that nobody's >SELLING dual-Pentium mobos anymore so far as we're able to determine. > >Failing that we'll build a dual-P6 box since the P6/180 is a great >deal right now, but it seems sort of a waste of horsepower for a >machine which will spend most of its time powered off between >tests. ;-) > > Jordan > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 20:31:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29861 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29794 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:30:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15959; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:29:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199802190429.UAA15959@austin.polstra.com> To: leifn@image.dk Subject: Re: CVSup, was Re: Modifications to more(1) In-Reply-To: <1c1_9802182017@swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk> References: <199802172310.PAA03414@dingo.cdrom.com> <1c1_9802182017@swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:29:57 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> I am running 2.2.5-release and just started to install & build CVSup when > >> my swap space filled during the build - I will have to reconfigure this (or > >> download the pre-built binary; not my first choice). > > MS> The prebuilt binary is the only sensible way to go with CVSup > MS> unless you are a total masochist, or are soak-testing a new, > MS> extremely powerful system. > > Yep. I had to kill all daemons and logins, to make it compile on my 24MB/50MB > swap machine. I'm surprised you could do it at all with only 50 MB of swap. :-) It's actually building modula-3-lib that requires so much swap. Building CVSup itself isn't too bad. People with limited swap who really want to build CVSup from the sources should install the "modula-3-lib" and "modula-3" _packages_ first. Then build the "cvsup" port. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 18 21:42:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08963 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:42:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08932 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:41:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24873; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:37:22 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34EA8FA8.C2E835BA@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:37:16 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: correct way to define POSIX values Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG About interpreteion the next sentence from the POSIX specifications: The following symbolic constants are either undefined or defined with a value other than -1. Is it mean, that #define _POSIX_JOB_CONTROL without value is correct ? TenDRA wan't compile this definition, with #define _POSIX_JOB_CONTROL 1 all is ok. So, where is bug: in our headers or in TenDRA ? Thanks. -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 00:15:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26780 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:15:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26774 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:15:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11522; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:03:36 +0100 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA05081; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:22:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id JAA03330; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:14:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19980219091433.08600@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:14:33 +0100 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunshine eprom-writer References: <1c0_9802182017@swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <1c0_9802182017@swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk>; from Leif Neland on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 12:36:07PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Leif Neland writes: > Can I use this EW-904BN eprom-writer under FreeBSD? What's the interface ? Is it a card ? Serial/parallel port ? What about the software for it ? If it's a card, it gets more tricky. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle, ("MYTHOLOGY", in Marutukku distrib) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 02:11:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13562 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13470 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@relay.ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21967 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:09:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) From: Ruslan Ermilov Message-Id: <199802191009.MAA21967@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Subject: FreeBSD 2.2.6 and SLIP with static units To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:09:08 +0200 (EET) X-My-Interests: Unix,Oracle,Networking X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I've wrote a similar letter just before 2.2.5 was released. Just want to inform you that SLIP driver is still not operational with static units in RELENG_2_2 and noone in core-team even tried to make it really work since 2.2.5. It's too bad for FreeBSD project, isn't it? I have my own modified version of the driver, which is: a) operational (long tested at least on three sites); b) conceptually wrong (ache@freebsd.org); c) kept stable with RELENG_2_2; d) can be fetched from: http://www.ucb.crimea.ua/~ru/FreeBSD/slip/ Regards, -- Ruslan A. Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 03:48:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29990 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isvara.net (root@[130.88.148.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29907 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:47:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@challenge.isvara.net) Received: from challenge.isvara.net ([130.88.66.5]) by isvara.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10195 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:47:33 GMT Message-ID: <34EC1BC5.CE97656E@challenge.isvara.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:47:17 +0000 From: freebsd@isvara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Laptop opinions! References: <199802181902.NAA09950@kai.nectar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jacques Vidrine wrote: > I can't seem to figure out how to turn off ``clicking'' > on the built-in TouchPad ... very annoying when typing under X ... Check the BIOS settings, there may be an option to enable/disable key clicks. Cheers, Dan _____________________________________ Daniel J Blueman BSc Computation, UMIST, Manchester Email: blue@challenge.isvara.net Web: http://www.challenge.isvara.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 03:56:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01533 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:56:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01524 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:56:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from stefan.promo.de (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02389 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:53:04 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:56:25 +0100 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Graceful shutdown by single keypress? Message-ID: <561614.3096881785@stefan.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For an exibition, we need a system that can be shut down gracefully by pressing a single button on the system, instead of typing commands or anything complicated like that. Also, the system should as much as possible be able to recover from a power failure (read: someone pulling the plug). As this system will be out there on its own, with no-one near with even the faintest knowledge of unix (or computers at all), I want it to be as rugged as possible. Most filesystems will be mounted r/o, and those that are not can be reconstructed on the fly. However, as I don't like the idea of telling people to simply cut off power to the system (there won't be neither monitor nor keyboard), I'm looking into an ATX system with APM support that can switch itself off. Instead, I'd like to tell the operators to press the suspend key on the system, and wait for it to switch itself off. As I currently have no APM system to test this on (I will get the system the next few days), I'm interested in experiences with APM on desktop machines, and the feasibility of my idea. Also, if someone has any recommendations on a specific pentium mainboard, I'd be happy to hear them. If the suspend key won't allow shutting down the system, I could also plug the key (or the reset key) into the LPT or COM port to be polled by some daemon, which then would do a shutdown with power off. It would be acceptable for me to hack the kernel to add any necessary APM power-off command, if needed. TIA, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 04:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02834 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:03:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02828 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01163 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802191203.EAA01163@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Vote for FreeBSD 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:03:09 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you don't contribute this is a very nice and easy way to contribute. Typically, with scenarios like this we don't really move on the goal like our Linux counter parts . Well, just pretty please try to at least vote this time 8) The feedback pointer is : http://www.neogeo.nl/feedback.html Just request a FreeBSD port! Amancio ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from smyrno.sol.net (mail@smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01069 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id FAA26002; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:50:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA00378; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:50:30 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00359 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA00339 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:50:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 25486 on Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:50:13 GMT; id LAA25486 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04651 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:46:52 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802191146.MAA04651@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3D software porting votes needed Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:46:52 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, This seemed to be the most appropriate mailing list to post this to. A 3D animation/modeling company in the Netherlands has released its inhouse developed modeling/animation package for SGI machines for free (minus some advanced features) and they are considering a port to Linux/FreeBSD. They could use some voters to be persuaded to do so. Their software compares with softimage / alias wavefront on a lot of levels. See: http://www.neogeo.nl There is a form at their download page where you can request a FreeBSD port. Cheers, Marc. - ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl - ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 04:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09807 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:54:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newserv.urc.ac.ru (newserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09720 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.37]) by newserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29627; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:48:34 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <34EC2A22.F542F2E6@urc.ac.ru> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:48:34 +0500 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: South Ural Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some problems with raw IP programming References: <199802190045.QAA05105@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > ? I wrote a small daemon using tun* devices for IP-in-IP tunnel. > ? --- > ? struct in_addr local_ip, remote_ip ; > ? int raw_ip, tunnel, max_fd ; > ? struct sockaddr_in local_ipaddr, remote_ipaddr ; > ? const int true = 1 ; > ? > ? /* Initialization of local_ip and remote_ip with inet_aton() stripped... */ > > My guess would be that you forgot to bzero() these structures before > you initialised them. > It has helped. Thanks. -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, Joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 05:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12754 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newserv.urc.ac.ru (newserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12647 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.37]) by newserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29718 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:05 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <34EC31C0.7D68062F@urc.ac.ru> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:04 +0500 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: South Ural Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some problems with raw IP programming References: <199802182119.NAA24361@bubba.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Archie Cobbs wrote: > > Konstantin Chuguev writes: > ? 2. When I receive IPIP (ICMP-in-IP, pinging through a tunnel) packets > ? from the raw socket: > ? --- > ? size = recv( raw_ip, buffer, sizeof( buffer ), 0 ) ; > ? if( is_syserror( size ? 0, LOG_CRIT, "Can't read from %s", > ? "raw socket" ) ) > ? return ; > ? h_len = (unsigned)( ((struct ip *)buffer)-?ip_hl ) ?? 2 ; > ? /* log_printf( LOG_INFO, "Size=%d, ip_len=%d, h_len=%d\n", > ? size, ((struct ip *)buffer)-?ip_len, h_len ) ; */ > ? size = write( tunnel, buffer + h_len, > ? /* ((struct ip *)buffer)-?ip_len */ size - h_len ) ; > ? --- > ? h_len is equal to 20 (the correct size of the IP packet without any options); > ? size (the result of recv() or read()) is equal to 104 (20 bytes for > ? the envelope IP header, other 20 ones for the internal IP (ICMP) header, > ? other 64 for the ICMP body); > ? the ICMP packet INSIDE the IPIP header looks pretty good, BUT: > ? ((struct ip *)buffer)-?ip_len is 84 !!! i.e. EXACTLY 20 less then > ? the "size" variable and always EQUAL TO the size of the ENCLOSED IP > ? packet. > > Also, check for ntohs() and htons() as required. > Checked, got yet more strange results: --- size = read( raw_ip, buffer, sizeof( buffer ) ) ; ip_len = ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len ; h_len = (u_short)( ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_hl ) << 2 ; log_printf( LOG_INFO, "Size=%d, ip_len=%d, h_len=%d, " "enc_ip_len=%d\n", size, ip_len, h_len, ((struct ip *)(buffer + h_len))->ip_len ) ; --- The result for ICMP-in-IP packet is: Feb 19 17:45:50 y ipipd[555]: Size=104, ip_len=84, h_len=20, enc_ip_len=21504 It is OK with size, h_len and enclosed_ip_len. The latter is so large because it needs to be converted from the network short format to the Intel one. After conversion it becomes 84, the real size of the default ICMP message. But the ip_len of the envelope IP header is not 104, nor it's network equivalent. It seems like the kernel itself converts that field and then subtracts the header length from it. Or the kernel just copies that field from the enclosed packet for IPPROTO_IPIP sockets. Too smart kernel, eh? :-) Is it a feature or a bug? > ? 3. Sometimes (very seldom, can happen once a week), I get a message in syslog: > ? > ? Feb 11 03:50:05 Chelyabinsk-RNOC-RR03 ipipd[6835]: Can't write to raw socket: > ? No > ? buffer space available > ? or > ? Feb 18 22:13:45 Chelyabinsk-RNOC-RR03 ipipd[17393]: Can't write to raw socket: > ? N > ? o route to host > > This is normal; you're simply writing packets faster then the kernel can > forward them. Don't know why it confuses ping though. > As I see the packets continue to pass from the tunnel to other interfaces of the router, I can be sure my read() from the raw_ip and write() to the tunnel file work. The loop and select() work as well then. But no one packet comes to the tunnel (from the /dev/tun* device, being encapsulated, to the raw IP socket). So it seems like there are no more packets from the /dev/tun* device or, more likely, packets written to the raw IP socket go to a blackhole... Sometimes temporarily, sometimes forever. Though the socket is "connected", it is not TCP, there are no timeouts, and I think, routing loss or IP buffer overflow should not cause such permanent error. -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, Joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 05:31:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14474 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA14458 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:31:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199802191328.IAA25479@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:33:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vote for FreeBSD 8) In-Reply-To: <199802191203.EAA01163@rah.star-gate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > If you don't contribute this is a very nice and easy way to contribute. > Typically, with scenarios like this we don't really move on the > goal like our Linux counter parts . Well, just pretty please try > to at least vote this time 8) > > The feedback pointer is : > http://www.neogeo.nl/feedback.html > Just request a FreeBSD port! > > Amancio I have already downloaded a copy (have an Indy on my desk) and voted for a FreeBSD port. -- Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 05:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16250 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA16245 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 6754 on Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:50:10 GMT; id NAA06754 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06399; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:47:05 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802191347.OAA06399@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Jamie Bowden cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vote for FreeBSD 8) In-reply-to: jamie's message of Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:33:01 -0500. <199802191328.IAA25479@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:47:04 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > If you don't contribute this is a very nice and easy way to contribute. > > Typically, with scenarios like this we don't really move on the > > goal like our Linux counter parts . Well, just pretty please try > > to at least vote this time 8) > > > > The feedback pointer is : > > http://www.neogeo.nl/feedback.html > > Just request a FreeBSD port! > > > > Amancio > > I have already downloaded a copy (have an Indy on my desk) and voted for a > FreeBSD port. > Let them know what you think about it. They are very open to suggestions on improving the Blender. Until now it has only been used inhouse, and the userinterface/documentation shows that. It's highly optimised for working fast, but not necessarily wel documented. Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 09:03:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14158 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:03:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14120 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199802191600.LAA25964@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:05:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Marc van Kempen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vote for FreeBSD 8) In-Reply-To: <199802191347.OAA06399@bowtie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Marc van Kempen wrote: > Let them know what you think about it. They are very open to suggestions > on improving the Blender. > Until now it has only been used inhouse, and the userinterface/documentation > shows that. > It's highly optimised for working fast, but not necessarily wel documented. > > Regards, > Marc. I am going to point one of our graphic artists at it for that...I was just going to do a little screwing around...maybe make some bad renderings. -- Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 10:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27647 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27636 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:36:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA24445 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:35:30 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01110; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:05:39 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199802191805.TAA01110@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Graceful shutdown by single keypress? In-Reply-To: <561614.3096881785@stefan.promo.de> from Stefan Bethke at "Feb 19, 98 12:56:25 pm" To: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:05:39 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Stefan Bethke wrote... > For an exibition, we need a system that can be shut down gracefully by CeBIT? > As this system will be out there on its own, with no-one near with even the > faintest knowledge of unix (or computers at all), I want it to be as rugged ^---- Really sounds like CeBIT ;-) > as possible. Most filesystems will be mounted r/o, and those that are not > can be reconstructed on the fly. > > However, as I don't like the idea of telling people to simply cut off power > to the system (there won't be neither monitor nor keyboard), I'm looking > into an ATX system with APM support that can switch itself off. > If the suspend key won't allow shutting down the system, I could also plug > the key (or the reset key) into the LPT or COM port to be polled by some > daemon, which then would do a shutdown with power off. > > It would be acceptable for me to hack the kernel to add any necessary APM > power-off command, if needed. I suppose you could look into the ctl-alt-del hooks in the console driver that currently force a reboot. Or patch the NMI hook and add a 0.25DM switch to the IOCHKN line. This would still need a manual poweroff. W/ _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' --------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net,Open]BSD Unix -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 11:09:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04520 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:09:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isvara.net (root@[130.88.148.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04083 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@challenge.isvara.net) Received: from challenge.isvara.net ([130.88.66.5]) by isvara.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12175 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:07:37 GMT Message-ID: <34EC82E7.260273CD@challenge.isvara.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:07:19 +0000 From: freebsd@isvara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: GCC 2.8.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, what is the latest version of GCC? Is it 2.8.0, and when will it arrive on FreeBSD? Any pointers (not pointers to null ;-) ) would be helpful. Cheers, Dan _____________________________________ Daniel J Blueman BSc Computation, UMIST, Manchester Email: blue@challenge.isvara.net Web: http://www.challenge.isvara.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 11:26:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07957 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:26:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07862 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:26:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (vex-s.isi.edu [128.9.192.240]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16568; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:25:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802191925.LAA16568@tnt.isi.edu> To: freebsd@isvara.net Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: GCC 2.8.0 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:07:19 GMT." <34EC82E7.260273CD@challenge.isvara.net> X-Url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:25:58 -0800 From: Ted Faber Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- freebsd@isvara.net wrote: >Hi, > what is the latest version of GCC? Is it 2.8.0, and when will it >arrive on FreeBSD? > >Any pointers (not pointers to null ;-) ) would be helpful. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/lang/gcc28.tar See http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ports.html for how to install it. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 822-1511 x190 PGP Key: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNOyHRYb4eisfQ5rpAQEr1gP/dhS0/Wj2IyYusFGA+Swghj0w1kJeYUwj kYO3tkDWqi0W1+PUSai96n3kwox6oT6WdIbYJEirTnBxapapm/cns+DVMyrGj5WQ y6dLfCrOyVCGJ/H9YsqffFxza4OGSaTOyi+HIQuA7iL0HCyOVPAOK7+GEV1PvxLm dBcbbby/upU= =LBH8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 13:41:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28783 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:41:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28728 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdhack@shadows.aeon.net) Received: (from bsdhack@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id XAA13838; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:41:02 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199802192141.XAA13838@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-Reply-To: from Brian Handy at "Feb 17, 98 10:24:06 am" To: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com (Brian Handy) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:41:02 +0200 (EET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >how about 'ladder'? ancient cp/m game... last time i saw one was around > >early 80s. i'd die happy should i get to play it again. > I can get the source for this! I know where to find this! My brother ok, i died happy. =) thanx. > He ported it to linux, his sources can be found at: > http://www.srv.net/~kth/ladder.tar yeah. > (There was some sort of curses problem that I was unable to sort out in > the few minutes I fiddled with it...it worked for me under linux > emulation, so I bailed. i got it compileable, as you said, minor curses problem, and then another problem that was easy to take away. > Go port go! :-) yes, i can do that, BUT is there a problem with the code? i mean is it something freebsd can include? since i've never ported anything, ofcourse i'd _love_ to get my name into the "bsd-books" by making a port, but can i? should i? (and did someone else get there already?) =) > Brian mickey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 14:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05179 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05156 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:31:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA12828 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:31:31 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34ECB2C3.22C7B3F4@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:31:31 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graceful shutdown by single keypress? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote: > > As Stefan Bethke wrote... > > > For an exibition, we need a system that can be shut down gracefully by > > CeBIT? > > > As this system will be out there on its own, with no-one near with even the > > faintest knowledge of unix (or computers at all), I want it to be as rugged > > ^---- Really sounds like CeBIT ;-) ^^^^ Hmmm... Why not just get as far as the machine needing to be unplugged - and then display something on the console? Like 'Pull Plug NOW!' or similar? Maybe even a nice 'Shutdown in Progress' message followed by 'Pull Plug Now'? If they are human, I'm sure they'll be able to work out where the plug is... Either that, or they'll be putting cold coffee on the laptop trying in vain to heat it up for the rest of the show days (having unplugged the kettle)... ;-) Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 15:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12695 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12583 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:21:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00958 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Message-Id: <199802192321.SAA00958@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Info file annoyance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:20 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is /usr/local/info and there is /usr/share/info. One has broken-out infofiles and one has compressed, one-piece info files. Each has a different dir file (and the /usr/share/info one doesn't work due to the compressed files, at least for me). Is there any chance this can be sorted out for 2.2.6 so that info could be more usefull? Like: - One directory that gets to all info files, and - Uncompressed files (if that is required for reading them). Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 16:08:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25746 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25545 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:07:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA01824 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:37:19 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199802200007.KAA01824@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vote for FreeBSD 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:03:09 -0800." <199802191203.EAA01163@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:37:19 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you don't contribute this is a very nice and easy way to contribute. > Typically, with scenarios like this we don't really move on the > goal like our Linux counter parts . Well, just pretty please try > to at least vote this time 8) Hah! Voted for.. and while you have Netscape loaded go to news.3dfx.com and post on 3dfx.glide.linux in reply to my message about porting Glide to FreeBSD :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 16:48:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02737 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02593 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:47:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12271 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:47:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Message-Id: <199802200047.TAA12271@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Disk usage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:47:14 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The command should be "df" not "du" which is what I might have said.. For example: bash$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 31775 13892 15341 48% / /dev/sd0s1g 1326091 401302 818702 33% /home /dev/sd0s1f 396895 303081 62063 83% /usr /dev/sd0s1e 29727 2015 25334 7% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc /dev/wd0s1 411008 301200 109808 73% /dos --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 16:54:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04052 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:54:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03943 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:54:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10810; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:29:59 GMT Message-ID: <04ab01bd3d95$dd85d940$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: , "FreeBSD Hackers" Subject: Re: GCC 2.8.0 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:38:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG it has been in the ports collection for some time now (/usr/ports/lang) warning, it is supposedly buggy (not our fault) so it gets installed into /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin -Alfred -----Original Message----- From: freebsd@isvara.net To: FreeBSD Hackers Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:15 AM Subject: GCC 2.8.0 >Hi, > what is the latest version of GCC? Is it 2.8.0, and when will it >arrive on FreeBSD? > >Any pointers (not pointers to null ;-) ) would be helpful. > >Cheers, > Dan > >_____________________________________ >Daniel J Blueman >BSc Computation, UMIST, Manchester >Email: blue@challenge.isvara.net >Web: http://www.challenge.isvara.net/ > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 16:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04620 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:57:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04492 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12346; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:56:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Message-Id: <199802200056.TAA12346@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Withrow cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk usage In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:47:14 EST." <199802200047.TAA12271@spooky.rwwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:56:29 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ignore previous message. My mailer goofed and used the wrong address. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 17:51:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12786 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:51:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12703 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA07514; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:37:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:37:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey folks, I just compiled a new -STABLE kernel from Yesterday, and I've got some problems. Xemacs crashes into some sleeping state and quits working. The output of a 'ps aux': handy 617 0.0 3.1 4316 6004 p3 S 5:23PM 0:01.76 xemacs (xemacs-20.3) This is a hung xemacs. The package worked a day ago, just new problems are giving me grief. Any ideas what might be doing this? I'm not sure where to look. Thanks, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 17:52:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12938 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:52:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12731 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:51:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02663 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:21:01 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199802200151.MAA02663@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Duplicate subs (again! ): Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:21:01 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, It appears that I am still subscribed to hackers twice.. argh! 'darius@senet.com.au' and 'doconnor@gsoft.com.au' are both me, the latter is the only one I would like to be subscribed with. If anyone can remove the former could they please do so? (Mail to it and I will reply confirming if you like) I have tried to unsub using majordomo, but no joy, I also mailed the list master, but got no reply.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 18:00:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14357 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14270 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:00:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA18802; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:00:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:00:07 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Brian Handy wrote: >Hey folks, > > [My Xemacs is giving me fits] > I just got to wondering if my userspace is getting out of sync with my kernel. I re-cvsupped, I'm making world right now and will recompile the kernel shortly thereafter. THEN we'll see if I really have a problem. In the meantime...nobody lose any sleep over this, it may be nothing. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 18:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16694 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16510 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01930; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:09:02 -0800 (PST) To: Robert Withrow cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Info file annoyance In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:20 EST." <199802192321.SAA00958@spooky.rwwa.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:09:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1927.887940542@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is there any chance this can be sorted out for 2.2.6 so that > info could be more usefull? Like: I rather doubt that this will get sorted in time for 2.2.6. Perhaps if you'd raised it a couple of months ago. :-) It's a good 3.0 goal, however. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 18:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18040 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:17:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17934 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01998; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:15:32 -0800 (PST) To: Brian Handy cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:37:50 PST." Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:15:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1994.887940932@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmmmm. I'll try and reproduce this. > Hey folks, > > I just compiled a new -STABLE kernel from Yesterday, and I've got some > problems. Xemacs crashes into some sleeping state and quits working. The > output of a 'ps aux': > > handy 617 0.0 3.1 4316 6004 p3 S 5:23PM 0:01.76 xemacs > (xemacs-20.3) > > This is a hung xemacs. The package worked a day ago, just new problems > are giving me grief. > > > Any ideas what might be doing this? I'm not sure where to look. > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 18:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21549 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:43:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21535 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:43:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02197 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:42:35 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: USENIX members among us - please remember to vote! Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:42:34 -0800 Message-ID: <2193.887942554@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This may seem a rather divergent topic for -hackers, but a quick look at http://www.usenix.org/whatsnew/98_election should quickly show why I'm sending this message to all of you. Yes, I am one of those running for election to the USENIX Board of Directors this year but my phrasing of the subject line was quite carefully chosen - I'm not asking all of you to vote for me, I'm asking all of you to vote PERIOD. :-) Voter apathy is hardly a problem confined to the United States government, and I would like to think/hope that FreeBSD users world-wide are a group which is increasingly motivated to take an active role in ensuring that *their* interests are furthered by organizations like USENIX. Visit the URL I show above, read the ballots carefully, and vote for whomever you think will best serve the needs of the FreeBSD community in this coming year. Maybe that's me, maybe that's one or more of the other candidates, just help make it *your* choice this year! That's all I ask. And if you're not a member of USENIX, now would be an excellent time to join! We're not exactly brimming over with credible organizations devoted to the cause of Unix these days and I truly believe that USENIX represents our best hope for the future, so please join me in lending it your support. Thanks! Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 19:31:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29044 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28982 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA28563; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:31:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980219213129.39005@emsphone.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:31:29 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Robert Withrow , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Info file annoyance References: <199802192321.SAA00958@spooky.rwwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802192321.SAA00958@spooky.rwwa.com>; from "Robert Withrow" on Thu Feb 19 18:21:20 GMT 1998 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2-970701-RELENG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Feb 19), Robert Withrow said: > There is /usr/local/info and there is /usr/share/info. > > One has broken-out infofiles and one has compressed, one-piece info > files. > > Each has a different dir file (and the /usr/share/info one doesn't > work due to the compressed files, at least for me). > > Is there any chance this can be sorted out for 2.2.6 so that info > could be more usefull? Like: > > - One directory that gets to all info files, and > - Uncompressed files (if that is required for reading them). > > Thanks! Hmm. I don't see any of your problems (tested on -stable and -current). When I type info, what I see is the concatenation of usr/share/info/dir and /usr/local/info/dir. If I happen to pick an info entry that has been compressed, "gunzip < file.info.gz ..." flashes on the status line, then the uncompressed info file pops up. /usr/local/info files are probably split and uncompressed to make sure that they can be read on the lowest-common-denominator machine; a DOS PC with 640k of memory. FreeBSD can read large compressed info files, so the ones that come with the system (in /usr/share/info) take advantage of that. It's a good idea to keep base and user-compiled programs separate, anyway. -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 19:44:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01447 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01427 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19031; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:51:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980219225149.11005@vmunix.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:51:49 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USENIX members among us - please remember to vote! References: <2193.887942554@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <2193.887942554@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 06:42:34PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 06:42:34PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Yes, I am one of those running for election to the USENIX Board of > Directors this year but my phrasing of the subject line was quite > carefully chosen - I'm not asking all of you to vote for me, I'm > asking all of you to vote PERIOD. :-) I'm curious, is there one "director" or is it a board of directors being elected? How many of the candidates get in if there's more than one? At any rate, each and every one of the candidates seems excellent from the brief descriptions on the page!! Although I've got to wonder about a guy who is *always* refered to as "maddog" (John also seems to be the EXACT image the younger generation has of UNIX! - quite funny IMO, with the big beard and all). :-) Can you tell I've been reading Dilbert lately? Great to see you go for it Joran, I know who I'll be voting for ;-) -Mark > Thanks! > > Jordan -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 19:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03684 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03629 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:58:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00631; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:57:37 -0800 (PST) To: Mark Mayo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USENIX members among us - please remember to vote! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:51:49 EST." <19980219225149.11005@vmunix.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:57:37 -0800 Message-ID: <626.887947057@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm curious, is there one "director" or is it a board of > directors being elected? How many of the candidates get > in if there's more than one? Ya know, I've honestly no idea how any of that works. :-) They simply asked me to stand for election and I agreed. I've been fairly critical of some of their expanded NT coverage (I think NT coverage is just fine, but I'll go to Windows World or something if that's what I want to see and not USENIX) and it would have been churlish of me to criticise their decisions without being willing to get involved in the decision-making process myself. > wonder about a guy who is *always* refered to as "maddog" (John also seems > to be the EXACT image the younger generation has of UNIX! - quite > funny IMO, with the big beard and all). :-) He doesn't just seem to be, he IS. In fact, I think he's one of the original Unix hacker prototypes. :-) John's a good guy - we'd also be in good hands with him, but I've no idea how many spaces on the ballot there are. I haven't received my ballot yet - perhaps we're not allowed to vote for ourselves. ;) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 20:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06033 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05949 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:15:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id PAA01251; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:10:49 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802200410.PAA01251@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: USENIX members among us - please remember to vote! In-Reply-To: <626.887947057@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Feb 19, 98 07:57:37 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:10:49 +1100 (EST) Cc: mark@vmunix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > John's a good guy - we'd also be in good hands with him, but I've no > idea how many spaces on the ballot there are. I haven't received my > ballot yet - perhaps we're not allowed to vote for ourselves. ;) The current board has 4 directors (other than other office bearers) according to one of the other pages at usenix.org. BTW, I thought you gave up being President of FreeBSD!? Regards, -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 20:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08425 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:27:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08357 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id XAA17332; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:23:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USENIX members among us - please remember to vote! In-Reply-To: <626.887947057@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'm curious, is there one "director" or is it a board of > > directors being elected? How many of the candidates get > > in if there's more than one? > > Ya know, I've honestly no idea how any of that works. :-) > > They simply asked me to stand for election and I agreed. I've been > fairly critical of some of their expanded NT coverage (I think NT > coverage is just fine, but I'll go to Windows World or something if > that's what I want to see and not USENIX) and it would have been > churlish of me to criticise their decisions without being willing to > get involved in the decision-making process myself. As much as I hate to say it, your nomination comes a year to late for me. I not only agree with your above statement, I didn't renew my membership for this year because of it. When I went to my mailbox and saw this ugly green issue, I think it was a sickly green color, of the SPECIAL NT issue that was it for me. I was pretty torqued to say the least. USENIX was pretty much in my opinion the last safe haven for purely technical, UNIX information. Then they pulled out that NT issue with their sellout line "we've decided to dedicate this issue to NT since it's inevitable that most of us are seeing we cannot escape NT in the work place". That's what got me steamed. As I said USENIX was the LAST place to find purely unix techincal information. I no longer see the need to spend what little money I have to spare :) on another organization to sellout and publish NT trash. I realize their motives, that NT is unavoidable in the workplace. But as you stated, if I wanted information on NT or integrating NT into my unix environment, I'd run out and grab the zillions of rag trash that sits on the shelves of my local bookstores. I dont mean to rant, but seeing as how you might be able to change this when you get elected, and I hope you do! so I can renew my membership, I just wanted to write and let you know that although im not voting you got my vote in spirit! :) Now hurry up and get elected so you can revoke this NT garbage and get USENIX back on track so I can re-subscribe to USENIX :) Chris -- "I AM closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 20:30:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09097 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:30:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08533 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA15134; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:19:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mark Mayo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USENIX members among us - please remember to vote! In-Reply-To: <626.887947057@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'm curious, is there one "director" or is it a board of > > directors being elected? How many of the candidates get > > in if there's more than one? > > Ya know, I've honestly no idea how any of that works. :-) If I remember right from last year, they send out ballots, don't they? I am just a student member, but I get to vote, and I'd love to see someone on the board who is 1) not so singlemindedly Microsofted that they can't keep their mind on Unix, and 2) aware of free software, and what it's done for us. Guess how I'll vote. > > They simply asked me to stand for election and I agreed. I've been > fairly critical of some of their expanded NT coverage (I think NT > coverage is just fine, but I'll go to Windows World or something if > that's what I want to see and not USENIX) and it would have been > churlish of me to criticise their decisions without being willing to > get involved in the decision-making process myself. > > > wonder about a guy who is *always* refered to as "maddog" (John also seems > > to be the EXACT image the younger generation has of UNIX! - quite > > funny IMO, with the big beard and all). :-) > > He doesn't just seem to be, he IS. In fact, I think he's one of the > original Unix hacker prototypes. :-) > > John's a good guy - we'd also be in good hands with him, but I've no > idea how many spaces on the ballot there are. I haven't received my > ballot yet - perhaps we're not allowed to vote for ourselves. ;) > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 19 21:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18398 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18366 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA00657; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:13:44 -0800 (PST) To: John Birrell cc: mark@vmunix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USENIX members among us - please remember to vote! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:10:49 +1100." <199802200410.PAA01251@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:13:43 -0800 Message-ID: <654.887951623@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The current board has 4 directors (other than other office bearers) > according to one of the other pages at usenix.org. > > BTW, I thought you gave up being President of FreeBSD!? Yes, but for different reasons. ;) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 00:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09533 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:32:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09513; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0y5nsH-00338uC; Fri, 20 Feb 98 09:32 MET Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:24:56 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:23:12 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: alpha release of isdn4bsd available To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG (ISDN for BSD), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:23:12 +0100 (CET) Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After almost a year of development, the first publically available version of isdn4bsd - an ISDN package for FreeBSD and NetBSD supporting the DSS1 or Euro-ISDN protocol suite - has been made available for alpha test. The package is available from isdn4bsd@ftp.consol.de/pub, you must (!) log in as user isdn4bsd and change to the "pub" directory. (Anonymous ftp as user "ftp" or "anonymous" will NOT give the desired result!) You'll find a README and the gzipped tar archive i4b-00.40-alpha-200298.tgz. Please read the README file carefully before you decide to install isdn4bsd! (This is the first and last crosspost to hackers, future announcements will only be made to the isdn mailinglist.) hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 00:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11094 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:45:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11089 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:45:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA07911 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:45:22 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00254; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:45:22 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980220094522.50936@follo.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:45:22 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adding sysctls Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I thought turning some of the kernel options into sysctls would be a forward-looking project, but I've run into a snag: Where do I add them? Example: I'm trying to convert the SPX_HACK option into the sysctl ".ibcs2_spx_hack". I was planning to make "user", but it seems "user.*" sysctls are defined in /sys/kern/kern_mib.c. How is the intended direction forward for this? Should I just extend the "user." space to include this, also breaking the present kern_mib limitation? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 00:58:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13087 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:58:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13080 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10235; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:56:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200856.AAA10235@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding sysctls In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:45:22 +0100." <19980220094522.50936@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:56:57 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I thought turning some of the kernel options into sysctls would be a > forward-looking project, but I've run into a snag: Where do I add > them? > > Example: I'm trying to convert the SPX_HACK option into the sysctl > ".ibcs2_spx_hack". I was planning to make > "user", but it seems "user.*" sysctls are defined in > /sys/kern/kern_mib.c. > > How is the intended direction forward for this? Should I just extend > the "user." space to include this, also breaking the present kern_mib > limitation? SPX_HACK is an iBCS2 option IIRC. If that's the case, it should probably be kern.emulation.ibcs2.net.spx_hack (emulation should perhaps be abi, depending on preferences). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 01:39:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18809 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18804 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:39:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10284; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd010269; Fri Feb 20 02:39:08 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA09238; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:39:06 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802200939.CAA09238@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Adding sysctls To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:39:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: eivind@yes.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802200856.AAA10235@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Feb 20, 98 00:56:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > SPX_HACK is an iBCS2 option IIRC. If that's the case, it should > probably be kern.emulation.ibcs2.net.spx_hack (emulation should > perhaps be abi, depending on preferences). Mike is probably right about this particular option. But if you are going on a rampage, perhaps my previous suggestion would be a better approach for the rampaging options. I still think that making the MIB agregation into a linker set instead of using manifest values in sysctl.h would be a better idea than what's there. One real problem with the kern.abi... approach is that the way the hierarchical relationship is defined means a recompilation of sysctl: ========================================================================= Index: sys/sysctl.h =================================================================== RCS file: /b/cvstree/ncvs/src/sys/sys/sysctl.h,v retrieving revision 1.57 diff -c -r1.57 sysctl.h *** 1.57 1997/09/07 16:53:52 --- sysctl.h 1998/02/20 09:33:22 *************** *** 230,236 **** #define KERN_DUMMY 31 /* unused */ #define KERN_PS_STRINGS 32 /* int: address of PS_STRINGS */ #define KERN_USRSTACK 33 /* int: address of USRSTACK */ ! #define KERN_MAXID 34 /* number of valid kern ids */ #define CTL_KERN_NAMES { \ { 0, 0 }, \ --- 230,237 ---- #define KERN_DUMMY 31 /* unused */ #define KERN_PS_STRINGS 32 /* int: address of PS_STRINGS */ #define KERN_USRSTACK 33 /* int: address of USRSTACK */ ! #define KERN_ABI 34 /* node: anything related to ABI */ ! #define KERN_MAXID 35 /* number of valid kern ids */ #define CTL_KERN_NAMES { \ { 0, 0 }, \ *************** *** 267,272 **** --- 268,274 ---- { "dummy", CTLTYPE_INT }, \ { "ps_strings", CTLTYPE_INT }, \ { "usrstack", CTLTYPE_INT }, \ + { "abi", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \ } /* ========================================================================= This is just a start, since you would have to define the subelement relationship (hint: look for where CTL_KERN_NAMES is referenced). The best example in that genre is "kern.ipc..."; you should look at /sys/kern/uipc_mbuf.c, and look for "max_protohdr" to see what I mean about implied relationships. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 02:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21593 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:00:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21578 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17997; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:02:16 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:02:15 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding sysctls In-Reply-To: <19980220094522.50936@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > I thought turning some of the kernel options into sysctls would be a > forward-looking project, but I've run into a snag: Where do I add > them? Not exactly on the subject, but... While you're looking into this could you look at PR kern/5689 as well, please? Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 03:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29291 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:03:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isvara.net (root@[130.88.148.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29205 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@challenge.isvara.net) Received: from challenge.isvara.net ([130.88.66.5]) by isvara.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02464 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:03:16 GMT Message-ID: <34ED62F0.2F4D1238@challenge.isvara.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:03:12 +0000 From: freebsd@isvara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Booting FreeBSD from DOS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, how can I boot FreeBSD up from DOS? Is these a executable similar to 'loadlin.exe', but for FreeBSD, not Linux? Cheers, Dan _____________________________________ Daniel J Blueman BSc Computation, UMIST, Manchester Email: blue@challenge.isvara.net Web: http://www.challenge.isvara.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 03:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03900 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:57:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03892 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:56:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02555; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:56:11 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199802201156.MAA02555@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Booting FreeBSD from DOS In-Reply-To: <34ED62F0.2F4D1238@challenge.isvara.net> from "freebsd@isvara.net" at "Feb 20, 98 11:03:12 am" To: freebsd@isvara.net Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:56:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to freebsd@isvara.net who wrote: > Hi, > how can I boot FreeBSD up from DOS? Is these a executable similar to > 'loadlin.exe', but for FreeBSD, not Linux? fbsdboot.exe (/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/dosboot/*) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 06:01:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22689 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22681 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:00:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA06943; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:59:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: Brian Handy cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I rebuilt world and kernel and my xemacs-20.3 from late december seems to work fine. My machine has RAM-o-plenty; any chance your machine has to start swapping once you get a lot of things going in xemacs? -c On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Brian Handy wrote: > Hey folks, > > I just compiled a new -STABLE kernel from Yesterday, and I've got some > problems. Xemacs crashes into some sleeping state and quits working. The > output of a 'ps aux': > > handy 617 0.0 3.1 4316 6004 p3 S 5:23PM 0:01.76 xemacs > (xemacs-20.3) > > This is a hung xemacs. The package worked a day ago, just new problems > are giving me grief. > > > Any ideas what might be doing this? I'm not sure where to look. > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 08:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20162 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20028 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA07581 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:43:33 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199802201643.KAA07581@home.dragondata.com> Subject: 215 day uptime on 2.2.2 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:43:33 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a machine running on 2.2.2 running under heavy load for 215 days. I finally had to take it down to move it. It's really really stable. :) In case anyone is curious about memory leaks over a long period of time, I dumped some outputs before I killed it. 10:36PM up 215 days, 2:01, 1 user, load averages: 0.17, 0.08, 0.01 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root v0 - 10:35PM - w kern.ostype: FreeBSD kern.osrelease: 2.2.2-RELEASE kern.osrevision: 199506 kern.version: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Sun Jun 22 06:49:10 CDT 1997 root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/TOAST kern.maxvnodes: 9982 kern.maxproc: 8212 kern.maxfiles: 16424 kern.argmax: 65536 kern.securelevel: -1 kern.hostname: toast.dragondata.com kern.hostid: 0 kern.clockrate: { hz = 100, tick = 10000, profhz = 1024, stathz = 128 } kern.posix1version: 199009 kern.ngroups: 16 kern.job_control: 1 kern.saved_ids: 0 kern.boottime: { sec = 869366130, usec = 238474 } Sat Jul 19 21:35:30 1997 kern.domainname: kern.update: 30 kern.osreldate: 222000 kern.bootfile: /kernel kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 kern.maxprocperuid: 8211 kern.dumpdev: { major = 255, minor = -65281 } kern.somaxconn: 128 kern.maxsockbuf: 262144 kern.ps_strings: -272637968 kern.usrstack: -272637952 kern.acct_suspend: 2 kern.acct_resume: 4 kern.acct_chkfreq: 15 kern.sockbuf_waste_factor: 8 kern.consmute: 0 vm.loadavg: { 0.13 0.07 0.01 } vm.v_free_min: 161 vm.v_free_target: 607 vm.v_free_reserved: 124 vm.v_inactive_target: 642 vm.v_cache_min: 793 vm.v_cache_max: 3174 vm.v_pageout_free_min: 34 vm.pageout_algorithm: 0 vm.swapping_enabled: 1 net.inet.ip.portrange.lowfirst: 1023 net.inet.ip.portrange.lowlast: 600 net.inet.ip.portrange.first: 1024 net.inet.ip.portrange.last: 5000 net.inet.ip.portrange.hifirst: 40000 net.inet.ip.portrange.hilast: 44999 net.inet.ip.forwarding: 0 net.inet.ip.redirect: 1 net.inet.ip.ttl: 64 net.inet.ip.rtexpire: 93 net.inet.ip.rtminexpire: 10 net.inet.ip.rtmaxcache: 128 net.inet.ip.sourceroute: 0 net.inet.ip.intr_queue_maxlen: 50 net.inet.ip.intr_queue_drops: 3 net.inet.ip.subnets_are_local: 0 net.inet.icmp.maskrepl: 0 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323: 1 net.inet.tcp.rfc1644: 1 net.inet.tcp.mssdflt: 512 net.inet.tcp.rttdflt: 3 net.inet.tcp.keepidle: 14400 net.inet.tcp.keepintvl: 150 net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 16384 net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 16384 net.inet.tcp.keepinit: 150 net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain: 0 net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive: 0 net.inet.udp.checksum: 1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram: 9216 net.inet.udp.recvspace: 41600 net.inet.udp.log_in_vain: 0 net.link.generic.system.ifcount: 2 net.link.ether.inet.prune_intvl: 300 net.link.ether.inet.max_age: 1200 net.link.ether.inet.host_down_time: 20 net.link.ether.inet.maxtries: 5 net.link.ether.inet.useloopback: 1 net.link.ether.inet.proxyall: 0 debug.elf_trace: 0 debug.fdexpand: 26 debug.ttydebug: 0 debug.vfscache: 1 debug.doasyncfree: 1 hw.machine: i386 hw.model: Overdrive Pentium hw.ncpu: 1 hw.byteorder: 1234 hw.physmem: 32227328 hw.usermem: 11010048 hw.pagesize: 4096 hw.floatingpoint: 1 machdep.consdev: { major = 0, minor = 0 } machdep.adjkerntz: 21600 machdep.disable_rtc_set: 0 machdep.wall_cmos_clock: 1 machdep.do_dump: 1 machdep.i8254_freq: 1193182 machdep.i586_freq: 166193910 user.cs_path: /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin: user.bc_base_max: 99 user.bc_dim_max: 2048 user.bc_scale_max: 99 user.bc_string_max: 1000 user.coll_weights_max: 0 user.expr_nest_max: 32 user.line_max: 2048 user.re_dup_max: 255 user.posix2_version: 199212 user.posix2_c_bind: 0 user.posix2_c_dev: 0 user.posix2_char_term: 0 user.posix2_fort_dev: 0 user.posix2_fort_run: 0 user.posix2_localedef: 0 user.posix2_sw_dev: 0 user.posix2_upe: 0 user.stream_max: 20 user.tzname_max: 255 Memory statistics by bucket size Size In Use Free Requests HighWater Couldfree 16 36 732 151934 1280 0 32 252 28164 1575243 640 184983 64 10608 336 8160560 320 0 128 10852 1660 20551573 160 58829 256 10670 27730 15682883 80 336156 512 34 22 919265 40 0 1K 107 81 24174557 20 1629743 2K 8 12 3616 10 1651 4K 5 2 78599 5 0 8K 3 1 5 5 0 16K 3 0 3 5 0 32K 3 0 3 5 0 Memory usage type by bucket size Size Type(s) 16 devbuf, pcb, routetbl, vnodes, proc, temp, sysctl 32 pcb, routetbl, pgrp, session, subproc, temp 64 routetbl, ifaddr, namecache, VM mapent, VM pgdata, file, lockf, in_multi 128 devbuf, pcb, routetbl, zombie, ifaddr, cred, vnodes, VM map, VM object, VM pgdata, file desc, ttys, isa_devlist 256 devbuf, socket, pcb, routetbl, vnodes, VM map, VM pgdata, file desc, subproc, FFS node, temp, select 512 devbuf, pcb, ioctlops, mount, UFS mount, VM pgdata, file desc, proc, temp, BIO buffer, select 1K devbuf, namei, UFS mount, VM pgdata, file desc, BIO buffer 2K devbuf, UFS mount, VM pgdata, file desc, proc, BIO buffer 4K devbuf, VM pgdata, temp 8K mbuf, VM pgdata, proc 16K devbuf 32K namecache, UFS quota, UFS mount Memory statistics by type Type Kern Type InUse MemUse HighUse Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s) mbuf 1 8K 8K 18586K 1 0 0 8K devbuf 22 70K 70K 18586K 35 0 0 16,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,16K socket 227 57K 132K 18586K 1984438 0 0 256 pcb 444 84K 197K 18586K 3636224 0 0 16,32,128,256,512 routetbl 398 56K 7945K 18586K 342339 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 zombie 0 0K 1K 18586K 919164 0 0 128 ifaddr 5 1K 1K 18586K 5 0 0 64,128 namei 0 0K 7K 18586K 23701795 0 0 1K ioctlops 0 0K 1K 18586K 1 0 0 512 cred 17 3K 4K 18586K 468884 0 0 128 pgrp 12 1K 1K 18586K 241807 0 0 32 session 11 1K 1K 18586K 240306 0 0 32 mount 2 1K 1K 18586K 2 0 0 512 vnodes 10010 1250K 1259K 18586K 144541 0 0 16,128,256 namecache 9983 656K 656K 18586K 9983 0 0 64,32K UFS quota 1 32K 32K 18586K 1 0 0 32K UFS mount 4 36K 36K 18586K 4 0 0 512,1K,2K,32K VM map 26 6K 11K 18586K 919190 0 0 128,256 VM mapent 511 32K 32K 18586K 511 0 0 64 VM object 359 45K 265K 18586K 16243439 0 0 128 VM pgdata 110 19K 29K 18586K 4200 0 0 64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K file 48 3K 22K 18586K 8003091 0 0 64 file desc 20 5K 7K 18586K 919209 0 0 128,256,512,1K,2K lockf 2 1K 1K 18586K 144906 0 0 64 proc 25 28K 38K 18586K 936525 0 0 16,512,2K,8K subproc 25 3K 4K 18586K 1838353 0 0 32,256 FFS node 9957 2490K 2496K 18586K 8926018 0 0 256 in_multi 2 1K 1K 18586K 2 0 0 64 temp 38 6K 19K 18586K 1133641 0 0 16,32,256,512,4K ttys 206 26K 36K 18586K 23333 0 0 128 isa_devlist 1 1K 1K 18586K 1 0 0 128 sysctl 0 0K 1K 18586K 31 0 0 16 BIO buffer 109 113K 180K 18586K 476356 0 0 512,1K,2K select 5 2K 3K 18586K 39905 0 0 256,512 Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests 5024K 8185K 71298241 245000829 cpu context switches 770788579 device interrupts 231968412 software interrupts 67973287 traps 1934988428 system calls 17397 swap pager pageins 40323 swap pager pages paged in 48095 swap pager pageouts 59770 swap pager pages paged out 18797 vnode pager pageins 59441 vnode pager pages paged in 0 vnode pager pageouts 0 vnode pager pages paged out 5192 page daemon wakeups 6928636 pages examined by the page daemon 172139 pages reactivated 17088511 copy-on-write faults 21885095 zero fill pages zeroed 248 intransit blocking page faults 46520860 total VM faults taken 48173662 pages freed 1483 pages freed by daemon 33562230 pages freed by exiting processes 1274 pages active 89 pages inactive 696 pages in VM cache 5173 pages wired down 511 pages free 4096 bytes per page 35264849 total name lookups cache hits (59% pos + 5% neg) system 5% per-directory deletions 0%, falsehits 2%, toolong 0% interrupt total rate clk0 irq0 1858437976 100 rtc0 irq8 -1916410325 -103 fdc0 irq6 1 0 wdc0 irq14 43332070 2 sc0 irq1 760736 0 ep0 irq10 784668121 42 Total 770788579 41 Any reason why the number of interrupts received shows up signed? :) I've got a 2.1 machine that's been up for 320 days now, before I kill that, if there's anything anyone wants me to look at, let me know. In any case, thanks to everyone who worked to make this system so stable. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 10:21:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06657 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06649 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21008 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:21:39 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34EDC9B3.AAF5A8AC@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:21:39 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CD-ROM filesystems / read ahead / caching... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it possible to set read aheads / caching parameters for cd9660 file systems / mounted CD's under FreeBSD? I have 2 x 7 CD-ROM jukeboxes which I mount (and share out via samba) - with the usual 'thrashing' that occurs when 2 people go for 2 CD's on the same drive but in different changer bays... I don't expect the file systems to do anything like delay reads to the second LUN until the 1st one is finished (after all, how would they know that without nasty time-outs etc. :-) - that's a bit beyond the scope of a fs I guess... - But I don't mind 'wasting' memory on say caching data, or setting very large read-aheads (e.g. 128k/256k). The box has a good 20Mb of RAM it can afford to burn on file system caching (OK, when I say 'burn' I mean I would like to tell it to use 20 Mb of physical RAM for CD-ROM cache buffers ;-) - I realise the system will allocate RAM and use it for caching 'as it sees best' - I just want to skew it a bit... Samba will let me set a read ahead of 16k, but I was wondering if there's anything that can be done in the filesystem area that would improve on this? Both units are seen as 2 SCSI ID's with 7 LUN's each, and appear as /dev/cd0a through cd13a etc. Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 10:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08668 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.jmrodgers.com ([205.247.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08637 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: from max.jmrodgers.com (max.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.209]) by mail.jmrodgers.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16048; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:38:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD3E03.222647C0.meuston@jmrodgers.com> From: Max Euston To: "'ac199@hwcn.org'" Cc: "'FreeBSD Hackers'" Subject: RE: Modifications to more(1) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:26:19 -0500 Organization: J.M. Rodgers Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, February 18, 1998 6:05 PM, Tim Vanderhoek [SMTP:ac199@hwcn.org] wrote: > [This was moved back to the list from email, with my endorsement] > > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Max Euston wrote: > > > From the code: it is to set the screen height of the terminal > > (override TERM=); you can quickly see this in 'more/option.c'. > [snip] > > Well, I've never used it; toss it. :) It didn't work in > 2.2.0-RELEASE (nor probably before that), and no one noticed. > I found this usage on an SCO system. I checked the CVSweb interface, and it has been broken from the beginning on FreeBSD. I agree that it should be tossed and will remove it since it is also non-standard. > > All style guides are wrong. Style should reflect functionality. > How can the functionality of a thousand-line program, or the > functionality of the gazillion different combinations of > keywords, identifiers, and operators composing one logical > operation ever possibly be reflected in a ~2000 word document? :-) > I agree completely, but I am being _very_ passive since this is my first modification to FreeBSD and I am using it to "learn the ropes" around here (this is also why I chose such a trivial change). ----- Max Euston Sysadm, Programmer, etc... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 12:18:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24341 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (root@gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24063 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:18:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (mike@localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08611; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:17:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802202017.MAA08611@ducky.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: John Birrell cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:33:17 +1100." <199802182033.HAA00495@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:17:18 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It has been suggested that we use one of these registers to > point to the running thread (in the kernel thread implementation). > If you're sure that FS is used in WIN32 to point to thread local > storage, then I guess we should use GS for the running thread. I'm sure that Win32 uses FS for this purpose. As far as I know, however, Win32 has no dedicated use fo GS. That said, I think that burning user registers on dedicated applications is a bad idea for binary emulation in general. Who's to say we won't find (say) some Win32 program that wants to use GS for its own nefarious purpuses? So if you want to dedicate GS as a thread-context pointer, do it merely as an initial value for the thread, like this: make GS one of the regular context-switch-saved registers make the initial GS for the thread point to the thread context thereafter, simply save and load GS on context switch the usual way That way, if the application has uses of its own for GS, it can simply go ahead and overwrite it without fear of reprisal. Oh yeah: provide another means to recover the thread context pointer... In general, I think a better way to do per-thread context might be to dedicate a single page at a known address whose mapping changes with the thread. Note that you can avoid the (very high) cost of flushing the whole TLB (MOVE to CR3) by using INVLPG to invalidate just that one page whenever doing a thread switch. This is assuming a kernel threads implementation, of course. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 12:40:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27522 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:40:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27164 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA24267; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd024265; Fri Feb 20 12:38:05 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id MAA23677; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:37:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199802202037.MAA23677@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: 215 day uptime on 2.2.2 In-Reply-To: <199802201643.KAA07581@home.dragondata.com> from Kevin Day at "Feb 20, 98 10:43:33 am" To: toasty@home.dragondata.com (Kevin Day) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:37:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a machine with 2.2.2R with a load of 1 to 2 for > 250 day, 1 week ago we had a poweroutage of over 3 hours, so the UPS run out of battery :-( > > I had a machine running on 2.2.2 running under heavy load for 215 days. I > finally had to take it down to move it. > > It's really really stable. :) > > In case anyone is curious about memory leaks over a long period of time, I > dumped some outputs before I killed it. > > > 10:36PM up 215 days, 2:01, 1 user, load averages: 0.17, 0.08, 0.01 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > root v0 - 10:35PM - w > > Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 12:46:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28846 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (root@gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28739 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (mike@localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08676; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:44:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802202044.MAA08676@ducky.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: John Birrell cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:34:54 +1100." <199802202034.HAA06792@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:44:43 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That doesn't serve the purpose. When the thread context switches, > a global variable to the threaded program needs to point to the > running thread malloced memory in user-space. All I'm saying is that having a context switch path like: reload usual registers force feed thread specific value into GS will burn GS and might hurt binary compatibility. If you simply make GS part of the initial thread state it will always point to the right thread context UNLESS the application reuses it. But perhaps you need a gauranteed way to get the thread context even if the thread is making no further calls to the library? Hmm, another way to avoid burning a register would be to instead context switch a *descriptor* in the LDT. Then loading GS with some standard fixed selector would be guaranteed to give you a segment referencing the thread data, but GS could be reused for other purposes at other times. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 12:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00100 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [207.105.15.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29988 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pst@Shockwave.COM) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06914 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:49:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pst@precipice.shockwave.com) Message-Id: <199802202049.MAA06914@precipice.shockwave.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:49:20 -0800 From: Paul Traina Subject: getting remote side of tcp connection's address before accept()? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: getting remote side of tcp connection's address before accept()? Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:49:20 -0800 From: Paul Traina Folks, I'd like to be able to refuse tcp connections to a particular daemon from a certain list of addresses. What I'd ideally like to do is bind and listen on a socket, then when a connection request comes in, check the remote peer's address information, and allow the connection only if the address info was correct. If I do it with a standard: bind listen accept if (!good_address) close The tcp connection is accepted and then closed. I want the TCP connection to be refused, never accepted. Under ISO/TP4, the accept(2) and recvmsg(2) manual pages inply you can pull this off by closing the accept'ed socket before ever doing any real read/write operations to it. Has anyone ever pulled this off with tcp sockets? ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 12:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00220 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:50:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28784 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA06792; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:34:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802202034.HAA06792@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers In-Reply-To: <199802202017.MAA08611@ducky.net> from Mike Haertel at "Feb 20, 98 12:17:18 pm" To: mike@ducky.net (Mike Haertel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:34:54 +1100 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Haertel wrote: > So if you want to dedicate GS as a thread-context pointer, do > it merely as an initial value for the thread, like this: > > make GS one of the regular context-switch-saved > registers make the initial GS for the thread point to > the thread context thereafter, simply save and load > GS on context switch the usual way That doesn't serve the purpose. When the thread context switches, a global variable to the threaded program needs to point to the running thread malloced memory in user-space. > Oh yeah: provide another means to recover the thread context > pointer... > > In general, I think a better way to do per-thread context > might be to dedicate a single page at a known address whose > mapping changes with the thread. Note that you can avoid the > (very high) cost of flushing the whole TLB (MOVE to CR3) by > using INVLPG to invalidate just that one page whenever > doing a thread switch. This is assuming a kernel threads > implementation, of course. That was thought to be wasteful of memory. Regards, -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 13:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03432 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:06:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03326 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:05:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA29920; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:52:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com Subject: msdosfs-vfat support Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey folks, I'm taking a look at the diffs that Luoqi has posted in the development directory on ftp.freebsd.org, and I tried patching them to my system... and it worked???? Clean patches? Whoa! Armed with this bit of euphoria, I'm tempted to recompile the kernel and try it. What happens now? Does it just "know" that I'm mounting a Win95 partition and Do The Right Thing? Or do I need to do something special? How crazy would it be to add this (or the other msdosfs diff someone came up with) to -STABLE for the impending release? It may be experimental, but our msdosfs has always been sort of...well...experimental anyway. :-) Wondering out loud again. I remember in the last discussion, the conclusion was "You msdosfs people get together and figure out what you're going to do", and I'd like to push for that! Pushing... Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 13:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04965 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:16:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.its.rpi.edu (root@phoenix.its.rpi.edu [128.113.161.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04928 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (dec@localhost) by phoenix.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20472; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:11 -0500 (EST) From: "David E. Cross" To: Mike Haertel cc: John Birrell , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers In-Reply-To: <199802202044.MAA08676@ducky.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Mike Haertel wrote: > will burn GS and might hurt binary compatibility. If you simply > make GS part of the initial thread state it will always point > to the right thread context UNLESS the application reuses it. > But perhaps you need a gauranteed way to get the thread context > even if the thread is making no further calls to the library? > If I am following the thread correctly, this is not an issue becuase the GS register is not save/restored currently.... so anything put into GS now is already burned. -- David Cross To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 13:46:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07976 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:46:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gateway1 (gateway1.dextracode.com [200.34.122.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07935 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcvp@dextracode.com) Received: from dextracode.com by Gateway1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03469; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:40:45 -0600 Message-ID: <34EDF90B.6119371E@dextracode.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:43:39 -0600 From: "J. C. Vazquez" Organization: Dextra Code X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-ROM filesystems / read ahead / caching... References: <34EDC9B3.AAF5A8AC@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there! I'm getting a "buss error" (signal SIGBUS) doing I/O with inb() and outb() to any port. This is running under FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT, logged on as root. Before this, I do open("/dev/io",RW) and check any return error. gdb says that the signal was received in outbv()/inbv(). The following is an example: ¦#include ... outb(0x70, 0x0); x1=inb(0x71); outb(0x70, 0x02); /* <-------- a "buss error" here, core nicely dumped */ ... Does anybody have an idea what's going on? Any help/comments will be highly appreciated. Thank you all. -jcvp- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 13:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08735 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08655 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:51:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0y602X-0001zp-00; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:31:25 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA17926; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:31:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802202131.OAA17926@harmony.village.org> To: Ulf Zimmermann Subject: Re: 215 day uptime on 2.2.2 Cc: toasty@home.dragondata.com (Kevin Day), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:37:55 PST." <199802202037.MAA23677@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> References: <199802202037.MAA23677@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:31:44 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199802202037.MAA23677@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Ulf Zimmermann writes: : I had a machine with 2.2.2R with a load of 1 to 2 for > 250 day, 1 week : ago we had a poweroutage of over 3 hours, so the UPS run out of battery :-( Until we took the machine down to install what later turned out to be a flakey internal modem, we had a 1.1.5.1R system that had been up for about 450 days.... However, I have seen VMS machines that have been up for years (at least a 4 digit uptime in the show system output). And someone posted an uptinme in the multiple years for some BSD or SYSV based machine last time the "my machine has been up longer than your machine" thread came through town. A sampling of our "hub" machines: ir (OS/MP 4.1C.3) 2:23pm up 114 days, 1:53, rover (FreeBSD-current from july) 2:26PM up 58 days, 5:52 Rover had been up in the 250 day range when I had to reboot it last... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 13:58:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09651 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gateway1 (gateway1.dextracode.com [200.34.122.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09476 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:57:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcvp@dextracode.com) Received: from dextracode.com by Gateway1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03558; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:54:31 -0600 Message-ID: <34EDFC45.E2DC6C33@dextracode.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:25 -0600 From: "J. C. Vazquez" Organization: Dextra Code X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: A "bus error" while doing outb()/inb() Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there! I'm getting a "buss error" (signal SIGBUS) doing I/O with inb() and outb() to any port. This is running under FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT, logged on as root. Before this, I do open("/dev/io",RW) and check any return error. gdb says that the signal was received in outbv()/inbv(). The following is an example: ¦#include ... outb(0x70, 0x0); x1=inb(0x71); outb(0x70, 0x02); /* <-------- a "buss error" here, core nicely dumped */ ... Does anybody have an idea what's going on? Any help/comments will be highly appreciated. Thank you all. -jcvp- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 14:10:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12112 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Received: from pr-comm.com (root@prcomm.roc.servtech.com [204.181.3.14]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22182 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pr-comm.com (housley@hatchling.int.pr-comm.com [192.168.70.48]) by pr-comm.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02376 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:08:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Message-ID: <34EDFEE4.67859B2F@pr-comm.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:08:36 -0500 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Games don't work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It would seem that after ctm src-2.2.0620 that when any of the games controled by dm are run and error "dm: /usr/games/hide/....: Permission denied". Changes in 620 were to make dm 2555 and not 4555 for mode. Permissions of the hide dir were also changed. I have fiddled some, but can't get a combination that works with out making dm setuid. The dm man page doesn't mention anything special. Is this a problem or just me? Thanks, Jim. -- -------------------------------------------+------------------------- James E. Housley | PGP: 1024/03983B4D PR Communications, Inc. | 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 www.servtech.com/public/pr-comm | 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 14:14:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12686 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:14:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p5.tfs.net [139.146.210.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12598 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA00800 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:14:11 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199802202214.QAA00800@unix.tfs.net> Subject: audio file format conversion? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:14:10 -0600 (CST) Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Feb 11 00:51:24 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG not sure if this is a -hackers question... i'm looking for a soundfile conversion utility. having problems using mxv [lame program], and just need a versatile command line thing... need to convert some stuff to wav from au and vice versa... any ideas? jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 14:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13535 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ducky.net (root@gate.ducky.net [198.145.101.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13461 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: from ducky.net (mike@localhost.ducky.net [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08729; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:02:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802202102.NAA08729@ducky.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "David E. Cross" cc: John Birrell , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wine problem with FS and GS segment registers In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:11 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:02:48 -0800 From: Mike Haertel Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If I am following the thread correctly, this is not an issue becuase the > GS register is not save/restored currently.... so anything put into GS > now is already burned. According to what somebody said yesterday, FS and GS are switched in -current. And in general with use of registers, the problem is not how WE are using them, which can be changed, but rather how OTHER SYSTEMS (that we might wish to be binary compatible with) use them, which we can't change. I am merely suggesting that it is nearly always a bad idea for the OS kernel to burn *any* user accessible register on a dedicated use. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 14:51:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19782 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-x2-0118.jumpnet.com [207.8.61.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19737 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id QAA04793; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:50:14 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting remote side of tcp connection's address before accept()? References: <199802202049.MAA06914@precipice.shockwave.com> From: Dave Marquardt Date: 20 Feb 1998 16:49:43 -0600 In-Reply-To: Paul Traina's message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:49:20 -0800" Message-ID: <85zpjl3n94.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Paul Traina writes: > I'd like to be able to refuse tcp connections to a particular daemon > from a certain list of addresses. > > What I'd ideally like to do is bind and listen on a socket, then > when a connection request comes in, check the remote peer's address > information, and allow the connection only if the address info > was correct. > > If I do it with a standard: > > bind > listen > accept > if (!good_address) > close > > The tcp connection is accepted and then closed. I want the TCP > connection to be refused, never accepted. > > Under ISO/TP4, the accept(2) and recvmsg(2) manual pages inply you > can pull this off by closing the accept'ed socket before ever doing > any real read/write operations to it. > > Has anyone ever pulled this off with tcp sockets? Well, this isn't possible using the same mechanism in the usual BSD code, unless you go into the protosw entry for TCP and turn on the PR_WANTRCVD flag (I think) and rebuild your kernel. Completely non-portable, obviously. You might read "TCP/IP Illustrated" by Stevens and Wright for more information on this. I'm completely unfamiliar with ipfw, but you might investigate it. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 15:30:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26030 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:30:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25979 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:30:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id RAA06531; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:25:31 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Jim Bryant cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: audio file format conversion? In-Reply-To: <199802202214.QAA00800@unix.tfs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Jim Bryant wrote: > > not sure if this is a -hackers question... > > i'm looking for a soundfile conversion utility. having problems using > mxv [lame program], and just need a versatile command line thing... > need to convert some stuff to wav from au and vice versa... sox Exactly what your looking for. /usr/ports/audio/sox Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 15:46:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29452 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29364 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05904; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:45:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802202345.PAA05904@rah.star-gate.com> To: jbryant@unix.tfs.net cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: audio file format conversion? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:14:10 CST." <199802202214.QAA00800@unix.tfs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5901.888018339.1@rah> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:45:39 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Congratulations, you got the wrong mailing list !! The command line utility which you are looking for is sox and it should be in the ports/audio section. If in the future you do wish to post similar questions to the right mailing list --- feel free to post to multimedia@freebsd.org. Have fun, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 15:46:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29518 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:46:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29480 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: (from arg@localhost) by arg1.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24227; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:00:56 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:00:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: Alfred Perlstein cc: fredy@elitenet.com.br, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it possible? What do I need? In-Reply-To: <00ad01bd3b04$d6faa3a0$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Alfred Perlstein wrote: [on the subject of discless FreeBSD systems] > i know how (theory)*and* and i don't know how (reality) :) The conventional way of doing this is documented in section 14.3 of the Handbook. > you will need to burn this boot floppy to a rom chip and put it on the > network cards. and if you don't want to to tear your hair out, i would > suggest a 100mbs setup so swapping over NFS doesn't make you scream.... The boot ROM image is not related to floppies; it has to be much smaller than a floppy to fit typical cards (in fact, it fits easily in a 16Kbyte EPROM). Swapping over 10Mbit/sec Ethernet works fine; in fact, there is no boot ROM support available for any 100Mbit cards at present. It is reasonably easy to set up; I'd be happy to help if you have problems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 15:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00403 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:52:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00362 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21935; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:51:43 -0800 (PST) To: Brian Handy cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, luoqi@watermarkgroup.com Subject: Re: msdosfs-vfat support In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:52:20 PST." Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:51:42 -0800 Message-ID: <21931.888018702@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How crazy would it be to add this (or the other msdosfs diff someone came > up with) to -STABLE for the impending release? It may be experimental, > but our msdosfs has always been sort of...well...experimental anyway. :-) Well, considering how viciously broken our MSDOSFS is I certainly wouldn't mind something better entering -stable, though it would still have to be provably better of course. Another plus would be that I could take the stand-alone DOS code out of sysinstall and just use the kernel version; it's a lot more bloated than the stand-alone version but we'd at least be able to install from VFAT/FAT32 partitions then. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 15:58:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02332 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02289 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:58:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23629; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:06:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980220190606.03679@vmunix.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:06:06 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Warner Losh , Ulf Zimmermann Cc: Kevin Day , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 215 day uptime on 2.2.2 References: <199802202037.MAA23677@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> <199802202131.OAA17926@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802202131.OAA17926@harmony.village.org>; from Warner Losh on Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 02:31:44PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 02:31:44PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <199802202037.MAA23677@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Ulf > Zimmermann writes: > : I had a machine with 2.2.2R with a load of 1 to 2 for > 250 day, 1 week > : ago we had a poweroutage of over 3 hours, so the UPS run out of battery :-( > > However, I have seen VMS machines that have been up for years (at > least a 4 digit uptime in the show system output). And someone posted > an uptinme in the multiple years for some BSD or SYSV based machine > last time the "my machine has been up longer than your machine" thread > came through town. I find that in general VMS and most UNIX systems, once setup and working, almost never go down except to replace flakey hardware. And if you've got a real machine, even that doesn't do anything :-) mmayo:{6}/home/mmayo % uname AIX mmayo:{7}/home/mmayo % uptime 06:54PM up 801 days, 7:47, 3 users, load average: 3.02, 2.26, 2.24 This is an AIX 3.2.5 machine who's only purpose in life is to do Oracle... It's pounded very hard, with huge disk IO, and in the 2.5 years of so I've been using it, 3 SCSI disks have gone belly up, and over 120 GB of extra disks have been added. And it's never gone down once! Hey, if IBM can pull it off, that says something! :-) -Mark > Warner > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 16:05:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03671 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thunderdome.plutotech.com (root@thunderdome.plutotech.com [206.168.67.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03582 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:05:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by thunderdome.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19707; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA24110; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199802210005.RAA24110@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: CD-ROM filesystems / read ahead / caching... In-Reply-To: <34EDC9B3.AAF5A8AC@tdx.co.uk> from Karl Pielorz at "Feb 20, 98 06:21:39 pm" To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:05 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Karl Pielorz wrote... > Is it possible to set read aheads / caching parameters for cd9660 file systems > / mounted CD's under FreeBSD? > > I have 2 x 7 CD-ROM jukeboxes which I mount (and share out via samba) - with > the usual 'thrashing' that occurs when 2 people go for 2 CD's on the same > drive but in different changer bays... > > I don't expect the file systems to do anything like delay reads to the second > LUN until the 1st one is finished (after all, how would they know that without > nasty time-outs etc. :-) - that's a bit beyond the scope of a fs I guess... > - But I don't mind 'wasting' memory on say caching data, or setting very > large read-aheads (e.g. 128k/256k). Interesting you should bring this problem up. :) I am almost done with some code in the CAM CD driver to solve exactly that problem. Lars Fredriksen was nice enough to send me his 7-CD changer so I could get this code working. Basically, the code as it is now sets up mutually exclusive access to each disc in a changer. i.e., while one disc (lun) is active, commands for other luns/discs are queued and not sent to the drive. Thus the changer won't switch so often and thrash. I have low-end and high-end timeouts that are configurable. The low end timeout sets the amount of time that a particular lun *must* be given, and the high end timeout sets the maximum amount of time a lun will be allowed to take if there is other I/O waiting. I am working on a method to calculate and factor out a changer's change time from the minimum and maximum timeouts. Changer detection is done more or less automatically -- if a CD device shows up on a lun greater than 0, it is considered to be part of a changer. Every lun on that device is then marked as part of the changer, and each lun is put in a special changer queue system. I do have provision to specify quirk entries for devices that should not be treated as changers. I will hopefully have this code in the next CAM snapshot, so you can test it out and see if it helps with your problem. (If you're willing to run -current and CAM, that is.) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 16:07:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04253 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04034 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:06:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA00801; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:04:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:04:03 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: Chris Timmons Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote: > [My Xemacs quit working with the latest -STABLE upgrade] On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Chris Timmons wrote: >I rebuilt world and kernel and my xemacs-20.3 from late december seems to >work fine. My machine has RAM-o-plenty; any chance your machine has to >start swapping once you get a lot of things going in xemacs? Hehe...I have no RAM problems. 192MB+650MB of Swap, and I've been able to fail it completely on an unloaded system. Furthermore, it *used* to work so I don't think that suddenly "I don't have enough swap". I don't even have enough running to crash up against login.conf, the evil I usually blame everything on. (Have I said login.conf was a huge step backward? It was. :-) I went through last night and rebuilt the world, then rebuilt the kernel. For good measure I rebuit xemacs today. AND...it's still broken here. Am I alone in this? I guess I wouldn't be totally surprised to find out something was screwed with my system. The damage seems to be limited to xemacs. To recap, I can get xemacs to hang generally in a matter of minutes. I open a couple of files -- typically in a couple of different modes, I use LaTeX and IDL a lot. Then suddenly it goes to sleep, no longer redraws itself, hangs itself hard. Not sure why. Must go, vi calls, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 16:33:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10853 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:33:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10828 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:33:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16255; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:33:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: Brian Handy cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmm... sounds like we need to call KTRACEman to the rescue! I'll go home and recompile my xemacs, maybe that will help me screw up my working system :) If you have some free disk space and a KTRACE kernel, could you see what the last thing it is doing before it sleeps? -c To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 17:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17028 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16949 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:07:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA32082; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:43 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: Chris Timmons Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [Waaaah, I've lost my xemacs!] > >If you have some free disk space and a KTRACE kernel, could you see what >the last thing it is doing before it sleeps? OK, I've got it. I'm not sure how much data people want, I've never KTRACEd before. Nevertheless, I ran it a couple of times, and I keep hanging on this: 6114 xemacs-20.3 RET ioctl 0 6114 xemacs-20.3 CALL write(0x7,0xefbf9c6c,0x1f0) 6114 xemacs-20.3 GIO fd 7 wrote 496 bytes "\M^_....[bunch of lines of line noise here]..." [.....] 6114 xemacs-20.3 RET write 496/0x1f0 6114 xemacs-20.3 CALL ioctl(0x7,0x20005001 ,0) The next time I did it, it looked like this: 6128 xemacs-20.3 CALL ioctl(0x7,0xc0044d04 ,0xefbf8a24) 6128 xemacs-20.3 RET ioctl 0 6128 xemacs-20.3 CALL write(0x7,0xefbf8cf0,0xad4) 6128 xemacs-20.3 GIO fd 7 wrote 2772 bytes "wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww\M^?[...more line noise...]" 6128 xemacs-20.3 RET write 2772/0xad4 6128 xemacs-20.3 CALL ioctl(0x7,0x20005001 ,0) So...I'm not sure what this means, or if I've supplied any sort of useful information. Or what else I'm missing? But it's easy enough for me to reproduce. Let me know what else might help. I wonder, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 17:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19354 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:15:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19339 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA15312; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:32:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA16344; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:31:58 -0600 (CST) To: Brian Handy Cc: Chris Timmons , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE References: From: stephen farrell Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 20 Feb 1998 18:31:58 -0600 In-Reply-To: Brian Handy's message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:04:03 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: <87n2flol1d.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Handy writes: > I wrote: > > [My Xemacs quit working with the latest -STABLE upgrade] > > On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Chris Timmons wrote: > > >I rebuilt world and kernel and my xemacs-20.3 from late december seems to > >work fine. My machine has RAM-o-plenty; any chance your machine has to > >start swapping once you get a lot of things going in xemacs? > > Hehe...I have no RAM problems. 192MB+650MB of Swap, and I've been able to > fail it completely on an unloaded system. Furthermore, it *used* to work > so I don't think that suddenly "I don't have enough swap". I don't even > have enough running to crash up against login.conf, the evil I usually > blame everything on. (Have I said login.conf was a huge step backward? > It was. :-) Hm... sounds like your limits from login.conf are causing the trouble, don't you think? Why don't you add yourself as root and just set everything to unlimited/infinity and see if that fixes it? Probably a good idea for a single-user (mostly) box anytway. Another vote from me for a installation option "turn off draconic settings in login.conf for a (mostly) single-user machine". -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 17:21:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20506 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:21:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20429 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA29797; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:13:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE (fwd) Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Apologies to Steve Farrel, who just got this in his personal box when I had planned to send it to -hackers] [More Xemacs wondering] Oh, hey...looking at it with 'top' right when it crashed, I saw this: 6223 handy -6 0 6260K 8924K sndsyn 0:07 1.07% 1.07% xemacs-20.3 What kind of state is 'sndsyn'? Could this be a hint? Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 17:22:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20800 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp1700.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20390; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:20:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00907; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:04:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Søren Schmidt cc: freebsd@isvara.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting FreeBSD from DOS In-Reply-To: <199802201156.MAA02555@sos.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Søren Schmidt wrote: > > how can I boot FreeBSD up from DOS? Is these a executable similar to > > 'loadlin.exe', but for FreeBSD, not Linux? > > fbsdboot.exe (/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/dosboot/*) /usr/mdec/fbsdboot.exe if you're not inclined to compiling it. -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 17:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27261 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:53:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27216 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA27074; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA17599; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:52:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:52:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199802210152.SAA17599@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Handy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Handy writes: > [Apologies to Steve Farrel, who just got this in his personal box when I > had planned to send it to -hackers] > > [More Xemacs wondering] > Oh, hey...looking at it with 'top' right when it crashed, I saw this: > > 6223 handy -6 0 6260K 8924K sndsyn 0:07 1.07% 1.07% xemacs-20.3 You just added sound to your system, didn't you? Apparently XEmacs is trying to do something with your sound stuff, and it's not working. :( Remove/disable the pcm driver from your system and see if it works better. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 18:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00530 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:09:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00510 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:08:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA27250; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:08:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:08:49 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy To: Nate Williams Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xemacs doesn't like -STABLE (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199802210152.SAA17599@mt.sri.com> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Nate Williams wrote: >> 6223 handy -6 0 6260K 8924K sndsyn 0:07 1.07% 1.07% xemacs-20.3 > >You just added sound to your system, didn't you? Apparently XEmacs is >trying to do something with your sound stuff, and it's not working. :( > >Remove/disable the pcm driver from your system and see if it works >better. I think this did it. I reverted to the old sound drivers, I've loaded up Xemacs with a bunch of files, jumped around, and I've got noise coming out of my speakers now when I Do The Right Things. I didn't get that with the Luigi Sound code. SO: I hold up my Cigarette lighter to Nate. <*Click*> I submit Xemacs hates Luigi's sound code. I like Xemacs, I use it all the time these days...but I am *not* going to be able to solve this one...patches not forthcoming. :-/ Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 18:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01141 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:13:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01115; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:13:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07533; Fri, 20 Feb 98 21:12:21 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA20168; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:11:36 -0500 Message-Id: <19980220211135.62939@ct.picker.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:11:35 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: James Van Artsdalen , Robert Beer Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: emacs & less bug (process disowned) References: <000901bd3c41$d704f8d0$9ba9a68f@pest.us.dell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <000901bd3c41$d704f8d0$9ba9a68f@pest.us.dell.com>; from James Van Artsdalen on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 01:50:11AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG James Van Artsdalen: | $ EDITOR=emacs less foo.c | |and type "v" in less, less invokes emacs to edit the file. |If I then press ^G in emacs, both less and emacs see |the SIGINT, not just emacs. Robert Beer: |I have been (slowly) investigating something much like you describe with |emacs in a telnet session. I think you will find that emacs is receiving a |SIGSTOP and not a SIGINT. | |This appears to be a bad telnet client and server interaction. Does anyone |have any further insight(s) into this problem? I'm seeing the same thing inside a mailer I've been using (Mutt) on 3.0-971208-SNAP. I have "emacs -nw" set up to be my message editor. When I go off to edit a message, all is fine until I hit ^G in Emacs. Then it appears that somehow Mutt wakes up and takes control of the terminal as if I'd exited Emacs, but Emacs of course is still running and attached to the terminal. Hitting ^L to refresh the screen results in both Emacs and Mutt refreshing their displays; sometimes mutt will be last, sometimes Emacs; and their both hooked in looking at the keys being hit. Pretty ugly. Doing a ps listing, it appears that somehow the editing Emacs process is no longer a child process of Mutt, but has been disowned and is now owned by init. Why this is happening I don't know but it at least this process parenting change explains why Mutt seems to wake up and take control of the terminal. Its child process is no longer its child. > ps -auwx | egrep 'mutt|emacs' | grep -v grep 2965 325 rhh mutt rhh 2965 0.0 1.4 868 628 p0 S+ 9:02PM 0:00.17 mutt 2967 1 rhh emacs -nw /usr/t rhh 2967 0.0 4.6 2472 2156 p0 I+ 9:02PM 0:00.39 emacs -nw /usr/tmp/mutt-stealth-2965- Any thoughts? Randall Hopper To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 20 19:50:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16945 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ingenieria ([168.176.15.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16849; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:49:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from y-carden@uniandes.edu.co) Received: from uniandes.edu.co by ingenieria (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA08562; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: <34EE4E1A.1B0EDDF7@uniandes.edu.co> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:46:35 -0500 From: "Yonny Cardenas B." Organization: Universidad de los Andes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG CC: "hackers@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: apache with php Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9326DCECAD9E9F89A37F7313" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------9326DCECAD9E9F89A37F7313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I download the port for apache-php, but it give me the following message: #make install apache-php.1.2.1 is marked as broken php conf-dialogue needs knowledge of include an library paths. # What I need do ? Thanks ------------------------------------------------- YONNY CARDENAS B. Systems Engineer e-mail : y-carden@uniandes.edu.co --------------9326DCECAD9E9F89A37F7313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Hello



I download the port for apache-php, but it give me



the following message:



#make install



apache-php.1.2.1 is marked as broken php conf-dialogue



needs knowledge of include an library paths.



#



What I need do ?



Thanks



       -------------------------------------------------
        YONNY CARDENAS B.
        Systems Engineer                                 
        e-mail : y-carden@uniandes.edu.co

 

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On Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 05:08:36PM -0500, James E. Housley wrote:
> It would seem that after ctm src-2.2.0620 that when any of the games
> controled by dm are run and error "dm: /usr/games/hide/....: Permission
> denied".  Changes in 620 were to make dm 2555 and not 4555 for mode. 
> Permissions of the hide dir were also changed.  I have fiddled some, but
> can't get a combination that works with out making dm setuid.  The dm
> man page doesn't mention anything special.  Is this a problem or just
> me?

That's the result of a partial merge from -current.  I've fixed it,
since the changes in -current were originally mine.  Get the latest
sources, and everything should be fine.

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According to Randall Hopper:
> Any thoughts?

The problem is that emacs plays with SIGIO (^G) and due to a bug in /bin/sh 
(used to run emacs from Mutt), it makes emacs detach. There even now an
option for mutt to use another shell.

Run configure with

 --with-exec-shell=SHELL    Specify alternate shell (ONLY if /bin/sh is broken)

Details are a bit muddy in my memory but that should do it.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr
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Søren Schmidt wrote:

> fbsdboot.exe (/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/dosboot/*)

Yeah, great. Now I've build a nice slick boot menu with FreeBSD and Win95, etc
on. This allows me to run my Cyrix optimizer before I boot FreeBSD - great!

Thanx,
    Dan

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On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Igor Roshchin wrote:

> 
> Since people are discussing what they want to see in 2.2.6,
> I decided to repeat my old posting since it went unnoticed
> (there were neither positive nor negative response to it)
> 
> /etc/crontab:
> 
> # do daily/weekly/monthly maintenance
> 0       2       *       *       *       root    /etc/daily 2>&1 | sendmail root
> 
> This script will not work once a year, and twice a day on another day,

This is a bug in cron(8), not in crontab(5) or /etc/daily.  There is a 
rumour that someone has patches to cron which will correct this; would 
that person please make him/herself known so the patches can be reviewed 
and committed.


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>> fbsdboot.exe (/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/dosboot/*)
>
>Yeah, great. Now I've build a nice slick boot menu with FreeBSD and Win95,
etc
>on. This allows me to run my Cyrix optimizer before I boot FreeBSD - great!


what does it do? go out and buy an AMD? :)

seriously, you might want to look into the kernel config options, there are
some specific CPU settings that can be made look in
/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT for the options.

that way you can get around the ugly hack.

-Alfred


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To: hm@kts.org, ISDN for BSD ,
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On Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 09:23:12AM +0100, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote:
> 
> After almost a year of development, the first publically available version
> of isdn4bsd - an ISDN package for FreeBSD and NetBSD supporting the DSS1
> or Euro-ISDN protocol suite - has been made available for alpha test.

Yuppeeeeeeee !!!!! ;-)))))

Sie sagte schon Gildo Horn:

	Danke !

Viele Grüße

	Andreas ///

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On 1998-02-21 13:05 +0100, Andreas Klemm  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 1998 at 09:23:12AM +0100, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote:
> > 
> > After almost a year of development, the first publically available version
> > of isdn4bsd - an ISDN package for FreeBSD and NetBSD supporting the DSS1
> > or Euro-ISDN protocol suite - has been made available for alpha test.
> 
> Yuppeeeeeeee !!!!! ;-)))))
> 
> Sie sagte schon Gildo Horn:
> 
> 	Danke !

Dem kann ich mich nur anschliessen!

Die Installation war viel einfacher als die des 
anderen, bisher von mir verwendeten Konkurrenz-
produkts :) und es läuft tatsächlich jetzt 
schon besser !

(Z.B. ping-Zeiten und generell interaktives 
Arbeiten während FTP-Transfer sind deutlich 
günstiger als mit BISDN, allerdings habe ich
in meinen paar Tests geringere Transferraten
erreicht, kann aber auch andere Gründen haben
und ist im Augenblick überhaupt nicht das 
Thema!)

Wie stehen die Chancen diesen Code in den 
angekündigten 3.0-SNAP zu bekommen ?

Nur um der Welt zu zeigen, daß ISDN auch mit
FreeBSD mal etwas ganz normales sein wird :)

Jedenfalls fliegt bei mir jetzt sofort der ganze 
BISDN-Kram raus. Sofort!

Vielen Dank für eure ausdauernde Arbeit an ISDN!

Beste Grüße,

STefan

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A minor bugfix for my audio driver and pcaudio. The problem is with
signals delivered to a process writing to the audio device the
system: if you try

	cat /dev/zero > /dev/dsp (or cat /dev/zero > /dev/pcaudio)

and press Ctrl-C : for a second or two the system appears to freeze
(e.g. the cursor will disappear if you move the mouse, xclock
blocks, etc.). I think that interrupts etc. still run so the problem
is not too terrible, but still annoying

The problem has been there for a long time, since I thought that a
ctrl-c would cause tsleep() to return EINTR, not ERESTART. If someone
can explain why i'd be glad to know...
In any case the fix is trivial (attached below -- file dmabuf.c).
The same problem is present in /sys/i386/isa/pcaudio.c (at least on
2.2.1 -- i am not too -current so i don't know if it has been fixed
recently) where an ERESTART returned by the tsleep() is discarded.
The fix there is equally simple -- remove the test for ERESTART in
the two lines which use it, which look like this:

	    if (error != 0 && error != ERESTART) {

While you are at it, there is a minor bug in sb_dsp.c -- the driver
reports ESS cards as able to do 16-bit, but it has no support for it.
So, in file /sys/i386/isa/snd/sb_dsp.c line 621 below should be removed:

621:    d->audio_fmt |= AFMT_S16_LE; /* not yet... */

Ok, here follows the simple patch to /sys/i386/isa/snd/dmabuf.c

	cheers
	luigi

--- /tmp/dmabuf.c	Sat Feb 21 14:10:48 1998
+++ dmabuf.c	Sat Feb 21 14:03:07 1998
@@ -273,7 +273,7 @@
 	    if (ret == EINTR)
 		d->flags |= SND_F_ABORTING ;
 	    splx(s);
-	    if (ret == EINTR)
+	    if (ret == EINTR || ret == ERESTART)
 		break ;
             continue;
         }
@@ -556,7 +556,7 @@
 	    if (ret == EINTR)
 		d->flags |= SND_F_ABORTING ;
 	    splx(s);
-	    if (ret == EINTR)
+	    if (ret == EINTR || ret == ERESTART)
 		break ;
             continue;
         }

-----------------------------+--------------------------------------
Luigi Rizzo                  |  Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione
email: luigi@iet.unipi.it    |  Universita' di Pisa
tel: +39-50-568533           |  via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy)
fax: +39-50-568522           |  http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/
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I guess we can forego further research and assume that the ioctl KTRACE
should you hanging on was in the sound subsystem then.  Don't you just
love KTRACE?  You can learn so much about a problem in a hurry.  (Don't
forget about truss, either, which is in -current.) 

-Chris

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Brian Handy wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Nate Williams wrote:
> 
> >>  6223 handy    -6   0  6260K  8924K sndsyn   0:07  1.07%  1.07% xemacs-20.3
> >
> >You just added sound to your system, didn't you?  Apparently XEmacs is
> >trying to do something with your sound stuff, and it's not working. :(
> >
> >Remove/disable the pcm driver from your system and see if it works
> >better.
> 
> I think this did it.  I reverted to the old sound drivers, I've loaded up
> Xemacs with a bunch of files, jumped around, and I've got noise coming out
> of my speakers now when I Do The Right Things.  I didn't get that with the
> Luigi Sound code.
> 
> SO:  I hold up my Cigarette lighter to Nate.  <*Click*> I submit Xemacs
> hates Luigi's sound code.
> 
> I like Xemacs, I use it all the time these days...but I am *not* going to
> be able to solve this one...patches not forthcoming.  :-/
> 
> 
> Brian
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Hi all. I've been coding up a prototype "FreeBSD Project Database"
page, and I'm seeking opinions on if I should use Javascript..
Javascript lets me do some handy error checking on the client side
before requests and such get sent into the database server, as well
as opening up some better design possibilities... I'm concerned however
that the use of Javascript will limit the number of people that can
use the site. 

Opinions? Is *everybody* using Netscape now, or do a significant
portion of people still use lynx or something without Javascript?
(I know I use Lynx quite often, but when there are forms involved
I generally use Netscape anyhow - which is what got me thinking
about the Javascript stuff.)

-Mark

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> Wie stehen die Chancen diesen Code in den 
> angekündigten 3.0-SNAP zu bekommen ?

Das habe Ich der Helmut schon gefragt.  Er schlagt vor, das Wir
wirklich auf ISDN BETA fur -current warten sollte. :)

[Translation:  Stefan wants to know if the new ISDN code is going
to come into -current and be part of the upcoming 3.0 SNAP.  Helmut
recommends against the code coming into -current until it reaches
BETA status, however, so that's quite unlikely.]

> Vielen Dank für eure ausdauernde Arbeit an ISDN!

Ebenfalls!

				Jordan

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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Mark Mayo wrote:

>Hi all. I've been coding up a prototype "FreeBSD Project Database"
>page, and I'm seeking opinions on if I should use Javascript..
>Javascript lets me do some handy error checking on the client side
>before requests and such get sent into the database server, as well
>as opening up some better design possibilities... I'm concerned however
>that the use of Javascript will limit the number of people that can
>use the site. 
>
>Opinions? Is *everybody* using Netscape now, or do a significant

I use lynx more than netscape. Besides, even in netscape, I don't
accept cookies, java or javascript. Are there other ways of
accomplishing the error checking without excluding people or adding to
their load times?

-- Jay

>portion of people still use lynx or something without Javascript?
>(I know I use Lynx quite often, but when there are forms involved
>I generally use Netscape anyhow - which is what got me thinking
>about the Javascript stuff.)
>
>-Mark
>
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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Jay Nelson wrote:

> >Hi all. I've been coding up a prototype "FreeBSD Project Database"
> >page, and I'm seeking opinions on if I should use Javascript..
> >Javascript lets me do some handy error checking on the client side
> >before requests and such get sent into the database server, as well
> >as opening up some better design possibilities... I'm concerned however
> >that the use of Javascript will limit the number of people that can
> >use the site. 
> >
> >Opinions? Is *everybody* using Netscape now, or do a significant
> 
> I use lynx more than netscape. Besides, even in netscape, I don't
> accept cookies, java or javascript. Are there other ways of
> accomplishing the error checking without excluding people or adding to
> their load times?

I also use lynx quite frequently -- especially for accessing
www.freebsd.org pages (such as the handbook or searching mailing lists).
I think retaining full availability to lynx is extremely important.  I
also disable cookies and javascript in Netscape -- it bugs me greatly, for
example, that the United web-site requires me to use cookies to get
scheduling information.  When I first tried to get scheduling information
from their page, it gave me lots of "Page contains no data" type errors.
I emailed them to ask why -- their webmaster responded back a week or two
later (after my proposed flight, btw) indicating I have to turn cookies
on.  I sent an email back indicating it was against our policy to let
cookies through our firewall (whatever), could they provide a page
compatible with our policy?  They did not respond.

Needless to say, I now use USAir's web page, which is much easier to use
(no nasty frames and javascript/cookies crud), and do not buy my tickets
from United.  Being able to see all the possible schedules before I call
is really very helpful, especially if I need to have my flights coincide
with someone else's, but meet tham at one of the lay-over points.

Similarly, I would not use the project database if it required
cookies/javascript.  :)  United Airlines really bugged me, and no doubt it
shows.  :)  Ah well.


  Robert N Watson 

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> On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Mark Mayo wrote:
> >Hi all. I've been coding up a prototype "FreeBSD Project Database"
> >page, and I'm seeking opinions on if I should use Javascript..
> >Javascript lets me do some handy error checking on the client side
> >before requests and such get sent into the database server, as well
> >as opening up some better design possibilities... I'm concerned however
> >that the use of Javascript will limit the number of people that can
> >use the site. 
> >
> >Opinions? Is *everybody* using Netscape now, or do a significant
> >...

I'd go for an intermediate solution.  Use the JavaScript for error
checking; but design the page so that it still works without the
JavaScript portions.

Remember, even with JavaScript doing error checking, the server
side forms handling should -always- do it's own error checking.
There is no guarantee that the data actually came from your form...


'Better design possibilities' is a vague and covers a lot of possible
territory.  Would PHP help you retain some of them?  Since it is a
server-side module, the results don't require any specific browser
capability beyond the version of HTML being emitted.  And since the
PHP script can check the browser id string, it can modify the HTML
that is returned based on a priori knowlege of the browser's capabilities.
Of course it can't tell whether a Netscape/MSIE user has turned off
JavaScript; but it could avoid emitting the SCRIPT blocks and NOSCRIPT
tags to browsers that are known not to support JavaScript at all.



-Pat


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On Sat, Feb 21, 1998 at 10:43:04AM -0600, Jay Nelson wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Mark Mayo wrote:
> 
> >Hi all. I've been coding up a prototype "FreeBSD Project Database"
> >page, and I'm seeking opinions on if I should use Javascript..
> >Javascript lets me do some handy error checking on the client side
> >before requests and such get sent into the database server, as well
> >as opening up some better design possibilities... I'm concerned however
> >that the use of Javascript will limit the number of people that can
> >use the site. 
> >
> >Opinions? Is *everybody* using Netscape now, or do a significant
> 
> I use lynx more than netscape. Besides, even in netscape, I don't
> accept cookies, java or javascript. Are there other ways of
> accomplishing the error checking without excluding people or adding to
> their load times?

Yeah, I will definately make it so that any plain-jane browser
should work.. Javascript is nice, but I think I'll forget about it
for now, or figure out a way to do both (client side and server side
error checking) so that people with javascript clients get nice
fast error feedback but people that don't have it will be informed
when they submit forms, etc..

Thanks,
-Mark

> 
> -- Jay
> 
> >portion of people still use lynx or something without Javascript?
> >(I know I use Lynx quite often, but when there are forms involved
> >I generally use Netscape anyhow - which is what got me thinking
> >about the Javascript stuff.)
> >
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On Sat, Feb 21, 1998 at 11:58:21AM -0500, Robert Watson wrote:
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[SNIP]

> Similarly, I would not use the project database if it required
> cookies/javascript.  :)  

That's what I thought.. okay then, no cookies or javascript! :-)

cya,
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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Mark Mayo wrote:

> as opening up some better design possibilities... I'm concerned however
> that the use of Javascript will limit the number of people that can
> use the site. 
> 
> Opinions? Is *everybody* using Netscape now, or do a significant
> portion of people still use lynx or something without Javascript?

The hits, excluding robots, on www.freebsd.org are roughly 60%
Netscape, 30% MSIE, 6% Lynx and a large variety filling in the
remaining 4%.  Proportions for specific pages may vary, and all
web server stats must be viewed skeptically; there is just so
many ways for things to be mis-counted.

Writing javascript that is portable across versions of Netscape
and MSIE is a pain in the butt, but if you can put up with it and
provide a workable mechanism for people who can't or won't use
JS, then it is fine.

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well, i am trying to compile some of the latest ports and it's quite
a mess since some use tk4.1, some tk4.2, some tk 8.0 ...

I already hated tk for its abundant runtime errors (reminds me of when i
used to run basic programs and there was no compiler... circa 1981...)
and this need of having 3 or more versions of tk installed makes me
hate it even more (plus, i think manpages for all these version will
overwrite each other...)

So my questions are:

1) is there any hope to settle on some "standard" version of tk/tcl
   and try to have most ports use that one; 

2) could we flag ports which do not use the "standard" version of
   tk/tcl so that one needs to do

	make YES_I_REALLY_WANT_THIS_BLOAT

   to compile them ... maybe this would help some volunteer to fix the
   port.

3) is there a simple way to list all ports which depend on a given
   package (e.g. tk4.1, tk4.2 etc...) again to have an idea of what to
   fix.

	cheers
	luigi
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This should have been sent to -ports, not -hackers.


On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote:

> I already hated tk for its abundant runtime errors (reminds me of when i
> used to run basic programs and there was no compiler... circa 1981...)
> and this need of having 3 or more versions of tk installed makes me

You mean just like having many different widget libraries?

> 1) is there any hope to settle on some "standard" version of tk/tcl
>    and try to have most ports use that one; 

Yes.  tk80.  Tk81 also exists, and maybe should be used, but I
think it's possibly best to continue using tk80 over tk81.  Maybe
not. :)  I've not idea what differences exist between the two.


> 2) could we flag ports which do not use the "standard" version of
>    tk/tcl so that one needs to do
> 
> 	make YES_I_REALLY_WANT_THIS_BLOAT

I doubt it.


> 3) is there a simple way to list all ports which depend on a given
>    package (e.g. tk4.1, tk4.2 etc...) again to have an idea of what to
>    fix.

All ports using tk (should) belong to a virtual category
corresponding to their version.  Eg. All the tk41 ports belong to
the category tk41.


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> All ports using tk (should) belong to a virtual category
> corresponding to their version.  Eg. All the tk41 ports belong to
> the category tk41.

I forgot to add that you are encouraged to fix any ports you use
that depend on tk41, 42, etc.  :-)


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John Fieber  writes:

> On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Mark Mayo wrote:
> 
> > as opening up some better design possibilities... I'm concerned however
> > that the use of Javascript will limit the number of people that can
> > use the site. 
> > 
> > Opinions? Is *everybody* using Netscape now, or do a significant
> > portion of people still use lynx or something without Javascript?
> 
> The hits, excluding robots, on www.freebsd.org are roughly 60%
> Netscape, 30% MSIE, 6% Lynx and a large variety filling in the
> remaining 4%.  Proportions for specific pages may vary, and all
> web server stats must be viewed skeptically; there is just so
> many ways for things to be mis-counted.
> 
> Writing javascript that is portable across versions of Netscape
> and MSIE is a pain in the butt, but if you can put up with it and
> provide a workable mechanism for people who can't or won't use
> JS, then it is fine.

MSIE4 is pretty much compatible with NS3 wrt javascript, but IE3 has
some issues.  The main problem you encounter when doing this is that
netscape3 allows you to name components (like forms), and say

	document.myform.whatever.focus()

and such, whereas with ie., you need to do
	
	document.forms[x].whatever.focus()

so if you stick to the second construct (referring to things by their
place in the document arrays) then you're mostly ok.

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Daniel O'Callaghan writes:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> > Since people are discussing what they want to see in 2.2.6,
> > I decided to repeat my old posting since it went unnoticed
> > (there were neither positive nor negative response to it)
> > 
> > /etc/crontab:
> > 
> > # do daily/weekly/monthly maintenance
> > 0       2       *       *       *       root    /etc/daily 2>&1 | sendmail root
> > 
> > This script will not work once a year, and twice a day on another day,
> 
> This is a bug in cron(8), not in crontab(5) or /etc/daily.  There is a 
> rumour that someone has patches to cron which will correct this; would 
> that person please make him/herself known so the patches can be reviewed 
> and committed.

Whether this is a bug or not is arguable... cron(8) is doing exactly what
you told it to do. Why not just change the "2" in /etc/crontab to a "3" ?

-Archie

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> > All ports using tk (should) belong to a virtual category
> > corresponding to their version.  Eg. All the tk41 ports belong to
> > the category tk41.
> 
> I forgot to add that you are encouraged to fix any ports you use
> that depend on tk41, 42, etc.  :-)

that was the reason for my third question :)
But i still want to know what should i target to -- i believe tk80...

	luigi

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Try to target the latest tk if there are any bugs with tcl/tk just report
or fix them.

	Cheers,
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   From: Luigi Rizzo 
   Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:30:14 +0100 (MET)
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   > > All ports using tk (should) belong to a virtual category
   > > corresponding to their version.  Eg. All the tk41 ports belong to
   > > the category tk41.
   > 
   > I forgot to add that you are encouraged to fix any ports you use
   > that depend on tk41, 42, etc.  :-)

   that was the reason for my third question :)
   But i still want to know what should i target to -- i believe tk80...

You should ideally have them use tcl/tk81.  I plan to start changing ports to
use tk81, I've just been really busy during this past week.

TTYL,
-Justin Seger-

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>    that was the reason for my third question :)
>    But i still want to know what should i target to -- i believe tk80...
> 
> You should ideally have them use tcl/tk81.  I plan to start changing ports to
> use tk81, I've just been really busy during this past week.

that's ok for -current, but for -stable, consider that 2.2.6 is
coming out relatively soon. it would be a shame not to complete
the change before the release and have yet another tk version to
carry...

in other words, either one first moves all tk80 ports to tk81 (which
is fine, hopefully the differences should not be too big) or it is
better to start from the smallest set among tk41 and tk42 ports
and move them to tk80 (might not be trivial... as shown by the
recent problem i was having with vat, the code might compile but
still not run as desired).

in any case the last word should go to the release engineer...

	luigi
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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Justin M. Seger wrote:

> You should ideally have them use tcl/tk81.  I plan to start changing ports to
> use tk81, I've just been really busy during this past week.

This should maybe wait until after the release of 2.2.whatever.
OTOH, if done before, it would have be able to take advantage of
the additional testing usually given to each package (in theory)
before releases.  Maybe it shouldn't.

I'm terribly indecisive today.  ;-)


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It was written that /etc/daily is run twice or not at all during DST changes.
I said it was a bug in cron(8); Archie Cobbs said it wasn't.

HP-UX seems to have it sorted out....

Can anyone suggest an algorithm for implementing the HP-UX cron(8) behavior?

Danny

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Subject: Re: crontab nit?

HP-UX man page for cron:
    Notes
      On the days of daylight savings (summer) time transition (in time
      zones and countries where daylight savings time applies), cron
      schedules commands differently than normal.

      In the following description, an ambiguous time refers to an hour and
      minute that occurs twice in the same day because of a daylight savings
      time transition (usually on a day during the Autumn season).  A non-
      existent time refers to an hour and minute that does not occur because
      of a daylight savings time transition (usually on a day during the
      Spring season).  DST-shift refers to the offset that is applied to
      standard time to result in daylight savings time.  This is normally
      one hour, but can be any combination of hours and minutes up to 23
      hours and 59 minutes (see tztab(4)).

      When a command is specified to run at an ambiguous time, the command
      is executed only once at the first occurrence of the ambiguous time.

      When a command is specified to run a non-existent time, the command is
      executed after the specified time by an amount of time equal to the
      DST-shift. When such an adjustment would conflict with another time
      specified to run the command, the command is run only once rather than
      running the command twice at the same time.

      For commands that are scheduled to run during all hours by specifying
      a * in the hour field of the crontab entry, the command is scheduled
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> It was written that /etc/daily is run twice or not at all during
> DST changes.  I said it was a bug in cron(8); Archie Cobbs said it
> wasn't.
> 
> HP-UX seems to have it sorted out....

...and computers seem to expose humans as the butchers they are.


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Daniel O'Connor wrote:
> Hi,
> It appears that I am still subscribed to hackers twice.. argh!
> 'darius@senet.com.au' and 'doconnor@gsoft.com.au' are both me, the latter is 
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    There seems to be some breakage in the header files, specifically trying
to compile trafshow i get this:

# make
>> Checksum OK for trafshow-2.0.tgz.
===>  Extracting for trafshow-2.0
===>  Patching for trafshow-2.0
===>  Applying FreeBSD patches for trafshow-2.0
===>  Configuring for trafshow-2.0
===>  Building for trafshow-2.0
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c addrtoname.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c bpf.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c bpf_dump.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c bpf_filter.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c bpf_image.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c etherent.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c gencode.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c inet.c
cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c interfaces.c
In file included from interfaces.c:26:
/usr/include/net/if_slvar.h:69: field `sc_comp' has incomplete type
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
#

ok, so i do a bit of looking around (like i'm supposed to i guess) and find
out that all i have to do is add  to the list of includes.
after doing that:

cc -O2 -I../include -DETHER_SERVICE -c interfaces.c
In file included from interfaces.c:26:
/usr/include/net/slcompress.h:124: `MLEN' undeclared here (not in a
function)
/usr/include/net/slcompress.h:125: field `csu_ip' has incomplete type

so i'm like... "hmmmmm, ok.." then i go into slcompress.h and find out this
wierdness:
#define MAX_HDR MLEN            /* XXX 4bsd-ism: should really be 128 */

then later on:
struct cstate {
        struct cstate *cs_next; /* next most recently used cstate (xmit
only) */
        u_int16_t cs_hlen;      /* size of hdr (receive only) */
        u_char cs_id;           /* connection # associated with this state
*/
        u_char cs_filler;
        union {
                char csu_hdr[MAX_HDR];
                struct ip csu_ip;       /* ip/tcp hdr from most recent
packet */
        } slcs_u;
};

what is going on here?

also as far as the second error after including :
/usr/include/net/slcompress.h:125: field `csu_ip' has incomplete type

what's with that?  i couldn't find a struct ip.

-Alfred






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> It was written that /etc/daily is run twice or not at all during DST changes.
> I said it was a bug in cron(8); Archie Cobbs said it wasn't.
> Can anyone suggest an algorithm for implementing the HP-UX cron(8) behavior?
move /etc/daily away from 2am.

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Kapil Chowksey wrote:

> On Sat, 21 February, freebsd@isvara.net wrote:
>
> > > fbsdboot.exe (/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/dosboot/*)
> >
> > Yeah, great. Now I've build a nice slick boot menu with FreeBSD and Win95, etc
> > on. This allows me to run my Cyrix optimizer before I boot FreeBSD - great!
>
> This `cyrix optimizer' catches my curiosity. If what it does is
> documented, or better yet, if you have its source available; I would
> suggest you to integrate its optimizations into the FreeBSD kernel. If
> I had a cyrix CPU, I would do it.

I have the register layouts and optimal values from '6x86opt' by Mikael Johannson.

I'll se what I can do.

Cheers,
    Dan

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On 21-Feb-98 Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> well, i am trying to compile some of the latest ports and it's quite
> a mess since some use tk4.1, some tk4.2, some tk 8.0 ...
> 
> I already hated tk for its abundant runtime errors (reminds me of when i
> used to run basic programs and there was no compiler... circa 1981...)
> and this need of having 3 or more versions of tk installed makes me
> hate it even more (plus, i think manpages for all these version will
> overwrite each other...)

I used pkg_add in master and slave moe to stuff the manpages in different trees.
They really should not overwrite each other.

> 
> So my questions are:
> 
> 1) is there any hope to settle on some "standard" version of tk/tcl
>    and try to have most ports use that one; 

A lot of Tk/Tcl code is still not compatible with Tcl8.0, and some isn't
even ready for Tcl7.6 yet.
 
> 2) could we flag ports which do not use the "standard" version of
>    tk/tcl so that one needs to do
> 
>       make YES_I_REALLY_WANT_THIS_BLOAT
> 
>    to compile them ... maybe this would help some volunteer to fix the
>    port.

I thought FreeBSD removed Tcl from its base tree, so we don't have a
"standard" version.

> 
> 3) is there a simple way to list all ports which depend on a given
>    package (e.g. tk4.1, tk4.2 etc...) again to have an idea of what to
>    fix.

?

Duncan

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote:

> It was written that /etc/daily is run twice or not at all during DST changes.
> I said it was a bug in cron(8); Archie Cobbs said it wasn't.

Ahhhh, the joys of living in a place that doesn't observe DST.  I
can just blissfully ignore these sorts of glitches.  :)

-john


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On 21-Feb-98 Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> 3) is there a simple way to list all ports which depend on a given
>    package (e.g. tk4.1, tk4.2 etc...) again to have an idea of what to
>    fix.

awk -F'|' '$9 ~ /tk-4/ {print $2}' INDEX

  Bill

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On Sat, 21 February 1998 at 23:38:57 -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
>>> Could you chain these headers off the private fields at the end of the
>>> buf structure, or is the feature set there too small?
>>
>> Hmmm.  Sometimes it pays to RTFM.  No, wait, there is no FM.  OK, RTFS
>> then.
>
> 8/
>
>>> (NB. the wfd driver already uses one of these, it not being terribly
>>> clear to me at the time who they were really for use by.)
>>
>> Well, they're used in scsi_ioctl.c and wfd.c, and that's the only
>> place I've been able to find them.  But it's a good idea, and it might
>> be the way to save the ccd driver if that's what's eating it.
>
> The reason I asked is that if you depend on the extra state that you use
> being preserved despite you passing the bufs out to other drivers, it
> might pay to impose some sort of policy on which of the fields are
> available for what usage.
>
> Of course, if vinum is at the top of the food chain and only uses the
> private data internally, then you win.

Good point.  It passes them on to a disk driver.  Theoretically, I
suppose, that could be wfd, though I can't think who'd want to use it
that way.

Yes, you're right.  We need to think about this more carefully.  I'm
following up to -hackers, where maybe this discussion should have been
all along.  To summarize for those who haven't seen this before:

  Julian Elischer has provided some patches to -CURRENT for Kirk
  McKusick's soft updates.  We''re currently testing them, and have
  found a few bugs which Julian's looking at.

  One of these bugs concerns CCD, which crashes.  Kirk has expressed
  an opinion that the buffer headers aren't initialized correctly.
  He's out of town (whatever that may mean) for a week, so we may not
  find out until then.

  In the meantime, I commented on the fact that ccd and my new volume
  driver, vinum, both use extended buf structures which aren't
  allocated in the normal way, and that maybe this is the problem.

  Mike then suggested (above) that the extensions could be chained off
  the pointers b_driver1 and b_driver2, both claimed to be "for
  private use by the driver".  This is where we get to the top of this
  message.

Mike, back to the discussion of policy.  vinum needs some way to
associate the buffer returned to the b_iodone function with its
internal requests.  CCD does this by including the buffer header in
the internal request.  The obvious alternative is to use one of
b_driver[12] to point to the other information.  The trouble is that
scsi_strategy seems to use both of them.  Consider a few
possibilities:

1.  Dodge around the usage.  It seems to be related to ioctls, which
    are (so far :-) never issued by vinum.

2.  Modify the SCSI code to only use one of these pointers.

3.  Add additional pointers.  With a current length of 292 bytes,
    another pointer or two might not make a big difference.

Greg


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